NSA Bombshell Story Falling Apart Under Scrutiny

A major media fail
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Bob Cesca has a thorough recap of the leaked NSA data-mining stories that have dominated the news for the past few days, with a blow-by-blow account of how the most inflammatory charges leveled by Glenn Greenwald have turned out to be false and/or exaggerated: NSA Bombshell Story Falling Apart Under Scrutiny; Key Facts Turning Out to Be Inaccurate.

It turns out, the NSA data-mining story isn’t quite the bombshell that everyone said it was. Yes, there continues to be a serious cause for concern when it comes to government spying and overreach with its counter-terrorism efforts. But the reporting from Glenn Greenwald and the Washington Post has been shoddy and misleading.

We shouldn’t shrug off our weakened privacy as a merely a side effect of the digital age, either. We ought to fight to preserve as much of our personal information as possible. So if there’s any benefit to the NSA news, it’s to serve as a reminder that, yes, the government is serious about attaining information in its war on terrorism and that we should be aware of what’s going on — checking it when it gets out of control.

But with new contravening information emerging since the original stories were posted by Greenwald and the Washington Post, it’s clear that the reporting by each news outlet was filled with possibly agenda-driven speculation and key inaccuracies.

Greenwald told CNN, “It’s well past time that we have a debate about whether that’s the kind of country and world in which we want to live.”

Canonizing bad reporting as a means of inciting a debate is as bad as no debate at all. Attachment to empirical reality must remain a central trait of the left, otherwise the progressive movement is no better than the non-reality based propagandists on the right who will say and do anything to further the conservative agenda. So perhaps some positive changes on domestic spying are eventually achieved, but at what cost? Greenwald, who doesn’t really care about “left and right,” isn’t concerned with anything other than his personal agenda and clearly he’s willing to do whatever it takes in pursuit of those goals. Specifics presently.

Read the whole thing…

(And thanks to Bob for the shout-out at the end of his article.)

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229 comments
1 Targetpractice  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:37:37pm

The more I watch this story, the more I’m reminded of the Benghazi “bombshell” emails that turned out to be anything but.

2 Kragar  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:40:01pm

You know, if they keep this up 1 or 2 dozen more times and they might start to loose credibility.

3 Gus  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:45:48pm

Word.

4 Lidane  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:50:10pm

So in other words, Greenwald was full of shit. Again.

5 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:51:04pm

re: #4 Lidane

So in other words, Greenwald was full of shit. Again.

Hopefully, the Guardian will finally be embarrassed enough to can his ass.

6 Kragar  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:51:52pm
7 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:52:07pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

We can only hope that they get the message.

8 Lidane  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:52:49pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Hopefully, the Guardian will finally be embarrassed enough to can his ass.

They’ll keep him until Fox News hires him on.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:53:08pm

re: #6 Kragar

Image: Right_Wing_Reporter_at_large.jpg

Neither paper that start this epic DERP is right of center. This FAIL is a thing of the left more than of the right.

10 Gus  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:54:23pm

re: #6 Kragar

Image: Right_Wing_Reporter_at_large.jpg

You killed the internets.

11 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:57:09pm

WTF does this Derp even mean?

12 Lidane  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:58:56pm

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

It means that Fischer’s meds were switched with sugar pills.

13 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 7:59:26pm

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

He wants to make it look like it is the President’s fault when it is this Greenwald person.

14 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:00:03pm
15 Kragar  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:00:10pm

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

WTF does this Derp even mean?

It means someone replaced Fischer’s usual coffee with Folger’s crystals.

16 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:02:24pm

re: #15 Kragar

It means someone replaced Fischer’s usual coffee with Folger’s meth crystals.

17 ProTARDISLiberal  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:02:27pm

re: #12 Lidane

I’m gonna with the theory he is having bear troubles again.

18 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:02:39pm

re: #15 Kragar

It means someone replaced Fischer’s usual coffee with Folger’s crystals of meth.

Improved.

19 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:03:10pm

re: #17 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m gonna with the theory he is having bear troubles again.

Was Sarah Palin involved?

20 Gus  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:03:18pm

Woot!

21 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:03:46pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Another good analysis of this mess: The Real Story in the NSA Scandal Is the Collapse of Journalism.

Page worthy?

22 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:04:27pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

If there is a lot of “word salad” around Sarah is near.

23 jaunte  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:05:36pm
The Post compounded its error by quietly correcting its story and not publicly acknowledging that there were errors in the original story. In fact, the revised story still claims the NSA and the FBI are “tapping directly into the central servers” of those companies when that allegation no longer appears to be true.

In short, one of the great journalistic institutions of the 20th Century is now engaged in outright click-baiting, following the same “publish first, fact-check later” rules as its newer online competitors.
zdnet.com

24 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:17:40pm

Greenwald breitbarted the NSA story.

25 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:20:25pm

re: #23 jaunte

There is a slide in the power point that says “direct collection” of data from the servers, but since it doesn’t specify who does the collecting it’s too vague to assume that there’s a direct NSA hook up into Google’s servers. Instead I would assume that someone at google does the collecting direct from their servers and then passes the specific data over.

26 BigPapa  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:22:21pm

I”m sure the NSA would get a ton of data from Apple. Like the entire Beatles library.

27 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:25:23pm

The rest of this story: Public data is public data. Anytime you go to facebook and look at a friend’s public page you are directly connecting to facebook servers to acquire that public data. So yeah, the NSA could be directly collecting data from public pages and public searches.

28 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:27:04pm

re: #24 Randall Gross

Greenwald breitbarted the NSA story.

Exactly. He dishonestly edited the information and rushed to print without making sure there was anything behind it. Vintage Breitbart.

29 Randall Gross  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:32:16pm

I’d love to get my hands on the meta data of that PPT…

30 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:33:40pm

How is life this evening?

31 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:35:38pm
32 jaunte  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:36:44pm

Did anyone ever explain why there were two versions of the
“Dates when PRISM collection began for each provider” PPT slide?

economicpolicyjournal.com

wired.com

33 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:37:58pm

re: #31 FemNaziBitch

I don’t know. Do you think this portrait works in this location?

No, the location is too spare.

34 AlexRogan  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:38:56pm

re: #15 Kragar

It means someone replaced Fischer’s usual coffee with Folger’s crystals.

Damn you, I was thinking of the same joke!

35 Lidane  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 8:48:04pm

re: #30 FemNaziBitch

How is life this evening?

Not bad. I’m on a nostalgia kick music-wise, so I’ve got Tony Bennett going tonight:

Youtube Video

36 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 9:02:45pm

re: #30 FemNaziBitch

How is life this evening?

Just got home in time to see the Chicago/LA hockey playoffs. It’s now in the 2nd overtime.

37 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 9:03:44pm

And just like that Chicago wins. They are going to the Stanley Cup Finals!

38 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 9:07:41pm

re: #37 NJDhockeyfan

And just like that Chicago wins. They are going to the Stanley Cup Finals!

so exciting

:)

39 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 9:07:41pm

And a Jonathan Toews pass on a 2-on-1 breakaway gives Patrick Kane the chance he needs to score the series winning goal for the Chicago Blackhawks, winning Game 5 of the Western Conference Finals 4-3 in double OT!

Kane’s hat trick set up the 2013 Stanley Cup Finals, which will see the Blackhawks take on the Boston Bruins beginning Wednesday at The United Center.

Go Blackhawks!

40 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 9:11:12pm

This should be a great series.

41 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 9:26:36pm

re: #40 NJDhockeyfan

This should be a great series.

Two of the original six.

Cool.

42 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 9:34:42pm

The Stanley Cup is by far the best championship trophy in sports. I love the history and stories of where it has been over the years. Here are a few of them…

15 Weirdest Places The Stanley Cup Has Been

…15. The Bottom of a Swimming Pool

After the Penguins won the Cup in 1992, the team had a pool party at Mario Lemieux’s house. At that party, Phil Bourque decided it would be fun to see if the Stanley Cup floats, so he jumped in with the thing and let go. Of course, it immediately filled with water and sank to the bottom of the pool…where the hollow base acted like a suction cup gasket sealing the Cup to the bottom.

Yes, that’s right. The Stanley Cup didn’t just sink to the bottom of Mario’s pool. It got stuck there.

Apparently the players had to organize themselves into diving teams and take turns trying to pry the thing off. By the end of the night, they’d retrieved their Holy Grail, but it was definitely lopsided. Thus, legend has it they all had to extra careful when holding it up for the victory parade the next day.

9. At a House Party Thrown by Pantera

In 1999, heavy metal band Pantera wrote a theme song for the Dallas Stars’ playoff run. So when the team actually brought the Cup to Texas, the rockers hosted a huge bash for the team at the house of drummer Vinnie Paul. At this point, the stories of what happened vary. Everyone agrees that the Cup ended up in the swimming pool (again), but they don’t agree on how it got there. Vinnie Paul says Guy Carbonneau threw it into the pool from a second-floor balcony; however, Walt Neubrand—better known as the Keeper of the Cup—says that didn’t happen. He was there, of course, and he says a player holding the cup was pushed into the pool.

I’ll let you decide for yourself which guy you want to believe.

3. At a Baptism

Believe it or not, the Stanley Cup has been used as a baptismal font on two separate occasions. In 1996, Sylvain Lefebvre of the Colorado Avalanche used the Cup to baptize his daughter, Alexzandra. Then, in 2008, Tomas Holmstrom of the Red Wings let his cousin baptize his daughter in the cup—in Sweden.

Of course, the Stanley Cup was already the “Holy Grail,” but after holding the holy water for these baptisms that nickname became literal.

1. A War Zone

In 2007, the NHL and the NHLPA took the Stanley Cup to an active war zone—Kandahar, Afghanistan—for the very first time, where it apparently survived missiles being fired at its plane and a separate missile attack on the base at which it was staying. (Yeah, the Cup handlers survived, too, but who cares about them.)

There American soldiers got a kick out of seeing the Stanley Cup in Afghanistan, but the thing was a rock star to the Canadian troops stationed over there…as you would expect. Since then, it’s been back on several more occasions, and it hasn’t been blown up yet.

43 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 9:50:40pm

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

The Stanley Cup is by far the best championship trophy in sports. I love the history and stories of where it has been over the years. Here are a few of them…

15 Weirdest Places The Stanley Cup Has Been

…15. The Bottom of a Swimming Pool

9. At a House Party Thrown by Pantera

3. At a Baptism

1. A War Zone

It’s as old as hell.

44 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 9:51:13pm

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

The Stanley Cup is by far the best championship trophy in sports. I love the history and stories of where it has been over the years. Here are a few of them…

15 Weirdest Places The Stanley Cup Has Been

…15. The Bottom of a Swimming Pool

9. At a House Party Thrown by Pantera

3. At a Baptism

1. A War Zone

Great stories. As for me, I hope its time for the Cup to come back to Chicago.

Good Night, all.

45 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 9:54:53pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Great stories. As for me, I hope its time for the Cup to come back to Chicago.

Good Night, all.

Canadian cup belongs in Canada.

46 stabby  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 10:21:03pm

“I know CNN has taken some knocks lately, but I admire their commitment to cover all sides of the story in case one of them happens to be accurate” - Barack Obama

47 bratwurst  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 10:37:23pm
48 Lidane  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 10:42:34pm


49 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 11:07:15pm

As I don’t give two-shits about hockey, I watched this Frontline piece instead.

Pages Post —link to PBS site.

50 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 11:27:41pm

Meanwhile, I now have the distinction of being called a “whiny baby” by Glenn Greenwald. In addition to “really dumb” and illiterate.

51 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 11:28:20pm

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52 engineer cat  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 11:29:57pm

middle of the night - time for scary things, like ghost stories. how about the ravings of a crazy person?

Gentlemen,
this is John Rambo, Anti-Feminist Soldier. I am posting this on behalf of Peter-Andrew: Nolan(c) also now known as Joschua-Brandon: Boehm(c). I am doing this because, as a young men who knows Peter well, I know he has our best interests at heart.

Gentlemen,
It is well known that five years ago, April 2008, I spent a month suicidal as I went through the process of disowning my former children. When I came out of that rather unpleasant experience I contacted other men who had been similarly affected. I realized that many men were killing themselves because of the criminal abuse of the family law courts all across the western English speaking world.

As a direct result of this experience, and my compassion for my fellow men, I made a vow in June 2008 to re-introduce the rule of law into Australia and Ireland. Naturally, at the time I made the vow I had no idea how that might be done. We call it “throw your hat over the wall”. You make the vow and “figure it out later”.

Along the way I have talked to many tens of thousands of men, perhaps as many as 100,000 men have seen at least one comment by me one way or another. What I heard from men in 2008 was that they were DESPERATE for a remedy for the crimes being committed against them in the family courts. They were DESPERATE to find a way to end the criminal effects of feminism on their lives. Because so many men told me the same thing I mistook this to mean they actually WANTED to solve the problems of the family courts and feminism. As I said. My mistake.

Through very extensive research and labour, and collaborating with the best and brightest, the remedy for both the family courts and feminism was proven on 2009-11-26. A mere 18 months after I was suicidal. The court meeting that I did on 2009-11-26 I regard as one of the finest achievements of my life. Regardless? The very men I risked my life to create a remedy for have ignored that remedy, preferring to whine, bitch, moan and complain because that is far more rewarding to them than actually solving their problems. If they solved their problems they would have nothing to whine, bitch, moan and complain about.

The remedy has now been available 2.5 times as long as it took to develop and has proved uniquely unpopular. I am hated for even talking about it. The blood of every man who kills himself due to criminal abuse in the family courts is on the hands of those perhaps 100,000+ men who have heard from me and done nothing. I did all I could. They did not. It is actually very simple.

The mechanism for men to free themselves now is the Mens Business Association. The MBA provides individual based services to get men out of the control grid. Such services may well save the mans life from suicide. Going forward? It is necessary to create second economy outside the control of any government entity. Why criminals in governments can dominate and control men via the economy they will continue to do so. There is no reason for them to stop. The MBA is the proposal of a second economy outside the control of the government. This is a NECESSARY ingredient for men to live in freedom.

Only a small percentage of men will want to live in freedom. Those men who want to live in freedom? You are invited to watch a short update on how we are going in our efforts to get the second economy going. Naturally? The second economy will grow just as quickly or slowly as men join in and contribute to it. Those who want to “stick with the government run economies”? You are welcome to do so. I wish you luck with that because you are going to need it.

best regards

your brother peter

53 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 11:30:28pm
54 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 11:44:56pm

heh

55 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 11:45:25pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, I now have the distinction of being called a “whiny baby” by Glenn Greenwald. In addition to “really dumb” and illiterate.

Not relevant?

56 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jun 8, 2013 11:49:19pm

Hmm. Posting tweets doesn’t seem to be working right in Spy mode. I’ll fix it tomorrow.

57 Lidane  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 12:17:27am

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

Related:

Image: picard.jpg

58 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 1:02:24am
59 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 1:11:35am

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60 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 2:06:01am

Glenn Beck Greenwald is a raving freakazoid nut sandwich.
;)

61 Kragar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 2:33:43am

re: #60 Varek Raith

Glenn Beck Greenwald is a raving freakazoid nut sandwich.
;)

Anyone named Glenn is suspect at this point.
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62 EdDantes  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 2:39:01am

I have something to say about the difference between American and European cities. But I’ve forgotten what it is. I have it written down at home somewhere.

63 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 3:00:36am

re: #62 EdDantes

I have something to say about the difference between American and European cities. But I’ve forgotten what it is. I have it written down at home somewhere.

Things are laid out more closely in European cities? For instance, I have four grocery stores within easy walking distance of my apartment; all of the residential areas here do as well.

64 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 3:05:45am

re: #61 Kragar

Anyone named Glenn is suspect at this point.
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With a few exceptions, of course.

65 EdDantes  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 3:11:02am

Metal buildings are the dream that Modern Architects had at the beginning of this century. It has finally come true, but they themselves don’t realize it. That’s because it doesn’t take an Architect to build a metal building. You just order them out of a catalog - comes with a bunch of guys who put it together in a couple of days, maybe a week. And there you go - you’re all set to go into business - just slap a sign out front.

66 mr.JA  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 3:13:30am

So, I haven’t really followed the whole PRISM story, but I thought the big thing was that the government ordered very broad data from a phone company.
The collection of anonymized online data doesn’t bother me so much, but a government that asks to turn-over very broadly phone records does, since that would fall under ‘warrentless searches’.
Although I can understand the terrorism thread and whatnot, has terrorism been used as a wide excuse (by GWB and the current administration) to enforce things like the Patriot Act and establish Gitmo. In the meanwhile, many innocent people die b/c of smoking and unsafe gun use - maybe it is time to focus on those killers, instead of some phantom enemy…
I dunno, I don’t like such extensive and broad government surveillance - I can somehow live with some form of anonymized data transfer, but orders like that given to phone companies is something I completely dislike.

67 EdDantes  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 3:22:19am

Like the song says, it’s a scientific lifestyle.

68 EdDantes  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 3:28:37am

Some people say ‘Freeways are the Cathedrals of our time’. Not me.

69 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 3:47:31am

re: #66 mr.JA

If you haven’t followed it that closely, maybe you should read up on it some?

70 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 4:03:55am

re: #65 EdDantes

Metal buildings are the dream that Modern Architects had at the beginning of this century. It has finally come true, but they themselves don’t realize it. That’s because it doesn’t take an Architect to build a metal building. You just order them out of a catalog - comes with a bunch of guys who put it together in a couple of days, maybe a week. And there you go - you’re all set to go into business - just slap a sign out front.

Did some work in this metal building—a prefabricated (cast iron) machine shop transported to Watervliet Arsenal in 1859. Similar buildings were available from catalogs.

museumsusa.org

wva.army.mil

71 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 4:39:12am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

My grandfather was traveling somewhere in SoCal during the boom times of the 50s, and he said there was a line of twenty or so flatbeds taking prefab houses along the highway once. Communities springing up within months.

72 otoc  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 5:31:22am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Since when is making a critique of shoddy and irresponsible reporting whining? When the curtain gets drawn that the reality depicted is not true? Keep on whining, Charles. It’s winning in my book.

73 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 5:39:16am

re: #71 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

My grandfather was traveling somewhere in SoCal during the boom times of the 50s, and he said there was a line of twenty or so flatbeds taking prefab houses along the highway once. Communities springing up within months.

That building was a machine shop for more than a hundred years. It came up the Hudson River to its location at the entrance to the Erie Canal. The bolt-together cast-iron panels were quite heavy.

74 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 5:46:06am

re: #45 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Canadian cup belongs in Canada.

Now I want some Canadian Club …

75 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:09:27am

The program my wife is using to plot curves for cancer-cell drug resistance is called PRISM.

Coincidence?!?!

76 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:15:35am

lemming pledge:

There are two big findings: One, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), the former 2012 Republican vice-presidential nominee, and Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) are leading the pack. And two, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie — despite his crossover appeal — is trailing among Republicans and conservatives.
And get this: Christie has better ratings among liberal Democrats (44% positive, 14% negative) than he does among Republicans (40% favorable, 16% unfavorable) or conservatives (33 favorable, 15% unfavorable).
Among Republican respondents in the NBC/WSJ poll:
Paul Ryan: 62% favorable, 13% unfavorable (Dec. 2012 poll)
Rand Paul: 53% favorable, 6% unfavorable (April 2013)
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.): 49% favorable, 6% unfavorable (April 2013)
Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush: 48% favorable, 7% unfavorable (May-June 2013)
Chris Christie: 40% favorable, 16% unfavorable (May-June 2013)
Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker: 21% favorable, 5% unfavorable (May-June 2013)
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas): 21% favorable, 6% unfavorable (May-June 2013)
And here’s the ranking among conservative respondents in our poll:
Paul Ryan: 58% favorable, 11% unfavorable
Rand Paul: 47% favorable, 5% unfavorable
Marco Rubio: 45% favorable, 6% unfavorable
Jeb Bush: 44% favorable, 7% unfavorable
Chris Christie: 33% favorable, 15% unfavorable
Ted Cruz: 21% favorable, 6% unfavorable
Scott Walker 19% favorable, 5% unfavorable

77 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:21:30am

re: #76 engineer cat

The GOP is doomed …Ryan and Paul will not have any sort of broad appeal. It may be too soon for Hispanic candidate, so Rubio may not get much traction either. Cruz is a wackaloon. Bush and Christie might be able to woo some moderates from the Democratic fold, if they don’t swing too far to the Tea Party/Christianist right. After Walker sinks Wisconsin, no one will touch him with a ten-foot pole.

78 Flounder  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:23:47am

re: #66 mr.JA

You do not need a warrant to search phone records, because they are just records of numbers people called, not the content of the call.

79 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:25:53am

re: #45 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Canadian cup belongs in Canada.

Bah, you had your chance! 4 Canadian teams made the playoffs this year (out of a total of 7 Canadian team). Only the Ottawa Senators made it out of the first round and they lost there to the Penguins (who were eliminated in turn by the Bruins). Canada’s NHL teams had their chance, but couldn’t get it done. Now it’s Chi-town versus Beantown.

80 Flounder  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:27:45am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

I didn’t know there was a museum there, I drive by it all the time. Time to boor the crap outta my daughter! My son will fake an interest.

81 Joanne  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:28:43am

re: #66 mr.JA

My understanding is they’re storing phone numbers, dates and length of calls so that if they need the records of, say, the Boston bombers, they can go back and look through the records for known associates.

It’s been stressed that there is no content mining at all.

And as privacy crazy as I am (I do not use my real name on Facebook, for example), I’m ok with this program.

Of course, any program could be abused by any administration.

82 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:29:17am

re: #75 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The program my wife is using to plot curves for cancer-cell drug resistance is called PRISM.

Coincidence?!?!

No, it just prove that she’s an agent of George Soros, and so are you. You’re clearly just here to keep the sheeple from learning The Truth. Why else would never see a conspiracy, even when ones like Benghazi are fairly obvious.

/Must I?

83 Flounder  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:32:32am

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Ssshhhh
I’ve been tracking these two for years!

84 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:34:16am

re: #80 Flounder

I didn’t know there was a museum there, I drive by it all the time. Time to boor the crap outta my daughter! My son will fake an interest.

The museum has been put in this building since I was there, but every major installation has one (some are so highly technical they might be boring). Watervliet is inherently interesting—it’s the oldest continuous producer of weaponry in the DoD. Aside from all the things that go boom, the building itself and the ancient machine shop really drops back into the 1800s.

When it was part of our command, it had the world state-of-the-art in some areas, was actually ahead of that in some R&D.

85 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:36:04am

re: #74 wheat-dogghazi

Now I want some Canadian Club …

he doesn’t post here anymore!!!

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86 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:37:57am

re: #80 Flounder

I didn’t know there was a museum there, I drive by it all the time. Time to boor the crap outta my daughter! My son will fake an interest.

Your son might take an active interest if you relate parts of the museum to points in military history he would find interesting. Perhaps get him some WWII model tanks or artillery pieces.

87 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:38:51am

re: #85 sattv4u2

he doesn’t post here anymore!!!

//

Shame—he was well placed to give us the early morning High Weirdness from Florida. Good that he’s got work and progress, though.

88 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:39:15am

re: #80 Flounder

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps get him some WWII model tanks or artillery pieces.

He;ll be the envy of his group!!
/

89 Joanne  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:39:23am

re: #76 engineer cat

I’ve been saying all along that Christie cannot make it thru a primary. He’d do well in a general (unfortunately, since while he’s not crazy, he’s still a GOP dick; stopped the building of a train project that would have created tons of jobs and reduced car traffic, seriously fucked those evil teachers, all the things Rick Scott did).

I’m in no way sad that he might not get past a GOP primary.

90 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:39:34am

What I do?

[Checks for battle damage.]

//

91 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:39:55am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Shame—he was well placed to give us the early morning High Weirdness from Florida. Good that he’s got work and progress, though.

Yeah,,,,, some of the mug shots/ stories were great!!

92 Flounder  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:40:51am

re: #88 sattv4u2

I’ve been meaning to make him a potato launcher.

93 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:40:57am

What happened with the NSA Dulles airport caper?

94 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:42:04am

re: #92 Flounder

I’ve been meaning to make him a potato launcher.

Follow the same rules as firearms. There has been at least one documented fatality from looking down the barrel at a hangfire.

95 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:45:09am

She’s the daughter of Rosie O’Grady.
A regular old fashioned goil.

96 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:47:21am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Shame—he was well placed to give us the early morning High Weirdness from Florida. Good that he’s got work and progress, though.

In his honor/ memory

Beer bandito bluffed cashier with rodent ruse

sun-sentinel.com

97 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:52:24am

I, fallllll to pieces…deeng doong doong.

98 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:53:13am

Visualize world peace and no secrets now! Sign petition at link!

[Goes for more coffee.]

//

99 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:54:07am

re: #98 Gus

Visualize world peace and no secrets now! Sign petition at link!

[Goes for more coffee.]

//

get me a muffin while you’re up

100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:54:43am

re: #93 Gus

What happened with the NSA Dulles airport caper?

The problem is that the guy recorded the conversation but accidentally recorded over the Michelle Obama “Whitey” tape.

101 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:54:56am

re: #95 Gus

She’s the daughter of Rosie O’Grady.
A regular old fashioned goil.

She isn’t crazy for diamond rings,
Silkens and satins and fancy things.
She’s just a sweet little lady,
And when you meet her you’ll see,
Why I’m glad I collared the daughter of Rosie O’Grady.

Youtube Video

102 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:56:27am

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Now it’s Chi-town versus Beantown.

btw ,, Bruins in 6

103 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:56:48am

Mornin’ varmints.

104 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:57:05am

re: #85 sattv4u2

he doesn’t post here anymore!!!

//

It’s OK. Johnnie Walker showed up in his red jacket.

105 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:57:30am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

O’Reilly’s Daughter

Youtube Video

106 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:57:38am

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

She isn’t crazy for diamond rings,
Silkens and satins and fancy things.
She’s just a sweet little lady,
And when you meet her you’ll see,
Why I’m glad I collared the daughter of Rosie O’Grady.

[Embedded content]

Exactly.

107 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:58:03am

re: #103 darthstar

Mornin’ varmints.

Who’ll be Foghorn Leghorn?

108 sattv4u2  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 6:58:57am

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

109 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:00:00am

re: #108 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

Crap weather headed your way.

110 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:00:40am

I eat leghorns for breakfast.

111 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:03:42am

Suddenly a footstep on the stairs,
who should it be but Reilly out for slaughter
With two pistols in his hands,
looking for the man that had married his daughter

Giddy I ae, giddy I ae, giddy I ae for the one-eyed Reilly
Giddy I ae, (clap, clap, clap) try it on your old big drum

I caught old Reilly by the hair,
rammed his head in a pail of water
Fired his pistols into the air,
a damned sight quicker than I married his daughter

112 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:03:51am

re: #102 sattv4u2

Now it’s Chi-town versus Beantown.

btw ,, Bruins in 6

Hockey needs to get their shit together and have their season end while it’s still something like Winter…hell, even mid-spring would be okay (end of March, mid-April). But it’s fucking June. Temperature at my parents place in Redding yesterday was 113, with a warm breeze…fuck, at that temp it feels like a convection oven. Sacramento was 107 as tweeted by our own Gus. Point is, it’s fucking hot, and the last thing anyone gives a flying fuck about while there is a non-stop river of perspiration running down the crack of their ass and dripping from their balls is a bunch of guys wearing big baggy clothes slamming each other against the wall as they scurry about chasing a little frozen piece of rubber.

113 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:04:45am

re: #107 Gus

Who’ll be Foghorn Leghorn?

I say, I say, son…I’d be obliged.

114 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:05:47am

re: #100 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

The problem is that the guy recorded the conversation but accidentally recorded over the Michelle Obama “Whitey” tape.

Okay, that’s funny.

115 Flounder  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:09:52am

Some metal for breffist:
Youtube Video

Five Finger Death Punch with Rob Halford (at 1:35)
Rob’s voice kinda annoyed me years ago, but dammit he sounds great in this!

116 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:13:46am

re: #102 sattv4u2

Now it’s Chi-town versus Beantown.

btw ,, Bruins in 6

No, Blackhawks in 6. Want to root for Boston, fine. But the Blackhawks have home ice, ace shooters, relentless tactics, and an Olympic quality goalie. The Bruins will be unable to overcome that.

117 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:14:54am

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

No, Blackhawks in 6.

See #112

118 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:15:12am

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

No, Blackhawks in 6. Want to root for Boston, fine. But the Blackhawks have home ice, ace shooters, relentless tactics, and an Olympic quality goalie. The Bruins will be unable to overcome that.

Chicago needs to win something.

119 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:18:52am
120 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:24:26am

re: #118 Iwouldprefernotto

Chicago needs to win something.

We won in 2010, and now we’ll do it again!

re: #112 darthstar

The NHL lockout caused the (shortened) regular season to end late, and many of the playoff series have gone to 6 games, several to 7 games. That’s why the Stanley Cup finals are starting late.

121 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:25:52am

I like Grumpy Cat as Flash, but Aquaman is also pretty funny.

Image: 941173_616143768396020_784266360_n.jpg

122 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:28:24am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

We won in 2010, and now we’ll do it again!

re: #112 darthstar

The NHL lockout caused the (shortened) regular season to end late, and many of the playoff series have gone to 6 games, several to 7 games. That’s why the Stanley Cup finals are starting late.

I was referring to the Cubs. ;)

123 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:28:29am
124 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:28:37am

re: #121 darthstar

I like Grumpy Cat as Flash, but Aquaman is also pretty funny.

Image: 941173_616143768396020_784266360_n.jpg

I wonder if her expression would perk up if a mouse ran by. I think that likely, but people might not find the cat as funny after watching it kill.

125 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:29:38am
126 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:29:59am

re: #125 darthstar

Too late! //

127 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:30:04am

re: #123 Gus

Glenn Greenwald isn’t a ‘right winger’. He’s a moonbat, not a wingnut.

128 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:30:25am

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Glenn Greenwald isn’t a ‘right winger’. He’s a moonbat, not a wingnut.

Wingbat.

129 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:31:08am

re: #128 Gus

Wingbat.

Flack

130 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:31:19am

It’s kind of funny because no one side wants to “own” Greenwald.

131 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:31:36am

re: #129 wheat-dogghazi

Flack

Opportunist.

132 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:31:37am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

We won in 2010, and now we’ll do it again!

re: #112 darthstar

The NHL lockout caused the (shortened) regular season to end late, and many of the playoff series have gone to 6 games, several to 7 games. That’s why the Stanley Cup finals are starting late.

Good Morning D_F. How goes things?
You know I’ve never watched a hockey game..Even the highlights on ESPN bore me to tears..LOL What can I say?

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:35:01am

re: #132 HoosierHoops

Good Morning D_F. How goes things?
You know I’ve never watched a hockey game..Even the highlights on ESPN bore me to tears..LOL What can I say?

I’m starting a new event tomorrow. So I don’t have to research this weekend and have been taking the time to rest.

134 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:37:49am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

We won in 2010, and now we’ll do it again!

re: #112 darthstar

The NHL lockout caused the (shortened) regular season to end late, and many of the playoff series have gone to 6 games, several to 7 games. That’s why the Stanley Cup finals are starting late.

Regular season is 1st week of October-June (often mid-June). It’s been this way for over twenty years (since 1992). Or maybe just get rid of the Stanley Cup all together and make it a year-round sport. People would love that.

135 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:37:54am

re: #123 Gus

Most emphatically not defending Greenwald here, but just to be fair, he didn’t call immigrants “a parade of evils”, he said that immigrants cause a “parade of evils”.

136 allegro  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:39:56am

re: #135 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Most emphatically not defending Greenwald here, but just to be fair, he didn’t call immigrants “a parade of evils”, he said that immigrants cause a “parade of evils”.

I imagine Native Americans would agree. The difference is that they have a point.

137 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:40:20am

re: #135 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Most emphatically not defending Greenwald here, but just to be fair, he didn’t call immigrants “a parade of evils”, he said that immigrants cause a “parade of evils”.

Read on about the part about “national identity.” He sounds like Pat Buchanan.

138 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:45:11am

Reading Greenwald’s tweets, he’s a real piece of work.

139 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:46:44am

re: #115 Flounder

Some metal for breffist:
[Embedded content]

Five Finger Death Punch with Rob Halford (at 1:35)
Rob’s voice kinda annoyed me years ago, but dammit he sounds great in this!

They will be playing down near Pittsburgh soon. My buddy has been hinting around about heading down and catch their show.

140 Joanne  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:47:03am

re: #131 Gus

And fearmonger.

141 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:47:41am

re: #137 Gus

Read on about the part about “national identity.” He sounds like Pat Buchanan.

What part of “most emphatically not defending Greenwald here” was unclear?

142 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:47:50am

re: #140 Joanne

And fearmonger.

There’s a certain tinge of sovereign citizen with Greenwald.

143 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:53:43am

re: #137 Gus

Read on about the part about “national identity.” He sounds like Pat Buchanan.

He is kind of his own thing. I’ve seen him compared politically with Charles Lindbergh before.

144 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:53:46am
145 thedopefishlives  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:54:13am

Morning Lizardim.

146 Lidane  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:55:18am

re: #142 Gus

There’s a certain tinge of sovereign citizen with Greenwald.

Which is ironic, considering he lives in Brazil. For all his Sturm und Drang about how horrible America is becoming, he doesn’t even live here anymore.

147 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:56:44am

re: #141 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

What part of “most emphatically not defending Greenwald here” was unclear?

Roger. Copy. Over.

148 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:58:55am

Okay…moving on to basketball, since the NBA is also in the finals of their season. What if we changed the rules and gave NBA players the level of contact NHL players enjoy before calling a foul, and limit NHL to the NBA rules for fouls? We’d have basketball games that ended 2-0 and hockey games with 30+ points by each team.

149 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 7:59:39am

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

Glenn Greenwald isn’t a ‘right winger’. He’s a moonbat, not a wingnut.

he’a a fucking “pundit”, and on that subject this is all i have to say:

Fuck Pundits

150 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:00:07am

Ugandan Minister: Gay Sex Wrong; Men Raping Girls ‘Natural’

…Fry noted that the documentary brought him to places as diverse as Russia, Brazil, India, the United States, and Uganda. And then he dropped a bombshell:

I actually got a Ugandan minister to say on camera — he’s the Minister for Ethics and Integrity; it’s the only such ministry in the world — and I said to him, ‘Look, even if these… utterly false supports on which you base your homophobia were true, which they aren’t, there’s so much more to worry about in your country than the odd gay person going to bed with the other gay person. For example, you have almost an epidemic of child rape in this country, which is just frightening.’ And he said, ‘Ah, but it is the right kind of child rape.’

Ferguson and the audience were understandably stunned. Fry continued:

I said ‘That was on camera. Do you know that that was on camera?’ He said yes. I said, ‘Can you just explain what you mean? He said, ‘Well, it is men raping girls, which is natural.’…

151 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:01:12am

re: #148 darthstar

Okay…moving on to basketball, since the NBA is also in the finals of their season. What if we changed the rules and gave NBA players the level of contact NHL players enjoy before calling a foul, and limit NHL to the NBA rules for fouls? We’d have basketball games that ended 2-0 and hockey games with 30+ points by each team.

FULL CONTACT GOLF!

152 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:01:53am

re: #150 Gus

Ugandan Minister: Gay Sex Wrong; Men Raping Girls ‘Natural’

Ferguson and the audience were understandably stunned. Fry continued:

Image: simon_lokodo.jpg

153 engineer cat  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:02:33am

the Minister for Ethics and Integrity

in charge of preventing them

154 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:03:34am

A little bondo and paint and this mustang won’t even look like it’s been through a tornado.

Youtube Video

155 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:03:45am

re: #148 darthstar

Okay…moving on to basketball, since the NBA is also in the finals of their season. What if we changed the rules and gave NBA players the level of contact NHL players enjoy before calling a foul, and limit NHL to the NBA rules for fouls? We’d have basketball games that ended 2-0 and hockey games with 30+ points by each team.

NOOoooo!
I did smile thinking what it would have looked like seeing Shaq with ice skates.
But …No..Stop it!
LOL

156 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:06:45am

re: #151 Eventual Carrion

FULL CONTACT GOLF!

They should at least allow stepping on the other guy’s ball.

157 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:07:13am

re: #153 engineer cat

the Minister for Ethics and Integrity

in charge of preventing them

Former Catholic priest and a practicing Catholic. O_o

158 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:07:20am

FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) — Two Oklahoma teachers who used their bodies to shield kindergarteners when their school took a direct hit from a tornado were honored at the IndyCar race in Texas on Saturday night.

Heroes walk among us every day.

159 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:07:39am

re: #152 Gus

This guy could run for Congress. He’d fit right in with Todd Akins, et al.

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:08:39am

re: #47 bratwurst

Call it “My Twitter With Andre”.

161 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:08:55am

re: #155 HoosierHoops

NOOoooo!
I did smile thinking what it would have looked like seeing Shaq with ice skates.
But …No..Stop it!
LOL

He’d have been a nightmare to play against in hockey, too. Big, smart, and strong with good self-discipline, Shaquille O’Neal exemplified the qualities of a champion as a basketball player.

162 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:09:21am

re: #155 HoosierHoops

NOOoooo!
I did smile thinking what it would have looked like seeing Shaq with ice skates.
But …No..Stop it!
LOL

No…I’m not combining the sports. The heat would kill the blackhawks on the ice. But allow full body checks to any player in possession of the ball? Fuck yeah. Court-side seats would require body armor. Not for the players, but the fans.

163 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:11:26am

re: #156 darthstar

They should at least allow stepping on the other guy’s ball.

I want to see skeet shooting combined with golf. I could probably watch it on TV then. I like to play the game myself, but I can’t watch more than 5 - 10 min of it on TV. SportsCenter recaps are fine because they show the more amazing shots.

I have a love-hate relationship with golf.

164 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:12:35am

re: #162 darthstar

No…I’m not combining the sports. The heat would kill the blackhawks on the ice. But allow full body checks to any player in possession of the ball? Fuck yeah. Court-side seats would require body armor. Not for the players, but the fans.

Well, that would meet with the NRA’s approval.

//

165 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:17:16am

Well that crane operator in Philly was stoned. On pot. Just a reminder for people not to get high on ANYTHING when operating machinery, driving, etc.

166 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:19:07am

re: #162 darthstar

No…I’m not combining the sports. The heat would kill the blackhawks on the ice. But allow full body checks to any player in possession of the ball? Fuck yeah. Court-side seats would require body armor. Not for the players, but the fans.

LOL
I liked it back in the 70’s and 80’s when real men played Ball and it was more physical than today..
After College I was banned from a church league for my physical play. A freaking church league!
Effen wimps..I like a good hard pick and we will be ‘touching’ under the boards.

167 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:19:59am

re: #148 darthstar

Okay…moving on to basketball, since the NBA is also in the finals of their season. What if we changed the rules and gave NBA players the level of contact NHL players enjoy before calling a foul, and limit NHL to the NBA rules for fouls? We’d have basketball games that ended 2-0 and hockey games with 30+ points by each team.

If you really wanted to drop scoring in basketball you could do two things:
1. Allow all defenses including zones
2. Go back to the high-school and rule book definitions of traveling, double-dribble, and carry - and enforce it that way. None of this 3-steps in order to make a jam crap.

The real major difference between the sports beyond the surface played on is that one has a dedicated goal tender.

168 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:21:18am
169 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:22:45am
170 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:23:56am

Some really weird people on the internet. Who knew?

//

171 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:26:49am

re: #170 Gus

Some really weird people on the internet. Who knew?

//

Ok, everyone on LGF gtfo the intertoobz.
;)

172 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:27:31am

re: #168 Gus

Jones got the exact amount of respect he deserves: None.

173 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:28:17am

re: #170 Gus

re: #171 Varek Raith

You are not taking my internet away from me. It is a civil right.

174 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:28:28am

re: #171 Varek Raith

Ok, everyone on LGF gtfo the intertoobz.
;)

USENET! Nooooooo!

175 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:29:44am

BBL

176 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:32:29am

re: #167 Feline Fearless Leader

If you really wanted to drop scoring in basketball you could do two things:
1. Allow all defenses including zones
2. Go back to the high-school and rule book definitions of traveling, double-dribble, and carry - and enforce it that way. None of this 3-steps in order to make a jam crap.

Yeah, the three steps rule pisses me off. There’s no such thing as a pivot foot anymore.

The real major difference between the sports beyond the surface played on is that one has a dedicated goal tender.

With a stick!

177 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:32:56am


Blah, blah, blah, blah.

178 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:33:56am

re: #177 Gus

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Speak for yourself Noam.

179 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:36:19am

re: #174 Gus

USENET! Nooooooo!

They should call internet Le Douchenet.

It empowers douches to be douchey.

180 jfrentzen  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:37:09am

Interesting how LGF readers and Charles Johnson have been so fooled, attacking the messengers (such as the Post and the Guardian) and choosing to nitpick small details and small errors in reporting (on top secret information, no less) rather than taking in the big picture. I can’t figure out where the one-sided view is coming from? Most of the LGF loyalists seem to despise conservatives. Maybe that’s where it’s coming from? Is Big Brother really our friend, Charles?
blogs.computerworld.com

181 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:37:51am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Speak for yourself Noam.

I think he’s speaking about wingnuts and the Tea Party, maybe not your typical LGF Honco.

I can agree with that.

182 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:38:05am

re: #177 Gus

The United States is a very insular society. People don’t know much about the outside world, nor do they care much about it.

How is this not true? Many Republicans like Sarah Palin because she didn’t have a passport. We tend to reject anything that is foreign. I usually don’t agree with Chomsky, but I think in this case he is close to the truth. Unless we invade a foreign country, must Americans couldn’t find it on a map.

183 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:38:38am

re: #179 BigPapa

They should call internet Le Douchenet.

It empowers douches to be douchey.

When I was growing up, people thought I was okay and my douchiness was hidden. But after discovering the internet, I’ve become a total douche for all the world to see. Thanks, internet!

184 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:38:52am

re: #180 jfrentzen

Word salad. What is the “big picture,” pray tell?

185 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:39:33am

re: #180 jfrentzen

We despise idiots and ideologues. You’re at least one of them.

When confronted with objectivity the ideologue projects.

186 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:39:57am

re: #181 BigPapa

I think he’s speaking about wingnuts and the Tea Party, maybe not your typical LGF Honco.

I can agree with that.

I dunno. That’s part of the reason I don’t like twitter though. Context, context. In that case, I’d be inclined to agree too.

187 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:41:37am

re: #182 Iwouldprefernotto

How is this not true. Many Republicans like Sarah Palin because she didn’t have a passport. We tend to reject anything that is foreign. I usually don’t agree with Chomsky, but I think in this case he is close to the truth. Unless we invade a foreign country, must Americans couldn’t find it on a map.

Most nations are insular or have their insular elements. People in Europe live right next to other nation states so its impossible not to notice “other countries.” We’re in between Canada and Mexico. What about Russia? What about China? Is China not an insular country? What about Japan? No, instead it’s always OOGA BOOGA AMERICA!

188 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:41:59am

re: #182 Iwouldprefernotto

How is this not true. Many Republicans like Sarah Palin because she didn’t have a passport. We tend to reject anything that is foreign. I usually don’t agree with Chomsky, but I think in this case he is close to the truth. Unless we invade a foreign country, must Americans couldn’t find it on a map.

Come to think of it, Gingrich did try to score points by attacking Romney for being able to speak French. I do agree that there are definitely elements of American society that fit what Chomsky is talking about here but it seems like he’s speaking about American society as a whole and I don’t think that’s fair or accurate.

189 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:42:38am

re: #180 jfrentzen

“LGF loyalists?” Hmmm.

190 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:44:04am

re: #189 Gus

“LGF loyalists?” Hmmm.

WHY DIDN’T HE JUST SAY HONCO? MAKES ME WONDER HM…

191 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:45:28am

re: #177 Gus

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Mr. Chomsky is perhaps over-generalizing, but he’s correct in that there is a not-unsubstantial segment of the American population to which his assertion applies; indeed, it wouldn’t be entirely unfair to suggest that this segment of society positively revels in their ignorance.

They don’t have passports; they would never dream of traveling outside the United States; they do not speak, or even possess a passive knowledge of, a second language; they fear and despise all things they perceive of as ‘un-American’.

In that sense, Mr. Chomsky is not incorrect - a bit too broad in his characterization, to be sure, but not entirely wrong, either.

192 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:46:16am

I’m going to pimp the page I just posted. It’s about the enormity of the truly bad charities out there. Over a BILLION Dollars was collected by the 50 worst charities in the past decade to line the pockets of the unscrupulous.

littlegreenfootballs.com

TL;DR? If you are going to be charitable, do it in person. Give your time. If you really want to give money, be very careful.

193 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:46:57am

re: #187 Gus

Most nations are insular or have their insular elements. People in Europe live right next to other nation states so its impossible not to notice “other countries.” We’re in between Canada and Mexico. What about Russia? What about China? Is China not an insular country? What about Japan? No, instead it’s always OOGA BOOGA AMERICA!

I’m willing to bet that Americans know less about other countries than they know about us. It even gets to the point where we couldn’t call them “french ” fries. Please. There are plenty of things to dislike about the French, but they did help us out 200 years ago, but hating them makes no sense.

I think the US is a great place, but I just as strongly believe that we can learn from other cultures. This might also be a good idea is we want to trade our products and services.

194 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:50:17am

re: #182 Iwouldprefernotto

How is this not true. Many Republicans like Sarah Palin because she didn’t have a passport. We tend to reject anything that is foreign. I usually don’t agree with Chomsky, but I think in this case he is close to the truth. Unless we invade a foreign country, must Americans couldn’t find it on a map.

Here’s Benghazi…right where I would expect it to be…Cuba.

Image: BenghaziCuba.jpg?1368460011

195 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:51:20am

re: #194 darthstar

Here’s Benghazi…right where I would expect it to be…Cuba.

Image: BenghaziCuba.jpg?1368460011

Didn’t they show a poll with a large chunk of those upset about Benghazi not even so much as being able to locate where it is? Kind of seems to me as proof that Benghazi is only seen as a means of going after Obama’s admin.

196 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:54:37am

re: #193 Iwouldprefernotto

I’m willing to bet that Americans know less about other countries than they know about us. It even gets to the point where we couldn’t call them “french ” fries. Please. There are plenty of things to dislike about the French, but they did help us out 200 years ago, but hating them makes no sense.

I think the US is a great place, but I just as strongly believe that we can learn from other cultures. This might also be a good idea is we want to trade our products and services.

I don’t know. Let me go read my naturalization papers.

197 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:54:47am

re: #167 Feline Fearless Leader

If you really wanted to drop scoring in basketball you could do two things:
1. Allow all defenses including zones
2. Go back to the high-school and rule book definitions of traveling, double-dribble, and carry - and enforce it that way. None of this 3-steps in order to make a jam crap.

The real major difference between the sports beyond the surface played on is that one has a dedicated goal tender.

Some fair points there.. But these are pro’s we talk of..Not high school kids or rules..These are men and the very best in the world..They play with men’s rules.
Now..For quite a few years now the Pro’s can play a legal zone defense..You see it sometimes..Young folks use a zone and it is great when you are playing tree toppers. It prevents the advantage under the basket.
So these guys are pros. The big men can kill you at 18-20 ft. When Durent at 6’10” Shoots lights out from downtown.. You as a couch are screaming at your big guy to get his fatass out there and guard him.. Big guards like Kobe force your wing guys to get up on him..And a pick and roll will kill a defense. ( see: Stocken and Malone )
So really you need to guard your man and collapse when you can to a zone like defense..And the complexity of rotations are really simple.. When a man commits to guard the guy with the ball.. He leaves a space on the floor..You rotate a man to cover his area but that leaves a man open..
That man being covered is the weakside rotation responsibility. Idealy it is under the basket but just as well be a wide open man in the corner.. Now you understand how a weakside can be under a basket which is, by defination a strong side..It’s the freaking basket.
That’s why zones are limited in the pro’s.

199 Lidane  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:56:52am

re: #177 Gus

He does have a point, though. Americans really DO isolate themselves from the rest of the world, and don’t try to understand it. Part of that is the absolute shit excuse for a media that we have, which pretty much ignores the rest of the world, but another part of it is cultural.

I’m not a Chomsky fan, but I get where he’s coming from with that.

200 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 8:58:14am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Didn’t they show a poll with a large chunk of those upset about Benghazi not even so much as being able to locate where it is? Kind of seems to me as proof that Benghazi is only seen as a means of going after Obama’s admin.

THat’s where that image is from. Some ungodly number of Republicans thought it was in Cuba.

201 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:02:54am

re: #197 HoosierHoops

Shoot lights out from downtown, pick and roll, weak side rotation. Whatever happened to dribble, pass, and shoot?

202 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:05:28am

Glenn Greenwald II: the search for more Derp.

href=”huffingtonpost.com>’You Should’ Expect More Revelations From Me

203 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:13:14am
204 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:17:50am

re: #201 darthstar

Shoot lights out from downtown, pick and roll, weak side rotation. Whatever happened to dribble, pass, and shoot?

The way of the dinosaur..
These are the very best men and women athletes in the world..
This is a sport where you can have a 6’8 Magic or King James playing point guard. A Shaq that can destroy anyone in the paint..Fast guards that can run your ass out of the gym. Wingmen that can drive or kill you from 18 feet.
Big boy sport.. No dribble and shoot..
BTW.. Obama plays wingman in Basketball.. It’s his favorite position to play.
Gives him a chance to drive or shoot from outside which he enjoys. He used to make his high school coach mad when he would shoot too much from the outside. But he said that Obama always had plenty of confidence doing anything on the court.

205 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:27:32am

Argle bargle.

206 jaunte  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:27:39am

Mr. Big Picture went away without explaining it all.

207 bratwurst  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:29:11am

re: #202 Iwouldprefernotto

Glenn Greenwald II: the search for more Derp.

‘You Should’ Expect More Revelations From Me

A man genuinely concerned about this issue and wanting to right these wrongs would release everything he had as soon as he had it.

A man who is trying to become famous and eclipse the tag of being a mere “blogger” does things the way Glenn is doing them.

208 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:29:53am

re: #204 HoosierHoops

I realize you’re a big time basketball fan (your handle kind of gives that away). And I used to feel the same way when I’d watch Dr. J drive the lane and lay the ball right up against the rim of the basket like a soap bubble. Beautiful stuff. And when the dunk became cool, watching Darrel Dawkins smash backboards was thrilling. But eventually, it got old for me. Now I can really enjoy a college game - the fact that 98.8% of the people on the court will never be seen again in that sport means that they’re going to play with everything they’ve got while they can. The pros are just the lucky ones who get to get paid for doing it for another 8-12 years.

209 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:30:55am

re: #206 jaunte

Mr. Big Picture went away without explaining it all.

I am an LGF loyalist! Who knew. Loyalist, colonialist, patriarchal, hegemony loving neo-con that hates conservatives! //

210 Varek Raith  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:34:57am

re: #209 Gus

I am an LGF loyalist! Who knew. Loyalist, colonialist, patriarchal, hegemony loving neo-con that hates conservatives! //

Bacon.

211 jaunte  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:36:05am

re: #209 Gus

Why U No Care About Big Brother?

212 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:44:06am

re: #211 jaunte

Why U No Care About Big Brother?

I voted for DeGette. I voted for Mark Udall. Both of which I’m quite certain would love to repeal the Patriot Act. I don’t always agree with DeGette. But it’s either her or some local Tea Nut. I voted. Which is more than I can say for Greenwald who lives in Rio and his fan boys who are too hip too vote for anyone “because they’re all the same.”

213 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:52:41am

Maureen Dowd rightfully getting her ass mocked on twitter

214 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:53:49am

DeGette voted yes for the PA extension. In any case, this was her Republican opponent. Some nutburger. 3rd down was some libertarian. Quack.

215 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:55:41am

Seems as though all three of her opponents were white dudes with a libertarian streak.

216 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:56:59am

Oh. Here was her Green Party opponent, Gary Swing…

…I support a real criminal investigation into the US government’s role in 9/11 and prosecution of the people responsible for it. 9/11 was a false flag operation orchestrated by traitors at the highest levels of the US government, in order to create a false pretext for wars of aggression, seizure of dwindling oil supplies, and destruction of our civil liberties….

217 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 9:57:27am

Cavuto freaks out…

thinkprogress.org

218 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:00:14am
219 BigPapa  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:02:00am

1. Call President ‘Barry’
2. Page hits
3. Profit!

220 blueraven  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:03:59am

Furious backpedaling going on here

So first they were US Intel officials threatening leaker and reporter, then maybe not government officials at all, then, whoever they were… maybe they were just joking around.

221 Gus  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:05:17am

re: #220 blueraven

Furious backpedaling going on here

So first they were US Intel officials threatening leaker and reporter, then maybe not government officials at all, then, whoever they were… maybe they were just joking around.

I spotted derp the second I read his first Tweet.

222 A Mom Anon  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:05:55am

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

He’s a libertarian Dark, he’s not a moonbat really. Maybe on a couple of issues, but he’s not a liberal or a progressive by any stretch. He gained popularity in liberal circles because he was against the PATRIOT Act. That’s about the time I started reading him. But then he lost his damned mind and as we see now, he’s only got worse over time.

223 blueraven  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:06:53am

re: #221 Gus

I spotted derp the second I read his first Tweet.

Yeah, me too. Such breathless accusations with no context, ID or anything. Firestorm.

224 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:09:03am

re: #220 blueraven

Furious backpedaling going on here

So first they were US Intel officials threatening leaker and reporter, then maybe not government officials at all, then, whoever they were… maybe they were just joking around.

I saw a link to that tweet and read through about 40 tweets and responses before deciding the guy is an idiot. Best part is when someone links Glenn Greenwald and he posts back, “I DIDN’T WRITE THIS” I felt that deserved a response.

225 jaunte  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:10:29am

re: #224 darthstar

“Learn how Twitter works”

Caution, grownups at work.

226 darthstar  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:15:09am

re: #225 jaunte

“Learn how Twitter works”

Caution, grownups at work.

Speaking of which, I didn’t realize retweeters were picked up in replies. I looped you in my reply to April. I actually filtered her out because she dominates my feed, and just check her tweets now when I feel like it or she gets retweeted to me. Still see a few from her every day, but not the 54-part series on breasts or dudes with beards.

227 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:22:42am

re: #204 HoosierHoops

The way of the dinosaur..
These are the very best men and women athletes in the world..
This is a sport where you can have a 6’8 Magic or King James playing point guard. A Shaq that can destroy anyone in the paint..Fast guards that can run your ass out of the gym. Wingmen that can drive or kill you from 18 feet.
Big boy sport.. No dribble and shoot..
BTW.. Obama plays wingman in Basketball.. It’s his favorite position to play.
Gives him a chance to drive or shoot from outside which he enjoys. He used to make his high school coach mad when he would shoot too much from the outside. But he said that Obama always had plenty of confidence doing anything on the court.

Might also be the faster pro shot clock, but parsing through games on TV (which is often Knicks or 76ers) and I see a lot of non-movement. Including sequences that are nothing but run down, pull-up, hoist bad 3-pt attempt that clangs off rim; other team gets rebound and does same. Saw a play-off game last year (1st round) that was that sequence back and forth for five straight times. Shot clock never got under 15, there were at most one pass made before the shot was made, and frankly it was boring. And also stuff that would have gotten me thrown off a court playing pick-up ball.

The talent level may preclude some of the defense and such, but as a whole I would much rather watch the college game than the pro one.

228 Joanne  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 10:56:54am

re: #177 Gus

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Seriously? Something like 70% of Americans have never left their own state, and double digits haven’t left their home county.

If people had more understanding of other cultures we’d have less FREEDOM FRIES!!!11! and concepts that we’re the only country on earth with smart, valuable people. We wouldn’t fear European Socialism (at least we could honestly discuss France’s healthcare system or Germany’s social safety net.)

I can understand not liking someone, but dismissing what he says here doesn’t serve us in any way.

229 Joanne  Sun, Jun 9, 2013 11:02:44am

re: #207 bratwurst

A man genuinely concerned about this issue and wanting to right these wrongs would release everything he had as soon as he had it.

A man who is trying to become famous and eclipse the tag of being a mere “blogger” does things the way Glenn is doing them.

Bingo!

Did I really read above that Greenwald is an ExPat??


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