3 | freetoken Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:54:35pm |
Protest of global program grows locally as Tea Party links 'smart growth' to big government
The Passaic County freeholders canceled membership in a leading environmental organization.
Wayne Township Council members passed a resolution condemning “extreme environmentalism.”
In Morris and Ocean counties, freeholders adopted resolutions to quell concerns about a decades-old United Nations green program.
Each measure is a response to growing public protest over the U.N. program, known as Agenda 21, which promotes conservation of natural resources or sustainable development. Opponents believe the United Nations is using Agenda 21 to push “smart growth” policies that will limit development and encroach on Americans’ property rights and local rule.
[...]
Harold Seneker of Fair Lawn said he did not know much about Agenda 21, but he became interested after hearing Walker’s speech and planned to learn more.
“We all have a central feeling,” Seneker said. “We want our country back.”
AGENDA 21 !!!!
4 | BongCrodny Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:58:23pm |
One really annoying thing about getting older is the number of clicks it takes to enter your birth year on drop-down menus.
Sigh.
5 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:00:42pm |
6 | freetoken Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:06:47pm |
Last couple of nights I linked some Vivaldi music - the catalog of his music is so large one could spend years going through it.
Closer to our time, a composer who also wrote quite a bit but whose work is largely ignored is Heitor Villa-Lobos. Most people can recognize one or two of his compositions (even if they can't recall the name), yet the catalog of his work numbers in the hundreds. I suspect he gets more respect in Latin America than he does in the Anglosphere.
Anyway, here is something special: Villa-Lobos' "Choros no. 10" subtitled "Rasga o Coracao" (see the Villa-lobos dedicated site for more information about videos of the piece). There are a few recordings available at Amazon and iTunes, but here is a recording supposedly of a performance led by the composer - it premiered in 1926 but the recording is of a quality that I assume comes from a later date ( he didn't die until 1959.)
The piece sounds modern yet it is approachable by those who simply want to listen to music that is enjoyable.
Enjoy:
7 | Shiplord Kirel Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:06:54pm |
Another attempt to meet the wingnuts at their own level:
Romney is a secret Zoroastrian!
Ayn Rand was his real mother!
His dog Seamus was named for an IRA terrorist!
Ann's make-up is made from baby chicks and fluffy kittens!
Mitt's horses have better housing than 99.9% of American taxpayers!
True to their wingnut inspiration, all of these were made up from thin air (except possibly the last one, not sure about Mitt's stables).
8 | BongCrodny Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:10:43pm |
Little pianer music here to celebrate the 77th birthday of the Last Man Standing, the Killer -- Mr. Jerry Lee Lewis.
(And Mr. B.B. King on the gee-tar ain't no slouch, either.)
10 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:18:26pm |
Fake baby is getting annoying to live with.
11 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Fri, Sep 28, 2012 11:30:33pm |
re: #6 freetoken
Last couple of nights I linked some Vivaldi music - the catalog of his music is so large one could spend years going through it.
Closer to our time, a composer who also wrote quite a bit but whose work is largely ignored is Heitor Villa-Lobos. Most people can recognize one or two of his compositions (even if they can't recall the name), yet the catalog of his work numbers in the hundreds. I suspect he gets more respect in Latin America than he does in the Anglosphere.
Anyway, here is something special: Villa-Lobos' "Choros no. 10" subtitled "Rasga o Coracao" (see the Villa-lobos dedicated site for more information about videos of the piece). There are a few recordings available at Amazon and iTunes, but here is a recording supposedly of a performance led by the composer - it premiered in 1926 but the recording is of a quality that I assume comes from a later date ( he didn't die until 1959.)
The piece sounds modern yet it is approachable by those who simply want to listen to music that is enjoyable.
Enjoy:
[Embedded content]
I thought I'd post a link to the piece he's best known for, just for context, in a very nice performance by Kiri te Kanawa:
This is the 5th in a series of 9 Bachianas Brasileiras, in which Villa-Lobos applied Baroque harmonies and counterpoint to the music of his native Brazil. I wonder if he felt about this the way some composers seem to about the one signature piece they can never put behind them (Ravel and his Pavane for a Dead Princess and Rachmaninov and his Prelude in C# minor come to mind.)
12 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Fri, Sep 28, 2012 11:33:23pm |
By the way, Charles, clicking on a YouTube link in preview mode really screws up the preview, at least in Chrome. The scroll function is disabled, and also posting, since (at least in the case of the comment above) the "Post it" button is pushed off the bottom of the screen and can't be scrolled to.
13 | freetoken Fri, Sep 28, 2012 11:56:34pm |
re: #11 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
This is the 5th in a series of 9 Bachianas Brasileiras, in which Villa-Lobos applied Baroque harmonies and counterpoint to the music of his native Brazil. I wonder if he felt about this the way some composers seem to about the one signature piece they can never put behind them (Ravel and his Pavane for a Dead Princess and Rachmaninov and his Prelude in C# minor come to mind.)
And that is just the aria part of the piece. IIRC, the London Olympics played it as the handover music to the Rio Olympics for 2016, too.
Most people are probably more familiar with Brazilian popular music than the works of Villa-Lobos.
14 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Sep 29, 2012 12:02:51am |
re: #13 freetoken
And that is just the aria part of the piece. IIRC, the London Olympics played it as the handover music to the Rio Olympics for 2016, too.
Most people are probably more familiar with Brazilian popular music than the works of Villa-Lobos.
My bad. Didn't read the text OR listen to the whole video before posting. I think I was just seduced by the fact that it was by Kiri.
Here's a complete performance.
15 | freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 12:13:49am |
re: #14 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Here's an mp3 of the "danca" part, the second part of the piece, which most people don't hear:
It's not uncommon for a single section of a larger work to find fame, while the rest lay unnoticed as time goes by.
Anyway, Villa-Lobos was prolific. Some contemporary jazz musicians have used his work (e.g., George Benson I think) as a starting point.
16 | freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 12:20:35am |
Here's an example.
Villa-Lobos' Bachianas Brasileiras #2, 4th movement which is renamed the "The Little Train of Caipira":
And here is the George Benson interpretation "Little Train (from Bachianas Brasileiras #2)":
18 | researchok Sat, Sep 29, 2012 12:44:56am |
re: #16 freetoken
I believe I had heard the Benson version but never the original.
The musica obscura is pretty damn good.
19 | freetoken Sat, Sep 29, 2012 1:44:11am |
re: #18 researchok
Well, those Villa-Lobos pieces previously linked are supposed to be some of his better known, so they aren't supposed to be "obscure".
But, if you want obscure here is one: Villa-Lobos' "Naufrágio de Kleônicos", a symphonic poem which translates (via Google) as "Wreck of Kleônicos". It has an Appleby catalog number W111. According to the Villa-Lobos fan site, the following is the only modern performance, and the only recording currently available. I've not searched the entire 'net to determine if this is true, but I've not been able to find another recording.
It's a really pretty piece, maybe one of his most beautiful compositions. Reportedly a section of it was later set apart by Villa-Lobos as a separate work, which is more often recorded. (See the Youtube video at the end.)
Recording notes that I found:
Recorded live at the Theatro Municipal do Rio de Janeiro on November 17, 2004, at the 42nd Villa-Lobos Festival.Orquestra Sinfônica do Theatro Municipal do Rio de Janeiro.
Enjoy:
Here's the excerpt that was given its own catalog numbers (W122, W123):
20 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 29, 2012 2:26:26am |
re: #14 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
My bad. Didn't read the text OR listen to the whole video before posting. I think I was just seduced by the fact that it was by Kiri.
Here's a complete performance.
[Embedded content]
Salli Terry had the version that was hot in the early 60s, with Laurindo Almieda.
21 | Randall Gross Sat, Sep 29, 2012 2:42:40am |
I loved the tribute to yesteryear's Mann that they put in the video. Some of you might recall this :
22 | RadicalModerate Sat, Sep 29, 2012 3:14:30am |
This might be one of the most telling pieces of information regarding Rep. Todd Akin's - and his supporters - world view.
Akin consultant compares him to cult leader
(CNN) - A consultant for Rep. Todd Akin likened the Senate candidate to David Koresh on Friday, saying Akin's ability to withstand GOP pressure to withdraw from the Missouri race was like the cult leader's resistance during the deadly 1993 standoff with federal authorities.
[...]
"The first day or two where it was like the Waco with the David Koresh situation where they're trying to smoke him out with the SWAT teams and the helicopters and the bad Nancy Sinatra records. Then here comes day two and you realize the guy's not coming out of the bunker. Listen, Todd has shown his principle to the voters," Conway, CEO of The Polling Company, said a radio show hosted by Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.
This came from one of his lead consultants, who described Akin favorably with a religious zealot who was responsible for the death of over 75 people.
What's next for these people? A quote from a rightwing congressman describing Anders Breivik's mass-murder spree as a "principled" action?
23 | Kragar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 3:40:11am |
Iranian news agency duped by Onion story on Obama poll
Iran's leading news agency published a mock poll that claimed rural whites in the U.S. favored Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad over president Barack Obama.
The mock poll was originally published on a popular U.S. media site, The Onion.
The FARS news agency—which touts itself as Iran's leading independent news agency while others note its ties to government—published much of the made-up poll that first appeared in the U.S. parody website.
The Onion site quoted a fictitious Gallup Poll that noted "77 percent of rural Caucasian voters...would much rather go to a baseball game or have a beer with Ahmadinejad...than spend time with Obama."
FARS led its story with that statement and even quoted someone from the Onion piece, West Virginia resident Swiderski, saying of Ahmadinejad, "I like him better."
Oops.
24 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 29, 2012 3:41:45am |
re: #22 RadicalModerate
This might be one of the most telling pieces of information regarding Rep. Todd Akin's - and his supporters - world view.
Akin consultant compares him to cult leader
This came from one of his lead consultants, who described Akin favorably with a religious zealot who was responsible for the death of over 75 people.
What's next for these people? A quote from a rightwing congressman describing Anders Breivik's mass-murder spree as a "principled" action?
What's next is the "Yo Mama" porn-star DVD apparently mailed to more than a million households in Ohio and a few other states:
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]
They could top this, but it will strain their imaginations.
26 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:45:08am |
Spain's debt-to-GDP ratio to rise to 90.5 percent in 2013 versus 85.3 percent in 2012
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
27 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:45:10am |
28 | Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:45:55am |
re: #25 Cannadian Club Akbar
Morning limited honcos.
Morning. Signing off to hit Okaloosa County. Gonna help Mitt spend more time with his horse.
29 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 4:54:07am |
My high skool football team, ranked numero one in some national polls, beat the in town rival 52-13 last night. Between the 2 skools they have about 9 state titles. Good for the boys.
30 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:03:46am |
re: #29 Cannadian Club Akbar
My high skool football team, ranked numero one in some national polls, beat the in town rival 52-13 last night. Between the 2 skools they have about 9 state titles. Good for the boys.
You looked really good in that cheerleader outfit. My, what big pom poms you have
31 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:10:19am |
re: #30 sattv4u2
You looked really good in that cheerleader outfit. My, what big pom poms you have
When I was in skool, the cheerleaders would lift a board with another cheerleader on it and the cheerleader on the board would do a push up for every point we scored. Problem? The team would hit 60 points a game quite often. Heh.
32 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:19:09am |
re: #31 Cannadian Club Akbar
When I was in skool, the cheerleaders would lift a board with another cheerleader on it and the cheerleader on the board would do a push up for every point we scored. Problem? The team would hit 60 points a game quite often. Heh.
"Wow, what big biceps you have there Sally"
33 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:20:39am |
re: #32 sattv4u2
"Wow, what big biceps you have there Sally"
When looking for a woman, I always look at her upper body. Good muscle tone usually means she'll have no problem scrubbing a floor. Wait. What?
/
34 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:21:53am |
re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar
When looking for a woman, I always look at her upper body. Good muscle tone usually means she'll have no
problem scrubbingkicking my assaout theflDoor. Wait. What?
/
ftfy
35 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:36:46am |
Warrantless Electronic Surveillance Surges Under Obama Justice Department
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
36 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:38:03am |
re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar
Warrantless Electronic Surveillance Surges Under Obama Justice Department
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
That damn George Bush!
37 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:44:05am |
So Allen West puts out an attack ad and his opponent slams him for it. Then a Super PAC puts out an attack ad on West. Heh. Politics.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
38 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:46:38am |
re: #37 Cannadian Club Akbar
So Allen West puts out an attack ad and his opponent slams him for it. Then a Super PAC puts out an attack ad on West. Heh. Politics.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
POPCORN ,, GET YER POPCORN HERE
39 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:47:13am |
re: #36 sattv4u2
That damn George Bush!
Other than the ACLU and some rwnj's, there has been little protest about this. Just like the anti-war folks. I mean, there are still anti-war protesters but not like the amount during the Bush years. Or it just isn't getting covered as much.
40 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 5:53:29am |
re: #37 Cannadian Club Akbar
So Allen West puts out an attack ad and his opponent slams him for it. Then a Super PAC puts out an attack ad on West. Heh. Politics.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
I think West's ad will likely work better. Most of his district will care more about about Murphy having driven drunk than about West having brutally interrogated an Iraqi. Biased, you say? Yes, it is, but not racially. It's bias in favor of what happens locally and the fact that Murphy is more likely to reoffend than West.
41 | Obdicut Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:01:54am |
re: #40 Dark_Falcon
Any district stupid and callous enough to elect West is stupid and callous enough to re-elect him.
42 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:03:34am |
My Saturday mornings usually consist of 6 hours of sports talk. But the 9AM guy moved on to bigger and better things. But his replacement is awesome. This makes me happy.
43 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:20:36am |
44 | Lidane Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:22:16am |
re: #22 RadicalModerate
This might be one of the most telling pieces of information regarding Rep. Todd Akin's - and his supporters - world view.
I will never understand how anyone can talk about the Branch Davidians as anything other than a mini Jonestown. They were a religious cult that was murdered by their leader and so-called Messiah. They weren't martyrs killed by the American government.
Comparing a politician to a cult leader isn't a good thing. WTF.
45 | A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:22:24am |
re: #41 Obdicut
I think West's original district has been absorbed into others through a new map(I might be wrong,but I thought I read that somewhere). So he's running in another part of the state. Might not be a total cakewalk for him if that's the case.
46 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:22:59am |
THERE was a post on my fb today stating that the price of gas was $1.80 when Obama took office.
My first thought was --really? I don't remember $1.80 --in nearly a decade. I thought about looking it up and thought, why? When it is a GOP candidate, the response would be --the POTUS has nothing to do with the price of gas.
And we'd have another round of Congressional Hearings on the price of gas. I think once in the spring every year is enough.
47 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:25:24am |
re: #46 ggt
The problem is that when gas hit $4 under Bush the left was screaming about his oil buddies but they are silent with President Obama. Just typical politics.
48 | Lidane Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:26:52am |
re: #46 ggt
I haven't seen gas under $2 in years. Probably since Clinton was in office, and definitely not since 9/11.
49 | A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:28:48am |
re: #40 Dark_Falcon
Murphy didn't drive drunk. He was 19,got hammered at a bar and was charged with disorderly conduct and having a fake license.So he was a college kid who used a fake ID to buy drinks in a bar as a teenager. Not cool,but 19 yr olds aren't known for their good judgement when out with a bunch of friends.
What West did got him thrown out of the military. I think there's kind of a difference here. If the Murphy campaign is smart(and they seem to be)they'll point out West's service record. Which isn't stellar,to say the least.
50 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:29:58am |
re: #48 Lidane
I haven't seen gas under $2 in years. Probably since Clinton was in office, and definitely not since 9/11.
51 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:30:32am |
re: #48 Lidane
I haven't seen gas under $2 in years. Probably since Clinton was in office, and definitely not since 9/11.
It actually dropped.
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]
52 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:32:33am |
53 | AntonSirius Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:32:37am |
re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar
re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar
Other than the ACLU and some rwnj's, there has been little protest about this. Just like the anti-war folks. I mean, there are still anti-war protesters but not like the amount during the Bush years. Or it just isn't getting covered as much.
There's more motivation and energy from the left to protest a president like Bush on security/freedom/war issues when he's also not doing anything for them domestically. Obama, on the other hand, has done pretty well pushing the pendulum back left on most domestic issues, so he generates more feelings of disappointment than righteous indignation in the areas where he's "failed". And disappointment doesn't put bodies in the streets.
54 | A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:35:26am |
re: #48 Lidane
Depends on where you are,gas prices are weird. I'm in metro Atlanta,we seem to have lower gas prices here than in other parts of the country most of the time. In 2008,it took me about 17-18 dollars to fill up the car I had then,a Honda Fit. Approx a 10 gal tank. I have a little Hyundai now,the tank is a teeny bit bigger than the Fit, it's been costing me close to 40 to fill it now. The only reason I remember is because my husband lost his job in 08 and we were watching every penny,keeping receipts and figuring out where to cut expenses.
55 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:35:35am |
re: #43 ggt
It's morning again!
Obligatory Cuteness! caption needed!
How are you?
"Nobody told me there was going to be MBath"
56 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:36:47am |
re: #55 sattv4u2
"Nobody told me there was going to be
MBath"
LOL --all I can think of is "Whatcho talkin' 'bout Willis?:"
57 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:36:57am |
re: #54 A Mom Anon
Between 1998ish and 2002 I used $7 a week in gas. I pretty much only went to work and back in a Mazda Protege.
58 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:37:34am |
re: #56 ggt
LOL --all I can think of is "Whatcho talkin' 'bout Willis?:"
I was thinking "at least it's not another cat pic".
59 | A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:39:48am |
re: #57 Cannadian Club Akbar
LOL,I remember those days. Hell,my husband has always had to have a truck for work and his F-150 and then his Dodge Ram only used maybe 25 dollars a week.
I still remember gas station signs with the price in CENTS ONLY,no dollars involved.
Now,you kids get off my lawn,damnit.
60 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:41:02am |
re: #59 A Mom Anon
LOL,I remember those days. Hell,my husband has always had to have a truck for work and his F-150 and then his Dodge Ram only used maybe 25 dollars a week.
I still remember gas station signs with the price in CENTS ONLY,no dollars involved.
Now,you kids get off my lawn,damnit.
Heh. Now the signs read ARM, LEG, FIRST BORN.
/
61 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:42:16am |
re: #54 A Mom Anon
we were watching every penny,keeping receipts and figuring out where to cut expenses.
Got rid of your husband, did ya!?!?
//
62 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:43:18am |
re: #46 ggt
THERE was a post on my fb today stating that the price of gas was $1.80 when Obama took office.
My first thought was --really? I don't remember $1.80 --in nearly a decade. I thought about looking it up and thought, why? When it is a GOP candidate, the response would be --the POTUS has nothing to do with the price of gas.
And we'd have another round of Congressional Hearings on the price of gas. I think once in the spring every year is enough.
1.745 in 12/2008. Which 2 months after the October market crash. That same year it reached a high of 4.114 in 7/2008. Right now it's sitting at 3.910.
It's basically back in the position it was before the market crash of '08.
U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)
63 | William of Orange Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:45:00am |
64 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:45:50am |
re: #62 Gus
1.745 in 12/2008. Which 2 months after the October market crash. That same year it reached a high of 4.114 in 7/2008. Right now it's sitting at 3.910.
It's basically back in the position it was before the market crash of '08.
U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)
I was working for an underground utilities company when the prices spiked. The one owner (who did the finances) hated writing that check. 10,000 gallons of on-road diesel and 10,000 gallons of off-road diesel at the same time. Ouch.
65 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:46:10am |
re: #62 Gus
1.745 in 12/2008. Which 2 months after the October market crash. That same year it reached a high of 4.114 in 7/2008. Right now it's sitting at 3.910.
It's basically back in the position it was before the market crash of '08.
U.S. All Grades All Formulations Retail Gasoline Prices (Dollars per Gallon)
What I don't get is the sharp drop during the election cycle in 2008, then sharp gain.
66 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:46:43am |
67 | A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:48:17am |
re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar
I was at the gas station a couple of days ago and this guy in an H2 was behind me and got out to ask me about my car and how good the mileage is.This never used to happen,but these days I've had a few people stop me and ask. When I tell them the avg is around 31 and up to 42 mpg they then ask if it's a hybrid,lol. Nope,just a pretty efficient little car. I don't have a bunch of kids or a lot of stuff to tote around,so a little car works for me. I think they're more fun to drive too.
68 | A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:51:46am |
And with that,I'm outta here. If it doesn't rain,we're taking the teenager to the state fair today. Later lizards...
69 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:53:24am |
re: #67 A Mom Anon
I was at the gas station a couple of days ago and this guy in an H2 was behind me and got out to ask me about my car and how good the mileage is.This never used to happen,but these days I've had a few people stop me and ask. When I tell them the avg is around 31 and up to 42 mpg they then ask if it's a hybrid,lol. Nope,just a pretty efficient little car. I don't have a bunch of kids or a lot of stuff to tote around,so a little car works for me. I think they're more fun to drive too.
I had an MG Midget at one point. That thing was a street legal go-kart. I actually would look over the windshield when I could (ala the Flintstones).
70 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:53:29am |
re: #65 ggt
What I don't get is the sharp drop during the election cycle in 2008, then sharp gain.
My typical answer is the recession. Lower demand with no good future outlook. You can see more here. Gasoline prices are and will remain erratic and high regardless of what politicians may promise. Low gasoline prices are not a good indicator.
71 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:55:13am |
73 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 6:57:16am |
75 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:00:47am |
Or, watch it to listen to Will Lyman's narration.
//
76 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:01:44am |
re: #75 Gus
You know who rules as a narrator? Peter Coyote.
77 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:02:41am |
re: #76 Cannadian Club Akbar
He does have a very good voice.
78 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:04:30am |
re: #77 PhillyPretzel
He does have a very good voice.
You know who has a sweet job? The guy that narrates all the previews at the movies.
79 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:06:08am |
re: #76 Cannadian Club Akbar
You know who rules as a narrator? Peter Coyote.
He's good. Coyote is good for nature and Lyman is good for current events.
81 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:07:56am |
re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar
I had an MG Midget at one point
I think the politically correct statement is now "MG Vertically Challenged"
83 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:09:22am |
re: #80 Gus
Today on Wild Kingdom, my assistant Mike will neuter a water buffalo with a pocket knife.
/
84 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:10:20am |
re: #82 PhillyPretzel
Mutual of Omaha Wild Kingdom. Great show.
"I'm Marlin Perkins. While I sit here in a nice air conditioned studio in complete safety, we'll be talking to Jim Fowler who is in Southern Hotter Than Hell sticking his hand in a wild boars mouth"
85 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:10:25am |
re: #46 ggt
THERE was a post on my fb today stating that the price of gas was $1.80 when Obama took office.
My first thought was --really? I don't remember $1.80 --in nearly a decade. I thought about looking it up and thought, why? When it is a GOP candidate, the response would be --the POTUS has nothing to do with the price of gas.
And we'd have another round of Congressional Hearings on the price of gas. I think once in the spring every year is enough.
Yeah, go back to those dark days at the tail end of the Bush presidency when the economy was teetering on collapse and it all just kind of stopped there for a while. That is why gas was cheap at the time. It wasn't because the economy was doing well.
86 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:13:16am |
Still a douche nozzle.
#AskFarrakhan Town Hall Meeting Features Anti-#Jewish Conspiracy Theories » On the #ADL Blog: ow.ly/e4UK4 #ADL #Farrakhan— ADL (@ADL_National) September 29, 2012
87 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:16:16am |
re: #86 Gus
Still a douche nozzle.
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From the linky:
He then said that the Monica Lewinsky scandal was somehow a Jewish plot. “Bill Clinton refused to meet with an Israeli Prime Minister. The next thing you heard was Monica Lewinsky and all of those that were involved in scandalizing Bill Clinton, they happened to be Zionists.”
Reality ain't his friend. Sheesh.
88 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:17:22am |
Farrahkan is the exact opposite of Uncle Lew on Seinfeld. Heh.
89 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:20:03am |
re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar
From the linky:
He then said that the Monica Lewinsky scandal was somehow a Jewish plot. “Bill Clinton refused to meet with an Israeli Prime Minister. The next thing you heard was Monica Lewinsky and all of those that were involved in scandalizing Bill Clinton, they happened to be Zionists.”Reality ain't his friend. Sheesh.
Deep thinker.
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90 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:23:24am |
re: #89 Gus
Deep thinker.
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Didn't he apologize for the things he said over the years about the Jews when he was near death?
91 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:25:30am |
re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar
Didn't he apologize for the things he said over the years about the Jews when he was near death?
I thought so. He's back albeit with a "lite" version of his former self.
92 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:29:23am |
Just posted this item. TSA did not notice a gun in someone's luggage. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
93 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:32:02am |
re: #92 PhillyPretzel
Just posted this item. TSA did not notice a gun in someone's luggage. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Question is, if they had, would they have stolen it!?!?
(partial /)
94 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:33:00am |
re: #92 PhillyPretzel
Just posted this item. TSA did not notice a gun in someone's luggage. [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
TSA Agent working the X-ray machine: "Hmm, clothes, toothbrush, brush, blow dryer with a scope...."
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95 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:34:19am |
re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar
TSA Agent working the X-ray machine: "Hmm, clothes, toothbrush, brush, blow dryer with a scope...."
/
mouthwash!?!?
96 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:38:56am |
re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar
A scope on a six inch handgun? I do not think so.
97 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:40:11am |
re: #96 PhillyPretzel
A scope on a six inch handgun? I do not think so.
I stole that from a comedian.
98 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:40:30am |
99 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:41:16am |
100 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:41:28am |
101 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:43:24am |
re: #100 sattv4u2
Yes it can be done but doesn't it look silly. You know that gun is used for concealed carry. Second link does not work.
102 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:44:19am |
re: #101 PhillyPretzel
Yes it can be done but doesn't it look silly. You know that gun is used for concealed carry.
I thought it was used as a hair dryer!!! CCA said so!!
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104 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:52:21am |
Ran my new dehumidifier in the greenhouse last night. Thing works great, no condensation at all and the humidity stayed about 65%. damn thing sucks up 600 watts but I only need to run it at night. It'll be interesting to see what my electricity bill is like.
106 | darthstar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:53:40am |
re: #104 Killgore Trout
Ran my new dehumidifier in the greenhouse last night. Thing works great, no condensation at all and the humidity stayed about 65%. damn thing sucks up 600 watts but I only need to run it at night. It'll be interesting to see what my electricity bill is like.
How much dope are you growing?
107 | darthstar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:54:18am |
re: #106 darthstar
How much dope are you growing?
I'm just saying...the profit margin should still be decent.
108 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:55:19am |
re: #106 darthstar
How much dope are you growing?
He'd better be growing enough for everyone. Just sayin'.
109 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:55:55am |
re: #106 darthstar
How much dope are you growing?
None. Just tomatoes, basil and edibles. I don't really smoke much anymore. I tried to start again but I just don't have the passion for it I had when younger. Enough people grow out here that they give it away. No need to grow my own.
110 | darthstar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 7:58:07am |
Nothing says "give my husband the nuclear button" quite like "I'm worried about his mental stability if he wins"...You're doing a heckuva job as a surrogate, Annie.
[Link: www.nationalconfidential.com...]
111 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:01:19am |
112 | darthstar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:05:30am |
At the dog park this morning I figured out why dogs are licking their butts all the time - they're delicious!— Andy Richter (@Andy_Richter) September 29, 2012
113 | ReamWorks SKG Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:08:03am |
re: #110 darthstar
Wow! Was that quote for real? That's astonishing.
114 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:09:04am |
All righty. First pancakes, then shower, then work. See y'all later.
115 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:10:24am |
re: #114 Cannadian Club Akbar
All righty. First pancakes, then shower, then work. See y'all later.
Why are you showering your pancakes?
116 | Holidays are Family Fun Time Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:11:53am |
117 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:12:10am |
119 | BongCrodny Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:13:31am |
re: #112 darthstar
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At the dog park this morning I figured out why dogs are licking their butts all the time - they're delicious!
I think I just found a new diet, because my appetite just completely disappeared.
120 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:16:38am |
re: #104 Killgore Trout
Ran my new dehumidifier in the greenhouse last night. Thing works great, no condensation at all and the humidity stayed about 65%. damn thing sucks up 600 watts but I only need to run it at night. It'll be interesting to see what my electricity bill is like.
In 8 hours it will use about 5 kw-hours which will cost you about $0.50.
121 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:19:01am |
re: #120 Mich-again
In 8 hours it will use about 5 kw-hours which will cost you about $0.50.
Lol! really? Damn.That's a relief.
122 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:20:16am |
re: #121 Killgore Trout
Lol! really? Damn.That's a relief.
AND ,,, the condensed water in the collector is good for anything,,, plants, drinking (after boiling),,, washing
123 | Mich-again Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:23:19am |
re: #121 Killgore Trout
Round figures there.. $0.10 per kilowatt hour is a typical estimate. Your prices may vary. But then the dehumidifier gives you a gallon of free water so that puts a penny back in your pocket.
124 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:23:57am |
re: #122 sattv4u2
AND ,,, the condensed water in the collector is good for anything,,, plants, drinking (after boiling),,, washing
I thinks it's technically distilled water. For now I have it draining straight into the plants but later this winter I'm going to invest in a large water tank to put in the basement. Hopefully I can store enough rain water (and distilled water) to get me through the summer. My rain barrels ran dry by June this year so I didn't make it very far.
125 | BongCrodny Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:24:24am |
Small pleasant surprise this morning. Just went to rottentomatoes.com to check out what the talking heads had to say about the new Bruce Willis/Joseph Gordon-Levitt movie, Looper.
Wasn't expecting miracles, but 93% positive? Hell, I'd go to a freaking Julia Roberts movie if it was 93% positive.
126 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:25:02am |
re: #125 BongCrodny
Small pleasant surprise this morning. Just went to rottentomatoes.com to check out what the talking heads had to say about the new Bruce Willis/Joseph Gordon-Levitt movie, Looper.
Wasn't expecting miracles, but 93% positive? Hell, I'd go to a freaking Julia Roberts movie if it was 93% positive.
The preview looked really good on that one.
127 | danarchy Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:26:45am |
re: #124 Killgore Trout
I thinks it's technically distilled water. For now I have it draining straight into the plants but later this winter I'm going to invest in a large water tank to put in the basement. Hopefully I can store enough rain water (and distilled water) to get me through the summer. My rain barrels ran dry by June this year so I didn't make it very far.
Be careful with that. Collecting rainwater even on your own property is illegal in many states.
128 | dragonfire1981 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:28:15am |
129 | dragonfire1981 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:29:22am |
This just In - Republicans decide to improve their chances of winning election by hiring replacement voting officials.
130 | wrenchwench Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:29:54am |
re: #127 danarchy
Be careful with that. Collecting rainwater even on your own property is illegal in many states.
Hahaha! He's in Western Oregon.
131 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:31:31am |
132 | Kronocide Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:31:38am |
re: #127 danarchy
Be careful with that. Collecting rainwater even on your own property is illegal in many states.
That has more to do with creating a dam. Not in buckets or barrels.
135 | BongCrodny Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:34:38am |
re: #128 dragonfire1981
That hack won a freaking Pulitzer for editorial cartooning.
This ain't a left-right thing: back in the day, I freaking *adored* Jeff McNelly's stuff, but I have never seen a Ramirez cartoon that wasn't awful.
136 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:35:47am |
Will Waterboarding Make a Comeback?
By ANDREW ROSENTHAL
Last September, Mitt Romney’s advisers were so determined to attack President Obama from every direction and to revive long-discredited neo-con theories about interrogation that they actually encouraged the candidate to come out strongly pro-torture in his presidential campaign.
In what The Times’ Charlie Savage describes as a “near-final draft” of a memo, Romney advisers denounced Mr. Obama’s executive order on interrogation (which instructed interrogators to hew to the Army Field Manual, i.e. to legal techniques). They also urged Mr. Romney to pledge that, upon taking office, he would rescind that order...
137 | AntonSirius Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:36:11am |
re: #125 BongCrodny
Small pleasant surprise this morning. Just went to rottentomatoes.com to check out what the talking heads had to say about the new Bruce Willis/Joseph Gordon-Levitt movie, Looper.
Wasn't expecting miracles, but 93% positive? Hell, I'd go to a freaking Julia Roberts movie if it was 93% positive.
It's very, very, very good.
138 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:37:13am |
re: #127 danarchy
Be careful with that. Collecting rainwater even on your own property is illegal in many states.
They encourage it here in Portland. With urban expansion and copious amounts of winter rainfall the sewer systems can't keep up. They will pay you a small fee and cut a bit off your water bill for disconnecting your downspouts from the city sewers.
139 | BongCrodny Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:38:16am |
re: #137 AntonSirius
It's very, very, very good.
I was completely sold from this blurb:
"Looper is like a Christopher Nolan movie with a sense of humor." -- Vincent Mancini, FilmDrunk.
140 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:51:17am |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
141 | dragonfire1981 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:52:22am |
Interesting but sobering...
Rising Government Restrictions
The U.S. score on the Government Restrictions Index rose from 1.6 in the year ending in mid-2009 to 2.7 in the year ending in mid-2010, moving the U.S. from the low category of restrictions to the moderate category for the first time in the four years studied. (GRI scores 2.4 or higher are categorized as moderate by this study, while scores 4.5 or higher are categorized as high.)
During the period from mid-2009 to mid-2010, a number of the sources used in the study reported an increase in the number of incidents at the state and local level in which members of some religious groups faced restrictions on their ability to practice their faith. This included incidents in which individuals were prevented from wearing certain religious attire or symbols, including beards, in some judicial settings or in prisons, penitentiaries or other correctional facilities. For instance, the U.S. Department of Justice reported that it was pursuing a lawsuit in federal court against the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation and various California officials on behalf of a Sikh prison inmate who, in March 2010, had been ordered to trim his facial hair in violation of his religious beliefs. The Justice Department said the state’s inmate grooming policy “imposed a substantial burden” on the man’s ability to exercise his faith.2
Some religious groups in the U.S. also faced difficulties in obtaining zoning permits to build or expand houses of worship, religious schools or other religious institutions. For instance, in May 2010, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court ruling that the Boulder County Commissioners had discriminated against the Rocky Mountain Christian Church by denying it permits to expand its school and worship facilities even though the commissioners had issued permits to a nearby secular school for a similar expansion.3 The appeals court agreed with the lower court that the commissioners’ actions violated the Religious Land Use and Institutionalized Persons Act of 2000 (RLUIPA), which protects individuals and institutions from religious discrimination in land-use decisions and protects the religious rights of prisoners and other persons confined to institutions.4 The Justice Department — in a report marking the 10th anniversary of the passage of RLUIPA — noted that 31 of its 51 land-use investigations from 2000-2010 involved Christian groups; most of the remaining 20 investigations involved religious minorities, including Muslims (seven investigations), Jews (six), Buddhists (three) and Hindus (one).5
From mid-2009 to mid-2010, at least one state sought to restrict the application of Islamic or sharia law. In the spring of 2010, Oklahoma legislators proposed an amendment to the state constitution that would have banned state courts from considering sharia law or international law in their decisions.6 (The constitutional change was later approved in a statewide vote, but a federal appeals court struck down the amendment in January 2012, saying it violated the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.7)
And, for the first time, one of the primary sources used in this study reported that some level of government in the U.S. had imposed limits on conversion. A report by the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Freedom of Religion or Belief mentions an incident at the Southport Correctional Facility, an ultra-maximum security prison near Elmira, N.Y., in which a prisoner was denied the right to change his religious designation to Muslim. The inmate complained that he could not participate in Ramadan observances without an official change to his religious designation in the New York Department of Correctional Services’ records.
Guess which country was rated as having more fewer restrictions than the U.S. in this report?
That evil gun hating, socialist state of Canada.
Go figure. :P
142 | austin_blue Sat, Sep 29, 2012 8:59:08am |
re: #141 dragonfire1981
It's a war on Christians!
Oh, wait...
In brighter news, I've got 1.3" of nice clean water in my rain gauge this morning. Yay!
143 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:03:46am |
re: #134 Gus
[Cough]
What exactly is "hasn't found a job in 43 months" all about? I don't get that one at all.
144 | Four More Tears Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:03:54am |
re: #142 austin_blue
It's a war on Christians!
Oh, wait...
In brighter news, I've got 1.3" of nice clean water in my rain gauge this morning. Yay!
Water's finally falling from the sky in Texas?
145 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:04:49am |
re: #143 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
What exactly is "hasn't found a job in 43 months" all about? I don't get that one at all.
Don't know.
146 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:05:34am |
re: #143 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
What exactly is "hasn't found a job in 43 months" all about? I don't get that one at all.
Oh wait. 43 months. That's how long Obama's been in office.
148 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:07:59am |
re: #143 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
What exactly is "hasn't found a job in 43 months" all about? I don't get that one at all.
Let's see...43 months = 3 years and 7 months. Sept 2012 minus that is roughly February 2009. Let's assume it was drawn a month before it was published, so that pushes it back to January, 2009.
You know, the month when history of everything bad in America began.
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149 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:08:57am |
re: #146 Gus
Oh wait. 43 months. That's how long Obama's been in office.
Well, yes. But outside of campaigning for a 2nd term, is a President supposed to be out looking for a job? I mean, I know that there's a right-wing trope that the Obamas are lazy and shiftless, but is there really anyone who thinks the President should be looking for gainful employment while serving instead of lounging about in the White House?
150 | dragonfire1981 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:12:07am |
re: #142 austin_blue
It's a war on Christians!
Oh, wait...
In brighter news, I've got 1.3" of nice clean water in my rain gauge this morning. Yay!
A lot of right wing blogs and websites are spinning it as such, but the report obviously details issues of freedom across multiple religions.
151 | dragonfire1981 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:13:30am |
re: #149 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Well, yes. But outside of campaigning for a 2nd term, is a President supposed to be out looking for a job? I mean, I know that there's a right-wing trope that the Obamas are lazy and shiftless, but is there really anyone who thinks the President should be looking for gainful employment
while servinginstead of lounging about in the White House?
I think "haven't found a job" is alluding to the fact that Obama has allegedly done little in terms of job creation for Americans.
In other words, he hasn't found US any jobs.
152 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:14:37am |
re: #149 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Well, yes. But outside of campaigning for a 2nd term, is a President supposed to be out looking for a job? I mean, I know that there's a right-wing trope that the Obamas are lazy and shiftless, but is there really anyone who thinks the President should be looking for gainful employment
while servinginstead of lounging about in the White House?
The character in the cartoon hasn't found a job in 43 months.
153 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:15:56am |
re: #150 dragonfire1981
A lot of right wing blogs and websites are spinning it as such, but the report obviously details issues of freedom across multiple religions.
Also, at least from the chunk quoted above, this is largely at the state and local level, and the {evil socialist secularist} feds are the ones pushing back.
154 | Interesting Times Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:16:04am |
Bwahaha:
As a public service we have decided to release the unskewed results version of our recent Florida poll: publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/Flori...— PublicPolicyPolling (@ppppolls) September 29, 2012
(you must click the link for the full effect ;) )
155 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:18:19am |
re: #151 dragonfire1981
I think "haven't found a job" is alluding to the fact that Obama has allegedly done little in terms of job creation for Americans.
In other words, he hasn't found US any jobs.
Weirdest use of the term "hasn't found a job" I've ever seen.
156 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:18:35am |
re: #154 Interesting Times
Bwahaha:
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(you must click the link for the full effect ;) )
There will be an immediate investigation to find those self-identified Republicans who would vote for Obama and remove these heretics from the party.
158 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:27:05am |
re: #157 Gus
Derp.
Yea, let's destroy our central banking system and go back to banks doing their own bank notes. That will turn out *so* well. (Idiots)
And more not understanding that the drug legalization rhetoric is to turn over enforcement to the states. Which will not lead to legalization in at least 45 of them - more likely to go the other way with making the possession and use penalties higher than they currently are.
159 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:28:20am |
161 | bratwurst Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:35:07am |
Think I just got blocked on Twitter by Glenn Greenwald for suggesting that his habit of exaggeration means a lot of people don't take him very seriously. Woe is me.
162 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:35:30am |
163 | dragonfire1981 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:37:35am |
re: #162 Varek Raith
Loving all these great Mars discoveries this year. It's a virtual gold mine for a story I'm writing that is in part focused on a colony of wealthy humans living there (story is set around the year 2120).
164 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:37:59am |
165 | dragonfire1981 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:39:08am |
166 | bratwurst Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:40:00am |
re: #164 Varek Raith
Has there been any kind of official confirmation or denial about the legitimacy of this?
167 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:40:04am |
re: #161 bratwurst
Think I just got blocked on Twitter by Glenn Greenwald for suggesting that his habit of exaggeration means a lot of people don't take him very seriously. Woe is me.
Free speech! Drones! Yeah, that douche blocked me too. Fuck him and his fanboys.
169 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:41:32am |
re: #166 bratwurst
Has there been any kind of confirmation or denial about the legitimacy of this?
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
170 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:42:39am |
re: #169 Varek Raith
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
Ah, I see. So Mitt Romney's really running for governor of Virginia?
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171 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:44:03am |
172 | bratwurst Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:44:15am |
re: #169 Varek Raith
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
Doesn't seem to be anyone from the campaign confirming that they mailed it. Admittedly, it does seem far-fetched that someone would conceive and print such a left field kind of spoof though.
173 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:45:36am |
re: #172 bratwurst
Doesn't seem to be anyone from the campaign confirming that they mailed it. Admittedly, it does seem far-fetched that someone would conceive and print such a left field kind of spoof though.
It certainly is odd.
175 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:47:33am |
Oh deer, let's not start with the bad puns.
177 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:49:11am |
Algeria at UN: Limit free speech, protect Islam
Algeria is proposing an initiative under the auspices of the United Nations that would limit freedom of expression in order to prevent the stigmatizing and denigrating of Islam.
...
Malaysia's foreign minister Anifah Aman told the assembly on Saturday that attacks on Islam shouldn't be protected by freedom of speech laws."Why is it when Muslims are stigmatized and defamed, it is defended as freedom of expression?" he asked.
178 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:49:26am |
Moar here.
Romney's Plan to Win Virginia: Lyme Disease
—By Tim Murphy
| Fri Sep. 28, 2012 7:53 AM PDT
...
We were confused too. But it turns out that Romney has, over the last few months, actually made Lyme disease—the bacterial disease transmitted to humans from deer ticks—part of his pitch to suburban Virginia voters. It started back in August, when he sent a public letter (paid for by the campaign) to Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.) commending him for his push to create a "Tick-Borne Diseases Advisory Committee." "More needs to be done," Romney wrote. "As president, I will work to ensure that more attention is focused on this important issue ... We need to ensure that all scientific viewpoints concerning this illness can be heard."
...
179 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:50:48am |
re: #175 Varek Raith
Oh deer, let's not start with the bad puns.
That'll get me ticked off in a minute.
180 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:51:24am |
Muslim ministers call for laws against religious hatred
Muslim foreign ministers called on Friday for laws against incitement to “religious hatred” as they condemned an American-made film mocking Islam that sparked deadly protests.
Ministers from the 57-nation Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) said that freedom of expression had to be used with “responsibility.”
....
In a statement, the ministers condemned “intolerance, discrimination, profiling, negative stereotyping, stigmatization, religious hatred and violence against Muslims, as well as denigration of their religion” caused by the release of the film and cartoons of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH].“These Islamophobic acts stand in violation of the freedom of religion and belief, guaranteed by international human rights instruments, and have deeply offended” Muslims around the world, the statement added.
“We acknowledge the importance of freedom of expression, but at the same time stress the need to ensure that this freedom should be exercised by all with responsibility and in accordance with the relevant international human rights laws.”
The ministers called for “global awareness about the dangerous implications of incitement to religious hatred, discrimination and violence.”
181 | Lidane Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:51:40am |
Top Romney adviser criticizes Obama for not killing Bin Laden fast enough: thkpr.gs/PhecNa— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) September 29, 2012
Could these guys please pick a story and stick to it? First President Obama got no credit for the Bin Laden raid. Then the raid was a failure because it incited all kinds of anti-American violence. Now the POTUS is getting sniped at because he didn't kill Bin Laden on day one of his presidency.
What. The. FUCK. Isn't it enough that OBL is dead?
182 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:51:57am |
Why Is Romney Campaigning on Medical Quackery?
He's going after the ultimate niche voter: Virginia’s Lyme disease conspiracy theorists.
By Laura Helmuth|Posted Saturday, Sept. 29, 2012, at 10:23 AM ET
183 | wrenchwench Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:52:19am |
re: #175 Varek Raith
Oh deer, let's not start with the bad puns.
I'll bite. I know it bugs some people, though.
184 | jaunte Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:54:53am |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
I predict that freedom from offense will never be a human right, and will never be enforceable.
185 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:55:21am |
re: #181 Lidane
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Could these guys please pick a story and stick to it? First President Obama got no credit for the Bin Laden raid. Then the raid was a failure because it incited all kinds of anti-American violence. Now the POTUS is getting sniped at because he didn't kill Bin Laden on day one of his presidency.
What. The. FUCK. Isn't it enough that OBL is dead?
Sununu
186 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:55:58am |
re: #184 jaunte
I predict that freedom from offense will never be a human right, and will never be enforceable.
Why? It works so well in Saudi Arabia.
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187 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:56:45am |
re: #184 jaunte
I predict that freedom from offense will never be a human right, and will never be enforceable.
I don't think it will work out well either but we might be headed in that direction for a while at least. The idea does have a certain amount of support. I think it's an experiment that will ultimately fail.
188 | Lidane Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:57:09am |
re: #177 Killgore Trout
Wishful thinking, just like a single international copyright standard.
It will never happen.
189 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:58:18am |
"Why is it when Muslims are stigmatized and defamed, it is defended as freedom of expression?" he asked.
For the same reason that when Catholics, Jews, Mormons, Protestants*, Buddhists, Moonies, Scientologists, Seventh Day Adventists, Wiccans, Hindus, Baha'is, and Sikhs are stigmatized and defamed, it is defended as freedom of expression.
*Except that I can't remember the last time someone made fun of Presbyterians, or passed out pamphlets on "The Dark Secrets of the Methodists." I suppose defaming Masons will have to count.
190 | jaunte Sat, Sep 29, 2012 9:58:50am |
re: #187 Killgore Trout
If they continue to couch it in terms of offending Islam, they'll get a lot of votes from the OIC, but it's transparently not about offenses to faith in general.
191 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:03:59am |
re: #190 jaunte
If they continue to couch it in terms of offending Islam, they'll get a lot of votes from the OIC, but it's transparently not about offenses to faith in general.
I have a better idea. How about we create a UN "law" that bans punishment for blasphemy in violation of basic human rights. Punishment that includes the "flogging, amputation, hanging, or beheading" of same. Or would that be culturally insensitive of me?
192 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:08:18am |
Mohammed and Jesus were gay lovers.
/OUTRAGE!
193 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:08:31am |
re: #191 Gus
I have a better idea. How about we create a UN "law" that bans punishment for blasphemy in violation of basic human rights. Punishment that includes the "flogging, amputation, hanging, or beheading" of same. Or would that be culturally insensitive of me?
You're so very insensitive.
We used to have laws like that. We gave them up, probably because we figured out that one man's truth is another man's blasphemy.
194 | Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:08:37am |
re: #191 Gus
I have a better idea. How about we create a UN "law" that bans punishment for blasphemy in violation of basic human rights. Punishment that includes the "flogging, amputation, hanging, or beheading" of same. Or would that be culturally insensitive of me?
How about equal rights for women too?
Nigerian Muslim women chased from Meca: they need men to travel
• Saudi Arabia on Friday began expelling more than a thousand Nigerian women on religious pilgrimage to the country because they had arrived without male guardians, the first time it sent back such a large group in enforcement of strict rules governing women.
The government ministry that oversees the hajj pilgrimage said the 1,100 women had violated a long-standing law by travelling without an immediate male relative, adding that females of all nationalities who are younger than 45 must have a male guardian during the hajj pilgrimage.
195 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:09:08am |
re: #194 Killgore Trout
How about equal rights for women too?
Nigerian Muslim women chased from Meca: they need men to travel
Sheesh. Now you want women treated like human beings. What's next, banning child abuse?
196 | jaunte Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:10:52am |
re: #193 Mostly sane, most of the time.
one man's truth is another man's blasphemy.
Just wanted to repeat that. This is the basic "offense" that laws can't prevent.
198 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:12:52am |
The Beatles are over rated!
/There goes the other half of the planet in rage
199 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:13:06am |
re: #196 jaunte
Just wanted to repeat that. This is the basic "offense" that laws can't prevent.
I deal with blasphemy against atheism on a daily basis. It gets so bad sometimes it even comes out of the halls of congress. ;)
200 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:13:26am |
re: #198 Varek Raith
The Beatles are over rated!
/There goes the other half of the planet in rage
Football sucks! Both kinds!
201 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:13:49am |
204 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:15:33am |
re: #198 Varek Raith
The Beatles are over rated!
/There goes the other half of the planet in rage
One of the kids thinks that. I was dumbfounded.
(Specifically, they think the Beatles Birthday Song is dumb. How can you think that? It's the only cool Birthday Song out there.)
206 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:16:22am |
re: #205 Gus
You know who else hid in a bunker.
//
Most of the soldiers of WWII, at one point or another?
207 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:17:16am |
re: #206 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Most of the soldiers of WWII, at one point or another?
Them and that vegetarian dog lover with a funny mustache.
//
208 | BishopX Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:17:23am |
re: #194 Killgore Trout
To be fair to the Saudi government, the reason they cited was that many nigerian women were staying in the KSA after the haj, often working as prostitutes...
209 | BongCrodny Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:17:49am |
210 | Varek Raith Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:17:50am |
212 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:19:05am |
re: #209 BongCrodny
So does Honor Alexander-Harrington.
213 | jaunte Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:19:44am |
215 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:22:46am |
The war is over! Peace at last! Peace at last...
#NFL referees approve eight-year labor agreement | trib.al/9MuEcM— Bloomberg News (@BloombergNews) September 29, 2012
217 | BongCrodny Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:22:49am |
re: #212 PhillyPretzel
So does Honor Alexander-Harrington.
(Makes note to check this out at my next visit to the bookstore.)
218 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:23:32am |
re: #216 PhillyPretzel
Why? Do we have a gripe with Scotland?
Hmmm. Good idea. A global ban on golf!
//
219 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:24:16am |
220 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:25:14am |
re: #217 BongCrodny
Check the CD's from Baen. [Link: baencd.thefifthimperium.com...] Mission of Honor is the last Honorverse CD at the moment.
221 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:25:58am |
re: #219 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Haggis is biological warfare.
I was thinking psychological warfare. Kind of like Axl Rose.
222 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:26:13am |
re: #219 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Don't say that around Jimmah or Ice.
224 | BongCrodny Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:26:57am |
Sweet Lordy Mercy.
My top-of-page ad is for a "documentary," The Hope & The Change.
"The most powerful documentary I've ever seen!" -- Sean Hannity.
I'm wracking my brain here, but I just can't quite put it together on what this one might be about.
225 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:29:09am |
In 1836, while John Quincy Adams was in the House of Representatives (after being President--they didn't use to go on Permanent Retiree status), a rule was passed that nobody could present an anti-slavery petition.
So he presented an anti-slavery petition every chance he could. (Because of Parliamentary procedures, there were ways around the gag rule.) He received death threats, but he wasn't going to be silenced.
In all House proceedings, Adams was purposely contentious and controversial, using every available means to achieve his objective of stirring up debate on slavery. He intentionally baited irate House members to censure him for his conduct. When they did, he employed the time granted him for defense to expound his views on slavery-related issues. On one such occasion, Adams spoke for two weeks on his defense and threatened to go on for another unless the House tabled the censure resolution against him. The resolution was tabled, and Adams emerged doubly successful, for he had used those two weeks to denounce slaveholders for abusing slaves as well as free abolitionists, whose constitutional rights of petition, speech, and the press had been circumscribed. One House rival, Representative Henry Wise, called Adams "the acutest, the astutest, the archest enemy of southern slavery that ever existed."
Can't decide whether he's a chip off of the old block in regards to Mom, Dad, or both, but I can't imagine either one of them passively submitting to being silenced, either.
226 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:29:17am |
re: #224 BongCrodny
::: hauling out the 10 foot pole ::: I am not going there.
227 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:35:17am |
re: #226 PhillyPretzel
::: hauling out the 10 foot pole ::: I am not going there.
There are no 10-foot Poles. The tallest man in history was only 8'11", and he was an American.
228 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:35:22am |
re: #209 BongCrodny
I hate coffee!
Top that one.
HERETIC
Don't let GGT see that. You'll be off her Christmas Card list!!
229 | wrenchwench Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:37:13am |
230 | wrenchwench Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:37:59am |
ggt's really gonna hate that one. It's a twofer.
231 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:38:17am |
re: #228 sattv4u2
HERETICK
Don't let GGT see that. You'll be off her Christmas Card list!!
Stay on topic...
Lyme disease.
//
233 | wrenchwench Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:39:35am |
re: #232 Gus
Ooooooooooooooooooooooo. Now you've done it.
THIS MEANS WAR!
War sucks!
Oh, wait.
Gary Johnson sucks!
234 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:39:37am |
235 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:39:58am |
And on Caturday no less! This is an outrage! Release the kittens!
236 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:41:16am |
237 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:41:28am |
re: #235 Gus
aack a flood of cuteness. I can't stand it. //
241 | Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:43:48am |
242 | Targetpractice Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:44:50am |
re: #241 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Keith Richards might be the only survivor.
If there's ever nuclear war, it's just gonna be Keith and the roaches left.
243 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:45:43am |
re: #242 Targetpractice
If there's ever nuclear war, it's just gonna be Keith and the roaches left.
And Castro.
244 | sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:47:20am |
re: #242 Targetpractice
If there's ever nuclear war, it's just gonna be Keith and the roaches left.
downding for redundancy!!!
//
245 | Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:54:14am |
Desperation is truly setting in on the right, when Conor Friedersdorf feels he has to write an article criticizing Obama with left wing talking points.
Why I Refuse to Vote for Barack Obama - Conor Friedersdorf
What a tool. As if anyone ever thought he'd be voting for Obama anyway.
246 | jaunte Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:54:34am |
re: #180 Killgore Trout
Related, from Russia:
Blasphemy in Russia may soon be punishable by jail time
“All these actions are aimed at destabilizing the centuries-old spiritual and moral foundations of Russia, discrediting traditional values and, in essence, serve to ignite civil strife and undermine the country’s sovereignty,” the Duma resolution said.
The declaration has no binding force but sets the tone for legislation that Yaroslav Nilov, head of the Duma committee on civic and religious groups, said would be presented to parliament as early as this week.
Nilov said a proposed amendment would introduce criminal responsibility for offences against religious beliefs and feelings and impose a jail term of up to three years.
247 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:55:49am |
re: #245 Charles Johnson
Desperation is truly setting in on the right, when Conor Friedersdorf feels he has to write an article criticizing Obama with left wing talking points.
Why I Refuse to Vote for Barack Obama - Conor Friedersdorf
What a tool. As if anyone ever thought he'd be voting for Obama anyway.
Paulnut.
248 | Gus Sat, Sep 29, 2012 10:57:50am |
re: #247 Gus
Paulnut.
Ron Paul and the Libertarians | Cato @ Liberty
Kirchick identified Conor Friedersdorf of the Atlantic as a libertarian who supported Ron Paul despite the bigotry in the newsletters that bore his name. But in fact Friedersdorf wrote a long and tortured article acknowledging the “egregiously offensive . . . racially bigoted . . . execrable” content of the newsletters. He went on to say that there was still a good case for supporting the only candidate who has consistently opposed the Iraq War, indefinite detention, drone strikes, anti-Muslim bigotry, and the war on drugs. Other libertarians who know about the newsletters are no doubt making similar calculations. And as David Weigel of Slate notes today, many less-engaged voters — such as American Idol winner Kelly Clarkson — still haven’t heard about the whole issue; they like Ron Paul for the issues he talks about, smaller government, budget cuts, sound money, and noninterventionism.
249 | b_sharp Sat, Sep 29, 2012 2:55:50pm |
re: #245 Charles Johnson
Desperation is truly setting in on the right, when Conor Friedersdorf feels he has to write an article criticizing Obama with left wing talking points.
Why I Refuse to Vote for Barack Obama - Conor Friedersdorf
What a tool. As if anyone ever thought he'd be voting for Obama anyway.
Did you mean 'right wing talking points?'
250 | wrenchwench Sat, Sep 29, 2012 3:11:20pm |
re: #249 reflections of a raging redneck
Did you mean 'right wing talking points?'
Nope, left.
Tell certain liberals and progressives that you can't bring yourself to vote for a candidate who opposes gay rights, or who doesn't believe in Darwinian evolution, and they'll nod along. Say that you'd never vote for a politician caught using the 'n'-word, even if you agreed with him on more policy issues than his opponent, and the vast majority of left-leaning Americans would understand. But these same people cannot conceive of how anyone can discern Mitt Romney's flaws, which I've chronicled in the course of the campaign, and still not vote for Obama.
Don't they see that Obama's transgressions are worse than any I've mentioned?
I don't see how anyone who confronts Obama's record with clear eyes can enthusiastically support him. I do understand how they might concluded that he is the lesser of two evils, and back him reluctantly, but I'd have thought more people on the left would regard a sustained assault on civil liberties and the ongoing, needless killing of innocent kids as deal-breakers.
[...]
He's a Libertarian.