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In Which Steven Crowder Works Really Hard at Getting Punched in the Face

Breitbart clowns stage another wingnut stunt
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So, useless right wing pseudo-comedian Steven Crowder waded into the demonstration outside the Michigan Capitol yesterday, and started goading the already pissed off union members who had just seen their livelihood stripped away by a dishonest bunch of Republican 1 percenters, spewing anti-union talking points at them and trying to get someone to take a swing at him.

To no one’s surprise, Crowder got what he wanted, and of course he had someone there to record it all: Steven Crowder, Fox News Contributor, Punched During Right-to-Work Protests.

And it was coordinated with Fox News, for maximum propaganda effect:

Naturally, the entire right wing blogosphere is shrieking in unison about “violent union thugs” today. I have to say, this wingnut stunt did take an enormous amount of … what do you call it? Bravery? No. Stupidity? Not exactly. Balls? Not really.

He’s lucky he got out of the crowd alive. I absolutely do not condone the union member who punched Crowder in the face, if it really was a union member. But in the words of Chris Rock, I understand.

Related:
Video: Steven Crowder’s Racist Rap at CPAC

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102 comments

1 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:51:26am

You keep calling people thugs well, you get what you ask for. I'm surprised it's been as peaceful as it's been, you know considering assholes are passing laws in the dark with no compromise. Lying about it even. Take food out of the mouth of my family, see how happy I get.

2 nines09  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:53:31am

When you go looking to get punched in the mouth, it usually happens. The guy is a total dick and found just what he wanted. Some folks deserve a punch in the mouth. He's one of them.

3 Destro  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:54:20am

There were a few incident where paid right wing version of Pinkertons (Breitbart operatives?) attempted to start a fight with the Occupy demonstrators so they can use that against them or was it they pretended to be Occupy and tried to create a riot? or both.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:54:42am

This will be the tactic of rabblerousers for the rest of this Administration: to threaten and provoke acts of violence, and when they result in acts of retaliation - jutified or not - those acts will be held up as proof of union/government thuggery.

5 erik_t  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:56:00am

The union thug felt threatened and was just standing his ground.

/

6 Destro  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:56:20am

He’s lucky he got out of the crowd alive. I absolutely do not condone the union member who got fed up and punched Crowder in the face, if it really was a union member. But in the words of Chris Rock, I understand.

I totally condone it.

7 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:57:17am

It doesn't matter if there is thuggery or not. The marches in Madison with 100k plus for a month were completely peaceful. Doesn't stop the right wingers on the airwaves 24/7 for the last year calling teachers in Wisconsin thugs. Facts do not matter. They will call union members thugs no matter what.

8 Archangelus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:58:16am

I do not condone him getting punched in the face.
Kicked in the nads, on the other hand, I support wholeheartedly when it comes to shmucks like this...

9 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:58:33am

You don't start shit, there won't be shit.

Walking into that crowd and acting like that was definitely starting shit.

10 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 10:59:49am

re: #5 erik_t

The union thug felt threatened and was just standing his ground.

/

Brilliant. The 'stand my ground' defence.

11 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:01:13am

I do not condone anyone getting the crap kicked out of them, even if they totally brought it on themselves.

That said, he didn't get any crap kicked out of him even though he was begging for it.

12 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:01:24am

Fischer: New Theory Suggests 'Homosexuality is the Result of a Birth Defect'

Yesterday it was reported that a group of scientists had put forward a new theory that epigenetic marks may play a key role in determining why people are gay. According to press reports, these "epi-marks" determine how genes are expressed and are normally "erased" between generations, but in cases where they are not erased, they may be passed on from a mother or father in a way that can lead to a child becoming gay.

Which means, according to Bryan Fischer, that homosexuality might be a "birth defect" which could lead prospective parents to choose abortion:

The only people who would call it a birth defect are the same assholes who listen to Bryan Fischer.

13 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:02:11am

OT but wanted to say this quick:

The whole PSY controversy is so dumb for the simple reason that he is NOT AMERICAN.

What do I mean by that? I mean that people who are NOT American have no duty or obligation to be pro-American. They are allowed to not like our country. I don't blame PSY for being pissed off. That whole incident was a mess.

I, for example, attended an anti-George Bush/Iraq War rally in Canada in 2003. If I ran for office here upon attaining citizenship, would I be attacked for my previous "unamerican" activities, when, at the time, I was nothing close to being American?

14 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:02:24am
15 krypto  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:02:59am

When I looked at the videos posted yesterday by Fox, I remember seeing the sequence appear to start with the old union guy already on the ground, presumably having already been pushed or punched, and getting up to punch out Fox reporter/comedian Crowder. The currently posted Fox sequence is edited differently, to cut out that part showing the union guy initially getting up.

All the posted Fox videos of this are collections of selected and cropped video snippets, not a continuous sequence of unedited video.

And we've all seen how Fox routinely does stuff like cropping out "you didn't build that" from the middle of a sentence to hide the "roads and infrastructure" that "that" refers to.

Did someone else also see the earlier Fox videos to confirm that I saw what I thought I saw in them?

16 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:05:04am

re: #12 Kragar

Fischer: New Theory Suggests 'Homosexuality is the Result of a Birth Defect'

The only people who would call it a birth defect are the same assholes who listen to Bryan Fischer.

Don't get his point, if it's a "birth defect" then it means God put it there when the child was conceived...

17 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:05:15am

Planned incitement. Crowder and AFP deliberately set up this tent to instigate a situation to get on camera. Peoples lives will be affected by this legislation. Families will be impacted with mortgage payments, health, education and variety of other negative impacts in the future. Those are the real tragedies here and not some right-wing idiot. I don't give a rats ass about what happened to Crowder and he can go fuck himself along with the horse he rode on.

18 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:05:21am

re: #12 Kragar

Fischer: New Theory Suggests 'Homosexuality is the Result of a Birth Defect'

The only people who would call it a birth defect are the same assholes who listen to Bryan Fischer.

I can honestly say I don't think I've ever actually hated anyone in my life.

Every time I read one of that horse's ass tweets it tests that theory.

19 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:05:41am

re: #16 Sol Berdinowitz

Don't get his point, if it's a "birth defect" then it means God put it there when the child was conceived...

It was God's Will...

20 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:06:08am

re: #17 Gus

Planned incitement. Crowder and AFP deliberately set up this tent to instigate a situation to get on camera. Peoples lives will be affected by this legislation. Families will be impacted with mortgage payments, health, education and variety of other negative impacts in the future. Those are the real tragedies here and not some right-wing idiot. I don't give a rats ass about what happened to Crowder and he can go fuck himself along with the horse he rode on.

But think of the hot dogs!
/// ;p

21 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:06:33am

And for those that argued this morning about them having a right to set their tent up there. Then I imagine you're OK with the Christian apologists that show up at the Dearborn Muslim festivals and trying to stir shit there too.

22 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:07:15am

re: #21 Gus

And for those that argued this morning about them having a right to set their tent up there. Then I imagine you're OK with the Christian apologists that show up at the Dearborn Muslim festivals and trying to stir shit there too.

And the Phelps kooks.

23 Obdicut  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:07:17am

And what the cops have to say about the protesters:

"We have not made any arrests at all," [Lt. Mike Shaw] said. "The crowd has been more than fine. They've been obeying with the fire marshall says (in terms of building capacity). People have been coming in and out of the Capitol exercising their constitutional rights. We've been perfectly fine with them -- just that one small incident."

24 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:07:32am

re: #14 lawhawk

A “right to work” law isn’t about economic development or “freedom.” It’s about increasing the power of corporations.

As much as I admire America for our traditions of self-reliance and individual initiative, I do not see how we can realistically expect individuals and families with limited resources to be in a position to negotiate on equal terms with multi-billion-dollar international corporations for terms of employment, health care or financial services.

25 Destro  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:08:24am

re: #24 Sol Berdinowitz

As much as I admire America for our traditions of self-reliance and individual initiative, I do not see how we can realistically expect individuals and families with limited resources to be in a position to negotiate on equal terms with multi-billion-dollar international corporations for terms of employment, health care or financial services.

Trickle down means it will all happen magically by itself.

26 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:09:47am

re: #15 krypto

When I looked at the videos posted yesterday by Fox, I remember seeing the sequence appear to start with the old union guy already on the ground, presumably having already been pushed or punched, and getting up to punch out Fox reporter/comedian Crowder. The currently posted Fox sequence is edited differently, to cut out that part showing the union guy initially getting up.

All the posted Fox videos of this are collections of selected and cropped video snippets, not a continuous sequence of unedited video.

And we've all seen how Fox routinely does stuff like cropping out "you didn't build that" from the middle of a sentence to hide the "roads and infrastructure" that "that" refers to.

Did someone else also see the earlier Fox videos to confirm that I saw what I thought I saw in them?

I can't view videos, but I did just look at the Fox News website, and they claim the guy who hit Crowder had just tripped over a tent stake and was getting up from that when he hit him.

27 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:12:58am

re: #21 Gus

Imagine setting up next to a Christmas "holiday" display on Christmas day, stand there and tell all the Christians who come by how stupid and corrupt they are etc.?

28 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:13:06am

Don't forget, this is the same crowd that floats the $1 an hour minimum wage trial balloon, so anything they say regarding "making families stronger" is a flat-out lie.

29 b_sharp  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:14:39am

re: #26 wrenchwench

I can't view videos, but I did just look at the Fox News website, and they claim the guy who hit Crowder had just tripped over a tent stake and was getting up from that when he hit him.

They planted that tent peg there on purpose.

30 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:15:37am

re: #27 Amory Blaine

Imagine setting up next to a Christmas "holiday" display on Christmas day, stand there and tell all the Christians who come by how stupid and corrupt they are etc.?

Or pro-war versus anti-war protesters. Most any protest. The cops keep them separate and a law enforcement presence is maintained. If you allow them to mix things up something will happen as often it does. Crowder and the rest of those chump should have had a barriers between themselves and the rightful protesters there.

31 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:16:23am

re: #12 Kragar

Fischer: New Theory Suggests 'Homosexuality is the Result of a Birth Defect'

The only people who would call it a birth defect are the same assholes who listen to Bryan Fischer.

So you're born gay depending on what genes you inherit. Just like if you are going to have brown or red hair, be tall or short, etc. Can't pray that away.

32 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:16:24am

re: #28 BongCrodny

Don't forget, this is the same crowd that floats the $1 an hour minimum wage trial balloon, so anything they say regarding "making families stronger" is a flat-out lie.

They just want to put Americans back to work. It doesn't matter if the work doesn't make them enough to live on or support their families, its the work that is important to them.

33 BongCrodny  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:17:26am

re: #23 Obdicut

And what the cops have to say about the protesters:

*One* incident, and started by an agent provocateur.

Sticks his hand in the lion's cage, and cries to holy hell when it gets bitten.

34 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:18:20am

re: #32 Kragar

They just want to put Americans back to work. It doesn't matter if the work doesn't make them enough to live on or support their families, its the work that is important to them.

They are all about "saving the taxpayer money" by putting these lazy entitled bastards to work. Even if they still have to receive government assistance, the measly pittance they get from Walmart will reduce the food stamp allotment they would have received if they weren't working at all.//

35 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:19:05am

The Increasingly Hysterical Attempts to Drum Up a War on Christmas

Pro-tip: If you’re spewing as much rage-induced spittle as these morons, it’s unwise to accuse anyone else of being misanthropic. As Atrios notes, right wingers are “rage addicts”. Without misanthropy, O’Reilly wouldn’t have an audience.

Considering that they’re fighting a made-up “war”, they might as well have made-up enemies. None of the atheists they hate actually think they’re going to destroy Christmas by asking the government to obey the First Amendment and not use public resources to endorse Christianity. It will still dominate the radio waves, TV shows, magazines, and consumerist spaces like shops and malls. Indeed, most atheists don’t even care if the government has a generic “holiday season” kind of thing going on, such as draping tinsel on stuff. (I invariably get one or two crotchety types that do want Christmas itself to go away protesting that they exist, so there you go: Your tiny minority is acknowledged. Enjoy.) Most atheists celebrate some kind of holiday, usually the one they grew up with, but they just do it in a way that’s not religious. That’s how much of a strawman Fox News is spending hours and hours bashing in an attempt to scare their shockingly gullible audience

36 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:19:06am

re: #32 Kragar

They just want to put Americans back to work. It doesn't matter if the work doesn't make them enough to live on or support their families, its the work that is important to them.

If they didn't have that job, we'd have to pay even more welfare to them! They should be happy they have a job!!

37 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:19:41am

The working class is in serious trouble if this is our plan for employment opportunity.

38 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:20:21am

re: #32 Kragar

They just want to put Americans back to work. It doesn't matter if the work doesn't make them enough to live on or support their families, its the work that is important to them.

Calivinism is live and well and living in our political discourse. No wonder the Texas Board of education was all for giving him a more prominent place in the history books than Thomas Jefferson...

39 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:20:51am

All the billions of dollars states get extorted from companies threatening to move..

40 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:21:08am

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

They are all about "saving the taxpayer money" by putting these lazy entitled bastards to work. Even if they still have to receive government assistance, the measly pittance they get from Walmart will reduce the food stamp allotment they would have received if they weren't working at all.//

"Are there no prisons?"
/

41 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:22:31am

Stupidity such as that demonstrated by Crowder should be painful.

42 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:24:57am

re: #38 Sol Berdinowitz

Calivinism is live and well and living in our political discourse. No wonder the Texas Board of education was all for giving him a more prominent place in the history books than Thomas Jefferson...


Investigation Looks For Muslim Bias In Texas Schools, Finds Christian Bias Instead

A bizarre chain email sent to district and school board officials in the Dallas area this October titled “IRVING ISD INDOCTRINATING ISLAM” inspired a recent investigation of “Islamic bias” in the district’s curriculum. Despite the outlandish claims, the district requested that an official from the organization that created the curriculum to respond. The results of a 72-page investigation done by the organization were not surprising: there’s a Christian bias in schools, not a Muslim one.

The official told the board that a bias toward Islam didn’t exist, even mentioning that “she hired a ‘very socially and fiscally conservative’ former social studies teacher who ‘watches Glenn Beck on a regular basis’ to seek out any Islamic bias in CSCOPE [the curriculum].” She “asked her to look for anything she would consider the least bit controversial.” The Dallas Morning News has the details of an investigation that mentioned “every religious reference in the CSCOPE curriculum, from kindergarten to high school”:

- Christianity got twice as much attention in the curriculum as any other religion. Islam was a distant second.

- The Red Crescent and Boston Tea Party reference mentioned in the email were nowhere in CSCOPE’s curriculum, although they may have been in the past.

- If there was any Islamic bias in CSCOPE it was “bias against radical Islam.”

43 Destro  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:26:07am

Let me know when Union members start carrying "2nd Amendment solution" or "Don't Tread On Me" signs or shows up wearing and displaying firearms like the Tea Party demonstrators did.

Till then......

44 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:26:10am

Wisconsin is a national leader in tax handouts to business

In 2009, the company that ran Mercury Marine's Fond du Lac plant put a gun to the head of its workers: Either agree to wage givebacks, they warned, or we'll move your jobs to our plant in Stillwater, Okla.

The drama soon involved Gov. Jim Doyle, who was bashed for not being pro-business enough to prevent the company's move. The criticism extended to Wisconsin's tax structure. As Rep. Bob Ziegelbauer, the independent from Manitowoc, declared, for companies like Mercury Marine, "the higher tax burden they now find in Wisconsin is a powerful incentive to look elsewhere."

In fact, the company's "burden" could hardly have been lighter. As a study by the liberal Institute for Wisconsin's Future later found, Mercury Marine's parent company Brunswick had paid not one dollar in Wisconsin corporate income taxes in the eight previous years, though its total profits over that period were $1.1 billion.

Nor was this uncommon. A previous study by the IWF, checking net taxes paid (which are public records in Wisconsin), had found a majority of large companies here consistently paid zero in state corporate income taxes.

For that matter, Brunswick was doing pretty good on labor costs. As a letter to stockholders from chairman and CEO Dunstan E. McCoy (quoted by IWF) noted: "Our employees significantly contributed to our cash position through salary actions, periodic unpaid furloughs, and other measures which directly affected their pay and benefits."

The company had already signed a contract, in 2008, with the union representing Mercury Marine workers that ran through 2012. Now, one year later, the company wanted to further lower its labor costs.

Led by conservative talk radio, the pressure on the union and on Doyle to play ball with Mercury Marine was enormous. The result was complete capitulation.

The union, which had overwhelmingly rejected the company's demands, did an about-face and agreed to a seven-year pay freeze and reduced health care coverage for employees. Doyle and the state gave the company a generous package worth $70 million. Fond du Lac County provided a $50 million loan, paid for by a new 0.5% county sales tax, and the city of Fond du Lac threw in another $3 million in financial aid.

45 Political Atheist  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:30:18am

re: #30 Gus

Or pro-war versus anti-war protesters. Most any protest. The cops keep them separate and a law enforcement presence is maintained. If you allow them to mix things up something will happen as often it does. Crowder and the rest of those chump should have had a barriers between themselves and the rightful protesters there.

Absolutely. Remember the Tea party gathering in LA I posted some shots from? (Before Pages) The event had very angry provocative counter protesters. LAPD set up a big zone between. The only people in the no mans land between was cops, media and photogs. Anyone else got corrected fast.

46 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:31:57am

re: #44 Amory Blaine

Wisconsin is a national leader in tax handouts to business

Fucking welfare queens

47 Cinnabar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:34:05am

re: #12 Kragar

Fischer: New Theory Suggests 'Homosexuality is the Result of a Birth Defect'

Which means, according to Bryan Fischer, that homosexuality might be a "birth defect" which could lead prospective parents to choose abortion:

The only people who would call it a birth defect are the same assholes who listen to Bryan Fischer.

Abortion?! What happened to "choose life?"

48 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:35:05am

re: #35 Kragar

The Increasingly Hysterical Attempts to Drum Up a War on Christmas

Heh. The baby-boomers grew up with "the Man is keeping us down!", so now that they're the man, or have failed and are being miserable they need to keep grasping for scapegoats and others to blame in order to explain their lack of perceived success and associated happiness. If you can't pull yourself up, pull everyone else down.

49 Amory Blaine  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:36:11am
50 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:37:27am

PA Supreme Court Judge claims she is immune to criminal charges because she is a judge

Defense attorneys for suspended state Supreme Court Justice Joan Orie Melvin argued in a legal filing Friday that the suspended jurist should not be facing criminal charges because activity by court employees is to be regulated only by the judiciary.

In a lengthy memorandum, the lawyers called the prosecution "unprecedented and constitutionally flawed," explaining that they believe their client is being prosecuted in criminal court for violating an internal court rule regulating political activity by court employees.

Justice Orie Melvin is charged with seven criminal counts, including theft of services, criminal conspiracy, official oppression and misapplication of entrusted property.
...
They are accused of using the judge's staff to run election campaigns to the Pennsylvania high court in 2003 and 2009.

"These flawed charges, if allowed to proceed, expose the Pennsylvania judiciary to the arbitrary police power of every prosecutor," her attorneys wrote. "The independence of the judiciary will erode and yield to the executive's self-declared authority to police and prosecute the manner and means by which judges direct their staff and exercise their judicial authority."

51 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:41:22am

re: #50 Kragar

"I AM THE LAW" - Judge Dredd

52 alpuz  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:42:08am

If Crowder walked into a working class bar, in any neighborhood in the midwest he'd probably end up taking one in the face. No matter what he was yammering on about. He's just that kind of douchebag.

53 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:42:46am

re: #51 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

"I AM THE LAW" - Judge Dredd

Dredd had no problem taking down corrupt Judges.

Image: gaze-into-the-fist-of-dredd.jpg

54 kirkspencer  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:44:47am

re: #50 Kragar

PA Supreme Court Judge claims she is immune to criminal charges because she is a judge

No one is above the law. That tenet was reaffirmed with Nixon's impeachment. Though unstated, it is to my mind the keystone of our nation's social strength. Yes, I am aware there are a number of people who believe they are immune, who appear to be getting away with it. I fear for our future from this more than anything else, and cheer more loudly when those individuals are brought low in relief of that fear.

Justice Melvin? The fact you've made this statement makes you, in my eyes, unqualified for the office you hold. Even if you are not convicted of the charges brought, I hope (and in whatever small way I can I will help) you are removed from office as swiftly and permanently as possible.

55 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:45:01am

O’Reilly attacks ‘wimpy Christians’ for not freaking out about ‘war on Christmas’

Fox News host Bill O’Reilly is turning against the Christians who he says haven’t been outraged enough about the so-called “war on Christmas.”

On his Tuesday broadcast, O’Reilly asked evangelical Texas Pastor Robert Jeffress “why so many Christian leaders are silent when Christianity comes under attack.”

“A lot of Christian leaders have the wrong idea about Jesus,” Jeffress explained. “They see Jesus as this little wimpy guy who walked around plucking daisies and eating birdseed and saying nice things, but never doing anything controversial. The fact is Jesus did confront his culture with truth and he ended up being crucified because of it.”

“There is a problem in America with the Christian forces being weak,” O’Reilly declared.

"No True Christian..."

56 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:46:37am

Meanwhile, at Drudge Report:

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57 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:47:45am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, at Drudge Report:

Image: ZZ1FF0FE39.jpg

So the Sheriff is near?

58 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:48:09am

re: #49 Amory Blaine

The fact is that despite all these states pushing subsidies and incentives to woo business, most are really fighting with other states for the same attentions and business wins by extracting ever greater tax breaks that are borne by other taxpayers.

Only recently have some states gotten serious about seeing benefits from jobs-related incentives (making sure that the jobs are actually being created and not simply shifted from other in-state locations, or that economic development goals are achieved within the time period). But there's a long way to go on that.

Wisconsin isn't even the worst offender on that front - even though the Wisconsin tax code is absolutely a nightmare to the point that their tax department can't make heads or tails of some code provisions.

No, Texas takes the cake - both on per capita and total spending grounds. We're talking about half the state budget spending - or about $19 billion goes to business incentives. That's about $749 per person.

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:48:20am

RE #56

came up in the last thread...I believe this is the old "since they are gonna call us racists anyways, we might as well just shout it out loud!" gambit.

it resounds well in The Bubble

60 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:48:35am

The Breitards in particular seem to be set up (consciously or not) to sell a mood. They are not "reporting" anything, not even "conveying information." It seems that the goal is to spread the disease they're infected with, which is a really insidious form of hate. It's the kind that makes you hate certain specific types of people - not ideas, not policies, but very specifically the people associated with certain ideas, policies, etc. without really being able to articulate *why*, and even without being aware that you *hate*. That kind of identity-focused hate ends up defining you as an entity in opposition to an enemies list. And then "you" disappear.

61 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:51:19am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

So, Drudge doesn't like that the Django will be on a rip roaring rampage of revenge soon? Or is he trying to say that it's now acceptable to use the term in polite company because someone like Quentin is using it in his films (and actors like Foxx or Jackson have no problems using that other similar terms in his films). Or both?

62 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:52:30am

re: #61 lawhawk

So, Drudge doesn't like that the Django will be on a rip roaring rampage of revenge soon? Or is he trying to say that it's now acceptable to use the term in polite company because someone like Quentin is using it in his films (and actors like Foxx or Jackson have no problems using that other similar terms in his films). Or both?

That's his cover, he just likes printing it in big letters...

63 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:52:56am

re: #61 lawhawk

So, Drudge doesn't like that the Django will be on a rip roaring rampage of revenge soon? Or is he trying to say that it's now acceptable to use the term in polite company because someone like Quentin is using it in his films (and actors like Foxx or Jackson have no problems using that other similar terms in his films). Or both?

It could just be that Drudge is an enormous douchebag with no sense of humor, taste, or tact.

64 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:54:58am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, at Drudge Report:

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Another case of wingnut whining about "liberals getting a free pass" and blah, blah, blah.

65 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:55:00am

re: #61 lawhawk

So, Drudge doesn't like that the Django will be on a rip roaring rampage of revenge soon? Or is he trying to say that it's now acceptable to use the term in polite company because someone like Quentin is using it in his films (and actors like Foxx or Jackson have no problems using that other similar terms in his films). Or both?

Is Django supposed to be a Civil War era version of Inglourious Basterds?

66 Targetpractice  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:55:02am

re: #63 Kragar

It could just be that Drudge is an enormous douchebag with no sense of humor, taste, or tact.

Why you always gotta spoil the suspense?

/

67 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:55:11am

re: #62 Sol Berdinowitz

That's his cover, he just likes printing it in big letters...

68 Jimmah  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:56:44am

Liberals must be trembling in their boots in the face of this kind of 'fresh new tactics and thinking'. Let's keep this shit up FTW!

69 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:56:45am

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, at Drudge Report:

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Lee Atwater, 1981?

71 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:57:02am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

Is Django supposed to be a Civil War era version of Inglourious Basterds?

More or less.

72 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:57:13am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

Not quite. Think spaghetti western meets blaxploitation.

73 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:59:01am

'Warmist' is such a weak epithet. And it makes the accuser a 'coldist'.

74 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:59:08am

re: #72 lawhawk

Not quite. Think spaghetti western meets blaxploitation.

Blackula High Plains Drifter


[whistling]
woo-we-woo-we-woo

75 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 11:59:35am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

Is Django supposed to be a Civil War era version of Inglourious Basterds?

It is not a movie I am likely to watch, mostly 'cause I am not that big a fan of Tarantino or Spaghetti westerns. But I do not understand the Drudge fury over it.

76 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:00:26pm

re: #75 Sol Berdinowitz

It is not a movie I am likely to watch, mostly 'cause I am not that big a fan of Tarantino or Spaghetti westerns. But I do not understand the Drudge fury over it.

Like you said, it's just cover.

77 Kragar  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:00:50pm

re: #74 Eventual Carrion

Blackula High Plains Drifter

[whistling]
woo-we-woo-we-woo

There is no K in Blacula.

78 dragonfire1981  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:03:34pm

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

Is Django supposed to be a Civil War era version of Inglourious Basterds?

I saw on the web awhile back a really well done fake poster for "Inglourious Basterds 2", with the setting being the Cold War.

The tag line: "In Soviet Russia, Basterds kill you!"

I think it could be awesome if it were ever made.

79 Jimmah  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:04:39pm

re: #64 Gus

Another case of wingnut whining about "liberals getting a free pass" and blah, blah, blah.

Context meaning and intent r 4 librhulz.

80 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:04:50pm

re: #78 dragonfire1981

I saw on the web awhile back a really well done fake poster for "Inglourious Basterds 2", with the setting being the Cold War.

The tag line: "In Soviet Russia, Basterds kill you!"

I think it could be awesome if it were ever made.

I watched "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Killer." I was totally expecting Mary Todd to be a vampire, but she wasn't. That kind of sucked.

81 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:06:02pm

re: #80 Vicious Babushka

how was the movie overall?

82 KingKenrod  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:07:19pm

re: #58 lawhawk

The fact is that despite all these states pushing subsidies and incentives to woo business, most are really fighting with other states for the same attentions and business wins by extracting ever greater tax breaks that are borne by other taxpayers.

Only recently have some states gotten serious about seeing benefits from jobs-related incentives (making sure that the jobs are actually being created and not simply shifted from other in-state locations, or that economic development goals are achieved within the time period). But there's a long way to go on that.

Wisconsin isn't even the worst offender on that front - even though the Wisconsin tax code is absolutely a nightmare to the point that their tax department can't make heads or tails of some code provisions.

No, Texas takes the cake - both on per capita and total spending grounds. We're talking about half the state budget spending - or about $19 billion goes to business incentives. That's about $749 per person.

Alaska, West Virginia, and Nebraska spend more per capita.

83 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:07:21pm

You guys are just reading this Crowder guy, and Faux news all wrong: They're just showing how much they love America and Americans. Freedom! //

84 Jimmah  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:07:57pm

re: #80 Vicious Babushka

Unexpectedly great little movie though - kicked Batman's (Dark Knight Rises) ass at our place the other day.

86 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:09:47pm

re: #79 Jimmah

Context meaning and intent r 4 librhulz.

Drudge. Where knuckle dragging wingnut cavemen get their narrative for the day.

87 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:12:28pm

re: #86 Gus

Drudge. Where knuckle dragging morning wingnut cavemen wavers get their narrative for the day.

FTFY.

88 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:16:11pm

re: #77 Kragar

There is no K in Blacula.

[Embedded content]

You exploit how you want, I'll exploit how I want.

//

89 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:19:28pm

re: #85 Kragar

For the Fifth Time, David Barton Falsely Claims the Constitution is Full of Direct Quotations Out of the Bible

And the Lord said, "The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall
be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a
different Day."

So it is written.

90 Gus  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:21:35pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

FTFY.

Seems like it sometimes. :O

91 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:23:12pm

re: #85 Kragar

For the Fifth Time, David Barton Falsely Claims the Constitution is Full of Direct Quotations Out of the Bible

I wish someone would ask him to quote the Constitution. Just so that they can then pull out a copy and go, "No, it doesn't say that, and where do you find it in the Bible for that matter."

Unfortunately he's clever enough never to go anywhere near somebody likely to do that.

92 lawhawk  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:30:41pm

re: #82 KingKenrod

I saw that, but when you look at how much total spending in Texas versus the other states, it just blows everything else out of the water.

Alaska spends $994 per capita, but only $774 million.
West Virginia spends $845 per capita and $1.57 billion.
Nebraska spends $763 per capita or $1.39 billion.

By comparison, Texas is spending $759 per person and $19.1 billion. It also figures out to be about half the annual state budget. It's a fraction of that in those other states.

93 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:31:51pm

re: #75 Sol Berdinowitz

It is not a movie I am likely to watch, mostly 'cause I am not that big a fan of Tarantino or Spaghetti westerns. But I do not understand the Drudge fury over it.

Poutrage!

94 Randall Gross  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:33:30pm

re: #92 lawhawk

Alaska has a killer cost of living however, so that one's anomalous. The same holds true of certain areas in NY, and CA.

95 Bulworth  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:39:04pm

re: #85 Kragar

My favorite of the Torah is the part where Moses says there was to be "no religious test" for membership in Israel. /

96 funky chicken  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:43:24pm

re: #12 Kragar

Fischer: New Theory Suggests 'Homosexuality is the Result of a Birth Defect'

The only people who would call it a birth defect are the same assholes who listen to Bryan Fischer.

But does Fischer support aborting homosexual fetuses?

97 thinkingwriter  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 12:52:21pm

He should be glad that a pop in the jaw is all he got.

There is evidence out there that suggests he might have provoked the punch by a sucker punch. See here.

98 wrenchwench  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:01:27pm

re: #97 thinkingwriter

Welcome, hatchling.

99 [deleted]  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:08:27pm
100 Destro  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:12:52pm

re: #99 grichardson420

I am not a progressive........

101 Charles Johnson  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 1:16:27pm

re: #99 grichardson420

Whaddaya know. It's 'pharmmajor' back again. And banned again.

102 KingKenrod  Wed, Dec 12, 2012 3:00:45pm

re: #92 lawhawk

I saw that, but when you look at how much total spending in Texas versus the other states, it just blows everything else out of the water.

Alaska spends $994 per capita, but only $774 million.
West Virginia spends $845 per capita and $1.57 billion.
Nebraska spends $763 per capita or $1.39 billion.

By comparison, Texas is spending $759 per person and $19.1 billion. It also figures out to be about half the annual state budget. It's a fraction of that in those other states.

Over half of that of that $19.1 billion is a mfg sales tax exemption for raw materials - an exemption that is common in other states to avoid tax cascading. It amounts to $11.7 billion of the $19.1 billion. The NY Times article you got those figures from didn't count that exemption against California, Illinois, Florida, New York, and a bunch of other states that offer the same exemption.


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