NSA Cryptography Analyst: We, Too, Are Americans

A from-the-trenches view of the agency’s surveillance activities
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NSA mathematician (they do code-breaking, remember?) Roger Barkan has a very interesting piece at ZDNet on his experience of what it’s really like to work for the NSA, a counter-weight to the cartoonish paranoia of the Greensnow Axis.

As someone deep in the trenches of NSA, where I work on a daily basis with data acquired from these programs, I, too, feel compelled to raise my voice. Do I, as an American, have any concerns about whether the NSA is illegally or surreptitiously targeting or tracking the communications of other Americans?

The answer is emphatically, “No.”

NSA produces foreign intelligence for the benefit and defense of our nation. Analysts are not free to wander through all of NSA’s collected data willy-nilly, snooping into any communication they please. Rather, analysts’ activity is carefully monitored, recorded, and reviewed to ensure that every use of data serves a legitimate foreign intelligence purpose.

We’re not watching you. We’re the ones being watched.

Further, NSA’s systems are built with several layers of checks and redundancy to ensure that data are not accessed by analysts outside of approved and monitored channels. When even the tiniest analyst error is detected, it is immediately and forthrightly addressed and reported internally and then to NSA’s external overseers. Given the mountains of paperwork that the incident reporting process entails, you can be assured that those of us who design and operate these systems are extremely motivated to make sure that mistakes happen as rarely as possible!

A myth that truly bewilders me is the notion that the NSA could or would spend time looking into the communications of ordinary Americans. Even if such looking were not illegal or very dangerous to execute within our systems, given the monitoring of our activities, it would not in any way advance our mission. We have more than enough to keep track of — people who are actively planning to do harm to American citizens and interests — than to even consider spending time reading recipes that your mother emails you.

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1 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 5:56:40pm

Thank you. This doesn’t get mentioned enough.

PS: I think the “read this” and next few lines are from a commercial, not the article being quoted.

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 5:58:45pm

re: #1 Kragar

Thank you. This doesn’t get mentioned enough.

PS: I think the “read this” and next few lines are from a commercial, not the article being quoted.

I know - I was actually testing the new feature that lets you edit your Pages after they’re promoted. Left that in so I could delete it… er, I mean, so that Stinky could delete it.

3 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:00:16pm

Pfft, everyone knows that the NSA only hires communists. From Russia.

//

4 erik_t  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:00:41pm

To believe in super-duper overarching NSA spying on all Americans everywhere is to believe in intense and outrageous government waste.

Another point of moon-nut convergence.

5 jaunte  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:00:58pm
Even if such looking were not illegal or very dangerous to execute within our systems, given the monitoring of our activities, it would not in any way advance our mission. We have more than enough to keep track of — people who are actively planning to do harm to American citizens and interests — than to even consider spending time reading recipes that your mother emails you.

This will be strongly disputed by the massively self-important.

6 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:01:12pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I know - I was actually testing the new feature that lets you edit your Pages after they’re promoted. Left that in so I could delete it… er, I mean, so that Stinky could delete it.

Well, ok then.

7 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:02:37pm
8 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:02:54pm

re: #5 jaunte

This will be strongly disputed by the massively self-important.

The Greenwaldians will have this guy pegged as a member of Clapper’s inner circle by lunchtime tomorrow.

9 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:06:59pm

Bill Nye is ripping up the dance floor.

10 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:08:02pm

re: #9 Amory Blaine

Bill Nye is ripping up the dance floor.

+1 for Bill Nye. Fuck yeah science.

11 EPR-radar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:08:40pm

One thing that is getting very clear is that Snowden/Greenwald are telling the story only from the view point of how they could/would abuse the technical surveillance capabilities that are available.

How these capabilities are actually used by people who are trying to get work done is irrelevant to the Snowden/GG narrative, and is completely ignored.

It’s like an arsonist telling stories about how everyone in the Fire Department is secretly a fire bug that like to watch things burn.

12 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:10:16pm

This is a great article. Greenwald has succeeded to some extent in dehumanizing the NSA, and this lets you see that the people he’s talking about are actually conscientious human beings trying to do an important job, under intense scrutiny.

I don’t know if this is part of an NSA charm offensive, but if it isn’t it should be.

13 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:11:47pm

Real Americans don’t spend their lives working tirelessly and anonymously to protect their fellow citizens.

Real Americans sabotage government operations, flee to foreign countries, and then negotiate book deals so they can cash in off their stories.
///

14 Belafon  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:12:40pm

If you take the NSA budget and divide by the number of people (numbers I got off the org chart from the previous thread), it works out to ~333K per person. Considering how much an employee costs beyond the salary, even at government rates, that doesn’t leave a lot of money for the hardware, meaning that they are pretty cost constrained on how much they can do.

15 b.d.  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:12:54pm

[dudebro]Of course he is going to say that, I’m going to trust the guy living with Russian intelligence agents instead[/dudebro]

16 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:14:09pm

re: #14 Belafon

If you take the NSA budget and divide by the number of people (numbers I got off the org chart from the previous thread), it works out to ~333K per person. Considering how much an employee costs beyond the salary, even at government rates, that doesn’t leave a lot of money for the hardware, meaning that they are pretty cost constrained on how much they can do.

DUDE, HOW IS ANYONE AT THE GOVERNMENT MAKING $333K???? TOTALLY OVERPAID, GOVERNMENT WASTE!!1!

I wonder how the numbers work out for Congress.

17 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:16:08pm

Conservatives who demand we spend trillions to defend the nation will scream about security analysts getting paid a decent wage for doing their jobs

19 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:17:36pm

re: #17 Kragar

Conservatives who demand we spend trillions to defend the nation will scream about security analysts getting paid a decent wage for doing their jobs

These are the same people who simultaneous espouse belief in the free market, that those working for the government are evil, and that there is no higher cause than defending the nation.

Which is why we have contractors, come to think of it.

20 b.d.  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:17:38pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

This is a great article. Greenwald has succeeded to some extent in dehumanizing the NSA, and this lets you see that the people he’s talking about are actually conscientious human beings trying to do an important job, under intense scrutiny.

I don’t know if this is part of an NSA charm offensive, but if it isn’t it should be.

Glenn Greenwald is good at dehumanizing people, he learned how to while running that old gay porn site of his.

21 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:18:11pm

re: #17 Kragar

Conservatives who demand we spend trillions to defend the nation will scream about security analysts getting paid a decent wage for doing their jobs

They scream about the cost, yet never stop to think that guys like Snowden might be tempted by the promise of massive paydays in exchange for stealing a bunch of data and whisking it off to faraway lands.

22 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:19:38pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Greenwald has succeeded to some extent in dehumanizing the NSA, and this lets you see that the people he’s talking about are actually conscientious human beings trying to do an important job, under intense scrutiny.

This is pretty much the case with any story about a faceless bureaucracy, though, isn’t it? It’s easy to say IRS this, or Post Office that, but ignore the reality of human beings on the ground.

My question is: How much more drip, drip, drip are we going to get from Greenwald et. al.?

23 Belafon  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:22:24pm

re: #16 klys

Luckily, I can post my comment here and at worst expect someone to joke about what the 333K means. I can think of plenty of places where someone would have made your comment and meant it seriously. It probably would have been the most sane thing said on those sites.

24 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:25:18pm

re: #23 Belafon

Luckily, I can post my comment here and at worst expect someone to joke about what the 333K means. I can think of plenty of places where someone would have made your comment and meant it seriously. It probably would have been the most sane thing said on those sites.

Which is why I make the comments here and try not to despair about the state of American …everything reflected by the fact that someone makes those comments seriously.

25 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:26:06pm

Pls rtwt

27 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:30:40pm

re: #26 Pavlovian Hive Mind

The Wonders of Ork Technology

28 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:32:03pm
29 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:32:26pm

re: #27 Kragar

The Wonders of Ork Technology

Not enough dakka.

30 jaunte  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:33:17pm

re: #26 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Image: ufo-us-air-force-aircraft-identification-chart1.jpg

There is a lot of weather to keep track of.

31 missliberties  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:38:20pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Not unlike the IRS. It’s super easy to demonize the tax man, and taxes generally as theft. The big bad government is reaching into your computer data, and your back pocket to steal your hard earned personal stuff.

BTW, have you seen this? bobcesca.thedailybanter.com

“Again, if you’re alarmed about what NSA is up to, you should be a hundred times more alarmed by what corporations know about you, mainly because, unlike NSA, there’s no oversight, no accountability and no limitations. -Bob”

Now that’s an eye opening bit of revelation. It was published, March, this year. Where was the gnashing of teeth and the rending of garments corporate data mining firms that have no obligation to be held accountable?

32 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:41:09pm

re: #28 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Image: Ork_Tech.jpg

33 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:43:37pm

Seems that, with there being nothing to really gain track on the initial background released on today’s shooter, the wingnuts are falling back on the default “They’re coming for our guns!!!”

34 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:45:56pm


because fuck you, you bloated sack of shit.

35 PT Barnum  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:46:19pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

Seems that, with there being nothing to really gain track on the initial background released on today’s shooter, the wingnuts are falling back on the default “They’re coming for our guns!!!”

Different tragedy, same derp.

36 PT Barnum  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:47:18pm

re: #34 Kragar

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because fuck you, you bloated sack of shit.

Alex Jones, the pimple on the boil on the puss filled abcess of american discourse.

37 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:48:51pm

Guns on a military base?
Unpossible!

38 PT Barnum  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:48:56pm

re: #31 missliberties

Not unlike the IRS. It’s super easy to demonize the tax man, and taxes generally as theft. The big bad government is reaching into your computer data, and your back pocket to steal your hard earned personal stuff.

BTW, have you seen this? bobcesca.thedailybanter.com

“Again, if you’re alarmed about what NSA is up to, you should be a hundred times more alarmed by what corporations know about you, mainly because, unlike NSA, there’s no oversight, no accountability and no limitations. -Bob”

Now that’s an eye opening bit of revelation. It was published, March, this year. Where was the gnashing of teeth and the rending of garments corporate data mining firms that have no obligation to be held accountable?

It’s the free market at work we don’t mind losing our freedoms to the free market!

39 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:49:39pm


Yeah, quit handing it out to corporations.

Oh wait, that would be attacking the “free market”.

40 PT Barnum  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:50:29pm

re: #39 Kragar

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Yeah, quit handing it out to corporations.

Oh wait, that would be attacking the “free market”.

If you can’t make any kind of rational sense when you open your mouth, shut your farking piehole.

41 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:50:45pm

re: #39 Kragar

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Yeah, quit handing it out to corporations.

Oh wait, that would be attacking the “free market”.

Like he knows jack shit about running a country.

42 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:50:50pm

re: #39 Kragar

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Yeah, quit handing it out to corporations.

Oh wait, that would be attacking the “free market”.

Bryan, I know this will come as a shock to one as…”seasoned” as yourself, but things cost more today than they did when you were a young lad.

43 EPR-radar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:50:54pm

OT, a moment of honesty (presumably unintentional) from warmonger David Ignatius.washingtonpost.com

You can think this new American caution is potentially dangerous (as I do), but there’s no arguing that it’s deeply felt and (given the immense cost and almost nonexistent benefits of war in Iraq and Afghanistan) understandable. The question is what a president should do about it.

44 PT Barnum  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:51:52pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

Brian, I know this will come as a shock to one as…”seasoned” as yourself, but things cost more today than they did when you were a young lad.

Yeah, an around the world and a reach around just aren’t as cheap as they used to be….Brian would know.

45 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:52:18pm

re: #41 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Like he knows jack shit about running a country.

He thinks the Bible is the instruction manual for everything.

46 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:54:13pm
47 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:55:16pm


Yeah, if Obama would just stop obstructing the GOP, then everything would be fine!
/

48 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:55:39pm

Lisa Phillips RETWEATS TEH MOAST MINDBLOWING DERP

49 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:55:48pm
50 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:57:29pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

Lisa Phillips RETWEATS TEH MOAST MINDBLOWING DERP

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Is it any coincidence that racecar spelled backwards is racecar?
I think not.

51 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:57:31pm

re: #47 Kragar

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Yeah, if Obama would just stop obstructing the GOP, then everything would be fine!
/

GOP declares “Give us what we want or we shoot the hostage!”
Obama replies “I won’t negotiate for the hostage’s life!”
GOP’s supporters crow “Obama won’t save hostage!”

52 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 6:58:27pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

Lisa Phillips RETWEATS TEH MOAST MINDBLOWING DERP

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Obviously the date was chosen to protest Owain Glyndŵr being named Prince of Wales on Sept 16, 1400.

Coincidence? I think not.

53 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:00:58pm

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

Lisa Phillips RETWEATS TEH MOAST MINDBLOWING DERP

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Because as we all know, there were no mass shootings before the advent of video games and the violent crime rate has skyrocketed ever since that accursed Pong was first released.

54 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:05:45pm
55 AlexRogan  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:05:53pm

re: #45 Kragar

He thinks the Bible is the instruction manual for everything.

When all one sees is crucifixes, you start looking for people to put on them.

56 Political Atheist  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:06:46pm
A myth that truly bewilders me is the notion that the NSA could or would spend time looking into the communications of ordinary Americans. Even if such looking were not illegal or very dangerous to execute within our systems, given the monitoring of our activities, it would not in any way advance our mission. We have more than enough to keep track of — people who are actively planning to do harm to American citizens and interests — than to even consider spending time reading recipes that your mother emails you.

I have so much respect for this guy. But I’m gonna pull 2 topics together. You know how we are shocked and dismayed at gun violence, we get it that far too many guns are on our streets. But a guy like me is okay by way of a law abiding attitude and some diligence with my guns and background? I am not the gun guy you worry about, and that respect is appreciated.

This guy above is not what I worry about when I say I want the Patriot Act to sunset as promised. He is not who I think about when politics might intrude at NSA. It is in fact the potential for things to not go so well as the good responsible person would have it. Our worries, quite rightly are about when things go horribly wrong.

57 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:06:57pm
58 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:08:43pm
59 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:08:49pm

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

So Harold freezes his matzo balls too. //

60 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:10:32pm

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

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Like every other gun free zone, authorized law enforcement and security are allowed to carry fire arms.

Fucking idiots

61 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:11:42pm

re: #56 Political Atheist

I have so much respect for this guy. But I’m gonna pull 2 topics together. You know how we are shocked and dismayed at gun violence, we get it that far too many guns are on our streets. But a guy like me is okay by way of a law abiding attitude and some diligence with my guns and background? I am not the gun guy you worry about, and that respect is appreciated.

This guy above is not what I worry about when I say I want the Patriot Act to sunset as promised. He is not who I think about when politics might intrude at NSA. It is in fact the potential for things to not go so well as the good responsible person would have it. Our worries, quite rightly are about when things go horribly wrong.

I appreciate what you are saying - but what this gentleman is also saying in the article is that there are a large number of safeguards in place to prevent abuse of the system by those who might seek to abuse it. One could also read that they have little impact on the work done by those who are law-abiding.

Contrast this with the current NRA position on gun control.

62 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:12:36pm

re: #59 PhillyPretzel

So Harold freezes his matzo balls too. //

Lisa Phillips: THEY HAVE MATZO BALLS!!!111 RUN FOR YOU LIVES!!!1111!!1!!!!

My mother said that in her family, they used to call matzo balls “bullets”. COINCIDENCE?

63 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:12:48pm

Today’s Wise Words

from this Atlantic Article, also Paged, repost from downstairs.

64 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:15:51pm

Military bases all have thousands of people going thru their gates everyday.
So is the GOP going to approve the appropriations to make sure bases can conduct 100% security checks of all personnel and vehicles coming on base to make sure they obey base regs?

65 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:16:37pm

OT - The Costa Concordia is upright.

66 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:17:50pm
67 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:22:17pm

lolwut

68 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:22:42pm
69 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:22:47pm

Lisa leaves Prudence in the dust. IN THE FUCKING DUST!

70 jaunte  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:23:17pm
71 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:26:31pm

I can’t imagine how hard it must suck to be Lisa or Prudence.

72 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:29:37pm
73 Political Atheist  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:31:21pm

re: #61 klys

I appreciate what you are saying - but what this gentleman is also saying in the article is that there are a large number of safeguards in place to prevent abuse of the system by those who might seek to abuse it. One could also read that they have little impact on the work done by those who are law-abiding.

Contrast this with the current NRA position on gun control.

Where I live we have gun violence. We have had mass shootings and gang shootings are commonplace.

Where I live we lead the nation in gun control laws. The NRA has little pull here. Many safeguards are in place.

74 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:32:26pm

So, how is everyone?

75 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:32:33pm

My surprise. Let me show you it.

76 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:32:52pm

re: #72 FemNaziBitch

WOW, Meet Miss Kansas 2013.

I will be more impressed when there is a “plus-size” Miss anything.

77 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:35:39pm
78 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:35:49pm

too funny:
upworthy.com

79 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:36:23pm

re: #76 klys

I will be more impressed when there is a “plus-size” Miss anything.

I agree. I thought tatoos were a disqualification.

80 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:36:59pm

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

My surprise. Let me show you it.

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“Legally purchased” these days is so open to interpretation that it’s sad. He could just as well have bought those guns at a gun show, no questions asked, for cash in hand.

82 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:38:10pm
83 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:39:42pm

re: #82 Kragar

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Dana, how many of those killed today were done in by hands, fists, or feet?

84 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:40:09pm

re: #73 Political Atheist

Where I live we have gun violence. We have had mass shootings and gang shootings are commonplace.

Where I live we lead the nation in gun control laws. The NRA has little pull here. Many safeguards are in place.

Ok, I’ll bite, even if I shouldn’t.

What safeguards exist? How does the government prevent guns from being transited from elsewhere? How many mass shootings? What steps are being taken to deal with illegally obtained firearms, which presumably are those related to the gang shootings you mention? (I am making the assumption that some number of guns are obtained illegally, according to the laws which govern who should have access to firearms.)

I very much respect people who have firearms and I don’t believe that no one should have access. I don’t, however, believe that a discussion about gun control means automatically that we’re looking to remove guns from everyone.

You chose to try to draw comparisons between this article and guns. I pointed out that there are a wide range of measures in place to prevent abuse of these tools and they don’t seem to have much impact on the people who are legitimately trying to do their jobs. There may be some inconvenience, but they take that as what’s necessary to protect people’s privacy. I think people’s lives are just as important.

85 abolitionist  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:40:48pm

re: #81 FemNaziBitch

Two problems with link — junk at both ends.

86 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:41:29pm

re: #79 FemNaziBitch

I agree. I thought tatoos were a disqualification.

When it is something other than US Forces or Jesus tattoos, then I’ll believe they’re not anymore.

87 jaunte  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:43:25pm

re: #82 Kragar

No stats on mass footings.

88 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:43:59pm

America; Home of the Mass Shooting.

89 Was Shellie Zimmerman Wearing A Hoodie???  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:44:42pm

Mass shootings, threats of government shut downs, Anger over Miss America not being white. Some people would call this a cross between Mad Max and Birth of a Nation. I simply call it, home.
Mmmmmmmmmm. Warm fuzzy’s. /

It could be worse. But then again, it shouldn’t be.

90 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:48:19pm

re: #85 abolitionist

Two problems with link — junk at both ends.

It’s not really worth it anyway. SSDD with Fischer.

91 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:48:41pm

re: #87 jaunte

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No stats on mass footings.

FBI: Murder Victims, by Weapon, 2007-2011

Total firearms: 10,129 9,528 9,199 8,874 8,583
Hands: 869 875 817 769 728

92 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:49:22pm

re: #86 klys

When it is something other than US Forces or Jesus tattoos, then I’ll believe they’re not anymore.

yeah, I’m not a believer in beauty contests. I understand it was a path to successa wealthy husband in the past, but seem so stupid today.

93 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:50:24pm

re: #84 klys

Comprehensive Education? Competitive Shooting Sports?

Yeah, that will never happen. So we keep on fighting and debating the subject.

94 jaunte  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:53:53pm
95 Political Atheist  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:54:36pm

re: #84 klys

The analogy is this-In both the cases of NSA work and guns we (Californians anyway) have a lot of gun safeguards. You can google how California is out front with NY for gun control. And I stipulate there is a lot of control at NSA thanks to good people and President Obama leading well.

Thing is so far so good and depending on responsible law abiding people works best at a short time scale. Over time things change. Less control or fewer responsible people in there. Politics could intrude at NSA. Texas gun law could become more common.

Depending on responsible people is not good enough. Returning to our traditional controls like sun setting the act is what I’d like to see. And universal registration, B/g’s etc. National.
Anyway not wanting to argue, just illustrate an analogy for thought. BBL

96 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:54:38pm

Oh yeah, my first volume of The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest arrived today.

/can’t keep a fangirl down

97 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:55:14pm

re: #94 jaunte

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Any states of the skin hue of the shooter and the shootee?

98 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:55:34pm

re: #96 klys

Oh yeah, my first volume of The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest arrived today.

/can’t keep a fangirl down

Anybody needs me, I’ll be in the corner, feeling old.

//

99 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:55:53pm

re: #95 Political Atheist

I would comment that a universal policy is part of what is missing from our discussion - and part of what the NRA is working hard to fight against. The NSA has one.

I think that is the primary distinction that I would draw given your comparison, nothing more.

100 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:56:29pm

re: #98 Targetpractice

Anybody needs me, I’ll be in the corner, feeling old.

//

I’d say if it makes you feel better, I watched it when I was in the 11-13 year old range.

But that probably doesn’t help much.

101 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 7:56:39pm

re: #90 FemNaziBitch

It’s not really worth it anyway. SSDD with Fischer.

It’s Fischer pimping a book that’s all the rage with the wingnuts right now, because its a rehash of decade old rumors and BS, only this time the guy writing it claims he’s also got an “anonymous letter” that backs up his story.

102 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:00:41pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

It’s Fischer pimping a book that’s all the rage with the wingnuts right now, because its a rehash of decade old rumors and BS, only this time the guy writing it claims he’s also got an “anonymous letter” that backs up his story.

“ah, the Amazing Anonymous Letter Ploy!”

“Chief, it must be true”

(in Maxwell Smart’s voice)

:0

103 jaunte  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:01:25pm

re: #97 FemNaziBitch

Any states of the skin hue of the shooter and the shootee?

I think this is related…
From the report linked at Mother Jones:

DISPARATE RACIAL IMPACT
A Mayors Against Illegal Guns analysis of demographic data shows that the increase in justifiable homicides has disproportionately affected the African American population.

The number of both black and white justifiable homicide victims has increased in Stand Your Ground states, but the rate of victimization among black Americans was already much higher before enactment of Stand Your Ground laws, the subsequent increase has also been more dramatic.

Controlling for population, the number of homicides of black people that were deemed justifiable in Stand Your Ground states more than doubled between 2005 and 2011 — rising from 0.5 to 1.2 per 100,000 people — while it remained in the rest of the country.

The Urban Institute also examined racial disparities in justified gun homicide rulings that involve a single shooter and victim who are strangers. The researchers found that when white shooters kill black victims, 34% of the resulting homicides are deemed justifiable, while only 3.3% of deaths are ruled justifiable when the shooter is black and the victim is white.

This discrepancy does not appear to be affected by the relative ages of or relationship between the shooters and victims. When an older white man shoots a younger black man with whom he had no prior relationship, the shooting is deter mined justifiable 49% of the time. Yet when the situation is reversed, and an older black man shoots a younger white man with whom he had no previous relationship, the homicide is only judged justifiable 8% of the time.

104 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:02:08pm

re: #103 jaunte

I think this is related…
From the report linked at Mother Jones:

Yeah, I thought so.

105 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:03:00pm

Oh man, potatoes with herbs in the oven, to go with the meatloaf for dinner tonight.

/hungry

106 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:03:13pm

re: #100 klys

I’d say if it makes you feel better, I watched it when I was in the 11-13 year old range.

But that probably doesn’t help much.

I was around that age range at the time too. Even remember the Made for TV movies that came out before the series aired.

107 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:04:23pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

I was around that age range at the time too. Even remember the Made for TV movies that came out before the series aired.

I should add that I watched it on Cartoon Network as part of their Toonami run.

But hey. I still adore it!

108 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:06:22pm

I think Johnny Quest was on the UHF channel when I was little. It must have been on intermittantly or before I got home from school because I don’t remember watching many episodes.

Not like Gilligan’s Island. I think I’ve seen every one—6 times.

109 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:07:28pm

re: #108 FemNaziBitch

I think Johnny Quest was on the UHF channel when I was little. It must have been on intermittantly or before I got home from school because I don’t remember watching many episodes.

Not like Gilligan’s Island. I think I’ve seen every one—6 times.

Haha. That’s available for free streaming with Amazon Prime!

There’s two Jonny Quest series: the original and The Real Adventures Of and I am very much a fan of the second. They added a kickass female character.

110 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:10:17pm

re: #107 klys

I should add that I watched it on Cartoon Network as part of their Toonami run.

But hey. I still adore it!

Hell, I remember when Toonami first started.

Now you damn kids get off my lawn!!///

111 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:11:26pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Hell, I remember when Toonami first started.

Now you damn kids get off my lawn!!///

Pfft, whatever, McGrumpyPants.

Careful or you’ll end up sounding like McCain.

//

112 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:11:36pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Hell, I remember when Toonami first started.

Now you damn kids get off my lawn!!///

I remember Adult Swim when it was just pretty much Cowboy Bebop and Space Ghost CtC.

113 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:11:57pm

re: #112 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I remember Adult Swim when it was just pretty much Cowboy Bebop and Space Ghost CtC.

I pretend it didn’t exist after that.

114 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:12:31pm

re: #112 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I remember Adult Swim when it was just pretty much Cowboy Bebop and Space Ghost CtC.

God, Space Ghost CtC. That takes me back.

115 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:12:46pm

DBZ FTW!

116 Lancelot Link  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:12:47pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Wait - there’s a whole network of nothing but cartoons?
Kids these days!

117 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:14:12pm

re: #115 Pavlovian Hive Mind

DBZ FTW!

Fond memories of high school include sitting in a friend’s basement, watching episodes of Sailor Moon taped off of Cartoon Network.

Yeah, I was a geek then too.

118 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:14:35pm

re: #116 Lancelot Link

Wait - there’s a whole network of nothing but cartoons?
Kids these days!

Yeah, and MTV doesn’t play music videos anymore.

119 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:14:58pm

re: #117 klys

re: #118 Targetpractice

We must be near the same age.
29 here.

120 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:15:47pm

re: #119 Pavlovian Hive Mind

We must be near the same age.
29 here.

28. As of last month.

121 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:15:56pm

Well, I just scared the living crap out of my kids.

Mission accomplished.

122 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:16:36pm

re: #119 Pavlovian Hive Mind

We must be near the same age.
29 here.

Same here. Way too damn young to be telling kids “When I was your age,” but I’ve caught myself saying it. Telling them about what life was like in the days of dial-up modems, 16-bit color monitors, and Wolfenstein 3D.

123 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:18:06pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

My 45-year-old bones are having a serious attack of get-off-my-lawn-osis.

124 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:18:59pm
125 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:19:08pm

Still epic. ^

126 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:19:35pm

re: #123 Rev_Arthur_Belling

My 45-year-old bones are having a serious attack of get-off-my-lawn-osis.

Look on the bright side, you have proof the younger generation hasn’t all gone to shit.

Also, you’re the same age as my husband. Imagine how he feels. >.>

127 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:23:49pm

re: #124 Pavlovian Hive Mind

I don’t know, I always preferred:

Youtube Video

128 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:24:54pm

So, along with shoes, I really, really love jewelry. I don’t buy much, but I love to learn and look.

I have to share this. Only because I think it is beautiful. Well designed and executed.

129 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:25:03pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

Same here. Way too damn young to be telling kids “When I was your age,” but I’ve caught myself saying it. Telling them about what life was like in the days of dial-up modems, 16-bit color monitors, and Wolfenstein 3D.

Snicker. Ah, whale song… I showed my 11 year old son a 300 baud acoustic coupled modem the other day. He was able to believe it would work but couldn’t comprehend how slow it would have been :D I do love my 10 megabit DSL ;)

130 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:25:13pm

re: #127 Kragar

FLCL is epic too.

131 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:25:39pm

re: #127 Kragar

I don’t know, I always preferred:

[Embedded content]

FLCL, now there was a whacked out series. And in the grand Gainax tradition, left you wanting more by the end if only to get some damned answers.

132 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:25:58pm

re: #129 William Barnett-Lewis

Snicker. Ah, whale song… I showed my 11 year old son a 300 baud acoustic coupled modem the other day. He was able to believe it would work but couldn’t comprehend how slow it would have been :D I do love my 10 megabit DSL ;)

My parents neglected to mention that the cable modem didn’t require a password and was always on for 6 months.

133 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:26:17pm

The Pillows are awesome.

134 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:26:30pm

re: #130 Pavlovian Hive Mind

FLCL is epic too.

and then we have this:

Youtube Video

135 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:26:55pm

re: #132 klys

My parents neglected to mention that the cable modem didn’t require a password and was always on for 6 months.

I actually kept using AOL for the first few months we got cable. *shudders*

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:28:28pm

Heh. I could continue with the grumpy old fart memories of futures past, but I think I’m better served by putting my pillow to work.

Good night, all.

137 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:34:38pm

Geology Humor for Klys…

138 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:34:42pm
140 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:37:26pm

I still marvel at how much of these commercials have come true in the last 20 years:

Youtube Video

Some of it’s still either the stuff of idle fantasy or only being tested in a lab, but so much of it is now stuff we take for granted. Well, except for phone booths, which I don’t think anybody in the 90s saw disappearing so quick.

141 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:38:32pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

And yet, Police Boxes are bigger than ever.

142 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:38:52pm

re: #141 ProTARDISLiberal

And yet, Police Boxes are bigger than ever.

But only on the inside.

143 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:39:38pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

Well, if we judge like that, they are just as big now than they were back then.

144 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:45:22pm

re: #139 Kragar

Police: Aaron Alexis was ‘single and sole person’ behind Navy Yard attack

Lord, what the racists are going to do with this one. Most mass shootings are committed by white men, but now that one was committed by a black man the racism is liable to come on quick. Frankly, I think one of the talk show hosts may finally cross the line and openly call President Obama the n-word over this one.

/shakes head sadly and wonders how it all came to this.

145 BongCrodny  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:48:39pm

re: #96 klys

Oh yeah, my first volume of The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest arrived today.

/can’t keep a fangirl down

If you can find them, try the JQ comic book series that Comico published back in the mid-80’s. I’d always read from least interesting to most interesting, and Jonny always seemed to wind up in the “save the best for last” section of that week’s comics.

The artist was Doug Wildey, one of the creators of the original 1964 TV series.

146 Gus  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:56:03pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

I still marvel at how much of these commercials have come true in the last 20 years:

[Embedded content]

Some of it’s still either the stuff of idle fantasy or only being tested in a lab, but so much of it is now stuff we take for granted. Well, except for phone booths, which I don’t think anybody in the 90s saw disappearing so quick.

Everyone has their own phone booth. Well, most iPhone users.

147 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 8:58:40pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

I still marvel at how much of these commercials have come true in the last 20 years:

[Embedded content]

Some of it’s still either the stuff of idle fantasy or only being tested in a lab, but so much of it is now stuff we take for granted. Well, except for phone booths, which I don’t think anybody in the 90s saw disappearing so quick.

Sorcery.

148 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:00:37pm

re: #137 Single-handed sailor

Geology Humor for Klys…

I am sooooo sending that to my brother. Geologist, and his masters is from the University of Alberta (in Edmonton). So anything geology related that also pokes fun at Calgary will amuse him.

149 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:00:50pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

Lord, what the racists are going to do with this one. Most mass shootings are committed by white men, but now that one was committed by a black man the racism is liable to come on quick. Frankly, I think one of the talk show hosts may finally cross the line and openly call President Obama the n-word over this one.

/shakes head sadly and wonders how it all came to this.

Stuff is still trickling out about this guy. Just read a little while ago that he had secret-level clearance and a CAC. He’d been cleared to start working for “The Experts,” a HP subcontractor handling the Navy and Marine intranet.

If anything, this actually makes Snowden’s vetting look competent by comparison. Guy’s had two incidents involving a gun, one where he admited he was acting out of blind rage, and been charged both times even though they didn’t seem to go to trial. His dad’s been on the TV tonight saying that his son had anger issues and apparently the second gun discharge was the final straw with the Navy who bounced his ass out on a less than honorable discharge. But he qualified for secret-level clearance. Now I know that they don’t really start going Rotor-Rooter on your background until top-secret or above, but there should have been enough there to at least question if giving this guy clearance was a good idea.

150 Gus  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:01:11pm

Debauchery.

151 Gus  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:01:30pm

Inflatable canoes.

152 klys  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:01:43pm

re: #137 Single-handed sailor

Geology Humor for Klys…

Hahahahaha.

My parents are both engineers. It did take three shots but my mom finally does have a daughter in Tau Beta Pi so the pressure is off me (thank god).

153 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:05:40pm

How do I know that Apple’s getting ready for a new iOS update? Because every time I turn on my iPod, there’s several apps that need an update.

154 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:20:15pm

re: #149 Targetpractice

Stuff is still trickling out about this guy. Just read a little while ago that he had secret-level clearance and a CAC. He’d been cleared to start working for “The Experts,” a HP subcontractor handling the Navy and Marine intranet.

If anything, this actually makes Snowden’s vetting look competent by comparison. Guy’s had two incidents involving a gun, one where he admited he was acting out of blind rage, and been charged both times even though they didn’t seem to go to trial. His dad’s been on the TV tonight saying that his son had anger issues and apparently the second gun discharge was the final straw with the Navy who bounced his ass out on a less than honorable discharge. But he qualified for secret-level clearance. Now I know that they don’t really start going Rotor-Rooter on your background until top-secret or above, but there should have been enough there to at least question if giving this guy clearance was a good idea.

Concur. Whatever else is true, the vetting system for classified information needs a massive overhaul.

155 simoom  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:31:29pm

I imagine someone already posted this earlier in the day, but it sounds like the UN report pretty much rules out anyone but the Syrian military:

nytimes.com

One annex to the report also identified azimuths, or angular measurements, from where rockets had struck, back to their points of origin. When plotted and marked independently on maps by analysts from Human Rights Watch and by The New York Times, the United Nations data from two widely scattered impact sites pointed directly to a Syrian military complex.

And:

Moreover, those weapons are fired by large, conspicuous launchers. For rebels to have carried out the attack, they would have had to organize an operation with weapons they are not known to have and of considerable scale, sophistication and secrecy — moving the launchers undetected into position in areas under strong government influence or control, keeping them in place unmolested for a sustained attack that would have generated extensive light and noise, and then successfully withdrawing them — all without being detected in any way.

And:

In two chilling pieces of information, the inspectors said that the remnants of a warhead they had found showed its capacity of sarin to be about 56 liters — far higher than initially thought. They also said that falling temperatures at the time of the attack ensured that the poison gas, heavier than air, would hug the ground, penetrating lower levels of buildings “where many people were seeking shelter.”

The investigators were unable to examine all of the munitions used, but they were able to find and measure several rockets or their components. Using standard field techniques for ordnance identification and crater analysis, they established that at least two types of rockets had been used, including an M14 artillery rocket bearing Cyrillic markings and a 330-millimeter rocket of unidentified provenance.

156 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:33:52pm

re: #155 simoom

I imagine someone already posted this earlier in the day, but it sounds like the UN report pretty much rules out anyone but the Syrian military:

nytimes.com

And:

And:

The Cyrillic markings are probably why Russia has been so hot and heavy about getting these weapons in their possession for the purpose of “dismantling.” Wouldn’t be surprised if more than a few of those rockets have a sale date within the last 2 years.

157 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:38:31pm

He he. David Frum is trolling.

158 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:38:49pm

Police: Lone Shooter Had ‘Legitimate Access’ To Navy Yard

The Federal Bureau of Investigation confirmed that Alexis had “legitimate access” to the Navy Yard complex due to his work as a private contractor and possession of a valid pass. No motive as to the shooting has been established yet, authorities say.

159 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:40:40pm

re: #158 Kragar

Police: Lone Shooter Had ‘Legitimate Access’ To Navy Yard

So much for the “stolen ID” business.

160 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:41:34pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

So much for the “stolen ID” business.

Yup.

161 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:45:06pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

I think the big question should be, “Why is Russia selling chemical munitions to Syria in violation of the non-proliferation treaty on chemical weapons.” I hope this gets asked at the UN.

162 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:45:45pm

re: #161 Single-handed sailor

I think the big question should be, “Why is Russia selling chemical munitions to Syria in violation of the non-proliferation treaty on chemical weapons.” I hope this gets asked at the UN.

VETO!

163 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:48:20pm

re: #161 Single-handed sailor

Yes considering the previous position of denial.

164 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 9:59:07pm

re: #162 Kragar

VETO!

Fine, then let Putin veto it. Let Russia stand before the world and shut the investigation down.

165 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:01:02pm

re: #161 Single-handed sailor

I think the big question should be, “Why is Russia selling chemical munitions to Syria in violation of the non-proliferation treaty on chemical weapons.” I hope this gets asked at the UN.

Better question is “How, if the Russian Federation continues to insist that the rebels were responsible for the chemical weapon strikes, did they obtain Russian-made weapons to perform those strikes?” I’m not sure Putin feels so safe in his position now that he’d point the finger at one his own customers and accuse them of being the guilty party.

166 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:08:11pm

a little outpatient surgery music for me, thank you, thank you maestro

debating whether or not to take tomorrow off as well. misfortunately i am in contractor mode these days, so if i don’t work i don’t get paid

167 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:20:08pm

evangelical xianity in a nutshell

“i have no interest in a god who does not smite”

- billy sunday

168 Gus  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:21:19pm

re: #166 dog philosopher

a little outpatient surgery music for me, thank you, thank you maestro

debating whether or not to take tomorrow off as well. misfortunately i am in contractor mode these days, so if i don’t work i don’t get paid

What for? You don’t have to say if you don’t want.

169 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:25:36pm

Hey Gus, is it flooding near you?
Looks really bad in Co.

170 Gus  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:27:13pm

re: #169 Pavlovian Hive Mind

Hey Gus, is it flooding near you?
Looks really bad in Co.

No flooding here. Mostly north. Boulder. Longmont.

171 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:28:05pm

re: #168 Gus

What for? You don’t have to say if you don’t want.

yah, i’d rather not

172 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:28:22pm

Valuable GOP list becomes public document

With just a few clicks, staffers in former school Superintendent Tony Bennett ‘s office made one of the Indiana Republican Party’s most valuable tools a public document — free to anyone.

The master fundraising list is extensive, containing contact information for thousands of Republicans from grassroots supporters and precinct committee leaders to top-dollar lobbyists and donors. Cellphones, personal emails and other valuable notes are included in the spreadsheet, two versions of which were found on Department of Education servers.

The fundraising lists, campaign emails and more than 100 “campaign calls” entries on Bennett’s calendar were obtained by The Associated Press through multiple public records requests last week.

News of the documents led Democrats to call for an investigation. Inspector General David Thomas confirmed he is investigating Bennett, but declined to provide details of the investigation’s focus.

173 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:32:03pm

re: #165 Targetpractice

Better question is “How, if the Russian Federation continues to insist that the rebels were responsible for the chemical weapon strikes, did they obtain Russian-made weapons to perform those strikes?” I’m not sure Putin feels so safe in his position now that he’d point the finger at one his own customers and accuse them of being the guilty party.

Well one thing’s sure, the people who take their cues from Putin can be serious shitheads themselves:

Russia’s parliamentary foreign affairs chief, Alexey Pushkov, left a stinging remark on Twitter after a tragic shooting at the Washington Navy Yard that left several people dead and many others injured on Monday.

“A new shootout at Navy headquarters in Washington - a lone gunman and seven corpses,” Pushkov wrote. “Nobody’s even surprised anymore. A clear confirmation of ‘American exceptionalism.’”

Adding insult to injury, Pushkov followed up with another tweet, writing, “The USA should part with the notion of American exceptionalism. It contradicts the principles of equal rights and smells of political racism.”

Thankfully, the US Embassy’s reply was something other than mealy-mouthed:

But the U.S. Embassy in Russia responded with a tweet of their own, writing, “What’s exceptionalism got to do with it? Why use a tragedy to score political points.”

Mr. Pushkov can go push metal shavings under his fingernails as far as I’m concerned.

174 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:38:13pm

putin

i miss yeltsin. a good man at heart, even if he drank too much

175 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:38:31pm

Dark I’m getting an error at your link.

176 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:43:50pm

Here you go Dark.
evemule.com

177 dog philosopher  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:44:06pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

things are getting to a very nasty stage here, if russian public officials feel they can wield intramural american political rhetoric against us

i never liked the whole “exceptionalism” thing at all, but this pushkov needs to learn to mind his own fucking business

178 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 10:51:53pm

re: #177 dog philosopher

All he needs is to mention Obama and he’ll be qualified for his own right wing radio show. Their rhetoric mirrors this because day after day they claim Obama has destroyed the country. How can a country be exceptional if it’s packed to the rafters with moochers?

179 piratedan  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:02:39pm

re: #107 klys

hard to beat that theme music…..of the original series

180 piratedan  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:04:40pm

re: #113 klys

i dunno, i thought Trigun and sealab2021 and harvey birdman had their momenmts

181 Arrrr, matey!  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:08:26pm

HAHAHA, not to scale.

182 GeneJockey  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:27:30pm

re: #113 klys

I pretend it didn’t exist after that.

Go Team Venture!

183 piratedan  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:30:17pm

re: #182 GeneJockey

Go Team Venture!

about the only thing worth watching that they produce, although I do occasionally turn in for FMA or GITS or Inuyasha when I have a bout of insomnia

184 Kragar  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:47:47pm

re: #182 GeneJockey

Go Team Venture!

I can do a killer impression of Henchman 24

185 freetoken  Mon, Sep 16, 2013 11:50:43pm

re: #179 piratedan

Second version, I believe:

MP3 Audio

186 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:09:06am

The WH firecracker guy apparently was arrested in Milwaukee County about 1 month ago.

mugshots.com

187 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:13:27am

re: #186 Amory Blaine

Here is an article:

Man charged with spray-painting Milwaukee federal courthouse

A Racine man accused of twice spray-painting graffiti on the Federal Courthouse in downtown Milwaukee has been charged.

Alexander Sahagian, 52, has been charged with a felony count of graffiti.

According to the criminal complaint, Sahagian took a white can of spray paint on Aug. 12 and wrote “Innovation to leaven the education of glimmering underdog children is today being grievously curtailed b” on the side of the stone building.

A courthouse security officer observed Sahagian again spraying the same message on the building on Aug. 15.

Courthouse officials estimated the damage to be $2,600 on the first incident, and $600-$1,000 on the second incident.

Sahagian faces up to three years, six months in prison if convicted of the charge.

188 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:13:27am

re: #186 Amory Blaine

The WH firecracker guy apparently was arrested in Milwaukee County about 1 month ago.

mugshots.com

Fucking dumbass.

189 freetoken  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:27:03am
190 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 1:58:00am

Details emerging about WNYD victims

A dozen people died in a shooting rampage Monday at the Washington Navy Yard. It was the deadliest attack at a domestic military installation since November 2009, when an Army psychiatrist killed 13 people and wounded 30 others at Fort Hood, Texas. Early Tuesday, the stories of some of those who died started to surface

191 urbanmeemaw  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:06:08am

re: #11 EPR-radar

When you’re part of the Pouterati you have no concept of real work.

192 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 2:34:36am
194 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:06:29am

re: #187 Amory Blaine

Here is an article:

Man charged with spray-painting Milwaukee federal courthouse

I think he may be of Syrian descent: tributes.com (his mother’s obit)

195 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:26:15am

re: #177 dog philosopher

things are getting to a very nasty stage here, if russian public officials feel they can wield intramural american political rhetoric against us

i never liked the whole “exceptionalism” thing at all, but this pushkov needs to learn to mind his own fucking business

When Pushkovs to Shov, they’re just more RWNJs.

196 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:30:33am

re: #194 Justanotherhuman

I think he may be of Syrian descent: tributes.com (his mother’s obit)

Armenian ethnicity and Christian, per obit. Possibly ‘just passing through’ Damascus. A lot of people passing through in that part of the world.

197 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:32:26am

I woke up this am thinking about the fact that we are well over 300M people in this country now, with, as I mentioned earlier, more guns than people.

If this continues, what is it going to be like when we reach 400M? Half a billion? India already has over 1.2B people and China over 1.3B (est).

In China, in 2011, there were 144 people per sq km of land; India, 411 per sq km; US, 34 per sq km. The highest density of people, though, are on Macao, with 19,510 per sq km and Monaco, with 18,631, Singapore comes in third, with 7,405. data.worldbank.org

How will we be able to “get along” if the US, with one of the lowest population densities in the developed world, can’t do it now? Have we become so comfortable, so bored, so steeped in our relative wealth, our technology, so immersed in the idea of the inviolable sanctity of property that we must continually push the envelope of our own behavior?

198 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:37:58am

re: #197 Justanotherhuman

I woke up this am thinking about the fact that we are well over 300M people in this country now, with, as I mentioned earlier, more guns than people.

If this continues, what is it going to be like when we reach 400M? Half a billion? India already has over 1.2B people and China over 1.3B (est).

In China, in 2011, there were 144 people per sq km of land; India, 411 per sq km; US, 34 per sq km. The highest density of people, though, are on Macao, with 19,510 per sq km and Monaco, with 18,631, Singapore comes in third, with 7,405. data.worldbank.org

How will we be able to “get along” if the US, with one of the lowest population densities in the developed world, can’t do it now? Have we become so comfortable, so bored, so steeped in our relative wealth, our technology, so immersed in the idea of the inviolable sanctity of property that we must continually push the envelope of our own behavior?

An important ‘population bomb’ Sci-Fi novel of the late 1960s drove a lot of undergrad talk on densities. It’s set in a then-distant era—ours.

Stand on Zanzibar

amazon.com

en.wikipedia.org

199 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:38:44am

Looks like today is going to be filled with outrage over President Obama going forward with his address yesterday regarding the budget issues with the Republicans while the Naval Yard shootings were still going on or had just happened.

I agree that he should have postponed. But then, I also have a feel for the building frustration in the man and maybe that frustration led him to say I’m going forward with the damn speech because the continued problems in this country lead to some of these very issues. That would be the frustration of not being able to do anything about gun control just months ago.

It will be seen as crass political point scoring by the press by the Republicans by the haters. While they were being outraged by Obama talking while a tragedy was unfolding, they were probably on the net or on the phone doing a little point scoring themselves.

I think I’ll skip out on all that outrage. Its been heard too much already. I guess I’m frustrated too. As I think we all are. How about parking the outrage and try to do something about just about everything.

200 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 3:40:54am

re: #196 Decatur Deb

Armenian ethnicity and Christian, per obit. Possibly ‘just passing through’ Damascus. A lot of people passing through in that part of the world.

Yes, and could be the root of his discontent: What he wrote on the Federal courthouse in Milwaukee: “Innovation to leaven the education of glimmering underdog children is today being grievously curtailed b”

Read more: wisn.com

Or he could just be nuts.

201 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:00:24am

re: #197 Justanotherhuman

I woke up this am thinking about the fact that we are well over 300M people in this country now, with, as I mentioned earlier, more guns than people.

If this continues, what is it going to be like when we reach 400M? Half a billion? India already has over 1.2B people and China over 1.3B (est).

In China, in 2011, there were 144 people per sq km of land; India, 411 per sq km; US, 34 per sq km. The highest density of people, though, are on Macao, with 19,510 per sq km and Monaco, with 18,631, Singapore comes in third, with 7,405. data.worldbank.org

How will we be able to “get along” if the US, with one of the lowest population densities in the developed world, can’t do it now? Have we become so comfortable, so bored, so steeped in our relative wealth, our technology, so immersed in the idea of the inviolable sanctity of property that we must continually push the envelope of our own behavior?

You could make a case that the effects of our continental history and the filtering action of our isolating oceans made us the petrie dish for all the Western and Eastern oldworld crazy genes. To paraphrase an old mystery novel, “The world is an asylum, and the US is the violent ward”.

202 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:05:11am

Not good enough for the Navy Reserve, but perfectly fine for a civilian contract job w/the military?

Suspected U.S. shooter had ‘secret’ clearance, employer says

reuters.com

Methinks HP has a lot of ‘splaining to do. I rather suspect that Alexis would not have been hired by the civil service.

203 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:08:17am

re: #202 Justanotherhuman

Not good enough for the Navy Reserve, but perfectly fine for a civilian contract job w/the military?

Suspected U.S. shooter had ‘secret’ clearance, employer says

reuters.com

Methinks HP has a lot of ‘splaining to do. I rather suspect that Alexis would not have been hired by the civil service.

One of my co-workers, a GS-14, painted himself blue and staged a naked standoff in his Virginia home. He was later able to return to work.

204 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:21:07am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

I’ll bet he was required to undergo psychiatric therapy? Was it a gun involved standoff? G-14 is pretty high up there, over $100K salary depending on tenure. Had he been there very long? Had he ever exhibited that kind of behavior previously? Had he ever been in trouble w/the law?

The problem with issues of mental health is that many people (esp men) do not seek help with issues they have, including stress-related behavior. And even so, HIIPA rules are a bar to records of those who might have that background, unless there is a police record involved (and involuntary commitment). This is the “big gap” in gun sales, which allows mentally ill people to purchase weapons—how many will check off that they have been treated for it on a gun permit application?

205 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:25:04am

Lisa is on a roll this morning.
Answer: Fools, idiots & clowns own the TV stations.

206 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:28:12am
207 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:30:19am

Lisa is the motherlode of all Teh Crazie on Teh Internets.

208 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:30:43am

re: #204 Justanotherhuman

I’ll bet he was required to undergo psychiatric therapy? Was it a gun involved standoff? G-14 is pretty high up there, over $100K salary depending on tenure. Had he been there very long? Had he ever exhibited that kind of behavior previously? Had he ever been in trouble w/the law?

The problem with issues of mental health is that many people (esp men) do not seek help with issues they have, including stress-related behavior. And even so, HIIPA rules are a bar to records of those who might have that background, unless there is a police record involved (and involuntary commitment). This is the “big gap” in gun sales, which allows mentally ill people to purchase weapons—how many will check off that they have been treated for it on a gun permit application?

No record of violence, good manager/subject matter expert—didn’t have a gun IIRC, but the SWAT team that extracted him didn’t know that. We were surprised that he cracked, very surprised that he came back—the episode did seem beyond the pale. He was gone for some months. His working relationships were ‘strained’ afterwards, and he retired not long after.

209 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:41:09am
210 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:41:18am

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

Lisa is on a roll this morning.
Answer: Fools, idiots & clowns own the TV stations.

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Rich old white men own the stations.

Silly child. Thinking is for adults…

211 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:42:09am

How is “stealing from your employer” equate to “Freedom of Thought”?

212 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:43:16am

re: #209 Vicious Babushka

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Hooray! A Russian agent in the running for a prize named for a Russian dissident. What could be more delightful?

213 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:46:39am

lolwut

214 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:47:52am

Wait, I totally remember that! That was in the season of “24” where they nuked LA!

215 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:49:15am

Meanwhile, your more average wingnuts:

216 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:49:55am

Who has the money?

U.S. holiday sales expected to rise less than last year: ShopperTrak

reuters.com

I have 7 immediate family members. I try to get everyone a little something (nothing over $20), but that’s the extent of it. We only have 2 kids, one 5 and one turning 4 on Dec 7. We never have “big” Xmases, even though I’ll pull out my accumulation of decorations and do up the apt for the holidays. A good Xmas meal, and that’s enough, if everyone can get together and don’t hold any grudges. Families, how do they work? : )

217 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:52:30am

Morning Lizardim from the cool and clear wild north country. Just wanted to hop in to see what’s shaking in the land of the lizardfolk, and possibly pick up what the latest is in the Navy Yard shooting case.

218 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:54:17am

re: #216 Justanotherhuman

Who has the money?

U.S. holiday sales expected to rise less than last year: ShopperTrak

reuters.com

I have 7 immediate family members. I try to get everyone a little something (nothing over $20), but that’s the extent of it. We only have 2 kids, one 5 and one turning 4 on Dec 7. We never have “big” Xmases, even though I’ll pull out my accumulation of decorations and do up the apt for the holidays. A good Xmas meal, and that’s enough, if everyone can get together and don’t hold any grudges. Families, how do they work? : )

Waltons have All Teh Moneys.

Walmart doesn’t understand why sales are down.

Because, dumbasses, you don’t pay your workers enough to afford to buy your cheap slave-labor third world crap!

Crash and burn.

219 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:54:40am

re: #217 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim from the cool and clear wild north country. Just wanted to hop in to see what’s shaking in the land of the lizardfolk, and possibly pick up what the latest is in the Navy Yard shooting case.

Here ya go:

220 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:55:15am

re: #219 Justanotherhuman

Here ya go:

And yet he was running around with a gun, shooting people. There aren’t enough face palms in the world.

221 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 4:57:22am

re: #220 thedopefishlives

And yet he was running around with a gun, shooting people. There aren’t enough face palms in the world.

See my comment above about gun permits. He allegedly had a CC permit from somewhere.

222 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:00:20am
223 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:00:36am

re: #222 Justanotherhuman

Lol wut.

224 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:03:09am

The definition of insanity

225 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:03:59am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

The definition of insanity

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They have no life…teh stupid usually don’t.

226 Jayleia  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:05:20am

re: #223 thedopefishlives

The stories have been going fast and furious…lots of stories contradicting previous stories, about like normal for an event like this.

227 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:06:57am

*FACEPALM*

228 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:08:06am

re: #226 Jayleia

The stories have been going fast and furious…lots of stories contradicting previous stories, about like normal for an event like this.

Well, just the way he said it. Like, “No way he could be mentally ill. Just you wait and see.” But perhaps that’s just the way I read it.

229 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:08:21am

HURR HURR WEAR WUZ TEH GOOD GUYZ WITH TEH GUNZ!!11!! ABOLISH ALL GUN-FREE ZONES!!!1 MAKE EVERY ZONE A SHITLOAD OF GUNZ ZONE!11!!11!!!!!!

230 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:11:28am

Officials: Gunman treated for mental health issues

bigstory.ap.org

“Aaron Alexis, 34, had been treated since August by the Veterans Administration for his mental problems, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the criminal investigation in the case was continuing. The Navy had not declared him mentally unfit, which would have rescinded a security clearance that Alexis had from his earlier time in the Navy Reserves.

“Family members told investigators that Alexis was being treated for his mental issues.”

231 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:26:34am

DERP
If LIBRULS were re-writing TEXAS textbooks, wouldn’t they take out all that Creationism stuff?
CONSERVATIVES WROTE THIS.

232 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:28:48am

Wingnuts love AMERICA!!! and TEH CONSTITION!!111!! so much but they also love PUTIN!!!11111

233 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:30:09am

Jesus Christ the Washington Examiner is a filthy rag.

234 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:34:35am

re: #233 Amory Blaine

Jesus Christ the Washington Examiner is a filthy rag.

Owned by this asshole: Phil Anschutz’s conservative agenda

politico.com

235 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:38:29am

Morning Jerk going off on an isolationist rant about Pres Obama holding his presser yesterday. While he talked a bit about the Navy Yard shootings, he also spoke on Syria, the economy and the “political divide” in Congress.

How dare the President? How dare he mention anything else happening here and in the rest of the world?

The world doesn’t stand still just because the right wing wants it to.

236 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:40:32am

If we want to see a TPGOP takeover of the senate and a revived GOP in 2016, let’s start beating the gun control drums really loudly this time, ‘cause we saw how much that helped in 2010 and this month in Colorado.

Dianne Feinstein: Congress ‘shirking’ duty on guns

politico.com

237 Arrrr, matey!  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:41:16am

They really love shirtless Putin…

238 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:42:37am

re: #237 Pavlovian Hive Mind

They really love shirtless Putin…

Some weird, kinky people are turned on by manboobs.

239 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:47:16am

re: #236 Decatur Deb

I agree with the sentiment that it is a loser for democrats. The right wing should be made to own it though. They want people walking around at farmers markets with AR-15s.

240 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:47:53am

re: #237 Pavlovian Hive Mind

They really love shirtless Putin…

He’s basically the epitome (to them) of a “manly man”: Someone with balls of steel who wrestles bears and flies fighter planes. Oh, and he’s Russian, which automatically means he’s more manly than any of us. It’s like the ultimate man crush.

241 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:50:12am

re: #236 Decatur Deb

If we want to see a TPGOP takeover of the senate and a revived GOP in 2016, let’s start beating the gun control drums really loudly this time, ‘cause we saw how much that helped in 2010 and this month in Colorado.

Dianne Feinstein: Congress ‘shirking’ duty on guns

politico.com

The comments contained a lot of ad hominem attacks against Feinstein. It’s getting scary in this country if those are a sampling of gun nuttery. And an example of why we do need more stringent control of guns.

242 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:55:52am

Crazed devotees everywhere will be camping out days in advance, no doubt.

iPhone 5s & iPhone 5c Arrive on Friday, September 20

apple.com

243 A Mom Anon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:55:57am

re: #239 Amory Blaine

I think if I was an elected Democrat I’d just say something like ” You know, since my esteemed colleagues on the right have appointed themselves the gun and gun violence experts in this nation, I’ll send you to them for solutions on how to stop the killing that don’t involve more guns”. And leave it at that. The GOP and the NRA own this problem, they should have it hung right around their adorable little necks as a sparkly accessory. They’ve polluted the discourse to the point you can’t run on it, so focus on what can get you elected. Hand that issue to them and the real crazy is gonna come out, like arming every teacher, grocery store clerk and bartender, letting guns into every venue, etc, etc. And use that as a chance to introduce some grown up discussion that backs off the crazy a little but don’t run on it. It’s not the time to do it. This country has to calm the fuck down and grow the fuck up first.

244 A Mom Anon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:57:20am

And the dog walk awaits, and chores. BBL.

245 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 5:58:40am

re: #242 Justanotherhuman

Crazed devotees everywhere will be camping out days in advance, no doubt.

iPhone 5s & iPhone 5c Arrive on Friday, September 20

apple.com

OFFS.

I totally hate this ancient marketing gimmick of people camping out for days and standing in lines that are blocks long to generate hysteria over a product launch.

The only thing that would make me buy an Apple product would be if all Windows and Android products suddenly disappeared or stopped functioning overnight. I am sure that Apple execs are working on a plan to make that happen.

246 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:03:27am

Treasury warns Congress not to wait til last minute on debt ceiling

reuters.com

(Reuters) - Treasury Secretary Jack Lew warned Congress on Tuesday that waiting until the last minute to raise the nation’s limit on borrowing could lead to irrevocable damage to the economy.

“We cannot afford for Congress to gamble with the full faith and credit of the United States of America,” Lew told the Economic Club of Washington, a business forum.

“Lew said the Treasury can never be certain how much money will enter and leave public coffers on any given day, and repeated a warning he made last month that the nation would run dangerously low on cash in mid-October.”

No doubt the Rs are just dying to test this, though.

247 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:09:59am
248 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:17:04am

re: #241 Justanotherhuman

The comments contained a lot of ad hominem attacks against Feinstein. It’s getting scary in this country if those are a sampling of gun nuttery. And an example of why we do need more stringent control of guns nuts.

Fixed.

249 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:27:16am

re: #232 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts love AMERICA!!! and TEH CONSTITION!!111!! so much but they also love PUTIN!!!11111

Image: BUDs9LgCcAARBHM.jpg

Just one of the reasons I recently dropped The Columbus Dispatch. One.

250 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:29:24am

re: #235 Justanotherhuman

Morning Jerk going off on an isolationist rant about Pres Obama holding his presser yesterday. While he talked a bit about the Navy Yard shootings, he also spoke on Syria, the economy and the “political divide” in Congress.

How dare the President? How dare he mention anything else happening here and in the rest of the world?

The world doesn’t stand still just because the right wing wants it to.

Yeah, I caught Morning Jokes opening tirade against Obama too. That led me to post #199.

251 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:37:47am

Wreath laying at U.S. Navy Memorial at 10 a.m.

washingtonpost.com

I suppose Hagel will come under fire by the RWNJs now, too. As will the Navy, for only requiring essential personnel to be at work today.

252 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:46:05am

People are pointing out the shooter played “violent” video games. Hey they’re just asking questions!

253 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:46:12am


I’m wondering, though, if that shotgun was one of these, called an AR15 shotgun:

Youtube Video

254 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:47:19am

re: #221 Justanotherhuman

See my comment above about gun permits. He allegedly had a CC permit from somewhere.

Probably issues by the voices in his head.

255 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:47:32am

It didn’t take long for the Foxtards to blame video games:

Fox News’ Hasselbeck: Navy Yard shooting shows need for video game registry, not gun control

256 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:48:42am

re: #253 Justanotherhuman

Doubtful. More likely it was simply sloppy reporting. Some mass shooters use AR class weapons, therefore all mass shooters are presumed to use AR class weapons.

257 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:49:04am

re: #235 Justanotherhuman

Morning Jerk going off on an isolationist rant about Pres Obama holding his presser yesterday. While he talked a bit about the Navy Yard shootings, he also spoke on Syria, the economy and the “political divide” in Congress.

Easy rebuttal:

258 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:49:51am

Killing a Toyota Camry I could understand…

259 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:49:54am

re: #253 Justanotherhuman

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I’m wondering, though, if that shotgun was one of these, called an AR15 shotgun:

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There’s also one based on the AK family. The Sandy Hook shooter had one, left it in his car.

260 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:52:03am

re: #255 Dr. Matt

It didn’t take long for the Foxtards to blame video games:

Fox News’ Hasselbeck: Navy Yard shooting shows need for video game registry, not gun control

I heard someone on MSNBC last night mention to Chris Hayes that he was a fan of violent video games…”almost obsessed” according to his friends. Really? His friends just came running to the media to say he sucked at Donkey Kong?

261 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:53:21am

re: #260 darthstar

More importantly, how many mass shootings occur in Japan where videogame play is even more prevalent?

262 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:54:26am

Dungeons and Dragons!!!!

263 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:55:10am

Reason #341 not to like Chuck Todd

264 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:55:14am

re: #257 Dr. Matt

Exactly. Didn’t want to bring that up, but you could also ask Katrina victims, too.

There has not been one deadly natural disaster for which Pres Obama has not immediately offered Federal help.

Thank goodness he didn’t lolly-gag about like Bush did on Katrina (even having birthday cake w/McCain) that on #CO or #Sandy.

Image: mccaincake.jpg

265 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:55:23am

Someone should tell the fucksticks over there the Beatles are responsible for the Manson murders.

266 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:55:50am

re: #262 Amory Blaine

Dungeons and Dragons!!!!

Heavy Metal music!!!

267 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:58:35am

Chuck Todd grows a goatee because he thinks he’s hiding his multiple chins. Like a friend of mine shaves his head. Like you cant see the 5 O Clock shadow circling his head.

/dudebro thumbs up!!!

268 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:58:54am

re: #255 Dr. Matt

It didn’t take long for the Foxtards to blame video games:

Fox News’ Hasselbeck: Navy Yard shooting shows need for video game registry, not gun control

It’s about the timing. Today’s the day Grand Theft Auto 5 is released. I totally expect a Fox idiot to blame that game even though the perp never would have played this game. These idiots want to blame anything but easy access to guns for tragedies like we saw yesterday. It’s pathetic that they care more about guns than human beings.

269 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:59:24am

re: #265 Amory Blaine

Someone should tell the fucksticks over there the Beatles are responsible for the Manson murders.

Time to start banning your Beatles albums, kids.

270 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 6:59:30am

If you play the Andrew Sisters backwards you can hear a recipe for real good devils food cake!!

271 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:00:02am

The funny thing here is that the wingnut link goes to “the Barracuda Brigade” - a Sarah Palin fan site. It has as its splash, a picture of Sarah’s face in the northern lights 1.bp.blogspot.com

It also has links to join the EDL - yes, that racist hate group!

272 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:01:15am

re: #266 Dr. Matt

Heavy Metal music!!!

Bill Haley and the Comets. (‘Jungle music”, in the more polite parts of my parents’ generation.)

273 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:01:45am

re: #265 Amory Blaine

Someone should tell the fucksticks over there the Beatles are responsible for the Manson murders.

Wagner caused the Holocaust!

274 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:02:00am

Refresh to see original. And wtf? Didn’t see Kincannon’s tweet as he blocked me months ago. I guess he’s defending drug cartels?

275 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:03:01am

re: #273 Vicious Babushka

Wagner caused the Holocaust!

He did provide the soundtrack.

276 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:03:36am

re: #271 darthstar

The funny thing here is that the wingnut link goes to “the Barracuda Brigade” - a Sarah Palin fan site. It has as its splash, a picture of Sarah’s face in the northern lights 1.bp.blogspot.com

It also has links to join the EDL - yes, that racist hate group!

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Oh, christ yes, the goddess in the sky. The idol worship over there is particularly delusional.

277 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:05:04am

She’s the messiah!!! It has been foretold in the Book of Morans!!

278 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:05:36am

re: #275 Decatur Deb

He did provide the soundtrack.

That was for the Vietnam war.

279 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:06:04am
280 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:07:11am

I’m surprised she still gets so much love. Could understand maybe just maybe if she was still in office and able to provide some sample of what she’d do as president but no she shits around on Twitter all the day bitching about POTUS like a deranged teenager and at nights she’s on Fox being told that everything would be just fine if she were president. I actually feel bad for the people who give money to her PAC and think it had a real impact when it’s actually just going to her personal expenses. She’s not a stateswoman or even a politician, she’s a celebitician.

281 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:07:17am

re: #271 darthstar

re: #276 Justanotherhuman

Besides the expected link to hate sites, I think we are missing the obvious….a Sarah Palin “fan site”??? Are you fucking kidding me? These are the same twits that claims the left worships Obama, yet they have a fucking fan site for a women who sank McGramps presidential campaign and abandoned her job as governor. Jebus, if they only knew how silly and pathetic they looked….

282 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:07:19am

re: #279 darthstar

1. Steal second base.
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2. Profit!

283 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:07:28am

It’s not streaking in your underwear. Chickenshit.

284 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:09:03am

re: #280 HappyWarrior

I’m surprised she still gets so much love. Could understand maybe just maybe if she was still in office and able to provide some sample of what she’d do as president but no she shits around on Twitter all the day bitching about POTUS like a deranged teenager and at nights she’s on Fox being told that everything would be just fine if she were president. I actually feel bad for the people who give money to her PAC and think it had a real impact when it’s actually just going to her personal expenses. She’s not a stateswoman or even a politician, she’s a celebitician.

No…she’s an ass. Pure and simple.

285 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:09:06am

re: #281 Dr. Matt

Besides the expected link to hate sites, I think we are missing the obvious….a Sarah Palin “fan site”??? Are you fucking kidding me? These are the same twits that claims the left worships Obama, yet they have a fucking fan site for a women who sank McGramps presidential campaign and abandoned her job as governor. Jebus, if they only knew how silly and pathetic they looked….

That’s nothing. I remember once a few years back Charles linking to a song sang in the tune of “The Battle Hymn of the Republic” but with lyrics about Palin instead. I mean it’s a fucking song about the republic of the United States, an idea bigger than any person let alone a half term governor who quit on her state to be a right wing folk hero.

286 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:09:32am

re: #284 ObserverArt

No…she’s an ass. Pure and simple.

That too, but I think celebtician is a good description too.

287 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:10:53am

re: #279 darthstar

The real news is that someone attended a Rays home game.

288 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:11:01am

re: #278 Vicious Babushka

That was for the Vietnam war.

That was the Rolling Stones.

289 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:11:55am

Friend of mine saw a praying mantis that had crawled into a plastic bag, so she stunned a fly and tossed it in…instant Happy Meal!
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290 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:11:56am

re: #284 ObserverArt

No…she’s an ass. Pure and simple.

And has found the ultimate base of idolators for her grifting.

291 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:12:00am

I would rather teabaggers flush their money down the toilet giving to Palin than to a truly dangerous organization like Americans For Prosperity or something. Palin is about Palin. She’ll squander all the money on herself.

292 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:12:02am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

That too, but I think celebtician is a good description too.

Agreed. But I don’t want to provide too much cover for the lack of character.

293 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:13:56am

re: #288 Decatur Deb

That was the Rolling Stones.

Got to think Hendrix has a song on that soundtrack too.

294 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:15:32am

re: #291 Amory Blaine

I would rather teabaggers flush their money down the toilet giving to Palin than to a truly dangerous organization like Americans For Prosperity or something. Palin is about Palin. She’ll squander all the money on herself.

Fortunately, she has become her own parody, a narcissistic blowhard. Good thing she didn’t have the smarts to actually get a good grip on her dangerous ideology.

295 piratedan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:18:21am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Got to think Hendrix has a song on that soundtrack too.

him and CCR

296 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:18:46am

You know even Bachmann put her money where her mouth is and ran for president. Palin has had chances to run for office: President last year and she could have challenged Lisa Murkowski in the Republican primary. But she never does. And she’ll probably have some excuse this year when she decides not to against Begich. Palin’s whole schtick is throwing lots of shit but then wanting no accountability for the crap she says and does. She’s truly a horrible person and I hope McCain is proud of himself for giving her a national audience. The good news though is at least we now know she’ll never be elected to anything outside of Alaska but it was such a horrible choice for VP.

297 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:19:09am

re: #295 piratedan

him and CCR

I ain’t no fortunate one.

298 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:19:38am

re: #291 Amory Blaine

She’ll squander all the money on herself.

Hair extensions, skinny jeans, and fugly glasses. She really embarrasses the washed-up flight attendant look.

299 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:21:19am

re: #298 Dr. Matt

Hair extensions, skinny jeans, and fugly glasses. She really embarrasses the washed-up flight attendant look.

Too funny. Washed-up flight attendant is so spot on. Works with the fact she is an air head.

300 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:22:21am

Her PAC website sure is slick.

301 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:23:41am

I don’t want to be a prudish dick but flight attendants are very poorly paid and provide valuable service.

302 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:23:58am

re: #300 Amory Blaine

Her PAC website sure is slick.

Programmed in HTML 2.0 by her tween daughter?

303 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:25:28am

Putting Time In Perspective

Humans are good at a lot of things, but putting time in perspective is not one of them. It’s not our fault—the spans of time in human history, and even more so in natural history, are so vast compared to the span of our life and recent history that it’s almost impossible to get a handle on it. If the Earth formed at midnight and the present moment is the next midnight, 24 hours later, modern humans have been around since 11:59:59pm—1 second. And if human history itself spans 24 hours from one midnight to the next, 14 minutes represents the time since Christ.

To try to grasp some perspective, I mapped out the history of time as a series of growing timelines—each timeline contains all the previous timelines (colors will help you see which timelines are which). All timeline lengths are exactly accurate to the amount of time they’re expressing.

Go check out the timelines…it’s a pretty good effort.

304 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:26:28am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

I ain’t no fortunate one.

Spectacular lady who played the soundtrack:

vetsville.org

305 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:28:58am
306 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:30:53am

re: #304 Decatur Deb

Spectacular lady who played the soundtrack:

vetsville.org

I think I actually read about her when doing some work on a Vietnam War history magazine during my stint at the history magazine company. Very cool job.

307 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:34:17am

They have their pick of what to blame. Video games, Buddhism, gun-free zone,*cough*ethnicity. Guns are far down the list.

308 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:35:31am

re: #303 darthstar

Putting Time In Perspective

Go check out the timelines…it’s a pretty good effort.

Fantastic! It’s why I’m an atheist and not vain enough to think that anything I’ve done will have any real effect on the future. But I’m perfectly fine with that, and with being cremated to go back into the space around me, in whatever fashion.

309 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:36:14am

re: #307 Amory Blaine

They have their pick of what to blame. Video games, Buddhism, gun-free zone,*cough*ethnicity. Guns are far down the list.

Yeah I saw that the guy was a Buddhist. Fucking idiots like Robertson, Fischer, etc are going to have a field day with that as if no Christian has ever done a mass shooting ever.

310 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:37:46am

Awww li’l ol wingnut uses “facts” and “logic” at moi:

311 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:39:13am
312 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:39:29am

Removing food stamps from the equation would cause a rather abrupt change that I’m not too sure the wingnuts would be very happy with.

313 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:39:35am
314 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:40:09am

re: #303 darthstar

Putting Time In Perspective

Go check out the timelines…it’s a pretty good effort.

Trés cool.

315 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:40:12am

re: #310 Vicious Babushka

That’s amusing, considering he probably has as much “compassion” for a Haitian as for the American working poor.

316 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:40:34am

re: #313 Gus

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We need to improve our mental healthcare system.

317 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:40:49am

Heh. XKCD’s “what-if” today is rather interesting in light of the whole NSA thing: how many punch cards would it take to encode all of Google’s 10 Exabytes of data?

Paged

318 erik_t  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:40:59am

Because Haiti, with her glorious 60% (!!) Gini coefficient, is a den of terrible liberal-socialist-communist profit-sharing, right?

I love when wingnut dipshits prove the point they were trying to refute.

319 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:41:23am

re: #312 Amory Blaine

Removing food stamps from the equation would cause a rather abrupt change that I’m not too sure the wingnuts would be very happy with.

Coincidentally, Thomas Sowell would like to do away with food stamps and all forms of government assistance as well as minimum wage.

He’s an asshole.

320 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:41:29am

re: #315 Internet Tough Guy

That’s amusing, considering he probably has as much “compassion” for a Haitian as for the American working poor.

Serves them right for rebelling against their French slave masters in 1804./// But yeah Obamanomics(whatever the fuck that is) causes so much suffering but conservative supply side shit economics doesn’t. What a crock.

321 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:42:28am

This “kerryepp” is a bucket o’derp, but still not anywhere near the level of Prudence or Lisa.

322 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:42:28am

It’s amazing watching the twitters and media pundits falling over themselves once again after yet another mass shooting. Drudge is busy on his anti-gun control nonsense, claiming that it’s all about mental health.

Others seem to echo this.

Yet, when legislation is proposed to close loopholes dealing with the mentally ill, these same people claim that it’s taking all the guns away.

Reports this morning seem to indicate that an AR 15 wasn’t involved in yesterday’s shooting, but that shouldn’t take away from the fact that several recent high profile cases did involve this weapon. The gun rights zealots point to this as proof of something.

Too many guns. Too many with access to firearms who have mental illnesses. Too many with guns who would not be able to get firearms if background checks picked up criminal histories (insufficient background checks).

And then there’s the issue of how this latest shooter was able to get on to the Navy Yard in the first place and what kind of security was in place and how that didn’t catch this guy before he started his rampage.

But to those on the right, the obvious and only problem is this: Obama. The cause of all problems, and the only solution is to block anything he suggests, even if he’s simply repeating the GOP talking points verbatim (as in the individual mandate for Obamacare).

323 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:42:34am

re: #319 Vicious Babushka

He must be an investor in guillotines.

324 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:44:35am
325 erik_t  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:44:37am

re: #317 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. XKCD’s “what-if” today is rather interesting in light of the whole NSA thing: how many punch cards would it take to encode all of Google’s 10 Exabytes of data?

Paged

I’m very pleased about this. Munroe has a lot of street cred with the technologically-inclined wing of the NSA derposphere; the Wired and Ars crowds, folks like that.

It may open a few eyes, even if only a few millimeters (or kilometers).

326 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:46:08am

re: #322 lawhawk

It’s amazing watching the twitters and media pundits falling over themselves once again after yet another mass shooting. Drudge is busy on his anti-gun control nonsense, claiming that it’s all about mental health.

Others seem to echo this.

Yet, when legislation is proposed to close loopholes dealing with the mentally ill, these same people claim that it’s taking all the guns away.

Reports this morning seem to indicate that an AR 15 wasn’t involved in yesterday’s shooting, but that shouldn’t take away from the fact that several recent high profile cases did involve this weapon. The gun rights zealots point to this as proof of something.

Too many guns. Too many with access to firearms who have mental illnesses. Too many with guns who would not be able to get firearms if background checks picked up criminal histories (insufficient background checks).

And then there’s the issue of how this latest shooter was able to get on to the Navy Yard in the first place and what kind of security was in place and how that didn’t catch this guy before he started his rampage.

But to those on the right, the obvious and only problem is this: Obama. The cause of all problems, and the only solution is to block anything he suggests, even if he’s simply repeating the GOP talking points verbatim (as in the individual mandate for Obamacare).

It’s simple to me. They don’t want solutions. They just want to bitch. Propose anything remotely that limits the absurdly easy access to guns in many parts of the country and the fucking NRA acts like it’s a stepping stone to the Holocaust and dictatorship but the NRA and their synchophants in the media and elected office are all too willing to just blame “crazy people” or advocate banning certain music, movies, video games, literature, etc but no we can’t talk about how easy it is to get a gun. Obviously, it’s a complicated issue but to totally act like easy access to guns isn’t the problem is plain old stupid. We as a society need to look at why gun related homicides are so common in our country and we can’t do that by having our politicians be scared shitless by an organization of paranoids like the NRA.

327 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:46:11am

Third shift. Time for bed. Fight the derp!!

328 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:46:47am
329 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:47:07am

re: #324 Vicious Babushka

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And Ben will continue to support Ken Cuccinnelli here in Virginia for governor who actually does support limiting your sexual rights but let’s ignore that and listen to this Eddie Munster wannabe.

330 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:47:47am
331 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:48:12am

re: #329 HappyWarrior
I always picture him as a deranged Wonder Years guy.

332 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:48:28am

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

This “kerryepp” is a bucket o’derp, but still not anywhere near the level of Prudence or Lisa.

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I’m pretty sure that low-income Americans’ “preferred coverage” is something like, you know, actual coverage…

333 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:48:45am

re: #331 Amory Blaine

I always picture him as a deranged Wonder Years guy.

Kevin Arnold played by Fred Savage. I can see that too.

334 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:49:13am

Meanwhile Lisa Phillips is retweeting Chemtrails boogabooga

335 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:49:38am

Good times, good times.

336 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:50:01am

Ben Shapiro as Kevin. Malkin as Winny.

337 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:50:49am

re: #336 Amory Blaine

Ben Shapiro as Kevin. Malkin as Winny.

Who gets to be Paul? You can have Limbaugh as the father.

338 Amory Blaine  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:52:07am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Who gets to be Paul? You can have Limbaugh as the father.

Tucker Carlson

339 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:52:51am

Bananas rule!

340 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:53:25am

Expertise from raving nutjob Thomas Sowell:

Minorities, like young people, can also be priced out of jobs. In the United States, the last year in which the black unemployment rate was lower than the white unemployment rate — 1930 — was also the last year when there was no federal minimum wage law.

Hey Tom did you know that in 1859 the Black unemployment rate in the South was 0%!

Confirmed! Fact!

341 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:56:32am

Exclusive: Navy Yard Dropped Its Guard, Pentagon Inspector General Says

Read more: swampland.time.com

So does this mean that other Inspectors General in other depts are doing the same kinds of probes into “contracting” services?

Snowden comes to mind…

342 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:57:02am

re: #340 Vicious Babushka

Expertise from raving nutjob Thomas Sowell:

Hey Tom did you know that in 1859 the Black unemployment rate in the South was 0%!

Confirmed! Fact!

Sowell should know that you can’t just combine two facts together and proclaim it a correlation. But then again, I remember he’s a hack.

343 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:57:33am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Sowell should know that you can’t just combine two facts together and proclaim it a correlation. But then again, I remember he’s a hack.

He is worse than just a hack. He is a Koch shill.

344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 7:57:50am

Fun factoid about the new Miss America, Nina Davuluri.
She is a graduate of University of Michigan with a degree in Brain Behavior and Cognitive Science, and hopes to be a cardiologist.

345 A Mom Anon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:00:46am

re: #334 Vicious Babushka

Stay Home!!! Eleventy!!!! Don’t leave the House!!!! EVER!!!! Be Afraid!!! OOOOGABOOGA!!!! Satan’s in the shrubbery right outside the front door!!! Don’t go anywhere!!!!

Please. Please to God* just stay in the house.

*Please to God is my son at aged 4 telling my mom, trying to shove Jesus stories and Sunday school on him (against my wishes) to shut up. “Please to God mamaw, hush it already. I wanna go play with the dog.”

346 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:00:51am

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun factoid about the new Miss American, Nina Davuluri.
She is a graduate of University of Michigan with a degree in Brain Behavior and Cognitive Science, and hopes to be a cardiologist.

She sounds like a smart young woman. I am totally indifferent to the pageant but the attacks on her make me sick. Even if she was a Muslim, she’s still an American and I am tired of fucking right wing nutjobs on the internet acting like you can’t be Muslim and a good American.

347 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:03:56am

More evidence of Alexis’s instability coming to light.

Navy Yard shooting suspect was cited in Georgia

wtop.com

“The disorderly conduct citation in DeKalb County states that Aaron Alexis damaged furnishings inside the club on Chamblee-Tucker Road near Interstate 285 on Aug. 10, 2008.

“The records obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press say he began using profanity repeatedly outside the nightspot. The citation says he wouldn’t stop swearing, despite being told several times.”

348 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:04:25am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

She sounds like a smart young woman. I am totally indifferent to the pageant but the attacks on her make me sick. Even if she was a Muslim, she’s still an American and I am tired of fucking right wing nutjobs on the internet acting like you can’t be Muslim and a good American.

Well, anymore I am coming to the conclusion that you can’t be an evangelical christian and a good American. From what the Constitution of the US says and the evangelical christian mandate is, they conflict.

349 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:05:22am

All this idiot does is repeat RWNJ talking points. He’s boring as shit.

350 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:06:08am

CONFIRMED. FACT.

351 erik_t  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:06:22am

“SUCKonimics”.

They really are quite the wordsmiths.

352 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:06:40am
As someone deep in the trenches of NSA, where I work on a daily basis with data acquired from these programs, I, too, feel compelled to raise my voice. Do I, as an American, have any concerns about whether the NSA is illegally or surreptitiously targeting or tracking the communications of other Americans?

The answer is emphatically, “No.”

Obviously a lickpittle loving authoritarian croc-wearing person. //

353 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:07:35am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

They’re getting desperate now.

354 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:08:55am

re: #351 erik_t

“SUCKonimics”.

They really are quite the wordsmiths.

Joyce would be proud.//

355 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:09:26am

Lisa shows Prudence and Kerryepp how far superior she is to them in sheer batshittery.

356 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:09:26am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Correlation ======= Causation!!!!1!1

357 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:09:40am

re: #322 lawhawk

I think this show that background checks and mechanisms that would prevent a guy like this would be prevented from buying any firearm after two priors is my takeaway.

358 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:10:49am
359 Ian G.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:10:50am

You know, I like nothing better than savage sarcasm when dealing with Randian nutcases, like crazy Grandpa Ron. They take themselves so seriously, and preen on and on about their own intellectual superiority (even though one I got into an argument with recently didn’t know the term was “eminent domain”, he kept repeating “imminent domain”). Here’s a nice takedown, with some of the aforementioned savage sarcasm.

newrepublic.com

360 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:11:37am

re: #334 Vicious Babushka

NWO — everybody knows the NWO haven’t been active since the 1990’s when World Champtionship Wrestling folded. //

361 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:12:30am

re: #357 Gus

I think this show that background checks and mechanisms that would prevent a guy like this would be prevented from buying any firearm after two priors is my takeaway.

Two prior arrests and he apparently sought out mental health care.

362 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:14:37am

re: #324 Vicious Babushka

And take away your Bible, too.

//

363 Ian G.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:15:49am

re: #209 Vicious Babushka

I love the irony, since Sakharov was probably monitored and/or threatened by the very agency where Vladimir Putin got his career started.

364 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:15:55am

re: #359 Ian G.

You know, I like nothing better than savage sarcasm when dealing with Randian nutcases, like crazy Grandpa Ron. They take themselves so seriously, and preen on and on about their own intellectual superiority (even though one I got into an argument with recently didn’t know the term was “eminent domain”, he kept repeating “imminent domain:). Here’s a nice takedown, with some of the aforementioned savage sarcasm.

newrepublic.com

It’s such a stupid idea but it’s totally expected from a bonafide reactionary like Dr. Do Nothing But Whine.

365 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:16:17am
366 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:16:36am

re: #358 Gus

Out of 3+ million.
When .000833333% is way too many. No sarc.

367 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:18:08am

re: #319 Vicious Babushka

Sowell gets wingnut welfare, so he doesn’t need gubmit assistance, and no one else he knows needs gubmit assistance either, although if they do it’s OK for them. //

368 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:19:45am

re: #366 Political Atheist

Out of 3+ million.
When .000833333% is way too many. No sarc.

Right. Which means any regulations like this would only impact a miniscule sector of American society. You’re average cowboy wouldn’t have to worry as long as they’re on the straight and narrow.

369 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:20:12am

re: #367 Bulworth

Sowell gets wingnut welfare, so he doesn’t need gubmit assistance, and no one else he knows needs gubmit assistance either, although if they do it’s OK for them. //

Wingnut welfare is brilliant shit. You get loads of money to write and pontificate about how everyone is lazy but you. I know Sowell comes from humble beginnings but maybe if he realized that the policies he blindly advocates for had a cause in poverty, he’d know better but then again as VB already put it, he’s a Koch hack.

370 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:22:30am
371 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:24:14am

Derp. What appears to be a workplace shooting related to mental health issues was caused by video games.

372 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:24:23am

re: #370 Gus

Shooter used video games to kill those people? Then by all means, yes. ///

373 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:24:42am

re: #370 Gus

We must restrict freedom of speech to protect unfettered access to lethal weapons.

374 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:24:53am

Charles Whitman played far too many video games.

//

375 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:25:08am

re: #373 Internet Tough Guy

We must restrict freedom of speech to protect unfettered access to lethal weapons.

And books!

376 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:26:03am

re: #370 Gus

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Yes but it’s 11:20. What I love about people like her is they think any discussion to make access to guns harder is an attack on liberty but she’s all for banning certain forms of media. The gun owners fairly do point out that the vast majority of them aren’t going around doing mass shootings but at the same time an equally vast majority of gamers aren’t doing that yet that hasn’t stopped Hasselback, LaPierre, and others from advocating that we ban certain video games. I think we need a better mental health system and we should be doing background checks on prospective gun owners. A gun is a serious weapon and the attempts to downplay that whenever a mass act of gun violence like what we saw yesterday at the Naval Yard occurs is really annoying.

377 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:26:51am

re: #373 Internet Tough Guy

We must restrict freedom of speech to protect unfettered access to lethal weapons.

That’s pretty much what she’s saying. In otherwords, she’s a dumb hypocrite who fits in perfectly with the Hive mentality at Fox.

378 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:27:25am

George Hennard must have played far too many video games. Oops, wait. 1991. 23 dead.

379 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:28:15am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

We have a God Given Right to own as many weapons as we choose to stockpile. God did not give us a right to play video games.

/

380 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:28:23am

Do we even know that this man was a gamer? Even if so, it really means nothing. A lot was made of the fact that Adam Lanza apparently played violent video games. As someone around Lanza’s age and even with the same neurological condition(Asperger’s Syndrome(, I can tell you that gaming is prevalent with his and my generation. The games are played by nerds, they’re played by jocks, they’re played by skaters, and everyone else in between.

381 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:28:35am

James Huberty. 1984. 21 dead. Not. Video. Games.

382 SnowdenBaggerVance  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:29:07am

You can pry my joystick from my cold dead fingers. Unless I get the Extra Life if I kill the next Boss.

383 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:29:22am

Howard Unruh- gamer. 1949. Oh wait.

384 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:29:27am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

It’s such a stupid idea but it’s totally expected from a bonafide reactionary like Dr. Do Nothing But Whine.

If RP hadn’t graduated from Dormont HS (now Keystone Oaks HS) in Pittsburgh, back in the 50s, he would have never been able to attend private Gettysburg College and Duke U.

Instead, he would have been working alongside the people he despises.

What an arrogant, elitist bastard.

385 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:30:36am
23 killed - October 16, 1991 - In Killeen, Texas, 35-year-old George Hennard crashes his pickup truck through the wall of a Lubys Cafeteria. After exiting the truck, Hennard shoots and kills 23 people. He then commits suicide.

21 killed - July 18, 1984 - In San Ysidro, California, 41-year-old James Huberty, armed with a long-barreled Uzi, a pump-action shotgun and a handgun shoots and kills 21 adults and children at a local McDonalds. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty one hour after the rampage begins.

18 killed - August 1, 1966 - University of Texas. Charles Joseph Whitman, a former U.S. Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 from a university tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shot and killed Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.

cnn.com

386 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:31:04am

re: #384 Justanotherhuman

If RP hadn’t graduated from Dormont HS (now Keystone Oaks HS) in Pittsburgh, back in the 50s, he would have never been able to attend private Gettysburg College and Duke U.

Instead, he would have been working alongside the people he despises.

What an arrogant, elitist bastard.

Ah cool, glad you found that out. I didn’t know he had attended public high school. The funniest is when Santorum lectures about the evils of public education since all his post secondary work was at a public institution.

387 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:31:23am

Inside sources have revealed the real cause of the shooting. It was an excess of McDonalds food. The man ate there frequently, so that must be it.

388 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:31:44am

And now we’re back to Square One of Wingnut Talking Points.
OBAMA!!! OBAMA!!11!! BENGHAZI!!111 BENGHAZI!!11!

389 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:32:38am
8 killed - July 1, 1993 - In San Francisco, California, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself.

8 killed - September 14, 1989 - In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He was placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems.

8 killed - May 17, 1984 - In Manley Hot Springs, Alaska, 25-year-old drifter Army veteran Michael Silka kills eight people in a three-hour rampage. Two days later, Silka is killed in a shootout with police.

8 killed - August 20, 1982 - In Miami, Florida, 51-year-old history teacher Carl Robert Brown, angry about a repair bill and armed with a shotgun, kills eight people at a machine shop. He flees by bicycle, but is shot on the back by a witness who pursued him. He was on leave from school for psychological treatment

390 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:33:09am

Alex Jones apparently on point yesterday calling the shooting yesterday a distraction. I’m sick of that shithead doing that after every tragedy this country has to endure.

391 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:35:58am

re: #388 Vicious Babushka

So before Obama, Democratic policies were OK; it was only after his arrival on the political scene did they turn bad.

392 blueraven  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:38:25am

re: #370 Gus

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This man obviously had very violent tendencies. It was not the games that caused this. It is his mental state combined with the ability to easily access lethal weapons.

Yes, he played violent video games excessively.
That is rather strange for a 34 y/o man. He had severe mental issues!

393 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:39:30am

I blame 50s film noir crime movies.

394 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:40:11am

Comic books.

395 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:40:39am

Kerry keeps repeating talking points over and over. Obviously thinking is a stranger to him.

396 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:42:26am

re: #391 Internet Tough Guy

So before Obama, Democratic policies were OK; it was only after his arrival on the political scene did they turn bad.

America was the best country on earth and then overnight Obama made it the worst. But yeah I get what you’re going at, they’re very schizoid when it comes to how they analyze policy.

397 piratedan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:43:04am

re: #393 Gus

I blame 50s film noir crime movies.

I think it was John Hughes films, giving teenagers the notion that they’re people too

398 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:43:25am

re: #393 Gus

I blame literacy; if he wasn’t able to read instruction manuals for his guns, Alexis wouldn’t have been able to shoot anyone.

We must close down all public schools to eliminate this threat to our society.

399 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:44:47am

re: #397 piratedan

I think it was John Hughes films, giving teenagers the notion that they’re people too

James Dean destroyed American youth. He preceded the hippie generation. //

400 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:45:27am

re: #398 Internet Tough Guy

I blame literacy; if he wasn’t able to read instruction manuals for his guns, Alexis wouldn’t have been able to shoot anyone.

We must close down all public schools to eliminate this threat to our society.

Opposable thumbs. Obviously. //

401 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:45:44am

re: #308 Justanotherhuman

Fantastic! It’s why I’m an atheist and not vain enough to think that anything I’ve done will have any real effect on the future. But I’m perfectly fine with that, and with being cremated to go back into the space around me, in whatever fashion.

I’ve seen multiple universities and museums that just do part of that. Usually formation of the earth to the present day as a series of foot prints or other track markings and showing that our human history is the last inch or so of something yards long.

402 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:46:11am

re: #399 Gus

James Dean destroyed American youth. He preceded the hippie generation. //

Kerouac really does come off like a selfish prick.

403 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:47:07am

This idiot clearly has no understanding of economics or what creates jobs.

404 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:47:49am

re: #402 Decatur Deb

Kerouac really does come off like a selfish prick.

Big Band music. Cab Calloway. The psychedelic drug of marijuana and the ACLU. //

405 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:48:27am

re: #400 Gus

Opposable thumbs. Obviously. //

Why do you liberals always go there? Without the opposable thumbs, how could we flick the safety off of our God-given guns?

406 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:48:27am

re: #404 Gus

Big Band music. Cab Calloway. The psychedelic drug of marijuana and the ACLU. //

Ragtime.

407 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:49:22am

re: #406 Decatur Deb

Ragtime.

Hey. I was going there next. :D

The player piano.

408 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:49:39am

re: #406 Decatur Deb

Ragtime.

Chopin!

409 blueraven  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:49:58am

Bull…it was the monolith

410 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:50:01am

Well I blame God for creating this place of heathens.//

411 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:50:04am

Those violent plays at the Globe Theatre.

412 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:50:07am

re: #386 HappyWarrior

Ah cool, glad you found that out. I didn’t know he had attended public high school. The funniest is when Santorum lectures about the evils of public education since all his post secondary work was at a public institution.

Rand Paul also attended a public HS, Brazoswood, in TX, and no doubt his 4 siblings did as well. He went on to Baylor where he belonged to this “secret club”, en.wikipedia.org and Daddy’s influence probably got him into Duke, where he got his MD.

413 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:50:28am

re: #403 Vicious Babushka

This idiot clearly has no understanding of economics or what creates jobs.

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There was a famous quote from a UAW boss who was shown the latest GM automated assembly line by a manager who boasted: “See, not a single union memeber in the hall!”

To which the UAW boss replied “And not a single GM customer in there, either!”

414 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:50:28am

re: #411 Vicious Babushka

Those violent plays at the Globe Theatre.

Shakespeare.

415 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:50:30am

Workplace violence takeaway-
At the bank the 4” of plexiglass protects the tellers. At the Post office it protects the customers.

Video game makers were unavailable for comment.

416 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:50:36am

re: #408 Vicious Babushka

Chopin!

Liszt was funkier, with his cigar-eating fangirls.

417 Internet Tough Guy  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:50:52am

re: #403 Vicious Babushka

Really, the only proper response to him is:

COCKS

418 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:51:30am

Damn poets are destroying America.

419 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:51:33am

re: #411 Vicious Babushka

Those violent plays at the Globe Theatre.

Not to mentmention all the violence, smitings, rapine and slayings in the Bible…

420 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:52:45am
421 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:52:53am

I didn’t tell him that my real paycheck comes from Teh Zionists.

422 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:52:57am

re: #418 Gus

Damn poets are destroying America.

Philosophers are corrupting our youth. Drink up.

423 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:53:38am

re: #420 bratwurst

I can’t decide which Right Wing Watch headline I like better so far today:

Klayman: ‘Mr. President, Put The Quran Down, Get Up Off Your Knees And Come Out With Your Hands Up!’

or

Keyes: We Must Elect An ‘Impeachment And Removal Congress’ In 2014

Klayman wins for the sheer delusion. This isn’t Homeland, Larry.

424 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:53:43am

Honky tonk piano music led to saloon fights and other Western violence. It was always the piano players fault.

425 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:53:59am

re: #422 Decatur Deb

Philosophers are corrupting our youth. Drink up.

So-crates.

426 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:54:10am

Back to the future.

427 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:54:21am
428 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:54:57am

Bible causes widespread global violence as it is misread by millions and the few seeking wealth. //

429 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:55:36am

re: #422 Decatur Deb

Philosophers are corrupting our youth. Drink up.

No hemlock for me…coffee does fine. : )

430 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:55:44am

I think when he says “WOW”, he really means “THANK ME EVERYONE!”:

431 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:56:04am

re: #429 Justanotherhuman

No hemlock for me…coffee does fine. : )

Pornographic hieroglyphs:

en.wikipedia.org

432 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:57:00am

re: #430 bratwurst

I think when he says “WOW”, he really means “THANK ME EVERYONE!”:

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Yeah. I’m sure Bombardier will cancel their US orders. //

433 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:57:19am

re: #431 Decatur Deb

Pornographic hieroglyphs:

en.wikipedia.org

That’s it!

CAVE PAINTINGS!!!!

434 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:59:30am

re: #424 Gus

Honky tonk piano music led to saloon fights and other Western violence. It was always the piano players fault.

My mother-in-law has an old wooden sign that reads: “Don’t shoot the piano player, he’s doing the best he can!”

435 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 8:59:41am

re: #430 bratwurst

Shorter Greenwald: Ruining US foreign relations is a plus.

Even though every country spies as a matter of right and prudence on every other country, when the US does it, this is wrong, and must be stopped at all costs.

The takeaway is that Greenwald’s purposefully trying to screw around with US national security by exaggerating claims of what the NSA does, and ignoring the fact that there’s a robust oversight (which could be more robust, and has been made more robust by the current administration to fix problems from the Bush Administration period when some of these procedures were instituted).

436 Ian G.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:00:07am

re: #430 bratwurst

The Brazilian economy is tanking, Brazilians are protesting in the streets, so Rousseff takes a page from the oldest playbook among left-leaning politicians in the developing world: take a shot at Uncle Sam.

Meanwhile, Greenwald is probably paying someone $.50 a day to build the walls to his compound higher so that no stray bullets hit him.

437 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:00:31am

re: #435 lawhawk

Shorter Greenwald: Ruining US foreign relations is a plus.

Even though every country spies as a matter of right and prudence on every other country, when the US does it, this is wrong, and must be stopped at all costs.

The takeaway is that Greenwald’s purposefully trying to screw around with US national security by exaggerating claims of what the NSA does, and ignoring the fact that there’s a robust oversight (which could be more robust, and has been made more robust by the current administration to fix problems from the Bush Administration period when some of these procedures were instituted).

Who needs facts when you’ve got an outrage mobile.

438 piratedan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:01:04am

re: #430 bratwurst

will someone send that “journalist” a copy of Carly Simon’s “You’re So Vain” please…

439 Ian G.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:01:11am

re: #432 Gus

Yeah. I’m sure Bombardier will cancel their US orders. //

Embraer. Bombardier is Canadian. But point taken. :-)

440 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:01:27am

Poor Kerrpepp wants to desperately to be validated.

441 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:02:04am

re: #436 Ian G.

The Brazilian economy is tanking, Brazilians are protesting in the streets, so Rousseff takes a page from the oldest playbook among left-leaning politicians in the developing world: take a shot at Uncle Sam.

Meanwhile, Greenwald is probably paying someone $.50 a day to build the walls to his compound higher so that no stray bullets hit him.

Yep. You didn’t hear Brazil complaining about this when their economy was stronger and when Bush was in office. GG wants to sell a narrative that Obama is the one that came up with the NSA and the NSA programs. He knows that it’s not true but he knows a lot of other people don’t know the truth.

442 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:03:27am

Freakin’ gas prices, how do they work?

443 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:04:21am

re: #434 thedopefishlives

My mother-in-law has an old wooden sign that reads: “Don’t shoot the piano player, he’s doing the best he can!”

The less polite version: “Don’t shoot me, I just play the piano in this whorehouse.” Source of Truffaut’s Don’t Shoot the Piano Player.

444 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:05:01am

re: #442 Vicious Babushka

Freakin’ gas prices, how do they work?

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Me fail economics? That’s unpossible.

445 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:05:31am

re: #442 Vicious Babushka

Freakin’ gas prices, how do they work?

[Embedded content]

Also simply not true around here. We were paying 2.49 not long ago.

446 Ian G.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:05:47am

re: #442 Vicious Babushka

Obama went back in time to cause that price spike in 2008 that occurred before his presidency.

//////

447 Ian G.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:06:13am

re: #444 HappyWarrior

Me fail economics? That’s unpossible.

Actually, it’s pretty much a requirement to be a Republican these days.

448 Ian G.  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:07:50am

re: #442 Vicious Babushka

Also, aren’t we producing more domestic energy thanks to shale fracking than we’ve done in decades? What the hell is Gomer talking about? Maybe the jihadis who look and talk like Mexicans are stealing all of it….

449 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:08:16am

re: #442 Vicious Babushka

Freakin’ gas prices, how do they work?

“Unlike brief periods of high prices, longer periods of expensive gas boost the popularity of smaller, more fuel-efficient vehicles”.

Scandal! We must put an end to this!!!

/

450 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:09:05am

re: #442 Vicious Babushka

451 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:12:55am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

America was the best country on earth and then overnight Obama made it the worst. But yeah I get what you’re going at, they’re very schizoid when it comes to how they analyze policy.

This brings up something I think about regarding all the wingnuttia that has gone on since Obama took office in 2009.

The day after the next president is sworn in and these nuts find all our institutions are still in place and America is pretty much the same as before Obama took office, will they think that they had overreacted the whole time?

Oh, I know the answer…but I just wonder in a teeny tiny little brain if the light ever comes on and they for even one second think “what the hell was I thinking, what is my problem?”

Just like Beck and Jones…what do they think AFTER all the shit they predict doesn’t happen? Do they ever think they are getting over on the fools knowing that is exactly what they are doing. I doubt it, but the big question is…do they ever think they have zero character and are just money grubbing jerks?

I have always felt that you can lie to yourself, but that little voice is always saying “you know, you are being dishonest and are really a bad person.” I think you have to make some effort to turn that voice off to be able to live with yourself knowing you are an asshole.

How is that done. My inner voices beats me up to no end to always try to do the right thing.

452 piratedan  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:14:01am

re: #435 lawhawk

Shorter Greenwald: Ruining US foreign relations is a plus.

Even though every country spies as a matter of right and prudence on every other country, when the US does it, this is wrong, and must be stopped at all costs.

The takeaway is that Greenwald’s purposefully trying to screw around with US national security by exaggerating claims of what the NSA does, and ignoring the fact that there’s a robust oversight (which could be more robust, and has been made more robust by the current administration to fix problems from the Bush Administration period when some of these procedures were instituted).

Well there is a REAL problem to our privacy, it’s rarely discussed because so many people are dependent upon it. They call it “journalism”. There are people out there, getting paid mind you, who can follow you, ask questions about you and there’s nothing you can do about it. They talk to your neighbors, your past employers, they can sift through ANY public records that can be found on you. Plus, there’s absolutely nothing to prevent them from searching for you on the web. That’s right, they can track down every Facebook post and comment you may have made on ANY internet comment board on any blog that’s out there, no matter how obscure. Then, they get to write the narrative, take things out of context and paint a picture of you that can essentially ruin your life and THERE’S NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP THEM. They have the power to do this, ANYTIME THEY WANT TO! Everyday, there are loads of people who get singled out for this treatment and there’s no laws to protect you from letting them have their say. If they’re wrong, guess what, they print some correction buried deep in their publication where hardly anyone can see it, yeah, that’s so nice to know isn’t it…..

But you see, not many journalists behave this way, because like the NSA, they simply don’t have the time to do so because they’re busy doing their jobs…..

453 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:15:53am

re: #448 Ian G.

Also, aren’t we producing more domestic energy thanks to shale fracking than we’ve done in decades? What the hell is Gomer talking about? Maybe the jihadis who look and talk like Mexicans are stealing all of it….

We have more oil, but that oil is more expensive to produce. THANKS OBAMA.

454 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:16:46am

lolwut

455 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:16:46am

re: #451 ObserverArt

This brings up something I think about regarding all the wingnuttia that has gone on since Obama took office in 2009.

The day after the next president is sworn in and these nuts find all our institutions are still in place and America is pretty much the same as before Obama took office, will they think that they had overreacted the whole time?

Oh, I know the answer…but I just wonder in a teeny tiny little brain if the light ever comes on and they for even one second think “what the hell was I thinking, what is my problem?”

Just like Beck and Jones…what do they think AFTER all the shit they predict doesn’t happen? Do they ever think they are getting over on the fools knowing that is exactly what they are doing. I doubt it, but the big question is…do they ever think they have zero character and are just money grubbing jerks?

I have always felt that you can lie to yourself, but that little voice is always saying “you know, you are being dishonest and are really a bad person.” I think you have to make some effort to turn that voice off to be able to live with yourself knowing you are an asshole.

How is that done. My inner voices beats me up to no end to always try to do the right thing.

I can’t speak about Beck but Jones was doing this shit in the Bush years too. He’ll be paranoid about whoever is in office until he finally either comes to his senses or dies. I hope the former rather than the latter.

456 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:17:22am

re: #447 Ian G.

Actually, it’s pretty much a requirement to be a Republican these days.

It is but I had to pull a Ralph Wiggumism.

457 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:19:52am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

I can’t speak about Beck but Jones was doing this shit in the Bush years too. He’ll be paranoid about whoever is in office until he finally either comes to his senses or dies. I hope the former rather than the latter.

Beck guaranteed that the passage of ObamaCare would result in the end of America. Nuff said

458 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:19:53am

re: #453 thedopefishlives

We have more oil, but that oil is more expensive to produce. THANKS OBAMA.

Lower environmental & safety regulations will help reduce production costs, won’t they? And what are a few tarballs between freinds?

459 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:21:29am

re: #419 Sol Berdinowitz

Not to mentmention all the violence, smitings, rapine and slayings in the Bible…

Beowulf. It all started with Beowulf!!!

460 thedopefishlives  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:21:51am

re: #458 Sol Berdinowitz

Lower environmental & safety regulations will help reduce production costs, won’t they? And what are a few tarballs between freinds?

I prefer bzip2, but whatever floats your boat, I suppose.

461 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:22:32am

re: #457 Dr. Matt

Beck guaranteed that the passage of ObamaCare would result in the end of America. Nuff said

Oh I know but the question is what will Beck do once Obama leaves office. He’s no doubt equally as paranoid as Jones and perhaps even more amusingly so since he thinks he’s “different” from Jones but my point is that Jones pulled this shit in the Bush years and I expect will regardless of party. Beck I see being a good soldier for the right wing movement and supporting whatever the next Republican president does. Perhaps not like Limbaugh but he’s more of a hack than Jones is. Jones is plain old nuts.

462 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:23:34am

re: #430 bratwurst

I think when he says “WOW”, he really means “THANK ME EVERYONE!”:

WOW: Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff cancels state dinner in US over NSA spying t.co
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 17, 2013

Good. Fuck him.

463 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:23:50am

I just paid €1.60 per liter of unleaded here in Germany. Times €1.34 per dollar comes to $2.14 per liter times 3.785 liters per gallon = $8.12 per gallon.

America would go to war before it would pay prices like that…

464 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:23:55am

re: #426 Gus

Back to the future.

AGAIN???

Aww dad, do we have to?

465 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:25:21am

re: #431 Decatur Deb

Pornographic hieroglyphs:

en.wikipedia.org

Makes you start thinking what that shroud really was cleaning up after.

466 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:25:46am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

Oh I know but the question is what will Beck do once Obama leaves office. He’s no doubt equally as paranoid as Jones and perhaps even more amusingly so since he thinks he’s “different” from Jones but my point is that Jones pulled this shit in the Bush years and I expect will regardless of party. Beck I see being a good soldier for the right wing movement and supporting whatever the next Republican president does. Perhaps not like Limbaugh but he’s more of a hack than Jones is. Jones is plain old nuts.

The hallmark of modern conservatives is that they put personal interests above all while selectively pounding their chests in support of whatever “conservative principle” serves their short-term advantage.

467 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:31:19am

re: #450 Dr. Matt

@replouiegohmert If you believe the president can lower gas prices, you have NO business as a politician suckling off the government teet.

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) September 17, 2013

Exactly. Bush said he didn’t have a “magic wand” to lower prices and it was just fine and dandy. Has the current Pres found that wand that so eluded Bush the Lesser?

468 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:32:03am

re: #430 bratwurst

And GG desperately rides his one-trick pony, soon-to-be dead horse. Yawn

469 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:32:14am

While tweeting shit at kerry (a very lame wingnut) I missed a whole bunch of outstanding Derp by Lisa.

Out of respect to Sol I won’t post it here.

Not all of it, but some.

470 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:33:02am

I’m old enough to remember the Arab Oil Embargo and “Project Independence”.

presidency.ucsb.edu

Wonder how these yahoos would like having to “take a number”, be limited to a certain number of gallons and wait until “your day” (usually odd and even) came?

Nixon would have been far too liberal for the right wing of today. And a lot of those right wingers would be out of work. I was hired as a food stamp eligibility specialist during that period because so many people were laid off—it was a horrible economy—and we saw people, middle class people w/good jobs, we would have never seen had this not happened. The end of the US involvement in Vietnam, war in the ME (Egypt & Syria attacking Israel), Nixon finally resigning in 1974, the oil crisis—it was a real convergence of events that left people reeling for the rest of the ’70s, and led the country into a rightward direction that elected an aging actor in 1980.

471 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 9:55:42am

In Bangladesh:

Abdul Kader Mullah, a leader of the Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami party, is sentenced to death for war crimes in the Bangladesh Liberation War in 1971.

I am noticing that this time, there are no riots.

It looks like the Islamists have accepted their fate.

472 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:01:49am

I am an Ace in thread killing.

473 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:02:24am

re: #472 ProTARDISLiberal

I am an Ace in thread killing.

Do you have a history of thread-related violence?

474 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:03:51am

re: #463 Sol Berdinowitz

I just paid €1.60 per liter of unleaded here in Germany. Times €1.34 per dollar comes to $2.14 per liter times 3.785 liters per gallon = $8.12 per gallon.

America would go to war before it would pay prices like that…

That must really cause everything that is transported to be a lot more money. Meat, produce, bulk items. Clean diesel still outsells hybrids in Europe, though I read that is turning around.

475 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:06:26am

re: #474 Political Atheist

That must really cause everything that is transported to be a lot more money. Meat, produce, bulk items. Clean diesel still outsells hybrids in Europe, though I read that is turning around.

Yes, distances are not as great, and a lot more is moved by train. And there is a bigger emphasis on fuel efficiency. Truck diesel is still relatively cheap thanks to lobbying by the transportation industry but still around 1 euro per liter, or over $5 per gallon.

476 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:09:06am

Fox News’ Hasselbeck: Navy Yard shooting shows need for video game registry, not gun control

“One thing that happens often in a situation as tragic as this is we start to spread blame where it possibly doesn’t belong, right?” Hasselbeck remarked. “I think we all know where the blame truly belongs, and that would be right in Alexis’ hands.”

“But you talk about this guy’s background, as we look into it,” Kilmeade continued. “He’s got a friend, who said, ‘Yeah, he had an obsession with video games, shooting video games. In fact, he would come over and he would be playing so long — these video games, these shooting games — we’d have to give him dinner, we’d have to feed him while he continued to stay on them.’”

“Are more people susceptible to playing video games?” Hasselbeck wondered. “Is there a link between a certain age group or [demographic] in 20- to 34-year-old men, perhaps, that are playing these video games and their violent actions?”

“What about frequency testing?” she added. “How often has this game been played? I’m not one to get in there and say, monitor everything, but if this, indeed, is a strong link, right, to mass killings then why aren’t we looking at frequency of purchases per person? And also, how often they’re playing and maybe they time out after a certain hour.”

477 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:09:16am
478 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:10:02am

re: #476 Kragar

Youtube Video

479 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:11:01am

re: #467 Eventual Carrion

Exactly. Bush said he didn’t have a “magic wand” to lower prices and it was just fine and dandy. Has the current Pres found that wand that so eluded Bush the Lesser?

And they conveniently have forgotten that gas was around $1.20 when Clinton left office and never got even close to that during the 8 years of dubyah’s failed administration.

480 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:11:36am

re: #476 Kragar

Fox News’ Hasselbeck: Navy Yard shooting shows need for video game registry, not gun control

Well, that explains all the mass shootings in Japan, where they play the most violent video games of any nation on earth!
//

481 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:11:48am

re: #477 darthstar

Ugh. Glad I finished lunch.

482 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:11:55am

re: #479 Dr. Matt

And they conveniently have forgotten that gas was around $1.20 when Clinton left office and never got even close to that during the 8 years of dubyah’s failed administration.

Mussolini made the trains run on time, an American President is expected to keep gas prices low.

483 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:13:11am

derp

484 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:13:50am

re: #480 Vicious Babushka

Well, that explains all the mass shootings in Japan, where they play the most violent video games of any nation on earth!
//

Just look at the massive gun violence sweeping South Korea.
/

485 A Mom Anon  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:14:11am

re: #476 Kragar

I see. So we can have complex mechanisms and all kinds of monitoring in place over video games, but we couldn’t put ANY sort of similar rules and regs in place for guns?

God this woman is an idiot. A former reality show “star” and this somehow got parlayed into a lucrative career. While I’m sitting here trying to figure out how I’m going to pay for a very frugal Christmas. Yeah, sure, work hard and what?

486 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:14:23am

re: #476 Kragar

Fox News’ Hasselbeck: Navy Yard shooting shows need for video game registry, not gun control

I’ll support that when there is a statistically noticeable up-tick in security guards being injured via arrows to the knee.
//

487 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:14:28am

re: #484 Kragar

Just look at the massive gun violence sweeping South Korea.
/

And the Netherlands.

488 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:15:25am
489 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:17:50am

Christian Post: GOP Too Intelligent For Average Voter, Will Win By Shaming Women Who Seek An Abortion

“Conservatism is too cerebral for many Americans,” writes Rachel Alexander at the Christian Post. She claims that Republicans continue to lose elections “because people are lazy” and simply not smart enough to understand why Democrats are wrong on the issues.

“While Americans deep down prefer shows like Duck Dynasty, they’re allowing the left to win on social issues,” Alexander said. “Republicans need to quit lamenting over the backwards fact that the most intelligent party is not the most successful.”

One way to change to “turn the tide” and improve the GOP’s image as a “cold and heartless” party, she writes, is to shame women who seek an abortion: “Portray the woman who wants to abort her baby as cruel and selfish, and showcase those children who grew up with permanent injuries as a result of an attempted, botched abortion. These kinds of portrayals must be done frequently and everywhere.”

490 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:21:01am

re: #484 Kragar

Just look at the massive gun violence sweeping South Korea.
/

That’s Starcraft country. They’re probably too busy constructing additional Pylons.

491 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:22:30am

re: #481 Dr. Matt

Ugh. Glad I finished lunch.

Looks like the GOP working on their next Obamacare repeal bill.

492 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:29:14am

Miller et al., Firearms and Suicide in the United States: Is Risk Independent of Underlying Suicidal Behavior? Am. J. Epidemiol. (2013) 178 (6): 946-955.

Abstract: On an average day in the United States, more than 100 Americans die by suicide; half of these suicides involve the use of firearms. In this ecological study, we used linear regression techniques and recently available state-level measures of suicide attempt rates to assess whether, and if so, to what extent, the well-established relationship between household firearm ownership rates and suicide mortality persists after accounting for rates of underlying suicidal behavior. After controlling for state-level suicide attempt rates (2008-2009), higher rates of firearm ownership (assessed in 2004) were strongly associated with higher rates of overall suicide and firearm suicide, but not with nonfirearm suicide (2008-2009). Furthermore, suicide attempt rates were not significantly related to gun ownership levels. These findings suggest that firearm ownership rates, independent of underlying rates of suicidal behavior, largely determine variations in suicide mortality across the 50 states. Our results support the hypothesis that firearms in the home impose suicide risk above and beyond the baseline risk and help explain why, year after year, several thousand more Americans die by suicide in states with higher than average household firearm ownership compared with states with lower than average firearm ownership.

493 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:37:44am

re: #492 Dr. Matt

You might find this illuminating. Suicidal people certainly go for what is convenient, hence suicide by coal gas oven was once a big problem. Guns certainly take all the effort out of suicide. Getting rid of cars with enclosed garages and tall bridges might be a bigger challenge than gun control.

Edit, duh.
io9.com

494 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:38:02am

I’m waiting for Rep Issa to launch hearings into why “PBO left those Navy Yard workers To Die!!!”
//

495 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:38:43am

re: #491 darthstar

You mean they’re back in town? Oh dear….

/

496 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:42:53am
497 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:44:09am

re: #496 Kragar

Yup, no armed security guards, no weapons of any kind, Bryan. //

498 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:45:03am

re: #489 Kragar

“Conservatism is too cerebral for many Americans,” writes Rachel Alexander at the Christian Post.

More “Conservatism has never failed, it has only been failed.”

Hahahahaahha

499 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:48:14am

re: #489 Kragar

So, someone apparently wrote this. For reals?

Americans appear to have begun entering a more conservative phase, reflected in part by the popularity of the family-oriented, God-loving TV show Duck Dynasty. Although it is not a big expensive production, just a reality show, it has become the second most popular show on cable TV.

Yet this isn’t translating into changes in Americans’ politics or their government. Americans are still voting for Democrats, accepting socially liberal positions and expanding government.

You mean a reality TV show hasn’t led to a political realignment? What hope is there? //

500 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:48:29am

re: #498 Bulworth

More “Conservatism has never failed, it has only been failed.”

Hahahahaahha

“The only reason a conservative would lose an election is if they aren’t conservative enough!” - paraphrasing Rush Limbaugh

501 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:48:55am

re: #496 Kragar

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Yes, so “gun-free” that the rifle and pistol involved in shooting came from a dead guard.

502 darthstar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:49:27am
503 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:49:40am

re: #499 Bulworth

So, someone apparently wrote this. For reals?

You mean a reality TV show hasn’t led to a political realignment? What hope is there? //

I wouldn’t know. I’ve never wasted my time watching a reality TV show.

504 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:51:05am

So the person who wrote this

“Conservatism is too cerebral for many Americans,” writes Rachel Alexander at the Christian Post.

went on to write

Americans appear to have begun entering a more conservative phase, reflected in part by the popularity of the family-oriented, God-loving TV show Duck Dynasty. Although it is not a big expensive production, just a reality show, it has become the second most popular show on cable TV.

Yet this isn’t translating into changes in Americans’ politics or their government. Americans are still voting for Democrats, accepting socially liberal positions and expanding government.

“Conservatism too celebral….Duck Dynasty will change Amercia.”

Ponder that conjunction.

505 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:51:16am

re: #503 Kragar

I wouldn’t know. I’ve never wasted my time watching a reality TV show.

I gave up on them awhile back, mostly because every time I’d start to find interest, I’d read the little disclaimers about how most of it is “reenactments of actual events.”

506 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:51:38am

re: #502 darthstar

Please proceed…..

507 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:52:44am

Officials: Navy Yard Shooter Had Shotgun And Handguns, Not AR-15

Law enforcement officials say the Navy contractor identified as the gunman in the deadly shootings at the Washington Navy Yard used a shotgun and two handguns, but not an AR-15 assault rifle, as officials previously said.

Two law enforcement officials told The Associated Press that an AR-15 was found at the scene. One of them said Tuesday that Alexis did not use that weapon in the shootings. It was not immediately clear whether the rifle belonged to a law enforcement or security officer responding to the gun battle. The official said Tuesday the guns that Alexis used included a shotgun he had purchased and two handguns that he took away from law enforcement officer at the scene.

508 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:54:43am

re: #496 Kragar

People seem to have a complete misunderstanding as to what gun free zones are about. They’re about enhanced penalties for firearms offenses in certain areas - namely schools under 18 USC 922(q), but other designated areas are considered gun free zones. Commit a crime in a gun free zone and you have additional penalties added to the charges - longer time in prison, additional charges, etc.

Law enforcement and security personnel are excluded. They can continue to carry firearms in these areas - with certain exceptions such as on military facilities, where the rules will vary.

Specifically, the law applies to the following:

(2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.

Now here comes the exemptions:

(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
(iii) that is—
(I) not loaded; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.

509 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:54:50am
510 Gus  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:55:36am
511 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:55:45am

re: #507 Kragar

Officials: Navy Yard Shooter Had Shotgun And Handguns, Not AR-15

So the “good guys with guns” got blasted with a shotgun and looted for their guns.

Wonder if Wayne will stop to consider that before marching on with the call for “More Guns!!!”

512 Kragar  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 10:57:25am

re: #511 Targetpractice

So the “good guys with guns” got blasted with a shotgun and looted for their guns.

Wonder if Wayne will stop to consider that before marching on with the call for “More Guns!!!”

Apparently a bad guy with a gun can stop a good guy with a gun.

513 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:00:08am

re: #508 lawhawk

They don’t care what “gun free zone” really means. They care that their mis-definition of it sounds good and can be used as a club against their political foes. The GOP and their allies fell into a “fact free zone” a while back and have no interest in climbing back out.

514 Bulworth  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:00:28am

re: #508 lawhawk

You mean Bryan doesn’t know WTF he’s talking about?

Sounds about right.

515 Dr. Matt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:09:40am

re: #504 Bulworth

went on to write

Americans appear to have begun entering a more conservative phase, reflected in part by the popularity of the family-oriented, God-loving TV show Duck Dynasty. Although it is not a big expensive production, just a reality show, it has become the second most popular show on cable TV.

Walking Dead still has better ratings than Duck Dynasty.

516 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:11:23am

re: #493 Political Atheist

You might find this illuminating. Suicidal people certainly go for what is convenient, hence suicide by coal gas oven was once a big problem. Guns certainly take all the effort out of suicide. Getting rid of cars with enclosed garages and tall bridges might be a bigger challenge than gun control.

Edit, duh.
io9.com

Oh for dog’s sake. Really, you’re going to bring in garages and bridges? And I suppose poison and bathtubs are waiting in the wings?

firearms account for half of suicides all by themselves. see CDC (source), table 18, for example numbers from 2010.

Total suicides: 38364.
Suicides from firearms: 19392.
Total suffocation (of which cars in garages are part): 9493.
Suicides from falls: 781.

517 ObserverArt  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:13:33am

I sure would like to see the political party breakdown for Duck Dynasty. You know, just asking questions.

518 simoom  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:49:21am

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Just a quick heads up. The current front page post on the UN Report now has the comments disabled: “Comments are disabled for this entry.” Not sure if perhaps that occurs when it’s being edited since you recently added promoted page editing?

519 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:56:09am

Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Just STFU.

520 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 17, 2013 11:57:39am

And Jesus just totally loved the heck out of it!
Oh, wait.
No he didn’t.


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