Nate Silver on the Massive ‘Gender Gap’

Women can tell who’s really on their side
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Nobody is as wonkish about polls as Nate Silver, and today he has an interesting look at what’s turning out be an historic ‘Gender Gap’.

If only women voted, President Obama would be on track for a landslide re-election, equaling or exceeding his margin of victory over John McCain in 2008. Mr. Obama would be an overwhelming favorite in Ohio, Florida, Virginia and most every other place that is conventionally considered a swing state. The only question would be whether he could forge ahead into traditionally red states, like Georgia, Montana and Arizona.

If only men voted, Mr. Obama would be biding his time until a crushing defeat at the hands of Mitt Romney, who might win by a similar margin to the one Ronald Reagan realized over Jimmy Carter in 1980. Only California, Illinois, Hawaii and a few states in the Northeast could be considered safely Democratic. Every other state would lean red, or would at least be a toss-up.

Although polls disagree on the exact magnitude of the gender gap (and a couple of recent ones seemed to show Mitt Romney eliminating the president’s advantage with women voters), the consensus of surveys points to a large one this year — rivaling the biggest from past elections.

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360 comments
1 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:11:55pm

Any comment, Ms Coulter?

2 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:13:44pm

Why do women hate Baby Jesus?
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3 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:14:54pm
But after the Roe v. Wade decision in 1973, reproductive rights became a greater focus in presidential elections — particularly under Ronald Reagan in 1980, who was more willing to campaign on the issue of abortion than most of his predecessors. The gender gap jumped to 17 points that year, with men much more likely to vote for Mr. Reagan.

Thanks again for everything, you fucking asshole.

4 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:15:28pm

I have such a hard time believing that women are turning to Romney. I cannot fathom that.

I read that seniors are going to Romney, too. Talk about slitting ones own throat.

What is the saddest is that if all their lying works, that's it for all future elections. No one will ever tell the truth. No one holds them accountable. The media is not just silent but complicit.

5 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:16:01pm

So the polls show a major narrowing of the gap, but Nate Silver pronounces it 'historic'. One might say the fix is in and the meme set.

6 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:17:03pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

So the polls show a major narrowing of the gap, but Nate Silver pronounces it 'historic'. One might say the fix is in and the meme set.

You do realize it can be both, right?

...Right?

7 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:17:27pm

O/T but this is so full of win

Youtube Video
8 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:18:05pm

UNSKEWED WOMEN

9 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:18:34pm

Well we know why sometimes it slips out of right wing pundits' mouths that they don't like women having suffrage.

10 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:18:40pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

So the polls show a major narrowing of the gap, but Nate Silver pronounces it 'historic'. One might say the fix is in and the meme set.

If there is a fix in anywhere it is anti-voting laws, voter caging, voter registration illegalities and electronic voting machine companies owned in part by Romney's son - all by the GOP. The PA GOP has stated that the fix is in. "Voter ID. Done."

11 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:21:26pm

re: #10 Joanne (JustJay)

If there is a fix in anywhere it is anti-voting laws, voter caging, voter registration illegalities and electronic voting machine companies owned in part by Romney's son - all by the GOP. The PA GOP has stated that the fix is in. "Voter ID. Done."

So the fact that one of mitt's sons is part owner of a company that makes electronic voting machines is evidence of a conspiracy to steal the election?

12 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:22:00pm

So then between Women, AA, and Hispanics grouped together Obama should be OK. or at least it seems that way to me.

13 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:22:38pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

So the polls show a major narrowing of the gap, but Nate Silver pronounces it 'historic'. One might say the fix is in and the meme set.

No. A few outlier polls show the gap narrowing. The majority of polls do NOT show this.

14 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:23:08pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

So the polls show a major narrowing of the gap, but Nate Silver pronounces it 'historic'. One might say the fix is in and the meme set.

It makes sense when you look at the whole article.

Although polls disagree on the exact magnitude of the gender gap (and a couple of recent ones seemed to show Mitt Romney eliminating the president’s advantage with women voters), the consensus of surveys points to a large one this year — rivaling the biggest from past elections.
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The biggest gender gap to date in the exit polls came in 2000, when Al Gore won by 11 points among women, but George W. Bush won by 9 points among men — a 20-point difference. The numbers this year look very close to that.

So basically, the gender gap may not help Obama.

15 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:25:18pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

So the polls show a major narrowing of the gap, but Nate Silver pronounces it 'historic'. One might say the fix is in and the meme set.

You're not seriously suggesting that Nate Silver is part of a liberal conspiracy to put in "the fix," are you?

16 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:25:51pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

So the fact that one of mitt's sons is part owner of a company that makes electronic voting machines is evidence of a conspiracy to steal the election?

Ya have to admit it doesn't look good.

17 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:25:55pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

You're not seriously suggesting that Nate Silver is part of a liberal conspiracy to put in "the fix," are you?

No, he's just asking questions.

This is the crowd he rolls with.

18 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:26:05pm

The boilerplate couter-argument from the Romney camp is "What women really care about are jobs"

Which is true to a great extent. But they have this tendency to care for jobs that pay equally for equal work and jobs that offer basic benefits, like health care, including contraception.

19 gwangung  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:26:57pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

So the fact that one of mitt's sons is part owner of a company that makes electronic voting machines is evidence of a conspiracy to steal the election?

Looks kinda unseemly.

An ethical person would probably avoid doing this.

20 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:28:00pm

re: #16 Tigger2

Ya have to admit it doesn't look good.

Imagine, if you will, if Obama's child/mother/cousin "invested" in a voting machine company a year prior to an election. A company whose every employee has donated more to the Romney campaign than employees at Bain Capital. It would be on Fox 24/7. Drudge and Rush would be on it every day until election day. It would be on every right wing blog.

Doesn't look good is an understatement.

21 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:28:09pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

So basically, the gender gap may not help Obama.

What would it even mean for a gender gap to help or hurt a candidate? It can correctly be stated that it's not a universally positive sign for Obama for such a gap to exist, but the implied causality in your phrasing seems unfounded.

22 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:28:10pm

re: #19 gwangung

Looks kinda unseemly.

An ethical person would probably avoid doing this.

whoever accused the Romneys of being ethical?

23 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:28:19pm

re: #18 AK-47%

The boilerplate couter-argument from the Romney camp is "What women really care about are jobs"

Which is true to a great extent. But they have this tendency to care for jobs that pay equally for equal work and jobs that offer basic benefits, like health care, including contraception.

I care about jobs, sure, but first and foremost, I care about MY rights and the rights of my daughters and every other woman in this country. On top of that, I care about the rights of my LGBT friends. I think rights are more important than jobs.

24 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:29:12pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

You're not seriously suggesting that Nate Silver is part of a liberal conspiracy to put in "the fix," are you?

Nope. Just that he may already have a set frame of reference regard how he sees things going. I am not accusing him of acting in collusion with anyone for any unethical purpose.

25 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:29:40pm

re: #18 AK-47%

The boilerplate counter-argument from the Romney camp is "What women really care about are jobs"

This would be a stronger counter-argument if Romney's campaign had a jobs plan worthy of the name.

Instead it's Don't look at our failings here, look at our vaguely disguised failings over there!

Heck of a campaign there, Willard.

26 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:30:14pm

re: #20 Joanne (JustJay)

Imagine, if you will, if Obama's child/mother/cousin "invested" in a voting machine company a year prior to an election. A company whose every employee has donated more to the Romney campaign than employees at Bain Capital. It would be on Fox 24/7. Drudge and Rush would be on it every day until election day. It would be on every right wing blog.

Doesn't look good is an understatement.

You have to remember I was talking to Dark, I was taking baby steps lol

27 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:30:47pm

May Nate's intuition prove accurate.

28 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:31:25pm

Mitt Romney’s Three Big Second Term Promises

Mitt Romney hasn’t shied away from making big promises about his potential presidency. On issues like employment, the budget, and energy, Romney’s appealed to voters by vowing major improvement.

But many of these promises come with an asterisk.

Specifically, he and his campaign concede they will take two full terms to accomplish, which leaves him off the hook if he makes little progress in his first four years.

29 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:31:28pm

re: #23 Sionainn

I care about jobs, sure, but first and foremost, I care about MY rights and the rights of my daughters and every other woman in this country. On top of that, I care about the rights of my LGBT friends. I think rights are more important than jobs.

Exactly. I remember the days of back-alley abortions and coat hangers. Of women dying so that they wouldn't have to carry a pregnancy they did not want.

Now, the GOP wants limited birth control and no abortion. WTF do they think is going to happen?

Goddamned right I care about our rights. Even though I am not of child-bearing age any longer, no woman should EVER have to die because they are considered a whore for having sex, which is the entire GOP's premise on the contraception issue.

30 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:32:16pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

So the polls show a major narrowing of the gap, but Nate Silver pronounces it 'historic'. One might say the fix is in and the meme set.

Fix? There's no fix, only a couple polls, outliers, show any narrowing, the rest show it to be historically high. You're cherry picking to present the idea of fraud and should be ashamed of yourself.

Women dislike Romney for incredibly valid reasons, he opposes their established current reproductive freedoms and lies to them transparently about it. He lied blatantly about his support of the Blunt-Rubio Amendment. When asked about pay equality he refused to answer the question and presented women as fundamentally more unreliable and undependable in the workplace than men, requiring more flexible schedules so they can take care of the kids and fix dinner.

The question isn't why women tend to dislike Romney, but why men aren't right there with them.

31 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:32:22pm

re: #4 Joanne (JustJay)

I have such a hard time believing that women are turning to Romney. I cannot fathom that.

I read that seniors are going to Romney, too. Talk about slitting ones own throat.

[snip]

The current elderly won't be affected, that has already been made clear. The Rmoney admin won't want to apply the 'new' law to them because the wail would be epic and the whole idea would be shot down in a heartbeat. They have to do it the slimy, sneaky way. Pass it now to take effect later, then once we are getting screwed by it later it is a done deal.

32 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:32:27pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Nope. Just that he may already have a set frame of reference regard how he sees things going. I am not accusing him of acting in collusion with anyone for any unethical purpose.

Yeaaaahhh....

33 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:32:31pm

re: #26 Tigger2

You have to remember I was talking to Dark, I was taking baby steps lol

You're a better person than I. I find myself eye-rolling and laughing mostly.

34 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:32:52pm

re: #28 Kragar

Mitt Romney’s Three Big Second Term Promises

Remember, a president can't be held accountable for the first 6-12 months of his presidency, unless he's a Democrat.

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35 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:33:50pm

re: #30 goddamnedfrank

Fix? There's no fix, only a couple polls, outliers, show any narrowing, the rest show it to be historically high. You're cherry picking to present the idea of fraud and should be ashamed of yourself.

Women dislike Romney for incredibly valid reasons, he opposes their established current reproductive freedoms and lies to them transparently about it. He lied blatantly about his support of the Blunt-Rubio Amendment. When asked about pay equality he refused to answer the question and presented women as fundamentally more unreliable and undependable in the workplace than men, requiring more flexible schedules so they can take care of the kids and fix dinner.

The question isn't why women tend to dislike Romney, but why men aren't right there with them.

In a word? Ni-CLANG!

36 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:34:06pm

re: #23 Sionainn

I think rights are more important than jobs.

Which is why we will never be able to compete with China.

37 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:34:49pm

re: #31 Eventual Carrion

The current elderly won't be affected, that has already been made clear. The Rmoney admin won't want to apply the 'new' law to them because the wail would be epic and the whole idea would be shot down in a heartbeat. They have to do it the slimy, sneaky way. Pass it now to take effect later, then once we are getting screwed by it later it is a done deal.

Except current seniors will be affected. They will re-open the donut hole which will cost seniors several thousand dollars. I am 53, so I am totally fucked. They will do away with MY Medicare and totally fuck me on Social Security. All for the good of each program.

Seniors are usually pretty smart. This lying is taking its toll. And it is so fucked up that the media is allowing it.

38 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:35:30pm

re: #36 AK-47%

Which is why we will never be able to compete with China.

Meh. China's economy isn't exactly a rampaging bull at the moment.

39 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:35:42pm

Colbert's super PAC may get last laugh

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But Americans for a Better Tomorrow, Tomorrow, the committee Colbert created that may raise and spend unlimited amounts of money to promote or attack political candidates, was sitting on more than $776,000 going into October, a new filing with the Federal Election Commission indicates.

40 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:35:44pm

re: #36 AK-47%

Which is why we will never be able to compete with China.

We can't compete with China because we wont work for a dollar a day.

41 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:36:16pm

re: #38 erik_t

Meh. China's economy isn't exactly a rampaging bull at the moment.

If the econo wonks I've been listening to are any indication, China's headed for a major crash of its own.

42 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:36:47pm

re: #38 erik_t

Meh. China's economy isn't exactly a rampaging bull at the moment.

The Japanese will own the entire United States by the end of the 80s.

43 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:37:42pm

re: #21 erik_t

What would it even mean for a gender gap to help or hurt a candidate? It can correctly be stated that it's not a universally positive sign for Obama for such a gap to exist, but the implied causality in your phrasing seems unfounded.

Check out the article. The biggest gender gap was women for Al Gore. He lost.

44 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:38:03pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

If the econo wonks I've been listening to are any indication, China's headed for a major crash of its own.

Built on sand in earthquake territory.

45 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:38:29pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

If the econo wonks I've been listening to are any indication, China's headed for a major crash of its own.

Yeah and the fact their government requires BY LAW that their GDP be at a certain level is no doubt partly to blame.

46 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:38:31pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Check out the article. The biggest gender gap was women for Al Gore. He lost.

And Willard looks set to repeat his performance, narrowly winning the popular vote but losing the electoral vote.

47 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:38:59pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Check out the article. The biggest gender gap was women for Al Gore. He lost.

Um. Did you not read your post, not read my post, or do you not understand the difference between correlation and causation?

48 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:40:25pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Check out the article. The biggest gender gap was women for Al Gore. He lost.

Was the AA and Hispanics as big of a factor in that election as much as they are now, I don't think so.

49 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:42:55pm

I'm not sure how I'd take Obama winning the EV, but losing the PV. I know the wingnuts will be clenching their jaws hard enough to bite through steel plates and will be declaring it "proof" of voter fraud, but how will the rest of the voters view it?

50 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:43:07pm

BBL

51 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:45:30pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

I'm not sure how I'd take Obama winning the EV, but losing the PV. I know the wingnuts will be clenching their jaws hard enough to bite through steel plates and will be declaring it "proof" of voter fraud, but how will the rest of the voters view it?

Getting even. ;-)

52 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:46:11pm

I've mentioned this a few times before, but the male gender gap is massively skewed by the southern vote. I think the breakdown nationally is something like 52% Romney, 47% Obama, but down South those numbers are like 80% to 20%.

53 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:46:27pm

re: #36 AK-47%

Which is why we will never be able to compete with China.

Because women refuse to be treated as second-class citizens?

54 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:47:20pm

re: #19 gwangung

Looks kinda unseemly.

An ethical person would probably avoid doing this.

You know if the presidents brother cleaned himself up and took ownership or controlling interest in a voting machine company that had contracts to many state election departments, not a word would be spoken about it.

55 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:47:22pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Check out the article. The biggest gender gap was women for Al Gore. He lost.

Al Gore won the popular vote and Obama has a fundamentally much stronger EC position in states that Gore lost, like OH, NC, NH, CO, and VA, though he will give up Indiana. Demographic have changed considerably since 2000.

56 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:47:23pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

I'm not sure how I'd take Obama winning the EV, but losing the PV. I know the wingnuts will be clenching their jaws hard enough to bite through steel plates and will be declaring it "proof" of voter fraud, but how will the rest of the voters view it?

The way I see it the same people that would be upset by that are the same people that will be upset if Obama has a landslide win.

57 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:47:27pm

re: #51 Sionainn

Getting even. ;-)

Thing is, I'm not so sure of that. My inner contrarian is getting convinced that anything less than a clear victory, PV and EV, for Obama is gonna raise the question of whether it's a nod for a second chance or simple indecision on the part of the voters. The running theme for this election seems to have been that nobody really thinks Obama deserves a second chance, but have not been sold on Romney as an alternative.

58 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:47:47pm

Any sort of close outcome will be a disaster for the already poisoned political climate here, creis of "voter fraud/electoral fraud" will not go away.

And if Obama manages to win the Electoral College without winning the popular vote, then 2000 will be quickly forgotten and it will start looking like 1860 again, with swathers of voters refusing to acknolwdge the authority of the Presidency.

59 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:48:40pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Thing is, I'm not so sure of that. My inner contrarian is getting convinced that anything less than a clear victory, PV and EV, for Obama is gonna raise the question of whether it's a nod for a second chance or simple indecision on the part of the voters. The running theme for this election seems to have been that nobody really thinks Obama deserves a second chance, but have not been sold on Romney as an alternative.

Yeah, but then again Obama doesn't have to worry about running for a second term. Maybe the gloves will come off.

60 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:48:58pm

re: #53 Sionainn

Because women refuse to be treated as second-class citizens?

second-class citizenship would be a step up for many Chinese workders, especially those still stuck doing casual day labor...

61 gwangung  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:49:02pm

re: #58 AK-47%

Any sort of close outcome will be a disaster for the already poisoned political climate here, creis of "voter fraud/electoral fraud" will not go away.

And if Obama manages to win the Electoral College without winning the popular vote, then 2000 will be quickly forgotten and it will start looking like 1860 again, with swathers of voters refusing to acknolwdge the autority of the Presidency.

Um, is that any change from right now?

62 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:49:15pm

re: #58 AK-47%

Any sort of close outcome will be a disaster for the already poisoned political climate here, creis of "voter fraud/electoral fraud" will not go away.

And if Obama manages to win the Electoral College without winning the popular vote, then 2000 will be quickly forgotten and it will start looking like 1860 again, with swathers of voters refusing to acknolwdge the autority of the Presidency.

Oh, hell, we already have that.

63 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:49:56pm

re: #60 AK-47%

second-class citizenship would be a step up for many Chinese workders, especially those still stuck doing casual day labor...

Um, I guess you've lost me. What do my rights as an American citizen under the U.S. Constitution have to do with China?

64 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:49:57pm

re: #20 Joanne (JustJay)

Imagine, if you will, if Obama's child/mother/cousin "invested" in a voting machine company a year prior to an election. A company whose every employee has donated more to the Romney campaign than employees at Bain Capital. It would be on Fox 24/7. Drudge and Rush would be on it every day until election day. It would be on every right wing blog.

Doesn't look good is an understatement.

GMTA

65 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:50:02pm

re: #58 AK-47%

with swaths of voters refusing to acknowledge the authority of the Presidency.

Oh, so like today.

66 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:50:25pm

re: #61 gwangung

Um, is that any change from right now?

It will get even more vociferous and vocal, expect to see more armed militias and "civil disobedience" on a much larger scale.

67 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:51:14pm

re: #61 gwangung

Um, is that any change from right now?

Think the change will go from simple grumbling to outright rebellion. There's plenty of crazies who are convinced that the system is rigged and a close election that results in an electoral victory but not a popular one will very likely be the spark that ignites the powder keg.

68 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:51:46pm

re: #66 AK-47%

It will get even more vociferous and vocal, expect to see more armed militias and "civil disobedience" on a much larger scale.

They can bring it on. I'm not cowering from those assholes.

69 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:52:24pm

re: #66 AK-47%

It will get even more vociferous and vocal, expect to see more armed militias and "civil disobedience" on a much larger scale.

Maybe it needs to get that bad before law enforcement does anything about those hate groups.

70 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:52:32pm

I've gone back and corrected the misspellings in my comment #58, will those who quoted it please go back and fix it so as not to make me look illiterertte

71 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:53:14pm

re: #70 AK-47%

I've gone back and corrected the misspellings in my comment '58, will those who quoted it please go back and fix it so as not to make me look illiterertte

;-) Couldn't resist.

72 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:53:48pm

re: #68 Sionainn

They can bring it on. I'm not cowering from those assholes.

None of us are cowering before these pathetic pricks, but they would become an even bigger pain in the ass and do even more to poison the already dismal culture of political discourse in this country.

Nobody wants that except them.

73 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:54:13pm

re: #70 AK-47%

I've gone back and corrected the misspellings in my comment '58, will those who quoted it please go back and fix it so as not to make me look illiterertte

Take another look... :)

74 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:54:36pm

re: #72 AK-47%

None of us are cowering before these pathetic pricks, but they would become an even bigger pain in the ass and do even more to poison the already dismal culture of political discourse in this country.

Nobody wants that except them.

So, what would you have us do? Not vote for Obama because we don't dare offend the sensibilities of a bunch of racists?

75 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:54:41pm

re: #71 Sionainn

;-) Couldn't resist.

neither could I, silly...

76 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:54:59pm

'Religious Freedom' Rallies Barely Conceal Anti-Obama Activism

Opponents of contraception access this weekend held “religious freedom” demonstrations across the country to protest the Obama administration’s new rules ensuring contraception coverage in health insurance plans. In one of the rallies last month in Washington D.C. in front of the White House, speakers including Frank Pavone of Priests for Life, Patrick Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition and Lila Rose of Live Action denounced the Obama administration for their purportedly “tyrannical” insurance mandate.

The keynote speakers at the White House rally was none other than Father Marcel Guarnizo, whose claim to fame is denying a lesbian parishioner communion at her mother’s funeral and refused to attend the burial ceremony. Fr. Guarnizo said that pro-choice and pro-gay equality politicians are “unfit to rule” and are “not worthy of a democratic vote.” He went on to maintain that American democracy is on the brink of collapse and told attendees to “vote this man out of office in November.”

77 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:55:24pm

re: #70 AK-47%

I've gone back and corrected the misspellings in my comment #58, will those who quoted it please go back and fix it so as not to make me look illiterertte

Maybe for a cookie.

78 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:55:33pm

re: #69 Tigger2

Maybe it needs to get that bad before law enforcement does anything about those hate groups.

The danger is that law enforcement in some jurisdictions will once again become these groups. Check out the Oathkeepers effort.

79 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:55:52pm

Because you people deserve it; the Duggar family singing a song for Todd Akin

Youtube Video

PROTIP: See those Israeli flags? That how you know they really support Jews.

80 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:56:02pm

re: #74 Sionainn

So, what would you have us do? Not vote for Obama because we don't dare offend the sensibilities of a bunch of racists?

Don't think there's any option that makes many of them feel better. Most of them hate Romney as much as they hate Obama. But that's because they're not focused on the guy in the White House so much as Congress, where they view the "will of the people" being done. Romney's in the White House as a rubber stamp, not a real leader.

81 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:56:10pm

re: #74 Sionainn

So, what would you have us do? Not vote for Obama because we don't dare offend the sensibilities of a bunch of racists?

I am just saying that a closely contested or unclear outcome would make the 2000 Florida debacle look like a Tupperware Party.

82 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:56:50pm

re: #58 AK-47%

Any sort of close outcome will be a disaster for the already poisoned political climate here, creis of "voter fraud/electoral fraud" will not go away.

And if Obama manages to win the Electoral College without winning the popular vote, then 2000 will be quickly forgotten and it will start looking like 1860 again, with swathers of voters refusing to acknolwdge the authority of the Presidency.

Sometimes the fingers outpace the brain. Sometimes the brain leaves the fingers to do their own thing.

83 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:56:56pm

re: #79 dragonath

Because you people deserve it; the Duggar family singing a song for Todd Akin

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PROTIP: See those Israeli flags? That how you know they really support Jews.

"We support your existence so you can be destroyed according to our whacked out prophecy."

84 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:57:56pm

re: #19 gwangung

Looks kinda unseemly.

An ethical person would probably avoid doing this.

Nobody ever accused Mitt Romney or his sons of being ethical!

85 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:58:43pm
86 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:00:11pm

re: #82 Gangnam Style

Sometimes the fingers outpace the brain. Sometimes the brain leaves the fingers to do their own thing.

not good at multitasking, no...

87 leftynyc  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:00:37pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

So the polls show a major narrowing of the gap, but Nate Silver pronounces it 'historic'. One might say the fix is in and the meme set.

Paranoia doesn't really suit you.

88 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:00:47pm

re: #85 darthstar

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Let's unskew that.

Duckworth - 0.0%
Walsh - 97%
Ron Paul - 420%

89 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:01:28pm

re: #83 Kragar

"We support your existence so you can be destroyed according to our whacked out prophecy."

Funny how it wasn't so long ago that conservative evangelicals wouldn't even think of voting for a Jew for office because "Jew don't accept the lord Jesus Christ as are savior." It was a lot worse than not voting for a Jew. The voting part I learned from watching the Lee Atwater documentary and covered in part here.

But of all the things of which he has been accused, he says, the one that makes him the maddest concerns the charge of anti-Semitism in the 1978 Congressional victory by the current Governor of South Carolina, Carroll A. Campbell Jr., over Max Heller, the former Mayor of Greenville and a Jewish refugee from Austria who had fled the Nazis.

Atwater's accusers claim that as an informal adviser to Campbell, he passed secret polling information to Don Sprouse, a third-party candidate, who then used the information to undermine Heller's campaign. Political analyst Alan Baron has revealed that Campbell's pollster in 1978, Arthur J. Finkelstein, of Irvington, N.Y., told him that his data showed South Carolina voters would reject ''a foreign-born Jew who did not believe in Jesus Christ as the savior.'' Marvin Chernoff, a Democratic consultant in Columbia, claims that Atwater specifically told him of passing Finkelstein's secret poll to Sprouse.

Atwater denies all of it. Finkelstein and all of the Campbell campaign staffers contacted also deny the accusations. But Campbell's campaign manager has since admitted to a late-night meeting with Sprouse representatives in a Greenville parking lot before the election, and the Finkelstein poll released by Campbell did ask voters to compare how they would feel about a race between a ''Jewish immigrant'' and a ''native South Carolinian.''

90 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:02:12pm

Well, I'd like to tell a story in my early life. I look back and I still get embarrassed to this day. I've never told this here before and for good reason.
When i was moved from one foster home to another, My case worker and I took a train from Central Valley to Richmond, Ca. then a Bus up to Napa Valley. On the train I saw my first Black man. I screamed and hid on the train till they finally found me.. Terrified and shaking under a seat. I still feel bad for that man. It turns out my mother went to high school with a very famous NFL player and he would come by and play basketball with the awkward white kid. He inspired me and supported my dreams. He lifted me up when I didn't make the Temple BB team. I was crushed. But he and my folks supported my dreams..

91 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:02:16pm

re: #87 leftynyc

Paranoia doesn't really suit you.

Definitely not something you want to wear to an interview.

92 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:02:59pm

re: #85 darthstar

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(Cues up the Jovi)

'Cause I'm going down in a blaze of glory

93 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:03:24pm
94 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:04:24pm

re: #92 Kragar

(Cues up the Jovi)

'Cause I'm going down in a blaze of glory

I think he needs a proper Joe Walsh song, "Life's Been Good to Me SO FAR!

95 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:05:37pm

re: #83 Kragar

Never understood that mentality, but pretty much sums it up

96 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:06:14pm

re: #89 Gus

Why Teddy Roosevelt was fucking awesome:

Roosevelt generally judged men and women by their character, or on more than one occasion by their politics, but not on their race or religion. As police commissioner, he opened the department to Jews. One Jewish officer, Otto Raphael, said the traditional prayer for the dead over Roosevelt's body the night before he was buried.

One of the favorite stories of TR and Jews comes from his time as a Police Commisioner of New York City. A German anti-semitic preacher planned to give speeches in New York "denouncing" Jews. The preacher expected protection from the police department and that is where Roosevelt came in.

Many Jews were alarmed and/or outraged and asked Roosevelt to prevent the speeches. "Of course I told them I could not - that the right of free speech must be maintained unless he incited them to riot." But, "On thinking it over, however it occurred to me that there was one way in which I could undo most of the mischief he was trying to do."

Cleverly, TR put a Jewish Police Sergeant in charge of the preachers protection, along with forty Jewish Policemen and the fanatical preacher looked absolutely ridiculous.

97 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:06:33pm

re: #95 DisturbedEma

Never understood that mentality, but pretty much sums it up

Comes from clinging to a close, literal interpretation of the Scriptures while remaining clueless of the spirit behind them.

98 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:07:11pm

re: #94 AK-47%

I think he needs a proper Joe Walsh song, "Life's Been Good to Me SO FAR!

Walsh's death rattles will be a source of enjoyment for the next 2 weeks.

99 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:07:55pm

re: #98 Kragar

Walsh's death rattles will be a source of enjoyment for the next 2 weeks.

and his pathetic whining will be good for a week or so afterwards, too...

100 alpuz  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:08:03pm

Voted today. First day of Wisconsin early voting and turnout locally was high.
Line out the building at the 8:30 opening.

I also found out one of my co-workers 'knows' Obama's a Muslim. She's
been doing thorough research and has proof. Ah, interwebs.. you make
my workday so interesting.

101 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:08:22pm

re: #40 Tigger2

We can't compete with China because we wont woke for a dollar a day.

GOP's wet dream: American worker's racing to the bottom of the pay scale and the added benefit of having no benefits (or removing tax incentives for those benefits so employers are incented to drop them). All for the "job creators" (most of whom, like Romney, spends all of his time managing his portfolio and not doing any job creating whatsoever...not that Romney did much in that arena other than some minimum wage jobs like Staples.)

102 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:09:23pm

re: #100 alpuz

Voted today. First day of Wisconsin early voting and turnout locally was high.
Line out the building at the 8:30 opening.

I also found out one of my co-workers 'knows' Obama's a Muslim. She's
been doing thorough research and has proof. Ah, interwebs.. you make
my workday so interesting.

She's a lesbian satanist. I know it.

103 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:09:38pm

re: #96 Kragar

Why Teddy Roosevelt was fucking awesome:

Teddy was one of those presidents whose legend will never die.

104 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:09:50pm

re: #97 AK-47%

But how can the same people who think the Anti Christ will be Jewish say with a straight face that they support Israel? Oh, wait, because the Rapture aftermath will clear the way for a Christian Jewish state? Damn, I'm dizzy now:)

105 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:10:23pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

She's a lesbian satanist. I know it.

Her jewelry is a secret code saying she loves to bath in lutefisk.

106 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:10:47pm

re: #64 Eventual Carrion

GMTA

Indeed. :-)

107 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:11:12pm

re: #105 Kragar

Her jewelry is a secret code saying she loves to bath in lutefisk.

That's a truly vicious lye.

108 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:11:42pm

re: #107 erik_t

That's a truly vicious lye.

Hominy dollars you bet on that?

109 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:11:58pm

re: #107 erik_t

That's a truly vicious lye.

Butter believe it.

110 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:12:45pm

re: #108 Decatur Deb

Hominy dollars you bet on that?

I soappose I could put twenty bucks on it.

111 alpuz  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:13:14pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

She's actually a very nice elderly lady. Blew my mind.

112 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:14:26pm

re: #79 dragonath

Because you people deserve it; the Duggar family singing a song for Todd Akin

The Duggars for Akin: You too can have 19 children like us...just elect Todd Akin and he will make sure that you HAVE to have those 19 children! Just as God has intended.

113 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:14:44pm

re: #111 alpuz

She's actually a very nice elderly lady. Blew my mind.

Ah. A witch given to psychic fellatio. Tell her I said so.

114 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:15:00pm

Colbert and Back Again? Comedy Central host to appear in ‘The Hobbit’

Peter Jackson invited me to the set last year,” he told a Playboy reporter. “I flew out and watched them shoot some scenes and went to some locations. I saw a 25-minute cut, and it was amazing. Jackson knows I’m a big fan of the films.”

“He didn’t hire you as an extra or something?” the interviewer asked. Colbert just grinned in return. “Could be,” he reportedly said with a smile.

115 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:15:46pm

re: #98 Kragar

Walsh's death rattles will be a source of enjoyment for the next 2 weeks.

Looks like Akin will very likely be sent packing as well. But it also looks like West and Bachmann are here to stay (ugh).

116 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:16:12pm
117 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:18:03pm

re: #100 alpuz

Voted today. First day of Wisconsin early voting and turnout locally was high.
Line out the building at the 8:30 opening.

I also found out one of my co-workers 'knows' Obama's a Muslim. She's
been doing thorough research and has proof. Ah, interwebs.. you make
my workday so interesting.

Well if you do follow the slime trails on the interwebs they do take to to those kind of sites that preach that kind of bullshit. lol

118 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:18:07pm

Hey Californians! Wake the fuck up!

Image: 403707_10151162291133673_1046547258_n.jpg

119 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:19:39pm

re: #112 Joanne (JustJay)

The Stepford Family Values Tour. . .

120 HAL2010  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:20:22pm

Hi guys, I just wanted to take some time off studying and shamelessly plug a short essay I wrote about the relationship between the Taliban, AQ and the TTP.

If you know your history, it's probably familiar stuff, for a few others, I hope you learn something.

It's available as a pdf here, on the IMED website.

Simon Franzen examines the complex, often misunderstood, relationship between al-Qaeda, the Taliban and the various militant groups found in FATA (the Federally Administered Tribal Areas) in Pakistan, including the TTP (Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan).

Much of what is commonly assumed about the Taliban, the TTP and al-Qaeda is based on misinformation, misunderstanding or a misrepresentation of historical events. The Taliban and al-Qaeda can in many ways be seen as sharing common values, although their ultimate goals remain very different. The Taliban were not part of the mujahedeen fighting against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and emerged only in 1994. Al-Qaeda, for all the conspiracy, did not receive money from the CIA during the 1980s, and was only officially formed as an organisation in 1988. The creation of the TTP in 2007 is another matter, and was created as an umbrella organisation for various Pakistani militant groups, and maintains close ties with al-Qaeda. However, the Pakistani Taliban is not the same Taliban as the one formed in 1994, and although it swears its loyalty to Mullah Omar, its goals differ from that of the Afghani Taliban.

I will miss the debate tonight, I need to get up early tomorrow and read more during the day.
Hope you all have a good evening and don't do too many shots watching the debate.
Later!

121 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:20:58pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Looks like Akin will very likely be sent packing as well. But it also looks like West and Bachmann are here to stay (ugh).

How on earth do these insane people keep getting reelected? Honestly, there needs to be a sanity test. This is beyond embarrassing for US.

122 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:21:53pm

Abortion still a big issue with women even though Romney dismisses the little ladies who should be home nursing babies anyway...what the hell are they thinking? Work. Sheesh.

When former Massachusetts Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey took to MSNBC last week on behalf of Mitt Romney, she repeated a message that has been the heart of the Republican presidential nominee’s campaign: The economy is the most important issue going. More important, she said, than even women’s issues are to women.

And she knows...right now she's breastfeeding two kids and an orphaned panda.

(note: that last line might not be 100% factual)

123 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:23:19pm

That little speedbump was my fault again. Working on optimizing database queries.

124 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:23:24pm

re: #122 darthstar

No, I found the panda piece next to the article that confirmed Obama's religion ///

100% true, interweb never lies

125 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:23:30pm

Next up on the Republican agenda...repeal the Nineteenth Amendment!!1!11

126 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:24:29pm

re: #101 Joanne (JustJay)

GOP's wet dream:

Their ultimate wet dreams is to have the entire US workforce lined up in a parking lot, while managers (on temporary contracts themselves) come by in a van and pick them up as day laborers: "I need four accountants, one marketer, three IT people and a receptionist, eight dollars fifty an hour!"

127 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:24:55pm

re: #125 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

"When asked about the issue, Romney replied, 'well, you know that it has only been around since 1920, so women really won't miss it much'"

128 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:25:22pm

re: #124 DisturbedEma

No, I found the panda piece next to the article that confirmed Obama's religion ///

100% true, interweb never lies

Mother Breastfeeds Dog To 'Feel Complete' - Photos

129 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:26:06pm

re: #128 Kragar

MIND BLEACH STAT!!!!!! It burnsss, it freeezesss

130 Batman  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:26:07pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Check out the article. The biggest gender gap was women for Al Gore. He lost.

In terms of the most powerful electorate to have on your side on election day, the Supreme Court trumps women.

131 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:26:57pm

Gadzooks.

Content warning at the TPM page linked here.

132 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:28:13pm

re: #131 Gus

Gadzooks.

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Content warning at the TPM page linked here.

Wow. Also, fucking moron.

Late Update: A few TPM Readers note — and I believe that they are right — that the creator the Stevens montage seemed not to realize or not to care that the picture on the right is of the late Libya dictator Gaddafi.

133 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:28:16pm

Every single woman should read this.

A far more ominous tale in the Romney canon also took place that summer, one that has been largely swept under the rug as the former governor of Massachusetts challenges incumbent Barack Obama for the presidency.

It was in August of that year, shortly after the Romney family returned from their vacation to Lake Huron, that a pregnant woman in her late 30s—Carrel Hilton Sheldon—was informed by her doctor that she had a life-threatening blood clot lodged in her pelvic region.

Sheldon's doctor advised her that the overdose of Heparin might have also harmed her 8-week-old fetus and, given the possible fatal repercussions to her, he recommended that she abort her pregnancy.

"Of course, you should have the abortion," she recalled [her Mormon "stake president] saying.

According to an account later written anonymously by Sheldon for the LDS women's journal, Exponent II, it was after receiving this counsel from her Williams supporting the potentially life-saving procedure that she experienced an uninvited visit in her hospital from her Mormon bishop at the time, 36-year-old Mitt Romney, who adamantly opposed the abortion.

"He regaled me with stories of his sister and her retarded child and what a blessing the child had been to the family," Sheldon wrote of the incident. "He told me that 'as your bishop, my concern is with the child.'"

There was no empathy forthcoming from Romney, according to Sheldon, no warmth or sympathy. Moreover, Sheldon contends, Romney cast doubt on her story about the stake president's approval. He simply didn't believe her. He threatened to call him and track him down. He didn't seem to care a lick about her personal well-being.

"At a time when I would have appreciated nurturing and support from spiritual leaders and friends," Sheldon wrote, "I got judgment, criticism, prejudicial advice, and rejection."

According to R.B. Scott, author of the insightful Mitt Romney: An Inside Look at the Man and His Politics, Romney's only concern was for the unborn fetus. Last year, Scott, who is also a Mormon, interviewed Sheldon's 90-year-old father, Phil Hilton, who remembered the incident quite vividly.

"I have never been so upset about anything in my life," he told Scott. "[Romney] is an authoritative type fellow who thinks he is in charge of the world."

Hilton was so offended by Romney's single-mindedness and absolute lack of sensitivity to his daughter's health that he ordered the young bishop out of his home. Hilton told Scott that he was fully prepared to "throw [Romney] off the porch if he paused for even a second." Romney kept moving.

Read the whole thing.

134 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:29:08pm

re: #131 Gus

Gadzooks.

[Embedded content]

Content warning at the TPM page linked here.

Jesus fuck! How fucking desperate does one have to believe their political position to put something like that on Facebook?

135 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:29:20pm

Fischer: I am a 'Prophetic Voice' Warning Against the Gay Agenda

On today's program, Bryan Fischer reiterated his belief that America is "going to have to choose between the homosexual agenda and liberty, because we cannot have both," asserting that a lot of people do not realize that this choice has to be made, which is why it is so important for those "prophetic voices," such as himself, to speak up and "alert people to coming danger before they can see it":

136 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:29:46pm

Image: enhanced-buzz-wide-13579-1350935367-11.jpg

137 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:30:13pm

re: #128 Kragar

Mother Breastfeeds Dog To 'Feel Complete' - Photos

Shakes head.

138 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:30:39pm

Breitbart's Inheritors Battle Over His Legacy
“A happy cult” no more as internal friction stresses the conservative website. “I think he would detest what it's become,” says one staffer.

139 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:31:28pm

re: #135 Kragar

Fischer: I am a 'Prophetic Voice' Warning Against the Gay Agenda

Ever notice that despite the plethora of Christian issues out there Fischer spends an inordinate amount of time on homosexuality?

140 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:32:11pm

re: #128 Kragar

Mother Breastfeeds Dog To 'Feel Complete' - Photos

I believe there's a particular agenda behind this: as much as a lot of the right wing embraces motherhood, they have problems with breastfeeding, especially in public.

Because real American mothers put their kids on the bottle. Breast-feeding is a slippery slope, and this is what it could lead to...

141 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:32:38pm

re: #122 darthstar

Abortion still a big issue with women even though Romney dismisses the little ladies who should be home nursing babies anyway...what the hell are they thinking? Work. Sheesh.

And she knows...right now she's breastfeeding two kids and an orphaned panda.

(note: that last line might not be 100% factual)

Thing is, the wingnuts look at polls showing women viewing abortion as a major issue and don't think "Maybe there's something to this," they think "Those Democrats got them brainwashed! A woman ain't got a need to worry about abortion going away if they just keep their legs crossed."

142 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:32:43pm

re: #131 Gus

Gadzooks.

[Embedded content]

Content warning at the TPM page linked here.

I guess there's no class in the whole extended Romney family.

143 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:34:17pm

re: #128 Kragar

Mother Breastfeeds Dog To 'Feel Complete' - Photos

Ok, that is definitely weird, but so is the WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTO. It's so graphic that a woman breastfeeds (and no, I don't mean the total weirdness of the dog, but breastfeeding in general) that requires a WARNING!!1! to go along with it.

That makes me shake my head as much as this weirdo woman.

144 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:34:35pm

re: #131 Gus

Gadzooks.

Content warning at the TPM page linked here.

'Ghoulish' isn't quite a strong enough word.

145 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:35:30pm

re: #140 AK-47%

I believe there's a particular agenda behind this: as much as a lot of the right wing embraces motherhood, they have problems with breastfeeding, especially in public.

Because real American mothers put their kids on the bottle. Breast-feeding is a slippery slope, and this is what it could lead to...

Uhm...healthier children? ;-)

146 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:36:07pm

55 minutes before the October surprise! One of three. I'm sure it will be real damning and not some more made up bullshit.

//

147 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:36:14pm

re: #143 Joanne (JustJay)

Ok, that is definitely weird, but so is the WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTO. It's so graphic that a woman breastfeeds (and no, I don't mean the total weirdness of the dog, but breastfeeding in general) that requires a WARNING!!1! to go along with it.

That makes me shake my head as much as this weirdo woman.

Because our culture is so tit-fixated, we have come to equate breasts with sexuality, hence the problem with breastfeeding, especially in public. So this photo is basically an image of perverse bestiality in many people's eyes.

Romulus and Remus in reverse...

148 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:37:17pm

In other news, The Donald says he's got some bombshell that's gonna "change the election" which he intends to drop no later than Wednesday. And he made this announcement on F&F, saying that they'd be sure to cover it extensively.

Perhaps he's found the "Whitey Tape"?

149 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:37:23pm

re: #140 AK-47%

I believe there's a particular agenda behind this: as much as a lot of the right wing embraces motherhood, they have problems with breastfeeding, especially in public.

Because real American mothers put their kids on the bottle. Breast-feeding is a slippery slope, and this is what it could lead to...

Mind meet gutter. . .slippery slope made me think bad thoughts. . . .:)

150 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:37:23pm

re: #146 Gus

55 minutes before the October surprise! One of three. I'm sure it will be real damning and not some more made up bullshit.

//

Is that when Trump is going to shit another egg bomb.

151 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:37:59pm

‘F*ck you, Ohio,’ for hogging presidential race

“Many things divide Americans, but we can unite behind a common enemy — a force making us irrational, weak and stupid,” Cobb says in a satirical Second City Network video published on Monday. “We must come together to destroy it before it destroys us. Fuck you, Ohio.”

“I lived in Ohio for years,” he explains. “It’s not all monsters, but mostly. And now they rule us all. Candidates have to win Ohio to be president so they are the only people who matter, as opposed to, say, you. And many of them, clearly, are fucking idiots.”

For example, Cobb notes that vying for Ohio means that candidates feel the need to promote “clean coal” technologies, “something the rest of the country knows is bullshit.”

“Ohio made them do that,” he observes. “Clean coal doesn’t exist. Coal is dirt. So, clean coal is like clean dog shit.”

“Democracy is over and they won,” Cobb adds. “I’m not saying we should build a wall around Ohio and burn the whole thing to the ground with everyone in it. We have to let the Ohioans out first so they can help rebuild what’s left of civilization after Ohio is done with it.”

“The rest of us are taking it right in the buckeye.”

152 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:38:19pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

If the econo wonks I've been listening to are any indication, China's headed for a major crash of its own.

The econo so-called wonks I know who are predicting a Chinese economic crash have been predicting one for about 20 years now -- and predicting it as a total melt-down at that.

153 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:38:30pm

re: #150 Tigger2

Is that when Trump is going to shit another egg bomb.

Nah. This is the octsurprise dot com bozo who Tweeted that it was related. So I'm assuming wingnut garbage.

154 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:38:31pm

re: #128 Kragar

Mother Breastfeeds Dog To 'Feel Complete' - Photos

Well, it is a Pug and they are cute little guys with wrinkly faces.

155 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:38:37pm

re: #147 AK-47%

Because our culture is so tit-fixated

I, for one, make no apology for my contribution.

/

156 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:39:30pm

re: #135 Kragar

Fischer: I am a 'Prophetic Voice' Warning Against the Gay Agenda

I think he needs to see a psychiatrist stat.

157 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:39:42pm

re: #153 Gus

Nah. This is the octsurprise dot com bozo who Tweeted that it was related. So I'm assuming wingnut garbage.

Prediction: Obama smoked pot as a teenager.

158 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:39:42pm
159 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:40:35pm

re: #147 AK-47%

I nursed all my kids, and never really got any flak when I did so in public, some looks and such, but more of the "oh, sorry I didn't notice the blanket baby thing, I'll move" variety, maybe once or twice I got some weird comment, sometimes mean, to which I'd reply, "if we can use them to sell underwear, cars and beer, I can use them to feed my kid." My favorite place to nurse was near, well almost across from a Victoria's Secret:)

160 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:40:37pm

re: #158 Gus

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If we just enforced the laws that already exist...

161 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:40:44pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Perhaps he's found the "Whitey Tape"?

The Donald probably found a lost Whitney tape...previously unreleased and now sure to be a chart topper.

Trump...a loud mouthed, ignorant schmuck.

162 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:40:45pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

Prediction: Obama smoked pot as a teenager.

...

This document shows that Obama put down Kenya as his place of birth in his Harvard application!

163 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:40:51pm

re: #158 Gus

Smells like freedom.

164 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:41:04pm

re: #158 Gus

Police say man who shot 7 at Wisconsin spa bought gun 2 days after court ordered him to turn in firearms:

Second Amendment Remedies in action?

165 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:41:11pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Speaking of whitey, I saw Jack White and his lovely white-dressed all female back up band at the Bridge School Benefit the other night...that fucker is a good guitar player.

166 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:41:35pm

re: #158 Gus

They have spas in Wisconsin?

167 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:42:07pm

re: #166 darthstar

Yes we do- Kohler Spa is amaaaazing

168 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:42:22pm

re: #139 dragonfire1981

Ever notice that despite the plethora of Christian issues out there Fischer spends an inordinate amount of time on homosexuality?

It's all the research videos

169 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:42:30pm

re: #159 DisturbedEma

I nursed all my kids, and never really got any flak when I did so in public, some looks and such, but more of the "oh, sorry I didn't notice the blanket baby thing, I'll move" variety, maybe once or twice I got some weird comment, sometimes mean, to which I'd reply, "if we can use them to sell underwear, cars and beer, I can use them to feed my kid." My favorite place to nurse was near, well almost across from a Victoria's Secret:)

It is growing in acceptability (my ex was a La Leche League counsellor) there are some people who still go batshit benders of the sight of it.

170 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:42:49pm

re: #166 darthstar

We aren't all beer guzzling cheese eaters. . .well, ok yes we are, but we've got class;)

171 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:42:54pm

re: #166 darthstar

They have spas in Wisconsin?

Natural Unnatural spas.

//

172 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:43:05pm

re: #153 Gus

Nah. This is the octsurprise dot com bozo who Tweeted that it was related. So I'm assuming wingnut garbage.

Ok, I heard on the news that Trump was going to release something that will destroy Obama's political career. But I assume that will also be wingnut garbage.

173 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:43:18pm

re: #153 Gus

Nah. This is the octsurprise dot com bozo who Tweeted that it was related. So I'm assuming wingnut garbage.

That was revealed as a giant rick-rolling prank last week, the two guys involved did the same thing before but with a supposed free album release.

174 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:43:48pm

re: #173 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

That was revealed as a giant rick-rolling prank last week, the two guys involved did the same thing before but with a supposed free album release.

Read that too.

175 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:44:16pm

re: #161 Joanne (JustJay)

The Donald probably found a lost Whitney tape...previously unreleased and now sure to be a chart topper.

Trump...a loud mouthed, ignorant schmuck.

A tape that no doubt has been sitting on Youtube since '08, if not longer.

176 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:44:26pm

re: #169 AK-47%

I never did a nurse in or anything, and I did not really look for the chance to do so in public, not a lactavist, but a lactosupporter. . .why did I think of the movie Grease when I typed that?

177 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:45:58pm

Trouble in Breitbartland...awww...

178 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:46:20pm

Oh look. It's Pam Geller's and Spencer's friends.

179 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:46:41pm

re: #167 DisturbedEma

Yes we do- Kohler Spa is amaaaazing

Kohler?

Image: kohler_quietclose.jpg

180 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:47:10pm

re: #159 DisturbedEma

I nursed all my kids, and never really got any flak when I did so in public, some looks and such, but more of the "oh, sorry I didn't notice the blanket baby thing, I'll move" variety, maybe once or twice I got some weird comment, sometimes mean, to which I'd reply, "if we can use them to sell underwear, cars and beer, I can use them to feed my kid." My favorite place to nurse was near, well almost across from a Victoria's Secret:)

My grandmother moved in with us right after I had my second child and was immediately diagnosed with cancer. I had to take her to all of her appointments, so the baby got breastfed everywhere. Not a single person bothered me. I wonder if it's just me, if I give out a certain vibe or what, because I didn't have strangers trying to touch my belly when I was pregnant, either. ;-)

181 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:47:16pm

re: #171 Gus

They CAN be quite unnatural, I looked at the services offered, and if you are into having your body smeared with salt, coffee, wrapped in seaweed, have hot rocks put on you, or have someone massage you with their feet, they can hook you up. . .for about 200 bucks per service:)

182 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:47:24pm

Holy crap.

State Bar files ethics suit against Morton prosecutor

A State Bar of Texas disciplinary commission has filed a lawsuit accusing former Williamson County District Attorney Ken Anderson of violating his duty as a lawyer by intentionally withholding favorable evidence from Michael Morton, who served almost 25 years in prison for a murder he did not commit.

If the allegations are found to be true after an as-yet unscheduled civil trial, Anderson — now a state district judge in Georgetown — faces punishments that could include a public reprimand, disbarment or the loss of his law license for a set amount of time. Anderson has denied any wrongdoing.

The four-page “disciplinary petition” lists five pieces of information that it says Anderson hid from Morton and his lawyers “before, during and after” Morton’s 1987 trial, when he was sentenced to life in prison for the murder of his wife, Christine, in the bed of their Williamson County home.

The petition also said Anderson did not reply truthfully when District Judge William Lott, who oversaw Morton’s trial and is now deceased, asked if all favorable evidence had been turned over to defense lawyers as required by law.

“During a pretrial hearing, (Anderson) affirmatively told the trial court that he had no evidence favorable to the accused. That statement was false,” the petition said.

No punishment I can think of would be enough to hit this bastard with.

183 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:47:26pm

re: #174 Gus

Read that too.

They admitted it on their twitter after redditors dug up all their info. And started showing Rick Astley singing "Never Gonna Give You Up" on the site instead of the count down timer...

184 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:48:01pm

re: #178 Gus

Oh look. It's Pam Geller's and Spencer's friends.

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You know who likes the EDL? Pam Geller
You know who likes Pam Geller? Mitt Romney.

A vote for Romney is a vote for people like Pamela Geller.

185 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:48:57pm

re: #179 darthstar

Yup- the toilet maker also has a high end resort with a day spaSooooo 'lux

186 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:49:26pm

re: #177 darthstar

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Trouble in Breitbartland...awww...

Youtube Video
187 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:49:28pm

re: #178 Gus

Oh look. It's Pam Geller's and Spencer's friends.

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Reminds me of old pictures of the IRA in its heyday.

188 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:50:12pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Shudder. . .

189 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:50:54pm

re: #176 DisturbedEma

I never did a nurse in or anything, and I did not really look for the chance to do so in public, not a lactavist, but a lactosupporter. . .why did I think of the movie Grease when I typed that?

I do not undersand the issue either, seems to be a combination of marketing on the part of the baby formula producers and a prudish, repressive religious tradition that has problems with anything that happens in our bodies below the neck. Put those two together and they can produce true nightmares...

190 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:51:33pm

re: #83 Kragar

"We support your existence so you can be destroyed according to our whacked out prophecy."

Evangelical + Quiverfull = fucking crazy RWNJs

I feel bad for the kids in that family, but it's likely too late for them with the parents they've got.

191 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:52:14pm

re: #182 Kragar

Holy crap.

State Bar files ethics suit against Morton prosecutor

No punishment I can think of would be enough to hit this bastard with.

Legitimately shockingly, Morton does not happen to be black.

192 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:52:51pm

re: #185 DisturbedEma

Yup- the toilet maker also has a high end resort with a day spaSooooo 'lux

Nice pictures on their site! They even cater to white people! Imagine that. (I know, it's Wisconsin...no need to be multi-cultural.)

193 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:53:49pm

re: #159 DisturbedEma

I nursed all my kids, and never really got any flak when I did so in public, some looks and such, but more of the "oh, sorry I didn't notice the blanket baby thing, I'll move" variety, maybe once or twice I got some weird comment, sometimes mean, to which I'd reply, "if we can use them to sell underwear, cars and beer, I can use them to feed my kid." My favorite place to nurse was near, well almost across from a Victoria's Secret:)

I breastfed 9 kids, and I have never breast-fed a non-human, or a baby that didn't belong to me, or a toddler past the age of 2.

And I never appeared on the cover of TIME Magazine.

194 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:55:44pm

re: #193 Sheila Broflovski

I breastfed 9 kids, and I have never breast-fed a non-human, or a baby that didn't belong to me, or a toddler past the age of 2.

And I never appeared on the cover of TIME Magazine.

Are you really sure about that? People who are sleep-deprived do some strange things.///

195 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:55:45pm

Yeah, even the kids at Nickelodeon are smart enough to stay away from the creepy old white guy.

196 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:55:51pm

re: #183 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

They admitted it on their twitter after redditors dug up all their info. And started showing Rick Astley singing "Never Gonna Give You Up" on the site instead of the count down timer...

It's all bologna.

197 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:56:23pm

re: #195 darthstar

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Yeah, even the kids at Nickelodeon are smart enough to stay away from the creepy old white guy.

Obama wins the massive "Kid Gap."

//

198 Mattand  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:56:42pm
If only men voted, Mr. Obama would be biding his time until a crushing defeat at the hands of Mitt Romney, who might win by a similar margin to the one Ronald Reagan realized over Jimmy Carter in 1980. Only California, Illinois, Hawaii and a few states in the Northeast could be considered safely Democratic. Every other state would lean red, or would at least be a toss-up.

There are really that many of my fellow males that feel that a return to Reagan-style economics and Bush-style foreign policy would actually be good for our country?

What a bunch of fucking idiots.

If you can't remember who ran this country into the dirt from 2001 to 2008, then you get the government you deserve. The problem is you're taking everyone else down with you.

199 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:57:58pm

re: #197 Gus

Obama wins the massive "Kid Gap."

//

Since it began in 1988, the kids have presaged the adults' vote all but once, when more youngsters voted for John Kerry over George W. Bush in 2004.
Obama answered questions submitted by Nickelodeon viewers for a special earlier this month. Romney didn't participate

Well, that could have something to do with it.

200 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:58:07pm

re: #197 Gus

Obama wins the massive "Kid Gap."

//

re: #197 Gus

Obama wins the massive "Kid Gap."

//

You know it's bad when Romney can't even lie to kids and get them to support him.

201 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:58:18pm

Gold Star Mother: Romney Skipped Funeral, Left "Bullying" Messages

Appearing on ABC’s The View this past Thursday, Ann Romney claimed that her husband, as governor of Massachusetts, “went to every funeral” of fallen soldiers from the Commonwealth. She spoke of the difficult role he had “to comfort those that have lost a loved one and have gone in harm’s way.”

But Mitt Romney did not attend every soldier’s funeral; there were at least two cases where he did not.

And in one of those cases, a Gold Star mother claims that, far from comforting, Romney left insensitive phone messages – messages that she calls “bullying” and her husband describes as “abusive.”

“I can’t believe you haven’t returned my call,” Romney said on one of the voice mail messages, according to Stephany Kern, speaking at her Westerly, Rhode Island home this past Saturday. “Here I am making a second call; I haven’t heard from you.”

Kern did not save the messages. This is the first time she has spoken publicly about them...

202 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:59:06pm

re: #182 Kragar

Holy crap.

State Bar files ethics suit against Morton prosecutor

No punishment I can think of would be enough to hit this bastard with.

25 years in prison, like the poor guy he railroaded?

203 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:02:03pm

re: #179 darthstar

Kohler?

Image: kohler_quietclose.jpg

Wow. Two seats to leave up.

204 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:02:04pm
205 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:02:05pm

re: #198 Mattand

There are really that many of my fellow males that feel that a return to Reagan-style economics and Bush-style foreign policy would actually be good for our country?

What a bunch of fucking idiots.

If you can't remember who ran this country into the dirt from 2001 to 2008, then you get the government you deserve. The problem is you're taking everyone else down with you.

Between the LIVs, the racists, and the "party before country" cheerleaders, I fear for the future of this republic.

206 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:02:23pm

re: #202 Joanne (JustJay)

25 years in prison, like the poor guy he railroaded?

25 years in jail, complete forfeiture of all assets to Morton, being forced to go to every family member and saying "I'm a terrible human being who made you think this man murdered his wife."

Then make sure he ends up on the same cell block with as many people he put in prison as possible.

207 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:02:28pm

re: #200 Tigger2

re: #197 Gus

You know it's bad when Romney can't even lie to kids and get them to support him.

Kids are smart. They see through lies faster than adults do.

208 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:03:24pm

re: #207 darthstar

Kids are smart. They see through lies faster than adults do.

That's the beauty of not having any preconceived biases on most issues.

209 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:04:33pm

re: #172 Tigger2

Ok, I heard on the news that Trump was going to release something that will destroy Obama's political career. But I assume that will also be wingnut garbage.

You'll have to wait till Wednesday for that to be revealed apparently...

Trump’s surprise started last week, with a cliffhanger of a tweet Friday afternoon: Donald J. Trump ‏wrote, ”I’ll be making a major announcement on President Obama next week — stay tuned!”

Then, after a weekend of silence on the subject, Trump offered a few more details about this ‘major announcement’ during his weekly phone interview with Fox & Friends. ”It’s going to be announced probably on Wednesday. But I have something very, very big concerning the President of the United States,” Trump said Monday morning on the show.

When the Fox & Friends hosts inquired whether the announcement was of a personal or professional nature, the business mogul said it was both, adding, “It’s all in one, everything. It’s very big. Bigger than anybody would know.”
More...

Sure, I'll bet...

210 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:05:50pm

re: #209 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

You'll have to wait till Wednesday for that to be revealed apparently...

Sure, I'll bet...

At this point, if The Donald beat every other ODS sufferer to the bombshell of this election, I'll be convinced the Mayans were right.

211 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:05:55pm

re: #198 Mattand

From my personal experience, racism is a very male-oriented malediction.

212 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:07:12pm

re: #207 darthstar

Kids are smart. They see through lies faster than adults do.

There used to be a billboard near my house of a black and white kid hugging each other. It said, "People are not born racists."

213 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:07:14pm

re: #182 Kragar

Holy crap.

State Bar files ethics suit against Morton prosecutor

No punishment I can think of would be enough to hit this bastard with.

But disbar him just the same.

214 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:08:17pm

re: #211 Ghost of Tom Joad

From my personal experience, racism is a very male-oriented malediction.

For your sins, read Gone With the Wind again.

215 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:08:33pm

re: #193 Sheila Broflovski

Wow, you lasted longer than I, 17 months was the longest I went. . .ya, I never got my close up either ;)

216 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:08:37pm

How Romney treated one family of a fallen soldier

217 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:09:06pm

oh and again OT but am I the only one looking forward to the release of Painkiller: Hell and Damnation?

218 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:10:12pm

re: #217 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

oh and again OT but am I the only one looking forward to the release of Painkiller: Hell and Damnation?

Considering how much he loved it, more than likely you can count Yahtzee amongst those in the "eagerly anticipating" column. Then again, with him, it's more like "Cautiously optimistic."

219 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:10:18pm

re: #194 Sionainn

Oooh, good point, I may have to do a search:)

220 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:11:28pm

re: #210 Targetpractice

Challenge accepted??? :)

221 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:13:22pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

ummmmm que?

222 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:13:35pm

Shit, if Trump manages to drop a bombshell that actually destroys Obama, I'll start looking for four guys on horseback.

223 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:14:05pm

re: #221 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

ummmmm que?

You know not of Yahtzee?

224 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:14:19pm

re: #222 Targetpractice

Shit, if Trump manages to drop a bombshell that actually destroys Obama, I'll start looking for four guys on horseback.

I'll give you their numbers.

225 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:15:07pm

I am not sure which of the following is a bigger waste of time- trying to figure out wtf Trump is talking about in general, or imagining what his surprise is. . .

One of the people on Facebook posted the most reDONKulous status implying that Trump will die of a heart attack and the medical examiner who confirms said death will die a week later. . .sheesh

226 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:16:18pm

Lesley Gore tells Romney: 'You Don't Own Me.


Youtube Video

I don't know if this is an add on TV but it should be.

227 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:16:23pm
228 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:16:42pm

re: #225 DisturbedEma

I am not sure which of the following is a bigger waste of time- trying to figure out wtf Trump is talking about in general, or imagining what his surprise is. . .

One of the people on Facebook posted the most reDONKulous status implying that Trump will die of a heart attack and the medical examiner who confirms said death will die a week later. . .sheesh

I seem to recall some event when an unusually high number of people involved died not long after it happened...and I'm not referring to the supposed "Curse of King Tut".

I'm thinking Kennedy assassination perhaps? Pretty sure it was a major political event.

229 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:16:54pm

Ronna Romney posts images of dead ambassador to facebook with the words "Obama Killed Him"

230 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:17:25pm

re: #227 Charles Johnson

Why what? Or is it that obvious what he's really asking, and is he that fucking stupid for wondering why.

231 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:17:55pm

re: #182 Kragar

Holy crap.

State Bar files ethics suit against Morton prosecutor

No punishment I can think of would be enough to hit this bastard with.

Oh, I can. Any prosecutor that causes someone to serve an undeserved punishment should receive the exact same punishment. This especially needs to be true in capital cases...

This shitbird should sit for 25 years.

232 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:18:12pm

re: #229 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ronna Romney posts images of dead ambassador to facebook with the words "Obama Killed Him"

She just posted this a minute ago:

Ronna Romney
about a minute ago near Birmingham, MI

I want to apologize for a picture that I posted earlier today of Ambassador Stevens. I did not notice the horrible verbiage in the background. I was stunned and embarrassed when my daughter called me about it. I removed it immediately and then made an appointment with my eye doctor....

233 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:18:20pm

Bryan Fischer finds a gay he can like

Bryan Fischer is out for vindication. He was dismissed from a CNN broadcast by Carol Costello after ranting away at gays and failing to discuss the SPLC Mix It Up Day honestly. Now he has found himself a gay person who Fischer believes speaks the truth and thinks like he thinks. And as if to shout, “I told you so!” he presents this gay man as an authority in his most recent column. Fischer cites Johann Hari who penned what Hari portrays as an expose of sorts for Huffington Post on the subject of gay fascists. No matter that most gays aren’t fascists, or that most neo-Nazis, especially in the U.S., hate gays or that Johann Hari is just one gay person. Hari says some things Fischer can agree with, so Hari is an authority.

The problem for Fischer is that the consensus among historians is that the idea that gays are always at the center of fascism is inaccurate. In Fischer’s world, the majority has been co-opted by the gays whereas the few people who see a vital link between homosexuality and fascism are seeing the gospel truth. All it takes is one person, expert or not, saying what Fischer says and voilà, the man is a genius.

234 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:18:53pm

re: #228 dragonfire1981

Trump is no Jack Kennedy. . .sorry had to go there. Are you saying that you believe Trump will die a Briebartian death?

235 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:18:57pm
236 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:19:57pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

She just posted this a minute ago:

Incompetence of such a stunning degree might actually be more damning than malice.

237 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:20:34pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

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I know a few who didn't vote in "08" but they're voting this year.

238 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:20:48pm

re: #229 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ex-sister-in-law? What a vile piece of trash.

239 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:21:18pm

re: #234 DisturbedEma

The person who posted the status in question believes Trump will be killed before the reveal and believes Breibart was murdered

240 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:21:23pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

See I have a hard time giving her the benefit of the doubt at this point. I mean she posted a picture of the dead U.S. ambassador. That in and of itself is beyond the pale let alone what was in the image.

241 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:21:56pm

re: #138 Gus

Breitbart's Inheritors Battle Over His Legacy
“A happy cult” no more as internal friction stresses the conservative website. “I think he would detest what it's become,” says one staffer.

Wow, that is a good read. I especially love this bit:

A current Breitbart staffer singled out a colleague, John Nolte, who has devoted much of his time to attacking journalists on Twitter rather than moving the ball with reporting.

“He’s capable of tremendous insight but… he’s written the same post for three years,” the colleague complained.

242 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:21:59pm

re: #240 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I'm with you on this

243 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:22:22pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Translation: the family threatened to cut off the money spigot if I didn't post a seemingly sincere apology.

244 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:23:04pm

re: #240 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

See I have a hard time giving her the benefit of the doubt at this point. I mean she posted a picture of the dead U.S. ambassador. That in and of itself is beyond the pale let alone what was in the image.

Check out the other pictures in her Facebook page. She's got a serious case of Obama-hate.

245 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:23:09pm

re: #234 DisturbedEma

Trump is no Jack Kennedy. . .sorry had to go there. Are you saying that you believe Trump will die a Briebartian death?

Of course not, I was simply saying I could recall at least one occurrence of some "unusual" deaths taking place following a major event.

I'm thinking that's the source of the bizarre Trump theory.

246 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:23:16pm

Give us your ballots...we'll turn them in for you.

247 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:23:24pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

add to that the montage, according to TPM is even more jacked up given that one of the images in it is a dead Gaddafi...

248 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:24:08pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

I have no desire to look at her page, seeing as she posted that one I am sure it's a trove of bullshit.

249 The Mongoose  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:24:10pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

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Agree. The likely voter screens represent a major adjustment to the numbers for most polling firms, and are definitely a source of variability. Nate Silver's model intrinsically accounts for this by looking at how a poll is moving relative to its last iteration, rather than just the top-line numbers...it's a useful way of looking at it and helps to sort out what to make of Gallup showing Romney up 6 while IDB/TIPP shows Obama up 4.

250 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:24:11pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

She just posted this a minute ago:

Uhm, yeah...right, Ronna. I almost believe that. The entire clan is a classless bunch of entitled assholes.

251 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:24:27pm

re: #246 darthstar

Give us your ballots...we'll turn them in for you.

[Embedded content]

Maricopa huh? Isn't that Sheriff Joe's neighbourhood?

252 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:25:05pm

re: #240 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

See I have a hard time giving her the benefit of the doubt at this point. I mean she posted a picture of the dead U.S. ambassador. That in and of itself is beyond the pale let alone what was in the image.

Exactly right.

253 God of Binders with Women  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:25:05pm

re: #243 Ghost of Tom Joad

Translation: the family threatened to cut off the money spigot if I didn't post a seemingly sincere apology.

Hey, at least she didn't go "If anybody was offended, I sincerely apologize." Those non-apology apologies always piss me off.
//

254 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:25:16pm

re: #245 dragonfire1981

Ah, I just wanted to clarify. About Kennedy, I was born on the anniversary of his death, so it was/is kind of a life long interest of mine, trying to seperate fact from fiction. . .a very interesting, albeit tragic, subject

255 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:25:19pm

re: #251 dragonfire1981

Maricopa huh? Isn't that Sheriff Joe's neighbourhood?

Wretched hive of scum and villainy, thats the one.

256 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:26:10pm

re: #232 Charles

She just posted this a minute ago:

Holy shit...I was joking about breast feeding pandas, people!

Here's Ronna...
Image: 26366_1342893445605_893356_n.jpg

257 The Mongoose  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:26:32pm

re: #256 darthstar

Holy shit...I was joking about breast feeding pandas, people!

Here's Ronna...
Image: 26366_1342893445605_893356_n.jpg

Um...is that a real panda? wtf?

258 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:26:58pm

re: #233 Kragar

Bryan Fischer finds a gay he can like

"The problem for Fischer is that the consensus among historians is that the idea that gays are always at the center of fascism is inaccurate. "

Uhh.. If there are more than a couple dozen people involved, gays tend to be at the center of everything. Statistics, an' all.

(except maybe the Log Cabin Republicans)

259 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:27:02pm

re: #257 The Mongoose

Um...is that a real panda? wtf?

I'm sure it's been baptized by now.

260 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:27:20pm

re: #253 God of Binders with Women

With you on that, I have gotten used to offending people by simply telling the truth, or by being honest about my opinions. . .shit, I can offend someone by breathing

261 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:27:22pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Check out the other pictures in her Facebook page. She's got a serious case of Obama-hate.

Of course. The whole family is nothing but shameless liars and they don't like to be called on it. Obama is standing in the way of their White Horse Prophecy of a Mormon saving the US during a time of constitutional crisis.

The entire clan is sick. Dangerously sick. Terrifyingly sick.

262 God of Binders with Women  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:27:30pm

re: #257 The Mongoose

Um...is that a real panda? wtf?

Looks like she's showing off a kill. You know, like rednecks do with dead bucks.

263 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:28:05pm

re: #257 The Mongoose

I was joking about finding proof of nursing pandas! Ahhh

264 The Mongoose  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:28:08pm

re: #259 darthstar

I'm sure it's been baptized by now.

All sinful pandas must be cleansed. REPENT, FILTHY BEARS!

265 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:29:00pm

re: #256 darthstar

What part of the family is she from? She looks like Mitt's wife a little.

266 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:29:21pm

re: #257 The Mongoose

no, at zoo's that have pandas they have a green screen that they take a picture of you in front of and then super-impose a panda into the photo. My wife and I have one from the san diego zoo where we are "holding" one of the baby pandas between us.

267 God of Binders with Women  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:29:35pm

re: #264 The Mongoose

All sinful pandas must be cleansed. REPENT, FILTHY BEARS!

AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, FIND CAPITALISM TOO, YOU COMMIE CHINESE BEARS!!!

268 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:29:46pm

re: #251 dragonfire1981

Maricopa huh? Isn't that Sheriff Joe's neighbourhood?

Yup. I was working in Phoenix a couple of weeks ago and saw signs for him and the guy running against him. I said little prayers for that guy.

269 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:30:23pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

She just posted this a minute ago:

I just looked at her FB and don't see that message.

270 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:31:00pm
271 The Mongoose  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:31:09pm

re: #267 God of Binders with Women

AND WHILE YOU'RE AT IT, FIND CAPITALISM TOO, YOU COMMIE CHINESE BEARS!!!

"Fuckin' thing was a buddhist; we got here just in time."

272 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:31:13pm

re: #269 Sionainn

Mitt's campaign staff busted out the bleach bucket and is furiously scraping away as we speak.

273 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:31:38pm

[Link: octsurprise.com...]

274 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:31:51pm

re: #271 The Mongoose

No it was into the Tao of Pooh. . .

275 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:32:57pm

Tech note on the optimizations I've been doing:

With small data sets, SELECT DISTINCT works very fast. But with larger data sets, SELECT DISTINCT is evil and very, very slow.

I refactored the query that gets your complete list of tags for LGF Pages (in order to make suggestions) so that it returns the full list including duplicates, then uses PHP's array_unique to remove the duplicates instead of SELECT DISTINCT. Much, much quicker for large data sets, and slightly slower for small ones.

I noticed this was a problem from watching the MySQL queries with mytop, and seeing that every time researchok opened the LGF Pages posting window, it was taking 20 seconds or more to pull out all his tags from the DB -- he currently has more than 50,000 distinct tags. The new method eliminates this bottleneck.

276 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:33:03pm

re: #269 Sionainn

Earlier today I thought I was responding to someone's post and accidentally shared it on my site...I apologize

Is what's up there now. It was something people only discuss in...private rooms. Away from you people.

277 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:33:09pm

re: #265 Ghost of Tom Joad

What part of the family is she from? She looks like Mitt's wife a little.

It appears she's a former sister-in-law.

278 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:33:40pm

re: #273 Gus

[Link: octsurprise.com...]

The only surprise I got from that link is my computer wont load it. lol

279 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:34:17pm

re: #273 Gus

They gonna rick-roll you.

280 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:34:59pm

re: #96 Kragar

That whitewashes it a bit. Roosevelt was definitely racist, but he thought he was being scientific about it. These days, he'd almost certainly not be a racist because he'd be educated, but he really did hold racist views (most problematically, that the Japanese were racially superior to their neighbors and should be allowed to dominate them.)

281 The Mongoose  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:35:02pm

re: #274 DisturbedEma

No it was into the Tao of Pooh. . .

Youtube Video
282 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:35:04pm

re: #278 Tigger2

The only surprise I got from that link is my computer wont load it. lol

re: #279 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

They gonna rick-roll you.

I Tweeted this 49 minutes ago.

283 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:36:21pm

re: #276 Ghost of Tom Joad

Is what's up there now. It was something people only discuss in...private rooms. Away from you people.

Yep, posted 4 minutes ago.

So sorry I showed my true colors when posting in a private forum.

284 researchok  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:36:34pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

Tech note on the optimizations I've been doing:

With small data sets, SELECT DISTINCT works very fast. But with larger data sets, SELECT DISTINCT is evil and very, very slow.

I refactored the query that gets your complete list of tags for LGF Pages (in order to make suggestions) so that it returns the full list including duplicates, then uses PHP's array_unique to remove the duplicates instead of SELECT DISTINCT. Much, much quicker for large data sets, and slightly slower for small ones.

I noticed this was a problem from watching the MySQL queries with mytop, and seeing that every time researchok opened the LGF Pages posting window, it was taking 20 seconds or more to pull out all his tags from the DB -- he currently has more than 50,000 distinct tags. The new method eliminates this bottleneck.

I'm not sure what that means but I'm grateful.

Will the link to the Pages be back soon?

285 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:37:46pm

re: #280 Obdicut

That whitewashes it a bit. Roosevelt was definitely racist, but he thought he was being scientific about it. These days, he'd almost certainly not be a racist because he'd be educated, but he really did hold racist views (most problematically, that the Japanese were racially superior to their neighbors and should be allowed to dominate them.)

I think there's a huge generational component to this. My grandmother used to refer to the youngest two adopted grandchildren as "my little brown grandchildren," but she did it while holding them in her lap and feeding them cookies. There was no hate in her heart, but she hadn't been taught that some ways of speaking can be hurtful.

She was a big believer in cookies.

286 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:38:26pm

re: #282 Gus

re: #279 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I Tweeted this 49 minutes ago.

[Embedded content]

Youtube Video
287 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:38:34pm

re: #281 The Mongoose

OMG. . .thanks for this, I sooooo needed that today:)

288 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:38:50pm

re: #285 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Updinged for the cookies. Mmmmm! :-)

289 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:39:59pm

re: #285 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I think there's a huge generational component to this. My grandmother used to refer to the youngest two adopted grandchildren as "my little brown grandchildren," but she did it while holding them in her lap and feeding them cookies. There was no hate in her heart, but she hadn't been taught that some ways of speaking can be hurtful.

She was a big believer in cookies.

The older generations were raised on that worldview, it's hard as hell for them to just give it up. I know my grandmother, loving person she is, still thinks of Dr. King as a "troublemaker" and has rather...colorful views of other races.

290 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:40:48pm

re: #285 Mostly sane, most of the time.

There is, but it's still excusing people in the past a little too much when they're actually as racist as Roosevelt was. There have been people since time immemorial who've risen above racism-- hell, the Romans weren't really racist at all, though they were massively culturalist. Roosevelt was a bit of a dilettante scientist, and unfortunately the pop science of the day supported the idea that the other races were 'less developed', using very ad hoc reasoning. There were many scientists and just smart people who saw through it and understood that the races were equal. They were few, and exception, but Teddy Roosevelt was a brilliant and inspired man-- it's a flaw in his character that that brilliance didn't extend where some of the other luminaries of his time did.

291 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:40:54pm

re: #285 Mostly sane, most of the time.

My grandma z'l was also very loving and kind, 3 of my aunts married Black men, and called one another "brother" at family functions, she would always ask, "Which one of you is the oldest brother?" She was not racist, she just had no understanding about the use of the word in different communities

292 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:42:22pm

Louisiana woman set on fire, ‘KKK’ painted on her car

Police in Winnsboro, Louisiana confirmed on Monday that a woman had been set on fire over the weekend and racial slurs were found scrawled on her car.

Sharmeka Moffitt told police that she was attacked and burned by three men wearing white hoodies at a park in Franklin Parish on Sunday, according to KNOE.

At a press conference on Monday, police said that the letters “KKK” were spray-painted on the hood of her car.

Winnsboro Police Chief Kevin Cobb said that the FBI was investigating whether the incident was a hate crime, but authorities declined to classify the attack as racially motivated on Monday.

293 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:43:03pm

Just thinking...why would Trump drop his "bombshell" two days after the debate? Wouldn't it be much better to do that today? Get Obama freaked out or something? Geez, the guy's got no sense of timing.//

294 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:43:09pm

Cokie Roberts said a dumb thing on NPR this morning. She said "abortion is a settled issue." And now I see she said this about the Democratic convention:

“I think this Democratic convention was really over the top in terms of abortion,” Roberts added. “Every single speaker talked about abortion — and, you know, at some point, you start to alienate people. Thirty percent of Democrats are pro-life.”

Sounds like she has an agenda.

I have a theory that she hates women. She was so rude to Renee Montagne about a year ago, that she was pulled from the air for a few weeks, and when they let her back on, it was months before they put her back on with Renee, and they still don't let her say goodbye at the end of her segment. The incident with Renee was something like this:

Renee: "Thank you Cokie, always good to have you on."

Cokie: "Mmm hmmm."

Apparently that was the last straw after being more subtle about it for a long time.

295 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:43:27pm

re: #292 Kragar

Louisiana woman set on fire, ‘KKK’ painted on her car

I sure hope they find those assholes.

296 Mattand  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:43:55pm

re: #211 Ghost of Tom Joad

From my personal experience, racism is a very male-oriented malediction.

Spend some time with some of the women in my family. Shit, for that matter, in certain neighborhoods in Philly. YMMV, but racism has been pretty equal opportunity in the Delaware Valley.

I can't even begin to imagine what it's like down South.

297 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:44:43pm

re: #118 darthstar

Hey Californians! Wake the fuck up!

Image: 403707_10151162291133673_1046547258_n.jpg

Go Giants! Lucky I have a DVR cause the most important story will Be the Giants-Cards game 7 tonight..
go Giants!

298 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:45:35pm

re: #292 Kragar

Sharmeka Moffitt told police that she was attacked and burned by three men wearing white hoodies at a park in Franklin Parish on Sunday, according to KNOE.

Geraldo was right!!!

Wait a minute....

299 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:45:53pm

re: #292 Kragar

Louisiana woman set on fire, ‘KKK’ painted on her car

Freep has determined that this is a Tawana Brawley operation.

300 The Mongoose  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:46:19pm

re: #293 Sionainn

Just thinking...why would Trump drop his "bombshell" two days after the debate? Wouldn't it be much better to do that today? Get Obama freaked out or something? Geez, the guy's got no sense of timing.//

The whole thing is moronic. If you actually had something and actually wanted it to hurt the President, you wouldn't announce when you're going to drop it and make a spectacle of it. You quietly leak it to a few media outlets and just watch it explode. You don't give the other side time to prepare and you don't give advance notice. Trump is just trying to get some cameras pointed at himself.

301 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:46:39pm

Damn, Destro is annoying. Now he goes conflating the Tuareg and Bedouin. Anyway, up to a vote here, how should I deal with him?

302 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:47:00pm

re: #292 Kragar

Louisiana woman set on fire, ‘KKK’ painted on her car

Sharmeka Moffitt

white hoodies, “KKK” were spray-painted on the hood of her car.

but authorities declined to classify the attack as racially motivated on Monday.

I...just can't. For every captain obvious in this country, there has to be at least 100 of the captain oblivious variety.

303 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:47:11pm

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Freep has determined that this is a Tawana Brawley operation.

They're sure every case of overt racism is either A) overblown by the "race pimps," or B) an absolute fabrication.

304 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:47:14pm

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Freep has determined that this is a Tawana Brawley operation.

Well, glad that is settled then.
///

305 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:47:35pm

re: #301 ProGunLiberal

Damn, Destro is annoying. Now he goes conflating the Tuareg and Bedouin. Anyway, up to a vote here, how should I deal with him?

If he makes you angry, ignore him. It's not worth it.

306 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:47:57pm

re: #300 The Mongoose

Especially since early voting has already started. Trump is full of shit...as always.

307 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:47:58pm

re: #301 ProGunLiberal

Damn, Destro is annoying. Now he goes conflating the Tuareg and Bedouin. Anyway, up to a vote here, how should I deal with him?

GAZE.

He'll find your buttons and push them every time. Sounds like he already found at least one.

308 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:48:28pm

In fact, Teddy Roosevelt shows us why these fights over points of view are so goddamn vital. It is absolutely poisonous for the GOP to be tolerating racism in the way that they do, because being brilliant and inspired and a good person is not an antidote to racism, if you're brought up in it. Teddy Roosevelt was an amazing man, but thanks to being taught that racism had scientific basis, being told that blacks were inferior and would always need to depend on the white races, he believed in it. If Teddy Roosevelt can be fooled, then anyone can. It is really, really important that we maintain scientific standards in our schools, and not let religion and "American exceptionalism" that whitewashes slavery and the persecution of Native Americans take over.

309 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:48:56pm

re: #301 ProGunLiberal

Damn, Destro is annoying. Now he goes conflating the Tuareg and Bedouin. Anyway, up to a vote here, how should I deal with him?

You, in particular, should ignore him. He will set you off in a bad way and not be good for you.

310 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:49:06pm

re: #307 wrenchwench

Oh yeah. Libya.

I never heard of him before I just came back. Who is he exactly?

311 researchok  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:49:21pm

George McGovern, a pacifist who wanted to bomb Auschwitz

George McGovern is widely remembered for advocating immediate American withdrawal from Vietnam and sharp reductions in defense spending. Yet despite his reputation as a pacifist, the former U.S. senator and 1972 presidential candidate, who died Sunday at 90, did believe there were times when America should use military force abroad.

Case in point: the Allies' failure to bomb Auschwitz, an episode with which McGovern had a little-known personal connection.

In June 1944, the Roosevelt administration received a detailed report about Auschwitz from two escapees who described the mass-murder process and drew diagrams pinpointing the gas chambers and crematoria. Jewish organizations repeatedly asked U.S. officials to order the bombing of Auschwitz and the railroad lines leading to the camp. The proposal was rejected on the grounds that it would require “considerable diversion” of planes that were needed elsewhere for the war effort. One U.S. official claimed that bombing Auschwitz "might provoke even more vindictive action by the Germans."

Enter McGovern. In World War II, the 22-year-old son of a South Dakota pastor piloted a B-24 "Liberator" bomber. Among his targets: German synthetic oil factories in occupied Poland -- some of them less than five miles from the Auschwitz gas chambers

More.

312 Joanne  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:51:09pm

As a side note on Trump, a friend of mine went to one of DT's real estate seminars and was interviewed by a local paper. He said he wasn't a big Donald fan (nothing at all about what an asshole DT is, just some nothing comment), but since my friend's name was shown in the article, he started getting hate mail.

313 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:51:25pm

re: #310 ProGunLiberal

Oh yeah. Libya.

I never heard of him before I just came back. Who is he exactly?

I don't know, but I believe he's a recovering wingnut.

He likes to argue.

He and researchok have become best friends. ///

314 researchok  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:52:10pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

You have a penchant for understatement.

315 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:52:20pm

re: #313 wrenchwench

I don't know, but I believe he's a recovering wingnut.

He likes to argue.

He and researchok have become best friends. ///

If that's the case he pivoted too far to the other side.
:P

316 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:53:00pm

re: #310 ProGunLiberal

Listen to your Uncle Obdi.

317 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:53:34pm

re: #314 researchok

You have a penchant for understatement.

I lost the giant sarc tags CuriousLurker gave us.

318 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:54:04pm

re: #317 wrenchwench

I lost the giant sarc tags CuriousLurker gave us.

I stole them.
*Laugh maniacally*

319 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:54:15pm

re: #301 ProGunLiberal

Damn, Destro is annoying. Now he goes conflating the Tuareg and Bedouin. Anyway, up to a vote here, how should I deal with him?

Destro is a Weeble, he wobbles but he won't fall down. He's a weird mix of patently dickish with occasional flashes of actual insight. Basically I ignore him out of principal, because there's little indication that anything can get through his armor of know it all cocksure preconceptions.

320 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:55:00pm

re: #318 Varek Raith

I stole them.
*Laugh maniacally*

[Dobro slide.]

321 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:55:10pm

re: #170 DisturbedEma

We aren't all beer guzzling cheese eaters. . .well, ok yes we are, but we've got class;)

Hey my friend! I bought a farm in Northern Wisc. I'm retiring in the new year to become a green acres kind of guy. When I got that check..I made a list of dreams. Hanging in Napa, A flat in SF. Overseas somewhere, Montreal, My favorite city. I choose to buy a little farm in Wisc. It's a neat farm house that sleeps 10. I'm effen jacked

322 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:55:20pm

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Freep has determined that this is a Tawana Brawley operation.

Burning yourself over 90% of your body is a rather extreme length to go to in order to deceive people, don't you think?

She probably didn't mean to get burned that bad, dumb hoe probably forgot about "stop, drop, and roll" once she lit herself!

323 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:56:05pm

re: #321 Digital Display

Hey my friend! I bought a farm in Northern Wisc. I'm retiring in the new year to become a green acres kind of guy. When I got that check..I made a list of dreams. Hanging in Napa, A flat in SF. Overseas somewhere, Montreal, My favorite city. I choose to buy a little farm in Wisc. It's a neat farm house that sleeps 10. I'm effen jacked

Room for a Fortress of Doom?

324 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 3:57:33pm

re: #322 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Burning yourself over 90% of your body is a rather extreme length to go to in order to deceive people, don't you think?

Are you arguing with the finest tele-forensic minds on the Internet?

325 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:01:00pm

re: #322 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Burning yourself over 90% of your body is a rather extreme length to go to in order to deceive people, don't you think?

A woman up here rubbed acid all over her face and then blamed a random black woman who never existed.

I am not saying that is this. I am just saying that there are mentally ill people in this world.

326 researchok  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:01:40pm

Overheard recently at the Harris Teeter fresh meat case, a comment on the chicken sale:

"The cheaper the chicken, the better the taste"

Argue with that.

327 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:03:54pm

re: #326 researchok

Overheard recently at the Harris Teeter fresh meat case, a comment on the chicken sale:

Argue with that.

The cheaper the chicken, the more I worry where that chicken came from. It's like seeing a value bin labeled "Meat."

328 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:03:56pm

Only comment here: Italy produced Da Vinci and Michelangelo. Now it's down to this.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

329 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:04:43pm

re: #326 researchok

Overheard recently at the Harris Teeter fresh meat case, a comment on the chicken sale:

Argue with that.

If I hadn't been to North Carolina a few years ago, and therefore found out what a Harris Teeter is, I wouldn't even know what that comment meant.

Did you know the chickens you buy to eat are usually less than two months old when they're butchered? Maybe the younger they are, the cheaper and better tasting.

330 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:06:43pm

re: #328 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Only comment here: Italy produced Da Vinci and Michelangelo. Now it's down to this.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

One mans slightly creepy voyeurism is another mans art?

331 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:08:25pm

re: #328 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Only comment here: Italy produced Da Vinci and Michelangelo. Now it's down to this.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Link goes to a weird story about Vienna. If you meant the Italian earthquake court case, don't worry. It has nothing to do with Italy, science, justice, or earthquakes.

332 researchok  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:08:36pm

re: #329 wrenchwench

I'm in NC- and chicken here has to be good.

There is a lot competition here for BBQ chicken, fried chicken and every variety of chicken you can think of. If you serve average chicken here, you're out of business.

333 researchok  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:09:47pm

re: #332 researchok

And chicken recipes here are guarded like the gold at Fort Knox.

334 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:09:56pm

re: #323 Varek Raith

Room for a Fortress of Doom?

It's has been some interesting challenges.. Close to 3 grand on plumbing..And hiring a utility guy to upgrade the place. But soon..
I'll wake up and fix a cup of Kona coffee, look out the kitchen window as Winston chases chickens around the farm. and be at peace with the world..
God Willing

335 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:10:41pm

My coworker just had to stop and ask if I was okay, I still don't know the answer.

Youtube Video
336 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:10:45pm

Historical gender gap = Anybody not an angry white male or married to an angry white male is voting for Democrats this year.

337 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:11:21pm

re: #334 Digital Display

It's has been some interesting challenges.. Close to 3 grand on plumbing..And hiring a utility guy to upgrade the place. But soon..
I'll wake up and fix a cup of Kona coffee, look out the kitchen window as Winston chases chickens around the farm. and be at peace with the world..
God Willing

Did the nice real estate lady mention Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, and Apr?

338 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:12:06pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

Cokie Roberts said a dumb thing on NPR this morning. She said "abortion is a settled issue." And now I see she said this about the Democratic convention:

Sounds like she has an agenda.

I have a theory that she hates women. She was so rude to Renee Montagne about a year ago, that she was pulled from the air for a few weeks, and when they let her back on, it was months before they put her back on with Renee, and they still don't let her say goodbye at the end of her segment. The incident with Renee was something like this:

Renee: "Thank you Cokie, always good to have you on."

Cokie: "Mmm hmmm."

Apparently that was the last straw after being more subtle about it for a long time.

You (or anyone) listen to Marketplace this afternoon? Segment with UF law prof about being fired for voting the 'wrong' way.

Dude gave a "Go Gators" at the end. I whooped.

339 God of Binders with Women  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:12:21pm

re: #335 Kragar

My coworker just had to stop and ask if I was okay, I still don't know the answer.

[Embedded content]

OMFG!!! That was awesome!

340 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:12:45pm

re: #335 Kragar

My coworker just had to stop and ask if I was okay, I still don't know the answer.

[Embedded content]

Seems legit.

341 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:14:38pm

re: #340 Varek Raith

Seems legit.

BEST

GAME

EVER

I'll throw first.

342 Velvet Elvis  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:17:24pm

Hey, what time is the debate tonight?

343 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:17:53pm

re: #342 Velvet Elvis

Hey, what time is the debate tonight?

9PM Eastern

344 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:19:24pm

re: #338 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

You (or anyone) listen to Marketplace this afternoon? Segment with UF law prof about being fired for voting the 'wrong' way.

Dude gave a "Go Gators" at the end. I whooped.

I can't get any radio here in my cave at work, except the station Limbaugh's on for some infernal reason. So I only hear NPR in the AM and PM, and not in between. I can, of course, tune in on my computer, which I may do tonight, and crank it up during the debate while I finish work on the shop rearrangement.

345 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:19:40pm

re: #337 Decatur Deb

Did the nice real estate lady mention Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar, and Apr?

LOL.. Big fireplace and plenty of room for books. I need a big truck.
Although driving into town in the winter with a red Beemer with Oklahoma plates should be interesting. Can't find a High speed ISP, They don't even deliver mail there. I need to get a PO box in town. Ill be able to get DSL at best

346 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:19:43pm

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict the side loses the debate will complain about the moderator.

347 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:20:51pm

re: #345 Digital Display

LOL.. Big fireplace and plenty of room for books. I need a big truck.
Although driving into town in the winter with a red Beemer with Oklahoma plates should be interesting. Can't find a High speed ISP, They don't even deliver mail there. I need to get a PO box in town. I'm be able to get DSL at best

Ah, at last. Someone to fill Walter's niche.

348 researchok  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:32:35pm

re: #344 wrenchwench

Karma!

///

349 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:34:54pm

re: #335 Kragar

My coworker just had to stop and ask if I was okay, I still don't know the answer.

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E gad. One of my sisters had four boys. That totally looks like something they would've tried.

Like the "bombs" they were dropping on each other out of the two-story wooden fort my dad built them. Kid comes in head gushing blood; sister applies pressure to stop bleeding and asks what they were using for bombs; kid responds, "Bricks". *sister disappears in a cloud of dust, just like in the cartoons*

Or playing good guy/bad guy cowboys. Kid comes in saying brother can't breathe; sister is immediately on her feet screaming, "Where is he??" Kid responds, "Hanging from the tree in the backyard." Yes, literally hanging—by the neck, from a real rope. Explanation? "Well, he was the bad guy!"

God bless her, I don't know how she survived raising those boys without developing PTSD. It's a miracle all of them made it to adulthood.

350 Mattand  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:38:38pm

re: #323 Varek Raith

Room for a Fortress of Doom?

If there's room for a Team Fortress 2 of Doom, I call Medic.

351 researchok  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:38:47pm
"bricks"

LOLOL

352 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:39:31pm

re: #321 Digital Display

Hey my friend! I bought a farm in Northern Wisc. I'm retiring in the new year to become a green acres kind of guy. When I got that check..I made a list of dreams. Hanging in Napa, A flat in SF. Overseas somewhere, Montreal, My favorite city. I choose to buy a little farm in Wisc. It's a neat farm house that sleeps 10. I'm effen jacked

!!!!! Kewl Beanz! What part if you don't mind a possibly near neighbor asking?

Wait? Was that your truck I dodged today? /// Nah, seriously, it's wonderful up here in the woods. I hope you like it here.

353 danarchy  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:42:25pm

re: #342 Velvet Elvis

Hey, what time is the debate tonight?

Whose bright idea was it to schedule a debate opposite Monday night football and Game seven of the NLDS?

I guess you could argue they didn't know about the baseball schedule ahead of time, but monday night football is always on monday night.

354 Digital Display  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:43:11pm

re: #352 William Barnett-Lewis

!!!!! Kewl Beanz! What part if you don't mind a possibly near neighbor asking?

Wait? Was that your truck I dodged today? /// Nah, seriously, it's wonderful up here in the woods. I hope you like it here.

I hope we are neighbors. I bought a place by Lake Tomahawk.

355 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:43:16pm

re: #353 danarchy

Whose bright idea was it to schedule a debate opposite Monday night football and Game seven of the NLDS?

I guess you could argue they didn't know about the baseball schedule ahead of time, but monday night football is always on monday night.

Mitt forgot to ask his friends who own football teams.

356 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:49:43pm

We're in Hayward which is about 3 hours east. Easy peasy to get together for a BBQ sometime.

I'll have to get you my email one of these days.


Some beautiful peaceful places up here. Did you vote absentee in Ok? If not, when did you move in state? Might still be able to register you here - we do election day registration if you meet residency requirements.

357 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:26:03pm

re: #321 Digital Display

Welcome to our state, I am actually on the lake, between Milwaukee and Green Bay- born and raised Wisconsin girl:)

358 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:34:16pm

re: #346 Killgore Trout

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict the side loses the debate will complain about the moderator.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict the 'winner' and the 'loser' of the debate will not depend on factual accuracy of positions or consistency with previous positions.

359 aug3  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:40:34pm

the "beauty" of this 2 party system, is you get to change kings every 4 years, it's hard to get enough people pissed off to over-throw the government in such a short amount of time.

360 CuriousLurker  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:56:32pm

re: #317 wrenchwench

I lost the giant sarc tags CuriousLurker gave us.

Here ya' go.


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