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Rachel Maddow Interviews James Inhofe, Face of the Anti-Science Right

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Rachel Maddow’s interview with leading Republican climate change denier Sen. James Inhofe is a real jaw-dropper. Inhofe tells an amazing amount of lies about climate science and global warming, but perhaps the most outrageous claim he makes is that science curriculum in public schools should be determined not by scientists, but by … Republican politicians. Yes, he really does say this, after accusing schools of “brainwashing” his children.

This is the face of the anti-science right wing.

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1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:24:56pm

I missed this last night, thanks for posting it.

2 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:25:05pm

The GOP is an embarrassment, a dangerous one at that.

3 Someone Please Benghazi Me Up!  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:25:11pm

Most important prerequisite for setting school curriculum? You have to know nothing about your subject!

4 jamesfirecat  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:25:53pm

He didn't give Rachel many chances to get a word in edgewise, but she damn well made the most of the chances she got!

5 jaunte  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:26:52pm

I'm just going to rerun a comment from last night:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

6 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:28:56pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

He didn't give Rachel many chances to get a word in edgewise, but she damn well made the most of the chances she got!

Well, that doesn't sound too promising. Someone like this should never be allowed to control the interview.

7 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:30:05pm

Did Rachel ask him about this?

After Getting Sick From Algae Bloom Exacerbated by Heat Wave and Drought, Inhofe Jokes the “Environment Strikes Back”

Irony can be so ironic. A day after cancelling his keynote address at the Heartland climate denial conference because he felt “under the weather,” Republican Senator Jim Inhofe today insisted his sickness was due to a toxic algae bloom...
...
Environmental officials in Oklahoma sent out a warning today about major blue-green algal blooms around the Northeastern portion of the state, saying this is the largest bloom the area has ever seen. Because “toxins harmful to humans and animals can be produced in some algae blooms,” it is strongly recommended you do not swim in places where there are visible blooms. Ironically, Inhofe, who has chaired the Senate Environment Committee, didn’t know that, but even his teenage granddaughter figured it out.

“I didn’t think anything about it,” he said, recalling that he had encouraged his 13-year-old granddaughter to join him in the water but she declined.

“She didn’t want to get in that green stuff.”

Maybe she should be Senator.

8 erik_t  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:31:16pm

If Inhofe told me the sky was blue, I'd ask him if he saw it for himself or if he read it in a mistranslated millennia-old incomplete religious text.

9 jaunte  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:33:06pm

Love the way he tries to pull the "I'm offended, but must correct you/more in sorrow than in anger" move, when she presses him on the Uganda/gays issue.

10 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:37:50pm

What an obvious weirdo. I don't get what people see in him.

He's like a guy insisting that he knows a shortcut, even as the road turns into dirt and banjo music starts.

11 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:39:05pm

re: #10 Obdicut

What an obvious weirdo. I don't get what people see in him.

He's like a guy insisting that he knows a shortcut, even as the road turns into dirt and banjo music starts.

"He does a lot of good for his state..."

Sure, it means a lot of horrific consequences in the future, but he's bringing in the money now.

12 Obdicut  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:41:28pm

re: #11 Kragar

But he's bringing in money for people who say that they don't want the government to spend money.

13 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:43:33pm

re: #12 Obdicut

But he's bringing in money for people who say that they don't want the government to spend money.

They just mean spending it on other people. As long as they get it, its all good.

14 shutdown  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:43:52pm

Watching the interview reinforced my conviction that there should be upper limits on the age of elected representatives, along with lower limits. Who needs these half-senile rat bastards suckling at the public teat and dropping dead on the House and Senate floor?

15 Alouenghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:44:23pm

"Environmentalists are spending more money than fossil fuel producers!"

LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE

16 BongGhazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:45:15pm

re: #14 Phlebas

half-senile rat bastards

You're being too generous.

17 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:45:34pm

re: #14 Phlebas

Watching the interview reinforced my conviction that there should be upper limits on the age of elected representatives, along with lower limits. Who needs these half-senile rat bastards suckling at the public teat and dropping dead on the House and Senate floor?

That only holds if you can show he didn't used to be a moron. Some old people (and some young ones) really are wise.

18 shutdown  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:45:59pm

re: #16 BongCrodny

You're being too generous.

It is sabbath eve, I am winding down...

19 shutdown  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:47:32pm

re: #17 wrenchwench

No-one is immune to the march of time. I cannot argue with the fact that he represents like-minded voters. It's just the rest of the country should be protected from his advancing senility and the clogging of his intellectual and physical arteries.

20 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:48:33pm

What a maroon.

21 calochortus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:49:40pm

The problem I see with this interview is that Rachael Maddow is quite polite and lets Inhofe put out a bunch of claims without asking too many questions about them. I'd be willing to bet the anti-AGW folks think he wiped the floor with Rachael. Inhofe manages to come across as well informed and backed by by science. She does a bit better with the facts on the Uganda portion.

22 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:49:52pm
I cannot argue with the fact that he represents like-minded voters.

Yes. Therein lies the rub.

23 shutdown  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:50:06pm

Sheesh, look at the time. Have to start firing up the oven and go pick up the good Frau Dr. Phlebas from work. Laterz

24 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:50:09pm

re: #15 Learned Mother of Zion

"Environmentalists are spending more money than fossil fuel producers!"

LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE

I'd hazard a guess that the Koch brothers alone spend more on lobbying and PAC efforts than the all of the organizations affiliated with the environmental movement combined.

25 jaunte  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:51:35pm

re: #20 austin_blue

What a maroon.

He knows just what to lie about.

26 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:54:55pm

re: #21 calochortus

The problem I see with this interview is that Rachael Maddow is quite polite and lets Inhofe put out a bunch of claims without asking too many questions about them. I'd be willing to bet the anti-AGW folks think he wiped the floor with Rachael. Inhofe manages to come across as well informed and backed by by science. She does a bit better with the facts on the Uganda portion.

I can't watch the video. Can't imagine this guy wiping the mat with anyone. What kind of science does he have backing him?

27 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:57:12pm

re: #21 calochortus

The problem I see with this interview is that Rachael Maddow is quite polite and lets Inhofe put out a bunch of claims without asking too many questions about them. I'd be willing to bet the anti-AGW folks think he wiped the floor with Rachael.

Commenters on ClimateProgress seem to agree:

Having a near-professional anti-science climate denier is a mistake...no one except a climate literate comedian should “debate” a denier since professional deniers are so fluent at lying and obfuscating that there is no way an individual can keep up with debunking or even keeping straight their lies and misrepresentations. Only a comedian can come back with appropriate absurdities.

28 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:57:46pm

re: #21 calochortus

The problem I see with this interview is that Rachael Maddow is quite polite and lets Inhofe put out a bunch of claims without asking too many questions about them. I'd be willing to bet the anti-AGW folks think he wiped the floor with Rachael. Inhofe manages to come across as well informed and backed by by science. She does a bit better with the facts on the Uganda portion.

That's what I was concerned about. When are rational people going to start realizing this isn't a game? It is deathly serious. I don't care if he's a doddering old fool, Imhofe is dangerous and evil.

29 calochortus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 12:59:33pm

re: #26 Bulworth

He doesn't have actual science, but he makes specific references that sound good that he can quote (presumably out of context.) If no one looks them up, then he has "proof".

30 calochortus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:00:22pm

re: #27 Interesting Times

Commenters on ClimateProgress seem to agree:

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. Plausible stuff people want to believe wins every time.

31 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:00:48pm

re: #27 Interesting Times

I nominate Doug Stanhope and a bottle of Jack Daniels.

32 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:01:08pm

re: #21 calochortus

The problem I see with this interview is that Rachael Maddow is quite polite and lets Inhofe put out a bunch of claims without asking too many questions about them. I'd be willing to bet the anti-AGW folks think he wiped the floor with Rachael. Inhofe manages to come across as well informed and backed by by science. She does a bit better with the facts on the Uganda portion.

Agreed.

I was thinking about Soledad. Too bad she doesn't have her own talk show. I think she'd be amazing.

33 calochortus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:03:08pm

re: #28 Tigger2005

I don't think he is a doddering old fool. I think he knows what side his bread is buttered on-and thinks we can get away with doing what we want. Perhaps God will keep us safe, or maybe just he'll have enough money to protect his family from the worst of it.

34 iossarian  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:04:46pm

WHAT

THE

FUCK

[Link: thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...]

35 calochortus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:07:02pm

re: #34 iossarian

They will undoubtly have messed up kids even if they are straight.

36 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:10:00pm

re: #19 Phlebas

No-one is immune to the march of time. I cannot argue with the fact that he represents like-minded voters. It's just the rest of the country should be protected from his advancing senility and the clogging of his intellectual and physical arteries.

Everybody gets old and dies, but not everybody goes senile or stupid first.

37 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:12:41pm

re: #27 Interesting Times

Commenters on ClimateProgress seem to agree:

You should Page that. It's a beaut.

38 dragonfire1981  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:15:14pm

And the classy people over at Fox News are at it again...

Fox News commenters spew homophobic hatred following verdict in Clementi case

39 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:20:51pm

re: #37 Daniel Ballard

You should Page that. It's a beaut.

Just the comment, or the whole ClimateProgress article?

40 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:24:42pm

Angry Black Lady is cooking with gas today. She's one amazing chiquita.

41 jaunte  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:27:18pm

Inhofe: Global warming too costly to be real

"...there was one remarkable admission from the former chair of the Senate Environment Committee:

I was actually on your side of this issue when I was chairing that committee and I first heard about this. I thought it must be true until I found out what it cost.

In short, learning about the (supposed) high cost of the solution is what turned him from a believer in climate science to a denier."

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:28:08pm

re: #14 Phlebas

Watching the interview reinforced my conviction that there should be upper limits on the age of elected representatives, along with lower limits. Who needs these half-senile rat bastards suckling at the public teat and dropping dead on the House and Senate floor?

Have you seen some of the young people who are coming up in politics these days?

43 calochortus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:28:19pm

re: #41 jaunte

That's the free market at work! /

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:29:37pm

re: #41 jaunte

Inhofe: Global warming too costly to be real

That's sort of how I feel about Birkin bags, but they're not likely to kill me if I pretend they're not there.

45 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:30:09pm

O-kaaay...now I'm really glad I didn't donate to the so-called "Stop Kony" effort:

Invisible Children Co-Founder Detained: SDPD

A co-founder for Invisible Children was detained in Pacific Beach Thursday night for being drunk in public and masturbating, according to San Diego Police Department.

Jason Russell, 33, was allegedly found masturbating in public, vandalizing cars and possibly under the influence of something, according to Lt. Andra Brown. He was detained at the intersection of Ingraham Street and Riviera Road.

Not entirely OT since Inhofe was heavily featured in the Kony video

46 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:34:48pm

re: #41 jaunte

Inhofe: Global warming too costly to be real

Ah. So a disagreement about how to handle the situation (as his variant is "it's too expensive") makes him opt to simply deny the whole thing is even happening. True head in the sand thinking.

Which, given the consequences, is essentially evil.

47 jaunte  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:35:21pm
48 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:36:16pm

I moved too slow. I just paged about this.

49 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:38:29pm
50 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:39:15pm

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

Have you seen some of the young people who are coming up in politics these days?

Noted idiot Dana Loesch is under 35.

51 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:39:35pm

re: #26 Bulworth

I can't watch the video. Can't imagine this guy wiping the mat with anyone. What kind of science does he have backing him?

Large buckets of bullshit and piles of moxie.

52 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:40:06pm

re: #50 Pope Ron Polyp XXXVII

Noted idiot Dana Loesch is under 35.

Under 35 what?
/rimshot

53 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:40:40pm

re: #29 calochortus

He doesn't have actual science, but he makes specific references that sound good that he can quote (presumably out of context.) If no one looks them up, then he has "proof".

The Lord Moncton system of pr.

54 calochortus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:41:24pm

re: #53 My Name is Muerte!

Sadly, it works.

55 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:41:58pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Everybody gets old and dies, but not everybody goes senile or stupid first.

WTF are you talking about?

Dying is not an option.

56 Bipartite Gnomenclature  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:45:02pm

Oh, if anybody is interested, my page on this is here.

57 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:47:36pm

re: #55 My Name is Muerte!

WTF are you talking about?

Dying is not an option.

Sí, Señor Muerte, that's what I'm talking about.

58 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:48:52pm

'The Homosexual Community and Media' are to Blame for Tyler Clementi's Suicide

How dare some homosexuals live happy and productive lives?!

59 calochortus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:50:25pm

Time to go do something useful...

60 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:51:14pm

re: #45 Interesting Times

O-kaaay...now I'm really glad I didn't donate to the so-called "Stop Kony" effort:

Invisible Children Co-Founder Detained: SDPD

Not entirely OT since Inhofe was heavily featured in the Kony video

Well, one co-founder getting wasted doesn't mean the whole thing is illegitimate.

61 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:53:45pm

A South Carolina Teacher’s Been Suspended for Reading ‘Ender’s Game’ to His Class

A middle school teacher who read to his students from Ender’s Game is on “administrative leave” because a parent complained to the school that Orson Scott Card’s classic novel is “pornographic.” The parent also went to the local police, who have not yet pressed criminal charges against the teacher, according to the Aiken, SC Standard.

Children’s advocacy group Commonsensemedia.org has recommended Ender’s Game for children aged 12 and up — and the child whose mother complained to the school and to the police was aged 14. But at the same time, the school has a policy requiring teachers to “preview” any supplemental material they present in class, so school officials can check for offensive ideas or themes, and the unnamed teacher did not do that in this case.

WTF is this horseshit?

62 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:54:27pm

re: #60 Tigger2005

Well, one co-founder getting wasted doesn't mean the whole thing is illegitimate.

Kony 2012′s Invisible Children Connected To ‘Kill The Gays’ Uganda Pastor Martin Ssempa

63 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:55:15pm

re: #61 Kragar

A South Carolina Teacher’s Been Suspended for Reading ‘Ender’s Game’ to His Class

WTF is this horseshit?

"Offensive ideas and themes."

Many people today think asking people not to pollute is offensive. There goes The Lorax.

64 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:57:28pm

My favorite part is where he explains that Nature is a "liberal" magazine.

BTW, David Wojick - the guy the Heartland Institute hired to design AGW curriculum, has worked with Inhofe for years. I had a running argument with Wojick about whether or not Intelligent Design is a scientific theory. He claims that it is. Think about that. Someone who says that ID is a scientific theory is who Inhofe thinks should be fighting the EPA "brainwashing" of his grandchildren.

65 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 1:59:07pm

re: #63 Tigger2005

"Offensive ideas and themes."

Many people today think asking people not to pollute is offensive. There goes The Lorax.

Ender's Game is so pornographic and offensive that its been the on USMC's suggested reading list for about the last 20 years.

66 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:00:37pm

re: #61 Kragar

A South Carolina Teacher’s Been Suspended for Reading ‘Ender’s Game’ to His Class

WTF is this horseshit?

It's skeerie - it might teach little Cletus ta think! Why that's the road ta Hell!

67 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:01:21pm
68 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:02:02pm

re: #65 Kragar

Ender's Game is so pornographic and offensive that its been the on USMC's suggested reading list for about the last 20 years.

This was my thought as I read the article. Pure Filth.
//

69 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:02:27pm

re: #65 Kragar

Ender's Game is so pornographic and offensive that its been the on USMC's suggested reading list for about the last 20 years.

As if Marines can read.
//

70 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:03:23pm

re: #65 Kragar

Ender's Game is so pornographic and offensive that its been the on USMC's suggested reading list for about the last 20 years.

In a world where drone pilots are getting PTSD from flying their missions, I'd damn sure want the officers to read it along with a few other important novels.

I'm not overly fond of Card as an author, stylistically, but damn, this was one of the top SF novels of the generation.

71 allegro  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:03:26pm

re: #65 Kragar

Ender's Game is so pornographic and offensive that its been the on USMC's suggested reading list for about the last 20 years.

And now they're letting the gays and lesbians in! See what happened?!!
///

72 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:03:29pm

re: #68 We are ANONYMOUS, WE ARE LEGION, we are arrested

This was my thought as I read the article. Pure Filth.
//

"My child said "The enemy gate is down", and I know he didn't read that in the Bible!"

73 jaunte  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:03:36pm

I don't know what I've done wrong, but there are all kind of weird lighting effects happening on my Twitter timeline now.
Image: Screen_shot_2012-03-16_at_4.01.50_PM.png

74 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:04:57pm

re: #69 We are ANONYMOUS, WE ARE LEGION, we are arrested

As if Marines can read.
//

Books on tape.
/

I learned the value of recycling. I used the same report on Ender's Game in High School and 8 years of active duty.

75 Alouenghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:06:36pm

BWAHAHAA!

76 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:06:39pm

re: #73 jaunte

I don't know what I've done wrong, but there are all kind of weird lighting effects happening on my Twitter timeline now.
Image: Screen_shot_2012-03-16_at_4.01.50_PM.png

LOL

block 'im.

77 Spocomptonite  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:06:58pm

If republicans determine what is taught in science classes, then do scientists determine what is taught in Sunday School?

An eye for an eye...

78 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:08:05pm

re: #73 jaunte

I don't know what I've done wrong, but there are all kind of weird lighting effects happening on my Twitter timeline now.
Image: Screen_shot_2012-03-16_at_4.01.50_PM.png

LOL I started following ASPCA and HumaneSociety and within 3 hours, I got about 15 followers. Almost all have already left. I think I'm too much of a leftist Jewish radical for them :p

Criminy, it may be time for another name change!

79 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:08:21pm

re: #77 Spocomptonite

If republicans determine what is taught in science classes, then do scientists determine what is taught in Sunday School?

An eye for an eye...

Becoming a republican automatically confers full expertise in all medical and scientific disciplines.

80 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:10:15pm

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

It's skeerie - it might teach little Cletus ta think! Why that's the road ta Hell!

It just occurred to me [I can be a little slow]: Do they take the stuff about eating from the tree of knowledge literally? Do they really think ignorance is the road to salvation?

81 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:12:41pm

re: #71 allegro

And now they're letting the gays and lesbians in! See what happened?!!
///

Orson Scott Card is a virulently anti-gay right wing nut job, if someone could actually draw a line between Ender's Game and the end of DADT he'd pretty much freak the fuck out.

82 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:13:05pm

re: #78 Leftist Jewish Radical

LOL I started following ASPCA and HumaneSociety and within 3 hours, I got about 15 followers. Almost all have already left. I think I'm too much of a leftist Jewish radical for them :p

Criminy, it may be time for another name change!

Sweet, but I'm leaving Bugs.

83 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:13:12pm

I am the very model of a modern Evangelical,
I've misinformation vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I know the Founding Fathers, and I make up facts historical
From Madison to What-his-name, in order categorical;
I'm not well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
I don't understand equations, neither simple nor quadratical,
About binomial theorem I'm completely without clues,
But have many cheerful facts which I've made up about the Jews

84 What, me worry?  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:14:21pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

It just occurred to me [I can be a little slow]: Do they take the stuff about eating from the tree of knowledge literally? Do they really think ignorance is the road to salvation?

Not sure, but it would probably also explain the misogyny. I can't keep up.

85 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:17:41pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

It just occurred to me [I can be a little slow]: Do they take the stuff about eating from the tree of knowledge literally? Do they really think ignorance is the road to salvation?

Some do. It's more the idea that too much knowledge causes doubt which to these nutjobs is the same thing as hardcore atheism. Meh, a little doubt, a little whiskey, a long night under the moon & stars? More proof of god than any theological tract I've ever read...

86 dell*nix  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:24:57pm

re: #61 Kragar

I have read that and do not remember any porn. Did I miss something?

87 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:28:16pm

From the Twitter:

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They heard about my plan!

48 wrenchwench 3/15/2012 11:53:22 am PDT

re: #43 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

The Zombie Apocalypse I'd like to see: Barry Goldwater and Teddy Roosevelt rise from the grave and descend on the Tampa convention to slap some sense into the GOP.

I'm afraid I shall soon start calling it the Tampon Convention. Because, you know, they're so into the transvaginal thing.

88 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:29:12pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

From the Twitter:

They heard about my plan!

I'm afraid I shall soon start calling it the Tampon Convention. Because, you know, they're so into the transvaginal thing.

They're white, uptight, and out of sight!

89 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:29:58pm

re: #88 Kragar

They're white, uptight, and out of sight!

Oh, man. It fits!

/you know what I meant...

90 Gus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:30:37pm

Wisconsin GOP just lost their senate majority.

Wisconsin GOP Loses Senate Majority, After Recall-Targeted GOPer Resigns

91 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:31:43pm

re: #29 calochortus

He doesn't have actual science, but he makes specific references that sound good that he can quote (presumably out of context.) If no one looks them up, then he has "proof".

Essentially the "Gish Gallop" of creationist fame. Dump a bunch of stuff into a debate of surface credibility so fast that the opponent has no chance or time to properly address it.

Wonderful (though spurious) debate tactic. Crappy science, and a crappy basis for decision making. But it sells to those who wish to be convinced.

92 freetoken  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:32:10pm

In this interview Inhofe comes off as the embodiment of the JBS stereotype, parodied so often in TV and film, of the old white guy who claims to have knowledge of some secret cabal or another nefarious plan.

How telling is it that enough of the OK electorate keeps sending him back to the Senate?

How telling is it that enough of the general American electorate believes these things that nothing is done on important issues?

93 freetoken  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:32:46pm

re: #29 calochortus

He doesn't have actual science, but he makes specific references that sound good that he can quote (presumably out of context.) If no one looks them up, then he has "proof".

"Sciencey"

94 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:33:56pm

re: #92 freetoken

In this interview Inhofe comes off as the embodiment of the JBS stereotype, parodied so often in TV and film, of the old white guy who claims to have knowledge of some secret cabal or another nefarious plan.

How telling is it that enough of the OK electorate keeps sending him back to the Senate?

How telling is it that enough of the general American electorate believes these things that nothing is done on important issues?

An all powerful, world spanning cabal which is incapable of killing those who threaten to reveal its secret plots.

95 jaunte  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:34:41pm

Reid Forces McConnell To Compromise On Judges

"...Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) filed seventeen petitions to break Senate Republican filibusters on as many judges earlier this week. Initially, McConnell reacted to these petitions with an increasingly implausible list of reasons why the Senate could not vote on these nominees right away, before finally admitting that he was opposing the nominees because Reid made Senate Republicans “look bad” by pointing out their obstructionism.

As it turns out, this was not an effective messaging strategy for Mr. McConnell, who has nowagreed to allow most of the seventeen judges to move forward:"

96 zora  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:34:47pm

re: #65 Kragar

Ender's Game is so pornographic and offensive that its been the on USMC's suggested reading list for about the last 20 years.

i read it with my boys. we had really good conversations about preemptive strikes and the bush doctrine. they were both impressed with orson scott card and we discussed mormon themes within the book as well. btw, they are making a movie and harrison ford is supposed to be graff.

97 Gus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:34:53pm

Oh. Recommended read here:

CNN Provides a Platform for a Vile Voice of the Tea Party

This may be a slightly odd, somewhat confusing post, so just hang in there. I think that the pieces will tie together … eventually...

It's about Dana Loesch, Charles, CNN, et al. Makes some good points about MMFA which kind of dovetails with some of things we discussed here this morning.

98 freetoken  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:35:14pm
99 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:35:53pm

re: #61 Kragar

A South Carolina Teacher’s Been Suspended for Reading ‘Ender’s Game’ to His Class


WTF is this horseshit?

I'm curious what part the teacher read to them.

My initial impression is that the parent heard the book title, saw it on some list he got from his pastor (or via the internet) and then literally went off half-cocked. And half expect that the parent is one of those who seek insult whenever possible.

100 Gus  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:35:57pm

re: #98 freetoken

America.

[Dobro slide.]

101 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:37:14pm

re: #99 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

and then literally went off half-cocked.

I don't wanna know what that means.

102 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:37:22pm

re: #78 Leftist Jewish Radical

LOL I started following ASPCA and HumaneSociety and within 3 hours, I got about 15 followers. Almost all have already left. I think I'm too much of a leftist Jewish radical for them :p

Criminy, it may be time for another name change!

Aren't the three terms in your nick redundant?
;)

103 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:37:44pm

Robison: "There is no question we are living in the end times."

Good, that means we won't have to put up with Robison's shit much longer.

104 freetoken  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:40:33pm

re: #27 Interesting Times

This is the general problem with most of the TV shows (and radio talking heads). Even if the host is well meaning and otherwise well educated, someone can come in and talk about a subject so specialized that the host has no real tools to counter any misinformation.

Problem is, if Maddow had asked an atmospheric scientist to come in and participate with the actual interview then Inhofe would like have backed out. It is highly unlikely he would share a stage with anybody who might make him look bad.

105 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:41:29pm

re: #101 wrenchwench

I don't wanna know what that means.

Old firearms expression.
[Link: en.wiktionary.org...]

Which is archaic, but useful to toss into some conversions because it sounds "dirty".
;)

106 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:41:57pm

re: #83 Kragar

I am the very model of a modern Evangelical,
I've misinformation vegetable, animal, and mineral,
I know the Founding Fathers, and I make up facts historical
From Madison to What-his-name, in order categorical;
I'm not well acquainted, too, with matters mathematical,
I don't understand equations, neither simple nor quadratical,
About binomial theorem I'm completely without clues,
But have many cheerful facts which I've made up about the Jews

Mind if I FB that?

107 wrenchghaziwenchghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:43:36pm

re: #105 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Old firearms expression.
[Link: en.wiktionary.org...]

Which is archaic, but useful to toss into some conversions because it sounds "dirty".
;)

Yeah, but literally?

:)

108 darthstar  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:44:04pm

re: #99 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I'm curious what part the teacher read to them.

My initial impression is that the parent heard the book title, saw it on some list he got from his pastor (or via the internet) and then literally went off half-cocked. And half expect that the parent is one of those who seek insult whenever possible.

Ooh...you said 'cock'...

Back when I was a teacher, I had parents who didn't want their kids reading Othello for religious reasons (seriously). So I gave their kids an alternate reading assignment - Margaret Atwood's A Handmaid's Tale...I figured the parents never paid attention to what the books were actually about and that their kids might learn something from Atwood. Only once did I have a mother actually get a copy for herself and read it...she came up to me after and said, "I see what you did there, but it is a very good book."

109 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:44:30pm

re: #106 Daniel Ballard

Mind if I FB that?

Feel free

110 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:50:17pm

Just noticed that FoxNews put up the story about Osama Bin Laden's plot to kill President Obama and Gen. David Petraeus. (paged here by Shiplord Kirel) [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

As crazy as the rest of the rightwing blogosphere has been on the story, it doesn't hold a candle to the sheer venom that is coming from FoxNews commenters.

From the very first page (derogatory language regarding the First Lady edited by me):

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

eslibs 10 minutes ago

Even OBL can't stand a communist. What a shame OBL didn't get Obama and the first c, * * t
1 person liked this.

Yeah, they crossed THAT line.

111 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:52:35pm

This makes sense....
Report: Invisible Children co-founder detained by police; charity made 'KONY 2012' video

A co-founder of Invisible Children, the group behind the “KONY 2012” video on alleged atrocities by an African warlord, was detained after a witness reported a man masturbating and acting strangely, NBCSanDiego.com reported.

112 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:52:57pm

NADIA NAFFE: My Time as an Accomplice to Convicted Criminal James O’keefe

I thought I could put the weekend of October 2nd, 2011 behind me. But it seems to keep popping up every time I look over my shoulder. The public is looking to me to connect the dots about what actually happened that evening which led me to file a criminal harassment complaint against James O’keefe in court.

As traumatic as this whole ordeal has been, it is indeed overshadowed by the sudden death of Andrew Breitbart, someone I once considered a dear friend. I suspect the discussion on Twitter was bound to occur at some point, given Breitbart’s fiery accusations against the Occupy Movement and his allegations of wide-spread sexual assaults. A parallel had been drawn between what happened to me at James O’keefe’s barn in New Jersey and Breitbart’s characterization about the treatment of women in the Occupy Movement. Breitbart’s detractors would claim his statements appeared disingenuous, hypocritical — and they were right. In the three days leading up to Breitbart’s death, the discussion on Twitter became all about me. I finally had to respond.

113 freetoken  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:53:21pm

re: #110 RadicalModerate

Murdoch designed Fox News to appeal to that crowd, which he thought was under-served in the US market.

Apparently he was right - it was under-served and just looking for an outlet for its ugliness.

114 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:56:54pm

re: #103 Kragar

Robison: "There is no question we are living in the end times."

Good, that means we won't have to put up with Robison's shit much longer.

Sigh. I seem to recall this dude from Tarsus saying that once upon a time. Bunch of other people since. Seems they just can't get the plain meaning of Mark 13:32. Live each day as if it might be your last? Sure. Pretend you know god's plan? Not so much :O

115 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 2:57:59pm

re: #114 William Barnett-Lewis

Sigh. I seem to recall this dude from Tarsus saying that once upon a time. Bunch of other people since. Seems they just can't get the plain meaning of Mark 13:32. Live each day as if it might be your last? Sure. Pretend you know god's plan? Not so much :O

I tried living each day like it was my last, but the repair bills and hangovers weren't worth it.

116 freetoken  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 3:02:55pm

re: #114 William Barnett-Lewis

There is much to be written (and it has been) on Jewish apocalypticism of the 1st century, and that Jesus of Nazereth was an apocalyptic Jewish preacher and thus his followers likewise are keen on the apocalyptic message.

Problem is, for Jesus his "end" about which he preached was AD70, after the final destruction of the Jewish temple by Rome (a period that lasted the roughly 3.5 years that is found in the writings compiled into the Bible).

Today's Christian apocalypticists don't seem to have gotten the memo that AD70 was "the end".

117 Kragarghazi  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 3:07:08pm
118 jaunte  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 3:08:47pm

re: #117 Kragar

Well, he is an expert in that.

119 Felineghazi, Caliph of the Conservative Jihad  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 3:09:19pm

re: #117 Kragar

Donald Trump: Windmills Are ‘Disgusting’

I presume this is a statement as a lead in to the announcement that he is running for President of the Netherlands.
/

120 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 3:20:40pm

re: #116 freetoken

There is much to be written (and it has been) on Jewish apocalypticism of the 1st century, and that Jesus of Nazereth was an apocalyptic Jewish preacher and thus his followers likewise are keen on the apocalyptic message.

Problem is, for Jesus his "end" about which he preached was AD70, after the final destruction of the Jewish temple by Rome (a period that lasted the roughly 3.5 years that is found in the writings compiled into the Bible).

Today's Christian apocalypticists don't seem to have gotten the memo that AD70 was "the end".

Considering 99% of the bible was written after the temple's destruction, that seems to be a long running problem...

121 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 3:25:18pm

re: #117 Kragar

Donald Trump: Windmills Are ‘Disgusting’

He's taking after another famous "Don" who had problems discerning between reality and fantasy:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

122 Sionainn  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 3:29:23pm

re: #99 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I'm curious what part the teacher read to them.

My initial impression is that the parent heard the book title, saw it on some list he got from his pastor (or via the internet) and then literally went off half-cocked. And half expect that the parent is one of those who seek insult whenever possible.

It's Aiken, South Carolina, land of the idiots, where I had the displeasure of attending school in second grade. Yeah, even as a second grader I recognized idiots.

123 Sionainn  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 3:31:00pm

re: #117 Kragar

Donald Trump: Windmills Are ‘Disgusting’

Me: Donald Trump's hair is disgusting.

124 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 3:40:18pm

What a complete disgrace the Republican Party has become. It's a mercy and a blessing that President Ford didn't live to see this.

125 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 4:18:39pm

re: #124 Winston Smith, Fox News Moderator

What a complete disgrace the Republican Party has become. It's a mercy and a blessing that President Ford didn't live to see this.

Heck, even Reagan. He's partly responsible for what happened to the GOP, but I'm sure he never in his darkest dreams imagined or intended this.

126 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 4:26:03pm

re: #60 Tigger2005

Well, one co-founder getting wasted doesn't mean the whole thing is illegitimate.

He's the face of the campaign. He knows that IC suffers from some credibility troubles. So he should know better than anybody to stay away from anything.

Unless it was inadvertent (accident, or someone messing with his meds), this shows that IC cannot be trusted just on the level of competency.

127 wheat-dogg  Fri, Mar 16, 2012 8:16:45pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

It just occurred to me [I can be a little slow]: Do they take the stuff about eating from the tree of knowledge literally? Do they really think ignorance is the road to salvation?

That might be part of it. And the comment that Jesus had about children belonging to the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 19:14) There's a belief among the Pentecostal/Evangelical branches that True Christians™ should be like children and put their lives in Father God's hands.

There's also a long tradition among the Baptists and Anabaptists (Quakers, for example) that pastors and preachers don't need lots of academic qualifications. All they need is a call from God. And if book learning is not a requirement for a preacher, then why do his sheep need learning, too?

Fortunately, the Quakers and others were not anti-intellectual. The same cannot be said for most conservative Christians nowadays, alas.

128 labman57  Sat, Mar 17, 2012 7:26:34am

This is why many Republicans would love to see the public education system be financially gutted and instead have the private education system be government-subsidized.

Since private schools can select student admittance based on the family's financial status and academic ability, this would create a further divide between the "haves" and "have nots" in our society. In addition, private schools would not be restricted from proselytizing religious ideology and promoting corporate-funded anti-environmental propaganda in the science classroom.

129 SpikeDad  Sat, Mar 17, 2012 9:07:33am

I'm sorry but that interview made Rachel seem like a dunce. I find it hard to believe that she wasn't prepare for his moronic attempts to deflect and ignore her questions and say whatever he wanted. And his constant patronizing Rachel and all Democrats with his swarthy complements should have caused her to blow her top.

But she didn't do that and it was a disaster for her cred.

And of course, she didn't even ask him the obvious question about why he thinks god will keep the human race from destroying the climate? Her false attempt at civility kept the interview from going anyplace as she waited out his blowhard statements.

I tweeted her that I was so disappointed. Of course, no answer either personal or generic to her fans. I'm generally agreed that polite but first discourse is the way to go but when you have a guy of such immense stupidity and ignorance on your show, you tear him up.


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