Mediaite: DOJ Document Reveals Fox News’s James Rosen Wanted to Impact US Foreign Policy

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The emails revealed in the government’s affidavit appear to show, however, that James Rosen’s solicitation of government secrets wasn’t nearly so narrow. The affidavit describes how Rosen assigned himself the codename “Alex,” and Mr. Kim the moniker “Leo,” and in their early contacts, explained the noble aims of their prospective relationship:

Thanks Leo. What I am interested in, as you might expect, is breaking new ahead of my competitors.

Sure, that sounds bad, as if James Rosen would jeopardize America’s contacts in a hostile foreign government just to get some eyeballs away from his competition, but surely, every reporter has this competitive urge. Although it was the first thing Rosen mentioned, there was another consideration. After outlining the kinds of secret information he hoped to get from “Leo,” Rosen summed up his intention to… report the news objectively? To serve the public?

Let’s break some new, and expose muddle-headed policy when we see it - or force the administration’s hand to go in the right direction, if possible.

Wait, what? Is that what a News reporter is supposed to do, force the administration’s hand to guide American foreign policy to the reporter’s whim? Separate and apart from the DOJ investigation, this email seems to indicate that James Rosen is not just a News reporter, but an activist intent on pushing his own agenda, with the stated goal of manipulating U.S. foreign policy.

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110 comments

1 piratedan  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:13:42pm

man this just screams fair and balanced to me…. let’s see how many of his peers just take it on faith that he was wronged or actually read the article regarding his intentions…. considering the job that they’ve done for the general public so far, betting on the former.

2 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:19:50pm

Something happen in Britain?

3 wrenchwench  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:21:29pm

re: #2 ProTARDISLiberal

Something happen in Britain?

<<——Two threads back.

4 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:24:37pm

Evening Lizardim.

5 wrenchwench  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:29:52pm
Let’s break some new, and expose muddle-headed policy when we see it - or force the administration’s hand to go in the right direction, if possible.

Another possible interpretation is that Rosen knew that ‘forcing the administration’s hand’ is what Kim wanted to do, so he was providing him incentive to leak. Kim had to have had some motivation, and I haven’t seen anything about money being involved.

6 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:30:51pm

Here’s a real hero…
Mum talked down Woolwich terrorists who told her: ‘We want to start a war in London tonight’

Exclusive: A cub scout leader confronted terrorists just seconds after they had beheaded a soldier asking them to hand over their weapons and warning them: “It is only you versus many people, you are going to lose.”

7 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:32:40pm

Here she is in action

8 blueraven  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:41:18pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Here she is in action

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9 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:41:35pm

godhatesoklahoma.com

Not what you think.

10 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:45:05pm

re: #8 blueraven

video not found

It’s just a still pic, I guess LGF automatically tries to convert liveleak stuff to video. Let’s try a twit pic
twitter.com

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:46:31pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

godhatesoklahoma.com

Not what you think.

Bandwidth exceeded.

12 Varek Raith  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:47:36pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

godhatesoklahoma.com

Not what you think.

HAHAHA!

13 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 22, 2013 3:48:40pm

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Bandwidth exceeded.

First you get this and then this.

14 Targetpractice  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:17:28pm

It’s quiet…too quiet…

15 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:17:45pm

What happened in Britain should be a huge dang wake-up call for the British Government.

Britain has been having a miserable time for quite a while. Thatcher’s free trade doctrine gutted Britain’s industry, and with it, many well paying jobs. In addition, she helped foster the racism that that has alienated some Muslims in that nation, among other groups.

Then this has been compounded by the sheer incompetence of the Home Ministry, Ministry of Justice, and the Attorney General’s Office in dealing with nutcakes. Here is a good example.

Delwar Hossain Sayeedi

Delwar Hossain Sayeedi ; born 1 February 1940) is a Bangladeshi Islamist politician, and Muslim cleric. He is the Nayeb-e-Ameer or the Vice President of Jamaat-e-Islami and was an elected member of the National Assembly of Bangladesh from 1996 to 2008. On 28 February 2013, he was convicted of crimes against humanity including murder, arson, looting, rape, and forcefully converting people to Islam during the 1971 Bangladesh liberation war.

This is how we dealt with him.

In 2004 Sayeedi was included in the No Fly List maintained by United States government’s Terrorist Screening Center (TSC). He has made speeches against the western world in the aftermath of the US-UK combined attack on Afganistan in 2001 to unseat the Taliban. He was also criticized for his comments on journalists who published reports about his activities in 1971, which were seen as threatening press freedom.

Meanwhile in Britain:

In July 2006 Sayeedi travelled to the UK to address rallies in London and Luton; his entry was cleared by the foreign office. Many British MPs considered his admission to the country to be controversial. In leaked emails reported by The Times, an adviser, Eric Taylor, said that Sayeedi’s “previous visits to the UK have been reportedly marred by violence caused by his supporters.”

On 13 July 2006, the British journalist Martin Bright released a documentary called Who Speaks For Muslims? It included Sayeedi and identified him as having extreme views. Sayeedi has a large following within the British Bangladeshi community. He was invited to speak at the East London Mosque on 14 July 2006; the then-secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, Muhammad Abdul Bari, supported his invitation.

Something like this was going to happen eventually. Britain’s Government been neglecting the most of its population to appeal to corrupt bankers. The rest of the nation has been left to rot. The safety net is being shredded to pieces, and people have committed suicide over the Bedroom Tax. And for all their bigoted shit, Cameron and his ilk have not stopped radicals from going in an d out as they please. The referendum for Scottish Independence, which will likely fail, should have been taken as a wake-up call. Unfortunately, it wasn’t now we Britain has had this horrific attack occur.

16 erik_t  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:30:04pm

Drawing vast sweeping socioeconomic conclusions from the presumed single criminal act of a couple of nutcases seems just sliiiiiiiightly premature. Frankly I have no idea why that story is getting so much coverage. If they’d just stabbed the guy, we’d never even have heard about it.

Gore-lust, I must presume. If it bleeds has its head chopped off, it leads.

17 GeneJockey  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:35:13pm

re: #16 erik_t

Not just gore-lust, I think. The whole story is so bizarre - decapitating somebody in London in 2013 is wild enough, but to do it in broad daylight in front of witnesses, and INVITE them to take pics/film? That’s just bizarre squared.

18 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:35:25pm

re: #16 erik_t

The UK is having all sorts of Problems. They allow people in they shouldn’t and in significant amounts.

They are now also doing some other sick twisted hell that Republicans wish they could do.

Work capability assessments carried out by the private contractor Atos Healthcare were subjected to critical scrutiny in Parliament following a number of controversial decisions in which disabled individuals were denied benefits and required to look for work. In a few cases, the individuals concerned were reportedly driven to suicide by their experience.

19 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:41:46pm

Meanwhile, you have the morally depraved calling for even heavier cuts to the Safety Net, and even more free trade.

Though I may not be of the same faith as him, I stand with Pope Francis on this malarky.

20 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:48:49pm

Hatchling Alert. Welcome rayancel.

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21 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:49:44pm
22 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:51:28pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

And another way the US is better in my eyes.

We did not have that scale of bullcrap occurring so soon after Boston. Most of our right-wing radicals are chickenshits.

23 rayancel  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:52:23pm

Looks like Fox News is trying to guide the Obama administration into McCain’s song of “bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.”

24 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:55:02pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Two arrested after mosque attacks

“We absolutely condemn what happened in Woolwich, but it had nothing to do with us. It was an appalling act of terror - but it wasn’t “Islamic” in any way. I wish it wasn’t described like that, because sadly people will now start to blame Muslims.”

No shit. This is what Pams friends over at the EDL long for. A reason to strike out at Muslims. Then again, I think Pam and Robert wants the same thing to happen here as well

25 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 4:55:58pm

re: #22 ProTARDISLiberal

And another way the US is better in my eyes.

We did not have that scale of bullcrap occurring so soon after Boston. Most of our right-wing radicals are chickenshits.

We just have a different political culture. Part of the problem is the parliamentary system allows for very small radical parties to function while here in the US they get absorbed by two of the larger more moderate parties. Also groups like the EDL was an offshoot of the football hooligan culture which is also something alien to us. And yes, the EDL is taking advantage of today’s attack. Woolwich ‘Beheading’ Attack: EDL Stage Ugly Protest at Scene

26 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:01:12pm

re: #24 Bubblehead II

“We absolutely condemn what happened in Woolwich, but it had nothing to do with us. It was an appalling act of terror - but it wasn’t “Islamic” in any way. I wish it wasn’t described like that, because sadly people will now start to blame Muslims.”

No shit. This is what Pams friends over at the EDL long for. A reason to strike out at Muslims. Then again, I think Pam and Robert wants the same thing to happen here as well

In regards to “but it wasn’t “Islamic” in any way”; Well, yes and no. I agreed that local Muslim communities should not be held collectively responsible but the same people will tell you that Islam is not a monolithic block, it’s a diverse religion. Unfortunately, today’s attack was “Islamic” and I’m sure there are people out there that are happy about it and think it’s a religious duty. Bin Laden was a Muslim and his actions were sanctioned by some religious scholars. It is what it is.

27 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:01:36pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Your analysis works, but only to a point. You have nations like Sweden that have a septa-to-octo party system, but manage to marginalize their nuts. Hell, Germany can do this. France too.

Granted, the German Government has a chronic issue of having the moral backbone of a wet noodle, but that is neither here nor there.

Britain, up until very recently, was more or less a three party system.

28 wrenchwench  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:04:28pm

My bookmarklet didn’t work. So I replaced it. Still didn’t work. :(

I had to construct a Page by hand. Scissors, paste, links, all that stuff. It was soooo hard!

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29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:06:13pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

My bookmarklet didn’t work. So I replaced it. Still didn’t work. :(

I had to construct a Page by hand. Scissors, paste, links, all that stuff. It was soooo hard!

///

you need to bring out the wrenches!

30 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:08:25pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

My bookmarklet didn’t work. So I replaced it. Still didn’t work. :(

I had to construct a Page by hand. Scissors, paste, links, all that stuff. It was soooo hard!

///

Windows XP?

31 Stanghazi  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:09:13pm

re: #1 piratedan

I read your name in Forrest’s voice.

32 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:09:44pm

re: #31 Stanghazi

Now I am too.

Curse you! ///

33 wrenchwench  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:12:45pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Windows XP?

Yep.

34 Stanghazi  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:13:26pm

re: #16 erik_t

Drawing vast sweeping socioeconomic conclusions from the presumed single criminal act of a couple of nutcases seems just sliiiiiiiightly premature. Frankly I have no idea why that story is getting so much coverage. If they’d just stabbed the guy, we’d never even have heard about it.

Gore-lust, I must presume. If it bleeds has its head chopped off, it leads.

Ripe for Islamophobes. Add in Great Britain & no guns, we’ll be hearing from Pam, Spencer & Gaffney shortly.

Yep.

35 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:13:55pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

In regards to “but it wasn’t “Islamic” in any way”; Well, yes and no. I agreed that local Muslim communities should not be held collectively responsible but the same people will tell you that Islam is not a monolithic block, it’s a diverse religion. Unfortunately, today’s attack was “Islamic” and I’m sure there are people out there that are happy about it and think it’s a religious duty. Bin Laden was a Muslim and his actions were sanctioned by some religious scholars. It is what it is.

Replace Muslin & Islamic with Christian/Christianity and Bin Laden with Scott Roeder and you just described the radical Evangelical Christian movement.

Both are wrong.

36 wrenchwench  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:20:07pm

re: #35 Bubblehead II

Replace Muslin & Islamic with Christian/Christianity and Bin Laden with Scott Roeder and you just described the radical Evangelical Christian movement.

Both are wrong.

But I wouldn’t call Roeder’s act a Christian one, and I would not call the beheading in London an Islamic attack. And I’m going to downding Killgore’s comment that does.

37 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:22:42pm

re: #34 Stanghazi

Ripe for Islamophobes. Add in Great Britain & no guns, we’ll be hearing from Pam, Spencer & Gaffney shortly.

Yep.

Oh yeah. They are both going at it full bore.

38 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:23:33pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

But I wouldn’t call Roeder’s act a Christian one, and I would not call the beheading in London an Islamic attack. And I’m going to downding Killgore’s comment that does.

My point exactly. Thank you for distilling it down to the basics.

39 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:24:36pm

re: #35 Bubblehead II

Replace Muslin & Islamic with Christian/Christianity and Bin Laden with Scott Roeder and you just described the radical Evangelical Christian movement.

Both are wrong.

Agreed. Even Fred Phelps and Co. They are oddballs and hardly represent all Christians but they do have a theological foundation in Christianity. They are Christians.

40 EPR-radar  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:26:46pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Agreed. Even Fred Phelps and Co. They are oddballs and hardly represent all Christians but they do have a theological foundation in Christianity. They are Christians.

If some member of the Phelps gang goes nuts and kills someone ‘on God’s orders’, how would such an event be a ‘Christian attack’?

41 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:30:26pm

Oh, ick. Somehow got on a spammers list: Subject “Israel Is The Antichrist, The Church Is The False Prophet” And it gets worse from there.

My reply? “What evil anti-christian drivel. Begone from my sight, Satan!” even though I doubt the twit will get the irony. A quick plonk into the spam folder should keep me from seeing anything from him again, I pray.

42 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:32:15pm

Here come the apologists….‘Was the machete supplied by William Hague?’

His bio includes Press TV, Guardian and counterpunch.
afshinrattansi.com

What a dick.

43 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:34:15pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

If some member of the Phelps gang goes nuts and kills someone ‘on God’s orders’, how would such an event be a ‘Christian attack’?

Because the God he believes in is from his interpretation on the new testament. He’s a Christian. No True Scottsman is a well known logical fallacy.

44 Joanne  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:35:15pm

I’m a bit lost as to why they’re calling a deranged act of violence a terrorist attack. Just because they’re Muslim? That helps no one. They’re giving “status” to two violent asshats.

45 erik_t  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:36:06pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Because the God he believes in is from his interpretation on the new testament. He’s a Christian. No True Scottsman is a well known logical fallacy.

Nobody would consider such an attack to be representative of mainstream Christianity, and describing it as a “Christian attack” would be as technically correct but functionally meaningless as calling it a “white attack” or an “earth attack” or a “milky way attack”.

46 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:36:49pm

re: #44 Joanne

I’m a bit lost as to why they’re calling a deranged act of violence a terrorist attack. Just because they’re Muslim? That helps no one. They’re giving “status” to two violent asshats.

Because of the statements they gave during the attack. They were very clear about their political and religious motivations.

47 wrenchwench  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:37:20pm

Back to the topic at the top:

48 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:39:24pm

re: #41 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, ick. Somehow got on a spammers list: Subject “Israel Is The Antichrist, The Church Is The False Prophet” And it gets worse from there.

My reply? “What evil anti-christian drivel. Begone from my sight, Satan!” even though I doubt the twit will get the irony. A quick plonk into the spam folder should keep me from seeing anything from him again, I pray.

Because my email address ends in jewish-history.com I get all kinds of weird spam. Some is anti-Semitic, some is Islamophobic, all kinds of missionary shit.

I just checked my SPAM folder and found these headers:
BILL STEIN A HATER OF TRUTH
PSALM 83 AND THE ISHMAELITES
Jésus, un ancêtre bien palestinien

I never, NEVER open these, much less actually respond to the retard/spambot that sends them.

49 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:39:37pm

re: #45 erik_t

Nobody would consider such an attack to be representative of mainstream Christianity, and describing it as a “Christian attack” would be as technically correct but functionally meaningless as calling it a “white attack” or an “earth attack” or a “milky way attack”.

So how about Bin Laden? Was he a Muslim? We gave him a Muslim funeral. His terrorism was motivated and justified by his religious belief system.

50 EPR-radar  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:41:21pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Because of the statements they gave during the attack. They were very clear about their political and religious motivations.

So the Phelps hypothetical would become a ‘Christian attack’ if some more or less Christian ravings were recorded in the attack? Perhaps if the attack was a firebombing of an abortion clinic, and they were quoting Randall Terry?

I don’t think so.

51 Joanne  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:42:14pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Because of the statements they gave during the attack. They were very clear about their political and religious motivations.

That doesn’t make them terrorists. When you apply that term broadly, it no longer has meaning. Bank robbers terrorize people in the bank. TERRORISTS! Shit, I got read ended and wound up in a neck brace. That accident terrorized me. What does “terrorist” mean when you apply it to everything?

52 erik_t  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:43:19pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

So how about Bin Laden? Was he a Muslim? We gave him a Muslim funeral. His terrorism was motivated and justified by his religious belief system.

His action was planned long-term, carried out by a large team of like-minded individuals recruited from several walks of life, backed to a considerable degree by a state that described itself as an Islamic state, and one of a series of attacks made by an organization that describes itself as Islamic.

If you absolutely demand to lump these two acts of violence in the same bin, far be it from me to stop you. However, I can’t think of many open-minded or productive reasons to do so.

53 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:43:20pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

Did you read the linked story? OMG is Rosen a nitwit. And this contractor guy, Mr.Kim (lord help me this sounds like a really awful spy novel), did either of these guys break any laws?

54 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:44:10pm

Whow! Stinky Beaumont just logged in. Ban hammer coming down?

55 AlexRogan  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:46:29pm

re: #54 Bubblehead II

Whow! Stinky Beaumont just logged in. Ban hammer coming down?

Cue the Jaws theme…

/we’re gonna need a bigger boat

56 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:46:59pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

Because my email address ends in jewish-history.com I get all kinds of weird spam. Some is anti-Semitic, some is Islamophobic, all kinds of missionary shit.

I just checked my SPAM folder and found these headers:
BILL STEIN A HATER OF TRUTH
PSALM 83 AND THE ISHMAELITES
Jésus, un ancêtre bien palestinien

I never, NEVER open these, much less actually respond to the retard/spambot that sends them.

I would expect not.

OTOH, thankfully, I rarely get that drivel and was curious where the idiot was going with it. It was just the usual intentional misreadings of Revelations for the most part, so I wise cracked and dumped it in the spam bucket.

57 wrenchwench  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:48:19pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

Did you read the linked story? OMG is Rosen a nitwit. And this contractor guy, Mr.Kim (lord help me this sounds like a really awful spy novel), did either of these guys break any laws?

If Kim gave info he was sworn not to reveal, he broke the law. If Rosen somehow induced Kim to do that, he may have broken the law, but if he was just asking, he probably didn’t.

58 EPR-radar  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:48:46pm

re: #52 erik_t

His action was planned long-term, carried out by a large team of like-minded individuals recruited from several walks of life, backed to a considerable degree by a state that described itself as an Islamic state, and one of a series of attacks made by an organization that describes itself as Islamic.

If you absolutely demand to lump these two acts of violence in the same bin, far be it from me to stop you. However, I can’t think of many open-minded or productive reasons to do so.

Another way to look at it is that ‘Islamic attack’ is actually meaningless. Islam by itself didn’t attack anyone.

‘Attack by Islamist terrorist’ is meaningful, but begs the question of whether the perpetrator really counts as a terrorist as opposed to a nut with some perceived grievances.

59 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:54:24pm

re: #52 erik_t

His action was planned long-term, carried out by a large team of like-minded individuals recruited from several walks of life, backed to a considerable degree by a state that described itself as an Islamic state, and one of a series of attacks made by an organization that describes itself as Islamic.

If you absolutely demand to lump these two acts of violence in the same bin, far be it from me to stop you. However, I can’t think of many open-minded or productive reasons to do so.

I’m not alone. The UK government has already determined this was a terror attack. I think most people would agree that this was terrorism. I’m afraid you’re in the minority on this one.

60 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:55:37pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

Also, I wonder if this is the first time Rosen pulled this crap. I don’t know the guy or what his track record is, but I guess the feds are looking at what he’s been up to.

61 Stoatly  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:56:02pm

re: #45 erik_t

Nobody would consider such an attack to be representative of mainstream Christianity, and describing it as a “Christian attack” would be as technically correct but functionally meaningless as calling it a “white attack” or an “earth attack” or a “milky way attack”.

But Phelps’ Christian beliefs are not irrelevant to his actions - in the way his being white are
Calling it simply a “Christian attack” is wrong without the context of his extremism, but to pretend his beliefs have no bearing is also wrong.

So to call the events in London a “Muslim attack” or “Islamic attack” is wrong, but to ignore the likely Islamist nature of what we know so far is daft.

(It’s unfortunate that the label “Islamist” for the extremists looks and sounds so close to “Islamic”, but other terms like “Salafist” or “Jihadist” seem problematic in one way or another)

62 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:56:15pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Will you PLEASE give me a spring frog update? And maybe a garden one too?
I haven’t been around much….

63 erik_t  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:57:14pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I’m not alone. The UK government has already determined this was a terror attack. I think most people would agree that this was terrorism. I’m afraid you’re in the minority on this one.

A most magnificent strawman, KT. You asked me if I’d call Bin Laden’s attack a “Muslim attack.” Here, I’ll quote your post again, in case you’ve forgotten what you said.

So how about Bin Laden? Was he a Muslim? We gave him a Muslim funeral. His terrorism was motivated and justified by his religious belief system.

Unless you actually consider “Muslim” and “terrorist” to be synonymous, I did not in any way address whether or not I’d call either of these events to be terrorism.

Hell, I don’t know, maybe you do. Ooga booga!

64 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:58:31pm

And another thread is de-railed. Yay.

65 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:59:39pm

re: #64 A Mom Anon

And another thread is de-railed. Yay.

It’s what he does best.

66 EPR-radar  Wed, May 22, 2013 5:59:59pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I’m not alone. The UK government has already determined this was a terror attack. I think most people would agree that this was terrorism. I’m afraid you’re in the minority on this one.

‘Attack by Islamist terrorist’ and ‘Islamic attack’ aren’t really synonyms. Words need to be used with precision here.

From my point of view, the first term is a reasonable way to describe the London beheading. The second term is not helpful, because it conflates Islam itself with terrorism.

67 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:00:46pm

re: #65 William Barnett-Lewis

Wonder what we’re not supposed to be talking about?

68 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:01:41pm

re: #62 Dancing along the light of day

Will you PLEASE give me a spring frog update? And maybe a garden one too?
I haven’t been around much….

Mating season is just winding down. I have new neighbors behind me and they love hearing the frogs. I switched to new fish in the pond and bought some Celestials. Since their eyes point upwards they are pretty poor hunters and the tadpoles that escape the breeding area into the main pond aren’t in much danger of being eaten. Tons of tadpoles in the pond and many already have legs. I think I’ll have an early frogmas this year.
How are things with you?

69 Kragar  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:02:33pm

re: #67 A Mom Anon

Wonder what we’re not supposed to be talking about?

Semicolons

70 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:06:39pm

re: #67 A Mom Anon

Wonder what we’re not supposed to be talking about?

Fox News reporter being investigated.

// Kilgore outed as a closet Republican. DF Swoons. Film at 11:00

71 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:08:38pm

re: #70 Bubblehead II

So,what is the solution then? Hmm. Decisions…..

72 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:09:16pm

re: #56 William Barnett-Lewis

I would expect not.

OTOH, thankfully, I rarely get that drivel and was curious where the idiot was going with it. It was just the usual intentional misreadings of Revelations for the most part, so I wise cracked and dumped it in the spam bucket.

Sometimes I will get a genuine inquiry from an honest, but clueless wingnut, responding to some historical document on my website, written by somebody who has been dead for 150 years.

Usually I will send out a boilerplate response, that these materials are original text and may contain opinions that are racist, sexist, etc. we do not endorse any opinions expressed by these 19th-century individuals and they are presented for purposes of historical research.

73 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:10:00pm

re: #66 EPR-radar

‘Attack by Islamist terrorist’ and ‘Islamic attack’ aren’t really synonyms. Words need to be used with precision here.

From my point of view, the first term is a reasonable way to describe the London beheading. The second term is not helpful, because it conflates Islam itself with terrorism.

Since we’re parsing words here I wouldn’t necessarily call these guys Islamists. The Boston bombers weren’t terribly observant Muslims and didn’t seem very interested in Islamic law or a global caliphate. Anyways, not all Islamists are terrorists either. It’s a belief system.
There are right wing terrorists, left wing terrorists, Muslim terrorists, etc. No individual terrorist represents the entirety of their fellow believers. I think that goes without saying. But things are what they are. Language should be precise but remember when wingnuts tried to replace “suicide bombers” with “homicide bombers”? Some things are just silly.
The attackers today were motivated by their interpretation of Islam.

74 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:10:21pm

re: #54 Bubblehead II

Whow! Stinky Beaumont just logged in. Ban hammer coming down?

We may not be seeing much more of whatnothonesty.

75 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:11:10pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

All is well. Haven’t been around too much. I get tired of the “news”, it’s all so negative!

76 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:11:55pm

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

We may not be seeing much more of whatnothonesty.


Soylent Green is Lizards!!

77 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:12:50pm

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Lizards and non-lizards respond to TEH BIG WRENCH, that is Stinky’s weapon of choice!

78 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:13:38pm

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

We may not be seeing much more of whatnothonesty.

Nah, he’s still here.

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79 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:15:19pm

re: #75 Dancing along the light of day

All is well. Haven’t been around too much. I get tired of the “news”, it’s all so negative!

Me too, it gets draining and I’m focusing on other more productive areas of politics and news these days anyways. Also finding much joy in the garden. I’m really getting back to basics in the garden. Beets, parsnips, carrots, potatoes, squash, beans, peas. Not many fancy experiments, just the old classics. Our ancestors grew these things for a reason.

80 Gus  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:18:27pm

So most journalists don’t try to “impact foreign policy” and in the case of Rosen this is a special case?

81 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:19:30pm
82 erik_t  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:19:40pm

deleted for derp

83 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:21:17pm

re: #80 Gus

So most journalists don’t try to “impact foreign policy” and in the case of Rosen this is a special case?

“You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war”.

84 Gus  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:22:07pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

“You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war”.

Yeah, it’s pretty strange ain’t it? I suppose Daniel Elsberg did it for laughs or something.

85 engineer cat  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:22:25pm

When a devastating tornado touched down in Moore, Okla., on Monday afternoon, Shayla Taylor was on the upper floor of the local hospital, in active labor with her second child.
As the floor shook “like an earthquake” beneath her and ceiling tiles and insulation fell overhead, the 25-year-old huddled with four nurses, braving both the peak contractions of childbirth and the wrath of the worst twister the veteran Oklahoman had ever endured…

…Three hours later, after doctors determined that the petite Taylor would need a cesarean section due to the baby’s size, she delivered Braeden Immanuel, a healthy 8-pound, 3-ounce boy

he shall be called braeden stormborn

86 freetoken  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:22:29pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Also finding much joy in the garden. I’m really getting back to basics in the garden. Beets, parsnips, carrots, potatoes, squash, beans, peas. Not many fancy experiments, just the old classics. Our ancestors grew these things for a reason.

They liked real food.

Speaking of which, the loquats are having a very short season. Very dry spring combined with some record hot days has forced many to be smaller than normal.

I did get a few mulberries too, though there are only a few trees around. Very short season here; as a kid (back in fly-over country) I remember climbing mulberry trees to eat the fruit, and the season seemed to last longer back there.

BTW, I’ve never seen any kids here eat the mulberries off the trees. I’m sure some must, but the locals don’t seem so aware of what is growing around them.

87 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:23:08pm

re: #84 Gus

Yeah, it’s pretty strange ain’t it? I suppose Daniel Elsberg did it for laughs or something.

He was willing and expecting to take the hit for it. We’ll see if Rosen is made of the same stuff.

88 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:27:16pm

re: #80 Gus

So most journalists don’t try to “impact foreign policy” and in the case of Rosen this is a special case?

Maybe they do, but the fact that Rosen specifically stated this was his goal for jeopardizing American sources in North Korea could be one reason why DOJ took this so seriously.

89 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:31:09pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Maybe they do, but the fact that Rosen specifically stated this was his goal for jeopardizing American sources in North Korea could be one reason why DOJ took this so seriously.

It’s a good thing that journalists stretch the bounds of loyalty and that government stretches the bounds of law to discourage them. It’s the Circle of Jerk.

90 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:31:10pm

I think the DOJ has been very heavy-handed and tin-eared with these investigations of journalists, but they’re not lying when they say there are national security issues with this kind of reporting.

91 PT Barnum  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:31:59pm

Had my first encounter with wingnuts on the hoof. Bunch of em were standing on a corner near where I work shouting various wharble garble about impeaching the president etc. I am proud to say I responded with a stiff middle finger.

92 PT Barnum  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:33:11pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

I think the DOJ has been very heavy-handed and tin-eared with these investigations of journalists, but they’re not lying when they say there are national security issues with this kind of reporting.

Charles,
I think it’s just as much about journalistic responsibility as it is about DOJ tactics. As much as I support the public’s right to know, I believe that right ends when it puts someone else’s life in danger.

93 Joanne  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:33:27pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

I think the DOJ has been very heavy-handed and tin-eared with these investigations of journalists, but they’re not lying when they say there are national security issues with this kind of reporting.

National security be damned. There’s a story/gotcha/fuck the admin/FTW to be had (made)!

It’s like no one cares about national security any longer.

94 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:34:00pm

When leaks like this happen, confidential sources in totalitarian governments like NK stop trusting the US government to keep their identities secret, and the information dries up.

95 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:34:43pm

Not to mention, it might even get people killed.

96 PT Barnum  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:35:47pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

Not to mention, it might even get people killed.

But that’s not important because we have 24 hours of airtime to fill!

97 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:39:38pm

Night Lizards. May your rock be warm and the Deity of your choice smile down upon you. Until tomorrow.

98 stabby  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:40:26pm

re: #91 PT Barnum

Had my first encounter with wingnuts on the hoof. Bunch of em were standing on a corner near where I work shouting various wharble garble about impeaching the president etc. I am proud to say I responded with a stiff middle finger.

Image: wharrgarblq.jpg

My lesson for the day, “do not google warblegarble with safe search off”

99 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:40:30pm

re: #92 PT Barnum

Charles,
I think it’s just as much about journalistic responsibility as it is about DOJ tactics. As much as I support the public’s right to know, I believe that right ends when it puts someone else’s life in danger.

This will always be a source of conflict in democratic societies, because market forces inevitably lead journalists to value THE BIG EXCLUSIVE more than almost anything else - while governments must be able to keep some things secret, in a cutthroat international community with some really bad actors.

There’s no easy solution.

100 PT Barnum  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:44:35pm

re: #98 stabby

Image: wharrgarblq.jpg

My lesson for the day, “do not google warblegarble with safe search off”

I have a dog that does that exact thing. Can run him ragged all over the back yard chasing the spray from the hose until he’s absolutely exhausted. Then he shakes himself off and comes inside for a long nap, which is the only way I get anything done without having him want to go outside every five minutes.

101 PT Barnum  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:47:15pm

re: #98 stabby

Image: wharrgarblq.jpg

My lesson for the day, “do not google warblegarble with safe search off”

Yep..time to get out the eyebleach.

102 stabby  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:48:10pm

Funniest comment this year:
littlegreenfootballs.com

103 PT Barnum  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:51:11pm

re: #102 stabby

Funniest comment this year:
littlegreenfootballs.com

I read bits of this earlier today, damn near had to buy a new laptop.

104 PT Barnum  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:53:05pm

Well lizards..time to hit the sack…I have to get up a bit earlier to get to the new job on time, but I don’t mind. I’m really enjoying it so far.

105 Gus  Wed, May 22, 2013 6:57:26pm

Sorry, lost my energy there. In any case, this a reflection of US law or US Code I guess. So it’s not a matter of the administration creating new laws or circumventing them. It’s all the result of laws like FISA and other and the post 9/11 security apparatus we’ve created in this country.

106 chadu  Wed, May 22, 2013 7:18:37pm

re: #1 piratedan

man this just screams fair and balanced to me…. let’s see how many of his peers just take it on faith that he was wronged or actually read the article regarding his intentions…. considering the job that they’ve done for the general public so far, betting on the former.

On all sides, we now have propagandists rather than journalists.

Perhaps Maddow and Tapper and Hersh escape the bubble, but I don’t know anymore.

107 chadu  Wed, May 22, 2013 7:24:39pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

So how about Bin Laden? Was he a Muslim? We gave him a Muslim funeral. His terrorism was motivated and justified by his religious belief system.

His dead terrorist ass was dumped at sea.

Terrorism is motivated and justified by bad brain circuitry, re-interpreting past problems into past/current politics and situations, not merely a philosophy or faith (though either can be co-opted by the mania).

108 chadu  Wed, May 22, 2013 7:26:02pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

BILL STEIN A HATER OF TRUTH

Ben Stein is just kinda a douchebag.

109 chadu  Wed, May 22, 2013 7:26:53pm

re: #62 Dancing along the light of day

Will you PLEASE give me a spring frog update? And maybe a garden one too?
I haven’t been around much….

Agreed.

110 austin_blue  Wed, May 22, 2013 7:42:57pm

re: #63 erik_t

A most magnificent strawman, KT. You asked me if I’d call Bin Laden’s attack a “Muslim attack.” Here, I’ll quote your post again, in case you’ve forgotten what you said.

Unless you actually consider “Muslim” and “terrorist” to be synonymous, I did not in any way address whether or not I’d call either of these events to be terrorism.

Hell, I don’t know, maybe you do. Ooga booga!

I don’t know, man, the attacker’s own words are pretty damning. And the blood-covered hands, the bloody cleaver and knife, and the guy without a head are pretty convincing. Are you suggesting he was an MI-5 plant?


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