If You Accuse Rand Paul of Plagiarism, He’d Like to Kill You

That’s what a duel is

Loony libertarian Rand Paul is feeling the heat from criticisms that he has repeatedly engaged in plagiarism in his speeches, and today on ABC’s This Week he expressed a desire to kill his critics: Rand Paul on Plagiarism Charges: If Dueling Were Legal in Kentucky…

Sen. Rand Paul said Sunday that accusations of plagiarism in his speeches makes [sic] him wish dueling were legal in Kentucky.

“I take it as an insult, and I will not lie down and say people can call me dishonest, misleading or misrepresenting — I have never intentionally done so and like I say, ‘If dueling were legal in Kentucky, if they keep it up, you know it’d be a duel challenge,’ ” Paul said on ABC’s “This Week.”

Yes, that’s what he’s saying; if it were legal, he’d really like to go all 187 on Rachel Maddow.

It’s a joke, of course! One of those hilarious knee-slappers the right wing is famous for.

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1 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:34:14am

What’s it with wingnuts and joking about killing? And Rand it seems you did plagiarize so get the hell over yourself and confront the allegations like a man instead of pining for the antebellum days like you always do.

2 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:34:39am

Fun Kentucky factoid: The oath of office for governor specifically mentions dueling.

I do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of this Commonwealth, and be faithful and true to the Commonwealth of Kentucky so long as I continue to be a citizen thereof, and that I will faithfully execute, to the best of my ability, the office of Governor according to law; and I do further solemnly swear that since the adoption of the present Constitution, I, being a citizen of this state, have not fought a duel with deadly weapons within this state, nor out of it, nor have I sent or accepted a challenge to fight a duel with deadly weapons, nor have I acted as second in carrying a challenge, nor aided or assisted any person thus offending, so help me God.”[46]

wiki: governor of Kentucky

3 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:35:49am

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fun Kentucky factoid: The oath of office for governor specifically mentions dueling.

wiki: governor of Kentucky

Well it’s a good thing that Rand’s merely a senator.// Seriously what’s wrong with this guy? I mean I get it, he’s offended that he had his integrity question. Biden got accused of plagiarism too but Biden didn’t talk about killing the accuser either.

4 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:38:29am

I can’t wait to hear the “I was misquoted” explanations …

5 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:39:01am

Poor baby is upset, and so glad dueling is illegal because it means he can threaten to duel knowing it isn’t possible. It gives him a nice safe place to play the badly maligned victim who would do something manly to recover his honour if only the bad government didn’t prevent it.

6 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:40:11am

re: #5 b_sharp

Poor baby is upset, and so glad dueling is illegal because it means he can threaten to duel knowing it isn’t possible. It gives him a nice safe place to play the badly maligned victim who would do something manly to recover his honour if only the bad government didn’t prevent it.

His problem is he didn’t have any honor in the first place. For Maddow to have questioned his honor, it’s something he would have had to possess in the first place.

7 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:43:06am

“If dueling were legal in Kentucky….”

My money would be on Maddow. True, there is no evidence she has any interest in shooting or guns but given her focus, steel nerves, and general intelligence a couple of weeks of intensive training and practice might do the trick. This is especially so since it would be unencumbered by the usual trainload of right-wing macho emotional baggage.

8 Lidane  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:44:30am
9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:45:26am

Rachel Maddow at the Westside Pistol Rifle Range - Video

10 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:48:06am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

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Rachel Maddow at the Westside Pistol Rifle Range - Video

Well, what do you know! So I was wrong, wouldn’t be the first time.

11 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:48:07am
12 Botsplainer  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:48:14am

As a Kentucky lawyer, I had to swear I’d never fought in a duel when I was sworn in.

It was genuinely stupid, and we all laughed about it.

13 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:49:07am

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

Well, what do you know! So I was wrong, wouldn’t be the first time.

I know, I was a little surprised too!

14 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:49:15am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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What, no “Ent Crossing” signs?

15 b.d.  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:49:56am

Gentlemen don’t hit women. Shooting at them? Well, that’s a horse of a different color.

//

17 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:55:20am
18 ausador  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:56:19am

So he would get his Fox skin gloves out and slap Maddow across the face with them? He better be careful because Maddow as the challenged party gets to make the choice of weapon.

Maddow is liable to choose foils (instead of the pistols he is counting on) and then run him through with one.

I call Dibs on the Pay-per-view rights!!!

19 b.d.  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:56:36am

To be clear though, he did write the tenets of AquaBuddhism all by himself.

20 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:57:37am
21 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:58:34am

re: #6 HappyWarrior

His problem is he didn’t have any honor in the first place. For Maddow to have questioned his honor, it’s something he would have had to possess in the first place.

Shhh. Don’t inject reality into his fiction.

22 b.d.  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 10:59:31am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Damn Charles, you’re 2 for 2 on being on the right ideological side of 60 Minute’s scandals.

23 jonhendry  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:04:10am

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel

I believe her first date with her long-time partner was a trip to a shooting range.

24 b.d.  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:05:44am

Duels can also be done with swords…….just sayin.

25 Kragar  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:05:49am

“I have never intentionally done so.”

I can believe Rand is dumb enough not to realize it.

26 Kragar  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:06:22am

re: #24 b.d.

Duels can also be done with swords…….just sayin.

It could be a battle of wits, but Rand is unarmed.

27 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:06:45am

re: #23 jonhendry

I believe her first date with her long-time partner was a trip to a shooting range.

Aren’t they married yet?

28 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:07:23am

re: #24 b.d.

Duels can also be done with swords…….just sayin.

He challenges, she chooses.

29 AntonSirius  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:07:50am
…like I say, ‘If dueling were legal in Kentucky…’

…an arrogant, unlikable dipshit like yourself wouldn’t have lived long enough to get to college, Rand.

30 Kragar  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:08:13am

re: #28 b_sharp

He challenges, she chooses.

The traditional whips on a rotating platform with spikes.

31 ausador  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:08:49am

Pistols, Foils, and Sabers were all accepted options back in the day, pistols being the new comer in the mix. The person challenged to a Duel of Honor was the one who got to make the weapon selection.

Rational in a way if you think about it, just because maybe you were exceptionally fast at quick aim and fire with a pistol didn’t mean you could necessarily feel comfortable going around handing out challenges. The person you challenged might turn out to be a fencing master…

32 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:09:26am
33 jonhendry  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:10:08am

re: #27 b_sharp

Apparently not. I guess lesbian couples aren’t required to get married when it becomes legal. ;^)

34 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:12:03am

re: #30 Kragar

The traditional whips on a rotating platform with spikes.

Then it becomes a strictly spectator sport.

35 b.d.  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:12:42am

re: #33 jonhendry

Apparently not. I guess lesbian couples aren’t required to get married when it becomes legal. ;^)

hahaha, I guess it doesn’t matter to the Bryan Fischer types. Maybe he can thank them for not getting married?

36 ObserverArt  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:12:52am

re: #4 FemNaziBitch

I can’t wait to hear the “I was misquoted” explanations …

He was not misquoted. There is a two or more part theme to this throwing of meat product.

1. Rand is a tough guy and he is not going to let the mainstream media get him and stop his one-man saving of America.

2. Rachel Maddow is gay. Need I say more?

3. Maybe. Wiki and arts are here for our taking. Is this any different than many Republicans stealing songs for campaigns and not attributing or acknowledging the artist does like your politics.

Base politics at best. It seems to be the only place many Republicans want to play these days.

I also get the feeling Rand is gonna blow. Just wait until he commits to a national election process. He is going to get ripped to shreds and his not going to like it. He’ll say something really stupid and over the top. I think he can be counted on for that.

37 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:13:07am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Quit doing this, I’m trying to go cold Twitter turkey.

38 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:13:52am

re: #33 jonhendry

Apparently not. I guess lesbian couples aren’t required to get married when it becomes legal. ;^)

True, but when only a few states make it legal you just have to wonder.

39 Kragar  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:14:08am

My Dad’s motorcycle club is doing their big annual ride today and they dedicated the event to him. They also printed up shirts with the rules he established for the club for everyone.

40 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:14:59am

re: #36 ObserverArt

He was not misquoted. There is a two or more part theme to this throwing of meat product.

1. Rand is a tough guy and he is not going to let the mainstream media get him and stop his one-man saving of America.

2. Rachel Maddow is gay. Need I say more?

3. Maybe. Wiki and arts are here for our taking. Is this any different than many Republicans stealing songs for campaigns and not attributing or acknowledging the artist does like your politics.

Base politics at best. It seems to be the only place many Republicans want to play these days.

I also get the feeling Rand is gonna blow. Just wait until he commits to a national election process. He is going to get ripped to shreds and his not going to like it. He’ll say something really stupid and over the top. I think he can be counted on for that.

Don’t forget, Dr. Maddow is gay.

41 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:17:51am
42 Good Morning  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:18:06am

re: #1 HappyWarrior“What’s it with wingnuts and joking about killing? ” When you don’t control the executive branch all you can do is joke about it. That’s called separation of powers.

43 b.d.  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:18:25am

re: #39 Kragar

My Dad’s motorcycle club is doing their big annual ride today and they dedicated the event to him. They also printed up shirts with the rules he established for the club for everyone.

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How cool.

44 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:19:21am

re: #39 Kragar

My Dad’s motorcycle club is doing their big annual ride today and they dedicated the event to him. They also printed up shirts with the rules he established for the club for everyone.

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Like those rules a lot!

45 scottslemmons  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:19:39am

His supporters tried to curbstomp an opponent, he gets a lot of love from white-power groups, he fantasizes about dueling — his entire appeal is based around his acceptance of thuggery and bullying…

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:20:30am

I would also like to point out that Rand is from Texas, not Kentucky…

47 sagehen  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:22:37am

re: #33 jonhendry

Apparently not. I guess lesbian couples aren’t required to get married when it becomes legal. ;^)

They live in Massachusetts, I’m pretty sure they’ve been married for years.

48 b.d.  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:23:07am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would also like to point out that Rand is from Texas, not Kentucky…

And as a Texan, I would like to point out that Paul was born in Pittsburgh, PA 5 years before the entire crazy clan moved down here.

49 b.d.  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:25:34am

re: #41 Charles Johnson

I could probably buy that monument cheap and name it after me.

50 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:25:42am

re: #39 Kragar

So VERY VERY COOL. Hugs to you!

51 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:26:58am

re: #48 b.d.

And as a Texan, I would like to point out that Paul was born in Pittsburgh, PA 5 years before the entire crazy clan moved down here.

He’s a reverse reverse carpetbagger, then!

52 GlutenFreeJesus  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:29:55am

He’s probably never even shot a gun, much less shot one.

53 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:30:38am
54 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:35:24am

Speakings of Star Wars, apparently Disney’s in a rush to make it a disaster. They want it out in Summer ‘15 because they’ve already positioned that year’s revenues (read: toys) around it, but Abrams wants to stretch it out til the following summer.

55 blueraven  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:35:57am

Shades of Zell Miller who suggested he would like to challenge Chris Matthews to a duel

“I wish we lived in the day when you could challenge a person to a duel”

Youtube Video

56 Lidane  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:37:02am

re: #55 blueraven

57 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:41:11am

So Rand Paul says stuff like this but we’re supposed to believe the LAX shooter was some kind of lone wolf outlier?

Okay then, got it.

58 Lidane  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:42:25am

re: #57 Eclectic Cyborg

So Rand Paul says stuff like this but we’re supposed to believe the LAX shooter was some kind of lone wolf outlier?

Okay then, got it.

Sure. Just like the nutbar here in Austin who burned his house down and flew his plane into an FBI building.

59 ObserverArt  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:44:45am

re: #40 b_sharp

Don’t forget, Dr. Maddow is gay.

Well…that was one of my main points. Maybe you missed it since I used Rachel and you used Dr.

: )

60 ObserverArt  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:47:14am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would also like to point out that Rand is from Texas, not Kentucky…

Yep. A true carpetbagger.

61 jvic  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:48:14am

The Internet Archive scans Paul’s site regularly. As of this writing, the last two scans happened on October 24 and November 2.

My impression is that their scans can sometimes be incomplete. Nevertheless there is reason to think that the deletion efforts may not work as well as intended, especially if the alleged plagiarism was a regular, longstanding practice. Here, for example, is the transcript of Paul’s speech to the Values Voters Summit.

62 BaronHaynes  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:51:59am

It’s generally a bad idea to look up to politicians as saviors, but Rand Paul is among the ones that get that treatment anyway (fwiw, so was Obama in some circles, and so is Ted Cruz). The libertarian fantasy that he’s a serious legislator and is the only one who has the real principles of the country at heart is frequently deflated by weird stuff like this. He just seems to think that negative labels never apply to him, no matter how accurately they describe his behavior, for reasons he can’t articulate.

Of course, no politician is ever going to admit to being a plagiarist, but there’s a tried-and-true method of apologizing for a “lapse in judgment” or whatever and then staying quiet on the topic for a long time. Or, you can take the “how dare you” approach and try to turn it around on your critics, no matter how stupid you look, and hope it eventually disappears.

BTW, I guarantee a lot of the same conservatives who are coming up with creative explanations or deflections on his behalf have absolutely no problem with sneering at Joe Biden for doing 30 years ago. Or that whole thing with Obama borrowing (with permission!) bits of speeches from Deval Patrick in 2008. Rand Paul lifting text from Wikipedia or news articles verbatim, though…it comes off more as lazy than anything.

63 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:52:34am

re: #59 ObserverArt

Well…that was one of my main points. Maybe you missed it since I used Rachel and you used Dr.

: )

That’s OK.

Don’t forget to point out that Dr. Maddow is gay.


Sorry, I was just milking my absurdist homour for all it is worth.

64 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:55:51am

The thing about guys like Rand Paul is they know their target audience isn’t going to bother fact checking them and take everything they say as Gospel.

And if there are accusations of improper dealings…well that’s just the evil Liberal media out to get him.

65 b_sharp  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 11:57:56am

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

The thing about guys like Rand Paul is they know their target audience isn’t going to bother fact checking them and take everything they say as Gospel.

And if there are accusations of improper dealings…well that’s just the evil Liberal media out to get him.

That’s what living in a bubble is all about.

66 ausador  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 12:03:33pm

Bob Newhart will soon reveal his awesome Kung-Fu skills, what movie am I watching?

67 darthstar  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 12:06:19pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Back when one actually filmed the film credits.

68 darthstar  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 12:08:04pm
69 JamesWI  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 12:11:09pm

This has been up on Buzzfeed this weekend, don’t know if you’ve missed it:

Three Pages Of Rand Paul’s Book Were Plagiarized From Think Tanks

An entire section of Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul’s 2013 book Government Bullies was copied wholesale from a 2003 case study by the Heritage Foundation, BuzzFeed has learned. The copied section, 1,318 words, is by far the most significant instance reported so far of Paul borrowing language from other published material.

The new cut-and-paste job follows reports by BuzzFeed, Politico, and MSNBC that Paul had plagiarized speeches either from Wikipedia or news reports. The book was published in August 2013 by Center Street, a division of Hachette Book Group.

In this case, Paul included a link to the Heritage case study in the book’s footnotes, though he made no effort to indicate that not just the source, but the words themselves, had been taken from Heritage.

70 jvic  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 12:27:59pm

With the transcript deletions, Paul doubled down on a bad situation. (“It’s not the crime that gets you, it’s the coverup.”)

He can double down again by noting that Andrew Jackson—Democrat!—fought a duel, or, citing Harry Truman—Democrat!!—and the music critic, by threatening a specific reporter with bodily harm.

That’ll work. /

71 Justanotherhuman  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 12:30:30pm

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

The thing about guys like Rand Paul is they know their target audience isn’t going to bother fact checking them and take everything they say as Gospel.

And if there are accusations of improper dealings…well that’s just the evil Liberal media out to get him.

Haha, pros and cons of board certification—does it matter?

Check out the very last comment.

kevinmd.com

I’d like to be assured that the specialist I from whom I sought treatment had completed a residency in that specialty and had passed testing for it. I think we’ve all seen some of the results of plastic surgery, for instance, in which physicians without the requisite training and testing have tried to cash in. Just imagine someone practicing heart or brain surgery without it.

I don’t think I’d allow “Dr. Paul” to operate on me if I had cataracts. We think he graduated from Duke Medical School, he says he did, but other than that, we don’t know about his residency, or other than he says he was Board certified at one point by the American Board of Ophthalmology, then refused to be re-certified under their changed rules, establishing his own “board”.

Rand Paul Chooses National Board Of Ophthalmology Certification instead of ABO

forums.studentdoctor.net

“Beth Ann Slembarski, administrator for the American Board of Ophthalmology, said less than 5 percent of the nation’s practicing ophthalmologists aren’t certified through her organization.”

So, how many are actually certified or “recertified” under the Paulists?

There were approximately 18,305 ophthalmologists in the US in 2009.

aao.org

72 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 12:31:58pm

re: #24 b.d.

Duels can also be done with swords…….just sayin.

Which is why if Sen. Paul wishes to challenge me it will be sabres.

Although I’m better with a katana. Sai are my favourite though.

73 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 12:37:11pm

re: #31 ausador

Pistols, Foils, and Sabers were all accepted options back in the day, pistols being the new comer in the mix. The person challenged to a Duel of Honor was the one who got to make the weapon selection.

Rational in a way if you think about it, just because maybe you were exceptionally fast at quick aim and fire with a pistol didn’t mean you could necessarily feel comfortable going around handing out challenges. The person you challenged might turn out to be a fencing master…

The least successful duel I ever read about was between a bully, who made a point of challenging people who were not the best at any form of fighting, and a supposed victim.

The victim chose stonemason’s hammers as the weapons and a coal cellar with the door closed as the venue. Neither could even lift the weapons and even if they could they couldn’t find their opponent.

Brains always trumps brawn.

74 Interesting Times  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 12:42:15pm

“I take it as an insult, and I will not lie down and say people can call me dishonest, misleading or misrepresenting

Oh dear. Does that mean Rand Paul wants to shoot himself now?

“Actually, I do,” said the ophthalmologist-turned-senator, who stays sharp (and keeps his license) by doing pro bono eye surgeries during congressional breaks. “I never, ever cheated. I don’t condone cheating. But I would sometimes spread misinformation. This is a great tactic. Misinformation can be very important.”

He went on to describe studying for a pathology test with friends in the library. “We spread the rumor that we knew what was on the test and it was definitely going to be all about the liver,” he said. “We tried to trick all of our competing students into over-studying for the liver” and not studying much else.

“So, that’s my advice,” he concluded. “Misinformation works.

75 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 3, 2013 1:30:07pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

I would also like to point out that Rand is from Texas, not Kentucky…

I would also like to point out that Kentucky is from Virginia…

76 BusyMonster  Mon, Nov 4, 2013 7:10:37am

re: #5 b_sharp

Poor baby is upset, and so glad dueling is illegal because it means he can threaten to duel knowing it isn’t possible. It gives him a nice safe place to play the badly maligned victim who would do something manly to recover his honour if only the bad government didn’t prevent it.

Oh, the Pauls are all about big empty loudmouthed talk that implies no consequences. Also, still remembering how Rand Pauls’ fucking Jack Booted goddamn Thugs curb-stomped a protestor here a couple of years back.

he can run his chickenshit wussy mouth from behind all that security, but that won’t make Rand Paul a real man. He’s still a feeble puff of nothing pretending he’s got something useful to say.

What a piece of shit.


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