1 | kerFuFFler Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:13:42am |
Just thought I’d share this lightly redacted letter my father, now 91, received about three years ago from someone who had served under him in Germany in the 1950’s. (Make sure to read the last little bit even if you skim the rest.) Happy Veteran’s Day!
Dear Captain F———-
I use the title of Capt. because that is what you were when I was a Specialist 4th class in the 318th, Headquarters Company in the Army Security Agency in Herzogenaurach, Germany. I was gratified to see your name in the Herzo Base listing.
I am writing you this letter because you may not know the impact your efficiency, fair treatment and kindness had on me and I am certain on many other men. Kindness seems a strange word to describe an Army officer and it’s inclusion in a sentence with the other word, efficiency, seems a little incongruous. I will try to explain my thought.
I remember you replacing a “spit and polish” officer who seemed more interested in discipline than in getting our mission accomplished. We enlisted folks were cautious when you arrived, but relaxed and did a better job after we learned that you really cared about the mission and the personnel. If we got wind that an IG inspection was about to take place we went to extraordinary lengths to make sure that Captain F———-’s troops were more sharp for the inspection than any of the other CO’s. We appreciated being treated as productive soldiers. We would not let any bad inspection report tarnish your record.
After working in management for several trucking companies, such as United Parcel, I opened a company of my own. I had worked for large corporations and continued to look for the heart and soul of those companies, but I kept bumping into their bureaucrats, computers and rulebooks. My natural inclination toward kindness in dealings with my subordinates had earned me the reputation of “too soft” among the top level bureaucrats. This was even though my crews were posting the best production and safety records. I believed the kind dealings with my employees were not only nice, but it was also very good business. “Spit and polish” micro-managers could achieve results only when they were continually on top of their underlings. The kind and efficient managers obtain good results when they are not even around. I knew this to be true because I had seen it work for you.
I started my company with one employee——me. On the year I sold my company we had 2,700 employees. People who worked for my firm, N——— C——— in City of Industry, Calif., still talk about it as the best place they ever worked.
Thank you for the great example. I feel certain that you must have felt the sting of “too soft” during your military duty, but you were right and THEY were wrong.
Sincerely,
(name withheld)
P.S. I may not have been the perfect soldier, but I was pretty good. I do have a confession to make. I used to be able to sign your name to 3 day passes so well, that on one occasion you reviewed one and said “Yes, I can see that I signed it but I just didn’t remember it.” I apologize now that it’s too late for you to put me on KP. I think I’ll try one more time for old time’s sake.
And then there is what appeared to be my dad’s signature!
3 | darthstar Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:20:33am |
re: #1 kerFuFFler
That’s fuckin’ awesome…especially the part about 3 day passes.
4 | Stanley Sea Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:20:44am |
re: #1 kerFuFFler
Just thought I’d share this letter my father, now 91, received about three years ago from someone who had served under him. (Make sure to read the last little bit even if you skim the rest.) Happy Veteran’s Day!
Dear Captain F———-
I use the title of Capt. because that is what you were when I was a Specialist 4th class in the 318th, Headquarters Company in the Army Security Agency in Herzogenaurach, Germany. I was gratified to see your name in the Herzo Base listing.
I am writing you this letter because you may not know the impact your efficiency, fair treatment and kindness had on me and I am certain on many other men. Kindness seems a strange word to describe an Army officer and it’s inclusion in a sentence with the other word, efficiency, seems a little incongruous. I will try to explain my thought.
I remember you replacing a “spit and polish” officer who seemed more interested in discipline than in getting our mission accomplished. We enlisted folks were cautious when you arrived, but relaxed and did a better job after we learned that you really cared about the mission and the personnel. If we got wind that an IG inspection was about to take place we went to extraordinary lengths to make sure that Captain F———-’s troops were more sharp for the inspection than any of the other CO’s. We appreciated being treated as productive soldiers. We would not let any bad inspection report tarnish your record.
After working in management for several trucking companies, such as United Parcel, I opened a company of my own. I had worked for large corporations and continued to look for the heart and soul of those companies, but I kept bumping into their bureaucrats, computers and rulebooks. My natural inclination toward kindness in dealings with my subordinates had earned me the reputation of “too soft” among the top level bureaucrats. This was even though my crews were posting the best production and safety records. I believed the kind dealings with my employees were not only nice, but it was also very good business. “Spit and polish” micro-managers could achieve results only when they were continually on top of their underlings. The kind and efficient managers obtain good results when they are not even around. I knew this to be true because I had seen it work for you.
I started my company with one employee——me. On the year I sold my company we had 2,700 employees. People who worked for my firm, N——— C——— in City of Industry, Calif., still talk about it as the best place they ever worked.
Thank you for the great example. I feel certain that you must have felt the sting of “too soft” during your military duty, but you were right and THEY were wrong.
Sincerely,
(name withheld)>P.S. I may not have been the perfect soldier, but I was pretty good. I do have a confession to make. I used to be able to sign your name to 3 day passes so well, that on one occasion you reviewed one and said “Yes, I can see that I signed it but I just didn’t remember it.” I apologize now that it’s too late for you to put me on KP. I think I’ll try one more time for old time’s sake.
And then there is what appeared to be my dad’s signature!
Beautiful.
5 | HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:24:07am |
re: #1 kerFuFFler
Just thought I’d share this lightly redacted letter my father, now 91, received about three years ago from someone who had served under him in Germany in the 1950’s. (Make sure to read the last little bit even if you skim the rest.) Happy Veteran’s Day!
Dear Captain F———-
I use the title of Capt. because that is what you were when I was a Specialist 4th class in the 318th, Headquarters Company in the Army Security Agency in Herzogenaurach, Germany. I was gratified to see your name in the Herzo Base listing.
I am writing you this letter because you may not know the impact your efficiency, fair treatment and kindness had on me and I am certain on many other men. Kindness seems a strange word to describe an Army officer and it’s inclusion in a sentence with the other word, efficiency, seems a little incongruous. I will try to explain my thought.
I remember you replacing a “spit and polish” officer who seemed more interested in discipline than in getting our mission accomplished. We enlisted folks were cautious when you arrived, but relaxed and did a better job after we learned that you really cared about the mission and the personnel. If we got wind that an IG inspection was about to take place we went to extraordinary lengths to make sure that Captain F———-’s troops were more sharp for the inspection than any of the other CO’s. We appreciated being treated as productive soldiers. We would not let any bad inspection report tarnish your record.
After working in management for several trucking companies, such as United Parcel, I opened a company of my own. I had worked for large corporations and continued to look for the heart and soul of those companies, but I kept bumping into their bureaucrats, computers and rulebooks. My natural inclination toward kindness in dealings with my subordinates had earned me the reputation of “too soft” among the top level bureaucrats. This was even though my crews were posting the best production and safety records. I believed the kind dealings with my employees were not only nice, but it was also very good business. “Spit and polish” micro-managers could achieve results only when they were continually on top of their underlings. The kind and efficient managers obtain good results when they are not even around. I knew this to be true because I had seen it work for you.
I started my company with one employee——me. On the year I sold my company we had 2,700 employees. People who worked for my firm, N——— C——— in City of Industry, Calif., still talk about it as the best place they ever worked.
Thank you for the great example. I feel certain that you must have felt the sting of “too soft” during your military duty, but you were right and THEY were wrong.
Sincerely,
(name withheld)>P.S. I may not have been the perfect soldier, but I was pretty good. I do have a confession to make. I used to be able to sign your name to 3 day passes so well, that on one occasion you reviewed one and said “Yes, I can see that I signed it but I just didn’t remember it.” I apologize now that it’s too late for you to put me on KP. I think I’ll try one more time for old time’s sake.
And then there is what appeared to be my dad’s signature!
Beautiful letter. I really wish I knew more about my grandfather’s time in the service but it really wasn’t something he talked about until the end.Love how he got away with forging your old man’s signature. That’s a hoot.
6 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:24:17am |
Sort of hinges on the difference between treating the men as human beings who can be interacted with and animals who need to be whipped and punished into behaving.
7 | PhillyPretzel Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:26:18am |
re: #1 kerFuFFler
It reminds me of, “Do unto others as you want done to you.”
8 | kerFuFFler Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:29:11am |
I am so thankful that he took the time to track down my dad and write such a lovely letter! I feel like it has added years to my dad’s life. So I hope that people everywhere remember to thank veterans and anyone else (like teachers!) that have made a big difference in their lives.
9 | psddluva4evah Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:31:05am |
The US oldest living Veteran on record, is an African American WWII veteran. He’s 107 years old. Today he met President Obama.
Happy Veteran’s Day!
10 | darthstar Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:32:02am |
Senator Inhofe’s son killed in small plane crash yesterday. Condolences.
11 | Eclectic Cyborg Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:32:22am |
My grandfather was a Canadian sailor who thankfully shared a lot with me about his service. If I ever had to serve it would be in the Navy.
12 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:33:02am |
I note that Veteran’s Day is one of the days where the entire spectrum of Lizard opinion is unified in that our country’s veterans (regardless of country) deserve our thanks and respect for the time and even greater sacrifices they have made.
13 | leftynyc Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:33:16am |
re: #10 darthstar
Senator Inhofe’s son killed in small plane crash yesterday. Condolences.
That’s awful - the family has my deepest sympathies.
14 | HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:33:19am |
re: #9 psddluva4evah
The US oldest living Veteran on record, is an African American WWII veteran. He’s 107 years old. Today he met President Obama.
Happy Veteran’s Day!
He sounds like a neat old guy. Whiskey in his coffee every morning. President Obama seemed humbled to meet him. What a thrill for this guy though. Born in 1906/07. Old enough to rememebr some of the worst acts of violence in the South committed against AA but still serves his country nonetheless and gets to meet our nation’s first AA president.
15 | HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:34:00am |
re: #10 darthstar
Senator Inhofe’s son killed in small plane crash yesterday. Condolences.
Yeah, terrible. Condolences to his family.
17 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:35:13am |
re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg
My grandfather was a Canadian sailor who thankfully shared a lot with me about his service. If I ever had to serve it would be in the Navy.
My Dad was in the Navy, WW2 Pacific. He said he joined because “in the Navy you get to take a shower every day.”
18 | ausador Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:35:34am |
O.T.
Gahh, who knew that you couldn’t just buy any old PC-2700 DDR-333 unbuffered, non-ecc memory to upgrade an old Dell Dimension 3000?
The part I was sweating which was upgrading the CPU from a 2.4Ghz to a 3.4Ghz P4 went perfectly. Then I tried to step the memory up from a single 512Mb card to two 1Gb cards, and all I could get was an error beep code.
I robbed two 512Mb cards from an old HP I have here and they worked fine, and both new 1Gb cards work fine in the HP. I had a deadline to return the computer so I took it back with only 1Gb of physical memory installed (it had 512Mb before).
Now that I had time to look up what the problem is I discovered that the Intel “bridge” chipsets on the motherboard will not recognize high density memory chips. Nothing above 64Mb per Dram chip while the memory I was sold uses 128Mb “high density” chips.
Fuck you Intel, really WTF? Why do VIA and SIS chipsets from the same time period recognize high density memory but your chipsets wont?
Sigh…sorry, I just haven’t had the misfortune of running into this particular stupidity before. :(
19 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:36:24am |
re: #17 Vicious Babushka
My Dad was in the Navy, WW2 Pacific. He said he joined because “in the Navy you get to take a shower every day.”
20 | kerFuFFler Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:38:03am |
re: #5 HappyWarrior
Beautiful letter. I really wish I knew more about my grandfather’s time in the service but it really wasn’t something he talked about until the end.Love how he got away with forging your old man’s signature. That’s a hoot.
My dad kept most of his experiences from WWII to himself until very recently——-they were pretty disturbing. When he was recounting one to me, he got very choked up and I suddenly realized just how young he had been when he had had to confront such horrors. My youngest son is about that age now! But, of course, young soldiers face such things in every war. All the more reason to be appreciative of their service!
21 | psddluva4evah Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:38:16am |
Happy Veteran's Day. The oldest US living Veteran on record. He's 107 years old. pic.twitter.com/uNJVO5mJEz— Nelly B (@psddluva4evah) November 11, 2013
Oldest US Veteran. World War 2 Vet Richard Overton pic.twitter.com/aASFUOgYVL
— Nelly B (@psddluva4evah) November 11, 2013
22 | HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:39:12am |
I really need to rewatch Band of Brothers and watch The Pacific. I’m in awe of the men and women of that generation did. I’m 26 now. Two years older than my grandfather was when he got home from Korea and presently the best shape of my life and I still don’t know how he did it. He as I said didn’t talk about it much but when he did, he’d talk about some of the coldest weather conditions you can imagine and then I think about how I can’t handle just around freezing temps and how he did it below zero in a foxhole.
23 | HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:40:33am |
re: #20 kerFuFFler
My dad kept most of his experiences from WWII to himself until very recently——-they were pretty disturbing. When he was recounting one to me, he got very choked up and I suddenly realized just how young he had been when he had had to confront such horrors. My youngest son is about that age now! But, of course, young soldiers face such things in every war. All the more reason to be appreciative of their service!
Absolutely. I’m a little older than my grandfather was when he got home. I don’t know how he did it. One thing I’ve noticed about many of the veterans I’ve had the honor of knowing is how sincerely humble these men and women are.
24 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:40:50am |
re: #17 Vicious Babushka
My Dad was in the Navy, WW2 Pacific. He said he joined because “in the Navy you get to take a shower every day.”
I can relate, though I when I enlisted I chose tanks since I couldn’t swim very well and at least got to ride to my doom :) Later on I was in the infantry and, alas, got used to walking everywhere.
25 | William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:43:10am |
re: #18 ausador
O.T.
…
Now that I had time to look up what the problem is I discovered that the Intel “bridge” chipsets on the motherboard will not recognize high density memory chips. Nothing above 64Mb per Dram chip while the memory I was sold uses 128Mb “high density” chips.
:(
Oh, good to know. I’ve got an old Optiplex that I want to bump from 512m to 2g. I better look at it’s mem specs more carefully than I have (which is cheapest) before buying.
26 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:54:02am |
Very interesting article:
Our Reuters investigation into business empire of Iran's supreme leader http://t.co/LOgJlKkxRa w/ @yjtorbati and @stecklow #iran— Babak Dehghanpisheh (@BabakDehghan) November 11, 2013
27 | Stoatly Mon, Nov 11, 2013 11:56:10am |
re: #24 William Barnett-Lewis
I can relate, though I when I enlisted I chose tanks since I couldn’t swim very well and at least got to ride to my doom :) Later on I was in the infantry and, alas, got used to walking everywhere.
I wish I could remember who exactly, but there was someone who chose to become a tanker because he “wanted to go into battle sitting down”
28 | Shiplord Kirel Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:10:38pm |
re: #26 Charles Johnson
Another crooked preacher, different costume, different spiel, same stench.
“Whether the water is salt or fresh, shit floats.”
-alleged to be an old Russian proverb
29 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:15:36pm |
please conservatives, more explaining to black people what slavery REALLY was http://t.co/AN0iT2WTG8— Oliver Willis (@owillis) November 11, 2013
*HEADDESK*
FYI @marclamonthill, slavery comes in many forms and overbearing government debt forced on the people is one of them— Katie Pavlich (@KatiePavlich) November 11, 2013
30 | ausador Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:17:11pm |
re: #28 Shiplord Kirel
Another crooked preacher, different costume, different spiel, same stench.
“Whether the water is salt or fresh, shit floats.”
-alleged to be an old Russian proverb
It only floats if you are eating too much fat… :p
31 | Charles Johnson Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:17:44pm |
re: #28 Shiplord Kirel
The really interesting part is that Khamenei uses this enormous wealth only for the power it gives him. He doesn’t appear to be personally corrupt - has an almost ascetic lifestyle. But much of this fortune was accumulated by seizing property from rightful owners.
32 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:18:03pm |
SO MUCH DERP IN ONE TWEET
If not for our WWII veterans you Communist Democrat nut jobs would be speaking German or Japanese now! #P2 #UniteBlue #VeteransDay— Chuck Nellis (@ChuckNellis) November 11, 2013
33 | bratwurst Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:18:18pm |
Ok, time to unfollow.
Interviewing @SarahPalinUSA tomorrow about her new Christmas book + more. What would you ask her? Use #PalinQs— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) November 11, 2013
34 | Lidane Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:18:52pm |
re: #32 Vicious Babushka
Because veterans are uniformly Republican. WTF.
35 | allegro Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:19:47pm |
OT but too delightful to not share:
As her studio audience laughed with delight, Goddard, who is black, told Cobb that test results revealed his genetic ancestry was 86 European and 14 percent sub-Saharan African.
Cobb took in the news with a fixed grin before looking around, as if for assistance, and insisted the results were nothing but “statistical noise.”
As the audience continued roaring its approval, Goddard said: “You have a little black in you.”
But Cobb disagreed.
“I’ll tell you this,” Cobb said. “Oil and water don’t mix.”
Goddard stood up and attempted a fist bump with Cobb, saying, “Hey, bro,” but the white supremacist pulled away his hand and refused to participate.
Cobb told The Daily Mail that he agreed to the test because he “assumed it was science,” but he dismissed the test results as flawed and produced by “craven and debased” television executives who aimed only to shock and “promote multiculturalism.”
36 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:19:50pm |
ooo… Snowing in Lombard, IL right now.
37 | Lidane Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:20:22pm |
re: #33 bratwurst
I’d ask her why anyone should care about the opinions of half-term governor who couldn’t even finish the job she was elected to do.
38 | bratwurst Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:20:41pm |
@jaketapper Will you be interviewing other Christmas book authors? Or just this stunt with @SarahPalinUSA in a vain attempt at ratings?— Clay C. (@ClayC1969) November 11, 2013
39 | geoffm33 Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:22:14pm |
re: #32 Vicious Babushka
@ChuckNellis
Follow
If not for our WWII veterans you Communist Democrat nut jobs would be speaking German or Japanese now! #P2 #UniteBlue #VeteransDay
What would the Rightwing Nutjobs be speaking?
40 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:22:51pm |
41 | ausador Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:24:39pm |
42 | geoffm33 Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:25:08pm |
re: #40 Vicious Babushka
Gibberish, the same as they do now.
Plus, when they talk….
…it comes out all purple!
43 | Lidane Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:25:15pm |
Speaking of half-gov Caribou Barbie:
Sarah Palin Struggles To Explain Her Obamacare Alternative (VIDEO) http://t.co/HBuugWiXWn— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 11, 2013
44 | Backwoods_Sleuth Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:26:04pm |
re: #32 Vicious Babushka
I speak German.
What an asshole he is.
45 | piratedan Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:27:34pm |
re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth
I speak German.
What an asshole he is.
well EVERYONE KNOWS only Republicans went off to fight in that war… /////
46 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:28:37pm |
re: #43 Lidane
Speaking of half-gov Caribou Barbie:
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That particular word salad performance was on today when I was trying to eat breakfast.
:p
(on a TV I did not have volume, channel, or power control over)
47 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:29:53pm |
So abortion is like slavery, debt is like slavery. What else? French fried potaters? Cigarette butts? Shag carpeting? Your face?— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) November 11, 2013
48 | Schadenboner Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:29:57pm |
It’s not Veterans day. It’s Armistice day. We should remember the horror of the First World War.
And the fact we’ve changed it (and in so doing forgotten the “reason for the season” as the saying goes) just *might* explain why we keep forgetting about the savage folly of war.
Anyways, downvote away I guess.
49 | Backwoods_Sleuth Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:30:05pm |
re: #43 Lidane
Heck, she struggles to get out a coherent sentence, much less any sort of rational thought.
50 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:30:55pm |
Lawd, I remember the day that crushing debt sold my mama on the auction block. *hums Negro spiritual*— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) November 11, 2013
one day into slavery: “oh, oh, this is nothing like having to pay taxes. can i stop being a slave now?”— Oliver Willis (@owillis) November 11, 2013
51 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:33:37pm |
52 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:34:40pm |
somewhere the ghost of a slave thinks “i wish i could have traded some government debt in exchange for not being property”— Oliver Willis (@owillis) November 11, 2013
53 | GeneJockey Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:35:11pm |
re: #43 Lidane
Speaking of half-gov Caribou Barbie:
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Believe it or not, the Right is posting the same video as Palin scoring major points on Matt Lauer. I saw it on Facebook, posted by my wingnut 2nd cousin who lives in West Oh, For Fucks Sake By God Virginia.
54 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:35:15pm |
Can anyone give me a explanation on the wingnut logic on how a “X = slavery” argument is supposed to convince me of anything? Does it go at all beyond a horribly simplistic “X is bad. Slavery is bad. Therefore X is slavery” that borders on being so misguided that wrong cannot even start to describe it?
55 | Backwoods_Sleuth Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:36:16pm |
56 | Lidane Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:37:53pm |
re: #54 Feline Fearless Leader
Can anyone give me a explanation on the wingnut logic on how a “X = slavery” argument is supposed to convince me of anything?
It’s slavery because of reasons. Why can’t you just accept that?
///
Does it go at all beyond a horribly simplistic “X is bad. Slavery is bad. Therefore X is slavery” that borders on being so misguided it that wrong cannot even start to describe it?
LOL no. In fact, I think your explanation is a step up from wingnut logic.
57 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:39:56pm |
re: #56 Lidane
It’s slavery because of reasons. Why can’t you just accept that?
///
LOL no. In fact, I think your explanation is a step up from wingnut logic.
HURR HURR CAN’T U LIBRUL COMMUNISTS SEE TAHT TEH GHEY MARRIAGE IS WORSE THEN TEH HOLOCAUST BECAUSE CHRISTIANS IS MOAR DESERVING VICTIMS THEN TEH JUICE!!!!1!!!!!
58 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:40:00pm |
re: #56 Lidane
It’s slavery because of reasons. Why can’t you just accept that?
///
LOL no. In fact, I think your explanation is a step up from wingnut logic.
I find that discomforting. Especially given that Palin and those of her ilk have not been hounded from the public commons for continued violations of this sort.
59 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:43:19pm |
INCOME TAX = SLAVERY!!!11!!!!! is a pretty common meme amongst Teh Wingnutz.
60 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:43:37pm |
@owillis Conservatives having to read things on Twitter they don't agree with is JUST LIKE SLAVERY.— El Cid (@EnBuenora) November 11, 2013
61 | Backwoods_Sleuth Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:44:18pm |
62 | GeneJockey Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:44:19pm |
re: #58 Feline Fearless Leader
I find that discomforting. Especially given that Palin and those of her ilk have not been hounded from the public commons for continued violations of this sort.
For years the Right have worked assiduously to undermine the credibility of anyone who would undermine the credibility of anyone on the Right by pointing out that the emperor has no clothes on what they’re saying is gibberish with no relationship to reality.
So, they’re not hounded from the public square because the act of pointing out their outrageous lies actually strengthens their popularity with the base. At this point the only thing Palin could do to be hounded from the public commons would be to start speaking truth.
Yeah, like that will happen!
63 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:45:07pm |
re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth
lolwhut?
Tony Perkins: Liberty To Deny Contraception ‘Why Pilgrims Came Here’
Well, the Puritans were quite intolerant of others who did not share their beliefs, so there’s that.
64 | GeneJockey Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:45:28pm |
re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth
lolwhut?
Tony Perkins: Liberty To Deny Contraception ‘Why Pilgrims Came Here’
Well, since the Puritans and other groups fleeing religious persecution then set up colonies that had no more religious freedom than the places they’d fled, he may have a point, though not the one he thinks he does.
65 | gwangung Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:45:53pm |
re: #56 Lidane
It’s slavery because of reasons. Why can’t you just accept that?
///
LOL no. In fact, I think your explanation is a step up from wingnut logic.
Given that the growth in spending is the lowest since Eisenhower, we certainly can’t look to Democrats as slave masters….
66 | Backwoods_Sleuth Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:46:21pm |
re: #64 GeneJockey
Well, since the Puritans and other groups fleeing religious persecution then set up colonies that had no more religious freedom than the places they’d fled, he may have a point, though not the one he thinks he does.
The Puritans also banned Christmas. Wonder what Tony has to say about that?
67 | GeneJockey Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:46:47pm |
re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth
The Puritans also banned Christmas. Wonder what Tony has to say about that?
Crickets, I expect.
68 | Romantic Heretic Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:47:59pm |
re: #6 Feline Fearless Leader
Sort of hinges on the difference between treating the men as human beings who can be interacted with and animals who need to be whipped and punished into behaving.
Or machines that act exactly the way they are supposed to or get thrown on the scrap heap.
69 | Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:48:13pm |
re: #67 GeneJockey
Crickets, I expect.
Though I hear he likes the idea of wearing hats with buckles on them. Reminds him of bootstraps.
////
70 | ausador Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:48:19pm |
re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth
Heck, she struggles to get out a coherent sentence, much less any sort of rational thought.
Yep…
“The plan is to allow those things that had been proposed over many years to reform a health-care system in America that certainly does need more help so that there’s more competition, there’s less tort reform threat, there’s less trajectory of the cost increases, and those plans have been proposed over and over again,” Palin said.
Someone needs to remind Palin that Tort reform is an idea championed by her side of the political spectrum. Not only is her rant basically an incoherent string of unconnected words and random thoughts but she also got her well coached talking points backwards. She should have said that she supported major Tort Reform, instead she said she was against the “threat” of more Tort Reform.
Just in case you were wondering how completely un-teachable and un-coachable she really is, Palin will NEVER be ready for primetime politics in this country.
71 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:48:34pm |
A look into the Conservative mindset - cherry-picking the Bible. #UniteBlue #LibCrib #tcot pic.twitter.com/NBJLR6YZZd— Chaz (@ChazB831) November 11, 2013
72 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:49:24pm |
There must be a photo out there somewhere of somebody’s tattoo of the Leviticus verse forbidding tattoos.
73 | Lidane Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:50:00pm |
re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth
lolwhut?
Tony Perkins: Liberty To Deny Contraception ‘Why Pilgrims Came Here’
OW. My brain hurts after reading that.
74 | GeneJockey Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:50:18pm |
It occurs to me that one way to shut up someone who says ‘Obamacare is just like Slavery!’ is to turn it around:
“Slavery was just like Obamacare!”
That sounds qualitatively different, somehow, possibly enough to perhaps give some folks pause.
75 | Backwoods_Sleuth Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:50:28pm |
76 | Lidane Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:51:19pm |
re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth
You’re welcome…
Gee, thanks. :p
Oh well. At least I have caffeine and chocolate to dull the pain.
77 | Political Atheist Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:53:01pm |
Charles, Stinky, OT sorry, tech glitch on Bookmarklet. Maybe. Most websites work perfect. But I was looking tp put up a page critical of Tim Donelly, a TP candidate for Gov. On his site, his only, I get the spinning wheel instead of a Page creation window.
Is it the secure site blocking me?
78 | Romantic Heretic Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:53:11pm |
re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg
My grandfather was a Canadian sailor who thankfully shared a lot with me about his service. If I ever had to serve it would be in the Navy.
Almost did join the Navy. I was in Sea Cadets for a while.
Then I got to spend a couple of weeks under actual military discipline and realized it would have been a really bad idea joining up. I don’t fit in well to large groups of people
79 | Vicious Babushka Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:54:53pm |
Katie Pavlich is FAIL OF THE DAY
far right lincoln. lol. RT @KatiePavlich Slavery in America was an atrocity, which is exactly why Republicans ended it.— Oliver Willis (@owillis) November 11, 2013
80 | geoffm33 Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:55:05pm |
re: #46 Feline Fearless Leader
That particular word salad performance was on today when I was trying to eat breakfast.
:p(on a TV I did not have volume, channel,
orpower control over, or a brick.)
There.
81 | HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:57:18pm |
re: #32 Vicious Babushka
SO MUCH DERP IN ONE TWEET
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Hey asshole my great uncle who was in WWII was a “communist democrat” so fuck you.
82 | HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 11, 2013 12:58:53pm |
re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth
lolwhut?
Tony Perkins: Liberty To Deny Contraception ‘Why Pilgrims Came Here’
No, Tony, that was the whole not being in control of hte English church. And it’s not liberty to deny other people rights you fascist fuck.
83 | GeneJockey Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:00:54pm |
re: #79 Vicious Babushka
Katie Pavlich is FAIL OF THE DAY
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Yet another example of the Conservative trick of believing two mutually exclusive points with no discomfort. On the one hand, they’re now the party of ‘States Rights’, they call for Nullification, they flirt with secession, they celebrate the Confederacy, and yet they claim the mantle of the Party of Lincoln, who crushed the Confederacy. They also claim the credit for passing the CRA and the VRA, despite the fact that the Republicans who passed it were driven from the party, and the Southern Democrats who blocked it BECAME Republicans precisely because the GOP made a home for them.
84 | HappyWarrior Mon, Nov 11, 2013 1:02:33pm |
re: #83 GeneJockey
Yet another example of the Conservative trick of believing two mutually exclusive points with no discomfort. On the one hand, they’re now the party of ‘States Rights’, they call for Nullification, they flirt with secession, they celebrate the Confederacy, and yet they claim the mantle of the Party of Lincoln, who crushed the Confederacy. They also claim the credit for passing the CRA and the VRA, despite the fact that the Republicans who passed it were driven from the party, and the Southern Democrats who blocked it BECAME Republicans precisely because the GOP made a home for them.
Nuance, it’s a motherfucker eh? But yeah this is what amuses me about the right. At the same time, they scream states rights, they want to take credit for ending slavery and civil rights alone. I prefer the honest ones who freely admit to their contempt for old Abe and their love for Jefferson Davis and the CSA.