The Evidence for Climate Change Without Using Computer Models or the IPCC

Carbon dioxide is a heat trap. It’s a fact.
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SOURCES are listed in the next video, because of space constraints. Predictable posts are answered here. Please spend your time and effort in addressing the evidence presented in the video:

“This is a straw man argument. Of course skeptics [sic] accept that CO2 warms the atmosphere,
We just don’t think the warming will be catastrophic.”

Answer: “Skeptics” have all kinds of positions on climate science, depending on their personal beliefs and feelings. This video addresses those critics who claim there is no evidence for the link between CO2 and global temperature. Whether you want to call such changes “catastrophic” or benign, or terrible, or bad, or good is your feeling, and therefore outside the scope of the science.

“Correlation does not mean causation.”

Answer: It is still consistent with the theory. And where a mechanism has been shown that should produce a correlation, then the correlation is yet more confirmation that a theory is correct.

“Here’s a piece of evidence — there’s no hot spot”

Apart from the fact that this ‘no hot spot’ idea is another piece of Internet mythology, the idea of the ‘hot spot’ is based on a computer model. If you think computer models are all wrong, then the lack of a hot spot must be wrong.

And critics — please try to address the evidence shown in this video, rather than repeat myths that have been dealt with in my previous videos. If you’re not sure, check them out:

“Warming is due to galactic rays/cosmic rays/the sun”
See: 2. Climate Change — the objections
20 - Are cosmic rays causing global warming?
Monckton bunkum Part 5 — What, MORE errors, my lord?
1. Climate Change — the scientific debate

“There was a consensus about global cooling in the 1970s”
See: 3 - Climate Change — Anatomy of a myth

“There’s been no warming since 1998.”
See: 8. Climate Change — Has the Earth been cooling?
8a. Climate Change - Phil Jones and the ‘no warming for 15 years’
24 - Global warming has stopped? Again??

“The climate always changes”
See: 8. 5. Climate Change — isn’t it natural?
Climate Change — Has the Earth been cooling?
Monckton Bunkum Part 3 - Correlations and Himalayan glaciers

“31,000 scientists disagree”
See: 9. Climate Change - Meet the Scientists

“We’re headed for another ice age”
See: 10. Climate Change - An imminent ice age debunked
21 - “Earth facing mini-ice age!!” say the media. Now for the science….

“Global warming will cause more hurricanes”
See: 11. Climate Change — Hurricanes, atolls and coral

“A recent study found that warming will be just 1.64 degrees”
See: 12 - ‘Doubled CO2 means just 1.64 degrees of warming…’ or maybe not.

“Global warming is drowning islands “
See: 13 - Misleading media reports on sea level rise - a case study
11. Climate Change — Hurricanes, atolls and coral

“Global warming will bring an end to snow in the UK”
See: 14 - BP oil spills and an end to snow

“Greenland/arctic ice is not melting”
See: Monckton Bunkum Part 1 - Global cooling and melting ice

“There is very little amplification due to CO2 rise”
See: Monckton Bunkum Part 2 - Sensitivity

“There is no correlation between CO2 and temperature in the past”
See: 5. Climate Change — isn’t it natural?
Monckton Bunkum Part 3 - Correlations and Himalayan glaciers

“Himalayan glaciers are not melting.”
See: Monckton Bunkum Part 3 - Correlations and Himalayan glaciers

“[So-and-so] said….”
See: Monckton Bunkum Part 4 — Quotes and misquotes

“It’s been shown that climate scientists engaged in fraud”
See: 22 — Climategate mark 2 — the quotes and the context
6. Climate Change — Those hacked e-mails
7. Climate Change - “Those” e-mails and science censorship

“The Medieval Warm Period proves….”
See: 23 — Medieval Warm Period — fact vs. fiction

“CO2 always lags temperature rise”
See: 25 - Climate Change — The “800-year lag” unravelled

“I don’t believe it”
See: 26 — Science vs. the Feelies

“Evidence never convinces me, I believe whatever I hear in my head.”
See: A psychiatrist

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74 comments
1 kerFuFFler  Sat, May 11, 2013 1:50:52pm

What a great video! I’ll have to send it to a conservative professor I know who assumes climate change is a hoax. (He delights in annoying all his more liberal colleagues with his blanket assumption that the “skeptics” are correct in this matter.) It will be interesting to see if his mind is at all open to actual evidence.

2 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 12, 2013 5:59:50pm

I had to promote this one in the hope that more people will see it. Amazing work by potholer54.

3 Kragar  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:19:42pm

And on the other side, proving global warming is a lie:

The Bible
Snow/Rain

Who can argue with that?

4 Targetpractice  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:26:42pm

re: #3 Kragar

And on the other side, proving global warming is a lie:

The Bible
Snow/Rain

Who can argue with that?

I’d add “‘Studies’ financed and pushed by fossil fuel companies” and “Emotional arguments by ‘skeptics’ whose scientific knowledge could be written on a postage stamp.”

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:31:41pm
6 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:32:23pm

Here we go again. Another weekly news cycle of right wing lunacy.

7 bratwurst  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:35:47pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Let’s just ignore that it was ONE IRS office in Cincinnati…or that with the small but persistant scourge of the “sovereign citizen movement”, it might be wise to give groups that mention hatred of taxes as their raison d’être a little extra scrutiny.

8 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:36:02pm

Needs more Romanian Blonde.

“Bool-Sheet”

9 Targetpractice  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:36:17pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Leave it to a wingnut to repeat a long-debunked myth, namely that Nixon used that IRS against his “enemies.” The man ordered a grand total of 16 audits and none of them were ever carried out.

10 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:39:51pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

Leave it to a wingnut to repeat a long-debunked myth, namely that Nixon used that IRS against his “enemies.” The man ordered a grand total of 16 audits and none of them were ever carried out.

They are also conflating IRS audits with examination of misuse of charitable/educational tax exemptions. All of the 501 c’s should get a close look. There are hundreds of them with questionable public value, and we need the money.

11 Targetpractice  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:42:32pm

re: #10 Decatur Deb

They are also conflating IRS audits with examination of misuse of charitable/educational tax exemptions. All of the 501 c’s should get a close look. There are hundreds of them with questionable public value, and we need the money.

That’s what’s really driving this whole BS train, the idea that subjecting Tea Party political groups to scrutiny is an “attack” on them, rather than the IRS failing at its job to properly scrutinize all 501(c)(4) applications.

12 sattv4u2  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:46:35pm

heh

Well,, it’s official

Lawyers ARE prostitutes


Rising number of Minnesota lawyers punished for misconduct

One lawyer billed his client for the time they spent having sex

startribune.com

13 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:47:23pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

That’s what’s really driving this whole BS train, the idea that subjecting Tea Party political groups to scrutiny is an “attack” on them, rather than the IRS failing at its job to properly scrutinize all 501(c)(4) applications.

Each year Fed employees and the military donate to the Combined Federal Campaign—their version of the United Fund. The booklet contains a vast list of eligible groups, many of them controversial and some of them absurd. Unless a donor jumps through some hoops, his tax-free money is divided among them on a pro-rata basis. We need fewer advocacy groups masquerading as charities.

14 Stanghazi  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:51:43pm

re: #10 Decatur Deb

They are also conflating IRS audits with examination of misuse of charitable/educational tax exemptions. All of the 501 c’s should get a close look. There are hundreds of them with questionable public value, and we need the money.

That may well be the silver lining. If they say, yeah it was wrong, but BTW, what is up with all of these fast start non-profits?

15 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:52:17pm

re: #14 Stanghazi

Yup.

16 Targetpractice  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:52:49pm

I’ll predict now that, like most of the other “scandals” of recent years, this one will be blamed partly or wholly on government employees being hamstrung by either a lack of funds or loose regulations, forcing them engage in activities dubbed “wrong” and “illegal” for the purpose of trying to something resembling the job they’re assigned.

17 sattv4u2  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:55:40pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

18 Targetpractice  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:59:58pm

One of the complaints the IRS has had in recent years, particularly this year, is that the funds necessary to process all tax receipts and ensure that everyone is getting the refund they’re entitled to/audit they deserve are not being provided. That the agency is underfunded and so undermanned, causing a loss of tax revenue.

That a small office, pressed for funds, would narrow its focus to groups where tax dodging and/or outright fraud are acceptable practices makes sense in that context. If wingnut disagree with that, tell them it’s like their insistence that the TSA focus only on Muslim passengers or cops limit their focus to poor and minority neighborhoods.

19 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 12, 2013 7:12:37pm

Sheesh—Avanti has logged in. The old band is getting back together.

20 chadu  Sun, May 12, 2013 7:26:22pm

re: #10 Decatur Deb

And that’s what they’re frightened about.

They’re sloppy.

21 chadu  Sun, May 12, 2013 7:28:37pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

I have not gotten a refund for the past 3 years, because I pay my taxes as required.

And I am happy to do it.

22 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 12, 2013 7:32:32pm

Every so often somebody on Twitter mentions me in a conversation with the stalkers. BLOCKED.

WTF is wrong with these little fuckers? Don’t they have jobs or families or lives?

23 Bubblehead II  Sun, May 12, 2013 7:32:43pm

Night Lizards. Troll downstairs. Deal with it as you as you will.

Sleep well and may the Deity of you choice smile down upon you.

24 chadu  Sun, May 12, 2013 7:40:26pm

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

They are mentally bunkered down in a crazy RED DAWN/RAMBO war.

25 chadu  Sun, May 12, 2013 7:42:15pm

re: #23 Bubblehead II

Deity/Shmeity, as long as I’m rich. /daffy

26 engineer cat  Sun, May 12, 2013 7:43:37pm

Romanian Blonde

where can i get one?

27 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 12, 2013 7:46:41pm

re: #26 engineer cat

Romanian Blonde

where can i get one?

YT. Here’s her creationism debut:

28 Single-handed sailor  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:18:34pm
29 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:20:21pm
30 chadu  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:23:59pm

re: #29 Gus

31 freetoken  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:25:57pm

Very hot day here today. Spring has been way too warm at times, and way too dry. The poor loquats, after starting off late are now having to ripen the fruit within days, which means most of the fruit is smaller than it was last year.

Still taste good.

But another couple of days like this and the loquats will be finished soon.

Several high temp records were broken today:
nws.noaa.gov

32 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:32:10pm

Cmdr. Chris Hadfield’s cover of Space Odyssey is pretty damned cool.

33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:34:21pm

I’m not 100% sure, but I think this person might be a wingnut.

Image: Z67RJ0V.jpg

34 chadu  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:36:12pm

re: #32 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Troo dat.

35 chadu  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:37:26pm

re: #33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

That is like kryptonite level DERPosity.

Dang, yo.

36 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:40:18pm

re: #35 chadu

That is like kryptonite level DERPosity.

Dang, yo.

37 jaunte  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:41:15pm

re: #33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Based on Cafepress pricing, that’s $127.50 worth of bumper stickers.
cafepress.com

38 freetoken  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:41:48pm

Has the Tribune company been sold to wingnuts yet?

Anyway, I see that the flagship paper of that company has jumped on the BENGHAZI!! bandwagon with an editorial, unsigned so I presume it is coming from the Editorial board:

The Benghazi decisions

Make uncovering the truth a bipartisan mission

[…]

Hearing that from a witness as composed and compelling as Hicks, the House members of both parties looked startled and, briefly, humbled.

That’s a sensible posture for all Americans to adopt. Benghazi is a mystery screaming to be explained.

We wish that the administration would be fully transparent and advance all of us from speculation to knowledge. If anyone in the White House, the Defense Department or State Department urged candor about Benghazi from the get-go, that testimony hasn’t been heard. Instead, the administration has reacted grudgingly — Friday’s testy White House briefing included — to news reports or congressional actions.

[…]

Never again should we as citizens let the Americans who endanger their lives to represent all of us — Democrats, Republicans, independents — be left to murmur, “OK. We’re on our own. …”

It’s a mystery.

Yeah, right.

The need to push papers was always the temptation too hard to resist for many a leaning-towards-yellow-journalist outfit.

Perhaps the Tribune company is just practicing for its coming wingnut overlords?

39 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:42:16pm

re: #33 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I’m not 100% sure, but I think this person might be a wingnut.

Image: Z67RJ0V.jpg

The “Audacity of Bullshit” sticker made me laugh.

40 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:45:01pm

So what’s the latest neurosis on Twitter? Haven’t checked in about a week.

41 freetoken  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:45:40pm

re: #40 Gus

Apparently Obama is using the IRS to send all the real patriots to a gulag.

42 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:46:27pm

re: #41 freetoken

Apparently Obama is using the IRS to send all the real patriots to a gulag.

Yeah but I thought they didn’t do anything.

43 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:47:29pm

Wait. I looked this afternoon. “Benghazi in four words” was trending. Whatever.

44 freetoken  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:48:02pm

Reuters, not want to be left behind, runs with this headline:

Republican expects more Benghazi “whistle blowers”

If Obama didn’t do anything wrong then why are there whistle-blowers?

So there.

45 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:49:11pm

re: #44 freetoken

Reuters, not want to be left behind, runs with this headline:

Republican expects more Benghazi “whistle blowers”

If Obama didn’t do anything wrong then why are there whistle-blowers?

So there.

It’s complicated. Ask John McCain. //

46 freetoken  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:54:14pm

In the land of the stupid, the one golden eye is king.

Or something:

Could Texas soon have the golden touch?

Call it the Texas gold rush.

State Rep. Giovanni Capriglione is racing against the clock to find a way to move forward his proposal to create a Texas Bullion Depository — and bring back to Texas the state’s gold that is currently stored in a New York vault.

With two weeks left in the legislative session, Capriglione, R-Southlake, is hoping he can attach his proposal to another bill on its way to the Texas Senate, trying to hit pay dirt in the upper chamber.

“We’re running out of time,” Capriglione said. “We have billions of dollars of our own gold.

[…]

47 chadu  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:54:52pm

re: #36 Gus

48 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:56:43pm

We don’t know what the PBO WH did wrong but we think he did something wrong and will feed our mouth breathing followers to babble incessantly about Benghazi on stupid Twitter for days on end. Yet, we, they, will ignore all the BS surrounding the Iraq war, including myself, for eternity. This is the state of GOP politics today and it’s f-u-c-k-i-n-g retarded.

49 chadu  Sun, May 12, 2013 8:59:56pm

Aw, fuck it… Time for a 1776 post.

(Watch the skies!)

50 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:00:45pm
51 AlexRogan  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:03:43pm

re: #19 Decatur Deb

Sheesh—Avanti has logged in. The old band is getting back together.

We’re on a mission from God…

/Blues Brothers

52 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:03:57pm

My only concern about Benghazi is about getting the MOFOs that killed our men. If possible. Otherwise, I’m not going to lose any sleep over bureaucratic shenanigans. The USA went out of their way to kick that mad man Gaddafi out of Lybia. We supported the rebels. The people that did this deserve a burial at sea. Eventually.

53 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:09:55pm

re: #52 Gus

Libyan people are putting up a fight against them.

54 palomino  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:16:09pm

Benghazi couldn’t be more nakedly political. The GOP clearly wants to hobble Hillary or maybe even convince her not to run. Where has the GOP’s outrage been with respect to other embassy attacks? Why didn’t they obsess over talking points and emails in such cases in the past? Simple: there was no political advantage to be gained.

This is what happens when a party has no agenda, other than cutting taxes and just flat out eliminating govt as much as possible. The current GOP really doesn’t want much else to change. Not on gun control, or climate change, or environmental policy, or regulating Wall St., or marriage equality, or immigration reform (except to stop the bleeding with Hispanic voters).

55 freetoken  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:29:38pm

Speaking of Hillary, here’s a headline tonight that could be read in more than one:

Review chairman: Clinton didn’t call shots on Benghazi

If all I read was the headline, and if I had a wingnut’s brain (… cough …) I’d think -


SEE HILLARY WASN’T THERE FOR THE 3AM CALL SHE’S NEGLIGENT SHE DOESNT CARE SHE DIDNT DO HER JOB!!!!!

However, the actual story is about the exoneration of Clinton by Pickering.

Headlines - they are there to plant ideas and to draw you in.

56 Kragar  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:29:57pm

re: #54 palomino

Benghazi couldn’t be more nakedly political. The GOP clearly wants to hobble Hillary or maybe even convince her not to run. Where has the GOP’s outrage been with respect to other embassy attacks? Why didn’t they obsess over talking points and emails in such cases in the past? Simple: there was no political advantage to be gained.

This is what happens when a party has no agenda, other than cutting taxes and just flat out eliminating govt as much as possible. The current GOP really doesn’t want much else to change. Not on gun control, or climate change, or environmental policy, or regulating Wall St., or marriage equality, or immigration reform (except to stop the bleeding with Hispanic voters).

The GOP cares nothing about governing, they just want to control everything.

57 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:30:36pm

The GOP takes their talking points from Drudge. Effectively, that means they’re also taking talking points from WND, Infowars, etc… Oh heck. To put it simply. It’s the party of Michelle Malkin.

58 Gus  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:30:55pm

The GOP is a Twitter TL.

59 freetoken  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:34:26pm

Benghazi is a mystery that whistle blowers are trying to tell about Hillary Clinton not doing her job.

That’s my take-away from tonight’s news.

60 Varek Raith  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:44:45pm

Yay, vertigo!
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecrash.

61 palomino  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:51:11pm

re: #56 Kragar

The GOP cares nothing about governing, they just want to control everything.

A few decades ago, the GOP was a somewhat pragmatic party that cared about the work of governance. Now they’re nothing more than a protest party, particularly when they’re out of power.

62 freetoken  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:55:19pm

Doing genealogy I’m learnin’ lots of new stuff - which is always neat, but also appreciating more what I had already knew but didn’t really grok. Discovering that I have ancestry in the South the one thing I’m beginning to lament is that the Union army at times was so indiscriminate in their destruction. Parts of early colonial history just went up in flames.

63 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, May 12, 2013 9:58:42pm

re: #62 freetoken

Are you on Ancestry dot com? My sister did the family back to the early 1800’s. It was amazing.

64 Lidane  Sun, May 12, 2013 10:41:04pm

Hola Lizards! Just got finished watching Django Unchained.

I know it’s a controversial film, but I enjoyed it. I thought it was really well done and that the actors in it were great.

65 engineer cat  Sun, May 12, 2013 11:07:04pm

i should have loved a thunderbird instead
at least when spring comes they roar back again

66 Single-handed sailor  Sun, May 12, 2013 11:13:39pm

re: #65 engineer cat

i should have loved a thunderbird instead
at least when spring comes they roar back again

The first thing I ever got drunk on was Thunderbird, it sure does come back roaring again.

67 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 12, 2013 11:37:18pm
68 Single-handed sailor  Sun, May 12, 2013 11:39:21pm

re: #67 Sol Berdinowitz

bad link, for me

69 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 12, 2013 11:41:24pm
70 Amory Blaine  Mon, May 13, 2013 1:17:22am

re: #66 Single-handed sailor

The first thing I ever got drunk on was Thunderbird, it sure does come back roaring again.

We used to rip TJ Swan.

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 1:29:03am
72 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 2:23:23am

where’s freetoken when the thread needs a musical interlude?

73 William of Orange  Mon, May 13, 2013 2:37:31am


Chris Hadfield sings “Space Oddity” in the first music video in space


Tomorrow, Commander Chris Hadfield, from Canada, bids farewell to the International Space Station, meaning we won’t get our usual dose of his tweets and videos sent from space. But he’s signing off with a little David Bowie.

Hadfield’s son Evan writes:

He returns home in Soyuz in the early morning of the 14th, and this is his final video from Station. It is also, coincidentally, the first real music video ever recorded in space.

We’ve seen Hadfield strumming on his guitar up in the ISS, but this is a full music video—“Space Oddity” filmed in the best possible setting. Commander Hadfield, you are a world treasure. We wish you a safe journey back to Earth, but wonder whatever we shall do without your ISS reports to brighten our days.


And the master approves!!!!


Awesome stuff!!! Canada redeems itself for unleashing Justin Bieber onto the world!!!

74 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 2:41:33am

Can he erase this from human memory?


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