In Which Toronto Mayor Rob Ford Does His Impression of a Charging Rhino

This guy knows how to party
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I admit I’ve been pretty much ignoring the crack-smoking Toronto mayor story, but this is too funny (in a bizarre and semi-disturbing way) to pass up, as Rob Ford charges an opponent like an enraged rhinoceros and ends up knocking over a female Councillor. He’s berserk! Look out!

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1 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 12:48:36pm

Jesushchristonapopsiclestick.

I hope she files charges.

2 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 12:50:09pm

Actually rather surprised the wingnuts haven’t started mooning over him yet. He’s everything they want in a politician: Foul-mouthed, unapologetic, and totally disrespectful of anyone that isn’t him. Knocking down a woman would be seen as bonus points.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 12:54:55pm
4 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 12:54:59pm

Not seen (off video): The French knight calling Ford an empty headed animal food trough wiper. Ford’s mother was a hamster and his father smelt of elderberries. Indeed, we’ve learned in specially obtained video that there was a bout of flatulence as well.

Youtube Video

5 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 12:55:22pm
6 b.d.  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 12:56:11pm

We’ve got to do something about these out of control Canadians, this is just the diversion the Obama administration has been looking for! To arms!

7 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 12:57:41pm

i hear they’re considering cancelling rob ford’s membership in the International Council of Crack-Smoking Mayors

8 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 12:59:13pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The guy they have is doing a fair job with Ford though…

gawker.com

9 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:00:03pm

Live mic catches Ford saying “Bitch set me up”… /

10 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:01:32pm
11 lockjawcanbefun  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:01:46pm
12 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:04:23pm

Martin Bashir issuing apology.

WTF did he say Friday?

13 leftynyc  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:06:02pm

Response to comment 12 on Bashir:

Here’s the story:

wonkette.com

14 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:07:15pm

The best scandal we here in the US could cook up in the past 12 months was a California mayor accused of multiple acts of sexual harassment. Toronto managed to give us a mayor who’s used his office letterhead to benefit a charity linked to him, is a raging alcoholic, has smoked crack, used the word “pussy” on live TV to deny sexual misconduct, and has no problem knocking down women while calling for decorum.

How do we top that?//

15 Whack-A-Mole  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:09:03pm

To be fair to him, it looks to me like he was charging someone else down the aisle (of camera) from the woman he knocked over; his eyes were looking past her the whole time. She was just collateral damage. Not that it makes the behavior much better, but it does dial the fucktard factor back to 98 of 100.

16 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:09:06pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

The best scandal we here in the US could cook up in the past 12 months was a California mayor accused of multiple acts of sexual harassment. Toronto managed to give us a mayor who’s used his office letterhead to benefit a charity linked to him, is a raging alcoholic, has smoked crack, used the word “pussy” on live TV to deny sexual misconduct, and has no problem knocking down women while calling for decorum.

How do we top that?//

Have Sandra Fluke testify before Congress again. I’m sure that Limbaugh can find a way to top Rob Ford’s fat, sweaty creep factor, no problem.

17 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:09:25pm

re: #13 leftynyc

Response to comment 12 on Bashir:

Here’s the story:

wonkette.com

Guess who chimed in to defend Sarah Palin and attack Martin Bashir?

18 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:09:44pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

The best scandal we here in the US could cook up in the past 12 months was a California mayor accused of multiple acts of sexual harassment. Toronto managed to give us a mayor who’s used his office letterhead to benefit a charity linked to him, is a raging alcoholic, has smoked crack, used the word “pussy” on live TV to deny sexual misconduct, and has no problem knocking down women while calling for decorum.

How do we top that?//

Shhhh!

Pray that we don’t.

19 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:11:17pm

re: #13 leftynyc

Response to comment 12 on Bashir:

Here’s the story:

wonkette.com

Oh, that was very satisfying. : )

20 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:11:44pm

re: #16 Lidane

Have Sandra Fluke testify before Congress again. I’m sure that Limbaugh can find a way to top Rob Ford’s fat, sweaty creep factor, no problem.

Why go that far? He was already bloviating last week that the ACA means prostitutes will be given “free” healthcare.

21 leftynyc  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:12:03pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Guess who chimed in to defend Sarah Palin and attack Martin Bashir?

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I don’t really follow what Greenwald has to say - did he comment on the Obamacare/slavery analogy or was he not attention whoring that day?

22 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:12:18pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

How do we top that?//

Well, apparently the SecEd uttered “white suburban moms”:


Education Sec. Duncan under fire for comment about ‘white suburban moms’

Proving once again that any controversy will be intensified — if not illuminated — by random references to race, class, and gender, Education Secretary Arne Duncan has ignited a storm of protest by noting opposition from “white suburban moms” to one of his prized educational initiatives.

In a meeting with state education chiefs Friday, Duncan said some opposition to the Common Core State Standards — a controversial effort to standardize education — has come from parents displeased that test results have exposed local weaknesses. Duncan said he found it “fascinating” that opponents include “white suburban moms who — all of a sudden — (discovered that) their child isn’t as bright as they thought they were, and their school isn’t quite as good as they thought they were.”

The remark was first reported Friday by Politico, which later reported that Duncan back-peddled, saying that he “didn’t say it perfectly.”
The incident, if nothing else, is thrusting Common Core State Standards into red-hot glare of politically oriented social media.

[…]

First off, Common Core is “controversial” only because the right-wing outrage machine decided that it could rally the SoCons around Common Core being evul or something.

This report by CNN is just in another long string of outrage-mania that has become the standard of the “news” industry. Politico of course is pushing this story since they are the high-brow (if I can call it that) version of Breitbard, looking to stir up anything they can.

23 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:12:22pm

Really dumb, over-the-top comment by Bashir and I’m glad he apologized, but I don’t believe he was deliberately suggesting that somebody should shit in Sarah Palin’s mouth. The right wing bloggers are repeating this over and over in a very obsessive and disturbing way, as if the idea fascinates them.

24 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:12:41pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

Why go that far? He was already bloviating last week that the ACA means prostitutes will be given “free” healthcare.

Why would he have a problem with that? Wouldn’t he want the hookers he visits to be STD free?

25 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:13:21pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

In the way they obsessively kept writing and saying “shove down our throat” when talking about Obamacare.

26 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:13:31pm

Finally. Some real Canadian political excitement.

27 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:13:42pm

re: #24 Vicious Babushka

Why would he have a problem with that? Wouldn’t he want the hookers he visits to be STD free?

Usual “moral” outrage, the fuckwit who got caught coming back from a known sexual resort with a bottle of Viagra suggesting that should be outraged that prostitutes will have access to affordable health care.

28 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:13:46pm
29 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:15:32pm

re: #26 b_sharp

Finally. Some real Canadian political excitement.

How often does the American news media pay attention to anything going on in Canada anyway?

30 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:15:45pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

GG conversion to RWNJ gets closer….

31 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:15:48pm

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

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No doubt due to government mandates, as we know that no business would willingly adopt such a practice if it costs them money.

32 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:16:36pm

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK, BERSERKER!!!!!!!

33 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:17:27pm

re: #29 Lidane

How often does the American news media pay attention to anything going on in Canada anyway?

Seldom. We are just the mouse living beside the elephant.

34 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:17:42pm

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

See! Let corporations regulate themselves!!! (Note to self: contact local teabag party group and discuss boycott of commy business group Ford.)

35 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:18:17pm

Dudebro makes dudebro-projection joke.

36 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:18:38pm

There’s a whole industry now in pushing headlines that play off the idea of Obama being Nixonian. Consider this from the editors of Bloomberg:

Obama’s Secrecy Is Hurting Free-Trade Talks

[…]

But both pacts could founder for some of the same reasons President Barack Obama’s health-care law is in trouble: the administration’s penchant for secrecy and a reluctance to consult lawmakers. The president risks losing both deals unless members of Congress are allowed to help define their contents.

[…]

These are manufactured claims. I wonder what is afoot, regarding who’s deep pockets is behind the machine churning out this stuff.

37 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:20:06pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Really dumb, over-the-top comment by Bashir and I’m glad he apologized, but I don’t believe he was deliberately suggesting that somebody should shit in Sarah Palin’s mouth. The right wing bloggers are repeating this over and over in a very obsessive and disturbing way, as if the idea fascinates them.

offensive comments by non-conservative comment taters are rare enough so that they want to get the most out of them that they can

38 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:20:46pm

To give an idea of what Bloomberg is pushing, consider more of the story:

[…]

The lack of openness was apparent last week when Wikileaks released a draft of the TPP’s intellectual property chapter, complete with the negotiating positions of all 12 countries. One surprise: The U.S. wants to give brand-name drugs more than 20 years of protection against generic competition, potentially raising the cost of treating HIV/AIDS, malaria and other diseases in low-income countries and alarming some public-health advocates.

The U.S. also wants the signatories to allow patents for surgical procedures, life forms and seeds, possibly raising the cost of food and health care in developing countries. And it wants to extend copyright terms to the life of the author plus 70 years (95 years for corporate-owned works).

The leak also revealed that the U.S. wants tougher legal measures so it can pursue hackers and others who violate digital copyrights. This was the goal of Hollywood’s ill-considered pet legislation, the Stop Online Piracy Act, which was thankfully shelved last year.

[…]

Bloomberg editors are starting to sound like Dudebros.

39 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:21:05pm

But both pacts could founder for some of the same reasons President Barack Obama’s health-care law is in trouble: the administration’s penchant for secrecy and a reluctance to consult lawmakers. The president risks losing both deals unless members of Congress lobbyists are allowed to help define their contents.

40 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:22:27pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Really dumb, over-the-top comment by Bashir and I’m glad he apologized, but I don’t believe he was deliberately suggesting that somebody should shit in Sarah Palin’s mouth. The right wing bloggers are repeating this over and over in a very obsessive and disturbing way, as if the idea fascinates them.

Bedwetting little creep Ben Shapiro just COULD. NOT. STOP. TALKING. ABOUT. IT.

41 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:23:12pm

re: #38 freetoken

To give an idea of what Bloomberg is pushing, consider more of the story:

Bloomberg editors are starting to sound like Dudebros.

Also, too:

42 Bulworth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:24:48pm

re: #36 freetoken

Well that’s true about the ACA. I mean, why wasn’t Congress allowed to pass a law creating the ACA? //

I’ve been stuck in training all day. How goes the anti-integration ACA implementation? //

43 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:27:37pm

Mayor Rob “Rush Jr” Ford, as he desperately tries to catch up to his dark master in iniquity. Sheesh.

44 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:27:40pm
45 Amory Blaine  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:29:51pm

I want a Rob Ford action figure.

46 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:31:08pm

re: #45 Amory Blaine

I want a Rob Ford action figure.

Wind it up and it rummages through your wallet, grabs a bunch of cash, runs through door without stopping, and comes back red-faced, stoned, and smelling of alcohol.

47 Ace-o-aces  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:34:45pm

re: #14 Targetpractice

The best scandal we here in the US could cook up in the past 12 months was a California mayor accused of multiple acts of sexual harassment.

Don’t try to minimize Filner’s transgressions. They guy had such poor impulse control the city wouldn’t allow him to be alone in the same room with a woman. It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to describe much of what he did not just as harassment, but full on sexual assault.

48 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:34:46pm

re: #29 Lidane

How often does the American news media pay attention to anything going on in Canada anyway?

Not very often, however the Canadian national news reports on American stories pretty frequently. My wife was surprised by the difference when we began dating.

49 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:36:27pm

Oh and also, Rob Ford is a disgrace to the city of Toronto and the people of Canada. The sooner he’s out of there, the better.

SNL did a hilarious parody of Ford this week, in which he got fed up with every news org not believing him when he said he hadn’t smoked crack so he decided to go somewhere he was sure WOULD believe him…60 minutes.

50 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:36:40pm

Lots of interesting news from the worlds of anthropology and archeology these days, and this story caught my eye the other day but now there is a photo:

Elite Woman’s Flattened Skull Discovered in France

In a necropolis containing 38 tombs that were used over a period of more than 4,000 years, archaeologist Philippe Lefranc uncovered the 1,650-year-old remains of a woman whose head had been flattened and deformed during childhood. “The deformation of the skull with the help of bandages (narrow strips of cloth) and small boards is a practice coming from central Asia. It was popularized by the Huns and adopted by many German people,” he said. Such deformed skulls are usually seen in burials containing grave goods associated with the wealthy. This woman had been buried with gold pins, chatelaines, pearls, a comb made of a stag antler, and an imported bronze mirror.

Would you want to look like this?

51 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:37:51pm

re: #47 Ace-o-aces

Don’t try to minimize Filner’s transgressions. They guy had such poor impulse control the city wouldn’t allow him to be alone in the same room with a woman. It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to describe much of what he did not just as harassment, but full on sexual assault.

Agreed, I chose the wrong word there, for which I apologize.

52 jaunte  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:39:28pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh and also, Rob Ford is a disgrace to the city of Toronto and the people of Canada. The sooner he’s out of there, the better.

He looks as if some important internal part is going to explode within the next couple of years.

53 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:40:19pm

re: #50 freetoken

Lots of interesting news from the worlds of anthropology and archeology these days, and this story caught my eye the other day but now there is a photo:

Elite Woman’s Flattened Skull Discovered in France

Would you want to look like this?

Alien!

54 jaunte  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:42:34pm
55 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:43:36pm

re: #53 b_sharp

Alien!

I expect it to find its way into an Ancient Aliens episode.

56 missliberties  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:45:08pm

He is the conservative version of Charlie Sheen and he is totally *winning*.

57 b.d.  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:45:32pm

I’ve had about enough with MSNBC and their cartoonish versions of liberals as hosts.

58 nines09  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:45:33pm

Looks to me as if someone was getting too close to his crack stash.” Quickly, Doctor Watson! The tranquilizer gum!!!”

59 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:48:42pm
60 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:49:12pm
61 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:49:13pm

re: #57 b.d.

The 24/7 “news” industry really is a circus, there to entertain us, complete with clowns.

62 erik_t  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:49:42pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

Yes, John Liberty. By paying taxes, because that’s how society works.

Dipshit.

63 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:50:55pm

re: #62 erik_t

Yes, John Liberty. By paying taxes, because that’s how society works.

Dipshit.

HURR HURR TAXES IS SLAVERY!!!11!!111!!!

64 blueraven  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:54:23pm

Martin Bashir can be a flame thrower. Maybe he didn’t mean that he actually wished for someone to dump in Palin’s mouth, but that is the impression some came away with and I think he intended it to be ambiguous.
He may be sorry now, but he is a hothead.

He made some very good points about the awfulness of slavery…he should have left it right there. He held the high road for a moment and then veered into the gutter.

65 blueraven  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:56:25pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

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When Exxon and GE finally make a profit, they will give back those federal subsidies, right?

66 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:57:13pm

re: #65 blueraven

When Exxon and GE finally make a profit, they will give back those federal subsidies, right?

Game, Set. Match.

Well played.

67 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 1:59:47pm

Seminole County Sheriff to give news conference at 5 pm on Zimmerman matter.

68 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:09:55pm

re: #67 Justanotherhuman

Seminole County Sheriff to give news conference at 5 pm on Zimmerman matter.

Meanwhile, the denial is running thick amongst the Freepers. Some are accusing his wife’s lawyer of setting up the girlfriend, others are accusing the President. Still others are just pulling the “wait and see” bit, sure that it’s all just overblown. And some are sure that he’s on his way to heavy settlements from his lawsuits and the girlfriend’s a gold digger looking to file charges and then settle out of court.

69 b.d.  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:10:11pm

From the FreeRepublic ZImmerman thread:

If Obama were a real man he’d reach out privately to Zimmerman, help the guy and seek reconciliation and peace. That’s the Christian thing to do. Obama’s ruined this guys life and he doesn’t care.

Really.

freerepublic.com

70 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:11:45pm

re: #69 b.d.

From the FreeRepublic ZImmerman thread:

Really.

freerepublic.com

Because Zimmerman never found himself in trouble with the law for assault & battery before.////

71 Slap  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:11:52pm

re: #9 lawhawk

Live mic catches Ford saying “Bitch set me up”… /

One of our local bakeries sells a Marionberry pie. In my head, I always call it “Bitch set me up” pie.

That was one of my favorites of the T-shirts that emerged after Marion’s on-camera escapades….

72 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:15:45pm

Samantha Scheibe ID’ed as Likely Girlfriend in George Zimmerman Arrest: Reports

theepochtimes.com

73 erik_t  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:15:52pm

re: #69 b.d.

From the FreeRepublic ZImmerman thread:

Really.

freerepublic.com

Something something something tough on crime something something doesn’t apply once you’ve done the world the service of shooting a black kid.

Shaking my fuckin’ head.

74 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:17:34pm
75 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:17:35pm

re: #72 Justanotherhuman

Samantha Scheibe ID’ed as Likely Girlfriend in George Zimmerman Arrest: Reports

theepochtimes.com

And now the woman looks forward to her life becoming a living hell as Zimmerman’s fan club sends her threats, hate-filled diatribes, and digs through her past in the hopes of finding something discredit her.

76 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:21:53pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

And now the woman looks forward to her life becoming a living hell as Zimmerman’s fan club sends her threats, hate-filled diatribes, and digs through her past in the hopes of finding something discredit her.

Seems like it was pretty well known in FL?

George Zimmerman’s Friend Stephanie Scheibe: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know

Read more at: heavy.com

Who knew Z had a 400 lb bodyguard?

77 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:22:55pm
78 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:24:21pm
79 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:26:26pm

And his brother weighs in…

80 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:26:53pm

re: #69 b.d.

From the FreeRepublic ZImmerman thread:

Really.

freerepublic.com

Love how “personal responsibility” goes out the window when it’s one of their heroes.

81 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:27:54pm

It looked like a WWF match. I was waiting for him to rip off his shirt and throw a chair!

82 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:28:24pm
83 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:28:31pm

re: #77 wrenchwench

What is that little puff baby?

84 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:28:44pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

And his brother weighs in…

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Whatever he says, the total opposite is true.

85 Belafon  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:29:00pm

re: #55 freetoken

It was the plot of the fourth Indiana Jones movie.

86 Stoatly  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:29:29pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

@Uwaine Heh. Chris Farley was born to play Rob Ford. I miss him.

Sadly, only a mashup, but still…

Hmmm, on preview Youtube seems to have died…

87 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:32:12pm

re: #83 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton

What is that little puff baby?

Seems to be a baby polar bear.

Now it’s something you could eat right up, and later, it could eat you right up.

88 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:32:30pm

Evening Lizardim from the cold and clear wild north country. How go things among the lizardfolk?

89 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:33:39pm

re: #87 wrenchwench

I never knew they were ever that tiny! I’m in love.

90 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:33:56pm
91 Mike Lamb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:34:03pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

And his brother weighs in…

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It’s just amazing how unlucky GZ is…

92 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:38:55pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

And his brother weighs in…

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And tell us, Robert, what do you think of his girlfriend’s accusations? Is she another liar who’s just making up lies about your brother for some personal gain?

93 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:40:17pm

Watching The Walking Dead, you’re doing it wrong:

94 theheat  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:43:19pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

Really, I’m amazed he has anything to offer a girlfriend other than a history of murder and domestic violence. You know, other than those positive attributes. //

AFAIC, this megadick earned himself a lifetime of bullshit coming his way. More than earned it.

95 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:45:31pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

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96 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:46:20pm

re: #94 theheat

Really, I’m amazed he has anything to offer a girlfriend other than a history of murder and domestic violence. You know, other than those positive attributes. //

Richard Ramirez managed to convince two women to fall in love with him from death row. There are some deeply stupid people in the world.

97 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:46:40pm
98 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:46:43pm

re: #94 theheat

Really, I’m amazed he has anything to offer a girlfriend other than a history of murder and domestic violence. You know, other than those positive attributes. //

AFAIC, this megadick earned himself a lifetime of bullshit coming his way. More than earned it.

He’s a walking time bomb who got away with murder (literally). I’m anticipating a bad end for this fellow, much as I try to emphasize the potential for redemption in anyone.

99 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:48:17pm

If you need any more reasons to despise Walmart, cont.

Ohio Walmart Store Accepts Thanksgiving Donations for Its Workers

abcnews.go.com

Maybe paying a living wage could provide for those “unforeseen hardships”.

100 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:48:49pm

re: #99 Justanotherhuman

littlegreenfootballs.com

101 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:49:18pm

Somebody who actually tuned into the presser will have to correct me, but so far everything I’ve seen on the web says that Robert Jr. is a fucking liar. Two guns were found in the apartment, Zimmerman shoved her out the door which would be the battery charge, and her claim of being pregnant hasn’t been disputed by the police.

102 blueraven  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:49:58pm

re: #90 Charles Johnson

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Disaster! Fail!!! The Internets are broken //
Call in the private sector…oh wait

103 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:51:10pm

re: #100 freetoken

littlegreenfootballs.com

Kudos to VB for catching that. : )

104 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:51:45pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

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“Today’s Headline: Western civilization collapsed today in the wake of the disappearance of Youtube. We’d have video for you, but our Youtube channel is gone.”

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105 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:51:51pm

re: #102 blueraven

Disaster! Fail!!! The Internets are broken //
Call in the private sector…oh wait

In my Facebook discussion with a wingnut over the Healthcare.gov “failure”, he said, “If we gave 600 million dollars to Amazon, we’d get a better result.” I should’ve replied with the number of companies who received $600 million from venture capitalists during the dot-com bubble that are no longer with us today.

106 Petero1818  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:52:43pm

I live in Toronto, and I love this great city. I am also pretty certain that Rob Ford has shit in someone’s mouth. He may not remember it, after all when he is hammered, he does some crazy stuff, like smoking crack. I think someone needs to ask him this question. But they need to be very clear. Don’t ask “do you shit in people’s mouths” or “are you addicted to shitting in people’s mouths” they need to be clear. “Mayor Ford, do you, or have you ever shit in anyone’s mouth?” If he answers no, a follow up would be, “Mayor Ford, you have said that you don’t recall everything you did when you were in your drunken stupors. Is it possible you may have shat in someone’s mouth when in one of those stupors?”

107 blueraven  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:52:49pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

WhoTube?

108 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:53:31pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

And now the woman looks forward to her life becoming a living hell as Zimmerman’s fan club sends her threats, hate-filled diatribes, and digs through her past in the hopes of finding something discredit her.

Other than being Zimmerman’s girlfriend?

109 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:53:36pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Somebody who actually tuned into the presser will have to correct me, but so far everything I’ve seen on the web says that Robert Jr. is a fucking liar. Two guns were found in the apartment, Zimmerman shoved her out the door which would be the battery charge, and her claim of being pregnant hasn’t been disputed by the police.

Gawd, I’d be embarrassed to even admit I’d fucked Z, not to mention getting pregnant by him.

But—there’s no accounting for taste, I suppose.

110 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:55:13pm

re: #97 Charles Johnson

What if YouTube just … never came back?

It can stay gone, if we can have healthcare.gov back.

111 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:56:43pm

re: #95 wrenchwench

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That’s every day on YT.

112 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:58:17pm
113 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:59:34pm
114 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 2:59:58pm

Youtube is down, leaving tens of thousands of obnoxious little shits in search of a comments section to drag down with their bile.

115 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:01:19pm

re: #113 Lidane

The valedictorian of my college class, a female computer science graduate, would beg to differ.

116 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:05:04pm

re: #115 thedopefishlives

The valedictorian of my college class, a female computer science graduate, would beg to differ.

And a certain bike mechanic would like to utilize a wrench in a manner not specified in the manual.

117 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:06:03pm

re: #113 Lidane

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What he really meant to say is “How dare any women talk back at me!”.

118 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:06:48pm

re: #117 GlutenFreeJesus

What he really meant to say is “How dare any women talk back at me!”.

Now get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich.

119 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:09:10pm

A little Mendelssohn, anyone?

Youtube Video

It appears to be back up.

120 calochortus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:09:12pm

re: #118 thedopefishlives

Now get back in the kitchen and make me a sammich.

You’d really risk eating that sandwich, under the circumstances?

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:11:25pm
122 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:12:16pm

re: #120 calochortus

You’d really risk eating that sandwich, under the circumstances?

Now I’m humming the soundtrack to Chicago.

123 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:14:12pm

re: #121 Backwoods_Sleuth

YouTube is temporarily down. Please resist the temptation to accomplish a damn thing.

just call me maynard g krebs

124 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:14:24pm
125 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:17:52pm

re: #116 wrenchwench

And a certain bike mechanic would like to utilize a wrench in a manner not specified in the manual.

Sure it is. Look up “adjusting a Wingnut” in the index. ///

126 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:18:22pm

I’m cutting out early.

Later, lizards.

127 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:26:24pm

So yeah, turns out that not only is it his girlfriend’s own apartment that he threw her out of, but she was sitting in the car when his wife called 911 after he punched her father and broke an iPad. No telling if the shotgun used in this altercation is the one bought with donated funds.

128 bratwurst  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:31:05pm
129 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:33:12pm

re: #113 Lidane

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My mother has her MS in Industrial Engineering.

I have more college degrees than seriously one person should consider and am now working on a certificate for “Foundations in Computer Science.” Not because I am a perpetual student like my mother likes to claim, but because it turns out I like that better than the other shit.

My best friend has a BS/MS in Computer Engineering. She’s going with my husband and I to Japan in December.

I’m seconding WW’s suggestion.

130 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:33:36pm

Watching the boyfriend play NBA 2K14 while I study for my interview tomorrow, and I’m sure of one thing. “Blurred Lines” is a terrible song. Forget the lyrics, it’s just goddamn annoying. At least they’ve got Daft Punk on the soundtrack to make up for it.

131 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:34:16pm

re: #130 Lidane

Watching the boyfriend play NBA 2K14 while I study for my interview tomorrow, and I’m sure of one thing. “Blurred Lines” is a terrible song. Forget the lyrics, it’s just goddamn annoying. At least they’ve got Daft Punk on the soundtrack to make up for it.

My wife likes it, but mostly because she found the parody version that features a woman singing about men.

132 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:34:54pm

re: #130 Lidane

Watching the boyfriend play NBA 2K14 while I study for my interview tomorrow, and I’m sure of one thing. “Blurred Lines” is a terrible song. Forget the lyrics, it’s just goddamn annoying. At least they’ve got Daft Punk on the soundtrack to make up for it.

You remind me, maybe I should declare today a waste of time and play LEGO Marvel.

133 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:38:29pm

In response to getting chewed on for the ABSOLUTELY NON-POLITICAL JOKE on Friday, I just posted the quote from Varney with no editorial and put it on my Facebook.

At least I’ll know who to defriend.

134 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:39:13pm

Gotta live one. Feel free to pile on.

135 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:40:06pm

Here’s another one, from last February:

136 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:40:24pm

Just heard from the fishfolk. The city of Kokomo is a wreck; 2 EF-2 tornados struck it yesterday, rendering the southern parts a veritable war zone. My family’s farm is okay, but further up the road there were trees down, roofs damaged, even barns and houses destroyed. Going home for Christmas is just a little bit more important this year, because we all came about that close to not having a home to go back to.

137 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:40:35pm

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

Gotta live one. Feel free to pile on.

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WHO NEEDS SLEEP? WEAKLINGS, THEY SHOULD WORK MORE.

138 piratedan  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:44:15pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

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maybe she thought she was going to be subjected to search by enema…. // (kinda sorta)

139 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:44:26pm

re: #136 thedopefishlives

Just heard from the fishfolk. The city of Kokomo is a wreck; 2 EF-2 tornados struck it yesterday, rendering the southern parts a veritable war zone. My family’s farm is okay, but further up the road there were trees down, roofs damaged, even barns and houses destroyed. Going home for Christmas is just a little bit more important this year, because we all came about that close to not having a home to go back to.

I’m glad your folks are ok. I know the havoc that this can bring.

I was out mowing the lawn when the phone call came in about the tornado at my grandparents’. Later that afternoon, another phone call came in and I got to go to see the Devils play for the Stanley Cup (lost that game, but won the Cup).

We were out there for 3 weeks, that summer, in a camper that slept 5 (if you were generous). The bathroom was in the house, the kitchen in the garage. The rest of the house was gutted.

I’ll never again walk my feet up the wood paneling as I fail to fall asleep because it’s too hot in the attic.

140 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:47:12pm

re: #139 klys

It should be noted that this damage (losing the tin from the roof, followed by a 3” downpour) is classified as ‘light’ structural damage by the weather service. (It was an F-1.)

Just to put this in perspective when reading the weather service description of damage, and trying to interpret what this means for real people on the ground.

141 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:48:28pm

re: #113 Lidane

Fox Business host wonders if “the female brain” is a hindrance to success in the tech industry

it’s a myth that there are no female software engineers

there aren’t enough female software engineers, and there aren’t hardly any american female software engineers

but there are a fair number of female software engineers - it’s just that they are from asia or india

as for female tech business executives, i’m sure most women are too practical-minded to get involved with such vagaries as ‘executives’ and ‘management’

142 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:49:31pm

re: #135 Vicious Babushka

This Walmart thing reminded me of: “Walmart Employee Hit With Felony for Snacking on Store Oreos”

i’ve heard a rumor that most department store employees are actually mammals

143 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:51:35pm

HURR HURR

144 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:53:01pm

Oh and then they say (wait for it)
HURR HURR IF WALMART SHUT DOWN THEN WEAR WULD ALL THOSE WORKERS GO? THEY’D BE ALL UNEMPLOYED ANH TAKIN EVEN MOAR WELFARES & FOOD STAMPZ!!!!!

145 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:53:48pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Sounds like a smug white guy that hasn’t been in the job market for a while.

146 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:53:54pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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JOBS ARE SCATTERED ABOUT FREELY, JUST LIKE WHEN I WAS A CHILD.

//

Seriously, we talk about privilege (sometimes) as it relates to race or gender, but I’m totally calling out age privilege here as well. Yes, there are jobs to be had if you are perfect, but most people didn’t have that forethought in college and that probably includes the person posting. They just don’t realize shit has changed.

147 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:54:28pm
148 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:54:41pm

re: #141 dog philosopher

As a blond female in a graduate level engineering class, I was a serious minority.

Like, serious.

149 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:55:05pm

re: #146 klys

JOBS ARE SCATTERED ABOUT FREELY, JUST LIKE WHEN I WAS A CHILD.

//

Seriously, we talk about privilege (sometimes) as it relates to race or gender, but I’m totally calling out age privilege here as well. Yes, there are jobs to be had if you are perfect, but most people didn’t have that forethought in college and that probably includes the person posting. They just don’t realize shit has changed.

I get more calls from recruiters now than I did when I was unemployed.

150 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:55:07pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

If Walmart workers want to earn more, why don’t they work somewhere else that pays more? It’s a free country

— John Liberty

since you’re so smart mr ‘liberty’ why don’t you go get a job that pays you two or three times as much as you make now?

it’s a free country

151 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:56:03pm

re: #140 klys

It should be noted that this damage (losing the tin from the roof, followed by a 3” downpour) is classified as ‘light’ structural damage by the weather service. (It was an F-1.)

Just to put this in perspective when reading the weather service description of damage, and trying to interpret what this means for real people on the ground.

Just called my sister, who lives in Kokomo proper. Minimal property damage; their neighbors on all sides suffered greatly, but their house was one of those spared by the curious whimsy of the storm. People who think living in the Midwest is a cakewalk compared to the earthquakes on the left coast or the hurricanes on the right need to have a proper introduction to the power of tornadoes.

152 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:57:05pm

HURR HURR

153 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:57:09pm

re: #136 thedopefishlives

Just heard from the fishfolk. The city of Kokomo is a wreck; 2 EF-2 tornados struck it yesterday, rendering the southern parts a veritable war zone. My family’s farm is okay, but further up the road there were trees down, roofs damaged, even barns and houses destroyed. Going home for Christmas is just a little bit more important this year, because we all came about that close to not having a home to go back to.

Continuing here in my suggestions, save the links and whatnot from stuff you find now.

It’ll be easier than trolling the Googles later.

The New Lisbon/Mauston tornado discussed here was the system that hit my grandparents. I know the yellow house isn’t theirs just because theirs didn’t have a porch. Must have been the one further down the street.

Pretty much 50 acres of woods got clear-cut following that storm. The funds at least allowed them to expand on the house (in the family since the 1910-1920 era).

154 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:57:11pm

re: #146 klys

JOBS ARE SCATTERED ABOUT FREELY, JUST LIKE WHEN I WAS A CHILD.

//

Seriously, we talk about privilege (sometimes) as it relates to race or gender, but I’m totally calling out age privilege here as well. Yes, there are jobs to be had if you are perfect, but most people didn’t have that forethought in college and that probably includes the person posting. They just don’t realize shit has changed.

No shit. “Why don’t you go out there looking for jobs? Go fill out some applications and talk with the managers!” Except nowadays, most places don’t stock paper applications anymore, it’s all done online. And the applications don’t go directly to the store, they go to home office, who filters them through software to decide if you’re trustworthy or a hardworker based upon a 50-70 answer survey before sending your application to the shops in the area that are hiring.

The days of walking in and chatting up the manager are over. These days, unless he’s also the owner, all you’re doing is wasting his time.

155 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:58:17pm

re: #148 klys

As a blond female in a graduate level engineering class, I was a serious minority.

Like, serious.

in the software engineering shops like the one that i work in, there are female software engineers, but like i said not at 50/50 parity, and not from the united states

i’d say about 20% female engineers but almost exclusively educated in india or east asian countries

there’s a problem getting americans of any sex to study computer science since it apparently makes your skin turn green and requires you to spend the summer underground

156 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 3:59:05pm

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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ECONOMICS ARE HARD. ONE EMPLOYER DOESN’T MEAN THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS EVEN IF THEY’VE PUT EVERYONE ELSE OUT OF BUSINESS WITHIN THE RANGE YOU COULD DRIVE ON THE DIFFERENCE IN WAGES, HURR HURR.

//

The expression that comes to mind involves rusty pokers.

157 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:00:20pm
158 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:00:33pm

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159 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:01:14pm

re: #155 dog philosopher

in the software engineering shops like the one that i work in, there are female software engineers, but like i said not at 50/50 parity, and not from the united states

i’d say about 20% female engineers but almost exclusively educated in india or east asian countries

there’s a problem getting americans of any sex to study computer science since it apparently makes your skin turn green and requires you to spend the summer underground

It’s true. The disparity in my Ph.D discipline was less bad but in the engineering one that I did an MS in for fun (shut up, I’m a masochist), it was BAD.

Even in my class for the certificate now, most of the TAs are male (I can’t speak to the general class make-up as all I see are the lecturer and the TAs since I take it online).

I do have a nice after-final drinks date with two other girls who frequently show up at office hours with me. (Fuck math proofs.)

160 Tigger2  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:02:23pm

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

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That John Liberty is really quite the fool, It doesn’t seem like he lives in the real world when It comes to the limited employment opportunities that are available to a lot of people in this country.

161 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:02:28pm

re: #20 Targetpractice

Why go that far? He was already bloviating last week that the ACA means prostitutes will be given “free” healthcare.

I don’t why Rush would be upset about that. With his repulsive personality, prostitutes having health care coverage would seem to be benefit to him, seeing as how likely he is to need their services.

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:04:45pm

re: #136 thedopefishlives

Just heard from the fishfolk. The city of Kokomo is a wreck; 2 EF-2 tornados struck it yesterday, rendering the southern parts a veritable war zone. My family’s farm is okay, but further up the road there were trees down, roofs damaged, even barns and houses destroyed. Going home for Christmas is just a little bit more important this year, because we all came about that close to not having a home to go back to.

Husband just called. They finished up storm repair in Kentucky and are now headed to Lafayette, Ind.

And my well pump still isn’t working.
Maybe tomorrow…

163 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:05:34pm

re: #153 klys

This storm was the first one that hit the fishfolks’ town back in 1965. I can’t seem to find the one that hit along the exact same path in the 1990’s, but I know it’s in there somewhere.

164 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:05:41pm
165 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:06:25pm

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

Husband just called. They finished up storm repair in Kentucky and are now headed to Lafayette, Ind.

And my well pump still isn’t working.
Maybe tomorrow…

Bugger on the well pump. I hope that gets fixed soon.

I keep meaning to ask, what have you farmed? My grandparents had a few fields they rented out but that was either hay or corn and I’m not sure they even do that anymore. I’m always curious, though.

166 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:08:04pm

re: #151 thedopefishlives

Just called my sister, who lives in Kokomo proper. Minimal property damage; their neighbors on all sides suffered greatly, but their house was one of those spared by the curious whimsy of the storm. People who think living in the Midwest is a cakewalk compared to the earthquakes on the left coast or the hurricanes on the right need to have a proper introduction to the power of tornadoes.

THIS.

I was here for the ‘71 Sylmar quake, In the bay area in the ‘89 SF quake, here for Northridge, Whittier Narrows. I never got more than a cut. Sure some people died, many hurt. Very sad to get trapped in a building or overpass. But that’s just not the same devastation. Earthquakes come without warning, but what good is that stuck in traffic on a highway with an f4 or f5 coming at ya? No where to run. I want NOTHING to do with tornadoes big enough to toss a house or car.

167 BongCrodny  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:08:31pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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F’n idiot.

In my hometown, if you’re not fortunate enough to get in the paper mill — and they laid off 45 employees earlier this year, so good luck with that — about the only place you might expect to find work is Wal-Mart. My hometown is about 45 miles from the nearest city of any size.

You’re sure not going to be able to save the money you need to “improve” yourself on seven bucks plus change an hour.

168 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:09:10pm

re: #141 dog philosopher

it’s a myth that there are no female software engineers

there aren’t enough female software engineers, and there aren’t hardly any american female software engineers

but there are a fair number of female software engineers - it’s just that they are from asia or india

as for female tech business executives, i’m sure most women are too practical-minded to get involved with such vagaries as ‘executives’ and ‘management’

Where I work we have 4 female software engineers (out of about 30 total). Of those 4, three are Asian and the fourth used to be a guy.

169 piratedan  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:09:22pm

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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yeah, like striking for higher wages!

170 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:10:14pm

The Politico-driven outrage of the day continues:

Duncan tries to quell uproar over Common Core comments

With all the problems in the world, the Beltway set, in their all too common narcissistic fashion, think every little utterance can be turned into an outrage. Never mind that there is nothing actually wrong with what Duncan said, just that someone might be offended somewhere, so let’s make it the centerpiece of our thinking today.

171 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:10:19pm

re: #168 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Where I work we have 4 female software engineers (out of about 30 total). Of those 4, three are Asian and the fourth used to be a guy.

I offer props to your employer for being LGBT friendly!

172 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:10:47pm

re: #163 thedopefishlives

This storm was the first one that hit the fishfolks’ town back in 1965. I can’t seem to find the one that hit along the exact same path in the 1990’s, but I know it’s in there somewhere.

The current Googles have yielded little beyond, ironically enough, the earthquake history for Kokomo.

173 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:11:47pm

re: #169 piratedan

yeah, like striking for higher wages!

174 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:12:00pm

re: #172 klys

The current Googles have yielded little beyond, ironically enough, the earthquake history for Kokomo.

Found it.

175 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:14:04pm

re: #171 klys

I offer props to your employer for being LGBT friendly!

Yeah, as far as I know no one at work (employers or coworkers) gave her any trouble at all with the transition, which started about 10 years ago.

It’s a large software company, which is (AFAIK) an industry where LGBT-friendliness is more or less taken for granted.

176 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:17:12pm

re: #175 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Yeah, as far as I know no one at work (employers or coworkers) gave her any trouble at all with the transition, which started about 10 years ago.

It’s a large software company, which is (AFAIK) an industry where LGBT-friendliness is more or less taken for granted.

Having seen friends transition, I won’t say it’s always 100% smooth, but it’s still much better in tech than in a lot of other places.

re: #174 thedopefishlives

Found it.

Yeah, I ended up focusing on 1990 which wasn’t turning anything up (there was an outbreak in Indiana on June 2, 1990, but Howard County was spared).

But for your edification:

On 7/12/1986 at 08:19:37, a magnitude 4.5 (4.5 MB, Class: Light, Intensity: IV - V) earthquake occurred 92.7 miles away from the city center
On 9/12/2004 at 13:05:19, a magnitude 3.8 (3.5 MB, 3.8 MW, 3.6 LG, Depth: 3.8 mi, Class: Light, Intensity: II - III) earthquake occurred 64.0 miles away from Kokomo center
On 4/14/2000 at 03:54:20, a magnitude 3.6 (3.6 LG, Depth: 3.1 mi) earthquake occurred 59.7 miles away from the city center
On 12/20/1990 at 14:04:17, a magnitude 3.6 (3.6 LG, Depth: 6.2 mi) earthquake occurred 69.3 miles away from the city center
On 12/17/1990 at 05:24:59, a magnitude 3.2 (3.2 MD, Depth: 6.2 mi) earthquake occurred 56.0 miles away from Kokomo center
On 4/17/1990 at 10:27:34, a magnitude 3.0 (3.0 LG, Depth: 3.1 mi) earthquake occurred 67.4 miles away from the city center

Read more: city-data.com

177 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:18:29pm

re: #176 klys

I may live to regret this, but the Bay Area has had one earthquake > 4.0 since I moved here. ONE.

(As long as we are sub-5.5, I’m not complaining.)

178 darthstar  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:18:30pm

I’m sorry, Charles, but how do you ignore a story about a crack-smoking mayor? Even a white one! Just kidding. Hey, saw the post about GZ beatin’ on his honey. Can’t wait to see the Hannity interview for that trial.

179 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:19:02pm

re: #168 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

the fourth used to be a guy

hmm i used to work w an engineer who fit that description

doesn’t have blonde bangs by any chance?

180 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:20:10pm

Wow just…I can’t even…This guy is FUCKED UP

181 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:20:56pm

John Liberty is an ass hole.

182 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:21:26pm

i have also heard that women are seriously underrepresented among crack-smoking mayors

183 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:21:44pm
184 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:22:12pm

re: #72 Justanotherhuman

Samantha Scheibe ID’ed as Likely Girlfriend in George Zimmerman Arrest: Reports

theepochtimes.com

If that’s her, now we know why he was arrested and charged so quickly. You can’t threaten to shoot an blond white woman. Seriously, what was he thinking?

185 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:24:26pm

re: #182 dog philosopher

i have also heard that women are seriously underrepresented among crack-smoking mayors

That’s because we’re smart enough to do it in the basements of our own homes.

/////

186 BongCrodny  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:24:42pm

re: #183 Vicious Babushka

I have a top flight MBA

Okay, now I understand why he’s a dick.

187 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:24:47pm

re: #165 klys

Bugger on the well pump. I hope that gets fixed soon.

I keep meaning to ask, what have you farmed? My grandparents had a few fields they rented out but that was either hay or corn and I’m not sure they even do that anymore. I’m always curious, though.

In Illinois, I farmed fruit & veg. When I moved to Kentucky some 20 years ago, I grew tobacco the first 5 or 6 years (hated growing it, loved end of season auction sales at the tobacco warehouse) and started transitioning rapidly back to fruit & veg. Around 1998, I was one of the original five founders of our county’s farmers market and got completely out of tobacco growing a few years later.
Nowadays, I grow mostly hay but still have about an acre or so of fruit and veg, plus 50 blueberry bushes. Might go back into raising Christmas trees again, but on a very small scale. Deer like to snack on the white pine seedlings and there’s some sort of nasty pine beetle that is very partial to my Scotch pines. Still have about 50 of the Christmas trees from the original planting back in the 90s, but they’re timber size now, unless someone has cathedral ceilings.
Most of my farm is actually managed hardwood timber (about 90% of the 200 acres). We did some selective logging back in 2005 and should be able to do that again in about 10 or 15 years.

188 Tigger2  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:25:05pm

re: #183 Vicious Babushka

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He sure as hell didn’t learn any compassion for his fellow man while getting that MBA. He’s one of those “I have mine fuck you” kind of people.

189 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:25:12pm

re: #109 Justanotherhuman

Gawd, I’d be embarrassed to even admit I’d fucked Z, not to mention getting pregnant by him.

But—there’s no accounting for taste, I suppose.

Has it occurred to you that she may be just as awful a person as he is? I gotta admit, I’m having a hard time feeling sorry for this chick.

190 lockjawcanbefun  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:25:13pm

And Rob Ford continues to be the gift that keeps on giving. I was wondering why the Sam Scratch Kuwait was suddenly trending in Toronto.

Wounded Rob Ford likens council’s stripping him of powers to Kuwait invasion

Link

191 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:25:28pm

re: #179 dog philosopher

hmm i used to work w an engineer who fit that description

doesn’t have blonde bangs by any chance?

Nope. (Neither did the transgender engineer I worked with at my previous job.)

192 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:26:41pm

re: #189 moderatelyradicalliberal

Has it occurred to you that she may be just as awful a person as he is? I gotta admit, I’m having a hard time feeling sorry for this chick.

My wife thinks ‘wingnut groupie.’ I’m inclined to agree.

193 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:26:47pm

re: #183 Vicious Babushka

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And how was his undergrad paid for? Food that he ate as a child? What about his parents’ educations? Are these options still available today?

(Note; my parents got their masters’ via Bell Labs. Good luck with that today. Certainly played a huge role in my economic standing growing up.)

Look, I may have paid nothing for my undergrad degree but at least I acknowledge that was really fucking unusual and am more than willing to pay my share back instead of spitting on people saying I got mine, now you deal.

194 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:27:04pm

re: #180 Vicious Babushka

It’s fine for Mercedes workers to not get paid enough to drive a high-end Mercedes, but when your market is literally the bottom of the barrel, if you can’t pay your workers enough to shop at your store, YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG.

195 Aqua Obama  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:28:27pm

re: #190 lockjawcanbefun

Wounded Rob Ford likens council’s stripping him of powers to Kuwait invasion

Link

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196 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:29:17pm

re: #148 klys

As a blond female in a graduate level engineering class, I was a serious minority.

Like, serious.

Black female w/ a chemical engineering degree. You couldn’t have possible been more of a minority than me.

197 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:29:19pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

Not that we are in the area, but we’ve been looking at Christmas trees the past few days . He’s a firm live-tree aficionado, I like artificial. I suspect we’re skipping one altogether this year (if I have to have it down by Dec. 18th, why am I putting it up?) but maybe next year we’ll go by the one featured on Mythbusters a few years back, in search of his favored style of tree.

198 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:29:25pm

re: #180 Vicious Babushka

And Mercedes pays well enough for their workers to buy ‘em.
glassdoor.com

199 Dizzy  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:30:23pm

Jean-Claude Van Damme and Rob Ford

200 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:30:51pm

re: #184 moderatelyradicalliberal

If that’s her, now we know why he was arrested and charged so quickly. You can’t threaten to shoot an blond white woman. Seriously, what was he thinking?

She is apparently willing to press the charges unlike his wife previously.

If he is found guilty he becomes a prohibited person though for purposes of gun ownership and that would be a very good thing for everyone.

201 Zamb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:30:52pm

re: #183 Vicious Babushka

Can I assume that was done years ago when college was maybe a quarter of the price it is today. Most of my friends graduated with 40k in debt and that doesn’t even consider living expenses, which is about all a job while in school will actually cover.

202 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:31:16pm

re: #196 moderatelyradicalliberal

Black female w/ a chemical engineering degree. You couldn’t have possible been more of a minority than me.

It’s true, there are very few of them, and I do not mean to denigrate the success of those who make it that far at all.

I suspect at the time you got your degree that being female *also* put you at much more a minority than I was in that sense, and I continue to acknowledge the changes that generation made, that have made it possible for me to move forward on them. Thank you.

203 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:34:01pm

re: #165 klys

Bugger on the well pump. I hope that gets fixed soon.

As for the well pump, we got the foot valve replaced, but couldn’t get the pump to prime. After three hours of getting an occasional dribble of brown water coming out of the taps — and a huge discussion of what kind of crazed person installed the really weirdly arranged pipes (I suggested it was the same eejit that put in the electrical wiring in the house back in the 60s when electricity finally arrived in the holler) — the general consensus is that one of said weirdly arranged and installed pipes (and it would have to be one of the ones buried underground) has broken, thus the muddy water (well water and jugs of water for priming the pump were all clear).
Soooo….tomorrow’s project is digging up about 10-feet of pipe(s) and replacing it.
On the upside, we were able to fill up some empty plastic jugs directly from the well so I can at least flush the toilet…

Fingers crossed.

204 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:34:23pm

Walmart doesn’t actually produce anything. It’s a retailer, whose entire strategy is to cut costs to the bone and drive the competition out of business.

It’s a strategy that’s enriched the family, but few others. The costs include paying employees the bare minimum - hardly sufficient to buy the very goods that the store sells. It counts on workers getting government assistance for making up the difference.

205 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:34:49pm

re: #195 Aqua Obama

Dear Rob Ford,

Youtube Video

That is all.

No love,
Me

206 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:35:23pm

re: #202 klys

It’s true, there are very few of them, and I do not mean to denigrate the success of those who make it that far at all.

I suspect at the time you got your degree that being female *also* put you at much more a minority than I was in that sense, and I continue to acknowledge the changes that generation made, that have made it possible for me to move forward on them. Thank you.

I know you weren’t and engineering is rough no matter who you are.

But LOL!, I got my degree back in 2002. I am only 34 so I don’t deserve your gratitude. I think we might be more contemporaries than anything.

207 Kragar  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:35:35pm

So many of these self entitled assholes complaining about “back in my day” fail to realize they aren’t back in their days any more.

208 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:36:19pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

As for the well pump, we got the foot valve replaced, but couldn’t get the pump to prime. After three hours of getting an occasional dribble of brown water coming out of the taps — and a huge discussion of what kind of crazed person installed the really weirdly arranged pipes (I suggested it was the same eejit that put in the electrical wiring in the house back in the 60s when electricity finally arrived in the holler) — the general consensus is that one of said weirdly arranged and installed pipes (and it would have to be one of the ones buried underground) has broken, thus the muddy water (well water and jugs of water for priming the pump were all clear).
Soooo….tomorrow’s project is digging up about 10-feet of pipe(s) and replacing it.
On the upside, we were able to fill up some empty plastic jugs directly from the well so I can at least flush the toilet…

Fingers crossed.

I’m glad you can at least fill something from the well.

I frequently have that discussion regarding the idiocy of the builder of the house with contractors. I am very familiar with it. Don’t get me started on the need for a replacement oven. (Dear next homeowner, go right ahead and remodel the kitchen. It’s just not worth the work/time to selling ratio for me.)

209 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:36:44pm

re: #188 Tigger2

He sure as hell didn’t learn any compassion for his fellow man while getting that MBA. He’s one of those “I have mine fuck you” kind of people.

He also hasn’t gotten that “top flight MBA” in the last 10-15 years. Grad school is nearly impossible without loans unless you’re already rich.

210 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:37:46pm

re: #206 moderatelyradicalliberal

I know you weren’t and engineering is rough no matter who you are.

But LOL!, I got my degree back in 2002. I am only 34 so I don’t deserve your gratitude. I think we might be more contemporaries than anything.

Hell, even 2002 is hard. I went dual chem/chemE starting in 2003 and decided, while on drugs having had my wisdom teeth removed, that I didn’t like engineering and dropped the CE part.

Instead, I got my Ph.D before deciding I didn’t like research either. -_- I’m on a roll so far.

211 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:38:01pm

re: #204 lawhawk

Walmart has demonstrated quite well that near term profits can be maximized by ignoring longer term costs to the community.

Both local retail outlets as well as manufacturers in the US have been steam rolled by Walmart’s strategy of going for the global juggernaut of pushing costs onto others while taking the profits all to themselves.

It’s a perfect company for the Ayn Rand utopia.

212 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:38:40pm

re: #188 Tigger2

He sure as hell didn’t learn any compassion for his fellow man while getting that MBA. He’s one of those “I have mine fuck you” kind of people.

MBA = More Bullshit Academics
And they keep on proving that…

213 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:40:02pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

MBA = More Bullshit Academics
And they keep on proving that…

Not all of us with an MBA are like that tool. He’s just a spiteful, entitled asshole that happens to have the degree.

214 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:40:26pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

MBA = More Bullshit Academics
And they keep on proving that…

I did know one guy who was taking matsci classes with me in grad school. He was in the Ph.D. program for matsci and just doing the MBA on the side. (I wasn’t the only idiot. Although maybe his version was smarter.)

He was in a car that managed to go off the side of Highway 1 a year after I started classes with him. :( Really good guy, probably one of the ones I could have respected. I still wonder at what he might have accomplished.

215 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:41:16pm

re: #210 klys

Hell, even 2002 is hard. I went dual chem/chemE starting in 2003 and decided, while on drugs having had my wisdom teeth removed, that I didn’t like engineering and dropped the CE part.

Instead, I got my Ph.D before deciding I didn’t like research either. -_- I’m on a roll so far.

I got my degree, but I decided I didn’t really like engineering that much. I had enough internships to figure that out. I went on to get an MBA in health services management and working in health care suits me a lot better. I work at a FQHC and I love it.

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:41:27pm

re: #197 klys

Not that we are in the area, but we’ve been looking at Christmas trees the past few days . He’s a firm live-tree aficionado, I like artificial. I suspect we’re skipping one altogether this year (if I have to have it down by Dec. 18th, why am I putting it up?) but maybe next year we’ll go by the one featured on Mythbusters a few years back, in search of his favored style of tree.

Every year, hubby gets wistful about a live Christmas tree.
I remind him of what the dogs did with the one and only live tree we had.
Then I remind him that we now are also owned by two cats…

217 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:43:26pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

Every year, hubby gets wistful about a live Christmas tree.
I remind him of what the dogs did with the one and only live tree we had.
Then I remind him that we now are also owned by two cats…

I haven’t won the fight.

Yet.

re: #215 moderatelyradicalliberal

I got my degree, but I decided I didn’t really like engineering that much. I had enough internships to figure that out. I went on to get an MBA in health services management and working in health care suits me a lot better. I work at a FQHC and I love it.

I’m doing a certificate to let me get past HR in Silicon Valley right now. Hopefully.

As long as it doesn’t require fucking math proofs, I will be happy. (Caveats applied, mostly due to relationship qualifications - I want flexible vacation options and good healthcare. The ability to work from home is a huge plus. And yes, I am hugely greedy.)

218 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:44:17pm

IT’S TEH DERPNADO!!

219 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:44:59pm

re: #206 moderatelyradicalliberal

I know you weren’t and engineering is rough no matter who you are.

But LOL!, I got my degree back in 2002. I am only 34 so I don’t deserve your gratitude. I think we might be more contemporaries than anything.

Also, every woman who makes it through and teaches the males in her class that she can do engineering deserves my gratitude. It’s one fewer set I have to teach.

only half /

220 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:45:21pm

re: #217 klys

I haven’t won the fight.

Yet.

I’m doing a certificate to let me get past HR in Silicon Valley right now. Hopefully.

As long as it doesn’t require fucking math proofs, I will be happy. (Caveats applied, mostly due to relationship qualifications - I want flexible vacation options and good healthcare. The ability to work from home is a huge plus. And yes, I am hugely greedy.)

Well good luck. I have flexible vacation where I work and it’s awesome.

221 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:45:52pm

re: #217 klys

As long as it doesn’t require fucking math proofs

i thought the professor said the fucking will be left to the students as an exercise

222 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:46:32pm

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

Someone needs to remind this dipshit that the paved roads and infrastructure he takes for granted on his daily commute requires mooching off others, since they’re public roads.

223 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:46:41pm

re: #219 klys

Also, every woman who makes it through and teaches the males in her class that she can do engineering deserves my gratitude. It’s one fewer set I have to teach.

only half /

This is true.

224 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:47:44pm

re: #220 moderatelyradicalliberal

Well good luck. I have flexible vacation where I work and it’s awesome.

Thanks. :) My husband is older and has been in the workforce longer, so has 5 weeks a year, and loves to travel. I really need more than two weeks or the ability to work remotely. Otherwise I have an unhappy husband.

225 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:47:44pm
226 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:48:06pm

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

IT’S TEH DERPNADO!!

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This d-bag is a fucking liar. You mention Mercedes and he just happens have one that he paid for in cash? Please, he is full of shit.

227 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:48:18pm

re: #221 dog philosopher

i thought the professor said the fucking will be left to the students as an exercise

…

…

I can’t resist.

I did that, but it didn’t write down the math proof solutions.

228 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:48:20pm

I admit that I once was a strong “Free Trade” advocate, but seeing what the likes of Walmart have done over the past 30 years I now accept the old adage that nothing in life is “Free”.

The Waltons were brilliant - they knew exactly how to ride the global free trade wagon to hire near-slaves in the poorest parts of the world. Yes, Walmart sells “Made in America” products overtly labeled as so, but the ultra-low price leaders in the store are often made overseas.

Walmart has also demonstrated that there is an excess of labor available in the US, and this means they could bid down the price for workers. This is a problem our society was warned about, when it became clear that the industrial revolution first made the old trades obsolete, but then automation (robots) made many of the new jobs obsolete also. It just doesn’t take as many humans to build an object anymore, so we have a surplus of workers.

Our society just has never figured out a way to deal with this problem. I was warned about it in philosophy class (amazingly) over 30 years ago - that we didn’t have a system of dealing with the new “leisure” society where everybody was not needed to labor.

229 Internet Tough Guy  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:48:56pm
P.S. I own a Mercedes. I paid cash.

Most money launderers do.

230 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:49:08pm

NOW TEH BUTTHURT

231 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:49:26pm

re: #226 moderatelyradicalliberal

This d-bag is a fucking liar. You mention Mercedes and he just happens have one that he paid for in cash? Please, he is full of shit.

Or he’s a meth cooker.

232 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:50:05pm

re: #221 dog philosopher

i thought the professor said the fucking will be left to the students as an exercise

Good exercise at that. More than 140 calories per hour.

233 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:50:51pm

re: #231 Vicious Babushka

Or he’s a meth cooker.

There is no more a ruthless capitalist than a drug dealer.

234 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:50:58pm

re: #224 klys

Thanks. :) My husband is older and has been in the workforce longer, so has 5 weeks a year, and loves to travel. I really need more than two weeks or the ability to work remotely. Otherwise I have an unhappy husband.

My company just went to a model of “take a vacation whenever, as long as the work gets done”. I try not to take too much advantage of it, but it is nice when I’ve gone too long without sleep and I need to catch up.

235 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:51:59pm

re: #231 Vicious Babushka

Or he’s a meth cooker.

Or has no ability to consider any situation other than the one he has personally experienced, and interprets everything through that window.

We save and pay cash for the cars and I still don’t think we’d be comfortable paying for a Mercedes. (That was a fucking big check to write.)

((Why the fuck did he make me negotiate? I’d never done that before. Never been *in* a negotiation before. Negotiation consisted of: “Here’s what Edmund’s says is reasonable, this is what I’m willing to pay. I’m walking out otherwise.” …it did work, but…)

236 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:52:15pm

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

To 11TY and beyond:


I’m sure his mom might beg to differ… / John, come up from the basement and stop playing with your friends… /

237 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:52:16pm

re: #230 Vicious Babushka

NOW TEH BUTTHURT

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But it’s OK for HIM to tell YOU what not to say…

238 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:53:27pm

re: #234 thedopefishlives

My company just went to a model of “take a vacation whenever, as long as the work gets done”. I try not to take too much advantage of it, but it is nice when I’ve gone too long without sleep and I need to catch up.

I would be happy with this.

Netflix is headquartered down the street (literally - I could bike) but I’m not sure I want to try to interview there. He’d probably like it, because I think he wants the potential for startup again (and he’s more to their taste than I am) and one of us needs to have some form of healthcare.

239 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:53:54pm

Those who don’t want to leach off others should have the freedom to do so, It’s called liberty.

— John Liberty

“I’ve built walls,
A fortress deep and mighty,
That none may penetrate.
I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain.
It’s laughter and it’s loving I disdain.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

Don’t talk of love,
But I’ve heard the words before;
It’s sleeping in my memory.
I won’t disturb the slumber of feelings that have died.
If I never loved I never would have cried.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

I have my books
And my poetry to protect me;
I am shielded in my armor,
Hiding in my room, safe within my womb.
I touch no one and no one touches me.
I am a rock,
I am an island.

And a rock feels no pain;
And an island never cries.”

- simon & garfunkel

240 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:53:57pm

re: #233 moderatelyradicalliberal

There is no more a ruthless capitalist than a drug dealer.

Definitely.

241 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:54:44pm
242 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:54:49pm

OK I’m calling it quits. This guy is just making shit up. Next he’ll say he’s married to Paris Hilton.

243 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:55:50pm

wow…

244 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:56:22pm

re: #242 Vicious Babushka

OK I’m calling it quits. This guy is just making shit up. Next he’ll say he’s married to Paris Hilton.

Or…he’s seen Morgan Fairchild…nekkid!

245 Zamb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:56:44pm

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

Yea I’m thinking drug dealer, or he works in the oil Industry. My dad does that and he got me a job there to pay for college. Fuckers get shitloads in per diem and some are really big in paying in cash. Most people don’t pay for cars and shit like that in cash.

246 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:56:55pm

re: #238 klys

I would be happy with this.

Netflix is headquartered down the street (literally - I could bike) but I’m not sure I want to try to interview there. He’d probably like it, because I think he wants the potential for startup again (and he’s more to their taste than I am) and one of us needs to have some form of healthcare.

We’re one of those tiny companies that does off-the-wall things in the name of keeping our employees (all 20-ish of them) happy. The company pays 100% of our health insurance premiums, we have unfettered PTO, the boss buys all kinds of geeky tech toys and plays with them in the office, buzzing our desks with drone helicopters and peppering us with NERF machine gun fire. It’s a fun place to work, even if some of our clients are dumbasses.

247 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:58:27pm

As a fun caveat, I found the paper that convinced me to start my retirement account (at 17!) while cleaning out my room at home.

It has a charge that includes the amount in an investment account for two investors, growing (hah) 10% by year.

Investor B invest 2000 per year from 18 to 25 and never invests again. Investor A starts investing 2000 per year at 26. Investor B has a higher gain at the end of this time period.

THE MAJOR CAVEAT: you need to be able to invest 2000 per year at age 18 (and the market needs to make 10% per year, no questions asked). This was published in 1998.

I won’t bemoan the fact that I have a retirement account as a result, but I was in a position where I was able to do so and that was a privilege. Not to mention, unrealistic (10% per year on average? REALLY?).

248 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:58:28pm

re: #245 Zamb

Yea I’m thinking drug dealer, or he works in the oil Industry. My dad does that and he got me a job there to pay for college. Fuckers get shitloads in per diem and some are really big in paying in cash. Most people don’t pay for cars and shit like that in cash.

LOL! I’m sorry, but that just made me laugh. Well guess they are both cartels?

249 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:58:30pm
250 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:59:09pm

re: #246 thedopefishlives

We’re one of those tiny companies that does off-the-wall things in the name of keeping our employees (all 20-ish of them) happy. The company pays 100% of our health insurance premiums, we have unfettered PTO, the boss buys all kinds of geeky tech toys and plays with them in the office, buzzing our desks with drone helicopters and peppering us with NERF machine gun fire. It’s a fun place to work, even if some of our clients are dumbasses.

They don’t want a work-remotely employee from the Bay Area, do they?

/half

251 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:59:11pm

That was my final Tweet to John Batshit Liberty

252 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:59:29pm

Another oh wow…

253 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 4:59:44pm

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

Or he got a junker. /

254 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:00:38pm

re: #250 klys

They don’t want a work-remotely employee from the Bay Area, do they?

/half

I don’t know, but I like working here so much that I’m half tempted to see if they’ll keep me on somehow when the Mrs. Fish and I decide to move back to fish country.

255 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:00:45pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

Another oh wow…

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That is just amazing. I know how much pain and heartbreak that represents when it hits populated areas, but to see the mark on the earth like that, it’s a terrible beauty in nature.

256 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:02:04pm

re: #255 klys

That is just amazing. I know how much pain and heartbreak that represents when it hits populated areas, but to see the mark on the earth like that, it’s a terrible beauty in nature.

My feelings exactly.
That picture looks like a force of nature Spirograph drawing.

257 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:02:38pm
258 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:02:53pm

re: #254 thedopefishlives

I don’t know, but I like working here so much that I’m half tempted to see if they’ll keep me on somehow when the Mrs. Fish and I decide to move back to fish country.

I won’t lie, I’m terrified of the job market because I want something more like that and I don’t think my qualifications are up to snuff. How do you contrast a Ph.D. in science + a certificate in CS versus a BS in CS? Even if both of the former are from a good school?

You guys haven’t even see me hit the job market yet.

259 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:03:18pm

re: #255 klys

That is just amazing. I know how much pain and heartbreak that represents when it hits populated areas, but to see the mark on the earth like that, it’s a terrible beauty in nature.

Today I saw I man who’s house was destroyed in IL. He broke down and cried, but he kept looking through the rubble for his cat. When he found the cat he cried again and I did too.

260 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:04:02pm

Update: Walmart already stepped on Thanksgiving

A mess of fact errors on the giant retailer opening on turkey day

261 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:04:40pm

re: #259 moderatelyradicalliberal

Today I saw I man who’s house was destroyed in IL. He broke down and cried, but he kept looking through the rubble for his cat. When he found the cat he cried again and I did too.

My terror is planning for earthquakes with the cats. Keeping enough cat food on hand for them, making sure our emergency water supplies will cover them.

Our house will probably survive (it did Loma Prieta) but resources is another question. Hurricane planning is somewhat easier in this respect.

262 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:04:42pm

Also.

263 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:05:07pm

re: #260 Killgore Trout

Update: Walmart already stepped on Thanksgiving

cjr.org>cjr.org>

Oh, well then, that’s totally ok. Carry on.

///

264 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:05:29pm

re: #258 klys

I won’t lie, I’m terrified of the job market because I want something more like that and I don’t think my qualifications are up to snuff. How do you contrast a Ph.D. in science + a certificate in CS versus a BS in CS? Even if both of the former are from a good school?

You guys haven’t even see me hit the job market yet.

If you were open to moving up here, I would suggest it. The big boss took a risk hiring me - my educational background is CS, but the only professional job I was able to get out of college was in Quality Assurance. Everybody wanted to hire me as a tester, but he decided to bring me on in a development role. It seems to have worked out fabulously so far.

265 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:08:24pm

My favorite TV show “Bones” got moved to another time when I can’t watch it, to make room for some Robocop show.

I haz a sad. :(

What is this TIVO thing?

266 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:08:58pm

re: #264 thedopefishlives

If you were open to moving up here, I would suggest it. The big boss took a risk hiring me - my educational background is CS, but the only professional job I was able to get out of college was in Quality Assurance. Everybody wanted to hire me as a tester, but he decided to bring me on in a development role. It seems to have worked out fabulously so far.

We are open to ANYTHING. Seriously. The husband is in a role that could transition to remote with a drop in pay, if he wanted it, but that could be picked up by me making an actual salary to get experience.

When it looked like I might want to do research, upstate NY was a serious possibility (HI CORNING). If your place ends up hiring, at least consider dropping me a line at here_reversed + ai (at) that Google email place? No spaces or underscores in the actual place. I’m happy to submit a portfolio and letters of recommendation (pretty sure I could get one out of at least one prof) to make up for some of my discrepancies.

267 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:09:21pm

re: #246 thedopefishlives

We’re one of those tiny companies that does off-the-wall things in the name of keeping our employees (all 20-ish of them) happy. The company pays 100% of our health insurance premiums, we have unfettered PTO, the boss buys all kinds of geeky tech toys and plays with them in the office, buzzing our desks with drone helicopters and peppering us with NERF machine gun fire. It’s a fun place to work, even if some of our clients are dumbasses.

YOU DIDN’T BUILD THAT!

268 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:10:09pm

re: #265 Vicious Babushka

My favorite TV show “Bones” got moved to another time when I can’t watch it, to make room for some Robocop show.

I haz a sad. :(

What is this TIVO thing?

That’s when you curse the husband out because AT&T screwed up the video metadata encoding and you missed the newest Mythbusters because it’s his product.

///

269 Zamb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:10:42pm

re: #265 Vicious Babushka

I’ve been using Hulu for T.V shows now since I can’t afford cable.

270 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:10:46pm

re: #228 freetoken

I admit that I once was a strong “Free Trade” advocate, but seeing what the likes of Walmart have done over the past 30 years I now accept the old adage that nothing in life is “Free”.

The Waltons were brilliant - they knew exactly how to ride the global free trade wagon to hire near-slaves in the poorest parts of the world. Yes, Walmart sells “Made in America” products overtly labeled as so, but the ultra-low price leaders in the store are often made overseas.

Walmart has also demonstrated that there is an excess of labor available in the US, and this means they could bid down the price for workers. This is a problem our society was warned about, when it became clear that the industrial revolution first made the old trades obsolete, but then automation (robots) made many of the new jobs obsolete also. It just doesn’t take as many humans to build an object anymore, so we have a surplus of workers.

Our society just has never figured out a way to deal with this problem. I was warned about it in philosophy class (amazingly) over 30 years ago - that we didn’t have a system of dealing with the new “leisure” society where everybody was not needed to labor.

I’ve been thinking about this lately too. Like so many other issues, I think most of us are missing the point. I don’t like Walmart either and I don’t shop there. The problem isn’t really Walmart itself, but the culture that keeps it in business. As long as poor people are eager to waste their money on cheap crap they don’t need then Walmart is going to make lots of money, there’s nothing you can do about it. Same with the economic crisis. Bankers are easy villains but the core problem is people willing to use their homes as bottomless ATM machines but buy stuff they don’t need. Here we are bitching about globalization on computers made under horrific conditions in Asia. At this moment we’re all probably using twice as much electricity as needed. We are the problem, populist solutions are just excuses to continue the behavior while blaming others.

271 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:11:25pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

I’ve been thinking about this lately too. Like so many other issues, I think most of us are missing the point. I don’t like Walmart either and I don’t shop there. The problem isn’t really Walmart itself, but the culture that keeps it in business. As long as poor people are eager to waste their money on cheap crap they don’t need then Walmart is going to make lots of money, there’s nothing you can do about it. Same with the economic crisis. Bankers are easy villains but the core problem is people willing to use their homes as bottomless ATM machines but buy stuff they don’t need. Here we are bitching about globalization on computers made under horrific conditions in Asia. At this moment we’re all probably using twice as much electricity as needed. We are the problem, populist solutions are just excuses to continue the behavior while blaming others.

Thank you, your input is noted.

272 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:11:28pm

re: #262 Gus

Also.

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I haven’t seen you in a while. Are things getting better?

273 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:12:24pm

NLRB may prosecute Wal-Mart for worker retaliation

The NLRB General Counsel, Richard Griffin, released a statement this afternoon saying his office had authorized complaints of workers’ rights violations after finding merits in several allegations filed with the NLRB. If no settlement is reached in these cases, his office will prosecute.

Among those instances in which his office found merit:
* Walmart stores in California and Texas, Walmart unlawfully threatened employees with reprisal if they engaged in strikes and protests on November 22, 2012.

* Walmart stores in California, Colorado, Florida, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, North Carolina, Ohio, Texas and Washington unlawfully threatened, disciplined, and/or terminated employees for having engaged in legally protected strikes and protests.

* Walmart stores in California, Florida, Missouri and Texas unlawfully threatened, surveilled, disciplined, and/or terminated employees in anticipation of or in response to employees’ other protected concerted activities.

274 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:12:48pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

I haven’t seen you in a while. Are things getting better?

No, not really but thanks for the inquiry. Having a slight up moment tonight.

275 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:13:12pm

re: #274 Gus

No, not really but thanks for the inquiry. Having a slight up moment tonight.

{{{Gus}}}

276 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:13:35pm

re: #258 klys

How do you contrast a Ph.D. in science + a certificate in CS versus a BS in CS?

for a software engineer job they will mostly want to know how much code you have written

if you can code at the board well you are gold

277 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:14:00pm

re: #266 klys

Yeah, although I’m not necessarily always kept in the loop as to our hiring needs. But I’ll keep my ear to the ground.

278 HoosierHoops  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:14:02pm

This is a funny story that happened to me last Thursday.. I wasn’t sure if I would ever ever post this.. I never kiss and tell…Read on
I’ve been visiting friends here before I move to the Lake and saying goodbye has been hard for my friends and I. Too many free shots and taxi rides home..A little crazy this month.. I’ve texted everyone I know here in Norman.
I get a text from a lady officer at the Lodge. She is really cute and we danced a few times and talked but she hangs out with a different connected group so I don’t know her well….Wanna talk? Sure..
Knock on the door..What? It’s her..
She works for the University and did some late thing and dressed to the tens..We talked and laughed..Spoke of all the people I’ll miss..She was pretty buzzed and we drank some beer.. I really enjoyed our talk and she goes to the bathroom and said while in the kitchen that she had always wanted to ask me something.. I said whatever as she walked in…
This is the honest to gods truth..
She stood in front of me naked with her big black leather boots on and said..I want to know if you want to have sex with or without the boots on.. I was kindof stunned for a minute..Realized what was going to happen and I stumbled some words to answer.. And then I laughed..I don’t know why. I laughed. She asked what?
I said..I ..I just don’t think there is a wrong answer to your question..
She laughed.. .Maybe I should move more often..
So..No Kiss and tell… OK..You really want to know..I took those damn boots off..

279 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:14:43pm

re: #276 dog philosopher

for a software engineer job they will mostly want to know how much code you have written

if you can code at the board well you are gold

I have something of a portfolio, mostly based on classwork but working on expanding it.

My goal is mostly to make it to interview, where it depends on me and not my background as much.

280 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:15:21pm

Speaking of wall street: In Obama’s Wall Street-friendly cabinet, a clean sweep for finance

281 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:15:31pm

re: #265 Vicious Babushka

Almost Human is actually pretty good. Watched the first episode of it last night. I liked it.

What irks me is that The Blacklist is on hold this week so they can show three hours of The Voice. WTF.

282 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:15:55pm

re: #275 thedopefishlives

{{{Gus}}}

Muchas garcias.

283 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:16:02pm

re: #274 Gus

No, not really but thanks for the inquiry. Having a slight up moment tonight.

Hang in there.

284 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:17:01pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Oh goody. Something else that concerns you.

I’m sure you’ll find a way to work pepper spray into it, just for shits and giggles.

285 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:17:10pm

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Hang in there.

I’m trying. Still no booze.

286 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:17:24pm

Interesting…

287 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:17:38pm

re: #278 HoosierHoops

This is a funny story that happened to me last Thursday.. >I wasn’t sure if I would ever ever post this.. I never kiss and tell…Read on
I’ve been visiting friends here before I move to the Lake and saying goodbye has been hard for my friends and I. Too many free shots and taxi rides home..A little crazy this month.. I’ve texted everyone I know here in Norman.
I get a text from a lady officer at the Lodge. She is really cute and we danced a few times and talked but she hangs out with a different connected group so I don’t know her well….Wanna talk? Sure..
Knock on the door..What? It’s her..
She works for the University and did some late thing and dressed to the tens..We talked and laughed..Spoke of all the people I’ll miss..She was pretty buzzed and we drank some beer.. I really enjoyed our talk and she goes to the bathroom and said while in the kitchen that she had always wanted to ask me something.. I said whatever as she walked in…
This is the honest to gods truth..
She stood in front of me naked with her big black leather boots on and said..I want to know if you want to have sex with or without the boots on.. I was kindof stunned for a minute..Realized what was going to happen and I stumbled some words to answer.. And then I laughed..I don’t know why. I laughed. She asked what?
I said..I ..I just don’t think there is a wrong answer to your question..
She laughed.. .Maybe I should move more often..
So..No Kiss and tell… OK..You really want to know..I took those damn boots off..

You are my Idol.

288 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:18:16pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

Interesting…

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They’re really trying something as lame as “show tables”? Wow.

289 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:18:20pm

re: #278 HoosierHoops

Get it while you can!

Youtube Video

290 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:18:48pm

re: #288 Eclectic Cyborg

They’re really trying something as lame as “show tables”? Wow.

If it works, the next command would be “DROP TABLE”.

291 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:19:30pm

re: #290 thedopefishlives

If it works, the next command would be “DROP TABLE”.

I can’t see that command anymore without thinking of the “Bobby tables” cartoon.

292 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:19:42pm

re: #285 Gus

I’m trying. Still no booze.

Got to be getting easy by now.

293 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:20:00pm

re: #276 dog philosopher

for a software engineer job they will mostly want to know how much code you have written

if you can code at the board well you are gold

I had a job interview in which they gave me a sheet of paper and told me to write some code for something and there was a time limit, like 20 minutes.

I walked out.

294 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:20:51pm

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

I had a job interview in which they gave me a sheet of paper and told me to write some code for something and there was a time limit, like 20 minutes.

I walked out.

WTF???? I think my brain just died reading that.

295 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:21:11pm

Also too: AGILE.

It is a productivity tool but for Christ’s Sake when you spend more time at scrums than doing actual work, you’re not doing it right.

296 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:22:43pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

I’ve been thinking about this lately too. Like so many other issues, I think most of us are missing the point. I don’t like Walmart either and I don’t shop there. The problem isn’t really Walmart itself, but the culture that keeps it in business. As long as poor people are eager to waste their money on cheap crap they don’t need then Walmart is going to make lots of money, there’s nothing you can do about it. Same with the economic crisis. Bankers are easy villains but the core problem is people willing to use their homes as bottomless ATM machines but buy stuff they don’t need. Here we are bitching about globalization on computers made under horrific conditions in Asia. At this moment we’re all probably using twice as much electricity as needed. We are the problem, populist solutions are just excuses to continue the behavior while blaming others.

Corps spend billions every year making sure the average person feels like shit because they don’t have the latest doodad. In a species where memories can be inserted into the mind with a little work, it is ridiculously easy to trigger a feeling of loss.

Companies like Walmart are manipulating people into buying what they don’t need.

297 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:22:47pm

re: #288 Eclectic Cyborg

They try everything, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I’ve seen similar patterns of attempted SQL injections at LGF.

298 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:22:55pm

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

Also too: AGILE.

It is a productivity tool but for Christ’s Sake when you spend more time at scrums than doing actual work, you’re not doing it right.

It’s great for what it’s good for. It’s absolutely terrible as a management buzzword that they try to shoehorn every project into.

299 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:23:41pm

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

I had a job interview in which they gave me a sheet of paper and told me to write some code for something and there was a time limit, like 20 minutes.

I walked out.

Old story about Robert Merrill, trying to cash a check w/o good ID.

Clerk: “Sing a few notes so I know you’re Robert Merrill”.
RM: “If I sing a few notes for $100, you’ll know I’m not Robert Merill.”

300 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:23:42pm

re: #297 Charles Johnson

They try everything, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I’ve seen similar patterns of attempted SQL injections at LGF.

Parameterized queries are a wonderful invention.

301 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:23:44pm

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

I had a job interview in which they gave me a sheet of paper and told me to write some code for something and there was a time limit, like 20 minutes.

I walked out.

My husband does include some form of coding questions in his portion of the interview, but it is generally focused to things you claim to know on your resume and use of general library or library functions is allowed.

I don’t know what his exact questions are because he is saving them as test cases for when I am prepping for actual interviews.

302 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:24:01pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

Got to be getting easy by now.

Still have that last planned pint of whiskey from two months ago. I keep thinking about breaking but get tired instead. Technically I guess I went cold turkey.

303 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:25:13pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

I’ve been thinking about this lately too. Like so many other issues, I think most of us are missing the point. I don’t like Walmart either and I don’t shop there. The problem isn’t really Walmart itself, but the culture that keeps it in business. As long as poor people are eager to waste their money on cheap crap they don’t need then Walmart is going to make lots of money, there’s nothing you can do about it.

Your emphasis is kind of bullshit, it’s not the fault of poor people making bad purchasing decisions that keeps them in business and it’s kind of fucked up to put the blame on those with the fewest options and the most budgetary constraints. Walmart sells shit that people actually do need, clothing, food, detergent, pharmaceuticals, etc. In many areas they’re not only the best prices around, they’re the only game in town. The part of the culture that needs changing is the one that keeps service workers poor, a minimum wage that hasn’t nearly kept pace with worker productivity let alone inflation. Walmart can adapt and could probably compete just as well in an environment that forced it to pay its workers a living wage, or in an environment that restricted imports to those from countries with first world environmental and worker safety standards.

304 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:26:10pm

re: #296 b_sharp

Corps spend billions every year making sure the average person feels like shit because they don’t have the latest doodad. In a species where memories can be inserted into the mind with a little work, it is ridiculously easy to trigger a feeling of loss.

Companies like Walmart are manipulating people into buying what they don’t need.

He’s just trolling. Claiming that the bankers weren’t responsible for the financial meltdown? The people who purposefully packaged mortgages as non-risky investments, intentionally lying about the amount of risk they contained, and setting up a tranche system to buffer themselves further? Killgore’s not stupid, he knows that the fiscal meltdown didn’t happen because a lot of people couldn’t pay their mortgages, it happened because those mortgages had been turned into securities by the banks. A mortgage meltdown would have sucked, but the complete disaster was 100% because of how the banks packaged those mortgages, sold them, and disguised the risk on them.

This isn’t even getting into how his ‘blame the saps’ argument could be used to blame the clients of loansharks or patent medicine quacks, too. It’s basic glibertarian whargble, blaming people for not having perfect information.


It’s just more Killgore performance art, like claiming to abhor violence while squirming with glee while watching women get pepper-sprayed.

305 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:26:12pm

re: #300 thedopefishlives

Parameterized queries are a wonderful invention.

Database abstraction layers, even better.

306 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:26:24pm

I have been asked SQL questions that are “gotcha” and not straightforward. I answered them, but also said “you know that’s not a fair question.”

In one case I was offered the job and in the other case not.

307 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:26:52pm

re: #296 b_sharp

Corps spend billions every year making sure the average person feels like shit because they don’t have the latest doodad. In a species where memories can be inserted into the mind with a little work, it is ridiculously easy to trigger a feeling of loss.

Companies like Walmart are manipulating people into buying what they don’t need.

They are certainly exploiting aspects of human nature and American culture but as long as we remain exploitable there will always be someone there to do it.

308 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:27:59pm

re: #296 b_sharp

Corps spend billions every year making sure the average person feels like shit because they don’t have the latest doodad. In a species where memories can be inserted into the mind with a little work, it is ridiculously easy to trigger a feeling of loss.

Companies like Walmart are manipulating people into buying what they don’t need.

I think that’s true of most companies, stores, etc. I used to go food shopping at the Morgan Hill Walmart. Never bought what I didn’t need. My sister still shops there. It’s the cheapest place to get food. She just emailed me about some kippered snacks she just bought there. I bought a bunch of winter clothing early this season at Walmart. My sister is about the only one willing to help me out. My brother doesn’t shop at Walmart and listens to Democracy Now. I haven’t heard from him in months.

309 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:28:26pm

re: #304 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s just more Killgore performance art, like claiming to abhor violence while squirming with glee while watching women get pepper-sprayed.

LGF would be much more pleasant if he’d just acknowledge his fetishes and move on.

half /

310 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:29:47pm

re: #305 Charles Johnson

Database abstraction layers, even better.

I’m still new to the world of things like Entity Framework. I haven’t done a whole lot of Web programming to date, but that will be changing relatively soon.

311 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:30:08pm

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

HURR HURR

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Somebody ask John Liberty if there are 150,000,000 jobs out there that pay >$50,000/year and have great benefits. If not he should shut his piehole.

This is the same noise I heard ALL THE FUCKING TIME from wingnuts - that the working poor should get better jobs, as if there are better jobs out there for all of them, and as if we’re not experiencing a time of high unemployment and declining wages.

As Klys said, they think the job market is just like it was when they started out - white, male, and middle class at the best time in the history of time itself to be white, male, and middle class. The thought that anyone else’s life experiences is any different from theirs is simply unthinkable to them.

312 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:30:41pm

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

I had a job interview in which they gave me a sheet of paper and told me to write some code for something and there was a time limit, like 20 minutes.

I walked out.

fashions in software engineer interviews change

in the past few years most interviews seem to involve at a certain point being asked to stand up at a white board and code a routine on the spot

they give you a description of the problem and you have to show that you are going through all reasonable solution stages just like at work:

1. ask questions until you are clear exactly what is required
2. do high level planning until you are ready to do pseudo-code
3. pseudo-code
4. real code
5. discuss the ins and outs of the big-O runtime of your solution and how you might improve it
6. discuss error handling
7. talk about how to unit test and system test it

generally if the problem seems too simple it’s because what they really want is a recursive solution - although in practice pgmrs hardly ever write recursive routines

i am hoping this fashion runs its course and we get back to normal interviews

313 A Mom Anon  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:31:02pm

re: #303 goddamnedfrank

I would upding that a million times if I could. I am so fucking sick of the poor being blamed for shit they didn’t do. If the poor had that much power, they’d be running everything. And wouldn’t be poor. It’s not that damned difficult to figure out.

314 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:31:13pm

re: #308 Gus

I think that’s true of most companies, stores, etc. I used to go food shopping at the Morgan Hill Walmart. Never bought what I didn’t need. My sister still shops there. It’s the cheapest place to get food. She just emailed me about some kippered snacks she just bought there. I bought a bunch of winter clothing early this season at Walmart. My sister is about the only one willing to help me out. My brother doesn’t shop at Walmart and listens to Democracy Now. I haven’t heard from him in months.

Damn, I wish I could get you up here, the economy’s booming and new construction has never been higher.

315 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:32:07pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout

They are certainly exploiting aspects of human nature and American culture but as long as we remain exploitable there will always be someone there to do it.

We also take steps like banning false advertising, because it exploits a vulnerability. We ban lots of shit because it exploits people’s ignorance. We used to have banking regulations that would have prevented the fiscal meltdown— I mean the real one, not the cartoon ‘greedy middle-class Americans’ version that you created to flaccidly slap around.

In fact, the exploitability of humanity is pretty much the basis for government. The solution isn’t “achieve druid nirvana, become unexploitable”. It’s ‘create good, strong regulations that prevent people from exploiting people’. It’s a big, daunting challenge, but it’s one that we actually make progress on from time to time.

316 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:32:50pm

re: #312 dog philosopher

fashions in software engineer interviews change

in the past few years most interviews seem to involve at a certain point being asked to stand up at a white board and code a routine on the spot

they give you a description of the problem and you have to show that you are going through all reasonable solution stages just like at work:

1. ask questions until you are clear exactly what is required
2. do high level planning until you are ready to do pseudo-code
3. pseudo-code
4. real code
5. discuss the ins and outs of the big-O runtime of your solution and how you might improve it
6. discuss error handling
7. talk about how to unit test and system test it

generally if the problem seems too simple it’s because what they really want is a recursive solution - although in practice pgmrs hardly ever write recursive routines

i am hoping this fashion runs its course and we get back to normal interviews

I would not want to work for anyone who thinks it is possible to solve a complex problem in 20 minutes. For some reason assholes like this end up in management (because they are good at bullshit?)

317 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:34:10pm

re: #314 b_sharp

Damn, I wish I could get you up here, the economy’s booming and new construction has never been higher.

Lots of concrete trucks? I miss those from the good old days. Was thinking about looking at where construction is booming around the country. Denver’s kind of meh since 2001. Got worse in 2008. I also miss the days when we didn’t need a passport to go into Canada.

318 thedopefishlives  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:36:05pm

Night lizards. May your troll buttocks always be gamey (and well seasoned).

319 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:36:06pm

Uh oh! Bwahahaha!

320 dog philosopher  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:36:57pm

re: #316 Vicious Babushka

I would not want to work for anyone who thinks it is possible to solve a complex problem in 20 minutes. For some reason assholes like this end up in management (because they are good at bullshit?)

yah generally i’d have to guess that if they treat you in a fucked up way at the interview they’ll treat you in a fucked up way if you end up working for them

321 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:37:04pm

Django Unchained - Official Sony Pictures International Movie Site
(c) 2013 Sony Pictures Digital Inc. All rights reserved.

322 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:37:25pm

re: #319 Gus

Sony has been on my shit list ever since I had to involve the BBB to get them to either honor an advertised service or refund my money on a laptop.

323 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:37:29pm

re: #317 Gus

Lots of concrete trucks? I miss those from the good old days. Was thinking about looking at where construction is booming around the country. Denver’s kind of meh since 2001. Got worse in 2008. I also miss the days when we didn’t need a passport to go into Canada.

Concrete trucks all over the place. They’ve started putting housing up in areas that used to be parks and parking lots which I find stupid since we have a shit load of land available.

I hate the fact I have to have a passport to go where I used to just drive.

324 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:40:16pm

re: #319 Gus

Uh oh! Bwahahaha!

[Sony Corp.’s entertainment division hired Bain & Co. to help find more than $100 million in cost reductions at the film and television business, according to a person with knowledge of the situation.]

Protip: Make one fewer shit action movies.

(Send the consultant fee to the Thalia Theater foundation.)

325 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:40:22pm

re: #322 klys

Sony has been on my shit list ever since I had to involve the BBB to get them to either honor an advertised service or refund my money on a laptop.

Ebay’s current CEO is a former Bain executive. Pierre Omidyar is still collecting dividends on his Ebay stock. I just laugh at it all.

326 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:41:16pm

re: #325 Gus

Ebay’s current CEO is a former Bain executive. Pierre Omidyar is still collecting dividends on his Ebay stock. I just laugh at it all.

Clearly, corporations need fewer regulations! Otherwise they can’t attract good CEOs.

HAHAHAHAHA.

//

327 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:41:26pm

re: #308 Gus

I think that’s true of most companies, stores, etc. I used to go food shopping at the Morgan Hill Walmart. Never bought what I didn’t need. My sister still shops there. It’s the cheapest place to get food. She just emailed me about some kippered snacks she just bought there. I bought a bunch of winter clothing early this season at Walmart. My sister is about the only one willing to help me out. My brother doesn’t shop at Walmart and listens to Democracy Now. I haven’t heard from him in months.

Heretic!
/

328 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:42:58pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Aha! Good luck! Do you folks use septic and propane,too?

329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:44:36pm

re: #328 prairiefire

Aha! Good luck! Do you folks use septic and propane,too?

septic, yes.
propane, no…too expensive.

330 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:45:44pm

re: #327 Killgore Trout

Heretic!
/

I’m just another hobo. :D My sister worked at the same Walmart for a while. Part time like most everyone there save the managers. She hated working for them but still shops there.

331 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:47:04pm

This Tweet is just fucked up. (Not embedding it here, click at your own risk)

hint: Godwinning Wendy Davis

332 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:47:37pm

re: #330 Gus

I’m just another hobo. :D My sister worked at the same Walmart for a while. Part time like most everyone there save the managers. She hated working for them but still shops there.

Probably because they are able to be the cheapest in town, driving the other local places that might provide a better work environment out of business.

333 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:48:10pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

septic, yes.
propane, no…too expensive.

Do you compost, no garbage disposal? My dad’s has a sceptic tank, but he doesn’t compost. His trash can get a little gross!

334 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:48:57pm

re: #333 prairiefire

Do you compost, no garbage disposal? My dad’s has a sceptic tank, but he doesn’t compost. His trash can get a little gross!

My grandpa had three different compost piles. He was into advanced composting.

335 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:49:26pm

re: #333 prairiefire

Do you compost, no garbage disposal? My dad’s has a sceptic tank, but he doesn’t compost. His trash can get a little gross!

I can’t speak for her, but my grandparents both a) compost and b) burn most of their trash.

This is, of course, EXTREMELY INTERESTING to an 8 year old from suburbia, NJ.

Also, worms from the compost pile for fishing.

336 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:49:57pm

re: #330 Gus

I’m just another hobo. :D My sister worked at the same Walmart for a while. Part time like most everyone there save the managers. She hated working for them but still shops there.

Heh. I only recently started buying new clothes at regular stores, I’ve always been a thrift shop buyer. I looked for a new comfy bath robe last week but new ones are really expensive. Back to the thrift store for me!

337 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:50:13pm

re: #332 klys

Probably because they are able to be the cheapest in town, driving the other local places that might provide a better work environment out of business.

I have not stepped in a Walmart in over two years. They are NOT the cheapest show in town, Target and Meijer have competitive prices, and are not filthy and dimly lit and fruitflied like Walmart.

I used to enjoy shopping at Whole Foods but I don’t go there anymore either.

338 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:50:23pm

Finished listening in on the sooper-secret OFA call w/ Pres Obama. He says John Liberty is a douche.

339 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:52:15pm

HOORAY FOR MFRF!

340 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:52:48pm

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

I have not stepped in a Walmart in over two years. They are NOT the cheapest show in town, Target and Meijer have competitive prices, and are not filthy and dimly lit and fruitflied like Walmart.

I used to enjoy shopping at Whole Foods but I don’t go there anymore either.

This does assume, of course, that there is either a Targer or a Meijer (assuming that is a local chain | local != West Coast) nearby.

I shop Whole Foods right now with a serious conscience twinge because of their CEO, but it is not cheap. However, the quality is better than Safeway. Still evaluating what Trader Joe’s has available regularly.

341 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:52:58pm

Bryan, being A Bag Of Syphilitic Dicks

342 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:54:00pm

re: #332 klys

Probably because they are able to be the cheapest in town, driving the other local places that might provide a better work environment out of business.

Yep. When I drove back and forth to California last time I noticed that some Walmarts are basically the town hubs now. As you know they have opticians, hair salons, banking, etc. But this has been part of the the American way of life for a long time. I remember many big box stores from when I was kid that are gone now. Sears was one and we used to go to the Sears Surplus store for school clothing. Sears also edged out the small “ma and pa” stores at one point.

343 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:55:24pm

re: #342 Gus

Yep. When I drove back and forth to California last time I noticed that some Walmarts are basically the town hubs now. As you know they have opticians, hair salons, banking, etc. But this has been part of the the American way of life for a long time. I remember many big box stores from when I was kid that are gone now. Sears was one and we used to go to the Sears Surplus store for school clothing. Sears also edged out the small “ma and pa” stores at one point.

I don’t disagree with what you say here in terms of history, but it ends up being a race to the bottom. I think, as Americans, we’re better than that, if only through our willingness to put into place things like minimum wage.

344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:56:10pm

re: #333 prairiefire

Do you compost, no garbage disposal? My dad’s has a sceptic tank, but he doesn’t compost. His trash can get a little gross!

yes, compost most definitely. Also recycle enough that we only have to go to the landfill with one or two small bags of “the other stuff” each month.

345 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:59:15pm

re: #343 klys

I don’t disagree with what you say here in terms of history, but it ends up being a race to the bottom. I think, as Americans, we’re better than that, if only through our willingness to put into place things like minimum wage.

It’s a symptom of a larger problem. Even the proposed $10/hr. minimum wage is not a living wage in many cities.

346 GeneJockey  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 5:59:18pm

re: #343 klys

I don’t disagree with what you say here in terms of history, but it ends up being a race to the bottom. I think, as Americans, we’re better than that, if only through our willingness to put into place things like minimum wage.

You know, we USED TO BE better than that. Look at unions, big business, and ‘titans of industry’ in the popular culture of the 1930s through 1980.

Somewhere along the line, a substantial fraction of Americans decided the reason they weren’t getting ahead wasn’t that the guy at the top wasn’t paying them enough. It was that their neighbor was getting paid too much.

347 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:01:16pm

re: #336 Killgore Trout

You might want to re-think the bath robes at the thrift store, just saying.

348 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:01:47pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, compost most definitely. Also recycle enough that we only have to go to the landfill with one or two small bags of “the other stuff” each month.

Good for you!

349 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:02:46pm

re: #345 Gus

It’s a symptom of a larger problem. Even the proposed $10/hr. minimum wage is not a living wage in many cities.

I don’t disagree, but could you put the larger problem into words for me? Is it a need to set a higher minimum wage, tied to a living wage? A need for single payer health care, so that gets pulled out of the monthly equation? I just want to be sure that we’re talking equivalent terms.

In a lot of ways, for me, saying it’s a symptom of a larger problem just lets people off the hook from dealing with it in a lot of ways, because they can say it’s not their responsibility. Costco somehow manages to pay a living wage to most of their employees and turn a profit.

350 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:03:46pm

re: #349 klys

I don’t disagree, but could you put the larger problem into words for me? Is it a need to set a higher minimum wage, tied to a living wage? A need for single payer health care, so that gets pulled out of the monthly equation? I just want to be sure that we’re talking equivalent terms.

In a lot of ways, for me, saying it’s a symptom of a larger problem just lets people off the hook from dealing with it in a lot of ways, because they can say it’s not their responsibility. Costco somehow manages to pay a living wage to most of their employees and turn a profit.

Walmart could start by doing the right thing and lowering profit expectations.

351 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:05:00pm

re: #265 Vicious Babushka

My favorite TV show “Bones” got moved to another time when I can’t watch it, to make room for some Robocop show.

I haz a sad. :(

What is this TIVO thing?

The “robo cop” show is supposed to be good.

352 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:06:25pm

re: #350 Gus

Walmart could start by doing the right thing and lowering profit expectations.

I will not disagree.

I don’t expect the free market to do such a thing on its own, however.

353 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:08:16pm

re: #350 Gus

Walmart could start by doing the right thing and lowering profit expectations.

If they gave all their workers a raise their profits would GO UP because the money would be spent at their stores.

DUH!

354 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:08:28pm

re: #350 Gus

Walmart could start by doing the right thing and lowering profit expectation.

Not going to happen. High profits mean the stock prices go up meaning the companies have more available funds for expansion, including buying out smaller companies.

355 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:08:44pm

re: #347 prairiefire

You might want to re-think the bath robes at the thrift store, just saying.

Seriously. I shop at thrift stores sometimes, but certain categories of clothes are out, such as pajamas, robes, and intimates. It’s one thing to buy a pair of jeans or a skirt or top while I’m wokring to lose weight, but I’m not going to wear someone else’s old undies or PJ’s or robes.

356 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:09:43pm

re: #355 Lidane

Seriously. I shop at thrift stores sometimes, but certain categories of clothes are out, such as pajamas, robes, and intimates. It’s one thing to buy a pair of jeans or a skirt or top while I’m wokring to lose weight, but I’m not going to wear someone else’s old undies or PJ’s or robes.

How much of an “extreme cheapskate” do you have to be to wear something that was all up in somebody else’s buttcrack?

357 b_sharp  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:13:10pm

re: #356 Vicious Babushka

How much of an “extreme cheapskate” do you have to be to wear something that was all up in somebody else’s buttcrack?

That’s why I only wear women’s used undies.

358 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:13:24pm

re: #356 Vicious Babushka

How much of an “extreme cheapskate” do you have to be to wear something that was all up in somebody else’s buttcrack?

Expectations. Our school issued us fresh uniforms and playclothes every week. We didn’t ‘own’ anything but our shoes. Everything else was laundered and reissued by size.

359 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:13:41pm

re: #356 Vicious Babushka

How much of an “extreme cheapskate” do you have to be to wear something that was all up in somebody else’s buttcrack?

More of a cheapskate than I’ll ever be. Heh.

360 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:13:43pm

re: #354 b_sharp

Not going to happen. High profits mean the stock prices go up meaning the companies have more available funds for expansion, including buying out smaller companies.

Which works. The opposite is the well paid employee buys washing machines and dryers. Otherwise this Arkansas company will continue to have their employees subsidized by the feds for what they lack.

361 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:14:15pm

re: #356 Vicious Babushka

How much of an “extreme cheapskate” do you have to be to wear something that was all up in somebody else’s buttcrack?

Ever use a towel in a hotel? These things can be washed and reused. Yeesh, everything is extra outrageous here today.

362 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:16:34pm

re: #361 Killgore Trout

Ever use a towel in a hotel? These things can be washed and reused. Yeesh, everything is extra outrageous here today.

Hotel linens are put through industrial washing machines which is not the case with donated clothing at a resale shop.

363 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:17:08pm

re: #361 Killgore Trout

Ever use a towel in a hotel? These things can be washed and reused. Yeesh, everything is extra outrageous here today.

Says the man who thinks poor people are buying shit they don’t need, ok.

364 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:18:43pm

re: #362 Vicious Babushka

Hotel linens are put through industrial washing machines which is not the case with donated clothing at a resale shop.

Not at Motel6.

365 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:19:44pm

re: #364 Gus

Not at Motel6.

I’m sure that those white sheets aren’t washed with bleach.

//

366 Political Atheist  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:19:50pm

re: #354 b_sharp

Not going to happen. High profits mean the stock prices go up meaning the companies have more available funds for expansion, including buying out smaller companies.

When CEO’s get paid in stock instead of money, they get all stock value over product/service value crazy. The move to tax high income higher than capitol gains may have backfired in this way.

367 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:20:06pm

…and that’s the mentality that keeps the sweat shops and prison camps In Asia working overtime. A used bath robe is permanently unsanitary! Into the landfill with it! Buy a sparkly new Chinese made one from an exploitive mega corporation!

368 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:20:15pm

Remember those roll cloth towel dispensers in restrooms? Those always creeped me out.

369 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:21:11pm

These…

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370 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:21:28pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

…and that’s the mentality that keeps the sweat shops and prison camps In Asia working overtime. A used bath robe is permanently unsanitary! Into the landfill with it! Buy a sparkly new Chinese made one from an exploitive mega corporation!

FUCK BATHROBES! THE POOR SHOULD ALL GO NAKED!

371 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:22:13pm

re: #362 Vicious Babushka

Hotel linens are put through industrial washing machines which is not the case with donated clothing at a resale shop.

I have the technology to wash clothes in my house. Indoor plumbing and everything.

372 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:23:00pm

I’m getting Ludwig flashbacks.

373 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:24:04pm
374 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:26:31pm

re: #372 Vicious Babushka

I’m getting Ludwig flashbacks.

Let’s make sure it’s not an albusteve flashback, when a useful Lizard was cornered and lost it.

375 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:29:56pm

re: #374 Decatur Deb

Let’s make sure it’s not an albusteve flashback, when a useful Lizard was cornered and lost it.

Ludwig was useful, but then he totally lost his shit.

376 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:30:05pm

The amount to which I am sitting on my snark meter tonight feels like it deserves a fucking medal.

Also this is why I don’t do politics on Facebook.

377 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:30:19pm

I’m not having any flashbacks but I am getting a slight headache. Maybe it’s that upside down pic.

378 Mattand  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:33:12pm

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact I just read someone complain that the American used underwear market is being held back by snobby poor people.

379 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:35:30pm

re: #378 Mattand

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact I just read someone complain that the American used underwear market is being held back by snobby poor people.

Yes, how dare poor people and thrift shoppers want to buy brand new underwear instead of just wearing someone else’s.

WTF.

380 jaunte  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:35:46pm

re: #377 Gus

I thought they were doing a southern hemisphere joke.

381 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:36:39pm

re: #372 Vicious Babushka

I’m getting Ludwig flashbacks.

Ever since OWS, it’s simply been a matter of time. When. Not if.

382 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:37:15pm

re: #380 jaunte

I thought they were doing a southern hemisphere joke.

Yep.

383 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:38:38pm

WTFF. Ben Shapiro is still fixated on that thing Martin Bashir said.

STOP IT RIGHT NOW.

384 jaunte  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:39:31pm

re: #383 Vicious Babushka

Slow news day.

385 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:40:23pm

re: #355 Lidane

I do buy a “Nick & Nora” button up top, if it looks good. That brand is comfy cotton heaven. The rest, no I’ve seen too much…

386 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:41:13pm

Change nothing else about the Rob Ford saga except make him a black mayor of a large American city, and there would have been calls to send in the National Guard by now.

387 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:42:01pm

Just. Let. It. Go.
Jesus.

388 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:42:28pm

re: #378 Mattand

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the fact I just read someone complain that the American used underwear market is being held back by snobby poor people.

Sorry, I’m poor. My income is below the poverty level and I do my best to live within my means. I know it seems really offensive that I can’t afford a new bath robe. I’ll buy a used one, wash it and be warm and comfy this winter. Outrage!

389 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:43:15pm

re: #381 William Barnett-Lewis

Ever since OWS, it’s simply been a matter of time. When. Not if.

Nah, Killgore will cruise on the current course, passive-aggressive, incredibly lazy in argument, openly contradicting himself without giving a shit, basically forever. It’s performance art, it kind of provides the same service that other libertarians do, by poking up their pre-refuted arguments to be smacked down. It’s pretty basic stuff, like above where he pretended the fiscal meltdown was just the mortgage’s failing and not the banks securitizing of those mortgages, but it’s good to remind people of the dumb arguments and their easy refutations. It’s kind of like what’s-his-name, that climate change soft-denier dude who lathered up about ‘climategate’ and stuff.

I, however, happily endorse buying bathrobes from the thrift store, and I even went as Mackelmore for Halloween. I started off growing a beard to look like Tony Stark, but somehow growing a beard makes me look like Macklemore even though Macklemore doesn’t have a beard. Figure that one out.

390 jaunte  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:43:56pm

re: #387 Vicious Babushka

Shapiro complaining about Bashir is much easier than Shapiro trying to explain why what Palin said makes sense.

391 Mattand  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:44:42pm

re: #386 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Change nothing else about the Rob Ford saga except make him a black mayor of a large American city, and there would have been calls to send in the National Guard by now.

Oh, stop exaggerating. I mean, after all, look at how calmly and rationally many Americans accepted their first black President…

392 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:44:54pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

All I’m saying is, give it a really good once over before purchase.

393 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:45:27pm
394 jaunte  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:45:49pm

Bathrobes are a sort of damp way-station between being wet and being dressed. A towel might work as well.

395 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:45:54pm

New bathrobe for $25.

396 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:46:02pm

This one caused some butthurt.

397 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:46:21pm

GutchieGate.

398 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:46:46pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I’m poor. My income is below the poverty level and I do my best to live within my means. I know it seems really offensive that I can’t afford a new bath robe. I’ll buy a used one, wash it and be warm and comfy this winter. Outrage!

The wingnut response to you is GET A REAL JOB.

And yet you leaned Republican until Sarah Palin. Nothing has changed in their platform. Is one politician really enough to make you that fickle?

399 Mattand  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:47:08pm

re: #388 Killgore Trout

Sorry, I’m poor. My income is below the poverty level and I do my best to live within my means. I know it seems really offensive that I can’t afford a new bath robe. I’ll buy a used one, wash it and be warm and comfy this winter. Outrage!

Seriously, chief, after the year I had, do not throw the fucking poverty card in my face.

Don’t.

400 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:48:14pm

re: #395 Vicious Babushka

New bathrobe for $25.

Cotton is better, no static.

401 jaunte  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:48:26pm
402 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:49:45pm

re: #399 Mattand

Seriously, chief, after the year I had, >do not throw the fucking poverty card in my face.

Don’t.

Times are tough. I had a good year, haven’t done taxes yet but I should come out above the poverty level this time.

403 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:50:08pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

…and that’s the mentality that keeps the sweat shops and prison camps In Asia working overtime. A used bath robe is permanently unsanitary! Into the landfill with it! Buy a sparkly new Chinese made one from an exploitive mega corporation!

There’s actually no real connection between disposability and sustainability. A lot of sustainable things are the most disposable, and a lot of the longest-lasting things are worst for the environment. i actually had to explain this at length to a hippy-dippy coworker who was trying to get us all to use mugs at work, when we used disposable paper cups. She couldn’t real grasp that the energy expenditure from washing the mugs, not to mention the resources in the soap, were significant, nor could she get that the mugs weren’t ‘permanent’, they just lasted longer than the paper cups. This works along the labor side of the issue, too.

So sure, using old clothing until it literally wears out is good, but it’s not at all what drives the consumer economy. It’s really not that we waste shitloads of usable stuff, it’s the conditions that it’s produced under that’s the problem. We could certainly help things out by being less wasteful— including by not washing it in the way you propose, which is really wasteful— but that’s not the important part of the problem, the conditions of production are. There is nothing inherent about ‘people want shiny new stuff’ that leads to ‘prison camp labor’, that only happens in the absence of effective governmental regulations.

Weird how that keeps cropping up, eh?

404 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:50:24pm

re: #374 Decatur Deb

Let’s make sure it’s not an albusteve flashback, when a useful Lizard was cornered and lost it.

I don’t think he was being cornered at the time he lost it.

405 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:51:54pm

re: #403 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Paper’s cost is high over the long run. I would go with mugs.

406 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:52:42pm

re: #396 Gus

You know, having a Ph.D., there are lines I can’t bring myself to cross.

That might, in fact, be one of them.

Not saying you can’t, just offering some perspective.

407 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:53:14pm

re: #405 prairiefire

Paper’s cost is high over the long run. I would go with mugs.

These were unbleached bamboo using a low-energy process. Not locally sourced, but ceramics are so energy-intensive, and the amount of water used to clean them is so high, that it’s hard to get to a point where using a bamboo paper product isn’t better. People tend not to like them because they associate them with poor people though.

408 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:54:11pm

re: #367 Killgore Trout

…and that’s the mentality that keeps the sweat shops and prison camps In Asia working overtime. A used bath robe is permanently unsanitary! Into the landfill with it! Buy a sparkly new Chinese made one from an exploitive mega corporation!

Hyperbole much?

409 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:54:13pm

re: #311 GeneJockey

Somebody ask John Liberty if there are 150,000,000 jobs out there that pay >$50,000/year and have great benefits. If not he should shut his piehole.

Shhh! They’re reserved for the Muslins that Barack HUSSEIN Obama is seekritly plotting to bring into the United States of Jesus.

Or something.

410 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:54:18pm

re: #396 Gus

This one caused some butthurt.

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Did some lit PhD say something dumb? I don’t get it.

411 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:54:26pm

re: #405 prairiefire

Here in SoCal, water costs are very prohibitive. Something like one third of the electric power in California is expended moving water (of some sort) from here to there.

412 ObserverArt  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:55:17pm

If Martin Bashir would only have remembered Palin was already full of shit. There was no need for him to suggest more be added, she fills up often enough. It seems to bubble up from within.

With regard to the Toronto mayor, it appears they are cutting out all of his powers. I get the feeling nothing will dissuade Mr. Ford from hanging around at least until he finds he doesn’t get reelected. It is sort of fun to think of him staying on no matter what and act as just a character/public joke with no actual oomph. I wonder what such a guy as Big Rob will do with all his free time? Could be fun.

413 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:55:23pm

Turns out energy and sustainability calculations are actually pretty hard, and not the sort of thing the average citizen is going to be able to do. Gee, what do we do in circumstances like that?

414 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:55:39pm

re: #410 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Did some lit PhD say something dumb? I don’t get it.

See Marcy Wheeler trolling John Schindler.

415 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:56:18pm

re: #407 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Without a dishwasher, aren’t you just splashing a bit of soap and water in it, at work, shaking it over the sink and then wiping it on your pants? Every dish towel or sponge is usually filthy in an office kitchen.

416 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 6:59:06pm

re: #415 prairiefire

Without a dishwasher, aren’t you just splashing a bit of soap and water in it, at work, shaking it over the sink and then wiping it on your pants? Every dish towel or sponge is usually filthy in an office kitchen.

You actually use more soap and water by hand than when you use most modern dishwashers. And yeah, the amount of water seems small, but when you consider it as a daily use, you’re using a ton over the course of a year. I’m not even saying the bamboo cups were definitely, definitively the right call, but more that there’s not any simple calculations to go with and that gut instincts with sustainability are often wrong. Like all those stainless steel mugs that were popular for awhile and were somehow marketed as sustainable, as if producing steel is somehow a low-energy process.

417 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:03:46pm

re: #416 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

You actually use more soap and water by hand than when you use most modern dishwashers. And yeah, the amount of water seems small, but when you consider it as a daily use, you’re using a ton over the course of a year. I’m not even saying the bamboo cups were definitely, definitively the right call, but more that there’s not any simple calculations to go with and that gut instincts with sustainability are often wrong. Like all those stainless steel mugs that were popular for awhile and were somehow marketed as sustainable, as if producing steel is somehow a low-energy process.

Watch the How It’s Made episode on the production of copper.

It’s pretty for the molten stuff they dump down the hill, but aside from that…

418 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:03:53pm

I’m using a Starbucks mug my room mate found next to the dumpster along with a bunch of other mugs. The coffee somewhat sustains me in the morning while I read about the latest sustainability fads with rich people in Architectural Record magazine.

419 sagehen  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:04:05pm

re: #265 Vicious Babushka

My favorite TV show “Bones” got moved to another time when I can’t watch it, to make room for some Robocop show.

I haz a sad. :(

What is this TIVO thing?

for those with no TIVO:

hulu.com

420 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:06:26pm

re: #416 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Ok, Obdi, I just measured the water I would realistically use. You can do the math, I’m math challenged. 2 cups or almost 1/2 a liter. Add another 6 ounces because I have the habit of rinsing out my mug at work to get the dust out. So 22 ounces a day, for 47 weeks?

421 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:06:28pm

re: #418 Gus

I’m using a Starbucks mug my room mate found next to the dumpster along with a bunch of other mugs. The coffee somewhat sustains me in the morning while I read about the latest sustainability fads with rich people in Architectural Record magazine.

In other news from the ‘obvious if you think about it’ front, ‘organic’ also has fuck-all to do with sustainability, and is often less-sustainable than things that aren’t labeled as organic.

422 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:06:32pm

re: #419 sagehen

for those with no TIVO:

hulu.com

I just got the newest Kathy Reichs book from the library.

Totally different character from what is on the TV show. She even has a Canadian boyfriend.

423 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:07:10pm

Contrary to the fantasies of the modern consumerist society, we really don’t get to negotiate with the universe:

graphs.water-data.com
arachnoid.com

424 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:08:41pm

re: #418 Gus

I’m using a Starbucks mug my room mate found next to the dumpster along with a bunch of other mugs. The coffee somewhat sustains me in the morning while I read about the latest sustainability fads with rich people in Architectural Record magazine.

I found some really great previously owned wine glasses. heavy duty glass and they’ve lasted for decades. All the other wine glasses I’ve had break within a year.

425 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:09:03pm

re: #421 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

In other news from the ‘obvious if you think about it’ front, ‘organic’ also has fuck-all to do with sustainability, and is often less-sustainable than things that aren’t labeled as organic.

Hardware wise I sustainability as buying something like a door knob that will last a lifetime and not need replacement or much upkeep. That of course raises up front costs. It’s really a new name for an old concept.

426 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:09:15pm

re: #420 prairiefire

Ok, Obdi, I just measured the water I would realistically use. You can do the math, I’m math challenged. 2 cups or almost 1/2 a liter. Add another 6 ounces because I have the habit of rinsing out my mug at work to get the dust out. So 22 ounces a day, for 47 weeks?

I am not Obdi, but that’s half a ton of water (452.375 lbs) a year.

Now, we also need to consider: the energy need to pump that water, the energy need to warm that water (water is expensive to warm), the energy needed to produce the soap each day…

It’s not simple, in part because we all neglect the second paragraph most of the time (and I am included here).

427 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:09:38pm

re: #424 Killgore Trout

I found some really great previously owned wine glasses. heavy duty glass and they’ve lasted for decades. All the other wine glasses I’ve had break within a year.

Booze and wine glasses are a bad mix. :D

428 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:10:37pm
429 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:11:15pm

re: #420 prairiefire

Ok, Obdi, I just measured the water I would realistically use. You can do the math, I’m math challenged. 2 cups or almost 1/2 a liter. Add another 6 ounces because I have the habit of rinsing out my mug at work to get the dust out. So 22 ounces a day, for 47 weeks?

Back of the envelope, assuming a 5 day workweek, about 40 gallons a year. Which is basically one shower. I’m not claiming it’s some huge water use, but just that, compared to disposable-but-sustainable solutions, it doesn’t necessarily come out ahead. Just ‘cuz you throw stuff away doesn’t make it bad. And the ceramic will, eventually, chip and stain and be thrown out, too, so it’s part of the overall equation, just amortized.

430 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:11:29pm

re: #426 klys

I am not Obdi, but that’s half a ton of water (452.375 lbs) a year.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but wouldn’t that be a quarter ton?

431 freetoken  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:12:09pm

This happened:

Foul mouth: High school basketball coach resigns after accusations of biting a player

A girls’ high school basketball coach in Mississippi has resigned after being accused of biting a player in the face.

Leake County Sheriff Greg Waggoner says Leake Academy coach Doyle Wolverton is accused of biting the unnamed player during a timeout in a Nov. 12 game in Marion County.

The player was brought to a hospital emergency room in Carthage after the team returned, and hospital employees called the sheriff’s office because the injury allegedly stemmed from an assault. A police report obtained by WJTV-TV states a deputy took pictures of the bite mark.

Waggoner says the family is declining to press charges.

The Neshoba Democrat reports Wolverton coached at Leake Academy in Madden for 38 years and has a record of more than 1,200 career wins.

432 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:12:13pm

re: #426 klys

Welllll, half a ton seems like a lot.

433 Interesting Times  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:12:21pm

How about making a mug that, once you drink from it, can be broken up and eaten like potato chips? //

434 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:12:34pm

re: #430 makeitstop

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it a quarter ton?

You’re right, I’m tired and out of practice with my ()*#()%$@)$* imperial measurements.

435 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:12:56pm

re: #433 Interesting Times

How about making a mug that, once you drink from it, can be broken up and eaten like potato chips? //

What about a bacon snack coffee mug?

436 Gus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:13:26pm

This doesn’t look good. Make that “didn’t.”

Boeing crash in Kazan city, Russia caught on camera

Liveleak Video

437 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:13:33pm

It wouldn’t surprise me if Bryan is citing “studies of identical twins” that were done by, well, you know…

438 calochortus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:13:34pm

re: #426 klys

On the other hand, most paper takes a fair bit of water and some energy to make, the cups have to be shipped and then hauled to the dump when thrown out, even if you compost them once they get there. One cup for each time you grab some water.

I’m not sure what the proper answer is, but yeah, these are complicated calculations. One tries to muddle through.

439 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:13:41pm

re: #433 Interesting Times

How about making a mug that, once you drink from it, can be broken up and eaten like potato chips? //

Breadbowls declared only acceptable dishware. Forks replaced with sharpened carrots.

440 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:13:55pm

re: #434 klys

You’re right, I’m tired and out of practice with my ()*#()%$@)$* imperial measurements.

No big. As I typed that, I had the feeling that I might have been wrong. :)

441 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:15:07pm

re: #429 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

If I’ve got my mug, it is my mug until the chips start biting me back.
You know what’s crazy, those little wire charms people put on wine glasses to know which one is which.

442 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:17:14pm
443 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:17:26pm

re: #434 klys

You’re right, I’m tired and out of practice with my ()*#()%$@)$* imperial measurements.

At least you tried! My business statistics class ~ 3 times I had to take that shit just to get through it with a C-. I was a summer graduate because of it. I had anxiety dreams for years because of that class!

444 calochortus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:18:45pm

re: #439 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Breadbowls declared only acceptable dishware. Forks replaced with sharpened carrots.

Trenchers!

445 Belafon  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:18:52pm

re: #437 Vicious Babushka

I know he’s an idiot, but considering some identical twins can be different genders invalidates the entire 100% the same theory.

446 calochortus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:19:49pm

re: #445 Belafon

I know he’s an idiot, but considering some identical twins can be different genders invalidates the entire 100% the same theory.

No kidding. Would he like to explain why one identical twin can have cancer and the other not? (No? I thought not.)

447 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:20:01pm

re: #440 makeitstop

No big. As I typed that, I had the feeling that I might have been wrong. :)

No worries, I appreciate being informed I’m being an idiot by someone I trust and appreciate than otherwise.

re: #441 prairiefire

If I’ve got my mug, it is my mug until the chips start biting me back.
You know what’s crazy, those little wire charms people put on wine glasses to know which one is which.

I like the glass ones, they’re pretty.

448 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:21:00pm

re: #437 Vicious Babushka

It wouldn’t surprise me if Bryan is citing “studies of identical twins” that were done by, well, you know…

[Embedded content]

If it were one or the other, it would be 0% or 100%.

But far be it from me to bring statistics into play.

449 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:21:45pm

re: #445 Belafon

I know he’s an idiot, but considering some identical twins can be different genders invalidates the entire 100% the same theory.

Identical twins occur when one egg splits.

Fraternal twins occur when two eggs are implanted at the same time.

It is impossible for identical twins to be different genders, then they are fraternal, not identical.

450 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:22:17pm

re: #443 prairiefire

At least you tried! My business statistics class ~ 3 times I had to take that shit just to get through it with a C-. I was a summer graduate because of it. I had anxiety dreams for years because of that class!

Scientist brain: “MULTIPLE OF TEN, DONE.”
US brain: “WAIT WAIT WAIT.”
Scientist brain: “SHUT UP FOOL.”

Not lying.

451 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:22:31pm

re: #449 Vicious Babushka

Identical twins occur when one egg splits.

Fraternal twins occur when two eggs are implanted at the same time.

It is impossible for identical twins to be different genders, then they are fraternal, not identical.

I’m fairly sure they can be by something funky happening during meiosis.

452 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:22:39pm

Identical twins are still two unique individuals.

453 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:23:35pm

re: #437 Vicious Babushka

It wouldn’t surprise me if Bryan is citing “studies of identical twins” that were done by, well, you know…

[Embedded content]

Identical twins don’t have identical fingerprints either. Next!

454 Stanley Sea  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:23:50pm

re: #431 freetoken

And….he resigned.

Doyle Wolverton, the second winningest girls basketball coach in the nation, has resigned at Leake Academy after 38 years in wake of allegations he bit a player in the face during a game on Tuesday, Nov. 12 in Marion County, Greg Waggoner, Leake County sheriff, confirmed.

What a freak.

neshobademocrat.com

455 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:24:23pm

re: #452 Vicious Babushka

Identical twins are still two unique individuals.

Nature versus nuture writ large.

456 calochortus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:24:35pm

re: #452 Vicious Babushka

Identical twins are still two unique individuals.

Yay epigenetics!

457 Pumpkin Pie Of Zion  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:25:27pm

The two Zionist Overlord Twins have already developed unique personalities.

The older one (by 5 minutes) is always smacking her sister in the face.

The younger one always wants to hold hands.

458 Interesting Times  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:25:29pm

re: #451 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I’m fairly sure they can be by something funky happening during meiosis.

Cursory google search turns up…

Identical (monozygotic) twins are always same gender because they form from a single zygote that contains either male (XY) or female (XX) sex chromosomes. However, there have been a few reported cases of a genetic mutation in male twins where one twin loses an Y chromosome and develops as a female. The female twin would be afflicted with Turner Syndrome, characterized by short stature and lack of ovarian development.

459 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:25:33pm

re: #455 klys

Nature versus nuture writ large.

*I am aware that this vocabulary distinction escapes many.

Please tell me you all know the word stanchion.

460 Belafon  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:25:39pm

re: #449 Vicious Babushka

Actually, fraternal identical (the term is now monozygotic) twins can be different genders: here and here.

ETA: I didn’t edit properly.

461 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:26:20pm

re: #457 Vicious Babushka

The two Zionist Overlord Twins have already developed unique personalities.

The older one (by 5 minutes) is always smacking her sister in the face.

The younger one always wants to hold hands.

This describes me and the baby.

Except we have 8 years and not 5 minutes between us. But hey. It counts.

462 Lidane  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:27:15pm

re: #437 Vicious Babushka

Tegan and Sara would disagree. They’re identical twins and they’re both gay.

463 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:27:20pm

re: #460 Belafon

Actually, fraternal twins can be different genders: here and here.

Not to be pedantic, but fraternals being opposite gender isn’t unusual. I think you mean identical. Which is what VB was saying.

Same idea, different wavelength.

464 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:27:46pm

re: #441 prairiefire

If I’ve got my mug, it is my mug until the chips start biting me back.
You know what’s crazy, those little wire charms people put on wine glasses to know which one is whichwhose is whose.

If oak gives you a migraine, you don’t want to pick up sister-in-law’s chardonnay in mistake for your riesling.

465 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:28:56pm

re: #461 klys

This describes me and the baby.

Except we have 8 years and not 5 minutes between us. But hey. It counts.

At this point, I wish I had one of those photos I could use as an excuse for why everyone cards me at 28.

Because I have been mistaken for the baby by a teacher who had me but not her.

While I was there to pick her up from a dance in when she was in middle school and I was in college.

466 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:31:46pm

re: #464 Mentis Fugit

If oak gives you a migraine, you don’t want to pick up sister-in-law’s chardonnay in mistake for your riesling.

Ok, you’re right.

467 calochortus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:31:50pm

re: #459 klys

*I am aware that this vocabulary distinction escapes many.

Please tell me you all know the word stanchion.

Stanchion? Like what they use to hold cows in place for milking? Or is there some more relevant definition?

468 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:32:28pm

re: #467 calochortus

Stanchion? Like what they use to hold cows in place for milking? Or is there some more relevant definition?

It holds the goal in that handball game. >.> That America is obsessed with.

469 Belafon  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:33:33pm

re: #463 klys

I meant to change that after i wrote it, and then got distracted. yes, I meant identical.

470 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:33:36pm

re: #462 Lidane

Tegan and Sara would disagree. They’re identical twins and they’re both gay.

Moreover, I’d ask why it matters. It is not for the state to regulate which gender an adult can have a romantic and/or sexual relationship with. Why that person makes that choice is their business.

471 calochortus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:34:23pm

re: #468 klys

It holds the goal in that handball game. >.> That America is obsessed with.

You will note that sports is not my thing… Not that cows really are either.

472 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:34:37pm

re: #469 Belafon

I meant to change that after i wrote it, and then got distracted. yes, I meant identical.

See my re: #426 like I never make a mistake. ;)

473 dr. klys  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:34:54pm

re: #471 calochortus

You will note that sports is not my thing… Not that cows really are either.

I figured that was deer.

/ducks

474 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:35:10pm

re: #466 prairiefire

Ok, you’re right.

Extreme example, but very real for Frau Fugit.

475 calochortus  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 7:37:11pm

re: #473 klys

I figured that was deer.

/ducks

Venison.

476 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Nov 18, 2013 8:44:10pm

re: #460 Belafon

Actually, fraternal identical (the term is now monozygotic) twins can be different genders: here and here.

ETA: I didn’t edit properly.

The key phrase is “a tiny number”. This is an extremely rare phenomenon. You’ll never get enough opposite-sex identicals to screw up a twin study.


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