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1 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:58:40pm

Sorry about being hung up on Puerto Rico.

2 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:01:19pm

re: #1 ProGunLiberal

Sorry about being hung up on Puerto Rico.

Nothing to be sorry about. It's an interesting story

3 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:03:08pm

Ugh. So the first trailer for World War Z comes out and...well...ugh. Hollywood churns out another generic zombie movie:

4 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:07:24pm

Well, I don't know what they're talking about in the previous thread. And I'm having a cocktail. I should be in here.

5 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:07:43pm

re: #2 Digital Display

I think the PPD are, for lack of a better term, a bunch of douchecanoes.

6 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:08:55pm

Working my way from the Manhattan Bridge over to the West Side last Friday with all the traffic lights still out was one of the scarier times I've ever been behind the wheel. It all just seemed wrong.

7 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:10:33pm

re: #4 Gus

Well, I don't know what they're talking about in the previous thread. And I'm having a cocktail. I should be in here.

Hiya Gus! Hope you are doing well tonight.

8 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:13:40pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Ugh. So the first trailer for World War Z comes out and...well...ugh. Hollywood churns out another generic zombie movie:

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I still want to see it.
I've got my copy of the book on my dresser...
Maybe I should wait to read it. Otherwise, I'll pick the movie apart.

9 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:16:02pm

re: #8 OhNoZombies!

I'm torn about Red Dawn. Geek for the original, meh on the remake but may just have to go. . .or maybe rent?

10 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:16:40pm

re: #8 OhNoZombies!

I still want to see it.
I've got my copy of the book on my dresser...
Maybe I should wait to read it. Otherwise, I'll pick the movie apart.

Trust me, read the book and wait til the movie hits Redbox. You'll save yourself the price of admission.

11 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:17:03pm

re: #8 OhNoZombies!

If you're like me, wait! The movies can TOTALLY ruin a great book, (yes I'm looking at you Harry Potter)

12 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:17:49pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Are you into The Hobbit? I'm going and hoping for the best, the trailer makes me wonder how it's going to play out. . .

13 jaunte  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:18:20pm

re: #4 Gus

Well, I don't know what they're talking about in the previous thread. And I'm having a cocktail. I should be in here.

There should be an ex-Romney staffer's book about all the details any month now.

14 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:19:10pm

Looking at polling for the Israeli Election, I'm not hopeful for a solution in Israel/Palestine. Having Palestinian Friends this does make me sad. As you all can imagine, I will likely recuse myself from all conversations involving these two peoples.

How can a party that supports Ovidia Yosef (Shas) be considered a reasonable party? Same goes for Likud, as that party is descended from Irgun.

15 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:19:56pm

re: #13 jaunte

There should be an ex-Romney staffer's book about all the details any month now.

I laughed out loud when I saw that Frum had a book about how Romney lost ready for pre-order the next morning.

16 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:21:36pm

re: #12 DisturbedEma

Are you into The Hobbit? I'm going and hoping for the best, the trailer makes me wonder how it's going to play out. . .

It looks promising, so I'm willing to give it a chance.

17 Four More Beers  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:22:59pm

So if a Romney campaign goes down in flames and no one saw it, did it happen?

18 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:23:38pm

re: #9 DisturbedEma

I'm torn about Red Dawn. Geek for the original, meh on the remake but may just have to go. . .or maybe rent?

This is what it comes down too. A remake of an lame implausible script.
I fully expect Top Gun 2 next summer.
/Hi you!

19 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:23:40pm

re: #9 DisturbedEma

I'm torn about Red Dawn. Geek for the original, meh on the remake but may just have to go. . .or maybe rent?

Rent it.
Kragar has the details, but it's not like the original.
N. Korea invades us.

20 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:24:22pm

re: #7 Digital Display

Hiya Gus! Hope you are doing well tonight.

Hey Hoops. Doing as best I can. Was just working on something which is why I disappeared. How are you? Happy with the election?

21 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:25:07pm

re: #19 OhNoZombies!

Rent it.
Kragar has the details, but it's not like the original.
N. Korea invades us.

The million man swim..:)

22 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:25:50pm

re: #12 DisturbedEma

Are you into The Hobbit? I'm going and hoping for the best, the trailer makes me wonder how it's going to play out. . .

Jackson was convinced to draw it out into three films rather than the originally planned two. I fear that means there will be a lot of filler. OTOH, given that the LOTR trilogy still stands as the best of the big budget franchises in the 21st century of "film" making, so far, I hope that Jackson & Co. work really hard to make the second trilogy top notch.

23 Four More Beers  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:26:07pm

So Sen. Gillenbrand for the Dems in 2016, perhaps?

24 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:27:10pm

re: #23 Four More Beers

Is American ready for a female President?

25 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:27:24pm

re: #23 Four More Beers

So Sen. Gillenbrand for the Dems in 2016, perhaps?

Think she needs a little more exposure.

26 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:28:22pm

wingnuts continue to learn the wrong lessons since they continue to think that democrats believe things that democrats don't actually believe

“Standing on principle is the winning strategy.”

It’s what is right AND the right strategy. - If pandering to a Hispanic constituency that, like all Democrats, demands “freebies” and “Santa Claus presents”, consists of having to buckle under to their demands for a blind eye to illegal immigration - then they’ve made their bed, let them lie in it. - It’s dishonorable and unfair to all those who have come here for centuries the legal and honest way. Their Santa Daddy Obama is going to eventually run out of other people’s money. Let him have his adoration and then FLUSH!
...
Romney’s message - Work hard and I will assure you an opportunity to achieve the American dream.

Obama’s message - I’ll make everything fair, give you the American dream and someone else will do the work for it.
...
He could not be more wrong about Hispanics. They want free stuff. Maybe they are socially conservative, but they are driven by the same thing that the rest of the 47% are. They want other people’s money.
...

27 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:28:43pm

re: #20 Gus

Hey Hoops. Doing as best I can. Was just working on something which is why I disappeared. How are you? Happy with the election?

Hey you! Last time to vote in Oklahoma..It was a pain with me voting in a church on Campus here but Gus..
I'm very proud of our President..

28 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:29:17pm

Since we're talking movies, Javier Bardem as the Bond villain !!!
OMG. No Country for Old Men...
He scares me for real.

29 jaunte  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:29:17pm
30 geoduck  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:29:38pm

re: #18 Digital Display

This is what it comes down too. A remake of an lame implausible script.
I fully expect Top Gun 2 next summer.
/Hi you!

Tony Scott's suicide appears to have killed TG2.

31 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:32:05pm

National Journal chimes in, concerned that President Obama has been the one stonewalling governance:

Obama at the Hinge of History

In a clash of visions for the future, the president prevailed. But to realize his goals, he’ll have to find a flexibility he hasn’t shown.

[...]

Shall we call Obama "stiff-necked"?

32 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:34:33pm

re: #27 Digital Display

Hey you! Last time to vote in Oklahoma..It was a pain with me voting in a church on Campus here but Gus..
I'm very proud of our President..

I'm also glad I was saved the favor of having to go through the shock of an Obama loss. Didn't decide on which direction I would take. It would have been grueling. :D

33 Four More Beers  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:35:01pm

re: #29 jaunte

A black guy submitting to the will of Fixed News. Talk about the political equivalent of Stockholm Syndrome.

34 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:35:02pm

re: #22 freetoken

Well, considering the size of the Hobbit, they might be able to fill the movie in with almost all the dialogue from the book. I liked the feel of the first trailer, a Middle Earth before the sword was reforged.

35 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:37:55pm

I am an old white man. :D

36 Digital Display  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:39:18pm

re: #30 geoduck

Tony Scott's suicide appears to have killed TG2.

Oh Lawdy.. I didn't put that together when i was riffing about shitty 80's remakes.
My remark must have came across as insensitive. I'm Sorry..

37 jaunte  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:39:54pm

re: #35 Gus

Loose-leaf pages, slipping out of the binder.

38 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:40:19pm

re: #37 jaunte

Loose-leaf pages, slipping out of the binder.

Binders full of old white men.

39 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:41:12pm

re: #35 Gus

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I am an old white man. :D

Well, so am I.

That "binder" thing has a long life in editorial cartoon life.

40 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:41:44pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

me too- especially after the LOTR movies which were not perfect book wise but well done

41 jaunte  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:42:07pm

Riding on the City of New Orleans,
Illinois Central Monday morning rail
Fifteen cars and fifteen restless riders,
Three conductors and twenty-five sacks of mail.
All along the southbound odyssey
The train pulls out at Kankakee
Rolls along past houses, farms and fields.
Passin' trains that have no names,
Binders full of old white men
And the graveyards of the rusted automobiles.

42 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:42:19pm

re: #38 Gus

Need a Trapper Keeper. . .

43 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:43:15pm

re: #9 DisturbedEma

I'll admit, I enjoyed the original enough, however weird and impossible the scenario may be (most movies are).

North Korea though? What is this, Homefront? Considering the time it was made, Russia was at least plausible. North Korea has about as much chance invading here as I do invading the Playboy Mansion.

44 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:43:27pm

re: #36 Digital Display

My partner said that Ridley Scott was gonna be part of that, but now is not, are they related?

45 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:44:48pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Ugh. So the first trailer for World War Z comes out and...well...ugh. Hollywood churns out another generic zombie movie:

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From what I've heard, that entire film has been re-shot at least once and they've been plagued with issues. I don't have a lot of hope for it.

46 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:45:05pm

re: #43 Ghost of Tom Joad

Ok, you got me, after Dear Leader's nuke disaster, and with the irony that it was SUPPOSED to be about China but we blinked. . .I may wait for video

47 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:45:12pm

re: #44 DisturbedEma

My partner said that Ridley Scott was gonna be part of that, but now is not, are they related?

Brothers.

48 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:45:20pm

That National Journal article is quite a work. NRO could take craftiness lessons from them.

49 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:46:02pm

The slickest way to disparage someone is to be concerned.

50 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:46:22pm

re: #43 Ghost of Tom Joad

I think you hit it on the head- the original seemed close, and North Korea seems so out there. . .

51 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:46:48pm

I suppose the biggest movie I'm looking forward to is Lincoln but there's a lot of good upcoming stuff. Don't know why anyone could not enjoy a movie.

52 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:46:58pm

re: #47 HappyBenghazi

Awww, I didn't know, was just going to Google, thanks

53 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:47:02pm

re: #43 Ghost of Tom Joad

It was going to be China, but China threw a fit, as they like to do every week.

In a question, I did want to know, Kosovo moving in any way towards wanting to be annexed by Albania? Kosovo was part of Albania until the massive genocide just before World War I.

54 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:47:36pm

For Democrats, It’s (Ground) Game Over
Posted November 5, 2012

MEMO
FROM: RNC Political Director Rick Wiley
TO: Interested Parties
RE: For Democrats, It’s (Ground) Game Over

55 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:48:05pm

re: #52 DisturbedEma

Awww, I didn't know, was just going to Google, thanks

Not a prob.

56 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:48:21pm

re: #22 freetoken

That's what I heard, they're going to wind up adding things in to drag it out into a trilogy. Which is kind of weird, since most movie series tend to leave things out that you totally miss if you didn't read the books.

As long as it's like The Two Towers, which was by far my favorite, I'll be happy.

57 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:48:36pm

re: #34 dragonath

But what was weird was Galadriel smoothing hair from the Brow of Gandalf. . .still looking for that part in the book. . .seriously did I miss that?

58 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:49:17pm
59 jaunte  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:49:22pm

re: #54 Gus

They seem to have gotten some bad intelligence.

60 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:49:47pm

re: #59 jaunte

They seem to have gotten some bad intelligence.

Yellowcake is a lie.

61 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:50:07pm

The only contributor's name on that National Journal article is Ron Fournier, about whom you can read here:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

62 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:50:25pm

re: #57 DisturbedEma

Remember, Gandalf was off-page much of the book. Doing various things.

63 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:50:31pm

re: #56 Ghost of Tom Joad

I LOVED how the movie just picked up- so if you didn't see the first movie or had not read the book, better hurry up and catch up, I admit, I was kind of being a shit about the theater versions until the Director's cuts for the last 2 films, thought the first movie was ok as was. . .but LOVED the scenes they added to TT and ROTK!

64 jaunte  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:50:39pm

re: #60 Gus

Rainclouds are unaffected by imprecatory prayer.

65 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:50:44pm

They underestimated Obama's ground game big time. They(Obama's team) really work hard to get their supporters even ones like me who have never really worked for their campaigns out to vote.

66 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:51:01pm

re: #58 Gus

now that would be an ironic situation. . .

67 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:51:05pm

re: #58 Gus

I don't give a damn what time it is and what religion you follow. There's some shit you just don't do on a plane. I don't even care if there's too many mother$#)%$% snakes on the mother$#%#@ plane, you just don't.

68 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:51:13pm
69 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:51:38pm

re: #67 Ghost of Tom Joad

Thank you Samuel L. Joad :)

70 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:51:53pm

re: #56 Ghost of Tom Joad

As long as it's like The Two Towers, which was by far my favorite, I'll be happy.

TTT is my favorite also, especially the extended edition. It was one of the few big movies in contemporary times that had the soliloquy as a major tool for the film maker to convey his major points.

71 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:52:03pm

re: #68 dragonath

Image: tumblr_md7200ebx61rkd8gso1_1280.png

Well that's one solace they have that their candidate didn't.

72 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:52:09pm

re: #63 DisturbedEma

Liked RotK, but it was too long IMO.

73 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:52:23pm

re: #62 ProGunLiberal

Love child Legolas??? ;)

74 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:54:55pm

Krauthammer declares, regarding women's rights:

[...] The problem here for Republicans is not policy but delicacy. [...]

Uh, huh....

75 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:55:07pm

re: #70 freetoken

YES and also, in how the movies were marketed, my son Daniel and I, who were ok with the umm liberties, of Helm's Deep, but wanted more of the Horde and the little details that the readers were looking for, were ESTATIC for the Director's cuts. . .I was surprised that Christopher Lee, a LIFE LONG fan who reads the trilogy every year, had to wait for the director's cut for his big send off. . .but eh, show business:)

76 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:55:24pm

re: #73 DisturbedEma

......

No, the Council thing, among others.

77 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:56:02pm

re: #72 Ghost of Tom Joad

It kind of had to be, but point taken. I had no idea that they would do the Hobbit, so I loved every second of the "last" movie:) I'm a geek

78 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:56:47pm

re: #76 ProGunLiberal

I know, was being cheeky. I do LOVE the Dwarf Song in the trailers I've seen! Perfect in my opinion

79 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:57:19pm

re: #74 freetoken

Krauthammer declares, regarding women's rights:

Uh, huh....

Epistemic closure is one hell of a drug.

80 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:57:28pm

re: #74 freetoken

Krauthammer declares, regarding women's rights:

Uh, huh....

Why?

81 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:59:29pm

re: #75 DisturbedEma

I think the extended editions are necessary to understand the major backstories.

For example, top movie critic Roger Ebert, in his reviews, appears to not understand exactly what the Wizards are, or their roles in the big picture, simply calling Gandolf an old man. The whole cosmology of the Tolkien universe is based upon religious metaphors, something which a casual viewer who comes in and watches just one of the theatre-released versions (such as Ebert) might miss.

82 Interesting Times  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:59:29pm

re: #74 freetoken

Krauthammer declares, regarding women's rights: "The problem here for Republicans is not policy but delicacy"

Uh, huh....

Durr hurr, nothing wrong with forcing victims to bear a rapist's spawn, just be a little more delicate when you say so! Derp.

83 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:59:47pm

re: #56 Ghost of Tom Joad

re: #57 DisturbedEma

I'm really hoping they pick up on the part where Gandalf meets Thorin before he got to the Shire. The story shows up in the Return of the King appendixes, but the whole story shows up the Unfinished Tales compilation.

"A chance meeting, as they say in Middle Earth"

I expect the trilogy will probably involve Gandalf visiting Sauron's dungeons at Dol Guldur, and perhaps a flashback to his meeting with Thrain.

84 jaunte  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:00:21pm

re: #74 freetoken

Krauthammer declares, regarding women's rights:

Uh, huh....

Arguments like Krauthammer's built Las Vegas.

85 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:04:26pm

re: #80 Gus

Why?

For the same reason one climbs Mt. Everest - because it's there.

86 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:04:40pm

Obama wants 50 and Boehner wants 100. Make it 75.

87 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:05:14pm

re: #85 freetoken

For the same reason one climbs Mt. Everest - because it's there.

Probably turns him on like when Pat Robertson talks about pron.

88 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:05:44pm

re: #81 freetoken

Yes, and the historic animosity between dwarves and elves. . .

89 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:05:54pm

re: #77 DisturbedEma

It kind of had to be, but point taken. I had no idea that they would do the Hobbit, so I loved every second of the "last" movie:) I'm a geek

I was 8 1/2 months pregnant when I went to see Return of the King.
I didn't think it was ever going to end...

90 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:08:27pm
91 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:08:34pm

re: #87 Gus

Well, if you want me to be serious:

Krauthammer like nearly all humans wants to think more highly of themselves and their place on the social status structure, and the best way to do this is through what we call "wealth" and its visible elements, such as expensive jewelry, clothes, etc.

Krauthammer gets paid well to write and show up on TV (such as Fox), and he knows that those who butter his bread expects him to deliver. Having an competence in the English language above the average American, he can use that tool to present himself as someone who can deliver to the butter-owners what they desire - the continued delusion of the masses that the butter-owners deserve to control the butter because, well, that's the way God created it.

92 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:09:12pm

re: #91 freetoken

Well, if you want me to be serious:

Krauthammer like nearly all humans wants to think more highly of themselves and their place on the social status structure, and the best way to do this is through what we call "wealth" and its visible elements, such as expensive jewelry, clothes, etc.

Krauthammer gets paid well to write and show up on TV (such as Fox), and he knows that those who butter his bread expects him to deliver. Having an competence in the English language above the average American, he can use that tool to present himself as someone who can deliver to the butter-owners what they desire - the continued delusion of the masses that the butter-owners deserve to control the butter because, well, that's the way God created it.

Yeah, he's a dick.

93 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:09:45pm

re: #83 dragonath

My Son Adam hopes the same thing- he is hands down the biggest fan I know, he even read the Silmarillion. . .

94 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:09:57pm

If Krauthammer really wanted to impress people, he'd have a rocket-powered wheelchair.

95 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:10:03pm

re: #91 freetoken

pimf

Krauthammer, like nearly all humans ( who want to think more highly of themselves and their place on the social status structure) wants to keep his place in the pecking order, and the best way to do this is through what we call "wealth" and its visible elements, such as expensive jewelry, clothes, etc.

96 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:10:25pm

re: #94 dragonath

If Krauthammer really wanted to impress people, he'd have a rocket-powered wheelchair.

Now we're talkin'.

97 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:11:13pm

re: #89 OhNoZombies!

Ah, well, I was shot down by my ex for ANY LOTR names for the kids. . .but he was hell bent on a Star Trek name for one of them. . .I was able to salvage my son's future:)

98 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:11:59pm

re: #96 Gus

Oh, ok, just uncomfortable with that, sorry, no disrespect but no can't go there

99 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:12:13pm

re: #89 OhNoZombies!

The pregnancy, or the movie?

100 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:12:22pm

re: #97 DisturbedEma

Ah, well, I was shot down by my ex for ANY LOTR names for the kids. . .but he was hell bent on a Star Trek name for one of them. . .I was able to salvage my son's future:)

What's so wrong with a son named Pavel?

//

101 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:13:25pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

What's so wrong with a son named Pavel?

//

I would've went with Tiberius.

102 andres  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:13:59pm

re: #1 ProGunLiberal

Sorry about being hung up on Puerto Rico.

Don't worry. :)

re: #5 ProGunLiberal

I think the PPD are, for lack of a better term, a bunch of douchecanoes.

Well, these are the consequences of the PNP actions during this cycle.

In 2008, there was a special election to reduce the 2 Chambers into one, details to be sorted by the next Government. The pro-reduction side won decisively. Everyone was ok with that mandate. That is, until the PNP government entered in January and told everyone to f**k off, they were going to ignore it because it wasn't on their platform.

So this is a repayment of the same token: the PPD doesn't mention anything about this referendum, the alternatives thrown at the PPD were crafted without their input, so the PPD will feel free to ignore it.

And here's an article from last year on the Obama's stance on PR statehood. And here's from the Congress.

103 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:14:49pm

re: #97 DisturbedEma

Ah, well, I was shot down by my ex for ANY LOTR names for the kids. . .but he was hell bent on a Star Trek name for one of them. . .I was able to salvage my son's future:)

I know what you mean.
My husband wouldn't let me name my oldest Anakin.
Looking back, I'm glad he didn't, because the boy is awkward enough on his own without the baggage of a goofy name.

104 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:15:13pm

re: #98 DisturbedEma

Oh, ok, just uncomfortable with that, sorry, no disrespect but no can't go there

I thought it was funny. Just another "jet pack."

105 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:15:22pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

I wanted Strider for my son- nope, then I wanted Samwise. . .nope, then the name HE wanted from Star Trek? Tiberius. . .nope we went voyager

106 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:15:31pm

re: #99 Ghost of Tom Joad

The pregnancy, or the movie?

By that point, both.

107 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:16:13pm

re: #104 Gus

Fair enough, saw on FACEBOOK a post that had rocket shoes and the caption said "NIke, you have 2 years"

108 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:16:59pm

re: #103 OhNoZombies!

OMG I wanted either Anakin or Qui Gon!

109 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:17:05pm

My Dad talked so much about naming my youngest brother Cosmo that my grandmother whom was losing her memory at the time would often refer to him as such. He ended up being named for two of my Dad's brothers. Likes his name but hates a nickname that comes from it and I can't get a straight answer from him on it.

110 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:17:32pm

re: #54 Gus

For Democrats, It’s (Ground) Game Over
Posted November 5, 2012

MEMO
FROM: RNC Political Director Rick Wiley
TO: Interested Parties
RE: For Democrats, It’s (Ground) Game Over

Wow. That's some weapoons-grade denial right there.

111 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:17:55pm

re: #109 HappyBenghazi

Your brother was named after a Seinfeld character?!

//

112 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:18:48pm

re: #108 DisturbedEma

OMG I wanted either Anakin or Qui Gon!

Lucas was the other one.
We would call him Luke for short.

113 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:18:50pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Ugh. So the first trailer for World War Z comes out and...well...ugh. Hollywood churns out another generic zombie movie:

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yeah, it looks disappointing. CGI spectacular explosions, generic plot, absolutely nothing spooky or scary.

114 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:18:51pm

re: #105 DisturbedEma

If I ever have kids, I'd love to name them after something fantasy-based, but at the same time, that's just setting the kid up for nothing but years of abuse from friends/school etc. It's nice to be a little creative, but I don't want years of psychiatry bills.

115 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:19:45pm

re: #110 Lidane

Wow. That's some weapoons-grade denial right there.

I'm glad everyone thought it was a close race. It was a close race. In the end we on Obama's side heeded better. In the end we answered the call. Everyone went out and voted.

116 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:20:16pm

re: #74 freetoken

Krauthammer declares, regarding women's rights:

Uh, huh....

It can't be overstated -- Krauthammer is a hack.

The problem is absolutely one of policy. You can't tell half the population that their right to control their own bodies or to get paid equally for doing the same work doesn't matter and expect them to accept it quietly.

117 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:20:18pm

re: #111 dragonath

Your brother was named after a Seinfeld character?!

He was going to but he was ultimately named after two of my Dad's brothers. And my middle name is of our other uncle and grandfather.

118 b_Snark  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:20:23pm

re: #114 Ghost of Tom Joad

If I ever have kids, I'd love to name them after something fantasy-based, but at the same time, that's just setting the kid up for nothing but years of abuse from friends/school etc. It's nice to be a little creative, but I don't want years of psychiatry bills.

Grog and Nemo would be good.

119 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:21:27pm

re: #116 Lidane

It can't be overstated -- Krauthammer is a hack.

The problem is absolutely one of policy. You can't tell half the population that their right to control their own bodies or to get paid equally for doing the same work doesn't matter and expect them to accept it quietly.

Like I said this afternoon...

It's the policy stupid.

To the Republicans.

120 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:22:05pm

re: #114 Ghost of Tom Joad

Ok, as a Jewish mom I'm lucky that I can give them 2 names- The Star Trek kid? His English name is Paris Thomas (after Tom Paris on Star Trek Voyager) I's also guilty of naming one of my sons after a character in Ferris Bueller's Day off, his name is Cameron, and one of my sons was named a Scottish name that became popular after Breaveheart, which came out after he was born. . .I admit, I had a LOT more fun picking out their Hebrew names, because those names ended up fitting them perfectly:)

121 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:22:06pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

yeah, it looks disappointing. CGI spectacular explosions, generic plot, absolutely nothing spooky or scary.

Think what killed it instantly for me was the fast zombies. I could forgive a lot, but not turning a Romero-style scenario into 28 Days Later.

122 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:22:18pm

re: #102 andres

So essentially, PR is at the mercy of these two groups? And the Blank votes (the de-facto "Third Option") was wildly unpopular.

I guarantee that, in 2016, we will be right back here. PPD will overstep like the PNP and like their history of screwing up voting (They've done the blank ballot schtick before).

The PPD is advocating for an untenable situation for Puerto Rico. Not fully in control of itself, and not getting many perks that a state would get that would be very helpful. Not to mention that the UN is breathing down our necks on this.

Though the PNP would be well served in adding a Unicameralism plank. Nebraska already does it.

123 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:22:48pm

Because political dynasties are so important:

'NEXT BUSH' MAKES CAMPAIGN FILING IN TEXAS

A Texas official says a nephew of former President George W. Bush has made a campaign filing that is required for someone to run for office in his home state.

Tim Sorrells, general counsel for the Texas Ethics Commission, says George P. Bush filed a campaign treasurer appointment on Wednesday. Sorrells told The Associated Press on Thursday night the document is required for someone to become a candidate under campaign finance law.

[...]

Is the world ready for a third "George Bush"?

124 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:23:21pm

Funny name wouldn't be so bad. I was a junior. Do you know how hard it is to make a nice cursive J in your signature with doctor's grade handwriting?

125 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:23:28pm

re: #123 freetoken

GWB III The Revenge? or not. . .hmmmm

126 DisturbedEma  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:24:54pm

re: #124 Big Joe Ghazi

I gave my kids 2 middle names to make both sides happy- and I have SUB doctor's grade handwriting:)

127 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:25:57pm

And so it begins, the John Galts rise up:

Utah company blames President Obama for 102 workers laid off

A Utah coal company owned by a vocal critic of President Barack Obama has laid off 102 miners.

The layoffs at the West Ridge Mine are effective immediately, according to UtahAmerican Energy Inc., a subsidiary of Murray Energy Corp. They were announced in a short statement made public Thursday, two days after Obama won re-election.

The layoffs are necessary because of the president's "war on coal," the statement said. The slogan is one used frequently during the election by Murray Energy CEO Robert Murray, who was an ardent supporter of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

[...]

128 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:27:29pm

re: #127 freetoken

And so it begins, the John Galts rise up:

Utah company blames President Obama for 102 workers laid off

Yeah won't even give the president a chance with his polices. Just fuck you the election didn't turn out the way I wanted so I am going to take my rage out on workers. And people wonder why unions exist.

129 b_Snark  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:27:50pm

re: #127 freetoken

And so it begins, the John Galts rise up:

Utah company blames President Obama for 102 workers laid off

What is this guy's name, Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler?

130 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:28:00pm

re: #127 freetoken

And so it begins, the John Galts rise up:

Utah company blames President Obama for 102 workers laid off

Can't they make coal more competitive?

[Cough]

131 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:28:21pm

re: #102 andres

Of course, if the PPD does ignore it, they will be wiped out in 2016.

As for preservation of heritage, New Mexico is still very heavily its own thing. They can take measures to keep themselves themselves. WHich is going to be much easier as an Island. You'll notice the same thing in Hawaii. The Native Hawaiian seems to be doing better in many regards than the Native American Counterparts.

132 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:28:22pm

re: #127 freetoken

And so it begins, the John Galts rise up:

Utah company blames President Obama for 102 workers laid off

My old man read today about government layoffs in anticipation of the sequestration not being stopped, proceeded to declare it Obama's fault because he knows for sure it wouldn't have happened if Romney had been elected.

*sigh*

133 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:28:38pm

re: #127 freetoken

If they had 102 people they didn't need they're idiots. If they laid off 102 people they need they're idiots. Therefore they must be idiots.

134 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:29:04pm

re: #127 freetoken

Murray Energy sounds familiar. In a bad way.

135 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:29:42pm

re: #125 DisturbedEma

GWB III The Revenge? or not. . .hmmmm

Actually this would be GPBI. George W. Bush isn't George W. Bush Jr. It's an interesting thing really giving the same first name but different middle names though from what I see they're honoring grandfathers and great grandfathers.

136 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:29:49pm

re: #134 ProGunLiberal

Murray Energy sounds familiar. In a bad way.

Mine cave-in due to years of telling the EPA and OSHA to shove off.

137 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:30:09pm

re: #134 ProGunLiberal

Murray Energy sounds familiar. In a bad way.

You sure you're not thinking of Massey and Don Blankenship?

138 b_Snark  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:30:14pm

re: #130 Gus

Can't they make coal more competitive?

[Cough]

These fracking idiots blame Obama for the drop in demand for coal when the reason is the world economy and the move to natural gas.

139 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:30:31pm

re: #128 HappyBenghazi

And people wonder why unions exist.

Seriously.

Let all these bitter assholes fire people because an election didn't turn out the way they wanted. How easy will it be to fill all those positions in time to meet whatever current goals/deadlines they have, especially now that the boss has been outed as an overly sensitive, partisan prick?

140 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:30:51pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

I remember that. Utah right?

And I thought there was something more recent.

141 jaunte  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:30:59pm

re: #127 freetoken

The layoffs would also have happened if Romney had been elected, but the press release would read differently.

142 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:31:22pm

It's a changing world. It sucks for people whose families have worked generations in the mines but it is what it is and it's certainly not Obama's fault despite what the executives and politicians tell them.

143 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:31:28pm

re: #140 ProGunLiberal

I remember that. Utah right?

And I thought there was something more recent.

Wait, sorry, thinking Massey. My mistake.

144 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:31:45pm

re: #139 Lidane

In Utah?

Probably real easy. Hell, the population there will see it a "Good and Godly" company.

145 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:31:48pm
146 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:31:51pm

re: #8 OhNoZombies!

I still want to see it.
I've got my copy of the book on my dresser...
Maybe I should wait to read it. Otherwise, I'll pick the movie apart.

I thought the book was really good, although I should say that I heard the audiobook version. Not sure how much difference that makes. Max Brooks also wrote "The Zombie Survival Guide" in 2003, which I think is better.

Don't worry about picking the movie apart. You'll either enjoy it, or you won't. We have CRITICS to tell us whether it's any GOOD or not. You may note that nobody ever built a monument to a critic.

147 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:32:28pm

re: #143 Targetpractice

No, you were right. The Crandell Mine Collapse.

148 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:32:29pm

re: #145 Lidane

Coal Workers Say Murray Energy ‘Coerces’ Them To Make GOP Donations: ‘If You Don’t Contribute, Your Job’s At Stake’

That's right. Thought I knew the name too but I thought PLL was thinking of Massey since Blankenship's gotten a lot of press.

149 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:33:31pm

Teh #1 LBFM-fantasy of the wingnuts doubles down on the hate:

On Fox, Michelle Malkin Attacks Obama Administration As "Jihadi-Coddling"

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world:

Obama victory infuriates Pakistani drone victims

150 b_Snark  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:33:41pm

re: #145 Lidane

Coal Workers Say Murray Energy ‘Coerces’ Them To Make GOP Donations: ‘If You Don’t Contribute, Your Job’s At Stake’

How many deaths have there been at Murray Energy sites? If memory serves, they have a horrible safety record.

151 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:34:02pm

re: #141 jaunte

The layoffs would also have happened if Romney had been elected, but the press release would read differently.

I doubt that. He'd still have blamed Obama and the EPA.

152 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:34:33pm

re: #147 ProGunLiberal

No, you were right. The Crandell Mine Collapse.

Yeah, but I was thinking the Massey one 3 years back, Upper Big Branch.

153 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:34:40pm

re: #149 freetoken

To the Drone Victims:

Perhaps you should stop sheltering the scum of the earth and war criminals, and this wouldn't happen.

Lay down with dogs, and you will get fleas.

I really have no pity.

154 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:34:56pm

Coal kills more people than nuclear power.

155 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:35:03pm

re: #144 ProGunLiberal

In Utah?

Probably real easy. Hell, the population there will see it a "Good and Godly" company.

I'm not so sure about that.

Coal mining is hard. You can't just walk in and start doing it. It's like the dipshits who think that you can fire all your migrant farm workers then hire a bunch of new people immediately to fill the gaps because how hard is it to pick fruits and veggies? It's not that simple.

156 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:35:06pm

re: #149 freetoken

Teh #1 LBFM-fantasy of the wingnuts doubles down on the hate:

On Fox, Michelle Malkin Attacks Obama Administration As "Jihadi-Coddling"

Meanwhile, elsewhere in the real world:

Obama victory infuriates Pakistani drone victims

:-)

157 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:35:11pm

re: #127 freetoken

And so it begins, the John Galts rise up:

Utah company blames President Obama for 102 workers laid off

CEO of that company:
Image: iCLso.jpg

158 jaunte  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:35:57pm

re: #149 freetoken

On Fox, Michelle Malkin Attacks Obama Administration As "Jihadi-Coddling"

"Obama authorised nearly 300 drone strikes in Pakistan during his first four years in office, more than six times the number during the administration of George W Bush"

He's so coddly.

159 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:37:01pm

re: #155 Lidane

I'm not so sure about that.

Coal mining is hard. You can't just walk in and start doing it. It's like the dipshits who think that you can fire all your migrant farm workers then hire a bunch of new people immediately to fill the gaps because how hard is it to pick fruits and veggies? It's not that simple.

It's why you often see miners that have been in families that have been doing it for generations especially out in Kentucky. Part of the reason why my Mom's parents moved down here to begin with was because my grandpa didn't want to work in the mines. He had seen it shorten his father's life. He ended up getting into construction down here.

160 andres  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:37:11pm

re: #122 ProGunLiberal

So essentially, PR is at the mercy of these two groups? And the Blank votes (the de-facto "Third Option") was wildly unpopular.

I guarantee that, in 2016, we will be right back here. PPD will overstep like the PNP and like there history of screwing up voting (They've done the blank ballot schtick before).

The PPD is advocating for an untenable situation for Puerto Rico. Not fully in control of itself, and not getting many perks that a state would get that would be very helpful. Not to mention that the UN is breathing down our necks on this.

Though the PNP would be well served in adding a Unicameralism plank. Nebraska already does it.

Yep: those are Puerto Rico's main parties. And there's a third one (PIP, pro-independence), but they don't count. (This election year participated 3 new parties, which generated a lot of enthusiasm. I really hope they can pull it together next election.)

The largest problem with the PPD in regards of the status is that it's untenable inwards: they have both a pro-eventually-statehood and a pro-eventually-independence wings, which makes the status a very complicated matter that the leadership try to sweep under the rug to try to get some work done.

I don't think the PPD would overstep that much (at least, compared to the current administration). But they tend to be wussies.

The UN has been breathing on the US neck for a very long time. With Cuba at the spearhead. And no, this isn't just a tit-for-tat of Cuba against the US. PR and Cuba have a long history assisting each other.

The funny thing about the Unicameralism special election: the PNP was instrumental in getting that special election, because they held both Senate and House of Representatives. In other words, they were in favor of Unicameralism before they were against it.

161 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:37:46pm

Nothing like coddling like Al Queda being at its weakest point in history. But it's okay Michelle, you obviously know better because you know the truth.//

162 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:37:59pm

You gotta admit. Megyn Kelly's "Republican math" quote was killer.

163 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:38:18pm

re: #162 Gus

You gotta admit. Megyn Kelly's "Republican math" quote was killer.

missed it

164 b_Snark  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:38:35pm

re: #154 Gus

Coal kills more people than nuclear power.

It wouldn't if people would just learn to chew more before they swallow.

Never swallow bullshit whole.

165 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:39:04pm

re: #163 freetoken

missed it

Here somewhere...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

166 b_Snark  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:39:27pm

re: #162 Gus

You gotta admit. Megyn Kelly's "Republican math" quote was killer.

Is that what she meant to say, or was it a Freudian slip?

167 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:40:46pm

re: #166 b_snark

Is that what she meant to say, or was it a Freudian slip?

...Mr. Rove stammered through some more numbers, and then, in a moment that couldn't have been more perfect, Ms. Kelly asked him this: “Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better or is this real?”...

168 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:41:21pm
169 andres  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:42:05pm

re: #131 ProGunLiberal

Of course, if the PPD does ignore it, they will be wiped out in 2016.

As for preservation of heritage, New Mexico is still very heavily its own thing. They can take measures to keep themselves themselves. WHich is going to be much easier as an Island. You'll notice the same thing in Hawaii. The Native Hawaiian seems to be doing better in many regards than the Native American Counterparts.

I think they'll let the Commissioner alone in this fight in the Congress: they won't go against it directly, but they'll feel no obligation to support him.

But then, there's the question of what to do with the blank ballots. (BTW, this is the ballot in question. Warning: big PDF.)

170 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:43:36pm

re: #160 andres

Then what the hell happened? People got worried about their jobs?

The way you described the PPD, it makes me think that, even if statehood doesn't happen right now, it will come to pass. And, like the last PPD Governor, this one will be thoroughly corrupt and like other PPD governors, quite willing to sabotage or muddle any status referendums.

The PPD's position makes it so easily corrupted. And their are enough PNP in the House to block his little "Constitutional Convention" plan, and his attempts at another referendum.

171 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:43:49pm

Have I mentioned how I hate the newly fucked up Google search page?

172 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:44:47pm

re: #169 andres

Unfortunately for them, the lame duck Governor is there. Fortuno could drag the PPD into oblivion with him.

173 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:45:51pm

I'm getting more results in my searches now using Bing than I am using Google. As near as I can tell, the new Google front end is only giving me a sub-sample of the results that some algorithm decides I want.

174 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:46:39pm

re: #169 andres

That is so simple a ballot. Gives clear options. And it looks clear to me that it is phrased so that Q1 is a trigger for Q2.

Speaking of ballots, now that the election is over, can I put up the 19.5 inch long question on here? It needs to be saved for posterity.

175 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:49:07pm
176 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:50:28pm

re: #169 andres

I should like to point out also that the PPD has never defined the "Enhanced Commonwealth" option. In fact, I am under the impression that it looks a whole lot like the Free Association option, under a different name.

177 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:51:31pm

I am beginning to have trouble with the Acronym soup now. XD

178 andres  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:54:26pm

re: #170 ProGunLiberal

Then what the hell happened? People got worried about their jobs?

The way you described the PNP, it makes me think that, even if statehood doesn't happen right now, it will come to pass. And, like the last PNP Governor, this one will be thoroughly corrupt and like other PPD governors, quite willing to sabotage or muddle any status referendums.

The PPD's position makes it so easily corrupted. And their are enough PNP in the House to block his little "Constitutional Convention" plan, and his attempts at another referendum.

If everything continues as it is, I think statehood will be inevitable.

The last two referendums, the problem has been that the PNP has tried to decide what the PPD should defend. And the PPD leadership resents that. In 1998, the 5th column (none of the above) won quite handily. The PNP spin it by not taking into account those votes, and going to Congress claiming that they had a clear majority.

There will always be enough minority legislators to stop votes that require 2/3rds majorities. The way the law is written here, if the majority party wins more than 2/3rds of the legislature, they will add enough minority party legislators until said Chamber is at 2/3rds.

179 andres  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:54:45pm

re: #177 ProGunLiberal

I am beginning to have trouble with the Acronym soup now. XD

We go by colors. It's easier. :P

180 andres  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:57:58pm

re: #176 ProGunLiberal

I should like to point out also that the PPD has never defined the "Enhanced Commonwealth" option. In fact, I am under the impression that it looks a whole lot like the Free Association option, under a different name.

You're right on both accounts. The PPD as a whole hasn't defined the Enhanced Commonwealth option. A splinter group inside the PPD usually defends it, and tends to be the most vocal of it. But, IIRC, it went as Free Association on the 1998 referendum.

And yes, this is a huge mess.

re: #179 andres

We go by colors. It's easier. :P

Or party symbols.

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:59:35pm

re: #14 ProGunLiberal

How can a party that supports Ovidia Yosef (Shas) be considered a reasonable party? Same goes for Likud, as that party is descended from Irgun.

Fatah is a faction of the PLO. If we wait for political parties in the Middle East with clean pedigrees, we'll be waiting till the crack of doom.

We either get somewhere with the situation we've got, or we go nowhere at all.

182 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:01:51pm

re: #178 andres

I do find it ironic that the PNP calls the referendum "Undemocratic." As they are the ones who have undermined at least one other referendum in the past with this "Blank Ballot" bullshit.

And if the PNP wants to play corrupt hardball to get try and get a new constitution to end run around the proper channels, they will be halted in the Senate, where the PNP will hold everything down, causing a swing reversal in 2016.

re: #180 andres

The PPD just sounds corrupt. Essentially, they want to keep Puerto Rico in this manner, as it isn't covered by US State laws. Think the Northern Marianas Exemptions.

183 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:02:12pm
184 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:03:33pm

New mammoth fossil near Paris shows relationship with early humans.

A rare near-complete woolly mammoth skeleton found 50 km east of Paris could allow archaeologists and scientists to better understand early humans' relationship with the colossal mammal.

"Relationship"?

That's an easy one. One party is the "bar-b-cue-ee" and the other is the "bar-b-cue-or"

186 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:05:27pm

Hannity is lashing out, he seems butt hurt.

187 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:05:33pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm expecting an explosion in the Palestinian Territories (Gaza Strip, and what remains of the West Bank) to occur against both. Hopefully, someone is strategizing a way to pull through the coming car wreck with a sane plan.

Unfortunately, it seems Israel will not budge on settlements. In addition, Israel doesn't want to apologize for Deir Yassin and similar incidents. Such as the assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte and the Trondheim Affair, which has alienated them from Scandinavia.

188 CarleeCork  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:08:25pm

re: #157 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

CEO of that company:
Image: iCLso.jpg

What a dick.

189 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:09:05pm

re: #153 ProGunLiberal

To the Drone Victims:

Perhaps you should stop sheltering the scum of the earth and war criminals, and this wouldn't happen.

Lay down with dogs, and you will get fleas.

I really have no pity.

The problem is that there are people who haven't a lot of choice in where they hang out, and with whom they associate who are also in harm's way. I don't say that should change anything. It just is.

When they took out al-Zarqawi, his sixteen year old wife was with him. I don't imagine she had an option to be elsewhere.

190 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:09:24pm
191 CarleeCork  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:10:08pm

re: #123 freetoken

Because political dynasties are so important:

'NEXT BUSH' MAKES CAMPAIGN FILING IN TEXAS

Is the world ready for a third "George Bush"?

In Texas? Youbetcha.

192 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:11:09pm
193 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:12:50pm

re: #192 freetoken

GLOBAL COOLING!!

Records Fall as November Nor’easter Dumps A foot of Snow

Just wait for it.

194 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:15:34pm

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe it is just the crap of the past year I am recovering from, but I still can't feel pity for them.

I've heard the reports on the Taliban massacre in Mazar-i-Sharif, and their ethnic cleansing and genocides when they were in power. To me, every Taliban fighter is a Hitler. Mercy should not be given to the Taliban as they had none for the opposition and many minorities.

And, once this is over, Pakistan should have a reckoning of some sort.

195 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:18:52pm

re: #194 ProGunLiberal

Personally, I think the reckoning should be a document dump, withholding only the known location of nukes and the names and identifying information of intelligence assets. Essentially, tear the curtain off hiding Pakistan's ills. Give a little fuel to the Balochis.

196 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:20:57pm

Just because:

Breastfeeding baby doll: creepy or groundbreaking?

We've got dolls that wet, crawl and talk. We've got dolls with perfect hourglass figures. We've got dolls with swagger. And we've got plenty that come with itty bitty baby bottles.

But it's a breastfeeding doll whose suckling sounds are prompted by sensors sewn into a halter top at the nipples of little girls that caught some flak after hitting the U.S. market.

"I just want the kids to be kids," Bill O'Reilly said on his Fox News show when he learned of the Breast Milk Baby. "And this kind of stuff. We don't need this."

[...]

Bill O does not approve of this:

197 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:26:03pm

Great reader comment from CBS site ~
AUCUSTICAL says:"Believe in America - the Real America

Our Constitution is for all of us, not a select few. It makes us all equal under the rule of law. The Constitution may have been written by white men, but they don't own it. The freedoms it allows are for everyone. Check it.

We will not be deterred from exercising our right to vote. Each attempt of voter suppression will bring forth the wrath of the electorate and you will never win. Deal with it.

Women outnumber men in the electorate. This means if you force your personal opinions and religious views on us, you will surely lose. In fact, we will replace you with a woman to correct your error in judgment. We will not accept less pay for equal work. Face it.

Our citizens come in every size, type and color. Some are more colorful than others and use the rainbow to remind you just how narrow minded you truly are. We are all Americans. Accept it.

America is not a Theocracy and we treasure Separation of Church and State. Our forefathers refused to shove a State Church down our throat allowing freedom for it as well as from it. The Light you attempt to force turns to Darkness with every hateful, racist, homophobic remark spewed from your lips. The Lord gave us free will. Read it and stop thumping it.

Corporations aren't real people.You can't Buy it."

Brava!

198 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:33:42pm

re: #196 freetoken

Just because:

Breastfeeding baby doll: creepy or groundbreaking?

Bill O does not approve of this:

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Why should a breastfeeding doll be creepy?

199 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:34:50pm

Wow, just saw Hannity with Malkin, this Bejazzy place is turning into a scandal. We should all probably give it the attention it deserves.
//

I really should turn off the TV. It's not healthy.

200 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:34:51pm

re: #197 prairiefire

Well, to counter that, I can off up the latest Buchanan rant, where he launches into his idea of what the real problem is with America - too many BROWN PEOPLE!!

Is the GOP Headed for the Boneyard?

[...]

Still, the GOP crisis is not so much illegal as legal immigration. Forty million legal immigrants have arrived in recent decades. Some 85 percent come from Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East. Most arrived lacking the academic, language and labor skills to compete for high-paying jobs.

What does government do for them?

Subsidizes their housing and provides free education for their kids from Head Start through K-12, plus food stamps and school lunches, Pell Grants and student loans for college, Medicaid if they are sick, earned income tax credits if they work and 99 weeks of unemployment checks if they lose their job.

These are people who depend upon government.

[...]

FOOD STAMPS!! BROWN PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

201 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:35:58pm

re: #198 Gus

Why should a breastfeeding doll be creepy?

Because boobs should only be for old white males, like Bill O.

202 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:37:37pm

re: #201 freetoken

Because boobs should only be for old white males, like Bill O.

So Republican men are REDACTED to breast feeding women? That's pretty strange.

203 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:38:57pm

I am so fucking staying out of this.

204 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:40:02pm

I'm not going to comment. damn damn damn

205 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:41:31pm

re: #186 Big Joe Ghazi

Hannity is lashing out, he seems butt hurt.

he's horribly chagrined and angry to find out that making fun of other people is allowed for people who are not republicans

206 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:42:06pm

OK, all the bad jokes have been suppressed.

207 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:45:19pm

If I agree with anything the pundits are saying about this election, it would be that the intra-GOP division about "hispanics" is indeed hurting them. To counter PaleoPat, country club GOPer Monica Charan writes:

Why Romney Lost the Hispanic Vote

[...]

No, the margin of victory for Obama came from Hispanic voters. “A big reason I will win a second term,” he told the Des Moines Register just before the election, “is because the Republican nominee and Republican Party have so alienated the fastest-growing demographic group in the country, the Latino community.”

It gives me no pleasure to say that I’ve been warning of this for many years. Conservatives and Republicans simply must address Hispanic voters in terms that do not sound hostile. As Senator Marco Rubio put it to Juan Williams, “It’s very hard to make the economic argument to people who think you want to deport their grandmother.”

[...]

Freetoken's shorter version of the GOP conundrum: Either you stop hating on brown people, or they'll not vote for you.

208 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:48:32pm

re: #207 freetoken

If I agree with anything the pundits are saying about this election, it would be that the intra-GOP division about "hispanics" is indeed hurting them. To counter PaleoPat, country club GOPer Monica Charan writes:

Why Romney Lost the Hispanic Vote

Freetoken's shorter version of the GOP conundrum: Either you stop hating on brown people, or they'll not vote for you.

They'll take that and hear "Hate on brown people in a nicer language."

209 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:49:56pm

Also over at National Racists Online, the editor, Rich Lowry, thinks he can rise above the hate/not-hate brown people war inside the GOP:

The GOP’s Middle-Class Problem

[...]

In the wake of Tuesday’s debacle, there will be a natural tendency for Republicans to want to try to appeal to specific demographic groups, in a direct counter to President Obama. This is likely to result in much that is foolhardy and ineffectual. Better for Republicans to think seriously about how to identify with the interests of the broad middle of the country, and to convince it that their policies will advance those interests.

[...]

In his role as NR editor, Lowry has become quite crafty at avoiding confronting the racists that are a key part of their audience.

210 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:50:33pm

re: #208 Big Joe Ghazi

They'll take that and hear "Hate on brown people in a nicer language."

Yup.

211 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:57:31pm

The Atlantic: How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File

Before rank-and-file conservatives ask, "What went wrong?", they should ask themselves a question every bit as important: "Why were we the last to realize that things were going wrong for us?"

Barack Obama just trounced a Republican opponent for the second time. But unlike four years ago, when most conservatives saw it coming, Tuesday's result was, for them, an unpleasant surprise. So many on the right had predicted a Mitt Romney victory, or even a blowout -- Dick Morris, George Will, and Michael Barone all predicted the GOP would break 300 electoral votes. Joe Scarborough scoffed at the notion that the election was anything other than a toss-up. Peggy Noonan insisted that those predicting an Obama victory were ignoring the world around them. Even Karl Rove, supposed political genius, missed the bulls-eye. These voices drove the coverage on Fox News, talk radio, the Drudge Report, and conservative blogs.

Those audiences were misinformed.

Good article.

212 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:07:00pm

Fox News Audience Abandons Ship After Obama Wins

As the broader television audience peaked into the evening, those watching CNN and MSNBC remained attentive to breaking news and analysis throughout the night. However, those watching Fox News switched off their media feeding tube shortly after the network declared that President Obama had been reelected.

Rather than be subjected to news that they found discomforting, the Fox audience turned away, even from their own partisan choice for what they think is news. The reelection of the President must have come as a something of a shock to Fox viewers because Fox had been relentlessly positive about Mitt Romney's inevitable success, while portraying Obama as a failure who was destined to be rejected for a second term by a populace who despised him. Fox disparaged any polling that showed Obama ahead as biased and unreliable - even their own.

213 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:08:36pm

You thought the guy who fired his workers or the Freeper who was going off the grid were bad? Check this out.

Republicans around the country are responding to President Obama's reelection in a variety of ways — among them: anger, depression, finger-pointing. But nobody had the same reaction as Eric Dondero, a former Ron Paul aide who blogs at LibertarianRepublican.net. In a post yesterday, Dondero, reasoning that the only recourse to Obama's victory is "outright revolt," laid out the terms of the "personal boycott" against Democrats which he plans to maintain for the rest of his life and that he hopes his followers will as well. What does the boycott entail?

All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.

I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.

Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.

Have a neighbor who votes for Obama? You could take a crap on their lawn. Then again, probably not a good idea since it would be technically illegal to do this. But you could have your dog take care of business. Not your fault if he just happens to choose that particular spot.

They have lost their fucking minds.

214 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:09:59pm

re: #213 makeitstopghazi

You thought the guy who fired his workers or the Freeper who was going off the frid were bad? Check this out.

They have lost their fucking minds.

Sheesh. If you're going to disown friends and family because you hate the man they voted for then you never really valued them in the first place. That's really sad.

215 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:14:33pm

re: #214 HappyBenghazi

Sheesh. If you're going to disown friends and family because you hate the man they voted for then you never really valued them in the first place. That's really sad.

Nothing says love and friendship like emotional blackmail and shunning over politics.

216 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:15:19pm

re: #215 Ben G. Hazi

Nothing says love and friendship like emotional blackmail and shunning over politics.

No kidding. Really I would never end a friendship or romance over politics. People disagree. It's part of the world we live in.

217 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:15:59pm

You can't fly IFR very long if your instruments are feeding you bad information.

218 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:16:28pm

re: #213 makeitstopghazi

You thought the guy who fired his workers or the Freeper who was going off the grid were bad? Check this out.

They have lost their fucking minds.

If you go to that guy's original post (if it's still up), the comments from him are even better.

Basically, in his mind, anyone who isn't libertarian is basically Hitler.

219 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:17:10pm

re: #218 JamesWI

If you go to that guy's original post (if it's still up), the comments from him are even better.

Basically, in his mind, anyone who isn't libertarian is basically Hitler.

Heil Me!

220 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:17:38pm

re: #212 JamesWI

Fox News Audience Abandons Ship After Obama Wins

Also know as "Avalanche on Bullshit Mountain!"

221 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:19:12pm

re: #209 freetoken

As long as the GOP supports a value system that rewards people who use loopholes and insider tricks at the expense of working people, they will always have a problem.

But usually they try to hide that aspect.

222 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:20:59pm

re: #213 makeitstopghazi

You thought the guy who fired his workers or the Freeper who was going off the frid were bad? Check this out.

They have lost their fucking minds.

If you think the first part of that "article" is bad, get a load of this rancid shit:

A Democratic family member is dying of cancer. He wants you to come visit him in the hospital, which is within walking distance, before he passes. Do you go?
No. Read my original piece. I'm done with any and all Democrats in my life for good. And trust me on this. I've just had a pretty intense experience with someone close to me today, someone I've known since childhood. It's hard for me not to respond to this person. Very, very hard. But so far, I've held. If there is one person out there who I would break down my rule for it is this person. Lifelong friend. East Coast in fact. It's been 24 hours and I'm still holding strong. this person read the original piece I wrote. The email response from this individual sits in my in-box. I almost responded twice today. Even started writing the reply. But I pulled back. I am truly hoping that this person sends me an email with the following message in the Subject line: I have left the Democrat Party and will never vote Democrat again.

You require a risky and complicated brain surgery, one that is performed by only two neurosurgeons in the country. One is a Republican and the other is a Democrat, but the Republican is generally unknown, and the Democrat was just heralded by Time Magazine as the nation's best neurosurgeon. Everything else — the cost, location, etc. — is the same. Which doctor do you choose?
Simple: Avoid them both. Go to Mexico for your medical treatment. Avoid all the red tape and bureaucracy.

You come upon a neighbor — whom you know to be a Democrat — drowning in a lake. You're the only person in the vicinity. Do you help him?
Whew! Now that one is really, really tough. I honestly do not have an answer for that one. You could always be a smartass about it I suppose. Scream: "Hey Joe, you sure you're a Democrat? Just say the word, 'Obama sucks,' simple as that. Just mouth the words 'Obama sucks' and I'm in the water."

A close Democratic family member is hanging off the side of a cliff. A Republican who is also an admitted child molester is also nearby hanging off the side of the same cliff. They both have but seconds until they plummet to their deaths, and you only have time to save one. Whom do you save?
Man, you're good.

I guess I ask the Democrat again to yell out "Obama sucks," and Ill be there in a jiffy to lend him a hand (pun intended.) The Republican child molester? I tell him to join that asshole Sandusky, Ed Savitz and that former Philly DA Ed Rendell who covered up for Savitz and a whole shitload of other Democrat child molesters in southeast Pennsylvania all those years, in hell.

What a miserable, execrable fuck...

223 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:25:05pm

re: #222 Ben G. Hazi

If you think the first part of that "article" is bad, get a load of this rancid shit:

What a miserable, execrable fuck...

Yeah this guy's a pathetic loser. He's going to be living a lonely and miserable existence if he keeps his word which I doubt he will since people are people ultimately but sheesh.

224 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:25:41pm

re: #218 JamesWI

If you go to that guy's original post (if it's still up), the comments from him are even better.

Basically, in his mind, anyone who isn't libertarian is basically Hitler.

Excerpts from some of his comments:

We seem to not accept the fact that America has become one huge giant welfare state. People have become lazy. They want their Obamaphone. They want their food stamps.

We've got two ways to deal with it, as Republicans. We either accept that notion, and start becomming "socialist lite." Not my preferred course. Or, we start educating Blacks and Hispanics that living off the government does not lead to happiness. That there are real live benefits to self-reliance and hard work.

Yep, these guys are definitely gonna win over the hearts and minds of minority voters...by telling them they're all lazy parasites who don't know anything about hard work.

Yes, Jim. Yes, Jim.

Seccession of leave. I say we've got two to three years left before they start rounding up dissenters and sending us off to Nazi-style concentration camps. I've got a little more time, cause I live in Texas.

Arizona is a good place to be for now. But New York, Iowa, Michigan, Massachusetts, PA beware. You're vastly on the road to complete authoritarianism and statism. Grab your guns, protect what few things you have left. You're living in Nazi Germany circa 1933-34.

So, we've got the "liberals are gonna throw you in concentration camps" off the checklist.....how about some ridiculously inflated ego?

Funny, they called Patrick Henry and Sam Adama "mentally unstable," as well.

Bingo!

Jim, you're being far too polite to John Denver (ed. "John Denver" being the name of a commenter who was calling him out on being fucking insane). He's no different from Hitler. He's got Nazi tatooed on the top of his forehead. The guy loves government. Why should we use nice words like "socialist," for that. He's a Nazi.

225 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:26:37pm

re: #223 HappyBenghazi

Yeah this guy's a pathetic loser. He's going to be living a lonely and miserable existence if he keeps his word which I doubt he will since people are people ultimately but sheesh.

Apparently, Eric Dondero has been batshit insane for a long, long time...he's just a loathsome POS.

226 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:27:08pm

re: #222 Ben G. Hazi

If you think the first part of that "article" is bad, get a load of this rancid shit:

What a miserable, execrable fuck...

This is shit I might expect from a seven year old, and even then only if they had some pretty crappy parents.

"Say Obama sucks, durr hurr!!"

227 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:28:58pm

re: #226 Four More Tears

This is shit I might expect from a seven year old, and even then only if they had some pretty crappy parents.

"Say Obama sucks, durr hurr!!"

Loved this reply on the comments section:

Jesse_James
Sounds like he just needs a good deep dicking and a chill pill.
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LMAO

228 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:30:35pm

re: #224 JamesWI

Excerpts from some of his comments:

Yep, these guys are definitely gonna win over the hearts and minds of minority voters...by telling them they're all lazy parasites who don't know anything about hard work.

So, we've got the "liberals are gonna throw you in concentration camps" off the checklist.....how about some ridiculously inflated ego?

Bingo!

"You're living in Nazi Germany 1933-1934?" You know if Obama was going to be a dictator. He would have done it already. By this time in Hitler's time as Germany's dictator, the Night of Long Knives had already happened, Dachau had oppened, and the annexation of Czechoslovakia and Austria were just around the corner but please wingnuts keep on telling us how only you work hard and the rest of us are lazy and how our democratically elected president resembles one of the most evil sobs in history. Fucking babies.

229 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:30:50pm

apparently extended butthurt sessions and wailing and gnashing of teeth for hours at a time will be the new fox version of "news reporting"

230 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:32:08pm

re: #227 Ben G. Hazi
And this one:

RealityCzech
Can you name the man with singular drive
Disowned Dem friends to keep liberty alive
Eric Dondero! Eric Dondero!

Well, he or his dog pooed on your land
He's mustachioed schmuck endorsed by Ayn Rand
Eric Dondero! Eric Dondero!

/apologies to the Canyonero
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231 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:33:38pm

There's a line that even freepers won't cross...
I'm amazed.

232 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:40:03pm

Eric Dondero: When you're so freaky that Ron Paul (your boss) fires you, something is seriously wrong with you.

233 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:41:55pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Ugh. So the first trailer for World War Z comes out and...well...ugh. Hollywood churns out another generic zombie movie:

[Embedded content]

Excuse me, but WWZ was specifically about slow moving creepers, WTF did I just see there?

234 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:43:15pm

hey guys

the fiscal cliff smashup will be here soon enuf

not to mention yet another attempt to wring political advantage out of benghazi...

235 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:55:14pm

re: #233 Kragar

Excuse me, but WWZ was specifically about slow moving creepers, WTF did I just see there?

I read the book and enjoyed it greatly. Not so much for the zombies but for the way it describes how we deal with crises: first we ignore then, then we deny them, then we try to suppress them, all of which cause the crisis to be much more worse when it hits.

And yes, in order to defeat the zombie hordes, we have to abandon free market capitalism and learn to pool resources and work collectively.

So the message is clear: Embrace socialism or zombies will eat your brains!

236 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:56:47pm

re: #235 AK-47%

I read the book and enjoyed it greatly. Not so much for the zombies but for the way it describes how we deal with crises: first we ignore then, then we deny them, then we try to suppress them, all of which cause the crisis to be much more worse when it hits.

And yes, in order to defeat the zombie hordes, we have to abandon free market capitalism and learn to pool resources and work collectively.

So the message is clear: Embrace socialism or zombies will eat your brains!

Half the fun was the slow build up before they reached a tipping point.

237 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:57:44pm

re: #236 Kragar

Half the fun was the slow build up before they reached a tipping point.

exactly, and how our typical approach to any crisis made the tipping point more inevitable

238 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:01:34pm

re: #237 AK-47%

exactly, and how our typical approach to any crisis made the tipping point more inevitable

I liked the black market transplant doctor part.

239 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:03:05pm

The Russian solution to ID infected was also messed up, but cool.

240 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:04:00pm

re: #238 Kragar

I liked the black market transplant doctor part.

That, and how the authorities, by first ignoring and then denying the problem, allowed it to spread to the point that it could no longer be contained.

241 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:05:15pm

re: #240 AK-47%

That, and how the authorities, by first ignoring and then denying the problem, allowed it to spread to the point that it could no longer be contained.

Welcome to Cuba, last bastion of Capitalism!

242 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:08:04pm

re: #239 Kragar

The Russian solution to ID infected was also messed up, but cool.

I seem to recall that there was some doctrinal problem with the Orthodox Church.

243 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:12:20pm

re: #242 AK-47%

I seem to recall that there was some doctrinal problem with the Orthodox Church.

That came later, where the Last Rites were delivered to suspected infected, then the priest would shoot them.

Earlier, there was a mob trying to cross a bridge, so the Russians released nerve gas on the crowd, then would machine gun anyone who got back up.

244 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:18:51pm

Read the book last year, have forgotten lots of it already.

But I enjoyed it a lot, and that for someone who is not a big zombie fan. Liked "Shawn of the Dead" just because it was so well written and acted.

245 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:24:28pm

Is someone waging a global war on the genus Fraxinus?

Deadly ash tree disease spreads across the UK

New cases of ash dieback have been confirmed in six more counties across the UK, as experts warn there is little they can do to stop the spread of the disease threatening to devastate the UK's ash trees.

[...]

The disease is caused by a fungus called Chalara fraxinea, which grows in the dead stalk of the leaf during the summer. Researchers do not know where the disease originated from, and there are currently no effective strategies for managing the disease.

[...]

and:

Should ash trees be treated or removed?

A nice, big tree can be the glory of a home. It gives shade, softens edges, creates a magic green world beneath its canopy. We want it to live forever.

But what if it's an ash? All around the Chicago area, thousands of ash trees are being killed by a horde of emerald ash borers, invasive insects that burrow under their bark. Experts agree that unless they are treated with insecticides to kill the borer larvae, most ash trees in the region will die.

[...]

Fungi and insects - are these two of the pestilences of the Apocalypse?

246 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:29:19pm

Sesame Street has a parting message for Mitt...

To Mr. Romney...

247 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:36:28pm

Republicans believe they have a mandate because they still control the House.

248 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:37:51pm

re: #245 freetoken

Is someone waging a global war on the genus Fraxinus?

Deadly ash tree disease spreads across the UK

and:

Should ash trees be treated or removed?

Fungi and insects - are these two of the pestilences of the Apocalypse?

Chestnuts in America nearly extinct...
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Spruce trees throughout Canada, Alaska, and the N.W. being wiped out...
[Link: www.na.fs.fed.us...]

Lots of bad stuff going on out there, will be more as the climate continues to shift and organisms find favorable conditions where they used to find things inhospitable.

249 Sinistershade  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:38:02pm

I cannot believe that Romney's advisors were unaware of such a basic tenet of campaigning: You don't tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing.

250 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:42:09pm

re: #248 ghazidor

Lots of bad stuff going on out there, will be more as the climate continues to shift and organisms find favorable conditions where they used to find things inhospitable.

And we have hikers and tourists tracking strange fungi on the soles of their shoes across continents. Nearly all the rare amphibians in Arizona and Australia have been wiped out by such diseases.

251 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:47:35pm

Good lord, reading that piece over at Ace of Spades about the complete fail that was "Project ORCA," don't know whether I should laugh at the Romney campaign's buffoonery, or cry over the fact that 48% of this country actually voted for such incompetence.

Could you imagine that "leadership" in charge of a war? Or disaster relief?

252 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:59:06pm

re: #250 AK-47%

And we have hikers and tourists tracking strange fungi on the soles of their shoes across continents. Nearly all the rare amphibians in Arizona and Australia have been wiped out by such diseases.

Bats aren't doing too well either.

253 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:13:51am

re: #252 Kragar

Bats aren't doing too well either.

Bats are messengers of the Devil from the lower depths...

/

254 researchok  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:42:22am

Morning, all

255 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:46:09am

Love the look on the face of Paul Ryan's daughter. That's a girl who knows she's getting her normal life back.

256 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:59:42am

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

Love the look on the face of Paul Ryan's daughter. That's a girl who knows she's getting her normal life back.

"And they still don't know who took the 47% video, hahahaha!"

257 freetoken  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:00:55am

The following has been overplayed, and I think I posted it a year or two ago, but for some reason I think it fits in today:

258 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:07:45am

re: #222 Ben G. Hazi

You require a risky and complicated brain surgery, one that is performed by only two neurosurgeons in the country. One is a Republican and the other is a Democrat, but the Republican is generally unknown, and the Democrat was just heralded by Time Magazine as the nation's best neurosurgeon. Everything else — the cost, location, etc. — is the same. Which doctor do you choose?
Simple: Avoid them both. Go to Mexico for your medical treatment. Avoid all the red tape and bureaucracy.

Sounds like a plan to me. I mean, it worked for Steve McQueen, right?

259 researchok  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:11:29am

re: #257 freetoken

Izzy guy from Hawaii, right?

Listening now, great stuff.

260 freetoken  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:12:47am

re: #259 researchok

Yes, it's Kamakawiwo'ole.

261 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:13:42am

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

Love the look on the face of Paul Ryan's daughter. That's a girl who knows she's getting her normal life back.

"Oh thank Christ, I'll never have to make small talk about dancing horses or the inferior quality of the help nowadays again for the rest of my life!"

262 freetoken  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:13:45am

2012 is passing quickly.

Fortunately, I have the reorganization of my Christmas music links almost completed...

263 researchok  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:15:46am

re: #260 freetoken

Good choice and yes,it is apropos

264 researchok  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:16:18am

re: #262 freetoken

OK, now you're scaring me.
//

265 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:34:58am

who else saves the threads from the middle-of-the-night doldrums like freetoken and his musical interludes?

266 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:38:47am

re: #265 AK-47%

who else saves the threads from the middle-of-the-night doldrums like freetoken and his musical interludes?

Now is the time on LGF when we dance.

267 freetoken  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:39:35am

re: #265 AK-47%

But ... I'm about to incur the wrath of many...

Here is the one and only Mahalia Jackson:

268 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:42:39am

re: #266 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Now is the time on LGF when we dance.

First you must touch my monkey.

269 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:49:43am

re: #268 AK-47%

I'd rather spank it....

270 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:54:09am

This song goes out to Karl Rove and American Crossroads:

271 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:58:06am

re: #269 Dancing along the light of day

I'd rather spank it....

272 freetoken  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:00:33am

re: #270 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Rove isn't worthy of Bessie Smith.


He's not worthy of Dusty either, but this song sort of applies to him and the GOP and the electorate:

273 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:14:12am

re: #271 Kragar

Porn can be made illegal. 1st Amendment protects freedom of "speech." Having sex in front of a camera is not speech.

It is if you are talking dirty.

274 freetoken  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:37:48am

re: #273 AK-47%

It is if you are talking dirty.

275 freetoken  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:45:41am

Bryan Fischer would not approve:

276 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:47:46am

re: #213 makeitstopghazi

From a buddy's FB posting this morning:

""That community is already in the process of dissolution where each man begins to eye his neighbor as a possible enemy, where nonconformity with the accepted creed, political as well as religious, is a mark of disaffection; where denunciation, without specification or backing, takes the place of evidence; where orthodoxy chokes freedom of dissent; where faith in the eventual supremacy of reason has become so timid that we dare not enter our convictions in the open lists, to win or lose."
-Judge Learned Hand

277 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:55:49am
278 freetoken  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 3:02:43am

That was such a weird movie, either it was 40 years ahead of its time, or 40 years behind.

Or maybe it was right on time but from a parallel universe.

279 Honorary Consul General  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 3:10:16am

Morning Honcos. Nice to be on a regular schedule again.

280 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 3:14:09am
281 Honorary Consul General  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 3:14:52am

This is what I have seen going around on FB:
After Obama win, U.S. backs new U.N. arms treaty talks
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

But why bother reading? You might just find this...
"We will not accept any treaty that infringes on the constitutional rights of our citizens to bear arms," he said.

282 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 4:10:54am

Wingnut in a nutshell...

The scribbler:
God bless the people who are suffering still due to Sandy.

Gunny G:
Fuck em, they went for Obama.

283 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 4:14:52am

So, who replaces Hillary? I've cobbled together a list containing all the options I've heard discussed.

1. John Kerry
2. Thomas Donilon
3. Samantha Power
4. Susan Rice
5. John Huntsman

Kerry is probably the safest, most obviously qualified and deserving choice, but it would remove him from the Senate. Here's hoping Deval Patrick can name an interim replacement that will win next November, possibly against Scott Brown.

Donilon has no real downside except then he would need to be replaced as national security advisor.

Sam Power and Susan Rice are both powerful women who could replace Hillary or Donilon. Republicans will bitch about either of them over past statements, Power on Israel and Rice regarding the Benghazi attack. Not sure there's any need to cater to the Republicans on appointments though, if they want to go into non stop filibuster mode again so early it could backfire.

Huntsman is a wild card. He's hugely qualified to be SOS and moderates love him, but he's probably going to run again in 2016. He's already taken one appointment from Obama, ambassador to China, only to turn around and stab the President in the back during the Republican primaries. There's little sense in rewarding that kind of behavior.

Am I missing anybody?

284 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 4:31:18am

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

Colin Powell, Wesley Clark, Leon Panetta, Chuck Hagel, and Condoleeza Rice if he wants to fuck with the GOP.

285 Flounder  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:01:01am

'Colbert,' lap dances and art

[Link: www.timesunion.com...]

286 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:01:18am

File under, not surprised:

An Isanti County pastor who participated in a ministry devoted to helping people put their homosexuality behind them has been charged with sexually assaulting two men he was counseling.

Lakeside Christian Church's senior pastor, the Rev. Ryan J. Muehlhauser, 55, of Cambridge, appeared in court Tuesday on eight felony counts of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct and remains free pending another hearing next month.

...

One of the men told investigators that Muehlhauser "blessed" him by cupping his genitals outside of his clothing several times and that Muehlhauser asked the man to masturbate in front of him for "spiritual strength." Muehlhauser would also fondle the man at times. Their encounters occurred over a period of nearly two years.

287 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:08:28am

re: #286 goddamnedfrank

File under, not surprised:

There is nothing sadder than a conflicted, self-loathing homosexual.

288 Flounder  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:09:40am

A little morning cuteness [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

289 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:12:09am

re: #5 ProGunLiberal

I think the PPD are, for lack of a better term, a bunch of douchecanoes.

Hey what's wrong with the PPD it's just an old submachinegun. It was a good and reliable design.

/Yes, I know.

290 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:13:15am

re: #287 AK-47%

There is nothing sadder than a conflicted, self-loathing homosexual.

Except for them to be exploited, abused and made to feel ashamed for who they are by fucked up, creepy religious fanatics.

291 Flounder  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:14:03am

Breast feeding baby doll, I'm at a loss for words.
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]

292 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:14:32am

re: #278 freetoken

I've read that accent Mae West put on is actually what the old Brooklynese used to sound like.

293 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:15:01am

re: #291 Flounder

{sigh}

294 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:15:25am

re: #288 Flounder

A little morning cuteness [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

Cute little things, awful they were mistreated like that. You'd need a large apartment or better a house in order to take proper care of them. Pit Bulls are good sized dogs, and they need to be active to develop properly.

295 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:16:16am

'Morning, all. Off to the monthly Southern Alabama Old Farts Club.

Discussion might be a little 'awkward' today.

296 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:17:12am

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

Except for them to be exploited, abused and made to feel ashamed for who they are by fucked up, creepy religious fanatics.

It's often one of those self-repeating cycles, like child abuse or alcoholism. I don't know which is sadder, as the perpetrator is often the victim.

297 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:17:49am

re: #295 Decatur Deb

'Morning, all. Off to the monthly Southern Alabama Old Farts Club.

Discussion might be a little 'awkward' today.

Talk about the Battle of Sharpsburg.

298 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:18:33am

re: #282 ghazidor

Wingnut in a nutshell...

That's a pretty good way to alienate the, uh, 40% or so that went Republican.

299 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:19:15am

re: #297 AK-47%

Talk about the Battle of Sharpsburg.

Gonna talk about the Battle for Gadsden County FL. Let no wound go unsalted.

300 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:21:48am

YOUR MORNING DERP


The news story does not say what religion that "praying passenger" was, he could have been an Orthodox Jew. Also, the plane was not "diverted," it landed where it was supposed to land.


Sheldon Adelson spent a shit-ton more money than Soros on this election.


When in doubt, just repeat "Benghazi!"

More derp here.

301 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:23:02am

re: #300 Vicious Babushka

One of the funniest delusions of the nutjobs is that Soros-- who basically dedicated his life to fighting communism in Eastern Europe-- is a commie.

302 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:23:12am

Since Rove's predictions turned out so wrong, I think he should grow David Axelrod's mustache.

303 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:23:27am

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Gonna talk about the Battle for Gadsden County FL. Let no wound go unsalted.

Ousterlee, perhaps? 1864, saw 10,000 Rebels surprise 10,000 Union troops who'd pushed too far with out scouting and preparation. The South won that battle, so it might be good to bring up if things get too hostile.

/When in Rome...

304 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:24:46am

re: #284 Obdicut

Colin Powell, Wesley Clark, Leon Panetta, Chuck Hagel, and Condoleeza Rice if he wants to fuck with the GOP.

I'd love to see Powell at State, Clark at Defense & Rice at the UN.

305 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:26:30am

re: #300 Vicious Babushka

YOUR MORNING DERP

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When in doubt, just repeat "Benghazi!"

More derp here.

Fox won't say the man's religion because reports likely conflict and they don't want to look stupid by getting the story's critical facts wrong. But of course for Bryan Fischer its all one big "Pro-Sharia Conspiracy".

I await Pam Geller's screed on this one with weary certainty of its hate.

306 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:26:57am

re: #300 Vicious Babushka

Sheldon Adelson spent a shit-ton more money than Soros on this election.

I want to play poker with that guy. He's got the worst luck imaginable.

307 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:28:14am

re: #295 Decatur Deb

'Morning, all. Off to the monthly Southern Alabama Old Farts Club.

Discussion might be a little 'awkward' today.

Give a nice speech on the parallels between the GOP performance on Tuesday and the performance of Pickett's Division at Gettysburg?

308 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:31:13am

Wingnuts on FB still flogging the election results map by county to either question the validity of the electoral process or to suggest that most of America -- population density be damned -- agrees with them.

It's going to be a long four years, I think.

309 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:33:13am

re: #307 William Barnett-Lewis

Give a nice speech on the parallels between the GOP performance on Tuesday and the performance of Pickett's Division at Gettysburg?

Not a fair comparison. Pickett's men, right up through his brigade commanders, did their very utmost to take the Union position they were ordered to seize. They failed not because they did wrong, but because no men could have succeed, not unless Gen. Hancock and II Corps screwed up badly (which did not happen).

The Republican Party had ways it could have won, but it did not work properly to make use of them.

310 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:34:56am

re: #308 Lidane

Wingnuts on FB still flogging the election results map by county to either question the validity of the electoral process or to suggest that most of America -- population density be damned -- agrees with them.

It's going to be a long four years, I think.

Romney got the most votes in areas with the fewest people.
Wait, what?

311 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:35:12am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Not a fair comparison. Pickett's men, right up through his brigade commanders, did their very utmost to take the Union position they were ordered to seize. They failed not because they did wrong, but because no men could have succeed, not unless Gen. Hancock and II Corps screwed up badly (which did not happen).

The Republican Party had ways it could have won, but it did not work properly to make use of them.

And General Longstreet knew in advance that they could not win.

312 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:36:30am

re: #300 Vicious Babushka

The news story does not say what religion that "praying passenger" was, he could have been an Orthodox Jew. Also, the plane was not "diverted," it landed where it was supposed to land.

I think Fischer jumped the gun and as usual jumped wrong...

Police and EMS escorted the disorderly man off the plane. He was handcuffed and placed in the back of a police cruiser. Tweets on this topic speculated that the man experienced some kind of "emotional or mental problem."

United spokeswoman Megan McCarthy told the Associated Press the crew declared an emergency because a passenger wasn't following flight attendant instructions for landing.

313 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:37:35am

re: #311 AK-47%

And General Longstreet knew in advance that they could not win.

Wonder if Nate Silver is the reincarnation of Longstreet? /// well, it would be ironic...

The failure was a result of arrogance on the part of the highest leadership - both at Gettysburg and in the recent campaign.

314 Flounder  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:37:41am

re: #307 William Barnett-Lewis

I urge everyone to make a trip to Gettysburg in their lifetime.

315 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:40:04am

re: #313 William Barnett-Lewis

Wonder if Nate Silver is the reincarnation of Longstreet? /// well, it would be ironic...

The failure was a result of arrogance on the part of the highest leadership - both at Gettysburg and in the recent campaign.

'Polling Expert' is an advisory rather than a command position. Nate Silver has shown he can run the numbers right. He has not yet tried to lead a campaign.

316 Charleston Chew  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:40:32am

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

Love the look on the face of Paul Ryan's daughter. That's a girl who knows she's getting her normal life back.

To me it looks more like, "I shall avenge you, father. I shall bide my time, patiently plotting until I defeat Senator Sasha Obama in the Presidential Election of 2048!"

317 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:41:27am

re: #315 Dark_Falcon

'Polling Expert' is an advisory rather than a command position. Nate Silver has shown he can run the numbers right. He has not yet tried to lead a campaign.

He's not going to, either. Nate's a stats guy, not a political operative. He's clearly more comfortable parsing the data than he would be as a campaign manager or anything.

318 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:41:55am


4. Crops in Georgia, Alabama will rot in the fields.

319 Charleston Chew  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:43:44am

re: #318 Vicious Babushka

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4. Crops in Georgia, Alabama will rot in the fields.

5. All restaurants will close because there's no one to make the food and no groceries to make it with.

320 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:46:13am

Fischer is no fool, he knows his GOP buddies very well...

321 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:46:19am

re: #318 Vicious Babushka

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4. Crops in Georgia, Alabama will rot in the fields.

You forget that while doing so, Fischer would also introduce "mandatory service owned for welfare benefits". He'd replace the illegals with African-Americans forced to work for free then say "all is put right again."

/I'm somewhat kidding, but I wouldn't put it past Fischer to try that.

322 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:46:31am

re: #318 Vicious Babushka

Imbeciles like Fischer would be in for a rude awakening if that happened.

Also, all of these nitwits focus on illegal immigration when our LEGAL immigration process is a complete clusterfuck. Maybe we should reform that first so we have a baseline for going after illegal immigrants in a coherent fashion?

323 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:46:47am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

The Republican Party had ways it could have won, but it did not work properly to make use of them.

How exactly? Even if Romney's GOTV effort hadn't turned into a cluster fuck it's hard to see him pulling down another 3 million plus votes. Maybe he should have lied even more, or released his tax returns, or flip flopped on marriage equality (which won in every state it was on the ballot.)

The black vote as a percentage of the total was the same as in 2008, Hispanics up 3 percent to 10 voted for Obama 71 to 27 and Asians voted for the President 75 to 25. Face it, times are changing and the national future for your party is bleak.

324 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:47:32am

re: #320 ghazidor

I still find their siege mentality amazing. They truly believe this country is under attack or that we're going to fall apart because an election didn't go their way. WTF.

325 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:48:06am

re: #318 Vicious Babushka

1. Secure border. 2. No welfare, jobs for illegals (E-Verify). 3. Illegals will self-repatriate.

Sounds simple, but we need to think this one through: if we had a national ID card and a secure border, then it would be a lot harder for illegals to become established here.

Here in Germany, you cannot register a car, get a driver's license, open a bank account, enroll your kid in school (or sign an employment contract) without a valid local ID.

I cannot imagine anyone in favor of a national ID card system (even though it would make voter fraud all but impossible as well), nor can I imagine anybody wanting to shell out the investment and ongoing costs of securing and maintaining the border.

326 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:52:31am

re: #325 AK-47%

Could require everyone to have a passport. It would then be a defacto national ID but by being named something else might sneak past the idiots.

327 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:52:50am

re: #323 goddamnedfrank

Mitt Romney should have taken more lumps in the late spring by giving interviews and clearly outlining his positions, even at the cost of openly flip-flopping. Yes, he would have gotten slugged doing that, but Romney's refusal to take risks was a big part of what he did wrong, IMO.

He should have spent less on ad blitzes, which proved ineffectual, and more on ground-game getting out the vote. Allied to that was a need to spend more time on the campaign trail.

Jennifer Rubin has a good piece in the WaPo on this.

328 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:53:49am

re: #325 AK-47%

Sounds simple, but we need to think this one through: if we had a national ID card and a secure border, then it would be a lot harder for illegals to become established here.

Here in Germany, you cannot register a car, get a driver's license, open a bank account, enroll your kid in school (or sign an employment contract) without a valid local ID.

I cannot imagine anyone in favor of a national ID card system (even though it would make voter fraud all but impossible as well), nor can I imagine anybody wanting to shell out the investment and ongoing costs of securing and maintaining the border.

Why do you think people would not favor a national ID card?

329 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:55:16am

re: #313 William Barnett-Lewis

Longstreet was a pretty interesting guy. After the civil war he became a Republican and the customs surveyor of Louisiana. The wingnuts confederates never forgave him for that.

330 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:56:34am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

Mitt Romney should have taken more lumps in the late spring by giving interviews and clearly outlining his positions, even at the cost of openly flip-flopping. Yes, he would have gotten slugged doing that, but Romney's refusal to take risks was a big part of what he did wrong, IMO.

He should have spent less on ad blitzes, which proved ineffectual, and more on ground-game getting out the vote. Allied to that was a need to spend more time on the campaign trail.

Jennifer Rubin has a good piece in the WaPo on this.

Romney shoulda, coulda, woulda.

1. Shoulda released his tax returns
2. Coulda provided a detailed plan on how to reduce the deficit
3. Woulda still lost, but maybe not by so much

331 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:56:45am

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

666 is why, DF, at it's core. Combine that with the "gub'm'nt comin' fer our gunz!!!" fantasy.

332 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:56:58am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

Jennifer Rubin has a good piece in the WaPo on this.

No she doesn't. Rubin has zero credibility. She spent the entire election season openly shilling for Romney, and now she wants to try and tell people how to fix the GOP?

Fuck that. She's part of the problem. She and the rest of the conservative media bubble.

333 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:57:54am

re: #327 Dark_Falcon

Mitt Romney should have taken more lumps in the late spring by giving interviews and clearly outlining his positions, even at the cost of openly flip-flopping. Yes, he would have gotten slugged doing that, but Romney's refusal to take risks was a big part of what he did wrong, IMO.

He should have spent less on ad blitzes, which proved ineffectual, and more on ground-game getting out the vote. Allied to that was a need to spend more time on the campaign trail.

Jennifer Rubin has a good piece in the WaPo on this.

Last weekend you were saying that Romney's refusal to talk to the press, give interviews and take risks was the smart play. What makes you think that in flip flopping immediately after the primaries Romney wouldn't have cemented a reputation as laughingstock and completely alienated the social cons?

We're in agreement on his abysmal ground game but that's just a symptom. The disease was hubris.

334 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:58:07am

Jennifer Rubin! Jesus Christmas.

335 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:58:13am

re: #331 William Barnett-Lewis

666 is why, DF, at it's core. Combine that with the "gub'm'nt comin' fer our gunz!!!" fantasy.

A card in one's wallet is not the Mark of the Beast. And an ID card does not mean gun registration, either.

336 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 5:58:17am

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Why do you think people would not favor a nationa ID card?

RFID! Black helicopters! FEMA camps!

And so forth. Just do a Google search on Real ID and a National ID Card. The conspiracies are many and varied.

337 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:00:24am
338 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:00:27am

re: #333 goddamnedfrank

Last weekend you were saying that Romney's refusal to talk to the press, give interviews and take risks was the smart play. What makes you think that in flip flopping immediately after the primaries that Romney wouldn't have cemented a reputation as laughingstock and completely alienated the social cons?

We're in agreement on his abysmal ground game but that's just a symptom. The disease was hubris.

His refusal was the smart play by that time. Moreover, I made that statement while replying on polling numbers that were quite wrong in retrospect. Had I understood the actual situation, my advice would have been different.

339 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:00:48am

I hope the Freepers get their wish next time around, a perfect candidate like Santorum to put their theories to the test.

340 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:01:07am

The Republicans will never go for a national ID card. The longer they can play both sides of the Voter ID issue, the better for them (or so they think).

341 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:01:41am

re: #340 dragonath

The Republicans will never go for a national ID card. The longer they can play both sides of the Voter ID issue, the better for them (or so they think).

Explain.

343 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:03:32am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

His refusal was the smart play by that time. Moreover, I made that statement while replying on polling numbers that were quite wrong in retrospect. Had I understood the actual situation, my advice would have been different.

You mean you were cherry picking the polling numbers. Even RCP got the average on the right side of the scale in the days before the election.

344 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:04:19am

I almost forgot this article. It's an interesting add on to the video at the top of the thread:

Blackout Bottlenecks

November 8, 2012: The recent four day blackout in lower Manhattan (New York City) brought to light a little known Internet bottleneck. The eleven fiber optic cables from Europe to the United States all pass through two facilities in the blackout area. One facility is at 16th Street and 8th Avenue and the other is three kilometers (two miles) to the south on Hudson Street. These places also contain servers for many major Internet sites. Both facilities had backup generators and fuel supplies to keep them going until the power was turned back on. If both facilities were knocked off line, most Internet users in the United States would notice momentary difficultly in reaching web sites in Europe and, until those two sites were back in operation, everyone would find that it took longer (seconds or more) to reach web sites outside the United States.

345 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:04:28am

re: #325 AK-47%

That is why the Feds are trying to get all the states to do the verified ID program. Sure it is a hassle to dig up documents and prove who you say you are when you next renew your license but after that your license is recognized by the Feds. I can go to Canada or Mexico and back with just my license, no need for a passport.

I would support efforts to get all state residents verified state IDs if the government were willing to do it on a sliding fee scale so that it was no or low cost to the people who normally could not spare the money.

346 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:05:16am

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

Explain.

If Republicans were really serious about making voting accessible to everybody, they wouldn't be taking such a piecemeal approach to Voter ID. It really is one of those things where you can't say you're for ID and against it, too.

347 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:06:03am

re: #342 Vicious Babushka

WTF.
1 Dead in Shooting at Swedish PM's residence...

Hope it's not another Brevick-style asshole. At least this guy was ineffective.

348 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:06:40am

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Why do you think people would not favor a nationa ID card?

Because every time it has ever come up the evangelicals go apeshit about it being the "mark of the beast" and similar such nonsense. It should be a state program anyway as I just said above, people are leery of giving the Fed power to track and control your access to everything like that.

349 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:09:18am

re: #346 dragonath

If Republicans were really serious about making voting accessible to everybody, they wouldn't be taking such a piecemeal approach to Voter ID. It really is one of those things where you can't say you're for ID and against it, too.

Exactly. Republicans are, at their core, anti egalitarian. The absolute last thing they want is for everyone to freely exercise their right to vote. Paul Weyrich spelled it out in 1980:

350 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:11:45am

How many #PSEG #ConED and #LIPA crews does it take to turn on the lights?

A: No one knows, because it's been 11 days and more than 1.2 million people still have no power in the NYC metro.

That compares with the #MTA, whose ability to restore service to the subway system borders on magic. Fact is that this particular public authority and its union workers got the job done, while other public authorities like NJTransit and the Port Authority did not. Those failures are epic, especially in light of how quickly the MTA restored its service.

351 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:13:04am

Oh, and anyone who was here in the NYC metro area during the great Northeast blackout, or after 9/11 would have seen similar sights. But I do say that the video and stop motion animation was quite beautiful to behold.

352 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:13:11am

re: #349 goddamnedfrank

Weyrich's comment was the kind of straight talk you could get from the GOP in an age before Youtube. Now we get comments about the 47% but only when they don't think anybody's recording them.

353 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:14:37am

re: #350 lawhawk

How many #PSEG #ConED and #LIPA crews does it take to turn on the lights?

A: No one knows, because it's been 11 days and more than 1.2 million people still have no power in the NYC metro.

That compares with the #MTA, whose ability to restore service to the subway system borders on magic. Fact is that this particular public authority and its union workers got the job done, while other public authorities like NJTransit and the Port Authority did not. Those failures are epic, especially in light of how quickly the MTA restored its service.

Not magic, just better preparation, better leadership, and much better execution of plans. The MTA has been thinking about and planning for disaster recovery since 9/11. Now they are putting those long-laid plans into effect.

354 darthstar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:17:17am

Mornin' gang

355 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:21:09am

Romney concedes Florida.

356 darthstar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:21:40am

re: #350 lawhawk

That compares with the #MTA, whose ability to restore service to the subway system borders on magic.

So those caricatures in the movies of a greasy old guy in overalls waving a wrench in his hand saying, "They're not fucking up MY tunnel!" are actually accurate portrayals. "You think we're going to let a little sea water mess up our 100+ year old wiring? And look, here's my tuna sandwich I left down here before the storm...mmm...still good!"

357 prairiefire  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:21:50am

re: #355 prairiefire

[Link: www.inquisitr.com...]

358 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:22:04am

Here's why nothing Romney could have done would have made a difference:

The worry for Republicans is that Mr. Obama won Colorado by nearly five percentage points (4.7 points was his margin there, to the decimal place). In contrast, Mr. Obama’s margin in the national popular vote, as of this writing, is 2.4 percentage points. We estimate that it will grow to 2.5 percentage points once some remaining returns from states like Washington are accounted for, or perhaps slightly higher once provisional ballots in other states are counted. But it seems clear that Mr. Obama had some margin to spare in the Electoral College.

Had the popular vote been a tie – assuming that the margin in each state shifted uniformly – he would still have won re-election with 285 electoral votes, carrying Colorado and Virginia, although losing Florida and Ohio.

In fact, had Mr. Romney won the popular vote by two percentage points, Mr. Obama would still have won the Electoral College, losing Virginia but holding onto Colorado.

So take that and then factor in that by 2020 if not earlier Texas will become a swing state, due to the expanding hispanic population. If the GOP doesn't abandon its mission to be the party of white angst its future on the national stage is finished.

359 darthstar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:22:41am

re: #355 prairiefire

Romney concedes Florida.

Everyone always knew he'd be a great conceder some day.

360 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:25:40am

re: #358 goddamnedfrank

If the GOP doesn't abandon it's mission to be the party of white angst it's future on the national stage is finished.

THIS x infinity.

It's not just about how the GOP message is packaged and sold to voters anymore. The message itself is flawed and untenable now. The Republican party can't just confine itself to whites and evangelical Christians anymore. They have to truly accept other faiths and other races into the fold, and they have to embrace ideas that their white evangelical base doesn't like if they are to have any hope of survival.

361 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:25:41am

re: #356 darthstar

What's pretty wild is that the MTA has 100 year old switches and equipment, plus a storage facility in Queens where they have replacement parts for that equipment.

That's going to lead to issues down the line since the storm will have depleted their equipment should other problems crop up in the next few months - stuff breaks down on a regular basis, plus routine maintenance. If you've had to go through your stockpile of 100 year old designed switches to get service up and running now, what happens when a switch in another part of the city fails. It's one of the many logistical headaches the MTA will be dealing with, but they've so far shown how a public authority can get the job done. And that goes to the workers as well.

362 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:26:21am

re: #359 darthstar

Everyone always knew he'd be a great conceder some day.

He conceded that the credit card bill came due and cut everyone's cards at the stroke of midnight. The campaign turned back into the great Pumpkin.

363 darthstar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:27:27am

re: #358 goddamnedfrank

Here's why nothing Romney could have done would have made a difference:

There are things he could have done (if he wasn't a Republican in today's Tea Party):
1. Stop calling immigrants 'illegals' who should self deport.
2. Stop implying minorities are only interested in hand outs.
3. Not joke about the President's birth certificate.
4. Not race bait by calling President Obama's ideas 'foreign'.
5. Not dismiss women as birthing vessels and feeding units for suckling infants.

But those, and especially the last one, are what truly make up Mitt Romney the icon today...and that is how he will be remembered...by me at least.

364 Charleston Chew  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:27:46am

The GOP is addicted to the "wingnut vote" because they can win with it in Senate, House, Governor, and local government elections. But they need to add a certain amount of sane voters to that base to win the Presidency.

Democrats still owe Lyndon Johnson a debt of gratitude for making them quit cold turkey the addictive white racist vote in the 60s with the intervention of civil rights legislation. They were sweating, shaking, and puking for about 40 years of withdrawal, but getting sober meant that they can now be the official "not that crazy" party of the US.

The GOP will have to have a Johnson of their own, and I can't imagine who that would be.

365 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:27:49am

re: #362 lawhawk

He conceded that the credit card bill came due and cut everyone's cards at the stroke of midnight. The campaign turned back into the great Pumpkin.

Those 47% freeloaders, thinking they are entitled to rides home...

366 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:28:31am

re: #360 Lidane

They have to truly accept other faiths and other races into the fold, and they have to embrace ideas that their white evangelical base doesn't like if they are to have any hope of survival.

That sounds like CHANGE!

Aieee!

367 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:32:48am

re: #364 Charleston Chew

I think it's pretty telling there were no real moments of courage on the part of Romney. Now that their golden boy isn't governor of Puerto Rico, they've run away from the Puerto Rican statehood referendum too.

368 darthstar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:34:29am

re: #362 lawhawk

He conceded that the credit card bill came due and cut everyone's cards at the stroke of midnight. The campaign turned back into the great Pumpkin.

I don't know that he made that decision himself - I like to think he did, but that's only because I'm still resentful about the four years of lies he's told about our President that he thinks all go away because he gave a three minute concession saying he'd "pray" for the president? Fuck him. Fuck him hard. But yeah, it was probably prearranged by his team that cards would be cut off at the end of the campaign.

And, as a gentle reminder that he wasn't candidate anymore, when he woke up the next morning his Secret Service entourage was gone. I would have paid good money to get someone to stand outside his bedroom window at 8am and fire up a leaf blower. "Good morning Senior Romney! It's good to be back, si?"

369 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:35:57am

I may be harsh on PSEG for being incapable of getting the power restored in a timely fashion, but the out of state crews have been tremendous in trying to get the power back on under difficult circumstances.

I've seen those crews and trucks at the Garden State Plaza and it's a sight to behold with 1,200 vehicles - most of those bucket trucks, prepared and ready to go for their next shift. They're from all over the country, and they're doing their mutual support (and it's a combination of union and non-union shops too). Pretty amazing stuff.

Most of the folks around my town are thankful when the crews showed up, even if it was taking what everyone thinks is too long to do so.

Once this storm damage is repaired, there better be a triage and review period to see how this can be done better. How can PSEG flood the zone to maximize the numbers of crews to fix downed lines. How much more must be spent on tree trimming and putting vulnerable lines underground in areas that aren't flood zones (and vice versa). How much must be spent on protecting substations from flooding (including raising them above flood plain).

And then there's the issue of getting power restored so that mass transit can function - some NJTransit lines were not functioning because of a lack of power to run signals, gates, or the overhead lines. That's got to be addressed as well.

370 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:36:06am

re: #135 HappyBenghazi

Actually this would be GPBI. George W. Bush isn't George W. Bush Jr. It's an interesting thing really giving the same first name but different middle names though from what I see they're honoring grandfathers and great grandfathers.

Bush III: GPB - Texas Boogaloo

371 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:38:54am

Good morning lizards!

372 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:39:04am

re: #368 darthstar

The accounts coming from the Romney campaign don't seem like those we've gotten from other losing campaigns - McCain in 2008 or Kerry in 2004 for instance. There wasn't such a hasty shutdown - and the elections laws and campaign finance laws do allow for an orderly shutdown of accounts and payment of bills even after the elections are over. It's a recognition that bills and payments will continue for some time after the campaigns to deal with transitions for winners and losers alike.

The reports about the Romney campaign do seem out of line with the typical responses and someone was quick on the trigger to cut people off.

373 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:46:27am

For the conservatives who felt blindsided, Nate Silver really isn't all that special or unique. Sam Wang and Drew Linzer also arrived at virtually identical predictions as Nate (they're just not getting as much press coverage as Silver). Which is all the more remarkable because all three used structurally different analytical models to get there.

374 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:47:13am

re: #372 lawhawk

It's a good example of how getting one little detail wrong (or in this case, just not thinking it out) can really fuck things up. Someone probably just filled out some form when setting up the credit cards and put the end date of the campaign without really thinking about the consequences.

Really dumb. Payroll is the one area you always don't want to fuck up. The campaign is probably legally obligated to pay the expenses of the people who's cards it cut off, too.

375 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:48:28am

re: #373 goddamnedfrank

Wang actually did better in some ways than Silver.

376 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:49:09am

Considering how badly immigration reform crashed and burned under Bush, it should be interesting to see how an even more radicalized Republican caucus handles it. This is still a house caucus that passed a bill which in addition to police state tactics, would:

Cause housing of a removed alien to become a felony and sets the minimum prison sentence to three years.

Requires the federal government to take custody of illegal aliens detained by local authorities.

Require up to 700 miles (1120 km) of fence along the US-Mexican border at points with the highest number of illegal border crossings.

Who knows how emboldened they would have been under a Republican president, but I don't think they can stay quiet for long, either. There's just too much nativist ennui.

377 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:49:11am

Both surviving 96-year-old members drank a celebratory drop of prune juice before caregivers wheeled them back to their rooms.

378 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:53:21am

Ah, Megan McArdle's old nom de plume.

379 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:54:26am

re: #378 dragonath

Ah, Megan McArdle's old nom de plume.

@jgalt9 is one of the most insane wingnuts on Twitter.

380 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:59:09am

re: #375 Obdicut

Wang actually did better in some ways than Silver.

In the last few weeks a ton of money was wasted on Intrade in an effort to keep Romney's percentage in the 30's.

What was weird about it was that all the other real money bookies had Romney doing much worse. However because Intrade gets the vast majority of mentions in US media somebody felt that it was important to keep up appearances in that market, and that market only.

381 makeitstop  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 6:59:50am

re: #372 lawhawk

The accounts coming from the Romney campaign don't seem like those we've gotten from other losing campaigns - McCain in 2008 or Kerry in 2004 for instance. There wasn't such a hasty shutdown - and the elections laws and campaign finance laws do allow for an orderly shutdown of accounts and payment of bills even after the elections are over. It's a recognition that bills and payments will continue for some time after the campaigns to deal with transitions for winners and losers alike.

The reports about the Romney campaign do seem out of line with the typical responses and someone was quick on the trigger to cut people off.

They shut that campaign down like a fly-by-night business getting out of town before the bills came due.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear subsequent stories about staffers not being paid in full and vendors getting stiffed. Gotta watch that bottom line, y'know.

382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:01:25am

Sigh. Hit Facebook for my monthly quick read and update of things. Also looked over a few older things and then de-friended five or six fraternity brothers. Each independently has descended into full wingnut mode based on some percentage of stupid libertarian viewpoints, ODS, and all also made some ni-(clang!) reference as well. A few of these did not surprise me since that was hiding just under the surface back in college, so it fully surfacing in a moment of anger and despair was to be expected.

Not that I paid much attention to what they put up generally anyways. FB is not a place to me to look for (or post) political talk.

383 Tigger2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:04:10am

re: #127 freetoken

And so it begins, the John Galts rise up:

Utah company blames President Obama for 102 workers laid off

The lay-offs were caused because the owner is a fucking asshole.

384 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:05:01am

re: #383 Tigger2

The lay-offs were caused because the owner is a fucking asshole.

Also: dirty coal.

385 Tigger2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:08:06am

re: #377 Vicious Babushka

Both surviving 96-year-old members drank a celebratory drop of prune juice before caregivers wheeled them back to their rooms.

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The KKK cried for the Romney loss.

386 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:08:55am

re: #382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

I don't have a ton of stuff on Facebook,I use it to keep up with the kids and grandkids mostly. But I have my wingnut neighbors and sister on my friend list so I catch a fair share of crap they post. Rather than defriend them,I've started just posting the facts that blow their lies up. I just post it on my page,they'll see it in their newsfeed. They then get mysteriously quiet,til the next time,lol. You would think they'd learn. At least research outside of examiner.com,fox news and wingnut blogs before you post something that makes you look like an idiot. I did end up defriending a lady from the dog park I liked. Until she started in with really nasty stuff about poor and minorities. Buh-bye.

387 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:10:33am

re: #386 A Mom Anon

I don't have a ton of stuff on Facebook,I use it to keep up with the kids and grandkids mostly. But I have my wingnut neighbors and sister on my friend list so I catch a fair share of crap they post. Rather than defriend them,I've started just posting the facts that blow their lies up. I just post it on my page,they'll see it in their newsfeed. They then get mysteriously quiet,til the next time,lol. You would think they'd learn. At least research outside of examiner.com,fox news and wingnut blogs before you post something that makes you look like an idiot. I did end up defriending a lady from the dog park I liked. Until she started in with really nasty stuff about poor and minorities. Buh-bye.

You can just hide all their status updates. I have pretty much blocked everyone except for my immediate family.

388 Tigger2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:12:22am

re: #318 Vicious Babushka

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4. Crops in Georgia, Alabama will rot in the fields.

And they wonder why they lose and will continue to lose elections.

389 gwangung  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:14:53am

re: #374 Obdicut

It's a good example of how getting one little detail wrong (or in this case, just not thinking it out) can really fuck things up. Someone probably just filled out some form when setting up the credit cards and put the end date of the campaign without really thinking about the consequences.

Really dumb. Payroll is the one area you always don't want to fuck up. The campaign is probably legally obligated to pay the expenses of the people who's cards it cut off, too.

That might be true. But that just shows how sloppy and inattentive to details the Romney team was. That might fly in the business world, but it sure as hell should have been a killer for being President of the United States.

390 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:15:49am

re: #389 gwangung

That might be true. But that just shows how sloppy and inattentive to details the Romney team was. That might fly in the business world, but it sure as hell should have been a killer for being President of the United States.

It doesn't fly in the business world either, companies that do that kind of shit go belly up.

391 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:16:01am

re: #387 Vicious Babushka

Yeah,I did that with my neighbors,I get sick of the constant whining. OMG,these people make twice the money we do and they act like they're somehow oppressed,mostly because as Catholics they feel they are being made to fund Planned Parenthood and pay for abortions. They're scared of everything,even though they are doing better in the last 5 yrs than they ever were.

392 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:16:04am

re: #382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Most of my friends on Facebook are either Seattle area liberals or younger artsy type people from photography school. Lots of gays in my news feed. Peeps be happy. The only real weirdo I used to have was that racist Breivik supporter from Norway, unfriended him months ago.

393 Kronocide  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:17:31am

re: #383 Tigger2

The lay-offs were caused because the owner is a fucking asshole.

Only the beginning in an onslaught of disingenuous and outright lies to blame Obama for everything. The 'fiscal cliff' is being blamed on Obama yet some agreements made were driven by the Tea Party obstinate House. It was something they've been asking for and wanting. Now it appears they feel in a good position to make a mess of things and hang it on Obama.

Dysfunctional financial brinkmanship.

394 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:18:09am

re: #391 A Mom Anon

Yeah,I did that with my neighbors,I get sick of the constant whining. OMG,these people make twice the money we do and they act like they're somehow oppressed,mostly because as Catholics they feel they are being made to fund Planned Parenthood and pay for abortions. They're scared of everything,even though they are doing better in the last 5 yrs than they ever were.

I am personally pro-life (I have never had an abortion) but never even occurred to me that it would be an infringement of my religious freedom if it was covered under health insurance.

395 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:20:23am

re: #384 Vicious Babushka

Also: dirty coal.

Though I don't think the Marcellus Shale and natural gas prices in the east are driving out coal in Utah. It is probably keying on something else.

396 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:24:34am

re: #394 Vicious Babushka

It's the husband more than the wife,but he is absolutely crazed on the topic. He's just convinced that "his tax dollars"are funding abortions left and right and that it's just wrong that he has to pay so much as a dime for abortion coverage in health insurance. It's against his religion. Boo hoo. My taxes pay for all kinds of shit I don't agree with either,but I like to think my money also goes for education and infrastructure,or school lunches. I like living without that kind of fear,it's nice.

397 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:25:13am

And with that,I gotta run to doggie training. Have a great day lizards.

398 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:26:14am

re: #387 Vicious Babushka

You can just hide all their status updates. I have pretty much blocked everyone except for my immediate family.

I quick scan and ignore a lot of stuff. It's mainly useful for minor item updates regarding family, cousins, friends, and fraternity brothers (in that order) since the standard communication exchanges are infrequent*.

Since someone's Wall or pages are their forum I will generally not comment since I do not feel it's worth the effort to engage on their turf - though for particularly lame links or lies I sometimes post a rebuttal link. There is a line which once crossed I will defriend - they are not worth even cursory communication with at that point.

* - Infrequent for cousins means no recent wedding or funeral at which to see them. So it's Facebook and the occasional email. A lot of friends are in the Pittsburgh area, so it's FB, email now and then, and a weekend get together a few times a year. And so forth.

399 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:27:22am

re: #396 A Mom Anon

It's the husband more than the wife,but he is absolutely crazed on the topic. He's just convinced that "his tax dollars"are funding abortions left and right and that it's just wrong that he has to pay so much as a dime for abortion coverage in health insurance. It's against his religion. Boo hoo. My taxes pay for all kinds of shit I don't agree with either,but I like to think my money also goes for education and infrastructure,or school lunches. I like living without that kind of fear,it's nice.

I had a similar conversation on Twitter. Some wingnut was fuming about "sluts getting free abortions and birth control from MY TAX DOLLARS!" I said "what about prenatal care for women who don't use birth control?" "NO TAX MONEY FOR SLUTS!" Uhhhh...

400 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:30:04am

re: #399 Vicious Babushka

I had a similar conversation on Twitter. Some wingnut was fuming about "sluts getting free abortions and birth control from MY TAX DOLLARS!" I said "what about prenatal care for women who don't use birth control?" "NO TAX MONEY FOR SLUTS!" Uhhhh...

I think Twitter is in a way a great social control. Easy to vent on and thus get a lot of angry energy released without it leading to actual action against the status quo. When the AI take over and set up the Matrix everyone will have a built-in Twitter feed on their implanted chip.

401 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:32:32am

Online data mapping and analysis site Floatingsheep has a story up regarding a recent upswing of racist Twitter posts surrounding this week's re-election of Barack Obama to the Presidency.

Mapping Racist Tweets in Response to President Obama's Re-election

During the day after the 2012 presidential election we took note of a spike in hate speech on Twitter referring to President Obama's re-election, as chronicled by Jezebel (thanks to Chris Van Dyke for bringing this our attention). It is a useful reminder that technology reflects the society in which it is based, both the good and the bad. Information space is not divorced from everyday life and racism extends into the geoweb and helps shapes its contours; and in turn, data from the geoweb can be used to reflect the geographies of racist practice back onto the places from which they emerged.

Using DOLLY we collected all the geocoded tweets from the last week (beginning November 1) with racist terms that also reference the election in order to understand how these everyday acts of explicit racism are spatially distributed. Given the nature of these search terms, we've buried the details at the bottom of this post in a footnote [1].

Given our interest in the geography of information we wanted to see how this type of hate speech overlaid on physical space. To do this we aggregated the 395 hate tweets to the state level and then normalized them by comparing them to the total number of geocoded tweets coming out of that state in the same time period [2]. We used a location quotient inspired measure (LQ) that indicates each state's share of election hate speech tweet relative to its total number of tweets.[3] A score of 1.0 indicates that a state has relatively the same number of hate speech tweets as its total number of tweets. Scores above 1.0 indicate that hate speech is more prevalent than all tweets, suggesting that the state's "twitterspace" contains more racists post-election tweets than the norm.

I've linked the Jezebel article that they used for inspiration for this piece as well - it's worth noting that the tweets that are cataloged are not including the "dog-whistle" variety, but only document those specifically using the most vile of racist epithets, and were specifically linked to Obama himself.
Read these at your own risk - you honestly may want to shower afterwards.

402 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:32:54am

Mornin' lizards.

You know, I'm still contrasting, in my mind, the news that Romney cut off his staffers' credit cards immediately to the video of Obama getting misty-eyed when praising his staff for the incredible work they did.

Does anything lay out in starker terms the difference in CHARACTER of these two men? One is an asshole who care nothing, but nothing, for anything but his own wealth and power, and the other, whatever flaws he may have as a human being, genuinely understands that we must all work together to better ourselves individually and as a people.

I know who I want leading a nation of 300 million.

403 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:38:16am
404 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:39:05am

Freepers still freaking...

Folks. Do what you can to prepare for this. It is going to be pure, total socialism. Homosexual, abortion, Satan driven agenda. This is not going to be pretty. What will happen to America the next four years will take a century to repair, IF we had a century to do it. I think not. Before these four years are up, I predict total collapse of our economy and massive protests and riots, loss of income, jobs, high prices, total mess. I see nothing, absolutely nothing good coming from this. This Satanic fool will drive America over the edge. Basically, America as founded is DEAD. Never to return.

Oh and saw this while I was there, they are so funny, hurr durp... /

Titanic 2012

406 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:45:25am

re: #404 ghazidor

Freepers still freaking...

Oh and saw this while I was there, they are so funny, hurr durp... /

Titanic 2012

Reminds me of a Romney ad that I saw the day before the election that was broadcast in Michigan, showing factories chained shut as the jobs are sent overseas (yes it contained the stupid lie that Jeep is sending production to China). What a dumbass.

It was followed immediately afterward by a pro-Obama ad that showed actual scenes from the actual automotive industry.

407 Big Steve  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:46:49am

In the Pigs Flying category.....I actually agreed with something Ann Coulter wrote

No law is ever going to require a woman to bear the child of her rapist. Yes, it's every bit as much a life as an unborn child that is not the product of rape. But sentient human beings are capable of drawing gradations along a line.

Actually the whole piece is ok because she takes to task the lunatic fringe of the GOP. Ann Coulter

408 Joanne  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:50:43am

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

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There's some great spin!

409 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:50:55am

re: #407 Big Steve

I wouldn't give that much credit, because the GOP candidates and faithful are intent upon enacting laws that do just that. That they haven't succeeded to date doesn't mean that they have given up trying. Those personhood amendments haven't suddenly gone away, nor has that segment of the GOP that is unambiguously and stridently anti-abortion under any and all circumstances, including rape.

410 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:50:58am

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Why do you think people would not favor a national ID card?

People on both the right and left would fear too much government control/big brother meddling in their lives.

It is an accepted fact of life in Europe, it made perfect sense in the upheavals after WWII with so many displaced persons, that eveyone should have an ID and a registered place of residence.

Try and get that past anyone on the extreme right/left in America...

Not to mention the fact that it would cost money, and no small amount, to do it properly and effectively.

411 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:51:27am

re: #407 Big Steve

In the Pigs Flying category.....I actually agreed with something Ann Coulter wrote

Actually the whole piece is ok because she takes to task the lunatic fringe of the GOP. Ann Coulter

Unless she takes herself to task for her own litany of disgusting statements (many of which advocated violence against her political foes, real and imagined), stating what I would like Ann to do would (a) be likely physically impossible for her to accomplish and (b) likely get me banned.

412 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:52:58am

re: #404 ghazidor

What is it with these knuckleheads conflating socialism with homosexuality? I see it all the time on wingnut sites, and I don't grasp it. One is a system of economics, the other is a sexual orientation and a social issue in the political sphere. Gays allowed to marry means....state control of the means of production? Huh?

And of course, in a REAL country where socialist economics rule, Cuba, homosexuals have been persecuted for decades.

I really can't fathom the wingnut mind.

413 Big Steve  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:56:36am

re: #411 RadicalModerate

Oh I agree entirely. No columnist has pissed me off more than Coulter primarily because she clearly is intelligent but spends so much energy being the clown and making statements just to draw attention to herself.

414 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:57:17am

re: #412 Ian G.

What is it with these knuckleheads conflating socialism with homosexuality?

They see them both as an abomination unto the Lord.

415 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 7:58:06am

re: #412 Ian G.

What is it with these knuckleheads conflating socialism with homosexuality? I see it all the time on wingnut sites, and I don't grasp it. One is a system of economics, the other is a sexual orientation and a social issue in the political sphere. Gays allowed to marry means....state control of the means of production? Huh?

And of course, in a REAL country where socialist economics rule, Cuba, homosexuals have been persecuted for decades.

I really can't fathom the wingnut mind.

It's name calling and parroting of talking points. Ask one of them to define capitalism, socialism, and how they relate to the US economic system.

It's easier to spout ignorance than to show curiosity and spend time learning about a subject. Especially since that will show you that "easy" solutions aren't, and that black/white is really a lot of gray, and that nuance is not really only a liberal concept.

416 blueraven  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:00:39am
417 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:02:30am
418 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:04:39am

Romney's handling of election night vindicates pretty much everything that was ever said against him during the campaign. An arrogant, out-of-touch douchebag that went into what would at best be a very close race with no concession speech prepared in case he lost. And for all his talk about how he cares about the little people, for all of Ann's bloviating about how they understand you people because they've totally been there before (had to eat tuna for god's sake!), what was the first thing they did the absolute second they lost and no longer had a public image to uphold?

Fuck everyone beneath them in the ass for financial gain (or the prevention of financial loss).

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

419 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:04:51am

re: #404 ghazidor

Freepers still freaking...

These people will have to accept reality at some point, right?

America is a very resilient country. It's not going to fall apart because a black man got elected to two terms as POTUS. They need to get a damn grip. All that drama can't be good for their blood pressure.

420 Coracle  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:05:15am

I waited a little more than 3 years:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

(WJN) So far, so failed. Prove me otherwise.

(Cor) Tell you what. I've favorited that post. Let's revisit in 3 years.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Aug. 2009, an (eventually-ex) LFGer claiming a "failed president" 7 months into the term.

Correct about the defeat (or non-start) of cap and trade. Incorrect about pretty much everything else. Not that they didn't try.

Looking back over that whole thread was a real trip.

421 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:05:47am

re: #407 Big Steve

She IS the lunatic fringe of the GOP, or at least she profits very well from them.

422 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:07:51am

No Pam, it had to be Mitt Romney wearing a burqa, it's totally his MO.

423 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:09:25am
424 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:10:03am

re: #423 Lidane

The Presidency can really age a person fast.

425 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:12:16am

First they'd have to understand the concept of self-awareness.

Baby steps, Matt. Baby steps.

426 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:12:57am

LOL Who is going to come to your rescue?

427 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:14:06am

re: #426 Vicious Babushka

LOL Who is going to come to your rescue?

They must be expecting the Australians...

428 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:14:18am

re: #423 Lidane

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AdWeek now has the picture Bloomberg would have run if Romney had won as well.

[Link: www.adweek.com...]

429 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:15:12am

re: #422 Vicious Babushka

No Pam, it had to be Mitt Romney wearing a burqa, it's totally his MO.

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Because....Obama is the President of Egypt? Or is she saying that Obama should have sent in the 82nd airborne to defend a thieving autocrat like Hosni Mubarak? Wasn't it just a decade ago that the right wanted to see a flowering of democracy in the Arab world?

Can these people stay intellectually consistent on ANYTHING?

430 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:15:40am

re: #407 Big Steve

In the Pigs Flying category.....I actually agreed with something Ann Coulter wrote

Actually the whole piece is ok because she takes to task the lunatic fringe of the GOP. Ann Coulter

You mean Ann Coulter, who said that Jews are going to hell unless they convert to Christianity, and that women's suffrage damaged the US?

Unless she includes herself in the lunatic fringe, this article is meaningless.

431 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:16:05am

re: #429 Ian G.

Because....Obama is the President of Egypt? Or is she saying that Obama should have sent in the 82nd airborne to defend a thieving autocrat like Hosni Mubarak? Wasn't it just a decade ago that the right wanted to see a flowering of democracy in the Arab world?

Can these people stay intellectually consistent on ANYTHING?

Yeah, one thing. OBAMA=BAD!

432 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:16:21am

re: #427 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

They must be expecting the Australians...

They want the Aussies and their white Christian male President to save them. Heh.

433 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:17:30am

re: #429 Ian G.

Because....Obama is the President of Egypt? Or is she saying that Obama should have sent in the 82nd airborne to defend a thieving autocrat like Hosni Mubarak? Wasn't it just a decade ago that the right wanted to see a flowering of democracy in the Arab world?

Can these people stay intellectually consistent on ANYTHING?

They're being intellectually consistent. Everything is Obama's fault.

434 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:19:22am

re: #426 Vicious Babushka

These people will always mystify me with their siege mentality.

I simply cannot understand going through life that consumed with fear and hatred for your fellow man. It makes no sense to me at all.

435 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:20:31am

re: #432 Lidane

They want the Aussies and their white Christian male President to save them. Heh.

Wasn't there a rightwinger who posted they wanted to repatriate to Australia for these exact reasons - and were promptly told by the Australian consulate "no, we don't want you because you are honestly too stupid for us"?

436 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:20:39am

re: #129 b_snark

What is this guy's name, Cut-Me-Own-Throat Dibbler?

CMOT Dibbler actually knew how to run a business.

Otherwise he'd never have been able to make enough money selling his sausages for all those other things he tried that didn't work out.

437 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:21:30am

Rachel sums it all up nicely:

438 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:23:54am

re: #435 RadicalModerate

Wasn't there a rightwinger who posted they wanted to repatriate to Australia for these exact reasons - and were promptly told by the Australian consulate "no, we don't want you because you are honestly too stupid for us"?

Yep. Some idiot wingnut on Twitter. She got laughed at by the Aussies in response.

439 Joanne  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:28:31am

BREAKING: Boehner on television lying his ass off.

Oh, wait...that's not breaking, it is di rigeour.

440 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:33:15am

Gahh...I like the Freepers better when they are simply moaning about how the country is doomed. This one actually wants them all to help the process along as much as possible...

Embrace the machine, starve the system, position traditional conservatism and liberty

The Nov. 6 big win (let's not kid ourselves about this) for the progressive agenda reveals some changes in America that we, as conservatives, cannot ignore. It is apparent that the American ideal has changed over the last 60 or so years such that a traditional conservative viewpoint is no longer relative. Traditional Americans have few options to steer the ship or promote the Founder's vision. We frankly lost because there are too many who get a slice of government cheese and don't want to (or can't) risk losing it.

Embrace the machine, starve the system, position traditional conservatism as the only rationl solution.

Entitlement growth including EBT, food-stamps, housing and education assistance, single parenthood, rejection of traditional marriage has a clear end-game. The result is an automatic vote from this wedge of the electorate. All of us, regardless of need, should leverage any benefit that we technically or legally qualify. The rules for many entitlements with regard to ID and proof of need have been relaxed. Use the new rules to advantage. There are "free" legal services available to "help" ensure you qualify (answer the questions right), use them. If denied, use the free services to appeal.

When the healthcare law kicks in - use your new weapon of free medical services. Have every ache and malady investigated, get a second opinion. Demand the most up-to-date therapy. It is your right. Appeal every denial of service.

Stop giving to private charity (this is a tough one). Limit who you help to individuals in your personal circle. It is now the State's responsibility to clothe the poor and feed the hungry. Force the state to accept this role in its entirety.

Support the expansion of the entitled. Campaign to reduce requirements on benefits. Expand the pool.

Support the regulatory push that hobbles our extraction and harvest of resources (gas, oil, coal, forestry). New wealth pumped into the progressive machine will only help sustain it. Reduce the creation of new wealth into the system.

Promote the anthropolgical global warming hoax. Regulations and initiatives in the name of global warming reduce new wealth. Embrace it.

Establish economic relationships outside of the system. Establish commodities as a means of trade. Gold for the big stuff, junk silver coins for everyday, goods and services where you can. Challenge yourself to use less currency each month but still enjoy the comforts.

Use your personal resources wisely. The crash is coming, with some very black years ahead. Those who are prepared and can excel in the darkest days will be the ones society looks to for advice and leadership. Prepare yourself and your children to lead.

Resist the temptation to believe the machine can be fixed, it can't.

Then we will all meet at the Thunderdome and see who really runs Bartertown!

441 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:35:28am

re: #440 ghazidor

Gahh...I like the Freepers better when they are simply moaning about how the country is doomed. This one actually wants them all to help the process along as much as possible...

Then we will all meet at the Thunderdome and see who really rules Bartertown!

Why work at a $50,000 a year job when you can get $600/month on welfare for free!

442 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:36:55am

re: #440 ghazidor

Gahh...I like the Freepers better when they are simply moaning about how the country is doomed. This one actually wants them all to help the process along as much as possible...

Then we will all meet at the Thunderdome and see who really runs Bartertown!

Anthropolgical global warming?

Erm. Uh. Duh. Eee. Derp.

443 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:38:21am

re: #441 Vicious Babushka

Why work at a $50,000 a year job when you can get $600/month on welfare for free!

Didn't you know? Not having to work trumps having enough money to do more than subsist on.

444 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:40:27am

re: #441 Vicious Babushka

Why work at a $50,000 a year job when you can get $600/month on welfare for free!

You know, I think I would like to see the Freepers all quit their jobs and go on welfare. Some of them might actually learn something once they are really trying to scrape by. And then try to back out of it and find out that someone else has their former job because they did not want to live off of public assistance.

The dropping of private charity would unfortunately hit a lot of organizations who are truly staying out of politics as well as some that I would like to face financial hardships due to their dabbling and interference.

445 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:41:00am

Prepared food for the homeless? That's a banning.

[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]

446 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:43:00am

re: #445 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Prepared food for the homeless? That's a banning.

[Link: newyork.cbslocal.com...]

Bloomberg is a ass.

447 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:44:38am

re: #364 Charleston Chew

The GOP is addicted to the "wingnut vote" because they can win with it in Senate, House, Governor, and local government elections. But they need to add a certain amount of sane voters to that base to win the Presidency.

Democrats still owe Lyndon Johnson a debt of gratitude for making them quit cold turkey the addictive white racist vote in the 60s with the intervention of civil rights legislation. They were sweating, shaking, and puking for about 40 years of withdrawal, but getting sober meant that they can now be the official "not that crazy" party of the US.

The GOP will have to have a Johnson of their own, and I can't imagine who that would be.

I'd say more like 30 years than 40 up until we finally got to Clinton though I do love your analogy on the whole.

448 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:45:19am

re: #441 Vicious Babushka

Why work at a $50,000 a year job when you can get $600/month on welfare for free!

That's what I never understood. I have a wingnut uncle (a retired public school principal, just don't suggest to him that he was government spending beneficiary or he'll explode) who constantly rants about "welfare mothers" buying their kids "$100 sneakers". So....he's envious of that? He'd rather live in a run-down apartment in a crime-riddled neighborhood and waste his income on expensive shoes than work hard and spend prudently so he can live comfortably in suburbia and send his two kids to college as he did?

Again, I can't fathom the wingnut mind.

449 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:46:12am

re: #445 Darth Vader Gargoyle

A lot of the links in the story don't actually back it up, but this is probably just unexpected fallout from the dumb food laws. The law was probably written broadly enough that it applies to all food that passes through the government. Obviously, in a crisis moment, the rules should be relaxed even if they're good the rest of the time.

450 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:48:44am

re: #428 RadicalModerate

AdWeek now has the picture Bloomberg would have run if Romney had won as well.

[Link: www.adweek.com...]

Why does the Romney one look like he's coated in powdered sugar?

451 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:50:30am

re: #440 ghazidor

Just to parse this for a moment:

Entitlement growth including EBT, food-stamps, housing and education assistance, single parenthood, rejection of traditional marriage has a clear end-game.

Didn't know gay marriage was an "entitlement", but never mind. Note what's missing: medicare and social security. Of course. This freeper will be (or already is) benefiting from those programs, so they're not "government waste". It's only government waste if it's spent on poor brown people.

Stop giving to private charity (this is a tough one).

Yes, please do. Knowing this guy and his minions, the "private charity" they give to is likely their right-wing church. If ever some beast needed starving, it's the Robertson-Perkins-Reed industrial complex.

I'll keep giving my charitable donations to homeless shelters, food banks, refugee assistance groups, microfinancers, and The Nature Conservancy.

452 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:50:49am

re: #449 Obdicut

A lot of the links in the story don't actually back it up, but this is probably just unexpected fallout from the dumb food laws. The law was probably written broadly enough that it applies to all food that passes through the government. Obviously, in a crisis moment, the rules should be relaxed even if they're good the rest of the time.

Imagine someone trying to give homeless people 32-ounce beverages...

453 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:52:48am

Giving the homeless goose liver pate must be a capital offense...

454 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:55:55am

re: #450 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Why does the Romney one look like he's coated in powdered sugar?

That is "Romney 2.0 New, Improved, and Even Whiter!"

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455 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:56:40am

re: #452 AK-47%

Imagine someone trying to give homeless people 32-ounce beverages...

Are you mad bro? You trying to bring the foods cops down on us?

456 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:56:47am

Uh, that Bloomberg story is from March.

457 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 8:56:56am

re: #454 ghazidor

That is "Romney 2.0 New, Improved, and Even Whiter!"

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Or his biological camouflage coating is breaking down.
//

458 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:02:08am

re: #456 Gus

Uh, that Bloomberg story is from March.

ah. Then it's a non-issue. The government can regulate the food it gives the homeless however they want. It doesn't do much good to feed the homeless if you feed them a diet that leads straight to Type II diabetes.

459 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:02:54am

re: #451 Ian G.

Didn't know gay marriage was an "entitlement", but never mind. Note what's missing: medicare and social security. Of course. This freeper will be (or already is) benefiting from those programs, so they're not "government waste". It's only government waste if it's spent on poor brown people.

Precisely this. It is never, has never been, and will never be about actual fiscal responsibility. It's about getting the government to spend on me and only on me. There are teabaggers that have been government employees their whole lives, who currently collect social security AND medicare, who complain about "the size of government" and "entitlements".

This is why I (and over half the country as demonstrated Tuesday) cannot take Republican economic ideas seriously. It's a transparent sham to hoard all the government largesse for themselves.

460 makeitstop  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:04:37am

re: #407 Big Steve

In the Pigs Flying category.....I actually agreed with something Ann Coulter wrote

Actually the whole piece is ok because she takes to task the lunatic fringe of the GOP. Ann Coulter

That's odd. I would have counted her among the lunatic fringe. Go figure.

461 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:05:04am

re: #458 Obdicut

ah. Then it's a non-issue. The government can regulate the food it gives the homeless however they want. It doesn't do much good to feed the homeless if you feed them a diet that leads straight to Type II diabetes.

I see others have brought up this standing ban. Odd because it's been in place since around March. Looks like they're on it at Daily Paul, Mass Cops, Before it is News, Reddit. All the intellectuals are tackling this food conundrum this morning. Which of course is leading to accusations such as "Great timing fuhrer Bloomberg, right in the middle of hurricane relief efforts!" That's from God Like Production. Then of course they link to the March story.

462 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:05:42am

Long story short. There is no "great timing." This was done months ago. So to associate this with hurricane relief efforts is completely misleading.

Any questions?

463 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:06:54am

re: #461 Gus

I see others have brought up this standing ban. Odd because it's been in place since around March. Looks like they're on it at Daily Paul, Mass Cops, Before it is News, Reddit. All the intellectuals are tackling this food conundrum this morning. Which of course is leading to accusations such as "Great timing fuhrer Bloomberg, right in the middle of hurricane relief efforts!" That's from God Like Production. Then of course they link to the March story.

It's so nice that people come here and clue us in to these important memes going around in certain circles.

464 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:07:45am

re: #462 Gus

Long story short. There is no "great timing." This was done months ago. So to associate this with hurricane relief efforts is completely misleading.

Any questions?

Situation Normal. Notroversy machinery has been tested and proven to not be suffering from hurricane damage.

465 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:08:18am

re: #463 wrenchwench

It's so nice that people come here and clue us in to these important memes going around in certain circles.

MSN also did it...

Hard to swallow: Bloomberg bans food donations to homeless shelters

Their source?

Nanny Bloomberg Bans Food Donations to Homeless Shelters: Too Salty!

Fox Nation and dated March of 2012.

466 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:09:05am

re: #465 Gus

MSN also did it...

Hard to swallow: Bloomberg bans food donations to homeless shelters

Their source?

Nanny Bloomberg Bans Food Donations to Homeless Shelters: Too Salty!

Fox Nation and dated March of 2012.

The polt thickens.

467 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:09:16am

Sorry, I fell for the story. I still think he's an idiot and an ass and a little too much in everyone's knickers.

468 makeitstop  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:10:25am

re: #419 Lidane

These people will have to accept reality at some point, right?

Honestly? I wouldn't bet any amount of money on that.

469 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:11:46am

re: #370 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Bush III: GPB - Texas Boogaloo

George P. Bush is Jeb's son. He'd actually be pretty good candidate from a regional and ethnic standpoint. Another might be Neil Bush's smart and sharp-tongued son Pierce, although he'd be better acting as someone else's "nut cutter".

470 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:11:56am

re: #459 GunstarGreen

This is why I (and over half the country as demonstrated Tuesday) cannot take Republican economic ideas seriously. It's a transparent sham to hoard all the government largesse for themselves.

Regret that I have only one upding to give for this assessment

471 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:13:21am

re: #450 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Why does the Romney one look like he's coated in powdered sugar?

They projected Ann would have a accident baking pies before a family dinner.

/You try cooking for that many people.

472 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:13:57am

re: #467 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Sorry, I fell for the story. I still think he's an idiot and an ass and a little too much in everyone's knickers.

Too late. They're going wild on Twitter.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Derp.

473 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:15:14am

re: #467 Darth Vader Gargoyle

Sorry, I fell for the story. I still think he's an idiot and an ass and a little too much in everyone's knickers.

No he's into people's lunch bags and drink cups. He actually keeps quite clear of people's knickers. It's typically social conservatives that want to get into those.

474 calochortus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:17:49am

I don't know if anyone else has posted this, and I'm sorry it has to be a drive-by posting as I have to leave shortly but I found this interesting.

Big Oil and Sandy

476 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:18:14am

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

No he's into people's lunch bags and drink cups. He actually keeps quite clear of people's knickers. It's typically social conservatives that want to get into those.

It's an important role for government no ensure that we know what goes into the food we eat, but what food we choose to stuff into ourselves should be our decision.

477 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:18:26am

re: #460 makeitstopghazi

That's odd. I would have counted her among the lunatic fringe. Go figure.

her lazy thinking and chop logic are on display just the same

478 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:21:42am
479 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:22:22am
480 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:22:28am

re: #469 Dark_Falcon

George P. Bush is Jeb's son. He'd actually be pretty good candidate from a regional and ethnic standpoint. Another might be Neil Bush's smart and sharp-tongued son Pierce, although he'd be better acting as someone else's "nut cutter".

When you say 'good candidate from a[n] ... ethnic standpoint', do you mean that having a Hispanic person speak the Republican talking points will help the party appeal to other Hispanics? Hasn't worked so far.

481 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:23:12am

re: #478 Lidane

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Maybe after Thanksgiving it would work.

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482 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:24:47am

re: #477 engineer cat

her lazy thinking and chop logic are on display just the same

Still, its not an insane piece and her basic point is sound: It's very hard to defeat an incumbent president, especially if that incumbent does not face a primary challenge. The last time an incumbent president who did not face at least a notable challenge was defeated was 1932. It took FDR and the Great Depression to pull off that sort of win; It's that hard to do.

483 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:25:07am

re: #479 Lidane

Too bad we won't see any evidence of it because the BLS fakes all of the numbers.

/

485 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:25:45am

this is the first time i can remember when it wasn't clear who the next republican nominee would be. all the names being mentioned are political munchkins with little national reputation as yet

can you imagine what 2012 would have looked like without having mitt around to look like a television producer's idea of a president?

486 makeitstop  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:26:32am

re: #478 Lidane

Limbaugh reaching out to Hispanics by playing Feliz Navidad. This is happening. In real life.

Fucking divisive imbecile.

The day he leaves the airwaves cannot come soon enough for me.

487 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:28:59am

re: #478 Lidane

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They clue meter is still reading 'zero'. Jeeze, what an asshole.

488 makeitstop  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:29:11am

I posted this late last night. Re-posting because it's a good take on the GOP's alternate reality problem.

How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File

Before rank-and-file conservatives ask, "What went wrong?", they should ask themselves a question every bit as important: "Why were we the last to realize that things were going wrong for us?"

Barack Obama just trounced a Republican opponent for the second time. But unlike four years ago, when most conservatives saw it coming, Tuesday's result was, for them, an unpleasant surprise. So many on the right had predicted a Mitt Romney victory, or even a blowout -- Dick Morris, George Will, and Michael Barone all predicted the GOP would break 300 electoral votes. Joe Scarborough scoffed at the notion that the election was anything other than a toss-up. Peggy Noonan insisted that those predicting an Obama victory were ignoring the world around them. Even Karl Rove, supposed political genius, missed the bulls-eye. These voices drove the coverage on Fox News, talk radio, the Drudge Report, and conservative blogs.

Those audiences were misinformed.

Nothing we don't already know, but worth a read.

489 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:29:32am

re: #478 Lidane

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The only version of that song that I can stand is the parody "Police nabbed my Dad, and took away all the meth he had"

490 calochortus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:29:55am

re: #478 Lidane

Making fun of Hispanics is a good way to get them to vote with you?

Anyway, I've got to head out.

491 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:30:36am

re: #479 Lidane

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The party of personal responsibility! The President is personally responsible for every decision made by everyone else!

492 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:30:51am

re: #485 engineer cat

Santorum. He's the next one, just as Romney was a lock this time around.

I'm still certain that we're going to see Cthulhu/Zod in 2016 (for both parties). /

493 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:32:53am

From Joe. My. God.

A Minnesota pastor has been charged with eight felony counts of sexual assault upon men he was giving "ex-gay therapy." How entirely shocking.

[...]

First comment there:

And here I am with no fainting couch anywhere in sight!

494 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:33:37am

re: #488 makeitstopghazi

I posted this late last night. Re-posting because it's a good take on the GOP's alternate reality problem.

How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File

Nothing we don't already know, but worth a read.

That hits the only real surprise of the election--that those idiots actually believed their own BS. I thought they were just gulling the rubes.

495 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:33:58am

re: #488 makeitstopghazi

I posted this late last night. Re-posting because it's a good take on the GOP's alternate reality problem.

How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File

Nothing we don't already know, but worth a read.

In a world where continued employment at a job was based solely on merit, where people had to compete in a fair marketplace of ideas, all of those people would be out of a job. Their entire function as members of the news media was to inform the public, and they failed miserably.

But remember, as with pretty much everything else Republicans suggest: Tis For Thee, Not For Me. They suddenly stop believing in merit-based employment/pay and the "marketplace of ideas" when they're the ones on the chopping block.

496 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:34:15am

re: #486 makeitstopghazi

Fucking divisive imbecile.

The day he leaves the airwaves cannot come soon enough for me.

Matt Taibi:

Similarly, the fact that so many Republicans this week think that all Hispanics care about is amnesty, all women want is abortions (and lots of them) and all teenagers want is to sit on their couches and smoke tons of weed legally, that tells you everything you need to know about the hopeless, anachronistic cluelessness of the modern Republican Party. A lot of these people, believe it or not, would respond positively, or at least with genuine curiosity, to the traditional conservative message of self-reliance and fiscal responsibility.

But modern Republicans will never be able to spread that message effectively, because they have so much of their own collective identity wrapped up in the belief that they're surrounded by free-loading, job-averse parasites who not only want to smoke weed and have recreational abortions all day long, but want hardworking white Christians like them to pay the tab. Their whole belief system, which is really an endless effort at congratulating themselves for how hard they work compared to everyone else (by the way, the average "illegal," as Rush calls them, does more real work in 24 hours than people like Rush and me do in a year), is inherently insulting to everyone outside the tent – and you can't win votes when you're calling people lazy, stoned moochers.

It's hard to say whether it's good or bad that the Rushes of the world are too clueless to realize that it's their attitude, not their policies, that is screwing them most with minority voters. If they were self-aware at all, Mitt Romney would probably be president right now. So I guess we should be grateful that the light doesn't look like it will ever go on. But wow, is their angst tough to listen to.

497 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:34:53am

re: #477 engineer cat

her lazy thinking and chop logic are on display just the same

I am going to quote this part of Coulter's piece at length, because for once she says something the GOP really needs to hear. She uses short paragraphs which is part why there are a large number of them:

No one can be blamed for the hurricane that took the news off the election, abruptly halting Romney's momentum, but Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock can be blamed on two very specific people: Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock.

The last two weeks of the campaign were consumed with discussions of women's "reproductive rights," not because of anything Romney did, but because these two idiots decided to come out against abortion in the case of rape and incest.

After all the hard work intelligent pro-lifers have done in changing the public's mind about a subject the public would rather not think about at all, these purist grandstanders came along and announced insane positions with no practical purpose whatsoever, other than showing off.

While pro-lifers in the trenches have been pushing the abortion positions where 90 percent of the country agrees with us -- such as bans on partial birth abortion, and parental and spousal notification laws -- Akin and Mourdock decided to leap straight to the other end of the spectrum and argue for abortion positions that less than 1 percent of the nation agrees with.

In order to be pro-life badasses, they gave up two easy-win Republican Senate seats.

No law is ever going to require a woman to bear the child of her rapist. Yes, it's every bit as much a life as an unborn child that is not the product of rape. But sentient human beings are capable of drawing gradations along a line.

Just because I need iron to live doesn't mean I have to accept 100,000 milligrams, which will kill me. If we give the guy who passed bad checks a prison furlough, that doesn't mean we have to give one to Willie Horton. I like a tablespoon of sugar in my coffee, but not a pound.

The overwhelming majority of people -- including me -- are going to say the law shouldn't force someone who has been raped to carry the child. On the other hand, abortion should be illegal in most other cases.

Is that so hard for Republicans to say?

498 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:36:21am

re: #492 lawhawk

Santorum. He's the next one, just as Romney was a lock this time around.

I'm still certain that we're going to see Cthulhu/Zod in 2016 (for both parties). /

I was going to say something about sweater vests... but it was too depressing.

499 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:38:40am

re: #497 Dark_Falcon

I am going to quote this part of Coulter's piece at length, because for once she says something the GOP really needs to hear. She uses short paragraphs which is part why there are a large number of them:

So the reasonable part of what Coulter says, the part the Republicans need to hear, is SHUT UP ABOUT WHAT YOU REALLY BELIEVE!

500 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:38:41am

re: #492 lawhawk

Santorum. He's the next one, just as Romney was a lock this time around.

I'm still certain that we're going to see Cthulhu/Zod in 2016 (for both parties). /

Heaven help us. That crazy motherfucker is a True Believer to the core. He legitimately frightens me.

501 Flounder  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:38:42am

Hindsight is always 20/20

502 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:39:02am

Ann Coulter could save the whales, I'd still never read her or quote her.

503 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:39:18am

re: #482 Dark_Falcon

Still, its not an insane piece and her basic point is sound: It's very hard to defeat an incumbent president, especially if that incumbent does not face a primary challenge. The last time a incumbent president who did not face at least a notable challenge was defeated was 1932. It took FDR and the Great Depression to pull off that sort of win; It's that hard to do.

yes, democrats have only been able to do it in 1932, 1976, and 1992, after republicans have fucked up the economy again. of course democrats won in 2008 after republicans fucked up the economy one more time, its just that george was lucky enuf to be well out of it

i keep on wondering if it will ever sink in on americans that republicans are really bad at managing the economy

504 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:40:23am

re: #494 Decatur Deb

That hits the only real surprise of the election--that those idiots actually believed their own BS. I thought they were just gulling the rubes.

Never get high on your own product man...

505 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:41:52am

re: #497 Dark_Falcon

Shorter Ann Coulter: "STFU about what you believe, GOP! It's the only way we can win!"

506 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:42:01am

I almost started agreeing with her until I came to this:

While pro-lifers in the trenches have been pushing the abortion positions where 90 percent of the country agrees with us -- such as bans on partial birth abortion

Late-term abortions are NEVER performed out of "convenience" or "choice." It is a difficult and dangerous procedure that almost always involves a threat to the mother's life, or a fetus that is dying or already dead.

507 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:42:12am
508 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:42:19am

She's not writing this the context of helping everyone, she's just talking about how changing the tune will help the Republican party. Same old tune from the same old Coulter. I can't believe people are falling for this.

509 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:42:20am

re: #503 engineer cat

yes, democrats have only been able to do it in 1932, 1976, and 1992, after republicans have fucked up the economy again. of course democrats won in 2008 after republicans fucked up the economy one more time, its just that george was lucky enuf to be well out of it

i keep on wondering if it will ever sink in on americans that republicans are really bad at managing the economy

1932 I give a pass on just because that was the first time it happened and more importantly because the democratic party of 1932 looks nothing at all like the democratic party of today.

510 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:42:34am

re: #503 engineer cat

yes, democrats have only been able to do it in 1932, 1976, and 1992, after republicans have fucked up the economy again. of course democrats won in 2008 after republicans fucked up the economy one more time, its just that george was lucky enuf to be well out of it

i keep on wondering if it will ever sink in on americans that republicans are really bad at managing the economy

In 1976 and 1992, the incumbent Republican faced a primary challenge, as did Carter in 1980. That is why I used the phrase "an incumbent president who did not face at least a notable challenge".

511 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:42:37am
512 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:42:52am
513 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:43:10am
514 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:43:32am
515 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:43:46am

Want more? Seriously.

516 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:44:10am

Won't ever happen, but it would be interesting.

That's what the GOP needs -- not pandering to the extremist fuckwits, but publicly calling them out and saying that no, that's not acceptable.

517 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:44:11am

re: #497 Dark_Falcon

I'm going to link back to my earlier response to Coulter's article since it's just as relevant now as when Big Steve cited to it earlier.

But I'll add that she's no where near the truth on "90 percent of the country agrees with us -- such as bans on partial birth abortion, and parental and spousal notification laws -- Akin and Mourdock decided to leap straight to the other end of the spectrum and argue for abortion positions that less than 1 percent of the nation agrees with." That's why they're still pushing personhood amendments and other bills that get sponsorship from the GOP leadership, including Ryan himself.

Akin and Mourdock aren't outliers. They're signals of a larger movement within the GOP to curtail abortion. Their aspirations are to eliminate abortion in the US, and will use it as a weapon against funding for PP, which provides vital health services to women across the country.

518 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:44:16am

re: #514 Gus

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519 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:44:41am

re: #506 Vicious Babushka

I almost started agreeing with her until I came to this:

Late-term abortions are NEVER performed out of "convenience" or "choice." It is a difficult and dangerous procedure that almost always involves a threat to the mother's life, or a fetus that is dying or already dead.

Much like, "she needs to spend so much on contraception, she must be a super-slut", a Republican pundit does not actually need to know anything about the subject of birth control to preach the message to backwards troglodytes.

520 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:44:51am

re: #508 dragonath

She's not writing this the context of helping everyone, she's just talking about how changing the tune will help the Republican party. Same old tune from the same old Coulter. I can't believe people are falling for this.

So? I give her a pass on that part. She's writing a political piece from a known political perspective. She's talking about how a political party can improve its results. That's not a 'unity' theme.

521 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:45:13am

re: #466 wrenchwench

The polt thickens.

Come on, people... it wasn't a typo! I never ask for dings, but this was my best comment this morning!

522 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:45:50am

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

She's talking about how a political party can improve its results. That's not a 'unity' theme.

The only way the GOP can improve its results is by improving its ideas and its media.

523 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:46:40am

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

So? I give her a pass on that part. She's writing a political piece from a known political perspective. She's talking about how a political party can improve its results. That's not a 'unity' theme.

If your party has resigned itself to taking political advice from Ann Coulter, then it really is dead.

524 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:48:21am

re: #520 Dark_Falcon

So? I give her a pass on that part. She's writing a political piece from a known political perspective. She's talking about how a political party can improve its results. That's not a 'unity' theme.

I don't mind a partisan being a partisan, but her advice is "SHUT UP!!"

525 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:48:29am
526 Joanne  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:48:54am

re: #407 Big Steve

In the Pigs Flying category.....I actually agreed with something Ann Coulter wrote

Actually the whole piece is ok because she takes to task the lunatic fringe of the GOP. Ann Coulter

This is the problem with pundits:

One of Obama's first acts in office was to bail out the auto industry to help him in states he'd need in the upper Midwest, such as Michigan and Ohio. He visited Ohio nearly 50 times, while not visiting lots of other states even once. Obama was working Ohio from the moment he became president. Meanwhile, Romney didn't wrap up the primaries until the end of May.

The GM bailout wasn't political, it was about saving a major manufacturing sector, one which employes 10's of thousands of people (both with the auto manufacturers and downstream vendors - and often the towns those facilities are located themselves). There are human consequences. Not everything is political...except to these ignorant pundits (and sadly, the GOP itself).

527 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:49:43am

re: #517 lawhawk

I'm going to link back to my earlier response to Coulter's article since it's just as relevant now as when Big Steve cited to it earlier.

But I'll add that she's no where near the truth on "90 percent of the country agrees with us -- such as bans on partial birth abortion, and parental and spousal notification laws -- Akin and Mourdock decided to leap straight to the other end of the spectrum and argue for abortion positions that less than 1 percent of the nation agrees with." That's why they're still pushing personhood amendments and other bills that get sponsorship from the GOP leadership, including Ryan himself.

Akin and Mourdock aren't outliers. They're signals of a larger movement within the GOP to curtail abortion. Their aspirations are to eliminate abortion in the US, and will use it as a weapon against funding for PP, which provides vital health services to women across the country.

The thing is that Coulter would reply to those people as I would: "You might want the law to be 'against abortion in all cases', but that just isn't going to happen. The overwhelming majority of the public supports a rape/incest/life of the mother allowance for abortion. Trying to push your views into that kind of opposition will only result in your defeat and your cause getting nothing. Learn to accept a half of something instead of all of nothing."

528 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:50:18am

re: #505 Lidane

Shorter Ann Coulter: "STFU about what you believe, GOP! It's the only way we can win!"

I liken things like this to groups like the KKK taking off their white sheets and putting on their business suits to stand in front of the Council of Conservative CitizensFamily Research Council.

Same disgusting message, by the same disgusting people, just with a more presentable wrapper around it.

529 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:50:30am

re: #526 Joanne

This is the problem with pundits:

The GM bailout wasn't political, it was about saving a major manufacturing sector, one which employes 10's of thousands of people (both with the auto manufacturers and downstream vendors - and often the towns those facilities are located themselves). There are human consequences. Not everything is political...except to these ignorant pundits (and sadly, the GOP itself).

Michigan was never in danger of going red, even though it was Mitt Romney's home state. His "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" totally destroyed him.

530 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:50:30am

Ann Coulter. Ann fucking Coulter. This is really happening.

SMFH.

531 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:50:55am

re: #521 wrenchwench

Come on, people... it wasn't a typo! I never ask for dings, but this was my best comment this morning!

I think I knew that at the time, but the intensive motivated reasoning I did in order to minimize my cognitive dissonance over the idea forced me to ignore the pure evil brilliance of the comment, so I was unable to upding you.

532 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:51:21am

re: #526 Joanne

This is the problem with pundits:

The GM bailout wasn't political, it was about saving a major manufacturing sector, one which employes 10's of thousands of people (both with the auto manufacturers and downstream vendors - and often the towns those facilities are located themselves). There are human consequences. Not everything is political...except to these ignorant pundits (and sadly, the GOP itself).

Oh, that had a political component to it, don't think it didn't! The UAW were big Obama supporters.

533 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:51:42am

Sandy Rios: Gay Marriage brings about the 'Rape of Our Children's Innocence'

Rios and AFA spokesman Bryan Fischer were stunned by Allen West’s loss in Florida, which for Fischer proves that Americans are making “alarming choices about who their leaders are going to be.” Rios lamented that voters have clearly become solidly in favor of abortion rights and gay equality, saying that voters “want abortion, they are demanding it,” and are also “clamoring for gay marriage.” She went on to argue that marriage equality will lead to “explicit instruction in public schools” and the “rape of our children’s innocence.”

I thought it was priests who had been doing the raping?

534 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:51:52am

re: #531 b_snark

I think I knew that at the time, but the intensive motivated reasoning I did in order to minimize my cognitive dissonance over the idea forced me to ignore the pure evil brilliance of the comment, so I was unable to upding you.

OK, you get a pass.

And made me lol.

535 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:52:46am

re: #532 Dark_Falcon

Oh, that had a political component to it, don't think it didn't! The UAW were big Obama supporters.

Bullshit it did. Bull fucking shit.

536 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:53:09am

re: #525 Lidane

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537 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:53:14am

re: #527 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that Coulter would reply to those people as I would: "You might want the law to be 'against abortion in all cases', but that just isn't going to happen. The overwhelming majority of the public supports a rape/incest/life of the mother allowance for abortion. Trying to push your views into that kind of opposition will only result in your defeat and your cause getting nothing. Learn to accept a half of something instead of all of nothing."

In other words, SHUT UP ABOUT WHAT YOU REALLY BELIEVE!!

538 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:53:43am

re: #521 wrenchwench

Come on, people... it wasn't a typo! I never ask for dings, but this was my best comment this morning!

Updinged now.

539 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:54:35am

re: #537 wrenchwench

In other words, SHUT UP ABOUT WHAT YOU REALLY BELIEVE!!

More like "Don't chase what you clearly cannot catch."

540 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:55:52am

re: #532 Dark_Falcon

Oh, that had a political component to it, don't think it didn't! The UAW were big Obama supporters.

Yes, but the implication was that it was his sole reason for doing so...

541 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:56:09am

re: #532 Dark_Falcon

Oh, that had a political component to it, don't think it didn't! The UAW were big Obama supporters.

Obama didn't save GM to make the UAW happy. He saved them because the loss of the American auto industry would have been catastrophic.

542 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:57:08am

Dark, you do realize trying to post a sanitized Coulter article is like one of us posting an article from, uh, Michael Moore or something.

Except Michael Moore is like Jesus Christ compared to Ann Coulter.

You get the point.

Gawd.

543 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:57:58am

re: #539 Dark_Falcon

More like "Don't chase what you clearly cannot catch."

More like, "Don't bring that up because people will know you value little zygotes more than full-grown women".

544 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:58:16am

re: #533 Kragar

Sandy Rios: Gay Marriage brings about the 'Rape of Our Children's Innocence'

Just once, I'd like these fuckwits to explain to me how gay marriage threatens anyone else's legal rights.

If a gay or lesbian couple gets hitched, how does that impact my life as a straight woman? Do I suddenly lose legal rights and privileges that I had before? No? Then STFU and STFD with that noise. Your discomfort with gays and lesbians is not a good reason to deny them civil rights.

545 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:58:17am

re: #542 dragonath

Dark, you do realize trying to post a sanitized Coulter article is like one of us posting an article from, uh, Michael Moore or something.

Except Michael Moore is like Jesus Christ to Ann Coulter.

You get the point.

Gawd.

I didn't bring the article up, Big Steve did. I post a passage from it because I think that passage is an important lesson for Republicans to learn.

546 Joanne  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:59:12am

re: #529 Vicious Babushka

Michigan was never in danger of going red, even though it was Mitt Romney's home state. His "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" totally destroyed him.

And so many of GOP persuasion feel that GM should have gone bankrupt, just as Romney said, even though there was no money available for any kind of structured restructure. They would have gone under, period.

But try to explain that to any of them. It's all LA LA LA LA LA all the time.

547 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:59:23am

re: #533 Kragar

Sandy Rios: Gay Marriage brings about the 'Rape of Our Children's Innocence'

I thought it was priests who had been doing the raping?

That would be legitimate rape.


BA-ZING!

548 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:59:38am

Yeah. It was all Akin and Mourdock's fault that Romney lost on abortion. Ignore the fact that Romney has said on numerous occasions he would welcome the reversal of Roe v. Wade, put in conservative judges (Bork was also a judicial adviser), repeal Title X, and defund Planned Parenthood. Spare me please.

549 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:59:42am

re: #544 Lidane

Just once, I'd like these fuckwits to explain to me how gay marriage threatens anyone else's legal rights.

If a gay or lesbian couple gets hitched, how does that impact my life as a straight woman? Do I suddenly lose legal rights and privileges that I had before? No? Then STFU and STFD with that noise. Your discomfort with gays and lesbians is not a good reason to deny them civil rights.

They can't. They're the ideological heirs of those who acted like integration of schools was the biggest calamity ever.

550 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:59:52am

re: #545 Dark_Falcon

Lesson?!! Ok, I'm pounding my head against the walls here

551 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:00:11am

re: #526 Joanne

This is the problem with pundits:

The GM bailout wasn't political, it was about saving a major manufacturing sector, one which employes 10's of thousands of people (both with the auto manufacturers and downstream vendors - and often the towns those facilities are located themselves). There are human consequences. Not everything is political...except to these ignorant pundits (and sadly, the GOP itself).

There is a psychological truth that you are most willing to believe of others actions you yourself would be likely to take.

Focusing on the motives of others is a staple in the mindset of the far right, which is why they attack the messenger instead of the message, assume collusion between their opponents and characterize those opponents as being the worst in society. That's why they find it so easy to believe climate scientists are all about saving their phony baloney jobs and raking in piles of money. They simply don't understand the pursuit of knowledge as its own reward. They do understand the use of dishonesty as a means of monetary and power gains.

552 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:00:20am

re: #544 Lidane

Just once, I'd like these fuckwits to explain to me how gay marriage threatens anyone else's legal rights.

They see it as an abdomination unto the Lord, and by allowing it in our soeicety, we are tempting God to lay some Divine Retribution on us, and stip us of our Exceptional Status.

That is Dominionism in a nutshell, it has a major place in GOP thinking and is not going to go away any time soon, even if it suffered a slight setback in 2012.

553 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:00:21am

re: #548 Gus

Yeah. I was all Akin and Mourdock's fault that Romney lost on abortion. Ignore the fact that Romney has said on numerous occasions he would welcome the reversal of Roe v. Wade, put in conservative judges (Bork was also a judicial adviser), repeal Title X, and defund Planned Parenthood. Spare me please.

"Planned Parenthood, we're gonna get rid of that."

554 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:00:29am

re: #545 Dark_Falcon

I didn't bring the article up, Big Steve did. I post a passage from it because I think that passage is an important lesson for Republicans to learn.

Here's the problem, Dark -- Ann Coulter was and is one of the leading RWNJ media darlings that has been feeding the GOP this alternate universe bullshit that they've been living in for years now. She's part of the problem.

She can't suddenly offer solutions to a problem when she's one of the main reasons why the GOP base lives in a whole different reality.

555 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:01:06am

Ann Coulter? She should have lost any credibility years ago.

556 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:01:16am

re: #548 Gus

Yeah. It was all Akin and Mourdock's fault that Romney lost on abortion. Ignore the fact that Romney has said on numerous occasions he would welcome the reversal of Roe v. Wade, put in conservative judges (Bork was also a judicial adviser), repeal Title X, and defund Planned Parenthood. Spare me please.

A & M just really got in people's faces and made Mitt's comments all but impossible to ignore or distance himself from.

557 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:01:35am

re: #517 lawhawk

I'm going to link back to my earlier response to Coulter's article since it's just as relevant now as when Big Steve cited to it earlier.

But I'll add that she's no where near the truth on "90 percent of the country agrees with us -- such as bans on partial birth abortion, and parental and spousal notification laws -- Akin and Mourdock decided to leap straight to the other end of the spectrum and argue for abortion positions that less than 1 percent of the nation agrees with." That's why they're still pushing personhood amendments and other bills that get sponsorship from the GOP leadership, including Ryan himself.

Akin and Mourdock aren't outliers. They're signals of a larger movement within the GOP to curtail abortion. Their aspirations are to eliminate abortion in the US, and will use it as a weapon against funding for PP, which provides vital health services to women across the country.

Akin's biology lesson aside, the "no rape, no incest, not much mother's health" position is that of the Catholic bishops, and they are the engine driving the anti-abortion ideology.

558 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:02:08am

re: #527 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that Coulter would reply to those people as I would: "You might want the law to be 'against abortion in all cases', but that just isn't going to happen. The overwhelming majority of the public supports a rape/incest/life of the mother allowance for abortion. Trying to push your views into that kind of opposition will only result in your defeat and your cause getting nothing. Learn to accept a half of something instead of all of nothing."

Actually, the correct answer is "This was settled by the Supreme Court over 40 years ago. Abortion is legal and there are no limits to it. To do otherwise is to insist on government control of women's bodies. So knock it the fuck off already."

559 Joanne  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:03:58am

re: #544 Lidane

Just once, I'd like these fuckwits to explain to me how gay marriage threatens anyone else's legal rights.

If a gay or lesbian couple gets hitched, how does that impact my life as a straight woman? Do I suddenly lose legal rights and privileges that I had before? No? Then STFU and STFD with that noise. Your discomfort with gays and lesbians is not a good reason to deny them civil rights.

Because these people seriously believe that God is going to immolate the entirety of the US turning us into Atlantis.

I never believed this before...but that it has been shown in this election that the GOP buys its own bullshit, I think these people truly think that this is a step to the end times.

And Rush, Fox, Beck, et al, fan those fires, big time.

560 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:04:17am

re: #558 Mattand

Actually, the correct answer is "This was settled by the Supreme Court over 40 years ago. Abortion is legal and there are no limits to it. To do otherwise is to insist on government control of women's bodies. So knock it the fuck off already."

What's really scary is we have quite a few Republicans who not only decry Roe but also Griswold. Grisfuckingwold and I am not talking about a decision that lets Chevy Chase and his fictional family go on vacations, I'm talking about a decision that prevented states from banning birth control.

561 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:04:54am

re: #556 AK-47%

A & M just really got in people's faces and made Mitt's comments all but impossible to ignore or distance himself from.

They certainly helped but Coulter is misleading on Romney's abortion stance.

562 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:05:04am

re: #558 Mattand

Actually, the correct answer is "This was settled by the Supreme Court over 40 years ago. Abortion is legal and there are no limits to it. To do otherwise is to insist on government control of women's bodies. So knock it the fuck off already."

THIS. SO MUCH.

563 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:05:16am

re: #540 AK-47%

Another way to look at it is that GWB didn't want the bankruptcies to occur on his watch, so the initial TARP funds were given in the hope that it would be sufficient to allow reorganization and breathing room to get GM and Chrysler through the worst of it.

That was insufficient, and Obama gave a second round, plus created the reorganization package that allowed both companies to continue uninterrupted. It wasn't pretty and it wasn't perfect, but both companies emerged from bankruptcy reorganization as leaner and more somewhat more efficient companies. Even the unions recognized that, which is part of the reason they bought into the whole plan. If the companies went belly up, it would have killed the unions as well. This was a plan that allowed the companies a chance to get back on their feet and the unions a chance to survive.

564 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:06:12am

re: #521 wrenchwench

Come on, people... it wasn't a typo! I never ask for dings, but this was my best comment this morning!

I finally got up my courage and went to that poster's blog (it's his username).

Only one possible reaction for this.

565 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:07:47am

re: #559 Joanne

Because these people seriously believe that God is going to immolate the entirety of the US turning us into Atlantis.

I never believed this before...but that it has been shown in this election that the GOP buys its own bullshit, I think these people truly think that this is a step to the end times.

And Rush, Fox, Beck, et al, fan those fires, big time.

Make absolutely no mistake. The people we face on the Religious Right are absolutely, 100% engaged in a very real crusade, an actual holy war for the soul of the nation. Bryan Fischer is not some fringe crank mocked by all around, but a legitimate voice of that section of the population. This is part of why they urge the GOP to outright refuse any form of compromise, it is all or nothing. You are either with god, or against him, and there can be no middle ground.

566 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:08:07am

re: #564 RadicalModerate

I finally got up my courage and went to that poster's blog (it's his username).

Only one possible reaction for this.

It's a fortuitous username. Just add 't'.

jerrysTrollin.blogspot.com

567 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:08:24am

re: #560 HappyBenghazi

What's really scary is we have quite a few Republicans who not only decry Roe but also Griswold. Grisfuckingwold and I am not talking about a decision that lets Chevy Chase and his fictional family go on vacations, I'm talking about a decision that prevented states from banning birth control.

Didn't know abou that one. Can you imagine a case involving a state banning contraceptives coming up before the current SCOTUS?

By the time they were done, The Iliad would be illegal because it mentioned Trojans.

568 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:08:29am

Republican-Heavy Counties Eat Up Most Food-Stamp Growth
By Frank Bass - Nov 4, 2012 10:00 PM MT

569 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:09:16am

re: #567 Mattand

Didn't know abou that one. Can you imagine a case involving a state banning contraceptives coming up before the current SCOTUS?

By the time they were done, The Iliad would be illegal because it mentioned Trojans.

All I can say is thank you Warren court.

570 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:09:18am

re: #568 Gus

Republican-Heavy Counties Eat Up Most Food-Stamp Growth
By Frank Bass - Nov 4, 2012 10:00 PM MT

Seventy percent of counties with the fastest-growth in food-stamp aid during the last four years voted for the Republican presidential candidate in 2008, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by Bloomberg. They include Republican strongholds like King County, Texas, which in 2008 backed Republican John McCain by 92.6 percent, his largest share in the nation; and fast-growing Douglas County, Colorado.

571 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:10:10am

re: #560 HappyBenghazi

What's really scary is we have quite a few Republicans who not only decry Roe but also Griswold. Grisfuckingwold and I am not talking about a decision that lets Chevy Chase and his fictional family go on vacations, I'm talking about a decision that prevented states from banning birth control.

Not only do they hate Griswold, which applied to married couples, but they *really* despise Eisenstadt which applied to unmarried couples. And they get totally apoplectic about Lawrence.

Funny how SCOTUS cases about sex, birth control, and people controlling their own bodies gets these dipshits so up in arms.

572 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:11:01am

re: #557 Decatur Deb

Akin's biology lesson aside, the "no rape, no incest, not much mother's health" position is that of the Catholic bishops, and they are the engine driving the anti-abortion ideology.

You forgot the other half of the Catholic bishops' viewpoint.

No contraception, period.
Birth control=abortion=murder.

573 Joanne  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:11:14am

re: #571 Lidane

Not only do they hate Griswold, which applied to married couples, but they *really* despise Eisenstadt which applied to unmarried couples. And they get totally apoplectic about Lawrence.

Funny how SCOTUS cases about sex, birth control, and people controlling their own bodies gets these dipshits so up in arms.

Nothing like the party of small government.

574 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:11:54am

re: #573 Joanne

Nothing like the party of small government.

The party of Small Gub'Mint™, not small government.

575 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:13:11am

re: #572 RadicalModerate

You forgot the other half of the Catholic bishops' viewpoint.

No contraception, period.
Birth control=abortion=murder.

Left it out because it's a little tricky. Only the less common types of chemical birth control fit that pattern. Most get you into a cooler part of hell.

576 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:13:25am

re: #571 Lidane

Not only do they hate Griswold, which applied to married couples, but they *really* despise Eisenstadt which applied to unmarried couples. And they get totally apoplectic about Lawrence.

Funny how SCOTUS cases about sex, birth control, and people controlling their own bodies gets these dipshits so up in arms.

It's pretty amusing that they decry individuals having this kind of freedom but they flip their shit at things like ACA, minimum wage, etc.

577 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:13:53am

re: #571 Lidane

Not only do they hate Griswold, which applied to married couples, but they *really* despise Eisenstadt which applied to unmarried couples. And they get totally apoplectic about Lawrence.

Funny how SCOTUS cases about sex, birth control, and people controlling their own bodies gets these dipshits so up in arms.

It's amazing until how recently that state governments could control your private lives.

I always knew we are a nation of Puritanical prudes, but all of these ruling are less than 50 years old.

578 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:13:55am

They let in the Birchers.
They let in the counter-jihad, the minutemen, and the sovereign states.
They let in Opus Dei and Operation Rescue and Christian Identity.
Then they let them be leaders and to help write their principles and doctrines.

They are not my America, and I will forever vote and act to see they are never in charge again.

579 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:14:10am
Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett now says there’s more than 631,000 early and provisional ballots statewide that have yet to be processed and counted.

The uncounted ballot total was 602,334 as of Wednesday, but numbers for Cochise, Mohave and Yavapai counties weren’t available.

Bennett announced Thursday that the uncounted ballot total stands at 631,274 statewide including nearly 460,000 early ballots.

[...]

Posted: Friday, November 9, 2012 8:38 am

580 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:15:08am

The more I read the more grateful I am for the Warren Court. The country needed that kind of court at that time in history.

581 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:16:22am

re: #575 Decatur Deb

Left it out because it's a little tricky. Only the less common types of chemical birth control fit that pattern. Most get you into a cooler part of hell.

I'm not referring to how it actually works, I'm referring to the mindset of the Catholic Church's ruling body. They could care less whether there was anything resembling life to begin with. The "no contraception" rule is absolute with them.

582 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:16:28am

re: #580 HappyBenghazi

The more I read the more grateful I am for the Warren Court. The country needed that kind of court at that time in history.

Image: WarrenImpeachSignPhotoMED.jpg

583 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:16:31am

re: #576 HappyBenghazi

It's pretty amusing that they decry individuals having this kind of freedom but they flip their shit at things like ACA, minimum wage, etc.

It isn't about freedom. Never has been. It's about serving the christian god. Freedom, as a word, is only invoked in service of that overarching goal. It never refers to the actual concept of being free from the intervention of others.

584 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:16:52am

re: #579 wrenchwench

Posted: Friday, November 9, 2012 8:38 am

That's a LOT of ballots. Enough to swing the (already called) Senate election there!

585 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:16:59am

re: #579 wrenchwench

Posted: Friday, November 9, 2012 8:38 am

Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett now says there’s more than 631,000 early and provisional ballots statewide that have yet to be processed and counted.
The uncounted ballot total was 602,334 as of Wednesday, but numbers for Cochise, Mohave and Yavapai counties weren’t available.

Bennett announced Thursday that the uncounted ballot total stands at 631,274 statewide including nearly 460,000 early ballots.

How many of them have "Romney" written in crayon?

586 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:18:04am
587 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:18:11am

re: #581 RadicalModerate

I'm not referring to how it actually works, I'm referring to the mindset of the Catholic Church's ruling body. They could care less whether there was anything resembling life to begin with. The "no contraception" rule is absolute with them.

Absolute, yes. But they really don't call it murder. They're Thomists, and do nuance very, very well.

588 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:19:23am

re: #586 Lidane

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Oh boy...

Contrary to myth, liberalism is not a political ideology but a pseudo-religion — or rather, it is a substitute for traditional religion. It is driven by emotion, symbolism, irrationality and blind, intense faith. Its holy trinity is race, class and gender. Its church is the Democratic Party. And its savior —its secular messiah —is Mr. Obama. He has fostered a cult of personality common among leftist revolutionaries. Despite blatant failures, he is not held accountable by his supporters. Like Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky, Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez, Mr. Obama is never blamed by his ideological followers for any mistakes or misdeeds. It is always someone else’s fault — especially former President George W. Bush‘s. Obama-ites have one ever-present boogeyman: Mr. Bush. He is the American left’s devil.

589 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:19:41am
590 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:20:33am

re: #588 Gus

Oh boy...

Philosophy you do to make yourself feel better as a Republican.

591 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:21:05am

re: #525 Lidane

Could be a key part of the reckoning. Frum today: GOP "Fleeced" by a "Conservative Entertainment Complex"

Oh please let this get thru to the GOP, it would do so much good for this country.

592 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:21:30am

re: #588 Gus

And people are wondering why Romney HQ didn't see defeat coming?

When your entire worldview is this sort of alternate fantasy land where Democrats supposedly believe all these things that they really don't, it's impossible to have a productive conversation.

593 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:21:31am

Jacobs Claims to have Thwarted Numerous Terrorist Attacks

Self-proclaimed “prophets” Mike and Cindy Jacobs of Generals International continued to spew their predictions about terrorism, natural disasters and economic turmoil on their show God Knows. Jacobs—who previously alleged that she helped avert bombings—revealed that she along with other prophets were having dreams in 2011 about a looming terrorist attack, and explains that their visions were confirmed by the events in Benghazi.

Mike Jacobs contended that there were even more terrorist plots, but that they had been thwarted by “the prayer cover that has been placed over the United States by various prayer groups and individuals praying.”

So why didn't their prayer's work to get Romney elected?

594 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:21:47am

re: #579 wrenchwench

Posted: Friday, November 9, 2012 8:38 am

Please tell me that a significant number of those are in Maricopa County, since the Justice Department wheels are being painstakingly slow regarding Sheriff Joe's impending arrest.

595 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:23:55am

re: #589 Lidane

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We need to start rationing popcorn. Today only posters with an even registration date get a bag.

596 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:23:59am

re: #591 ghazidor

Oh please let this get thru to the GOP, it would do so much good for this country.

Personally, I still think Rachel Maddow said it better in #437.

There needs to be a massive wake-up call on the right. They need to face reality and stop living in this Faux News/AM talk radio/RWNJ blog bubble and come back into the real world.

597 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:24:11am

re: #593 Kragar

They never think that God answers their prayers by saying"NO,you can't have that,no matter how much you tantrum".

598 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:24:25am

re: #588 Gus

Oh boy...

Coming from the ideology that blames Jimmy Carter, I find "it's always someone else's fault" especially funny. It's not "blaming Bush" to point out that his policies got us into a mess. Conversely, I've seen Obama and former president Clinton give Bush props on some issues. Can't see them doing the same to Carter, Clinton, and Obama.

599 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:24:33am

Hard to take Frum seriously considering he endorsed Romney three(!) days ago.

600 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:24:43am

Sweet jeebus:

WWZ

601 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:24:52am

re: #582 Decatur Deb

Image: WarrenImpeachSignPhotoMED.jpg

Yeah he was despised.

602 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:25:39am

re: #593 Kragar

Jacobs Claims to have Thwarted Numerous Terrorist Attacks

So why didn't their prayer's work to get Romney elected?

Didn't forsee that one coming.

603 Big Joe Ghazi  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:25:52am

I caught this Maddow gem earlier today. I think it's from last Friday.


Another report contradicts Republican dogma, GOP kills it.

Decisions based on bad data yield bad results.

604 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:26:51am

re: #586 Lidane

Oh ferrchrissakes....

I'd pay $100 to one of these knuckleheads to go into my old neighborhood, Greenpoint, with its big Polish immigrant population, and its various streets and squares named for Lech Walesa and Solidarity and Jerzy Popieluszko, and tell them that Obama is exactly the same as the Soviets. I'd love to see the reaction from the Polish locals.

605 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:28:54am

re: #604 Ian G.

Oh ferrchrissakes....

I'd pay $100 to one of these knuckleheads to go into my old neighborhood, Greenpoint, with its big Polish immigrant population, and its various streets and squares named for Lech Walesa and Solidarity and Jerzy Popieluszko, and tell them that Obama is exactly the same as the Soviets. I'd love to see the reaction from the Polish locals.

You know this is probably in part why Romney lost the Cuban Americans in Florida. Not sure if it was from his campaign directly or a SuperPAC but there was a Spanish language ad that aired in Florida that compared Obama to Castro, Che, and Chavez. Those immigrants know what a dictator is and many of them have lived under such a dictator and they know that Obama is not one even if they disagree with him.

606 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:30:10am

Malkin suggests impeachment for Obama’s ‘jihadi-coddling’

Conservative pundit Michelle Malkin on Thursday suggested that President Barack Obama could be punished with impeachment or other “constitutional provisions” for his administration’s “jihadi-coddling” in Libya.

Speaking to Fox News host Sean Hannity just two days after the president was elected to a second term, Malkin said that four Americans had died in Benghazi, Libya because Democrats had a “cynical elevation of their own political self interest above the national interest.”

“Thank goodness we’ve got watchdogs on Capitol Hill that will not rest on behalf these murdered Americans,” she explained. “And all we’re going to hear about is the whining from the Democrats about how it’s the Republicans who are politicizing national security, when it’s their bloody, dirty, corrupt M.O.”

607 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:30:22am

I like seeing the wingnuts saying that "this is Nazi Germany 1933-1934." Please if Obama was going to be a dictator, he would have done it already. Dictators don't waste time. By this time in Hitler's rule over Germany, all political opposition had been suppressed, the first concentration camps had been opened, and the Night of Long Knives had happened.

608 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:30:42am
Do you see anything in porn that attracts you?

-Creepy Old Guy

609 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:31:30am

re: #605 HappyBenghazi

...they know that Obama is not one even if they disagree with him.

It is my view that most people, except the totally stunted bigots, don't dislike Obama, even if they disagree with his policies. Which is why the sort of brain-dead attack ads they ran against him not only did not stick, they came back against the people who ran them.

610 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:32:35am

re: #604 Ian G.

re: #605 HappyBenghazi

More and more, America is becoming a land of people from all over that have very recently lived under actual tyrants and dictators. Republicans calling Obama those names falls completely flat with them. That there are any people at all in the USA that can take the phrase "Obama is a tyrant/Voting for Obama is voting for tyranny" as anything other than absurd comedy is an indictment of our failure, as a nation, to educate our populace. We are rapidly falling behind the rest of the world in educational rankings and it shows.

611 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:32:58am

Post election result racist Tweets map...

Image: Capture.PNG

612 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:33:11am

re: #606 Kragar

Malkin suggests impeachment for Obama’s ‘jihadi-coddling’

Sweet zombie Jeebus it's going to be a long four years.

What part of "Benghazi was an attack ON us, not a conspiracy BY us" is hard for these fuckwits to understand?

613 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:33:50am

re: #612 Lidane

Sweet zombie Jeebus it's going to be a long four years.

What part of "Benghazi was an attack ON us, not a conspiracy BY us" is hard for these fuckwits to understand?

BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!

614 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:34:29am
615 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:35:02am

So why weren't they equally angry at Bush who also had attacks on embassies when he was president?*
*I'm not blaming Bush but the double standard is glaring

616 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:35:38am

August 30th.

617 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:35:40am

re: #614 Gus

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Hey, what was it said about Romney and Ryan that the people who know them the best like them the least.

618 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:36:36am

There's something about the quoting of Ann Coulter that's still sticking in my craw. You know if someone like Dark is quoting her then the rot runs really deep.

If I were as disposed along a partisan mindset as she is here, I would not hope for the Republicans to open their minds on this issue. I'm not. I want them to open up. That's the fundamental difference.

But, why should liberals wish to see a party composed of people wanting to screw the Democrats at every opportunity improve and strengthen itself? What, are we supposed to feel altruistically predisposed towards helping Coulter's Republican party?

Talk about oblivious.

619 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:38:37am

Republicans ‘Test’ For Voting Fraud, Wind Up In Custody

In Nevada, 56-year-old Roxanne Rubin, a Republican, was arrested on Nov. 2 for allegedly trying to vote twice, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. The newspaper quoted a report by an investigator with the Nevada Secretary of State’s Office that said Rubin “was unhappy with the process; specifically in that her identification was not checked.”

Rubin allegedly voted at one polling location in Henderson, Nev. on Oct. 29 and then went to another voting location in Las Vegas to try to vote again. Poll workers told her records indicated she had already voted, but Rubin allegedly told them she hadn’t. A poll worker reportedly overheard Rubin tell another man that she had “signed my name differently, and they did not ask for ID.” She was arrested at the Riviera Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas and charged with a category “D” felony.

On Tuesday in New Mexico, a Republican poll watcher was taken into police custody after also apparently trying to test the system. According to the Las Cruces Sun-News, the man voted, then obtained a second provisional ballot and announced he was simply “testing the system to see if people could get away with voting twice.”

620 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:38:54am

re: #584 dragonath

That's a LOT of ballots. Enough to swing the (already called) Senate election there!

Apparently, only three Congressional races are considered too close to call at this point.

621 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:39:05am

re: #497 Dark_Falcon

By quoting Coulter, you're helping to spread her dangerous, stupid lies, like the one about 'partial-birth abortion'. Scaring women off from partial birth abortion is potentially fatal to them. Please, please stop doing it.

622 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:39:06am

re: #609 AK-47%

I think their insane and ridiculous concept of"this is what liberals think and do"hasn't helped them either. Most people know liberals,it's not like we're not all over the place,lol. They've created a mythical liberal and a mythical Obama that do not compute with reality. Unless you never leave the house or you're just a lost soul those myths aren't going to stand up to reality,especially the more ridiculous those myths become. 1/4 of the population will probably wallow in their misery forever,but the rest of us have better shit to do. Like make the country work better.

I've decided that I'm going to be paying more attention to my local wingnut elected officials and start calling them regularly when they do dumb shit. I have done it sporadically in the past,but I think it's time for all of us to start challenging this shit as often as possible. Give them headaches. They've earned the headaches.

623 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:39:16am

re: #611 Gus

Post election result racist Tweets map...

Image: Capture.PNG

Can you give a link back to the text? (i.e. location quotient)

624 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:39:44am

re: #619 Kragar

Republicans ‘Test’ For Voting Fraud, Wind Up In Custody

"Testing the system" sounds an awful like those who get busted for kiddie porn who claim that they were just "researching."

625 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:39:50am
626 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:39:52am

Coddling with Jihadists? You mean from the party of Iran-Contra brought to you by Saint Reagan? Or perhaps the Mujahideen we supported during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan?

627 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:40:07am

re: #611 Gus

I know it's not a representative sample of each state's population, but why am I not surprised that Mississippi and Alabama are leading in this dubious category?

Shame on Minnesota for that much racism, but then again, they must have some lunatics given that they sent Bachmann back to the House.

And good for Oklahoma, I guess, given that not a single county in that state went for Obama.

628 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:40:26am

re: #623 Decatur Deb

Can you give a link back to the text? (i.e. location quotient)

Congratulations! Florida Had the Least Racist Tweets After Obama's Reelection of Any Southern State

629 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:41:24am

re: #618 dragonath

But, why should liberals wish to see a party composed of people wanting to screw the Democrats at every opportunity improve and strengthen itself? What, are we supposed to feel altruistically predisposed towards helping Coulter's Republican party?

Talk about oblivious.

Because having two serious political parties is good for the country. Competition in the free market of ideas can produce working real world solutions that will benefit the country.
Politics based on hate, fear, victimization, personal smears, stupid soundbites and outrageous outrages does nothing to actually help the country find solutions.

630 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:42:34am

re: #611 Gus

Post election result racist Tweets map...

Image: Capture.PNG

re: #623 Decatur Deb

Can you give a link back to the text? (i.e. location quotient)

I posted the both the story and the Jezebel story that inspired their data collection on this upthread.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

631 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:42:59am

re: #627 Ian G.

Shame on Minnesota for that much racism, but then again, they must have some lunatics given that they sent Bachmann back to the House.

Minneapolis has a pretty large East African immigrant population that is not dramatically loved by a pretty wide swath of white residents. I don't know to what degree that would impact things, but it can't help.

632 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:43:12am

re: #630 RadicalModerate

re: #623 Decatur Deb

I posted the both the story and the Jezebel story that inspired their data collection on this upthread.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks.

633 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:43:30am

re: #618 dragonath

There's something about the quoting of Ann Coulter that's still sticking in my craw. You know if someone like Dark is quoting her then the rot runs really deep.

If I were as disposed along a partisan mindset as she is here, I would not hope for the Republicans to open their minds on this issue. I'm not. I want them to open up. That's the fundamental difference.

But, why should liberals wish to see a party composed of people wanting to screw the Democrats at every opportunity improve and strengthen itself? What, are we supposed to feel altruistically predisposed towards helping Coulter's Republican party?

Talk about oblivious.

I am not going to defend the GOP all in its current incarnation but we need two parties. It's healthy for a democracy to have reasonable discussion. I understand where you're coming from but I want the GOP to get into the 21st century with the rest of us. I want to know if I am going to have Republicans governing, representing, etc me that they're going to have sensible views.

634 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:43:44am

re: #626 Gus

Coddling with Jihadists? You mean from the party of Iran-Contra brought to you by Saint Reagan? Or perhaps the Mujahideen we supported during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan?

I found the GOP swerve to "Muslims are all evil" pretty funny since I remember the time when the only people who cared about human rights violations in Islamic countries were 'leftists'. Then all of a sudden the GOP got their Muslim hate on and were all terribly concerned.

635 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:44:09am
636 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:44:28am

I know I'm late to the discussion of Coulter, but I just want to chime in that no, parental and spousal consent laws are not in the slightest bit "reasonable." They're purpose-built to assign veto power to a person whose body isn't carrying a baby, is probably male, and won't be its primary caregiver. Also ugly is that there's usually a reason a woman doesn't include her husband in that intimate of a decision, so seeking "consent" outing her is putting her at risk. The most cited reason that women receive abortions under is having too many kids, not being able to afford another pregnancy and the child produced, and that their husband refuses to consider any other birth control option. The entire "slutty teens use it as contraception" meme is propaganda to make women who've used abortion services unsympathetic.

And partial-birth abortion is a drastic procedure never performed electively, so its bogeyman status on the right pretty much is another red flag that they don't care about the medical reasons the procedure exist (or how rare it is).

So basically, she's saying

Hey, drink only half the glass of stupid rhetorical anti-science and then fake that you're being reasonable person. And let's play-act that creating laws that make a woman's body the property of her husband or parents is reasonable, not bugfuck medieval patriarchial crazy. Also, the Supreme Court before Rehnquist didn't exist, and there aren't like, five or six precedents that make "reasonable" anti-abortion legislation un-constitutional.

637 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:45:49am

re: #629 Killgore Trout

Because having two serious political parties is good for the country. Competition in the free market of ideas can produce working real world solutions that will benefit the country.
Politics based on hate, fear, victimization, personal smears, stupid soundbites and outrageous outrages does nothing to actually help the country find solutions.

When you're talking about having a serious discussion about serious issues and moving this country forward and present this along with Ann Coulter one is already losing that debate.

638 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:46:21am

re: #634 Obdicut

I found the GOP swerve to "Muslims are all evil" pretty funny since I remember the time when the only people who cared about human rights violations in Islamic countries were 'leftists'. Then all of a sudden the GOP got their Muslim hate on and were all terribly concerned.

Yeah I've seen quotes from 1990's Republicans dismissing Clinton's concerns about Bin Laden. I think a lot of people forget that OBL was a FBI's most wanted before 9/11 happened for the embassy bombings in Africa.

639 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:46:22am

re: #637 Gus

When you're talking about having a serious discussion about serious issues and moving this country forward and present this along with Ann Coulter one is already losing that debate.

this.

640 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:46:37am

re: #619 Kragar

idiots

641 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:47:03am

re: #629 Killgore Trout

Politics based on hate, fear, victimization, personal smears, stupid soundbites and outrageous outrages does nothing to actually help the country find solutions.

What makes it even worse is that a lot of idiotic blowhards are so deep into their own pet theories that anyone who deviates at all from their idealism is to be rejected. Some people, for example, idiotically claim that Rachel Maddow is the same as Glenn Beck, despite the fact that Maddow is civil, does her research, and presents an actual argument. Yet those who are slaves to the magical balance fairy will insist over and over again, even though it convinces no one, that they're the same.

It's a shame. I wish people would use their critical faculties on themselves as often as they do their perceived enemies.

642 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:47:15am

Minn. pastor arrested for sexual assault during ‘ex-gay’ therapy

A Minnesota pastor has been arrested for sexually assaulting two gay men while counseling them about their “homosexual tendencies.”

Charging documents released this week indicated that 55-year-old Rev. Ryan J. Muehlhauser was accused of eight felony counts of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct on at least two men during sessions about how to “escape the gay lifestyle,” according to KARE.

Muehlhauser was a pastor at Lakeside Christian Church in Cambridge, but met the men through Outpost Ministries, which claims it was “formed over 30 years ago to meet the needs of men and women making the decision to break away from gay life.”

643 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:47:22am

This entire discussion is like throwing a ticker-tape parade for a clock broken at 11:47am.

What the hell?

644 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:47:26am

re: #633 HappyBenghazi

I am not going to defend the GOP all in its current incarnation but we need two parties. It's healthy for a democracy to have reasonable discussion. I understand where you're coming from but I want the GOP to get into the 21st century with the rest of us. I want to know if I am going to have Republicans governing, representing, etc me that they're going to have sensible views.

Well the road to improvement doesn't run through Coulter, that's for darn sure. Whatever moderates in the party need to organize themselves right now. The Democrats have the Blue Dogs, and the Republicans can't turn to the right forever.

645 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:47:54am

re: #636 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

I'm fully behind throwing the idea of spousal consent out the window, but why parental consent? Genuinely interested in hearing why that's a bad idea.

646 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:48:05am

re: #644 dragonath

Well the road to improvement doesn't run through Coulter, that's for darn sure. Whatever moderates in the party need to organize themselves right now. The Democrats have the Blue Dogs, and the Republicans can't turn to the right forever.

You've got no argument from me there. I despise the GOP in its current incarnation.

647 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:48:17am

re: #629 Killgore Trout

Because having two serious political parties is good for the country. Competition in the free market of ideas can produce working real world solutions that will benefit the country.
Politics based on hate, fear, victimization, personal smears, stupid soundbites and outrageous outrages does nothing to actually help the country find solutions.

If the Republican party was at all serious about changing its ideas to adapt to the modern realities of the real world, I could be on board with this sentiment. The problem, KT, is that the GOP is only interested in finding new ways to repackage the same ideas to basically trick low-info citizens into voting for them. See also: Cdesign proponetsists.

That's not healthy democracy, it's deceitful democracy.

648 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:48:18am

whatta day

I don't mind fixin' stuff. It's what I do

It's the reports I have to fill out on what/when/how/why it broke and what/when/how/why I fixeded it !!

649 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:49:41am

re: #629 Killgore Trout

Because having two serious political parties is good for the country. Competition in the free market of ideas can produce working real world solutions that will benefit the country.
Politics based on hate, fear, victimization, personal smears, stupid soundbites and outrageous outrages does nothing to actually help the country find solutions.

This is true.

What's also true is that Republicans are already showing signs of having not learned a fucking thing from the election, or the four years of obstructionism that resulted in the aforementioned ass-kicking.

I'm all for rational debate, but there's only one party that's made hate and fear their stock and trade, and it ain't Obama's group.

650 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:49:54am

Great video collection. Great, but bring some brain bleach.

651 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:49:57am

ruh roh ,, whatdid I walk in on!?!

{sigh}

May as well go back and fill out a few more reports!!

652 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:49:57am

re: #608 Four More Tears

-Creepy Old Guy

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Imagine that: human sexuality is a varied and nuanced as any other aspect of human personality. Attempts to categorize it or sterotype it are all going to fail because it is too subtle and mercurial for that.

653 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:50:19am

GOP keeps on shooting themselves in the foot though by nominating nutcases like Akin and Mourdock especially when you consider that Mourdock was replacing one of the better Republican senators left.

654 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:50:50am

Romney was a WEAK AND MODERATE REPUBLICAN...

That's why he lost!

Derp.

655 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:51:31am

re: #651 sattv4u2

ruh roh ,, whatdid I walk in on!?!

{sigh}

May as well go back and fill out a few more reports!!

Apparently, Ann Coulter is one of the serious pundits now, explaining that the GOP needs to stop alienating minority groups.

656 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:51:32am

re: #645 Four More Tears

I'm fully behind throwing the idea of spousal consent out the window, but why parental consent? Genuinely interested in hearing why that's a bad idea.

Very simple, there are many, many cases where parents have either physically assaulted and/or thrown their minor children out of their homes for the unforgivable sin of pre-marital sex.

It still happens, even today.

657 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:52:23am

Instead of getting rid of people like Dick Lugar, the Republican Party should be looking for more people like him but no we're living in age where to the Republican Party, where to be reasonably conservative is not enough. You have to saying their idea of bipartisanship is the Democrats doing what they want. Meanwhile, I see the Democrats offering people up like Joe Donnelly and Tim Kaine. People who like to work for solutions. Is it any wonder why the Democrats win overwhelmingly with self described moderates?

658 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:53:41am

re: #655 Mattand

Apparently, Ann Coulter is one of the serious pundits now, explaining that the GOP needs to stop alienating minority groups.

I know I just came in, (and no, I'm not going back and reading the entire convo up to then) but isn't that what many here have been saying for a long time!?!?!

659 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:53:45am

Apparently Allen West ain't getting his recount.

Please let the door hit your ass repeatedly on the way out, you fucking disgrace.

660 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:53:57am

re: #642 Kragar

Minn. pastor arrested for sexual assault during ‘ex-gay’ therapy

There is nothing sadder and more pathetic than a conflicted, self-loathing homosexual. And often nothing more dangerous.

This is often part of a self-generating cycle. I wonder how this sorry old pervert came to hate himself for being who he is and for having the desires that he cannot repress.

This does not diminishy my sympathy for his victims or the need to see him (and those who enabled or protected him) held responsible for his actions.

661 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:53:58am

re: #645 Four More Tears

Sadly there are parents out there that would disown a daughter who came home and said she was pregnant. There are others that would force her to keep the baby. Others that would beat the shit out of her and there are others who sexually abuse their children. It would be nice if every pregnant teen had compassionate family support,but that's not the reality.

662 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:54:15am

re: #656 RadicalModerate

Very simple, there are many, many cases where parents have either physically assaulted and/or thrown their minor children out of their homes for the unforgivable sin of pre-marital sex.

It still happens, even today.

Or the father of the pregnant girl could be the father of her pregnancy, too. It happens.

663 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:54:18am

Top Republicans Suddenly Back Immigration Reform After Latinos Overwhelmingly Back Obama

When Democrats tried to get the DREAM Act and a path to citizenship for young undocumented immigrants through Congress in 2010, Republicans blocked the immigration reform measure in the Senate. But after a campaign in which GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney staked out harsh anti-immigration positions, and with President Obama winning 75 percent of Latino voters, several key leaders in the Republican party are coming out in favor of immigration reform:

664 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:54:53am

re: #658 sattv4u2

I know I just came in, (and no, I'm not going back and reading the entire convo up to then) but isn't that what many here have been saying for a long time!?!?!

I think people are saying that Coulter really isn't the best person to offer that advice considering her own history.

665 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:55:21am

re: #647 GunstarGreen

If the Republican party was at all serious about changing its ideas to adapt to the modern realities of the real world, I could be on board with this sentiment. The problem, KT, is that the GOP is only interested in finding new ways to repackage the same ideas to basically trick low-info citizens into voting for them. See also: Cdesign proponetsists.

That's not healthy democracy, it's deceitful democracy.

I don't disagree with that. Thinking back to the "debate" about healthcare reform is a good example: Republicans brought nothing to the table aside from easily debunked bullshit. They could have held Obama's feet to the fire to improve healthcare reform and make it more effective but they just wanted to stonewall and obstruct. They could have played an important role by presenting viable alternatives or improving the Dem plan. They chose not to. HCR was passed without any sensible national debate or discussion. That's a shame. Same goes for the upcoming budget/deficit talks. We have serious problems that need serious debate. It's not going to happen.

666 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:55:51am

re: #664 HappyBenghazi

I think people are saying that Coulter really isn't the best person to offer that advice considering her own history.

13 hours ago.

667 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:56:04am

re: #664 HappyBenghazi

I think people are saying that Coulter really isn't the best person to offer that advice considering her own history.

She was saying a few things that were slightly less batshit crazy than other GOp luminaries. It is worth noting in any case, but still not worth much.

668 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:56:21am

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

In 1976 and 1992, the incumbent Republican faced a primary challenge, as did Carter in 1980. That is why I used the phrase "an incumbent president who did not face at least a notable challenge".

a primary challenger is a symptom of vulnerability, not a cause

the fact is that from the 20s onward, eisenhower was the only republican president who did not leave the economy weaker when they left office than when they came in, and that's why so many of them were one term presidents

669 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:56:30am

Lets just say a healthy opposition doesn't threaten to shut down the government and skirt dangerously close to a fiscal cliff. Hey, I'm all for a government that doesn't work by personal vendetta.

670 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:56:40am

re: #663 Kragar

Top Republicans Suddenly Back Immigration Reform After Latinos Overwhelmingly Back Obama

Whatever. Get it passed. I do like how Hannity claims he "evolved." No, Sean, you evolve by thinking about something over time and that's when you "evolve." But hey if they get the DREAM ACT signed into the law, I'm stoked.

671 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:57:25am

re: #658 sattv4u2

I know I just came in, (and no, I'm not going back and reading the entire convo up to then) but isn't that what many here have been saying for a long time!?!?!

She actually wrote an editorial to that effect, either today or yesterday. Kinda like Godzilla reading Gamera the riot act for stomping on Tokyo.

672 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:57:27am

Coulter is such a vicious hateful nutter that the proper post really would have been this.

Apparently even Ann freaking Coulter now realizes that the GOP has a demographic problem. I'd link it but she doesn't need the pageviews I don't have enough bleach for Charles' poor server.

673 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:57:37am

re: #664 HappyBenghazi

I think people are saying that Coulter really isn't the best person to offer that advice considering her own history.

Thanks. Now I'm up to speed (well, as up to speed as I get)

Oh, and BTW ,,, could you (and others) please consider losing the "Bengahzi" (or derivative of) thing. I know the intent, but 4 people were killed! 4 Americans, for no other reasons than they A) were there and B) were Americans

674 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:57:51am

re: #668 engineer cat

a primary challenger is a symptom of vulnerability, not a cause

the fact is that from the 20s onward, eisenhower was the only republican president who did not leave the economy weaker when they left office than when they came in, and that's why so many of them were one term presidents

Also only Republican President (that I can remember) to take stand against Military Industrial Complex.

675 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:57:55am

re: #666 Gus

13 hours ago.

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Yeah, I can't and won't ever take Ann Coulter seriously on policy ever. Hell even Jonah Goldberg I think called her out once for being intellectually dishonest.

676 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:58:03am

re: #492 lawhawk

Santorum. He's the next one, just as Romney was a lock this time around.

I'm still certain that we're going to see Cthulhu/Zod in 2016 (for both parties). /

if santorum is the nominee, i don't see him as much of a challenge for the democrat

677 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 10:59:42am

re: #673 sattv4u2

Thanks. Now I'm up to speed (well, as up to speed as I get)

Oh, and BTW ,,, could you (and others) please consider losing the "Bengahzi" (or derivative of) thing. I know the intent, but 4 people were killed! 4 Americans, for no other reasons than they A) were there and B) were Americans

Done.

678 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:00:07am

re: #677 HappyWarrior

Done.

:)

679 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:00:12am

re: #673 sattv4u2

Thanks. Now I'm up to speed (well, as up to speed as I get)

Oh, and BTW ,,, could you (and others) please consider losing the "Bengahzi" (or derivative of) thing. I know the intent, but 4 people were killed! 4 Americans, for no other reasons than they A) were there and B) were Americans

It is the name of a Libyan city. Bad stuff happened there, but nobody here is making fun of what happened. Their making fun of people who tried to take out Obama by lying about it.

680 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:00:26am

re: #673 sattv4u2

Thanks. Now I'm up to speed (well, as up to speed as I get)

Oh, and BTW ,,, could you (and others) please consider losing the "Bengahzi" (or derivative of) thing. I know the intent, but 4 people were killed! 4 Americans, for no other reasons than they A) were there and B) were Americans

I'm sure they'll disappear once conservatives and Fox News stop trying to push it as something that Obama stood by and let happen.

681 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:00:33am

re: #676 engineer cat

if santorum is the nominee, i don't see him as much of a challenge for the democrat

////I think you may be acting a bit rash there. Before we come to any conclusions we should do some online research to see what people have to say about Santorum....

682 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:00:42am

re: #673 sattv4u2

Thanks. Now I'm up to speed (well, as up to speed as I get)

Oh, and BTW ,,, could you (and others) please consider losing the "Bengahzi" (or derivative of) thing. I know the intent, but 4 people were killed! 4 Americans, for no other reasons than they A) were there and B) were Americans

Only if you crash a satellite for us!

683 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:00:44am

re: #673 sattv4u2

Thanks. Now I'm up to speed (well, as up to speed as I get)

Oh, and BTW ,,, could you (and others) please consider losing the "Bengahzi" (or derivative of) thing. I know the intent, but 4 people were killed! 4 Americans, for no other reasons than they A) were there and B) were Americans

........Yeah, Imma upding that.

684 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:00:53am

re: #671 Mattand

She actually wrote an editorial to that effect, either today or yesterday. Kinda like Godzilla reading Gamera the riot act for stomping on Tokyo.

But Gamera is friend to all children...

685 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:01:28am

re: #684 Kragar

But Gamera is friend to all children...

He is filled with turtle meat.

686 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:01:52am

re: #679 wrenchwench

It is the name of a Libyan city. Bad stuff happened there, but nobody here is making fun of what happened. Their making fun of people who tried to take out Obama by lying about it.

I know what it is, and I know the intent here (as stated). Just kinda sits wrong with me

Those that have it in their names can take my "sit" with as many grains of salt as they care. I asked politely, they can or cannot comply

687 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:01:53am

re: #656 RadicalModerate

Very simple, there are many, many cases where parents have either physically assaulted and/or thrown their minor children out of their homes for the unforgivable sin of pre-marital sex.

It still happens, even today.

re: #661 A Mom Anon

Sadly there are parents out there that would disown a daughter who came home and said she was pregnant. There are others that would force her to keep the baby. Others that would beat the shit out of her and there are others who sexually abuse their children. It would be nice if every pregnant teen had compassionate family support,but that's not the reality.

Thanks for the responses, guys. Still trying to reconcile this in my head with what I think a parent's rights are.

688 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:02:40am

re: #683 erik_t

........Yeah, Imma upding that.

Wasn't going for that, but thanks

689 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:02:40am

re: #631 erik_t

Minneapolis has a pretty large East African immigrant population that is not dramatically loved by a pretty wide swath of white residents. I don't know to what degree that would impact things, but it can't help.

East African immigrants in Minneapolis? Wow, could you pick a more different climate from East Africa than Minnesota? I'm guessing January is just a tad bit more mild in Nairobi than in Minneapolis.

690 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:02:49am

re: #672 erik_t

Coulter is such a vicious hateful nutter that the proper post really would have been this.

Republicans are clueless. They see there loss as a "demographic problem" and then responds with "but we have people in your demographic" who turns out to be just another wingnut with a, for example, Spanish surname. It's more than demographics "it's the policy stupid" as I said last night. They just don't get it.

691 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:03:02am

re: #680 Mattand

I'm sure they'll disappear once conservatives and Fox News stop trying to push it as something that Obama stood by and let happen.

I'm sure there are other creative ways it can be done

692 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:03:27am

re: #685 Mattand

He is filled with turtle meat.

693 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:03:37am

re: #670 HappyBenghazi

Whatever. Get it passed. I do like how Hannity claims he "evolved." No, Sean, you evolve by thinking about something over time and that's when you "evolve." But hey if they get the DREAM ACT signed into the law, I'm stoked.

That's a positive development, even if their arm got metaphorically twisted by the electorate, despite whatever Weasel Zippers will say.

Too bad their presidential candidate had a guy like Kris Kobach as an adviser. I'd like to see them follow through, but we all know what happened last time.

694 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:04:45am

re: #690 Gus

Republicans are clueless. They see there loss as a "demographic problem" and then responds with "but we have people in your demographic" who turns out to be just another wingnut with a, for example, Spanish surname. It's more than demographics "it's the policy stupid" as I said last night. They just don't get it.

"We've got Allen West. We've got Herman Cain. We've got Marco Rubio. How dare you say we don't have any minorities?"

695 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:05:00am

re: #657 HappyBenghazi

Instead of getting rid of people like Dick Lugar, the Republican Party should be looking for more people like him but no we're living in age where to the Republican Party, where to be reasonably conservative is not enough. You have to saying their idea of bipartisanship is the Democrats doing what they want. Meanwhile, I see the Democrats offering people up like Joe Donnelly and Tim Kaine. People who like to work for solutions. Is it any wonder why the Democrats win overwhelmingly with self described moderates?

There's a direct path as to why this is happening.
During the 1980s and 1990s, there was a concerted effort by the Religious Right, and by the extremist wing of conservatives to cultivate their own people, at the college level. There were groups like the Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition, the Young Conservatives, and the Leadership Institute (whose ties to white nationalism are well-documented) flooding college campuses to bring people to their mindset.

696 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:05:33am
697 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:06:02am

re: #682 Varek Raith

Only if you crash a satellite for us!

Give me your longitude and latitude

Wouldn't want it to fall on innocents!!

698 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:06:04am

re: #693 dragonath

That's a positive development, even if their arm got metaphorically twisted by the electorate, despite whatever Weasel Zippers will say.

Too bad their presidential candidate had a guy like Kris Kobach as an adviser. I'd like to see them follow through, but we all know what happened last time.

I think they're under a lot of pressure to pass it. They know the reality now since it hit them in the face on Tuesday. Of course Boehner can say all he wants but it will be getting enough of the rank and file on to it that will be the key. I'll be more optimistic though if Cantor says something positive since Cantor has more sway with them than Boehner does.

699 Mattand  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:06:16am

re: #691 sattv4u2

I'm sure there are other creative ways it can be done

Maybe. I get what you're saying about it. Still, I have a bigger problem with conservatives using the deaths of 4 Americans as another political bludgeon on Obama.

700 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:06:22am

Well, I guess I'll drop the Benghazi thing on the GOP.
:)

701 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:06:38am
702 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:06:42am

I think, episodes like this really do show how top heavy, in the policy sense, the Republican party really is.

703 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:07:23am

re: #699 Mattand

Maybe. I get what you're saying about it. Still, I have a bigger problem with conservatives using the deaths of 4 Americans as another political bludgeon on Obama.

Well, I have a bigger problem with the deaths of 4 Americans, period

What/ how others play it offends me, no matter how/who/why/where

704 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:08:08am

How about some more wingnut tears ("of blood") and impotent rage to lighten the mood a little?...

Nugent Rage

705 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:08:16am

re: #701 Four More Tears

Comedy gold.

Australia Pwns Georgia Republican Teen on Twitter

It's funny how she got everything wrong about Julia Gillard from her position, gender, and religious beliefs or in Prime Minister Gillard's case lack of religious beliefs. I mean if you're gonna be threatening to move somewhere, research it!

706 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:09:00am

re: #700 Varek Raith

Well, I guess I'll drop the Benghazi thing on the GOP.
:)

707 sattv4u2  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:09:06am

Ah well

Back to the fun world of Trouble Reports!!

708 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:09:43am

re: #695 RadicalModerate

There's a direct path as to why this is happening.
During the 1980s and 1990s, there was a concerted effort by the Religious Right, and by the extremist wing of conservatives to cultivate their own people, at the college level. There were groups like the Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition, the Young Conservatives, and the Leadership Institute (whose ties to white nationalism are well-documented) flooding college campuses to bring people to their mindset.

And a move to insinuate their people into all levels of government, education and administration. Look what they have accomplished in places like Texas, Tennessee and Kansas with the boards of education...

709 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:10:16am

re: #706 Gus

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What a piece of shit.

710 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:10:25am

re: #706 Gus

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How does she know he didn't? Considering that Stevens was a personal friend of his. Malkin can fuck off. She doesn't give a shit about those four people who died. She cares about her hatred of Obama.

711 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:10:51am

re: #704 ghazidor

How about some more wingnut tears ("of blood") and impotent rage to lighten the mood a little?...

Nugent Rage

Nugent: Dead, in jail, or shit talking pussy. America is waiting.

712 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:11:01am

re: #695 RadicalModerate

There's a direct path as to why this is happening.
During the 1980s and 1990s, there was a concerted effort by the Religious Right, and by the extremist wing of conservatives to cultivate their own people, at the college level. There were groups like the Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition, the Young Conservatives, and the Leadership Institute (whose ties to white nationalism are well-documented) flooding college campuses to bring people to their mindset.

Robertson of course also has his own law school that my "lovely" governor is a graduate of.

713 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:11:15am

Still, I'm done with it.
If the GOP wants to continue to flail at it they can knock themselves out.

714 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:12:43am

re: #689 Ian G.

East African immigrants in Minneapolis? Wow, could you pick a more different climate from East Africa than Minnesota? I'm guessing January is just a tad bit more mild in Nairobi than in Minneapolis.

And St. Paul has a big community of Hmong, from Cambodia or thereabouts.

Tide goes in, tide goes out, you can't explain that.

716 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:13:10am

re: #712 HappyWarrior

Robertson of course also has his own law school that my "lovely" governor is a graduate of.

Didn't Michelle Bachmann also attend? Or was she Oral Roberts U?

717 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:13:18am
718 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:13:45am

re: #711 Kragar

Nugent: Dead, in jail, or shit talking pussy. America is waiting.

Defying the government the same way he did during Vietnam: not bathing and periodically shitting himself.

719 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:13:52am

re: #696 Varek Raith

After attack on U.S. drone, Iran backs right to defend territory
Two SU-25s couldn't shoot down a drone.

Not surprising. They were probably guns-only, the pilots would not be trained for air-to-air (Su-25 is their A-10 equivalent, more or less), and lots of WW2 experience showed that shooting down a small aircraft much slower than yours is much harder than one would expect.

720 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:13:57am

re: #706 Gus

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Michelle, don't you have a VDARE article to write in response to the election?

722 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:15:13am

re: #719 erik_t

Not surprising. They were probably guns-only, the pilots would not be trained for air-to-air (Su-25 is their A-10 equivalent, more or less), and lots of WW2 experience showed that shooting down a small aircraft much slower than yours is much harder than one would expect.

So they sent ground attack craft after a drone that they likely had no chance of shooting down.
Optics then. Pure PR stunt.

723 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:15:42am

re: #717 Kragar

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Poor Fischer. He's going to be pissed the second Boehner and McConnell slightly compromise with Obama.

724 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:16:17am

re: #722 Varek Raith

So they sent ground attack craft after a drone that they likely had no chance of shooting down.
Optics then. Pure PR stunt.

And probably in-country optics, not international ones.

725 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:16:35am

And if Reid changes the rules...

726 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:16:36am

re: #722 Varek Raith

So they sent ground attack craft after a drone that they likely had no chance of shooting down.
Optics then. Pure PR stunt.

Nah, it had a chance. It just didn't work.

CNN, of course, calls them 'fighter jets'. Never change, CNN.

727 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:16:42am

re: #724 The Ghost of a Flea

And probably in-country optics, not international ones.

Yes, that.

728 engineer cat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:16:57am

Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischer

GOP has majority in House, can filibuster in Senate. Their agenda to save America is simple: obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

illogical troll is illogical


btw, the republican majority in the house is a gerrymander majority - it seems that if you take the total national vote for house seats, there were more votes for democrats total than for republicans, and we are just past the pit of the great recession and this was the republicans best shot

729 Varek Raith  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:17:44am

Well, that's what I get for not knowing much about SU series jets.
Why u no send MiGs Iran?!
XD

730 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:19:08am

Fox News Contributor Compares President Obama’s Second Term Agenda To The Nazis

During a panel discussion this afternoon on Fox News’ program Happening Now, network contributor Cal Thomas hijacked a discussion about the media’s coverage of the presidential election by invoking a Nazi comparison to describe President Obama’s second-term agenda.

THOMAS: But look, about that Newsweek cover, if that’s Napoleon, people who know anything history know about Waterloo. Napoleon’s problem was he was overextended in Russia like so many other advancing systems, the Nazis being just another one of them. I think if Obama takes this as a mandate to complete the restructuring of America, he is sadly mistaken.

731 JamesWI  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:20:13am
733 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:21:41am

re: #729 Varek Raith

Well, that's what I get for not knowing much about SU series jets.
Why u no send MiGs Iran?!
XD

My vote is Ilyushin.

Nose like a double-barreled shotgun and tiny wing bomb bays? Sign me up!

734 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:22:19am

!

735 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:22:33am

NOM’s Victim Spokesperson Calls President Obama The ‘Terrorist-In-Chief’

You live in the freest country ever known to mankind. As the anthem states, America is the land of the free but freedom comes with bravery, not running and hiding. Your job is to stay. And fight. For the battle is still ongoing.

You leave, the terrorists win. And heck, isn’t that what the Terrorist-in-Chief wants, anyway?

Now, excuse me while I go back to funding the slaughter of innocent life in the womb through my tax dollars.

736 A Mom Anon  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:22:41am

re: #687 Four More Tears

I can understand that,but again,it's the teenage girl who's life is going to be changed by this pregnancy,and ultimately she should have options in the event that her family is unable or unwilling to be there for her. I think if a parent is going to be hateful or abusive their parental rights should be secondary at best. It is a tricky thing to navigate,but I think we should trust the potential future mom to make a choice based on her own life and circumstances. If not,then how could we say with a straight face she should also be a mom?

737 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:24:01am

re: #734 Four More Tears

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I'll bet it's the Hispanic Mormons that he lost.

738 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:24:20am

At risk of irony-The GOP needs what their fundies call a "come to jesus" moment. That would be the moment they throw the fundies and TP types under the bus.

I found this article about the old GOP, before the hard right swing

SNIP

Labor unions are a top target of Republican disdain these days, with Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) elevated to conservative hero status after taking on public employee unions' collective bargaining rights in his state last year.

The 2012 Republican Party platform shows little love for the labor community, railing against "concentrating power in the Washington offices of union elites" and objecting to labor cornerstones like the Davis-Bacon Act and the ability of unions to automatically collect dues from workers' paychecks.

Compare that position to the one held by the Republican Party in 1956: "The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration."

In 1960, the GOP platform expressed the belief that the interests of labor and management were best reconciled in a "climate of free collective bargaining." Republicans also boasted of achieving "[u]pward revision in amount and extended coverage of the minimum wage to several million more workers" and "[s]trengthening the unemployment insurance system and extension of its benefits."

739 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:24:31am

re: #673 sattv4u2

Thanks. Now I'm up to speed (well, as up to speed as I get)

Oh, and BTW ,,, could you (and others) please consider losing the "Bengahzi" (or derivative of) thing. I know the intent, but 4 people were killed! 4 Americans, for no other reasons than they A) were there and B) were Americans

Yes, 4 Americans were killed, and before the bloodstains had even dried conservatives, including the Republican candidate for president, were making up lies about what happened in order to use their corpses as a bludgeon against the president. Have you spent much time taking them to task for their use of Benghazi? Tell you what, focus on that for a while, and then maybe you can get around to criticizing fraking usernames without it being eyerollingly absurd.

740 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:24:48am

re: #733 erik_t

My vote is Ilyushin.

Nose like a double-barreled shotgun and tiny wing bomb bays? Sign me up!

Remember the the big hit album by Russian rock legends Guns 'n' Rostov, "Use Your Ilyushin"?

741 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:27:08am

re: #730 Kragar

Fox News Contributor Compares President Obama’s Second Term Agenda To The Nazis

Speaking of Leadership Institute bigots... here we get a visit to FoxNews from the Keynote Speaker of their latest conference, Cal Thomas - former frontman for Jerry Falwell's "Moral Majority".

[Link: www.leadershipinstitute.org...]

742 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:29:36am

re: #730 Kragar

Fox News Contributor Compares President Obama’s Second Term Agenda To The Nazis

Stupid, but not a Godwin.

The entire "Napoleon" analysis is clearly from someone that hasn't read any damn history, or he wouldn't be mixing Waterloo and the Russia campaign into one hashed metaphor. In fact, invoking Waterloo in general is a bad idea, since it's the single most analyzed battle in the world, helped along by the incredibly rich first-hand information available.

Also funny...who's The Russian Army in this context? Republicans? The people of America? They're going to destroy their own infrastructure and meat-grinder their troops to stop Obama (who isn't a foreign invader)?

As I said, stupid metaphor.

743 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:30:40am

re: #740 AK-47%

Comrade, I'll be in a coma before there will be Chinese Democracy. /

744 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:38:57am

re: #619 Kragar

Republicans ‘Test’ For Voting Fraud, Wind Up In Custody

Good excuse guys, and now you are felons and depending on where you live you may never get to vote again. Fucking idiots.

745 Joanne  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 11:53:14am

re: #614 Gus

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Not just where the GM plant was, but Paul Ryan's home district. Ouch.

746 Joanne  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:00:41pm

re: #659 erik_t

Apparently Allen West ain't getting his recount.

Please let the door hit your ass repeatedly on the way out, you fucking disgrace.

Well, this is the best news I have heard all day.

747 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:04:44pm

re: #611 Gus

Not shocked by the most racist states. Or that Utah is one of them.


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