1 | klys Wed, Oct 30, 2013 12:58:24pm |
I wonder what government this is that people keep expecting things to roll out and work perfectly the first time with absolutely no kinks, exactly how the politicians say it should.
It’s clearly not the one they keep electing Republicans to.
2 | prairiefire Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:01:01pm |
Law, get in front of this boulder and start running!
3 | Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:08:15pm |
Demonstrators disrupting Obama’s speech - yelling “Stop the pipeline!”
Obama: “That’s the wrong rally! This is the health care rally.”
4 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:09:02pm |
“We had the climate change rally back in the summer. This is the health care rally.” Pres Obama, after protesters tried to disrupt his talk.
Everyone was pretty much smiling about it, following his cheerful lead.
5 | Bulworth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:11:23pm |
6 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:11:41pm |
That was awesome LOL
7 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:14:48pm |
I guess I’m simply growing tired of the ongoing hypocrisy of the GOP, it would be different if they had what I could recognize as values or ethics….
unless you could call greed, ignorance and spitefulness some sort of framework to build your life around.
8 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:14:58pm |
I haven’t even heard the speech yet but my Tweetdeck is full of Teh Derp.
9 | darthstar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:15:00pm |
This guy could use some affordable health care about now (warning - put down the meatball sub until you’ve finished watching)
10 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:15:03pm |
We have a confused hatchling:
11 | darthstar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:18:55pm |
POTUS: “Gov. Steve Beshear is working like the devil to make sure people get health insurance and keep in mind I did not win Kentucky!”— Nerdy Wonka (@NerdyWonka) October 30, 2013
12 | darthstar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:19:59pm |
@allanbrauer I'm waiting for @chucktodd's rebuttal.— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 30, 2013
15 | darthstar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:23:34pm |
re: #13 Bubblehead II
Was that pipeline heckler again?
Someone needs to shove a pipeline down his pie hole…sideways.
16 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:25:27pm |
Calling out the Repugs lies about people being dropped and not being offered better packages.
17 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:28:08pm |
re: #9 darthstar
This guy could use some affordable health care about now (warning - put down the meatball sub until you’ve finished watching)
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Oh, for chrissakes, DS, I just got through eating spaghetti and turkey meatballs (very early supper/late, late lunch tonight). Good thing I have a stomach of iron.
Put a better warning on that one, please?
18 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:28:11pm |
oooh, he mentions Medicare Part D not being paid for!
19 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:29:08pm |
I really wish he would name Governors who are obstructing the implementation of the ACA. I’m looking at you Gov. Perry.
20 | makeitstop Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:30:13pm |
Is this speech a good thing or a bad thing?
/CNN
21 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:32:30pm |
re: #16 Bubblehead II
Calling out the Repugs lies about people being dropped and not being offered better packages.
the “outrage” over issues with plans being dropped doesn’t seem to have much traction with wingnuts since they don’t really care about what happens to other people
22 | darthstar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:32:56pm |
re: #17 Justanotherhuman
Oh, for chrissakes, DS, I just got through eating spaghetti and turkey meatballs (very early supper/late, late lunch tonight). Good thing I have a stomach of iron.
Put a better warning on that one, please?
I did say to put down the meatballs.
But he’s a perfect example of why healthy young people should get healthcare under the ACA.
23 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:33:51pm |
re: #1 klys
I wonder what government this is that people keep expecting things to roll out and work perfectly the first time with absolutely no kinks, exactly how the politicians say it should.
It’s clearly not the one they keep electing Republicans to.
how many republicans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
one to screw in the bulb and 49 to screw the rest of the world
24 | darthstar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:35:09pm |
BREAKING: U.S. Fiscal Year 2013 budget deficit at $680.3 billion; gap last year was $1.09 trillion— Bloomberg News (@BloombergNews) October 30, 2013
25 | wrenchwench Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:35:11pm |
Did they put pregnant women in the front row on purpose to prove they don’t all faint?
26 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:36:15pm |
re: #23 dog philosopher
how many republicans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
one to screw in the bulb and
49231 to screw the rest of the world
FIFY
27 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:36:33pm |
re: #24 darthstar
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Obviously we need more bloodletting. Bring out the elderly! Bring out your dead!
28 | klys Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:36:34pm |
re: #25 wrenchwench
Did they put pregnant women in the front row on purpose to prove they don’t all faint?
From a perfectly logical space-packing viewpoint, it just makes more sense to have the pregnant women in front.
/too many materials science classes
29 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:37:09pm |
re: #21 dog philosopher
There’s not much outrage when insurers drop and change their coverages with employer-subsidized insurance products - it happens all the time.
The GOP would bitch if insurers were forced to keep these grandfathered plans, claiming that they were substandard if they thought it would give them an advantage.
The insurers are deciding to drop the plans and switch to plans that conform to the ACA requirements, which is a far better insurance product, but the GOP’s got to bitch about that too.
Not because people are getting a product that is far more useful from the insurer, but because they received letters saying that their insurance policies are not being kept going into 2014.
As is no one has ever seen their policies be changed by their employer or the insurance companies based on economic decisions they’ve made.
Cost may be an issue for some people, but I doubt anyone who’s complaining has actually run the numbers to see how they compare in the real world and that these new policies would protect people from economic harms when they suffered illnesses - especially those requiring hospitalization.
30 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:37:11pm |
re: #22 darthstar
I did say to put down the meatballs.
But he’s a perfect example of why healthy young people should get healthcare under the ACA.
Yes, I agree. After I had my kids (he was in the Navy), I had health care coverage which I only used once a year to visit a gyn. I paid only a couple of dollars extra every week for the kids (usually my coverage was paid by employer in full), and they seldom used theirs—we were all very healthy during their growing up period and I didn’t take them to the dr for every sneeze or cough (I was a competent home nurse). I really have never used health care very much, even in my dotage now that I’m on Medicare.
31 | darthstar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:38:44pm |
Ak-barista. pic.twitter.com/Q2pfHoiA6X— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) October 30, 2013
32 | Bulworth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:38:48pm |
re: #24 darthstar
outofcontrol spending debt deficit argle bargle
33 | GlutenFreeJesus Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:40:41pm |
34 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:41:16pm |
re: #29 lawhawk
if they’re not careful, they might discover that american health care and health insurance is more expensive than it is in the rest of the world
35 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:41:25pm |
Pawlenty on Martin Bashir is saying that it’s reasonable for people to be upset to pay more for coverage if they don’t smoke or need mental health care.
What. An. Idiot.
36 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:42:03pm |
re: #29 lawhawk
The much ballyhooed report that showed the President “lied” pretty much lays it all out, that the private insurance market is subject to constant change, whether it be lowering level of care, raising deductibles, imposing lifetime caps, or so forth. The 40-67% are those people who, in the absence of the ACA, would likely would have seen some alteration to their insurance policies in the coming year.
The whole regulation was meant to avoid insurance companies making up losses by gouging the fuck out of people they already have policies with, but it’s being portrayed as people losing policies they were “happy” with.
37 | Bulworth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:42:09pm |
Social Security benefits will rise only 1.5% next year, one of the smallest increases ever in the program’s annual cost-of-living adjustment.The increase is down from the 1.7% increase for 2013. There was no cost-of-living increase at all in 2010 and 2011 because prices fell in the wake of the recession. A 3.6% adjustment in 2012 has been the only significant rise in benefits in recent years.
The latest adjustment will add about $19 to monthly checks, taking the average benefit to $1,294.
The small increase is due to the fact that inflation has been low.
Except of course according to the Paulite nutters Amercia is just one step away from Zimbabwe hyperinflation ENDTHEFED and buy gold!!!
38 | ObserverArt Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:42:11pm |
I received “the letter” from my insurance company. My rate for the same package was going to go up 20% this year. So, as I posted a couple weeks ago, I got on the healthcare.gov site and started to look around. I mentioned to everyone here, I was contacted by an insurance assistant here in Ohio that is part of the Health Choice One organization out of Colorado. He is helping me work through this new system and has provided a good service for me. As I said earlier in another thread, I hope to be hooked up tomorrow with a cheaper plan that does have better coverage.
39 | klys Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:42:43pm |
re: #29 lawhawk
We are supposed to be “outraged” that these individuals are “getting screwed” because they don’t get to keep the exact same plan and they already pay more for their health insurance than those of us who get our insurance subsidized by the big employers (I guess that makes us moochers?).
Meanwhile, we are on our third insurance plan in eleven months (thanks employers!). Because I really love the headache of figuring out what’s different about this one and is my doctor still covered and making sure that all the doctors and the pharmacies have the new insurance card and what’s the new copay and…
I know that we’re fortunate to have insurance. I don’t for a minute believe that a) that cost doesn’t come out of the salary and b) that I have any control whatsoever regarding it.
40 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:43:21pm |
re: #28 klys
From a perfectly logical space-packing viewpoint, it just makes more sense to have the pregnant women in front.
/too many materials science classes
Do you then surround them with gravel, then sand, and finally pour a beer on top?*
* - The last proving that there is always space for a beer.
41 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:43:51pm |
re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth
Pawlenty on Martin Bashir is saying that it’s reasonable for people to be upset to pay more for coverage if they don’t smoke or need mental health care.
What. An. Idiot.
Insurers can charge non-smokers up to 1/3 less under ACA. It’s one of the few ‘discriminations’.
42 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:44:42pm |
re: #40 Feline Fearless Leader
Do you then surround them with gravel, then sand, and finally pour a beer on top?*
* - The last proving that there is always space for a beer.
except for the foam, unless you know how to properly pour beer…
43 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:45:09pm |
re: #41 Decatur Deb
Insurers can charge non-smokers up to 1/3 less under ACA. It’s one of the few ‘discriminations’.
Exactly! That’s why I said Pawlenty is an idiot. No freakin’ clue…
44 | Bulworth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:45:58pm |
re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth
And to think we could have had this thoughtful genius as our prez…..
45 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:46:33pm |
re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth
except for the foam, unless you know how to properly pour beer…
Required course for Frat 101.
;p
46 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:46:52pm |
Seriously, if I bought a new car, but the following year the company holding the loan came by and yanked the radio out, drained the oil, and slashed the tires, is it still the “same” car?
47 | Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:47:29pm |
Breaking: Tim Pawlenty is still an idiot.— Snarls Pondscum (@Green_Footballs) October 30, 2013
48 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:47:33pm |
re: #46 Targetpractice
Seriously, if I bought a new car, but the following year the company holding the loan came by and yanked the radio out, drained the oil, and slashed the tires, is it still the “same” car?
And, at the same time, upped the original purchase price.
49 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:47:49pm |
50 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:48:49pm |
re: #39 klys
We are supposed to be “outraged” that these individuals are “getting screwed” because they don’t get to keep the exact same plan and they already pay more for their health insurance than those of us who get our insurance subsidized by the big employers (I guess that makes us moochers?).
Meanwhile, we are on our third insurance plan in eleven months (thanks employers!). Because I really love the headache of figuring out what’s different about this one and is my doctor still covered and making sure that all the doctors and the pharmacies have the new insurance card and what’s the new copay and…
I know that we’re fortunate to have insurance. I don’t for a minute believe that a) that cost doesn’t come out of the salary and b) that I have any control whatsoever regarding it.
i have exactly one choice for a health insurance plan through my employer which involves a $2000 “deductible” - it seems to cost me roughly $100/m out of my paycheck
i can also get a non-company plan w about the same terms for about $300/m - and i have to guess any other relatively healthy person in their 50s here in CA would be eligible for the same plan
51 | erik_t Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:48:55pm |
re: #47 Charles Johnson
Not only an idiot, but duller than dishwater.
How anyone around him ever kept from laughing in the face of his presidential ambitions is well beyond me.
52 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:49:15pm |
53 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:49:55pm |
re: #52 Kragar
Hagee: ‘If Man Says Something That Is Contradictory to What God Says, Man Is Lying’
I always lie. I’m telling the truth.
54 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:51:20pm |
re: #52 Kragar
Hagee: ‘If Man Says Something That Is Contradictory to What God Says, Man Is Lying’
Arguably God has never said anything. So is Hagee saying anything about God therefore a lie?
/
55 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:51:24pm |
re: #52 Kragar
Hagee: ‘If Man Says Something That Is Contradictory to What God Says, Man Is Lying’
Quetzalcoatl tells me Hagee is lying. And he’d look good on an altar with the Jaguar priests.
56 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:51:39pm |
re: #41 Decatur Deb
Insurers can charge non-smokers up to 1/3 less under ACA. It’s one of the few ‘discriminations’.
And as a smoker I’m perfectly fine with that. Smoking does have health risks and health insurance should charge those who engage in unhealthy habits more. That being said, do they also charge those engaged in other risky behaviors more? You know like sky diving, Base Jumping, ect. Because I’ve never seen that question being asked when I fill out my yearly (company provided) Insurance form.
57 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:52:15pm |
re: #22 darthstar
I did say to put down the meatballs.
But he’s a perfect example of why healthy young people should get healthcare under the ACA.
Don’t be silly! Young people are invulnerable and know everything about evaluating and appropriately determining risk!
//
58 | klys Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:52:27pm |
re: #50 dog philosopher
i have exactly one choice for a health insurance plan through my employer which involves a $2000 “deductible” - it seems to cost me roughly $100/m out of my paycheck
i can also get a non-company plan w about the same terms for about $300/m - and i have to guess any other relatively healthy person in their 50s here in CA would be eligible for the same plan
Having just dealt with open enrollment for the year, the health insurance offered by the company works out to $400 every two weeks. Fortunately the company provides a benefit equal to that amount, so we are lucky in that our out-of-pocket cost is limited to the copays, etc.
But that $400 is coming from somewhere and it’s not the goodness of the company’s heart.
I’m not sure what it would cost to match the plan on the open market, but I do know this plan will probably be going the way of the dodo is another year or two as it is classified as a “Cadillac” plan.
59 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:52:44pm |
re: #9 darthstar
This guy could use some affordable health care about now (warning - put down the meatball sub until you’ve finished watching)
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WTF!
I could not watch that. What was the point, is this guy a hiker who fell and is waiting for the medics to airlift him out of the wilderness? Or just a homeless guy whose leg is going to become gangrenous and then he will die.
60 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:53:26pm |
re: #56 Bubblehead II
And as a smoker I’m perfectly fine with that. Smoking does have health risks and health insurance should charge those who engage in unhealthy habits more. That being said, do they also charge those engaged in other risky behaviors more? You know like sky diving, Base Jumping, ect. Because I’ve never seen that question being asked when I fill out my yearly (company provided) Insurance form.
How about holding a motorcycle license?
61 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:53:39pm |
re: #56 Bubblehead II
And as a smoker I’m perfectly fine with that. Smoking does have health risks and health insurance should charge those who engage in unhealthy habits more. That being said, do they also charge those engaged in other risky behaviors more? You know like sky diving, Base Jumping, ect. Because I’ve never seen that question being asked when I fill out my yearly (company provided) Insurance form.
I’d like to see a similar discrimination for alcoholics.
But I may be biased because my oldest step-son needs a liver transplant due to a congenital-related problem rather than alcohol-related.
62 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:53:43pm |
“GOD SAID TO DO THIS!”
“Really, where was I when that happened?”
“You were asleep and he didn’t want to wake you. He told me to tell you when you woke up.”
63 | leftynyc Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:54:09pm |
re: #56 Bubblehead II
And as a smoker I’m perfectly fine with that. Smoking does have health risks and health insurance should charge those who engage in unhealthy habits more. That being said, do they also charge those engaged in other risky behaviors more? You know like sky diving, Base Jumping, ect. Because I’ve never seen that question being asked when I fill out my yearly (company provided) Insurance form.
I pay an extra $100/month for my employer based health care for being a smoker. I also wonder how other unhealthy behavior seems to go beneath the radar (like drinking which I do not do).
64 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:54:18pm |
re: #56 Bubblehead II
And as a smoker I’m perfectly fine with that. Smoking does have health risks and health insurance should charge those who engage in unhealthy habits more. That being said, do they also charge those engaged in other risky behaviors more? You know like sky diving, Base Jumping, ect. Because I’ve never seen that question being asked when I fill out my yearly (company provided) Insurance form.
They’d love to, but it’s very hard to manage small populations.
(Skydiving is ridiculously safe—consistently around 16 fatals per year. We used to say the most dangerous part of our day was driving to the drop zone, and the Ft Knox club proved it more than once.)
65 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:54:26pm |
re: #52 Kragar
Hagee: ‘If Man Says Something That Is Contradictory to What God Says, Man Is Lying’
then stop telling me i “don’t understand” what jesus is saying in the gospels when he calls for charity and compassion
66 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:55:32pm |
re: #64 Decatur Deb
They’d love to, but it’s very hard to manage small populations.
(Skydiving is ridiculously safe—consistently around 16 fatals per year. We used to say the most dangerous part of our day was driving to the drop zone, and the Ft Knox club proved it more than once.)
Interactions with large tracked US Army vehicles?
67 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:56:12pm |
re: #62 Kragar
“GOD SAID TO DO THIS!”
“Really, where was I when that happened?”
“You were asleep and he didn’t want to wake you. He told me to tell you when you woke up.”
“Hear me! Oh, Hear me! All pay heed! The Lord, the Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen *crash*…Oy! ten, ten commandments for all to obey!”
68 | Eclectic Cyborg Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:57:28pm |
re: #56 Bubblehead II
And as a smoker I’m perfectly fine with that. Smoking does have health risks and health insurance should charge those who engage in unhealthy habits more. That being said, do they also charge those engaged in other risky behaviors more? You know like sky diving, Base Jumping, ect. Because I’ve never seen that question being asked when I fill out my yearly (company provided) Insurance form.
I guess they weren’t really thinking about the millionaire, spelunking, BASE jumping crowd.
/
69 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:57:45pm |
re: #60 Feline Fearless Leader
How about holding a motorcycle license?
Can’t speak for other states, but in Kentucky you are required to have health insurance (in addition to vehicle insurance) if you want to ride without a helmet.
Fortunately, MrB_S always wears a helmet, but still has both insurances.
OTOH, I know a lot of motorcycle peeps and I also know more people seriously injured or killed while in a car/truck than have been killed/seriously injured on a motorcycle.
70 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:57:48pm |
re: #62 Kragar
“GOD SAID TO DO THIS!”
“Really, where was I when that happened?”
“You were asleep and he didn’t want to wake you. He told me to tell you when you woke up.”
“I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further.”
71 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:59:06pm |
re: #68 Eclectic Cyborg
I guess they weren’t really thinking about the millionaire, spelunking, BASE jumping crowd.
/
I would suspect that the small print has some conditions regarding voluntary high-risk activities.
72 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:59:09pm |
re: #66 Feline Fearless Leader
Interactions with large tracked US Army vehicles?
interactions between car-borne members and motorcycling members who had to pull up between the cars so we could pass them their beers.
(This was a long time ago. We are all much smartermore geriatric now.)
73 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 1:59:31pm |
re: #60 Feline Fearless Leader
How about holding a motorcycle license?
That too. I ride a small electric scooter (no license/registration/insurance) and take very seriously the chance of getting hit because someone “didn’t see me”.
74 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:01:03pm |
If President Obama had landed on a flight deck with a website that said “The Website Is Working,” Republicans would be more understanding.— HELL-OL GOP (@LOLGOP) October 30, 2013
75 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:02:01pm |
re: #72 Decatur Deb
interactions between car-borne members and motorcycling members who had to pull up between the cars so we could pass them their beers.
(This was a long time ago. We are all much
smartermore geriatric now.)
Oh, *that* kind of stupidity. I just figured since you specifically mentioned Fort Knox and knowing that the Armor School used to be there and the preference for sky-divers to land in large open areas it might have been a factor.
Plus I recall seeing signs while crossing the Salisbury Plain on a bus that were something like ‘Watch for Crossing Tanks’ in much the same way as US highways have deer crossing signs.
76 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:03:31pm |
You could actuaralize the system into smaller and smaller compartments to make it ‘fair’, but you’re stuck with the fact that a large percentage of the costs come from things which are largely luck. You don’t choose your parents.
77 | Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:04:21pm |
In 1908, Halloween was a real freaking nightmare RT @HistoricalPics pic.twitter.com/RNhxj5LZLJ— Snarls Pondscum (@Green_Footballs) October 30, 2013
78 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:04:22pm |
re: #73 Bubblehead II
That too. I ride a small electric scooter (no license/registration/insurance) and take very seriously the chance of getting hit because someone “didn’t see me”.
That solution was discussed with my niece (and her father) at college since she volunteers at an aquarium about 12 miles south of campus. We collectively pretty much nixed the idea since the road does not have good shoulders and it developed heavily enough (strip malls) that the idiot driver quotient would be too high to be worth the risk. And a bicycle or campus bus is good enough for getting around on campus.
79 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:04:55pm |
re: #75 Feline Fearless Leader
Oh, *that* kind of stupidity. I just figured since you specifically mentioned Fort Knox and knowing that the Armor School used to be there and the preference for sky-divers to land in large open areas it might have been a factor.
Plus I recall seeing signs while crossing the Salisbury Plain on a bus that were something like ‘Watch for Crossing Tanks’ in much the same way as US highways have deer crossing signs.
Do the tanks freeze when headlights hit them, then leap out in front of you?
80 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:05:13pm |
re: #75 Feline Fearless Leader
Oh, *that* kind of stupidity. I just figured since you specifically mentioned Fort Knox and knowing that the Armor School used to be there and the preference for sky-divers to land in large open areas it might have been a factor.
Plus I recall seeing signs while crossing the Salisbury Plain on a bus that were something like ‘Watch for Crossing Tanks’ in much the same way as US highways have deer crossing signs.
The tanks got to us indirectly. Many of our on-post drop zones were criss-crossed with great dried tracks—great ankle breakers. We did most of our jumping at a funky little airport at Campbellsville—thus the driving.
81 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:05:34pm |
re: #79 GeneJockey
Do the tanks freeze when headlights hit them, then leap out in front of you?
With a Canal Defense Light, possibly.
82 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:05:55pm |
re: #77 Charles Johnson
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VB had that in the last thread.
I figured out that the giant puppet heads gave it away as an anti-NSA rally…
83 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:06:29pm |
re: #81 Feline Fearless Leader
With a Canal Defense Light, possibly.
I gather that’s one of those that, when you switch it on, all the other lights dim like when Lepke got The Chair?
//
84 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:08:08pm |
re: #83 GeneJockey
I gather that’s one of those that, when you switch it on, all the other lights dim like when Lepke got The Chair?
//
WW2 secret weapon idea of the semi-warped variety.
85 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:09:19pm |
re: #84 Feline Fearless Leader
WW2 secret weapon idea of the semi-warped variety.
I think you pretty much described every secret weapon of WW2.
86 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:10:57pm |
re: #85 Targetpractice
I think you pretty much described >every secret weapon of WW2.
Some definitely more warped than others. Bat bombs, guided bombs using cats or pigeons, etc. as compared to tech stuff like this that simply had limited application.
And the sort-of aerial equivalent to the CDL, the Leigh Light, actually made good sense, was developed, and then used in the Battle of the Atlantic. Made good sense as part of night attacks on U-boats detected by radar.
87 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:11:08pm |
re: #84 Feline Fearless Leader
WW2 secret weapon idea of the semi-warped variety.
The xenon searchlight of the M-60 era was eye hazardous out to a good distance:
88 | thedopefishlives Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:11:54pm |
Evening Lizardim from the foggy wild north country. How go things in the war on derp?
89 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:13:07pm |
re: #85 Targetpractice
I think you pretty much described >every secret weapon of WW2.
There was one system designed which had an entire plane covered with a grid of flood lamps. During daylight operations, it made them almost impossible to see over the North Atlantic. They were used for spotting German UBoats.
90 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:14:06pm |
re: #86 Feline Fearless Leader
Some definitely more warped than others. Bat bombs, guided bombs using cats or pigeons, etc. as compared to tech stuff like this that simply had limited application.
Think the difference ultimately comes down to which ones worked and which didn’t. The idea of floating tanks onto Omaha beach was considered pretty warped, but those that managed to make it did provide much needed fire support.
91 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:15:00pm |
re: #89 Kragar
There was one system designed which had an entire plane covered with a grid of flood lamps. During daylight operations, it made them almost impossible to see over the North Atlantic. They were used for spotting German UBoats.
Sounds like a description of the Leigh Light system.
92 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:15:01pm |
re: #90 Targetpractice
Think the difference ultimately comes down to which ones worked and which didn’t. The idea of floating tanks onto Omaha beach was considered pretty warped, but those that managed to make it did provide much needed fire support.
If its stupid, but it works, its not stupid.
93 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:16:10pm |
re: #87 Decatur Deb
The xenon searchlight of the M-60 era was eye hazardous out to a good distance:
The IR searchlights were fun in winter though. Warmed things up :0
94 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:16:30pm |
re: #91 Feline Fearless Leader
Sounds like a description of the Leigh Light system.
I think it was designed in response to the change in German tactics. It was easier to see the planes in the daylight, so they came up with the system to hide the planes.
95 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:16:34pm |
re: #92 Kragar
If its stupid, but it works, its not stupid.
I’m pretty sure that they’ve got that on a brass plate mounted somewhere in the Pentagon.
96 | thedopefishlives Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:17:21pm |
re: #95 Targetpractice
I’m pretty sure that they’ve got that on a brass plate mounted somewhere in the Pentagon.
The history of military R&D is littered with “What the F—- were you guys thinking?” moments and ideas.
97 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:19:16pm |
re: #96 thedopefishlives
The history of military R&D is littered with “What the F—- were you guys thinking?” moments and ideas.
“What, sir, would you make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck? I pray you excuse me, I have no time to listen to such nonsense.”
98 | ObserverArt Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:20:13pm |
re: #28 klys
From a perfectly logical space-packing viewpoint, it just makes more sense to have the pregnant women in front.
/too many materials science classes
I had some package design classes at Art College.
99 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:20:27pm |
Look. I’m a busy American. When I’m not dropping my 2.5 children off at soccer practice or fido of at doggy daycare, I’m at Starbucks trading stocks on my laptop while I enjoy a pumpkin spiced chai. I don’t have time for all the “mumbo jumbo”. Just tell me Blitzie, good or bad mmmkk?
100 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:21:33pm |
For anyone interested in a good movie about the design and implementation of odd weapon designs, check out “The Dam Busters”.
In the early years of the Second World War, aeronautical engineer Barnes Wallis is struggling to develop a means of attacking Germany’s dams in the hope of crippling German heavy industry. Working for the Ministry of Aircraft Production, as well as doing his own job at Vickers, he works feverishly to make practical his theory of a bouncing bomb which would skip over the water to avoid protective torpedo nets. When it came into contact with the dam, it would sink before exploding, making it much more destructive. Wallis calculates that the aircraft will have to fly extremely low (150 feet (46 m)) to enable the bombs to skip over the water correctly, but when he takes his conclusions to the Ministry, he is told that lack of production capacity means they cannot go ahead with his proposals.
Angry and frustrated, Wallis secures an interview with Sir Arthur “Bomber” Harris (played by Basil Sydney), the head of RAF Bomber Command, who at first is reluctant to take the idea seriously. Eventually, however, he is convinced and takes the idea to the Prime Minister, who authorises the project.
Bomber Command forms a special squadron of Lancaster bombers, 617 Squadron, to be commanded by Wing Commander Guy Gibson, and tasked to fly the mission. He recruits experienced crews, especially those with low-altitude flight experience. While they train for the mission, Wallis continues his development of the bomb but has problems, such as the bomb breaking apart upon hitting the water. This requires the drop altitude to be reduced to 60 feet (18 m). With only a few weeks to go, he succeeds in fixing the problems and the mission can go ahead.
The bombers attack the dams. Several Lancasters and their crews are lost, but the overall mission succeeds and two dams are breached
To reach their targets, the bombers were forced to fly at extremely low altitudes. At least one bomber was lost due to waves hitting it while crossing the North Sea.
101 | elizajane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:22:20pm |
Pelosi spox @drew_hammill on Rs skipping Ocare briefing: “Fortunately, extreme bouts of self-righteous indignation are covered by Ocare.”
— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 30, 2013
102 | Petero1818 Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:22:44pm |
re: #56 Bubblehead II
And as a smoker I’m perfectly fine with that. Smoking does have health risks and health insurance should charge those who engage in unhealthy habits more. That being said, do they also charge those engaged in other risky behaviors more? You know like sky diving, Base Jumping, ect. Because I’ve never seen that question being asked when I fill out my yearly (company provided) Insurance form.
I have seen it in life insurance applications, but as I live in Canada not health insurance ones. I am not sure sky diving and base jumping are terribly relevant to health insurance as opposed to life insurance as accidents in those risky activities most often result in very little health care costs. Mostly just funeral costs and life insurance.
103 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:23:51pm |
The most effective weapon I’ve seen unleashed recently is “please proceed”. No shortage of dummies putting their foot in their mouth.
104 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:24:46pm |
re: #96 thedopefishlives
The history of military R&D is littered with “What the F—- were you guys thinking?” moments and ideas.
Operation Turkey Buzzard. Towing jeeps and stuff 3,200 miles in wood/canvas gliders.
105 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:26:18pm |
Forget skydiving, running causes a shit ton of injuries. Lots of physical therapy going on out there. Very expensive.
106 | erik_t Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:27:34pm |
re: #105 Amory Blaine
Forget skydiving, running causes a shit ton of injuries. Lots of physical therapy going on out there. Very expensive.
It does, but I bet the net health care cost of running is a very large negative number.
107 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:28:35pm |
re: #105 Amory Blaine
Forget skydiving, running causes a shit ton of injuries. Lots of physical therapy going on out there. Very expensive.
I recommend avoid physical activity of any kind. Too dangerous.
/
108 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:28:58pm |
re: #105 Amory Blaine
Forget skydiving, running causes a shit ton of injuries. Lots of physical therapy going on out there. Very expensive.
Yup, but not much will beat alcohol, overweight, or smoking for the big dollars. Maybe alcohol, smoking and overweight for the win.
109 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:29:03pm |
re: #107 Kragar
I recommend avoid physical activity of any kind. Too dangerous.
/
Creed I live by.
//
111 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:32:23pm |
Off to ‘carve’ a pumpkin. Involves an electric drill and several sizes of hole saw.
112 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:33:31pm |
113 | dell*nix Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:34:03pm |
re: #64 Decatur Deb
And then it seems to be a large amount of aircraft failure involved. I started in 1976 and have a total of 322 jumps on assorted gear.
114 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:34:45pm |
116 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:35:57pm |
Every time I hear the phrase “in real time” I want to punch myself in the face.
117 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:35:59pm |
re: #113 dell*nix
And then it seems to be a large amount of aircraft failure involved. I started in 1976 and have a total of 322 jumps on assorted gear.
Started in ‘66. Still have a Paracommander in the storage room “in case”.
118 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:36:20pm |
@TheBrodyFile Yeah, once the Tea party take the lead in the polls, I don't think they're going to give it up.— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 30, 2013
119 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:36:25pm |
So this just came up on FB from an acquaintance in W Va:
120 | wrenchwench Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:38:48pm |
re: #116 Amory Blaine
Every time I hear the phrase “in real time” I want to punch myself in the face.
Dammit. Now every time I hear it, I’m going to want to punch you in the face too.
121 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:39:42pm |
re: #120 wrenchwench
Dammit. Now every time I hear it, I’m going to want to punch you in the face too.
I’d like to see that, in real time.
123 | jaunte Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:40:18pm |
re: #116 Amory Blaine
“At the end of the day” you’ll be sore.
124 | Bulworth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:40:31pm |
re: #114 Targetpractice
America doesn’t even exist anymore. //
125 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:41:16pm |
re: #67 Targetpractice
“Hear me! Oh, Hear me! All pay heed! The Lord, the Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen *crash*…Oy! ten, ten commandments for all to obey!”
This reminds me of the oldie:
I don’t care what your counsel has advised, these are NOT the ‘10 recommendations’
126 | Bulworth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:41:39pm |
re: #101 elizajane
Pelosi: Ass-kicking is my business, and business is GOOD.
127 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:42:55pm |
128 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:43:39pm |
129 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:44:05pm |
re: #125 EPR-radar
This reminds me of the oldie:
“In the future, please remember the mother of our savior was the Blessed Virgin Mary, not Holy Mary with the cherry.”
130 | makeitstop Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:44:49pm |
re: #119 Sol Berdinowitz
So this just came up on FB from an acquaintance in W Va:
Man, they’re getting desperate out there in Wingnutville.
132 | Rev_Arthur_Belling Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:45:19pm |
Anecdata:
I used to work at a small college where they had no bargaining power with insurance companies. Everyone who could be was on their spouse’s insurance for a larger employer, and - as was explained to me - the college “pool” was so small that one employee with a cancer treatment would blow premiums through the roof. Although I took the job for a bump in pay, the insurance premiums ate up the entirety of my raise, so I was basically making what I had made at another college that had better benefits, but less pay (and batshit admins, but that’s another story).
I would have *loved* to have had Obamacare back then. I might not have left that college for another state institution.
133 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:45:27pm |
re: #114 Targetpractice
Wait, how can this be? Shouldn’t we be in an economic tailspin because of the ACA?
we’ve gone past several 6 month periods in which we were certain to see massive inflation leading the dollar to lose value weimar style, causing roving bands of welfare-deprived minorities to attack the suburbs
oh did i mention “buy gold”?
134 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:45:29pm |
re: #130 makeitstop
Man, they’re getting desperate out there in Wingnutville.
They keep throwing shit against the wall and none of it is sticking.
135 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:46:23pm |
re: #131 jaunte
It’s a good thing, AND a bad thing.
“Okay, Nancy - What’s the bird’s eye lowdown on this caper, whatever that means?”
136 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:47:32pm |
re: #134 Targetpractice
They keep throwing shit against the wall and none of it is sticking.
Playing with ca-ca is literally as close as this GOP can get to dealing with policy issues.
137 | dell*nix Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:49:10pm |
re: #117 Decatur Deb
Still have an RWPC, a Strato Star and a 105 sq ft ram air, also just in case. The large ram air is my best bet as I am too heavy for the Strato Star.(Whaoo. turkey. WHAOO!!!)
138 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:50:11pm |
re: #119 Sol Berdinowitz
So this just came up on FB from an acquaintance in W Va:
Pfft. These things happen when you have to write 500 milion lines of code.
139 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:50:40pm |
re: #133 dog philosopher
we’ve gone past several 6 month periods in which we were certain to see massive inflation leading the dollar to lose value weimar style, causing roving bands of welfare-deprived minorities to attack the suburbs
oh did i mention “buy gold”?
Hell, I had a wingnut assure me for the better part of two years that the Euro Zone was gonna implode just before last November, cratering the global economy and destroying Obama’s chance for reelection.
He’s gone back to his old standby, the impending Chinese implosion that still hasn’t happened.
140 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:50:44pm |
re: #119 Sol Berdinowitz
So this just came up on FB from an acquaintance in W Va:
the same site has an ad shouting
“Obama’s Twisted Double Life Exposed!!!
click to watch shocking video!!!”
141 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:50:57pm |
re: #102 Petero1818
I have seen it in life insurance applications, but as I live in Canada not health insurance ones. I am not sure sky diving and base jumping are terribly relevant to health insurance as opposed to life insurance as accidents in those risky activities most often result in very little health care costs. Mostly just funeral costs and life insurance.
Most of these people have live. Someone has to pay for their medical expenses.
BTW, Twin Falls, Idaho is one of the few places in the U.S. you can legally jump off of a bridge.
142 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:51:32pm |
re: #139 Targetpractice
Hell, I had a wingnut assure me for the better part of two years that the Euro Zone was gonna implode just before last November, cratering the global economy and destroying Obama’s chance for reelection.
He’s gone back to his old standby, the impending Chinese implosion that still hasn’t happened.
has he used the phrase “unfunded liabilities” by any chance?
143 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:52:34pm |
re: #140 dog philosopher
the same site has an ad shouting
“Obama’s Twisted Double Life Exposed!!!
click to watch shocking video!!!”
So we can be confident this is false? Fake images of the code?
144 | erik_t Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:52:43pm |
re: #141 Bubblehead II
Most of these people have live. Someone has to pay for their medical expenses.
BTW, Twin Falls, Idaho is one of the few places in the U.S. you can legally jump off of a bridge.
Ever been to Twin Falls? There’s a reason for that.
/
145 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:52:48pm |
re: #142 dog philosopher
has he used the phrase “unfunded liabilities” by any chance?
Constantly. Of course, he’s sure that the coming Economic Armageddon will spare red states, because lower taxes, “business friendly” environments, and so forth.
Did I mention he’s charging for economic advice on his blog?
146 | wrenchwench Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:53:02pm |
re: #141 Bubblehead II
BTW, Twin Falls, Idaho is one of the few places in the U.S. you can legally jump off of a bridge.
In keeping with the name, does it have to be done two at a time?
147 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:56:59pm |
re: #143 Political Atheist
So we can be confident this is false? Fake images of the code?
probably the code thing is real - it’s not unreasonable to think that the copyright notice was not properly included in the code - but the violation is hardly a significant issue
148 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:57:51pm |
re: #144 erik_t
Ever been to Twin Falls? There’s a reason for that.
/
Why yes, I have. Probably because I live here. :-)
149 | makeitstop Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:58:21pm |
re: #147 dog philosopher
probably the code thing is real - it’s not unreasonable to think that the copyright notice was not properly included in the code - but the violation is hardly a significant issue
Yeah, I’m thinking that the ‘taking action’ the story refers to would be the company getting in touch with HHS and asking them to insert the copyright code.
150 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:58:49pm |
Anyone you know have Google Glass? Looks like a lady got a ticket for driving with one on. Kinda interesting “law meet technology invented long after you were passed” issue.
If she was watching YouTube, righteous violation. But if she was using a nav feature, not illegal. Hmmm. I have wondered about that with my cell phone using Waze. But with Glass, no need to look away from the road. Glass would be an awesome safety addition if the right apps and sensors were hooked up. Heads up disply-speed, nav, traffic warnings. Even the monitor for a camera designed to see much further in fog, rain or at night.
Or we will have some fool watching porn and running off the road into nearby houses.
151 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:59:17pm |
re: #148 Bubblehead II
that is a very cool canyon just to the North of town, just saying, very picturesque.
152 | dell*nix Wed, Oct 30, 2013 2:59:55pm |
flickr.com Surplus gear with a KAP-3 auto opener on the reserve.
flickr.com Modified T-10.
153 | Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:00:16pm |
Oh my, Google Search really doesn't like Glenn Greenwald. pic.twitter.com/XiWaYcHrKt— Ed Bott (@edbott) October 30, 2013
154 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:00:23pm |
re: #150 Political Atheist
Anyone you know have Google Glass? Looks like a lady got a ticket for driving with one on. Kinda interesting “law meet technology invented long after you were passed” issue.
If she was watching YouTube, righteous violation. But if she was using a nav feature, not illegal. Hmmm. I have wondered about that with my cell phone using Waze. But with Glass, no need to look away from the road. Glass would be an awesome safety addition if the right apps and sensors were hooked up. Heads up disply-speed, nav, traffic warnings. Even the monitor for a camera designed to see much further in fog, rain or at night.
Or we will have some fool watching porn and running off the road into nearby houses.
Think I’d rather just find a way to make that stuff part of the standard gear in the car itself, with necessary locks set in to prevent web-surfing while the car’s in motion.
155 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:00:24pm |
Sausage pizza sub, bowl of french onion and a 36 oz chocolate shake. Risky? Yes/No?
156 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:00:27pm |
re: #146 wrenchwench
In keeping with the name, does it have to be done two at a time?
On occasion.
Dorothy Custer, 102-Year-Old Woman, BASE Jumps Off Idaho Bridge To Celebrate Birthday (VIDEO)
157 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:00:47pm |
Cruz to GOP: “Screw you, I got mine” - Won't Help Primary GOP Senators http://t.co/bXyDDgD9ax— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 30, 2013
158 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:01:17pm |
re: #149 makeitstop
It’s illustrative of why it was not running better. lots of little things not tended to.
159 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:02:55pm |
re: #151 piratedan
that is a very cool canyon just to the North of town, just saying, very picturesque.
Yep.
160 | Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:03:12pm |
161 | makeitstop Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:05:08pm |
re: #155 Amory Blaine
Sausage pizza sub, bowl of french onion and a 36 oz chocolate shake.
Risky? Yes/No?Good thing or bad thing?
FTFCNN
162 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:06:12pm |
re: #155 Amory Blaine
Sausage pizza sub, bowl of french onion and a 36 oz chocolate shake. Risky? Yes/No?
Is it a good thing or a bad thing?
/CNN
163 | wrenchwench Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:07:03pm |
The latest photo of the niece.
I didn’t know they do Halloween in Colombia.
164 | Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:07:15pm |
165 | makeitstop Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:08:23pm |
re: #162 Lidane
Is it a good thing or a bad thing?
/CNN
56 seconds (except I screwed up the tags and had to pencil it)
166 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:09:45pm |
re: #145 Targetpractice
Constantly. Of course, he’s sure that the coming Economic Armageddon will spare red states, because lower taxes, “business friendly” environments, and so forth.
Did I mention he’s charging for economic advice on his blog?
“If just 1000 of you send me $1000, I’ll tell you how I made $1 Million!”
167 | thedopefishlives Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:10:40pm |
Okay, what am I missing with this “CNN: Good thing or bad thing?” thing?
168 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:10:45pm |
re: #163 wrenchwench
We are exporting Halloween.
169 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:11:26pm |
“unfunded liabilities”
an “unfunded liability” is an estimate of the shortfall in ability to pay obligations in the future based on current revenue forecasts
what wingnuts fail to notice is this:
1) an unfunded liability estimate needs to be for some period in the future
2) the mega gazillion dollars figures usually cited for the unfunded liabilities of the federal government are for a period of the next 75 years
3) the estimates vary widely depending on whether you ask e.g. the social security trustees or the heritage foundation
but wingnuts mostly ignorantly think the unfunded liability amount is due right now
170 | erik_t Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:12:09pm |
re: #164 Charles Johnson
Daily Kos: Glenn Greenwald Once Again Proves He Is a Hate-Oozing Douche
I realllllly don’t want to look at those comments, do I?
171 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:12:22pm |
re: #132 Rev_Arthur_Belling
Anecdata:
I used to work at a small college where they had no bargaining power with insurance companies. Everyone who could be was on their spouse’s insurance for a larger employer, and - as was explained to me - the college “pool” was so small that one employee with a cancer treatment would blow premiums through the roof. Although I took the job for a bump in pay, the insurance premiums ate up the entirety of my raise, so I was basically making what I had made at another college that had better benefits, but less pay (and batshit admins, but that’s another story).
I would have *loved* to have had Obamacare back then. I might not have left that college for another state institution.
My last “off the farm” job, the insurance premiums were more than what I made. The owner got a discount on his premiums based on how many employees signed up.
Fortunately, at the time (way back in the late 90s) I did have insurance as a surviving spouse of a steel mill retiree, so I declined that particular “benefit” without knowing how outrageous it was.
When the vulture capitalists gutted the pension plan in the early 90s, I found out how the insurance scam worked at my former employment.
I went without health insurance for several years (and almost died in the process) because I had a pre-existing condition that put individual insurance completely out of my financial reach and Medicaid was not an option because I had “assets” (read=a working farm with a land value of serious six figures).
172 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:12:32pm |
Prior to them installing locked gates at each ends of the arch, A friend and I crossed over the river using it. One of the more interesting things I have done.
173 | wrenchwench Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:13:20pm |
re: #168 ProTARDISLiberal
We are exporting Halloween.
Hasn’t reached everywhere yet.
Kids to me: “What are we doing for Halloween tomorrow?” Me: *blank African mama stare*— Ory Okolloh (@kenyanpundit) October 30, 2013
174 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:13:31pm |
175 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:13:31pm |
re: #167 thedopefishlives
Okay, what am I missing with this “CNN: Good thing or bad thing?” thing?
Down Stairs. Jon Stewart rips CNN a new one. Funny.
176 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:14:40pm |
re: #173 wrenchwench
Hasn’t reached everywhere yet.
[Embedded content]
Halloween is turning up here in the Czech Republic. I’ve been told by my neighbor to expect trick or treaters tomorrow night…..just kids from the building here.
177 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:14:46pm |
re: #154 Targetpractice
Maybe so, as in can’t have nice things because some people will just be stupid about it. . But there goes some really innovative options. One reason this got my attention is that I used a digital camera as a safety monitor in the thick central California fog. I could see much further up the road in the monitor. Far enough the 5-10mph we were down to felt safer.
178 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:15:05pm |
re: #169 dog philosopher
“unfunded liabilities”
an “unfunded liability” is an estimate of the shortfall in ability to pay obligations in the future based on current revenue forecasts
what wingnuts fail to notice is this:
1) an unfunded liability estimate needs to be for some period in the future
2) the mega gazillion dollars figures usually cited for the unfunded liabilities of the federal government are for a period of the next 75 years
3) the estimates vary widely depending on whether you ask e.g. the social security trustees or the heritage foundation
but wingnuts mostly ignorantly think the unfunded liability amount is due right now
So basically it’s like looking at your total mortgage payments over the 30 year life of the loan as a single figure and wondering where in hell you’re going to come up with that kind of money.
179 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:15:58pm |
re: #157 Kragar
Report: Cruz Won’t Help Primary GOP Senators
Ted has his 2016 Presidential campaign to think about, does not want to get bogged down in factional party politics
180 | lawhawk Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:16:43pm |
re: #169 dog philosopher
Well, they do the same thing with the national debt and the deficit.
The national debt is the running tally of surplus/debt accrued over the years. It didn’t occur all at once, and no single president or Congress is responsible for all of it.
The deficit is the tally where annual revenues fall short of expenditures.
The annual deficit has shrank faster this year - in part due to the sequester and tax hikes on the rich. That’s on the President and Congress.
Conflate the two and you end up with nutters claiming that Obama’s responsible for the national debt, and simultaneously claim that the GOP is responsible for cutting the spending.
181 | erik_t Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:17:39pm |
re: #179 Sol Berdinowitz
Ted has his 2016 Presidential campaign to think about, does not want to get bogged down in factional party politics
It may just be his FYIGMism.
182 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:21:21pm |
183 | Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:23:04pm |
re: #181 erik_t
It may just be his FYIGMism.
No, he is a man with a political future, he has to take care not to get bogged down in petty intra-party disputes, he will need a lot of support to secure the nomination in 2016, take a lead in the polls and go on to victory with Sarah Palin at his side.
By then ACA will have driven Americans to cannibalism and they will be begging for laxer gun laws so they can defend themselves from the brain-eaters.
/
184 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:27:00pm |
For Halloween, my g-grandson gets to go to the dentist. His teeth look fine, from a visual inspection, so we’ll see.
Life is good. I made a simple but killer marinara sauce for the meatballs, and waiting for g-daughter to pick up the cinnamon raisin bread I made for her. One thing about NC autumn—sometimes, like today, you have to turn the a/c back on for a few hours. Got pretty warm in here—just looked, and it was up to 82 today. By Friday night, we may need heat again.
We don’t do much Halloween around here. Get no trick or treaters at all; we haven’t for years.
185 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:28:07pm |
186 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:29:33pm |
re: #176 Dr Lizardo
Halloween is turning up here in the Czech Republic. I’ve been told by my neighbor to expect trick or treaters tomorrow night…..just kids from the building here.
Oh shit! The Beg-a-thon reaches the Czech Republic! Get the pillow cases out for the Candy Haul!
187 | Political Atheist Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:31:29pm |
NY city just raised the minimum age to buy tobacco to 21.
just for a little fun-
Interesting legal logic. Smoking is bad. The locality has the authority to regulate. So, why not age 42? Or 60? If they can just about ban guns in the city why not cigarettes?
Possession of an empty pack however should not be considered the same as actually possessing cigs. (JK)
188 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:33:14pm |
re: #186 Justanotherhuman
Oh shit! The Beg-a-thon reaches the Czech Republic! Get the pillow cases out for the Candy Haul!
There’s only a dozen little kids in the entire building here, so it’s not that bad. But yeah, Halloween is starting to become a tradition here; I never saw it in 2001, but over the years as I’ve lived here, I see more and more of it every year.
It used to be that only Tesco - a British-based store - sold Halloween decorations; now I see it in Hruška - which is a locally-based grocery store chain.
189 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:36:17pm |
re: #177 Political Atheist
Maybe so, as in can’t have nice things because some people will just be stupid about it. . But there goes some really innovative options. One reason this got my attention is that I used a digital camera as a safety monitor in the thick central California fog. I could see much further up the road in the monitor. Far enough the 5-10mph we were down to felt safer.
I don’t disagree that the technology has a lot of potential, but just as much potential for abuse exists. Which is why the whole idea of “smart” glass in cars seems better introduced slowly, with corresponding restrictions built into the tech to keep people from engaging in hazardous activities while driving.
Then again, at the rate we’re going, we might have cars that drive themselves before we have to worry about people web-surfing on their car’s windshield.
190 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:36:44pm |
re: #188 Dr Lizardo
Interesting to see Halloween as an export. Cultural events are always a bit goofy in terms of that.
But, I shouldn’t talk. Because I am a fan of British Cultural Export with Doctor Who.
191 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:38:09pm |
#TDSBreakingNews Las Vegas launches bid to host 2016 RNC convention. Can what happens in Vegas REALLY stay in Vegas this time?— The Daily Show (@TheDailyShow) October 30, 2013
192 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:39:04pm |
re: #190 ProTARDISLiberal
Interesting to see Halloween as an export. Cultural events are always a bit goofy in terms of that.
But, I shouldn’t talk. Because I am a fan of British Cultural Export with Doctor Who.
Look at anime; 20 years ago, there was only a relatively tiny number of fans - now it’s practically part of mainstream American pop culture.
193 | aagcobb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:40:15pm |
194 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:41:16pm |
re: #193 aagcobb
The bordellos will have lines comparable to DisneyWorld rides.
Well, they are The Happiest Place On Earth!
//
195 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:41:41pm |
We have to remember that this is a poll based on 800 people.
NBC/WSJ poll: Obama approval sinks to new low
Did the pollsters pick out the dumbest people to question?
196 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:42:05pm |
NBC/WSJ: Both GOP and Obama at new lows; Obama at 42%; GOP at 22%: http://t.co/W5Ax2AyapI— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) October 30, 2013
197 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:42:41pm |
Though, to be honest, the idea of standing behind a bunch of Republicans in line at a bordello, waiting for the next available opening, is repellant.
198 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:43:07pm |
re: #192 Dr Lizardo
Look at anime; 20 years ago, there was only a relatively tiny number of fans - now it’s practically part of mainstream American pop culture.
Comes with the growth in availability. 20 years ago, getting an anime meant waiting months or even years for an American company to license the series for release in the US, hire staff to handle the translation and voice work, and then get it on shelves.
199 | jaunte Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:43:15pm |
re: #195 Justanotherhuman
“800 Adults*, including 240 cell phone only respondents”
*willing to give up their time to a poll
200 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:43:39pm |
re: #197 GeneJockey
Though, to be honest, the idea of standing behind a bunch of Republicans in line at a bordello, waiting for the next available opening, is repellant.
The idea of standing in line to actually pay for sex is repellent.
201 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:44:37pm |
The ACA has me nervous here in WI. Walker basically refused setting up the ACA instead relying on the feds. At the same time he’s reforming our medicaid program (Badgercare) by kicking 92,000 mostly low income parents off the rolls while simultaneously adding 80,000 childless adults to Badgercare. All at a cost to the state of 120 million dollars. This is a recipe for total confusion in the state and one which I feel the GOP is ready to exploit. The democratic party is already incredibly weakened here. Walker and the media will be poised to place all their blame on Obama and the democratic party. And as the population here has demonstrated, is quite willing to go the extra mile to kick dirt in the face of progressives.
202 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:45:42pm |
re: #200 Justanotherhuman
The idea of standing in line to actually pay for sex is repellent.
well you can’t expect them to use the ACA website for it can you? ////
203 | aagcobb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:45:44pm |
re: #195 Justanotherhuman
We have to remember that this is a poll based on 800 people.
NBC/WSJ poll: Obama approval sinks to new low
Did the pollsters pick out the dumbest people to question?
Just one poll doesn’t mean much; you get a more accurate assessment from the RCP polling average. And with the news not being real good lately, it wouldn’t really be very surprising to see his approval rating sinking.
204 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:45:51pm |
re: #178 GeneJockey
So basically it’s like looking at your total mortgage payments over the 30 year life of the loan as a single figure and wondering where in hell you’re going to come up with that kind of money.
rezackly
205 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:47:16pm |
re: #203 aagcobb
Just one poll doesn’t mean much; you get a more accurate assessment from the RCP polling average. And with the news not being real good lately, it wouldn’t really be very surprising to see his approval rating sinking.
I suspect it’s just general disgust with The System. I’d be more concerned if the GOP were RISING while Obama is sinking.
206 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:48:24pm |
re: #192 Dr Lizardo
American Anime Fans have some bad taste though.
How do you explain the popularity of Dragonball and Sailor Moon when better mangas/animes like Rurouni Kenshin and Fruits Basket exist? Though, with Sailor Moon, why men like it is usually creepy.
Granted, there is some stuff I think I should see, like Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, and maybe FLCL.
Yes, those are two weird things to like. But it is for roughly the same reason I am a fan of Bon Jovi, Nightwish, and Taylor Swift. And why I adore Doctor Who. Because Doctor Who appeals to both sides of that.
207 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:48:57pm |
re: #180 lawhawk
Well, they do the same thing with the national debt and the deficit.
The national debt is the running tally of surplus/debt accrued over the years. It didn’t occur all at once, and no single president or Congress is responsible for all of it.
The deficit is the tally where annual revenues fall short of expenditures.
The annual deficit has shrank faster this year - in part due to the sequester and tax hikes on the rich. That’s on the President and Congress.
Conflate the two and you end up with nutters claiming that Obama’s responsible for the national debt, and simultaneously claim that the GOP is responsible for cutting the spending.
not only that, but the total amount of the debt has never been paid down - it just seems to grow, decade by decade - yet, somehow the wingnuts think “our children” will be asked to pay it off
208 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:49:48pm |
re: #200 Justanotherhuman
The idea of standing in line to actually pay for sex is repellent.
I agree, it’s much better to sit at the bar and wait your turn.
//////(and here’s one more /)
209 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:50:06pm |
re: #198 Targetpractice
Comes with the growth in availability. 20 years ago, getting an anime meant waiting months or even years for an American company to license the series for release in the US, hire staff to handle the translation and voice work, and then get it on shelves.
Very true; that whole process is much faster now.
I’ve been into anime since the mid-1970s; early exposure to “Star Blazers” (“Space Battleship Yamato”) and “Speed Racer” warped my impressionable mind.
That, and kaiju films.
210 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:50:48pm |
re: #201 Amory Blaine
The Democratic party showed it’s contempt of northern and western Wisconsin by running Tom Barrett twice in a row. About the the only person who could have been worse would have been if Falk had gotten the nomination. You can’t win with only Milwaukee and Madison and you really can’t win by opposing things the majority want.
Want to know what won the recall? Concealed Carry. The percent who think it was a good idea tracks the number who voted for Walker and also provides the increase in votes Walker got over Barrett the first time.
212 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:51:33pm |
re: #206 ProTARDISLiberal
American Anime Fans have some bad taste though.
How do you explain the popularity of Dragonball and Sailor Moon when better mangas/animes like Rurouni Kenshin and Fruits Basket exist? Though, with Sailor Moon, why men like it is usually creepy.
Granted, there is some stuff I think I should see, like Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, and maybe FLCL.
Yes, those are two weird things to like. But it is for roughly the same reason I am a fan of Bon Jovi, Nightwish, and Taylor Swift. And why I adore Doctor Who. Because Doctor Who appeals to both sides of that.
You should see those; “Ghost In The Shell” - the film in particular - is landmark in anime. I would also recommend the films of Hayao Miyazaki and the late Satoshi Kon.
213 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:53:01pm |
re: #204 dog philosopher
Except, after paying on it for 15 years, and not even having enough interest to list as a deduction on your 1040—the standard deduction exceeded it—that mortgage payment starts to look like incidental change. At least, that’s what happened with my first house after 14 yrs, in that I was making a lot more money and didn’t have enough deductions to matter to mitigate my taxes.
So I bought up in another area. The neighborhood was going to hell in a hand-basket anyway.
Now I rent, and let someone else worry about that stuff.
214 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:53:20pm |
The whole debt thing …
Is it wrong to assume that the whole American Exceptional-ism Myth was financed after WWII by public debt?
I feel that we were sold a Ponzi Scheme and the newest generation just keeps buying-in to keep it going.
215 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:53:43pm |
re: #200 Justanotherhuman
The idea of standing in line to actually pay for sex is repellent.
Oh, I dunno. I gotta say the idea of lining up for it is the repellant part for me, but I’ve read enough Science Fiction written by horny middle aged guys who fantasize about the raising of the sex trade to a high art that the idea of paying for sex, as an idea, doesn’t repel me.
216 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:54:14pm |
re: #210 William Barnett-Lewis
Barrett was bad. Know who’s worse? Mary Burke. The democratic machines anointed candidate for governor in 2014. An outsourcing CEO with no love for the working class.
217 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:55:36pm |
re: #206 ProTARDISLiberal
American Anime Fans have some bad taste though.
How do you explain the popularity of Dragonball and Sailor Moon when better mangas/animes like Rurouni Kenshin and Fruits Basket exist? Though, with Sailor Moon, why men like it is usually creepy.
Granted, there is some stuff I think I should see, like Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, and maybe FLCL.
Yes, those are two weird things to like. But it is for roughly the same reason I am a fan of Bon Jovi, Nightwish, and Taylor Swift. And why I adore Doctor Who. Because Doctor Who appeals to both sides of that.
this is the same America where Dancing with the Stars and Breaking Bad co-exist semi-peacefully…. no accounting for taste. It’s a big enough market to allow for each entry to find it’s own niche. Remember, in the US, this stuff was primarily marketed as cartoons as a means to peddle merchandise, that’s changing as well, at least for some of the genre.
218 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:55:55pm |
re: #215 GeneJockey
Oh, I dunno. I gotta say the idea of lining up for it is the repellant part for me, but I’ve read enough Science Fiction written by horny middle aged guys who fantasize about the raising of the sex trade to a high art that the idea of paying for sex, as an idea, doesn’t repel me.
It seems the only we left to pay for all the debt is to promote and tax vice.
After we’ve wasted so much trying to suppress it.
Vice seems to be the only constant and dependable source of revenue the government can depend on. Gambling, tobacco … .
219 | GeneJockey Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:56:02pm |
re: #214 FemNaziBitch
The whole debt thing …
Is it wrong to assume that the whole American Exceptional-ism Myth was financed after WWII by public debt?
I feel that we were sold a Ponzi Scheme and the newest generation just keeps buying-in to keep it going.
Post-1980, yes. Pre-1980, no. Back then it was largely financed by fairly heavy taxes paid by wealthy individual and corporations.
220 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:56:23pm |
re: #219 GeneJockey
Post-1980, yes. Pre-1980, no. Back then it was largely financed by fairly heavy taxes paid by wealthy individual and corporations.
ah!
221 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:56:42pm |
re: #215 GeneJockey
Oh, I dunno. I gotta say the idea of lining up for it is the repellant part for me, but I’ve read enough Science Fiction written by horny middle aged guys who fantasize about the raising of the sex trade to a high art that the idea of paying for sex, as an idea, doesn’t repel me.
Well, I’m a woman. I’d never pay for it. But then, again, I never charged for it, either. : ) I’ve just never seen sex as some kind of “cash transaction”.
222 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:57:52pm |
re: #209 Dr Lizardo
Very true; that whole process is much faster now.
I’ve been into anime since the mid-1970s; early exposure to “Star Blazers” (“Space Battleship Yamato”) and “Speed Racer” warped my impressionable mind.
That, and kaiju films.
I got into anime in the 90s, back when the joke still was “Crack is cheaper.” It was that transition period, when series were beginning to actually show up with subtitles as an option on DVDs and mangas were making that slow transition from comic store novelties to acceptable bookstore fare. People just now getting into anime don’t realize how hard it used to be to get into a new series that was anything less than six months old.
223 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:57:53pm |
Ouch.
Most of the people surveyed in the latest NBC/WSJ poll were white and over the age of 60. A 22% rating for the GOP is a death knell.— The McKenzie Report (@McKenzieReport) October 30, 2013
224 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:58:03pm |
re: #221 Justanotherhuman
Well, I’m a woman. I’d never pay for it. But then, again, I never charged for it, either. : ) I’ve just never seen sex as some kind of “cash transaction”.
You have to remember the old (and not so old) concept of marriage. While it is all wrapped in God and State sanctions, the basic concept is the same.
The idea of marital rape is still difficult to prove in court… . .
225 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:58:15pm |
re: #215 GeneJockey
Oh, I dunno. I gotta say the idea of lining up for it is the repellant part for me, but I’ve read enough Science Fiction written by horny middle aged guys who fantasize about the raising of the sex trade to a high art that the idea of paying for sex, as an idea, doesn’t repel me.
Heinlein was god-awful for that. It got to be totally embarrassing how his settings were so obviously wish fulfillment (i.e., cranky old man gets incredible amount of action from a harem of hotties).
226 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:58:44pm |
re: #225 EPR-radar
Heinlein was god-awful for that. It got to be totally embarrassing how his settings were so obviously wish fulfillment (i.e., cranky old man gets incredible amount of action from a harem of hotties).
He wrote about it, Hugh Heffner lives it.
227 | darthstar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:58:57pm |
Three pale store-bought pumpkin pies and one home made one (mine)…dark, spicy, delicious (if I do so humblebrag)…guess which one got eaten?
228 | darthstar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 3:59:46pm |
HELP! RT @wolfblitzer: A special report on #Obamacare coming up Rep @MicheleBachmann joins me. pic.twitter.com/uF6p3bV3cA””— SportsGirl101 (@Arianna8927) October 30, 2013
229 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:00:06pm |
re: #222 Targetpractice
I got into anime in the 90s, back when the joke still was “Crack is cheaper.” It was that transition period, when series were beginning to actually show up with subtitles as an option on DVDs and mangas were making that slow transition from comic store novelties to acceptable bookstore fare. People just now getting into anime don’t realize how hard it used to be to get into a new series that was anything less than six months old.
That’s the truth. I remember those days quite well.
Anime is starting to catch on here in the Czech Republic - I showed my students “Grave of the Fireflies” one time, and I tell you, when that was done, there wasn’t a dry eye in the class. They were stunned that an animated film could pack that kind of emotional punch.
230 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:00:40pm |
re: #228 darthstar
Because when you want to talk about Obamacare, you want one of the nutjobs that pushed for a government shutdown to force a repeal.
231 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:00:47pm |
re: #212 Dr Lizardo
Cowboy Bebop is first on the list. 2 reasons:
1: It’s in SPACE!! I am a sucker for good outer space stories.
2: It takes place exclusively in the Solar System. This is likely how things will go in the next few centuries. Leaving earth, and going across the planets and moons of the neighborhood.
Hell, a NASA report in 2003 said that a manned mission to Callisto may be possible by the 2040’s.
232 | dog philosopher Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:01:09pm |
re: #214 FemNaziBitch
I feel that we were sold a Ponzi Scheme
not really - in a real ponzi scheme, ‘investors’ are told that their money will be invested for profit, but instead they are lied to and their ‘profits’ come only from newer ‘investors’
social security taxes really are invested in government bonds and turn a profit, and besides, the terms of the scheme are out in the open and on the up and up
in a real investment scheme, it is not impossible or unreasonable that things could get out of balance and not return the hoped for profits or even take a loss
233 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:01:28pm |
Every day Blitzer looks more and more like a muppet.
234 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:01:30pm |
235 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:01:34pm |
re: #216 Amory Blaine
Barrett was bad. Know who’s worse? Mary Burke. The democratic machines anointed candidate for governor in 2014. An outsourcing CEO with no love for the working class.
Yep. When Feingold stood down I knew this generation was fucked. Only question is how much damage they do before he’s out of office in 8 to 12 years.
236 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:01:35pm |
re: #222 Targetpractice
I got into anime in the 90s, back when the joke still was “Crack is cheaper.” It was that transition period, when series were beginning to actually show up with subtitles as an option on DVDs and mangas were making that slow transition from comic store novelties to acceptable bookstore fare. People just now getting into anime don’t realize how hard it used to be to get into a new series that was anything less than six months old.
I plead the fifth on how much I paid for my first anime box set in the late 90s.
237 | Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:01:53pm |
re: #201 Amory Blaine
The ACA has me nervous here in WI. Walker basically refused setting up the ACA instead relying on the feds. At the same time he’s reforming our medicaid program (Badgercare) by kicking 92,000 mostly low income parents off the rolls while simultaneously adding 80,000 childless adults to Badgercare. All at a cost to the state of 120 million dollars. This is a recipe for total confusion in the state and one which I feel the GOP is ready to exploit. The democratic party is already incredibly weakened here. Walker and the media will be poised to place all their blame on Obama and the democratic party. And as the population here has demonstrated, is quite willing to go the extra mile to kick dirt in the face of progressives.
Have they noticed the entire state of Minnesota pointing and laughing yet? Not to mention the people.
238 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:02:13pm |
re: #231 ProTARDISLiberal
Cowboy Bebop is first on the list. 2 reasons:
1: It’s in SPACE!! I am a sucker for good outer space stories.2: It takes place exclusively in the Solar System. This is likely how things will go in the next few centuries. Leaving earth, and going across the planets and moons of the neighborhood.
Hell, a NASA report in 2003 said that a manned mission to Callisto may be possible by the 2040’s.
“Cowboy Bebop” is one of my faves.
If you’ve never seen them, I recommend “Spirited Away” and “Paprika”
239 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:02:39pm |
re: #232 dog philosopher
not really - in a real ponzi scheme, ‘investors’ are told that their money will be invested for profit, but instead they are lied to and their ‘profits’ come only from newer ‘investors’
social security taxes really are invested in government bonds and turn a profit, and besides, the terms of the scheme are out in the open and on the up and up
in a real investment scheme, it is not impossible or unreasonable that things could get out of balance and not return the hoped for profits or even take a loss
Yes, you are correct. I’m being cynical.
240 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:02:54pm |
re: #231 ProTARDISLiberal
I’ve wanted a corgi ever since watching Cowboy Bebop.
241 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:03:19pm |
re: #233 Amory Blaine
Every day Blitzer looks more and more like a muppet.
What do you have against Muppets?
242 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:03:43pm |
re: #238 Dr Lizardo
Saw Spirited Away on Cartoon Network when it (Cartoon Network) was still good. Also saw Laputa: Castle in the Sky.
243 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:04:06pm |
re: #224 FemNaziBitch
You have to remember the old (and not so old) concept of marriage. While it is all wrapped in God and State sanctions, the basic concept is the same.
The idea of marital rape is still difficult to prove in court… . .
Marriage was never a prerequisite for sex from my viewpoint. I never remarried, either. To me, it was just a legal construct. But I never lived with anyone, either. I valued my independence.
244 | Bubblehead II Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:04:34pm |
Night Lizards. May the Diety of you choice smile/scowl down upon you.
Swing Shift, you now have the court. Play nice
Sleep well.
Edited to include this.
245 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:04:38pm |
re: #241 FemNaziBitch
Nothing, but I think Bachmann is operating his mouth with her right hand.
246 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:05:20pm |
re: #217 piratedan
this is the same America where Dancing with the Stars and Breaking Bad co-exist semi-peacefully…. no accounting for taste. It’s a big enough market to allow for each entry to find it’s own niche. Remember, in the US, this stuff was primarily marketed as cartoons as a means to peddle merchandise, that’s changing as well, at least for some of the genre.
I find it very easy to believe that of those two things - equally despicable things - as they appeal to the the same level of fantasy in people who hate their day to day lives in some really deep manner. People want to believe that a few fancy steps can make their lives better and if they can’t, then killing everyone and making money by making poison that destroys the lives of everyone around them is an acceptable option.
I’ve tried to watch both. I really find them both equally offensive and neither has any redeeming virtue. IMO & all that.
247 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:06:26pm |
re: #242 ProTARDISLiberal
So Spirited Away on Cartoon Network when it was still good. Also saw Laputa: Castle in the Sky.
“Spirited Away” is, in my book at least, one of the greatest animated films of all time.
248 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:08:09pm |
re: #228 darthstar
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Just standing there with her makes Blitzer look crazy-eyed, too.
249 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:08:16pm |
re: #222 Targetpractice
I got into anime in the 90s, back when the joke still was “Crack is cheaper.” It was that transition period, when series were beginning to actually show up with subtitles as an option on DVDs and mangas were making that slow transition from comic store novelties to acceptable bookstore fare. People just now getting into anime don’t realize how hard it used to be to get into a new series that was anything less than six months old.
This conversation reminds me of going to Japan in the 80’s. “Grey” was my introduction to manga. Wish someone had done an anime of that one. Made Cowboy Bebop look like all flowers and unicorn rainbow farts :)
250 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:08:56pm |
re: #246 William Barnett-Lewis
I find it very easy to believe that of those two things - equally despicable things - as they appeal to the the same level of fantasy in people who hate their day to day lives in some really deep manner. People want to believe that a few fancy steps can make their lives better and if they can’t, then killing everyone and making money by making poison that destroys the lives of everyone around them is an acceptable option.
I’ve tried to watch both. I really find them both equally offensive and neither has any redeeming virtue. IMO & all that.
same here, never watched either show, but they represent the scale of choices that are out there, as such, I believe that just because I don’t care for something doesn’t mean that someone else couldn’t find some escapist fantasy or pleasure by indulging themselves with it. Just that my tastes are different. I have the choice, I have a clicker and free will, or at least that’s what my wife tells me :-)
251 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:08:57pm |
re: #246 William Barnett-Lewis
Shutting the TV off would have a dramatic effect on the population.
252 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:09:17pm |
re: #247 Dr Lizardo
“Spirited Away” is, in my book at least, one of the greatest animated films of all time.
For starters, it has more imagination in a few minutes than Disney usually has in the whole length of its feature-length films.
253 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:09:32pm |
BREAKING: NY City Council passes new smoking rules, raising minimum age to buy cigarettes to 21. http://t.co/n9HJQQlAgX— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) October 30, 2013
This is just as stupid as having the drinking age at 21. If someone is legally an adult at 18, and they can file taxes, go off to die in a war, and vote, they can damn sure buy a beer and some cigarettes.
254 | Eclectic Cyborg Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:10:18pm |
re: #252 EPR-radar
For starters, it has more imagination in a few minutes than Disney usually has in the whole length of its feature-length films.
Agreed. Fantastic, imaginative film that has so many wonderful layers.
256 | Eclectic Cyborg Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:11:16pm |
re: #224 FemNaziBitch
You have to remember the old (and not so old) concept of marriage. While it is all wrapped in God and State sanctions, the basic concept is the same.
The idea of marital rape is still difficult to prove in court… . .
Compounded by the fact that many people still think marital rape can’t even exist.
257 | kirkspencer Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:11:29pm |
re: #231 ProTARDISLiberal
Cowboy Bebop is first on the list. 2 reasons:
1: It’s in SPACE!! I am a sucker for good outer space stories.
2: It takes place exclusively in the Solar System. This is likely how things will go in the next few centuries. Leaving earth, and going across the planets and moons of the neighborhood.
Hell, a NASA report in 2003 said that a manned mission to Callisto may be possible by the 2040’s.
Given the criteria, see Planetes.
258 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:11:46pm |
Unbelievable Myths, Lies, Conspiracy Theories About Pres Obama
AL SHARPTON SAYS IT’S BS SO THAT MEANS THAT IT’S ALL TRUE!!!!11!!! AL SHARPTON IS A LIAR WHO HATES WHITE PEOPLE!!!!!!!
259 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:12:47pm |
re: #252 EPR-radar
For starters, it has more imagination in a few minutes than Disney usually has in the whole length of its feature-length films.
LOLOL; no shit. It’s a genuinely magnificent film. I was very pleased when it won the Oscar for Best Animated Film.
To me, that was the moment that anime “arrived” in American pop culture.
260 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:13:43pm |
re: #251 Amory Blaine
Shutting the TV off would have a dramatic effect on the population.
We took advantage of the digital cut over to kill our TV. No regrets. What little is good (Dr Who, Cowboy BeBop to stay with the thread) is online and doesn’t suck the life out of it like a TV said.
At least I think that’s what Ed told me… ;)
261 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:13:56pm |
“NSA is totally out of control!” “This is going to blow up very big!”
Poutrage from Google and the rightwing.
More Google on NSA: We are outraged at the lengths to which the govt seems to have gone to intercept data from our private fiber networks— Andrea Mitchell (@mitchellreports) October 30, 2013
“Even people I know who voted for #Obama twice are becoming suspicious of who’s behind the NSA actions what is their endgame!”
262 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:14:00pm |
re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis
This conversation reminds me of going to Japan in the 80’s. “Grey” was my introduction to manga. Wish someone had done an anime of that one. Made Cowboy Bebop look like all flowers and unicorn rainbow farts :)
Grey comes perilously close to making All Quiet on the Western Front look like a flowers and unicorns tale.
263 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:14:23pm |
re: #230 Lidane
Because when you want to talk about Obamacare, you want one of the nutjobs that pushed for a government shutdown to force a repeal.
Because when you’re Wolf Blitzer, you want to talk to someone stupider than yourself. And the selection is narrow.
264 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:16:15pm |
Star Blazers movie is a go, once more fulfilling our fantasies of being killed by aliens http://t.co/4jQ7uJs32F— The AV Club (@TheAVClub) October 30, 2013
266 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:16:40pm |
267 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:18:08pm |
re: #259 Dr Lizardo
LOLOL; no shit. It’s a genuinely magnificent film. I was very pleased when it won the Oscar for Best Animated Film.
To me, that was the moment that anime “arrived” in American pop culture.
Issue 19 of Sandman winning the World Fantasy Award for Best Short Fiction in 1991 is a similar moment.
268 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:18:48pm |
I’ll confess I’ve never given anime a chance. I would usually just roll a bunch of doobies or whatever while all my buddies watched.
269 | Lidane Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:18:59pm |
Hahaha:
@ggreenwald says UK is a “pretend democracy”; just like Iran, China, and Russia. Boy, that guy is really losing the plot…@BBCWorldTonight— Peter R. Neumann (@PeterRNeumann) October 30, 2013
270 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:19:29pm |
re: #243 Justanotherhuman
Marriage was never a prerequisite for sex from my viewpoint. I never remarried, either. To me, it was just a legal construct. But I never lived with anyone, either. I valued my independence.
For men, in times past it was (for some) guaranteed sex on demand.
271 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:19:38pm |
re: #267 EPR-radar
Issue 19 of Sandman winning the World Fantasy Award for Best Short Fiction in 1991 is a similar moment.
Yep. Also, “Akira”. The film that launched a thousand ships otaku in the United States.
272 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:19:46pm |
re: #264 Lidane
I like Star Blazers/Space Battleship Yamato quite a bit.
I can’t imagine a live action version working out well, however.
273 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:19:52pm |
re: #249 William Barnett-Lewis
This conversation reminds me of going to Japan in the 80’s. “Grey” was my introduction to manga. Wish someone had done an anime of that one. Made Cowboy Bebop look like all flowers and unicorn rainbow farts :)
My introduction was Gunnm, or Battle Angel Alita here in the States. Not sure where it would rate on the inhumanity scale, but it seems pretty far down there as series go.
274 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:20:42pm |
re: #253 Lidane
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This is just as stupid as having the drinking age at 21. If someone is legally an adult at 18, and they can file taxes, go off to die in a war, and vote, they can damn sure buy a beer and some cigarettes.
Because we know how well those laws work … .
275 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:20:48pm |
re: #268 Amory Blaine
I’ll confess I’ve never given anime a chance. I would usually just roll a bunch of doobies or whatever while all my buddies watched.
See “Grave of the Fireflies”. One of the most emotionally devastating films I’ve ever seen. I showed to a friend many years when I was living in Portland, OR - she was exceedingly cynical, and by the time the end credits rolled, she was a blubbering wreck.
276 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:21:23pm |
re: #273 Targetpractice
My introduction was Gunnm, or Battle Angel Alita here in the States. Not sure where it would rate on the inhumanity scale, but it seems pretty far down there as series go.
“Gunnm” was freaking incredible……I loved it!!
277 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:21:57pm |
re: #271 Dr Lizardo
Yep. Also, “Akira”. The film that launched a thousand
shipsotaku in the United States.
First anime movie I ever watched, on account of it getting regular play back in the days when The Scifi Channel actually showed quality scifi movies. Used to show anime films on Saturday mornings too.
278 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:22:09pm |
re: #163 wrenchwench
The latest photo of the niece.
I didn’t know they do Halloween in Colombia.
squeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!
279 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:22:19pm |
re: #272 EPR-radar
I like Star Blazers/Space Battleship Yamato quite a bit.
I can’t imagine a live action version working out well, however.
It’s like the idea of a live-action Hollywood version of “Akira”; that’s been floating around for years and years now.
To which I say, “No.”
280 | freetoken Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:22:40pm |
re: #217 piratedan
this is the same America where Dancing with the Stars and Breaking Bad co-exist semi-peacefully….
I’m not so sure those two shows are that fundamentally different.
281 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:23:01pm |
re: #277 Targetpractice
First anime movie I ever watched, on account of it getting regular play back in the days when The Scifi Channel actually showed quality scifi movies. Used to show anime films on Saturday mornings too.
For a lot of people in the early 90s, “Akira” was their first exposure to anime.
282 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:23:36pm |
re: #279 Dr Lizardo
It’s like the idea of a live-action Hollywood version of “Akira”; that’s been floating around for years and years now.
To which I say, “No.”
Hell, if you can name an anime series, an American movie company has considered a live-action adaptation at least once. I remember when there was a lot of buzz for a live-action Evangelion film. Curious as to whether or not that’ll get a new shot of life in the wake of Pacific Rim.
283 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:23:48pm |
re: #280 freetoken
I’m not so sure those two shows are that fundamentally different.
Actually, Breaking Bad was a well executed production.
284 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:23:49pm |
re: #279 Dr Lizardo
It’s like the idea of a live-action Hollywood version of “Akira”; that’s been floating around for years and years now.
To which I say, “No.”
Wasn’t there a Kurosawa live “Akira” in the 50s? Different Akira?
285 | Justanotherhuman Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:23:54pm |
re: #270 FemNaziBitch
For men, in times past it was (for some) guaranteed sex on demand.
Yes. It still is, for some.
286 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:24:23pm |
re: #273 Targetpractice
My introduction was Gunnm, or Battle Angel Alita here in the States. Not sure where it would rate on the inhumanity scale, but it seems pretty far down there as series go.
yeah, I cut my teeth on the old Speed Racer and Kimba, The White Lion stuff, but rediscovered it with Akira, which led to Trigun and etc etc…. I still catch a few shows each season on the free dub sites, which leads to some purchases around Christmas and my B-Day, so I have a few titles around, everything from BeBop to Kare Kano to FLCL. It’s a ymmv thing with me, some stories speak and others I don’t connect with.
287 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:24:42pm |
re: #282 Targetpractice
Hell, if you can name an anime series, an American movie company has considered a live-action adaptation at least once. I remember when there was a lot of buzz for a live-action Evangelion film. Curious as to whether or not that’ll get a new shot of life in the wake of Pacific Rim.
Maybe; I liked “Pacific Rim”, personally. I know it did very well internationally at the box office. Japanese anime directors and writers praised it quite highly.
288 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:24:46pm |
289 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:24:53pm |
re: #279 Dr Lizardo
It’s like the idea of a live-action Hollywood version of “Akira”; that’s been floating around for years and years now.
To which I say, “No.”
That should probably be HELL NO 11ty!!!
290 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:26:04pm |
re: #289 EPR-radar
That should probably be HELL NO 11ty!!!
LOL.
“Black Lagoon” could make an interesting live-action Hollywood film with the right director and screenwriter.
291 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:26:16pm |
re: #284 Decatur Deb
Wasn’t there a Kurosawa live “Akira” in the 50s? Different Akira?
Ha— forgot that’s his freakn name.
292 | Varek Raith Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:28:39pm |
re: #277 Targetpractice
First anime movie I ever watched, on account of it getting regular play back in the days when The Scifi Channel actually showed quality scifi movies. Used to show anime films on Saturday mornings too.
First anime I saw. Back when SciFi was good.
en.wikipedia.org
293 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:28:49pm |
re: #290 Dr Lizardo
LOL.
“Black Lagoon” could make an interesting live-action Hollywood film with the right director and screenwriter.
good luck casting Revy! They’d probably want to put in a former Disney girl in the role…. sheesh, Hollywood. Also have heard rumours of a live action Bebop adaptation trying to be sold…. naturally casting Keanu Reeves as Spike… thankfully I think that ship has sailed…..
294 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:29:21pm |
Ok, what is the one with the little witch girl?
I saw some anime movie that was shown over and over on one of the kid’s channels when my kid was young. It was good.
And one about a tree —the creatures lived in the branches, but it had two trunks rooted in two different worlds.
that was cool.
Those are the only two anime I can recollect ever viewing.
295 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:29:39pm |
re: #292 Varek Raith
First anime I saw. Back when SciFi was good.
en.wikipedia.org
now it’s been recast as USA-Network Horror Division….
296 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:29:47pm |
re: #292 Varek Raith
First anime I saw. Back when SciFi was good.
en.wikipedia.org
Oh yes, good stuff. They even showed the live-action “sequel” as well.
297 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:29:50pm |
re: #282 Targetpractice
Hell, if you can name an anime series, an American movie company has considered a live-action adaptation at least once. I remember when there was a lot of buzz for a live-action Evangelion film. Curious as to whether or not that’ll get a new shot of life in the wake of Pacific Rim.
I wonder if any of these movie companies are insane enough to contemplate a live action adaptation of Hellsing.
298 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:30:21pm |
re: #293 piratedan
good luck casting Revy! They’d probably want to put in a former Disney girl in the role…. sheesh, Hollywood. Also have heard rumours of a live action Bebop adaptation trying to be sold…. naturally casting Keanu Reeves as Spike… thankfully I think that ship has sailed…..
For Revy, I’d want to use an unknown actress - and definitely a Chinese-American young woman, just like her character. My concern would be the producers would want to water the character down, to make her less than the psychopathic nihilist that she is.
299 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:30:42pm |
re: #294 FemNaziBitch
Ok, what is the one with the little witch girl?
I saw some anime movie that was shown over and over on one of the kid’s channels when my kid was young. It was good.
And one about a tree —the creatures lived in the branches, but it had two trunks rooted in two different worlds.
that was cool.
Those are the only two anime I can recollect ever viewing.
You may be thinking about the witch girl as Kiki’s Delivery Service
300 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:31:07pm |
re: #299 piratedan
You may be thinking about the witch girl as Kiki’s Delivery Service
Yes! That was a darling movie.
301 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:31:49pm |
re: #298 Dr Lizardo
For Revy, I’d want to use an unknown actress - and definitely a Chinese-American young woman, just like her character. My concern would be the producers would want to water the character down, to make her less than the psychopathic nihilist that she is.
I’d think that trying to portray a group of modern-day pirates as the good guys to America audiences would be a tough sell. We’re not exactly talking Cap’n Jack Sparrow here.
302 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:31:53pm |
re: #297 EPR-radar
I wonder if any of these movie companies are insane enough to contemplate a live action adaptation of Hellsing.
James Cameron said many years ago he wanted to do a live-action version of “Gunnm”. That might be cool, actually.
303 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:32:01pm |
re: #288 Decatur Deb
But we try to deny them our bodily essence.
Those assholes have no idea it exists.
Sad creatures, they are.
304 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:32:45pm |
re: #267 EPR-radar
Which was written by Neil Gaiman.
Who would go on to become a writer for Doctor Who for the 11th.
He wrote The Doctor’s Wife and “Nightmare in Silver.”
The Doctor’s Wife was the best of Series 6. Nightmare in Silver was okay, but had significant flaws.
305 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:32:49pm |
re: #275 Dr Lizardo
Thank you for that. I’ll put it on my list along with another film I’m going to watch on advice from another lizard “Come And See”.
306 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:32:53pm |
re: #301 Targetpractice
I’d think that trying to portray a group of modern-day pirates as the good guys to America audiences would be a tough sell. We’re not exactly talking Cap’n Jack Sparrow here.
That’s true. And I can’t imagine how American audiences would react to a character like Revy - a lot of folks freaked out over Hit Girl from “Kick Ass”.
307 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:33:17pm |
re: #302 Dr Lizardo
James Cameron said many years ago he wanted to do a live-action version of “Gunnm”. That might be cool, actually.
I’ve already given up on that. Cameron has been dragging that particular promise along for years. He said before Avatar came out that he’d take the tech he developed for that film and use it to make Gunnm. But that was before he signed the contracts to make two sequels to Avatar.
308 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:33:47pm |
re: #297 EPR-radar
Maybe the one that did the live action Hellboy.
309 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:34:01pm |
re: #307 Targetpractice
I’ve already given up on that. Cameron has been dragging that particular promise along for years. He said before Avatar came out that he’d take the tech he developed for that film and use it to make Gunnm. But that was before he signed the contracts to make two sequels to Avatar.
Exactly, which is too bad. I think Cameron could pull it off pretty well. Also, maybe Guillermo Del Toro.
310 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:34:14pm |
re: #300 FemNaziBitch
Yes! That was a darling movie.
If you have grand kids, I’d also recommend My Neighbor Totoro
311 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:34:27pm |
You must click.
312 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:34:47pm |
re: #310 piratedan
If you have grand kids, I’d also recommend My Neighbor Totoro
Another great film from Miyazaki that I also highly recommend.
313 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:34:58pm |
re: #302 Dr Lizardo
James Cameron said many years ago he wanted to do a live-action version of “Gunnm”. That might be cool, actually.
Yes, that could work. There are some manga/anime that could reasonably be adapted to live action. For others, the very idea seems ridiculous.
314 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:35:46pm |
Speaking of Gaiman, Death: The High Cost of Living is another of those projects that’s been floating around for years, with no real chance of being made in sight. I think even Neil now, when asked at conventions if it’s still going to be made, has leveled with fans that it’s not likely to happen.
315 | Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:36:17pm |
pic.twitter.com/nS7Qh4MNHq— emilio porompompero (@PoromEmilio) October 30, 2013
316 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:37:04pm |
re: #310 piratedan
If you have grand kids, I’d also recommend My Neighbor Totoro
No grandkids, but I’ve been fortunate enough to be an adopted “Fairy-God” Aunt to some fantastic kids I met at the dog training club.
If ever I was inclined to say the word “blessed” —this friendship definitely qualifies.
317 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:37:07pm |
re: #308 ProTARDISLiberal
Maybe the one that did the live action Hellboy.
Hellsing is much more extreme in terms of setting and ultra-violence than anything I remember seeing in Hellboy.
318 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:37:28pm |
re: #313 EPR-radar
Yes, that could work. There are some manga/anime that could reasonably be adapted to live action. For others, the very idea seems ridiculous.
For awhile there, Hollywood was all hot to remake J-Horror films. There’s one, though, that would never work if they tried to Americanize it.
“Noroi”. Creepy-ass flick.
319 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:38:52pm |
Gaiman, now that is one author I’ve yet to really binge on. I read a couple. He is on the weird scale with China Meiville.
Must check my queue.
Did some Louis McMaster Bujold last week. Still not seeing what the big hype about her is. Satisfying, but not all that.
Doing Beggers and Choosers now by Nancy Kress.
320 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:38:53pm |
321 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:39:37pm |
re: #315 Charles Johnson
In the Master Spy, this picture shows up under the caption “Watch Live: President Obama Speaks on the Affordable Care Act”.
Disconcerting…
322 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:39:38pm |
re: #317 EPR-radar
I was just using the “Hell” part in their for humor reasons.
323 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:39:50pm |
just because, I would also recommend that if you have the time and disposition, check out Summer Wars and as Lizardo mentioned before, Paprika, some very different takes on the subject matter that doesn’t get discussed too often.
324 | Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:40:17pm |
re: #315 Charles Johnson
All kinds of innuendo in that one. Awesome.
325 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:40:39pm |
re: #323 piratedan
just because, I would also recommend that if you have the time and disposition, check out Summer Wars and as Lizardo mentioned before, Paprika, some very different takes on the subject matter that doesn’t get discussed too often.
I was quite impressed with “Summer Wars”. Good solid film.
326 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:40:40pm |
Answer to Question #1. Because poor women don’t have cars or the cash to buy plane tickets.
Answer to Question #2. Yes.
Hi #uniteblue Two questions: -Why are most abortion clinics located in poor neighborhoods? -Heard of Margaret Sanger? #ccot #life— Liberty Amendments (@marklindesr) October 30, 2013
327 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:42:08pm |
I wouldn’t mind a live action “Tank Police”
A live action version of “Patlabor” could also be pretty good.
328 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:43:01pm |
re: #319 FemNaziBitch
I think Ms. Bujold, depending upon what you’re reading because she does have about three different series out there, can best be classified as cozy. Decent storytelling, very few plot holes, good characterizations. Seems that most packages out there lack one of those three.
329 | Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:43:40pm |
re: #327 Kragar
I wouldn’t mind a live action “Tank Police”
A live action version of “Patlabor” could also be pretty good.
Oshii did a live-action. “Avalon”. Quite involving.
330 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:44:04pm |
re: #327 Kragar
I wouldn’t mind a live action “Tank Police”
A live action version of “Patlabor” could also be pretty good.
Heh……I wonder who you could get to play AnnaPuma and UniPuma?
331 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:44:18pm |
The only anime I have seen was “Princess Mononoke”
332 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:45:04pm |
re: #330 Dr Lizardo
Heh……I wonder who you could get to play AnnaPuma and UniPuma?
I’ll have to hold the auditions personally, of course.
333 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:45:50pm |
re: #317 EPR-radar
Hellsing is much more extreme in terms of setting and ultra-violence than anything I remember seeing in Hellboy.
Hellsing’s a series that would be a nightmare to sell to Hollywood execs.
“So, who’s the main villain?”
“A remnant Nazi army that’s using arcane science to produce artificial vampires and a secret branch of fanatical priests in the Vatican dedicated to the destruction of all supernatural creatures.”
“And who are the heroes?”
“A secret organization of vampire hunters working for the British government whose operatives are an axe-crazy super-vampire who in reality is Dracula, a bumbling police rookie turned fledgling vampire who can’t stand to drink blood, and a band of mercenaries.”
“How much violence are we talking about?”
“On a scale of 1 to 10? 42.”
334 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:46:10pm |
re: #331 Witches BaBOOshka
The only anime I have seen was “Princess Mononoke”
That’s a classic. See “Spirited Away” if you get the chance. It’s considered one of the greatest animated films of all time.
335 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:46:18pm |
336 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:46:33pm |
Hey, the whole first Patlabor movie is on youtube, cool
337 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:46:43pm |
re: #333 Targetpractice
Hellsing’s a series that would be a nightmare to sell to Hollywood execs.
“So, who’s the main villain?”
“A remnant Nazi army that’s using arcane science to produce artificial vampires and a secret branch of fanatical priests in the Vatican dedicated to the destruction of all supernatural creatures.”
“And who are the heroes?”
“A secret organization of vampire hunters working for the British government whose operatives are an axe-crazy super-vampire who in reality is Dracula, a bumbling police rookie turned fledgling vampire who can’t stand to drink blood, and a band of mercenaries.”
“How much violence are we talking about?”
“On a scale of 1 to 10? 42.”
LOLOL
338 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:46:46pm |
re: #331 Witches BaBOOshka
The only anime I have seen was “Princess Mononoke”
one of the few films where the US voice over talent matched that of the original Japanese Seiyu imho. I thought it was a good watch myself, it paved the way for Spirited Away to get much broader acceptance here.
339 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:47:04pm |
340 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:47:36pm |
re: #328 piratedan
I think Ms. Bujold, depending upon what you’re reading because she does have about three different series out there, can best be classified as cozy. Decent storytelling, very few plot holes, good characterizations. Seems that most packages out there lack one of those three.
Yes, cozy, satisfying. I don’t know, I’ve yet to encounter any truly unique or interesting concepts.
341 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:48:31pm |
re: #337 Dr Lizardo
I would love to be in the room when that is pitched.
Rurouni Kenshin now has a live-action adaption
342 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:48:46pm |
re: #340 FemNaziBitch
Yes, cozy, satisfying. I don’t know, I’ve yet to encounter any truly unique or interesting concepts.
can I ask which of her works that you’re currently reading?
343 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:50:34pm |
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Mercedes Lackey series (I can’t remember the name) that started as a podcast. Narrated by Veronica Giguere. Nazi Aliens come back to Earth and Russian Communists KGB must cooperate with US CIA against Corporations. With naturally mutual super hero humans and such.
Very interesting plot lines.
344 | Vicious Babushka Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:50:40pm |
re: #334 Dr Lizardo
That’s a classic. See “Spirited Away” if you get the chance. It’s considered one of the greatest animated films of all time.
Why does it only have 2 1/2 stars on Netflix?
345 | Kragar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:50:46pm |
Can’t believe no one said Vampire Hunter D yet.
346 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:51:03pm |
re: #344 Witches BaBOOshka
That’s blasphemy.
347 | Kilroy01 Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:51:17pm |
re: #272 EPR-radar
I like Star Blazers/Space Battleship Yamato quite a bit.
I can’t imagine a live action version working out well, however.
To late:
Youtube Video
It is pretty good. Subtitles and all.
348 | EPR-radar Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:51:36pm |
re: #344 Witches BaBOOshka
Why does it only have 2 1/2 stars on Netflix?
Proof that many morons provide ratings on Netflix.
349 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:51:42pm |
re: #342 piratedan
can I ask which of her works that you’re currently reading?
I read a fantasy Paladin of Souls and Sci-Fi Shards of Honor. I think I read one a while back, about a guy and a boat, but I can’t remember the name and if it was hers.
All on audio.
350 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:53:10pm |
re: #344 Witches BaBOOshka
Why does it only have 2 1/2 stars on Netflix?
Probably because the people who reviewed it are cretins.
The late Roger Ebert’s review is four out of four stars.
351 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:53:52pm |
re: #339 ProTARDISLiberal
Someone in Japan went way out of their way to make this.
Doctor Who & Anime.
[Embedded content]
That’s awesome!!
352 | Mike Lamb Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:54:34pm |
re: #333 Targetpractice
Hellsing’s a series that would be a nightmare to sell to Hollywood execs.
“So, who’s the main villain?”
“A remnant Nazi army that’s using arcane science to produce artificial vampires and a secret branch of fanatical priests in the Vatican dedicated to the destruction of all supernatural creatures.”
“And who are the heroes?”
“A secret organization of vampire hunters working for the British government whose operatives are an axe-crazy super-vampire who in reality is Dracula, a bumbling police rookie turned fledgling vampire who can’t stand to drink blood, and a band of mercenaries.”
“How much violence are we talking about?”
“On a scale of 1 to 10? 42.”
They made a movie about Abraham Lincoln being a vampire hunter. This is an easy sell.
354 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:56:34pm |
re: #351 Dr Lizardo
The 3rd Doctor is the one that would fit best with that. 10th and 11th aren’t bad either. What, with the 10th being a bit of a pretty boy, and the 11th being certifiable.
But the 3rd is the action hero.
356 | Dr Lizardo Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:57:18pm |
re: #354 ProTARDISLiberal
The 3rd Doctor is the one that would fit best with that. 10th and 11th aren’t bad either. What, with the 10th being a bit of a pretty boy, and the 11th being certifiable.
But the 3rd is the action hero.
heh
357 | FemNaziBitch Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:58:23pm |
358 | Targetpractice Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:59:15pm |
re: #354 ProTARDISLiberal
The 3rd Doctor is the one that would fit best with that. 10th and 11th aren’t bad either. What, with the 10th being a bit of a pretty boy, and the 11th being certifiable.
But the 3rd is the action hero.
I understand that was by design, that the folks at the BBC decided that The Doctor was becoming too “easy” to write for because he could just pull a deus ex machina play at the end of an episode and answer whatever situation was happening.
359 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 4:59:54pm |
re: #349 FemNaziBitch
I read a fantasy Paladin of Souls and Sci-Fi Shards of Honor. I think I read one a while back, about a guy and a boat, but I can’t remember the name and if it was hers.
All on audio.
her “best” work is the Vorkosigian Saga of stories…imho, I won’t try and explain it when there are other sources out there, but that’s what got her the attention that she has….
360 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 5:03:54pm |
re: #356 Dr Lizardo
This is also why I think Capaldi can be a good Modern Doctor. Just because he is older doesn’t mean he won’t be capable of action.
Not only that, but it will be interesting to see how Clara acts with him. Clara seems to belong to the same class of companion as Rose and River. Especially River.
re: #358 Targetpractice
Pertwee was a spy in WWII. Fun fact.
And Christopher Lee and Doctor Who have a connection. Christopher Lee was part of the Baker Street Irregulars, which a character in Hide was as well.
361 | ProTARDISLiberal Wed, Oct 30, 2013 5:05:40pm |
re: #360 ProTARDISLiberal
From the Wiki:
Pertwee was an officer in the Royal Navy, spending some time attached to the highly-secretive Naval Intelligence Division during the Second World War, working alongside James Bond author Ian Fleming and reporting directly to Prime Minister Winston Churchill. In a 1994 interview (not published until 2013) he said “I did all sorts. Teaching commandos how to use escapology equipment, compasses in brass buttons, secret maps in white cotton handkerchiefs, pipes you could smoke that also fired a .22 bullet. All sorts of incredible things.”[6] He was a crew member of HMS Hood and was transferred off the ship for officer training shortly before she was sunk by the German battleship Bismarck, losing all but three men. During his time in the navy Pertwee woke up one morning after a drunken night out while in port to find a tattoo of a cobra on his right arm.
362 | William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 30, 2013 5:07:51pm |
re: #328 piratedan
I think Ms. Bujold, depending upon what you’re reading because she does have about three different series out there, can best be classified as cozy. Decent storytelling, very few plot holes, good characterizations. Seems that most packages out there lack one of those three.
That’s not a bad way to put but for me it does go a bit deeper. The series began back in the 80’s and was an enormous step above the average, especially in characterization. (You can see the 80’s and Star Trek fanfic in the early Cetagandans who are Soviet Klingons … ;)
I find that, unlike 90% of sf, I care about the characters and actually want to know what becomes of them. That especially was true after reading The Warrior’s Apprentice & Mountains of Mourning.
363 | piratedan Wed, Oct 30, 2013 5:24:05pm |
re: #362 William Barnett-Lewis
That’s not a bad way to put but for me it does go a bit deeper. The series began back in the 80’s and was an enormous step above the average, especially in characterization. (You can see the 80’s and Star Trek fanfic in the early Cetagandans who are Soviet Klingons … ;)
I find that, unlike 90% of sf, I care about the characters and actually want to know what becomes of them. That especially was true after reading The Warrior’s Apprentice & Mountains of Mourning.
I agree, while I enjoyed the Challion series and the Borrowed Knife books, the Vorkosigian series is a step above, I think because she has such a good handle on military and family loyalty themes and how those threads are interwoven in the stories.
364 | Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, Oct 30, 2013 5:28:40pm |
365 | wheat-dogghazi Thu, Oct 31, 2013 2:33:42am |
re: #299 piratedan
The tree movie you’re referring to is probably Kaena: The Prophecy. It’s not Japanese, but French.
I’d like to suggest another French animated movie: Kirikou and the Sorceress .