Right Wing Birtherism Is Back (Actually, It Never Left)

Birtherism = racism
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Yes, Birtherism is back. That idiotic article at breitbart.com by Joel Pollak has opened the door for the Birthers to come rushing back in, babbling incoherently.

Actually, this craziness never really went away; if you’ve read any right wing blog for the past four years, or the comments at Fox News or Free Republic, you know that the Birther delusion is deeply rooted in today’s right wing psyche. That’s why the breitbart.com article set them off in such spectacular fashion. The right is heavily invested in portraying the first black President as a dangerous, angry, un-American radical “other” from somewhere else, probably Kenya.

Here we see two spokesmen for the politically-connected American Family Association, Buster Wilson and the execrable Bryan Fischer, spouting Birther craziness and conspiracy theories while complaining that they’re being labeled as “Birthers.”

Youtube Video

And at the far right propaganda site Daily Caller, wingnut attack clown Jim Treacher (real name: Sean Medlock) has latched onto a new technique: he’s going to call anyone who criticizes Birthers “Birthers.” Yes, even President Obama himself: Why Was Obama a Birther Until He Decided to Run for President?

UPDATE at 5/20/12 12:22:56 pm

Treacher’s tweets today are bizarre and childish, as usual:

Journalism, Daily Caller style.

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381 comments
1 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 11:59:08am

There's lots of GOP officials who are birthers. It's pretty goddamn embarassing.

2 makeitstop  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:03:27pm

re: #1 Obdicut

There's lots of GOP officials who are birthers. It's pretty goddamn embarassing.

Yet they still hide behind the 'just asking questions' dodge.

Conservatives have lost the ability to stand up for their beliefs. They've always got a fall-back once everybody points out that they're talking crazy talk.

3 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:04:13pm

If the democrats know what's good for them they will associate Bryan Fischer with the mainstream GOP at every opportunity

4 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:04:50pm

re: #2 makeitstop

Yet they still hide behind the 'just asking questions' dodge.

Conservatives have lost the ability to stand up for their beliefs. They've always got a fall-back once everybody points out that they're talking crazy talk.

And that's how we win ^_^ Protray them as cowards and conspiracy theorists and fanatics

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:04:59pm

re: #3 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

If the democrats know what's good for them they will associate Bryan Fischer with the mainstream GOP at every opportunity

The mainstream GOP does precious little to disassociate itself from Fischer and his ilk.

6 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:05:37pm

Has a survey of the general public ever been done to see what percentage are bithers? I'd be surprised if it was much higher than 35.

I don't really understand what they hope to accomplish with this. I don't think anyone is going to suddenly NOT vote for Obama now because they doubt his citizenship. Folks with such beliefs are firmly in the GOP column anyway.

I really think the whole "Obama is Evil" train is starting to run out of steam, especially seeing as uw the haters have resorted to ressurecting birtherism and Jeremiah Wright.

7 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:05:40pm

re: #4 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

And that's how we win ^_^ Protray them as cowards and conspiracy theorists and fanatics

I think that the non-GOP in this country think the birthers are fucking insane at this point.

8 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:06:16pm

re: #5 Expand Your Ground

The mainstream GOP does precious little to disassociate itself from Fischer and his ilk.

Mitt agrees with four of Fischer's seven anti-gay points. And yet people claim Romney is a moderate.

9 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:07:08pm

Meet the new breed of birthers. Now they're basically saying "we're not really birthers; we're just asking questions." While using the same old birther talking points. Classic.

10 makeitstop  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:07:11pm

re: #6 dragonfire1981

Has a survey of the general public ever been done to see what percentage are bithers? I'd be surprised if it was much higher than 35.

I'd guess it's right in the neighborhood of that magic 27%. The wingnut hard core.

11 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:07:48pm

re: #9 Gus

Meet the new breed of birthers. Now they're basically saying "we're not really birthers; we're just asking questions." While using the same old birther talking points. Classic.

We're just asking questions and ignoring that they've all been answered already or are really, really stupid questions.

12 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:09:48pm

re: #11 Obdicut

We're just asking questions and ignoring that they've all been answered already or are really, really stupid questions.

It's the usual muck raking in many cases. Throw some mud and see if it sticks.

13 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:10:14pm

re: #8 Obdicut

Mitt agrees with four of Fischer's seven anti-gay points. And yet people claim Romney is a moderate.

Romney's as much of a moderate as Limbaugh and the rest of the nutjobs.

There are no more moderates in the GOP. The ones that are left are either delusional or in denial.

14 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:11:37pm

Karl Rove tried to warn the GOP about the dangers of wallowing in birtherism. He was ignored. He tried to warn them about Christine O'Donnell and got slapped down.

Says a lot about the state of the party.

15 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:13:59pm

re: #14 Expand Your Ground

Karl Rove tried to warn the GOP about the dangers of wallowing in birtherism. He was ignored. He tried to warn them about Christine O'Donnell and got slapped down.

Says a lot about the state of the party.

He's also trying to warn them about trying to resurrect the Rev. Wright attacks:

Karl Rove: Rev. Wright Ad ‘Stupid’

They'll ignore him, of course. The GOP is determined to go full retard this election, no matter the consequences.

16 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:15:17pm

How can anyone take anyone with hair that white seriously?

17 blueraven  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:17:36pm

re: #11 Obdicut

We're just asking questions and ignoring that they've all been answered already or are really, really stupid questions.

As Chris Matthews said the other night (paraphrasing): You know how you can tell if you're a birther? You talk like one.

18 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:17:39pm
...wingnut attack clown Jim Treacher has latched onto a new technique: he’s going to call anyone who criticizes Birthers “Birthers.”

Muddying the water is the new conservative technique. Confuse enough people who aren't constantly engaged with the topic and they can win.

19 Kragar  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:17:48pm

Its exactly shit like this that led me to abandon the GOP.

20 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:17:53pm

re: #16 darthstar

How can anyone take anyone with hair that white seriously?

Hey now.

Image: Gandalf_the_white_in_Fangorn.jpg

21 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:18:48pm

re: #20 Obdicut

Hey now.

Image: Gandalf_the_white_in_Fangorn.jpg

Him I'd drop acid with.

22 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:19:02pm

That Treacher post is some weapons-grade derp.

23 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:22:30pm

re: #22 Millicent Islam

That Treacher post is some weapons-grade derp.

Why that's Sean Medlock! The funniest man on the internet. [L-O-L]

24 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:24:54pm

Wow, just took a look at Treacher's Twitter timeline. He threw a major tantrum this morning.

25 Kragar  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:25:42pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Wow, just took a look at Treacher's Twitter timeline. He threw a major tantrum this morning.

Angry German kid style?

26 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:28:09pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Wow, just took a look at Treacher's Twitter timeline. He threw a major tantrum this morning.

Here's the latest for 5/20: [Link: textuploader.com...]

27 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:29:12pm

re: #26 Gus

Here's the latest for 5/20: [Link: textuploader.com...]

Shorter version:

I know you are but what am I? -- Sean Medlock

28 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:29:23pm

It's the Birth of Jim Treacher's Birther Creationism.

29 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:29:43pm

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Wow, just took a look at Treacher's Twitter timeline. He threw a major tantrum this morning.

Just found him. Is he 12 years old or something?

30 Genshed  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:31:39pm

Ugh. Treacher should go back to comic books. He was better at that.

31 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:31:47pm

Every piece of Obama's history that's proved just has a gap on either side of it.

32 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:33:50pm

re: #31 jaunte

Every piece of Obama's history that's proved just has a gap on either side of it.

Fossils are just a theory.

33 erik_t  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:34:45pm

re: #32 Gus

Fossils are just a theory.

Fossils come in layers!

34 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:34:50pm

re: #32 Gus

Anti-colonial tornado-in-a-junkyard mindset.

35 Ming  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:38:56pm

Just as an aside, I wonder if one thing that contributed to birtherism's beginings is the fact that John McCain was born in Panama. He was born on a military base, and given the position of his father in the Navy, there was never any question about his being a natural-born citizen.

I wonder if someone in the McCain camp wanted to defuse any possible controversy about McCain's birthplace with a strategy of "the best defense is a good offense". Make a fuss about the where McCain's opponent (Obama) was born, make a lot of noise, and the controversy about McCain's birth would be neutralized.

Of course, I don't remember there ever being a controversy about McCain's birthplace, so going after Obama's birthplace turned out to be unnecessary, and plain silly. Also, all these years later, it seems quite clear that the motivation for birtherism is racism, pure and simple: Obama is not "one of us". Still, birtherism is so obviously silly, that I sometimes wonder how it got started in the first place.

36 Kragar  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:39:58pm

re: #32 Gus

Fossils are just a theory.

FOSSILS ARE THE DEVIL!

37 erik_t  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:40:38pm

re: #35 Ming

Still, birtherism is so obviously silly, that I sometimes wonder about how it got started in the first place.

Because to all too many, an educated and well-spoken black man is an existential contradiction, ergo there must be something deeper, something nefarious.

You're over-thinking this.

38 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:41:17pm

re: #35 Ming

No, that posits the notion of rational thought. Birtherism is a knee-jerk reaction to Obama and everything he stands for.

39 BongCrodny  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:41:19pm

Those who can't do, Treach.

40 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:41:36pm

re: #30 Genshed

Ugh. Treacher should go back to comic books. He was better at that.

does he draw comics? Please link :D

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:42:02pm

re: #38 Expand Your Ground

No, that posits the notion of rational thought. Birtherism is a knee-jerk reaction to Obama and everything he stands for.

wait until he wins

42 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:42:06pm

re: #35 Ming

Still, birtherism is so obviously silly, that I sometimes wonder about how it got started in the first place.

I think it arose out of the swamps of the right wing blogosphere.

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:42:22pm

re: #36 Kragar

FOSSILS ARE THE DEVIL!

God is trying to trick you by hiding fake dinosaurs around

44 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:42:31pm

re: #9 Gus

Meet the new breed of birthers. Now they're basically saying "we're not really birthers; we're just asking questions." While using the same old birther talking points. Classic.

Does that bullshit tactic still work?

45 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:42:55pm

re: #44 Ghost of Insanity

Does that bullshit tactic still work?

In a laboratory setting.

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:43:25pm

re: #35 Ming

It started because bigots and politics

when you have a political party run by bigots, you get birtherism

47 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:43:35pm

re: #39 BongCrodny

Those who can't do, Treach.

I blame the Treachers unions.

//

48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:45:39pm

So Cory Booker is a total slimebag but hey

Since then, the only question in New Jersey has been when – and not if – Booker will seek to run for statewide office. In 2009, the beleaguered Jon Corzine begged him to run for lieutenant governor on his ticket, an offer that Booker wisely refused. He’s often touted as a potential gubernatorial candidate for 2013, but those who know him say his eye is more on the Senate seat now held by 88-year-old Frank Lautenberg, which will be up in 2014.

This is why it’s not at all surprising to see Booker going to bat for private equity. The allies he’s cultivated on Wall Street and in the financial industry (think, for instance, of his chummy relationship with Michael Bloomberg) have made Booker a prolific fundraiser, and when he ventured into the ultra-expensive statewide game, he’ll need them more than ever. Many of them have turned fiercely against Obama over the past few years, convinced that he’s unfairly targeted them. Booker’s words on “Meet the Press” may have enraged the average Obama supporter, but to the Wall Street class they were probably close to heroic – finally, a big-name Democrat with the cojones to call out Obama on his class warfare!

bow before the money pigs

worship the thieves

49 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:47:49pm

re: #48 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

So Cory Booker is a total slimebag but hey

bow before the money pigs

worship the thieves

Yep. After today's comments Booker is seriously in the dog house.

50 Tigger2005  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:50:05pm

I experienced a variation on the "just asking questions" excuse yesterday...the moronic global warming denier Bob King on Facebook put up one, then the other "Obama born in Kenya" snippets, with the first one saying something like "Just a mistake? Yeah right" and the next one saying "Oh geez, ANOTHER mistake?"

When I called him on his idiocy he said, "Hey, I'm just posting pictures."

51 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:52:14pm

re: #50 Tigger2005

I experienced a variation on the "just asking questions" excuse yesterday...the moronic global warming denier Bob King on Facebook put up one, then the other "Obama born in Kenya" snippets, with the first one saying something like "Just a mistake? Yeah right" and the next one saying "Oh geez, ANOTHER mistake?"

When I called him on his idiocy he said, "Hey, I'm just posting pictures."

Retort: "Hey, I'm just posting to an idiot"

52 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:53:29pm

Coming up next. Cory Booker compares birtherism to Bain Capital.

53 darthstar  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:56:36pm
54 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 20, 2012 12:57:09pm

000G is still blocked. Do we know why?

55 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:00:33pm

re: #54 Millicent Islam

Check your Twitter DMs.

56 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:01:16pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Check your Twitter DMs.

OK, thanks.

57 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:02:39pm

Treacher: "I know you are but what am I"
"I know you are but what am I"
"I know you are but what am I"

58 Kragar  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:03:59pm

re: #57 Learned Mother of Zion

Treacher: "I know you are but what am I"
"I know you are but what am I"
"I know you are but what am I"

BEHAVE YOURSELF!

59 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:07:32pm

Birtherism never went away because the president never stopped being black.

No more black president, no more birtherism.

61 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:20:40pm

re: #60 Varek Raith

RNC Chairman Says Republican Proposal For $10 Million Of Race-Baiting Anti-Obama Attack Ads Is Obama’s Fault

Yep. There it is again. Basically that's sort of like saying "the only reason we're being racist is because you were racist first!" Or something.

62 Kragar  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:21:04pm

re: #59 moderatelyradicalliberal

Birtherism never went away because the president never stopped being black.

No more black president, no more birtherism.

There are questions about Mitt Romney's place of birth.

63 Varek Raith  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:21:18pm

Link fixed.

64 Kragar  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:21:29pm

re: #61 Gus

Yep. There it is again. Basically that's sort of like saying "the only reason we're being racist is because you were racist first!" Or something.

YOU BROUGHT RACE INTO IT BY BEING BLACK!

65 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:22:01pm

re: #62 Kragar

There are questions about Mitt Romney's place of birth.

I assure you he was not born on the dark side of the moon.

66 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:22:19pm

re: #64 Kragar

YOU BROUGHT RACE INTO IT BY BEING BLACK!

Yep. The other version is "I wouldn't be racist if those black people didn't move into my neighborhood!!11ty"

67 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:27:31pm

re: #54 Millicent Islam

000G is still blocked. Do we know why?

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Check your Twitter DMs.

WTH happened with 000G, if you don't mind me asking, Charles?

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:29:32pm

RIAA lol

69 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:31:53pm

re: #60 Varek Raith

RNC Chairman Says Republican Proposal For $10 Million Of Race-Baiting Anti-Obama Attack Ads Is Obama’s Fault

Neo-klan, always

70 Targetpractice  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:33:41pm

re: #68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

RIAA lol

$75 Trillion? What, does Lars Ulrich need another gold-plated yacht?

71 smashin grab  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:36:30pm

hey let the rightwing noisemachine keep on this same meme, along with the rev wright, and other lies they keep on barking. it worked so well last time.... and people are sick of this stupidity, it isnt novel anymore.... now how about the progressive blogs keep on willard and the real story of the LDS, and what he is really about. people dont get what the LDS is trying to do. and did you notice the other day, willards white shirt was translucent and you could see he was wearing his magic undies.... it is germaine to this election. the LDS is one messed up cult.

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:36:38pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

$75 Trillion? What, does Lars Ulrich need another gold-plated yacht?

Oh lars :D


but seriously, the RIAA is death, the machinery is dying, and these are the sounds of its retching PAY US ZEVENTYELEVEN BAZILJILLION DOLLARS

73 Targetpractice  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:41:39pm

re: #72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Oh lars :D

but seriously, the RIAA is death, the machinery is dying, and these are the sounds of its retching PAY US ZEVENTYELEVEN BAZILJILLION DOLLARS

The RIAA's been a joke for years. It still confuses the fuck out of me how anyone ever took them seriously.

74 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:41:40pm

re: #71 smashin grab

now how about the progressive blogs keep on willard and the real story of the LDS, and what he is really about. people dont get what the LDS is trying to do. and did you notice the other day, willards white shirt was translucent and you could see he was wearing his magic undies... it is germaine to this election. the LDS is one messed up cult.

That is exactly what the reight-wing nutjob brainiacs cannot put together: that they do not want to open the game up to anyone really looking into the religion behind Mitt Romney.

75 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:42:03pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

$75 Trillion? What, does Lars Ulrich need another gold-plated yacht?

Think of all the jobs he would create.

//

76 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:43:03pm

RIAA could pay of the US budget deficit, bail out Europe and still have money to spare

77 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:47:57pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

The RIAA's been a joke for years. It still confuses the fuck out of me how anyone ever took them seriously.

they still have a lot of power regardless *_*

78 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:55:21pm
79 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 1:56:14pm

Ugh. This is bad.

80 Interesting Times  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:00:38pm

re: #77 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

You might be interested in this (assuming you haven't already seen it):

[Link: www.workersvoice.org...]

Dopey-eyed Kochsucker bigot Scott Walker has the Wisconsin media, airwaves, and pollsters in his pocket, outspending Barrett 25-1 or more. The Workers Voice site is supposed to have ways people outside the state can help even that money-laundered playing field.

81 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:02:14pm

Peacful protest update:
7 Arrested on Suspicion of Using Human Waste

Chicago Police arrested about seven people prior to a 2 p.m. march that began at Grant Park.

A spokesperson for Chicago Police Command Center said the arrested protesters were found with bottles filled with urine and feces.

Image: bottles+chicago.JPG

82 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:02:49pm

Oy...

Sarah Palin: Child Labor laws are causing America to fail

In a Facebook post titled “If I Wanted America to Fail, I’d Ban Kids From Farm Work,” Palin wrote,

“The Obama Administration is working on regulations that would prevent children from working on our own family farms. This is more overreach of the federal government with many negative consequences. And if you think the government’s new regs will stop at family farms, think again.”

Her post is in response to US Department of Labor’s plan to update the Fair Labor Standards Act to include the farming industry. For the first time, children would be protected on non-family owned farms. Working with pesticides, lumber mills, animals, manure pits, storage bins, and many other jobs that children are often employed to perform would be regulated. But Sarah Palin doesn’t think America needs to protect kids. She thinks child labor laws make America fail. The problem with Palin’s position is that it’s dangerous and threatens the lives of our kids. Industry has taken advantage of child workers before.

It's like all of them practice selective reading or something.

83 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:05:02pm

re: #60 Varek Raith

RNC Chairman Says Republican Proposal For $10 Million Of Race-Baiting Anti-Obama Attack Ads Is Obama’s Fault

Did Crowley call Priebus on his dumb comment, or did she let it slide because CNN is BALANCED!

I can't bring myself to watch the clip because I think I know the answer to the above.

Fun fact: Chrome spellcheck suggests chaning Priebus to Probes.

84 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:05:35pm

re: #82 dragonfire1981

She is appealing to an image of the happy farm family, sending kids out to feed the chickens and milk the cows before walking down the road to catch the schoolbus.

Modern farming is highly industrialized, and we do not let children work in factories any more than we should let them work on most farms.

85 RadicalModerate  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:08:09pm

re: #83 mattand

Did Crowley call Priebus on his dumb comment, or did she let it slide because CNN is BALANCED!

I can't bring myself to watch the clip because I think I know the answer to the above.

Fun fact: Chrome spellcheck suggests chaning Priebus to Probes.

Someone noted on the Twitter feed that if you remove all the vowels from Reince Priebus' name it gives you "RNC PR BS"

86 dragonath  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:08:33pm

re: #82 dragonfire1981

Pro child labor, pro animal abuse, pro creationism

87 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:08:40pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

Peacful protest update:
7 Arrested on Suspicion of Using Human Waste

Image: bottles+chicago.JPG

I think deep down you want a repeat of the '68 Dem convention riots so you can say "SEE! Liberals are just as bad!"

88 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:10:32pm

re: #87 mattand

I think deep down you want a repeat of the '68 Dem convention riots so you can say "SEE! Liberals are just as bad!"

No, I'm just thinking about those creeps filling all those bottles with shit and piss just wasted their time. Heh, idiots.

89 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:12:21pm

re: #84 Expand Your Ground

She is appealing to an image of the happy farm family, sending kids out to feed the chickens and milk the cows before walking down the road to catch the schoolbus.

Modern farming is highly industrialized, and we do not let children work in factories any more than we should let them work on most farms.

Absolutely, there's a big difference between teaching junior to work out in the fields of the family farm (and being sure to choose age appropriate tasks and provide good supervision) and sending him to work for pennies in a factory farm in poor conditions around dangerous equipment.

90 dragonath  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:14:50pm
"I've never been shy about leading. But you know, leaders need followers. And we've got 89 brand new members. We've got a pretty disparate caucus. It is hard to keep 218 frogs in a wheelbarrow long enough to get a bill passed."

-- House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH)

I always thought there was something weird going on with Killgore's frogs

91 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:16:06pm

re: #88 Killgore Trout

No, I'm just thinking about those creeps filling all those bottles with shit and piss just wasted their time. Heh, idiots.

I actually agree with you on that. I can't wrap my head around the thought process that considered this a good idea.

It's just that it seems whenever more than two "liberals" get together for a protest, you come swooping pointing out the idiot minority. The implication seems to be that somehow things like OWS or G8 protests are comprised of 99% violent thugs.

92 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:18:28pm

re: #91 mattand

I actually agree with you on that. I can't wrap my head around the thought process that considered this a good idea.

It's just that it seems whenever more than two "liberals" get together for a protest, you come swooping pointing out the idiot minority. The implication seems to be that somehow things like OWS or G8 protests are comprised of 99% violent thugs.

I'm not responsible for your misconceptions of my opinions. That's a you problem, not a me problem.

93 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:18:30pm

re: #67 Gitarzan

It was his request - not for bad behavior.

94 Kronocide  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:25:57pm

Only 81 more Tweets till I'm a Birther. TwitterWarrior Treacher is displaying most excellent Twitter Fu in dispatching my petty retorts.

95 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:30:43pm

re: #94 Kronocide

Only 81 more Tweets till I'm a Birther. TwitterWarrior Treacher is displaying most excellent Twitter Fu in dispatching my petty retorts.

It should stick by then.

//

96 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:35:39pm

re: #84 Expand Your Ground

She is appealing to an image of the happy farm family, sending kids out to feed the chickens and milk the cows before walking down the road to catch the schoolbus.

Modern farming is highly industrialized, and we do not let children work in factories any more than we should let them work on most farms.

An image and life that, by and large, no longer exists. Those family farms that still do exist are specifically exempted from the new rules, so the hue and cry from the likes of Palin and other RWNJs is completely false and self-serving.

It's nothing more than another bludgeon to beat President Obama over the head with; sound and fury, signifying nothing.

97 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:36:48pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

It was his request - not for bad behavior.

Image: SpockFascinating.jpg

98 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:44:20pm

Egypt: Owner of belly dancing TV station arrested

Egypt's vice police on Thursday arrested the owner of a belly dancing TV station on suspicion of operating without a license, inciting licentiousness and facilitating prostitution, a security official said.
...
The raid was prompted by complaints from viewers, the official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to brief the media.

Besides the belly dancing, the station also carries advertisements for sexual enhancement products and matchmaking messages.

Hamdy is accused of airing ads that offend public decency, the official said.

99 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:49:51pm

Ol' Dan Riehl has been spewing his usual oh-so-clever crap in Charles' direction today, so I sent him this:

Riehl's such a choad...

100 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:51:40pm

[x] Hippies
[x] Mooslims

//

101 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 2:58:08pm

Belly danging - The Middle East Restrictions

Today many Middle Eastern countries forbid women to perform the dance. During the 1950's, bellydancing was declared illegal in Egypt. After a popular uprising ensued, the government repealed the ban with one condition -- that dancers no longer show their stomachs. (That law still remains in effect.)

102 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:02:16pm


Occupy Journalists Stopped, Searched, Handcuffed & Interrogated at Gunpoint

The episode was not an isolated incident. @Ghostpickles and @Korgasm who have both been covering Occupy since the early days, reported being interrogated by CPD with others in the middle of the night.

“Ghostpickles” and “Korgasm” (and another person) were sitting by a fence on the side of the road. They were waiting for a ride when a police SUV crept up.

Earlier in the day, something similar but much worse happened. According to “Ghostpickles,” the police “jumped” them. When they went to park their car, they got out and two SUVs full of cops jumped out. The police pushed the group against the vehicles. The police would not identify themselves. They would not explain why they were being cuffed or detained. Their vehicle, including all the property inside, was impounded by the cops.

103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:02:45pm

it is fitting that Killgore is fascinated with feces instead of real news

Go play in the shit some more dude :)

104 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:04:09pm

Wis. Militia Men Brought Shotgun Ammo, Knives: Cops

Chicago Police stopped a pair of Racine, Wisconsin men Saturday who allegedly traveled to Chicago with multiple shells, extended ammunition clips and knives in their car, according Chicago Police News Affairs.

One man, Michael Yocco, of 4151 Carter Street in Racine, has been charged with unlawful use of a weapon, and possession of ammunition without a FOID card, and carrying a dangerous weapon, but not a gun, police said. The other has been released, police said.

The men were arrested on the 300 block of North Canal Street in their vehicle. Both were clad in militia outfits and their car bore anarchist flags, police said.

Police believe the men were here to protest NATO.

105 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:04:38pm

re: #99 Gitarzan

106 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:05:15pm

An interesting picture on a couple different levels.
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

107 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:06:35pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

That's a you problem, not a me problem.

Love that phrase

1st I heard it was a few years back via the radio sports talk show guy, Colin Cowherd

Been using it ever since

108 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:08:06pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

That's a you problem, not a me problem.

Love that phrase

1st I heard it was a few years back via the radio sports talk show guy, Colin Cowherd

Been using it ever since

It does come in handy. Saves a lot of time.

109 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:08:44pm

I spent the afternoon baking!

(I still have to bake the cheesecake)

110 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:09:01pm

I Am Aware of All Internet Traditions!

111 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:10:08pm

re: #109 Learned Mother of Zion

I spent the afternoon baking!

(I still have to bake the cheesecake)

Challah!

112 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:11:35pm

re: #103 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Now isn't that special!

113 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:11:57pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

That's a you problem, not a me problem.

Love that phrase

1st I heard it was a few years back via the radio sports talk show guy, Colin Cowherd

Been using it ever since

re: #108 Killgore Trout

It does come in handy. Saves a lot of time.

I'm sure it does come in handy when you want to blow someone off and avoid addressing their (possibly valid) beefs with you or something you said.

Gotcha...

114 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:12:11pm

re: #109 Learned Mother of Zion

I spent the afternoon baking!

(I still have to bake the cheesecake)

{drool}

115 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:13:45pm

re: #113 Gitarzan

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I'm sure it does come in handy when you want to blow someone off and aviod addressing their beefs with you or something you said.

Gotcha...

Yet thats not what it was used as. But I'm sure you knew that.

116 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:14:51pm

Live indie web coverage of NATO protests


In case Killgore's up to the minute poop coverage is insufficient

117 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:16:43pm

re: #113 Gitarzan

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I'm sure it does come in handy when you want to blow someone off and aviod addressing their beefs with you or something you said.

Gotcha...

I noticed that, too.

118 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:18:33pm

re: #115 sattv4u2

Yet thats not what it was used as. But I'm sure you knew that.

Well, actually, KT never did address what I asked. So, yeah, Gitarzan got it right.

119 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:18:38pm

So Chicago is going to be at least as snarky and contentious around here as OWS. Seems a shame to people coming here to learn and perhaps post. Funny thing is I was interested to see both stories-The crap bottles and the harassment on indy journalists. Both seemed perfectly good issues to raise.

120 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:18:39pm

re: #116 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Live indie web coverage of NATO protests

In case Killgore's up to the minute poop coverage is insufficient

Which one do you think will have the best angle of someone wiping their ass on a patrol car?

121 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:20:52pm

re: #120 sattv4u2

Which one do you think will have the best angle of someone wiping their ass on a patrol car?

Fox News.

122 goddamnedfrank  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:20:53pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

That's a you problem, not a me problem.

Love that phrase

1st I heard it was a few years back via the radio sports talk show guy, Colin Cowherd

Been using it ever since

trite/trīt/
Adjective:
(of a remark, opinion, or idea) Overused and consequently of little import; lacking originality or freshness.
Synonyms:
hackneyed - banal - commonplace - trivial - threadbare

123 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:21:19pm

re: #118 mattand

Well, actually, KT never did address what I asked. So, yeah, Gitarzan, got it right.

you made an assertion that he makes "The implication seems to be that somehow things like OWS or G8 protests are comprised of 99% violent thugs."

He never asserted that, therefore, as KT stated, he's

124 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:23:11pm

re: #123 sattv4u2

you made an assertion that he makes "The implication seems to be that somehow things like OWS or G8 protests are comprised of 99% violent thugs."

He never asserted that, therefore, as KT stated, he's

not responsible for your misconceptions of (his) opinions.

125 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:23:59pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

trite/trīt/
Adjective:
(of a remark, opinion, or idea) Overused and consequently of little import; lacking originality or freshness.
Synonyms:
hackneyed - banal - commonplace - trivial - threadbare

Sorta like ,,,,[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

126 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:24:53pm

[Link: www.nbcchicago.com...]

Police putting on gas masks now

127 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:25:27pm

re: #116 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Of course these are not MSM journalists. But given the pro protest stance they clearly take, I'm starting to re think calling the livestreamers independent. It's more advocacy journalism than independent.

128 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:25:48pm

re: #123 sattv4u2

you made an assertion that he makes "The implication seems to be that somehow things like OWS or G8 protests are comprised of 99% violent thugs."

He never asserted that, therefore, as KT stated, he's

Exactly, there was no question to answer. I denied the allegation and moved on.

129 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:26:13pm

re: #123 sattv4u2

you made an assertion that he makes "The implication seems to be that somehow things like OWS or G8 protests are comprised of 99% violent thugs."

He never asserted that, therefore, as KT stated, he's

not responsible for your misconceptions of my opinions.

It seems whenever there's a protest that's not Tea Party backed, KT manages to find a story about the worst element in the crowd and post it. Sorry, but there's a pattern there.

130 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:27:31pm

re: #129 mattand

It seems whenever there's a protest that's not Tea Party backed, KT manages to find a story about the worst element in the crowd and post it. Sorry, but there's a pattern there.

You obviously have no idea what your talking about.

131 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:27:59pm

re: #129 mattand

It seems whenever there's a protest that's not Tea Party backed, KT manages to find a story about the worst element in the crowd and post it. Sorry, but there's a pattern there.

Let me give you a hot tip from the kitchen

When The Tea Pratys 1st started, KT ENDLESSLY and MERCILESSLY lambasted them
Day in, Day out
so yes, there IS a pattern there. And it's been consistent

132 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:28:29pm

Our smug hero.

133 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:28:56pm

re: #129 mattand

Yup, he is an OWS & TP critic. Like there are GOP critics, Democratic party critics.

134 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:29:24pm

re: #131 sattv4u2

Let me give you a hot tip from the kitchen

When The Tea Pratys 1st started, KT ENDLESSLY and MERCILESSLY lambasted them
Day in, Day out
so yes, there IS a pattern there. And it's been consistent

People demanded I be banned for my tea party coverage here and I received many hat tips for my anti-tea party coverage.

135 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:30:15pm

re: #131 sattv4u2

so yes, there IS a pattern there. And it's been consistent

Right. Everyone's equally bad.

136 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:30:41pm

re: #129 mattand

It seems whenever there's a protest that's not Tea Party backed, KT manages to find a story about the worst element in the crowd and post it. Sorry, but there's a pattern there.

As much as I have come to dread whenever KT breaks out the banal OWS newsflashes, he was all over the TPers like white on rice first.

137 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:32:30pm

re: #135 mattand

Right. Everyone's equally bad.

Nope,, just the bad ones are! So whats the problem with pointing out the bad ones on ANY side. It just so happens that right now, the left via OWS and Chicago are in view. When the Tea Parties were going strong during the summer of '10, THEIR "bad" was exposed and lambasted one a thread by thread basis here

LED by KT

138 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:33:22pm

I'm starting to ponder where to set up for the eclipse. My 7D is in the shop but I still have my 40D, which is as good but no video capacity. Maybe Glendora mountain/ridge road. Griffith is going to be a mess.

139 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:33:52pm

re: #138 Daniel Ballard

I'm starting to ponder where to set up for the eclipse. My 7D is in the shop but I still have my 40D, which is as good but no video capacity. Maybe Glendora mountain/ridge road. Griffith is going to be a mess.

STOP TORTURING ME!!!

NO view here in the east

WWWWHHHHAAAAAAAA

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:34:39pm

re: #135 mattand

Right. Everyone's equally bad.

Such a childish perspective

THERE'S ONLY TWO SIDES, TEA PARTY AND OWS


reducing everything to the idiocy of guys throwing a ball around on a field, no wonder Americans know pro sports and can't identify anything on a map

141 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:35:37pm

re: #139 sattv4u2

STOP TORTURING ME!!!

NO view here in the east

WWWHHHAAA

Oh man that sucks. But you do have technology on your side.
[Link: sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov...]

142 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:35:57pm

re: #138 Daniel Ballard

I'm starting to ponder where to set up for the eclipse. My 7D is in the shop but I still have my 40D, which is as good but no video capacity. Maybe Glendora mountain/ridge road. Griffith is going to be a mess.

Can't wait.

143 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:36:56pm

re: #141 Daniel Ballard

Oh man that sucks. But you do have technology on your side.
[Link: sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov...]

Yeah ,, but sitting in front of my puter INSTEAD of being outside looking skyward,, not EVEN close

144 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:37:59pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

Nope,, just the bad ones are! So whats the problem with pointing out the bad ones on ANY side. It just so happens that right now, the left via OWS and Chicago are in view. When the Tea Parties were going strong during the summer of '10, THEIR "bad" was exposed and lambasted one a thread by thread basis here

LED by KT

Well, it's good that at least a few conservatives acknowledged that the TP was bad for their movement. I've noticed a pattern over last the last year or so that they when they do that, they feel compelled to point out the "other" side's shortcomings. Kind of like a penance.

145 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:39:08pm

re: #138 Daniel Ballard

I'm starting to ponder where to set up for the eclipse. My 7D is in the shop but I still have my 40D, which is as good but no video capacity. Maybe Glendora mountain/ridge road. Griffith is going to be a mess.

I'm so jealous.

146 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:39:33pm

re: #144 mattand

Well, it's good that at least a few conservatives acknowledged that the TP was bad for their movement. I've noticed a pattern over last the last year or so that they when they do that, they feel compelled to point out the "other" sides shortcomings. Kind of like a penance.

Sort of like now,,, pointing to the Tea Party when discussing OWS?

Like that?

147 sagehen  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:40:49pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

Nope,, just the bad ones are! So whats the problem with pointing out the bad ones on ANY side. It just so happens that right now, the left via OWS and Chicago are in view. When the Tea Parties were going strong during the summer of '10, THEIR "bad" was exposed and lambasted one a thread by thread basis here

LED by KT

Can we at least admit that if the left is so vehement about protesting Obama, it must be because they don't think he's one of them?

They've been complaining about that for several years actually -- it's much to their dismay that he's not at all a leftist. He's a pragmatic, incrementalist centrist; no matter how many times the right wing tries to call him a socialist or a radical he just isn't.

148 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:41:11pm

re: #144 mattand

it's good that at least a few conservatives acknowledged that the TP was bad for their movement.
And another hot flash from the kitchen

KT has been called many things (even some via me), but "conservative" ain't one of them

149 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:41:43pm

re: #144 mattand

Well, it's good that at least a few conservatives acknowledged that the TP was bad for their movement.

Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not a conservative and I never was.

150 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:41:50pm

Haven't heard about the Tea Klux Klan for a while now.

151 sattv4u2  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:42:04pm

off to hunt down the families dinner needs

152 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:42:16pm

re: #150 Gus

Haven't heard about the Tea Klux Klan for a while now.

Make that Tea Klux Klan.

153 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:43:35pm

Forming a new group. I'm gonna call it the National Association for the Advancement of Rich People. It'll be the N-Double-A-R-P. NAARP. To help protect the rich from hate and bigotry. I'm taking donations.

154 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:43:50pm

Just saw a tweet from BBC, Robin Gibbs passed?

Rest In Peace.

155 goddamnedfrank  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:45:13pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not a conservative and I never was.

Right, you're a true neutral Druid, the arbiter of balance.

156 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:45:48pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not a conservative and I never was.

If you say so. I'm very skeptical of the the whole "I'm an independent" thing.

157 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:46:13pm

re: #153 Gus

Forming a new group. I'm gonna call it the National Association for the Advancement of Rich People. It'll be the N-Double-A-R-P. NAARP. To help protect the rich from hate and bigotry. I'm taking donations.

Careful. you might wind up being a rich guy like that.

158 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:46:31pm

re: #157 Daniel Ballard

Careful. you might wind up being a rich guy like that.

I'll be all set then.

159 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:46:52pm

re: #157 Daniel Ballard

Careful. you might wind up being a rich guy like that.

I'm not sending him a dime!

160 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:48:23pm

re: #156 mattand

If you say so. I'm very skeptical of the the whole "I'm an independent" thing.

I'm not an independent wither. Since you just keep making allegations can't be bothered to ask me to learn I'll tell you that I'm a Classical Liberal (more or less)

161 Daniel Ballard  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:49:13pm

GTG to kind my spot, have a fine evening folks. I'm about to find the upper limit of exposure for a DSLR. I'm hoping for a bit of eclipse left at sunset but that may be a bit late. Fingers crossed...

162 Flounder  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:51:24pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

uhoh

163 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:51:25pm

Stop Occupying My Wedding!!! Lol...

164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:51:44pm

re: #150 Gus

Haven't heard about the Tea Klux Klan for a while now.

it turns out that there's nothing an invented Dick Armey group has to do with actual grassroots protesting :D


As much as the authoritarian oldsters here fuss and complain and copypasta links day after day about OWS, they already got theirs, they're already sitting pretty with cash, property, families, good jobs that they won't be shitcanned from at a moment's notice, so of course they don't care.

Doens't affect them! They got theirs. Satisfied and safe.

Whereas young people who are being fucked over in this depression (and I agree with Krugman, that is what it is) we see things differently.

The rules have been fixed, income inequality is vast compared to 30 years ago, and that's just a fact. And likely irreversible.

But I digress! Stay turned for Killgore's very important poop coverage! We're so proud! Keeping us up to date! LGF's finest journalist! I'll be over where the actual coverage is, with the "koskids" and other such enemies of america :D

165 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:52:14pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Wis. Militia Men Brought Shotgun Ammo, Knives: Cops

There are a lot of disconnects in that story. Very few shotguns use removable magazines (the clips?). Never caught a story of Black Bloc in camo (militia"?) drag, or militia with the anarchist "A". Someone seems to be out of uniform.

166 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:52:33pm

re: #164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

DailyKos is takin' over teh universe!!

167 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:52:55pm

re: #162 Tommy's cone of shame

uhoh

I read as far as Mises.

168 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:53:22pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Once again, you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not a conservative and I never was.

For me it was your glee at seeing young people getting maced & pounded by cops. I don't recall you reacting like that with the TPers. But, hey, that's a me problem. By all means...

169 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:54:50pm

re: #166 Gus

DailyKos is takin' over teh universe!!

A top rated diary!!!!

170 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:54:57pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

I'm not an independent wither. Since you just keep making allegations can't be bothered to ask me to learn I'll tell you that I'm a Classical Liberal (more or less)

Interesting stuff. Reads like a less psychotic version of libertarianism.

Edit: at least as practiced currently.

171 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:56:04pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

There are a lot of disconnects in that story. Very few shotguns use removable magazines (the clips?). Never caught a story of Black Bloc in camo (militia"?) drag, or militia with the anarchist "A". Someone seems to be out of uniform.

I googled the dude earlier. He has a previous history of domestic disputes, and "accidental" shootings, etc. The seem like rednecks who might have just left the ammo in the trunk. Judging from the charges it doesn't look like there's any evidence they had anything planned.

172 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:58:37pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

Classical liberals don't support torture-- I guess that'd be part of the 'less'.

Really, 'classical liberal' is massively ill-defined and mostly used these days by libertarians who are embarrassed about it. It has most of the deficits of libertarianism as well.

173 Amory Blaine  Sun, May 20, 2012 3:59:02pm

Congressmen Seek To Lift Propaganda Ban

An amendment that would legalize the use of propaganda on American audiences is being inserted into the latest defense authorization bill, BuzzFeed has learned.

The amendment would “strike the current ban on domestic dissemination” of propaganda material produced by the State Department and the Pentagon, according to the summary of the law at the House Rules Committee's official website.

The tweak to the bill would essentially neutralize two previous acts—the Smith-Mundt Act of 1948 and Foreign Relations Authorization Act in 1987—that had been passed to protect U.S. audiences from our own government’s misinformation campaigns.

The bi-partisan amendment is sponsored by Rep. Mac Thornberry from Texas and Rep. Adam Smith from Washington State.

174 Amory Blaine  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:00:06pm

re: #120 sattv4u2

Which one do you think will have the best angle of someone wiping their ass on a patrol car?

Hey, pine cones fuckin' hurt man.

175 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:02:03pm

re: #172 Obdicut

Classical liberals don't support torture-- I guess that'd be part of the 'less'.

Really, 'classical liberal' is massively ill-defined and mostly used these days by libertarians who are embarrassed about it. It has most of the deficits of libertarianism as well.

I'll scour Locke's writings to see if I can still support drone strikes.

176 freetoken  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:02:16pm

re: #173 Amory Blaine

That's something about which the electorate and TV talking-heads ought to fret.

Instead, the minions are consumed with birther crap.

177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:02:26pm

re: #168 CuriousLurker

For me it was your glee at seeing young people getting maced & pounded by cops. I don't recall you reacting like that with the TPers. But, hey, that's a me problem. By all means...

TPers are old!


OWS protesters are young, so they must be beaten into shape for being uppity


I've never met a pro-torture pro-police-brutality authoritarian neo-classical liberal before, every day brings new wonders :D

178 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:04:49pm

Testing new image popup code in Spy mode:

Image: ZZ2D3E95F4.jpg

179 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:06:22pm

re: #177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

TPers are old!

OWS protesters are young, so they must be beaten into shape for being uppity

I've never met a pro-torture pro-police-brutality authoritarian neo-classical liberal before, every day brings new wonders :D

Pro-torture? Or "pro-enhanced interrogation as espoused by John Yoo"?

180 freetoken  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:06:30pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Works in the thread Spy, but not in the overall Spy.

181 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:07:41pm

re: #180 freetoken

Works in the thread Spy, but not in the overall Spy.

Worked on the Master Spy after I did a Ctl + F5.

182 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:08:47pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

I'll scour Locke's writings to see if I can still support drone strikes.

See, that's the thing. Classical liberalism belongs to the 18th century. Declaring yourself a classical liberal now, post-labor movement, post-suffrage, post-New Deal, is not in any way clear.

I mean, does it mean that you agree with the classical liberals who thought that poverty was a good thing, that starvation would help limit population growth?

Do you think that government should act to smash unions?

Are you saying that you think that private property rights are the highest good? That laissez-faire economics are what you prefer, and labor rights are unjust interferences in those rights?

Or are you just picking a term with enough vagueness and wiggle room to support your lazy, inconsistent contrarianism?

I still think you should just say you're a performance artist. It'd be easier than claiming a coherent philosophy.

183 dragonath  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:09:02pm

re: #176 freetoken

And the existential threat of OWS

184 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:10:28pm

re: #160 Killgore Trout

I'm not an independent wither. Since you just keep making allegations can't be bothered to ask me to learn I'll tell you that I'm a Classical Liberal (more or less)

Ah, see? I knew I had Classical Liberalism somewhere in my database. Interestingly, both write-ups come from the right.

From the Heartland Institute:
No. 106 - A Guide to Classical Liberal Think Tanks

From the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA):
What Is Classical Liberalism?

There was another form some European conservative group, but I can't find it at the moment. Perhaps they're co-opting Classical Liberalism, I wouldn't know as I don't know that much about all fine distinctions WRT to political ideologies.

185 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:10:30pm

re: #168 CuriousLurker

For me it was your glee at seeing young people getting maced & pounded by cops. I don't recall you reacting like that with the TPers. But, hey, that's a me problem. By all means...

Yah, that was it.

186 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:11:12pm

re: #181 Gus

Worked on the Master Spy after I did a Ctl + F5.

Same here.

187 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:11:14pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

There are a lot of disconnects in that story. Very few shotguns use removable magazines (the clips?). Never caught a story of Black Bloc in camo (militia"?) drag, or militia with the anarchist "A". Someone seems to be out of uniform.

Elements of the far right also protest NATO. In fact, it's very likely that the Stormfronters who were attacked in the restaurant were in Chicago for the protests, with the "economic summit" as a bonus activity. They see NATO as a tool of Zionists, etc. A lot of Paulian isolationists really hate NATO as well. To them, it is a "foreign entanglement" of the kind about Washington warned us. To real bat guano survivalist types, NATO is a prime source of the foreign authority (and troops) Obama will use to enforce the big roundup of dissidents and their guns and Bibles.

188 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:11:19pm

re: #154 Daniel Ballard

Just saw a tweet from BBC, Robin Gibbs passed?

Rest In Peace.

I just saw that too.

Man it's been a rough week for Disco fans. I noticed that Gibb was almost the same age as Donna Summer (62 and 63 respectively) and they both died of cancer.

189 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:11:51pm

re: #177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

TPers are old!

OWS protesters are young, so they must be beaten into shape for being uppity

I've never met a pro-torture pro-police-brutality authoritarian neo-classical liberal before, every day brings new wonders :D

Don't get old.

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:13:07pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Don't get old.

I've got this Tardis but I haven't read the manual yet :D

191 dragonath  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:14:21pm

I wonder why people use the term "classical liberalism", is European social liberalism too soft or something?

192 Mattand  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:14:23pm

re: #190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I've got this Tardis but I haven't read the manual yet :D

Apparently stating "I'm not aging, starrrrting... NOW" doesn't work either.

193 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:14:30pm

re: #190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

I've got this Tardis but I haven't read the manual yet :D

That's because young people are lazy and illiterate.

194 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:14:40pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

Don't get old.

Seems appropriate:

Youtube Video
195 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:15:48pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

That's because young people are lazy and illiterate.

and they carry zipguns and smoke left-handed cigarettes

196 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:16:03pm

re: #184 CuriousLurker

From the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA):
What Is Classical Liberalism?

That's actually a very good synopsis. Much clearer than the Wiki article I linked to earlier.

197 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:17:09pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

That's because young people are lazy and illiterate.

speaking of manuals, I've been having to deal with this self-inflicted hell lately

198 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:17:43pm

re: #191 Be Zorch, Daddio

I wonder why people use the term "classical liberalism", is European social liberalism too soft or something?

Classical liberalism is actually closer to today's Tea Party than contemporary Liberals in terms of political beliefs.

I don't know who here has read/suffered through Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism but in that book he goes on at GREAT length about the distinct differences between modern Liberalism and "classical liberalism". I put that in quote as I'm not sure Goldberg uses the correct facts about classical liberalism in his book. It could well be he presents a view of it designed to match the aim of the book which is, obviously, to vilify modern Liberals.

This is same book by the way, that dedicates a whole chapter to the argument that Hitler was, in fact, a raging Left winger.

199 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:18:18pm

re: #191 Be Zorch, Daddio

I wonder why people use the term "classical liberalism", is European social liberalism too soft or something?

They are pretty different philosophies. There's some cross over but they're very different.

200 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:19:42pm

re: #197 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

speaking of manuals, I've been having to deal with this self-inflicted hell lately

Huh

201 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:20:19pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

They are pretty different philosophies. There's some cross over but they're very different.

Mises!!!

202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:20:40pm

re: #198 dragonfire1981

Classical liberalism is actually closer to today's Tea Party than contemporary Liberals in terms of political beliefs.

I don't know who here has read/suffered through Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism but in that book he goes on at GREAT length about the distinct differences between modern Liberalism and "classical liberalism". I put that in quote as I'm not sure Goldberg uses the correct facts about classical liberalism in his book. It could well be he presents a view of it designed to match the aim of the book which is, obviously, to vilify modern Liberals.

This is same book by the way, that dedicates a whole chapter to the argument that Hitler was, in fact, a raging Left winger.

if classical liberalism = "limited government", I can pretty much say I am revolted by the concept, considering what limited government in the financial sector has gotten us in the past few years

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:21:03pm

re: #200 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Huh

welcome to the world of electronic music

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:21:15pm

re: #200 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Huh

it's exactly as glamorous as it looks

205 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:21:27pm

re: #194 dragonfire1981

Seems appropriate:

[Embedded content]

Creeped me out. I almost quit watching halfway through because the daddy part kept saying: "You're going to cut your damn finger off".

206 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:22:00pm

Lockerbie bomber dies of cancer in Libya.

207 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:22:34pm

re: #198 dragonfire1981

No, he's reasonably correct. Classical liberalism is against social liberalism-- against the government helping out the poor. It's anti-labor-- one of the duties of the state under classical liberalism is to smash unions as a barrier to free trade. It enshrines property rights as among the highest rights, and is suspicious of anything other than the most minor, law-and-order and contract-enforcing form of government. "Classical liberal", in the modern paradigm, is 'conservative'.

208 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:22:39pm

re: #197 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

speaking of manuals, I've been having to deal with this self-inflicted hell lately

Not my world--still trying to figure out my 8-track.

209 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:22:39pm

re: #202 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

if classical liberalism = "limited government", I can pretty much say I am revolted by the concept, considering what limited government in the financial sector has gotten us in the past few years

The definition of Classical liberalism in the wiki article mentioned above is as follows:

Classical liberalism is the philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, constitutionalism, rule of law, due process, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets

Now tell me if this philosophy sounds familiar at all...

210 PhillyPretzel  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:22:44pm

re: #206 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Yes it was a story on yahoo.

211 bratwurst  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:22:47pm

re: #204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

it's exactly as glamorous as it looks

I don't know if "glamorous" is the word for this guy, but he makes it look damn cool:

Youtube Video
212 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:23:21pm

re: #204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

it's exactly as glamorous as it looks

Show me the end result. I don't need to know the mechanics, although I'll appreciate it.

213 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:23:24pm

NYC's First Million Dollar Parking Spot to Hit Market

The private parking spot is located inside an eight-story luxury condominium building at 66 E. 11th St., and will come with its own deed and sales contract, the New York Post reports. Like a condo, it will be charged maintenance fees.

214 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:24:06pm

NATO Summit-Related Events:

NATO After Afghanistan: A View from Europe

Over the last two decades, NATO has attempted to redefine itself to become a more flexible and dynamic military alliance. Since joining in 1999, Poland has played a critical role in NATO...Please join The Chicago Council on Global Affairs with His Excellency Radosław Sikorski for a discussion on NATO after Afghanistan.

Radosław Sikorski

Radosław (Radek) Tomasz Sikorski [raˈdɔswaf ɕiˈkɔrskʲi] ( listen) (born 23 February 1963 in Bydgoszcz), is a Polish politician and journalist. He served as Deputy Minister of National Defense (1992) in Jan Olszewski's Cabinet and Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs (1998–2001) in Jerzy Buzek's Cabinet. He was also Minister of National Defense (2005–2007) in Jarosław Kaczyński's Cabinet. He is presently Minister of Foreign Affairs in Donald Tusk's Cabinet since 2007.

Party: Civic Platform

Civic Platform:

The Civic Platform combines ordoliberal stances on the economy with liberal conservative stances on social and ethical issues, including opposition to abortion, same-sex marriage, soft drug decriminalisation, euthanasia, fetal stem cell research, removal of crosses and other religious symbols in schools and public places, and partially to wide availability of in vitro fertilisation...

215 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:24:22pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Not my world--still trying to figure out my 8-track.

You don't want it, trust me, it's like a drug addiction

216 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:25:19pm

Australian Politician says IVF for Lesbians a threat to men

A PUSH to allow lesbians access to IVF is undermining the traditional family and writing off fathers, Liberal MP Martin Hamilton-Smith says.

Labor MP Ian Hunter has introduced a Bill to Parliament to allow fertile same-sex couples, or single women, to access assisted reproductive technology.

It has passed the Upper House on a conscience vote and is being debated by Lower House MPs. Only women deemed infertile can now access IVF, which is part government-funded.

Mr Hamilton-Smith has spoken against the Bill, saying he is "standing up for the role of the father in child rearing".

A father of a son, stepson and stepdaughter himself, Mr Hamilton-Smith said the proposed law was "undermining the fabric of society ... undermining the family unit as it has traditionally been known".

He said it would allow a woman to "go out and, through an act of technology, have a child out of wedlock without any father being involved at any time".

"They can decide to just go off and have a baby using IVF ... I am just going to have this child; it is all about me ... I think there is something wrong about that," he said.

While Mr Hamilton-Smith said gay relationships "deserve to be valued and accepted by the community" he stopped short of supporting gay marriage or access to IVF.

I don't know much about Australian politics but something seems backward here. A LIBERAL politician is saying these things?

217 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:27:07pm

re: #213 jaunte

NYC's First Million Dollar Parking Spot to Hit Market

Ah. Nice. I'm reading in vanity fair right now about the richest dude in India (& #19 worldwide) who with his wife built a 27 story, 400 sq ft home in Mumbai. It's very nice......

218 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:27:18pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

That's actually a very good synopsis. Much clearer than the Wiki article I linked to earlier.

Okay y'all, he walked right into the trap, so we've got 'im pinned down now. Somebody draw up a chart or checklist of some kind, and if anything KT says strays from the synopsis, then—*BLAM*—we pile on him for not sticking to his self-proclaimed philosophy. // LOL

219 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:27:59pm

re: #216 dragonfire1981

Heh. Yeah, as opposed to labor, they're the more conservative party in Australia, also 'classically liberal'.

220 ProGunLiberal  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:28:03pm

re: #216 dragonfire1981

Liberal is Right, Labor is Left in Australia.

The Liberal Party is the same one that refused to apologize to the Aborigines, and at times has said the Stolen Generation never happened.

221 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:28:09pm

re: #217 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

I remember reading about that; if they have a helicopter pad they might never have to touch the ground.

222 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:28:10pm

re: #211 bratwurst


Oh the performances are glamourous! Because all the homework is done :D The troubleshooting of control changes and screaming in inchoate rage because your MIDI controller refuses to be recognized by your recording interface, less so ^_^;

223 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:29:14pm

Classical liberals have more columns and meanders.

224 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:29:14pm

re: #217 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Ah. Nice. I'm reading in vanity fair right now about the richest dude in India (& #19 worldwide) who with his wife built a 27 story, 400 sq ft home in Mumbai. It's very nice...

400k

225 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:29:15pm

re: #198 dragonfire1981

Classical liberalism is actually closer to today's Tea Party than contemporary Liberals in terms of political beliefs.

I don't know who here has read/suffered through Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism but in that book he goes on at GREAT length about the distinct differences between modern Liberalism and "classical liberalism". I put that in quote as I'm not sure Goldberg uses the correct facts about classical liberalism in his book. It could well be he presents a view of it designed to match the aim of the book which is, obviously, to vilify modern Liberals.

This is same book by the way, that dedicates a whole chapter to the argument that Hitler was, in fact, a raging Left winger.

The thing to keep in mind about people like Goldberg, Barton and Glenn Beck is they are historical revisionists. Classical liberalism was a well documented influence on the founding fathers and our Constitution so historical revisionists have an interest in adapting it to their modern political goals. Anything Glenn Beck and Goldberg say about the philosophy of John Locke, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin or Adolf Hitler can safely be ignored as revisionist bullshit.

226 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:29:37pm

re: #220 ProGunLiberal

Liberal is Right, Labor is Left in Australia.

The Liberal Party is the same one that refused to apologize to the Aborigines, and at times has said the Stolen Generation never happened.

Well if that's not confusing as hell as I don't know what is.

227 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:29:52pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Not my world--still trying to figure out my 8-track.

I just dug out my old VCR to use to sample stuff, it turns out I miss the thing, it was a blast playing with it

228 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:30:51pm

re: #217 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Ah. Nice. I'm reading in vanity fair right now about the richest dude in India (& #19 worldwide) who with his wife built a 27 story, 400 sq ft home in Mumbai. It's very nice...

Either that's a typo or we're talking about a building that will be thin as a rail.

229 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:31:04pm

re: #218 CuriousLurker

Okay y'all, he walked right into the trap, so we've got 'im pinned down now. Somebody draw up a chart or checklist of some kind, and if anything KT says strays from the synopsis, then—*BLAM*—we pile on him for not sticking to his self-proclaimed philosophy. // LOL

I'll just stick to the total lack of empathy with the pepper sprayed student. And the daily weird contrairianism.

230 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:31:08pm

re: #228 dragonfire1981

Spaceneedle!

231 [deleted]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:31:54pm
232 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:32:53pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

The thing to keep in mind about people like Goldberg, Barton and Glenn Beck is they are historical revisionists. Classical liberalism was a well documented influence on the founding fathers and our Constitution so historical revisionists have an interest in adapting it to their modern political goals. Anything Glenn Beck and Goldberg say about the philosophy of John Locke, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin or Adolf Hitler can safely be ignored as revisionist bullshit.

And you know, I didn't know much of anything about Goldberg before I read the book (or at least tried to, I never finished it) and going through it (which is daunting, it's a challenging read, Goldberg's not the greatest writer) I just kept thinking the stuff this was guy was saying seemed a little "off". It just didn't seem to fit the historical events which he was referring to. I guess I should have known better.

233 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:33:05pm

re: #213 jaunte

NYC's First Million Dollar Parking Spot to Hit Market

Wants occupying.

234 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:33:09pm

re: #223 jaunte

Classical liberals have more columns and meanders.

I consider myself a Corinthian Liberal.

235 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:33:20pm

re: #228 dragonfire1981

Either that's a typo or we're talking about a building that will be thin as a rail.

Ya, oops.

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:33:36pm

the police culture in America has changed

237 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:34:00pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

The thing to keep in mind about people like Goldberg, Barton and Glenn Beck is they are historical revisionists. Classical liberalism was a well documented influence on the founding fathers and our Constitution so historical revisionists have an interest in adapting it to their modern political goals. Anything Glenn Beck and Goldberg say about the philosophy of John Locke, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin or Adolf Hitler can safely be ignored as revisionist bullshit.

Not really, in this case. Classical liberalism really does diverge, as you admit easily, from modern liberalism. The main way that it diverges is over the subjects of labor rights, welfare rights, etc. Classical liberals do not believe that the government should-- on a moral or economic level-- provide welfare and subsidence to its citizens.

The change from the 18th century largely agrarian existence to the more modern and industrialized nation, and the expansion of the franchise of voting to a much broader class of people than under Jefferson, Franklin, Paine etc. made classical liberalism an archaic philosophy, unsuited to the modern world.

The historical revisionism, I'd say, would be pretending that 'classical liberal' has meaning when applied to the 21st century.

238 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:34:01pm

re: #233 Decatur Deb

Any occupiers will also be charged a maintenance fee.

239 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:34:05pm

re: #234 Gus

I consider myself a Corinthian Liberal.

I consider myself a Carpathian Liberal:

Image: vigo3.jpg

240 dragonfire1981  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:34:23pm

re: #235 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Ya, oops.

No problem, you can't beat that kind of comedy value.

241 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:35:50pm

re: #234 Gus

I consider myself a Corinthian Liberal.

What's a Corinthian urn?

242 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:36:23pm

re: #240 dragonfire1981

No problem, you can't beat that kind of comedy value.

Maybe that's just the 20' x 20' footprint.

//

243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:36:25pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

What's a Corinthian urn?

and does it match my rich corinthian leather

244 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:36:37pm

re: #232 dragonfire1981

And you know, I didn't know much of anything about Goldberg before I read the book (or at least tried to, I never finished it) and going through it (which is daunting, it's a challenging read, Goldberg's not the greatest writer) I just kept thinking the stuff this was guy was saying seemed a little "off". It just didn't seem to fit the historical events which he was referring to. I guess I should have known better.

...And the wingnuts totally and completely swallowed his thing about Hitler being a leftists. It's very frustrating to try to talk politics with someone who can't understand the very basic left-right concept. He's a complete dick but I'll hand it to him. It was a huge accomplishment.

245 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:37:19pm

re: #234 Gus

I consider myself a Corinthian Liberal.

The Corinthian is one of Gaiman's best bad guys, though Dream does really fuck him up in the end.

Image: corinthian.jpg

246 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:37:19pm

re: #236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

the police culture in America has changed

Officer Motocross.

247 Stanghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:37:47pm

re: #236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

the police culture in America has changed

Someone tweeted earlier - these outfits/tanks/equip were bought with the homeland freakout security funds. Yay fear!

248 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:37:58pm

re: #244 Killgore Trout

Heh. And what, Killgore, is the 'very basic left-right concept'?

249 Amory Blaine  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:38:03pm

re: #224 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

400k

LOL. 400 ft.^2 @ 27 stories would be a flagpole.

250 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:38:07pm

doesn't Tom Friedman refer to himself as a classical liberal #killme

251 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:38:46pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Officer Motocross.

they're looking more and more like characters from video games

252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:39:21pm

re: #247 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Someone tweeted earlier - these outfits/tanks/equip were bought with the homeland freakout security funds. Yay fear!

9/11 never forget never forgettin


them twin towarz came down so we gots to fight back gainst the hippiez

253 dragonath  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:40:13pm

re: #232 dragonfire1981

I'm pretty sure I've seen material German Nationalists (DNVP, Nazis) were putting out propaganda saying the social liberal parties were "Jewish" parties.

Hjalmar Schacht was one of the liberals that the Nazis were able to co-opt early on.

254 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:40:15pm

re: #231 ProGunLiberal

While I don't know KT in meatspace and I certainly don't agree with him all the time here at LGF, your comment seems out of line.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself, youngun...

255 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:40:30pm

re: #250 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

doesn't Tom Friedman refer to himself as a classical liberal #killme

He might. I disagree with him a lot but The World is Flat is a very good book.

256 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:41:23pm

re: #254 Gitarzan

ProGunLiberal is a rageaholic.

257 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:41:44pm

re: #254 Gitarzan

While I don't know KT in meatspace and I certainly don't agree with him all the time here at LGF, your comment seems out of line.

Check yourself before you wreck yourself, youngun...

No worries, It's hardly the worst insult I've suffered today. Not even the worst on this thread.

258 goddamnedfrank  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:41:50pm

re: #224 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

400k

You talking about Antilia? Jesus that thing is ugly.

My favorite bit of ostentatious craziness:

"There’s also a room where you can create artificial weather."

That guy better have an entire division of Gurkhas garrisoned in there for when the shit hits the fan.

259 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:41:52pm

I'm a liberal who likes Gallupi and Smetana, but I don't think that counts.

260 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:41:59pm

re: #236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

the police culture in America has changed

That's all over the world. But I agree that the police in the USA (and across the world) has morphed into a para-military organization complete with armored vehicles, air supports, sniper teams, etc. A lot of these changes took place soon after 9/11. There was a lot money flowing around so a lot of small town police departments took advantage of this and took part in changing into para-military organizations. Along the way came the expansion of police powers not limited to those found in the Patriot Act but through court decisions. Now I'm not saying we live in some tyrannical state but the means for running a tyrannical state are certainly there.

261 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:43:08pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Seriously, Killgore, can you explain what the 'very basic left-right concept' is?

262 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:43:56pm

biab

263 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:44:55pm

re: #261 Obdicut

Seriously, Killgore, can you explain what the 'very basic left-right concept' is?

Google it. I'm not going to play stupid word games with you.

264 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:45:51pm

re: #82 dragonfire1981

Oy...

Sarah Palin: Child Labor laws are causing America to fail

Does this mean she'll be putting her kids out into the fields to work, then?

Yeah. That's what I thought.

It's like all of them practice selective reading or something.

Selective reality. They refuse to acknowledge anything that came after the antebellum South. Or after the Age of Reason.

265 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:46:20pm

re: #260 Gus

That's all over the world. But I agree that the police in the USA (and across the world) has morphed into a para-military organization complete with armored vehicles, air supports, sniper teams, etc. A lot of these changes took place soon after 9/11. There was a lot money flowing around so a lot of small town police departments took advantage of this and took part in changing into para-military organizations. Along the way came the expansion of police powers not limited to those found in the Patriot Act but through court decisions. Now I'm not saying we live in some tyrannical state but the means for running a tyrannical state are certainly there.

The police chief of Gadsden, Alabama found that he has two drones. He doesn't know why:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

266 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:46:42pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

Google it. I'm not going to play stupid word games with you.

I didn't think so.

There is no basic left-right concept. Most ideas found on the 'left' can, at various times, be found on the 'right'. Politics and philosophy are far too complex to exist on a linear scale.

267 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:46:51pm

re: #243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

and does it match my rich corinthian leather

When I think of Khan Noonien Singh, I can't think of anyone else who could have played him but Ricardo Montalbán.

He matched the Shat quite well in the level of schmaltziness displayed in Wrath of Khan.

268 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:46:54pm

Tom Friedman: wanker of the decade

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:47:07pm

re: #266 Obdicut

I didn't think so.

There is no basic left-right concept. Most ideas found on the 'left' can, at various times, be found on the 'right'. Politics and philosophy are far too complex to exist on a linear scale.

bolded for emphasis

270 ProGunLiberal  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:47:51pm

re: #256 Obdicut

What else do I have? Family sucks, I feel completely isolated, and am coming to accept that, no matter I much I work on trying to fix my Autism, that I am not important to other people in meatspace.

At least anger isn't depression. Only 2-3 people in MSA at OU know exactly how bad my mental state is.

271 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:48:16pm

re: #265 Decatur Deb

Thank god they didn't blow that money on something like drug diversion courts, channeling first-time offenders into recidivism protection programs, or even just the pension fund for the cops.

272 wrenchwench  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:49:38pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

What's a Corinthian urn?

Euros this week, perhaps Drachmas next week.

273 ProGunLiberal  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:50:00pm

re: #271 Obdicut

Homeland Security: You're doin wrong.

274 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:50:46pm

re: #272 wrenchwench

Euros this week, perhaps Drachmas next week.

Yeah, that.

275 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:51:06pm

BBL

276 dragonath  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:52:33pm

re: #243 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Youtube Video
277 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:52:38pm

re: #270 ProGunLiberal

What else do I have?

I'm sorry that your various mental problems cause you such agony. I really am. But you're letting them absolutely define you as a person. You're saying you're completely impotent to push back against them whatsoever, and that your solution is just that you're going to indulge your rage addiction-- which is, if I'm not mistaken, one of the very first problems you were ever diagnosed with.

You're not going to attain mental health by pitting some of your demons against your other demons. Expression of anger isn't going to get you intimacy with anyone.

Autists really are behind ten different eight-balls in our society, and it really sucks for you, but you're not making it easier on yourself by indulging your anger; the anger is not a solution, the anger is part of the problems that you have. You know this.

278 jaunte  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:53:16pm
279 Obdicut  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:55:16pm

And fuck, I am actually running a fever. Goddamn it.

I'm going to go mainline some theraflu.

280 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 4:58:40pm

re: #270 ProGunLiberal

What else do I have? Family sucks, I feel completely isolated, and am coming to accept that, no matter I much I work on trying to fix my Autism, that I am not important to other people in meatspace.

At least anger isn't depression. Only 2-3 people in MSA at OU know exactly how bad my mental state is.

I'm not sure what all you've been doing to work on your issues beside some meds and some counseling, but have you thought about doing some meditation or some martial arts/boxing training?

Hell, you're going back to the land of the Rockies...use them to your advantage. Just get out there somewhere and hike/camp out in the mountains a weekend here and there; plan it out to where there's no outside distractions, if you can, and try to relax.

Just a tip...

281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:06:06pm

how are the twitter links done here?

282 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:06:37pm

re: #270 ProGunLiberal

What else do I have? Family sucks, I feel completely isolated, and am coming to accept that, no matter I much I work on trying to fix my Autism, that I am not important to other people in meatspace.

At least anger isn't depression. Only 2-3 people in MSA at OU know exactly how bad my mental state is.

No expert here, just my 2c worth.
Do some community work, involve yourself.
It may broaden your social circle as well...

283 wrenchwench  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:09:19pm

re: #281 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

how are the twitter links done here?

Expand the tweet, click on 'details', then just copy and paste the address.

284 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:09:35pm

re: #283 wrenchwench

sweet, ty ^_^

285 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:10:10pm
286 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:10:32pm
287 wrenchwench  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:11:05pm

re: #282 ozbloke

Hey oz! How was your US excursion?

288 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:15:35pm

re: #280 Gitarzan

I'm not sure what all you've been doing to work on your issues beside some meds and some counseling, but have you thought about doing some meditation or some martial arts/boxing training?

Yes, this.

Channeling anger and/or frustration into some sort of martial arts or boxing training is actually a good idea. It's amazing how therapeutic a few rounds with a punching bag is. A friend of mine is a Krav Maga instructor. He swears by it for fitness AND stress relief.

Take up running. Take a few meditation courses. Find something that you like to do that involves getting away from all your usual stress/anger triggers. Medication and counseling only go so far. Getting physical activity and finding hobbies and things outside of yourself are also great ways of dealing with stress.

289 Interesting Times  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:17:21pm
290 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:18:02pm

re: #231 ProGunLiberal

WTF? I go to warm up some dinner and come back to this shit? DON'T fucking use me as an excuse for one of your violent rage fantasies or for saying shit like KT thinks it's okay if kids starve.

KT annoys the hell out of me sometimes, just like I'm sure I annoy the hell out of some people. That's the way social interaction works in public forums, so either STEP THE HELL OFF or go find some other place to act out your bullshit tantrums, GOT IT?

291 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:18:42pm

re: #288 Lidane

Yes, this.

Channeling anger and/or frustration into some sort of martial arts or boxing training is actually a good idea. It's amazing how therapeutic a few rounds with a punching bag is. A friend of mine is a Krav Maga instructor. He swears by it for fitness AND stress relief.

Take up running. Take a few meditation courses. Find something that you like to do that involves getting away from all your usual stress/anger triggers. Medication and counseling only go so far. Getting physical activity and finding hobbies and things outside of yourself are also great ways of dealing with stress.

These are pretty great for stress relief

292 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:18:56pm

Now I'm doubly pissed because he made me defend KT. ///

293 Varek Raith  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:20:22pm

re: #231 ProGunLiberal

Dude, what???

294 bratwurst  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:22:22pm
295 Interesting Times  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:22:33pm

Holy crap. It looks like people surrounded by a swarm of giant floating robin eggs o_O

296 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:28:04pm

re: #291 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

These are pretty great for stress relief

That too. Music is my therapy. I plug in my iPod and put on music that gets my mind going in a positive direction.

The main thing is that dealing with stress and anger issues has to involve finding constructive ways to channel that energy. Medication and counseling are good, but they're not an instant cure. It takes hard work and really taking a hard look at yourself to figure out what your triggers are and how to best deal with them, and how to take that energy and use it in a more positive way.

297 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:28:40pm

re: #288 Lidane

Yes, this.

Channeling anger and/or frustration into some sort of martial arts or boxing training is actually a good idea. It's amazing how therapeutic a few rounds with a punching bag is. A friend of mine is a Krav Maga instructor. He swears by it for fitness AND stress relief.

Take up running. Take a few meditation courses. Find something that you like to do that involves getting away from all your usual stress/anger triggers. Medication and counseling only go so far. Getting physical activity and finding hobbies and things outside of yourself are also great ways of dealing with stress.

I like my other idea just as well; I'm not the "physical type" like that, but nothing beats backpacking out to BFE with no particular plans and some good views. IIRC, PLL's moving/moved back to Colorado Springs, so the Rockies are right there for the taking; I've been on four ten-day backpacking trips at Philmont Scout Ranch in NM over the past twenty years and the Sangre de Cristo range of the Rockies is just as beautiful every time I return there.

That's some good stress relief right there...

298 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:29:58pm

re: #290 CuriousLurker

Oh, damn...I just hope I never get on C_L's bad side! ;-P

///

299 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:30:03pm

re: #270 ProGunLiberal

What else do I have? Family sucks, I feel completely isolated, and am coming to accept that, no matter I much I work on trying to fix my Autism, that I am not important to other people in meatspace.

At least anger isn't depression. Only 2-3 people in MSA at OU know exactly how bad my mental state is.

Yeah, your family life sucks and people don't appreciate you in the meatspace, but, hey, instead of feeling depressed it's much better for you to come here and shit on people since there are no real life consequences. It's no so fucking great for us.

My pity meter is on empty.

$#!@*&%$!

300 Targetpractice  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:31:32pm

So...uhm...did I get here at a bad time?

301 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:32:24pm

re: #300 Targetpractice

So...uhm...did I get here at a bad time?

Nah, the drama's done for the time being...

302 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:32:34pm

re: #164 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

it turns out that there's nothing an invented Dick Armey group has to do with actual grassroots protesting :D

As much as the authoritarian oldsters here fuss and complain and copypasta links day after day about OWS, they already got theirs, they're already sitting pretty with cash, property, families, good jobs that they won't be shitcanned from at a moment's notice, so of course they don't care.

Doens't affect them! They got theirs. Satisfied and safe.

Whereas young people who are being fucked over in this depression (and I agree with Krugman, that is what it is) we see things differently.

The rules have been fixed, income inequality is vast compared to 30 years ago, and that's just a fact. And likely irreversible.

But I digress! Stay turned for Killgore's very important poop coverage! We're so proud! Keeping us up to date! LGF's finest journalist! I'll be over where the actual coverage is, with the "koskids" and other such enemies of america :D

I'm being fucked over in this depression. I'm just hanging on by my goddamned fingernails at the moment.

I don't see Occupy as offering me, or the country, much of anything.

If this makes me an 'authoritarian oldster', so be it. I'll be forty in a bit, so the second part is close to accurate.

303 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:33:19pm

re: #297 Gitarzan

I like my other idea just as well; I'm not the "physical type" like that, but nothing beats backpacking out to BFE with no particular plans and some good views. IIRC, PLL's moving/moved back to Colorado Springs, so the Rockies are right there for the taking; I've been on four ten-day backpacking trips at Philmont Scout Ranch in NM over the past twenty years and the Sangre de Cristo range of the Rockies is just as beautiful every time I return there.

That's some good stress relief right there...

Oh yeah. Just getting away from it all, fresh air all around, and just enjoying nature works too. A weekend camping trip or a day hiking trip with friends/family is good. Hell, there are always hobbies like geocaching and joining a hasher group that get you out of the house, socializing with others, and having fun.

304 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:33:43pm

re: #298 Gitarzan

Oh, damn...I just hope I never get on C_L's bad side! ;-P

///

Eh, I just have a short fuse on a couple of things, but the fireworks don't last long. ;)

305 Targetpractice  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:34:04pm

Stress relief? For me, it's a few hours playing Minecraft. Except when I run into Creepers...then my stress tends to spike.

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:35:17pm

re: #216 dragonfire1981

Australian Politician says IVF for Lesbians a threat to men

I don't know much about Australian politics but something seems backward here. A LIBERAL politician is saying these things?

Does Liberal mean Liberal? I mean, is the party name indicative of a slant we would call 'liberal' in the U.S.?

307 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:36:26pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

Hey oz! How was your US excursion?

Hi Wrenchwench,

Thanks for asking...
It was great...
I found the people that I met to be very friendly.
I can see for the first time why its called 'The land of opportunity'.
People say the California is expensive, but hey, I found it to be cheap comparative to Australia.

Cheap cars.
Cheap fuel, yes even at $4odd per gallon
Cheap housing.
Cheap electricity.
Courteous drivers
Met a nurse, straight out of graduation, who earns $3ph more than my wife who has been in nursing 26 years, and who is often 'Hospital in charge'.

You are very blessed....

Loved LA and San Francisco, Vegas, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite National Park, Napa Valley.
Santa Monica Pier, Venice beach. Santa Barbara, Carmel, and Monteray all fantastic places.
Saw grand Canyon at sunrise and sunset, it took my breath away, honestly.

We did 4500 miles in a 21 day driving holiday.

Got married by Elvis in Vegas, the photos show my wife and I fixated on this 6'5" Elvis.
I have been looking at the property market ever since.

Best story, went to a 'dueling piano' pub in Pleasanton CA, great fun, locals bought us drinks when they found out we were 'just married'.
Black and tan, black and tan, black and tan, bra on yer head, courtesy of one of the piano players.
USA, USA, USA....

308 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:36:30pm

re: #256 Obdicut

ProGunLiberal is a rageaholic.

He can't live without rageohol.

309 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:39:12pm

re: #307 ozbloke

Hi Wrenchwench,

Thanks for asking...
It was great...
I found the people that I met to be very friendly.
I can see for the first time why its called 'The land of opportunity'.
People say the California is expensive, but hey, I found it to be cheap comparative to Australia.

Cheap cars.
Cheap fuel, yes even at $4odd per gallon
Cheap housing.
Cheap electricity.
Courteous drivers
Met a nurse, straight out of graduation, who earns $3ph more than my wife who has been in nursing 26 years, and who is often 'Hospital in charge'.

You are very blessed...

Loved LA and San Francisco, Vegas, Lake Tahoe, Yosemite National Park, Napa Valley.
Santa Monica Pier, Venice beach. Santa Barbara, Carmel, and Monteray all fantastic places.
Saw grand Canyon at sunrise and sunset, it took my breath away, honestly.

We did 4500 miles in a 21 day driving holiday.

Got married by Elvis in Vegas, the photos show my wife and I fixated on this 6'5" Elvis.
I have been looking at the property market ever since.

Best story, went to a 'dueling piano' pub in Pleasanton CA, great fun, locals bought us drinks when they found out we were 'just married'.
Black and tan, black and tan, black and tan, bra on yer head, courtesy of one of the piano players.
USA, USA, USA...

Cheap HOUSING? Dude, I though you were Australian, not Japanese. No one ever tells us we have cheap housing.

Except for the Japanese.

310 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:39:17pm

re: #306 SanFranciscoZionist

Does Liberal mean Liberal? I mean, is the party name indicative of a slant we would call 'liberal' in the U.S.?

Liberal = right wing
Labor = Left

311 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:39:32pm

re: #309 SanFranciscoZionist

Cheap HOUSING? Dude, I though you were Australian, not Japanese. No one ever tells us we have cheap housing.

Except for the Japanese.

Glad you enjoyed the trip!!

312 Lidane  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:39:32pm

re: #270 ProGunLiberal

What else do I have?

Options. Case in point.

There are a lot of ways to deal with anger and stress in positive ways. Try finding one that works for you and which gets you away from your usual triggers.

313 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:40:15pm

re: #310 ozbloke

Liberal = right wing
Labor = Left

Sort of like in England, "Reform Judaism" is what an American would call Conservative, and "Liberal" is what we'd call Reform.

Except the other way around.

314 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:40:23pm

The solar eclipse has started. I built a solar image projector with cardboard and binoculars. It works much better than pinhole optics. I have a 3" image of the sun projected onto white cardboard. In the bay area we'll have 89% totality. 52 minutes until maximum.

315 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:40:30pm

re: #295 Interesting Times

Holy crap. It looks like people surrounded by a swarm of giant floating robin eggs o_O

[Embedded content]

Welcome to South Korea.

316 wrenchwench  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:40:35pm

re: #307 ozbloke

Congratulations!

I hope you and the wife and the kids have a zillion happy years together, with some of them being in the US again!

317 Amory Blaine  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:41:01pm

re: #279 Obdicut

And fuck, I am actually running a fever. Goddamn it.

I'm going to go mainline some theraflu.

I'm sick too!! Arrrghhh fuck!!!

318 Targetpractice  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:41:26pm

Wait, the eclipse has begun? And me without my provisions for the coming zombie hordes!

//

319 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:41:27pm

re: #309 SanFranciscoZionist

Cheap HOUSING? Dude, I though you were Australian, not Japanese. No one ever tells us we have cheap housing.

Except for the Japanese.

We are ground zero for the housing market crash which fucked over the global economy so it stands to reason that housing here probably seems pretty cheap to everyone else.

320 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:41:39pm

re: #307 ozbloke

Congratulations to both of you! ;o)

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:42:27pm

re: #319 Killgore Trout

We are ground zero for the housing market crash which fucked over the global economy so it stands to reason that housing here probably seems pretty cheap to everyone else.

Well, if you're looking to buy, that would make sense.

If you're renting...I ain't noticed the crash doing much.

322 ProGunLiberal  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:45:37pm

re: #293 Varek Raith

I lost my mind for a bit there.

re: #304 CuriousLurker

Giving it a few minutes to think about it, that first post was irrational.

Since last year, my ability to deal with Politics has probably slipped. In a pattern that I have had for a while, the lonelier and more frustrated I feel, the more I delve into and internalize my politics. I probably need to cool down for a while. Not sure how though. I get really self-conscious about the fact that I am much weaker than average physically.

323 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:45:48pm

re: #311 SanFranciscoZionist

Glad you enjoyed the trip!!

SFV,

Truly, I fell in love with the place, also I forgot, food is so cheap too...

One complaint if I may.
Fricken concrete highways, duck-a-duck, duck-a-duck, duck-a-duck, even makes a bmw seem noisy.

Also oddly, I loved the drive from LA to Vegas, its a beautiful desert.
And back to LA, from the Grand Canyon, via the Joshua Tree National Park.

324 Gus  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:46:14pm

re: #231 ProGunLiberal

I'll smash him for his callous ideals anyway.

His ideals led to the death of over a million during the Irish Potato Famine. Classical Liberalism was disproven in the Presidency of James Polk

British Policies were so bad, the Ottoman Empire, in its weakened state, got into a diplomatic squabble over its neglect of the Irish.

KT is perfectly okay with seeing kids starve.

Sorry to rekindle this but as much as I think that Killgore has been a pain in the rear end (x20 at times) since October I think this assessment is way off. Especially that bit about "seeing kids starve."

325 wrenchwench  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:47:20pm

re: #323 ozbloke

SFV,

Truly, I fell in love with the place, also I forgot, food is so cheap too...

One complaint if I may.
Fricken concrete highways, duck-a-duck, duck-a-duck, duck-a-duck, even makes a bmw seem noisy.

Also oddly, I loved the drive from LA to Vegas, its a beautiful desert.
And back to LA, from the Grand Canyon, via the Joshua Tree National Park.

Yay!

326 ProGunLiberal  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:48:14pm

Apparently, Campbell Brown's husband is an advisor from Romney.

Why does anyone listen to CNN again?

327 Cheechako  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:49:30pm

It's peak time for the eclipse here. Went outside for a look. Got many raindrops in my eyes. Rats!!

:(

328 Four More Beers  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:49:53pm

OT, but I thought my fellow Lizards would be proud. I got a photo published in Sports Illustrated for the first time on Thursday. It was a Getty assignment with another shooter of the Houston Dynamo's home opener last Saturday. My assignment was to get some solid sense-of-place type images, and I got a drunk fan to make it better. Here's how it looked in the print edition this week:

Image: photo-(16)-web.jpg

329 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:49:54pm

re: #316 wrenchwench

Congratulations!

I hope you and the wife and the kids have a zillion happy years together, with some of them being in the US again!

You bet...
Only not sure on the kids, almost off our hands now.

Tip, a honeymoon in one room 'Best Westerns', not the best idea.
Though I will say, great value, we would pay almost 60% more for similar rooms here.

330 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:50:25pm

re: #323 ozbloke

SFV,

One complaint if I may.
Fricken concrete highways, duck-a-duck, duck-a-duck, duck-a-duck, even makes a bmw seem noisy.

I can always tell when I hit Southern California on highway 101 by that sound.

331 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:51:33pm

re: #328 Everything in Its Right Place

OT, but I thought my fellow Lizards would be proud. I got a photo published in Sports Illustrated for the first time on Thursday. It was a Getty assignment with another shooter of the Houston Dynamo's home opener last Saturday. My assignment was to get some solid sense-of-place type images, and I got a drunk fan to make it better. Here's how it looked in the print edition this week:

Image: photo-(16)-web.jpg

Nice!

332 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:51:43pm

re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, if you're looking to buy, that would make sense.

If you're renting...I ain't noticed the crash doing much.

In Portland, it is now a LOT more difficult to find a decent rental, nobody can afford/has the credit to buy, so everyone rents

333 goddamnedfrank  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:52:10pm

Diablo 3 Download at 73%.

Haven't played yet even though technically I can now (really nice, smart feature making partial downloads playable while the rest of the data comes in).

Decided to be a Monk.

334 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:53:41pm

re: #330 Purple Throbbing Standby

I can always tell when I hit Southern California on highway 101 by that sound.

I love the 75mph speed limits.
Also it seems the police are reasonable about that limit.
Here in Australia, you can and often will be booked for 2mph over the limit.
We had cops driving past whilst doing 80mph, didn't give us a second look.

335 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:55:34pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm being fucked over in this depression. I'm just hanging on by my goddamned fingernails at the moment.

I don't see Occupy as offering me, or the country, much of anything.

If this makes me an 'authoritarian oldster', so be it. I'll be forty in a bit, so the second part is close to accurate.

Occupy has raised income inequality to national attention, which I think is incredibly important to actually putting policies in place to change it

I think that's enormous for the country, myself

336 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:55:54pm

Oh, my claim to fame whilst in the USA, we got told 'Get out of town' in Long Beach CA by the cops.

Bad boy, bad boy, what you gonna do...

337 wrenchwench  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:56:06pm

re: #328 Everything in Its Right Place

OT, but I thought my fellow Lizards would be proud. I got a photo published in Sports Illustrated for the first time on Thursday. It was a Getty assignment with another shooter of the Houston Dynamo's home opener last Saturday. My assignment was to get some solid sense-of-place type images, and I got a drunk fan to make it better. Here's how it looked in the print edition this week:

Image: photo-(16)-web.jpg

Nice! The sky even cooperated!

338 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:57:18pm

re: #322 ProGunLiberal

Now I'm going to show you "callous": I'm not interested in hearing your excuses for the umpteenth time. Self-justification is worse than the original offense.

Others have had, and continue to have, way more patience with you than I, and I'm starting to feel like you're taking advantage of it. Some of the people here have serious problems they're dealing with as well, but they don't take it out on others. I'm not sure why you feel you have the right to do so—we don't owe you a damned thing.

You know what your problem is. You know you need help. Get it in the meatworld. We cannot give it to you here. Sorry your life is sucks, but at the end of the day you're the one who has to live it. Fix it, or continue suffering. Your life, your choice. Grow up, for your own sake.

339 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:58:36pm

re: #336 ozbloke

Oh, my claim to fame whilst in the USA, we got told 'Get out of town' in Long Beach CA by the cops.

Bad boy, bad boy, what you gonna do...

Were you a trust fund marxist? :D

340 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 5:59:03pm

re: #328 Everything in Its Right Place

Kudos—great shot!

341 compound_Idaho  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:01:10pm

re: #334 ozbloke

I love the 75mph speed limits.
Also it seems the police are reasonable about that limit.
Here in Australia, you can and often will be booked for 2mph over the limit.
We had cops driving past whilst doing 80mph, didn't give us a second look.

Try 80 mph!
[Link: www.deseretnews.com...]

342 CuriousLurker  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:01:42pm

Okay, Ms. Crankypants is leaving the premises in search of attitude adjustment. Later, lizards.

343 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:03:16pm

re: #339 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

Were you a trust fund marxist? :D

I wish, just a poor white boy.

344 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:04:10pm

re: #290 CuriousLurker

[snip]

I'm sure I annoy the hell out of some people.

You have no idea.

Just yesterday I was packed full of hell, right to the top. It was even pouring out of my ears. I even put my roller skates on so I'd be hell on wheels.

Damned if just moments after talking to you the hell disappeared.

So I rolled through the drive through and grabbed a happy meal from McDufus'.

345 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:04:11pm

re: #328 Everything in Its Right Place

Great symmetry.

346 Four More Beers  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:05:26pm

Thanks for the props, y'all! It's quite the thrill; hopefully there will be many more.

347 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:05:37pm

re: #299 CuriousLurker

Yeah, your family life sucks and people don't appreciate you in the meatspace, but, hey, instead of feeling depressed it's much better for you to come here and shit on people since there are no real life consequences. It's no so fucking great for us.

My pity meter is on empty.

$#!@*&%$!

Breathe.

348 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:06:25pm

re: #341 compound_Idaho

Try 80 mph!
[Link: www.deseretnews.com...]

I think its a good idea, particularly on large highways.

I did have lots of issues with the naming of highways, 101E 101W etc.
All good if you have any idea where north is, and which way your heading.

Not so good for the geographically embarrassed, like me.

349 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:06:59pm

re: #302 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm being fucked over in this depression. I'm just hanging on by my goddamned fingernails at the moment.

I don't see Occupy as offering me, or the country, much of anything.

If this makes me an 'authoritarian oldster', so be it. I'll be forty in a bit, so the second part is close to accurate.

Krugman says it better than I can

Given this history, how can you not applaud the protesters for finally taking a stand?

Now, it’s true that some of the protesters are oddly dressed or have silly-sounding slogans, which is inevitable given the open character of the events. But so what? I, at least, am a lot more offended by the sight of exquisitely tailored plutocrats, who owe their continued wealth to government guarantees, whining that President Obama has said mean things about them than I am by the sight of ragtag young people denouncing consumerism.

Bear in mind, too, that experience has made it painfully clear that men in suits not only don’t have any monopoly on wisdom, they have very little wisdom to offer. When talking heads on, say, CNBC mock the protesters as unserious, remember how many serious people assured us that there was no housing bubble, that Alan Greenspan was an oracle and that budget deficits would send interest rates soaring.

350 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:07:29pm

re: #332 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]

In Portland, it is now a LOT more difficult to find a decent rental, nobody can afford/has the credit to buy, so everyone rents

My landlord decided not to raise the rent. Instead, we are all paying for our own water and trash now. But not directly. Through a company that collects the money for the landlord.

It is not working very well.

351 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:07:35pm

re: #310 ozbloke

Liberal = right wing
Labor = Left

You are so upside down down there.

352 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:08:37pm

re: #351 Ghost of Insanity

You are so upside down down there.

/ But at least we drive on the right side of the road.

353 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:09:31pm

re: #351 Ghost of Insanity

You are so upside down down there.

it's all branding :D

354 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:13:24pm

re: #352 ozbloke

/ But at least we drive on the right side of the road.

Nice to see you back BTW.

355 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:14:58pm

re: #354 Ghost of Insanity

Nice to see you back BTW.

Thanks, nice to be back.
Australia's timezone is shit, takes me all morning to catch up on LGF, by the time I do most people have gone to bed :(

356 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:20:49pm

re: #355 ozbloke

Thanks, nice to be back.
Australia's timezone is shit, takes me all morning to catch up on LGF, by the time I do most people have gone to bed :(

You can blame Canada, we're the ones that pressed for World time zones.

Big thrill, Chuck and Camilla are here. I think it's time to dump the royals.

357 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:25:33pm

re: #356 Ghost of Insanity

You can blame Canada, we're the ones that pressed for World time zones.

Big thrill, Chuck and Camilla are here. I think it's time to dump the royals.

But then who would reign over us?
We all need to be reigned upon.

358 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:28:25pm

re: #334 ozbloke

I love the 75mph speed limits.
Also it seems the police are reasonable about that limit.
Here in Australia, you can and often will be booked for 2mph over the limit.
We had cops driving past whilst doing 80mph, didn't give us a second look.

YMMV on that; there's plenty of cities and towns here in the US that run radar traps for "revenue enhancement", usually in small towns and out in BFE, but larger cities do it too.

359 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:36:06pm

re: #357 ozbloke

But then who would reign over us?
We all need to be reigned upon.

OK, but for the good of the commonwealth, get rid of Chuck, he doesn't know when to stop reigning.

360 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:37:45pm

re: #356 Ghost of Insanity

I'd just dump Chuck and Camilla. The rest of that family is not so bad.

361 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:39:25pm

re: #358 Gitarzan

YMMV on that; there's plenty of cities and towns here in the US that run radar traps for "revenue enhancement", usually in small towns and out in BFE, but larger cities do it too.

In Australia, we have privatised radars in some states, any car parked on the side of a road could contain a camera.

Not even a fighting chance...

362 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:42:55pm

re: #360 wheatdogg

I'd just dump Chuck and Camilla. The rest of that family is not so bad.

To be honest, I don't think about the Royals much, they never really have much to do with us criminals...

Well except for the 12th November 1975, when Sir John Kerr (Governor General) sacked our Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, brought on by our right wing opposition.

363 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:43:08pm

re: #356 Ghost of Insanity

You can blame Canada, we're the ones that pressed for World time zones.

Big thrill, Chuck and Camilla are here. I think it's time to dump the royals.

If Prince Charles ever gets tired of his current gig, he can always become a TV weatherman; apparently, he and Camilla were visiting a Scottish TV station sometime recently and each of them got on the air during different segments.

I heard the audio of Charles doing the weather and he was quite good at it, in that buttoned-down British way; however, all I could think about was the intro to this (the album version works much better for this purpose, but a live version will have to do):

Youtube Video
364 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:43:43pm

re: #361 ozbloke

In Australia, we have privatised radars in some states, any car parked on the side of a road could contain a camera.

Not even a fighting chance...

Oh, that's fun...

365 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:46:39pm

re: #360 wheatdogg

I'd just dump Chuck and Camilla. The rest of that family is not so bad.

True, Liz has been good and William and Harry act more like their mother.

366 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:47:20pm

re: #361 ozbloke

In Australia, we have privatised radars in some states, any car parked on the side of a road could contain a camera.

Not even a fighting chance...

Interesting revenue stream for a private citizen/corp.

367 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:48:58pm

re: #362 ozbloke

To be honest, I don't think about the Royals much, they never really have much to do with us criminals...

Well except for the 12th November 1975, when Sir John Kerr (Governor General) sacked our Prime Minister Gough Whitlam, brought on by our right wing opposition.

They don't come and visit you lowlifes like they do us? They have to visit here because we're named after Victoria. Costs the city tens of thousands every time.

368 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:50:20pm

re: #366 wheatdogg

Interesting revenue stream for a private citizen/corp.

Yes, but surprise surprise, the public doesn't much appreciate them.
Some cars have been vandalised, and if the owners are their, some have been threatened and/or beaten.

369 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:52:08pm

re: #367 Ghost of Insanity

They don't come and visit you lowlifes like they do us? They have to visit here because we're named after Victoria. Costs the city tens of thousands every time.

Rarely, we have to have some major thing happening,
Fortunately we are aware of their tricks, so we live boring lives to keep them out.

370 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:53:54pm

re: #368 ozbloke

Sounds like a really dumb idea, like something our own public officials might propose. Privatizing prisons and schools is even worse.

Where is Oz are you from, BTW? I got friends in Queensland.

371 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 6:56:56pm

re: #370 wheatdogg

Sounds like a really dumb idea, like something our own public officials might propose. Privatizing prisons and schools is even worse.

We try real hard to follow the lead of the USA.

372 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:00:49pm

re: #369 ozbloke

Rarely, we have to have some major thing happening,
Fortunately we are aware of their tricks, so we live boring lives to keep them out.

Very smart move.

373 b_Snark  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:02:39pm

re: #370 wheatdogg

Sounds like a really dumb idea, like something our own public officials might propose. Privatizing prisons and schools is even worse.

Where is Oz are you from, BTW? I got friends in Queensland.

I only know one person in OZ, and he's a philosopher so he may or may not count.

374 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:03:20pm

re: #370 wheatdogg

Sounds like a really dumb idea, like something our own public officials might propose. Privatizing prisons and schools is even worse.

We have also introduced at least one private prison.

375 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:05:33pm

re: #373 Ghost of Insanity

Where is Oz are you from, BTW? I got friends in Queensland.

I only know one person in OZ, and he's a philosopher so he may or may not count.

I'm guessing this is your question.
Just south of the Queensland border near Byron Bay NSW.

I will add, a lovely place to live and work.

376 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:09:11pm

re: #375 ozbloke

Where is Oz are you from, BTW? I got friends in Queensland.

I'm guessing this is your question.
Just south of the Queensland border near Byron Bay NSW.

I will add, a lovely place to live and work.

Ah, they live in Coomera. Sounds like a great place to live, from what they say.

377 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, May 20, 2012 7:11:26pm

re: #376 wheatdogg

Ah, they live in Coomera. Sounds like a great place to live, from what they say.

Its less than 2hrs from here, small world.
Its between the Gold Coast, and Brisbane. Great beaches nearby.

378 Renaissance_Man  Sun, May 20, 2012 8:42:50pm

re: #216 dragonfire1981

Australian Politician says IVF for Lesbians a threat to men

I don't know much about Australian politics but something seems backward here. A LIBERAL politician is saying these things?

In Australia, the Liberal Party is the conservative party. There's no real equivalent to US conservatives and liberals, but they are the conservative branch of government.

379 Mich-again  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:08:13pm

I'm made of rubber, you're made of glue..
It bounces off me and sticks to you.

380 Mich-again  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:09:06pm

I know what you are but what am I?

381 Interesting Times  Sun, May 20, 2012 9:26:41pm

re: #379 Mich-again

I'm made of rubber, you're made of glue..
It bounces off me and sticks to you.

No U! No U!
We'll accuse you of things we do!
Fling poo! Fling poo!
'Cause some of it's gonna land on you!

--From "Attack of the Rightwing Howler Monkeys"*

*A musical doesn't exist yet, but it should :P


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