Mayor Mike Bloomberg Apparently Targeted With Ricin Letters

Two letters sent to the Mayor have initially tested positive for ricin - a deadly toxin with no antidote
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The NYPD announced today that two letters mailed to Mayor Mike Bloomberg tested positive for the deadly toxin ricin.

The letters indicate the sender’s political disagreement with Bloomberg’s gun control position.

The anonymous threats to Bloomberg were opened in New York City on Friday, and by the director of the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns - of which Bloomberg is co-chairman - on Sunday.

Preliminary tests on both letters concluded that they contained the deadly toxin ricin, police said.

The writer of the letters made reference to debate on gun laws. Mayor Bloomberg is a strong supporter of gun control.

A law enforcement source told CBS News that the letter threatened ‘this is a taste of what’s to come if you come to take my gun,’ though the exact wording of the letter was not disclosed.

“The FBI has an investigation ongoing and so things like the exact wording and the postmarks, etc. we’re not going to disclose,” NYPD deputy commissioner Paul Browne told WCBS 880 and 1010 WINS. “It was a pink-orange oily substance that subsequently, in the preliminary tests, indicate the presence of ricin.”

This is an explicit case of domestic terrorism and the political nature of the letter further solidifies the fact that the person behind the letter intended to do harm to Bloomberg and/or cause Bloomberg to reconsider his gun control position.

It’s domestic terrorism with a side-dose of attempted assassination.

Several people who were exposed to the letter initially appeared asymptomatic, but an ESU officer who responded appeared to have minor symptoms that have abated (the toxicity is in the dose).

Civilian personnel in New York and Washington who came in contact with the opened letters remain asymptomatic, officials said. However, members of the NYPD Emergency Service Unit who came in contact with the letter that was opened at the city’s mail facility on Gold Street in Manhattan on Friday are being examined for minor symptoms of ricin exposure that they experienced on Saturday, which have since abated.

The person behind this, if the tests are confirmed, has engaged in multiple federal and state crimes, including use of weapon of mass destruction under 18 USC 2332a, attempted murder, and their New York State equivalents.

The letter was mailed from Shreveport, Louisiana.

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1 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:31:40pm

I promise not to give out any incorrect info on right wing haters in this thread. *


*not a factual statement.

2 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:35:13pm

The list of people who hate Bloomberg is very long.

3 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:35:55pm

Promoted!

(Let me know if you need to edit anything, lawhawk - if you go to the Pages Dashboard you can edit it, make changes, preview, and save, and I can just copy it to this post.)

4 erik_t  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:36:16pm
The letter was mailed from Shreveport, Louisiana.

Literally the least shocking final sentence of any news post, ever.

5 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:37:22pm

re: #4 erik_t

Literally the least shocking final sentence of any news post, ever.

Putting down ten bucks it was a Justin Wilson impersonator.

6 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:37:35pm

re: #4 erik_t

Literally the least shocking final sentence of any news post, ever.

Fuck Shreveport. We have more than enough nutjobs here in NYC. Why are they muscling in? Do New Yorkers go down to Shrevesport and poison their mayors?

7 darthstar  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:37:39pm
8 AlexRogan  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:38:00pm

re: #5 Decatur Deb

Putting down ten bucks it was a Justin Wilson impersonator.

“I guar-awn-tee!”

9 darthstar  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:38:08pm
10 EPR-radar  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:39:12pm

re: #4 erik_t

Literally the least shocking final sentence of any news post, ever.

I think the fact that the sender was a deranged gun nut was the least surprising part of the story. Such people could be anywhere in the US, so Shreveport specifically would be difficult to predict in advance.

11 erik_t  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:39:50pm

re: #10 EPR-radar

I think the fact that the sender was a deranged gun nut was the least surprising part of the story. Such people could be anywhere in the US, so Shreveport specifically would be difficult to predict in advance.

Sounds like someone’s never been to Shreveport.

/only half

12 jaunte  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:40:00pm

Shreveport is a pretty easy drive from Louie Gohmert’s congressional district.

13 EPR-radar  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:41:35pm

re: #11 erik_t

Sounds like someone’s never been to Shreveport.

/only half

True. But it is also true that wingnuts and sane people can be found pretty much everywhere.

14 Stanghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:42:51pm

re: #2 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The list of people who hate Bloomberg is very long.

I like him because he easily says fuck you!

(I call big gulp patriot for this)

15 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:43:37pm

Fire up the Lizard Signal to summon Reine for local coverage.

16 Targetpractice  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:46:58pm

FALSE FLAG!

17 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:48:49pm

re: #12 jaunte

Shreveport is a pretty easy drive from Louie Gohmert’s congressional district.

Fairly accurate description of Texas, from the highly recommended movie “Bernie”.

Youtube Video

East Texas is unmistakably more “southern” than the rest of the state.

18 jaunte  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:49:32pm

re: #16 Targetpractice


From comments at TheBlaze:
Image: Screen_Shot_2013-05-29_at_7.48.44_PM.png

19 AlexRogan  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:50:54pm

re: #18 jaunte

From comments at TheBlaze:
Image: Screen_Shot_2013-05-29_at_7.48.44_PM.png

Fucking bug-eyed, howl-at-the-moon insane.

20 Targetpractice  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:51:15pm

re: #18 jaunte

From comments at TheBlaze:
Image: Screen_Shot_2013-05-29_at_7.48.44_PM.png

Youtube Video

21 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:52:04pm

re: #18 jaunte

From comments at TheBlaze:

Image: Screen_Shot_2013-05-29_at_7.48.44_PM.png

They’ve been programmed to respond instantly with this stuff.

22 jaunte  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:52:57pm

Freepers follow suit:
Image: Screen_Shot_2013-05-29_at_7.52.16_PM.png

23 Mattand  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:53:21pm
The person behind this, if the tests are confirmed, has engaged in multiple federal and state crimes, including use of weapon of mass destruction under 18 USC 2332a, attempted murder, and their New York State equivalents.

This person also probably votes Republican, watches Fox News, and is a Tea Bagger who thinks his personal armory will help defeat the Ebil Gubmint.

No, I won’t be apologizing for the above.

24 austin_blue  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:53:54pm

re: #5 Decatur Deb

Putting down ten bucks it was a Justin Wilson impersonator.

Haaaaw, dat’s good!

25 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:53:57pm

The rise of the instant conspiracy theory.

26 jaunte  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:54:22pm

Double secret false flag.

27 Kragar  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:54:28pm

Liberal plants obviously.

28 darthstar  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:54:56pm

re: #27 Kragar

Liberal plants obviously.

Castor beans?

29 Kragar  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:55:00pm

The only way to stop a bad guy with a ricin letter is a good guy with a ricin letter.
///

30 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:55:01pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Thanks. I think we’re good as is. If there are updates, we can do it as it goes.

One of the questions that media outlets have been commenting on is why it took a few days for this story to come out - since the mailings were first uncovered Friday.

31 EPR-radar  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:55:42pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

The rise of the instant conspiracy theory.

To a wingnut, reality is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is pushing the RW narrative du jour.

32 austin_blue  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:57:06pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Fire up the Lizard Signal to summon Reine for local coverage.

Nah, she’s in Red Stick. Shreveport might as well be in another continent in re: to South Looziana.

33 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:58:49pm
34 jaunte  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:00:29pm

Shreveport history:

…The American rivers were still difficult to navigate, however, because of the presence of dead wood called snags, sawyers, or log jams. Shreve was appointed Superintendent of Western River Improvements in 1826 and charged with finding a solution to this problem. He had been working on a design for a “snagboat” since 1821, and he finally had it built in 1837. This craft, the Heliopolis, had a steam-powered windlass used to pull large concentrations of dead wood from the water. As a result of the success of his design, Shreve was ordered in 1832 by Secretary of War Lewis Cass to clear the Great Raft, 150 miles of dead wood on the Red River. Shreve successfully removed the Raft (despite inadequate funding) by 1839. The area of the Red River where the Raft was most concentrated is today his namesake city of Shreveport. en.wikipedia.org

35 EPR-radar  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:01:38pm

re: #33 lawhawk

Good for Bloomberg et al. Apparently, they are in the process of establishing a long term lobbying operation to counter the NRA. This may end up being a real threat to the stranglehold gun nuts in the US have on any issues relating to guns.

36 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:13:11pm

All I have to say is, I hope this isn’t another Elvis impersonator.

37 Kragar  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:14:48pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

All I have to say is, I hope this isn’t another Elvis impersonator.

This has all the hallmarks of a Nickelback cover band.

38 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:14:54pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

The Elvis impersonator was framed. It was the Wayne Newton impersonators we have to watch out for.

39 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:17:32pm

re: #37 Kragar

This has all the hallmarks of a Nickelback cover band.

Stryken. Not a cover band, actually Stryken.

40 Kragar  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:18:14pm

Christian radio host upset by female breadwinners: Women not designed to be providers

Reacting to news that mothers were now the primary source of income in 40 percent of U.S. households, Fischer claimed Wednesday that men were “designed to be breadwinners for their families.”

“That’s the way God set it up, that’s the way he designed it,” he continued. “Husbands are to use their stamina and their strength and their brainpower — not that they’re smarter than women, I’m not saying that — but God has given them a brain and the purpose for using their mental ability is to provide for their families.”

Women, on the other hand, were designed to focus on “making a home for her children and for her husband.”

Fisher also warned that men’s self-esteem was dependent upon their success as breadwiners. A wife that earned more money than her husband was a recipe for marital turmoil, he warned.

41 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:20:09pm

Eric son of Erick inches ever backwards in the race of atavism:

Fox Figures: Rise In Female Breadwinners Is A Sign Of Society’s Downfall

Fox’s Erick Erickson: “Look At the Natural World … The Male Typically Is The Dominant Role”

42 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:21:20pm

Eric Erickson claiming “liberals” are the “anti-science” ones because, well, NATURE!

43 funky chicken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:21:29pm

re: #5 Decatur Deb

Putting down ten bucks it was a Justin Wilson impersonator.

Hey, I used to watch his show all the time. Leave poor Justin alone!

44 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:22:25pm

I wonder if Eric knows that those “natural” world male animals he’s praising will often kill the children of other males or other families?

45 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:23:24pm

Erickson would give Dim Jim a run for his title, except that Erickson usually creates grammatically correct (or accepted) sentences.

46 Randall Gross  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:23:26pm

re: #38 lawhawk

Ferris?

47 funky chicken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:24:02pm

re: #40 Kragar

Christian radio host upset by female breadwinners: Women not designed to be providers

Oy. My husband can’t wait until my income can support us. What’s wrong with these guys?

48 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:24:45pm

re: #43 funky chicken

Hey, I used to watch his show all the time. Leave poor Justin alone!

The PBS show was a late phase. He did comedy records in the ,50s. (Life-long progressive Democrat.)

49 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:24:58pm

re: #41 freetoken

Eric son of Erick inches ever backwards in the race of atavism:

Fox Figures: Rise In Female Breadwinners Is A Sign Of Society’s Downfall

Oh fer cryin out loud.

Maybe he should look at our relatively minor sexual dimorphism when compared to other large primates, and perhaps join the 21st century by realizing our information based society revolves around intelligence and training, not size.

50 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:25:14pm

re: #41 freetoken

Eric son of Erick inches ever backwards in the race of atavism:

Fox Figures: Rise In Female Breadwinners Is A Sign Of Society’s Downfall

I hope he gets covered with bees, or maybe fire ants.

51 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:25:23pm

re: #45 freetoken

Erickson would give Dim Jim a run for his title, except that Erickson usually creates grammatically correct (or accepted) sentences.

Meh.

52 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:25:39pm

re: #50 Feline Fearless Leader

I hope he gets covered with bees, or maybe fire ants.

Or bees carrying fire ants.

53 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:25:49pm

re: #40 Kragar

Presumably he missed Proverbs 31? As I recall the good wife “considereth a field and buys it” among other things. That sounds like a woman making an investment without so much as telling her husband.

54 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:26:12pm

Here’s the Pew survey that has the religious right on fire:

Breadwinner Moms

55 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:26:29pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

Or bees carrying fire ants.

With tiny lasers.

56 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:27:24pm

re: #41 freetoken

Eric son of Erick inches ever backwards in the race of atavism:

Fox Figures: Rise In Female Breadwinners Is A Sign Of Society’s Downfall

Didn’t Greek and Roman societies eventually fall despite being highly patriarchal?

57 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:28:13pm

re: #55 Decatur Deb

With tiny lasers.

Don’t you mean frikken lasers?

58 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:28:27pm

re: #56 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Probably not patriarchal enough.

59 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:28:43pm

I think it is hilarious that Erickson and Dodd harp on the same issue at the same time as Fischer.

Three peas in a pod.

60 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:29:14pm

re: #53 calochortus

Presumably he missed Proverbs 31? As I recall the good wife “considereth a field and buys it” among other things. That sounds like a woman making an investment without so much as telling her husband.

You’re reading it wrong. My way is the only right way.

61 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:29:40pm

re: #56 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Didn’t Greek and Roman societies eventually fall despite being highly patriarchal?

Rome was doing OK until some exotic cult showed up from the Levant.

62 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:29:51pm

re: #59 freetoken

I think it is hilarious that Erickson and Dodd harp on the same issue at the same time as Fischer.

Three peas in a pod.

Three pees in a pod.

63 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:30:20pm

re: #54 freetoken

The ground is shifting under their feet.

64 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:30:48pm

re: #60 thedopefishlives

OK, how do they explain the reasonably independent woman of Proverbs?

I’ll go back to the old thing about a man of quality not being threatened by a woman of equality.

65 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:31:19pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Someone should take Erickson’s “look at the natural world” voice track and put it over one of those natural history videos of male lions killing cubs who are not his own.

66 EPR-radar  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:31:27pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Rome was doing OK until some exotic cult showed up from the Levant.

I think Rome would have fallen with or without Christianity. The rot was well underway once the Republic became an Empire.

67 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:32:11pm

re: #39 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Stryken. Not a cover band, actually Stryken.

I bet it was Enuff Z’Nuff

68 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:32:14pm

re: #64 calochortus

OK, how do they explain the reasonably independent woman of Proverbs?

I’ll go back to the old thing about a man of quality not being threatened by a woman of equality.

Well, you know, it’s kinda funny that you should ask that. When they go into the passage about the ideal woman, they talk about how she should be independent and smart. But then they say, “Nevertheless, she should still submit to her husband as it says in Ephesians 5.”

69 PeterWolf  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:32:58pm

My goodness, the most telling sign that the right wing is afraid of this story is that….on Fox’s website, it’s a small one line mention. The main article is currently that Obama’s apparent eyeing up selling off some FDR era utility has apparently has riled some ‘southern’ residents. And here I thought all those conservative types want the government to privatize everything. I’m shocked I tell you.

70 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:34:10pm

re: #68 thedopefishlives

Well, you know, it’s kinda funny that you should ask that. When they go into the passage about the ideal woman, they talk about how she should be independent and smart. But then they say, “Nevertheless, she should still submit to her husband as it says in Ephesians 5.”

Yes indeedy. That poor woman is going to get whiplash being independently submissive.

71 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:34:11pm

My first thought? That took longer than I expected.

72 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:34:19pm

I’m waiting for one of these wingnut commentators to start complaining about women being able to vote.

No, I’m not talking about Rushdoony and his followers, who already believe that to some degree. Rather, some of these others who want to “mainstream” themselves as the “moral majority” types.

73 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:35:17pm

re: #70 calochortus

Yes indeedy. That poor woman is going to get whiplash being independently submissive.

I kid you not. The cognitive dissonance in the fundamentalist movement is staggering. Although I freely admit that it’s an area of theology that I’m still kind of noodling in my own head - especially as I married a fiercely independent redhead who is fully capable of kicking my ass if I try to pull any of that “submit to me, woman!” crap.

74 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:35:19pm

re: #72 freetoken

I’m waiting for one of these wingnut commentators to start complaining about women being able to vote.

No, I’m not talking about Rushdoony and his followers, who already believe that to some degree. Rather, some of these others who want to “mainstream” themselves as the “moral majority” types.

There are certainly Freepers who have lamented that women have the vote.

75 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:35:46pm

re: #66 EPR-radar

I think Rome would have fallen with or without Christianity. The rot was well underway once the Republic became an Empire.

It was over by Sulla. He tried to hold it back, but ironically may have actually finished off the Republic by using main force to establish himself as dictator and pass his reforms. That set the precedent of marching on Rome; Caesar was not the first.

76 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:36:43pm

re: #73 thedopefishlives

Best of luck with getting that worked out without an overly bruised posterior.

77 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:38:37pm

re: #76 calochortus

Best of luck with getting that worked out without an overly bruised posterior.

Or face. She can kick me in the face. She’s a black belt.

78 jaunte  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:38:46pm

re: #69 PeterWolf
Bloomberg News:
“Obama Budget Ponders Sale of Tennessee Valley Authority”
Fox News:
“Republicans blast Obama proposal to sell Tennessee Valley Authority”

79 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:39:09pm

Since I’m ranting about wingnut atavism …

Remember that story about the little quiz for grade schoolers that has gotten a lot of buzz the past couple of weeks?

Well, the story keeps on going:

Recent controversy sparks new hope for Upstate Christian school

[…]

“Because the quiz is very simplistic, people take one glance at it and assume that we only teach creationism and do not have a high standard of academics,” said Angie Dentler, teacher at BRCA and parent to one of the fourth graders who took the quiz. “I bet our students have more knowledge of evolutionary theory than anyone at public school because they study it and they study it from many different angles – not just one angle that the textbook provides.”

[…]

So there.

Who would have thought that a take home quiz which pretends that literal creationism is truth about the real world was any indication of a school’s academic standards?

80 jaunte  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:40:50pm

re: #79 freetoken

“they study it from many different angles”

“Coughbullshit.”

81 klys and whatnot  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:42:07pm

Greetings from a metal tube 39,000 feet in the sky. With unreliable Internets.

The future, it is here.

82 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:42:27pm

Can’t watch any of the videos at Media Matters.

83 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:42:38pm

re: #66 EPR-radar

I think Rome would have fallen with or without Christianity. The rot was well underway once the Republic became an Empire.

There are about as many theories as there are authors of Shakespeare’s plays. Always liked the ‘cumulative effect of lead plumbing’.

84 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:42:43pm

re: #77 thedopefishlives

Or face. She can kick me in the face. She’s a black belt.

Hmmm, as a woman myself, I’d definite recommend against any flavor of “submit to me, woman” then.

85 efuseakay  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:43:17pm

re: #80 jaunte

“Coughbullshit.”

I think they meant “angels”.

86 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:44:11pm

re: #69 PeterWolf

It’s not just any old entity, but Obama’s considering privatizing the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). Lamar Alexander’s pretty much going to keep that from happening under any circumstances.

87 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:44:53pm

re: #84 calochortus

Hmmm, as a woman myself, I’d definite recommend against any flavor of “submit to me, woman” then.

Yeah, I never was of that particular bent myself. I’ve always wanted a partner rather than a sex-slave. Sad thing is, she comes from a fundamentalist family same as I do, and her elder sisters let themselves get beaten down (both emotionally and physically). She was determined not to let that happen to her, and I was determined to oblige her every wish.

88 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:45:31pm

re: #87 thedopefishlives

And I wish you both many, many happy years.

89 EPR-radar  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:45:54pm

re: #75 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It was over by Sulla. He tried to hold it back, but ironically may have actually finished off the Republic by using main force to establish himself as dictator and pass his reforms. That set the precedent of marching on Rome; Caesar was not the first.

It’s been a while since I looked at this, but as I recall, the political turmoil was more a symptom than a cause of Rome’s troubles. The main issue seems to have been the formation of a elite having great concentrated wealth, leaving everyone else with little or no stake in the society. In the later empire, this became very clear —- e.g. importing Goths et al. into the legions since there were no other options.

90 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:46:04pm

re: #41 freetoken

Eric son of Erick inches ever backwards in the race of atavism:

Fox Figures: Rise In Female Breadwinners Is A Sign Of Society’s Downfall

Um, really? Let’s see. Cases where the female is dominant. Mantises. Most spiders. Anglerfish. There’s lots more.

Oh and what about animals that are almost nothing but female. Aphids for example, or ants.

What about animals where the only contribution the male makes is biological. Tigers for example.

Eric, son of Eric, you are an ignorant dolt.

91 jaunte  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:46:10pm

re: #79 freetoken

“Answers in Genesis has since donated additional materials to the school’s library and encouraged their website readers to support BRCA. After Founder Ken Ham visited the school’s campus to speak with the fourth graders, he gave 100 signed copies of his book The Lie for the school to give away to donors of $250 or more.”

From the book description at Amazon:

THE BIBLE PROPHETICALLY WARNS that in the last days false teachers will introduce destructive lies among the people. Their purpose is to bring God’s truth into disrepute and to exploit believers by telling them made-up and imagined stories.

92 klys and whatnot  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:46:13pm

It has been a bumpy ride, especially over Texas.

I’m not sure I would pay for wifi again for another few years, as it seems completely incapable of actually supporting an Internet connection that allows functional use of a computer. But the whole concept is kind of cool.

And I did get to IM my husband and be like YOUR WIFE IS ON A PLANE.

93 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:47:16pm

The video could not be loaded, either because the server or network failed or because the format is not supported

94 klys and whatnot  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:48:58pm

Ok, I am going to cut off the fail and save my battery in the hope that the signal will be more constant on the next plane. But hooray, future!

(I just had to say hello, it was too cool.)

95 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:49:55pm

re: #86 lawhawk

It’s not just any old entity, but Obama’s considering privatizing the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). Lamar Alexander’s pretty much going to keep that from happening under any circumstances.

Because the GOP supports government subsidized utilities?

96 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:50:40pm

Most interesting.
My aunt had some dna testing done on various family members for genealogy purposes.
Turns out, no Italian whatsoever. None. Even though our great grandparents were from Italy. Must’ve taken Italian names after immigrating there.
Mostly Greek, Turkish, Iranian, Swede and UK.
Cool beans.

97 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:51:04pm

Absolutely, incredibly awesome.

Youtube Video

98 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:51:08pm

re: #86 lawhawk

It’s not just any old entity, but Obama’s considering privatizing the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). Lamar Alexander’s pretty much going to keep that from happening under any circumstances.

Which is really a riot, since the GOP Right was screaming for the ‘denationalization’ of TVA all through the ’50s and ’60s.

99 EPR-radar  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:52:36pm

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Which is really a riot, since the GOP Right was screaming for the ‘denationalization’ of TVA all through the ’50s and ’60s.

That is funny. Of course, the GOP right didn’t get many votes from that part of the country in the 50s and 60s, so everything remains easily explained.

100 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:54:19pm

re: #99 EPR-radar

That is funny. Of course, the GOP right didn’t get many votes from that part of the country in the 50s and 60s, so everything remains easily explained.

No FDR=no TVA=no Grand Ole Opry.

101 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:54:54pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

Most interesting.
My aunt had some dna testing done on various family members for genealogy purposes.
Turns out, no Italian whatsoever. None. Even though our great grandparents were from Italy. Must’ve taken Italian names after immigrating there.
Mostly Greek, Turkish, Iranian, Swede and UK.
Cool beans.

I’ve been doing a little genealogy lately, and while it is interesting, one must bear in mind that it could all be fiction depending on who was fooling around on the side anyway. My interest was more in what the lives of the last few generations were like (rather depressing in at least one case…) rather than the more distant Important People. I did find more craftspeople and urban residents on my mom’s side than I had expected. I thought it was peasants all the way down.

102 abolitionist  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:54:56pm

re: #91 jaunte

From the book description at Amazon:

See? Ken Ham is fulfilling biblical prophesy. /

103 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:55:54pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

Refer me to the test in question.

104 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:58:19pm

That Beatles Unplugged album is a revelation. A lot of people think George Martin was the real force behind the Beatles sound, but in these rough demos, sitting around in a room with a few instruments, you can hear everything wonderful that ended up in the final recordings.

105 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:59:59pm

re: #103 ProTARDISLiberal

“Science” test here.

106 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:01:01pm

re: #103 ProTARDISLiberal

Refer me to the test in question.

I’ll ask for specifics when I talk to her again.
re: #105 calochortus

“Science” test here.

…

107 Stanghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:01:24pm

250 episode of inside the actors studio.

Now.

Going to be good.

He was a pimp!!

108 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:02:58pm

re: #105 calochortus

I got nothing witty or funny to say. Just a very horrified feeling.

109 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:03:58pm

re: #108 ProTARDISLiberal

Yeah.

110 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:04:06pm

I’ll just assume they don’t know what they’re doing at MM.

111 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:06:40pm

re: #110 Gus

I’ll just assume they don’t know what they’re doing at MM.

The videos are working OK for me - did you try quitting/restarting?

112 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:07:19pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

The videos are working OK for me - did you try quitting/restarting?

Yeah. Cleared everything too. Testing direct MP4s and they open up.

113 sagehen  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:07:51pm

re: #86 lawhawk

It’s not just any old entity, but Obama’s considering privatizing the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). Lamar Alexander’s pretty much going to keep that from happening under any circumstances.

I don’t think obama has any interest in selling it, he’s doing that 11th-dimensional-chess thing to make the wingnuts defend government investment in development, infrastructure, non-profit, socialistic marxist HEY SQUIRREL!! ABORTION!!

114 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:08:45pm

Try something else…

115 efuseakay  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:08:54pm

Nova on PBS now about the Moore tornado. New footage I haven’t seen on YT or the news. Crazy.

116 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:12:15pm

re: #103 ProTARDISLiberal

dna.ancestry.com

It’s all I know so far.
Reliability? Beats me.

117 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:13:54pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

dna.ancestry.com

It’s all I know so far.
Reliability? Beats me.

Sounds like fun, though.

118 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:15:10pm

re: #90 Romantic Heretic

Ever hear of a KING bee? Ha.

119 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:15:14pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

dna.ancestry.com

It’s all I know so far.
Reliability? Beats me.

I’ve been thinking about doing that. I’m convinced that I’ve got some Spanish or Mediterrean blood since I tan decently for someone with my apparent heritage- Irish, German, Slovene, Slovak, possible Scot. I mean I know we all come from Africa originally of course but I think I’ve got some fairly recent at least by genetic standards ancestors that were from that region.

120 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:19:27pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

I’ve been thinking about doing that. I’m convinced that I’ve got some Spanish or Mediterrean blood since I tan decently for someone with my apparent heritage- Irish, German, Slovene, Slovak, possible Scot.

Yeah, I might possibly do that at some point, especially since my father’s side of the family is shrouded in mystery.

121 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:21:16pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

If I did that, I’m beginning to think that my family tree would geographically look like the Rashidun Caliphate+the Holy Roman Empire+Angevin Empire+the Viking-Era Scandinavian kingdoms. With the information from my maternal grandfather.

122 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:25:35pm

re: #120 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I might possibly do that at some point, especially since my father’s side of the family is shrouded in mystery.

It would be interesting because I think even those of us who think our genealogy is cut and clear would find some interesting things. I know I was shocked to find that my grandmother’s maternal grandparents were in fact born in Scotland. Don’t know if they were Irish emigrants or not but we had always thought that side was fully Irish.

123 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:25:38pm

re: #111 Charles Johnson

The videos are working OK for me - did you try quitting/restarting?

Reinstalled FF. Same deal. Turned off my AV. Nada again.

124 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:26:02pm

OT: I’ve spent the past couple of days having a serious battle with cigarette cravings. It seems the more I recover and the better I feel, the stronger the desire to smoke gets. It’s REALLY annoying.

As a matter of fact, yesterday I nearly caved: It was my first trip alone to the drug store, and all those cigarettes were just right there. Yeah, they’re stupid expensive (almost $9/pack in NJ), and I know starting to smoke again could seriously shorten my life or (worse) leave me disabled, but still the damned addiction is soooo strong (I smoked for 35+ years).

Anyway, I was feeling all twitchy & snarky over my deprivation, then I read the article below, which reminded me of the 19-year-old former cheerleader & friend/crush of A Mom Anon’s son who passed away just few days back from an aneurysm:

Arizona Twins Suffer Strokes at 26, Only Months Apart

Kathryn Tucker, a senior care coordinator for an Arizona insurance company, had just gone to bed when she felt a sharp pain the back of her head on the right side before her vision went out and she went numb.

Her brother was at her Chandler, Ariz., apartment and got her to the hospital where doctors at first dismissed her symptoms as a migraine with aura. But Tucker, only 26, was having a stroke.

“I was absolutely terrified,” said Tucker, who was sent home from the emergency room that day in July 2012 without medical intervention.

“I slept for three days straight,” she said. “Then, when I woke up, my vision was horrible. Everything was distorted and one-dimensional. I could barely get around.”

Her health deteriorated so she ended up going to an urgent care facility. From there, she was referred to a neurologist who diagnosed a stroke.

Nine months later to the day, her twin sister, Kimberly Tucker, suffered a stroke in exactly the same way, except on the left side. Kimberly Tucker had left school in Tucson to take care of her sister after her stroke. Then in April, their roles reversed. […]

Doctors say that lifestyle habits are linked to an increase in the incidence of strokes among young people. Kathryn Tucker was a smoker and had stopped using birth control just weeks before her stroke. She also was a migraine sufferer. […]

“Don’t think you are impervious to stroke,” said Kimberly Tucker, who is still undergoing therapy. “We think we are invincible until we are not. This taught us a huge lesson that we are not guaranteed great health and we need to take care of our bodies.” […]

That pretty much made the cravings evaporate.

Young lizards: Please, please, please mind your health—you may not feel the damage you’re doing to your body, but it’s there and will eventually bite you in the ass.

Older lizards: As long as you’re still kicking, it’s not too late to stop.

*climbs down from pulpit*

//Okay, okay, I’ll try not to get all preachy too often.

125 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:26:25pm

re: #121 ProTARDISLiberal

If I did that, I’m beginning to think that my family tree would geographically look like the Rashidun Caliphate+the Holy Roman Empire+Angevin Empire+the Viking-Era Scandinavian kingdoms. With the information from my maternal grandfather.

You’re lucky. The furthest back I can go is great great grandparents. Hell I finally saw what my Dad’s grandfather looked like for the first time when I was at my uncle’s.

126 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:28:34pm

re: #124 CuriousLurker

OT: I’ve spent the past couple of days having a serious battle with cigarette cravings. It seems the more I recover and the better I feel, the stronger the desire to smoke gets. It’s REALLY annoying.

As a matter of fact, yesterday I nearly caved: It was my first trip alone to the drug store, and all those cigarettes were just right there. Yeah, they’re stupid expensive (almost $9/pack in NJ), and I know starting to smoke again could seriously shorten my life or (worse) leave me disabled, but still the damned addiction is soooo strong (I smoked for 35+ years).

Anyway, I was feeling all twitchy & snarky over my deprivation, then I read this, which reminded me of the 19-year-old former cheerleader and friend/crush of A Mom Anon’s son who passed away just few days back from an aneurysm:

That pretty much made the cravings evaporate.

Young lizards: Please, please, please mind your health—you may not feel the damage you’re doing to your body, but it’s there and will eventually bite you in the ass.

Older lizards: As long as you’re still kicking, it’s not too late to stop.

*climbs down from pulpit*

//Okay, okay, I’ll try not to get all preachy too often.

Thanks for that CL. I decided last month that I was finally going to lose weight. 5 pounds so far. Had a little setback since I had a really bad cyst on my back but I’m back to working out every week day at the gym. Once the pool opens. It’s going to be mornings at the gym, afternoons doing laps, and evenings doing walking. Would love to get down to 200 by this time next year.

127 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:30:14pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

It would be interesting because I think even those of us who think our genealogy is cut and clear would find some interesting things. I know I was shocked to find that my grandmother’s maternal grandparents were in fact born in Scotland. Don’t know if they were Irish emigrants or not but we had always thought that side was fully Irish.

Yeah, the same is true of my father’s side. I thought it was pretty much straight Irish, but my grandmother disclosed, shortly before she died, that there was some German on her side. Not that I’m entirely surprised, but it was a bit of a shock.

128 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:30:17pm

re: #91 jaunte

From the book description at Amazon:

I’m an atheist, but I harbor the fond fantasy that the Last Times do actually occur, and the religious right discovers to their horror that they’re the liars, false prophets and workers of iniquity that Jesus was talking about.

129 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:31:48pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

Thanks for that CL. I decided last month that I was finally going to lose weight. 5 pounds so far. Had a little setback since I had a really bad cyst on my back but I’m back to working out every week day at the gym. Once the pool opens. It’s going to be mornings at the gym, afternoons doing laps, and evenings doing walking. Would love to get down to 200 by this time next year.

That’s great—keep at it! Don’t want to lose you. {{HW}}

Y’know, I’m more terrified of being permanently disabled than dying… *shudder*

130 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:34:51pm

re: #127 thedopefishlives

Yeah, the same is true of my father’s side. I thought it was pretty much straight Irish, but my grandmother disclosed, shortly before she died, that there was some German on her side. Not that I’m entirely surprised, but it was a bit of a shock.

Yeah we always assumed my grandmother was fully Irish too since she identified with it so much. Hell, she’s why I got interested in my Irish heritage and why I was so happy to be able to study there and in the part of the country where her dad’s folks came from.Another shocker I found was looking at my paternal grandfather’s census records and seeing that they used a different name than the name that was my mom’s maiden name. I really would love to find out more. What I’m really interested in is finding out about their stories but I think sadly that much of that is lost to history and time.

131 GeneJockey  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:35:01pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

You’re lucky. The furthest back I can go is great great grandparents. Hell I finally saw what my Dad’s grandfather looked like for the first time when I was at my uncle’s.

“Yeah, he’s that guy over in the corner. Didn’t anyone ever introduce you?”
//

Seriously, though - when my Dad’s parents went into a home, we got two big albums of old photos, as in 1880-1910 era. One of them was labeled, somewhat spottily, by my Grandfather after we got the book. Some were even wrong - I found different names on one or two, in my Great Grandfather’s hand.

The other one? No names. Not a damned one. Probably ancestors, at least some of them, but not a freakin’ clue who any of them were.

So, the last time I was at Dad’s, I pulled out all the pictures I could, and wrote the names, the era, and the likely location on each.

132 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:35:50pm

re: #129 CuriousLurker

That’s great—keep at it! Don’t want to lose you. {{HW}}

Y’know, I’m more terrified of being permanently disabled than dying… *shudder*

I am. I’ve discovered that my stubbornness is a virtue when it comes to working out.

133 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:37:33pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Yeah we always assumed my grandmother was fully Irish too since she identified with it so much. Hell, she’s why I got interested in my Irish heritage and why I was so happy to be able to study there and in the part of the country where her dad’s folks came from.Another shocker I found was looking at my paternal grandfather’s census records and seeing that they used a different name than the name that was my mom’s maiden name. I really would love to find out more. What I’m really interested in is finding out about their stories but I think sadly that much of that is lost to history and time.

Yeah. I lost both my grandfathers very early - one to pancreatic cancer, one to emphysema - and never got a chance to know them or to extract the history from them. Especially my paternal grandfather, we know nothing further back than his dad. Apparently, he and his dad weren’t exactly on the best of terms, and all that history is now lost. I may have to saddle up and spend some money on some ancestry sites if I’m serious about recovering that history. My mom’s side of the family, thankfully, kept impeccable records all the way back to Scotland.

134 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:39:34pm

re: #38 lawhawk

The Elvis impersonator was framed. It was the Wayne Newton impersonators we have to watch out for.

LOL.

Nice post, lawhawk. I very much enjoy how you always explain things so clearly.

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:40:18pm

Apparent goal by Chicago with less than two minutes left in current 1-1 tie with Detroit waved off by coincidental penalties behind the play right before the goal was scored. Blackhawk fans a bit irate. (This is a Game 7 to get into the Western Conference finals.)

And we now go to overtime.

136 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:41:26pm

re: #131 GeneJockey

Same thing with my husband’s side of the family. Lots and lots of unlabelled photos. I’m sure my father-in-law knew who these people were, but he never got around to writing it down. Sigh…

137 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:41:38pm

re: #133 thedopefishlives

Yeah. I lost both my grandfathers very early - one to pancreatic cancer, one to emphysema - and never got a chance to know them or to extract the history from them. Especially my paternal grandfather, we know nothing further back than his dad. Apparently, he and his dad weren’t exactly on the best of terms, and all that history is now lost. I may have to saddle up and spend some money on some ancestry sites if I’m serious about recovering that history. My mom’s side of the family, thankfully, kept impeccable records all the way back to Scotland.

I never knew my Dad’s Dad and that’s always bothered me. He’s always and I know this sounds silly but always felt like a huge legend since to hear my older cousins, aunts/uncles, and Dad talk about him. He just sounds like he was larger than life. That’s cool about your mom’s side. My one cousin’s mother has done tons of research. I think she traced them back all the way to the Norman invasion of England.

138 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:41:39pm

re: #124 CuriousLurker

I quit 7 yrs ago when an oral surgeon found a lesion in my mouth. It turns out it was an abrasion caused by a badly chipped back molar. I threw my cigarettes out that day. It wasn’t easy at all, I used nicotine patches for a couple weeks before my surgery, but the doctor told me I had to stop them no later than three days before I had to undergo anesthesia. I didn’t use them after the surgery. It was probably a month before I got through a day without wanting to smoke. It’s worth it though. I feel a lot better and have the stamina to hike and spend lots of time in the garden.

I also spent time doing stuff of a crafty nature, spool knitting, origami, that kind of stuff, just to occupy my hands. I never believed the people who told me kicking nicotine was as hard as narcotics, but I don’t doubt it now.

139 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:43:01pm

Testing.

140 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:43:05pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

I never knew my Dad’s Dad and that’s always bothered me. He’s always and I know this sounds silly but always felt like a huge legend since to hear my older cousins, aunts/uncles, and Dad talk about him. He just sounds like he was larger than life. That’s cool about your mom’s side. My one cousin’s mother has done tons of research. I think she traced them back all the way to the Norman invasion of England.

My grandfathers served in WWII - apparently, my dad’s dad was a fighter and was dishonorably discharged, but my mom’s dad served in the Pacific and earned a Purple Heart (I’d be interested to hear how). They’re two of the reasons I hold our military in such strong regard. It runs in the blood, as it were.

141 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:45:01pm

re: #140 thedopefishlives

My grandfathers served in WWII - apparently, my dad’s dad was a fighter and was dishonorably discharged, but my mom’s dad served in the Pacific and earned a Purple Heart (I’d be interested to hear how). They’re two of the reasons I hold our military in such strong regard. It runs in the blood, as it were.

My grandfather was a cook aboard the USS Sibley.

142 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:46:03pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

My grandfather was a cook aboard the USS Sibley.

Mom’s dad was an aircraft mechanic with the Army Air Force.

143 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:46:55pm

re: #140 thedopefishlives

My grandfathers served in WWII - apparently, my dad’s dad was a fighter and was dishonorably discharged, but my mom’s dad served in the Pacific and earned a Purple Heart (I’d be interested to hear how). They’re two of the reasons I hold our military in such strong regard. It runs in the blood, as it were.

This is the funny thing about my family. My one grandfather was too young- 12 when Pearl happened but later ended up in Korea. Dad’s Dad though, apparently he wanted to serve but he had some back problem but him and my grandmother also had two kids by then. Plus he was a rising star at the government agency he worked in. It’s crazy to think that eevn though I’m 25, that I have two grandparents who would be 100 if they were still alive.

144 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:47:36pm

re: #133 thedopefishlives

Yeah. I lost both my grandfathers very early - one to pancreatic cancer, one to emphysema - and never got a chance to know them or to extract the history from them. Especially my paternal grandfather, we know nothing further back than his dad. Apparently, he and his dad weren’t exactly on the best of terms, and all that history is now lost. I may have to saddle up and spend some money on some ancestry sites if I’m serious about recovering that history. My mom’s side of the family, thankfully, kept impeccable records all the way back to Scotland.

You can do some things on Ancestry.com and other sites with a free membership, and public libraries may have free resources as well-including a library subscription to Ancestry that lets you get a lot more Ancestry info free. The LDS Church has FamilySearch.com as well as genealogical research centers at some of their churches. If you’re lucky enough to have Finnish ancestors, the Hiski Project is your friend. There are quite a lot of resources available on line.
Sadly, none of these resources have helped me track down the origins of my great-great grandfather, “Walter Smith”, so that particular line of inquiry is going nowhere, LOL.

145 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:47:44pm

re: #123 Gus

Reinstalled FF. Same deal. Turned off my AV. Nada again.

I’m having the same issue in FF.

146 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:49:04pm

re: #118 A Mom Anon

Ever hear of a KING bee? Ha.

They call them drones, and their genitals explode when they mate. Going out with a bang, as it were.

147 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:49:42pm

re: #144 calochortus

I’m certainly looking into it. I can already tell you the LDS church won’t go anywhere in my family tree, heh.

Night Lizardim. And thanks for the fun conversations.

148 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:50:09pm

re: #146 Romantic Heretic

They call them drones, and their genitals explode when they mate. Going out with a bang, as it were.

Well, that sucks.

149 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:51:52pm

re: #147 thedopefishlives

I’m certainly looking into it. I can already tell you the LDS church won’t go anywhere in my family tree, heh.

Night Lizardim. And thanks for the fun conversations.

The LDS Church does everyone’s genealogy. They are like vacuum cleaner for genealogical information. Censuses, Swedish church records, everything. And the volunteers at the genealogical centers are nice.

150 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:53:15pm

re: #138 A Mom Anon

I quit 7 yrs ago when an oral surgeon found a lesion in my mouth. It turns out it was an abrasion caused by a badly chipped back molar. I threw my cigarettes out that day. It wasn’t easy at all, I used nicotine patches for a couple weeks before my surgery, but the doctor told me I had to stop them no later than three days before I had to undergo anesthesia. I didn’t use them after the surgery. It was probably a month before I got through a day without wanting to smoke. It’s worth it though. I feel a lot better and have the stamina to hike and spend lots of time in the garden.

I also spent time doing stuff of a crafty nature, spool knitting, origami, that kind of stuff, just to occupy my hands. I never believed the people who told me kicking nicotine was as hard as narcotics, but I don’t doubt it now.

It’s been exactly a month for me today. I hope it slacks off a bit soon. Good to hear you quit. I definitely feel the difference in my breathing, but haven’t yet worked up the nerve to climb the hill that preceded my “attack”.

My last nurse before I was released to come home told me it took her 5 fricking years to stop jonesing for a smoke. I hope to hell it doesn’t take me THAT long. O_o

151 dragonath  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:53:27pm

re: #146 Romantic Heretic

They call them drones, and their genitals explode when they mate. Going out with a bang, as it were.

Erickson is a drone, but I think his brain exploded instead.

152 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:53:32pm

More calm, rational discourse from the gun nuts:

Leader of Armed March On Washington Calls For ‘Revolutionary Army’ To Topple Government

A new American revolution is long overdue. This revolution has been brewing in the hearts and minds of the people for many years, but this Independence Day, it shall take a new form as the American Revolutionary Army will march on each state capital to demand that the governors of these 50 states immediately initiate the process of an orderly dissolution of the federal government through secession and reclamation of federally held property. Should one whole year from this July 4th pass while the crimes of this government are allowed to continue, we may have passed the point at which non-violent revolution becomes impossible.

The time to sit idly by has passed. To remain neutral is to be complicit, just doing your job is not an excuse, and the line in the sand has been drawn between the people, and the criminals in Washington, D.C. While some timid souls will say that it is too early, that we can solve this problem through democratic means provided by government, that current levels of taxation are reasonable for the services provided, and that the crimes of this government are merely a tolerable nuisance, it may already be too late.

153 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:53:38pm

Anyone know of a good place to find cemetery or burial records. Been to the graves of my mom’s grandparents before but I have no idea where my dad’s are buried- if they’re buried at all. Not sure when cremation started becoming a popular thing.

154 LWNJ  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:54:16pm

re: #124 CuriousLurker

OT: I’ve spent the past couple of days having a serious battle with cigarette cravings. It seems the more I recover and the better I feel, the stronger the desire to smoke gets. It’s REALLY annoying.

Next time you’re in the drugstore, get the gum. I’d never have been able to stay off without it. And tapering off from it was pretty easy. (I also smoked for many years before I finally quit.)

155 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:54:48pm

re: #152 Lidane

More calm, rational discourse from the gun nuts:

Leader of Armed March On Washington Calls For ‘Revolutionary Army’ To Topple Government

No wonder why DCPD wants to watch these guys like hawks.

156 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:54:48pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

I could list here, but it would be stupid too. Suffice to say, my Mom’s side screwed around enough that I am likely distantly related to at least a few you.

Records in many cases go back at least to the 1600’s. And in one spot, the 1200’s.

157 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:54:50pm

re: #152 Lidane

More calm, rational discourse from the gun nuts:

Leader of Armed March On Washington Calls For ‘Revolutionary Army’ To Topple Government

Patriotism!

158 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:55:00pm

re: #90 Romantic Heretic

Um, really? Let’s see. Cases where the female is dominant. Mantises. Most spiders. Anglerfish. There’s lots more.

Oh and what about animals that are almost nothing but female. Aphids for example, or ants.

What about animals where the only contribution the male makes is biological. Tigers for example.

Eric, son of Eric, you are an ignorant dolt.

Much more simply, Eric and his Patriarchy Pals are ignored that through most of history and in the present day, women work their asses off alongside their husbands just to subsist, in addition to doing domestic labor.

The fantasy of the helpmeet wife is a concoction of class, entitlement, and patriarchy. As is this horrified reaction to “breadwinner” women which seems not to contemplate how single-parent homes might come about.

159 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:56:19pm

re: #145 CuriousLurker

I’m having the same issue in FF.

OK, thanks! I wonder if the boneheads broke it with FF 21.

160 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:56:19pm

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

I could list here, but it would be stupid too. Suffice to say, my Mom’s side screwed around enough that I am likely distantly related to at least a few you.

Records in many cases go back at least to the 1600’s. And in one spot, the 1200’s.

I think I heard somewhere that a good fraction of people in Europe and Asia are direct descendants of Charlamagne and Genghis Khan respectively. Man those dudes got around. Another popular ancestor I see is Edward III.

161 ninja cat  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:56:38pm

re: #124 CuriousLurker

Good for you for not giving in. Great for you actually. Smoker for 25 years, am making first serious attempt at quitting, June 1st is the day. Using Wellbutrin, so far so good.

162 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:57:21pm

re: #159 Gus

OK, thanks! I wonder if the boneheads broke it with FF 21.

What’s not working?

163 BigPapa  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:59:01pm

To recent quitters: you can do it. You really can.

One craving at a time, all you need to do is make it through this one craving. Worry about the next one when it happens.

Once craving, one day at a time.

I never thought I’d be able to quit, I thought I’d die from it. But I did it. You can too.

Just wait until you have smoking dreams: you dream that you smoked, or started smoking again, only to wake up and realize you’re not a smoker… hard to describe how awesome that is.

Just make it though this craving. Worry about the next one when it happens… they always pass.

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:59:08pm

re: #140 thedopefishlives

My grandfathers served in WWII - apparently, my dad’s dad was a fighter and was dishonorably discharged, but my mom’s dad served in the Pacific and earned a Purple Heart (I’d be interested to hear how). They’re two of the reasons I hold our military in such strong regard. It runs in the blood, as it were.

My maternal grandfather was a WWI vet who was wounded in October of 1918. He died from emphysema back in 1977 or so when I was still pretty young. So I never got to know much about what he did when he was younger. Apparently the military experience traumatized him enough that he never talked about it.

My brother and I have traced some data on his service (his military service records themselves were probably lost in a fire back in the early 80s) and have discussed possibly going over to France in the next 4-5 years during the WWI centennial and possibly visiting the area where he was serving.

And I have the lapel pin of his division insignia that he had at one time.

Image: Lightning_bolt_lapel_pin.jpg

165 BigPapa  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:59:41pm

I’m 14 yrs in. That door is shut and will never open again.

166 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:59:47pm

re: #144 calochortus

Be very, very careful in using Mormon resources. I respect my dead ancestors, and hence, don’t want to disgrace them by them having an after-death baptism.

Remember, the whole thing Holocaust Victims being baptized from beyond the grave. Not to mention, I had relatives already here during the Utah War kerfuffle, and worried about if I had an ancestor on that expedition. I would prefer them not being slandered when they cannot speak out. My family has always been loyal to the US. Family fought in the Revolution, possibly the Civil War (anywhere have records of Union Vets?), and definitely WWII.

167 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:00:22pm

re: #162 Varek Raith

What’s not working?

The videos at Media Matters won’t load. Getting this message:

The video could not be loaded, either because the server or network failed or because the format is not supported…

But the direct MP4 will load.

168 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:01:05pm

re: #167 Gus

The videos at Media Matters won’t load. Getting this message:

But the direct MP4 will load.

Goes to check…

Yep, broken.

169 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:01:26pm

re: #154 LWNJ

Next time you’re in the drugstore, get the gum. I’d never have been able to stay off without it. And tapering off from it was pretty easy. (I also smoked for many years before I finally quit.)

Good for you! And, thanks, I’ll give gum a try. I already do mints, but maybe chewing will be a better distraction.

re: #161 ninja cat

Good for you for not giving in. Great for you actually. Smoker for 25 years, am making first serious attempt at quitting, June 1st is the day. Using Wellbutrin, so far so good.

Great! *high five*

I’m happy to know I’m not alone. ;)

170 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:02:16pm

re: #163 BigPapa

To recent quitters: you can do it. You really can.

One craving at a time, all you need to do is make it through this one craving. Worry about the next one when it happens.

Once craving, one day at a time.

I never thought I’d be able to quit, I thought I’d die from it. But I did it. You can too.

Just wait until you have smoking dreams: you dream that you smoked, or started smoking again, only to wake up and realize you’re not a smoker… hard to describe how awesome that is.

Just make it though this craving. Worry about the next one when it happens… they always pass.

Great advice, thanks. Sounds a lot less daunting that way.

171 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:02:18pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Findagrave.com might be useful. They have a random assortment of information but it’s worth a try.

172 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:04:06pm

re: #171 calochortus

Speaking of which, does anyone know where Ambassador Blood of the Blood Telegram is buried?

I want to go and leave flowers for a man who spoke up against the Bengali Genocide.

173 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:04:17pm

Speaking of emigration. I think one of the most underrated scenes in the Godfather trilogy is the Ellis Island scene. No one ever talks about it since it’s not like the Baptism montage or has a memorable line like “Leave the gun, take the cannoli” but seeing those immigrants with their hopes and dreams staring at the Statue of Liberty and then giving their names to the registrar on Ellis and receiving in many cases new names. It’s just a great scene and I always always think of my Mom’s grandparents especially who emigrated to America around the same time as the fictional Vito Corleone- early 1900’s.

174 dragonath  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:05:29pm

I’m late for the last thread, but it’s still worth posting this article where the National Review says women should celebrate Phyllis Schafly.

Most of America’s girls typically don’t get to celebrate Phyllis Schlafly during “Women’s History Month,” but they should. Mrs. Schlafly not only had the right idea when she fought the Equal Rights Amendment during the 70s, but predictions she made back then are still accurate today.

…

While explaining why the big push for the federal Equal Rights Amendment ultimately failed, in her book Feminist Fantasies Schlafly reprinted some of her old objections: “ERA would put ‘gay rights’ into the U.S. Constitution because the word in the amendment is ‘sex,’ not ‘women.’ Eminent authorities have stated that ERA would legalize the granting of marriage licenses to same-sex couples and generally implement the gay and lesbian agenda.

“The Gay and Lesbian Agenda”…

Conservative intellectualism, folks!

175 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:07:00pm

Okay, sleepytime. Thanks to all for your encouragement, advice, and moral support.

Have a great night.

176 LWNJ  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:07:36pm

re: #169 CuriousLurker

Good for you! And, thanks, I’ll give gum a try. I already do mints, but maybe chewing will be a better distraction.

Actually, I meant nicotine gum. It’s a way to wean yourself of the addiction a little at a time. Since it makes the cravings much weaker (at least it did for me), it makes them easier to withstand, and I found that after I’d stopped with the gum, the cravings continued to be weaker. (They go away, eventually — or they did for me.)

177 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:09:10pm

re: #174 dragonath

I’m late for the last thread, but it’s still worth posting this article where the National Review says women should celebrate Phyllis Schafly.

“The Gay and Lesbian Agenda”…

Conservative intellectualism, folks!

It’s also worth noting that every Republican nominee for president from Eisenhower to Ford supported ERA. Okay, not sure totally about Goldwater. And lol at Kathryn Lopez wanting girls to celebrate Phyillis. Phyillis, who has made her career and name telling women that they shouldn’t work outside the home. Yeah that’s a great role model. Lopez is a clueless hack just like the other idiots who write for that rag.

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:09:27pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Anyone know of a good place to find cemetery or burial records. Been to the graves of my mom’s grandparents before but I have no idea where my dad’s are buried- if they’re buried at all. Not sure when cremation started becoming a popular thing.

I was lucky in that sense since an uncle did some genealogy work on my father’s family back in the 60s. And that referenced a book that at some time was downloaded into ancestry.com or one of those sites. So it referred to various cemeteries in one area near the town my father was from in addition to the one that I knew my grandparents were buried in.

And then I actually found two of the cemeteries a few years back and took pictures of all the tombstones I could find with the known family surnames on them. And that gave me names to ask my aunts and older cousins about which brought up some very interesting stories.

179 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:09:38pm

re: #176 LWNJ

Actually, I meant nicotine gum. It’s a way to wean yourself of the addiction a little at a time. Since it makes the cravings much weaker (at least it did for me), it makes them easier to withstand, and I found that after I’d stopped with the gum, the cravings continued to be weaker. (They go away, eventually — or they did for me.)

Noted, thanks for clearing that up. I tried the patch a few years back, but it irritated the hell out of my skin and didn’t really help with the cravings (then again, at the time I didn’t have the same incentive I have now).

180 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:09:43pm

re: #166 ProTARDISLiberal

The Mormons already have this information. My accessing it won’t make a difference. As an atheist, I also don’t care if they baptize me or my relatives.

181 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:10:29pm

Whoooo graduation day!

Sincerely, The Mountain that Blogs, M.D.

182 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:11:14pm

Meanwhile, in Final Fantasy News:

Japan’s premier gaming magazine, Famitsu, has some updates on some of Square Enix’s current titles in development. Here’s where things currently stand:

Final Fantasy X HD - 80%

Final Fantasy X-2 HD - 65%

Final Fantasy VIII (PC) - 80%

Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - 70%

It’s a bit sad to see that only games with 65%+ are reported, and aside from Lightning Returns, they’re all ports of older games. Final Fantasy Versus XIII is both conspicuously and inconspicuously missing from the report.

183 LWNJ  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:12:52pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

Noted, thanks for clearing that up. I tried the patch a few years back, but it irritated the hell out of my skin and didn’t really help with the cravings (then again, at the time I didn’t have the same incentive I have now).

I never tried the patch, but the other thing about the gum is that you’re killing your craving by sucking and swallowing — not quite the same as inhaling, but it FEELS like what happens when you smoke a cigarette. And it provides the same up-and-down cycle as cigarette smoking does, unlike the patch (I would think).

184 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:13:55pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

Talk to the doc about this CL, nicotine causes blood vessels to constrict, it might not be a good thing for your head. I’m not a doctor of course, but it would be a good idea to be sure it’s ok.

185 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:14:39pm

re: #181 The Mountain That Blogs

Congrats!

186 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:15:17pm

re: #169 CuriousLurker

Good for you! And, thanks, I’ll give gum a try. I already do mints, but maybe chewing will be a better distraction.

re: #161 ninja cat

Great! *high five*

I’m happy to know I’m not alone. ;)

I finally succeeded using Chantix. This was before the “scare” and I had no problems with it. The other thing that helps is to change your routine. I was in driving school (big rigs) at the time so nothing was the same. Do things differently - get up and do breakfast differently, perhaps take a walk even around the block before eating, don’t have a coffee if that was something you always smoked with - drink tea instead. And so on through the day. Interrupt the way you used to live and that will help you avoid having the cravings that are from missing the things you always used to do.

187 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:15:39pm

What I love about Lopez’s piece though is that she shows how hypocritical right wingers are when it comes to education and the study of history. They’re always whining that groups like Hispanic-Americans, Asian-Americans, African-Americans, etc get focus but here she is advocating that a conservative hero get paid attention to because she’s a conservative. Really, Phyillis Schalfry’s act was tired in the 60’s. Today, it just needs to be taken out to the backyard and shot to use a metaphor.

188 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:16:57pm

And with that, I’m off for the night. I need sleep, this has been a rough week and it’s only Wednesday,lol. Nite Oh Scaly Ones…

189 CuriousLurker  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:19:34pm

re: #181 The Mountain That Blogs

Whoooo graduation day!

Sincerely, The Mountain that Blogs, M.D.

Kudos!

re: #184 A Mom Anon

Talk to the doc about this CL, nicotine causes blood vessels to constrict, it might not be a good thing for your head. I’m not a doctor of course, but it would be a good idea to be sure it’s ok.

Good advice. I have a follow-up appointment with the neurosurgeon on Friday, so I’ll be sure to ask him.

re: #186 William Barnett-Lewis

I finally succeeded using Chantix. This was before the “scare” and I had no problems with it. The other thing that helps is to change your routine. I was in driving school (big rigs) at the time so nothing was the same. Do things differently - get up and do breakfast differently, perhaps take a walk even around the block before eating, don’t have a coffee if that was something you always smoked with - drink tea instead. And so on through the day. Interrupt the way you used to live and that will help you avoid having the cravings that are from missing the things you always used to do.

Also good advice. There are definitely triggers—I need to pay more attention to them.

And on that note, I’m really leaving this time.

Thanks again and g’nite, lizards. ;-)

190 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:19:47pm

re: #181 The Mountain That Blogs

Whoooo graduation day!

Sincerely, The Mountain that Blogs, M.D.

Now all you have to do is survive your residency…

191 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:25:07pm

re: #18 jaunte

re: #22 jaunte

Freepers follow suit:
Image: Screen_Shot_2013-05-29_at_7.52.16_PM.png

That was as predictable as the sunset.

Evening all. The Chicago Blackhawks completed their comeback tonight, defeating the Detroit Red Wings in the Game 7 of their last series as conference rivals. The 2-1 overtime win sends the Hawks to a showdown with the LA Kings starting Friday. The Kings won the Stanley Cup last year, but lost every one of their regular season games to the Blackhawks this year.

192 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:30:33pm

re: #174 dragonath

I’m late for the last thread, but it’s still worth posting this article where the National Review says women should celebrate Phyllis Schafly.

“The Gay and Lesbian Agenda”…

Conservative intellectualism, folks!

Wanting to be treated like everybody else. How dare they??

\\

193 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:35:28pm

re: #192 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Wanting to be treated like everybody else. How dare they??

\

That one and “homosexual lifestyle” always amuse me. Oh you mean breathing and just living life like the rest of us- that homosexual lifestyle? Really when our country’s divorce rate is at historic highs and in areas that are the most intolerant to homosexuals and homosexuality, then please shut the fuck up.

194 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:36:36pm

re: #174 dragonath

I’m late for the last thread, but it’s still worth posting this article where the National Review says women should celebrate Phyllis Schafly.

Celebrating Phyllis Schlafly would be like celebrating a lobotomy.

Thanks, but no, NRO. I’m kinda used to having freewill and earning my own money.

195 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:36:40pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Ancestry dot com is a good place to start!

196 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:40:00pm

re: #194 Lidane

Celebrating Phyllis Schlafly would be like celebrating a lobotomy.

Thanks, but no, NRO. I’m kinda used to having freewill and earning my own money.

Next up NRO will ask men to celebrate getting hit in the nuts because that’s pretty much what Ms. Lopez is doing when she’s suggesting that women celebrate Phyillis Schalfry, a woman who has made her career of all things telling women that they shouldn’t have careers. That’s what has always amused me about her. Phyillis talks about how terrible it is for women to work outside the home and that working mothers have ruined society but what has she done for a lifetime? Oh just that. I can’t stand the hypocrisy of that woman. I just wish she would fade away but because the right loves hanging on too old fossils like her, she’s only going away when she inevitably passes away.

197 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:40:16pm

re: #195 Dancing along the light of day

Ancestry dot com is a good place to start!

Thanks. I’ll do some research soon.

198 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:41:19pm

re: #190 calochortus

Yea, things hit the fan soon. But at the end of the day, residency is only a small part of a full career. Plus, they pay me. That helps.

199 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:47:29pm

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Anyone know of a good place to find cemetery or burial records. Been to the graves of my mom’s grandparents before but I have no idea where my dad’s are buried- if they’re buried at all. Not sure when cremation started becoming a popular thing.

findagrave.com

200 calochortus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:48:51pm

Almost time for Nova on PBS here, so I’ll say goodnight.

201 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:49:35pm

re: #194 Lidane

Celebrating Phyllis Schlafly would be like celebrating a lobotomy.

Thanks, but no, NRO. I’m kinda used to having freewill and earning my own money.

To be fair, though, that article is 7 years old. Schlafly has gotten a lot crazier since then, and Lopez no longer writes approvingly about her.

202 Interesting Times  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:49:38pm

re: #195 Dancing along the light of day

Oh hai. Was checking zooborns yesterday (for brain bleach purposes), and guess what I found? :D

203 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:51:28pm

Watching videos of Matt Smith and Jenna Louise Coleman interacting in interviews, I am beginning to think they are…special. Eccentric. Just a touch crazy.

204 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:51:52pm

re: #202 Interesting Times

Oh hai. Was checking zooborns yesterday (for brain bleach purposes), and guess what I found? :D

Very cute.

205 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:58:53pm

re: #202 Interesting Times

Awwww! re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Giggles. Yes, little ones are ALWAYS cute!

206 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:00:47pm

re: #205 Dancing along the light of day

Awwww! re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Giggles. Yes, little ones are ALWAYS cute!

And the adult ones aren’t bad looking either. [winks]

207 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:13:22pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Damn, I tell a joke and break the thread…

208 Mentis Fugit  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:15:00pm

re: #203 ProTARDISLiberal

Watching videos of Matt Smith and Jenna Louise Coleman interacting in interviews, I am beginning to think they are…special. Eccentric. Just a touch crazy.

I think you mean “British”.

The English, in particular, have a long tradition of valuing and playing up eccentricity. I think it varies in an inverse square relationship to the distance from Stonehenge.

209 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:19:56pm

re: #208 Mentis Fugit

A place where I won’t stick out like a sore thumb for weirdness (except the whole 6’5”, 150 lb thing (I am built like the Slender Man)).

Where is the plane ticket!?!

////

Seriously though, the interviews they give promoting Doctor Who are quite entertaining in their own right.

210 Varek Raith  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:21:21pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Damn, I tell a joke and break the thread…

Heh.

211 dragonath  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:24:04pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, though, that article is 7 years old. Schlafly has gotten a lot crazier since then, and Lopez no longer writes approvingly about her.

Eh, Schlafly was a heavy metal bigot all the way back in the 60s, caterwauling about the “gay agenda” even back then.

And if you think this is a one off, or just plain old, there’s a bevy of articles that echo the same remarks. From 2008:

With Schlafly looking on with a motherly (or Right sisterly) pride, Ingraham hit on it in her remarks: Conservatives see in Palin a commitment to values that are ignored and even scorned by popular culture and “the elites” — values that include, as Ingraham listed them: life, big families, hunting, patriotism, gun control, beating back bureaucracy, and holding government accountable.

2012:

The Eagle Forum radio program is normally hosted by Phyllis Schlafly. Today, it was hosted by her daughter, Anne Cori. We spent the hour talking about the Nobel Peace Prize.

On Ted Cruz, last year:

With Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, the Club for Growth, James Dobson, Eagle Forum, FreedomWorks, Fred Smith of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, Robert P. George, and the Tea Party Express all lined up on one side, why was the Republican party on the other?

The Eagle Forum is really nucking futs, you know. And so is the NRO! What a coincidence, huh?

212 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:31:20pm

re: #211 dragonath

Eh, Schlafly was a heavy metal bigot all the way back in the 60s, caterwauling about the “gay agenda” even back then.

And if you think this is a one off, or just plain old, there’s a bevy of articles that echo the same remarks. From 2008:

2012:

On Ted Cruz, last year:

The Eagle Forum is really nucking futs, you know. And so is the NRO! What a coincidence, huh?

You know, I come from a big family and I love being from a big family but I never would say that having a big family is a “value” or it makes one better than one with a small family. It’s always funny when conservatives whine about “elites” that they show elitism themselves whether it’s to urbanites, minorities, or whatever.

213 Kruk  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:17:20pm

re: #29 Kragar

re: #29 Kragar

The only way to stop a bad guy with a ricin letter is a good guy with a ricin letter.
///

You can take my ricin letter when you pry it from my cold, dead…eh? What do you mean, the stuff’s poisonous?

//

214 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:17:55pm

The world needs a lot of work:

El Salvador court denies seriously ill woman abortion

The Supreme Court of El Salvador has refused to allow a seriously ill pregnant woman to have an abortion, even though her foetus has almost no chance of survival.

Lawyers for the young woman - who suffers from lupus and kidney failure - had argued that continuing the pregnancy would place her life at risk.

The foetus itself is missing part or all of its brain.

All abortions are prohibited in El Salvador under any circumstances.

The constitution in the majority Roman Catholic country protects the right to life “from the moment of conception”.


[…]

This is what the “Personhood” people want for our society.

The BBC runs the story with an image with this caption:

Rights groups have argued that “Beatriz” should be entitled to an abortion, with this protester’s slogan reading: “Take your rosaries out of our ovaries.”

“Take your rosaries out of our ovaries.” I wonder if that slogan will take off.

215 BigPapa  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:23:34pm

Stabby FTW: 10 of 10 on the Bottom!

Go Stabs!

216 Kruk  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:25:28pm

re: #81 klys and whatnot

Greetings from a metal tube 39,000 feet in the sky. With unreliable Internets.

The future, it is here.

Metal…sky…net…

The future is ours. And it begins…now.

217 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:26:48pm

re: #215 BigPapa

Stabby FTW: 10 of 10 on the Bottom!

Go Stabs!

He needs to cool it, lest the ban stick be used upon him.

218 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:26:52pm

re: #215 BigPapa

F’er hasn’t been banned yet?

219 BeenHereAwhile  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:36:26pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

Absolutely, incredibly awesome.

[Embedded content]

All gods curse Mark David Chapman.

220 BigPapa  Wed, May 29, 2013 11:19:57pm

Since I’m an ex-smoker and others have made the jump, forgive my cheerleading.

What worked for me was really breaking it down to a day by day and craving by craving issue. Many situations that I would be encountering where I would typically smoke and be most tempted I was not, probably because I prepared myself for it. It was weird, but I had less problems in those situations.

The worst cravings were when I wasn’t prepared for them, not thinking of them, then they came. But you only have to make it to the other side of that craving. Don’t worry about smoking, how long you’ve smoked, and think you’ll never quit, and most importantly… do not cheat. You cannot just smoke a little.

You have to tell yourself you do not smoke anymore. You’re a non smoker. Just for another few hours, just today. Then tomorrow, just don’t smoke tomorrow. Don’t think big, think small. Just make it through the day, through that party, through that craving. Then the next one.

It’s like a door you shut. Every little craving is another little brick you lay covering that door over. Believe in yourself, believe you can do it. Your body will try to convince you you can’t, it will induce fear in you, convince you to give it the nicotine it wants. Don’t let it win.

The cravings are like bad dreams, nightmares: when you’re in them they’re all consuming because you believe you’re actually in them. Once you realize you’re in the bad dream the power dramatically reduces: cravings are the same. Once you realize you’re in one and your subconscious is trying to convince your conscience to find a way to rationalize the smoking, you’ve made it over the top. Just hold on a little longer… it will pass.

Then go lay another brick.

Then come the smoking dreams where you are smoking, and feeling like crap that you started again, feeling down… then you wake up and realize you’re still good, you’re still a non smoker. Those are freaking killer.

If you make it a little while, but then cheat. It’s OK. You started. You stuck your toe in the water. Just realize when you quit, you have to do it fully. If you need pharma, do it. If you need to sleep with a watermelon, do it.

Just do it.

221 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 11:52:44pm

MP3 Audio

222 darthstar  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:04:38am
223 freetoken  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:30:59am

Is history a luxury?

224 freetoken  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:41:55am

When looking at the sea of American reactionaries, especially the social ones, such as the contemporary creationist movement, I ask myself if they are really the dullards that they appear to be.

How we think - what goes on in our interior dialogue, the structure of our most inner conversations - is it generally the same in each of us?

Do some people not really allow themselves to ask questions, the hard questions, which can expose the fallacies that are marketed to us, and to each generation?

225 freetoken  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:19:01am

Late night long-haired moment: Saint-saens’ 3rd concerto for violin, mvt. 1:

MP3 Audio

226 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:52:25am

re: #33 lawhawk

Whoa. One of ricin-laced letters addressed to Mark Glaze, who leads Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

If we take illegal guns out the hands of criminals, then only illegal criminals will have legal guns!

227 freetoken  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:16:48am

Erroll Garner:

MP3 Audio

228 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:50:32am

Morning Lizards.

229 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:06:15am

re: #156 ProTARDISLiberal

I could list here, but it would be stupid too. Suffice to say, my Mom’s side screwed around enough that I am likely distantly related to at least a few you.

Records in many cases go back at least to the 1600’s. And in one spot, the 1200’s.

I may well order that Ancestry.com DNA test.

On my father’s side, one of my uncles traced back the family tree to the Roman Republic, which is sort of cool. There is one massive caveat in my particular case, however.

I’m adopted. And back in the day, the late 60s, adoptions were ‘closed’. Whoever my actual parents were, I genuinely have no idea. One tantalizing clue; my birth mother was only 16 when I was born.

I’ve been told, by Czechs, that I have distinctly Russian/Asian features, ie, the structure of my face, and I must say that Czechs are exceedingly good at spotting those who aren’t of their particular tribe. The most common thing I hear, largely from older Czechs, is that I’m a dead ringer for V.I. Lenin - as in ‘separated at birth?’ dead ringer.

It would be very interesting to find out what my actual ethnic background really is.

230 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:08:22am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

…The most common thing I hear, largely from older Czechs, is that I’m a dead ringer for V.I. Lenin - as in ‘separated at birth?’ dead ringer.

It would be very interesting to find out what my actual ethnic background really is.

Lenin is rumored to have been Jewish…

231 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:36:23am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

You know, I come from a big family and I love being from a big family but I never would say that having a big family is a “value” or it makes one better than one with a small family. It’s always funny when conservatives whine about “elites” that they show elitism themselves whether it’s to urbanites, minorities, or whatever.

I have a huge family but I wouldn’t call it a “value” more like a “bonus.”

It was hard, hard, hard raising 9 kids (while also going to school and then to work full time) but now it has totally paid off.

Also I like seeing my kids get payback. :)

232 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:47:42am

re: #230 Sol Berdinowitz

Lenin is rumored to have been Jewish…

That’s true. I’ve read that before, but to the best of established knowledge, his family was of either Kalmyk or Tatar extraction. However, things inevitably get murky when you go back far enough. EDIT: Lenin’s mother was of Russian-Jewish/Swedish-German heritage.

As to me, I honestly have no real idea. Heaven knows I don’t look Western Slavic, or German, or anything else. Some have said I look vaguely Scandinavian, but that’s more a reference to my body type, ie, long legs, high waist, long trunk and long arms.

233 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:50:16am

re: #223 freetoken

Is history a luxury?

For many people when it contradicts belief? Yes.

Humans generally prefer mythology to history.

234 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:04:31am

I see the “charity organization” is kicking Hamas out of Lebanon.

235 ninja cat  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:05:23am

re: #220 BigPapa

Thank you for your words of encouragement, I will try to remember those thoughts on Saturday and after.

236 Flounder  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:09:40am

Just a few suggestions if any Lizard would like to quit smoking. Go cold turkey, patches, gum, etc. just extend the pain of the breakup. You will always be addicted, you can’t have just one. I liked menthol cough drops, that tingling sensation help soothe the other tingling sensation. Good luck and take one day at a time. Seven days cold turkey is all you need.

237 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:12:16am

re: #236 Flounder

Just a few suggestions if any Lizard would like to quit smoking. Go cold turkey, patches, gum, etc. just extend the pain of the breakup. You will always be addicted, you can’t have just one. I liked menthol cough drops, that tingling sensation help soothe the other tingling sensation. Good luck and take one day at a time. Seven days cold turkey is all you need.

I’ll have to try that. The only time I successfully did quit smoking was cold turkey. Sadly, that only lasted seven months. Curse you, my old friend, who was chain-smoking while eating a cheeseburger!! You got me started up again!! [She knows who she is.]

238 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:15:06am
239 ninja cat  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:17:38am

re: #236 Flounder

Good idea, I will grab some cough drops at the store tomorrow. I have some hard candies but tend to crack them not long after putting them in my mouth, so something that doesn’t taste too good will help.

240 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:21:14am

Manhattanhenge! A skyscraper sunset stops traffic in New York City

New Yorkers were wowed on Wednesday by a sunset that was perfectly framed by skyscrapers, thanks to an urban astronomical phenomenon known as Manhattanhenge.

Wonder if Lawhawk has taken any pics of this?

241 Flounder  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:28:49am

re: #236 Flounder

And one more thing…no alcohol for a week.

242 Flounder  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:29:48am

re: #238 Gus

I wonder if they make the airplane sound, always worked for me!

243 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:32:48am
244 freetoken  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:35:04am

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

I may well order that Ancestry.com DNA test.

The general report of many who have taken their test is that the ethnicity report is not worth much. I’ve take the test but haven’t gotten the results back yet.

If however you just want to get hits on distant relatives the reports indicates you’ll get plenty of those, if your birth parents were the typical Americans.

Industry wide, it appears as if the 23andMe test gives the best ancestry (ethnicity results), though their emphasis is medical and not genealogy.

245 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:35:30am

re: #242 Flounder

I wonder if they make the airplane sound, always worked for me!

Looks like something out of Marathon Man.

246 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:36:08am

What good is saving the planet if humanity suffers! Aye?

//

247 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:45:16am

Hang on to your hats folks. Ann Romney is talking.

248 freetoken  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:45:42am

re: #247 Gus

Horse talk?

249 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:46:22am

re: #248 freetoken

Horse talk?

Election night.

250 freetoken  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:46:50am

re: #249 Gus

Election night.

I should have asked “horseshit”?

251 freetoken  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:48:09am

Why won’t the Romneys go away quietly?

I still wonder who is behind this Rehabilitate the Romneys program. Is it Mitt himself?

252 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:50:16am

Media outlets have interviewed Mayor Bloomberg following yesterday’s revelations that he was targeted by letters containing what preliminary tests found was ricin.

He’s not backing down in the face of terroristic threats and/or assassination attempts.

“I’m not angry,” Bloomberg said. “There are people who I would argue do things that may be irrational, do things that are wrong, but it’s a very complex world out there and we just have to deal with that.”

The people who initially came into contact with the letters showed no symptoms of exposure to the poison, but three officers who later examined the New York letter experienced minor symptoms that have since abated, police said.

Law enforcement sources paraphrased the letters’ message as saying, “This is a taste of what’s to come if you come to take my gun.”

Both letters had a Shreveport, Louisiana, return address, CBS News reported.

Browne would not comment on where the letters were postmarked and wouldn’t say whether they were handwritten or typed and whether investigators believe they were sent by the same person.

“In terms of why they’ve done it, I don’t know,” Bloomberg said at an event Wednesday night.

One of the letters “obviously referred to our anti-gun efforts, but there’s 12,000 people who are going to get killed this year with guns and 19,000 that are going to commit suicide with guns, and we’re not going to walk away from those efforts,” said Bloomberg.

One of the letters was opened at the Mayors Against Illegal Guns at its Washington DC offices, while the other was found at a City Hall mail sorting facility at 100 Gold Street in Lower Manhattan.

253 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:52:48am

I got two hours of sleep last night. WOOT!

you?

254 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:53:12am

And for the first time in more than 6 months, the A line in NYC now runs its full length into the Rockaways. The Rockaway branch had been severed by flooding that required rebuilding more than 2 miles of track and the newly built section includes flood walls and reinforcement, plus new signal and power systems.

It took nearly $650 million to restore this one section.

And the damage from Sandy continues to affect commutes around the City - there’s been an increase in delays and service disruptions due to problems with areas that were flooded by Sandy. That will continue for the foreseeable future, and it means that the system will continue lurching from one crisis to the next.

255 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:53:56am

Frankly, blame for this lies squarely with the NRA. They have demonized Bloomberg for a while now. I appreciate the idea of calling attention to some of his practices, but their rhetoric is WAY over the top.

256 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 5:54:26am

re: #251 freetoken

Why won’t the Romneys go away quietly?

I still wonder who is behind this Rehabilitate the Romneys program. Is it Mitt himself?

Dogs against Romney hasn’t stopped their facebook campaign.

257 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:01:22am
258 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:01:55am

I may have used a photo of IDF soldiers.

259 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:01:58am

“The left is always talking about science man. Well, science shows that women evolved to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen.”
— Erick Erickson

260 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:06:22am


“How dare he!” [Faints.]
— GOP

261 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:11:24am

re: #260 Gus

“How dare he!” [Faints.]
— GOP

As Glaciers Melt, Alpine Mountains Lose Their Glue, Threatening Swiss Village

262 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:15:31am

Wow. Stalkers gotta stalk… And they wonder why people here want nothing to do with them or their idiocy or purported claims of goodwill.

263 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:17:06am

re: #261 FemNaziBitch

And the Himalayan glaciers, including those around Everest are shrinking, and those provide the basis for some of the biggest rivers in Asia and the populations throughout South Asia. Without those glacial waters, water shortages will become far more pronounced and droughts during the dry season are more likely, along with the associated death tolls.

264 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:18:10am

re: #247 Gus

Democrats are afraid of Ann Romney. She’s Mitt’s best chance to win this election. /

265 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:18:59am

re: #244 freetoken

The general report of many who have taken their test is that the ethnicity report is not worth much. I’ve take the test but haven’t gotten the results back yet.

If however you just want to get hits on distant relatives the reports indicates you’ll get plenty of those, if your birth parents were the typical Americans.

Industry wide, it appears as if the 23andMe test gives the best ancestry (ethnicity results), though their emphasis is medical and not genealogy.

Husband and I did the 23andMe (as did my mom and brother). Emphasis *is* more on medical (and you aren’t required to respond to any of those surveys or even specific questions in a survey).
My ethnic heritage was an interesting mixed bag of European, Asian and Middle Eastern, much of which confirmed a lot of what my mom’s father told her about his heritage.
Husband’s was pretty much what we expected: British Isles/Scandinavia. But very recently, 23andMe did some additional testing on his sample and it indicates a 3% sub-Saharan Africa genetic component. Scratching our heads over that and coming up with wonderful long-time-ago scenarios for how that may have come about.
We both have found cousins. Husband’s paternal genealogy line goes back to the 1600s and he’s been able to help several of the newly found cousins fill in a lot of their own family history.

266 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:19:12am

re: #262 lawhawk

Anything serious, or just dumb internet dickery?

267 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:20:56am

re: #266 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

One of the usual suspects to longtime LGFers. That person is aware of this (and have had this person blocked for a long time).

268 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:22:43am

re: #263 lawhawk

And the Himalayan glaciers, including those around Everest are shrinking, and those provide the basis for some of the biggest rivers in Asia and the populations throughout South Asia. Without those glacial waters, water shortages will become far more pronounced and droughts during the dry season are more likely, along with the associated death tolls.

Serious shit!

269 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:24:47am

re: #267 lawhawk

One of the usual suspects to longtime LGFers. That person is aware of this (and have had this person blocked for a long time).

Oh, I see. A) I don’t have a mattress and B) I have work. Had to search.

270 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:27:22am


America in Decline: A Baby Born in Parts of Ohio More Likely to Die Than One Born in North Korea or the Gaza Strip

The 69 deaths per 1,000 live births statistic is from 2009 only; taking a three-year average still yields 18.6 deaths, higher than many Caribbean and Eastern European countries. But here’s the real gut-punch: Looking within University Circle communities like Hough and Mount Pleasant, PolitiFact found “infant mortality rates above 27 per 1,000—worse than in North Korea, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, Samoa, Maldives, or the Gaza Strip.”

Ohio is a state constantly battling over reproductive rights … .

271 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:28:43am

Morning cuteness break.

272 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:29:57am

More fun stuff from Ohio:

Ohio School District May Add Glenn Beck Conspiracy Theories To Curriculum

273 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:30:11am

Sure enough.

274 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:30:14am

re: #261 FemNaziBitch

As Glaciers Melt, Alpine Mountains Lose Their Glue, Threatening Swiss Village

I’ve been there. It’s beautiful.

275 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:30:26am

There are WMDs in Iraq.

Trust me.

//

276 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:30:55am

re: #270 FemNaziBitch

Not sure how the comparisons are made - whether they’re using uniform definitions and the like.

What’s truly disturbing and troubling is how much more we spend on health care versus other countries for the same kinds of procedures. We’re definitely not getting our money’s worth, that’s for sure.

277 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:32:06am

I’m going to vaginal probe you before I let you have an abortion.

It’s for your own good.

Trust me.

278 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:32:20am

re: #273 Gus

Sure enough.

What we need is a mega-rich corporate lackey in the White House, responding to his wealthy backers’ every request. That’ll restore trust in government!

279 Political Atheist  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:33:57am

re: #4 erik_t

Literally the least shocking final sentence of any news post, ever.

Why? What make Shreveport specially worthy of suspicion?

280 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:34:20am

re: #276 lawhawk

Not sure how the comparisons are made - whether they’re using uniform definitions and the like.

What’s truly disturbing and troubling is how much more we spend on health care versus other countries for the same kinds of procedures. We’re definitely not getting our money’s worth, that’s for sure.

I think it shows there are areas in the US that compare to 3rd world countries in poverty and it’s effects.

We are losing human resources.

It’s a problem.

281 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:36:55am

re: #279 Political Atheist

Why? What make Shreveport specially worthy of suspicion?

The answer contains two words, one of which is “strategy” and the other being “southern”.

282 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:37:42am

re: #280 FemNaziBitch

It’s a problem.

Only if you’re poor!

A message from the GOP public advisory bureau.

283 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:38:33am

re: #280 FemNaziBitch

I think it shows there are areas in the US that compare to 3rd world countries in poverty and it’s effects.

We are losing human resources.

It’s a problem.

One of the largest reasons that we are losing “human resources”

is that this country insists on treating Humans as ‘resources’.

284 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:40:06am

re: #283 GunstarGreen

One of the largest reasons that we are losing “human resources”

is that this country insists on treating Humans as ‘resources’.

Well, Humans, their minds, their hearts are resources, IMHO.

We need to invest in them, big time.

285 Occam's Guillotine  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:42:45am

RIP, Jack Vance.

Mr. Vance was 96. He was the author of The Last Castle and many other works of classic science fiction, fantasy, and mystery. He was probably the most skilled and imaginative word-smith ever to grace the SF genre.

286 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:43:28am

Michele Bachmann’s Iowa court date set

A trial date has been set in an Iowa lawsuit alleging that U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann’s presidential campaign stole and misused an email distribution list maintained by an Iowa home-school group.

I am sure this has nothing to do with her not running for reelection.

///

287 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:50:55am

re: #220 BigPapa

Smoking, weight problems… pretty much any problem with long-term addiction to something comes down to the sorts of things you mentioned. In the end, you have to understand and internalize that your body is trying to make you fail. That the whole process is going to be a fight against a biological machine thousands of years in the making, and that you have to be prepared for that. Our bodies have evolved, over time, to get used to certain states of being, and to make our lives miserable if those states are suddenly changed. It’s a defense mechanism, a built-in self-preservation system of an organism that evolved through thousands of years of scarcity and the need for survival, not realizing that it’s safe now and that it doesn’t need to cling to existing conditions so fiercely.

Every day, you have to look in the mirror, at that son- or daughter-of-a-bitch that’s been robbing you for years, possibly your whole life. Taking your money, your fun, your opportunity, and your quality of life away from you. And you have to tell them that you’re not going to let them win. Not one more inch.

It’s going to suck, at times. Our bodies have gotten very, very good at punishing us for changing our situation. But in the end, it’s just you vs. the biological machine, and as long as you understand its tricks and actively fight them, you can pull through.

288 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:53:32am

Had no idea Michele Bachmann was 57. Shocked. Saw that in the NYT this am and assumed it was a misprint. Ah, well, have fun in court, Michele.

289 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:55:12am

Newly discovered virus takes more lives, spreads

290 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:55:18am

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

I agree, investing in people is a noble endeavor. But people are not ‘resources’. Soil, iron, grain, oil, livestock — those are resources. Resources are things to be used for some purpose, to be consumed and stripped of their value.

Humans should never be treated that way. It is for this reason that I object heavily to the present corporate lingo trends of identifying workers as ‘resources’ rather than ‘people’. It dehumanizes them. It makes abuse okay. The machine I work on, that’s a Resource. I am a Person.

291 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:58:07am

re: #290 GunstarGreen

I agree, investing in people is a noble endeavor. But people are not ‘resources’. Soil, iron, grain, oil, livestock — those are resources. Resources are things to be used for some purpose, to be consumed and stripped of their value.

Humans should never be treated that way. It is for this reason that I object heavily to the present corporate lingo trends of identifying workers as ‘resources’ rather than ‘people’. It dehumanizes them. It makes abuse okay. The machine I work on, that’s a Resource. I am a Person.

hmmm, we’ll have to agree to disagree on the semantics.

I see the special skills developed in individuals as resources. We can’t utilize those resources unless the human is cared for and cares for him/her self. We have to invest in the person to realize the benefit of their individuality.

292 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:58:35am

re: #273 Gus

I don’t get why Ann Romney is spreading this bullshit. What happened to dignity?

I think that’s the new name of my autobiography.

293 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 6:59:57am

Ernest Hemingway’s list of Books to Read

I’ve read 5

294 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:00:32am

re: #292 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t get why Ann Romney is spreading this bullshit. What happened to dignity?

I think that’s the new name of my autobiography.

Stop it, you people. This is hard.

295 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:00:34am

re: #273 Gus

Sure enough.

Ann Romney says there had been a “breach of trust” between Americans and their government: t.co
— POLITICO (@politico) May 30, 2013

Yet another RWNJ who believes they speak for all Americans. What fucking egos. Shouldn’t she be beating her maids with a wire hanger?

296 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:02:38am

re: #293 FemNaziBitch

This list is handwritten. Couldn’t he have emailed it?

/

297 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:04:29am

re: #181 The Mountain That Blogs

Whoooo graduation day!

Sincerely, The Mountain that Blogs, M.D.

Congratulations!

298 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:07:31am

re: #292 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t get why Ann Romney is spreading this bullshit. What happened to dignity?

I think that’s the new name of my autobiography.

Obviously, the American people have lost touch with G-d. The Devil is winning us. Because, Mitt was destined to become POTUS

cognitive dissonance is a terrible thing to watch

299 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:10:12am

re: #292 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

When’s it go on sale?

300 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:10:59am

re: #292 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I don’t get why Ann Romney is spreading this bullshit. What happened to dignity?

I think that’s the new name of my autobiography.

Sound bites for the TGOP. Which is odd because the TGOP hates the Romneys, Doles and McCains — last I checked. The other thing. These Republicans like to talk about losing trust in the government. This the same government that they helped create. The DHS, TSA, EIEIO are essentially creations of the Bush (Republican) White House. They helped create the so called police state environment that we live under today. They’re the champions of FISA, AUMF, etc. They’re the ones that want to snoop into women’s private/health choices. They’re the ones that want to continue the prison industry.

301 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:11:36am


News Corp.’s New Logo Is Based On Rupert Murdoch’s Handwriting (PHOTO)

$500M stock buy-back plan according to the Financial Times.

302 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:12:18am

re: #300 Gus

Media and voter fraud totally cheated Romney although Romney wasn’t Real Conservative so that’s why he lost. /

303 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:13:07am

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

It helps if there’s a magazine in the gun. //

304 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:13:34am

re: #300 Gus

No-one ever accused Republicans of consistency or sincerity.

As someone who appreciates irony in all its forms, I do have to say that the GOP has provided a surfeit of entertainment over the years.

305 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:14:36am

re: #302 Bulworth

Media and voter fraud totally cheated Romney although Romney wasn’t Real Conservative so that’s why he lost. /

And the IRS…can’t forget the IRS. Oh, and the non-existent ACORN and all three members of the New Black Panthers….can’t forget them….

306 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:15:48am

BTW. If Syria really does have those S-300 missiles expect an air strike from the IAF. It’s going to happen.

307 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:15:52am

re: #305 Dr. Matt

And the IRS…can’t forget the IRS. Oh, and the non-existent ACORN and all three members of the New Black Panthers….can’t forget them….

BENGHAAAAAZZZIIIII!!11!!!!11!!!

(screamed like KHAAAAAAAN!)

308 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:18:01am

re: #307 Vicious Babushka

(screamed like KHAAAAAAAN!)

Let’s have yet another worthless congressional hearing. The Senate returns on Monday. I heard the House is busy naming post offices.

309 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:18:56am

re: #308 Gus

Let’s have yet another worthless congressional hearing. The Senate returns on Monday. I heard the House is busy naming post offices.

JOBS

310 erik_t  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:19:42am

re: #306 Gus

BTW. If Syria really does have those S-300 missiles expect an air strike from the IAF. It’s going to happen.

I ctrl-F’d the thread and couldn’t find anything. What’s this on the notion Syria and S-300? I ask because it’s important to note that the Russians operate with a different mindset than we do with regards to classifications; S-300 is really a family of systems, some dramatically more capable than others, and some tailored to very different roles.

311 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:20:32am

re: #306 Gus

There were reports earlier from Lebanon that the IAF had made low-level passes into the country. I’m fully expecting to hear that something went boom along the Syrian-Lebanese border before long.

As you might recall, there were similar reports right before Israel took out targets inside Syria at Syrian military facilities and/or shipments of weapons to Hizbullah near the Syrian-Lebanese border.

312 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:21:10am

re: #310 erik_t

I ctrl-F’d the thread and couldn’t find anything. What’s this on the notion Syria and S-300? I ask because it’s important to note that the Russians operate with a different mindset than we do with regards to classifications; S-300 is really a family of systems, some dramatically more capable than others, and some tailored to very different roles.

The main concern, oddly enough, is that Israel is worried about any weapons falling into rebel hands. It’s an extremely odd situation over there.

313 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:22:08am

bbl

314 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:22:19am

re: #273 Gus

So, “The government not doing exactly what we want it,” is the same as “breach of trust?”

Some people have the most interesting definitions for words and phrases.

315 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:22:37am

re: #311 lawhawk

There were reports earlier from Lebanon that the IAF had made low-level passes into the country. I’m fully expecting to hear that something went boom along the Syrian-Lebanese border before long.

As you might recall, there were similar reports right before Israel took out targets inside Syria at Syrian military facilities and/or shipments of weapons to Hizbullah near the Syrian-Lebanese border.

Right. They’re also worried about any S-300s winding up in Lebanon. Also, as you saw this morning Hezbollah is kicking Hamas out of Lebanon. That was my joke about a “charity organization” this morning. Hezbollah is of course backed by Iran.

316 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:25:24am

Israel says will act to prevent S-300 missile systems from becoming operational

…Netanyahu tells European foreign ministers that if the Russian missile systems get into Syria, Israel’s ‘entire airspace will become a no-fly zone’ and therefore it ‘cannot stand idly by.’
By Barak Ravid | May.29, 2013 | 7:36 PM…

…”If the missiles are provided and become operational Israel’s entire airspace will become a no-fly zone,” Netanyahu told the European foreign ministers. “The missile transfer is a significant security challenge to Israel and we will not be able to stand idly by.” …

317 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:25:51am

OFFS.
DERPIEST. DERP. EVER.

318 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:29:15am

re: #283 GunstarGreen

One of the largest reasons that we are losing “human resources”

is that this country insists on treating Humans as ‘resources’.

‘Human resources’ is a phrase I loathe. It makes it appear that people are dug out of the ground and processed into finished goods.

But it fits with the fact that people only have an economic purpose in our society. You’re meant to go to work and produce consumable goods and/services then you go home and consume consumable goods and/services.

In a lot of ways we’re as economically deterministic as Marxists.

319 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:29:26am

Brain cleaner.

320 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:33:38am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

OFFS.
DERPIEST. DERP. EVER.

Oh brother. For someone taking “female hormones” he was one rather aggressive character. Secondly, this would have resulted in breast growth. He seemed to have no problem keeping his mustache in full bloom. Another thing being that homosexuality and transsexuality are two different things. This is a typical stereotypical view from many bozos that think gay men want to become women.

321 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:35:51am


One of the things in drilling down through the data finds that the cumulative effect of Benghazi!!!TY, the IRS, AP and other revelations are dragging down the Administration’s favorability ratings, and the GOPer talking points are starting to add up (even if the facts really don’t support them - as in Benghazi or the IRS).

322 erik_t  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:35:51am

re: #312 Gus

The main concern, oddly enough, is that Israel is worried about any weapons falling into rebel hands. It’s an extremely odd situation over there.

That seems… implausible. We’re talking about a high-maintenance this-side-up do-not-look-at-active-radar-with-remaining-eye multiple-heavy-vehicle firing battery, not a little tube on a dude’s shoulder.

But as you say, all sorts of implausible stuff seems to be going on over there.

323 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:37:37am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

OFFS.
DERPIEST. DERP. EVER.

Bryan? If you keep this up it’s only a matter of time before you won’t be able to tweet anymore as Twitter isn’t available in the alternate universe you’ll be living in.

But I don’t have a problem with that.

324 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:42:29am

re: #321 lawhawk

My goodness. It’s almost as if force-feeding a steady diet of bullshit to the American populace leaves them unable to exercise good judgement regarding the conduct of politicians.

Someone inform Rupert Murdoch of this immediately!

325 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:43:45am

re: #323 Romantic Heretic

Bryan? If you keep this up it’s only a matter of time before you won’t be able to tweet anymore as Twitter isn’t available in the alternate universe you’ll be living in.

But I don’t have a problem with that.

Hitler was gay therefore all gays are just like Hitler.
— Wingnut

326 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:44:10am

re: #323 Romantic Heretic

Bryan? If you keep this up it’s only a matter of time before you won’t be able to tweet anymore as Twitter isn’t available in the alternate universe you’ll be living in.

But I don’t have a problem with that.

Please, please, please somebody create the “Gay Bryan Fischer” Twitter account. I would so totally follow that, it would be fabulous! It would Tweet happy messages of Love for everyone, fashion tips, music videos, wedding announcements!

327 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:45:48am

DERP.
Erick they were laughing at you.
Why do wingnuts confuse ridicule and mockery for “fear” and “anger”?

328 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:48:29am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

OFFS.
DERPIEST. DERP. EVER.

And if true, this would mean….?

329 kirkspencer  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:49:36am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

OFFS.
DERPIEST. DERP. EVER.

It’s still Merl’s interview. They keep saying “new evidence” then go right back to Merl’s notes while interviewing Brandt and Morell.

330 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:49:41am

re: #320 Gus

Well, if Bryan Fischer is tweeting it, that must mean it’s true. //

331 darthstar  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:50:36am

Tea Party conference call last night.

BOB FROM MAINE: I’m from Maine and our Tea Party will be meeting up next week. What is the best way that we can get our senator to listen to us?
ANOTHER CALLER: Shoot her. [laughter]
MODERATOR: Yes, we will shoot her with…(inaudible) and phone calls.

Hoo-boy.

332 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:51:00am

re: #328 Bulworth

And if true, this would mean….?

She’s made of wood.

333 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:52:41am

re: #328 Bulworth

And if true, this would mean….?

Bryan Fischer always has his mind on the homosex. //

You ever notice how he doesn’t spell “Brian” in the traditional manner? //

334 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:53:00am

re: #327 Vicious Babushka

“panties in a wad”. Is this the latest ‘rebranding’ idea?

/

335 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:53:38am

Hitler was gay. Since Obama is like Hitler that means Obama must be gay too.
— Wingnut

336 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:55:05am

re: #335 Gus

I sorta wonder why Bryan doesn’t think Hitler’s long time relationship with Eva Braun was indicative of his sexual preferences.

/

337 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:55:16am

You ever notice how wingnuts think everyone they oppose are either a) gay or b) Hitler?

338 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:56:56am
339 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:58:01am

re: #335 Gus

Hitler was gay. Since Obama is like Hitler that means Obama must be gay too.
— Wingnut

Or the corollary (and witnessed earlier this week):

Hitler was gay. Since Obama is teh ghey, that means Obama is like Hitler.

340 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:59:05am
341 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 7:59:39am
342 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:00:45am

re: #340 lawhawk

Where there any Tea Party groups that had their 501(c) applications denied or revoked, or did it just take longer for them to get approved?

343 darthstar  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:03:02am
344 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:03:41am

re: #340 lawhawk

More good news for Mitt Romney.

345 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:03:59am

“Fischer and Pat Robertson are the best recruiters atheists could ever hope for.” — Art Fugue
disq.us

346 erik_t  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:04:19am

ObamaGate now taking toll on Congress. Upside down in approval ratings, 9-64. Oops.

347 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:04:52am

re: #341 Vicious Babushka

It’s not because of the various “gates”. It’s because Hitlergay. /

348 darthstar  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:05:50am

We need a special prosecutor, congressional hearings, and a good old fashioned extended news cycle to investigate why President Obama did not tell the American people he was President Obama, and why the Senate is only finding this out now.
/

349 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:05:56am
350 darthstar  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:06:33am
351 darthstar  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:08:07am
352 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:08:27am

re: #350 darthstar

Palling around with terrorists now, GOP?

353 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:10:37am

re: #351 darthstar

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

354 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:10:53am

re: #342 Vicious Babushka

I’m not sure of that.

I know that several groups are suing the IRS and officials for supposedly treating them to improper scrutiny, but the problem for them is that all entities are supposed to receive scrutiny and those that engage in political activities are supposed to be prohibited from the 501(c) status.

Discovery is going to be a bitch for these groups. Because it may well turn out that while the criteria the IRS used to select groups for scrutiny was not nonpartisan, the groups it did check may have been improperly seeking nonprofit status.

At the same time, these same groups suing are hoping to engage in a fishing expedition of their own - claiming that all treatment that examined them for improper acts was politically motivated - when the law itself permits the IRS to give scrutiny and examine the applications for being proper and to allow the IRS to ask for additional information.

There’s also the issue that some of these applications may have been held up longer than allowed (270 days IIRC), and that gives grounds for suit, but these groups did not avail themselves of that option either from the time the applications were filed. In other words, there might be a statute of limitations problem with some of these claims too.

355 kirkspencer  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:11:06am

re: #342 Vicious Babushka

Where there any Tea Party groups that had their 501(c) applications denied or revoked, or did it just take longer for them to get approved?

No, none were rejected. (And some should have been). And it didn’t take “longer” for them to get approved. Actually, that needs clarification.

Tea Party applications went to a specialist team. Those applications 28% of the applications sent to that specialist team. ALL applications being processed by that specialist team were delayed, mostly because of poor management. (One person “team” for several months. Request for clarification of rules from technical services unfilled for several months.) Once the delays were out of the way, Tea Party applications continued to be processed at approximately the same rate as other potentially political applications.

The ONLY thing that was objectionable was that the name “tea party” was being used as an automatic “send for detail review” trigger. Me, I can see that since “tea party” is by its essential existence political this is a valid trigger, but the way the rules are set up it was wrong: name alone is an invalid test.

356 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:16:46am

Hahahaha:

357 Stanghazi  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:17:53am
At best, an incompetently handled suspect was given access to a weapon so dangerous it justified using deadly force in response. Perhaps that’s all this is. Or perhaps it will turn out that Todashev was wrongfully killed. The facts known to the public are worrisome enough that an independent inquiry is justified. In addition, this case illustrates why the FBI ought to be required to record all of its interrogations, using video when possible and at least audio in all circumstances.

Conor
Friedersdorf - The Atlantic - Why did the FBI kill an unarmed suspect and then clam up

Detailed article.

358 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:18:42am

So what’s new today in Benghaziboogaloo? Is Issa’s committee finally going to allow public testimony from Pickering and Mullen? I won’t hold my breath.

359 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:24:32am

re: #333 Gus

Bryan Fischer always has his mind on the homosex. //

You ever notice how he doesn’t spell “Brian” in the traditional manner? //

Yep…he insists on spelling it with that ga”y” “Y”…

360 GeneJockey  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:25:37am

re: #353 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.

I know. My forehead is getting chafed by all the facepalming.

I do believe, however, that Media Matters is being far too generous in suggesting that FoxNews should look at the picture of Tom Donilon on Benghazi night before asking where he was on Benghazi night. I’m pretty sure they knew, and also knew their audience couldn’t pick Donilon out of a lineup. So, they could show the picture and ask the question (“I’m just asking questions!”) and all that would get into their viewers’ minds was that the National Security Adviser wasn’t there.

Bullshit: Bullshit may be true or false, that doesn’t matter to the bullshitter. What matters is whether it’s effective.

361 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:26:13am
362 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:26:17am

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep…he insists on spelling it with that ga”y” “Y”…

Y-M-C-A! //

363 blueraven  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:27:01am

Breaking MSNBC…3rd intercepted ricin letter was sent to President Obama

364 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:27:34am

re: #340 lawhawk

Greg Sargent ✔ @ThePlumLineGS

Revealing. “ObamaGate.” He is the scandal. The whole point all along. MT @bryanjfischer ObamaGate now taking toll on president.

I have decided that toll = tollhouse = cookies.
Henceforth, any tolls must include tasty, gooey, chewy cookies.

365 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:28:23am

re: #341 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischer

ObamaGate now taking toll on president. Upside down in approval ratings, 45-49. Oops.

See! It’s already working…cookies!!!!!!!

366 makeitstop  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:29:45am

re: #363 blueraven

Breaking MSNBC…3rd intercepted ricin letter was sent to President Obama

I pity that guy once they track his ass down.

Wait, no I don’t. I hope they take his guns, then put him in prison for a long, long time.

367 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:30:04am

re: #363 blueraven

Breaking MSNBC…3rd intercepted ricin letter was sent to President Obama

PFALSEED FALEAGGGEDD!!!!

368 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:30:58am

re: #356 Dr. Matt

what? No # Reagan???? Blaspheme!

369 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:31:22am
370 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:32:14am

WTF

371 blueraven  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:32:36am

re: #363 blueraven

Breaking MSNBC…3rd intercepted ricin letter was sent to President Obama

nbcwashington.com

A letter was mailed to President Obama that is similar to two letters containing poisonous ricin sent to Mayor Bloomberg and his anti-gun group, law enforcement sources tell NBC 4 New York.

The letter is being tested for ricin. It was received Thursday at an off-site facility, and did not reach the White House, sources said.

The text of that mailing was identical to the letters sent to the mayor and his gun group, which threatened: “what’s in this letter is nothing compared to what I’ve got planned for you,” police and law enforcement sources said.

…

According to law enforcement sources, all three letters were postmarked May 20 in Shreveport, La. and sent without a return address or signature. Sources said the NYPD tried to pull fingerprints off the letter discovered at the city’s mail sorting site, but nothing usable was found. Authorities also plan to check for any possible DNA.

It wasn’t known if any viable forensic evidence was discovered on the letters sent to Washington or the White House. All three mailings read in part: “You will have to kill me and my family before you get my guns. Anyone wants to come to my house will get shot in the face. The right to bear arms is my constitutional God given right and I will exercise that right till the day I die.”

372 LWNJ  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:33:11am

re: #346 erik_t

ObamaGate now taking toll on Congress. Upside down in approval ratings, 9-64. Oops.

I hope everyone is sitting down, this is likely to come a a shock (//) — but the tweeter twits have picked just about the only poll that doesn’t show Obama’s approvals steady and/or rising.

On the other hand, people do want a special prosecutor to investigate the IRS. Congressional Republican leaders, mostly, don’t — no surprise that, it would rob them of the opportunity to blow everything out of proportion.

373 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:34:07am

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

This company also once again blocked benefits for Gay Couples.

Bunch of crappy people.

374 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:34:19am

Found this at the Cheezeburger site. Should come in handy from time to time…

advice from elder lizards

375 erik_t  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:34:59am

re: #372 LWNJ

I hope everyone is sitting down, this is likely to come a a shock (//) — but the tweeter twits have picked just about the only poll that doesn’t show Obama’s approvals steady and/or rising.

They are just unskewing reality, having obviously learned their lesson in 2012.

/

376 chadu  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:38:08am

re: #119 HappyWarrior

I’ve been thinking about doing that. I’m convinced that I’ve got some Spanish or Mediterrean blood since I tan decently for someone with my apparent heritage- Irish, German, Slovene, Slovak, possible Scot. I mean I know we all come from Africa originally of course but I think I’ve got some fairly recent at least by genetic standards ancestors that were from that region.

Just got the info from 23andme.com that my genome is 2.8% Neanderthal.

Also, both sides of my ancestry originate in Doggerland, the “Atlantis of the North Sea.”

en.wikipedia.org

So, I’m a C+ caveman and B+ Atlantean. I got that going for me. /

377 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:40:14am

re: #361 Vicious Babushka

Here’s the text of the bill.

It actually amends an existing statute that calls on Texas to buy Texas and US products first - expanding it to products manufactured in Texas and the US.

Produced in Texas could potentially include items manufactured in the state, but this bill explicitly provides for preferential treatment to manufactured products.

Perry’s reasoning for the veto? He claims that this doesn’t change existing law.

House Bill 535 requires state agencies, when purchasing goods, to give preference to goods “manufactured” in Texas. Current law already requires state agencies to give preference to goods produced and grown in Texas. While I support and encourage our agencies to buy goods from Texas businesses, this bill simply does not change current law.

Since you remain gathered in regular session and continue to conduct formal business, I am delivering this disapproval message directly to you along with the official enrolled copy of the bill.

378 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:42:22am

Wait, I thought Christians were “persecuted”

379 Jolo5309  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:43:40am

re: #116 Varek Raith

dna.ancestry.com

It’s all I know so far.
Reliability? Beats me.

We used dnamydogs.ca on our dogs

380 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:44:16am

re: #376 chadu

Just got the info from 23andme.com that my genome is 2.8% Neanderthal.

Also, both sides of my ancestry originate in Doggerland, the “Atlantis of the North Sea.”

en.wikipedia.org

So, I’m a C+ caveman and B+ Atlantean. I got that going for me. /

I’ve got that Neanderthal thing too. I am sooo jealous that yer hogging the Doggerland genome…

381 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:44:37am

Developing:

Anti-gun control Ricin letter sent to President Obama, intercepted by Secret Service

Not clear whether this is from same source as letters to Bloomberg and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, but this adds to the charges I posted in the initial story above (attempted assassination of the President of the US).

382 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:44:52am

re: #378 Vicious Babushka

Wait, I thought Christians were “persecuted”

Oh, for fuck’s sake.

LIke there’s a lack of churches in the US. Un-frigging-real.

This is such bullshit. Religion gets such a pass in this country.

383 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:46:15am

re: #378 Vicious Babushka

Wait, I thought Christians were “persecuted”

No. They voted for a resolution asking the NY state legislature to pass such a law.

384 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:47:59am

“Christians are allowed to hold services in public schools.”

Bryan Fischer: WINNABLE WAR!!!

“But they are not allowed to hold services during school hours or to require students to attend.”

Bryan Fischer: WE’RE TEH HOLOCAUST VICTIMZ!!11!!

385 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:48:08am

re: #378 Vicious Babushka

Wait, I thought Christians were “persecuted”

But just wait. Was the NYCC vote for “churches” or “religious institutions”, a more comprehensive definition that would include Jewish and Muslim congregations?

If, as I would imagine, it’s more of a comprehensive definition - owing to non-discrimination of religious institutions - then just wait until Bryan finds out that Muslims (and Jews) can do the same.

ZOMG!! WE’RE BEING TEH PERSOOKUTED!! 11TY!

386 blueraven  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:49:17am

re: #381 lawhawk

Developing:

Anti-gun control Ricin letter sent to President Obama, intercepted by Secret Service

Not clear whether this is from same source as letters to Bloomberg and Mayors Against Illegal Guns, but this adds to the charges I posted in the initial story above (attempted assassination of the President of the US).

same source: see

re: #371 blueraven

387 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:49:28am

re: #385 Dr Lizardo

But just wait. Was the NYCC vote for “churches” or “religious institutions”, a more comprehensive definition that would include Jewish and Muslim congregations?

If, as I would imagine, it’s more of a comprehensive definition - owing to non-discrimination of religious institutions - then just wait until Bryan finds out that Muslims (and Jews) can do the same.

OH NOES!!!1 IT TEH CREEPING SHARIA!!!111!!

388 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:49:35am
389 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:50:04am
390 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:50:05am

re: #383 Gus

Text of Resolution 1155-2011.

391 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:50:13am

The r-word comes to mind.

392 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:50:18am

re: #382 Mattand

No, Christianity gets a pass in the country.

The Muslims, among others, don’t.

393 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:51:10am
394 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:51:35am

re: #385 Dr Lizardo

Again, we say thank you to city council for allowing all faiths—Jewish, Christian, Muslim and Sikh—to rent space in public schools.”

395 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:51:55am

re: #381 lawhawk

Letter to WH containing ricin is linked to letters to Bloomberg and Mayors Against Illegal Guns group

Law enforcement sources tell ABC News that a third letter testing positive for ricin and addressed to the White House was intercepted Thursday morning.

The letter appears to be linked to the two letters sent to New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg and his Mayors Against Illegal Guns group in Washington.

The letter was intercepted at a mail sorting facility and never reached the White House.

It has been taken to a lab for further testing.

396 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:52:02am

re: #390 lawhawk

Text of Resolution 1155-2011.

Right. It’s like the article that bozo linked to said. It’s a resolution asking the NYSL to pass such a law.

397 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:54:34am

My wingnut son sent me this.

All I had to do is read the first line to know it’s total bull shit.

398 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:55:42am

I do not hate anyone. (It seems silly to have to preface my remarks with that statement, but these are strange times.) I do hate bad behavior. That includes lying, name-calling, intimidation and bullying, which have become the hallmarks of gay-rights activists.

Last week, the Boy Scouts of America abandoned the time-honored principles enshrined in the oath and law and gave in to these bullies when leadership skillfully manipulated its voting delegates to approve a resolution to admit openly gay Scouts into its ranks.

The oath includes a “duty to God” and a pledge to keep oneself “morally straight.” The law proclaims that a Scout is - among other things - obedient, reverent, loyal and brave. The BSA leadership is none of the above. Therefore, the Scouts’ ability to lead young boys to become responsible God-fearing young men with these qualities has been hopelessly compromised.

Adolf Hitler introduced the principle of winning the battle of the mind with the “Big Lie” in his book “Mein Kampf”:

“… the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in the world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.”

The Big Lie as practiced by gay rights activists:

• Homosexuality is not a choice. One is born that way.

• Homosexuality is normal and natural for these individuals.

• If you have any of these feelings, you should embrace them.

• If you do not agree with the above statements, you are displaying homophobic behavior (fear of homosexuals).

• And therefore you discriminate against gay individuals.

No one likes to be accused of discrimination or to be called names, which is part and parcel of the bullying process. However, to cave in to bullies is not bravery, it is cowardice.

I would be the first to admit that some people are “born gay” if there were scientific evidence to support such a claim. There is not!

Some people (a tiny fraction of a percent) are born with physical abnormalities that might predispose one to that lifestyle. These cases are 100 percent correctable. It often involves something as simple as hormone treatment.

In most cases, however, homosexuality is connected to a bad home environment with an absent father and/or domineering mother, sexual molestation or - more common today - something call imprinting (first sexual experience).

— WorldNetDaily’s Jane Chastain

399 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:56:03am

re: #393 Vicious Babushka

Yeah maybe they need more than just an IRS audit…… Stay classy douchebags.

400 kirkspencer  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:56:41am

re: #394 Bubblehead II

Again, we say thank you to city council for allowing all faiths—Jewish, Christian, Muslim and Sikh—to rent space in public schools.”

I can hardly wait till a Wiccan coven asks to rent an interior courtyard for a skyclad Beltane.

401 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:57:33am

When it turns out that a white male conservative is responsible for the ricin letters, can we blame all white male conservatives? You know, the same way teatards reacted over the Boston bombing by blaming all Muslims.

402 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 8:59:45am

WHAT A DUMBASS.

Her Eric did you ever read Proverbs 31? Where the wife is literally the breadwinner (“From afar she bringeth her bread”) and the husband just hangs out with his homeys (“Her husband is known at the gates, where he sits with the elders of the land”)?

403 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:01:04am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

WHAT A DUMBASS.

Her Eric did you ever read Proverbs 31? Where the wife is literally the breadwinner (“From afar she bringeth her bread”) and the husband just hangs out with his homeys (“Her husband is known at the gates, where he sits with the elders of the land”)?

Nah. I think Republicans should listen to Erick and start being more public about this. Bwahahahaha!

404 LWNJ  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:01:10am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

WHAT A DUMBASS.

Her Eric did you ever read Proverbs 31? Where the wife is literally the breadwinner (“From afar she bringeth her bread”) and the husband just hangs out with his homeys (“Her husband is known at the gates, where he sits with the elders of the land”)?

Or learned to spell complementary?

405 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:01:44am

re: #394 Bubblehead II

Again, we say thank you to city council for allowing all faiths—Jewish, Christian, Muslim and Sikh—to rent space in public schools.”

Indeed.

After all, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. That’s how the First Amendment works, contrary to what folks like Fischer and David Barton think.

406 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:01:45am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

In pre-historic society, in non-coastal places women provided something like 75% of the sustenance from hunting/gathering.

407 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:01:47am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

WHAT A DUMBASS.

Her Eric did you ever read Proverbs 31? Where the wife is literally the breadwinner (“From afar she bringeth her bread”) and the husband just hangs out with his homeys (“Her husband is known at the gates, where he sits with the elders of the land”)?

I find Mr. I once called a Supreme Court Justice a goat fucker’s pious act hilarious. Honestly, why should it matter who the breadwinner is? If it’s the husband, great, if it’s the wife, great, and if both are rolling in the dough, even better. My mom was the breadwinner in our family growing up. She worked very hard to get to her position and I am tired of sexist pricks like Erickson and Fischer trying to say that shouldn’t have happened because she’ happens to be a woman.

408 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:02:54am

re: #403 Gus

Nah. I think Republicans should listen to Erick and start being more public about this. Bwahahahaha!

I think it’s pretty remarkable that we still have people thinking like this in 2013 but I guess this is modern conservatism- not much different from conservatism of 30-40 years ago.

409 chadu  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:03:43am

re: #380 Backwoods_Sleuth

Interesting thing about the Doggerland ancestors: it looks right now like they both went south: one to Germany/Italy, the other through France/Spain/Sicily.

More when they finish calculating my ancestry reports (they say it should take a week).

410 darthstar  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:04:08am

Nova Scotia immediately bans Monsanto cucumbers and subsequent dill pickles because they cause genital hair loss.

Some of the quotes from the article are pretty funny.

“Fully 3/4 of the people who ate these cukes had their crotch area hair fall out. This is not a joking matter at all…these people now have hairless heinies.”

“I pulled down my boxer shorts to get ready for bed one night and there it was…a pile of hair that looked like a chihuahua puppy,” said Eric LaMaze, who was paid $50 by Monsanto to compare the tastes of natural cucumbers to Monsanto GM cucumbers in March of this year in Halifax. “Then I saw my bits and whoa they were like all shiny skin. Bald.”

411 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:04:27am

I was a SAHM for 10 years when my kids were growing up, then I went back to school and work full time. Now Zedushka is a SAHROM and I work full time.

I wish he would have dinner ready when I get home. I bought a new grill.

412 darthstar  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:05:08am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

If it wasn’t for Fox and CNN, Erickson’s family would be starving.

413 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:05:32am

re: #412 darthstar

If it wasn’t for Fox and CNN, Erickson’s family would be starving.

Wingnut welfare.

414 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:05:53am

re: #412 darthstar

If it wasn’t for Fox and CNN, Erickson’s family would be starving.

Which network does his wife work at?

415 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:05:53am

Well, at least you can say that Erick Erickson has finally* found some common ground between himself and the Taliban.

*inorite

416 darthstar  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:10:44am

re: #410 darthstar

Do what I did and skip the “this article is satire” parenthetical at the top…makes for better reading. #oops!

417 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:12:11am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

WHAT A DUMBASS.

Her Eric did you ever read Proverbs 31? Where the wife is literally the breadwinner (“From afar she bringeth her bread”) and the husband just hangs out with his homeys (“Her husband is known at the gates, where he sits with the elders of the land”)?

Is this the ‘rebranding’?

418 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:12:22am

So why does it matter whether the man or the woman is the family breadwinner?

Ego. The man’s ego specifically.

Bruised egos by guys who aren’t the family breadwinner.

Oh, and that increases the chances that the guy will have an affair (likely with someone who isn’t making as much as the guy.

419 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:13:12am

re: #416 darthstar

Do what I did and skip the “this article is satire” parenthetical at the top…makes for better reading. #oops!

naw…it’s still funny as hell!

420 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:14:43am
Sorry folks, this is just hard truth. Husbands and wives should play complimentary roles w/ dad as breadwinner.
t.co
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson)
May 30, 2013

Families can’t be free to make their own choices about what’s best for them? I thought the teabag party movement was all about Freedom? Oh well.

421 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:14:44am

re: #417 Bulworth

Is this the ‘rebranding’?

It’s “re-branding” except it’s more lunacy. They can be like See, we said we were re-branding but you assumed we were getting sane. Now meet, F.W Jackson the next Lt Governor of Virginia!”

422 brennant  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:16:41am

re: #410 darthstar

Nova Scotia immediately bans Monsanto cucumbers and subsequent dill pickles because they cause genital hair loss.

Some of the quotes from the article are pretty funny.

Snopes says this is bs, btw.

snopes.com

423 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:17:10am
Sorry folks, this is just hard truth. Husbands and wives should play complimentary roles w/ dad as breadwinner.
t.co
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson)
May 30, 2013

Anybody know what part of the Declaration of Independence or U.S. Constitution he’s quoting here?

/

424 wrenchwench  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:17:24am

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

Found this at the Cheezeburger site. Should come in handy from time to time…

advice from elder lizards

I made this one a couple years back.

425 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:17:25am
426 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:18:31am

re: #424 wrenchwench

I made this one a couple years back.

I am soooo saving that one!

427 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:20:54am
428 wrenchwench  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:23:29am

re: #426 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am soooo saving that one!

This one is often handy as well.

429 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:24:53am

re: #404 LWNJ

Or learned to spell complementary?

complimentary roles:

Mom: Oh look, it’s my darling husband back from work with his enormous paycheck that he slaves so diligently for so that he can feed the family. What a good provider he is! And so boyishly handsome, too!

Dad: Thanks, dear, for the kind words. They mean even more coming from the woman who so ably manages the household, raises the children and gets a delicious dinner on the table every evening. And all while effortlessly retaining the youthful beauty that first drew me to you!

430 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:28:06am

re: #429 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Mom: Oh look, it’s my darling husband back from work with his enormous paycheck that he slaves so diligently for so that he can feed the family. What a good provider he is! And so boyishly handsome, too!

Dad: Thanks, dear, for the kind words. They mean even more coming from the woman who so ably manages the household, raises the children and gets a delicious dinner on the table every evening. And all while effortlessly retaining the youthful beauty that first drew me to you!

The Gospel According to Ward & June Cleaver.

431 Gus  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:29:51am


More of the Red State charm.

432 dragonath  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:36:43am

Oh lordy. I just found out about “Men’s Right Advocates” and they’re (if possible?) bigger shitheels than the Republican party.

433 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:37:02am
434 Political Atheist  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:37:39am

re: #124 CuriousLurker

That pretty much made the cravings evaporate.

Young lizards: Please, please, please mind your health—you may not feel the damage you’re doing to your body, but it’s there and will eventually bite you in the ass.

Older lizards: As long as you’re still kicking, it’s not too late to stop.

*climbs down from pulpit*

//Okay, okay, I’ll try not to get all preachy too often.

Looking at the place and time of my teens, I must be lucky. Never got addicted to anything but adrenaline. I know people that got off various addictions, alcohol, cocaine, whatever. Almost all of them were able to kick the drug habit but the tobacco holds them like a vise. Congratulations on the rest of your life CL. The cravings will diminish over time, but IMO you have the strength to face those trigger moments.

435 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:40:39am
436 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:42:25am

So I was poking around the Internets and found this quote from a particular Thomas Jefferson, who if I recall correctly, had something or other to do with the foundation of the United States of America.


No historical fact is better established, than that the doctrine of one God, pure and uncompounded, was that of the early ages of Christianity … Nor was the unity of the Supreme Being ousted from the Christian creed by the force of reason, but by the sword of civil government, wielded at the will of the fanatic Athanasius. The hocus-pocus phantasm of a God like another Cerberus, with one body and three heads, had its birth and growth in the blood of thousands of martyrs … The Athanasian paradox that one is three, and three but one, is so incomprehensible to the human mind, that no candid man can say he has any idea of it, and how can he believe what presents no idea? He who thinks he does, only deceives himself. He proves, also, that man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such person, gullibility which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck.
- Letter to James Smith (1822).


RWNJ’s, please answer that quote. It’s a quote from one of the Founding Fathers, and the man who wrote the Declaration of Independence. And in all honesty, it doesn’t sound all that terribly ‘Christian’. To be brutally honest, I’ve heard Sheikhs and Imams say the same thing, though certainly not so eloquently. Perhaps Tommy J was ‘seekrit Muzlim’ ?

Please proceed.

437 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:43:01am

re: #432 dragonath

Oh lordy. I just found out about “Men’s Right Advocates” and they’re (if possible?) bigger shitheels than the Republican party.

Yeah I’ve heard about those before. From the same people who brought you straight pride rallies and the National Association for the Advancement of White People. Not literally but figuratively of course.

438 Bulworth  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:45:11am

re: #436 Dr Lizardo

Possible answers:

1) Fake quote!!
2) That quote is before TJ converted to evangelical true Christianity
3) TJ is simply characterizing some heathen heretic’s argument
4) TJ just didn’t understand true Christianity because of all the false Christianities operating during that period.

/

439 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:46:48am

Doesn’t Barton claim that Jefferson wrote the Jefferson Bible to make the Bible easier to understand for Native Americans? Really how that guy gets away with openly distorting history while he has a profound role in shaping education is just sick.

440 Sionainn  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:48:08am

re: #428 wrenchwench

This one is often handy as well.

LFG?

441 iossarian  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:49:05am

re: #437 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’ve heard about those before. From the same people who brought you straight pride rallies and the National Association for the Advancement of White People. Not literally but figuratively of course.

One of the joys of working in higher education on student experiences and outcomes is that you get to hear the “why can’t there be a white students’ association when there’s a black students’ association” question a few times per year.

I do think that most of them get their heads around it by their senior year, though, which is encouraging. Liberal indoctrination rulez!

443 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:49:36am

re: #439 HappyWarrior

Doesn’t Barton claim that Jefferson wrote the Jefferson Bible to make the Bible easier to understand for Native Americans? Really how that guy gets away with openly distorting history while he has a profound role in shaping education is just sick.

Yes, Barton did claim that as I recall. He’s a wingnut historical revisionist.

444 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:51:12am

re: #438 Bulworth

Possible answers:

1) Fake quote!!
2) That quote is before TJ converted to evangelical true Christianity
3) TJ is simply characterizing some heathen heretic’s argument
4) TJ just didn’t understand true Christianity because of all the false Christianities operating during that period.

/

LOLOLOL!

Sadly though, that’s pretty much exactly how they try to explain it.

Me, I’ll go with the whole ‘Tommy J was a seekrit Muzlim’ thing, because I know it’ll make their heads go ‘splodey.

445 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:52:54am

re: #442 Vicious Babushka

Jefferson believed the Constitution was open to interpretation and change with the times.

The wingnuts would likely love nothing more that to completely efface that particular quotation, and chuck it down the memory hole.

446 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:53:41am

re: #443 Dr Lizardo

Yes, Barton did claim that as I recall. He’s a wingnut historical revisionist.

I wouldn’t even call him a revisionist. Revisionists distort, Barton lies.

447 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:54:28am

re: #445 Dr Lizardo

The wingnuts would likely love nothing more that to completely efface that particular quotation, and chuck it down the memory hole.

It’s hard to deny when it’s carved right into the wall of the Jefferson Memorial.

448 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:55:13am

re: #447 Vicious Babushka

It’s hard to deny when it’s carved right into the wall of the Jefferson Memorial.

vandals!

449 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:56:13am

re: #447 Vicious Babushka

It’s hard to deny when it’s carved right into the wall of the Jefferson Memorial.

The wingnuts just ignore it and pretend it isn’t there.

450 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:56:39am

re: #446 HappyWarrior

I wouldn’t even call him a revisionist. Revisionists distort, Barton lies.

True enough. Barton is in a class of his own.

451 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 9:58:55am

re: #447 Vicious Babushka

It’s hard to deny when it’s carved right into the wall of the Jefferson Memorial.

There’s some very pro separation of church and state stuff at Monticello too.

452 Wargala  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:15:58am

I disagree with targeting a politician for political differences, BUT, I will make a few points about this:

First off, history in this country shows that a lot of changes comes through violence.

Secondly, at what point when it comes to politicians trying to encroach on your Constitutional rights do you take such drastic action? When they curb your right to arms? Free speech? Start imprisoning you for protesting against encroaching on our freedoms?

I don’t think it’s right to try to kill a politician, but every person does have a breaking point. If a politician sent a swat team to your home for your opposing political beliefs and your family was killed in the process, would that be your catalyst? Sure, it’s an extreme example, but you get my point.

Hell, just 70 years ago, we imprisoned people simply for being Japanese in this country.

453 wrenchwench  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:18:39am

re: #440 Sionainn

LFG?

Part of the joke. It hearkens back to the cartoon posted here.

454 wrenchwench  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:21:06am

re: #452 Wargala

I disagree with targeting a politician for political differences, BUT, I will make a few points about this:

First off, history in this country shows that a lot of changes comes through violence.

Secondly, at what point when it comes to politicians trying to encroach on your Constitutional rights do you take such drastic action? When they curb your right to arms? Free speech? Start imprisoning you for protesting against encroaching on our freedoms?

I don’t think it’s right to try to kill a politician, but every person does have a breaking point. If a politician sent a swat team to your home for your opposing political beliefs and your family was killed in the process, would that be your catalyst? Sure, it’s an extreme example, but you get my point.

Hell, just 70 years ago, we imprisoned people simply for being Japanese in this country.

I don’t get your point. You say it’s wrong BUT. Are you saying the perpetrator might have a good reason to try to kill Bloomberg and Obama?

455 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:23:43am

re: #452 Wargala

Are you nuts?

456 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:29:23am

re: #452 Wargala

“People” like you are the reason why this country needs gun control laws.

457 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:29:54am

re: #452 Wargala

I disagree with targeting a politician for political differences, BUT, I will make a few points about this:

First off, history in this country shows that a lot of changes comes through violence.

Secondly, at what point when it comes to politicians trying to encroach on your Constitutional rights do you take such drastic action? When they curb your right to arms? Free speech? Start imprisoning you for protesting against encroaching on our freedoms?

I don’t think it’s right to try to kill a politician, but every person does have a breaking point. If a politician sent a swat team to your home for your opposing political beliefs and your family was killed in the process, would that be your catalyst? Sure, it’s an extreme example, but you get my point.

Hell, just 70 years ago, we imprisoned people simply for being Japanese in this country.

So, your point is basically it’s okay to murder people when you feel threatened. You just think you’re being oh-so-clever with the classic “I’m not saying it’s okay, but…” weasel phrase.

I could take your idiotic viewpoint slightly better if you had the spine to admit you’re okay with murdering political enemies. You’re still a fucking ass wipe, but at least you’d be honest about it.

458 Sionainn  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:33:24am

re: #453 wrenchwench

Part of the joke. It hearkens back to the cartoon posted here.

Ah! Thanks!

459 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:35:20am

re: #452 Wargala

I just want you to know I’m pronouncing your name “Whirr-guh-lah.”

460 Wargala  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:51:44am

re: #454 wrenchwench

I’m saying every man has his breaking point. Sooner or later, if we went down the road of imprisoning people for dissenting political views, you’ll see more and more of this type of thing.

This place USED to be a place where we would talk about external threats to the United States, such as Islamic terrorism. But everyone loses their minds when you talk about internal threats to individual freedoms.

461 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:56:47am

re: #460 Wargala

We don’t imprison people because of dissenting political views though.

462 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:56:58am

re: #460 Wargala

I’m saying every man has his breaking point. Sooner or later, if we went down the road of imprisoning people for dissenting political views, you’ll see more and more of this type of thing.

This place USED to be a place where we would talk about external threats to the United States, such as Islamic terrorism. But everyone loses their minds when you talk about internal threats to individual freedoms.

and murdering someone because you feel threatened by their political actions violates their freedom. You don’t get to end or threaten a life because you’re paranoid about your government.

463 wrenchwench  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:58:43am

re: #460 Wargala

I’m saying every man has his breaking point. Sooner or later, if we went down the road of imprisoning people for dissenting political views, you’ll see more and more of this type of thing.

This place USED to be a place where we would talk about external threats to the United States, such as Islamic terrorism. But everyone loses their minds when you talk about internal threats to individual freedoms.

It sounds like you are first in the ‘loses their minds’ category.

And of course ‘this place’ is high on your list of concerns. Can you not find a place to post your worries over ‘going down the road of imprisoning people for dissenting political views’ and be taken seriously? I hear they’re into that at Free Republic and some other sites.

464 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 10:58:48am

re: #460 Wargala

I’m saying every man has his breaking point. Sooner or later, if we went down the road of imprisoning people for dissenting political views, you’ll see more and more of this type of thing.

This place USED to be a place where we would talk about external threats to the United States, such as Islamic terrorism. But everyone loses their minds when you talk about internal threats to individual freedoms.

You’re a conservative (and probably Tea Bagging) thug who is endorsing political assassination by couching it in “rational” language.

465 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:00:46am

re: #460 Wargala

“This place USED to be a place where we would talk about external threats to the United States, such as Islamic terrorism. But everyone loses their minds when you talk about internal threats to individual freedoms.”

Whats with the WE shit?

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466 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:04:44am

re: #463 wrenchwench

It’s that “be taken seriously” thing that’s the problem.

467 Wargala  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:07:52am

re: #465 Bubblehead II

I had to reregister my account because I couldn’t remember my old account information.

I’ve already said this was an extreme example, but of course, no one wants to pay attention to that.

And it’s not like we have actual evidence of us imprisoning people even though we know they’ve done no wrong (see my Japanese Interment Camps example)

But hey, let’s pile on and act like our rights aren’t slowly being eaten away little by little. Warrantless wiretaps, gun control measures, TSA searches that proclaim they don’t keep your image, but do, IRS scandal, AP reporter scandal, etc.

Sure, let’s not take a hard look at the level of power being pulled out of your hands and put into the hands of members of the government. It’s difficult to take a hard look at your government you voted for and say “this isn’t what I signed up for”

468 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:13:31am

re: #467 Wargala

Sure, let’s not take a hard look at the level of power being pulled out of your hands and put into the hands of members of the government. It’s difficult to take a hard look at your government you voted for and say “this isn’t what I signed up for”

I’d say the power has shifted a lot more towards corporations and extremely wealthy individuals, wouldn’t you?

469 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:14:59am

re: #467 Wargala

And the solution is political assassination? Is this what you are supporting/suggesting?

470 lawhawk  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:17:56am

re: #240 Bubblehead II

Nope. Haven’t taken those photos - usually busy commuting during those times.

471 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:18:36am

re: #467 Wargala

You want to talk about rights going away, I think the most egregious example recently was first passed under a Republican President.

But hey, it’s called the Patriot Act.

472 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:20:12am

re: #470 lawhawk

Nope. Haven’t taken those photos - usually busy commuting during those times.

OK, looks like it would be something interesting to see in person.

473 Wargala  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:23:28am

re: #468 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You’re absolutely right. And why do you suppose they have armored limos, panic rooms, and bodyguards?

All I’m saying is that everyone…EVERYONE has a breaking point when it comes to encroaching on your rights.

But of course, everyone will just proclaim me “nuts” like Charles does, and no look into the heart of what I’m saying: That those who poke a bear with a stick shouldn’t be surprised that one day the bear might retaliate violently.

If politicians simply did things like make sure the roads were fixed, jobs were being created, and budgets were being balanced, I don’t think you’d see nearly the amount of threats against them that you do now.

474 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:27:10am

re: #473 Wargala

You’re absolutely right. And why do you suppose they have armored limos, panic rooms, and bodyguards?

A lot of them don’t. Most of the wealthy people I know don’t. Why do you believe they do? Where do you get your information?


All I’m saying is that everyone…EVERYONE has a breaking point when it comes to encroaching on your rights.

But of course, everyone will just proclaim me “nuts” like Charles does, and no look into the heart of what I’m saying: That those who poke a bear with a stick shouldn’t be surprised that one day the bear might retaliate violently.

Human aren’t bears. It’s really weird to see angry white people screaming about how they’re, through no fault of their own, going to start killing people if their rights don’t stop getting oppressed— meanwhile, black Americans are still more oppressed, still shat on by the system, and they’re far more patriotic and less anarchistic.

All I’m saying is that everyone…EVERYONE has a breaking point when it comes to encroaching on your rights.

But of course, everyone will just proclaim me “nuts” like Charles does, and no look into the heart of what I’m saying: That those who poke a bear with a stick shouldn’t be surprised that one day the bear might retaliate violently.

If politicians simply did things like make sure the roads were fixed, jobs were being created, and budgets were being balanced, I don’t think you’d see nearly the amount of threats against them that you do now.

I agree. If congress stopped trying to persecute gays, tell women they can’t get abortions, and shit like that, we’d be better off. But what can you do? The GOP are radicals.

475 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:28:36am

re: #473 Wargala

Just going to point out that violence to influence political change is typically called terrorism.

Even when it’s not a Muslim doing it.

476 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:29:03am

re: #471 klys and whatnot

I think that’s the point it’s trying to make. In it’e fevered mind

It’s the ebil gubermunt slowly stripping our rights away. Eventually, they will have stripped so many away that we will all be hauled off to the dreaded FEMA CAMPS for reeducation or worse. And the only way to stop it is to rise up and throw the yoke of tryanny from our shoulders.

And if a few Politicians have to die, hey, he’s good with that,

477 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:29:34am

re: #473 Wargala

Yup, you’re nuts.

478 jaunte  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:37:18am

Texan gets 25 years in prison for Saudi envoy plot

NEW YORK (AP) — A U.S. citizen-turned-covert Iranian operative was sentenced to 25 years in prison Thursday for plotting to kill the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States by bombing a Washington restaurant.

479 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:52:01am

re: #473 Wargala

But of course, everyone will just proclaim me “nuts” like Charles does, and no look into the heart of what I’m saying: That those who poke a bear with a stick shouldn’t be surprised that one day the bear might retaliate violently.

Problem is, for you and your conservative/Tea Bag friends, “poking a bear” means “Black Democrat running the country.”

If politicians simply did things like make sure the roads were fixed, jobs were being created, and budgets were being balanced, I don’t think you’d see nearly the amount of threats against them that you do now.

Go talk to the fucking idiot Republicans (whom I’m guessing you support) who have gridlocked Congress since 2009.

Which brings me to my next point: funny how it seems to be that Republicans aren’t seeing that many threats levied against them.

Seriously, all of your yapping amounts to “If Obama and the Democrats don’t do what we want, I’ma gonna git mah GUNZ and 2nd Amendment and stuff.”

480 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 30, 2013 11:57:58am

re: #474 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Not only that - bears are well-known as godless killing machines.

481 Wargala  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:34:20pm

re: #479 Mattand

Funny I don’t remember saying one racist thing on here, yet you want to paint me with a broad brush of the fringe. And yet, you get people who up vote you.

And you wonder why people are tired of others who play the race card.

Personally I voted for Gary Johnson as I didn’t agree with Obama’s economic policies, and Romney was just a fucking moron who only catered to himself and the wealthy. I need someone who at least pretends to care about all Americans.

Although I do agree with Obama’s anti terrorism policies and have given him credit for “getting Bin Laden”.

But that’s ok Mattand, we all know when people start calling names, it’s the first sign that you’ve lost the argument.

482 Locker  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:41:45pm

re: #481 Wargala

It doesn’t matter what your “breaking point” is… you don’t get to kill people because you don’t like something. Period.

Additionally, the government is YOU! Your friends, family, neighbors… it’s not some alien species who must be resisted. I really can’t fathom how folks can whip themselves up into a frenzy over something that isn’t happening, couldn’t happen and doesn’t even make any sense.

You know what I do when I reach my breaking point? Have a bong hit and watch The Buddha on PBS. Works a lot better than killing an elected representative.

483 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Thu, May 30, 2013 12:43:43pm

re: #288 Bulworth

Had no idea Michele Bachmann was 57. Shocked. Saw that in the NYT this am and assumed it was a misprint. Ah, well, have fun in court, Michele.

I thought she was older, too.

484 CuriousLurker  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:52:12pm

re: #434 Political Atheist

Looking at the place and time of my teens, I must be lucky. Never got addicted to anything but adrenaline. I know people that got off various addictions, alcohol, cocaine, whatever. Almost all of them were able to kick the drug habit but the tobacco holds them like a vise. Congratulations on the rest of your life CL. The cravings will diminish over time, but IMO you have the strength to face those trigger moments.

Thanks for the vote of confidence! I’m truly glad you escaped any addictions.

485 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 1:53:52pm

re: #481 Wargala

Funny I don’t remember saying one racist thing on here, yet you want to paint me with a broad brush of the fringe. And yet, you get people who up vote you.

And you wonder why people are tired of others who play the race card.

Personally I voted for Gary Johnson as I didn’t agree with Obama’s economic policies, and Romney was just a fucking moron who only catered to himself and the wealthy. I need someone who at least pretends to care about all Americans.

Although I do agree with Obama’s anti terrorism policies and have given him credit for “getting Bin Laden”.

But that’s ok Mattand, we all know when people start calling names, it’s the first sign that you’ve lost the argument.

I haven’t lost anything. You’ve been all but endorsing political assassination and I’ve been calling you out on it.

And in my book, that makes you a thug.

486 CuriousLurker  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:11:03pm

re: #475 klys and whatnot

Just going to point out that violence to influence political change is typically called terrorism.

Even when it’s not a Muslim doing it.

Thank you. I was just thinking how similar the whining sounds to that of terrorists trying to justify their murderous behavior.

487 Wargala  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:35:08pm

re: #482 Locker

You must not have paid attention in history class. Real change comes through either the voting booth, or the gun in this country. Don’t have to believe me, read up on it.

And you say when things like “couldn’t happen”, you clearly haven’t heard of things like the Japanese Internment Camps, or perhaps the Dred Scott decision that said a black man is property, or any other number of instances where individual freedoms were trampled upon and not defended like they should have.

I do find it very funny that an entire host of people can’t see basic points I’m making like Matt who seems to think that I’m endorsing assassination, when I merely pointed out that everyone has a breaking point.

You all seem to relish being blissfully ignorant of the world around you.

488 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:40:36pm

re: #487 Wargala

The information that every man has his breaking point— your idea that people will eventually freak out and attack the government if enough of their rights are taken away— is not useful, though, because some people’s breaking point is over here, and others over there. Some people’s breaking point is not being able to enslave others, for example, we fought a war over that one. Other people’s breaking point is being told to pay their taxes so that we can address things like climate change.

489 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:48:14pm

re: #487 Wargala

Really, what are you trying to say? That it’s ok that people are threatening violence to enact political change in this country because they’re at their breaking point?

I’m totally confused with regards to what your argument is.

By the way, a lot of the time, when the violence or threat of violence is aimed at driving political changes, we call that terrorism these days. (Except apparently for when it is someone defending their gun rights in America. Although if it ends up that that person is a Muslim it will be interesting to watch Fox tie themselves in knots.) Because we do, in fact, have a political system that gives us other ways to address our grievances, like adults. It is not perfect, but it’s much better than what exists in most places and I see no reason why people are freaking out so much.

You keep raising the example of the Japanese internment camps, which is a horrible chapter of American history and example of racism and xenophobia run rampant. You know what’s really interesting? The Japanese-Americans did not respond with violence. Some went on to serve with incredible distinction in WWII. They work to make sure that what happened to them isn’t forgotten but never have I heard people who were actually subject to this horribly unjust imprisonment advocating for the violent overthrow of the US government.

490 Mattand  Thu, May 30, 2013 2:53:40pm

re: #487 Wargala

You must not have paid attention in history class. Real change comes through either the voting booth, or the gun in this country. Don’t have to believe me, read up on it.

And you say when things like “couldn’t happen”, you clearly haven’t heard of things like the Japanese Internment Camps, or perhaps the Dred Scott decision that said a black man is property, or any other number of instances where individual freedoms were trampled upon and not defended like they should have.

I do find it very funny that an entire host of people can’t see basic points I’m making like Matt who seems to think that I’m endorsing assassination, when I merely pointed out that everyone has a breaking point.

You all seem to relish being blissfully ignorant of the world around you.

I’d take your “Violence happens when liberties are taken” way more seriously if wasn’t for every TeaBagger and Libertarian screaming about how the Seekrit Mooslim in the White House has run a dictatorship since 2009.

These are the people who are screaming about “2nd Amendment remedies”. These are the people who think the Gubmint gonna get ‘em. These are the people who are itching for a replay of Fort Sumter, ever since an African American was elected President. And quite frankly, all you’ve done, at best, is go “Gosh, hope it doesn’t happen, but you know…”

I’m also not the only here to pick up on that.

And some of your examples above don’t hold water. Where exactly was all of the violence the Japanese interment victims engaged in before, during, and after that whole mess? Oh, yeah, that’s right, there wasn’t.

The Rodney King riots are a prime example of what you’re talking about. However, that is a decades-long systematic discrimination of a segment of the US population. Your example of a politician ordering a hit on a citizen and their family is a paranoid fantasy right out of the Glenn Beck Remedial Coloring Book for the Reality Challenged.

So yeah, when someone comes strolling in here and goes “You know, if we keep pushing people, there’s going to be violence”, I’m going to call you out for that.

This country does have civil liberty issues it needs to address. The problem is that many of the people who are being “pushed” are racist, gun-obssessed paranoids who cannot deal with the fact their calendars don’t read 1953.

491 Varek Raith  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:01:58pm

re: #487 Wargala


ter*ror*ism

noun
1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

492 Varek Raith  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:05:01pm

WTF is this shit.

493 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:09:17pm

re: #487 Wargala

Oh I saw your basic point. Government bad. Government taking my Rights away. Government must be stopped. Yawn.

494 Varek Raith  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:11:59pm

re: #493 Bubblehead II

Oh I saw your basic point. Government bad. Government taking my Rights away. Government must be stopped. Yawn.

Terrorism against govt. OK!

495 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:12:13pm

re: #492 Varek Raith

WTF is this shit.

Typical wrnj shit. Government is bad. Government must be stopped. I am still waiting for the Tree of Liberty must be fed shit.

496 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:13:49pm

re: #494 Varek Raith

Terrorism against govt. OK!

No, Patriots against the Government. See 495

497 Wargala  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:48:39pm

re: #490 Mattand

Playing the race card again, even after I’ve corrected you that I’ve said nothing racist ever on here? That’s got to be a record. And just because I don’t support certain politicians doesn’t mean I’m affiliated with any political party or sub party.

But that’s ok, go ahead and keep making assumptions to make yourself appear to be some kind of pseudo-intellectual on the subject.

498 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 30, 2013 3:50:18pm

re: #497 Wargala

Hi, want to address any of the other questions you’ve been asked? There’s a few.

499 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:02:26pm

re: #498 klys and whatnot

Hi, want to address any of the other questions you’ve been asked? There’s a few.

It can’t, not without laying bare it’s true beliefs and getting banned. That is why it has avoided my question at #469.

500 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 30, 2013 4:31:02pm

See the Troll has once again ran off when pressed to answer questions and defend its position.


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