Colin Powell Endorses Barack Obama for President

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President Obama picked up another big (if unsurprising) endorsement today: Colin Powell Endorses Barack Obama for President.

(CBS News) Former Secretary of State Colin Powell broke with the Republican party during the 2008 election, to endorse then-candidate Barack Obama for president, calling Obama a “transformational figure.”

With 12 days to go before the presidential election, Powell publicly endorsed President Obama for re-election on “CBS This Morning” Thursday

“I voted for him in 2008 and I plan to stick with him in 2012

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1 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:27:21am

And I'm sure we will be hearing from the usual suspects that Powell only supports him because of race. John McCain is showing a lot of bitterness Powell's way at this news. Anyhow, not surprised that Powell's backing Obama.

2 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:28:10am
And I'm sure we will be hearing from the usual suspects that Powell only supports him because of race.

Done. There's a Destro page on it.

3 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:29:10am
As I have said before, anyone who votes for Obama this year after watching him the past 4 years should take a mandatory citizenship test and, if failed, be stripped of citizenship and deported.

This means you too General Powell.
1 posted on Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:14:45 AM by bestintxas

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

4 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:29:13am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

And I'm sure we will be hearing from the usual suspects that Powell only supports him because of race. John McCain is showing a lot of bitterness Powell's way at this news. Anyhow, not surprised that Powell's backing Obama.

Yeah, I read McCain's comments on Powell's endorsement. Man used to sound like a honest & decent man, now he sounds like just another partisan hack.

5 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:29:44am

Unfortunately the second most disgraced Bush admin official, maybe 3rd behind Rummy. The UN speech... He will be dismissed just like last time by the right. I cited a good reason. Then we will hear the racial epithets again.

6 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:29:57am
Powell expressed his concern about Republican candidate Mitt Romney's changing positions on international affairs. "The governor who was saying things at the debate on Monday night ... was saying things that were quite different from what he said earlier.

I'm not quite sure which Gov. Romney we would be getting with respect to foreign policy."

"One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal, same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign. And my concern ... is that sometimes I don't sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have."

Heh, indeedy.

7 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:29:59am

re: #4 Targetpractice

Yeah, I read McCain's comments on Powell's endorsement. Man used to sound like a honest & decent man, now he sounds like just another partisan hack.

It's really sad. I used to respect McCain quite a bit. And now he yeah sounds like just another partisan hack.

8 AK-47%  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:31:31am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

It's really sad. I used to respect McCain quite a bit. And now he yeah sounds like just another partisan hack.

Funny, some Arizona politicians mellow with age...not this one, though.

9 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:31:40am

KT says.....FAKE STORY

10 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:32:01am

re: #6 Bulworth

"One day he has a certain strong view about staying in Afghanistan but then on Monday night he agrees with the withdrawal, same thing in Iraq. On almost every issue that was discussed on Monday night, Governor Romney agreed with the President with some nuances. But this is quite a different set of foreign policy views than he had earlier in the campaign. And my concern ... is that sometimes I don't sense that he has thought through these issues as thoroughly as he should have."

Heh, indeedy.

Powell gets it. This is Mitt's MO in general though. He'll sound one way one time and sound another way at other times. It makes me thinks that he only tells audiences what they want to hear and that he has no sincere views of his own or of his views that are sincere, they stink and only benefit the wealthy.

11 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:32:58am

re: #8 AK-47%

Funny, some Arizona politicians mellow with age...not this one, though.

Take it you're talking about Goldwater in particular here. Yeah, McCain's become real nasty with age. As I said downstairs, I think that many and I include myself had a rosy image of him from 2000.

12 Sophist, Gingham Style  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:33:38am

re: #7 HappyWarrior

It's really sad. I used to respect McCain quite a bit. And now he yeah sounds like just another partisan hack.

McCain's always been a cranky old hack. It's just that some of the targets of his cranky hackery used to deserve it.

13 AntonSirius  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:36:02am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

John McCain is showing a lot of bitterness Powell's way at this news.

Between Clint Eastwood and Jack Welch, McCain's suddenly got a lot of competition for his usual role as the Republican who wants the damn kids off his lawn. He's had to step up his game.

14 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:36:02am

re: #12 Sophist, Gingham Style

McCain's always been a cranky old hack. It's just that some of the targets of his cranky hackery used to deserve it.

Yeah, I think I was as I said guilty of believing "Maverick McCain" from 2000.

15 darthstar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:36:12am

Powell's endorsement in 2008 came as a shock to the McCain campaign, as it showed a break in the Bush alliance. This year, some were wondering if Powell was just waiting for the Foreign Policy debate or if he was seriously considering Mitt Romney - and used that possibility to show Obama losing support among respected political figures. Had he endorsed Romney, we would hear nothing but 24/7 talk about how doomed, doomed, DOOMED President Obama was. Now it's just an endorsement and probably "doesn't mean all that much" according to Republicans.

16 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:38:24am

re: #15 darthstar

Powell's endorsement in 2008 came as a shock to the McCain campaign, as it showed a break in the Bush alliance. This year, some were wondering if Powell was just waiting for the Foreign Policy debate or if he was seriously considering Mitt Romney - and used that possibility to show Obama losing support among respected political figures. Had he endorsed Romney, we would hear nothing but 24/7 talk about how doomed, doomed, DOOMED President Obama was. Now it's just an endorsement and probably "doesn't mean all that much" according to Republicans.

I think part of the reason why the 2008 Powell endorsement was shocking was that Powell had actually endorsed McCain when he ran in the primaries but my guess is he saw what McCain started pandering to along with Obama proving not to the left wing ideologue he's made out to be. I agree though, they will treat this as just as another endorsement even though if he had endorsed Romney as you say, they'd be talking about Obama was doomed.

17 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:39:44am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

I think part of the reason why the 2008 Powell endorsement was shocking was that Powell had actually endorsed McCain when he ran in the primaries but my guess is he saw what McCain started pandering to along with Obama proving not to the left wing ideologue he's made out to be. I agree though, they will treat this as just as another endorsement even though if he had endorsed Romney as you say, they'd be talking about Obama was doomed.

I love how everything tilts that way - minor effect for, but massive against Obama. I guess the only thing that could be taken the other way would be Limbaugh endorsing Obama on the air (for POTUS).

18 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:41:24am

re: #15 darthstar

Had he endorsed Romney, we would hear nothing but 24/7 talk about how doomed, doomed, DOOMED President Obama was. Now it's just an endorsement and probably "doesn't mean all that much" according to Republicans.

Well, in fairness, I would agree with them. It's a bigger deal to get the swing than get the continuation.

19 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:45:06am
20 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:45:32am

re: #3 SpaceJesus

As I have said before, anyone who votes for Obama this year after watching him the past 4 years should take a mandatory citizenship test and, if failed, be stripped of citizenship and deported.
This means you too General Powell.
1 posted on Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:14:45 AM by bestintxas

As long as everyone who passes the citizenship test gets to kick bestintxas in the balls as hard as they possibly can.

21 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:47:31am

re: #19 wrenchwench

romneysurge.png

22 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:49:00am

re: #21 erik_t

romneysurge.png

Gus will have to do a "Surge" sticker now with the Romney "R" and a downward trending graph in the background.

23 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:49:07am

re: #19 wrenchwench

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If anything, the momentum looks like it's slowly returning to Obama, considering he's gained a point a day in Gallup.

24 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:49:46am

And Obama's back above 60% in Intrade! LIES!!!

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25 AK-47%  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:50:02am

Gainsbourg Serge

26 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:50:10am

Read an article that says Obama's basically going nationwide while Romney is pretty much focusing on Ohio. I think the president's strategy is the much more prudent one.

27 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:50:44am

This means you too General Powell

fortunate for ronald reagan that he wasn't around long enough to hear himself damned for heresy by some asshole in a trailer park

28 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:50:55am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Read an article that says Obama's basically going nationwide while Romney is pretty much focusing on Ohio. I think the president's strategy is the much more prudent one.

"Putting all the eggs in one basket" generally is a very poor late game strategy.

29 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:50:56am

re: #9 JamesWI

KT says.....FAKE STORY

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Either this guy has the world's worst accountants, or he's lying through his teeth to push his personal political agenda:

In his email, White said the firm's retirement savings program contributions were based on after-tax profits.

"The tax rate we pay is not 17%, as Warren Buffett would have you believe; with state taxes it is roughly 45%. President Obama has announced that our planned tax rate would increase to roughly 65%, reducing our after tax income by 36% and dramatically reducing, if not eliminating, your and my RSP contributions."

The company itself pays no taxes - as all financials of S-Corporations are not held within the company itself but are passed through to the shareholders as personal income - and only net profit/loss is subject to taxation, not gross corporate income. The maximum effective rate that Mr. White would pay on this income would be very close to the 17% for federal taxes, and is a flat 7.9% for Wisconsin state taxes.

30 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:50:58am

re: #20 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

As long as everyone who passes the citizenship test gets to kick him in the balls as hard as they possibly can.

And I would bet my left nut that asshole would maybe get 10 out of 50 questions correct on the test.

31 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:51:31am

re: #28 Targetpractice

"Putting all the eggs in one basket" generally is a very poor late game strategy.

Yep.

32 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:52:06am

re: #30 Eventual Carrion

And I would bet my left nut that asshole would maybe get 10 out of 50 questions correct on the test.

What do you mean the Constitution doesn't say anything about the Bible and not allowing gays to marry and allows me to own a rocket launcher.

33 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:52:42am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Yep.

Though his surrogates and the media pundits have been trying to make up the difference, see their assertions since Monday that the "bayonets and horses" zinger means that Obama has "thrown away Virginia," even as polls show him regaining ground in VA.

34 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:53:08am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Read an article that says Obama's basically going nationwide while Romney is pretty much focusing on Ohio. I think the president's strategy is the much more prudent one.

Someone was commenting here at work that with the Romney "surge" and taking PA back into consideration they expected to see more visibility from the Romney campaign here. Given that they've pulled personnel and spending already it's probably hard to quickly reverse that. Or possibly the internals show that PA is pretty much out of reach still.

Obama is probably also working nationwide in order to help the party in general. Coattails are going to mean quite a bit in the next couple of years.

35 Joanne  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:53:12am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

I think one thing made Powell go Obama in 08: Palin.

36 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:53:14am

surge

given the kind of specious crapola that wingnuts have allowed themselves to accept as "logic" over the past 30 years - are you surprised?

37 darthstar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:54:02am

Wow.

38 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:54:07am

re: #33 Targetpractice

Though his surrogates and the media pundits have been trying to make up the difference, see their assertions since Monday that the "bayonets and horses" zinger means that Obama has "thrown away Virginia," even as polls show him regaining ground in VA.

Yeah I see that. That's laughable. I think Obama will win here. It will be tighter than last time but I think he ultimately comes up victorious here. Of course, if he does, the wingnuts will just bitch about "Commie country" aka Northern Virginia.

39 S'latch  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:54:35am

I just can't imagine how they will rationalize this or what they will they have to say about Colin Powell.

40 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:55:12am

re: #35 Joanne

I think one thing made Powell go Obama in 08: Palin.

Well that kind of goes what I said about McCain pandering. But that's a great point too.

41 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:55:38am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Read an article that says Obama's basically going nationwide while Romney is pretty much focusing on Ohio. I think the president's strategy is the much more prudent one.

Something in excess of 90% of Silver's current predictions have the Ohio winner winning the election. While this rather overstates the independence of trends in different states, there are much more foolish strategies than focusing strongly on Ohio.

42 darthstar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:55:49am
43 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:56:07am

re: #9 JamesWI

KT says.....FAKE STORY

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Hrmmm...

Mike White, the chairman and owner of Rite-Hite, a major Milwaukee manufacturer of industrial equipment, told employees in an email this week that all employees "should understand the personal consequences to them of having our tax rates increase dramatically if President Obama is re-elected, forcing taxpayers to fund President Obama's future deficits and social programs (including Obamacare), which require bigger government."

The email stunned some employees. One employee said he felt threatened by the email. "It's a good company, but for this to come out, it's absurd," the employee said.

The employee said even supervisors were surprised by the tone of the email.

White did not return several calls requesting comment. He is a trustee for the Village of River Hills, and serves on the Summerfest board and the Concordia University Wisconsin Foundation board, among others. The firm employs an estimated 1,400 people worldwide.

In his email, White said neither he nor the company wanted to “prejudice any employee for their political views and totally respect your right to vote as you choose. I am simply trying to present the facts as I know them and to protect the business you have helped build! Please think carefully about your vote on Nov. 6.”

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Bullshit...

44 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:56:25am

Obama in VA

[Link: twitter.com...]

45 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:56:28am

re: #37 darthstar

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Wow.

Holy God. I've run the Mt. SAC course. It is not fast.

She, though. She is fast.

Jesus.

46 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:57:05am

re: #41 erik_t

Something in excess of 90% of Silver's current predictions have the Ohio winner winning the election. While this rather overstates the independence of trends in different states, there are much more foolish strategies than focusing strongly on Ohio.

I agree. I just think the president is smarter to concentrate on all the tight states than one close state.

47 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:57:21am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Yeah I see that. That's laughable. I think Obama will win here. It will be tighter than last time but I think he ultimately comes up victorious here. Of course, if he does, the wingnuts will just bitch about "Commie country" aka Northern Virginia.

Oh yeah, everything north of Richmond being "Lower D.C." That's because most of the rednecks down here towards the state line are so deep into the DoD's coffers that they'd fight you for every last dollar.

Except if you're on the city councils, where thumbing your nose at the Navy even as its threatening to pull up sticks is a way of life.

48 Joanne  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:58:16am

re: #20 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

As long as everyone who passes the citizenship test gets to kick bestintxas in the balls as hard as they possibly can.

I had a guy I knew ask me to kick him in the nuts because he never had been before. I told him to get help. I told him I could never do that unless I felt threatened.

I recind that now. Is it one at a time or can we do tag team kicking?

I'm tired of these assholes questioning Real Americans, our allegiance, our basic right to be American, as if only they are valid. Fuck them.

49 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 11:59:04am

re: #47 Targetpractice

Oh yeah, everything north of Richmond being "Lower D.C." That's because most of the rednecks down here towards the state line are so deep into the DoD's coffers that they'd fight you for every last dollar.

Except if you're on the city councils, where thumbing your nose at the Navy even as its threatening to pull up sticks is a way of life.

I still remember McCain's dickhead brother calling Northern Va, commie country. It's like motherfucker if you hate it so much here, why live here even? And I still haven't forgotten Palin who probably had never once visited our state once talking about how glad she was to be in "real Virginia." I'll give Romney-Ryan grudging credit for not engaging in that shit though it wouldn't shock me if they have.

50 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:00:50pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I still remember McCain's dickhead brother calling Northern Va, commie country. It's like motherfucker if you hate it so much here, why live here even? And I still haven't forgotten Palin who probably had never once visited our state once talking about how glad she was to be in "real Virginia." I'll give Romney-Ryan grudging credit for not engaging in that shit though it wouldn't shock me if they have.

I'm not giving Romney or Ryan credit for shit, as heinous as they are.

Just because they haven't said it doesn't mean they haven't thought it...

51 Joanne  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:01:07pm

re: #44 SpaceJesus

Obama in VA

[Link: twitter.com...]

Beautiful. Just beautiful.

52 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:01:13pm

Things are getting real in NC


[Link: www.publicpolicypolling.com...]

53 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:01:59pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I still remember McCain's dickhead brother calling Northern Va, commie country. It's like motherfucker if you hate it so much here, why live here even? And I still haven't forgotten Palin who probably had never once visited our state once talking about how glad she was to be in "real Virginia." I'll give Romney-Ryan grudging credit for not engaging in that shit though it wouldn't shock me if they have.

They haven't said anything aloud, but you notice that the majority of their campaign stops in Virginia have been to the Hampton Roads region, between Newport News and VA Beach. They know who they want to play to, and that's the military voters they think they can win over by spinning yarns about how the defense sequestration means everything's gonna get shut down.

54 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:02:57pm

re: #52 SpaceJesus

Things are getting real in NC

[Link: www.publicpolicypolling.com...]

That truly will be a hell of a thing, if Obama takes NC despite every prediction right saying it'll go Romney. That's more points in his pocket that he can afford to bleed elsewhere.

55 darthstar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:03:46pm

I wanted to see what the freepers at RedState thought about Powell, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of him...funny that. But they do have a video that mocks the GM recovery...only thing is, it's actually not delivering its message very well and reminds us just how good the auto bailout was. Take a look.

Youtube Video

I will give them credit(whoever did the ad) for trying to be ironic, but nobody pictured seems to be upset with the Chevy they're driving.

56 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:03:53pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

That truly will be a hell of a thing, if Obama takes NC despite every prediction right saying it'll go Romney. That's more points in his pocket that he can afford to bleed elsewhere.

It would be delicious...

57 darthstar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:04:28pm

re: #45 erik_t

Holy God. I've run the Mt. SAC course. It is not fast.

She, though. She is fast.

Jesus.

She ran it in 16:41 last year...16:00 is almost unheard of.

58 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:06:37pm

re: #55 darthstar

I wanted to see what the freepers at RedState thought about Powell, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of him...funny that. But they do have a video that mocks the GM recovery...only thing is, it's actually not delivering its message very well and reminds us just how good the auto bailout was. Take a look.

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I will give them credit(whoever did the ad) for trying to be ironic, but nobody pictured seems to be upset with the Chevy they're driving.

Check over here, it's as stupid and vile as you'd expect. Not surprised though that they're generally avoiding talking about it, they didn't seem to get a lot of kind looks when they went off in '08.

59 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:06:46pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

What do you mean the Constitution doesn't say anything about the Bible and not allowing gays to marry and allows me to own a rocket launcher.

I love that the constitution mentions religion twice and these 'patriots' are bound and determined to shit all over both those constitutional guidelines.

Freedom of religion (no muslim temples or immigrants from muslim nations)

No religious litmus test for holding an elected position in the United States. (We must rule the land by the bibles laws, Which would mean that the elected person would HAVE to be christian to get elected)

60 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:07:06pm

re: #57 darthstar

She ran it in 16:41 last year...16:00 is almost unheard of.

Is there a statement from Ryan yet about running it in negative time?
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61 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:08:12pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

If the race is going to be close in NC, then Obama is very likely going to carry VA. If that happens, we have a quick election night.

62 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:08:18pm

This is the Republicans' last shot at the presidency for quite a while.

A new potential Latino voter turns 18 every 30 seconds.

63 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:10:06pm

re: #50 MittDoesNotCompute

I'm not giving Romney or Ryan credit for shit, as heinous as they are.

Just because they haven't said it doesn't mean they haven't thought it...

Yeah true.

64 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:10:14pm

re: #61 SpaceJesus

If the race is going to be close in NC, then Obama is very likely going to carry VA. If that happens, we have a quick election night.

I don't for a second believe the media's gonna do anything to let Election night go by quick. I expect to tune in at midnight and find Wolf still trying to argue that there's some hope for Romney waiting in obscure counties of the swing states. It'll be 98% of districts reporting in and he'll swear there's enough votes to tip the scales waiting in some backwater in Ohio.

65 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:10:27pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

And how many old white conservatives pass away each day? It's burning at both ends.

66 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:10:28pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

They haven't said anything aloud, but you notice that the majority of their campaign stops in Virginia have been to the Hampton Roads region, between Newport News and VA Beach. They know who they want to play to, and that's the military voters they think they can win over by spinning yarns about how the defense sequestration means everything's gonna get shut down.

Yeah I can tell who they're playing to with the ads I've seen.

67 Sophist, Gingham Style  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:11:01pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

This is the Republicans last shot at the presidency for quite a while.

A new potential Latino voter turns 18 every 30 seconds.

Or they could try to appeal to voters outside of the "old white guy" demographic.

...

...pffft, yeah, I couldn't type that with a straight face.

68 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:11:48pm

re: #66 HappyWarrior

Yeah I can tell who they're playing to with the ads I've seen.

Apparently we Virginians are worried about taxes, defense dollars, and school funding, to listen to most of the ads I've heard. Thing is, I think the first are too low, the second is too high, and the third is something the GOP has no fucking room to gripe about.

69 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:12:27pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

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70 AntonSirius  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:12:28pm

re: #54 Targetpractice

That truly will be a hell of a thing, if Obama takes NC despite every prediction right saying it'll go Romney. That's more points in his pocket that he can afford to bleed elsewhere.

If he wins NC, he won't be bleeding elsewhere... that would almost certainly mean something systematic going on across the board going Obama's way that wasn't showing up in the polls (for instance, the Dems' superior ground game.)

71 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:12:35pm

re: #67 Sophist, Gingham Style

Or they could try to appeal to voters outside of the "old white guy" demographic.

...

...pffft, yeah, I couldn't type that with a straight face.

That was part of my "quite a while" calculus. Otherwise I would have said "EVER". I'm assuming that after a few decades they'll face reality. Of course, I could certainly be wrong about that.

72 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:13:39pm

re: #67 Sophist, Gingham Style

Or they could try to appeal to voters outside of the " angry old white guy" demographic.

...

...pffft, yeah, I couldn't type that with a straight face.

Fixed with respect. But yeah their problem long term is they really don't have any mass appeal. As the country's demographics change, elections will be tougher for them and I think that's why sometimes the mask slips off sometimes. It's all their own fault though. That party has gone out of its way to alienate growing demographics. And even among today's younger conservative voters, the culture warrior shit has little appeal going forward.

73 darthstar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:14:21pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Check over here, it's as stupid and vile as you'd expect. Not surprised though that they're generally avoiding talking about it, they didn't seem to get a lot of kind looks when they went off in '08.

Dear god, they're unhinged.

74 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:14:33pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

Apparently we Virginians are worried about taxes, defense dollars, and school funding, to listen to most of the ads I've heard. Thing is, I think the first are too low, the second is too high, and the third is something the GOP has no fucking room to gripe about.

The funniest to me are the Allen ads that accuse Kaine of being a massive spender and then bash him for supporting some defense cuts.

75 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:15:47pm

re: #43 MittDoesNotCompute

Bullshit...

Notice the guys company is Rite-Hite. Bet the trees in his area are the right height too. No wonder Rmoney loves him right back.

76 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:16:36pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

The funniest to me are the Allen ads that accuse Kaine of being a massive spender and then bash him for supporting some defense cuts.

Nah, it's "He's a massive spender who cut school funding!!!"

...wait, what?

77 Amory Blaine  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:17:27pm

Wisconsin One-Percenter Threatens Worker Jobs If Obama Re-elected

Mike White, the chairman and owner of Rite-Hite, a major Milwaukee manufacturer of industrial equipment, told employees in an email this week that all employees "should understand the personal consequences to them of having our tax rates increase dramatically if President Obama is re-elected, forcing taxpayers to fund President Obama's future deficits and social programs (including Obamacare), which require bigger government."

Reminds me of an argument I had years back with a tavern owner. If your business model is so fragile that you can't absorb a once every ten years raise of $0.25 for minimum wage, then you're a piss poor business man and should GTFO.

78 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:17:43pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Nah, it's "He's a massive spender who cut school funding!!!"

...wait, what?

Yeah it's bizarre. But hey this is coming from a man whose political career got jump started because people loved the job his Dad did with the Skins.

79 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:19:51pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Wisconsin One-Percenter Threatens Worker Jobs If Obama Re-elected

Reminds me of an argument I had years back with a tavern owner. If your business model is so fragile that you can't absorb a once every ten years raise of $0.25 for minimum wage, then your a piss poor business man and should GTFO.

I liked hearing the guy who owns Papa Johns complaining that Obamacare has made his pizza prices go up. First off, his pizza ain't that good. Not Pizza Hut bad but it's not great(with apologies to my youngest brother who loves him some Papa Johns mainly because of the Garlic sauce), two Papa Johns reported record profits this past year. It's all so very amusing to hear these rich businessmen who are wealthier than ever under Obama complaining that Obama has made their businesses less robust.

80 GunstarGreen  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:21:09pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

The funniest to me are the Allen ads that accuse Kaine of being a massive spender and then bash him for supporting some defense cuts.

Remember, "Big Government" versus "Big Gub'Mint™". Spending is perfectly fine as long as you only spend on stuff that directly benefits me, or is ideologically in-line with my belief system.

81 darthstar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:21:30pm
82 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:22:51pm

re: #3 SpaceJesus

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

I'll betcha $10,000 I could pass that citizenship test while the moron who wrote that couldn't.

83 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:22:53pm

re: #39 S'latch

I just can't imagine how they will rationalize this or what they will they have to say about Colin Powell.

I saw someone on Twitter saying that closeted Breitbot Ben Shapiro already called him an "affirmative action General" today (I haven't seen the quote myself, so can't confirm. But it's right in line with all the other bigoted bullshit he spews).

And that's probably just the beginning.

84 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:22:59pm

re: #80 GunstarGreen

Remember, "Big Government" versus "Big Gub'Mint™". Spending is perfectly fine as long as you only spend on stuff that directly benefits me, or is ideologically in-line with my belief system.

Yeah I know but as Targetpractice points out, they're also accusing "Big Government Kaine" of supporting education cuts.

85 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:23:52pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Unlike Mitt Romney, whose plan to double the size of our Navy will not burden the pizza industry because every battle ship will have its own Papa Johns and be named after toppings.

86 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:24:20pm

re: #5 Daniel Ballard

Unfortunately the second most disgraced Bush admin official, maybe 3rd behind Rummy. The UN speech... He will be dismissed just like last time by the right. I cited a good reason. Then we will hear the racial epithets again.

Isn't Colin Powell the only one from that administration who said he regretted something he did (U.N. speech)?

87 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:24:21pm

re: #83 JamesWI

I saw someone on Twitter saying that closeted Breitbot Ben Shapiro already called him an "affirmative action General" today (I haven't seen the quote myself, so can't confirm. But it's right in line with all the other bigoted bullshit he spews).

And that's probably just the beginning.

So he's accusing Reagan and later H.W Bush of practicing Affirmative Action? Because Powell rose through the ranks during their presidencies. Shapiro's just a bitter little right wing shit who couldn't last a day in the US armed forces.

88 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:24:27pm

re: #81 darthstar

Obama taking up Parkour?

89 Amory Blaine  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:24:53pm

The USS Sausage Special.

90 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:25:20pm

re: #85 SpaceJesus

Unlike Mitt Romney, whose plan to double the size of our Navy will not burden the pizza industry because every battle ship will have its own Papa Johns and be named after toppings.

The U.S.S Feta Cheese with Spinach and Pepperoni. (Damnit now, I'm missing Paisanos being near to where I live)

91 AK-47%  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:26:15pm

re: #90 HappyWarrior

The U.S.S Feta Cheese with Spinach and Pepperoni. (Damnit now, I'm missing Paisanos being near to where I live)

Hermann Cain for Secretary of the Navy!

92 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:26:42pm

re: #86 Sionainn

Isn't Colin Powell the only one from that administration who said he regretted something he did (U.N. speech)?

That makes him a traitorous apologist! AMERICA APOLOGIZES FOR NOTHING!!11!!
:p
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93 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:27:04pm

re: #89 Amory Blaine

The USS Sausage Special.

USS Canadian Bacon was pretty controversial.

94 nines09  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:27:29pm

Well if a shitty national pizza chain owner doesn't know his politics, who would? He's a fucking genius.

95 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:27:29pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

USS Canadian Bacon was pretty controversial.

Not as much as the Battleship Pineapple.

96 Amory Blaine  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:28:07pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

USS Canadian Bacon was pretty controversial.

Ah yes our joint venture with the Pineapple class.

97 GunstarGreen  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:28:57pm

re: #89 Amory Blaine

The USS Sausage Special.

Well you know what they say about submarines...

Long, hard tube full of seamen.

98 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:29:08pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Wisconsin One-Percenter Threatens Worker Jobs If Obama Re-elected

Reminds me of an argument I had years back with a tavern owner. If your business model is so fragile that you can't absorb a once every ten years raise of $0.25 for minimum wage, then your a piss poor business man and should GTFO.

I wonder if this law doesn't apply after Citizens United:

Wis. Stat. 12.07 (3)

No employer or agent of an employer may distribute to any employee printed matter containing any threat, notice or information that if a particular ticket of a political party or organization or candidate is elected or any referendum question is adopted or rejected, work in the employer’s place or establishment will cease, in whole or in part, or the place or establishment will be closed, or the salaries or wages of the employees will be reduced, or other threats intended to influence the political opinions or actions of the employees.

99 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:29:11pm

re: #89 Amory Blaine

"The USS Deep Dish" would be a great name for a sub

100 nines09  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:29:32pm

re: #96 Amory Blaine

The USS Ham and Pineapple

Ah yes our joint venture with the Pineapple class.

Then there was the joint Canadian/United States venture, the USCAF Pea Bacon.

101 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:30:19pm

re: #96 Amory Blaine

Ah yes our joint venture with the Pineapple class.

And of course our underwater fleet. The Tuna Sub, the Ham and Cheese sub, and everyone's favorite the Philly Cheese Steak sub.

102 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:31:08pm

re: #85 SpaceJesus

Unlike Mitt Romney, whose plan to double the size of our Navy will not burden the pizza industry because every battle ship will have its own Papa Johns and be named after toppings.

But the USS Chicago Style is cruising to victory.

103 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:31:34pm

Damnit, now I'm getting hungry for pizza...or a sub. Curses!

104 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:31:38pm

re: #101 Eventual Carrion

And of course our underwater fleet. The Tuna Sub, the Ham and Cheese sub, and everyone's favorite the Philly Cheese Steak sub.

And the recent development of the low-budget $5 billion foot-long torpedo.
/

105 Artist  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:32:15pm

re: #97 GunstarGreen

Well you know what they say about submarines...

Long, hard tube full of seamen.

Seaman
:D

Youtube Video
106 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:32:40pm

re: #86 Sionainn

No, George Bush has expressed regrets over the the misleading intel.

Looking back on his eight years in the White House, President Bush pinpointed incorrect intelligence that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction as the "biggest regret of all the presidency."

"I think I was unprepared for war," Bush told ABC News' Charlie Gibson in an interview airing today on "World News."

I'm not sure those statements redeemed either man at all.

107 Mattand  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:34:30pm

re: #106 Daniel Ballard

No, George Bush has expressed regrets over the the misleading intel.

Looking back on his eight years in the White House, President Bush pinpointed incorrect intelligence that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction as the "biggest regret of all the presidency."

"I think I was unprepared for war," Bush told ABC News' Charlie Gibson in an interview airing today on "World News."

I'm not sure those statements redeemed either man at all.

That's an understatement.

"Hey, my bad; sorry about getting thousands of Americans and tens of thousands or Iraqis killed and maimed, and blowing our budget on an unnecessary war."

108 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:35:20pm

re: #107 Mattand

That's an understatement.

"Hey, my bad; sorry about getting thousands of Americans and tens of thousands or Iraqis killed and maimed, and blowing our budget on an unnecessary war."

"Yeah, totally not my fault though, because I got bad intelligence. Those guys totally screwed me on this. Tenet said it was a slam dunk!"

109 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:37:00pm

re: #107 Mattand

So what does that do to his (Powell) credibility today?

110 Joanne  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:38:21pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Nah, it's "He's a massive spender who cut school funding!!!"

...wait, what?

Romney did the same with Obama is a big spender and then He cut Medicare!

Complete cognitive dissonance.

111 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:38:25pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

"Yeah, totally not my fault though, because I got bad intelligence. Those guys totally screwed me on this. Tenet said it was a slam dunk!"

After Cheney went over and did a little arm twisting to get the results he (and Rummy and all the other New American Century swine) wanted.

112 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:39:34pm

re: #81 darthstar

I think to be a secret service agent you've got to have a good pissed-off face.

113 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:42:36pm

re: #55 darthstar

I wanted to see what the freepers at RedState thought about Powell, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of him...funny that. But they do have a video that mocks the GM recovery...only thing is, it's actually not delivering its message very well and reminds us just how good the auto bailout was. Take a look.

[Embedded content]

I will give them credit(whoever did the ad) for trying to be ironic, but nobody pictured seems to be upset with the Chevy they're driving.

Yeah, Yeah, the Chevy Volt is a total failure...

Even if many transactions were bolstered by cut-rate lease deals and other incentives last month, with 13,497 units rolling out of dealerships through the end of August, the Chevrolet Volt “extended range electric” sedan is outselling about half of all cars marketed in the U.S.

If indeed the Volt is a “failure,” as some of its critics have contended, we’re sure there’s several auto executives out there that would like many of their slower-selling models to suffer the same fate.

114 Bulworth  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:44:27pm

Fortunately there will oil and gas plenty enough to last forever and ever so we can keep driving the biggest tanks in the world and everything will be A-OK. //

115 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:45:34pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

"Yeah, totally not my fault though, because I got bad intelligence. Those guys totally screwed me on this. Tenet said it was a slam dunk!"

Various Advisors: Face it, you fucked up. You trusted us!

116 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:47:50pm

I lost a lot of respect for Colin Powell when he said that he'd disregard a direct order from his commander in chief:

No one is more responsible for defeating Clinton's effort to gay integrate the military than Powell. He was Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at the time with a higher approval rating than Clinton's and there was no one more influential on the subject at the time.

But even before then, in February of 1992 months before Clinton even got the Party's nomination, Powell created the narrative that would lead to DADT when he told Congress that letting people of "the homosexual lifestyle" into the military "with heterosexuals who would prefer not to have somebody of the same sex find them sexually attractive" would be "prejudicial to good order and discipline."

In January of 93, after Clinton had been elected, Powell told graduates of Annapolis that he would "understand" if they resigned their commissions upon admission of gays to the services because while race was a "benign" characteristic homosexuality "goes to one of the most fundamental aspects of human behavior"...translation: "people choose to be gay and it's an evil choice."

The NYTimes reported:

General Powell, in response to a question after his Naval Academy speech, said there was only one alternative to accepting a new policy. "If after those decisions are made you still find it completely unacceptable and it strikes to the heart of your moral beliefs, then I think you have to resign," he said. Recruiters See Little Impact

117 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:49:41pm

re: #116 ReamWorks SKG

I lost a lot of respect for Colin Powell when he said that he'd disregard a direct order from his commander in chief:

Surprise none of the wingnuts have started whacking him with the My Lai stick yet.

118 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:50:35pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

This is the Republicans' last shot at the presidency for quite a while.

A new potential Latino voter turns 18 every 30 seconds.

Expect a rather sharp pivot towards courting the Hispanic vote, not that they have to actually produce any results mind you, just make a lot of glib promises and pandering soundbites.

Hey, they have been telling people that they are the party of fiscal responsibility since the eighties while actually going out and spending like drunken sailors. They have loaded us down with debt, and yet the idiots still believe them when they say, "Trust us, this time it will be different..."

119 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:50:45pm

re: #116 ReamWorks SKG

I lost a lot of respect for Colin Powell when he said that he'd disregard a direct order from his commander in chief:

Did you regain any respect for him when he changed his mind?

120 danarchy  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:51:08pm

OT-
No excuse not to vote!

WWII Vet votes from death bed

121 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:52:18pm

re: #112 Obdicut

I think to be a secret service agent you've got to have a good pissed-off face.

Like this?

122 Big Joe  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:52:22pm

Powell lost credibility during My Lai.

123 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:52:49pm

re: #118 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Expect a rather sharp pivot towards courting the Hispanic vote, not that they have to actually produce any results mind you, just make a lot of glib promises and pandering soundbites.

Hey, they have been telling people that they are the party of fiscal responsibility since the eighties while actually going out and spending like drunken sailors. They have loaded us down with debt, and yet the idiots still believe them when they say, "Trust us, this time it will be different..."

Their approach will be to amp up the one they've got going, which is to pit illegal and legal immigrants against each other, then play the latter up as "real Americans."

124 Mattand  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:53:01pm

re: #109 Daniel Ballard

So what does that do to his (Powell) credibility today?

Can't speak for anyone else, but he damaged it my eyes. He clearly regrets it now, but that barn door's been open for almost 10 years now.

I do agree with him supporting Obama, though. Anyone that wants to keep the Christian Taliban and their nominees from running the White House has the right idea.

125 AK-47%  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:53:24pm

re: #118 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Expect a rather sharp pivot towards courting the Hispanic vote, not that they have to actually produce any results mind you, just make a lot of glib promises and pandering soundbites.

Hey, they have been telling people that they are the party of fiscal responsibility since the eighties while actually going out and spending like drunken sailors. They have loaded us down with debt, and yet the idiots still believe them when they say, "Trust us, this time it will be different..."

In a lot of ways, the Hispanics should be a slam-dunk for the Republicans, they are big into Catholicism, family values, hard work, enterprise and education.

The problem here is not the Hispanics, it is the bigots in the GOP who cannot accept them as full-fledged Americans.

126 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:54:19pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

He got in front of the Naval academy and told people they should resign rather than follow an order from the commander in chief. It's hard to overlook such a thing.

Good for him for changing his mind about gays. But his actions had nothing to do with gay rights. He had the option to quietly resign, or follow his command. To encourage others to resign and foster division--no matter what the reason--is unforgivable.

127 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:54:24pm

re: #120 danarchy

But his vote may not count.

128 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:57:05pm

So, is it safe, or should I bring my 9-iron?

129 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:57:23pm

re: #125 AK-47%

In a lot of ways, the Hispanics should be a slam-dunk for the Republicans, they are big into Catholicism, family values, hard work, enterprise and education.

The problem here is not the Hispanics, it is the bigots in the GOP who cannot accept them as full-fledged Americans.

Catholics vote for Democrats, Hispanics are pro-choice, Republicans are weak on education; you have several mythological bits of logic in the "should be a slam-dunk" part.

130 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:59:02pm

re: #126 ReamWorks SKG

He got in front of the Naval academy and told people they should resign rather than follow an order from the commander in chief. It's hard to overlook such a thing.

Good for him for changing his mind about gays. But his actions had nothing to do with gay rights. He had the option to quietly resign, or follow his command. To encourage others to resign and foster division--no matter what the reason--is unforgivable.

I can accept that point of view.

131 GunstarGreen  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:59:54pm

re: #113 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Yeah, Yeah, the Chevy Volt is a total failure...

One also has to consider the Volt's position in the market. It's a plug-in hybrid costing about 40 grand. It faces competition from something like the Prius, which is a traditional hybrid that runs under 20 grand in the subcompact version, 23 to 25 grand in the standard sedan versions. The market for the Volt is pretty small to begin with, and given that, it's performed admirably.

The US is not quite ready for plug-ins on a large scale. We just don't have the infrastructure to reliably support them.

132 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:01:30pm

re: #128 b_sharp

So, is it safe, or should I bring my 9-iron?

7 wood should be fine.

133 gwangung  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:03:16pm

re: #118 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Expect a rather sharp pivot towards courting the Hispanic vote, not that they have to actually produce any results mind you, just make a lot of glib promises and pandering soundbites.

Hey, they have been telling people that they are the party of fiscal responsibility since the eighties while actually going out and spending like drunken sailors. They have loaded us down with debt, and yet the idiots still believe them when they say, "Trust us, this time it will be different..."

They can try. Ain't gonna work.

People have long memories. And the Republicans are gonna have to work THREE TIMES AS LONG to undo all their crap.

134 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:04:30pm

gallup likely voters at this date in the race in 2000:

bush 47%
gore 45%

135 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:05:00pm

Follow the link...

136 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:06:11pm

re: #131 GunstarGreen

"The US is not quite ready for plug-ins on a large scale. We just don't have the infrastructure to reliably support them."

Actually, that is starting to change.

Public charging stations fuel desire for electric cars

137 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:06:59pm

re: #125 AK-47%

In a lot of ways, the Hispanics should be a slam-dunk for the Republicans, they are big into Catholicism, family values, hard work, enterprise and education

this is only if you accept the republican premise that democrats are *not* for family values, hard work, enterprise and education

i don't

138 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:08:15pm

re: #136 Only The Lurker Knows

"The US is not quite ready for plug-ins on a large scale. We just don't have the infrastructure to reliably support them."

Actually, that is starting to change.

Public charging stations fuel desire for electric cars

in 1910, the united states didn't have the infrastructure to support all of the model T's ford was producing

139 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:08:22pm

re: #137 engineer cat

this is only if you accept the republican premise that democrats are *not* for family values, hard work, enterprise and education

i don't

Stop being sensible and logical, a RWNJ could be reading this and have its head explode.

140 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:08:38pm

re: #136 Only The Lurker Knows

"The US is not quite ready for plug-ins on a large scale. We just don't have the infrastructure to reliably support them."

Actually, that is starting to change.

Public charging stations fuel desire for electric cars

I'm pretty confident that electric cars are eventually gonna be a major item for urban dwellers. They have all the right qualities for those folks who don't travel much outside the city limits.

141 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:10:21pm

re: #131 GunstarGreen

One also has to consider the Volt's position in the market. It's a plug-in hybrid costing about 40 grand. It faces competition from something like the Prius, which is a traditional hybrid that runs under 20 grand in the subcompact version, 23 to 25 grand in the standard sedan versions. The market for the Volt is pretty small to begin with, and given that, it's performed admirably.

The US is not quite ready for plug-ins on a large scale. We just don't have the infrastructure to reliably support them.

It needs to be wind powered.

142 AK-47%  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:10:59pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

Catholics vote for Democrats, Hispanics are pro-choice, Republicans are weak on education; you have several mythological bits of logic in the "should be a slam-dunk" part.

Republicans claim to like education, at least, and I thought that Obama hated the Catholics for forcing them to pay for contraceptive care against their will...

(just quoting GOP party line, I am aware of the gaps between reality and ideal here)

143 GunstarGreen  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:18:48pm

re: #136 Only The Lurker Knows

re: #138 engineer cat

re: #140 Targetpractice

re: #141 b_sharp


Don't misunderstand me. Hybrids, plug-in hybrids and EVs are the way of the future, we're just not quite there yet.

I live in an apartment complex just outside the perimeter of a major US city. I have the means to afford a plug-in hybrid like the Volt or even a pure EV like the Leaf, and would love to have one. But reality just doesn't support it. My complex has a bog-standard parking lot, like all the other complexes in this area (this is a reasonably well-off area at that), and unless you are renting one of the super-luxe family-size apartments, you don't have a garage unit, which means you don't have access to an outlet. The gas station just down the road (again, right outside a major US city) does not have any charging facilities, nor do any of the multitude of stores and locations around (this is right next to a large mall complex).

I would literally have nowhere to plug-in a Volt or a Leaf, so I drive a Prius. That it is also cheaper is just a bonus.

144 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:19:50pm

re: #141 b_sharp

It needs to be wind powered.

It is, but only on very steep downhill grades...

/

145 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:20:11pm

Apparently, as of right now, Nate Silver's prediction map says the two states Willard might possibly flip are VA and CO. The rest are comfortably in the 60%+ range.

146 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:20:32pm

re: #138 engineer cat

in 1910, the united states didn't have the infrastructure to support all of the model T's ford was producing

Yep. And what is great about the story I linked to, it that it is PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, not the Government that is building the infrastructure.

Hell, I would love to ride up to a store and be able to plug my scooter in to charge while I was shopping.

147 dragonath  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:22:45pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

The last few polls out of Virginia have shown some pretty healthy Obama leads.

Gender Gap Disappears in New Poll
A new Associated Press-GfK poll finds Mitt Romney has erased President Obama's 16-point advantage among women, while the president, in turn, has largely eliminated Romney's edge among men.

What a weird electorate.

148 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:24:19pm

re: #147 dragonath

The last few polls out of Virginia have shown some pretty healthy Obama leads.

What a weird electorate.

Any poll that shows Romney and Obama tied with women is immediately suspect.

Considering that's not even close to what any other poll says.

149 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:25:09pm

re: #146 Only The Lurker Knows

Yep. And what is great about the story I linked to, it that it is PRIVATE ENTERPRISE, not the Government that is building the infrastructure.

Hell, I would love to ride up to a store and be able to plug my scooter in to charge while I was shopping.

45 minute run time vs. 8 hour charge time?
Not very practical for commuting unless your work is right around the corner.

150 Destro  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:25:33pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

And I'm sure we will be hearing from the usual suspects that Powell only supports him because of race. John McCain is showing a lot of bitterness Powell's way at this news. Anyhow, not surprised that Powell's backing Obama.

re: #2 Bulworth

Done. There's a Destro page on it.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Colin Powell endorses Obama for second term (and conservative comments once again go racist wingnut)

151 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:25:49pm

re: #143 GunstarGreen

re: #138 engineer cat

re: #140 Targetpractice

re: #141 b_sharp

Don't misunderstand me. Hybrids, plug-in hybrids and EVs are the way of the future, we're just not quite there yet.

I live in an apartment complex just outside the perimeter of a major US city. I have the means to afford a plug-in hybrid like the Volt or even a pure EV like the Leaf, and would love to have one. But reality just doesn't support it. My complex has a bog-standard parking lot, like all the other complexes in this area (this is a reasonably well-off area at that), and unless you are renting one of the super-luxe family-size apartments, you don't have a garage unit, which means you don't have access to an outlet. The gas station just down the road (again, right outside a major US city) does not have any charging facilities, nor do any of the multitude of stores and locations around (this is right next to a large mall complex).

I would literally have nowhere to plug-in a Volt or a Leaf, so I drive a Prius. That it is also cheaper is just a bonus.

And that's what I'm saying, it's a future item right now, even if not near-future. Still a lot of renovation required to provide the necessary infrastructure, stuff that will require rejiggering of things like rental agreements.

152 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:26:04pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

Obama just drew an 18k crowd in Richmond. He just needs to stump VA like crazy, then Iowa and Ohio and possibly Colorado.

153 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:26:30pm

re: #147 dragonath

The last few polls out of Virginia have shown some pretty healthy Obama leads.

What a weird electorate.

Naw, just a weird poll, trends like that simply don't disappear overnight.

154 AK-47%  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:28:01pm

Now, why do have to recharge the bastard things? Why can't you stop at a gas station and simply remove the empty battery and have a fully charged one installed for a set price per unit of charge? If we had a network of stations like that, we would be set.

155 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:29:31pm

re: #154 AK-47%

Now, why do have to recharge the bastard things? Why can't you stop at a gas station and simply remove the empty battery and have a fully charged one installed for a set price per unit of charge? If we had a network of stations like that, we would be set.

Batteries cost ten grand, weigh a thousand pounds, are very voluminous, and you can't pump them.

Possible in principle, but there are certainly some technical challenges.

156 gwangung  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:32:26pm

re: #153 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Naw, just a weird poll, trends like that simply don't disappear overnight.

Remember, the stats pretty much say that there WILL be outlier polls due to random variation.

157 leftynyc  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:33:08pm

Sorry if this has been posted but that cretin employer who warned his people about voting for the President

One little thing:
Request Foods obtained $5.5 million under a federal grant program that Obama's stimulus bill increased by $1 billion. Last year, the company greatly expanded its footprint in Holland, Mich., where it used the money for a water treatment plant to serve a new facility.
The company has also seen a strong increase in sales during the Obama administration. [...]

With the help from taxpayer money, Request was able to add at least 250 jobs.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

What an asshole.

158 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:34:28pm

re: #149 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

45 minute run time vs. 8 hour charge time?
Not very practical for commuting unless your work is right around the corner.

8 hr charge time is for a completely depleted battery. I can make a 3 mile run to my destination and back (6 miles), plug it in and it is fully recharged in about 2 hours. This winter I plan on doing some modifications to the Battery/Electronics compartment so I can fit larger (12 AH vs the stock 7 AH) batteries in it. The length and Height of the 12 AH batteries are the same, but they are about 1/2 inch thicker, so I have to increase the depth of the compartment to accommodate them.

159 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:36:17pm

re: #149 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

45 minute run time vs. 8 hour charge time?
Not very practical for commuting unless your work is right around the corner.

A fifteen minute drive to work is 'right around the corner'?

Man, our country is messed up.

160 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:37:20pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

And that's what I'm saying, it's a future item right now, even if not near-future. Still a lot of renovation required to provide the necessary infrastructure, stuff that will require rejiggering of things like rental agreements.

In some cold climate states the apartments already have plug-ins at the parking areas for engine block heaters. Also with the now standard use of underground pneumatic boring to run electrical lines underground it is much easier and cheaper to retrofit existing parking areas because you don't have to dig the whole site up. I did a fair amount of that up in Anchorage.

161 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:37:33pm

re: #154 AK-47%

Now, why do have to recharge the bastard things? Why can't you stop at a gas station and simply remove the empty battery and have a fully charged one installed for a set price per unit of charge? If we had a network of stations like that, we would be set.

Standardization of the Battery pack would have to be negotiated between the various Car manufactures before that would be a realistic approach. We aint talking tires here.

162 GunstarGreen  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:38:46pm

re: #155 erik_t

Batteries cost ten grand, weigh a thousand pounds, are very voluminous, and you can't pump them.

Possible in principle, but there are certainly some technical challenges.

Yeah, our current battery technology isn't quite up to the task. Moving a car, all its passengers, and all their luggage takes quite a lot of energy, and we can't presently store that energy in a container that's easily swapped. We are getting better though -- in the short time that hybrids have existed we've moved to using battery packs made up of a large number of individual cells that can be changed out if one of them goes bad, substantially reducing cost of battery maintenance.

One day, off in the future, we'll have mobile stations that have racks of power packs instead of gasoline pumps, and our fuel doors will open up to the carry-handle of a power pack ready to be unlocked, pulled out, and swapped for a fresh one from the rack...

163 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:41:56pm

re: #162 GunstarGreen

Yeah, our current battery technology isn't quite up to the task. Moving a car, all its passengers, and all their luggage takes quite a lot of energy, and we can't presently store that energy in a container that's easily swapped. We are getting better though -- in the short time that hybrids have existed we've moved to using battery packs made up of a large number of individual cells that can be changed out if one of them goes bad, substantially reducing cost of battery maintenance.

One day, off in the future, we'll have mobile stations that have racks of power packs instead of gasoline pumps, and our fuel doors will open up to the carry-handle of a power pack ready to be unlocked, pulled out, and swapped for a fresh one from the rack...

I have more faith in this sludge becoming the future of EVs.

164 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:42:05pm

re: #149 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

45 minute run time vs. 8 hour charge time?
Not very practical for commuting unless your work is right around the corner.

I have a 1/2 hour commute each way. That's not exactly "right around the corner", but it still would fit comfortably within the 45-minute window while still giving me time to recharge at work, assuming charger availability.

165 Joanne  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:42:39pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

Follow the link...

[Embedded content]

Paul: You know, they say that a significant percentage of women base their vote on, you know, social issues and abortion. But I think a lot of people who do make their decision on that have already decided one way or another. They’re already strongly Democrat or strongly Republican. So I’m not sure it changes a great deal. While we have a lot of argument and discussion in this country about social issues, in the end very little has changed on social issues in 30 years now, and I think very little is probably expected to change because we’re so divided as a country. So in the what I think we’ll find is that people, I think, vote more their economic issues. (Paul spoke more about Donnelly/Pakistan ads his PAC is running.)

LEO: How does having the government force a woman to give birth to her rapist’s child mesh with you small government philosophy?

Paul: I’m not getting into that, but I’m happy to answer any questions about…(Paul walks away)

And with that, Paul darted out.

Ah, another GOPer not ducking the tough questions. Oh, wait.

Romney and Ryan are doing NO pressers. No talking to the press AT ALL.

166 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:43:33pm

re: #162 GunstarGreen

I think not, fuel cell will get us right past batteries I think. Dragging so much less weight per stored energy unit is pretty compelling. Just add H.

167 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:44:08pm

re: #162 GunstarGreen

One day, off in the future, we'll have mobile stations that have racks of power packs instead of gasoline pumps, and our fuel doors will open up to the carry-handle of a power pack ready to be unlocked, pulled out, and swapped for a fresh one from the rack...

A Jiffy-Lube-like centerline pit seems more likely to me. Contained entirely within the frame of the vehicle, and the process can be handled autonomously, with no frail incompetent meatbag to screw it up.

168 danarchy  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:44:28pm

re: #162 GunstarGreen

Yeah, our current battery technology isn't quite up to the task. Moving a car, all its passengers, and all their luggage takes quite a lot of energy, and we can't presently store that energy in a container that's easily swapped. We are getting better though -- in the short time that hybrids have existed we've moved to using battery packs made up of a large number of individual cells that can be changed out if one of them goes bad, substantially reducing cost of battery maintenance.

One day, off in the future, we'll have mobile stations that have racks of power packs instead of gasoline pumps, and our fuel doors will open up to the carry-handle of a power pack ready to be unlocked, pulled out, and swapped for a fresh one from the rack...

There is also a problem of standardization. All these car companies are trying to come up with the best battery so they all have different suppliers and different batteries and even different battery technologies. A simple swap won't really be feasible unless you can get the industry to standardize, which is hard when battery tech is the main way these cars can distinguish themselves right now.

169 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:46:20pm

re: #154 AK-47%

Now, why do have to recharge the bastard things? Why can't you stop at a gas station and simply remove the empty battery and have a fully charged one installed for a set price per unit of charge? If we had a network of stations like that, we would be set.

They are doing exactly that in the Israel and some of the nordic (different car/system but same idea) countries. You drive into what looks like a quick-lube station and an automated system swaps out the entire battery pack in just a few minutes. The problem with American introduction being that it requires everyone to drive the same basic type of car. No way that is going to fly here...

170 GunstarGreen  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:46:23pm

re: #165 Joanne

And with that, Paul darted out.

Ah, another GOPer not ducking the tough questions. Oh, wait.

Romney and Ryan are doing NO pressers. No talking to the press AT ALL.

It's a pretty standard trend with right-wing pols. "Stop talking about the social issues that make me toxic, only talk about the economy!"

Too bad economics aren't the only things we make law about.

171 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:46:56pm

re: #166 Daniel Ballard

I think not, fuel cell will get us right past batteries I think. Dragging so much less weight per stored energy unit is pretty compelling. Just add H.

I don't know about that. Fuel cells are still orders of magnitude more expensive than batteries. Not to say it couldn't happen but it's not a solution in the short or even medium term unless there's a serious breakthrough in how they're constituted.

Meanwhile, several firms are making serious advances in battery tech, both on the cost and on the charge time fronts.

172 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:46:56pm

re: #166 Daniel Ballard

I think not, fuel cell will get us right past batteries I think. Dragging so much less weight per stored energy unit is pretty compelling. Just add H.

Hydrogen, unfortunately, is awful awful awful stuff to deal with. If we can get the lifetime and power density up on methanol or similar, then we might be in business.

173 Joanne  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:48:07pm

re: #170 GunstarGreen

I can only hope that people see right through the Romney plan to not say anything to anyone except in prepared speeches as true cowardice. For that is all they are. Fucking yellow-bellied cowards.

174 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:48:16pm

re: #170 GunstarGreen

Ah, another GOPer not ducking the tough questions. Oh, wait.

Romney and Ryan are doing NO pressers. No talking to the press AT ALL.

It's a pretty standard trend with right-wing pols. "Stop talking about the social issues that make me toxic, only talk about the economy!"

Too bad economics aren't the only things we make law about.

That's something they figured out back earlier this year, when all the pundits were saying the same thing: "If the GOP lets the message turn to social issues, they're fucked."

175 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:48:44pm

re: #162 GunstarGreen

Yeah, our current battery technology isn't quite up to the task. Moving a car, all its passengers, and all their luggage takes quite a lot of energy, and we can't presently store that energy in a container that's easily swapped. We are getting better though -- in the short time that hybrids have existed we've moved to using battery packs made up of a large number of individual cells that can be changed out if one of them goes bad, substantially reducing cost of battery maintenance.

One day, off in the future, we'll have mobile stations that have racks of power packs instead of gasoline pumps, and our fuel doors will open up to the carry-handle of a power pack ready to be unlocked, pulled out, and swapped for a fresh one from the rack...

Time to convert our military industrial complex munitions industry into making commuter cannons... Ballistic delivery of personnel with GPS guidance across town at high speed and non-clogging of roads.
/// ;)

176 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:51:57pm

re: #175 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Time to convert our military industrial complex munitions industry into making commuter cannons... Ballistic delivery of personnel with GPS guidance across town at high speed and non-clogging of roads.
/// ;)

Perfect for businesses looking for high-caliber employees.

177 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:52:26pm

re: #164 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I have a 1/2 hour commute each way. That's not exactly "right around the corner", but it still would fit comfortably within the 45-minute window while still giving me time to recharge at work, assuming charger availability.

Well, if you are talking about the scooter I ride, you can take the charger with you. Just need a 120 A.C. outlet to plug it into. BTW, the Razer E300S I ride is actually considered to be a toy (12 yrs and up). The do sell something more geared towards Adults. The Razor EcoSmart Metro.

I went cheap, because I wanted to see if these things were actually worth the money. In my opinion, they are, if all you need is something for short commutes and a small payload capacity (bag on the handle bars, ect). Stock battery size sucks, but I plan on fixing that this winter on mine.

178 Joanne  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 1:56:33pm
179 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:02:12pm

re: #175 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Time to convert our military industrial complex munitions industry into making commuter cannons... Ballistic delivery of personnel with GPS guidance across town at high speed and non-clogging of roads.
/// ;)

The occasional midair collisions could actually be a bonus, keeping down population growth while providing free fertilizer to peoples lawns...

180 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:07:10pm

Don't read this, it's just a test.

181 Artist  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:07:50pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

Don't read this, it's just a test.

Too late.

182 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:07:58pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

Don't read this, it's just a test.

Too late....

183 Digital Display  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:08:46pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

Don't read this, it's just a test.

[ Insert Pithy comment here ]

184 AK-47%  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:09:38pm

re: #155 erik_t

Batteries cost ten grand, weigh a thousand pounds, are very voluminous, and you can't pump them.

Possible in principle, but there are certainly some technical challenges.

we need to get the batteries smaller, cheaper and modular so you can swap them out at a gas station just by pulling up to the "pump" and pressing a button...

185 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:09:42pm

Fail!

186 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:09:49pm

re: #155 erik_t

Batteries cost ten grand, weigh a thousand pounds, are very voluminous, and you can't pump them.

Possible in principle, but there are certainly some technical challenges.

My thoughts on that too when I was contemplating the subject. Also have to get most, if not all, manufactures to agree on a single, if not just a couple, types of batteries so the station didn't have to carry 50 different types of batteries with different types of connectors.

187 Joanne  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:12:11pm

re: #183 Digital Display

[ Insert Pithy comment here ]

Pithy comment

188 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:15:00pm

all my comments have been autopredepithed by the digital depither

189 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:15:30pm

re: #155 erik_t

Batteries cost ten grand, weigh a thousand pounds, are very voluminous, and you can't pump them.

Possible in principle, but there are certainly some technical challenges.

It's already been done.

It looks like a bright new car wash, but it's a battery swapping station for electric cars in Israel. When a vehicle pulls up, it is slowly pulled through a conveyor. The spent battery is taken out and replaced with one that is fully charged. The entire process takes less than five minutes.

Better Place, a company based in Palo Alto, Calif., is the company that wants to spread this model around the world. It's taken several years and it's been a bumpy ride, but the company has now established a network of car battery replacement stations in Israel and Denmark.

The idea is to make battery replacement as quick and simple as filling up at a gas station, and thereby convince people that owning an electric car is just as convenient as owning one that's gas powered. If it works as planned, drivers of electric cars would no longer have to wait hours to recharge their electric batteries at an outlet.

190 Digital Display  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:16:57pm

re: #188 engineer cat

all my comments have been autopredepithed by the digital depither

I get mine at the whole foods store

191 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:17:08pm

re: #188 engineer cat

all my comments have been autopredepithed by the digital depither

Thad thtory.

192 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:19:18pm

little known fact:

"Australopithecus" is greek for 'southern pith monkey'

193 danarchy  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:19:47pm

re: #188 engineer cat

all my comments have been autopredepithed by the digital depither

I remember having to pith a frog in biology class, didn't realize depithing was an option.

194 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:21:44pm

re: #176 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Perfect for businesses looking for high-caliber employees.

My caliber is always changing. Especially around holidays.

195 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:23:38pm

Obama extends lead in CO

[Link: www.publicpolicypolling.com...]

196 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:23:49pm

re: #189 goddamnedfrank

It's already been done.

Not without difficulties though.

In early October 2012, Agassi resigned from his role as worldwide Better Place CEO, and was replaced by Evan Thornley, CEO of Better Place-Australia. Briefly, Agassi remained on the company board, but a week later he resigned from that position as well. A few days after Thornley's appointment, Better Place asked its investors for a round of emergency funding, totaling about $150 million. [7][8] On October 11, 2012, Haaretz reported that Better Place might lay off up to half its staff of several hundred employees.[9]

Anyway the point was to address the fact that the technical difficulties have been overcome. It's a cutting edge, possibly overly optimistic venture. However if Better Place goes bankrupt somebody should be able to snatch up the assets at a cheap price and make the business model work, like what happened with Iridium.

197 Kragar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:24:32pm

Cass: 'You Can't Be a Christian if You Don't Own a Gun'

Recently, a conference was held at the Upper Room Church in Keller, Texas entitled "Deliver Us From Evil" where one of the featured speakers as Gary Cass, head of the Christian Anti-Defamation Commission.

Cass, who normally spends most of his time attacking President Obama, Muslims, gays, and Mormons, spent an hour and a half blasting America for having a "broken moral compass" for electing politicians who support things like reproductive choice and marriage equality. Cass went on to declare that the nation's colleges and universities have "now become perverted factories of unfaithfulness," especially Harvard which is now "animated by the spirit of Antichrist," before attacking "progressive Christians" as ones who "have murdered their own souls, destroyed their own churches, and have undermined our nation."

Finally, Cass explained to the audience that "you can't be a Christian if you don't own a gun"

198 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:25:13pm

re: #172 erik_t

Well not sure what you mean by awful. But I have a lot of experience with it, so I'll chime in my favorite properties. I love using the gas at work, it's the best possible smelting/casting fuel gas at a gold shop but that's tangential.

Zero carbon. That alone really jumps out.

Crack water with solar wind or geothermal and you have zero carbon electricity from turbines, stored in batteries or (best for cars) processed as you go. And fuel cells can use other fuels like methane, and naturally sequesters the carbon as a solid.

Now I agree & understand H is (so far) energy intensive to extract, but think how much energy is used getting exotic and or toxic metals from the ground in a car in the form of a high tech battery. Then recycling is a serious challenge. And batteries bring their own fire hazard.

Batteries are getting better. So is H production. A technology race perhaps.

Alagal protein to make H

199 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:26:36pm

re: #184 AK-47%

we need to get the batteries smaller, cheaper and modular so you can swap them out at a gas station just by pulling up to the "pump" and pressing a button...

reality check. Both recharge and replacement stations are being built by various companies.

Second reality check - back to that 45 minute usable charge for 8 hours of charge. The recharge rate for most such scooters runs closer to 4 hours. 45 minutes is commute distance plus reserve for over 60% of the population.

Wild speculation. What I'm watching with interest is the development of driverless vehicles in conjunction with increasing power and decreasing charge times. I have this sneaking suspicion that within a decade we're going to start seeing a form of 'on demand' (think taxi service with monthly bill) electrical use. Call in request, stating destination and passenger requirements, get appropriate vehicle based on needs.

Not tomorrow. But within a decade.

200 Digital Display  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:26:51pm

So..Last Spring some buddies and I bought 4 tickets to Notre Dame-Oklahoma and the very popular Bedlam game. I paid 97 bucks through a connection at OU. Yesterday I got offered 700 bucks a ticket. Kindof stunned.. looks like I'll spend Saturday night crawling Campus corner and watching the game on TV.

201 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:27:19pm

re: #197 Kragar

Cass: 'You Can't Be a Christian if You Don't Own a Gun'

Right.

This means that Jesus, Peter, John the Beloved, Paul, everyone who wrote anything in the New Testament, Mary, Mary Magdalene, Mary and Martha the sisters of Lazarus, Lazarus, St. Francis of Assisi, Constantine, and everyone that lived from the resurrection of Christ until the invention of the gun was not a Christian.

Think before you speak, people. This is right up there with English being good enough for the Bible. (English was good enough for the Magna Carta, the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew were good enough for the Bible.)

202 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:27:27pm

re: #197 Kragar

Cass: 'You Can't Be a Christian if You Don't Own a Gun'

I have got to reread my Bible.

203 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:28:00pm

re: #202 kirkspencer

I have got to reread my Bible.

Don't. Just hollow it out to fit a pistol inside.

204 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:28:02pm

re: #198 Daniel Ballard

Well not sure what you mean by awful. But I have a lot of experience with it, so I'll chime in my favorite properties. I love using the gas at work, it's the best possible smelting/casting fuel gas at a gold shop but that's tangential.

The density is vanishingly low and it's unstorable. The cursed stuff leaks out, slowly, in between molecular bonds.

These are problems, and they're not implementation problems. They're basic material properties.

205 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:28:05pm

re: #200 Digital Display

Hope to be back for the new year. My MSA friends, and a few others, would like me to come back.

206 AK-47%  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:28:15pm

re: #197 Kragar

Cass: 'You Can't Be a Christian if You Don't Own a Gun'

and you need one of these

207 Kragar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:28:20pm

Miami priest accused of years of ‘oral sex and sodomy’ with runaway boy

The Archdiocese of Miami said on Wednesday that Father Rolando Garcia was placed on leave after they learned that he had been accused of sexually abusing a 16-year-old runaway boy.

In a press conference on Tuesday, Tony Simmons recalled that Garcia began abusing him in 1994 at the Church of the Little Flower in Hollywood. Simmons said that the Catholic priest first offered him food and counseling. Over time, Garcia plied him with movies, concerts, alcohol and pornography, which eventually led to “oral sex and sodomy.”

Simmons explained that he was afraid to speak out because he lived and worked as a painter at the church.

“I honestly thought I was the only person,” he told reporters. “And if it came out, I could lose my job.”

Garcia continued to stay in contact with Simmons even after he joined the military in 2003. But on Oct. 15, Simmons said he changed his mind about coming forward when Garcia laughed while telling him that others had also accused him of pedophilia.

208 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:28:49pm

re: #203 Mostly sane, most of the time.

That seems to be what those nuts are doing with their Bibles.

209 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:29:19pm

re: #197 Kragar

Cass: 'You Can't Be a Christian if You Don't Own a Gun'

Gee, if he's really said that then he's gone farther down hill than I thought.

Here's a little secret - at one time said Mr. Cass was an almost-Jesus-Freak type of "Christian", spoke fondly of Sojourners, etc.

Like so many others, he's been seduced by the dark side.

210 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:30:12pm

re: #112 Obdicut

I think to be a secret service agent you've got to have a good pissed-off face.

The Secret Service has been disabling the Mirth, Humor, and Jocularity modules on the agents in service going back all the way to the inception of the Model T-800.

211 Digital Display  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:30:25pm

re: #205 ProGunLiberal

Hope to be back for the new year. My MSA friends, and a few others, would like me to come back.

That's awesome.

212 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:30:36pm

Oops. Joke's on me.

Magna Carta was written in Latin.

I should have done my math.

213 researchok  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:30:46pm

re: #209 freetoken

OT, I saved this for you

Maria Anna Mozart: The Family’s First Prodigy

214 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:30:51pm

re: #202 kirkspencer

I have got to reread my Bible.

It's like commandment 4.5, it was chiseled in at the last minute. It states, "and ye of faith shall arm your dumb asses to the teeth, so sayeth the lord."

215 Kragar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:32:04pm

re: #208 ProGunLiberal

That seems to be what those nuts are doing with their Bibles.

Meet the Bible Belter

216 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:32:34pm

re: #211 Digital Display

Yeah, most of my friends in Colorado have left me behind, so I got 1, maybe 2 people here, and 5-10 (maybe a few more) giving emotional support in Oklahoma, not counting the Imam.

217 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:32:48pm

re: #204 erik_t

Vanishingly low? By what measure do you mean that?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

218 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:33:15pm

Heh people like Cass are becoming almost cartoonish. Really you can't be a Christian if you don't own a gun. I guess all the Christians born before the invention of gunpowder are fucked huh.

219 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:33:54pm

re: #213 researchok

Maria Anna Mozart: The Family’s First Prodigy

The piano genes ran strong in that family.

220 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:33:59pm

How cute. XBox finally gets a web browser, something that PS3 has had for ages, but it doesn't support Flash.

Maybe that will be part of the next system. *rolls eyes*

221 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:34:50pm

re: #219 freetoken

Then we have those who say you can't be a christian and still own a gun.

Sheesh. Can't win. //

222 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:35:30pm

re: #221 Daniel Ballard

BTW, you're the one who used to do all the metal casting, right?

223 researchok  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:37:10pm

re: #219 freetoken

Like WW, you are a master of understatement

224 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:37:14pm

Imagine the howls if someone from CAIR said you can't be a Muslim if you don't own a gun.

225 Kragar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:38:05pm

No one is born Christian, you only become one when you get your NRA membership.

226 researchok  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:38:23pm

re: #219 freetoken

The piano genes ran strong in that family.

And might I add the piano mover gene runs strong in my family.

227 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:38:45pm

re: #224 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Imagine the howls if someone from CAIR said you can't be a Muslim if you don't own a gun.

Probably call it terrorism incitement. Really though comments like those are why people make gun fetishism jokes. I understand why people own arms. What I don't understand is why certain people think you need to own arms. I am not into guns. Never has been. It's just part of my personality. If someone wants to own a gun and use it for lawful reasons. I could really care less.

228 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:38:48pm

re: #199 kirkspencer

1000 Up Dings.

"Second reality check - back to that 45 minute usable charge for 8 hours of charge. The recharge rate for most such scooters runs closer to 4 hours. 45 minutes is commute distance plus reserve for over 60% of the population."

If that. As I pointed out in a previous post. The 8 hr recharge time is for a totally depleted battery. Partially depleted, not so long. I can top off my battery pack in about 15-30 min after a 2 mile trip. IF I had some place to plug into. Not many places (yet) will just let someone plug in.

229 AK-47%  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:38:52pm

re: #219 freetoken

The piano genes ran strong in that family.

I have an not-directly-related namesake (right down to the same middle initial) who translates books on Russian Eucharistic theology. I have a Master's Degree in Russian. Found out 'cause people were asking me about my "publications"

Another unrelated namesake in Canada who works as a flight mechanic for the RCAF. My uncle and namesake built and flew his own airplane.

Genetics, how do they work?

230 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:39:10pm

re: #217 Daniel Ballard

Vanishingly low? By what measure do you mean that?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Oh, I don't know, 1/6 the energy per volume of gasoline even stored at freaking 70MPa.

Having 70MPa tanks in passenger vehicles is not an exciting prospect. Rather, it's an extraordinarily exciting prospect.

231 researchok  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:40:01pm

re: #229 AK-47%

Show off.
////

Pretty cool family history.

232 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:40:19pm

re: #229 AK-47%

Genetics, how do they work?

You can't 'splain that!

233 AK-47%  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:40:20pm

Finland is well set up for electric cars, most parking places have an outlet for the engine block heaters in the winter.

234 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:40:42pm

re: #213 researchok

OT, I saved this for you

Maria Anna Mozart: The Family’s First Prodigy

there was a very nice movie recently all about her

i love her but she's smuggling drugs in that hairdo

235 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:41:44pm

re: #229 AK-47%

I have an not-directly-related namesake (right down to the same middle initial) who translates books on Russian Eucharistic theology. I have a Master's Degree in Russian. Found out 'cause people were asking me about my "publications"

Another unrelated namesake in Canada who works as a flight mechanic for the RCAF. My uncle and namesake built and flew his own airplane.

Genetics, how do they work?

My mother is a brilliant gardener.

The first thing she does when she walks into my house is to take pity on the poor plants and water them. Well, actually, it's poor plant. I don't get past the one African daisy.

However, she got her gardening genes from her grandfather and his mother, who were both brilliant at growing things. (Good thing that Grandad was a farmer, right?)

236 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:41:49pm

re: #222 freetoken

Yup, still do sometimes. Just got a new induction casting machine for Pt family metals.

237 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:42:03pm

You can't be a Jashinist if you don't own a big weird scythe.

238 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:42:12pm

re: #234 engineer cat

there was a very nice movie recently all about her

i love her but she's smuggling drugs in that hairdo

I was thinking that Dad made her do it so that she could double as an end table.

239 engineer cat  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:42:13pm

i have a completely unrelated namesake who's serving time in the federal pen for beating up his girlfriend

i live in fear that potential employers will google my name and think i'm him

240 researchok  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:42:16pm

re: #234 engineer cat

there was a very nice movie recently all about her

i love her but she's smuggling drugs in that hairdo

LOLOL

Back then they were called 'smelling salts'...

241 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:43:17pm

re: #237 goddamnedfrank

How the hell did we get to Naruto?

Meanwhile, Sandy looks ready to screw up the East Coast.

242 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:43:26pm

re: #239 engineer cat

i have a completely unrelated namesake who's serving time in the federal pen for beating up his girlfriend

i live in fear that potential employers will google my name and think i'm him

Federal pen? Anyhow, I don't know if I have a notorious namesake. Well for my first name, lots, my last name is as rare as my first name is common.

243 researchok  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:43:49pm

re: #239 engineer cat

The current address info ought to clear any problems up

244 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:44:03pm

re: #236 Daniel Ballard

I've been looking for some casting classes down here. Unfortunately the community colleges are moth-balling their classes (budget cuts.)

Do you know John Whaley?

245 Digital Display  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:44:09pm

re: #216 ProGunLiberal

Yeah, most of my friends in Colorado have left me behind, so I got 1, maybe 2 people here, and 5-10 (maybe a few more) giving emotional support in Oklahoma, not counting the Imam.

I remember getting out of college and facing the whole fucking world. Looking for work Falling in love and raising children. I made some good choices and bad. (you'll forget the good ones and never forget the bad ones )
Looking back the best advice I ever got was to have a vision and follow your heart.
It's important for you to be happy.

246 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:45:02pm

re: #199 kirkspencer

Two hours to run dry then four hours to re charge. Our infrastructure and our expectations are four to six hours to run dry and ten minutes to refill.

247 efuseakay  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:45:42pm

re: #164 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I have a 1/2 hour commute each way. That's not exactly "right around the corner", but it still would fit comfortably within the 45-minute window while still giving me time to recharge at work, assuming charger availability.

And absence of traffic.

248 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:46:18pm

re: #228 Only The Lurker Knows

45 minute usable charge for 8 hours of charge.

That's roughly the same as the iPhone 5, right?

badum-tss

249 Kragar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:47:13pm

I hear the Italians have a new energy efficient car they've been working on.

Its called the Runzonli Downhill

250 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:48:12pm

You can't be an atheist if you don't own the Firefly box set.

251 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:48:29pm

re: #248 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

That's roughly the same as the iPhone 5, right?

badum-tss

I wouldn't know.

252 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:48:32pm

re: #230 erik_t

It's not at all bad. California has H cars and even a few filling stations. Technology demonstrators, but you gotta start somewhere. Offer to lease me a H car or a hybrid, and I'll take the H car until the hybrid is fuel cell/battery hybrid. It's time to stop combustion just to drive.

[Link: www.hydrogenhighway.ca.gov...]

253 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:48:36pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Someone with my unusual name immigrated from the Netherlands, and died in Florida, about 30-60 miles from where I was born, about 4 years before I was born.

My first name comes from the Middle Name of my Great-Great-Great Grandfather on my Dad's side. Born in Tune, SM(?????), died in Fredrikstad. Lived from 1850-1930

254 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:48:47pm

Oh noes, it turns out that Apple can't continue to grow at an exponential rate!


Disappointing iPad sales dent Apple in fiscal 4Q

[....]

"We were happy with the 14 million iPad sales in the quarter. It exceeded our expectations," Apple Chief Financial Officer Peter Oppenheimer said in an interview. "But as the summer went on, the rumors were pretty rampant about the iPhone and iPad."

For the December quarter, Apple forecast revenue of $52 billion, below the average estimate of $55 billion, according to Thomson Reuters I/B/E/S.

Its fiscal fourth quarter revenue rose to $35.96 billion, roughly in line with the average analyst estimate of 35.8 billion, according to Thomson Reuters I/B/E/S.

[...]

255 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:50:55pm

re: #254 freetoken

Oh noes, it turns out that Apple can't continue to grow at an exponential rate!

iBubble deflating?

256 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:50:59pm

Night Lizards.

257 kirkspencer  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:52:06pm

re: #246 Daniel Ballard

Two hours to run dry then four hours to re charge. Our infrastructure and our expectations are four to six hours to run dry and ten minutes to refill.

Our expectations are that way - but add to it that our expectation is that we don't refill (recharge) every day.

On the other hand, most people with electronics (phones, pads, etc) do recharge every day. It's not a huge change in that regard, particularly if you just 'plug it in' at home.

(Yes, I note the people who cannot plug it in at home run counter to this. I'm not totally in disagreement with you - that's an infrastructure issue.)

258 Digital Display  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:52:15pm

re: #246 Daniel Ballard

Two hours to run dry then four hours to re charge. Our infrastructure and our expectations are four to six hours to run dry and ten minutes to refill.

Since there are tanning stations on every corner Why don't they offer electric charging stations out front?
Tanning-Laundry-Charging
( with all the other options you see here and there.. Grocery- Hair- Porn -Booze )
/

259 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:52:52pm

re: #253 ProGunLiberal

Okay, apparently Tune used to be a small town in the vicinity of Fredrikstad, which was at one time a rural province. However, over time it shrank as towns and cities broke away from it.

It finally merged into the first town/city to secede from it, Sarpsborg, in 1994.

260 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:53:01pm

re: #255 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Their continuing to grow, just not at the outrageous rate the addicted-to-exponentials about which the nuts on Wall Street like to fantasize.

261 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:53:56pm

Apologies in advance.
Image: 8GF6Y.jpg
(not really)

262 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:54:08pm

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Federal pen? Anyhow, I don't know if I have a notorious namesake. Well for my first name, lots, my last name is as rare as my first name is common.

Hezekiah Ebeneezer Smith???///

I figure I must have a naughty namesake somewhere as I used to always get "delay" from NICS till I sent in a fingerprint card to get a unique ID number.

263 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:54:19pm

Will this make the wingnuts happy?

President Obama Asked For I.D. While Voting In Chicago

264 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:54:19pm

re: #253 ProGunLiberal

Someone with my unusual name immigrated from the Netherlands, and died in Florida, about 30-60 miles from where I was born, about 4 years before I was born.

My first name comes from the Middle Name of my Great-Great-Great Grandfather on my Dad's side. Born in Tune, SM(?????), died in Fredrikstad. Lived from 1850-1930

Gosh your folks must know the family tree well because I don't know anything about my ancestry beyond my great great grandparents aside from where they lived and that's vague.

265 Kragar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:54:55pm

WND Columnist: Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason

For years, conservatives have claimed that liberals seek to criminalize Christianity and conservative opinions through imaginary hate speech laws. But today, WorldNetDaily columnist Erik Rush writes that the government should prosecute liberals and members of the press… in order to defend freedom, of course. He accuses journalists of “treasonous collusion” with the Obama administration and said the Founders would have wanted journalists to be “found guilty of high crimes.” “Trials for treason and the requisite sentences would apply,” Rush says, “and I would have no qualms about seeing such sentences executed, no matter how severe.” He claims that progressives’ “seditious, anti-American” speech is “excepted from protection under the First Amendment,” hoping that “the political disenfranchisement of liberals, progressives, socialists and Marxists can begin in earnest, and in the open.”

266 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:55:32pm

re: #262 William Barnett-Lewis

Hezekiah Ebeneezer Smith???///

I figure I must have a naughty namesake somewhere as I used to always get "delay" from NICS till I sent in a fingerprint card to get a unique ID number.

Haha. I said the first name was really common but the last was really uncommon. This one friend of mine apparently shares a name with a Scottish separatist terrorist so he's on the no fly list. Makes me glad my name is uncommon.

267 erik_t  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:55:55pm

re: #265 Kragar

WND Columnist: Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason

Just another Defender of the Constitution who has never read or understood the Constitution.

Dime a fucking dozen.

268 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:56:34pm

re: #265 Kragar

WND Columnist: Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason

I think someone doesn't know what treason actually is. So, Mitt, why did you have Corsi on the plane again? I only hope because you like jokes as much as I do.

269 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:56:58pm

re: #263 freetoken

Aren't Illinois voters allowed to say no? If so, he should have done so on principle.

270 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 2:57:10pm

re: #267 erik_t

Just another Defender of the Constitution who has never read or understood the Constitution.

Dime a fucking dozen.

[Link: www.theonion.com...]
One of my favorite Onion stories ever.

271 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:00:53pm

re: #264 HappyWarrior

My Granddad retired when I was 5, and since then has been doing genealogy work.

Sad thing is, My 3x Great-Grandfather outlived her daughter and husband. She died 1918 (Spanish Flu?), and the husband survived, but broken. Fell into despair and alcoholism, he died after being arrested for being Drunk and Disorderly, and falling off the prison ship drunk.

My Granddad would be born just 7 years after my 3x Great-Grandfather died.

272 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:01:03pm

In my observations, people on the right seem to think only they have read and understand the Constitution. Funny thing is many of these same folks deride Obama for being a professor of Constitutional law earlier in his career. Oh the powers of cognitive dissonance.

273 Kragar  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:01:18pm

Joel Gilbert: Obama Got Nose Job to Hide Resemblance to Frank Marshall Davis

Filmmaker, Bob Dylan enthusiast, and all-purpose conspiracy theorist Joel Gilbert has been getting plenty of attention recently for his film, “Dreams From My Real Father,”which presents his theory that President Obama’s real father was Communist organizer Frank Marshall Davis, who groomed the president from birth to lead a “revolution to end capitalism.” Gilbert has taken advantage of an undisclosed source of funds to send copies of his movie to 4 million swing-state households, where it has been met with decidedly mixed reviews. Gilbert’s film has earned effusive praise from the chairman of the Alabama Republican Party and Fox News’ Monica Crowley, but was panned by a Republican focus group, which found it “revolting.” A public screening of the film organized by a county commissioner in Texas has drawn promises of protests.

In the midst of this hubbub, though, Gilbert hasn’t neglected his continuing research into the president’s history. This summer, he speculated to Alex Jones that the Obama administration might have been behind the Aurora movie theater shooting. Earlier this month, he put on his “expert in Islamic history” hat to uncover a secret “Islamic inscription” on the president’s wedding ring. And today, he drops another bombshell to World Net Daily’s Jerome Corsi: the president got a nose job (a.k.a. "facial forgery") because he was “concerned he was looking too much like Frank Marshall Davis as he got older.”

274 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:02:37pm

re: #271 ProGunLiberal

My Granddad retired when I was 5, and since then has been doing genealogy work.

Sad thing is, My 3x Great-Grandfather outlived her daughter and husband. She died 1918 (Spanish Flu?), and the husband survived, but broken. Fell into despair and alcoholism, he died after being arrested for being Drunk and Disorderly, and falling off the prison ship drunk.

My Granddad would be born just 7 years after my 3x Great-Grandfather died.

Ah crazy then. What's weird about my gene pool is how old my ancestors are. I'm only 25 yet my Dad's Mom would be 100 this year. Call that the product of being the son of a youngest child who married late. I really want to find out more and through some research I have. Even got to see the home where my Dad's Dad grew up in Pittsburgh when I went up there last year.

275 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:05:16pm

re: #273 Kragar

Joel Gilbert: Obama Got Nose Job to Hide Resemblance to Frank Marshall Davis

They do know that if for some weird reason Marshall turned out to be his biological father, that would mean that he's a citizen period. My favorite anti-Obama conspiracy theory is the one that Crazy Pam pushed about Malcolm X being his real father though. It really is shameful though since all these implications basically say that Ann Dunham just slept around with whoever. Real pathetic to attack a dead woman who can't defend herself.

276 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:05:58pm

re: #272 HappyWarrior

In my observations, people on the right seem to think only they have read and understand the Constitution. Funny thing is many of these same folks deride Obama for being a professor of Constitutional law earlier in his career. Oh the powers of cognitive dissonance.

except he never actually held that title, rather Obama’s title at the University of Chicago was "senior lecturer" and not "professor."

just sayin

277 Digital Display  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:06:40pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Haha. I said the first name was really common but the last was really uncommon. This one friend of mine apparently shares a name with a Scottish separatist terrorist so he's on the no fly list. Makes me glad my name is uncommon.

Turns out years ago i got pulled over for a traffic infraction and I gave the cop my license he goes back to his car and moments later I was surrounded by police. They pull me out of car asking how the hell I got out of prison so soon. Turns out I shared the name of a very bad man. They didn't believe me at first but more data come in. Turns out I didn't break out of prison after all.
You know what the worst thing was? The newspaper printed the whole episode and for the next month red faced I was the most popular person in Napa

278 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:08:06pm

RWC

Haven't seen any new photo lay outs lately. Whats up with that???

279 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:08:33pm

re: #276 sattv4u2

except he never actually held that title, rather Obama’s title at the University of Chicago was "senior lecturer" and not "professor."

just sayin

Okay, point is he was teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago, a highly esteemed institution at that, for a while and is definitely more grounded in the Constitution than the average schmo. And it was Palin who started derisively referring to him as "Professor."

280 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:09:19pm

Just because:


Anthropologist sees religious revival in Apple product launches

which refers to this article at CSM:

Is Apple fandom a religion?

281 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:10:10pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Mom's side has been in the US longer.

They live in Pittsburg now, and moved around the Great Lakes Region (Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Indiana). Her side had fighters on the American Side of the American War of Independence, and the Union side during the Civil War.

Dad's side lost a good deal of the family during WWII.

282 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:10:18pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Okay, point is he was teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago, a highly esteemed institution at that, for a while and is definitely more grounded in the Constitution than the average schmo. And it was Palin who started derisively referring to him as "Professor."

Because thats how he referred himself as, even though, as stated, he wasn't. I recall Hillary calling him on it during the 2008 primaries

283 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:11:23pm

re: #278 sattv4u2

Heh. Paid assignments that's what. Been working the day job and for MPMG. It's a good thing gotta pay for the tools. But hoping to get up to Baldy mountain this very weekend. California pines at 8000 feet in the fall. Should be gorgeous.

And thanks to Charles 400k size in the pages. W00T!

284 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:11:56pm

Today's edition of Your Ancestors:

The most comprehensive analysis to date of Australopithecus afarensis shoulder blades indicates a partially arboreal lifestyle

[...]

The analysis of the shape and function of the bones revealed that A. afarensis shoulder blades are apelike, indicating a partially arboreal lifestyle. Drs. Green and Alemseged also found that, like living apes, the shoulder anatomy of juvenile and adult representatives of A. afarensis were quite similar. "Human scapulae change shape throughout ontogeny in a significantly different manner than closely related apes," said Dr. Green. "When we compared Selam's scapula with adult members of Australopithecus afarensis, it was clear that the pattern of growth was more consistent with that of apes than humans." At the same time, most researchers agree that many traits of the A. afarensis hip bone, lower limb, and foot are unequivocally humanlike and adapted for upright walking. "This new find confirms the pivotal place that Lucy and Selam's species occupies in human evolution," said Dr. Alemseged. "While bipedal like humans, A. afarensis was still a capable climber. Though not fully human, A. afarensis was clearly on its way."

285 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:12:38pm

Okay this is nice

Neal Schon


[Link: open.spotify.com...]

286 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:12:46pm

re: #282 sattv4u2

Because thats how he referred himself as, even though, as stated, he wasn't. I recall Hillary calling him on it during the 2008 primaries

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Clinton spokeperson Phil Singer in 2007

Singer (March 27): Sen. Obama has often referred to himself as “a constitutional law professor” out on the campaign trail. He never held any such title. And I think anyone, if you ask anyone in academia the distinction between a professor who has tenure and an instructor that does not, you’ll find that there is … you’ll get quite an emotional response.

Well before Palin entered the fray

287 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:13:31pm

re: #283 Daniel Ballard

Heh. Paid assignments that's what. Been working the day job and for MPMG. It's a good thing gotta pay for the tools. But hoping to get up to Baldy mountain this very weekend. California pines at 8000 feet in the fall. Should be gorgeous.

And thanks to Charles 400k size in the pages. W00T!

nice!!! Looking forward to them

288 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:14:39pm

following a volt

289 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:15:26pm

re: #288 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

following a volt

on foot???

//

290 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:17:18pm

re: #265 Kragar

WND Columnist: Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason

Dammit, this is a pet peeve of mine, the word is sedition not treason!

The Constitution these people claim to know so much about specifically says that treason can only be charged if you are working for a foreign power against the United States. The people who wrote and voted on the Constitution came from a place where treason was whatever the King said it was and they did not want that to be possible here.

Effing idiots!

291 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:17:47pm

re: #286 sattv4u2

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Clinton spokeperson Phil Singer in 2007

Singer (March 27): Sen. Obama has often referred to himself as “a constitutional law professor” out on the campaign trail. He never held any such title. And I think anyone, if you ask anyone in academia the distinction between a professor who has tenure and an instructor that does not, you’ll find that there is … you’ll get quite an emotional response.

Well before Palin entered the fray

Okay, fair enough. My point, Re: Palin is that she was deriding him as some intellectual elitist. The guy taught Constitutional Law and yet people like to claim he doesn't understand the Constitution. Just because one's interpretation of the Constitution differs doesn't mean the person doesn't understand it. Just like it would be intellectually dishonest for me to claim that Justice Scalia doesn't understand the Constitution. It's the same thing to claim that about President Obama and that's my whole point here. There are a lot of people who think only they understand the Constitution and that's nonsense.

292 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:19:44pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

There are a lot of people who think only they understand the Constitution and that's nonsense.

I wholeheartedly agree, but the "Obama was a Con. Law Prof." is not in fact accurate

293 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:19:52pm

re: #286 sattv4u2

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Clinton spokeperson Phil Singer in 2007

Singer (March 27): Sen. Obama has often referred to himself as “a constitutional law professor” out on the campaign trail. He never held any such title. And I think anyone, if you ask anyone in academia the distinction between a professor who has tenure and an instructor that does not, you’ll find that there is … you’ll get quite an emotional response.

Well before Palin entered the fray

I work in higher ed, and if you've taught at the University of Chicago Law School for 12 years, you've become a Senior Lecturer (because you have a kickass day job that prevents you from being a full-time academic) and it's clear they want to keep you around, I think the only people who will get butthurt if you describe yourself as a "professor" in general terms are people who may have other secret reasons for not liking you much.

294 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:20:08pm

re: #292 sattv4u2

There are a lot of people who think only they understand the Constitution and that's nonsense.

I wholeheartedly agree, but the "Obama was a Con. Law Prof." is not in fact accurate

I was mistaken there, my bad.

295 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:21:41pm

Ah well

Nap time. After weeks of being off (vacation, surgery recovery, personal business trip) I'm back on overnights.

Body clock is WAY screwed

296 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:21:51pm

re: #276 sattv4u2

except he never actually held that title, rather Obama’s title at the University of Chicago was "senior lecturer" and not "professor."

just sayin

Doesn't matter at U of C. He was a professor. He wasn't tenure-track. They invited him to be. He was a professor.

[Link: www.law.uchicago.edu...]

This is a really old, old busted right-wing talking point, by the way. Like four years.

297 sattv4u2  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:22:09pm

re: #294 HappyWarrior

I was mistaken there, my bad.

n/p. Lots of people are about that

298 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:23:03pm

To quote the U of C:

From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School's Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.

I don't know why people would so blithely say otherwise. Anything to try to demean Obama, I guess.

299 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:24:06pm

This whole "Obama not a professor" story is a bit like the people who complain on higher education blogs about MD's referring to themselves as "Dr. So-and-so".

In a very narrow technical sense they are correct but it's really just pedantry.

My GP is Dr. Mike and Obama was a professor at U of C.

300 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:24:32pm
301 freetoken  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:25:10pm

All this talk about cars and electrification... leads me to this doomer article from today:


An economic theory of limited oil supply

IMO Tverberg comes closer to reality than many recent media writers on the topic of "oil", but she still misrepresents "economics" as a field.

Truth is, humans do what we want to within the bounds of the resources at hand. And that is what "economics" is supposed to study, dismal though it may be.

302 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:26:28pm

I never have to plug my bicycle in. I just eat.

303 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:26:41pm

re: #299 iossarian

This whole "Obama not a professor" story is a bit like the people who complain on higher education blogs about MD's referring to themselves as "Dr. So-and-so".

In a very narrow technical sense they are correct but it's really just pedantry.

My GP is Dr. Mike and Obama was a professor at U of C.

They're not even correct in a technical sense. They're just lying. The only truth is that he wasn't called professor. He still was a professor. It's like saying a Master Sergeant and a First Sergeant aren't both E-8s.

304 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:30:52pm

re: #303 Obdicut

They're not even correct in a technical sense. They're just lying. The only truth is that he wasn't called professor. He still was a professor. It's like saying a Master Sergeant and a First Sergeant aren't both E-8s.

Well, it's hair-splitting, isn't it.

I assume that U of C is the same as 99% of US universities in having Full, Associate and Assistant Professor as job titles for tenured faculty. Then they will have adjunct (non-tenured) teaching staff who will be Lecturers. The Senior Lecturer thing is apparently something they use to keep big cheeses in the Law School happy and differentiate them from the rabble.

But generally, all teachers at universities (other than TAs) get described as small-p professors in common speech. As in:

"I'm going to Con. Law. 101 now."

"Cool - who's the professor? Is it that hip dude from Hawaii?"

305 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:33:41pm

re: #292 sattv4u2

There are a lot of people who think only they understand the Constitution and that's nonsense.

I wholeheartedly agree, but the "Obama was a Con. Law Prof." is not in fact accurate

re: #297 sattv4u2

Okay unless you got your facts wrong I'm really not seeing what's earning the downs.

306 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:34:43pm

re: #304 iossarian

U of C gets to set its standards for what it considers a professor. It considers Senior Lecturer to be a professor. So, he was a professor. In addition, they sought so highly of him they repeatedly offered to make him a tenure-track professor instead, which means this is all a fucking moot argument even if someone did think there was some petty semantic distinction to be made there.

307 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:35:03pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Okay, fair enough. My point, Re: Palin is that she was deriding him as some intellectual elitist. The guy taught Constitutional Law and yet people like to claim he doesn't understand the Constitution. Just because one's interpretation of the Constitution differs doesn't mean the person doesn't understand it. Just like it would be intellectually dishonest for me to claim that Justice Scalia doesn't understand the Constitution. It's the same thing to claim that about President Obama and that's my whole point here. There are a lot of people who think only they understand the Constitution and that's nonsense.

I'm looking at your last sentence. You mean that only they understand it, and no one else?

I'm just trying to understand what you are saying.

308 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:35:36pm

re: #306 Obdicut

U of C gets to set its standards for what it considers a professor. It considers Senior Lecturer to be a professor. So, he was a professor. In addition, they sought so highly of him they repeatedly offered to make him a tenure-track professor instead, which means this is all a fucking moot argument even if someone did think there was some petty semantic distinction to be made there.

Also, frankly, it's not something that would make me vote or not vote for him.

It's a petty side argument.

309 wrenchwench  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:39:25pm

re: #308 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Also, frankly, it's not something that would make me vote or not vote for him.

It's a petty side argument.

Petty side arguments and outright lies seem to be all the opponents of Obama have to work with, at this point.

310 dragonfire1981  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:40:03pm

re: #265 Kragar

WND Columnist: Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason

Note to self: Avoid absolutely everyone named Rush.

311 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:40:05pm

re: #306 Obdicut

U of C gets to set its standards for what it considers a professor. It considers Senior Lecturer to be a professor. So, he was a professor. In addition, they sought so highly of him they repeatedly offered to make him a tenure-track professor instead, which means this is all a fucking moot argument even if someone did think there was some petty semantic distinction to be made there.

The press release linked earlier suggests that Senior Lecturers are "regarded as professors", which are classic Law School weasel words IMHO.

Anyway, it's not worth arguing about -if this is what Republicans have on Obama after years of desperately trying to find any kind of dirt of any kind on him, then that's a poor return on their investment of time and effort by anyone's standards.

312 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:42:13pm

re: #305 Daniel Ballard

re: #297 sattv4u2

Okay unless you got your facts wrong I'm really not seeing what's earning the downs.

I assume it's because people fixate on tiny hair-splitting points of pedantry at the expense of questioning whether they're justified in voting for the party of "rape babies are gifts from god".

313 dragonfire1981  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:42:23pm

re: #310 dragonfire1981

Note to self: Avoid absolutely everyone named Rush.

Oops, EXCEPT for the Band that is. They Rock. :D

314 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:43:49pm

re: #313 dragonfire1981

Oops, EXCEPT for the Band that is. They Rock. :D

They do not rock, but I will still upding you for your infectious enthusiasm for all things progular and rockular.

315 Lidane  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:44:17pm

Somewhere out there, Paul Ryan and Luap Nor have a sad:

Obama: Ayn Rand Is For Misunderstood Teenagers

In an interview with Rolling Stone magazine, President Obama said Ayn Rand's writings are appealing to those who are "17 or 18 and feeling misunderstood." But "as we get older," he said, people recognize its "narrow vision."

316 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:44:56pm

re: #315 Lidane

Finally! Somebody said it!

317 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:46:03pm

re: #304 iossarian

Well, it's hair-splitting, isn't it.

I assume that U of C is the same as 99% of US universities in having Full, Associate and Assistant Professor as job titles for tenured faculty. Then they will have adjunct (non-tenured) teaching staff who will be Lecturers. The Senior Lecturer thing is apparently something they use to keep big cheeses in the Law School happy and differentiate them from the rabble.

Where I come from (UC, not U of C) Senior Lecturers have "security of employment." Not the same as tenure, but it does distinguish them from other lecturers.

318 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:46:06pm

re: #315 Lidane

Somewhere out there, Paul Ryan and Luap Nor have a sad:

Obama: Ayn Rand Is For Misunderstood Teenagers

That is classic.

Grow up, Randies! And get a life.

319 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:46:51pm

re: #311 iossarian

The press release linked earlier suggests that Senior Lecturers are "regarded as professors", which are classic Law School weasel words IMHO.

This is not just true at U of C law school, though, it's elsewhere. I took a course while I was there from J.M. Coetzee, with the title of Senior Lecturer, and we certainly called him professor. Any academic institution, be it a law school or not, gets to decide who is a professor. It's a title of respect, accorded by peers-- they get to set the standard.

Anyway, it's not worth arguing about -if this is what Republicans have on Obama after years of desperately trying to find any kind of dirt of any kind on him, then that's a poor return on their investment of time and effort by anyone's standards.

Yeah. It just really irritates me because it's so moronic. They're trying to take away from his achievements as a scholar-- but he not only was a professor at U of C, he was invited to join the tenure track-- which is far more impressive.

320 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:47:03pm

re: #315 Lidane

Somewhere out there, Paul Ryan and Luap Nor have a sad:

Obama: Ayn Rand Is For Misunderstood Teenagers

Or for anybody who wants to understand what sort of twisted thinking produced Bioshock.

322 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:47:41pm

re: #320 Targetpractice

Exacly. Must remember to get that game sometime.

323 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:48:24pm

re: #322 ProGunLiberal

Exacly. Must remember to get that game sometime.

Would you kindly get that game?
;)

324 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:48:47pm

re: #323 Varek Raith

I probably will.

325 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:49:15pm

re: #324 ProGunLiberal

I probably will.

You'll get my inside joke when you play it.
;)

326 Lidane  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:49:44pm

re: #320 Targetpractice

Or for anybody who wants to understand what sort of twisted thinking produced Bioshock.

Bioshock wasn't exactly an endorsement of Ayn Rand, IIRC. If anything, that game shows how Objectivism can lead to some really twisted shit.

327 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:49:45pm

re: #325 Varek Raith

I already do. :)

328 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:50:30pm

Video: Rudkowski — Obama supporters hate Obama's policies

New York - In a case of sheer irony, Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change got out on the streets in New York City, interviewing Obama supporters in a slightly underhanded way about the NDAA, the Patriot Act, Drone Wars and the "Kill List."
Pretending that Mitt Romney, should he be elected, is threatening to sign a bill called the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), is planning on extending the Patriot Act, saying he would instigate a "Kill List" and planning to use drones in foreign countries, Rudkowski of We Are Change interviews unsuspecting Obama supporters.
Rudkowski states on the video page that he is not, in any way, supporting or endorsing Romney, but just used these methods to get an honest reaction and opinion from the people interviewed.
After each interview, he told the people what he was up to, and the reactions are mixed, and very telling, to say the least. It seems Obama's supporters are unaware of the NDAA, know little about the Patriot Act, and had no idea there was such a thing as a "kill list" and how the US is using drones to kill people, including civilians.

Youtube Video
329 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:50:32pm

I tried reading some of Rand's stuff in HS. I just couldn't do it.

330 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:52:13pm

re: #326 Lidane

Bioshock wasn't exactly an endorsement of Ayn Rand, IIRC. If anything, that game shows how Objectivism can lead to some really twisted shit.

It was sort of a deconstruction of both objectivism in the first and collectivism in the second. No man is an island, but he's also not part of a hive.

331 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:52:16pm

re: #328 Killgore Trout

“We are Change is awesome!”
-Cynthia McKinney

Killgore Trout reaches a new level in performance art: Unironically posting Occupy propaganda.

332 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:52:57pm

re: #331 Obdicut

Killgore Trout reaches a new level in performance art: Unironically posting Occupy propaganda.

PFFFTTTTBWAHAHAHAHAHA!

333 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:53:22pm

re: #319 Obdicut

It's a title of respect, accorded by peers-- they get to set the standard.

Pretty much. It's only made complex because it's also a job title, and the two categories don't overlap. Moreover they aren't exhaustive either: there are certainly people teaching at universities in the US who wouldn't get called professor, it's just that Obama wasn't one of them.

Meanwhile, it's very different in the UK, where (until a few years ago, when places started aping the US system because people like to be called "professor") nearly all permanent teaching staff were lecturers, and only a few bigwigs were given the title of professor. So there, you still need to know whether someone is really a professor before you go calling them that, otherwise embarrassment ensues.

And in France, the word "professeur" is used down to the elementary school level. But those guys eat raw garlic for breakfast, so what do they know?

334 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:53:46pm

Well, my son's paper on Joshua Chamberlain is full of grammatical errors and so on.

This is good, because it means he actually wrote it. If he had copied it, it would be perfect and read like an adult wrote it, which would be because an adult had written it.

335 Lidane  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:54:14pm

re: #330 Targetpractice

It was sort of a deconstruction of both objectivism in the first and collectivism in the second. No man is an island, but he's also not part of a hive.

Still haven't played the second one. I just haven't had the time or inclination lately to play any games. Maybe once I get settled in here at work I might start gaming again.

336 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:54:43pm

re: #333 iossarian

Yeah. And many people with professor explicitly in their title would be far lower on the totem pole than Obama.

337 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:55:05pm

re: #336 Obdicut

Yeah. And many people with professor explicitly in their title would be far lower on the totem pole than Obama.

Also true.

338 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:57:14pm

re: #331 Obdicut

Killgore Trout reaches a new level in performance art: Unironically posting Occupy propaganda.

The people's reactions at the end of the video are very enlightening. But of course it's not a surprise. These things were all outrageous when Bush was in office, not so much while Obama's in office. If Mitt becomes president they'll be outrageous again. So it goes. The Paulians and truthers are idiots but at least they're consistent.

339 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:57:38pm

re: #335 Lidane

Still haven't played the second one. I just haven't had the time or inclination lately to play any games. Maybe once I get settled in here at work I might start gaming again.

No rush, Bioshock Infinite's not coming out til next year. From all appearances, it will be a deconstruction as well, this time of nationalism.

340 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:57:39pm

In other news, Mitt Romney is in favor of policy X. Except he isn't. No, he is! No, really, he isn't! Or is he? Hold on a second... OK, we have the answer: it's skjdhgjs dksdg NO CARRIER

341 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:57:55pm

re: #331 Obdicut

Killgore Trout reaches a new level in performance art: Unironically posting Occupy propaganda.

Doesn't matter who said or if he believes it or not, all that matters if he will get attention for his Trolling.

342 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 3:59:07pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

The people's reactions at the end of the video are very enlightening. But of course it's not a surprise. These things were all outrageous when Bush was in office, not so much while Obama's in office. If Mitt becomes president they'll be outrageous again. So it goes. The Paulians and truthers are idiots but at least they're consistent.

No, the policies remain outrageous but any pragmatic and sane voter can tell that voting any other way than Democratic at this point in time in the US will basically lead to a bunch of woman-hating theocrats in charge of the world's most fearsome array of nuclear armaments.

343 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:01:05pm

Further breaking news: unicorns still not extant despite four years of Obama rule.

And more: rainbows do exist but do not issue direct from posterior of Obama.

344 ozbloke  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:02:21pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

The people's reactions at the end of the video are very enlightening. But of course it's not a surprise. These things were all outrageous when Bush was in office, not so much while Obama's in office. If Mitt becomes president they'll be outrageous again. So it goes. The Paulians and truthers are idiots but at least they're consistent.

Translation:
I was against OWS till I could use it for my benefit.

345 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:03:38pm

I see trollin, I be scrollin.

346 iossarian  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:04:29pm

re: #345 Varek Raith

I see trollin, I be scrollin.

Image: 3v.jpg

347 allegro  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:04:45pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

The people's reactions at the end of the video are very enlightening. But of course it's not a surprise. These things were all outrageous when Bush was in office, not so much while Obama's in office. If Mitt becomes president they'll be outrageous again. So it goes. The Paulians and truthers are idiots but at least they're consistent.

For someone who spends as much time reading Kos and other left sites as you do, I call bullshit on your deliberately deceptive premise. You know these policies are not popular among many (most?) on the left who have been paying attention. Those people stopped and interviewed on the street who find the policies surprising are not among those who are generally informed. Kinda like Leno's man-on-the-street interviews with people who cannot name the VP as such.

348 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:05:13pm

You know you're on the intertoobz too long when you tell your friend at the store to 'scroll down' so you can see the cereal boxes.

349 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:06:10pm

re: #338 Killgore Trout

The people's reactions at the end of the video are very enlightening. But of course it's not a surprise. These things were all outrageous when Bush was in office, not so much while Obama's in office. If Mitt becomes president they'll be outrageous again. So it goes. The Paulians and truthers are idiots but at least they're consistent.

Why are you presenting the video uncritically, as though these are the only Obama supporters he found?

That you can go out and find uninformed people isn't really news. That you'd actually take this as meaningful would be weird, if it wasn't just another part of your performance art.

I really love how you swerve from skeptic to totally credulous without missing a beat. You smarmily talk about peopel being fooled by reading something biased at ThinkProgress one moment, and the next you're showing Occupy propaganda without a qualm.

350 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:07:21pm

Next up, Iranian State propaganda!

351 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:07:41pm

re: #350 Varek Raith

Next up, Iranian State propaganda!

What, no Baghdad Bob?

352 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:08:48pm

re: #351 Targetpractice

What, no Baghdad Bob?

"We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels - We have driven them back."

353 dragonfire1981  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:09:11pm

re: #345 Varek Raith

I see trollin, I be scrollin.

Gonna catch me posting dirty...

354 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:09:32pm

Rainbows do too issue from Obama's ass!

355 Varek Raith  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:11:12pm

I disagree with Obama on the NDAA, therefore I will vote Romney!11!ty

356 Skip Intro  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:46:35pm

re: #62 wrenchwench

This is the Republicans' last shot at the presidency for quite a while.

A new potential Latino voter turns 18 every 30 seconds.

That's why, if they win this time, they'll be packing the Supreme Court with right wing hacks, passing restrictive voting laws, and loosening up the already ridiculously loose laws regarding campaign contributions.

They know they're losing the demographic battle, so it's time to go Full Rove and completely corrupt the system.

357 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:51:32pm

re: #315 Lidane

Somewhere out there, Paul Ryan and Luap Nor have a sad:

Obama: Ayn Rand Is For Misunderstood Teenagers

That alone is reason enough to vote for him.

358 Skip Intro  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:53:18pm

re: #165 Joanne

Romney and Ryan are doing NO pressers. No talking to the press AT ALL.

What about Queen Ann? Can't we get a couple of more "You Peoples" to tide us over until the election?

359 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 4:57:31pm

re: #328 Killgore Trout

Video: Rudkowski — Obama supporters hate Obama's policies

[Embedded content]

Lots of people living under rocks in this awful economy, it isn't their fault they never read, hear, or see anything about current events.

///

360 wheat-dogg  Thu, Oct 25, 2012 10:06:39pm

re: #177 Only The Lurker Knows

Electric scooters are common here in China, though not as much as gas-powered scooters or motorcycles. You don't need to license them, nor do you need a driver's license to use them. Probably not street-legal in the USA, I bet.


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