Post-Debate Open Thread

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Yes, LGF is running slowly today, I know. It’s because traffic is very high, and our speedy new database server is outrunning our outdated web server, causing latency because the web server can’t keep up. The good news: the new state of the art web server is being installed tonight at 6pm Pacific.

Meanwhile, since the debate about the debate is still raging, here’s an open thread to continue the discussion. And while we’re at it, read Nate Silver’s take on the post-debate polls: Instant Reaction Polls Show Narrow Obama Advantage in Second Debate.

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1 freetoken  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:22:21am

One of the very many issues left off the screen as the politi-verse bickers over the world "terrorism":


Two US sailors arrested over Okinawa rape; anti-US feeling grows

2 freetoken  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:24:46am

Another stand out from last night's "debate" is how precious oil and coal are to us.

So, we might as well prepare for the inevitable:


Too late to stop global warming by cutting emissions

Governments and institutions should focus on developing adaption policies to address and mitigate against the negative impact of global warming, rather than putting the emphasis on carbon trading and capping greenhouse-gas emissions, argue Johannesburg-based Wits University geoscientist Dr Jasper Knight and Dr Stephan Harrison from the University of Exeter in the United Kingdom.

"At present, governments' attempts to limit greenhouse-gas emissions through carbon cap-and-trade schemes and to promote renewable and sustainable energy sources are prob¬ably too late to arrest the inevitable trend of global warming," the scientists write in a paper published online in the scientific journal, Nature Climate Change, on Monday, 14 October 2012.

[...]

3 dragonath  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:26:55am

From MSNBC... great moments of understatement:

Is ‘Hang in there Obama’ noose sign racist?

Image: nc_obamasign1017_500kmsnbc_121017.video-260x195.jpg

4 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:27:04am

Not related to the debate but very troubling info coming out of Gaza...

Israel: Gaza getting missiles from Libyan war

A top Israeli defense official says Gaza is being flooded with sophisticated weapons from Libya and that the anti-aircraft missile fired last week at an Israeli helicopter likely originated there.

Yossi Kuperwasser, who directs the Ministry of Strategic Affairs, says "significant" numbers of weapons have been smuggled into the territory from Libya since the fall last year of dictator Moammar Gadhafi. The country is awash in weapons after the eight-month civil war and has weak central authority.

Palestinian militants in Gaza launched a shoulder-fired Strela missile at an Israeli helicopter last week, but missed. It was the first such launch from Gaza.

Kuperwasser said Wednesday that Israel has long assumed that Gaza militants have kept such weapons, but probably only fired them after they amassed a large enough stockpile.

5 The Mongoose  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:27:06am

Reposting this from the previous thread just for fun...I think I'm going to do these updates from time to time as I enjoy the numbers side of a presidential race quite a lot:

In the world of polling, Gallup wandered quite a way off from the consensus today, showing a 6-point lead nationally for Governor Romney. Almost all other recent polls show a 1-point lead in either direction. Gallup looking like an outlier, especially with state polling showing that President Obama continues to hold leads (albeit razor-thin ones) in key swing states.

Current Mongoose Quasi-Scientific Projection (if vote were held today): Obama 281, Romney 257.

6 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:27:10am

Today's Fun Fact.

And how are you? I, sadly, missed the debate.

Should I worry?

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:27:31am

re: #2 freetoken

Another stand out from last night's "debate" is how precious oil and coal are to us.

So, we might as well prepare for the inevitable:

Too late to stop global warming by cutting emissions

Yes, it's been clear for a while that the international right wing disinformation campaign against climate science was very successful in confusing the general public.

These disgusting people are going to be responsible for putting the human race -- and their own children and grand-children -- in serious peril, all for short term profits.

8 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:27:56am

re: #5 The Mongoose

You going to bother mentioning the manner in which you pulled the number out of your ass? 'cuz without methedology, it's kinda boring.

9 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:28:06am

re: #2 freetoken

In a related issue, this looks to be Europe's worst grape harvest in 50 years, largely due to a continent-wide drought. That will affect agricultural jobs across the region, to say nothing of the prices and quality of the wines that are brought to market.

10 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:28:43am

re: #3 dragonath

Fom MSNBC... great moments of understatement:

Image: nc_obamasign1017_500kmsnbc_121017.video-260x195.jpg

What is it with douchebags and nooses? Buncha of fucking pricks. And this reminds me yet again of why I don't want George Allen back anywhere near the Senate. That prick had a hangman's noose paperweight on his desk.

11 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:28:53am

re: #1 freetoken

One of the very many issues left off the screen as the politi-verse bickers over the world "terrorism":

Two US sailors arrested over Okinawa rape; anti-US feeling grows

Beat me to it.

There was a lot of important ground covered in last night's debate. Immigration, Tax Policy, Equal treatment of women in the workplace, America's energy future, Education, Gun laws.

But despite all of that, the majority of discussion today is hair splitting over the words "terror" and "terrorism" and the context they were used in last month.

Have we really become a society of people who are afraid to admit it when they get things wrong?

12 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:28:57am

re: #6 ggt

Today's Fun Fact.

And how are you? I, sadly, missed the debate.

Should I worry?

A good bit less than two weeks ago, unless you're in one of Romney's binders.

13 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:30:33am

re: #3 dragonath

Fom MSNBC... great moments of understatement:

Is ‘Hang in there Obama’ noose sign racist?

Image: nc_obamasign1017_500kmsnbc_121017.video-260x195.jpg

Yeah, that's a real head-scratcher. We need a focus group and a poll to figure this out.

14 blueraven  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:31:22am

re: #5 The Mongoose

Reposting this from the previous thread just for fun...I think I'm going to do these updates from time to time as I enjoy the numbers side of a presidential race quite a lot:

In the world of polling, Gallup wandered quite a way off from the consensus today, showing a 6-point lead nationally for Governor Romney. Almost all other recent polls show a 1-point lead in either direction. Gallup looking like an outlier, especially with state polling showing that President Obama continues to hold leads (albeit razor-thin ones) in key swing states.

Current Mongoose Quasi-Scientific Projection (if vote were held today): Obama 281, Romney 257.

Gallup polling has been so erratic all year. I didn't believe them when they had Obama, at times, up by 12, and I dont believe Romney is up by 6 now.

I think your EV prediction is a good one.

15 dragonath  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:31:39am

Paging Frank Luntz!

16 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:32:01am

I have to confess that I didn't watch the debate last night, I was watching the Tigers whip Yankee ass.

But I was following the LGF discussion on my new Lenovo, and I switched to C-SPAN every time the Yankees called for a new pitcher.

17 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:32:11am

Ok, this is funny.

And, I'm staying On Topic.

18 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:32:59am
19 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:33:18am

re: #17 ggt

Ok, this is funny.

And, I'm staying On Topic.

I read that in his voice.

20 celticdragon  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:33:37am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Yes, it's been clear for a while that the international right wing disinformation campaign against climate science was very successful in confusing the general public.

These disgusting people are going to be responsible for putting the human race -- and their own children and grand-children -- in serious peril, all for short term profits.

But free markets solve everything!

/

21 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:33:48am

re: #1 freetoken

One of the very many issues left off the screen as the politi-verse bickers over the world "terrorism":

Two US sailors arrested over Okinawa rape; anti-US feeling grows

Time to get out of there. Japan and South Korea are well able to defend themselves. As a student of history, I am not over-joyed at the prospect of a re-militarized Japan. Nevertheless, the Rape of Nanking is 75 years in the past, the Bataan Death March 70. We should never forget or minimize these things, but we should also recognize that Japanese democracy has been built block by block for over 60 years and is now mature enough to be trusted.

22 The Mongoose  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:33:53am

re: #8 Obdicut

You going to bother mentioning the manner in which you pulled the number out of your ass? 'cuz without methedology, it's kinda boring.

I'm projecting each state based on recent polls, weighted for certain factors like size, in combination with national polls. It's quasi-scientific in that it uses data rather than raw intuition or what I want to happen, but isn't a real statistical model by any means. I do it for fun.

Whereas a site like fivethirtyeight can make a truly scientific projection, I don't have that kind of time or statistical genius, so any number I come up with will always be a possible real outcome, since I'm doing it state by state. 538 uses a continuous model, so it will usually generate numbers that could never happen, but it's much more rigorous. For example, right now Mr. Silver has the race at 282.9 to 255.1 in his now-cast.

23 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:34:12am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Yeah, that's a real head-scratcher. We need a focus group and a poll to figure this out.

Is ‘Hang in there Obama’ noose sign racist?

Partly true -- Politifact

24 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:34:23am

re: #17 ggt

Ok, this is funny.

And, I'm staying On Topic.

I like this one.

25 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:34:32am

You aren't kidding that the web server is ancient.

Apache/2.0.63 Unix mod_ssl/2.0.63 OpenSSL/0.9.7a DAV/2 mod_auth_passthrough/2.1 mod_bwlimited/1.4 FrontPage/5.0.2.2635

Front Page support? I didn't know that still existed.

26 erik_t  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:34:47am

Things really, really sped up when we moved to the new post. Perhaps until the new server is installed, it could be arranged for an open discussion post or two through the day?

27 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:35:28am

re: #11 dragonfire1981

Beat me to it.

There was a lot of important ground covered in last night's debate. Immigration, Tax Policy, Equal treatment of women in the workplace, America's energy future, Education, Gun laws.

But despite all of that, the majority of discussion today is hair splitting over the words "terror" and "terrorism" and the context they were used in last month.

Have we really become a society of people who are afraid to admit it when they get things wrong?

There is no War on Women. The Military does not have a problem --all the women who enlist will be pregnant because they want to be raped--why else would they be there?

Yes, this country is still living in a John Wayne movie --never apologize, never show weakness.

28 Velvet Elvis  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:36:12am

re: #1 freetoken

One of the very many issues left off the screen as the politi-verse bickers over the world "terrorism":

Two US sailors arrested over Okinawa rape; anti-US feeling grows

Again? It seems like sailors rape somebody in Okinawa every five years or so.

29 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:38:16am

re: #26 erik_t

Things really, really sped up when we moved to the new post. Perhaps until the new server is installed, it could be arranged for an open discussion post or two through the day?

You're soaking in it.

30 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:39:25am

re: #25 Velvet Elvis

The new one is a duplicate of the DB server - 2.4GHz dual quad core w/HT, 12GB RAM, 2 1TB drives. It should solve this latency problem.

31 recusancy  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:39:38am

re: #6 ggt

Today's Fun Fact.

And how are you? I, sadly, missed the debate.

Should I worry?

Nope. The actual date he arrives is October 21, 2015. Every damned october someone photoshops that thing and says it's whatever day it is.

32 Sophist, Gingham Style  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:43:42am

After the performance last night, I'm hoping Obama really hammers Romney over his response to the Benghazi attack in the foreign policy debate. That was a profoundly craven and unpatriotic thing to do, and he needs to be called out on it.

33 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:44:01am

re: #31 recusancy

Nope. The actual date he arrives is October 21, 2015. Every damned october someone photoshops that thing and says it's whatever day it is.

Aren't the Cubs supposed to win the World Series that day?

34 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:45:22am

re: #31 recusancy

Nope. The actual date he arrives is October 21, 2015. Every damned october someone photoshops that thing and says it's whatever day it is.

That was really the lamest movie of the trilogy, and the one that had the stupidest plot point (shlepping around the unconscious girlfriend, why didn't they just leave her in the Delorean?). Also, where are all the hover boards we should all have by now?

35 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:46:40am

re: #32 Sophist, Gingham Style

After the performance last night, I'm hoping Obama really hammers Romney over his response to the Benghazi attack in the foreign policy debate. That was a profoundly craven and unpatriotic thing to do, and he needs to be called out on it.

Upding for the nic/avatar combo.

Oh, and the comment was good too.

36 The Mongoose  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:47:13am

I just saw the post for this thread on the front page and I'm wounded. Last night I called the debate a narrow win for Obama (after the polls came out) and got some noticeable push back...today Nate Silver says the same thing and gets a front-page link? I feel unloved (goes to sulk in corner). :P

37 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:49:19am

re: #34 Sheila Broflovski

That was really the lamest movie of the trilogy, and the one that had the stupidest plot point (shlepping around the unconscious girlfriend, why didn't they just leave her in the Delorean?). Also, where are all the hover boards we should all have by now?

screw hover boards --I want those nanos that repair joints.

38 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:51:26am

The most important point Silver makes about the post-debate polls:

How much will the debate move the head-to-head polls between Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama? Actually, the instant-reaction polls may not be very much help in answering that question. The relationship between the quick-reaction polls and their eventual effect on the horse-race polls has historically been very modest, and has sometimes even run in the opposite direction of what the initial polls suggested. Debates sometimes look different in the rear-view mirror, depending on news media coverage, YouTube and cable news highlights, word of mouth, and subsequent developments on the campaign trail.

39 The Mongoose  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:52:27am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

The most important point Silver makes about the post-debate polls:

Absolutely right. Big wins can fizzle, small wins can explode. Even losses can turn into wins given the right spin in the days after.

40 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:54:37am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

Unwinding that verbiage: The post-debate spin may have as great or greater effect on the race than the debate itself so the initial read by exit polls from the debate don't always track with the overall polling.

41 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:56:16am

re: #1 freetoken

One of the very many issues left off the screen as the politi-verse bickers over the world "terrorism":

Two US sailors arrested over Okinawa rape; anti-US feeling grows

But was it legitimate or not?

//

42 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 10:58:45am

Sheriff Bart [updated]: Where are the white women women's binders at?

43 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:01:52am

must watch

44 Lidane  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:04:12am
45 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:06:06am

I hate latency. Latency is my nemesis.

46 Destro  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:08:03am

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

Time to get out of there. Japan and South Korea are well able to defend themselves. As a student of history, I am not over-joyed at the prospect of a re-militarized Japan. Nevertheless, the Rape of Nanking is 75 years in the past, the Bataan Death March 70. We should never forget or minimize these things, but we should also recognize that Japanese democracy has been built block by block for over 60 years and is now mature enough to be trusted.

American forces are not in Japan and Korea to develop democracy. But I agree - close overseas bases down.

47 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:10:11am

Why Mitt Romney can never be president.

Losing one's temper in a debate is not a sign of strength or control.

Now I know why Ann Romney said she was worried about Mitt's "mental well-being" if he won the election.

48 Destro  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:10:50am

re: #28 Velvet Elvis

Again? It seems like sailors rape somebody in Okinawa every five years or so.

They hate us for our freedoms.......

49 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:11:26am

Everbody, especially on the Right, remembers the 1980 debates, where Reagan demolished Carter with a couple of snappy catchphrases and sealed the contest. They want to relive that so bad that they are willing to deceive themselves over what really happened: a weak showing for Obama first time out, a stronger showing the second round.

50 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:13:11am

The most pointless & nearly relevance free argument last night was about gas prices. Here, in some small part is why.

51 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:13:38am

re: #47 darthstar

Tweetable:

52 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:14:06am

re: #31 recusancy

Nope. The actual date he arrives is October 21, 2015. Every damned october someone photoshops that thing and says it's whatever day it is.

Damn, and I thought it was soo cool!

53 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:15:46am

BTW, Charles...I love, love, LOVE the ability to embed tweets with images expanded. It forces people who won't click on a link to see images like the one I posted above.

54 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:17:04am

I'm still trying to figure-out what percent of American's don't need a paycheck. Those that have enough to live the rest of their lives without any outside income --from a job, SS or other government program. That would be my demarkation line for the 1%. Everyone else is labor.

I think there would be some suprised faces if we could pin down that percentage.

55 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:17:34am
56 erik_t  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:18:11am

re: #28 Velvet Elvis

Again? It seems like sailors rape somebody in Okinawa every five years or so.

There are something like 25,000 US military personnel in Okinawa. Assuming they represented a rape rate equal to that of the United States as a whole, we would expect something like five or six rapes per year.

They're not a representative sample of the United States population, of course, but it's a worthwhile number to keep in mind.

57 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:20:49am

re: #54 ggt

I'm still trying to figure-out what percent of American's don't need a paycheck. Those that have enough to live the rest of their lives without any outside income --from a job, SS or other government program. That would be my demarkation line for the 1%. Everyone else is labor.

I think there would be some suprised faces if we could pin down that percentage.

Define need.

58 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:22:24am

Wow...who knew we hit the hat trick last night (when you add in the Tigers beating the Yankees)...

59 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:23:55am

So, has anyone made sense of Mitt Romney's answer to the question on gun control yet? He rambled on about girls having babies out of wedlock and I'm not sure how that is relevant to automatic weapons.

60 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:25:19am

[Link: www.aisfor.org...]


Cool site.

61 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:25:34am

PJ Media article's subtitle...

Gluttonous, slothful, irresponsible and entitled: Today's "poor" are the "rich" Jesus warned us about.

Another "back in Jesus's day the poor really were poor (and knew their place), while todays poor have food, clothes, and refrigerators (and a cell phone of course) screed.

One line in particular caught my attention...

Back when “living” conditions in Victorian London were unspeakably appalling, Jack the Ripper was practically doing those women a favor…

I suppose if you can think like that then the rest of the article might just seem reasonable to you. *sigh*

62 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:25:49am

re: #59 darthstar

So, has anyone made sense of Mitt Romney's answer to the question on gun control yet? He rambled on about girls having babies out of wedlock and I'm not sure how that is relevant to automatic weapons.

Because, you know, nobody ever died from not having health insurance, but people die all the time because their mothers aren't married.//

63 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:27:37am

re: #59 darthstar

So, has anyone made sense of Mitt Romney's answer to the question on gun control yet? He rambled on about girls having babies out of wedlock and I'm not sure how that is relevant to automatic weapons.

Mitt is hoping you missed that. He can't even make sense out if it.

64 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:28:04am

Bryan Fischer Explains Why America Exists

The sensation you are feeling is the Derpening.

65 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:29:49am

re: #61 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

PJ Media article's subtitle...

Gluttonous, slothful, irresponsible and entitled: Today's "poor" are the "rich" Jesus warned us about.

Another "back in Jesus's day the poor really were poor (and knew their place), while todays poor have food, clothes, and refrigerators (and a cell phone of course) screed.

One line in particular caught my attention...

I suppose if you can think like that then the rest of the article might just seem reasonable to you. *sigh*

That's rich considering PJ Media supports a candidate who needed a tax write off for his dancing horses. But yeah the poor are gluttonous, slothful, irresponsible, and entitled.

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:30:53am

re: #55 Gus

[Embedded content]

so on my fb

67 Big Joe  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:31:44am

re: #63 efuseakay

Mitt is hoping you missed that. He can't even make sense out if it.

That's probably why Fox News erased his answer from the pages of time.

68 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:33:34am
69 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:33:47am

re: #59 darthstar

So, has anyone made sense of Mitt Romney's answer to the question on gun control yet? He rambled on about girls having babies out of wedlock and I'm not sure how that is relevant to automatic weapons.

I guess boys having nothing to do with these babies? The man is living in another reality.

Wedlock? Really? Because, IIRC, back in the 70's we learned that getting married because of pregnancy was a really bad idea. Putting to people together who didn't want to be married and having an unwanted child just doesn't work out that well.

70 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:35:03am

re: #57 kirkspencer

Define need.

Meaning, they can live off their pile of cash, it's interest, or investment proceeds. Indpendently wealthy.

71 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:40:38am

re: #63 efuseakay

Mitt is hoping you missed that. He can't even make sense out if it.

Fox News removed it from the debate transcript altogether, I heard.

72 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:43:47am
73 Lidane  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:43:59am

Sorry to go OT, but I am absolutely livid right now.

I start work next Tuesday. I need to move across town to do it. I'd found a sublet that would work for me -- it was in my price range, and the lease owner was willing to let me move in and start work and get a couple of paychecks under my belt before we would switch the lease over to me. We talked on the phone and decided this on Saturday.

Today she tells me that she wants me to go through the lease application process instead, AFTER I've already started packing and getting ready to move, and after getting money from my family to help me pay for the deposit and the first month's rent that we'd already agreed on.

With my student loan debts, getting through the application process is pretty much a lost cause. Barring a miracle, this means I'll be living in some shitty motel with weekly rates until I can get paid and get in somewhere that won't crucify me for having those debts. ARGH.

74 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:45:37am

re: #73 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but I am absolutely livid right now.

I start work next Tuesday. I need to move across town to do it. I'd found a sublet that would work for me -- it was in my price range, and the lease owner was willing to let me move in and start work and get a couple of paychecks under my belt before we would switch the lease over to me. We talked on the phone and decided this on Saturday.

Today she tells me that she wants me to go through the lease application process instead, AFTER I've already started packing and getting ready to move, and after getting money from my family to help me pay for the deposit and the first month's rent that we'd already agreed on.

With my student loan debts, getting through the application process is pretty much a lost cause. Barring a miracle, this means I'll be living in some shitty motel with weekly rates until I can get paid and get in somewhere that won't crucify me for having those debts. ARGH.

(((((Lidane)))))

Congrats on the job!

75 The Mongoose  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:50:41am

re: #73 Lidane

Sorry to go OT, but I am absolutely livid right now.

I start work next Tuesday. I need to move across town to do it. I'd found a sublet that would work for me -- it was in my price range, and the lease owner was willing to let me move in and start work and get a couple of paychecks under my belt before we would switch the lease over to me. We talked on the phone and decided this on Saturday.

Today she tells me that she wants me to go through the lease application process instead, AFTER I've already started packing and getting ready to move, and after getting money from my family to help me pay for the deposit and the first month's rent that we'd already agreed on.

With my student loan debts, getting through the application process is pretty much a lost cause. Barring a miracle, this means I'll be living in some shitty motel with weekly rates until I can get paid and get in somewhere that won't crucify me for having those debts. ARGH.

Hang in there. There's sometimes more room for compromise with these things than there seems at first. Landlords hate having empty units...every week is lost revenue they can never recover. Hope you can make a deal or find a better alternative. Good luck!

76 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 2:07:56pm

@Gus #55

Love that binder.
Interesting that even the binder story turns out to be a lie. Sigh.


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