NYT Editorial Says Snowden Shouldn’t Get Asylum in Russia, Glenn Greenwald Freaks Right Out

“Putin is a repressive and arrogant leader who treats his people with contempt”
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As you can see above, Glenn Greenwald has been repetitively freaking out about this New York Times editorial all day, as if he were expecting something very different: What’s the Point of a Summit?

Most of the debate about whether Mr. Obama should attend has centered on Mr. Snowden, who fled to Russia after his disclosures. The administration wanted him returned to the United States to face charges of leaking national security secrets.

Russia’s decision was provocative. Asylum is for people who are afraid to return to their own country because they fear persecution, unlawful imprisonment or even death because of their race, their ethnicity, their religion, their membership in particular social or political groups, or their political beliefs.

Mr. Snowden undoubtedly fears returning home because he would be arrested and prosecuted. But those fears do not qualify him for asylum. And does he really feel safer in a country where Mr. Putin, an increasingly authoritarian leader, has jailed and persecuted his critics?

The bigger problem is that the partnership that Mr. Obama sought to build with Russia is seriously broken. Ever since Mr. Putin reclaimed the presidency in 2012, he has been profoundly at odds with the administration over the Syrian civil war, missile defense issues and further reductions in nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, Mr. Putin is a repressive and arrogant leader who treats his people with contempt, as the recent crackdown on gays and lesbians demonstrates.

Greenwald is extremely quick to nitpick when someone criticizes him; he insists on being quoted verbatim, so he can waffle, and pretend to avoid responsibility, and change meanings after the fact.

But here he is, ranting over and over that the New York Times is “demanding the extradition” of Edward Snowden, when that’s simply not what the editorial says. At all. The strongest statement the NYT’s editors make is that Snowden’s fears of prosecution “do not qualify him for asylum.”

There are no demands for extradition in this piece.

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105 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:05:37pm

Honestly I’m tired of this narcissistic ass and his puppet.

2 Internet Tough Guy  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:10:42pm

Putin’s check must of cleared.

3 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:10:43pm

I wonder what GG will do when the whole Snowden thing inevitably becomes stale and shuffles off into a corner.

My guess is that Dancing With The Stars may be in his future. Look what it did for Nancy Grace!

4 BongCrodny  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:11:13pm
A pathetic editorial - like the Obama war on whistleblowers - which they’ve condemned - doesn’t exist.

This kinda looks like English, but it doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense.

5 elizajane  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:13:20pm

The very definition of a hissy-fit. Glenn, you beclown yourself.

6 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:13:49pm

This foiled Al Qaeda terror plot seems to have been a wake-up call for some people. “Oh, you mean THAT’S why the NSA is doing it?”

7 b.d.  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:14:33pm

How can one person stay so angry all the time?

8 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:15:29pm

re: #4 BongCrodny

This kinda looks like English, but it doesn’t seem to make a whole lot of sense.

It’s Englishish. Don’t pick nits with a Master Journalist like the GG.

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:16:57pm

Greenwald is extremely quick to nitpick when someone criticizes him and insist on being quoted verbatim, so he can waffle and pretend to avoid responsibility.

But here he is, saying the New York Times is “demanding the extradition” of Edward Snowden, when that’s simply not what the editorial says. At all.

10 Gus  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:19:18pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Greenwald is extremely quick to nitpick when someone criticizes him and insist on being quoted verbatim, so he can waffle and pretend to avoid responsibility.

But here he is, saying the New York Times is “demanding the extradition” of Edward Snowden, when that’s simply not what the editorial says. At all.

Exactly. It’s vague:

Mr. Snowden undoubtedly fears returning home because he would be arrested and prosecuted. But those fears do not qualify him for asylum. And does he really feel safer in a country where Mr. Putin, an increasingly authoritarian leader, has jailed and persecuted his critics?

11 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:19:35pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

This foiled Al Qaeda terror plot seems to have been a wake-up call for some people. “Oh, you mean THAT’S why the NSA is doing it?”

I think the government’s strategy of keeping all these foiled attacks on the down-low so as to prevent widespread fear and panic may have come around to bite them on this one. No good deed goes unpunished, and all that jazz.

12 b.d.  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:21:06pm

The guy has been screaming all day at a throwaway newspaper editorial.

I can’t believe that he could get closer to just totally losing it than he has been.

13 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:22:11pm

re: #10 Gus

Exactly. It’s vague:

The strongest statement in the editorial is that Snowden isn’t “qualified” for asylum. There’s no “demand” here.

14 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:22:51pm

I still think many Americans- left, right, libertarian, etc don’t understand why national security apparatuses exist. They think- who is the government to suspect me, I’m an American! And fair enough, I understand that frustration but to act like the government shouldn’t focus on American citizens or residents as possible potential terrorists is silly. Timothy McVeigh wasn’t some foreigner. He was American born and raised. A decorated military man. Do I want the officials to follow the law, of course I do but unlike GG and Snowden, I am not going to get all puffy about law that has been followed and then chummy up to some real authoritarians like Putin just because they serve my purpose. If Snowden actually was sincere about his beliefs in civil liberties and privacy, he wouldn’t have taken asylum in Russia. He’s an opportunist.

15 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:22:51pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Greenwald is extremely quick to nitpick when someone criticizes him and insist on being quoted verbatim, so he can waffle and pretend to avoid responsibility.

But here he is, saying the New York Times is “demanding the extradition” of Edward Snowden, when that’s simply not what the editorial says. At all.

Odd isn’t it? All opinion, regardless of relevance, must be passed through the discerning self-promotion of the GG.

Actually, from now on, I am referring to the little spirochete as The GG from now on. Everyone should! It’ll drive him bonkers.

16 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:26:05pm

re: #15 austin_blue

Odd isn’t it? All opinion, regardless of relevance, must be passed through the discerning self-promotion of the GG.

Actually, from now on, I am referring to the little spirochete as The GG from now on. Everyone should! It’ll drive him bonkers.

The GG, is that like The Ohio State University?

*ducks*

17 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:26:51pm

re: #16 thedopefishlives

The GG, is that like The Ohio State University?

*ducks*

ha, boom goes the dynamite.

18 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:29:11pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

ha, boom goes the dynamite.

Every region has that one state that they pick on more than the others. In the Northeast, it’s New Jersey. In the upper Midwest, it’s Wisconsin. In the lower Midwest, it’s Ohio.

19 b.d.  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:30:35pm

Jake Freaking Tapper has 60,000 more Twitter followers than Glenn Greenwald?

Wow, how embarrassing.

20 piratedan  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:30:58pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

well dammit man! There’s a book deal on the table! This could set him up for life! Just one small step away from a dormant volcano island lair and a really big comfy chair with minions and everything! Minions I tell you! Not just these sock puppets he creates, full fledged minions, on a payroll, none of them working more than 30 hours a week to avoid those nasty health care plan requirements, but still! Yet here you are, with the unmitigated gall, to call this empire of DERP that he’s created into question! Dammit man, we’re busy making shit outta shinola and selling it, nay moving it by the truckload and YOU WILL NOT BRING THIS CIRCUS DOWN! Not with your puny pimple of a website, I say… good day sir! Good Day, INdeed! (obligatory harumph here)

21 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:32:08pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

Every region has that one state that they pick on more than the others. In the Northeast, it’s New Jersey. In the upper Midwest, it’s Wisconsin. In the lower Midwest, it’s Ohio.

Yes we have West Virginia down here.

22 Stanley Sea  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:33:14pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

Every region has that one state that they pick on more than the others. In the Northeast, it’s New Jersey. In the upper Midwest, it’s Wisconsin. In the lower Midwest, it’s Ohio.

We here in So Cal have Arizona.

23 piratedan  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:33:47pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

We here in So Cal have Arizona.

and in Arizona, we have Southern Cal……

24 A Mom Anon  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:34:54pm

re: #23 piratedan

In the Southeast, we have, um, well, the Southeast….

25 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:34:54pm

re: #22 Stanley Sea

We here in So Cal have Arizona.

Sticks head up in Alabama. Looks around. Naaahh.

26 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:35:37pm

And I totally didn’t mean to derail the topic from The GG, but then again, that drives him more crazy than anything. He can’t stand not to be the center of attention.

27 austin_blue  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:35:54pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

Every region has that one state that they pick on more than the others. In the Northeast, it’s New Jersey. In the upper Midwest, it’s Wisconsin. In the lower Midwest, it’s Ohio.

In Texas, of course, it’s everything that isn’t Texas. Duh.

28 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:36:30pm

A joke I heard was that to an Englishman, every American is a Yankee. To a southern, a Yankee is anyone from north of the Mason-Dixon line. To someone from north of the mason-dixon line, it’s someone from New England. To the New Englander, it’s anyone from Maine I think. And to the person in Maine, a Yankee is someone in some small rural town.

29 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:38:45pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

Every region has that one state that they pick on more than the others. In the Northeast, it’s New Jersey. In the upper Midwest, it’s Wisconsin. In the lower Midwest, it’s Ohio.

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Yes we have West Virginia down here.

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Sticks head up in Alabama. Looks around. Naaahh.

We have Detroit but hey, it’s not Toledo!

30 BongCrodny  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:41:33pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

A joke I heard was that to an Englishman, every American is a Yankee. To a southern, a Yankee is anyone from north of the Mason-Dixon line. To someone from north of the mason-dixon line, it’s someone from New England. To the New Englander, it’s anyone from Maine I think. And to the person in Maine, a Yankee is someone in some small rural town.

As a born-and-bred Mainer, I can tell you without a shred of doubt that a Yankee is someone you despise with every fiber of your being.

Yeah, I’m looking at you, A-Roid.

31 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:41:37pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

And in true New England fashion the answer to that is “Ah Yep.” //

32 Gus  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:42:13pm
33 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:42:25pm

re: #30 BongCrodny

As a born-and-bred Mainer, I can tell you without a shred of doubt that a Yankee is someone you despise with every fiber of your being.

Yeah, I’m looking at you, A-Roid.

He took a nick to the arm from White Sox starter Chris Sale last night and the crowd cheered. I laughed.

34 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:43:27pm

re: #30 BongCrodny

As a born-and-bred Mainer, I can tell you without a shred of doubt that a Yankee is someone you despise with every fiber of your being.

Yeah, I’m looking at you, A-Roid.

Hey as an Orioles fan, I hate him and anyone wearing pinstripes too. Well everyone except Rivera. He’s hard to hate even if he’s the best closer ever.

35 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:43:30pm

Wow, what an asshole.

36 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:44:27pm

How dare the NYT take the air out of Greenwald’s puffery? How dare they!?

Better yet, how dare the NYT question Greenwald’s logic, reasoning, and patriotism of Snowden?

Yet, even Greenwald goofed when he likened Snowden to a bunch of criminals that the US has refused extradition for.


Let’s just ignore that the countries seeking those extraditions are notable for: 1) incomplete, error-filled extradition applications; 2) records of torture and the individuals involved would likely not receive due process under the law; and 3) Greenwald has no problem drawing the comparison.

It indicates that Greenwald knows that Snowden committed crimes but ignores any of the reasons to deny extradition.

37 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:44:32pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Wow, what an asshole.

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Someone remember that tweet next time Erick tries to act like Mr. Concerned Christian. What a childish douche this tool is.

38 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:44:53pm

re: #32 Gus

A case of pot and kettle?

39 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:45:19pm
40 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:45:23pm

re: #38 PhillyPretzel

A case of pot and kettle?

My guess is an emoprog.

41 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:45:36pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Wow, what an asshole.

Erick, son of Erick… You are a vile, pathetic douchecanoe. Eat a bag of dicks. Sincerely, everyone.

42 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:47:02pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Please excuse me for asking,” What is an emoprog?”

43 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:47:58pm

re: #42 PhillyPretzel

Please excuse me for asking,” What is an emoprog?”

Sure, emo-progressive. One of those lefty types that thinks that they’re better than us mere mortals because they have “principles” and we don’t because they’re purer than thou.

44 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:49:10pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

Thanks.

45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:49:33pm

re: #44 PhillyPretzel

Thanks.

No prob.

46 elizajane  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:53:49pm

re: #32 Gus

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This is what I love about LGF: it’s like the last refuge of the fed-up center. The place where we can roll our eyes at crazies on both ends of the political spectrum. There are just not that many websites left where you can disparage and argue against the hucksters, narcissists, and loonies on both extremes without being mauled.

(Of course, rarely does one person gather in both sides so succinctly as this chick.)

47 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:58:28pm

re: #46 elizajane

This is what I love about LGF: it’s like the last refuge of the fed-up center. The place where we can roll our eyes at crazies on both ends of the political spectrum. There are just not that many websites left where you can disparage and argue against the hucksters, narcissists, and loonies on both extremes without being mauled.

(Of course, rarely does one person gather in both sides so succinctly as this chick.)

Piss up a rope.

48 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 5:59:24pm

Fixed the problem where you didn’t really get 32,768 characters for your comment. Now you can exploit every last letter to the hilt.

49 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:00:18pm
50 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:00:22pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Yay. Thanks Charles

51 BongCrodny  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:00:35pm

re: #46 elizajane

This is what I love about LGF: it’s like the last refuge of the fed-up center. The place where we can roll our eyes at crazies on both ends of the political spectrum. There are just not that many websites left where you can disparage and argue against the hucksters, narcissists, and loonies on both extremes without being mauled.

I’m actually pretty far to the left myself — I practically lean that way when I walk — but I have to shake my head at the Israel haters or the folks who think that the U.S. is the worst of the worst.

Then I read the latest drivel by Fischer, Coulter, Erickson, GOHMERT and the rest of the nutburger patrol, and I feel a little better.

52 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:00:54pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

Fixed the problem where you didn’t really get 32,768 characters for your comment. Now you can exploit every last letter to the hilt.

Why do you hate conciseness?

53 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:01:13pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Piss up a rope.

Mandy? Is that you?

54 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:01:17pm

re: #36 lawhawk

How dare the NYT take the air out of Greenwald’s puffery? How dare they!?

Better yet, how dare the NYT question Greenwald’s logic, reasoning, and patriotism of Snowden?

Yet, even Greenwald goofed when he likened Snowden to a bunch of criminals that the US has refused extradition for.

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Let’s just ignore that the countries seeking those extraditions are notable for: 1) incomplete, error-filled extradition applications; 2) records of torture and the individuals involved would likely not receive due process under the law; and 3) Greenwald has no problem drawing the comparison.

It indicates that Greenwald knows that Snowden committed crimes but ignores any of the reasons to deny extradition.

Like I said this morning, all three examples Glenn gives are men who, if they were “whistleblowers” on the US gov’t, he’d be fighting vehemently to avoid seeing them extradited. The first was tried and sentenced in absentia and so fled to the US to avoid the consequences of a trial where he never got to present a defense, the second is being accused of crimes against humanity for actions the new president was responsible for, and the third could only be deported to countries where he stands a very serious risk of being tortured.

55 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:02:49pm

re: #53 Bubblehead II

Mandy? Is that you?

Always wanted to say that. And Mandy was “one that got away”.

56 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:03:50pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Wow, what an asshole.

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Rectal openings have a valuable purpose, and object to being compared to Erick Erickson.

57 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:09:23pm

re: #32 Gus

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Who is she? Are we supposed to care that she despises us?

58 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:10:41pm

re: #57 Patricia Kayden

Who is she? Are we supposed to care that she despises us?

Can you say that in a Peter Lorre voice?

59 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:13:13pm

re: #55 Decatur Deb

Always wanted to say that. And Mandy was “one that got away”.

Don’t think she “got away”. More liked banned for Her rabid Islamophobia.

60 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:14:20pm

re: #57 Patricia Kayden

Who is she? Are we supposed to care that she despises us?

I think she is supposed to be a shining example of an emoprog.

Gus?

61 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:16:30pm

re: #59 Bubblehead II

Don’t think she “got away”. More liked banned for Her rabid Islamophobia.

Still something to be saved there. I miss the opportunity to turn a lot of the damned.

62 Gus  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:17:29pm

re: #60 Bubblehead II

I think she is supposed to be a shining example of an emoprog.

Gus?

The current state of freak out over on Twitter. At least the ones that are trolling the people I follow. I don’t follow far-leftists.

63 Gus  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:20:12pm

OMG CANADIAN ASTRONAUT CHRIS HADFIELD IS TEH SOCIALIST #TCOT #TGDN #LNDHTIEEIO #WAR

64 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:21:37pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Still something to be saved there. I miss the opportunity to turn a lot of the damned.

I think at the end, she went total Geller, Charles gave her more than enough chances to redeem herlself and she refused to take the opportunity. Sad. But then hate does weird things to people.

65 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:21:48pm

re: #63 Gus

OMG CANADIAN ASTRONAUT CHRIS HADFIELD IS TEH SOCIALIST #TCOT #TGDN #LNDHTIEEIO #WAR

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Tikkun Olam for WASPs.

66 darthstar  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:22:29pm

Does it make me a bad person that I find some pleasure in Greenwald freaking the fuck out?

67 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:23:46pm

re: #66 darthstar

Does it make me a bad person that I find some pleasure in Greenwald freaking the fuck out?

Absolutely not. This is what separates the Lizards from the commonfolk. As long as we are discerning in our schadenfreude.

68 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:25:45pm

re: #51 BongCrodny

I’m actually pretty far to the left myself — I practically lean that way when I walk — but I have to shake my head at the Israel haters or the folks who think that the U.S. is the worst of the worst.

Then I read the latest drivel by Fischer, Coulter, Erickson, GOHMERT and the rest of the nutburger patrol, and I feel a little better.

QFT

69 efuseakay  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:26:40pm

Can’t wait for Snowden/Greenwald to turn on Putin when Snowden steps out of line while being a prisoner in Russiastan.

70 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:26:55pm

re: #62 Gus

The current state of freak out over on Twitter. At least the ones that are trolling the people I follow. I don’t follow far-leftists.

O.K. Glad I don’t follow twitter. Have enough problems keeping up with what is happening here on LGF. And that may become even harder as the Mrs. is starting to complain that, (more or less) in her words ” I am a LGF widow”.

71 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:28:50pm

re: #70 Bubblehead II

O.K. Glad I don’t follow twitter. Have enough problems keeping up with what is happening here on LGF. And that may become even harder as the Mrs. is starting to complain that, (more or less) in her words ” I am a LGF widow”.

Convince her that you’d be riding a Harley or skydiving if it weren’t for time on LGF.

72 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:30:45pm

re: #69 efuseakay

Can’t wait for Snowden/Greenwald to turn on Putin when Snowden steps out of line while being a prisoner in Russiastan.

I’m waiting for when Wikileaks inevitably tosses his ass over the gunwale. Does he really believe that Assange is going to keep funding him long after he’s slipped into anonymity in some backwoods corner of Siberia?

73 b.d.  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:32:34pm

Hmmmmmmm

Latvia to extradite computer hacker suspect to U.S.

Link

74 Carlos Danger  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:32:47pm

Even Florida cancelled this

Down Syndrome vs Cerebral Palsy MMA fight booked for Aug. 3 in Florida

75 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:34:19pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Convince her that you’d be riding a Harley or skydiving if it weren’t for time on LGF.

Hell, I am having a hard enough time time trying to convince her to do this with me. If I ever do, I will post the video on YouTube.

ZIP THE SNAKE

76 darthstar  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:34:56pm

The asylum decision gives Russia cover to depict itself as a defender of human rights, pointing a finger to deflect criticism of its own poor record on rights including free speech. But the secrecy that surrounded Snowden’s time at the Moscow airport and his unwillingness so far to talk to the press indicates he is being controlled by Russian intelligence, Andrei Soldatov, a Russian journalist who co-authored a book on the Russian intelligence services said.

“Does he have independent sources of information and communication? My impression is that he has none, which means he’s not his own master,” Soldatov said.

He said Kucherena’s statements about concerns for Snowden’s safety do not hold water.

“We are all perfectly aware that Snowden, who has just received asylum, does not face any danger in Russia,” Soldatov said. “American intelligence does not kidnap or assassinate people in Russia, that’s a fact. This is a just a pretext.”

Read more here: adn.com

77 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:36:21pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Standard disclaimer for retweeting Erick Erickson: “Wow. What an asshole.

“Please Proceed” Also works. The more he talks the less likely people will vote for conservatives.

78 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:38:07pm

re: #75 Bubblehead II

Hell, I am having a hard enough time time trying to convince her to do this with me. If I ever do, I will post the video on YouTube.

ZIP THE SNAKE

Good start.
Next step: Tandem jumping.

Youtube Video

79 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:39:46pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Piss up a rope.

Image: ohyou.jpg

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80 darthstar  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:40:40pm
81 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:41:53pm

re: #76 darthstar

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Kept in virtual isolation, with no access to the outside world beyond who his handlers allow him to contact, all of his possessions in the hands of his new “friends,” and the understanding that the only way he’s leaving if he refuses to cooperate is on the first plane to D.C.

Who didn’t see that coming?

82 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:43:16pm

Sometimes the right spelling is not really the “right” spelling.
Assylum.

83 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:43:27pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Good start.
Next step: Tandem jumping.

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Riiiiggghhhhttt. Next thing you know, they will be serving snow cones in Hell.

84 darthstar  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:43:40pm

re: #81 Targetpractice

Kept in virtual isolation, with no access to the outside world beyond who his handlers allow him to contact, all of his possessions in the hands of his new “friends,” and the understanding that the only way he’s leaving if he refuses to cooperate is on the first plane to D.C.

Who didn’t see that coming?

I can think of two people. One is in Rio. The other is in an undisclosed location in Russia.

85 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:45:04pm

re: #63 Gus

#LNDHTIEEIO

LMFAO…

86 darthstar  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:47:22pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Good start.
Next step: Tandem jumping.

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I hope she got a free second jump. Kudos to the tandem guide for keeping them both alive.

87 darthstar  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:54:00pm
88 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:54:27pm

This is your song Erick
Youtube Video

89 ObserverArt  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:54:45pm

re: #51 BongCrodny

I’m actually pretty far to the left myself — I practically lean that way when I walk — but I have to shake my head at the Israel haters or the folks who think that the U.S. is the worst of the worst.

Then I read the latest drivel by Fischer, Coulter, Erickson, GOHMERT and the rest of the nutburger patrol, and I feel a little better.

Well, take and draw a line. Put left on the left, center in the middle and right on the right. Now extended the line the same length as you started with out to both the left and the right. Those now represent the wingnuts to the far right and the moonbats to the far left. Notice how those that are traditional left and right are now in the center.

The further out the left and right travel in craziness, the distance between classic democrat and classic republican will be small.

I think we are getting there. Next round of elections should tell. That is if the middle isn’t so disheartened by the crazy.

And regarding Glenn Greenwald. When has he ever needed facts to get his point across? It’s all been hints of how bad it all coulda would it should it be.

I’ll say it again. He is not a journalist any longer if he ever was. He is at best an op-ed commentator that writes his own script.

90 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:55:47pm

And then there’s the timing of events from the moment he entered Russia. Yeah, I know I’m sounding a bit CT about this, but consider that Snowden turned down Putin’s public offer of asylum for silence and his chosen mouthpiece said that he hadn’t applied for asylum in Russia. Days go by and the majority of the nations he could make a commercial non-stop flight to either refuse his applications or say he can only apply if on their soil, while the two that say yes (Bolivia and Venezuela) require connecting flights and pass close to US airspace. Putin makes another offer, this time without the whole “keep quiet” proviso and Snowden submits an application that’s quickly accepted and he’s ushered out of the terminal without press present to a refugee center 17 hours away, all while his Russian lawyer tells folks he’s perfectly fine and happy.

Again, I know it sounds crazy, but sometimes in the spy game crazy works.

91 darthstar  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:55:55pm
92 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 6:59:10pm

Hey Snowden.. I dare you..No, I double dare you to express your freedom of speech now pal. Call somebody..Go on TV..ACT Like an American for 15 seconds..You will see the results and the cost of betrayal in a New York second.
And Glen.. Haven’t seen you booking a trip to Moscow to back your brother yet..What’s the matter? You’re boyfriend doesn’t want to go? Maybe a bit awkward?
Still awaiting the Internet Interview by the global media Ed..Just speak your mind.

93 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:02:46pm

re: #92 A Man for all Seasons

Hey Snowden.. I dare you..No, I double dare you to express your freedom of speech now pal. Call somebody..Go on TV..ACT Like an American for 15 seconds..You will see the results and the cost of betrayal in a New York second.
And Glen.. Haven’t seen you booking a trip to Moscow to back your brother yet..What’s the matter? You’re boyfriend doesn’t want to go? Maybe a bit awkward?
Still awaiting the Internet Interview by the global media Ed..Just speak your mind.

Indeed, when was the last time that Eddie got in front of the cameras, any camera, since he disappeared into that terminal? Everything since has been either through Wikileaks or through his Russian lawyer, both of whom have every reason to keep his mouth shut about his treatment in Russia.

95 darthstar  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:07:59pm

Lawrence ripping into a Snowden defender right now.

96 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:14:14pm

re: #32 Gus

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she sounds nice…

97 Gus  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:14:47pm
98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:15:25pm

cuteness break

there be Vikings here…

99 ObserverArt  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:15:42pm

re: #95 darthstar

Lawrence ripping into a Snowden defender right now.

Chris Hayes?

/

100 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:16:04pm

Snowden either hasn’t realized or has resigned himself to the realization that he’s already effectively a prisoner. The Russians aren’t going to let him go seek asylum elsewhere and any attempt to rock the boat may tempt them to just go ahead and fork him over to us. And no telling whether or not Wikileaks is a willing participant in his incarceration, though considering they’re not making any noise over his treatment so far, my guess is they are.

101 darthstar  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:16:07pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

cuteness break

there be Vikings here…

And a poetic viking at that!

102 darthstar  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:17:55pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Snowden either hasn’t realized or has resigned himself to the realization that he’s already effectively a prisoner. The Russians aren’t going to let him go seek asylum elsewhere and any attempt to rock the boat may tempt them to just go ahead and fork him over to us. And no telling whether or not Wikileaks is a willing participant in his incarceration, though considering they’re not making any noise over his treatment so far, my guess is they are.

Personally, I’m okay with the possibility of Snowden spending the next twenty or thirty years stuck in Russia with limited means and zero ability to travel.

103 Bear  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:19:40pm

re: #101 darthstar

Got two of them in the house. Though no helmets for them.

104 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:19:54pm

re: #102 darthstar

Personally, I’m okay with the possibility of Snowden spending the next twenty or thirty years stuck in Russia with limited means and zero ability to travel.

As am I, but I’m engaging in a bit of schadenfreude here. He walked right into the lion’s cage, wrapped in meat, but absolutely convinced that there would be somebody there to pull him out if he were in danger.

105 BongCrodny  Wed, Aug 7, 2013 7:22:57pm

re: #102 darthstar

Personally, I’m okay with the possibility of Snowden spending the next twenty or thirty years stuck in Russia with limited means and zero ability to travel.

Food at Club Fed is probably better than that awesome Russian cuisine we hear so much about.


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