Right Wing Blogs in Massive Fail Mode Again

Or, the lamentations of the wingnuts
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How embarrassing for the entire right wing blogosphere.

They worked so very hard to spin the Virginia uterus inspection bill, even denying that trans-vaginal ultrasounds were mandated at all. A few examples from the wingnut echo chamber:

Ed Schultz Falsely States Transvaginal Ultrasounds Are Mandated in VA Law - Big Journalism
Weasel Zippers » Blog Archive » Study: 99% Of Abortion Clinics Perform Ultrasounds Prior To Performing An Abortion…
The Left’s outrageous outrage at a proposal to require ultrasounds before abortion « Hot Air
Dahlia Lithwick Hates Medical Research | RedState
Dahlia Lithwick’s Sonogram Lie Implodes | RedState

And then, Gov. Bob McDonnell goes and blows their whole flimsy boat of rationalizations right out of the water by backing down and amending the bill to exclude invasive ultrasounds.

How very, very embarrassing. If they were capable of embarrassment, that is.

Here’s a pre-debate thread to savor the lamentations of the wingnuts.

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299 comments
1 samuraishake  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:53:07pm

The word "again" should be added to the article's title about 8 more times

2 Tigger2005  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:53:15pm

I like the bills Democrats are offering in response, such as banning vasectomies for men. They should push them hard. Ban condoms too.

3 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:53:15pm

They'll just have to console themselves with the fact that the bill will still get through with the slut-shaming now simply "optional."

4 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:54:38pm

But they left everything else in the bill unchanged. Win/Win for the theocrats.

5 aagcobb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:54:40pm

McDonnell struck himself from the VP short list, but is viable for a presidential bid in '16.

6 Major Tom  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:56:32pm

Lori Ziganto (who?) actually likes Mark Steyn. Says so in her twitter profile... Before today I thought the only person who liked Mark Steyn was Mark Steyn... The world is not brighter today.

7 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:56:35pm

re: #5 Newtsingstheblues

McDonnell struck himself from the VP short list, but is viable for a presidential bid in '16.

No, he'd have been out of the running if he'd simply refused to pass the bill totally. Instead, he's just allowed the Republicans to put a fig leaf on it by saying that it's now "optional," letting them claim that the outrage is now moot and the bill should move forward.

8 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:58:07pm

re: #2 Tigger2005

I like the bills Democrats are offering in response, such as banning vasectomies for men. They should push them hard. Ban condoms too.

I think it's Viagra that should be banned. As others have noted, those who think any conception is God's will shouldn't question God's will in preventing it -- whatever the method.

9 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 2:59:55pm

The question that Rick Santorum needs to be asked:

"You've repeatedly stated you would vigorously attack the enemies of the United States. You've also stated you believe the United States is being attacked by Satan. Could you please clarify and expand on those statements?"

10 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:00:39pm

The onion, but probably sounds like a good idea to these whackjobs:


New Law Requires Women To Name Baby, Paint Nursery Before Getting Abortion

11 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:01:02pm

re: #9 Kragar

The question that Rick Santorum needs to be asked:

"You've repeatedly stated you would vigorously attack the enemies of the United States. You've also stated you believe the United States is being attacked by Satan. Could you please clarify and expand on those statements?"

Oh, I can think of a thousand questions that should be asked of these four half-wits.

But I figure what we'll get is retreads from debates past, chock full of "Obama Bad, We're Not Obama" logic.

12 dragonfire1981  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:02:05pm

Since it's in Arizona, I'm expecting the crazy to be out in full force tonight.

13 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:02:28pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

Oh, I can think of a thousand questions that should be asked of these four half-wits.

But I figure what we'll get is retreads from debates past, chock full of "Obama Bad, We're Not Obama" logic.

"This one is for all the candidates... Please explain why you're such a dick..."

14 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:04:01pm

I'm curious as to whether they'll choose to help Santorum and Newt by asking pointed questions they can use to bludgeon Willard or if they'll attempt to buoy his campaign by lobbing him softballs.

15 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:04:34pm

re: #9 Kragar

The question that Rick Santorum needs to be asked:

"You've repeatedly stated you would vigorously attack the enemies of the United States. You've also stated you believe the United States is being attacked by Satan. Could you please clarify and expand on those statements?"

Holy Water Buffalo.

BRING IT, SATAN

16 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:08:24pm

District Judge holds DOMA unconstitutional

[Link: www.towleroad.com...]

17 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:09:27pm

Congressional offices receive threatening letters, suspicious powder found not harmful so far

Some congressional offices outside Washington and media organizations have received threatening letters containing a suspicious powdery substance that was tested and proved to be harmless, the FBI and the Senate’s top law enforcement officer said Wednesday.

18 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:10:02pm

re: #16 SpaceJesus

It's always strange to read that this or that law that is deemed bigoted and should be phased out was signed by Clinton. Times have changed so fast.

19 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:10:21pm

re: #16 SpaceJesus

District Judge holds DOMA unconstitutional

[Link: www.towleroad.com...]

The wingnuts have a prepared response...

Youtube Video
20 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:10:40pm

re: #9 Kragar

The question that Rick Santorum needs to be asked:

"You've repeatedly stated you would vigorously attack the enemies of the United States. You've also stated you believe the United States is being attacked by Satan. Could you please clarify and expand on those statements?"

As Stephen Colbert pointed out its simply a matter of taking our nuclear missiles, flipping them upside down, then firing them, end of problem!

21 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:12:20pm

re: #18 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

clinton wasn't very liberal.

22 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:12:34pm

re: #16 SpaceJesus

Excellent news.

23 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:14:01pm

decision here:

[Link: lambdalegal.org...]

24 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:16:26pm
Here’s a pre-debate thread to savor the lamentations of the wingnuts.

mmm.. Wingnut lament. So very satisfying.

25 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:17:08pm

re: #24 Amory Blaine

mmm.. Wingnut lament. So very satisfying.

Don't forget to take their women.

26 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:19:44pm

I didn't know there was a debate tonight. I thought it was next week in Michigan.

27 The Left  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:20:22pm

re: #24 Amory Blaine

mmm.. Wingnut lament. So very satisfying.

Wingnut laments taste like candy and rainbows!

28 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:21:10pm

House GOP Vote Against Keeping Keystone XL Oil In America

Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA) offered an amendment to the bill during the Feb. 15 vote, giving the House a chance to “ensure that if the Keystone XL pipeline is built, the oil that it transports to the Gulf of Mexico and the fuels made from that oil remain in this country to benefit Americans.” But the amendment failed 173-254.

Not surprisingly, the 254 members who voted against the amendment have collected seven times more total campaign cash from oil and gas interests. The 254 members (230 Republicans) took in $37.3 million in career campaign contributions from oil and gas companies and executives.

On average, each member who voted against banning exports collected $146,808 from the oil and gas industry. This is contrasted with the $5.2 million total for the 173 in favor (9 Republicans) of the export ban – or an average of $29,951. In other words, legislators who want to export refined gasoline and diesel from oil sands received five times more oil money than the legislators who want to keep these fuels here.

29 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:24:51pm

re: #25 SH1T My Conscience Says

Don't forget to take their women.

I've seen and heard their women.

30 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:25:52pm

re: #28 Kragar

House GOP Vote Against Keeping Keystone XL Oil In America

Surprise, surprise.

Today's TPGOP: Bought and paid for.

31 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:26:14pm

re: #28 Kragar

Heh. Of course not. The purpose of the Keystone pipeline isn't to benefit America, or Canada, but corporations.

32 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:28:09pm

re: #28 Kragar

link broke

33 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:28:32pm

re: #28 Kragar

House GOP Vote Against Keeping Keystone XL Oil In America

That's because Keystone XL isn't for our benefit, it's for TransCanada's. The pipeline is due to the inconvenience of 11 states being between them and the refineries they want to export out of to the rest of the globe.

34 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:29:27pm

re: #32 SpaceJesus

link broke

Working here

35 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:30:49pm

re: #32 SpaceJesus

link broke

Works for me.

36 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:32:49pm

Seriously, there's already a Keystone pipeline in the North that's pumping oil...and the fucker leaks like a sieve. TransCanada's response? That the fact that they've found and plugged 14 different leaks is "proof" of just how "successful" their leak-finding ability has gotten.

37 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:33:56pm

What's dumber than bringing a gun into Manhattan? Taking it into your court appearance.
Occupy Wall Street Marcher Brought Gun to Courthouse

An Occupy Wall Street protester was arrested for trying to bring a Colt .45 handgun and five rounds of ammunition through security at Manhattan Criminal Court Wednesday, sources said.
Court officers collared John Scott Dekuyper, 52, at 100 Centre Street, at 9 a.m. and charged him with criminal possession of a weapon.

Sources said that Dekuyper, of Delaware, had gone to the wrong courthouse for an appearance in his grand larceny, resisting arrest and government obstruction case stemming from an Oct. 15 protest march in Times Square.

But it's ok because he's a leftist.

38 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:35:16pm

re: #21 SpaceJesus

clinton wasn't very liberal.

But I thought he was a Communist. Or at least I read that at freerepublic.

39 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:35:54pm

re: #37 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

But it's ok because he's a leftist.

Why do you think it's ok because he's a leftist? Do you have double standards?

40 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:36:14pm

re: #37 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Who's saying it's okay?

41 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:36:32pm

re: #37 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

What's dumber than bringing a gun into Manhattan? Taking it into your court appearance.
Occupy Wall Street Marcher Brought Gun to Courthouse

But it's ok because he's a leftist.

Says who?

42 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:36:59pm

My kingdom for a killfile.

43 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:37:41pm

re: #37 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

What's dumber than bringing a gun into Manhattan? Taking it into your court appearance.
Occupy Wall Street Marcher Brought Gun to Courthouse

But it's ok because he's a leftist.

Come off it, KT, because we get it that you don't care for or like Occupy or any ideas or people associated with it, because you've been like a broken record about it since day one.

Anyways, about this winner that you're posting about, it does go to show that you can't cure stupid.

44 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:38:13pm

re: #37 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

What's dumber than bringing a gun into Manhattan? Taking it into your court appearance.
Occupy Wall Street Marcher Brought Gun to Courthouse

But it's ok because he's a leftist.

A Second Amendment leftist, apparently.

45 [deleted]  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:38:49pm
46 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:39:23pm

Sorry to go OT so soon, but the 'splodey heads should be gearing up again soon:

47 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:39:30pm

Oh geez.

48 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:39:33pm

re: #38 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

But I thought he was a Communist. Or at least I read that at freerepublic.

I think he's a liberal at heart. Obama is too. I think a lot of the confusion about unrelated baggage that goes along with labels. Being a pacifist, hating Israel or capitalism isn't really very liberal but it's often used as a litmus test. Conservatism doesn't really have anything to do with denying climate change or evolution either.

49 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:39:44pm

re: #42 erik_t

My kingdom for a killfile.

Wow, prescient.

50 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:41:15pm

Alright, fess up, who forgot to take out the trash?

51 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:41:39pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer

Yeah, really dumb of those GOPer's to try to minimize the practice of abortion however they can.

They're not. For example, they opposed contraception coverage. you heard about that, right?

Deadly sad, and morbidly shocking,

How sad or shocking do you find the prospect of 30 million or so more babies that were unwanted, coming at a time their mother wasn't capable of caring for them? Do you have any thoughts or pity for the suffering of living children?

52 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:42:09pm

re: #44 Decatur Deb

A Second Amendment leftist, apparently.

It says he's from Delaware. Do they have some really liberal (sorry) gun laws there? Was he really unaware that you can't bring a gun into Manhattan? I don't think you're even allowed to have it in a lockbox in your trunk much less carry it into court.

53 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:42:28pm

re: #48 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

I think he's a liberal at heart. Obama is too. I think a lot of the confusion about unrelated baggage that goes along with labels. Being a pacifist, hating Israel or capitalism isn't really very liberal but it's often used as a litmus test. Conservatism doesn't really have anything to do with denying climate change or evolution either.

So why do you use labels so much, if you think they're so confusing? They're like one of your favorite things in the world.

54 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:42:48pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer

Anger for what? People exercise their reproductive rights, voluntarily. That's all there is to it.

55 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:44:07pm

re: #53 Obdicut

So why do you use labels so much, if you think they're so confusing?

I don't think they're confusing at all.

56 allegro  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:45:09pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer

Well aren't you just the little freedom fighter and defender of African Americans everywhere. Don't worry about those women who cannot afford birth control or to raise a child. Don't worry about the women who would desperately love to get an education to get better paying jobs but they can't afford the time or money because of the children they have to raise and educate, hoping that they have a better life. Let's just keep all women pregnant and barefoot, shall we?

57 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:46:08pm

re: #52 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

It says he's from Delaware. Do they have some really liberal (sorry) gun laws there? Was he really unaware that you can't bring a gun into Manhattan? I don't think you're even allowed to have it in a lockbox in your trunk much less carry it into court.

Dunno. The "five rounds" of .45 is weird. Never enough to stop an Upper West Side rat.

58 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:46:09pm

re: #52 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Because he's the first moron in the history of ever to bring a gun to courthouse. I mean, that's never happened before.

Oh, wait. This just happened yesterday:

Hillsborough courthouse shut down twice over guns

59 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:47:53pm

Here's the thing. This guy with the gun is a moron. I don't care if he's a leftist or anyone else. This snark basically says "y'all hypocrites here, ta ta!".

60 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:48:01pm

re: #55 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

I don't think they're confusing at all.

Really? What did you mean by this?

. I think a lot of the confusion about unrelated baggage that goes along with labels.

And you really don't think labels are confusing? "liberal" has some sort of firm definition? Or 'lefty'? I mean, I've seen you use 'lefty' to mean everything from a total anarchist to a general Democratic voter. Obviously, that's confusing, no?

61 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:49:08pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Dunno. The "five rounds" of .45 is weird. Never enough to stop an Upper West Side rat.

Nuke'em from orbit, just to be sure?

//

62 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:49:14pm

Right wing terrorism!
Lawmakers receive threatening letters

A handful of lawmakers have received threatening letters in the last few days with an unidentified white powdery substance and more may be on the way, law enforcement officials told CBS News Wednesday.

At least one lawmaker from Wisconsin and a senator from Indiana have received the letters at their district offices, with more expected to receive additional letters, the officials said.
....
"Although all letters received thus far have proved harmless, it is essential that we treat every piece of suspicious mail as if it may, in fact, be harmful," Gainer wrote in his memo to the Senate community.

The letters make vague complaints about too much money in politics and had a Portland, Oregon return address from an organization listed as "The MIB, LLC," a law enforcement official told CBS News.

63 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:49:23pm

re: #45 BrainSurfer
10 posts in almost five years and all you can do is to try to flog the old "Sanger was a racist eugenist" chestnut?

If you're a sock for one of the Banned, you're nothing but weak sauce.

64 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:49:50pm

Seems we have 2 NJDHockeyfans now.

65 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:50:48pm

He be hatin', I be scrollin'.

66 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:51:43pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Nuke'em from orbit, just to be sure?

//

Watched the Macy's fireworks on Riverside Drive with a couple--

She: "Does that cocker spaniel have a collar?"
He: "Honey, that's a rat."

67 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:51:58pm

re: #62 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Maybe. Or maybe 'left-wing'. Anti-corporatist, anti-government-- could go either way.

68 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:52:17pm

re: #35 Obdicut

man, i have a hard time with lgf links for some reason

69 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:52:26pm

re: #65 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

He be hatin', I be scrollin'.

Scroll, scroll, scroll your mouse
Gently down the screen.
Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
Life is but a dream.

70 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:52:27pm

re: #66 Decatur Deb

Watched the Macy's fireworks on Riverside Drive with a couple--

She: "Does that cocker spaniel have a collar?"
He: "Honey, that's a rat."

Well, considering the roaches up there, you gotta have some mean-ass rats in order to compete on fair terms.

71 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:53:18pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

Well, considering the roaches up there, you gotta have some mean-ass rats in order to compete on fair terms.

Radroaches.

72 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:53:36pm

re: #71 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Radroaches.

*shudders*

73 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:53:53pm

re: #62 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Right wing terrorism!
Lawmakers receive threatening letters

Public service snark translation: every lefty moron here will tout this as an obvious case of right-wing terrorism without waiting for details. Also, I'm so damn funny!

74 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:54:57pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

*shudders*

Image: 3404376887_b51f67acc6_z.jpg

75 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:55:31pm

re: #74 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Image: 3404376887_b51f67acc6_z.jpg

*Sideshow Bob rake sound*

76 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:55:43pm

re: #73 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

Public service snark translation: every lefty moron here will tout this as an obvious case of right-wing terrorism without waiting for details. Also, I'm so damn funny!

"Too much money" could be a leftist. Or a Franciscan.

77 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:56:02pm

Evening Lizardim. I guess the wingnut tears must've been flowing freely; they energized me through a long day of meetings. Ahhh, wingnut tears, they're like a drug to my refined librul senses.

78 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:56:30pm

re: #75 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

*Sideshow Bob rake sound*

Youtube Video
79 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:57:32pm

re: #51 Obdicut

China's Mao is considered a inhuman monster for killing some 35 million of his countrymen. There have been 55 million abortions over the the past 45 years in the US.

That' 55 million kids who never had the chance to grow up. If you had the ability to give each of them a choice - be put out of your misery to avoid a life of hell (maybe, maybe not), or, be given the chance to make what you can of your life, I would be each and every one of them would opt for a chance to experience life.

80 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:58:01pm

re: #28 Kragar

I haven't done a lot of research into this, but Utah has 5 refineries that could probably handle this oil. I suspect there are States closer to the Canadian border than Texas that also have refineries as well. But then again, they don't have access to blue water ports to ship the refined product over seas where the money is. And that is the crux of the matter.

81 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:58:07pm

re: #74 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Image: 3404376887_b51f67acc6_z.jpg

Solution!

82 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:58:47pm

re: #79 BrainSurfer

Mother Teresa, you ain't.

83 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:58:52pm

re: #79 BrainSurfer

Obvious talking point drone is obvious.

84 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:58:54pm

re: #79 BrainSurfer

China's Mao is considered a inhuman monster for killing some 35 million of his countrymen. There have been 55 million abortions over the the past 45 years in the US.

That' 55 million kids who never had the chance to grow up. If you had the ability to give each of them a choice - be put out of your misery to avoid a life of hell (maybe, maybe not), or, be given the chance to make what you can of your life, I would be each and every one of them would opt for a chance to experience life.

Except you can't compare embryos and fetuses to babies, kids and adult persons.

85 Digital Display  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:59:11pm

Dana: Defend your policy position for this State law..

86 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:59:33pm

re: #79 BrainSurfer

Every sperm is sacred.

87 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:59:46pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

Got that right.

88 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 3:59:48pm

re: #84 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

Don't bother. They're clearly just cutting and pasting talking points.

89 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:00:15pm

re: #86 Amory Blaine

Every sperm is sacred.

Youtube Video
90 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:01:17pm

We should all be so lucky:

Tonight’s High-Stakes GOP Debate Could Also Be The Last

Wednesday night, the four remaining GOP presidential candidates gather in Mesa, Arizona for the 20th and what is possibly the last GOP debate.

It wasn’t meant to be this way. Originally, CNN had another debate scheduled for early March before Super Tuesday. But Mitt Romney backed out, quickly followed by Ron Paul, resulting in the debate’s cancellation. It’s completely unclear just how many contenders will be left after Super Tuesday, and whether Mitt Romney will have any incentive to continue to show up at debates.

91 allegro  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:01:38pm

re: #79 BrainSurfer

Can you get pregnant? No? Then STFU.

92 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:02:01pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

Got that right! Just don't care for hypocrites.

93 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:02:05pm

re: #90 Lidane

We should all be so lucky:

Tonight’s High-Stakes GOP Debate Could Also Be The Last

They're just not the same without Michele and Herman.

94 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:02:58pm

re: #92 BrainSurfer

Got that right! Just don't care for hypocrites.

Third time is a charm.

95 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:03:28pm

re: #90 Lidane

We should all be so lucky:

Tonight’s High-Stakes GOP Debate Could Also Be The Last

It’s completely unclear just how many contenders will be left after Super Tuesday, and whether Mitt Romney will have any incentive to continue to show up at debates.

Debates don't really seem to be helping his campaign much, or at least not as much as SuperPACs carpet bombing the airwaves has.

96 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:03:32pm

re: #79 BrainSurfer

China's Mao is considered a inhuman monster for killing some 35 million of his countrymen. There have been 55 million abortions over the the past 45 years in the US.

Yes. Abortions of fetuses that aren't sentient.

That' 55 million kids who never had the chance to grow up.

So are all the eggs that a woman ejects every time she menstruates. All you'd have to do is put some sperm in there with them, and they'd develop into a kid too.

If you had the ability to give each of them a choice

You can't give non-existent beings a choice.

- be put out of your misery to avoid a life of hell (maybe, maybe not), or, be given the chance to make what you can of your life, I would be each and every one of them would opt for a chance to experience life.

How do you manage to think about beings that don't exist?

I find it difficult.

97 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:03:35pm

re: #91 allegro

And a pleasant day to you, too, allegro.

98 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:03:55pm

Actual headline:

Chris Christie: Rick Santorum’s Satan Comments Are Relevant

99 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:04:11pm

re: #92 BrainSurfer

Got that right! Just don't care for hypocrites.

Hypocrites like Republicans, who claim to be "pro-life," but support capital punishment?

100 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:04:32pm

re: #67 Obdicut

Maybe. Or maybe 'left-wing'. Anti-corporatist, anti-government-- could go either way.

From the article...

The author wanted an end to corporate money and lobbying, an end to "corporate personhood," and called for a new constitutional convention to rewrite the constitution.

Probably an OWS supporter.

101 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:04:36pm

re: #97 BrainSurfer

Do you spend any time regretting the children that don't exist because you're not impregnating a woman every chance you get?

102 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:04:47pm

re: #98 Lidane

Actual headline:

Chris Christie: Rick Santorum’s Satan Comments Are Relevant

Well, they are. It shows that Santorum is a raving fucking loon. That's quite relevant.

103 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:05:05pm

re: #79 BrainSurfer

China's Mao is considered a inhuman monster for killing some 35 million of his countrymen. There have been 55 million abortions over the the past 45 years in the US.

That' 55 million kids who never had the chance to grow up. If you had the ability to give each of them a choice - be put out of your misery to avoid a life of hell (maybe, maybe not), or, be given the chance to make what you can of your life, I would be each and every one of them would opt for a chance to experience life.

You're right, they probably would. And their mothers, if they had to choose between a life of poverty and single-motherhood that would, more likely than not, kill one or both of them, or aborting their child and living to have more someday in the future - well, I think that choice is fairly obvious, but probably not to you.

104 allegro  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:05:22pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Hypocrites like Republicans, who claim to be "pro-life," but support capital punishment?

And who claim to be all for the poor aborted babies but try to put birth control out of reach and close down the only source of health care for many women.

105 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:05:59pm

re: #100 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Maybe. I want all of those things too, except for the constitutional convention. The main difference is that I'm not mailing anthrax out to people.

I'm at a loss as to what your point is here. You seem to think people are excusing the dude who brought the gun into the courtroom on the grounds that he's a leftist. Can you point anyone out who's doing that, or did you just pull that out of nowhere?

106 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:08:17pm

re: #105 Obdicut

Maybe. I want all of those things too, except for the constitutional convention. The main difference is that I'm not mailing anthrax out to people.

I'm at a loss as to what your point is here. You seem to think people are excusing the dude who brought the gun into the courtroom on the grounds that he's a leftist. Can you point anyone out who's doing that, or did you just pull that out of nowhere?

KT has there a list of 205 - a list of names that were made known to Charles Johnson as being sympathizers of Occupy Wall Street and who nevertheless are still commenting and shaping discussion at Little Green Footballs.

107 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:08:45pm

A dictator murdering people is not the same as families planning and looking out for their own future.

108 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:09:08pm

Yes, every sperm truly is sacred. Which is why we must take the logical next step...and ban men from masturbating. After all, we know it is a sin in the eyes of God to waste such precious lives. And then there's that whole business about killing kittens...

///^nth

109 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:09:11pm

re: #100 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

From the article...

Probably an OWS supporter.

Constitutional conventions to rewrite the constitution are a fetish of the right, not the left.

Most likely this person is a confused mishmash of stupid ideas that look both "left" and "right" at the same time. Probably a Ron Paul supporter!

No proof of OWS apart from your own irrational biases.

110 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:09:44pm

re: #106 erik_t

KT has there a list of 205 - a list of names that were made known to Charles Johnson as being sympathizers of Occupy Wall Streer and who nevertheless are still commenting and shaping discussion at Little Green Footballs.

At long last, si... wait, too early.

111 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:10:32pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

Yes, every sperm truly is sacred. Which is why we must take the logical next step...and ban men from masturbating. After all, we know it is a sin in the eyes of God to waste such precious lives. And then there's that whole business about killing kittens...

///^nth

Well, you DO know that most far-right-wing conservative Christians believe masturbating is a sin...

112 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:11:41pm

re: #111 thedopefishlives

Welp, better shut down the internet. Nice knowing y'all.

113 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:11:42pm

re: #79 BrainSurfer

Troll.

114 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:12:39pm

re: #110 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

At long last, si... wait, too early.

As as leftie from Wisconsin, I regret that I only have on up-ding to give for that post.

115 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:12:54pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

Yes, every sperm truly is sacred. Which is why we must take the logical next step...and ban men from masturbating. After all, we know it is a sin in the eyes of God to waste such precious lives. And then there's that whole business about killing kittens...

///^nth

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

116 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:13:27pm

re: #111 thedopefishlives

Well, you DO know that most far-right-wing conservative Christians believe masturbating is a sin...

There's an app for that..

Image: ceinture-anti-masturbation.jpg

117 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:13:29pm

Helpful tip #43:

Every time you feel the urge to squeeze the weasel, snap it with a rubber band.

118 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:15:26pm

Not much coverage of the letters to the senators but searching google news for "White Powder" yields a lot of entertaining reading.

119 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:16:24pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

Solution!

Actually...
Miss Yukari is afraid of roaches..
:P

120 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:16:29pm

re: #117 Amory Blaine

Helpful tip #43:

Every time you feel the urge to squeeze the weasel, snap it with a rubber band.

Yeah, but have you ever snapped a weasel with a rubber band? They get a little pissed when you do that.

121 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:16:53pm

re: #119 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Actually...
Miss Yukari is afraid of roaches..
:P

You watch too much anime. I'm just sayin'.//

122 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:17:39pm

Brainsurfer, where art thou?

123 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:19:00pm

re: #121 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

You watch too much anime. I'm just sayin'.//

Manga.
Then it was an anime.
:P

124 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:19:23pm

re: #123 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Manga.
Then it was an anime.
:P

My point exactly. e_e

/

125 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:19:40pm

re: #123 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Manga.
Then it was an anime.
:P

Anime: Crack is cheaper.

126 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:20:07pm

re: #124 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

My point exactly. e_e

/

It's pretty funny.

127 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:20:29pm

re: #122 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

Brainsurfer, where art thou?

I think I struck him dumb with horror when he realized every moment he's not out conceiving children he's denying those potential babies their only chance at existence, and has probably rushed out to constantly impregnate women for the rest of time.

128 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:20:58pm

re: #127 Obdicut

I think I struck him dumb with horror when he realized every moment he's not out conceiving children he's denying those potential babies their only chance at existence, and has probably rushed out to constantly impregnate women for the rest of time.

I think he was struck dumb already.

129 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:21:25pm

Some people get to have all the fun...

130 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:21:57pm

re: #127 Obdicut

I think I struck him dumb with horror when he realized every moment he's not out conceiving children he's denying those potential babies their only chance at existence, and has probably rushed out to constantly impregnate women for the rest of time.

You've created a monster...

131 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:23:01pm

Is there some official gradation of sins?

Masturbation is a sin.

Contraception is a sin.

Abortion is a sin.

Lusting after your neighbor's wife is a sin.

Now, I would say that depending on what stage of the pregnancy, an abortion has, perhaps, varying degrees of moral implications - but many Christians don't make such a distinction and oppose abortion merely because they believe that the bible, as the word of god, says it is a sin.

But they also believe that masturbating is a sin as stated by god him/herself in the bible.

So if playboy magazine has lead to at least 65 million incidents of masturbation, should Hugh Hefner be compared to Mao?

132 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:23:15pm

carlaschluge is a coward.

133 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:23:59pm

re: #131 Talking Point Detective

Is there some official gradation of sins?

Masturbation is a sin.

Contraception is a sin.

Abortion is a sin.

Lusting after your neighbor's wife is a sin.

Now, I would say that depending on what stage of the pregnancy, an abortion has, perhaps, varying degrees of moral implications - but many Christians don't make such a distinction and oppose abortion merely because they believe that the bible, as the word of god, says it is a sin.

But they also believe that masturbating is a sin as stated by god him/herself in the bible.

So if playboy magazine has lead to at least 65 million incidents of masturbation, should Hugh Hefner be compared to Mao?

I wouldn't be surprised if someone had already made that comparison.

134 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:24:14pm

OK people. I'm definitely not feeling any love. Educate me. Is anyone really happy here when they hear some one has had an abortion?

Someone, that is, other than the folks at Planned Parenthood who would view abortion as a revenue generator - all part of their business plan - and which makes perfect sense from a business perspective.

135 Digital Display  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:24:20pm

Man..I miss the GOP debates! This should be really good tonight...
And here he is! The man you know as the Mr. Smith of Lost in Space...
RooOON PAUL!
The King of Michigan! The Protector of Boston! The Blood of Utah!
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Give it up for Newt!
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136 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:24:31pm

re: #131 Talking Point Detective

But they also believe that masturbating is a sin as stated by god him/herself in the bible.

I don't believe it is stated anywhere.

The only related commandment is not to lust after a woman in your mind, or something like that.

137 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:24:35pm

re: #130 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

You've created a monster...

Giggity.

//

138 allegro  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:24:49pm

re: #131 Talking Point Detective

Is there some official gradation of sins?

Masturbation is a sin.

Contraception is a sin.

Abortion is a sin.

Lusting after your neighbor's wife is a sin.

Now, I would say that depending on what stage of the pregnancy, an abortion has, perhaps, varying degrees of moral implications - but many Christians don't make such a distinction and oppose abortion merely because they believe that the bible, as the word of god, says it is a sin.

But they also believe that masturbating is a sin as stated by god him/herself in the bible.

So if playboy magazine has lead to at least 65 million incidents of masturbation, should Hugh Hefner be compared to Mao?

Where in the bible does it say anything about abortion? As far as I know, there is no such thing anywhere in the book.

139 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:25:15pm

re: #134 BrainSurfer

OK people. I'm definitely not feeling any love. Educate me. Is anyone really happy here when they hear some one has had an abortion?

Someone, that is, other than the folks at Planned Parenthood who would view abortion as a revenue generator - all part of their business plan - and which makes perfect sense from a business perspective.

No, the less abortions the better, but not through prohibitions, rather through elevation of the quality of life.

140 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:25:56pm

re: #134 BrainSurfer

OK people. I'm definitely not feeling any love. Educate me. Is anyone really happy here when they hear some one has had an abortion?

Conditional yes. Next question.

141 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:26:14pm

re: #134 BrainSurfer

OK people. I'm definitely not feeling any love.

Good.

142 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:26:26pm

re: #136 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

I don't believe it is stated anywhere.

The only related commandment is not to lust after a woman in your mind, or something like that.

OK, so then should Angelina Jolie be compared to Mao?

143 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:26:40pm

The Weasel

144 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:26:57pm

re: #142 Talking Point Detective

OK, so then should Angelina Jolie be compared to Mao?

Ask BrainSurfer, he's the master debater here.

145 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:27:02pm

re: #134 BrainSurfer

OK people. I'm definitely not feeling any love. Educate me. Is anyone really happy here when they hear some one has had an abortion?

I'm pitching a series of "Happy Abortion" greeting cards to Hallmark. They didn't like my first samples but I think they'll warm up the the idea.

146 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:27:05pm

re: #134 BrainSurfer

hahaha

147 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:27:18pm

re: #134 BrainSurfer

What does my happiness have to do with someone else's life-altering choice? If she chooses to keep the child, good for her. If not, it's probably for the best. I don't live my life trying to force others to live up to my expectations.

148 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:27:25pm

re: #140 erik_t

Why?

149 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:27:38pm

re: #37 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

What's dumber than bringing a gun into Manhattan? Taking it into your court appearance.
Occupy Wall Street Marcher Brought Gun to Courthouse

But it's ok because he's a leftist.

Who said it was OK?

150 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:28:20pm

re: #131 Talking Point Detective

Is there some official gradation of sins?

Masturbation is a sin.

Contraception is a sin.

Abortion is a sin.

Lusting after your neighbor's wife is a sin.

Now, I would say that depending on what stage of the pregnancy, an abortion has, perhaps, varying degrees of moral implications - but many Christians don't make such a distinction and oppose abortion merely because they believe that the bible, as the word of god, says it is a sin.

But they also believe that masturbating is a sin as stated by god him/herself in the bible.

So if playboy magazine has lead to at least 65 million incidents of masturbation, should Hugh Hefner be compared to Mao?

Two thousand years of virgin theologians worked that out for the Catholics--damn near everythng involving sex is a mortal (soul-damning) sin.

151 dell*nix  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:28:27pm

re: #134 BrainSurfer

And what makes you think Planned Parenthood gets pleasure out of abortion? From what I have seen of them they would prefer that no woman be put in any situation that would have her contemplate having one at any time. Nor have I seen anyone suggesting that a woman get pregnant just so she could have one.

152 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:28:28pm

re: #138 allegro

Where in the bible does it say anything about abortion? As far as I know, there is no such thing anywhere in the book.

As you quoted the original commenter: "...because they believe that the bible, as the word of god, says it is a sin."

The bible-thumpers BELIEVE the bible says that. They're wrong. They also think the world is 8,000 years old and global warming is a myth, they're wrong about that too.

It's more embarrassing that they're wrong about what their own bible says, but a lot of bible-thumping Christians don't really read it, just fetishize it.

153 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:28:37pm

re: #134 BrainSurfer

Here's a clue, as a gift since I'm feeling generous:

If you want fewer abortions, make birth control and emergency contraception cheap and freely available everywhere, and cover it in an insurance policy. Then educate people about their bodies and about birth control with legitimate, science-based information instead of religious nonsense about abstinence.

Fewer unplanned pregnancies = fewer abortions. Simple as that.

154 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:28:44pm

re: #148 BrainSurfer

Because someone intelligently and rationally decided they couldn't give a child the love and care they need and deserve.

155 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:29:07pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

Two thousand years of virgin theologians worked that out for the Catholics--damn near everythng involving sex is a mortal (soul-damning) sin.

Really seems to me like the longest running case of "sour grapes" in the history of civilization.

156 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:29:41pm

re: #144 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

Easy answer. No. (How dumb can some one be on this board?)

157 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:29:44pm

re: #138 allegro

Where in the bible does it say anything about abortion? As far as I know, there is no such thing anywhere in the book.

As I understand it, they interpret the bible to determine that abortion is a sin, or that contraception is a sin, or that me wanting to bang Angelina Jolie is a sin. There are many things that they interpret from the bible that it doesn't actually say. So pointing out what the bible actually says not necessarily directly relevant to what they think it says.

158 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:29:57pm

Where's the outrage about divorce?

159 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:30:17pm

re: #157 Talking Point Detective

As I understand it, they interpret the bible to determine that abortion is a sin, or that contraception is a sin, or that me wanting to bang Angelina Jolie is a sin. There are many things that they interpret from the bible that it doesn't actually say. So pointing out what the bible actually says not necessarily directly relevant to what they think it says.

These are the same people who scream "If it ain't in the Constitution, it ain't a right!"

160 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:30:27pm

re: #138 allegro

Where in the bible does it say anything about abortion? As far as I know, there is no such thing anywhere in the book.

Not explicitly. Depends entirely on how you define a person. They believe there are verses declaring the unborn persons. I would argue there is also a passage in the Torah that implies that the unborn is not a person, since its killer did not get capital punishment. So basically it's usual - whatever interpretation suits you.

161 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:30:49pm

re: #145 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

I'm pitching a series of "Happy Abortion" greeting cards to Hallmark. They didn't like my first samples but I think they'll warm up the the idea.

Barbie Abortion Playset!

162 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:30:57pm

re: #151 dell*nix

And what makes you think Planned Parenthood gets pleasure out of abortion? From what I have seen of them they would prefer that no woman be put in any situation that would have her contemplate having one at any time. Nor have I seen anyone suggesting that a woman get pregnant just so she could have one.

Also, Planned Parenthood spends a lot of time and effort giving out contraceptives and teaching about family planning techniques beyond contraception. If the troll's lies about PP were true ("it makes good business sense!") they'd be doing anything they can to discourage the use of contraceptives.

You know, like the Republican party.

(Full disclosure: I'm a PP volunteer.)

163 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:31:19pm

re: #156 BrainSurfer

Easy answer. No. (How dumb can some one be on this board?)

Yet you compare Mao's death toll to abortions.

164 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:31:30pm

re: #156 BrainSurfer

How dumb can some one be on this board?

Good question. Keep posting and you might end up giving us the answer.

165 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:31:33pm

re: #158 Amory Blaine

Where's the outrage about divorce?

Believe me, they are outraged about it. But it's taken a back seat these days to "more serious" moral issues.

166 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:31:37pm

Mail Containing Harmless Powdery Substance Sent To Congressional Offices

Reuters adds that some of letters "contained anti-government and anti-Wall Street rhetoric."

Sounds like a Tea Partier.

167 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:32:09pm

re: #161 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Play-Doh

168 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:32:35pm

re: #161 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Barbie Abortion Playset!

Genius!

169 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:32:41pm

re: #134 BrainSurfer

OK people. I'm definitely not feeling any love. Educate me. Is anyone really happy here when they hear some one has had an abortion?

Nope. I'm also not happy when I hear that someone had a kid that they can't afford to feed or educate or pay the medical bills of. Or that they had a kid and had to drop out of school. Etc.

Can you explain why, if your concern is these potential babies, you're not impregnating women every time you can? Every sperm you create has unique DNA-- if it doesn't meet up with an egg, that potential human being is lost to us forever. Obviously, at most all you can hope for is one potential human per sexual act, but you're at least doing that, right? You're causing at least one pregnancy a day?

170 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:32:42pm

re: #106 erik_t

Whoops, better make that 206.

171 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:32:56pm

re: #166 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Mail Containing Harmless Powdery Substance Sent To Congressional Offices

Sounds like a Tea Partier.

Easily could be one. You don't take this at face value until further info is known, do you?

172 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:33:29pm

re: #154 erik_t

I'll accept that decision completely. It's a heartbreaking one, but, I can accept someone making it.

173 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:33:45pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

These are the same people who scream "If it ain't in the Constitution, it ain't a right!"

Yeah - and also, if I interpret ambiguous language in the Constitution differently than they interpret ambiguous language, their interpretation just happens to match, perfectly, the founders' intent.

174 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:33:53pm

re: #171 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

Easily could be one. You don't take this at face value until further info is known, do you?

You have to ask? Of course he does.

175 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:33:53pm

re: #166 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Mail Containing Harmless Powdery Substance Sent To Congressional Offices

Sounds like a Tea Partier.

You read the words "anti-government" and you skip over them entirely, in your rush to declare that anyone "anti-Wall Street" must be an "OWS supporter."

Question: What did the Tea Party think about the Wall Street bailouts?

176 dell*nix  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:34:00pm

re: #158 Amory Blaine

So where is the mandatory law for divorce when a woman is no longer capable of having a child for any reason. If she is barren you must divorce her and marry a fertile woman.

Same goes for a woman married to an infertile male. And the infertile cannot get married or have sex because that is sinful.

/rightist mode off.

177 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:34:07pm

re: #172 BrainSurfer

I'll accept that decision completely. It's a heartbreaking one, but, I can accept someone making it.

This statement is at complete odds with the rest of your statements.

178 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:34:36pm

re: #172 BrainSurfer

I'll accept that decision completely. It's a heartbreaking one, but, I can accept someone making it.

Clearly you do not, unless you also accept Mao's choices completely.

179 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:35:48pm

re: #144 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

Ask BrainSurfer, he's the master debater here.

I think that the master debater line went right over his head.

180 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:36:13pm

Because if the letters read as if they were written by a leftist, this means they were necessarily written by a leftist and there is no possibility whatsoever that they might have been written by someone who wants to give an impression of them being written by a leftist. There is no need to wait until the culprit is caught.

That's the law. So there.

181 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:36:22pm

re: #179 Talking Point Detective

I think that the master debater line went right over his head.

It did take me about 5 minutes to get it.

/hides in the corner

182 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:36:44pm

re: #80 Bubblehead II

I haven't done a lot of research into this, but Utah has 5 refineries that could probably handle this oil. I suspect there are States closer to the Canadian border than Texas that also have refineries as well. But then again, they don't have access to blue water ports to ship the refined product over seas where the money is. And that is the crux of the matter.

We have a frikkin upgrader here in Sask. We should be refining it and then shipping it.

183 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:37:13pm

re: #175 Shvaughn

You read the words "anti-government" and you skip over them entirely, in your rush to declare that anyone "anti-Wall Street" must be an "OWS supporter."

Question: What did the Tea Party think about the Wall Street bailouts?

It could be a wingnut but early signs are point to OWS.

184 zora  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:37:47pm

re: #138 allegro

Where in the bible does it say anything about abortion? As far as I know, there is no such thing anywhere in the book.

that would be because a large number of bible thumpers haven't/don't read the bible. the bible makes it clear that the "preborn" and living are not considered equal.

185 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:37:54pm

I present to you the letters obviously written by Islamic Islamists!!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

09-11-01
THIS IS NEXT
TAKE PENACILIN NOW
DEATH TO AMERICA
DEATH TO ISRAEL
ALLAH IS GREAT
===
09-11-01
YOU CAN NOT STOP US.
WE HAVE THIS ANTHRAX.
YOU DIE NOW.
ARE YOU AFRAID?
DEATH TO AMERICA.
DEATH TO ISRAEL.
ALLAH IS GREAT.

186 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:37:54pm

re: #181 thedopefishlives

It did take me about 5 minutes to get it.

/hides in the corner

I got there much more quickly.

/

187 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:38:00pm

re: #182 I'm a Lefty Moron

We have a frikkin upgrader here in Sask. We should be refining it and then shipping it.

I'm more interested in the uranium.
Can you send me some?

188 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:38:19pm

re: #180 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

They may well be written by a 'leftist'. Since nobody has claimed that there aren't unhinged whackos on the left, it seems a rather trite point.

The dude is mailing harmless powdery substances, not leaving nailbombs at an MLK march.

He could become dangerous, so I hope he gets found. There's definitely rhetoric from anarchists and the like that explicitly endorses violence.

Which is why including both anarchists and typical democrats in the label 'left' is silly.

189 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:38:21pm

re: #180 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

Because if the letters read as if they were written by a leftist, this means they were necessarily written by a leftist and there is no possibility whatsoever that they might have been written by someone who wants to give an impression of them being written by a leftist. There is no need to wait until the culprit is caught.

That's the law. So there.

Big upding for being the first with the false flag allegation.

190 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:39:07pm

re: #182 I'm a Lefty Moron

We have a frikkin upgrader here in Sask. We should be refining it and then shipping it.

The thing is, it's not meant for us. TransCanada's basically paying us for the "privilege" of having their toxic waste pumped from the Canadian border to Texas refineries, crossing over environmentally sensitive areas where their less-than-adequate pipes might spring leaks that would go days or weeks without notice.

191 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:39:19pm

re: #189 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Big upding for being the first with the false flag allegation.

Because that never, ever happens!!1 Bastards! They killed Bruce Ivins!11
/

192 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:40:01pm

So, lefties are the only group in the US who hate the government and WS?
Good to know.

193 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:40:15pm

re: #186 erik_t

I got there much more quickly.

/

That's what SHE said.

194 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:40:26pm

re: #183 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

It could be a wingnut but early signs are point to OWS.

And yet you felt it was jumping the gun to talk about the defunding of Planned Parenthood by Komen to be a right-wing plot.

Sure must be nice to have the selective skepticism, huh?

Meanwhile, tell me more about the people who are saying it's okay for the OWS guy to take a gun into a court because he's a leftie. Who is saying that exactly? Many people in this thread have asked, and you haven't yet copped to the fact that you made up the supposed hypocrisy yourself.

195 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:40:53pm

One bag of popcorn popped, 2 in the ready-rack.

196 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:41:41pm

re: #194 Shvaughn

And yet you felt it was jumping the gun to talk about the defunding of Planned Parenthood by Komen to be a right-wing plot.

Heh. He also said that he wasn't sure if the vice president of policy at Komen had any influence on policy at Komen.

Killgore works better if you understand him as a self-beclowning piece of performance art, and not someone actually trying to construct a working argument.

197 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:41:53pm

re: #156 BrainSurfer

Easy answer. No. (How dumb can some one be on this board?)

I think you're an example of someone too dumb to be on this board.

198 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:42:25pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

One bag of popcorn popped, 2 in the ready-rack.

You're gonna need it.

199 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:42:33pm

The Killgore Trout law: thou shalt always take everything written in letters accompanying unknown substances at face value.

200 Mocking Jay  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:43:13pm

re: #196 Obdicut

Heh. He also said that he wasn't sure if the vice president of policy at Komen had any influence at policy on Komen.

Killgore works better if you understand him as a self-beclowning piece of performance art, and not someone actually trying to construct a working argument.

Wait, Kilgore's a Walter sock??

201 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:43:22pm

re: #199 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

The Killgore Trout law: thou shalt always take everything written in letters accompanying unknown substances at face value.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

202 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:43:26pm

re: #199 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

The Killgore Trout law: thou shalt always take everything written in letters accompanying unknown substances at face value.

I bet Alex Jones picks up your false flag theory.

203 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:43:31pm

re: #195 Decatur Deb

One bag of popcorn popped, 2 in the ready-rack.

Youtube Video
204 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:44:04pm

re: #202 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

I bet Alex Jones picks up your false flag theory.

I bet Adolf Hitler breathed air like you.

205 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:44:15pm

re: #202 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

I bet Alex Jones picks up your false flag theory.

Or Iranian State TV.
Oh, wait...
:P

206 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:44:27pm

re: #166 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Mail Containing Harmless Powdery Substance Sent To Congressional Offices

Sounds like a Tea Partier.

Fruit cake.

207 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:44:44pm

re: #204 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

I bet Adolf Hitler breathed air like you.

Fucking Nazi oxygen.

208 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:45:09pm

re: #204 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

I bet Adolf Hitler breathed air like you.

Dammit, Godwin.

209 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:45:12pm

re: #207 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Fucking Nazi oxygen.

Yeah, it's easier to just give up. /

210 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:45:14pm

re: #162 Shvaughn

Disagree with your thoughts on Planned Parenthood. If I was running it, I would want to capture every potential customer as early as possible. I would be in the schools doing just what you suggest. I would want to increase my target market to every available girl / woman I possible can reach. I would extoll the virtues of all the services I can provide, especially for preventative health, and of course, contraception and family planning, and heaven forbid, for abortion (whispered softly) if ever necessary.

Obviously the poor and minorities would be the markets I would probably have the greatest success, and once I have them tip-toeing through the door, I would do everything possible to keep them customers for life.

And the more I can milk the government for funding, the more I would promote the great services we perform for all women. What's not to like about this business plan - it's currently extremely successful.

211 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:45:53pm

re: #208 thedopefishlives

Dammit, Godwin.

Nothing wrong with ole Mike.

212 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:46:13pm

re: #210 BrainSurfer

Why do you keep dodging questions, and instead spinning these bizarre fantasies?

213 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:46:42pm

Could've been a lefty.
Could've been a Paulian.
Could've been foreign terrorist.
Could've been a raving lone.
Could've been... Ah, fuck it. I'll wait for the facts.

214 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:46:48pm

re: #183 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

It could be a wingnut but early signs are point to OWS.

Maybe - but does he support rapes and stabbings? No way to tell for sure unless we find out.

215 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:46:52pm

re: #210 BrainSurfer

Disagree with your thoughts on Planned Parenthood.

You're such a ridiculous little troll.

216 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:47:18pm

re: #215 Shvaughn

You're such a ridiculous little troll.

Yeah, but it makes good target practice for the radar-guided troll-seeking missile batteries.

217 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:47:27pm

So, I take it, Killgore Trout does believe that the anthrax letters were written by Islamic terrorists rather than Bruce Ivins. Good to know.

218 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:47:36pm

re: #212 Obdicut

Why do you keep dodging questions, and instead spinning these bizarre fantasies?

Why do you keep asking rhetorical questions?

219 Mocking Jay  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:48:07pm

re: #210 BrainSurfer

re: #210 BrainSurfer

And to think, the idiots made it a non-profit...

220 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:48:08pm

re: #213 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

Could've been a lefty.
Could've been a Paulian.
Could've been foreign terrorist.
Could've been a raving lone.
Could've been... Ah, fuck it. I'll wait for the facts.

Stop being rational. We have lefties to blame without evidence.

221 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:48:42pm

FACT: Libruls hate babies and want to kill all the babies all the time, especially minority babies because those are the worst kind of babies.

This is dumber than tonight's debate.

222 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:48:56pm

re: #210 BrainSurfer

You asked how dumb people could be. This post by you is the answer.

What a steaming pile of utter horseshit.

223 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:49:03pm

re: #216 thedopefishlives

Yeah, but it makes good target practice for the radar-guided troll-seeking missile batteries.

It's radar-jammers seem to be Soviet-era.

224 Kragar  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:49:36pm

OK, who didn't flush?

225 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:50:22pm

re: #219 The Most Interesting Man in My World

re: #210 BrainSurfer

And to think, the idiots made it a non-profit...

All the better for their ultimate goal of ABORTING TEH BABIES LIKE MAO!!!1!

1. Non-profit.
2. ???
3. Profit!

(He still didn't answer how, in his fantasy world of PP having a "great business model" built on those oh-so-profitable abortions, it makes sense to give out contraceptives that prevent abortions. But hey, he's in the running to see just how stupid someone here can be, so I guess he doesn't have to make sense.)

226 Mocking Jay  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:50:25pm

10 minutes to the Greatest Show on Earth.

227 Alexzander  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:50:51pm

re: #226 The Most Interesting Man in My World

10 minutes to the Greatest Show on Earth.

Where is the live feed?

228 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:50:54pm

re: #226 The Most Interesting Man in My World

10 minutes to the Greatest Show on Earth.

2 hours under the Big Top? The clown car's looking a bit empty these days.

229 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:51:09pm

re: #187 Somalia: Libertarian Paradise

I'm more interested in the uranium.
Can you send me some?

My wife works for the gov in the resources department. They actually do have a sample or two of uranium (pitchblende) in the office. I don't think I could lift the case though.

230 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:51:34pm

re: #203 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

Covered someone, The Ventures?

231 Alexzander  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:52:09pm

re: #224 Kragar

OK, who didn't flush?

I always recommend a courtesy flush if the odour of sanatorum is noticeable.

232 Mocking Jay  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:52:25pm

re: #227 PEANUT BUTTER

Where is the live feed?

On CNN.com

233 Ming  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:52:38pm

This reminds me of last year, when the Arizona state legislature passed a birther bill, mandating that candidates for President of the United States had to submit proof of their birth, before they would be allowed on the ballot in Arizona. (The bill was ridiculous on its face; the federal Constitution already mandates that the President must be a natural-born US citizen.) Anyway, it was shameful that the Arizona state legislature actually passed the bill. But then Governor Jan Brewer vetoed it.

This was only a few months after Obama came to Arizona in the aftermath of the Gabrielle Giffords shooting. He gave a very moving speech at the University of Arizona; Governor Brewer was present. I sometimes wonder if she would have vetoed the birther bill, had she not personally met Obama a few months before, at a ceremony that promoted healing and reconciliation (and by far the worst of all, memorialized that poor 9-year-old girl who died). Signing the birther bill would have been a bridge too far for her, and I'm glad for that.

This is one indicator of the health of our system of government: the checks and balances. Today, the Governor of Virginia "checked and balanced" the Virginia State Legislature. Yes, there's plenty of bad right-wing craziness in Virginia, but we're all lucky that one Republican, the Governor, decided not to cross the line into the crazy side of the room.

234 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:52:49pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

The thing is, it's not meant for us. TransCanada's basically paying us for the "privilege" of having their toxic waste pumped from the Canadian border to Texas refineries, crossing over environmentally sensitive areas where their less-than-adequate pipes might spring leaks that would go days or weeks without notice.

Shhh.

Our plan to rule the world is just starting.

235 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:54:16pm

Or take this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Through the years as she continued to expose the Church, Paulette Cooper was the target not only of litigation but of several harassment campaigns including a Scientology campaign known as Operation Freakout, the goal of which was to deter Cooper from criticism of Scientology by having her "incarcerated in a mental institution or jail or at least to hit her so hard that she drops her attacks."[4] In a previous campaign titled Operation Dynamite[5] the church sent itself forged bomb threats, purportedly from Cooper, using her typewriter and paper with her fingerprints on it; further plans included bomb threats to be sent to Henry Kissinger. The Church's campaign was discovered when the FBI raided Scientology offices in 1977 and recovered documents relating to the operation.[6] The Church finally agreed to an out-of-court settlement with Cooper in 1985.[7]

Nonsense, says KT. Never happened! Anonymous people don't ever pretend to be someone else! To suggest anything else is to enter the [Theremin wail] Alex Jones zone!

236 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:54:53pm

re: #233 Ming

This reminds me of last year, when the Arizona state legislature passed a birther bill, mandating that candidates for President of the United States had to submit proof of their birth, before they would be allowed on the ballot in Arizona. (The bill was ridiculous on its face; the federal Constitution already mandates that the President must be a natural-born US citizen.) Anyway, it was shameful that the Arizona state legislature actually passed the bill. But then Governor Jan Brewer vetoed it.

This was only a few months after Obama came to Arizona in the aftermath of the Gabrielle Giffords shooting. He gave a very moving speech at the University of Arizona; Governor Brewer was present. I sometimes wonder if she would have vetoed the birther bill, had she not personally met Obama a few months before, at a ceremony that promoted healing and reconciliation.

This is one indicator of the health of our system of government: the checks and balances. Today, the Governor of Virginia "checked and balanced" the Virginia State Legislature. Yes, there's plenty of bad right-wing craziness in Virginia, but we're all lucky that one Republican, the Governor, decided not to cross the line into the crazy side of the room.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but all McDonnell did was give them cover by saying that making the trans-vaginal probe "optional" would allow him to sign the bill. It hasn't died a very righteous death, it's just been given a fig leaf.

237 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:54:56pm

re: #204 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

I bet Adolf Hitler breathed air like you.

Through a manly man moustache like I do.

238 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:54:59pm

re: #231 PEANUT BUTTER

All of a sudden I'm hungry for chili.

239 Alexzander  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:56:35pm

Live feed direct linkL

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

240 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:56:50pm

re: #210 BrainSurfer

Disagree with your thoughts on Planned Parenthood. If I was running it, I would want to capture every potential customer as early as possible. I would be in the schools doing just what you suggest. I would want to increase my target market to every available girl / woman I possible can reach. I would extoll the virtues of all the services I can provide, especially for preventative health, and of course, contraception and family planning, and heaven forbid, for abortion (whispered softly) if ever necessary.

Obviously the poor and minorities would be the markets I would probably have the greatest success, and once I have them tip-toeing through the door, I would do everything possible to keep them customers for life.

And the more I can milk the government for funding, the more I would promote the great services we perform for all women. What's not to like about this business plan - it's currently extremely successful.

You know there are conspiracy sites that would accept you with open arms?

241 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:57:28pm

re: #240 I'm a Lefty Moron

You know there are conspiracy sites that would accept you with open arms?

I hear PrisonPlanet is always looking for a few good fruitloops.

242 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:57:50pm

re: #210 BrainSurfer

Disagree with your thoughts on Planned Parenthood. If I was running it, I would want to capture every potential customer as early as possible. I would be in the schools doing just what you suggest. I would want to increase my target market to every available girl / woman I possible can reach. I would extoll the virtues of all the services I can provide, especially for preventative health, and of course, contraception and family planning, and heaven forbid, for abortion (whispered softly) if ever necessary.

Obviously the poor and minorities would be the markets I would probably have the greatest success, and once I have them tip-toeing through the door, I would do everything possible to keep them customers for life.

And the more I can milk the government for funding, the more I would promote the great services we perform for all women. What's not to like about this business plan - it's currently extremely successful.

OMG, you hater.

243 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 4:59:36pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

I hear PrisonPlanet is always looking for a few good fruitloops.

So is Free Republic. I'm sure there are plenty of morons at FR who would read that tripe and consider it the gospel truth.

244 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:00:28pm

CNN is ricking with the gameshow set. Was hoping for something cathedral-ly for Santorum.

245 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:01:22pm

re: #134 BrainSurfer

OK people. I'm definitely not feeling any love. Educate me. Is anyone really happy here when they hear some one has had an abortion?

Someone, that is, other than the folks at Planned Parenthood who would view abortion as a revenue generator - all part of their business plan - and which makes perfect sense from a business perspective.

WTF?

Do you think women go out and have abortions for teh lulz?

246 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:01:23pm

For crap's sake--WWE leadin.

247 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:01:45pm

Is this a debate or a reality show? Survivor: GOP Edition?

248 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:02:08pm

re: #247 Targetpractice

Is this a debate or a reality show? Survivor: GOP Edition?

The only people trying to survive this debate are in the audience.

249 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:02:30pm

re: #245 Learned Mother of Zion

WTF?

Do you think women go out and have abortions for teh lulz?

They're either deliberately dense or they're trolling.

My vote is for trolling.

250 Mocking Jay  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:02:34pm

re: #240 I'm a Lefty Moron

You know there are conspiracy sites that would accept you with open arms?

Oh, my friend, you're only at the puckered lip of the rabbit hole. Just think... if they give a lot of their services away for free, then just what exactly are the getting out of their "customers," hm? HMM???

251 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:02:41pm

WTF it sounds like a WWF match. How cheezy.

252 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:03:20pm

re: #248 erik_t

The only people trying to survive this debate are in the audience.

The brain cells of everyone watching this debate will be fighting an epic cage match for survival.

253 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:03:27pm

re: #166 KT Smells like Roses and Rainbows

Mail Containing Harmless Powdery Substance Sent To Congressional Offices

Sounds like a Tea Partier.

Give it an effen rest!

254 Jimmi the Grey  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:03:30pm

re: #210 BrainSurfer

Disagree with your thoughts on Planned Parenthood. If I was running it, I would want to capture every potential customer as early as possible. I would be in the schools doing just what you suggest. I would want to increase my target market to every available girl / woman I possible can reach. I would extoll the virtues of all the services I can provide, especially for preventative health, and of course, contraception and family planning, and heaven forbid, for abortion (whispered softly) if ever necessary.

Obviously the poor and minorities would be the markets I would probably have the greatest success, and once I have them tip-toeing through the door, I would do everything possible to keep them customers for life.

And the more I can milk the government for funding, the more I would promote the great services we perform for all women. What's not to like about this business plan - it's currently extremely successful.

Not Intended to be a Factual Statement

255 Alexzander  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:03:31pm

re: #251 Amory Blaine

WTF it sounds like a WWF match. How cheezy.

LETS GET READY TO RUMMMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBLE!

256 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:03:42pm

re: #252 Lidane

The brain cells of everyone watching this debate will be fighting an epic cage match for survival.

Let's get ready to rumble!

257 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:03:47pm

re: #255 PEANUT BUTTER

LETS GET READY TO RUMMMBBBLE!

THUNDERDOME!

258 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:03:57pm

re: #255 PEANUT BUTTER

LETS GET READY TO RUMMMBBBLE!

GMTA

259 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:04:12pm

GOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLDDDDDDD!!!!

260 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:04:14pm

re: #249 Lidane

I think it's the 'trolling with feeling'. I don't know if there's a word for it, really. He sounds like the kind of asshole who really does have a fucked up view of women, but he knows his arguments are pathetic and is just trying to get a rise out of people.

I mean, he basically sounds like Brietbart.

261 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:04:14pm

re: #177 Obdicut

Not from my perspective. Individual decisions are unique and personal, and circumstances such as rape or health issues could make abortion the primary choice. But then I look at the big picture and realize that 55 million abortions is one hell of a lot a potential people, many of whom could have contributed greatly to America. So many on the left would cheer this figure. I don't at all.

On the other hand, so many on the left go all weepy and teary-eyed when a convicted murderer/rapist/child molester is put to death. I don't.

Doesn't make sense, unless you have the ability to say an unborn child - a fetus - 1 month? 3 months? six months? eight months ... doesn't matter to many... is simply a piece of meat until "it" is actually born. Too many do. I have a different opinion.

262 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:04:28pm

re: #251 Amory Blaine

WTF it sounds like a WWF match. How cheezy.

Are you going to be today's play by play guy, or the colour commentator?

263 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:04:33pm

re: #253 Romantic Heretic

Picking scabs is a compulsive activity. Learn the symptoms, causes and treatment of this disorder. Stop picking – Start living!

264 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:04:36pm

No ashes.

265 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:04:47pm

Former...former...former...and Ron Paul. Nobody ask why they are all "former" these days.

266 Lidane  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:04:52pm
267 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:04:57pm

Jets better overfly the arena or else...

268 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:05:02pm

re: #261 BrainSurfer

You are incoherent. I hope you're aware.

269 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:05:05pm

re: #262 I'm a Lefty Moron

Are you going to be today's play by play guy, or the colour commentator?

As soon as I see Romneys hands in his pockets all bets are off.

270 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:05:11pm

National Anthem? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

271 Alexzander  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:05:25pm

Sweet camera angle!

272 Mocking Jay  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:05:32pm

I still don't understand why we need to start this with the anthem.

273 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:06:02pm

re: #215 Shvaughn

Shvaughn, every one is entitled to their own opinions, even if they are ridiculous. Keep em' coming.

274 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:06:09pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

CNN is ricking with the gameshow set. Was hoping for something cathedral-ly for Santorum.

Game show set isn't bad, though I think a circus arena would be perfect for these clowns.

275 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:06:31pm

re: #268 erik_t

Nope

276 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:06:36pm

re: #272 The Most Interesting Man in My World

I still don't understand why we need to start this with the anthem.

NASCAR rules.

277 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:07:19pm

re: #261 BrainSurfer

Not from my perspective. Individual decisions are unique and personal, and circumstances such as rape or health issues could make abortion the primary choice. But then I look at the big picture and realize that 55 million abortions is one hell of a lot a potential people, many of whom could have contributed greatly to America. So many on the left would cheer this figure. I don't at all.

Then go make more babies, what's the problem?

Doesn't make sense, unless you have the ability to say an unborn child - a fetus - 1 month? 3 months? six months? eight months ... doesn't matter to many...

Incorrect, we don't have to specify the exact moment, mainly because there *is* no single moment when a non-person becomes a person. But that doesn't mean it's a person all the way down. See the sorites paradox.

278 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:07:37pm

re: #261 BrainSurfer

But then I look at the big picture and realize that 55 million abortions is one hell of a lot a potential people, many of whom could have contributed greatly to America. So many on the left would cheer this figure. I don't at all.

Why aren't you upset about all the potential people we missed out because you aren't impregnating women every day? Why don't they matter?

1 month? 3 months? six months? eight months ... doesn't matter to many...

There are very, very, very very, very few people on the pro-choice side who view a fetus at one month and eight months the same. So, this is just ignorance on your part-- or, again, trolling.

I'd say the people who it doesn't matter to are the ones who are against abortion of even a one month old fetus, and who view it no differently than murdering an actual living baby.

So, you've got your ass on backwards.

279 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:07:55pm

re: #254 Jimmi the Grey

But...but....but....it's da truth, man.

280 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:07:58pm

re: #277 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

Then go make more babies, what's the problem?

OK, actually don't.

281 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:08:49pm

re: #268 erik_t

You are incoherent. I hope you're aware.

I think that's the problem.

282 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:08:51pm

Newt just came out for electric cars..no, wait.

283 Amory Blaine  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:09:16pm

Paul: The defender

Santorum: Bottoms up

Romney: The Panderer

Gingrich: The Douche

One stage!!! Tonight!!!

284 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:09:43pm

I thought Satan was the problem.

285 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:09:45pm

re: #210 BrainSurfer

Disagree with your thoughts on Planned Parenthood. If I was running it, I would want to capture every potential customer as early as possible. I would be in the schools doing just what you suggest. I would want to increase my target market to every available girl / woman I possible can reach. I would extoll the virtues of all the services I can provide, especially for preventative health, and of course, contraception and family planning, and heaven forbid, for abortion (whispered softly) if ever necessary.

Obviously the poor and minorities would be the markets I would probably have the greatest success, and once I have them tip-toeing through the door, I would do everything possible to keep them customers for life.

And the more I can milk the government for funding, the more I would promote the great services we perform for all women. What's not to like about this business plan - it's currently extremely successful.

Planned Parenthood is not a business, you feckless idiot!

286 Jimmi the Grey  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:09:48pm

re: #261 BrainSurfer

Not from my perspective. Individual decisions are unique and personal, and circumstances such as rape or health issues could make abortion the primary choice. But then I look at the big picture and realize that 55 million abortions is one hell of a lot a potential people, many of whom could have contributed greatly to America. So many on the left would cheer this figure. I don't at all.Keep in mind that dividends are paid to shareholders only after the corporation pays taxes on its profits.

Um, what profits? Do you really believe PP is a For Profit Organization? That it has shareholders who make profits off of dividends?

On the other hand, so many on the left go all weepy and teary-eyed when a convicted murderer/rapist/child molester is put to death. I don't.

So, not pro-life then. huh

287 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:11:26pm

re: #277 J. Bastard (Buttland Institute)

Who's "WE", Kemo sabe? You have some inside info on when life begins? You got some special connection with The ONE?

288 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:12:14pm

re: #287 BrainSurfer

Who's "WE", Kemo sabe? You have some inside info on when life begins? You got some special connection with The ONE?

The one what?

289 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:13:43pm

re: #285 Romantic Heretic

Au contraire, my Romantic Heretic. You are greatly mistaken. Planned Parenthood is an extremely successful business being operated as a non-profit.

290 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:13:49pm

re: #287 BrainSurfer

Who's "WE", Kemo sabe? You have some inside info on when life begins? You got some special connection with The ONE?

All of us. And to repeat, I don't have to specify the exact moment when a non-person becomes a person. What I do know is that personhood is impossible without a cerebral cortex. Don't have it? Not a person.

291 erik_t  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:15:33pm

re: #287 BrainSurfer

Who's "WE", Kemo sabe? You have some inside info on when life begins? You got some special connection with The ONE?

Sperm: already alive. Egg: already alive. What an idiotic argument.

Good day.

292 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:16:41pm

re: #287 BrainSurfer

Who's "WE", Kemo sabe? You have some inside info on when life begins? You got some special connection with The ONE?

No. But you believe you do.

The difference between wisdom and foolishness is certainty.

293 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:16:45pm

re: #291 erik_t

Sperm: already alive. Egg: already alive. What an idiotic argument.

Good day.

Life began ~3.5 billion years ago. There. I answered.

294 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:20:10pm

re: #289 BrainSurfer

Can you please explain, if what pains you is all the potential people who aren't getting born, why you're falling down in your duty on this?

295 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:26:03pm

re: #288 I'm a Lefty Moron

Ah, man, Lefty. You're living up to your handle. Got to try harder, man.

296 BrainSurfer  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:29:41pm

Been fun, folks. Signing out, with extreme reluctance. Need to see which idiot wins the debate and can't do it here.

297 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:30:24pm

re: #233 Ming

This reminds me of last year, when the Arizona state legislature passed a birther bill, mandating that candidates for President of the United States had to submit proof of their birth, before they would be allowed on the ballot in Arizona. (The bill was ridiculous on its face; the federal Constitution already mandates that the President must be a natural-born US citizen.) Anyway, it was shameful that the Arizona state legislature actually passed the bill. But then Governor Jan Brewer vetoed it.

This was only a few months after Obama came to Arizona in the aftermath of the Gabrielle Giffords shooting. He gave a very moving speech at the University of Arizona; Governor Brewer was present. I sometimes wonder if she would have vetoed the birther bill, had she not personally met Obama a few months before, at a ceremony that promoted healing and reconciliation (and by far the worst of all, memorialized that poor 9-year-old girl who died). Signing the birther bill would have been a bridge too far for her, and I'm glad for that.

This is one indicator of the health of our system of government: the checks and balances. Today, the Governor of Virginia "checked and balanced" the Virginia State Legislature. Yes, there's plenty of bad right-wing craziness in Virginia, but we're all lucky that one Republican, the Governor, decided not to cross the line into the crazy side of the room.

Except that he didn't. In the face of the protests the legislators and governor worked up a minor back down while keeping the rest of the bill (and the bill itself) alive. It was a PR stunt to allay the commoners while they passed a bill that is still intended solely to throw up obstacles in the way of a woman seeking her legal right to get an abortion.

298 Obdicut  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 5:31:01pm

re: #296 BrainSurfer

Bye, troll.

299 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 22, 2012 7:04:10pm

Damn it why to the pro abortion people always leave right before I can show up? Is there anyone on this board who thinks abortion should be illegal? Anyone at all? I'd love to have a debate on this!


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