2 | jaunte Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:27:45pm |
Nightfall in central Texas, and the frogs down by the lake are going nuts.
4 | wrenchwench Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:32:33pm |
5 | wrenchwench Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:37:23pm |
6 | Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:54:49pm |
The real angry birds #EarthPics pic.twitter.com/5Nkmo6DTkd
— Google Earth Pics (@GoogleEarthPics) November 3, 2013
7 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 2, 2013 5:59:08pm |
Ladies and germs, I give you … my brand new kitchen faucet. All brass fittings, no plastic. Should last a while. (It was actually cheaper a few days ago.)
8 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:01:37pm |
This one got better reviews than the $1200 carbon one I was on the brink of buying, so I changed my mind. cough
9 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:03:17pm |
Plastic fittings are Satan’s little helpers, in a kitchen faucet. That’s what wore out on the current one. Evil satanic plastic.
10 | Lidane Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:04:43pm |
I should know better than to get involved in any discussion about the ACA on Facebook. The wannabe libertarian derp is powerful.
11 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:05:45pm |
Needed a new kitchen faucet so I browsed a little on Amazon - suddenly every website I visit is barraging me with ads for faucets.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 3, 2013
12 | The Mountain That Blogs Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:06:40pm |
re: #11 Charles Johnson
But remember—no one but the NSA is looking in on you.
13 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:07:20pm |
There should be a checkbox somewhere that says, “I already bought a frickin' faucet. Leave me alone.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 3, 2013
14 | jaunte Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:07:25pm |
re: #11 Charles Johnson
Google Ads need a “purchase completed” button.
15 | Teukka Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:08:47pm |
re: #10 Lidane
I should know better than to get involved in any discussion about the ACA on Facebook. The wannabe libertarian derp is powerful.
Try different derp in different media. I was involved in a discussion about Voter ID laws in red states on another forum. Hilarity ensued.
16 | Lidane Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:08:59pm |
Gotta love the so-called anarchist libertarian who swears that there’s no such thing as a social contract because he didn’t sign one, but that colonial America was the greatest thing ever and the Founders were geniuses.
Never mind the fact that the Founders were heavily influenced by the social contract theory of writers like Locke and Rousseau. The social contract doesn’t exist at all because people now haven’t signed or agreed to anything.
Also, the libertarian ideal of anarchy has never been successful because people are too stupid and lazy to let it happen. Or something.
*headdesk*
17 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:09:32pm |
I have a confession to make, one which may get my geek license revoked. Until this week, I’d never sat down and watched either Predator or Highlander all the way through.
18 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:12:19pm |
re: #10 Lidane
I should know better than to get involved in any discussion about the ACA on Facebook. The wannabe libertarian derp is powerful.
Libertarianism will only work if the vast majority of people make decisions rationally. It has been shown in dozens of research papers people make decisions emotionally and seldom in their own best interests. People are too easily swayed by charismatic leaders including those leading corps.
A libertarian world would lead to a small minority of wealthy people and a large majority of poor consumer/workers with a large gap in incomes. Most of those who have jumped on the libertarian bandwagon would find themselves being filtered down not up.
19 | Dancing along the light of day Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:12:48pm |
re: #9 Charles Johnson
Plastic fittings are Satan’s little helpers, in a kitchen faucet. That’s what wore out on the current one. Evil satanic plastic.
Better living through chemicals!
20 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:13:03pm |
re: #10 Lidane
I should know better than to get involved in any discussion about the ACA on Facebook. The wannabe libertarian derp is powerful.
I feel the same way every time I let myself get sucked in by the usual suspects when commenting at NPR. There’s about a half dozen who are always there and always spouting their variations on the Derp. One is a Hayek and “Natural Rights spouting “True Believer” Libertarian, one reminds me of DF but without the self-awareness and honesty, one just spews whatever the latest talking point is while refering to anyone responding to him with child versions of their names (Billy for me, as an example), and so on. You’d think that NPR being the US “Pravda” they wouldn’t want to be associated with it but there they are, trolling away. And, alas, I find myself suckered in more often than not. Though it was fun telling the libertarian that Adam Smith would slap him for his mischaracterization of Smith’s works…
21 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:14:37pm |
re: #16 Lidane
Gotta love the so-called anarchist libertarian who swears that there’s no such thing as a social contract because he didn’t sign one, but that colonial America was the greatest thing ever and the Founders were geniuses.
Never mind the fact that the Founders were heavily influenced by the social contract theory of writers like Locke and Rousseau. The social contract doesn’t exist at all because people now haven’t signed or agreed to anything.
Also, the libertarian ideal of anarchy has never been successful because people are too stupid and lazy to let it happen. Or something.
*headdesk*
Accepting the benefits of living in a society such as ours is signing the contract.
22 | jaunte Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:14:48pm |
re: #16 Lidane
the libertarian ideal of anarchy has never been successful
Pesky reality keeps intervening.
23 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:14:58pm |
re: #17 Targetpractice
I have a confession to make, one which may get my geek license revoked. Until this week, I’d never sat down and watched either Predator or Highlander all the way through.
What are you?
24 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:15:05pm |
re: #18 b_sharp
Libertarianism will only work if the vast majority of people make decisions rationally. It has been shown in dozens of research papers people make decisions emotionally and seldom in their own best interests. People are too easily swayed by charismatic leaders including those leading corps.
A libertarian world would lead to a small minority of wealthy people and a large majority of poor consumer/workers with a large gap in incomes. Most of those who have jumped on the libertarian bandwagon would find themselves being filtered down not up.
If I wish to see a libertarian world taken to its logical conclusion, I just play Bioshock. It’s easy enough to understand: When you have a system that “rewards” you based upon how much of a dick you can be to your fellow man, which actually penalizes charity and benevolence, then what you end up with is effectively feudalism.
25 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:15:29pm |
26 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:16:03pm |
re: #16 Lidane
Gotta love the so-called anarchist libertarian who swears that there’s no such thing as a social contract because he didn’t sign one, but that colonial America was the greatest thing ever and the Founders were geniuses.
Never mind the fact that the Founders were heavily influenced by the social contract theory of writers like Locke and Rousseau. The social contract doesn’t exist at all because people now haven’t signed or agreed to anything.
Also, the libertarian ideal of anarchy has never been successful because people are too stupid and lazy to let it happen. Or something.
*headdesk*
Oh, yeah. They only believed in “Natural Rights” don’t you know? I told the last one I ran into to read Smith & Locke. He said he had in getting his PolySci/Econ degree. After disparaging their academic standards, I simply suggested he try reading them again because he missed a wee bit the first time.
28 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:17:13pm |
re: #17 Targetpractice
I have a confession to make, one which may get my geek license revoked. Until this week, I’d never sat down and watched either Predator or Highlander all the way through.
Highlander is a pretty decent movie. Pity they never made a sequel … (whistles).
Predator, well, I wasn’t much impressed.
29 | Lidane Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:17:45pm |
re: #21 b_sharp
Accepting the benefits of living in a society such as ours is signing the contract.
I pointed that out and got this for a response:
Still not a social contract. A contract requires that two or more parties agree on something, be it verbally, in writing, etc… I’m not going to argue semantics though, because it wouldn’t be beneficial to either of us or the discussion at large.
I laughed and decided to just move on.
30 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:18:04pm |
re: #21 b_sharp
Accepting the benefits of living in a society such as ours is signing the contract.
Yep. And taxes are simply membership dues. Don’t want to pay? The boarder is that way… ;)
31 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:18:51pm |
re: #28 William Barnett-Lewis
Highlander is a pretty decent movie. Pity they never made a sequel … (whistles).
Predator, well, I wasn’t much impressed.
Shut. Up.
32 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:19:02pm |
re: #29 Lidane
I pointed that out and got this for a response:
I laughed and decided to just move on.
That’s one to give a link to the “24 Types” comic before ignoring though.
33 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:20:11pm |
re: #29 Lidane
I pointed that out and got this for a response:
I laughed and decided to just move on.
The idea of a social contract is generally lost on libertarians. They pay lip service to it, to the very foundation of America, but in the end only wish to abide by it when they personally benefit. I’ve been laughing at one try to convince me that judicial review is a power that only the states possess and how the Supreme Court usurped that power.
34 | jaunte Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:20:32pm |
Former Speaker of the House Jim Wright denied a voter ID in Texas http://t.co/Qq2rGlH2HZ
— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) November 3, 2013
35 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:22:14pm |
It seems to me the people who swallow libertarianism tend to read only far enough to find a juicy tidbit and then refuse to follow the idea to its logical conclusion given the reality of human nature.
36 | makeitstop Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:25:20pm |
re: #9 Charles Johnson
Plastic fittings are Satan’s little helpers, in a kitchen faucet. That’s what wore out on the current one. Evil satanic plastic.
I don’t even engage the wingnuts on FB any more. 101% impervious to facts and reason.
Now I just read their posts and marvel at the toxic mixture of sheer bitterness, entitlement and victimhood. It must really be exhausting to be that pissed off all the time.
37 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:26:27pm |
re: #35 b_sharp
It seems to me the people who swallow libertarianism tend to read only far enough to find a juicy tidbit and then refuse to follow the idea to its logical conclusion given the reality of human nature.
Libertarianism appeals to so many of them for one simple reason: It’s a political philosophy that enshrines self-importance. That sees government as a necessary evil to “protect their rights,” but want no part of a government that actually has the power to do so. They want all the sorts of goodies that come with living in a modern democracy, but none of the costs or obligations. And they want to believe that the “free market” is a benevolent god who grants their wishes because it wants to, not because they pay it to.
38 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:26:38pm |
re: #36 makeitstop
I don’t even engage the wingnuts on FB any more. 101% impervious to facts and reason.
Now I just read their posts and marvel at the toxic mixture of sheer bitterness, entitlement and victimhood. It must really be exhausting to be that pissed off all the time.
You don’t argue with satanic faucets?
39 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:27:04pm |
40 | wheat-dogghazi Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:28:42pm |
re: #33 Targetpractice
The idea of a social contract is generally lost on libertarians. They pay lip service to it, to the very foundation of America, but in the end only wish to abide by it when they personally benefit. I’ve been laughing at one try to convince me that judicial review is a power that only the states possess and how the Supreme Court usurped that power.
Their command of history and American civics tends to be pretty weak. Political philosophy of the 18th century may as well be ancient Hittite to them, because they don’t accept the fundamental idea that humans are responsible for each other’s welfare — that’s what we call society. Libertarians have this naive idea that each person looking out for himself will somehow create a healthy and harmonious society.
41 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:30:03pm |
re: #39 Targetpractice
I tried once, but all I got was wet.
I get attacked on occasion by our satanic shower head when it leaps off the holder as I pull up the valve.
42 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:30:41pm |
Pretty sure the NSA doesn't know that I bought a new kitchen faucet today. But Amazon, Google, and numerous online advertisers do.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 3, 2013
Also pretty sure the NSA doesn't *care* that I bought a new faucet today, but lots of others obviously do.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 3, 2013
NSA super-villain: “That Johnson guy just bought a faucet. From Amazon. Hmm. Send out a team to make sure it wasn't modified in some way.”
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 3, 2013
43 | wheat-dogghazi Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:33:13pm |
re: #41 b_sharp
I get attacked on occasion by our satanic shower head when it leaps off the holder as I pull up the valve.
Did it also suggest that you eat the delicious, yet forbidden fruit hanging on yonder tree?
44 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:34:38pm |
re: #43 wheat-dogghazi
Did it also suggest that you eat the delicious, yet forbidden fruit hanging on yonder tree?
Those aren’t forbidden fruit, those are bats.
45 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:35:22pm |
Oy. I’m just going to leave this one here… Bernhard Goetz busted for selling pot
46 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:35:29pm |
re: #40 wheat-dogghazi
Their command of history and American civics tends to be pretty weak. Political philosophy of the 18th century may as well be ancient Hittite to them, because they don’t accept the fundamental idea that humans are responsible for each other’s welfare — that’s what we call society. Libertarians have this naive idea that each person looking out for himself will somehow create a healthy and harmonious society.
The naive part about it all is that they believe society works best when everyone looks out for themselves, but also believe that those who have little and are in need of help can will be taken care of through charity. If everyone is concerned only of themselves, how can there be charity?
47 | wheat-dogghazi Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:36:37pm |
re: #46 Targetpractice
The naive part about it all is that they believe society works best when everyone looks out for themselves, >but also believe that those who have little and are in need of help can will be taken care of through charity. If everyone is concerned only of themselves, how can there be charity?
Shut up, that’s why.
48 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:37:21pm |
NSA villain: “By analyzing metadata, we've determined that this Johnson guy was replacing a leaky faucet. Needs further investigation.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 3, 2013
49 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:38:19pm |
re: #46 Targetpractice
The naive part about it all is that they believe society works best when everyone looks out for themselves, >but also believe that those who have little and are in need of help can will be taken care of through charity. If everyone is concerned only of themselves, how can there be charity?
And it’s utterly impossible for government to help anyone with anything.
50 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:39:00pm |
re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis
And it’s utterly impossible for government to help anyone with anything.
And the “free market” will make everybody wealthier, healthier, and wiser because it’s in its best interests.
51 | Stanley Sea Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:41:25pm |
re: #45 William Barnett-Lewis
Oy. I’m just going to leave this one here… Bernhard Goetz busted for selling pot
Punk.
52 | b.d. Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:42:38pm |
[NSA] Through our snooping we have found out that Charles Johnson is no longer a leaker [/NSA]
53 | jaunte Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:43:30pm |
54 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:45:08pm |
re: #46 Targetpractice
The naive part about it all is that they believe society works best when everyone looks out for themselves, >but also believe that those who have little and are in need of help can will be taken care of through charity. If everyone is concerned only of themselves, how can there be charity?
That type of society would have severe crime problems, even more than what plagues the US now.
The idea that a lazy-fair free market economy would leave few without work is naive. Aside from the fact that the US is part of a global economy, corporations are profit based meaning the profits have to keep increasing. The only way that can happen is if the cost to produce goes down as competition stabilizes or reduces prices. If regulations go the way they want, monopolies will force prices up.
55 | Lidane Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:45:45pm |
re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis
And it’s utterly impossible for government to help anyone with anything.
Also, people don’t have a moral obligation to follow laws from a criminal government, but somehow society is going to stick together and not descend into anarchy if we let people pick and choose which laws to follow.
56 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:47:12pm |
NSA super-villain update: “Social network analysis reveals Johnson is discussing his leaky faucet on Twitter. Activate Twitter backdoor.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 3, 2013
57 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:48:30pm |
NSA super-villain update: “Further metadata analysis has determined that the leaky faucet was indeed, a leaky faucet. False alarm, people.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 3, 2013
58 | Kragar Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:49:33pm |
59 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:49:34pm |
re: #52 b.d.
[NSA] Through our snooping we have found out that Charles Johnson is no longer a leaker [/NSA]
Depends.
60 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:58:37pm |
I am so bored I’m seriously considering going to Twitter.
Help me.
Actually I should go down and fix my mill.
61 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 6:59:39pm |
re: #58 Kragar
I twittered a backdoor once, but she asked me to stop.
[Embedded content]
You’re disgusting.
I’m proud to call you friend.
62 | Romantic Heretic Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:04:20pm |
re: #16 Lidane
Also, the libertarian ideal of anarchy has never been successful because people are too stupid and lazy to let it happen. Or something.
*headdesk*
This cartoon nicely categorizes the various species of libertarians.
63 | sagehen Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:04:41pm |
re: #34 jaunte
[Embedded content]
Let me guess… his driver’s license says Jim and his birth certificate says James?
64 | jaunte Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:06:29pm |
re: #63 sagehen
His TDL had expired; they wanted a birth certificate.
65 | jaunte Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:07:57pm |
Texas once more saved from the looming specter of voter fraud.
66 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:08:15pm |
NSA super-villain update: “Stand down. I repeat, stand down. Call off drone strike. Suspect was fixing leaky faucet. Repeat, leaky faucet.”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 3, 2013
[distorted interception from spy satellite] … I think he said… “leaky faucet” … could be a code phrase… further surveillance needed
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 3, 2013
67 | Kragar Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:10:26pm |
Bryan Fischer shoots self in foot, thinks he is winning
34% of all child sexual abuse in the Illinois foster program are homosexual in nature. http://t.co/4mgI0BKoqi— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) November 2, 2013
So that would mean the majority would be heterosexual abuse then.
68 | GeneJockey Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:15:41pm |
I got into a conversation with a libertarian on FB. In fact I’ve gotten into several. What I notice most is an extreme avoidance of ‘follow through’ in his thinking, which I think is common to libertarians.
For example, I was comparing libertarianism to communism as something that only works until one person figures out how to gain an advantage. With communism, it’s the guy who figures out that it doesn’t matter how hard he works, he still gets the same stuff. With libertarianism, as soon as one guy figures out how to exploit somebody else, the exploitation will just keep growing.
“But that’s what people don’t get about liberarianism!” he whinged, “Nobody has the right to exploit anyone else!”
So, I asked, what mechanism exists in libertarianism to stop them?
*crickets.*
Another time, he was going on and on about how he didn’t want the government involved in his healthcare. I said that he was then presumably okay with anyone selling anything they want to, claiming it to be a cure for whatever they wish.
“That’s not a healthcare issue! That’s a labeling issue!”
Of course, libertarians also don’t believe in government being involved in labeling, either.
The best part is, he turns out to be a veteran, eligible for Single Payer, Government Managed healthcare, who wants to deny access to something nowhere near as good to tens of millions of his fellow citizens, because freedom, I suppose.
69 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:20:19pm |
re: #67 Kragar
Bryan Fischer shoots self in foot, thinks he is winning
[Embedded content]
So that would mean the majority would be heterosexual abuse then.
He thinks that since the percentage of gays in general society is lower than 34% his numbers show a gay bias in sexual abuse.
He’s distorting the definition of homosexual in order to prove his point.
He’s also making a statistical error and milking an informal logical fallacy.
70 | GeneJockey Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:22:06pm |
re: #69 b_sharp
He thinks that since the percentage of gays in general society is lower than 34% his numbers show a gay bias in sexual abuse.
He’s distorting the definition of homosexual in order to prove his point.
He’s also making a statistical error and milking an informal logical fallacy.
No True Scotsman Straight Guy would bugger a little boy!
///
71 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:23:00pm |
re: #68 GeneJockey
I got into a conversation with a libertarian on FB. In fact I’ve gotten into several. What I notice most is an extreme avoidance of ‘follow through’ in his thinking, which I think is common to libertarians.
For example, I was comparing libertarianism to communism as something that only works until one person figures out how to gain an advantage. With communism, it’s the guy who figures out that it doesn’t matter how hard he works, he still gets the same stuff. With libertarianism, as soon as one guy figures out how to exploit somebody else, the exploitation will just keep growing.
“But that’s what people don’t get about liberarianism!” he whinged, “Nobody has the right to exploit anyone else!”
So, I asked, what mechanism exists in libertarianism to stop them?
*crickets.*
Another time, he was going on and on about how he didn’t want the government involved in his healthcare. I said that he was then presumably okay with anyone selling anything they want to, claiming it to be a cure for whatever they wish.
“That’s not a healthcare issue! That’s a labeling issue!”
Of course, libertarians also don’t believe in government being involved in labeling, either.
The best part is, he turns out to be a veteran, eligible for Single Payer, Government Managed healthcare, who wants to deny access to something nowhere near as good to tens of millions of his fellow citizens, because freedom, I suppose.
Poor guy.
Some highly intelligent people have trouble thinking critically.
73 | GeneJockey Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:27:00pm |
re: #71 b_sharp
Poor guy.
Some highly intelligent people have trouble thinking critically.
Yep. I knew one guy, pretty good scientist, if a bit of a plodder, who was an Objectivist. He told me that if government got out of the way, the economy would just grow and grow and grow and everything would be wonderful forever.
He didn’t really have a cogent answer for how that would work. This was before the South Park ‘Underpants Gnomes’, but clearly, his thinking was similar.
74 | Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:28:02pm |
re: #16 Lidane
You won’t find much love or understanding for the classical liberal interpretation of social contract theory these days. I was looking for a Chomsky article but the google search “the social contract is dead” illustrates the point better. There’s actually some interesting reading there but I think it essentially boils down to populism. It’s just too easy for people to find a scapegoat enemy who is an unworthy partner of the contract. In Chomsky’s case it is the government and the capitalist system but it could be anyone, Bankers, Jews, minorities, Muslims, Christians or whatever. When people believe the simplistic hyperbole that the other side is evil or unfairly gaming the system then the social contract easily goes out the window.
It also doesn’t help that our education system doesn’t emphasize social contract theory and may not even teach it anymore.
75 | sagehen Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:30:47pm |
Early warning — tonight’s SNL is hosted by Kerry Washington, musical guest Eminem.
76 | prairiefire Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:40:39pm |
re: #74 Killgore Trout
You won’t find much love or understanding for the classical liberal interpretation of social contract theory these days. I was looking for a Chomsky article but the google search “the social contract is dead” illustrates the point better. There’s actually some interesting reading there but I think it essentially boils down to populism. It’s just too easy for people to find a scapegoat enemy who is an unworthy partner of the contract. In Chomsky’s case it is the government and the capitalist system but it could be anyone, Bankers, Jews, minorities, Muslims, Christians or whatever. When people believe the simplistic hyperbole that the other side is evil or unfairly gaming the system then the social contract easily goes out the window.
It also doesn’t help that our education system doesn’t emphasize social contract theory and may not even teach it anymore.
I think that the schools are focused on stand alone issues such as anti bullying and anti drug that reinforce a positive society.
77 | Bubblehead II Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:40:59pm |
Night Lizards. I came, I saw and I posted in the pages. Now I bid you a good night. Since I am not feeling glooming tonight. I leave you with this.
Sleep well and may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.
BTW, don’t forget to set your clocks back 1 hr so you can get that added hour of sleep.
78 | Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:50:41pm |
re: #76 prairiefire
I think that the schools are focused on stand alone issues such as anti bullying and anti drug that reinforce a positive society.
Probably. I have no clue how the millennials are going to turn out but I hope they figure some shit out. I think we’ve made a mess of things and have been devoid of innovative social ideas for quite some time. I wish them well.
79 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:54:16pm |
re: #68 GeneJockey
I got into a conversation with a libertarian on FB. In fact I’ve gotten into several. What I notice most is an extreme avoidance of ‘follow through’ in his thinking, which I think is common to libertarians.
For example, I was comparing libertarianism to communism as something that only works until one person figures out how to gain an advantage. With communism, it’s the guy who figures out that it doesn’t matter how hard he works, he still gets the same stuff. With libertarianism, as soon as one guy figures out how to exploit somebody else, the exploitation will just keep growing.
“But that’s what people don’t get about liberarianism!” he whinged, “Nobody has the right to exploit anyone else!”
So, I asked, what mechanism exists in libertarianism to stop them?
*crickets.*
Another time, he was going on and on about how he didn’t want the government involved in his healthcare. I said that he was then presumably okay with anyone selling anything they want to, claiming it to be a cure for whatever they wish.
“That’s not a healthcare issue! That’s a labeling issue!”
Of course, libertarians also don’t believe in government being involved in labeling, either.
The best part is, he turns out to be a veteran, eligible for Single Payer, Government Managed healthcare, who wants to deny access to something nowhere near as good to tens of millions of his fellow citizens, because freedom, I suppose.
I think what’s surreal about dealing with libertarians for me anyhow as a former huge idealist is dealing with someone with an even more starry eyed pie in the sky way of looking at the world. Now, I’m not saying I agree with that idealism but I think it’s why libertarians can be so hard to debate because they really do seem to believe that everything would be better off in private hands or state/localized. On some of their positions, we’re in absolute agreement but when it comes to economics and foreign policy, I find libertarians very unpractical and heck even on the social issues I agree with them on. Many a libertarian has said to me “Well let’s just keep the government out of marriage” in response to the gay marriage question,, it beats “gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry because religious yada yada” but the fact of the matter is the government IS involved with marriage and has been for some time.
80 | prairiefire Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:57:04pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
The Kids Are Alright. A strong emphasis on national, not international needs. Having come up in the Great Recession, they might prove to be a bit more xenophobic. We’ll see. I have no doubt of their talent!!
81 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 7:57:46pm |
re: #78 Killgore Trout
Probably. I have no clue how the millennials are going to turn out but I hope they figure some shit out. I think we’ve made a mess of things and have been devoid of innovative social ideas for quite some time. I wish them well.
Cognitive studies and neuroscience are giving us a clearer vision of how humans think and are motivated.
We’re in the middle of a change from a philosophical view of human nature to a physical view of human nature and the transition looks messy.
82 | Gus Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:05:14pm |
Twitter. So far I’ve seen the same pic of Chris Christie over 4 times now and a pic of a cat being skinned alive.
Welcome to the new and improved Twitter.
Pathetic.
83 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:06:05pm |
re: #82 Gus
Twitter. So far I’ve seen the same pic of Chris Christie over 4 times now and pic of a cat being skinned alive.
Welcome to the new and improved Twitter.
Pathetic.
Tell me when you see Christie being skinned alive.
85 | Gus Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:06:51pm |
re: #83 b_sharp
Tell me when you see Christie being skinned alive.
Meh. Christie will win this Tuesday.
86 | Killgore Trout Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:07:15pm |
re: #81 b_sharp
Cognitive studies and neuroscience are giving us a clearer vision of how humans think and are motivated.
We’re in the middle of a change from a philosophical view of human nature to a physical view of human nature and the transition looks messy.
Interesting observation. I’ve burned out on political solutions to our social problems, both the system and ourselves are hopelessly broken. I’ve been tending towards more philosophical reading lately, maybe I’ll start exploring what cognitive science is up to these days. Thanks for the tip.
88 | b_sharp Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:07:23pm |
re: #82 Gus
Twitter. So far I’ve seen the same pic of Chris Christie over 4 times now and pic of a cat being skinned alive.
Welcome to the new and improved Twitter.
Pathetic.
Only a sick fuck would skin a cat alive and only a sicker fuck would post it.
89 | Gus Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:08:09pm |
With a concurrent fight going on between people I follow.
92 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:10:53pm |
re: #91 b_sharp
Okay. I will cancel the call to Dr Frankenstein. /
96 | Internet Tough Guy Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:16:47pm |
re: #82 Gus
I liked it better when it was called “4chan”.
97 | Gus Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:18:11pm |
One of the biggest mistakes in my life was getting on the internet in the 90s.
98 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:23:48pm |
re: #97 Gus
Hmm. I got on the internet in 2000. It has been very good to me.
99 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:24:32pm |
re: #96 Internet Tough Guy
I liked it better when it was called “4chan”.
You win the internet for today.
100 | Bubblehead II Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:25:42pm |
Sorry, but digging thru my bookmarks, I came across these.
Cal Smith. look him up.
Oh, by the way.
BTW, fuck it. I’ll just stayed logged in.
101 | William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:27:22pm |
re: #98 PhillyPretzel
Hmm. I got on the internet in 2000. It has been very good to me.
1986. If you remember The Great Renaming of Usenet, well, that was right after I got online.
Nothing like a VAX VMS student dial-up account :) Especially since everything on the net is Unix, not VMS, oriented … :D
102 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:29:11pm |
re: #101 William Barnett-Lewis
I had AO**L dial up at first. It was okay. When I got a chance to go to DSL I did. It is very good.
105 | Gus Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:32:41pm |
re: #104 PhillyPretzel
With a very bad case of potty mouth. /
I’ve been dropping some f-bombs since they did the pic preview garbage.
106 | PhillyPretzel Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:35:57pm |
I am going to take advantage of my one extra hour of sleep. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.
107 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:38:05pm |
re: #74 Killgore Trout
In Chomsky’s case it is the government and the capitalist system but it could be anyone, Bankers, Jews, minorities, Muslims, Christians or whatever. When people believe the simplistic hyperbole that the other side is evil or unfairly gaming the system then the social contract easily goes out the window.
It also doesn’t help that our education system doesn’t emphasize social contract theory and may not even teach it anymore.
Chomsky’s criticisms are at least directed towards specific entities and institutions that can and do act collectively, with purpose and that have some measure of agency vs. nebulous groupings of actual individuals based purely on some shared physical trait, religion or occupation. Chomsky, rightly or not, pretty much poses a preemptive challenge to anyone who seeks to exert power, and demands that they or their supporters attempt to justify that use of power in advance. That’s a laser like focus compared to the other groups you equate his targets with.
He’s not scapegoating the American capitalist system or the concept of government, but he does want to get money out of politics. If anything he’s pointing out how the social contract has been undermined how it fails groups of actual individuals by maintaining fictions such as corporate personhood.
109 | Lidane Sat, Nov 2, 2013 10:48:40pm |
re: #82 Gus
Twitter. So far I’ve seen the same pic of Chris Christie over 4 times now and a pic of a cat being skinned alive.
Welcome to the new and improved Twitter.
Pathetic.
Another reason to use HootSuite or TweetDeck. I don’t see photos unless I use the actual Twitter site.
110 | prairiefire Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:44:48pm |
re: #21 b_sharp
Accepting the benefits of living in a society such as ours is signing the contract.
Que: George Michael ~ 2012 OlympicsYoutube Video
111 | Amory Blaine Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:58:15pm |
Satanic faucets shoot flames!! Frack-a-doodle-doo!
113 | freetoken Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:45:11pm |
Working on a 210 year old mystery about one of my ancestors - namely, the identity her parents.
Long buried secrets, waiting to be discovered.
Which raises the question so applicable to many of our discussions- do we really want the truth?
114 | Amory Blaine Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:46:58pm |
Whoa!! My #112 comment is 13 minutes earlier than my #111. I need to sit down I’m getting woozy. ~~~~
115 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:48:00pm |
re: #50 Targetpractice
And the “free market” will make everybody wealthier, healthier, and wiser because it’s in its best interests.
It will make those richer who deserve to be, and only to the extent they deserve.
/
118 | Lidane Sat, Nov 2, 2013 11:54:10pm |
Bill Condon on 'Fifth Estate' disaster: Assange just 'wore out his welcome' http://t.co/VypxfEFSSz— Entertainment Weekly (@EW) November 2, 2013
119 | freetoken Sun, Nov 3, 2013 1:27:28am |
Creationism hasn’t been much in the news the past couple of days, but that doesn’t mean intentional fantasizing about human origins takes a break.
From the South China Morning Post, a news outlet whose past is tainted with political dirt, and an outlet known for its Chinese nationalism, runs this article under its “Technology” section:
Sediment in Nihewan might hold clues to the first Homo sapiens
That’s a very misleading headline. The article is about some stones discovered, which are reminiscent of early Homo tool-manufacturing, in relatively (for human evolution) old sediments (up to 15 million years old.)
Several problems:
Confusing Homo as a genus and Homo sapiens as a species;
Making the stones recovered as something which they may not be;
Uncritically accepting the dating proposals.
And even if the stones are tools, it is possible that they were made by other animals than Homo. Either another primate, or an extinct genus.
For those not aware, there have been at times debates over human evolution regarding multi-regional origins for H. sapiens, versus a single local population (and exactly where that group was geographically.) Many Chinese believe (as part of their nationalism) that modern humans evolved, either in whole or in part, in China. Various multiregional models have in the past proposed east Asian influences in the path to the current H. sapiens, and Chinese nationalists would glom onto these theories.
Anyway, here is the SCMP playing up to the nationalist Chinese mythology about H. sapiens.
Just a reminder that science propaganda is still propaganda.
120 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 3, 2013 1:36:36am |
re: #82 Gus
Twitter. So far I’ve seen the same pic of Chris Christie over 4 times now and a pic of a cat being skinned alive.
Welcome to the new and improved Twitter.
Pathetic.
No true conservatives were harmed in the making of this tweet!
121 | wheat-dogghazi Sun, Nov 3, 2013 2:11:42am |
re: #119 freetoken
The SCMP tries to walk a fine line between absolutely pro-Hong Kong independence and absolutely pro-reunification with the mainland. Sometimes it’s critical of the Beijing leadership, more than mainland news outlets can be, but not so strident as to invite a crackdown on the editors. In that regard, it tends to suck up to the mainland more than it should as a news outlet. There might even be a party member monitoring the staff. I wouldn’t be surprised.
The Chinese are extremely nationalistic, and I have the feeling that the schools teach students than China was one of the birthplaces of H. sapiens, if not THE birthplace. It’s some sort of compensation for not being rulers of the world, despite 5,000 years of history as a nation. (Actually, that last part is an exaggeration, too, because China has not been a unified nation for all of those 5,000 years, nor were the dominant Han ethnic group the top dogs all that time. It’s just a nationalistic narrative.)
122 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 3, 2013 2:11:53am |
123 | sagehen Sun, Nov 3, 2013 3:46:17am |
re: #113 freetoken
Working on a 210 year old mystery about one of my ancestors - namely, the identity her parents.
Long buried secrets, waiting to be discovered.
Which raises the question so applicable to many of our discussions- do we really want the truth?
Of *course* you do — any kind of scandal (even a hideous crime) would just add delicious flavor to your bio. (if it was 50 years ago, my answer would be different).
126 | Flounder Sun, Nov 3, 2013 4:48:33am |
re: #7 Charles Johnson
Ladies and germs, I give you … my brand new kitchen faucet. All brass fittings, no plastic. Should last a while. (It was actually cheaper a few days ago.)
That’s great, did you buy the special tool to install!?
Mwahahahahaha
ha!
Good Morning, don’t waste your extra hour!
127 | Flounder Sun, Nov 3, 2013 4:53:41am |
WARNING GRAPHIC CONTENT
First photo of shot TSA killer
nypost.com
Toldya it was disturbing.
128 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:08:12am |
More of the remains of war.
4,000-pound, World War II bomb forces mass evacuation in Germany
129 | kirkspencer Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:09:25am |
re: #79 HappyWarrior
I think what’s surreal about dealing with libertarians for me anyhow as a former huge idealist is dealing with someone with an even more starry eyed pie in the sky way of looking at the world. Now, I’m not saying I agree with that idealism but I think it’s why libertarians can be so hard to debate because they really do seem to believe that everything would be better off in private hands or state/localized. On some of their positions, we’re in absolute agreement but when it comes to economics and foreign policy, I find libertarians very unpractical and heck even on the social issues I agree with them on. Many a libertarian has said to me “Well let’s just keep the government out of marriage” in response to the gay marriage question,, it beats “gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry because religious yada yada” but the fact of the matter is the government IS involved with marriage and has been for some time.
Face it, most libertarians are just a rebranding of the pseudo-intellectual anarchists of past eras:
“Get rid of all the government, and we’ll all be better off; those who need a hand can rely on man’s altruism.”
130 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:18:46am |
re: #129 kirkspencer
Face it, most libertarians are just a rebranding of the pseudo-intellectual anarchists of past eras:
“Get rid of all the government, and we’ll all be better off; those who need a hand can rely on man’s altruism.”
They’re also very rigid in their thinking because they believe they actually have all the answers—at least until they mature and realize they don’t.
Youthful hubris all around, even among the not-so-youthful, like Greenwald.
131 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:24:43am |
Haha, I got a warning on the link that it might be junk. Not online in the English version? I will check.*
Der Spiegel devotes its entire issue this week to Germans arguing in favor of asylum for Edward Snowden http://t.co/tzZxIgrWVX— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) November 3, 2013
*Actually, no, it’s not the same.
Was Greenwald snookered again? : )
132 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:46:53am |
“Disturbing” doesn’t begin to describe this.
EBay removes Holocaust memorabilia, apologises
133 | Gus Sun, Nov 3, 2013 5:57:20am |
Hilarious. I sign in to Twitter and there’s that same pic of Chris Christie. 5 minutes in… the same one again.
135 | piratedan Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:01:43am |
re: #134 Gus
twitter - technology illustrating the herd mentality in 140 characters or less
137 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:04:29am |
138 | darthstar Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:05:56am |
What the fuck?
Skydivers leap to escape fiery collision of planes over Wisconsin. Everyone survived. http://t.co/nkODBmmKrj via @NBCNews— Jim Roberts (@nycjim) November 3, 2013
139 | Gus Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:07:02am |
Political propaganda from “Der Spiegel.” #Germany #Fringe #UsefulIdiots #Snowden pic.twitter.com/LLRy23vxwM— Gus (@Gus_802) November 3, 2013
140 | Gus Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:08:31am |
141 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:09:03am |
*HEADDESK*
Slate: “A Dark Day for Reproductive Rights.” Ah, but a great day for babies. http://t.co/k2NAVLPIf6— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) November 3, 2013
142 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:09:48am |
It’s a dark day for babies too Bryan, born to mothers who don’t want them and can’t afford to raise them.
143 | piratedan Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:12:49am |
re: #142 Vicious Babushka
It’s a dark day for babies too Bryan, born to mothers who didn’t want them and can’t afford to raise them.
no… it’s obvious that all of those mothers will find God and find the strength to raise them with straight heterosexual Christian values, if they’re white. Glory be to God…. ////////////////////////////////////////
144 | darthstar Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:14:11am |
Interesting read at this link:
The Imaginary App book exhibition is done! http://t.co/jINgTGfVQ5 @doctorow @lessig @MargaretAtwood @neilhimself pic.twitter.com/jY3B20NuBx— Paul D. Miller (@djspooky) November 3, 2013
Two tidbits to think about:
As of this writing the iPad has only been out two years and yet Apple has had over 45 billion apps downloaded, and most of them in 2012. That’s more than the sum of words humanity has generated in our entire existence as a species, and dwarfs the amount of stars in the sky.
Apps on one hand are the end result of the engineers and mathematicians who midwifed America’s Post World War II technological order - but they are uniquely purposed to end-user purposes. As a conduit for digital information to invade every aspect of modern life, they are scripts that link the way we search for small software solutions to things that we once took for granted,
145 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:20:52am |
re: #131 Justanotherhuman
Haha, I got a warning on the link that it might be junk. Not online in the English version? I will check.*
Der Spiegel devotes its entire issue this week to Germans arguing in favor of asylum for Edward Snowden
*Actually, no, it’s not the same.
Was Greenwald snookered again? : )
There are plenty of politicians in Germany who see a chance to profile themseles by befriending Snowden. Dudenbroheimers.
146 | darthstar Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:24:04am |
I have to admit, Princess Ruth Bader Ginsberg is pretty hot.
147 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:24:30am |
re: #145 Sol Berdinowitz
There are plenty of politicians in Germany who see a chance to profile themseles by befriending Snowden. Dudenbroheimers.
Yeah, but it’s fun thinking GG is nothing but a naive dumbass in reality.
149 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:28:09am |
re: #146 darthstar
I have to admit, Princess Ruth Bader Ginsberg is pretty hot.
WTF? “Holocaust Princess”? Those are actually pretty insulting in a deviant sort of way.
150 | darthstar Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:32:31am |
re: #149 Justanotherhuman
WTF? “Holocaust Princess”? Those are actually pretty insulting in a deviant sort of way.
I think the purpose is to show that there are better role models than simply charming brides-to-be - though I agree they could have given Anne Frank a better name than that.
151 | wheat-dogghazi Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:37:37am |
re: #150 darthstar
It’s also a critique of Disney’s cookie-cutter approach to female leads in cartoons: Princess Whatshername.
153 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:55:03am |
re: #150 darthstar
I think the purpose is to show that there are better role models than simply charming brides-to-be - though I agree they could have given Anne Frank a better name than that.
No, there are better ways to depict real women who have purpose in their lives. Not by stereotyping them as “princess” in a democratic society anyway. It’s a one-dimensional approach to complicated human beings and I would argue that it’s sexist.
Are famous men described as “princes”? If they’re described as royalty, they’re “kings” first and foremost, not the lesser title of prince.
154 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 6:57:44am |
Warning Russia off?
Turkey scrambles four F-16s to intercept Russian IL-20 warplane flying in parallel to Turkey's Black Sea coast.— Mahir Zeynalov (@MahirZeynalov) November 3, 2013
155 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:00:20am |
156 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:02:47am |
re: #153 Justanotherhuman
No, there are better ways to depict real women who have purpose in their lives. Not by stereotyping them as “princess” in a democratic society anyway. It’s a one-dimensional approach to complicated human beings and I would argue that it’s sexist.
Are famous men described as “princes”? If they’re described as royalty, they’re “kings” first and foremost, not the lesser title of prince.
“Merchant Prince’, “Robber Barons” and mere “Captains of Industry”. Why are we analyzing a blog cartoonist?
157 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:03:38am |
re: #156 Decatur Deb
“Merchant Prince’, “Robber Barons” and mere “Captains of Industry”. Why are we analyzing a blog cartoonist?
Because we’re bored.
158 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:05:07am |
re: #155 Varek Raith
Image: Russian_Air_Force_Ilyushin_Il-20_Naumenko-2.jpg
A tad outdated.
Looks kitted out for electronic warfare (extra nacelles).
159 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:08:21am |
re: #157 Varek Raith
Because we’re bored.
Take something expensive apart and try to put it back together.
160 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:09:30am |
re: #159 Decatur Deb
Take something expensive apart and try to put it back together.
Let’s compromise;
I’ll blow it up, you put it back together.
161 | Shiplord Kirel Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:10:57am |
re: #158 Decatur Deb
Looks kitted out for electronic warfare (extra nacelles).
A variant of the IL-18 transport, roughly comparable to (and contemporary with) the various EP-3 and EC-130 Elint aircraft used by the US. The canoe fairing is a large side looking airborne radar, used mainly for ocean reconnaissance.
162 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:14:30am |
163 | Stanley Sea Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:19:37am |
John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Sea
born on this date
164 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:19:47am |
re: #161 Shiplord Kirel
A variant of the IL-18 transport, roughly comparable to (and contemporary with) the various EP-3 and EC-130 Elint aircraft used by the US. The canoe fairing is a large side looking airborne radar, used mainly for ocean reconnaissance.
They are fans of Guns ‘n’ Roses: Use Your Ilyushin!
165 | Iwouldprefernotto Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:21:39am |
re: #163 Stanley Sea
John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Seaborn on this date
Happy Birthday. Have a sandwich and watch a Godzilla movie.
166 | makeitstop Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:31:31am |
re: #163 Stanley Sea
John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Seaborn on this date
Happy Birthday, Stanley Sea! What’s on the agenda?
167 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:33:28am |
re: #163 Stanley Sea
John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Seaborn on this date
Congratulations!!
168 | Stanley Sea Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:38:59am |
re: #166 makeitstop
Happy Birthday, Stanley Sea! What’s on the agenda?
Thank you! Prob gonna head to the beach. Nothing too extravagant.
169 | GeneJockey Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:46:09am |
re: #159 Decatur Deb
Take something expensive apart and try to put it back together.
You mean like a watch? BTDT.
170 | Backwoods_Sleuth Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:47:16am |
re: #169 GeneJockey
You mean like a watch? BTDT.
Maybe Charles can use some help installing that expensive new faucet…
171 | GeneJockey Sun, Nov 3, 2013 7:52:08am |
re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth
Maybe Charles can use some help installing that expensive new faucet…
My wife could help.
She complained for years about our kitchen faucet, and how she wanted a new one, but every time I said, “Let’s buy one and I’ll install it”, she’d say, “Nah, we should get a professional.”
Then I went on a one-week hunting trip to Montana, and when I came back, she’d done the whole thing herself, right down to going out and getting a basin wrench.
172 | Eclectic Cyborg Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:01:05am |
re: #141 Vicious Babushka
*HEADDESK*
[Embedded content]
Babies that are going to be clothed and fed and looked after by whom?
Babies that are going to have a how high percentage chance of ending up in “the system”?
Babies whose health care is going to come from where?
Also what about the mothers? Oh right, I forgot, they don’t matter.
173 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:05:28am |
174 | Stanley Sea Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:14:30am |
175 | Dr Lizardo Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:16:19am |
re: #163 Stanley Sea
John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Seaborn on this date
Happy Birthday, and don’t forget to share some cake with Godzilla.
176 | Stanley Sea Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:18:16am |
re: #173 Varek Raith
Happy birthday!
Also, yesterday was mine. :)
historyorb.com
Daniel Boone!
Pat Buchanan :-(
177 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:34:34am |
Solar eclipse…
Rare #solareclipse begins - here's the view from Tenerife http://t.co/jmg0yPS7O9 & pic.twitter.com/O9qQvqeWqd— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) November 3, 2013
178 | EmmaAnne Sun, Nov 3, 2013 8:47:41am |
re: #171 GeneJockey
My wife could help.
She complained for years about our kitchen faucet, and how she wanted a new one, but every time I said, “Let’s buy one and I’ll install it”, she’d say, “Nah, we should get a professional.”
Then I went on a one-week hunting trip to Montana, and when I came back, she’d done the whole thing herself, right down to going out and getting a basin wrench.
You’ve got to watch out for leaving on trips with your spouse at home. They get wild hairs.
179 | Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:01:00am |
Inform all the Dudebros!
“The Fountainhead” just starting on TCM.
180 | sagehen Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:01:44am |
I went to bed early last night, thinking I could watch SNL on the website.
Eminem apparently didn’t clear his appearances for online. I’m bummed. Anybody know where else I could find them?
181 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:04:09am |
182 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:04:10am |
I just talked to my son who said they’ll be commencing work soon on this scam artist’s newest church facility (he calls Furtick the new Jim Bakker) in the Birkdale shopping area of Huntersville, NC (a BR suburb of Charlotte). As you can see, the 16K sq ft house (actually only 8,400 is heated, duh) is still under construction in Waxhaw, NC (another BR suburb of Charlotte). Actually, there will be 2 new beg-a-thon facilities, another located in Ballantyne, a very upscale neighborhood in Charlotte.
The Prosperity Gospel! It pays its shills very well.
183 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:21:32am |
re: #163 Stanley Sea
John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Seaborn on this date
Happy Birthday, Baby!
184 | Stanley Sea Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:22:27am |
re: #183 Dancing along the light of day
Thank you Flo!
185 | blueraven Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:23:48am |
re: #179 Feline Fearless Leader
Inform all the Dudebros!
“The Fountainhead” just starting on TCM.
OK, the book and movie are stupid, but I love the cheezy stereotypes and the chemistry between Cooper and O’Neal make it worth watching.
186 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:25:03am |
re: #184 Stanley Sea
Do something silly, or decadent to celebrate!
Birfdays are for fun!
Sending you an imaginary chocolate cake!
(Or some REALLY good girly porn!)
187 | Stanley Sea Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:32:38am |
re: #186 Dancing along the light of day
Do something silly, or decadent to celebrate!
Birfdays are for fun!
Sending you an imaginary chocolate cake!
(Or some REALLY good girly porn!)
Ha! Was thinking of heading to the beach. As the morning progresses I think my lovely friend and I are going to make pizza, drink red wine & watch football. Much more relaxing and all that I love!
188 | FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:34:00am |
How is it today?
I have a confession to make. Hubby and I are trying to clean out the Storage Unit. I brought hone three big bins of quilting and other fabric to donate to a friend I know who sews.
I made the mistake of going thru them to make sure there wasn’t anything that wasn’t fabric in them.
I have now, after 2 weeks, refashioned 4 shirts, made 6 kids hats and 1 pair of mittens for charity and one quilt top from scraps.
Everything is going to the Shelter.
As a result, I haven’t been keeping up on the news. I’m not posting/ranting as much I know you’ve probably enjoyed the reprieve. It will probably continue until the Holidays are in full swing and we need the dining room table for actual dining.
189 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:35:21am |
Average cost of a SNAP meal: $1.49.
Average monthly SNAP cut: $36. That works out to 24 fewer meals, or 8 days’ worth which must be paid in cash or from meals made from addtl food bank help. I can make about 8 servings of pasta and marinara sauce (no meat, no cheese, no salad, etc) for about $4, but for one person, that would be monotonous, starchy and lacking in very much protein. You can eat a lot of starchy foods which will fill you up temporarily, but you’ll also be lacking in a lot of nutrition, and you may gain weight as a result.
190 | FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:35:24am |
re: #182 Justanotherhuman
I just talked to my son who said they’ll be commencing work soon on this scam artist’s newest church facility (he calls Furtick the new Jim Bakker) in the Birkdale shopping area of Huntersville, NC (a BR suburb of Charlotte). As you can see, the 16K sq ft house (actually only 8,400 is heated, duh) is still under construction in Waxhaw, NC (another BR suburb of Charlotte). Actually, there will be 2 new beg-a-thon facilities, another located in Ballantyne, a very upscale neighborhood in Charlotte.
The Prosperity Gospel! It pays its shills very well.
It’s a great gig tax haven if you can swing it.
191 | Lidane Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:35:31am |
Welcome to America. Where f*cking up a website is a worse crime than purposely denying millions of working Americans health insurance.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) November 3, 2013
192 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:36:17am |
re: #188 FemNaziBitch
How is it today?
I have a confession to make. Hubby and I are trying to clean out the Storage Unit. I brought hone three big bins of quilting and other fabric to donate to a friend I know who sews.
I made the mistake of going thru them to make sure there wasn’t anything that wasn’t fabric in them.
I have now, after 2 weeks, refashioned 4 shirts, made 6 kids hats and 1 pair of mittens for charity and one quilt top from scraps.
Everything is going to the Shelter.As a result, I haven’t been keeping up on the news. I’m not posting/ranting as much I know you’ve probably enjoyed the reprieve. It will probably continue until the Holidays are in full swing and we need the dining room table for actual dining.
Lol.
193 | Lidane Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:36:52am |
194 | FemNaziBitch Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:36:56am |
I keep hearing news stories from others about parents pimping their daughters and getting caught.
Isn’t that historically a sign of poverty more than moral depravity? You sell what you have left. Predators look for those who are vulnerable and pounce.
195 | EmmaAnne Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:38:53am |
re: #186 Dancing along the light of day
Do something silly, or decadent to celebrate!
Birfdays are for fun!
Sending you an imaginary chocolate cake!
(Or some REALLY good girly porn!)
Girly porn has hot men in it I assume? And the more the merrier.
196 | Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:41:37am |
re: #185 blueraven
OK the book and movie are stupid, but I love the cheezy stereotypes and the chemistry between Cooper and O’Neal make it worth watching.
Unfortunately a lot of people seem to take the book as a reason to believe that it’s “character” and “principles” to be an uncompromising prick with a broomstick stuck up their ass. And to make things worse a chunk of the populace has seen fit to elect some of these to public office.
197 | Justanotherhuman Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:44:04am |
re: #193 Lidane
Joel Osteen agrees.
He’s getting a bit long in the tooth, though.
Steven Furtick (only 33—dude!) likes to relate to congregations as “our generation” and draws in a lot of young people.
And you thought Sarah Palin was the queen of word salad…
198 | Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:44:52am |
Courtesy of the Schlock Mercenary site.
199 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:47:04am |
200 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:50:26am |
201 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:54:49am |
re: #195 EmmaAnne
Girly porn has hot men in it I assume? And the more the merrier.
I don’t know about the more the merrier, but well DUH it has a hot man in it!
203 | GeneJockey Sun, Nov 3, 2013 9:58:39am |
re: #201 Dancing along the light of day
I don’t know about the more the merrier, but well DUH it has a hot man in it!
What are they doing? Vacuuming, washing dishes, folding laundry, cleaning the kitchen? I find doing that often puts women in the mood…
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204 | Iwouldprefernotto Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:00:20am |
re: #203 GeneJockey
What are they doing? Vacuuming, washing dishes, folding laundry, cleaning the kitchen? I find doing that often puts women in the mood…
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In the mood for what, more cleaning?
205 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:06:58am |
206 | Dancing along the light of day Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:07:57am |
re: #203 GeneJockey
Giggles, I love a man in a uniform!
I also love a man who sails…
Youtube Video
207 | Shiplord Kirel Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:08:54am |
I’ll be completing my final escape and evacuation from Lubbock this week. A small contingent of liberals and rationalists will stay behind for a campaign of subversion and sabotage against the dominant Idiocrat faction, or perhaps because they are just too stubborn to leave.
There is an irony to this: In the 30s and 40s Lubbock was probably the most liberal and progressive city in Texas. Folk in the lynching belt, further south and east, spoke of it in hushed and scandalized tones because, among other things, vigilantes had run the Klan out of town in 1926, the local sheriff had described the newly introduced Thompson sub-machine gun as an ideal anti-lynching measure, and (wonder of wonders) blacks were routinely allowed to vote here. They still lived in rigidly segregated neighborhoods and working class whites would rush their children indoors if blacks appeared on the street, but you can’t have everything.
208 | b_sharp Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:15:15am |
re: #163 Stanley Sea
John Montague, 4th Earl of Sandwich, inventor (sandwich)
Stephen Fuller Austin, Virginia USA, colonized Texas
Bob Feller, American baseball pitcher (Cleveland Indian, 3 no-hitters)
Michael S Dukakis, (Gov-D-Mass, 1988 Pres Candidate)
Adam Ant, [Stuart Goddard], London, English punk rocker
Godzilla, Japanese monster (Godzilla)
Stanley Seaborn on this date
Happy birthday old man, er.., aging gracefully woman.
209 | b_sharp Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:18:13am |
re: #171 GeneJockey
My wife could help.
She complained for years about our kitchen faucet, and how she wanted a new one, but every time I said, “Let’s buy one and I’ll install it”, she’d say, “Nah, we should get a professional.”
Then I went on a one-week hunting trip to Montana, and when I came back, she’d done the whole thing herself, right down to going out and getting a basin wrench.
Several years ago, my dad and his wife decided to replace not the faucet but just the washers in the faucet. They didn’t turn the water off. The water pressure soaked the ceiling as well as the floor.
I laughed.
210 | b_sharp Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:18:46am |
re: #173 Varek Raith
Happy birthday!
Also, yesterday was mine. :)
historyorb.com
Happy belated old dog.
211 | b_sharp Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:32:46am |
re: #199 Varek Raith
CBS “Eyewitness” Admits He Lied About Benghazi Attack While Bashing Critics
LMFAO
212 | prairiefire Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:48:02am |
213 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:36:18am |
214 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:38:31am |
re: #146 darthstar
I have to admit, Princess Ruth Bader Ginsberg is pretty hot.
Where is Ayn Rand Princess?
Oh yeah, she’s Cruella DeVille.