Arizona Congressional Candidate Blasts ‘Obamacare’ With a Shotgun (Video)

You know what Arizona needs? More political references to shooting stuff
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Now that embattled Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu isn’t running for Congress in Arizona’s Fourth Congressional District, the race is down to two Republicans — Congressman Paul Gosar, and state Senator Ron Gould.

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There’s a banjo, a faithful dog, cowboy hats, a pickup truck, a long white beard, Gould’s famous flat-top haircut, and of course, a shotgun.

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Video

I took the subtitle from a posting at this place, which was brought to my attention by one of my favorite reTweeters, @justamexican.

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464 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:21:36pm

Wow.

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:22:41pm

Gotta promote this one.

3 dragonath  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:29:03pm

This is interesting, because there's a special election for Gabrielle Gifford's old seat tomorrow.

4 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:31:06pm

It is painfully difficult to avoid stereotypes here.

This is every crude, cringe-worthy, embarrassing, disgraceful, shameful, backwards image of America rolled into one putrescent and soul crushing package.

5 jaunte  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:34:53pm

Arizona State University:

The story of agriculture in Arizona is a tale of the search for cheap and plentiful water and labor. The twentieth century irrigation projects sponsored by the federal government supplied the former; to a great degree, immigrants from Mexico supplied the latter. In 1867, the canals of the Hohokam were re-trenched and the first of many crops were harvested. Mexicans came to the area as workers to help build the canals, level land, clear mesquite, and harvest the first crops. With the completion of the Roosevelt Dam, the planting of cotton, and the advent of World War I, demands for cheap labor increased. Mexican workers were recruited to work in Arizona, beginning the long, difficult, and demanding relationship between Mexicans, Mexican Americans, Euro-Americans and agriculture in Arizona. Women and children migrated as well and many families worked together in the fields.
.....
Today, some Mexican Americans continue their work as farm laborers, but due to the mechanization and the technology involved in the harvesting of crops their numbers have dropped. Documented and undocumented immigrants, however, continue to work in the fields.
[Link: www.asu.edu...]

Ron Gould wouldn't be where he is today without a lot of Federal money and generations of hard work from the people he's afraid of.

6 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:36:40pm

Oh yeah... a man so insecure he needs to wag a shotty around as a penis enhancer. Give him an office!

Oh yeah... white folks like him are so persecuted.

Twenty years ago, this freak would have been laughed at.

The thought that no only do large segments of America take such goons seriously, but actually think this hominid is cool and worthy of any form of leadership outside of a mental institution is simple proof that our whole nation is falling into darkness.

7 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:37:39pm

You know, this really DOESN'T help the stereotype of Americans as a bunch of two-bit trigger-pumping morons in the eyes of the rest of the world, even without factoring in the banjo.

8 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:39:28pm

re: #7 Mentis Fugit

You know, this really DOESN'T help the stereotype of Americans as a bunch of two-bit trigger-pumping morons in the eyes of the rest of the world, even without factoring in the banjo.

The banjo just engenders visions of generations of inbreeding.

Of course, so does everything else about this.

How else could you reproduce a demented hominid without the help of multiple double recessives.

9 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:39:45pm

Pitchfork Patriot sez whut? Oh yeah...

See mah guhn? I shoot sheeyut ah doan like

10 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:39:48pm

Um. Since private healthcare is far more expensive than public, what can't America afford public healthcare.

Also, once again I note they don't even try to hide their violent fantasies any more, do they?

11 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:39:55pm

That just might be a dobro slide...

12 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:41:51pm

re: #10 Romantic Heretic

Um. Since private healthcare is far more expensive than public, what can't America afford public healthcare.

Also, once again I note they don't even try to hide their violent fantasies any more, do they?

Shhh! You are using basic math and logic. They don't like that sort of elitist oppression. If you keep doing that, they will think you are a communist, or gay or both.

13 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:42:05pm

re: #4 LudwigVanQuixote

Yep. It also casts the sport of Trap shooting in a poor light as well.

I also noticed that he didn't say that he wanted Washington out of his Wife's Vagina.

14 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:44:03pm

re: #13 Bubblehead II

Yep. It also casts the sport of Trap shooting in a poor light as well.

I also noticed that he didn't say that he wanted Washington out of his Wife's Vagina.

Well, be fair to the lady... if a man needs to over compensate that much, that might be the only action she has available.

15 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:45:48pm

Man hits wife for taking God's name in vain, is arrested. Freep defends.

What was he supposed to do? Let her take the Lord’s name in vain in his own house?

3 posted on Mon Jun 11 2012 15:01:18 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Zuben Elgenubi

I say smack the devil out of her.

5 posted on Mon Jun 11 2012 15:04:31 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by BipolarBob

So throwing him in jail solves the problem? He's a fundamental Christian upset at taking the Lord's name in vain (one of the ten commandment, I believe). How can you defend a person who verbally attacks the religious beliefs of another in his own home?

22 posted on Mon Jun 11 2012 15:27:42 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by Zuben Elgenubi

Is not her assault upon his eardrums a crime too? Her’s was the first action, his a reaction and he’s in jail for battery. How about we split the difference and send her to jail too for assault? That would seem fair to me, as both were breaking the law.

29 posted on Monday, June 11, 2012 1:46:41 PM by Zuben Elgenubi

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

16 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:46:47pm

re: #5 jaunte

Arizona State University:

Ron Gould wouldn't be where he is today without a lot of Federal money and generations of hard work from the people he's afraid of.

Back in the good old days, when they didn't want those Mexicans around any more, they just packed 'em up and shipped 'em off to another state.

17 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:47:36pm

deport all conservatives

18 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:48:35pm

How subtle.

19 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:48:56pm

re: #14 LudwigVanQuixote

Well, be fair to the lady... if a man needs to over compensate that much, she might need to get some action from somewhere...

Unless she thinks like him. In that case, I hope it unloaded.

20 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:50:52pm

re: #14 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh, glad to see you were as disappointed with Prometheus as I was.

21 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:51:16pm

re: #15 SpaceJesus

Man hits wife for taking God's name in vain, is arrested. Freep defends.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Ahhh some good old Christian love...

For the record, the commandment means not to desecrate the Name by doing evil in that Name or swearing falsely.

Of course these freaks don't beat on the actual Bible... a book they have obviously never read or understood.

22 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:52:00pm

re: #20 It's a cookbook!

Oh, glad to see you were as disappointed with Prometheus as I was.

Glad you liked my little review. Thanks! I have to admit writing movie reviews is a lot of fun.

23 Atlas Fails  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:52:28pm

re: #10 Romantic Heretic

Um. Since private healthcare is far more expensive than public, what can't America afford public healthcare.

Also, once again I note they don't even try to hide their violent fantasies any more, do they?

Hush! 'Merica's too busy killin' brown people to pay fur gay shit like 'health care.'

24 jaunte  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:52:30pm
Comedy Central Video
25 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:53:36pm

re: #15 SpaceJesus

Amazing how they make opportunities to bash Muslims when they're nowhere in the story.

26 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:54:36pm

re: #22 LudwigVanQuixote

Glad you liked my little review. Thanks! I have to admit writing movie reviews is a lot of fun.

It's so much easier in a movie like this where characters do things that real people don't do.

27 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:55:04pm

re: #25 It's a cookbook!

Amazing how they make opportunities to bash Muslims when they're nowhere in the story.

That's Obama's fault...

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28 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:56:23pm

re: #26 It's a cookbook!

It's so much easier in a movie like this where characters do things that real people don't do.

Hmmm... like trained scientists who take their helmets off on an alien planet that obviously has life on it? Yeah... I'd be in a rush to see how my immune system would hold up to any completely alien microbes!

29 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:56:57pm

re: #4 LudwigVanQuixote

It is painfully difficult to avoid stereotypes here.

The rulers of the earth are sowing a fearful wind, to reap a most terrible whirlwind

30 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 6:57:32pm

re: #29 freetoken

The rulers of the earth are sowing a fearful wind, to reap a most terrible whirlwind

Indeed.

31 DesertDenizen  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:00:05pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

Back in the good old days, when they didn't want those Mexicans around any more, they just packed 'em up and shipped 'em off to another state.

I live in Bisbee and know folks who had family on both sides of that affair. The community still can't settle on whether it was a good thing or a bad thing.

32 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:00:27pm

re: #28 LudwigVanQuixote

Hmmm... like trained scientists who take their helmets off on an alien planet that obviously has life on it? Yeah... I'd be in a rush to see how my immune system would hold up to any completely alien microbes!

Dude, it took an ungodly amount of suspension of disbelief for me to get past that. The scene with the biologist broke me, though.

33 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:00:58pm

re: #31 DesertDenizen

I live in Bisbee and know folks who had family on both sides of that affair. The community still can't settle on whether it was a good thing or a bad thing.

Yikes.

34 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:01:22pm

re: #25 It's a cookbook!

Not to mention the homo comments. (Gays are nowhere in the story).


I don't think there is anywhere in the world that thinks about gay sex as often as Freep does. Not even the most fabulous club in the Castro at 2am on a Friday night can generate this much of an interest in homosexuality.

35 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:02:45pm

OK, this guy looks like a Meerkat!
[Link: 1.bp.blogspot.com...]

36 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:04:03pm

re: #35 Dancing along the light of day

OK, this guy looks like a Meerkat!
[Link: 1.bp.blogspot.com...]

That is no mere cat...

37 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:04:48pm

re: #36 It's a cookbook!

Somehow it was the teeth & the moustache!

38 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:04:58pm

You can tell I'm an authentic conservative by my flowbee haircut and dickstache.

39 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:05:05pm

Minor note. There ain't no banjo. That's either an acoustic slide or a Dobro.

[Dobro slide.]

40 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:06:47pm

re: #17 SpaceJesus

deport all conservatives

Nah, just ship them all to Az, NM, Texas and Nevada. The water will be gone soon enough.

We'll see how well their prayers for rain work then.

41 darthstar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:07:29pm

Colorado and Calfornia should stop sending AZ water for a few years...They obviously aren't putting it to good use if they're raising these kinds of idiots.

42 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:07:50pm

re: #39 Gus

Minor note. There ain't no banjo. That's either an acoustic slide or a Dobro.

[Dobro slide.]

Hi Gus! I've been waiting for you.

43 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:08:36pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote


Keep them out of NM. Let them live in Jan Brewer's little slice of America.

44 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:08:45pm

Another note. Lake Havasu (which I believe is in the background of one shot and where Mr. Gould makes his business and home) was formed by the Parker Dam and constructed by the United States Bureau of Reclamation between the years 1934 and 1938 or under President Franklin D. Roosevelt (D).

Communism!

45 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:08:50pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #41 darthstar

Come on you guys. If it were only wingnut assholes living there here, we wouldn't have a problem.

46 darthstar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:09:00pm

re: #15 SpaceJesus

Man hits wife for taking God's name in vain, is arrested. Freep defends.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Well I'll be goddamned...

47 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:09:35pm

re: #42 wrenchwench

Hi Gus! I've been waiting for you.

Ya beat me!

[Dobro slide.]

Now you see what I mean when I use that? ;)

48 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:09:58pm

re: #41 darthstar

Colorado and Calfornia should stop sending AZ water for a few years...They obviously aren't putting it to good use if they're raising these kinds of idiots.

Colorado won't have so much water soon either.

Seriously, in 20 or 30 years at present rates those states are toast.

I imagine the response will be much like packing into cathedrals during the great plagues.

49 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:10:02pm

re: #41 darthstar

Colorado and Calfornia should stop sending AZ water for a few years...They obviously aren't putting it to good use if they're raising these kinds of idiots.

I'm not sure Ca sends any water except from the north of the state to the south.

50 darthstar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:10:55pm

re: #45 wrenchwench

re: #41 darthstar

Come on you guys. If it were only wingnut assholes living there, we wouldn't have a problem.

Yeah, but I say let 'em dry out for a few days and see if it changes their attitude just the same.

51 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:10:57pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

Keep them out of NM. Let them live in Jan Brewer's little slice of America.

NM is already fucked.

We need to get the civilized folks out of all those states. The rest... well... their votes helped make what will happen happen.

52 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:11:21pm

Our America World™, June 11 2012 edition:

Comment: Clever creator must have played a hand in process of evolution

[...]

We’re told to believe that dinosaurs turned into birds over millions of years without any help from anybody, but that night in an Ossie back garden my mind wanted more.

First, how did frayed lizard scales become highly-complex feathers that are themselves lightweight miracles of engineering?

Second, how did a dinosaur, not even clever enough to survive, [ed. note - they were around for at least 150 million years - much better record than us] invent an efficient preening mechanism to make the feathers work?

Third, how did a chunky dinosaur become a contortionist to reach all its oil glands and feathers to do the preening?

Fourth, how on earth could a cold-blooded reptile [ed. note - some dinosaurs show evidence of being "warm blooded"], by a series of accidents, change its whole energy and blood system into that of a warm-blooded mammal?


[...]

53 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:11:31pm

re: #48 LudwigVanQuixote

Colorado won't have so much water soon either.

Seriously, in 20 or 30 years at present rates those states are toast.

I imagine the response will be much like packing into cathedrals during the great plagues.

People in Michigan better get ready to defend their water (even if it means joining forces with Canada)

54 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:11:35pm

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

NM is already fucked.

We need to get the civilized folks out of all those states. The rest... well... their votes helped make what will happen happen.

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55 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:12:01pm

re: #48 LudwigVanQuixote

Colorado won't have so much water soon either.

Seriously, in 20 or 30 years at present rates those states are toast.

I imagine the response will be much like packing into cathedrals during the great plagues.

"It's ok, don't worry. We're sitting on top an underground Lake Superior!"

-Every "expert" ever brought in by developers to every city council meeting in every Western city since 1960.

56 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:12:32pm

re: #34 SpaceJesus

Not to mention the homo comments. (Gays are nowhere in the story).

I don't think there is anywhere in the world that thinks about gay sex as often as Freep does. Not even the most fabulous club in the Castro at 2am on a Friday night can generate this much of an interest in homosexuality.

Well of course not... The people at the Castro are out of the closet and not ashamed of themselves.

57 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:13:13pm

re: #53 Learned Mother of Zion

People in Michigan better get ready to defend their water (even if it means joining forces with Canada)

Funny you should mention that... the Great lakes states have been talking about preserving "their" water from other states for years.

58 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:13:34pm

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

Eh, NM hasn't had the massive spurt that AZ and NV and CA had. It's sustainable so long as Albuquerque doesn't become Phoenix and Las Cruces doesn't become Tucson.

59 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:13:39pm

re: #51 LudwigVanQuixote

NM is already was always fucked...

FTFY

60 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:14:12pm

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny you should mention that... the Great lakes states have been talking about preserving "their" water from other states for years.

Rick Snyder will gladly sell Michigan water for a price.

61 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:15:01pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

[deleted]

That wasn't a slam on NM. That was a statement of scientific fact. I honestly don't see how the state can be saved if we stick to the present course.

62 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:15:50pm

re: #58 SpaceJesus

Eh, NM hasn't had the massive spurt that AZ and NV and CA had. It's sustainable so long as Albuquerque doesn't become Phoenix and Las Cruces doesn't become Tucson.

Not so much with the changing streams and the drying out of melts.

63 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:15:56pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

[deleted]

Oops. I meant that in order to sustain a large population it was fucked. :)

64 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:16:32pm

I, for one, welcome our new stillsuit wearing Fremen overlords.

All hail Shai Hulud!

65 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:16:35pm

re: #63 Gus

Oops. I meant that in order to sustain a large population it was fucked. :)

Yeah that is exactly what I meant too. That is why we need to get the civilized folks out of there.

66 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:16:39pm

Getting some play today on the net is Kevin Drum's comments about Andrew Sullivan's comments on evolution:
The Fight Over Evolution Isn't Actually All That Important

67 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:16:48pm

re: #61 LudwigVanQuixote

That wasn't a slam on NM. That was a statement of scientific fact. I honestly don't see how the state can be saved if we stick to the present course.

Aren't we sitting on a big aquifer? Why are we more fucked than, say, California? We only have 2 million people.

re: #63 Gus

Oops. I meant that in order to sustain a large population it was fucked. :)

Yeah, I misread LVQ.

68 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:17:38pm

re: #62 LudwigVanQuixote

Those things would have to accelerate at such a rapid pace and get so out of control with global warming that NM would be a safe bet compared to any state with a coastline.

69 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:17:45pm

Arid-zona wingnuttery syndrome. Acute cognitive defficiency caused by an anhydrous environment in the brain's frontal lobes.

70 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:19:34pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Wow.

Here's the "Frank says" I got for this page:

"Wowie Zowie" is what [Pamela Zarubica] says when she's not grouchy...who would guess it could inspire a song? No one would guess. None of you are perceptive enough. *Why are you reading this?* -- Liner notes for "You Didn't Try to Call Me" (yes, really) on "Freak Out!"

Coincidence?

Later, lizards.

71 DesertDenizen  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:20:31pm

Arizona has been worsening in the time I've been here. It seems to attract cranky wingnuts from further north who don't do any research before they come here. I'm baffled at all the transplants from the Midwest who are SHOCKED to find Mexicans less than 10 miles from Mexico. The Wingnuts really can't grasp that most of them have been on this side of the line and been citizens for generations.

72 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:20:59pm

Everything's fine. Arizona if filled with old people who will die soon and give up their water for the good of the sietch.

73 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:21:24pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

Here's what I got in Frank says:
"Thanks to our schools and political leadership, the U.S. has acquired an international reputation as the home of 250 million people dumb enough to buy 'The Wacky Wall-Walker.'"

74 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:21:45pm

re: #67 wrenchwench

"Aren't we sitting on a big aquifer? Why are we more fucked than, say, California? We only have 2 million people."

Truth... But that assumes you can keep all your neighbors without an aquafier out, and as the rains and melt waters stop that aquafier will be less and less replenishable.

re: #63 Gus

Yeah, I misread LVQ.

It's ok.

re: #68 SpaceJesus

Those things would have to accelerate at such a rapid pace and get so out of control with global warming that NM would be a safe bet compared to any state with a coastline.

See above. Oh and they are. They are.

The Sierra Nevadas were at 25% their ice pack since the 50's this year.

75 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:21:49pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Everything's fine. Arizona if filled with old people who will die soon and give up their water for the good of the sietch.

So will Florida...

76 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:22:57pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Everything's fine. Arizona if filled with old people who will die soon and give up their water for the good of the sietch.

Damn. I wonder if the BG are going to get the missionaria protectiva out there in time.

77 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:23:34pm

re: #75 Dancing along the light of day

So will Florida...

Florida won't need water... They will have lots more than they can handle.

78 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:23:36pm

Arid zona should be investing in solar fields to provide electricity to desalienate sea water. Its not the best plan, but at least its a plan. But that would cause them to a) admit that government can help provide solutions to real problems. b) admit that the climate is actually changing c) admit that just maybe renewable energy isn't a complete waste.

So there is no chance for that to happen.

79 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:25:13pm

Well. It turns out that Mr. Gould is not a "native" Arizonan. He's actually originally from California. I mention this because I have a theory about what one could call "white flight" types that have invaded places like Arizona who essentially ran away from California for a variety of wingnut reasons.

80 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:26:49pm

re: #71 DesertDenizen

Arizona has been worsening in the time I've been here. It seems to attract cranky wingnuts from further north who don't do any research before they come here. I'm baffled at all the transplants from the Midwest who are SHOCKED to find Mexicans less than 10 miles from Mexico. The Wingnuts really can't grasp that most of them have been on this side of the line and been citizens for generations.

I moved here to NM from Washington State in 1995. When I told an acquaintance that I was moving here, she said she used to live here. I asked her why she left and she said, "Too many Mexicans."

Helllooo... New Mexico?

81 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:27:01pm

re: #79 Gus

I mention this because I have a theory about what one could call "white flight" types that have invaded places like Arizona who essentially ran away from California for a variety of wingnut reasons.

I hear a few ran away from Alaska, too.

82 wrenchwench  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:27:57pm

OK, now I'm leaving...

83 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:28:37pm

re: #76 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn. I wonder if the BG are going to get eh missionaria protectiva out there in time.

The Bene Tleilax that own Monsanto already have several prototype sand trout/sand worm hybrids ready for market trials. True story.

85 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:29:31pm

Guardian columnist takes on the right-wing move to destroy public education:

Mitt Romney's blueprint for privatising American education

86 DesertDenizen  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:30:43pm

re: #79 Gus

Well. It turns out that Mr. Gould is not a "native" Arizonan. He's actually originally from California. I mention this because I have a theory about what one could call "white flight" types that have invaded places like Arizona who essentially ran away from California for a variety of wingnut reasons.

I came to Arizona from California, and I totally agree. The sister problem to this is that these transplants want all the goodies of California with the lax laws and lower taxes of Arizona. Phoenix always leaves me with the impression of all of LA's worst traits without any of its redeeming ones.

87 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:31:30pm

Don't these bozos know that New Mexico, Arizona, et al, were once a part of old Mexico? Part of Spanish territory.

88 DesertDenizen  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:33:18pm

Apparently not Gus. Or if they do they think Mexico has a secret plan to take it back via the "Reconquista" and create a new nation of Aztlan.

89 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:35:37pm

re: #88 DesertDenizen

Apparently not Gus. Or if they do they think Mexico has a secret plan to take it back via the "Reconquista" and create a new nation of Aztlan.

Yeah. The wingnuts are still paranoid about the Reconquistas. That group is slightly larger than all 12 members of the New Black Panthers. It's more of an obscure collection of college students and professors.

The Reconquistas iz takin' over mah country!

No they're not.

90 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:36:24pm

re: #88 DesertDenizen

Apparently not Gus. Or if they do they think Mexico has a secret plan to take it back via the "Reconquista" and create a new nation of Aztlan.

They won't.
BUT I WILL!
MUHAHAHAHA!

Good evening.

91 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:36:40pm

The Ancient Pueblo peoples apparently have first claim to the area.

I wonder if CAMERA types would support the Hopi and Navajo if the latter decided that they rightfully should be a sovereign nation.

92 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:38:06pm

re: #91 freetoken

The Ancient Pueblo peoples apparently have first claim to the area.

I wonder if CAMERA types would support the Hopi and Navajo if the latter decided that they rightfully should be a sovereign nation.

There isn't a limb long enough.

93 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:38:09pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

I, for one, welcome our new stillsuit wearing Fremen overlords.

All hail Shai Hulud!

So, that's what has been breeding in the bottom of those tequila bottles for all those years - sandworms!

94 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:38:12pm

re: #71 DesertDenizen

Arizona has been worsening in the time I've been here. It seems to attract cranky wingnuts from further north who don't do any research before they come here. I'm baffled at all the transplants from the Midwest who are SHOCKED to find Mexicans less than 10 miles from Mexico. The Wingnuts really can't grasp that most of them have been on this side of the line and been citizens for generations.

I was wondered what the hell is wrong with Arizona and this makes sense. If you are a person who was born in a southern border state, Latino/Hispanic culture isn't foreign. I'm from Texas so I couldn't figure out the Mexican freakout when I lived in Georgia. But for the average southerner black or white, 5 Mexicans in one place is a lot of Mexicans. They think Mexican food is Taco Bell.

95 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:38:29pm

re: #91 freetoken

The Ancient Pueblo peoples apparently have first claim to the area.

I wonder if CAMERA types would support the Hopi and Navajo if the latter decided that they rightfully should be a sovereign nation.

I see what you did there. ;)

96 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:38:58pm

re: #95 Gus

I see what you did there. ;)

Me iz sneekee...

97 Cheechako  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:39:01pm

re: #81 freetoken

I hear a few ran away from Alaska, too.

Hey! I'm just a snowbird. I go back to the rain and cold of Alaska when Arizona starts warming up.

98 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:41:00pm

A catch straight out of the deep blue sea

For now, the cerulean crustacean is residing comfortably in a nice, cold holding tank at Stoddard's business, feeding on bits of fish and mollusks as normal. A massive aquarium is under construction near the CN Tower in Toronto, but Stoddard hasn't decided whether to offer his specimen for display there.

"I don't know what the best thing is to do," he said. "It probably belongs back in the ocean, but I'd like for as many people as possible to see it."

99 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:41:56pm

re: #97 Cheechako

I did the snowbird thing in Arizona one winter, in between stays in Japan.

Scottsdale - never has there been such a fantasy land. In some profound way it is even more imaginary than Vegas.

100 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:42:42pm

Department Of Justice Sues Florida Over Voter Purge

About time.

101 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:43:14pm

re: #99 freetoken

I did the snowbird thing in Arizona one winter, in between stays in Japan.

Scottsdale - never has there been such a fantasy land. In some profound way it is even more imaginary than Vegas.

I just got back from Vegas and the place is really surreal. Outside of The Strip and its immediate area, it's depressing and ugly.

102 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:43:43pm

re: #101 moderatelyradicalliberal

I just got back from Vegas and the place is really surreal. Outside of The Strip and its immediate area, it's depressing and ugly.

You should see New Vegas.
/

103 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:44:46pm

re: #87 Gus

Don't these bozos know that New Mexico, Arizona, et al, were once a part of old Mexico? Part of Spanish territory.

The only thing that has ever existed is Our God Given US of A.

104 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:44:47pm

re: #100 Varek Raith

Department Of Justice Sues Florida Over Voter Purge

About time.

Good. Take that Lord Voldemort!

Image: 62c93aa8-aa5b-4368-9fe7-7ede4e582642.jpg

105 DesertDenizen  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:45:26pm

re: #99 freetoken

I did the snowbird thing in Arizona one winter, in between stays in Japan.

Scottsdale - never has there been such a fantasy land. In some profound way it is even more imaginary than Vegas.

Pretty much everyone I know from Tucson to the border refer to it as "Snobsdale".

About the only place worse is Sun City, though for different reasons.

106 Cheechako  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:45:37pm

re: #99 freetoken

I did the snowbird thing in Arizona one winter, in between stays in Japan.

Scottsdale - never has there been such a fantasy land. In some profound way it is even more imaginary than Vegas.

I hide out in the desert around Quartzsite with about 10,000 other RVers.

107 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:45:42pm

re: #101 moderatelyradicalliberal

I just got back from Vegas and the place is really surreal. Outside of The Strip and its immediate area, it's depressing and ugly.

OMG. I was there last summer. It's horribly impoverished and one bail bonds place after another.

108 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:45:52pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You and your Families.

109 compound_Idaho  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:50:39pm

re: #107 Gus

OMG. I was there last summer. It's horribly impoverished and one bail bonds place after another.

Northern NV is booming. gold @ $1600/oz

110 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:51:02pm

Oops.

There goes 176 million dollars.

111 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:53:34pm

re: #105 DesertDenizen

Pretty much everyone I know from Tucson to the border refer to it as "Snobsdale".

It was about the most un-Japan like place I could find to live. Such a contrast between Scottsdale and Japanese cities.

Each place is like a study in psychopathy - how environments simultaneously reflect as well as shape the human experience, as a group and as an individual.

112 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:53:37pm

re: #107 Gus

OMG. I was there last summer. It's horribly impoverished and one bail bonds place after another.

The truth is, it's like most places with tourism as the only real industry, it just doesn't have the physical beauty of New Orleans or Florida. It doesn't have an economic base outside of tourism like California and New York City. I went to college in Florida and always thought it was like a 3rd World country, enormous income inequality and a corrupt banana republic government. All the pretty places you see on TV are for tourists that can afford a few days and rich people, the locals don't have jack shit.

113 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:55:05pm

Just so people don't think I'm pulling data out of my bottom...

Gus mentioned Lake Havasu in the background of the cretin that caused this post.

If I am not mistaken, that lake is down stream of the Hoover Dam.

So let's look at what is in store for the Colorado River. This is a PNAS.

Sustainable water deliveries from the Colorado River in a changing climate

The Colorado River supplies water to 27 million users in 7 states and 2 countries and irrigates over 3 million acres of farmland. Global climate models almost unanimously project that human-induced climate change will reduce runoff in this region by 10–30%. This work explores whether currently scheduled future water deliveries from the Colorado River system are sustainable under different climate-change scenarios. If climate change reduces runoff by 10%, scheduled deliveries will be missed ≈58% of the time by 2050. If runoff reduces 20%, they will be missed ≈88% of the time. The mean shortfall when full deliveries cannot be met increases from ≈0.5–0.7 billion cubic meters per year (bcm/yr) in 2025 to ≈1.2–1.9 bcm/yr by 2050 out of a request of ≈17.3 bcm/yr. Such values are small enough to be manageable. The chance of a year with deliveries <14.5 bcm/yr increases to 21% by midcentury if runoff reduces 20%, but such low deliveries could be largely avoided by reducing scheduled deliveries. These results are computed by using estimates of Colorado River flow from the 20th century, which was unusually wet; if the river reverts to its long-term mean, shortfalls increase another 1–1.5 bcm/yr. With either climate-change or long-term mean flows, currently scheduled future water deliveries from the Colorado River are not sustainable. However, the ability of the system to mitigate droughts can be maintained if the various users of the river find a way to reduce average deliveries.

Emphasis mine.

Now as to the New Mexico Aquifer.

This from USGS:

Water-Level Changes in the High Plains Aquifer, Predevelopment to 2009, 2007–08, and 2008–09, and Change in Water in Storage, Predevelopment to 2009

"Total water in storage in the aquifer in 2009 was about 2.9 billion acre-feet, which was a decline of about 274 million acre-feet since predevelopment."

114 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:55:22pm

re: #110 Gus

Oops.

There goes 176 million dollars.

IRAN SHOT IT DOWNITY!11!11

115 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:56:06pm

re: #109 compound_Idaho

Northern NV is booming. gold @ $1600/oz

Surface mining? I drove across I80 over two day. Seemed like there was one prison after the other. Rather depressing to see that and they were all in the middle of nowhere and looked like concrete fortresses.

116 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:56:48pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

IRAN SHOT IT DOWNITY!11!11

Ugh. Don't read the comments. It's the usual stupidity.

117 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:57:07pm

re: #114 Varek Raith

IRAN SHOT IT DOWNITY!11!11

Politifact Rating: Mostly False.

118 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:57:33pm

re: #5 jaunte

Arizona State University:

Ron Gould wouldn't be where he is today without a lot of Federal money and generations of hard work from the people he's afraid of.

Nor, probably, would he be able to afford health care without his state employee plan. Trucks, gun, ammo and dogs are expensive toys.

119 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:57:50pm

re: #117 Varek Raith

Politifact Rating: Mostly False.

Alex Jones Rating: Completely True

120 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:57:59pm

And as to the New Mexico Aquifer:

This is from USGS

Water-Level Changes in the High Plains Aquifer, Predevelopment to 2009, 2007–08, and 2008–09, and Change in Water in Storage, Predevelopment to 2009

The area-weighted, average water-level changes in the aquifer were a decline of 14.0 feet from predevelopment to 2009, a decline of 0.1 foot from 2007–08, and a decline of 0.3 foot from 2008–09. Total water in storage in the aquifer in 2009 was about 2.9 billion acre-feet, which was a decline of about 274 million acre-feet since predevelopment.

121 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:58:59pm

re: #113 LudwigVanQuixote

There have been many studies of the Colorado River basin and the future of water. Scripps did one not too long ago.

We would have been in a critically low water condition now if the winter before last had not been the record precipitation year for the basin in general. That bought us about 24 months, but now the water levels are falling again. It will not be long before California, Arizona, and Nevada will have to come to an understanding on who will turn off the taps first.

However, the real estate industry in Vegas has forced the entire discussion to be hush-hush. Even President Obama had to bow to their pressures.

122 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:59:22pm

Penny's 3rd Year

Vimeo

“It takes courage to grow up and become who you really are.”
E. E. Cummings
123 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:59:35pm

Are comments much shorter now? I mean can we not post really long ones? my last post got truncated.

124 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 7:59:52pm

re: #116 Gus

Ugh. Don't read the comments. It's the usual stupidity.

Lol. Yeah, it was shot down. A drone. Not the flights out of National, BWI or Dulles. Nope. The drone.
Lol.

125 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:00:25pm

re: #121 freetoken

There have been many studies of the Colorado River basin and the future of water. Scripps did one not too long ago.

We would have been in a critically low water condition now if the winter before last had not been the record precipitation year for the basin in general. That bought us about 24 months, but now the water levels are falling again. It will not be long before California, Arizona, and Nevada will have to come to an understanding on who will turn off the taps first.

However, the real estate industry in Vegas has forced the entire discussion to be hush-hush. Even President Obama had to bow to their pressures.

I know... Politics and money always seem to outweigh data in America.

126 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:01:05pm

re: #123 LudwigVanQuixote

Are comments much shorter now? I mean can we not post really long ones? my last post got truncated.

That happens sometimes when you use certain characters.

127 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:01:36pm

OK... I'll try to do the whole post in parts...

Gus mentioned Lake Havasu in the background of the cretin that caused this post.

If I am not mistaken, that lake is down stream of the Hoover Dam.

So let's look at what is in store for the Colorado River. This is a PNAS.

Sustainable water deliveries from the Colorado River in a changing climate

The Colorado River supplies water to 27 million users in 7 states and 2 countries and irrigates over 3 million acres of farmland. Global climate models almost unanimously project that human-induced climate change will reduce runoff in this region by 10–30%. This work explores whether currently scheduled future water deliveries from the Colorado River system are sustainable under different climate-change scenarios.

128 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:02:51pm

re: #123 LudwigVanQuixote

Are comments much shorter now? I mean can we not post really long ones? my last post got truncated.

I suspect, as odd as that might sound, that you screwed up.

129 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:03:11pm

Continued...

If climate change reduces runoff by 10%, scheduled deliveries will be missed ≈58% of the time by 2050. If runoff reduces 20%, they will be missed ≈88% of the time. The mean shortfall when full deliveries cannot be met increases from ≈0.5–0.7 billion cubic meters per year (bcm/yr) in 2025 to ≈1.2–1.9 bcm/yr by 2050 out of a request of ≈17.3 bcm/yr.

Emphasis mine.

130 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:05:10pm

re: #127 LudwigVanQuixote

The problem is that the comment contained a < symbol - which looks like the start of an HTML tag.

I fixed it in the original comment -- you need to replace < symbols with &lt;...

131 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:05:20pm

Continued:

Now as to the New Mexico Aquifer.

This from USGS:

Water-Level Changes in the High Plains Aquifer, Predevelopment to 2009, 2007–08, and 2008–09, and Change in Water in Storage, Predevelopment to 2009

"Total water in storage in the aquifer in 2009 was about 2.9 billion acre-feet, which was a decline of about 274 million acre-feet since predevelopment."

132 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:05:29pm

re: #121 freetoken

I have read, climate change aside, that there is the possibility that the last few hundred years in the area have been an anomaly in terms of historical rainfall, just when people started building dams and casinos.

133 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:05:39pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

The problem is that the comment contained a < symbol - which looks like the start of an HTML tag.

I fixed it in the original comment -- you need to replace < symbols with &lt;...

Thanks!

134 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:06:08pm

re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote

Funny you should mention that... the Great lakes states have been talking about preserving "their" water from other states for years.

The rest of the Great Lakes states have repeated sued to close the Sanitary and Ship Canal running south from Chicago to the Illinois River to ensure Asian Carp do not enter Lake Michigan. So far, no such carp have been sighted in the lake and the Supreme Court* has always ruled in Illinois' favor.

*: Because the relevant agreement on the Great Lakes also has the Canadian Province of Ontario as a party to it, any inter-state disputes involving the Great Lakes go straight to the Supreme Court, which has original jurisdiction in such matter per the Constitution.

135 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:06:09pm

Even without the increased transpiration and pan evaporation (from global warming affecting the American SW), the Colorado River basin is doomed, because even at average 20th century flows we now demand more from it than it can give.

That's what is so stupid about people who are in the active denial campaign about water issues in the Southwest - it's already well known and a problem, without factoring in climate change.

136 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:07:26pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

The problem is that the comment contained a < symbol - which looks like the start of an HTML tag.

I fixed it in the original comment -- you need to replace < symbols with &lt;...

I will keep that in mind... I broke up the comment already anyway.

137 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:08:51pm

re: #128 Achilles Tang

I suspect, as odd as that might sound, that you screwed up.

Nah I just tried to quote the abstract with its less than signs...

138 compound_Idaho  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:10:28pm

re: #115 Gus

Last job I was on in Elko I mentioned that my daughter has just graduated from college in Denver and was having trouble finding work. My customer asked if she could drive a haul truck. If so, plenty of jobs.

400 tonne haul truck, 110 lb 4'11" woman with a college degree. I understand the pay is pretty good.

139 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:10:29pm

re: #124 Varek Raith

Lol. Yeah, it was shot down. A drone. Not the flights out of National, BWI or Dulles. Nope. The drone.
Lol.

They're another bunch of bozos. It's expensive but has many uses. They use one variant out of Dryden.

From NASA Global Hawk: A New Tool for Earth Science Research (PDF)

5.2 Scientific Instruments

The scientific payload suite for the GloPac missions consists of a combination of in situ and remote-sensing instruments. The majority of these instruments have flown on other airborne platforms, most notably the NASA ER-2 (Lockheed Martin Corporation, Bethesda, Maryland, USA) research aircraft. The twelve GloPac instruments include:

1. Airborne Compact Atmospheric Mapper (ACAM)
2. Autonomous Modular Sensor (AMS)
3. Cloud Physics LIDAR (CPL)
4. Meteorological Measurement Systems (MMS)
5. Microwave Temperature Profiler (MTP)
6. Miniature Visual Imaging System (MVis)
7. Nuclei Mode Aerosol Size Spectrometer (NMASS)
8. Focused Cavity Aerosol Spectrometer (FCAS)
9. Global Hawk UAS Ozone Photometer (Ozone)
10. UAS Chromatograph for Atmospheric Trace
Species (UCATS)
11. Ultra-High Sensitivity Aerosol Spectrometer

140 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:11:09pm

re: #135 freetoken

That's what is so stupid about people who are in the active denial campaign about water issues in the Southwest - it's already well known and a problem, without factoring in climate change.

The people who want to punt all our problems into future generations are the same ones who want to destroy the education system. Conservative politics are based on selfish greed. All that matters is that there is enough for me. As for the kids and the grandkids? They're F*ed and it aint my problem.

141 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:11:14pm

re: #139 Gus

They're another bunch of bozos. It's expensive but has many uses. They use one variant out of Dryden.

From NASA Global Hawk: A New Tool for Earth Science Research (PDF)

Plus, it looks cool!

142 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:11:20pm

re: #136 LudwigVanQuixote

I sometimes keep the Special Characters palette open (in MacOSX) for just such occasions as needing math symbols.

≤≮≲⩻

143 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:11:57pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

Plus, it looks cool!

Alien!

144 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:12:12pm

re: #142 freetoken

I sometimes keep the Special Characters palette open (in MacOSX) for just such occasions as needing math symbols.

≤≮≲⩻

And your Christmas ones. :P

145 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:12:13pm

re: #115 Gus

Surface mining? I drove across I80 over two day. Seemed like there was one prison after the other. Rather depressing to see that and they were all in the middle of nowhere and looked like concrete fortresses.

Big holes in the ground. I got to the bottom of a pit in Elko a few years back. You don't sometimes realize how monstrous those hauling trucks are until you're following right behind one and realize that each tire is the size of the vehicle you're riding in yourself.

146 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:12:40pm

re: #138 compound_Idaho

Last job I was on in Elko I mentioned that my daughter has just graduated from college in Denver and was having trouble finding work. My customer asked if she could drive a haul truck. If so, plenty of jobs.

400 tonne haul truck, 110 lb 4'11" woman with a college degree. I understand the pay is pretty good.

I think I've seen some shows where women are driving 4000 ton (exaggerated) mining monsters. I think they scratch them less than the men.

147 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:13:11pm

re: #105 DesertDenizen

Pretty much everyone I know from Tucson to the border refer to it as "Snobsdale".

About the only place worse is Sun City, though for different reasons.

Isn't Sun City "God's Waiting Room West" (East being South Florida)?

148 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:13:28pm

re: #135 freetoken

Even without the increased transpiration and pan evaporation (from global warming affecting the American SW), the Colorado River basin is doomed, because even at average 20th century flows we now demand more from it than it can give.

That's what is so stupid about people who are in the active denial campaign about water issues in the Southwest - it's already well known and a problem, without factoring in climate change.

Dealing with the problem would mean giving things up and excepting natural limitations, and far too many Americans have not been raised to do that. Now that still wouldn't be too bad if they responded to challenges with a determination to power through and solve them. But these days far too many people seem to expect someone else to solve large-scale problems for them, and they become hostile at even the thought of sustained sacrifice.

149 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:14:45pm

re: #105 DesertDenizen

Pretty much everyone I know from Tucson to the border refer to it as "Snobsdale".

About the only place worse is Sun City, though for different reasons.

Yes, well my aunt lives there and I trust you'll make an exception for her.

150 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:15:38pm

Dark... sustained sacrifice is for commie leftard pussies. Even if it's the right thing to do.

We really are screwed.

151 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:18:22pm

re: #112 moderatelyradicalliberal

The truth is, it's like most places with tourism as the only real industry, it just doesn't have the physical beauty of New Orleans or Florida. It doesn't have an economic base outside of tourism like California and New York City. I went to college in Florida and always thought it was like a 3rd World country, enormous income inequality and a corrupt banana republic government. All the pretty places you see on TV are for tourists that can afford a few days and rich people, the locals don't have jack shit.

A film for you:

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

152 funky chicken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:19:19pm

re: #110 Gus

Oops.

There goes 176 million dollars.

Maybe the Navy should just let the AF handle the Global Hawk program. ... Seriously, how do they lose communication over CONUS? And why didn't the thing just fly a holding pattern until communication was re-established...unless they crashed it before communication went dead. The only excuse might be a lightning strike, but why would they fly training exercises in an electrical storm?

Massive fail.

153 Kragar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:20:19pm

So if I understand GOP rhetoric lately, we're getting rid of education, health, and public safety and replacing it with unregulated predatory capitalism, religious dogma and undisguised bigotry and hatred of anything that varies from an extremely narrow ethnocentric viewpoint based on faulty reasoning.

Great plan.

154 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:20:41pm

re: #142 freetoken

I sometimes keep the Special Characters palette open (in MacOSX) for just such occasions as needing math symbols.

≤≮≲⩻

I love that you have a D'Alembertian there too.

155 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:21:56pm

re: #150 Kronocide

Dark... sustained sacrifice is for commie leftard pussies. Even if it's the right thing to do.

We really are screwed.

I'd say that Ronald Reagan did and both presidents Bush do feel otherwise, but in so doing I might only succeed in answering my own question.

156 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:22:41pm

re: #152 funky chicken

Maybe the Navy should just let the AF handle the Global Hawk program. ... Seriously, how do they lose communication over CONUS? And why didn't the thing just fly a holding pattern until communication was re-established...unless they crashed it before communication went dead. The only excuse might be a lightning strike, but why would they fly training exercises in an electrical storm?

Massive fail.

I'll wait for the official report.

157 funky chicken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:22:43pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Dealing with the problem would mean giving things up and excepting natural limitations, and far too many Americans have not been raised to do that. Now that still wouldn't be too bad if they responded to challenges with a determination to power through and solve them. But these days far too many people seem to expect someone else to solve large-scale problems for them, and they become hostile at even the thought of sustained sacrifice.

People like Grover Norquist?

158 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:24:33pm

re: #156 Gus

I'll wait for the official report.

Shit breaks. New shit finds new ways to break.

159 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:24:59pm

Contrary to the common wisdom that says Gold will hold its value because it has a constant supply, Gold mining adds about 2500 tonnes per year to the global supply, about 3-4% of the total. So at current prices, it takes about $130 billion just to buy the newly mined gold each year. I have a hard time seeing how it will increase in value forever like the wingnuts like to say.

160 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:25:05pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Shit breaks. New shit finds new ways to break.

I was wondering if they had collision coverage. ;)

161 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:25:12pm

re: #140 Mich-again

The people who want to punt all our problems into future generations are the same ones who want to destroy the education system. Conservatism politics are based on selfish greed. All that matters is that there is enough for me. As for the kids and the grandkids? They're F*ed and it aint my problem.

That's right.

May the realization that these goons are murdering your children and grand children encourage you to speak out every damn chance you get.

162 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:26:24pm

re: #158 Decatur Deb

Shit breaks. New shit finds new ways to break.

Stupid Murphy.

163 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:26:47pm

re: #162 Varek Raith

Stupid Murphy.

Gremlins!

164 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:27:01pm

re: #160 Gus

I was wondering if they had collision coverage. ;)

Responsibility for a crash gets very fuzzy when more than one service is involved, especially if there are contractors involved under 'bailment'.

165 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:27:03pm

re: #159 Mich-again

Contrary to the common wisdom that says Gold will hold its value because it has a constant supply, Gold mining adds about 2500 tonnes per year to the global supply, about 3-4% of the total. So at current prices, it takes about $130 billion just to buy the newly mined gold each year. I have a hard time seeing how it will increase in value forever like the wingnuts like to say.

Well how about NOTHING increases in value forever. That assumes demand is forever. If you want to become rich in the future, and enjoy some wealth before it is taken from you, buy water.

Wingnuts never could understand closed systems.

166 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:27:20pm

re: #160 Gus

I was wondering if they had collision coverage. ;)

These guys didn't.
[Link: www.cracked.com...]

167 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:27:30pm

re: #161 LudwigVanQuixote

That's right.

May the realization that these goons are murdering your children and grand children encourage you to speak out every damn chance you get.

Oh but they are very passionate about the rights of the unborn. They are very concerned about babies up until the moment they are born.

168 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:30:03pm

Hey all?

How is your evening going?

169 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:30:05pm

re: #167 Mich-again

Oh but they are very passionate about the rights of the unborn. They are very concerned about babies up until the moment they are born.

So they are stinking, stupid, slappable hypocrites.

Those of us who actually love our kids need to be very real. Time is running out to make a difference.

170 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:30:31pm

Hmm. Washington Post says it was 46 million for the Global Hawk.

171 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:31:00pm

re: #165 LudwigVanQuixote

Well how about NOTHING increases in value forever. That assumes demand is forever. If you want to become rich in the future, and enjoy some wealth before it is taken from you, buy water.

Wingnuts never could understand closed systems.

Economics is a series of complicated matters not honestly reduced to slogans. But politicians and advertisers must use slogans, regardless of their truth, so complex matters find themselves hindered by slogans delivered in disregard of the truth.

172 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:31:25pm

re: #161 LudwigVanQuixote

That's right.

May the realization that these goons are murdering your children and grand children encourage you to speak out every damn chance you get.

Yes, any semblence of my parent's conservatism is gone.

173 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:31:27pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

These guys didn't.
[Link: www.cracked.com...]

There's FDR again. Coincidence?

//

174 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:31:54pm

re: #172 ggt

Yes, any semblence of my parent's conservatism is gone.

Huzzah!

175 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:32:49pm

Rahm Emmanual is on Conan tonite.

Kid is watching in the other room.

176 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:33:30pm

Conan is doing a Chicago citizenship test on Rahm.

177 funky chicken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:33:35pm

Hey, on a lighter note, I have to thank these fellas for making me less embarrassed to live in Oklahoma. Who knew OK could seem sane? Of course we still have lots of die-hard Ron Paul supporters...because recovery from those tornadoes in 1999 didn't involve any federal resources. Uh huh.

178 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:33:47pm

Only a couple of comments at Russia Today (hurl). Here's a fun one.

Giant Robo (unregistered)

I hope the truth is the illegal spy machine was blown out of the sky purposefully by American citizen(s). Could this be beginning of Americans standing up for their rights & taking their country back?
I hope so.

Good times!

Derp.

179 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:34:14pm

re: #170 Gus

Hmm. Washington Post says it was 46 million for the Global Hawk.

Probably cost to build a replacement tail number, without adding a portion of the R&D and support.

180 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:35:29pm

Gah. Another one:

Sooner rather than later, USA UAV assassination drones across America will be shot at and shoot down. Specialists sent to recover the digital control boards will sooner or later also likely be shot at or hit by rifle fire.

As these UAV's crash across America it is unlikely media will release such new events unless they surface thru alternative blogs and non-western media outlets such as RT...

181 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:35:48pm

Night all... Bed time for me.. again, much work tomorrow.

182 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:36:06pm

The biggest threat to the country right now . . .

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The Green Bay Packers .

183 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:36:07pm

re: #180 Gus

Gah. Another one:

Lol.

184 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:36:14pm

re: #181 LudwigVanQuixote

Night all... Bed time for me.. again, much work tomorrow.

Good to have you around for a while.

185 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:36:33pm

re: #175 ggt

Rahm Emmanual is on Conan tonite.

I wonder if they'll talk about the 10 dead and 44 wounded in gun violence in Chicago over this past weekend.

186 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:36:43pm

re: #183 Varek Raith

Lol.

IT WAS SPYING ON OUR ROOFS!

187 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:36:59pm

re: #185 Mich-again

I wonder if they'll talk about the 10 dead and 44 wounded in gun violence in Chicago over this past weekend.

Could be worse . . .

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:37:12pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

Good to have you around for a while.

Yeah, sorry I missed it.

189 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:37:16pm

Well, here's some good procurement news: The USS Mississippi, the newest Virginia class sub to enter service. Her sea trials were smooth and largely trouble free and General Dynamics' Electric Boat yard in Groton, Connecticut delivered her on time and under budget.

190 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:37:42pm

re: #183 Varek Raith

Lol.

Coming up next. Defense EXPERTS Naomi Wolf and Glenn Greenwald on Russia Today.

//

191 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:37:50pm

re: #178 Gus

Only a couple of comments at Russia Today (hurl). Here's a fun one.

Good times!

Derp.

There is no Tass in Pradva and no Pravda in Tass. I wonder how many people don't realize RT is just Pravda's new name.

192 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:38:20pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

Good to have you around for a while.

Thanks very much!

Now, alas I mean it, I must be off to bed. Woman insistent.

193 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:38:40pm

re: #189 Dark_Falcon

Well, here's some good procurement news: The USS Mississippi, the newest Virginia class sub to enter service. Her sea trials were smooth and largely trouble free and General Dynamics' Electric Boat yard in Groton, Connecticut delivered her on time and under budget.

That class is an updated Sea Wolf, yes?

194 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:38:58pm

re: #191 LudwigVanQuixote

There is no Tass in Pradva and no Pravda in Tass. I wonder how many people don't realize RT is just Pravda's new name.

Yep. It's basically run out of the Kremlin (i.e. owned). They remind me of Iran's PressTV.

195 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:39:17pm

Required cuteness.

196 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:39:47pm

re: #195 ggt

Required cuteness.

I got your nose!
I EAT YOUR NOSE!

197 funky chicken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:41:01pm

re: #170 Gus

Hmm. Washington Post says it was 46 million for the Global Hawk.

They bought it used. LOL. And don't hold your breath on finding out who screwed the pooch. Details on Global Hawk ops are still kinda sooper top sekrit.

198 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:41:10pm

re: #196 Varek Raith

I got your nose!
I EAT YOUR NOSE!

it is NOT a zombie puppy.

The implication is simply WRONG! VAREK!!!!

199 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:41:47pm

Image: funny-cat-pictures-lolcats-cheezburger.jpg

200 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:42:00pm

So my kid got a stylus for his iPhone and I swiped it.

I had no idea how helpful they are.

OMG, where have I been?

201 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:42:28pm

re: #197 funky chicken

They bought it used. LOL. And don't hold your breath on finding out who screwed the pooch. Details on Global Hawk ops are still kinda sooper top sekrit.

Actually it was a "hand me down" from the USAF.

202 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:43:10pm

Image: funny-animal-captions-animal-capshunz-ebil-planz.jpg

203 alpuz  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:43:28pm

re: #171 Dark_Falcon

I so want to rip this comment apart( I'm parsing my words right now) based upon your previous support of my current Guv, and sloganeer in chief, Scott Walker.

How do you feel about the demonizing of teachers and public unions to circumvent these 'complex matters'?

204 funky chicken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:43:50pm

re: #172 ggt

Yes, any semblence of my parent's conservatism is gone.

Sadly, my dad has fallen in with the Tea Party crowd. I get all the loony emails. Sigh. My husband and I respond sometimes to the obviously counter-factual and alarmist ones.

205 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:44:33pm

Which I came across in one story. Anywho. Here's the Navy's official website for the program:

BAMS UAS | NAVAIR - U.S. Navy Naval Air Systems Command - Navy and Marine Corps Aviation Research, Development, Acquisition, Test and Evaluation

206 funky chicken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:44:59pm

re: #201 Gus

AKA bought it used.

207 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:45:25pm

re: #204 funky chicken

Sadly, my dad has fallen in with the Tea Party crowd. I get all the loony emails. Sigh. My husband and I respond sometimes to the obviously counter-factual and alarmist ones.

I wish I could come-up with a visual that might help this generation understand that the world is not what they think it is.

Like 50% of babies born are not white --and are mostly middle class. That this kids need to be fed, housed and cared for. They are not undocumented immigrants, or second-class citizens. They are the Future of America.

208 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:46:06pm

re: #193 Varek Raith

That class is an updated Sea Wolf, yes?

Actually, its more a Los Angeles-class SSN, updated with technology developed for the Seawolf-class. The three Seawolves are actually bigger that both their predecessors and successors in production.

Even though the Seawolf-class proven too expensive, it did pay a critical dividend in that the technology designed for it was fitted into a smaller sub that can be thus built for a low enough unit price to allow them to built in useful numbers.

209 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:48:05pm

I'm going to stay out of the drone discussion for work reasons.

211 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:49:09pm

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

I'm going to stay out of the drone discussion for work reasons.

Why can't you talk about bees?

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:50:36pm

Image: 292183_399724853407363_1474940534_n.jpg

213 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:50:38pm

re: #211 ggt

Why can't you talk about bees?

Borg.

214 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:50:41pm

re: #211 ggt

Why can't you talk about bees?

They're unionized and do interpretive dance?

215 funky chicken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:50:57pm

re: #180 Gus

Gah. Another one:

Um...that's an amazing blend of extreme stupid and crazy all in one comment. Global Hawks aren't armed, and um, Jesus.

OK, off to bed for me. These people have moved on from the black helicopter theory to "assassination drones" now? Wow.

216 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:50:57pm

re: #206 funky chicken

AKA bought it used.

From Aviation Week:

The aircraft, a Block 10 RQ-4 version equipped with maritime sensors, was being used by the U.S. Navy as part of tests in the run-up to delivery of the initial purpose-built MQ-4C. The first of these is scheduled to be handed over to the Navy at a special ceremony at Northrop Grumman’s Palmdale, Calif., facility on June 14.

...

The RQ-4 involved in the accident was one of five acquired from the Air Force Global Hawk program for the BAMS-D effort, which has been developing tactics and doctrine for the employment of high-altitude unmanned patrol aircraft since late 2006.

So the Navy will get their own on Thursday.

217 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:50:59pm

re: #211 ggt

Why can't you talk about bees?

[smiles]

218 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:51:39pm

Speaking of drones...

Youtube Video
219 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:51:55pm

interesting

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:53:09pm

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221 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:53:44pm

re: #204 funky chicken

Sadly, my dad has fallen in with the Tea Party crowd. I get all the loony emails. Sigh. My husband and I respond sometimes to the obviously counter-factual and alarmist ones.

I have a new litmus test for idiocy based on what I read at Conservapedia.. "So, then, did Noah bring the dinosaurs onto the ark or not?" And much to my surprise/shock, I actually had someone I've known a long time without realizing how nutty they were answer with an emphatic yes, along with an explanation of how carbon dating is a farce and how Marco Polo wrote about seeing dinosaurs in his travels.

You think you know someone..

222 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:56:25pm

re: #221 Mich-again

I have a new litmus test for idiocy based on what I read at Conservapedia.. "So, then, did Noah bring the dinosaurs onto the ark or not?" And much to my surprise/shock, I actually had someone I've known a long time without realizing how nutty they were answer with an emphatic yes, along with an explanation of how carbon dating is a farce and how Marco Polo wrote about seeing dinosaurs in his travels.

You think you know someone..

The ark could have been some sort of space-ship that was made of wood and came popped-in this reality thru a quantum shift after our rains had stopped . . . .

just saying . . . .

LOL

223 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:56:47pm

re: #219 ggt

interesting

Rather biased, I must say, and it does not point out that the taxes at the end of both world wars were as high as they were to fund those wars. That taxes would go down somewhat after the wars was necessary and proper. Nor does it mention when during the 1930's-1940's taxes went up, nor still that many of those postwar tax rate reductions were coupled to cuts in allowed deductions.

224 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 8:57:27pm

re: #214 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

They're unionized and do interpretive dance?

And seem to be disappearing. It's a big problem for farmers.

225 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:00:07pm

re: #224 ggt

And seem to be disappearing. It's a big problem for farmers.

Maybe someone should ask Romney in a press conference what his thoughts are regarding the ongoing shortage of pollenizers in the US agricultural sector. I'm sure an interesting answer will be forthcoming.

226 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:01:17pm


Colony collapse disorder.

227 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:03:07pm

re: #224 ggt

And seem to be disappearing. It's a big problem for farmers.

It's those darned killer bees, I tells ya!!1 They're from Africa and nothin' good comes outta there, just look at that Kenyan in the White House!!11 And to top it all off they're joining the Mexicans in invadin' America from the south. You wanna save Real Americans and Real American Bees, you gotta run them furriners off!!!11

/I'm sure a number of Rush's listeners think like this.

228 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:04:09pm

re: #225 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Maybe someone should ask Romney in a press conference what his thoughts are regarding the ongoing shortage of pollenizers in the US agricultural sector. I'm sure an interesting answer will be forthcoming.

I doubt he'd understand, nor would Obama. Both are frankly too busy to know about such a thing.

229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:05:18pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Rather biased, I must say, and it does not point out that the taxes at the end of both world wars were as high as they were to fund those wars. That taxes would go down somewhat after the wars was necessary and proper. Nor does it mention when during the 1930's-1940's taxes went up, nor still that many of those postwar tax rate reductions were coupled to cuts in allowed deductions.

NO, I thought what was interesting is that when the rich have excess money, in both instances banks were not responsible in their efforts to capitalize on it.

Both banking failures happened when, in theory, the excess funds by the wealthy should have helped the economy.

230 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:05:32pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Rather biased, I must say, and it does not point out that the taxes at the end of both world wars were as high as they were to fund those wars.

Which says something about the lack of wisdom in fighting two wars while cutting taxes, especially on the weathiest who profited most from them. Funny how deficits only became an issue once a black Democrat became President and had the integrity to put the war expenses officially on the books. When the debt obligations were being made along with destabilizing financial deregulations we had a VP who argued with a straight face that "deficits don't matter," and the slavering dogs in his party lapped it up like it was their own vomit.

231 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:05:57pm
Research conducted by the Harvard School of Public Health provides strong evidence that CCD is caused by imidacloprid, one of the most widely used pesticides.[25] The study will be published in the June 2012 issue of the Bulletin of Insectology.
232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:06:29pm

re: #231 Varek Raith

yep, really horrible unintended consequences.

233 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:10:55pm

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

/I'm sure a number of Rush's listeners think like this.

Yea, what did Africa ever do for us? I mean aside from Homo Erectus it has never done anything good. Well, there's coffee too, but beyond that...
//

234 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:10:55pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Rather biased, I must say, and it does not point out that the taxes at the end of both world wars were as high as they were to fund those wars. That taxes would go down somewhat after the wars was necessary and proper. Nor does it mention when during the 1930's-1940's taxes went up, nor still that many of those postwar tax rate reductions were coupled to cuts in allowed deductions.

When Americans had to pay higher taxes right now to pay for wars, it brought the war home to every household. With the Iraq war, it seemed like the war effort was practically detached from the American public, almost like it was just another story filling up the cable news coverage.

I remember seeing a photograph a friend of mine posted from his son who was a marine back at the time. It said something like, "America is not at war. The Marines are at war. Americans are at the mall."

That is one of the problems of putting the whole war effort on the credit card like we did in Iraq. If the American people (who don't have a family or friend serving) don't have to pay for the war as we go, they tend to not give a flying F* about it.

235 Kragar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:11:42pm

re: #233 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Yea, what did Africa ever do for us? I mean aside from Homo Erectus it has never done anything good. Well, there's coffee too, but beyond that...
//

Bryan Fischer has a few things to say about Homo Erectus...

236 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:11:56pm

re: #229 ggt

NO, I thought what was interesting is that when the rich have excess money, in both instances banks were not responsible in their efforts to capitalize on it.

Both banking failures happened when, in theory, the excess funds by the wealthy should have helped the economy.

The causes of both failures are broader than that, tough, and in the case of 2008 there are plenty of middle and even some working class people who should come in for their share of the blame.

237 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:12:31pm
It's those darned killer bees, I tells ya!!1 They're from Africa and nothin' good comes outta there, just look at that Kenyan in the White House!!11 And to top it all off they're joining the Mexicans in invadin' America from the south. You wanna save Real Americans and Real American Bees, you gotta run them furriners off!!!11

I did not realize the Wu Tang Clan had a hand in colony collapse disorder.

Youtube Video
238 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:13:08pm

re: #234 Mich-again

When Americans had to pay higher taxes right now to pay for wars, it brought the war home to every household. With the Iraq war, it seemed like the war effort was almost detached from the American public, almost like it was just another story filling up the cable news coverage.

I remember seeing a photograph a friend of mine posted from his son who was a marine back at the time. It said something like, "America is not at war. The Marines are at war. Americans are at the mall."

That is one of the problems of putting the whole war effort on the credit card like we did in Iraq. If the American people (who don't have a family or friend serving) don't have to pay for the war as we go, they tend to not give a flying F* about it.

I do remember a national feeling of cooperation after 9-11. We were all waiting to hear from D.C. what was needed of us and all we heard was, "go shopping.

So, I gave money to the USO. I thought the Administration at the time really dropped the ball.

239 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:13:52pm

re: #235 Kragar

Bryan Fischer has a few things to say about Homo Erectus...

And Ursus arctos horribilis as well.

240 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:14:28pm

re: #231 Varek Raith

re: #232 ggt

All these reports of studies trying to find one single cause of CCD are missing an extremely important concept: interaction.

Why, for example, are you told not to take sleeping pills with alcohol? Because they interact in such a way that makes their default effects dangerous.

I'm convinced the same thing is happening with bees. If they were only facing the deadly virus carried by the varoa mite, perhaps they could recover. If they were only facing the pesticide imidacloprid, perhaps CCD could be staved off.

But when you combine the pesticide and the virus and the fact bees are, in essence, being forced to eat only one type of food (through having to pollinate monocultures)...what's happening to their immune systems? They're left in a weakened state, more vulnerable to any threat that comes their way. They're being battered on numerous fronts, and could very well go extinct in your lifetimes.

Political leaders damn bloody well better be reading up about that!

241 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:15:51pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

The causes of both failures are broader than that, tough, and in the case of 2008 there are plenty of middle and even some working class people who should come in for their share of the blame.

I'm afraid you are incorrect. It was caused by the banks gambling with default swaps and other complicated schemes.

242 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:16:23pm

re: #239 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

And Ursus arctos horribilis as well.

Though I hear he says nice things about "Momma Grizzlys", though he only does that to placate the audience. I can't imagine that man would ever really be at ease with even Sarah Palin holding executive power, since that would place her over men, and I'm sure he finds that a "perversion".

243 Mattand  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:16:50pm

re: #204 funky chicken

Sadly, my dad has fallen in with the Tea Party crowd. I get all the loony emails. Sigh. My husband and I respond sometimes to the obviously counter-factual and alarmist ones.

I was getting some pre-Tea Party stuff from my dad a few years ago, along with the typical urban legend shit (don't microwave food in plastic, gangs at the mall, etc.) A few well-placed Snopes links and some blunt critiques of the Fox News ones eventually stopped them.

244 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:17:45pm

re: #233 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Yea, what did Africa ever do for us? I mean aside from Homo Erectus it has never done anything good. Well, there's coffee too, but beyond that...
//

Africa helped Europe with its, ahem, human resources issues for about five hundred years.

245 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:17:49pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

I'm afraid you are incorrect. It was caused by the banks gambling with default swaps and other complicated schemes.

And people buying homes they could not afford. Such people are not the main cause of the crash, they did have a role in it.

246 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:18:29pm

re: #240 Interesting Times

re: #232 ggt

All these reports of studies trying to find one single cause of CCD are missing an extremely important concept: interaction.

Why, for example, are you told not to take sleeping pills with alcohol? Because they interact in such a way that makes their default effects dangerous.

I'm convinced the same thing is happening with bees. If they were only facing the deadly virus carried by the varoa mite, perhaps they could recover. If they were only facing the pesticide imidacloprid, perhaps CCD could be staved off.

But when you combine the pesticide and the virus and the fact bees are, in essence, being forced to eat only one type of food (through having to pollinate monocultures)...what's happening to their immune systems? They're left in a weakened state, more vulnerable to any threat that comes their way. They're being battered on numerous fronts, and could very well go extinct in your lifetimes.

Political leaders damn bloody well better be reading up about that!

You are correct. I don't think there is a "magic bullet" answer, which is probably why we don't hear about it so much. Not as newsworthy. Certainly not politically worth candidates time.

Romney would have to admit that we need Darwin's ideas about biological science and Obama would have to admit no resolution has happened during his watch.

247 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:18:59pm

re: #242 Dark_Falcon

Though I hear he says nice things about "Momma Grizzlys", though he only does that to placate the audience. I can't imagine that man would ever really be at ease with even Sarah Palin holding executive power, since that would place her over men, and I'm sure he finds that a "perversion".

He would love Sarah to have a position of power "over him".

248 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:20:34pm

So Bryan and Sarah could sit down over a cup of tea and discuss the bears and the bees?
:)

249 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:20:39pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

The causes of both failures are broader than that, tough, and in the case of 2008 there are plenty of middle and even some working class people who should come in for their share of the blame.

Individually some people signed for loans they couldn't afford, so the hell what? They didn't cause the crash, they didn't even come close. The blame lies with the institutional gate keepers who were chasing short term profits instead of doing their actual jobs. They had a fiduciary duty to perform their due diligence, to at least try to ensure the long term health of the markets that depended on those loans having structural integrity. You always want to perform some bullshit levels of analysis dodge to spread the blame all around instead of looking at who actually held the keys and asking them why they weren't minding the goddamned store.

250 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:20:49pm

re: #244 The Ghost of a Flea

Africa helped Europe with its, ahem, human resources issues for about five hundred years.

More like 370 years, 400 at most and that only if you want to call Brazil 'European'.

/accuracy fanatic

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:20:50pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

And people buying homes they could not afford. Such people are not the main cause of the crash, they did have a role in it.

I have to admit I am totally disappointed that so many people took the bait. It's insane to me to think that many people are that stupid.

I do understand no one could foresee the drop in housing prices. But some the loans people signed were insane and that the bankers offered them is pure irresponsibility and greed.

252 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:22:17pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

And people buying homes they could not afford. Such people are not the main cause of the crash, they did have a role in it.

A stupidly minor role compared to the banks.

253 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:22:49pm

re: #243 mattand

I was getting some pre-Tea Party stuff from my dad a few years ago, along with the typical urban legend shit (don't microwave food in plastic, gangs at the mall, etc.) A few well-placed Snopes links and some blunt critiques of the Fox News ones eventually stopped them.

Actually, the plastic thing is scary. CDC, HHS, one of them is or was looking into it. Haven't followed it for a while, so I don't know the results, if any.

254 blueraven  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:23:30pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Rather biased, I must say, and it does not point out that the taxes at the end of both world wars were as high as they were to fund those wars. That taxes would go down somewhat after the wars was necessary and proper. Nor does it mention when during the 1930's-1940's taxes went up, nor still that many of those postwar tax rate reductions were coupled to cuts in allowed deductions.

Reducing taxes during two wars was fucking economically negligent.

255 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:24:02pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

The causes of both failures are broader than that, tough, and in the case of 2008 there are plenty of middle and even some working class people who should come in for their share of the blame.

One group of people who always elude blame for a share of the housing crisis are the local city and township zoning boards across the country. The local yokels employed the strategy to force home builders to build McMansions because the very large homes came with bigtime property tax revenues and not many kids the municipality would have to pay to educate. What could go wrong? Then both parties worked to coerce banks to keep financing the mortgages. When the bottom fell out, no one went back and pointed a finger at the zoning laws that forced builders to go big.

256 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:24:13pm

I still don't understand the ratings agencies. They mis-rated all those loans, they got sold with the wrong ratings and these rating companies are still in business, haven't been fined and down-graded the US credit rating and people listened to them.

257 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:24:45pm

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

Oh, those guys failed utterly, and I don't deny it. But I don't like casting the public as blameless. I'd rather spread some, but not most, of the blame around to remind everyone that the simply blaming the banks isn't enough and reduce claims of victimization by those who should not be claiming victim status.

258 Interesting Times  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:26:13pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Oh, those guys failed utterly, and I don't deny it. But I don't like casting the public as blameless. I'd rather spread some, but not most, of the blame around to remind everyone that the simply blaming the banks isn't enough and reduce claims of victimization by those who should not be claiming victim status.

The only people I see doing that are the plutocratic ponzi schemers who caused all this crap to begin with.

259 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:27:53pm

JPMorgan lost >2billion recently playing these same stupid games that caused the crash to begin with.

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:28:16pm

Having worked clerical jobs in the insurance and financing industry and having multiple roommates and friends doing the same in the mortgage industry when I was younger . . . ., I couldn't believe some of the things being allowed while we were looking for our last home and subsequent re-fi's.

Freaky stuff to someone who was used to having to cross every "t" and dot every "i" as if the State and Federal Auditors were going to see every document I touched.

261 Varek Raith  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:29:38pm

Banks should act like banks, not freaking casinos.

262 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:29:42pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Oh, those guys failed utterly, and I don't deny it. But I don't like casting the public as blameless. I'd rather spread some, but not most, of the blame around to remind everyone that the simply blaming the banks isn't enough and reduce claims of victimization by those who should not be claiming victim status.

People really are that stupid, DF. Bankers, and everyone else along the line gambled on it and lost everyone's money but their own.

263 Mattand  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:30:14pm

re: #253 ggt

Actually, the plastic thing is scary. CDC, HHS, one of them is or was looking into it. Haven't followed it for a while, so I don't know the results, if any.

The Mayo Clinic is saying don't use non-microwave safe stuff but overall they're calling it busted.

264 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:32:30pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Oh, those guys failed utterly, and I don't deny it. But I don't like casting the public as blameless. I'd rather spread some, but not most, of the blame around to remind everyone that the simply blaming the banks isn't enough and reduce claims of victimization by those who should not be claiming victim status.

A lot of people who took bad loans did so under advice from professionals who told them it would work. There's been quite a bit of reporting on how cynical loan companies and lending agencies were in pushing bad financial instruments...convincing buyers that they could afford things they couldn't. There's a line between caveat emptor and "you fucked up; you trusted us."

265 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:32:59pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

Banks should act like banks, not freaking casinos.

Youtube Video
266 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:34:26pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

I'm afraid you are incorrect. It was caused by the banks gambling with default swaps and other complicated schemes.

NO the working class, those who actually produce. They are to blame. GOP blame game.

267 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:35:00pm

There should be enough checks and balances along the path a homeowner seeking to be a mortgage holder.

From pre-qualifying for the loan, insurance-to-value requirements, down-payment requirements, etc.

Banks were buying loans that insurance companies wouldn't insure for full value, the estimators were mis-representing the value of the homes on the inspections, brokers were pushing things thru --banks were buying the loans, ratings companies were mis-rating them.

It was a systemic problem. Everyone was getting a piece, no one wanted to be left out --especially the prospective homeowner who wanted a home like the Jone's. Advertising and Marketing campaigns didn't disuade them. No one offered classes or self-help books on how to buy a home one can afford.

268 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:35:06pm

Seeing as the full faith and credit of the American taxpayers are the only collateral that permits the Fed to keep lending money to the banks at essentially no interest, I'd like to see the banks automatically reduce the mortgage rates for anyone who has maintained their mortgage payments for the last 10 years down to 4%, without requiring a new appraisal.

So many homeowners would benefit by refinancing, but because there have been so many panic sales and defaults, the comparables in their neighborhoods are depressed so they can't get an appraisal to allow refinancing and they're stuck at 6% or higher mortgage rates, while the banks only pay 0.5% prime.

This would be a bona-fide stimulus for middle America. And the banks would still make a nice profit.

269 Mattand  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:35:14pm

re: #264 The Ghost of a Flea

A lot of people who took bad loans did so under advice from professionals who told them it would work. There's been quite a bit of reporting on how cynical loan companies and lending agencies were in pushing bad financial instruments...convincing buyers that they could afford things they couldn't. There's a line between caveat emptor and "you fucked up; you trusted us."

We had quite a few mortgage companies try to push an adjustable rate mortgage on us. This was our first home and a huge learning curve, but the whole ARM concept seemed like a bad idea.

270 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:35:51pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

Banks should act like banks, not freaking casinos.

Motto of the banking industry.. Capitalize the profits, Socialize the losses.

271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:36:33pm

re: #263 mattand

The Mayo Clinic is saying don't use non-microwave safe stuff but overall they're calling it busted.

Good to know. I was also thinking of the plastics with the estrogen pre-cursor protein chain or whatever it is called.

My recall sucks.

272 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:37:44pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Oh, those guys failed utterly, and I don't deny it. But I don't like casting the public as blameless. I'd rather spread some, but not most, of the blame around to remind everyone that the simply blaming the banks isn't enough and reduce claims of victimization by those who should not be claiming victim status.

Let me remind you:

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it."
-Agent K

Oh, but let's spread some of the blame on the dumb panicky animals instead of the smart, educated, degreed individuals who actually knew what they were doing and fucked everyone anyway out of pure greed. Yeah, that's really goddamned useful.

Seriously, maybe I'm wrong but I don't think anybody gives a shit about your preset preferences for blame sharing. You know why? Because it's not instructive, it's not useful, it does nothing to tell us how to prevent the same disaster from reoccurring in the future. It's just another pointless example of your ideology asserting itself simply so it can be seen.

273 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:38:48pm

Non sequitor--anybody ever cooked/eaten salsify?

They had it at the market and I bought some, but haven't the foggiest what to do with it.

274 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:39:19pm

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

Let me remind you:

Oh, but let's spread some of the blame on the dumb panicky animals instead of the smart, educated, degreed individuals who actually knew what they were doing and fucked everyone anyway out of pure greed. Yeah, that's really goddamned useful.

Seriously, maybe I'm wrong but I don't think anybody gives a shit about your preset preferences for blame sharing. You know why? Because it's not instructive, it's not useful, it does nothing to tell us how to prevent the same disaster from reoccurring in the future. It's just another pointless example of your ideology asserting itself simply so it can be seen.

Include basic household economics in high school?

How to buy a car, what is a Truth-In-Lending Statment, why you need to balance your checkbook even if you never write checks because you use a debit card . . . .

275 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:39:49pm

re: #271 ggt

Good to know. I was also thinking of the plastics with the estrogen pre-cursor protein chain or whatever it is called.

My recall sucks.

Bisphenol A (aka BPA) is what you're thinking about; it's used in making polycarbonate stuff, but it's getting phased out of being used in anything that may contact food or drink.

276 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:40:31pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

The causes of both failures are broader than that, tough, and in the case of 2008 there are plenty of middle and even some working class people who should come in for their share of the blame.

What is their share?

I work in a technical/craft based profession. Clients pay me for my time, experience, and pay for a comprehensive finished product.

Some of them ask for solutions that seem cool, are unreliable, or very expensive. Most of the time I explain the cost/benefits and they come my way. Some of them don't listen, or want the most expensive solution for the cheapest price, or want something that does not exist.

If I give them the latter three and it ends up a kludge, who is at fault? They are the client.... the wealthy, demanding, childlike client who wants what they want and sometimes want what they cannot have. I am the professional with many times the experience delivering what works, setting expectations when we're pushing the limits, and knowing what will end up a big stinky overpriced fuckall pile of crap.

Who is at fault for the failure?

Bankers deliver a product that includes money with a service. When they push the limits of safe and risk, who is at fault again?

Where is the professional obligation to represent the client's best interest even when what they want is not in their best interest?

This personal responsibility bullshit covers for professionals shirking their obligation to watch out for their client's best interest.

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:41:22pm

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

Let me remind you:

Oh, but let's spread some of the blame on the dumb panicky animals instead of the smart, educated, degreed individuals who actually knew what they were doing and fucked everyone anyway out of pure greed. Yeah, that's really goddamned useful.

Seriously, maybe I'm wrong but I don't think anybody gives a shit about your preset preferences for blame sharing. You know why? Because it's not instructive, it's not useful, it does nothing to tell us how to prevent the same disaster from reoccurring in the future. It's just another pointless example of your ideology asserting itself simply so it can be seen.

The conservative viewpoint is "Let them suffer the consequences." Well this time, we are all suffering the consequences and, frankly, people without homes and with families, in this country, have the right to own a firearm.

I say, we help them out. I really don't want to see a Les Mis situation in this country.

278 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:42:39pm

re: #251 ggt

I have to admit I am totally disappointed that so many people took the bait. It's insane to me to think that many people are that stupid.

I do understand no one could foresee the drop in housing prices. But some the loans people signed were insane and that the bankers offered them is pure irresponsibility and greed.

And I will say again, my friends in the real estate and loan business made BANK during this time. They had no morals whatsoever, and they got paid for that. America fuck yeah! But republicans SCAPEGOAT the ones who did the least, because, well, they are easy targets.

Assholes

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:42:50pm

re: #275 Gitarzan

Bisphenol A (aka BPA) is what you're thinking about; it's used in making polycarbonate stuff, but it's getting phased out of being used in anything that may contact food or drink.

Ah, thank you. Is it really dangerous? I know it's in most cash register receipts and grocery bags and there were some studies showing it can be absorbed thru the skin.

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:43:18pm

re: #278 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

And I will say again, my friends in the real estate and loan business made BANK during this time. They had no morals whatsoever, and they got paid for that. America fuck yeah! But republicans SCAPEGOAT the ones who did the least, because, well, they are easy targets.

Assholes

yup

281 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:44:49pm

re: #258 Interesting Times

The only people I see doing that are the plutocratic ponzi schemers who caused all this crap to begin with.

And their brainwashed (My Team) GOP supporters.

282 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:48:10pm

My head hurts.

Later all

Have a great evening.

283 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:48:50pm

re: #273 The Ghost of a Flea

Non sequitor--anybody ever cooked/eaten salsify?

They had it at the market and I bought some, but haven't the foggiest what to do with it.

Uh no.

284 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:49:12pm

re: #269 mattand

We had quite a few mortgage companies try to push an adjustable rate mortgage on us. This was our first home and a huge learning curve, but the whole ARM concept seemed like a bad idea.

My sister got into real estate...and then subsequently obtained multiple contractor's licenses and is pursuing a finance degree.

What motivates her is that she's a conscientious representative of her clients, and it's makes her furious that a lot of folks in and around housing--lenders, builders, sellers--will sell products while purporting to give advice...abusing the consultant aspect of their job to gain advantage on the commercial aspect.

And if you don't have specialized knowledge--of financial instruments or constructions--the people who are supposed to be "helping" see an opportunity to try it on.

285 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:50:03pm

re: #281 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

And their brainwashed (My Team) GOP supporters.

Hey! How did you like Mad Men this season?

286 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:51:48pm

re: #276 Kronocide

This personal responsibility bullshit covers for professionals shirking their obligation to watch out for their client's best interest

Seriously. And it's their talking point.

287 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:52:24pm

re: #274 ggt

Include basic household economics in high school?

How to buy a car, what is a Truth-In-Lending Statment, why you need to balance your checkbook even if you never write checks because you use a debit card . . .

Right, from the political party that wants to eradicate the Department of Education. I'm sorry, I don't have a lot of faith in institutional fixes that don't address the real crux of the issue - We had a President who was selling the idea that everyone should own a home as the American dream, who was at the very least implying with his sales pitch that real estate always makes a great investment, is secure and virtually guaranteed to go up in value. We had cable media offering a dozen or more different shows all centered around flipping houses and redecoration. Coupled with lenders offering zero down negative amortization loans and you literally had millions of people who were led to believe that they couldn't lose.

Yeah, we could invest in education, but it's not really a stand alone answer. The reason we mandate ground fault interrupters on bathroom power sockets is because we've decided that the risk isn't worth reliance on education alone, that we have to regulate and really mean it.

288 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:55:21pm

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

The reason we mandate ground fault interrupters on bathroom power sockets is because we've decided that the risk isn't worth reliance on education alone, that we have to regulate and really mean it.

The Book of GOP would refer to GFI's as overregulation!

289 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:55:50pm

re: #285 prairiefire

Hey! How did you like Mad Men this season?

Kinda dissapointed with the last one. God they built it up, and now we wait.

My favorite scene ever tho was Roger w/his first LSD trip. All & all I'm still hooked!!!

290 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:58:17pm

I live by miramar air base, and peeps, I've never heard so many planes flying. I hope nothing is up.

291 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 9:59:26pm

re: #289 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

This season is the first I've followed. It's good. My dad sold advertising in Chicago in the 60's. He says it is spot on.

292 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:01:54pm

re: #288 Mich-again

The Book of GOP would refer to GFI's as overregulation!

If the GOP had their way there's be no raptors left for all the DDT use, lead paint would still be in every home and shoe stores would have still have unshielded fluoroscopes.

Caveat emptor, bitches!

293 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:02:07pm

re: #283 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Uh no.

Heh.

If somebody went through my Google search history what they'd find is an ongoing pattern of search strings involving:

recipe + [obscure food product or ingredient]

I'm always particularly interested in the stuff the fell to the culinary wayside as factory-scale agriculture made certain staples omnipresent (but also homogenous).

294 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:05:45pm

re: #293 The Ghost of a Flea

Heh.

If somebody went through my Google search history what they'd find is an ongoing pattern of search strings involving:

recipe + [obscure food product or ingredient]

I'm always particularly interested in the stuff the fell to the culinary wayside as factory-scale agriculture made certain staples omnipresent (but also homogenous).

You would love the Asian markets here in Hawaii. So many things, I have no idea.

295 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:07:00pm

re: #286 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012

Seriously. And it's their talking point.

It's patriotic. It's what the Founding Fathers would do, right?

I find it hard to believe the holy Founding Father's wanted a (financially) kill or be (financially) killed world, where freedom meant easier methods of screwing people for more profit.

296 Gus  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:10:33pm

I'm beat. Good night.

297 Mich-again  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:11:31pm

re: #292 goddamnedfrank

If the GOP had their way there's be no raptors left for all the DDT use, lead paint would still be in every home and shoe stores would have still have unshielded fluoroscopes.

The modern version of the GOP is so far to the right from what it was even 20 years ago its hard to extrapolate analogies in the past. I'm thinking, If Teddy Roosevelt had the modern GOP philosophy, the National Parks would have been designated as Oil Fields instead. Or if Ronald Reagan had to appease the modern GOP to get elected his Veep would have been Jerry Falwell.

298 dragonath  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:16:23pm

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

Oh yes, I remember the name Bush had for it: The Ownership Society

What an unfortunate name. I can think of a few other "ownership societies" that involved people. WOOOO CAPITALISM

299 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:17:17pm

re: #294 prairiefire

You would love the Asian markets here in Hawaii. So many things, I have no idea.

I'm in an area of the Midwest that's not very diverse, yet we've got this one local market that covers about twenty distinct culinary cultures. It's awesome how much fresh stuff is available for different Asian cuisines. It took me ages to identify all the produce...taro stem evaded identification for almost four years...I never saw anyone buy it, so there was noone to ask!

I'd imagine Hawaii would just be that much more rich in variety...I doubt I could pull off hauling a full cooler back as part of my vacation luggage.

300 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:18:41pm
"You know, in certain older civilized cultures, when men failed as entirely as you have, they would throw themselves on their swords."
-The Operative, Serenity

Figuratively speaking that's what's missing from the financial crisis. Not only haven't the people who actually engineered and oversaw the looming disaster been punished, fessed up, or taken responsibility, there is an active movement to mitigate their actual blame by spreading it amongst the most powerless and naive elements of society - the one's who were actually used to facilitate the theft and were left holding a bag full of bad credit ratings and underwater mortgages.

301 efuseakay  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:34:17pm

re: #167 Mich-again

Oh but they are very passionate about the rights of the unborn. They are very concerned about babies up until the moment they are born.

If you want Republicans to care about you, remain a fetus.

302 dragonath  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:35:23pm

re: #297 Mich-again

It's bad enough Falwell had Reagan's ear. Here's a article written by Falwell titled "Ronald Reagan: My Hero". Here's a sample:

In the back seat of the limo, he shared his vision for America with me. He told me how and when he had become a follower of Jesus Christ. He confirmed all my hopes that this was the man to save America.

Oh my.

303 prairiefire  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:38:08pm

re: #299 The Ghost of a Flea

You would be surprised. I can imagine a duct taped aladdin cooler being loaded on the plane. We bought some passion fruit pineapple jelly today which I will try to keep untried so I can pack it in my checked luggage. We had lilikoi (sp?) cheesecake for desert today. It's really amazing here. Have to go back to Missouri Saturday.

304 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:38:54pm

I can't sleep..Everything is bothering me.. Life stands before me and will not stand aside and allow easy passage.
I had planned to move to the Lakehouse and property my family left me.
For days now this other voice is in my head..You have the only chance in your life to do anything you want to do..Live anywhere.. be anybody..
Just sell it all and just fucking do it.. What the hell? I'm really bothered by this..My only chance to fulfill a dream..What do I want to do?
Raise coffee on a Island? Hang out in Europe? Move home to Napa?
I can't sleep...

305 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:40:09pm

re: #304 Digital Display

(((Hugs)))
Know where you are, my friend!

306 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:42:38pm

re: #305 Dancing along the light of day

(((Hugs)))
Know where you are, my friend!

What's cook'n good looking?
I need to spend this summer to start a new life or just go home..
Hope today finds you well..

307 Kronocide  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:43:10pm

Howzabout raising coffee on an island drinking wine from Napa planning European vacations? You can have it all.

309 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:54:32pm

re: #306 Digital Display

Call me if you want to talk.

310 Digital Display  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 10:56:41pm

re: #307 Kronocide

Howzabout raising coffee on an island drinking wine from Napa planning European vacations? You can have it all.

LOL Thanks.. I have a million ideas going through my head.. I spent 3 years working at Pearl..The time of my life.. My favorite City is Montreal..I know I'll end up a coward and go home to Napa..
But go big or go home..
Man that is echoing in my head..And if I star blogging from Hawaii with a little coffee farm Charles is going to say.. You son of a bitch.. You did it bro!

311 Kragar  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:00:27pm

Painting the trim can be a real pain in the ass sometimes.

312 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:03:50pm

re: #304 Digital Display

I can't sleep..Everything is bothering me.. Life stands before me and will not stand aside and allow easy passage.
I had planned to move to the Lakehouse and property my family left me.
For days now this other voice is in my head..You have the only chance in your life to do anything you want to do..Live anywhere.. be anybody..
Just sell it all and just fucking do it.. What the hell? I'm really bothered by this..My only chance to fulfill a dream..What do I want to do?
Raise coffee on a Island? Hang out in Europe? Move home to Napa?
I can't sleep...

All I've got to say is that change is stress, even good change. You've gone through the loss of your last parent and are facing a career change, two biggies. The big upward standard of living adjustment also probably counts as a separate third even though that's what's driving your career change. Now you're about to move home ... let's call it three and a half major life changes in a very short span of time.

You probably should be freaking out a little. If you weren't it would indicate a flat affect, be worrisome in itself.

I'd say enjoy Napa for awhile, enjoy your family. Even if it didn't sound like an awesome place you probably don't want to dump your parent's lake house at the bottom of a down market, especially when you're unsure of what to do next. You'll still have the once in a lifetime opportunity next year, time to decompress for awhile.

If I were you I'd go Tenkara fishing.

313 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:54:07pm

re: #311 Kragar

Painting the trim can be a real pain in the ass sometimes.

I'm so sleepy I thought that might be a euphemism for cunnilingus...

314 freetoken  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:54:16pm

Tino Rossi, from long, long ago:

MP3 Audio
315 ozbloke  Mon, Jun 11, 2012 11:58:29pm

re: #313 It's a cookbook!

I'm so sleepy I thought that might be a euphemism for cunnilingus...

One slip of the tongue, and you will be in the shit.

316 Mocking Jay  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 12:01:00am

re: #315 ozbloke

One slip of the tongue, and you will be in the shit.

Well played.

317 ozbloke  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 12:02:54am

re: #316 It's a cookbook!

Well played.

I aim to please.

318 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 12:49:11am

What do you call it when an Irish pervert goes down on his inflatable love doll?

-Aer Lingus!

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 12:54:59am

re: #49 Dancing along the light of day

I'm not sure Ca sends any water except from the north of the state to the south.

We periodically clash in court with Arizona over the Colorado River, but that's not a clear case of 'our' water and 'their' water. There are agreements about who gets what, as the Colorado forms the border between the states.

320 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 12:59:08am

re: #91 freetoken

The Ancient Pueblo peoples apparently have first claim to the area.

I wonder if CAMERA types would support the Hopi and Navajo if the latter decided that they rightfully should be a sovereign nation.

CAMERA types? Photography, snaps taken on 'oliday, like? Say no more, say no more!

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 1:06:36am

re: #95 Gus

I see what you did there. ;)

Yes, it was terribly, terrible subtle.

322 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 1:21:56am

re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, it was terribly, terrible subtle.

I'm going to assume that Aigle has managed to piss people off even more than usual, and that this is not simply a random fantasy about "CAMERA people" and their imagined indifference to Hopi land claims.

323 researchok  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 1:27:55am

Morning, all

324 Kragar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 1:30:40am

Dr Horrible anyone?

Youtube Video
325 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:09:38am

You know, the Romney campaign is beating around the bush too much. It needs to tell folks, in clear and simple terms, why it thinks that America wants, no needs, fewer public employees. I propose they go with something tried and true:

"The beatings will continue until moral improves!"

326 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:14:58am

re: #325 Targetpractice

Romney is using Bain Capital logic: if we fire enough teachers and civil servants, it will scare the remaining ones into working harder to take up the slack...

327 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:17:13am

re: #326 Expand Your Ground

Romney is using Bain Capital logic: if we fire enough teachers and civil servants, it will scare the remaining ones into working harder to take up the slack...

Not even that, it's the Gilded Age logic, that says that the best employees are the ones in constant fear that their next paycheck will be their last. The ones who will work themselves to death to earn a decent paycheck, with no alternatives because the entire industry runs by the same standards. And no social safety net for those who can't work, keeping tax dollars from going to those who aren't producing.

328 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:22:54am

re: #327 Targetpractice

Not even that, it's the Gilded Age logic, that says that the best employees are the ones in constant fear that their next paycheck will be their last. The ones who will work themselves to death to earn a decent paycheck, with no alternatives because the entire industry runs by the same standards. And no social safety net for those who can't work, keeping tax dollars from going to those who aren't producing.

I sometimes think that the GOP ideal is to have the entire workforce lined up outside the office building like dayworkers outside the Home Depot: the boss drives up and and announces that he needs six accountants, two IT people and a marketer, and hires them for the day...

329 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:28:11am

re: #328 Expand Your Ground

I sometimes think that the GOP ideal is to have the entire workforce lined up outside the office building like dayworkers outside the Home Depot: the boss drives up and and announces that he needs six accountants, two IT people and a marketer, and hires them for the day...

Their ideal is to return to the days before unions, when an employer held all the power and could hold employees shackled to their jobs through wage slavery. When the middle class was something you attained through luck of the draw or patronage from the wealthy, rather than through hard work and sacrifice.

330 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:43:24am

re: #329 Targetpractice

Their ideal is to return to the days before unions, when an employer held all the power and could hold employees shackled to their jobs through wage slavery. When the middle class was something you attained through luck of the draw or patronage from the wealthy, rather than through hard work and sacrifice.

I admire America for its emphasis on individual initiative and self-reliance.

But I don't understand how that has come to mean that one individual, with no support from a union or the government, is supposed to negotiate on equal terms for employment conditions or health insurance coverage with multinational corporations...

331 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:53:38am

re: #330 Expand Your Ground

I admire America for its emphasis on individual initiative and self-reliance.

But I don't understand how that has come to mean that one individual, with no support from a union or the government, is supposed to negotiate on equal terms for employment conditions or health insurance coverage with multinational corporations...

"Just negotiate with your boss!"

Yeah, except my boss is actually subordinate to his boss, who's subordinate to his, all the way to the top. I'm not negotiating with anything more than the guy who's next up on the totem-pole. He has no power to negotiate a sweet deal with me, no matter what my qualifications.

332 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 2:56:43am

re: #331 Targetpractice

"Just negotiate with your boss!"

Your boss is a member of a larger organization with large cash reserves. To be fair, it only makes sense that you should argue from a similar position.

333 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:02:06am

re: #332 Expand Your Ground

Your boss is a member of a larger organization with large cash reserves. To be fair, it only makes sense that you should argue from a similar position.

That's just it, they've got themselves convinced that the union is actually keeping them down, keeping them from negotiating a sweet deal for themselves by forcing them to accept what the "deadweight" next to them is also getting. That if that union weren't there, they could use their "superior" skills and abilities to negotiate a far better deal from their boss.

What they'd actually find is that, without that union there to protect them, their negotiations would be one-way, and it would them negotiating with their boss not to can their ass for thinking they're worth more than what "the market" values them at.

334 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:09:59am

re: #333 Targetpractice

And rugged individuals are also expected to compete on even terms with multinational corporations that are allowed to make unlimited, annonymous donations to political parties who in turn pass legislation to tweak the market in the donor's favor...

335 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:16:15am

re: #334 Expand Your Ground

And rugged individuals are also expected to compete on even terms with multinational corporations that are allowed to make unlimited, annonymous donations to political parties who in turn pass legislation to tweak the market in the donor's favor...

The phrase that immediately comes to mind is "Jesus may love you, but everybody else thinks you're an asshole." Or, in this case, those preaching that they could make a lot more if they could negotiate with their boss fail to take into account that everybody else in the factory is probably thinking the same thing. That they're immeasurably valuable, that nobody could do their job or do it as well as they do, and the company would be foolish to fire them. In reality, the company sees them as not only replaceable, but would do so in a New York minute if the union or labor laws didn't prevent them from doing so.

336 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:17:49am

re: #335 Targetpractice

The only way to be assured of your job is to be in a position to blackmail the company if they fire you...

337 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:22:55am

re: #336 Expand Your Ground

The only way to be assured of your job is to be in a position to blackmail the company if they fire you...

Pretty much. People who bitch so much about how the union protects "bad eggs" never stop and think that, for every "bad egg" that's protected, plenty of "good eggs" still have their jobs because the union was there to fight for them. Having worked in the private sector doing part-time long enough, I've come to realize one universal truth: Nobody is so important that they wouldn't be fired to increase profits.

338 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:27:25am

re: #337 Targetpractice

Nobody is so important that they wouldn't be fired to increase profits.

We tend to overlook that there are components to human labor that go beyond the mere economic factor. But labor costs have been reduced to the level of toner, electricity and sundry office supplies: a cost factor that is to be minimized, outsourced or eliminated wherever possible.

339 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:32:55am

re: #338 Expand Your Ground

We tend to overlook that there are components to human labor that go beyond the mere economic factor. But labor costs have been reduced to the level of toner, electricity and sundry office supplies: a cost factor that is to be minimized, outsourced or eliminated wherever possible.

Ayep. There's always the next guy in line, who will gladly take your job, even if it only comes with a $.50/hr raise. That college degree, the years of experience, even all the ass-kissing doesn't matter as much to the company as their bottom line. If somebody will do the job for cheaper, they'll get it.

340 AK-47%  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 3:37:16am

re: #339 Targetpractice

Ayep. There's always the next guy in line, who will gladly take your job, even if it only comes with a $.50/hr raise. That college degree, the years of experience, even all the ass-kissing doesn't matter as much to the company as their bottom line. If somebody will do the job for cheaper, they'll get it.

And in our globalized economy, it is only natural to expect capital to follow the path of greatest returns.

So the jobs get sent overseas, we get a flood of cheap consumer goods and the only jobs that come out of it are minumum-wage, no-benefits jobs at the Wal-Mart.

341 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 4:42:36am

Yeehaa! 9 spam tweets from one obsessed member of the 101st Chairborne.

Taqiyya!!11ty He even hash tagged his Tweets.

Awesome. Gotta loves dems internets.

342 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 4:43:41am

T-49 hours and 19 minutes till moving truck arrival. Still have all the toys and the kitchen to pack. I can't wait for this to be done.

And how is your morning?

343 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 4:46:43am

re: #342 William Barnett-Lewis

God, I hate moving. I just wrote to some friends on the occasion of their 50th wedding anniversary, which was nice. Other than that, I've figured out how to fix most of the major plot problems in my novel, but the weather remains disgusting.

344 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 4:54:49am

re: #321 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, it was terribly, terrible subtle.

Took a second there for me to refresh my Memri. //

345 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:01:30am

re: #21 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahhh some good old Christian love...

For the record, the commandment means not to desecrate the Name by doing evil in that Name or swearing falsely.

Of course these freaks don't beat on the actual Bible... a book they have obviously never read or understood.

Right, the 'vain' part is like vanity. Don't presume to speak for god, or have the vanity to use gods name as if you can command your god to do your bidding. And they do that all the time. You are not god so don't act like you are.

That is the way I always took it anyway. Your interpretation may vary.

346 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:17:38am

Morning Lizardim from the cool and clear wild north country. We had a rockin' thunderstorm system blow through that cooled everything down quite a bit, and now it feels downright awesome. The Mrs. Fish, the fishspawn, and I took a 3-day weekend to the north woods to visit my parents on their annual vacation to a lakeside cabin; lots of fish were caught, lots of fun was had, and it was very relaxing. And now, all too soon, I am back in the rat race. What is new out there in Lizardia?

347 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:31:07am

Morning all!

Dogs are fed, watered and pooped. Now they are enjoying their morning romp.

you?

348 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:31:31am

re: #346 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the cool and clear wild north country. We had a rockin' thunderstorm system blow through that cooled everything down quite a bit, and now it feels downright awesome. The Mrs. Fish, the fishspawn, and I took a 3-day weekend to the north woods to visit my parents on their annual vacation to a lakeside cabin; lots of fish were caught, lots of fun was had, and it was very relaxing. And now, all too soon, I am back in the rat race. What is new out there in Lizardia?

Wishin' we had your rain here in Chicagoland.

349 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:32:08am

re: #347 ggt

Morning all!

Dogs are fed, watered and pooped. Now they are enjoying their morning romp.

you?

Feeling a bit pathetic now that my sister introduced me to a "Guess The Logo" game app and I could recognize roughly 75% of them.

350 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:33:05am

re: #349 Targetpractice

Feeling a bit pathetic now that my sister introduced me to a "Guess The Logo" game app and I could recognize roughly 75% of them.

Congratulations, you are an Merican!

351 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:35:45am

re: #350 ggt

Congratulations, you are an Merican!

Yeah, if you've lived in America for most of your life and don't recognize most of those logos, then perhaps it's time to come out of the cave.

352 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:35:46am

Woah! I hope all Colorado and vicinity Lizards are safe!

Colorado wildfire not contained and 'moving fast'

" A fast-moving wildfire near Fort Collins in the US state of Colorado has scorched nearly 37,000 acres (14,973 hectares) of land, officials say.

The fire has not been contained and sheriff's officials described conditions as "concerning".

Hundreds of residents have been evacuated and 18 structures have been burned or damaged in the blaze.

Meanwhile, a wildfire in New Mexico has covered 25,600 acres and damaged or destroyed up to 35 structures.

In Colorado, more than 400 firefighters are on the scene, Nick Christensen, executive officer of the Larimer County Sheriff's Office, told reporters.

Five heavy air tankers, helicopters and military aircraft are now combating the fire, he added."

353 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:39:19am

hmmm
Children with older fathers and grandfathers 'live longer'

Delaying fatherhood may offer survival advantages, say US scientists who have found children with older fathers and grandfathers appear to be "genetically programmed" to live longer.

The genetic make-up of sperm changes as a man ages and develops DNA code that favours a longer life - a trait he then passes to his children.

The team found the link after analysing the DNA of 1,779 young adults.

Their work appears in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
. . .
"As paternal ancestors delay reproduction, longer telomere length will be passed to offspring, which could allow life span to be extended as populations survive to reproduce at older ages."

354 darthstar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:39:46am

Mornin' all...anyone catch that hockey game last night? I got to see the last 5 minutes of the third period. Brutal! LA scored two more goals in the final four minutes to add insult to injury on the NJ Devils. Poor NJDHF is going to be licking his wounds for a while after that. But hey, they made it to the finals which is all you can ever really hope for.

355 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:40:54am

re: #351 Targetpractice

Yeah, if you've lived in America for most of your life and don't recognize most of those logos, then perhaps it's time to come out of the cave.

Are any of the accompanying ad jingles buzzing in your head?

"Oh, my bologna has a first name . . . "

I admit it, that is the only reason I can remember how to spell b-o-l-o-g-n-a.

356 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:42:23am

re: #353 ggt

hmmm
Children with older fathers and grandfathers 'live longer'

So wait, is science basically saying that the older the father and younger the mother, the better the chances their children will have to live long, healthy lives?

357 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:42:50am

Very kewl pictures!

358 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:43:15am

re: #356 Targetpractice

So wait, is science basically saying that the older the father and younger the mother, the better the chances their children will have to live long, healthy lives?

Strange how life mimics Darwin --huh?

359 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:45:09am

I like to burn em! Crispy on the outside, all hot and gooey on the inside.

360 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:46:22am

re: #355 ggt

Are any of the accompanying ad jingles buzzing in your head?

I admit it, that is the only reason I can remember how to spell b-o-l-o-g-n-a.

Jingles, mottos, etc. The game leaves out portions of logo, making you guess. And when I figured out the one for CNN, the first thing that popped into my head was the old CNN network ID with James Earl Jones voice going "This is CNN."

361 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:47:24am

This is about as pathetic as it gets. The show was pretty terrible when it was popular. There seems to be a lack of creativity in Hollywood --or a lack of financing of creativity.

Any wonder some of the moviemakers aren't in Hollywood --Quentin, M. Night . . . .

362 darthstar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:50:11am

Online hate group OneMillionMoms is at it again...check out their facebook page, scroll to their screed about a GAP billboard, and read the 120 or so comments...not a single person supports them. And some of the take-downs are priceless. My favorite:

Jesus had two dads, and that dude turned out all right...just sayin.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

363 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:53:00am

re: #361 ggt

This is about as pathetic as it gets. The show was pretty terrible when it was popular. There seems to be a lack of creativity in Hollywood --or a lack of financing of creativity.

Any wonder some of the moviemakers aren't in Hollywood --Quentin, M. Night . . .

"Reboots" are a big things these days, same with dredging up every franchise from the 70s and 80s whose reputation hasn't yet been drug through the mud to make a movie out of it. Just wait, next decade, they'll start unearthing ol' 90s TV shows and going to work on them.

364 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:54:31am

LOL!

365 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:55:12am

re: #363 Targetpractice

"Reboots" are a big things these days, same with dredging up every franchise from the 70s and 80s whose reputation hasn't yet been drug through the mud to make a movie out of it. Just wait, next decade, they'll start unearthing ol' 90s TV shows and going to work on them.

Well, as it is, I don't know how to turn on the NEW TV.

Next decade, I'll be lucky if I can still work a phone.

366 freetoken  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:56:09am

re: #361 ggt

However, given that a couple of the original characters are back one could look at it as just a continuation of the original, with a long break in the middle.


Still, "Dallas" is a bit passe as a center of American mammon-lust. Yes, there is still plenty of oil money down there, but around the world are a lot more billionaires living around the high tech centers than in old time Dallas, Texas.

367 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:56:26am

re: #361 ggt

This is about as pathetic as it gets. The show was pretty terrible when it was popular. There seems to be a lack of creativity in Hollywood --or a lack of financing of creativity.

Any wonder some of the moviemakers aren't in Hollywood --Quentin, M. Night . . .

Hollywood hasn't had an original idea in decades. Honestly, I go to the movies purely to get out of the house with my wife for a while. It's almost completely irrelevant what the movie is, because they're all the same recycled garbage.

368 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:57:41am

re: #365 ggt

Well, as it is, I don't know how to turn on the NEW TV.

Next decade, I'll be lucky if I can still work a phone.

Hell, don't know how much longer phones will be around. When I was working for Verizon a couple years back doing door-to-door, I kept getting one of two responses: "We don't have a land line" or "We only have a land line for emergencies/work/etc"

369 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 5:58:53am

re: #368 Targetpractice

Hell, don't know how much longer phones will be around. When I was working for Verizon a couple years back doing door-to-door, I kept getting one of two responses: "We don't have a land line" or "We only have a land line for emergencies/work/etc"

Well, I meant my cell phone. We don't have a land line either.

I'm looking forward to some sort of implant. I think it might actually be easier. . . .

370 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:00:47am

re: #368 Targetpractice

Hell, don't know how much longer phones will be around. When I was working for Verizon a couple years back doing door-to-door, I kept getting one of two responses: "We don't have a land line" or "We only have a land line for emergencies/work/etc"

I wonder if my sister knows what became of my grandmother's old rotary dial phone. I used to love that thing, I had never seen one before. Probably never will again, except maybe in a museum somewhere.

371 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:01:21am

re: #369 ggt

Well, I meant my cell phone. We don't have a land line either.

I'm looking forward to some sort of implant. I think it might actually be easier. . . .

I imagine the next big step will be when OLED flex screens become cheap enough and reliable enough to mass produce, because then you could pack the same power as an IPad into something the size of an IPhone.

372 garhighway  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:01:56am

re: #367 thedopefishlives

Hollywood hasn't had an original idea in decades. Honestly, I go to the movies purely to get out of the house with my wife for a while. It's almost completely irrelevant what the movie is, because they're all the same recycled garbage.

The new Sorkin show might be interesting.

373 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:02:05am

re: #370 thedopefishlives

I wonder if my sister knows what became of my grandmother's old rotary dial phone. I used to love that thing, I had never seen one before. Probably never will again, except maybe in a museum somewhere.


You can still buy the handset . . . .

374 darthstar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:02:22am

re: #367 thedopefishlives

Hollywood hasn't had an original idea in decades. Honestly, I go to the movies purely to get out of the house with my wife for a while. It's almost completely irrelevant what the movie is, because they're all the same recycled garbage.

I've got a great idea for a sitcom. One guy, living with two girls, and a landlord who doesn't want them to live together because the guy isn't married to either one, but they pretend he's gay so he's just 'one of the girls' and it's all okay, except he's a really sexually active guy who dates tons of women...while the two girls are just kind of pathetic and the landlord's an idiotic old bigot with a crazy wife.

375 freetoken  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:03:19am

This could make commenting on blogs (such as LGF) even weirder:

New OS X Mountain Lion details announced: Notification Center, Dictation, new apps and more

Dictation: Users can now speak and OS X will convert spoken words to text in any application.

376 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:03:25am

re: #374 darthstar

I've got a great idea for a sitcom. One guy, living with two girls, and a landlord who doesn't want them to live together because the guy isn't married to either one, but they pretend he's gay so he's just 'one of the girls' and it's all okay, except he's a really sexually active guy who dates tons of women...while the two girls are just kind of pathetic and the landlord's an idiotic old bigot with a crazy wife.

Only in the new version the girls are gay and the landlord doesn't know.

377 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:04:43am

re: #375 freetoken

This could make commenting on blogs (such as LGF) even weirder:

New OS X Mountain Lion details announced: Notification Center, Dictation, new apps and more

There's already speech-to-text applications out there, but admittedly, Apple owns the state of the art in that department. I'm amazed by how far all that has come.

378 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:04:44am

re: #375 freetoken

This could make commenting on blogs (such as LGF) even weirder:

New OS X Mountain Lion details announced: Notification Center, Dictation, new apps and more

Wow, does it talk back? Would we have to program different voices for each lizard, or would the computer do that. Wait, we'd program our own voices and the intertoobs would use them?

379 darthstar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:05:08am

re: #375 freetoken

This could make commenting on blogs (such as LGF) even weirder:

New OS X Mountain Lion details announced: Notification Center, Dictation, new apps and more

My android phone already has dictation. I love it. Allows me to send snarky tweets and facebook posts (as well as reply to work emails) while I drive. One hand for the phone, one hand for the drink, and a raised thigh to hold the steering wheel.

380 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:06:42am

re: #375 freetoken

This could make commenting on blogs (such as LGF) even weirder:

New OS X Mountain Lion details announced: Notification Center, Dictation, new apps and more

"So, I was watching the new show and *Girlish scream* *WHAP!* That was a fucking huge spider! Wait, is this still typing?"

381 darthstar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:07:09am

re: #376 ggt

Only in the new version the girls are gay and the landlord doesn't know.

If the girls were gay you'd lock in the 15-89 year old male audience so long as there was a hot-tub scene in every show.

382 freetoken  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:07:55am

re: #377 thedopefishlives

I'm kind of wondering if, by the end of the decade, "blogging" will transition into real-time chatting (sort of like real time bulletin boards associated say with talk shows) with automatic dictation of the conversations.

383 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:07:59am

re: #381 darthstar

If the girls were gay you'd lock in the 15-89 year old male audience so long as there was a hot-tub scene in every show.

Eh, that'd probably be true even if they weren't gay as long as the hot tub scene was still there.

384 darthstar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:09:27am

Apple's learned something from Hollywood. They can just announce existing features as "new" and their people/fans/consumers will throw away iPad vNow for iPad vNext. New apps? Cool! I love this new Frustrated Fowl game.

385 freetoken  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:09:55am

Your corporate child awaits:

Groupon dabbles in baby naming

Remember, corporations are people too.

386 iossarian  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:11:00am

re: #383 thedopefishlives

Eh, that'd probably be true even if they weren't gay as long as the hot tub scene was still there.

(chanting): Hot... Tub... Hot... Tub... HOT... TUB...

387 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:13:59am

Just think, they could have totally raked in the cash if they had made the new Charlie's Angels with an LGBT bent.

388 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:15:18am

re: #385 freetoken

Your corporate child awaits:

Groupon dabbles in baby naming

Remember, corporations are people too.

Simply the stupidist idea I've heard today. Probably will make millions . . .

LOL

389 iossarian  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:15:37am

re: #384 darthstar

Apple's learned something from Hollywood. They can just announce existing features as "new" and their people/fans/consumers will throw away iPad vNow for iPad vNext. New apps? Cool! I love this new Frustrated Fowl game.

That's what kills me about Apple. Occasionally they come out with a neat product that justifies its price point against the competition, and then it's worth looking at.

But most of the time it's intentionally crippled shiny toys. I mean, this is the company that didn't offer a second mouse button as part of some bogus design cult*, and fools lapped it up. I still have to tell people in my office that they can "right-click" by using the keyboard, if they haven't had the personal initiative to replace their standard-issue Apple mouse.

* I'm certainly not denying the importance of good design, and Apple obviously produces some of that. But a lot of what Apple passes off as "design" is Emperor's-new-clothes bullshit.

390 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:16:22am

re: #379 darthstar

My android phone already has dictation. I love it. Allows me to send snarky tweets and facebook posts (as well as reply to work emails) while I drive. One hand for the phone, one hand for the drink, and a raised thigh to hold the steering wheel.

Yeah, see, an implant would be so much easier. . . .

Dogs are napping now. I'm going to follow their example and go back to bed.

Have a great day all!

391 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:16:29am

re: #386 iossarian

(chanting): Hot... Tub... Hot... Tub... HOT... TUB...

No, Mrs. Fish, I wasn't watching. You can put the screwdriver away, I'd like to keep my eyes.

392 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:19:26am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

And people buying homes they could not afford. Such people are not the main cause of the crash, they did have a role in it.

They were heavily targeted by the banking industry.

393 darthstar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:27:00am

re: #392 Learned Mother of Zion

They were heavily targeted by the banking industry.

They were convinced they could afford those houses. Nobody said, "Well, I make $45k so I'll buy a 400,000 dollar house." There were billboards up all over the place in the late nineties showing how cheap it was to get a loan...cheaper than renting! Why rent for 1200 when you can own for 895! (Interest payments only, for the first three to five years) I can't believe some people still blame the victim like this. It was a masterful manipulation by the banks, pure and simple, and their hope was they could keep playing this game and dumping the losses to others and it'd just never end.

394 iossarian  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:28:11am

re: #393 darthstar

It didn't end. The banks dumped their losses on society and are doing just fine on the next wheeze.

395 darthstar  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:33:33am

re: #392 Learned Mother of Zion

I just noticed that you were responding to a programmed romneybot response..."I'm not blaming the poor but they should take more responsibility for the economy...I mean, there are far more of them then there are people like me and Ann. A few bucks a week from each of them will boost the economy and create job creators."

396 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:35:26am

Do people really watch such fake, manufactured "patriotism" and take it seriously? I mean, do they honestly not understand that it's all a bunch of focus-tested marketing?

397 iossarian  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:35:38am

re: #395 darthstar

I just noticed that you were responding to a programmed romneybot response..."I'm not blaming the poor but they should take more responsibility for the economy...I mean, there are far more of them then there are people like me and Ann. A few bucks a week from each of them will boost the economy and create job creators."

"I have lots of money and they have none. This must be because I am a better person. Therefore I should have even more money and they should have even less."

398 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:36:05am

re: #395 darthstar

I just noticed that you were responding to a programmed romneybot response..."I'm not blaming the poor but they should take more responsibility for the economy...I mean, there are far more of them then there are people like me and Ann. A few bucks a week from each of them will boost the economy and create job creators."

We gotta broaden the tax base, because all those poor folks aren't paying any taxes! Taxing the rich at 100% isn't gonna cover the deficit, so we gotta get everybody paying their fair share!

399 iossarian  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:36:19am

re: #396 GunstarGreen

Do people really watch such fake, manufactured "patriotism" and take it seriously? I mean, do they honestly not understand that it's all a bunch of focus-tested marketing?

Minute, sucker, a, born, every, there's.

400 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:37:43am

Faux News - focus tested "news."

401 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:38:06am

re: #400 Gus

Faux News - focus tested "news."

DERP.

402 iossarian  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:38:45am

HUSSEIN OBAMA IS THE DEBBIL

403 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:39:18am

Breaking! Milton has changed his mind.

404 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:39:19am

re: #400 Gus

[Embedded content] Faux News - focus tested "news."

I've heard that shit a lot lately, Romney-bots going "The rich suffered too!" Yeah, so fucking what? You think a rich banker losing a few million is anything compared to millions of poor folks losing their homes?

405 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:40:16am

re: #404 Targetpractice

I've heard that shit a lot lately, Romney-bots going "The rich suffered too!" Yeah, so fucking what? You think a rich banker losing a few million is anything compared to millions of poor folks losing their homes?

Well, yeah. Those millions of dollars could have created jerbs! DERP!

406 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:41:14am

re: #404 Targetpractice

I've heard that shit a lot lately, Romney-bots going "The rich suffered too!" Yeah, so fucking what? You think a rich banker losing a few million is anything compared to millions of poor folks losing their homes?

Yeah. Although I don't think it was poor people that lost their homes because of the mortgage crisis. More like the middle class.

407 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:42:23am

re: #403 Gus

Breaking! Milton has changed his mind.

[Embedded content]

Ah, the Willard Romney response to getting caught saying stupid shit: Start splitting hairs.

408 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:43:30am

re: #407 Targetpractice

Ah, the Willard Romney response to getting caught saying stupid shit: Start splitting hairs.

He's like a kite or a sail boat. Shifts with the wind.

409 garhighway  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:43:59am

re: #408 Gus

He's like a kite or a sail boat. Shifts with the wind.

Etch-a-sketch.

410 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:44:56am

re: #409 garhighway

Etch-a-sketch.

A never ending charcoal piece. You can see the smudged work underneath the latest rendition.

//

411 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:47:13am

re: #221 Mich-again

I have a new litmus test for idiocy based on what I read at Conservapedia.. "So, then, did Noah bring the dinosaurs onto the ark or not?" And much to my surprise/shock, I actually had someone I've known a long time without realizing how nutty they were answer with an emphatic yes, along with an explanation of how carbon dating is a farce and how Marco Polo wrote about seeing dinosaurs in his travels.

You think you know someone..

Cool, Columbus wrote about seeing UFO/USO's in his voyages too. Are there space aliens visiting/watching earth? Why does god allow this? Did god create them too? Are they "god"?

412 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:47:49am

I would rather have a rich person's "suffering" than a poor person's best day.

413 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:48:21am

Fox's Carlson Asks If Obama Touting Green Energy Record To Voters "Sound[s] A Bit Desperate"

I do not understand.

414 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:49:27am

re: #412 thedopefishlives

I would rather have a rich person's "suffering" than a poor person's best day.

Apparently we're supposed to not be all that angry at the rich for the recession, because they took hits to the bank accounts too. Some warped version of "We've all suffered!" that leaves one with the taste of bile in their mouth.

415 garhighway  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:49:58am

Here's something fun...

[Link: www.politico.com...]

It's a collection of Paul Krugman comments regarding the GOP.

416 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:50:02am

re: #414 Targetpractice

Apparently we're supposed to not be all that angry at the rich for the recession, because they took hits to the bank accounts too. Some warped version of "We've all suffered!" that leaves one with the taste of bile in their mouth.

That's why I made my comment. Honestly, every time a rich person uses the word "suffered", I want to punch them in the mouth so that they bleed.

417 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:50:35am

re: #414 Targetpractice

Apparently we're supposed to not be all that angry at the rich for the recession, because they took hits to the bank accounts too. Some warped version of "We've all suffered!" that leaves one with the taste of bile in their mouth.

Suffering!

418 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:51:56am

Why can't I get paid 100 million for randomly stringing together scary buzzwords?!?!

419 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:53:06am

re: #416 thedopefishlives

That's why I made my comment. Honestly, every time a rich person uses the word "suffered", I want to punch them in the mouth so that they bleed.

I feel much the same way about characterizing raising taxes on the rich as "punishing success." As though all money earned, even if its earned because you raised a company's stock value by shit-canning thousands of jobs, is indicative of "success."

420 garhighway  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:55:19am

re: #419 Targetpractice

I feel much the same way about characterizing raising taxes on the rich as "punishing success." As though all money earned, even if its earned because you raised a company's stock value by shit-canning thousands of jobs, is indicative of "success."

Job creators!

421 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:57:22am

re: #419 Targetpractice

I feel much the same way about characterizing raising taxes on the rich as "punishing success." As though all money earned, even if its earned because you raised a company's stock value by shit-canning thousands of jobs, is indicative of "success."

It is true that economics is not a zero-sum game. However, the game as it stands has the rules unfairly tilted towards those who already have much. Naturally, those people want to keep it that way, and how dare we, the plebs, dare to question our betters.

422 garhighway  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:58:03am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

And people buying homes they could not afford. Such people are not the main cause of the crash, they did have a role in it.

Just like builders building homes "played a role in it"

423 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:58:54am

Massachusetts Town Considers $20 Fines For Swearing In Public

What the hell is this fucking bullshit?
/$60 fine

424 alpuz  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 6:59:43am

re: #396 GunstarGreen

Yes.. and they are coming to stay with me for a week next Tuesday. I've preempted the visit by blocking Fox News and anything related to Fox news on all of the TVs in our house. Seeing as they're from a very conservative state in the south, and only watch Fox news, I'm going to play dumb and blame it on the Wisconsin socialist union-mafia-thugs, leeches and goons. I'm betting one of them will actually believe it. Sigh.

425 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:00:03am

re: #423 Varek Raith

Massachusetts Town Considers $20 Fines For Swearing In Public

What the hell is this fucking bullshit?
/$60 fine

*ding* Varek Raith, you have been fined Twenty Dollars for inappropriate language.

426 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:00:19am

re: #423 Varek Raith

Massachusetts Town Considers $20 Fines For Swearing In Public

What the hell is this fucking bullshit?
/$60 fine

You are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute.

//

427 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:00:41am

re: #425 thedopefishlives

*ding* Varek Raith, you have been fined Twenty Dollars for inappropriate language.

Take your 3 seashells and shove them!
/

428 iossarian  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:01:00am

re: #415 garhighway

Here's something fun...

[Link: www.politico.com...]

It's a collection of Paul Krugman comments regarding the GOP.

haha - love the Newt description: "A stupid man's idea of what a smart man sounds like."

429 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:03:39am

Liberals Threaten to Cut Off Their Noses To Spite Their Faces
Firebaggers!

430 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:06:47am

re: #429 Varek Raith

Liberals Threaten to Cut Off Their Noses To Spite Their Faces
Firebaggers!

Somebody call a whambulance! Bunch of dummies but this is nothing new. Conservatives do the same thing.

431 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:07:24am

re: #429 Varek Raith

Liberals Threaten to Cut Off Their Noses To Spite Their Faces
Firebaggers!

More power to them. They wanna keep tilting at windmills in the hopes that they can find a "true liberal" candidate, go for it. No skin off my nose.

432 Interesting Times  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:08:43am
433 Mattand  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:15:52am

re: #418 Varek Raith

Why can't I get paid 100 million for randomly stringing together scary buzzwords?!?!

You have a conscience and ethics.

434 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:17:01am

re: #433 mattand

You have a conscience and ethics.

Dammit!

435 Mattand  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:17:51am

re: #434 Varek Raith

Dammit!

$20 fine.

436 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:18:12am

re: #433 mattand

You have a conscience and ethics.

I must be... different.

//

437 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:19:02am

Crazy Republican candidates and their gun fetishes.

438 Varek Raith  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:21:11am

re: #435 mattand

$20 fine.

*Rageface*

439 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:23:00am

re: #431 Targetpractice

More power to them. They wanna keep tilting at windmills in the hopes that they can find a "true liberal" candidate, go for it. No skin off my nose.

Unless they do something stupid like bleeding off votes to somebody like Ralph Nader or Ron Paul. Kos started cracking down a while ago on the anti-Obama sentiment but the instincts are still there. Liberals should be thankful that OWS crashed and burned so quickly. If they became a political force it would not be helpful for Obama's reelection.

440 Obdicut  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:26:18am

re: #439 Killgore Trout

Well, OWS was split, at the start, between ideological non-voters, and more practical people who thought engagement with the political system was the only way to go. It wasn't inevitable that the non-voters would win, though they do have the advantage in any situation like that because they're not actually trying to achieve anything other than talking a lot.

Whether OWS got people talking about income inequality or whether it was already uppermost in minds and OWS just took advantage of, I still don't know. If they really were responsible for bringing it to national attention, they gave Obama's re-election an enormous boost.

441 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:28:24am

Good morning lizards!

Today is a sad day as my beloved Devils lost the cup to the Kings. That boarding penalty in the first period did them in.

442 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:33:01am

Dingo really did take her baby, Aussie coroner finds in 1980 case


Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]
as Elaine would say,
"the dingo ate your baby"

443 Targetpractice  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:35:29am

re: #439 Killgore Trout

Unless they do something stupid like bleeding off votes to somebody like Ralph Nader or Ron Paul. Kos started cracking down a while ago on the anti-Obama sentiment but the instincts are still there. Liberals should be thankful that OWS crashed and burned so quickly. If they became a political force it would not be helpful for Obama's reelection.

Sorry, but it sounds like the usual band of rabble-rousers who are trying to drum up converts by getting out there and assuring them that Obama's "not really a liberal" and that his not being the Superman they were looking for is "proof." No different than all the dipshits on the Right who've declared that they'll stay home or vote third party rather than vote for Romney, because they'd rather have another Obama term than spend 4 years defending Willard.

444 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:41:25am

NYC raises taxes on cigarettes and wonders why tax receipts go down:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
(last paragraph of article)

445 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:47:08am

re: #444 Tommy's cone of shame

NYC raises taxes on cigarettes and wonders why tax receipts go down:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
(last paragraph of article)

New Yorkers will head to the Connecticut Casinos to get there butts!
[Link: www.cigarettes-outlet.com...]

446 Mattand  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:47:35am

re: #441 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Today is a sad day as my beloved Devils lost the cup to the Kings. That boarding penalty in the first period did them in.

I'm torn on this one. I'm a Flyers fan, so there's that irritation that the Devils beat them. As a NJ resident, I do have a soft spot for the Devils.

Generally, once the Philly teams are out, my interest in the playoffs dwindles to 0%. In the Devils case, it's a mild "hope they win."

Considering the amount of ex-Flyers on the Kings roster, maybe I should have been rooting for them.

447 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:52:55am

re: #444 Tommy's cone of shame

NYC raises taxes on cigarettes and wonders why tax receipts go down:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
(last paragraph of article)

Blasphemy! When are those knuckleheads going to acknowledge that those are regressive taxes. They can't expect smokers to keep generating revenue and have to find other avenue such as soda or snack taxes. Myself I'm down to 1/2 pack a day.

448 sattv4u2  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:55:19am

re: #447 Gus

heh,,, was at 2 1/2 packs a day. When the price in stores hit $1.50 I quit cold turkey! (it has already hit $2 in machines)

449 Mattand  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:58:25am

re: #448 sattv4u2

heh,,, was at 2 1/2 packs a day. When the price in stores hit $1.50 I quit cold turkey! (it has already hit $2 in machines)

Once of the few pieces of advice I actually took from my dad was to not smoke. I didn't realize it was as much a financial move as a health one.

450 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 7:58:34am

re: #448 sattv4u2

heh,,, was at 2 1/2 packs a day. When the price in stores hit $1.50 I quit cold turkey! (it has already hit $2 in machines)

I remember paying $2.25 for a pack. Of Dunhill and in San Francisco. That was just before America went full-metal-whiner. Can't imagine where they are now. Right now the cigarette choice for the hipsters is Parliament.

451 erik_t  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:00:01am

re: #441 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Today is a sad day as my beloved Devils lost the cup to the Kings. That boarding penalty in the first period did them in.

The New Jersey Devils attempted to kill hockey, and they must be punished.

452 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:07:39am

Oh boy. Arizona...

Peoria officer who posted Obama's image on Facebook appeals demotion

Peoria police Officer Pat Shearer said he wasn't thinking when he posted on his Facebook President Barack Obama's image on a T-shirt with bullet holes.

Shearer, a 25-year veteran with the northwest Valley agency, is appealing his demotion and two-week suspension without pay before an independent hearing officer Tuesday on grounds that it is excessive.

The January post, which showed seven high-school students, some posing with guns and one holding up Obama's T-shirt, sparked a nationwide debate about whether it was prudent for a police officer to post the photo he had titled "Another trip to the ranch."...

453 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:08:25am

re: #446 mattand

I'm torn on this one. I'm a Flyers fan, so there's that irritation that the Devils beat them. As a NJ resident, I do have a soft spot for the Devils.

Generally, once the Philly teams are out, my interest in the playoffs dwindles to 0%. In the Devils case, it's a mild "hope they win."

Considering the amount of ex-Flyers on the Kings roster, maybe I should have been rooting for them.

Congratulations to the Kings for winning their first Stanley Cup but I wish it wasn't against the Devils. Marty Brodeur is going to play again next year so he still has a chance of getting one more under his belt before he retires.

454 Mattand  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:16:11am

re: #452 Gus

Oh boy. Arizona...

Peoria officer who posted Obama's image on Facebook appeals demotion

The guy is a cop who posted a photo that suggested he was cool with someone assassinating our country's President.

He's lucky he still is allowed to carry a gun, let alone a badge. Or still have his job.

455 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:16:55am

re: #454 mattand

The guy is a cop who posted a photo that suggested he was cool with someone assassinating our country's President.

He's lucky he still is allowed to carry a gun, let alone a badge. Or still have his job.

Yep. He needs to shut his face now.

456 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:19:39am

re: #452 Gus

Oh boy. Arizona...

Peoria officer who posted Obama's image on Facebook appeals demotion

Lucky he wasn't canned.

457 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:27:24am

re: #456 HappyWarrior

Lucky he wasn't canned.

That's not luck, that's Arizona.

458 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:29:13am

re: #457 wrenchwench

That's not luck, that's Arizona.

He's got a future in Arizona politics that's for sure.

//

You can't have "crazy" without R-AZ.

459 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:31:41am

re: #458 Gus

He's got a future in Arizona politics that's for sure.

//

You can't have "crazy" without R-AZ.

I'm stealing that. Shamelessly, and without attribution, unless I happen to remember who I stole it from.

460 Gus  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:37:18am

re: #459 wrenchwench

I'm stealing that. Shamelessly, and without attribution, unless I happen to remember who I stole it from.

Go right ahead. I already forgot where I stole it from myself. ;)

461 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 8:46:29am

re: #457 wrenchwench

That's not luck, that's Arizona.

Touche.

462 Mattand  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:42:47am

re: #457 wrenchwench

That's not luck, that's Arizona.

You need to add "Forget it, Jake" to the front of that.

463 Mattand  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:45:38am

re: #459 wrenchwench

I'm stealing that. Shamelessly, and without attribution, unless I happen to remember who I stole it from.

Being from NJ, I'm generally loathe to start slamming other states over perceived stereotypes, since everyone does that to us. Stuff like this really makes it hard.

Is AZ really that wingnutty, things like Arpaio and their birther Secretary of State aside?

464 wrenchwench  Tue, Jun 12, 2012 9:55:28am

re: #463 mattand

Being from NJ, I'm generally loathe to start slamming other states over perceived stereotypes, since everyone does that to us. Stuff like this really makes it hard.

Is AZ really that wingnutty, things like Arpaio and their birther Secretary of State aside?

I wouldn't stereotype the state, it's very diverse. But I would have a hard time not stereotyping the Arizona Republican Party. It seems to provide an endless stream of hate and crazy.


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