Ron Paul Denounces US Government in Bundy Ranch Moronic Convergence

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Ron Paul comes out in support of the far right “sovereign citizen” loons at the Bundy Ranch moronic convergence, because of course he does: The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Nevada Standoff a Symptom of Increasing Authoritarianism.

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A government that continually violates our rights of property and contract can fairly be descried as authoritarian. Of course, the politicians and bureaucrats take offense at this term, but how else do you describe a government that forbids Americans from grazing cattle on land they have used for over a century, from buying health insurance that does not meet Obamacare’s standards, from trading with Cuba, or even from drinking raw milk? That so many in DC support the NSA spying and the TSA assaults on our privacy shows the low regard that too many in government have for our rights.

History shows us that authoritarian systems, whether fascist, communist, or Keynesian, will inevitably fail. I believe incidents such as that in Nevada show we may be witnessing the failure of the American authoritarian warfare-welfare state — and that of course would be good. This is why it is so important that those of us who understand the freedom philosophy spread the truth about how statism caused our problems and why liberty is the only solution.

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247 comments
1 Skip Intro  Apr 22, 2014 12:36:34pm

Did he forget to mention drinking poisoned water, breathing polluted air, living over a toxic waste dump, and dozens of other freedoms the evil government has taken away from us?

2 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2014 12:42:36pm

I’d like to see Paul explain what would happen if it was another rancher whose land Bundy was helping himself to. Would he say that Bundy had a right to use that land because his family had been there “over a century”? Hell, I’d just like to see Paul prove that Bundy’s family has worked the land for “over a century.”

3 darthstar  Apr 22, 2014 12:44:08pm

Luap Nor for president of Bundystan!

4 Origuy  Apr 22, 2014 12:44:11pm

What party is it that keeps Americans from trading with Cuba?

5 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 12:44:21pm
MARIONVILLE — After a stormy hour and a quarter, with commentary from a wide range of Marionville residents, new Marionville Mayor Bob Clevenger declared he would resign on Tuesday morning.
“Instead of dragging this town through any more of this mess, I will turn in my resignation at 8 a.m. in the morning,” Clevenger said.
Clevenger made statements in the media supporting views of well-known local white supremacist Frazier Miller Cross, following Cross’s arrest for the murder of three people in Overland Park, Kan., on April 13. Clevenger also admitted to writing a letter to the editor to the Aurora Advertiser about 10 years ago in support of Cross’s views.

Marionville mayor bows to pressure to resign

6 ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2014 12:45:35pm

I’d like to see Ron Paul shut the hell up. So sick of his bullshit. Crazy loon always stirs up the rest of the loonies and stuff like Bundy is a result of his yapping.

7 Kragar  Apr 22, 2014 12:45:38pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

I’d like to see Paul explain what would happen if it was another rancher whose land Bundy was helping himself to. Would he say that Bundy had a right to use that land because his family had been there “over a century”? Hell, I’d just like to see Paul prove that Bundy’s family has worked the land for “over a century.”

OVER A CENTURY SINCE 1948!

8 HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2014 12:45:38pm

Someone who pals around with neo-nazis and confederates ought not to be lecturing about authoritarianism.

9 EPR-radar  Apr 22, 2014 12:46:37pm

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Someone who pals around with neo-nazis and confederates ought not to be lecturing about authoritarianism.

Yeah, the “rights of property” blather is a dog whistle going back all the way to the Civil War.

10 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Apr 22, 2014 12:47:47pm

Governments that are freely, fairly and democratically elected deserve to fail if my party loses!

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11 calochortus  Apr 22, 2014 12:48:39pm

re: #7 Kragar

OVER A CENTURY SINCE 1948!

We drove by that area last spring and I’d have to say if you live there it probably seems like centuries have passed in the years since 1948.

Or maybe it’s a desert version of Brigadoon.

12 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2014 12:49:04pm

re: #7 Kragar

OVER A CENTURY SINCE 1948!

That’s alright, I’ve got a wingnut on another board who responded to the story by going “It’s just a reporter saying that for Harry Reid!”, before launching into a spiel about how the fees were only imposed in ‘93 (a lie), Clark County bought the right to collect those fees for $375,000 (another lie), and that the Feds went to the courts in order to get those fees for themselves (do I have to?).

13 Origuy  Apr 22, 2014 12:49:27pm

Looks like Bundy’s family bought the land in 1948 and started grazing in 1954. rawstory.com

14 calochortus  Apr 22, 2014 12:51:39pm

re: #13 Origuy

Looks like Bundy’s family bought the land in 1954. rawstory.com

From your link:

Some of the militia members who have traveled to southern Nevada to offer armed support to the rancher have compared Bundy’s treatment by the federal government to the plight of Native Americans.

“They are literally treating western United States citizens, ranchers, rural folks like this are the modern-day Indians,” said Justin Giles, an Oathkeeper from Alaska. “We’re being driven off of our lands. We’re being forced into reservations known as cities.”

The Paiute Indians of Nevada were forced into reservations by federal troops in 1875 - two years after the tribe had been promised the same land where Cliven Bundy now grows melons and grazes cattle.

So they want to give it back to the Paiute?

15 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 22, 2014 12:53:44pm

re: #13 Origuy

Looks like Bundy’s family bought the land in 1954. rawstory.com

Maybe their deed is like a variant of the New Castle 12-mile circle that defines the state line between Pennsylvania and Delaware.

Though in this case it’s a radius around the patriarch of the Bundy Clan.
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en.wikipedia.org

16 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 12:54:24pm

Glenn Greenwald has gone dark. America is waiting to find out where he stands on the Bundy Ranch Happyland Fun Party.

17 Decatur Deb  Apr 22, 2014 12:54:33pm

re: #14 calochortus

From your link:

So they want to give it back to the Paiute?

Maybe Bundy wants to run a melon patch, cattle ranch, and a casino.

18 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 12:55:02pm

Will Rand denounce Ron? Or support him?

19 iossarian  Apr 22, 2014 12:55:34pm

re: #1 Skip Intro

Did he forget to mention drinking poisoned water, breathing polluted air, living over a toxic waste dump, and dozens of other freedoms the evil government has taken away from us?

Hey, you have the freedom to be shot by a responsible gun owner at your local movie theater. Let’s give credit to our elected leaders where it’s due!

20 darthstar  Apr 22, 2014 12:55:49pm
21 darthstar  Apr 22, 2014 12:58:00pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Glenn Greenwald has gone dark. America is waiting to find out where he stands on the Bundy Ranch Happyland Fun Party.

GG’s last post on The Intercept was April 4. The last post by its ‘editor’ was April 14. Sorry, but Breitbart’s dead and he still publishes more than them.

22 lawhawk  Apr 22, 2014 12:59:06pm

re: #14 calochortus

Paleface makes me laugh.

Heck, there’s an even more blatant example of a land grab. Treaty of Fort Laramie, which ceded most of Western South Dakota to tribal control. What happened next? Well, gold was found, and the tribal claims were ignored as the reservations were made ever smaller and more constrained by force in 1877.

The S.CT. upheld the tribe’s claims, with a monetary finding, plus interest.

The tribes don’t want the money. They want the land, which they claim as theirs.

That would pretty much include the Black Hills, Mt. Rushmore, Rapid City, Badlands NP, etc.

23 darthstar  Apr 22, 2014 12:59:06pm

re: #21 darthstar

GG’s last post on The Intercept was April 4. The last post by its ‘editor’ was April 14. Sorry, but Breitbart’s dead and he still publishes more than them.

Tweetable:

24 EPR-radar  Apr 22, 2014 12:59:39pm

re: #21 darthstar

GG’s last post on The Intercept was April 4. The last post by its ‘editor’ was April 14. Sorry, but Breitbart’s dead and he still publishes more than them.

When you’ve dislocated both shoulders patting yourself on the back for a pullet surprise part-credit, it’s hard to keep on writing.

25 lawhawk  Apr 22, 2014 12:59:52pm

re: #20 darthstar

That’s all part of the rebranding effort. Make PA a lot more like FL. /

26 darthstar  Apr 22, 2014 1:01:28pm

re: #25 lawhawk

That’s all part of the rebranding effort. Make PA a lot more like FL. /

Environmentally friendly racism. Who knew?

27 Decatur Deb  Apr 22, 2014 1:02:40pm

re: #20 darthstar

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The Klan tried policing a neighborhood in Pennsylvania once before:

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28 darthstar  Apr 22, 2014 1:02:41pm

Finally, a bit of good news for soon-to-be-former Governor Chris Christie: The National Father’s Day/Mother’s Day Council has named him one of their Fathers of the Year.

Christie will be honored on June 4th in New York City. Past honorees include Cronus the Titan and Woody Allen.

29 ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2014 1:02:41pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

Will Rand denounce Ron? Or support him?

Ha! I was wondering that too. Rand has been trying real hard to be the other voice.

30 KerFuFFler  Apr 22, 2014 1:04:35pm
“…a government that forbids Americans from grazing cattle on land they have used for over a century, from buying health insurance that does not meet Obamacare’s standards, from trading with Cuba, or even from drinking raw milk?” Ron Paul

While I am not a fan of violence, I have to acknowledge that early attempts by labor to improve their lot did at times rely on violent strikes. And there was some violence protesting the Vietnam War. (I am not referring to the typical protests, but rather, some of the bombs and activities of the Weathermen.) But I do notice a difference in the nature of the causes espoused. Fighting for a living wage and resisting the draft were life and death causes. Somehow expecting free food for one’s cattle or getting riled up that we can’t drink raw milk hardly seem like causes worth having people get killed or maimed.

31 calochortus  Apr 22, 2014 1:09:47pm

re: #22 lawhawk

Paleface makes me laugh.

Heck, there’s an even more blatant example of a land grab. Treaty of Fort Laramie, which ceded most of Western South Dakota to tribal control. What happened next? Well, gold was found, and the tribal claims were ignored as the reservations were made ever smaller and more constrained by force in 1877.

The S.CT. upheld the tribe’s claims, with a monetary finding, plus interest.

The tribes don’t want the money. They want the land, which they claim as theirs.

That would pretty much include the Black Hills, Mt. Rushmore, Rapid City, Badlands NP, etc.

And who can blame them? The problem is, of course, that time and ownership have marched on and it’s way too late to fix it. There is no just solution at this point. A pity we got ourselves into this situation by making and breaking treaties. I don’t suppose we’ll learn anything from the experience, though.

32 nines09  Apr 22, 2014 1:10:29pm

If you cannot find outrage, manufacture it.

33 calochortus  Apr 22, 2014 1:12:07pm

Welp, I’ve really got to get up and do stuff. BBL. (‘Cause doing stuff will probably not be as much fun as hanging out here. ;) )

34 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 1:13:48pm

re: #33 calochortus

Welp, I’ve really got to get up and do stuff. BBL. (‘Cause doing stuff will probably not be as much fun as hanging out here. ;) )

Depends on the stuff,,, and who you’re doing it with, no??

35 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2014 1:17:25pm

At this point, Bundy is about as “real” a patriot as “Joe the Plumber.”

36 Zamb  Apr 22, 2014 1:25:58pm

I really don’t understand claims about excessive force by the feds for the such a small issue. If I pull a gun on a cop trying to give me a ticket, I’m he’s probably going to use his, likewise if you bring a fucking militia to point guns at the guys confiscate the cattle you’ve been using to illegally use federal land there is gonna be a standoff. It’s good no one has been hurt yet but still what the fuck do you expect when you threaten violence, that they will just walk up unarmed?

37 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 1:26:04pm

I haz new Twitter profile design.

38 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 1:28:25pm

re: #37 Gus

I haz new Twitter profile design.

Twitterdom is all abuzz!!!
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39 Timothy Watson  Apr 22, 2014 1:28:25pm

From the previous post:

Here we go again:

Links to… Infowars.

The article links to a FBO request for services. 5 year contract to provide a total of 25 million rounds.

Newsworthy? Hardly. It’s to provide ammo for multiple agencies within DHS. And it’s a followup to an earlier request that was subsumed by the current one.

But to the RWNJ/wingnut media, this means go out and horde your own ammo, raise prices and gouge, and blame Obama for the shortages. /rinse and repeat

Not to mention that the DHS runs Glynco (the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center) where pretty much all federal law enforcement officers train.

You think they might use a lot of ammo during training and recertification? D’uh, damn wingnuts.

40 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 1:29:05pm

re: #37 Gus

I haz new Twitter profile design.

Do. Not. Want. (Yours looks fine, of course.)

Will it happen to me, or do I have to make it happen? I’m afraid to log out and back in.

41 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 1:30:11pm

re: #38 sattv4u2

Twitterdom is all abuzz!!!
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Well, actually. //

42 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 1:30:50pm

re: #41 Gus

Well, actually. //

Wha,,,,, you’re already buzzed !?!?!?!

43 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 1:30:51pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

Do. Not. Want. (Yours looks fine, of course.)

Will it happen to me, or do I have to make it happen? I’m afraid to log out and back in.

It should give you the option whether to change it to the new one.

44 Timothy Watson  Apr 22, 2014 1:31:13pm

re: #37 Gus

I haz new Twitter profile design.

Youtube Video

45 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 1:31:49pm

re: #43 Gus

It should give you the option whether to change it to the new one.

I like my progress sssssslllllllllllllllllllllllloowwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

46 Ming  Apr 22, 2014 1:32:06pm

Ron Paul’s statement, “how else do you describe a government that forbids Americans from grazing cattle on land they have used for over a century, from buying health insurance that does not meet Obamacare’s standards, from trading with Cuba, or even from drinking raw milk?” is ridiculous.

No need to comment on the first thing. As for the second, “buying health insurance that does not meet Obamacare’s standards,” well isn’t that the point of universal healthcare? In a country with universal healthcare, a person can’t have only a $10 / month policy, with a maximum benefit of $750. No matter how much they like it.

Many disagree with me about this, but about trading with Cuba, the embargo seems to have worked since 1962. I admit it’s not good for the Cuban people, and I don’t know when it should be lifted, but let’s face it, during the Cold War, a strong and prosperous Cuba would have been a major threat to the United States. So I don’t view the embargo as a failure.

As for drinking raw milk, I’m no expert, but I assume that this thing called pasteurization used to save lives. Whether that still needs to be regulated, I don’t know. Is Ron Paul saying he’s opposed to any regulation of food?

47 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 1:32:27pm
48 Zamb  Apr 22, 2014 1:32:50pm

re: #39 Timothy Watson

You think they might use a lot of ammo during training and recertification? D’uh, damn wingnuts.

Exactly, but we are supposed to believe that anytime the government purchases ammo its for some evil purpose, but when an individual starts stockpiling guns and ammo its just in case some shady criminals decide to try and take their tv.

49 Lidane  Apr 22, 2014 1:33:11pm

re: #4 Origuy

What party is it that keeps Americans from trading with Cuba?

Seriously. The Cuban embargo is a pathetic, irrelevant Cold War relic that only even exists anymore so the GOP can pander to GOP voters in Florida.

We should lift the embargo and flood Havana with American dollars and business. Anything else is ridiculous.

50 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 1:34:35pm
51 kirkspencer  Apr 22, 2014 1:35:22pm

re: #47 Gus

Some of us do not decide our votes on what someone looks like.

52 Lidane  Apr 22, 2014 1:37:17pm

re: #7 Kragar

OVER A CENTURY SINCE 1948!

Ugh. That stupid ZOMG ANCESTRAL LANDS idiocy kills me.

First, his father didn’t buy ranch until 1948, two years AFTER Cliven Bundy was born and the BLM was created. Second, they didn’t graze on it until 1954. Nevada was federal land dating back to 1848 (Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo), and when Nevada became a state in 1864, they ceded all rights to public land back to the United States.

In short, when his dad bought the ranch next to the grazing fields, all public land belonged to the federal government. Refusing to pay his grazing fees means he’s a deadbeat. Game, set, match.

53 Decatur Deb  Apr 22, 2014 1:37:19pm

Heh. One of the Threeper sites backing the Bundy circus has posted a “Know Your Enemy” thread. It’s illustrated with the organizational table of the 82nd Airborne.

54 Ming  Apr 22, 2014 1:37:28pm

re: #49 Lidane

Seriously. The Cuban embargo is a pathetic, irrelevant Cold War relic that only even exists anymore so the GOP can pander to GOP voters in Florida.

We should lift the embargo and flood Havana with American dollars and business. Anything else is ridiculous.

Notwithstanding my earlier comment, I may agree with you. It may well be time to lift the embargo. I don’t have any particular connection with Cuba or Cuban Americans, so I have no ax to grind, but I always viewed the embargo as a very GOOD move in 1962, given the Cold War. It’s a nasty thing to say, but “it worked”. How much longer it should go on is a different question, and maybe it should have been lifted 10 years ago.

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 22, 2014 1:39:58pm

en.wikipedia.org

I love science.

Data anomalies noted during a survey. So it leads to an experiment to verify if a nearby mountain could generate detectable deflection in a plumb bob. From that you can calculate densities of the mountain, the Earth, and then other orbital bodies.

56 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 1:40:29pm

re: #51 kirkspencer

Some of us do not decide our votes on what someone looks like.

Apparently women don’t age. If they do age according to Erickson they should always have facial skin as they did when they were 19 years old. Then, they’ll still complain if a woman gets plastic surgery or uses Botox. It’s all rather stupid.

57 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 1:41:56pm

Tweaking and polishing the mobile version of LGF.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 22, 2014 1:43:11pm

re: #54 Ming

Well, no. It never “worked”. Until the Soviet Union collapsed they received everything they needed at the expense of the Soviet workers. After that, the bosses were still comfortable anyway and only the people of Cuba suffered.

Look to eastern Europe - the more dollars, Levi’s & rock music there were, the more peaceful the transition away from the soviet system. The Czechs are probably the best example of how we should be reintegrating Cuba into the 1st world with our trade.

59 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2014 1:43:29pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Tweaking and polishing the mobile version of LGF.

Does it include the mobile access to the LGF orbital laser array?

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60 Timothy Watson  Apr 22, 2014 1:43:54pm

re: #49 Lidane

Seriously. The Cuban embargo is a pathetic, irrelevant Cold War relic that only even exists anymore so the GOP can pander to GOP voters in Florida.

We should lift the embargo and flood Havana with American dollars and business. Anything else is ridiculous.

In exchange, we get all their classic cars, right?

61 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 22, 2014 1:44:01pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Heh. One of the Threeper sites backing the Bundy circus has posted a “Know Your Enemy” thread. It’s illustrated with the organizational table of the 82nd Airborne.

The kooks are bluffing and posturing and acting out their fantasies, of course. The Republican media inciting them are therefore confident that nothing serious will result. Unfortunately, history tells us that this kind of fantasy-driven confrontation can very quickly spin out of control, with often tragic consequences.
Unlikely as it seems at first glance, I think there is a real possibility of a huge bloodbath, with not dozens, but thousands killed. If something like that happens, the inciters must be held accountable.

62 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 1:44:24pm
63 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 1:44:58pm
64 ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2014 1:45:53pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Tweaking and polishing the mobile version of LGF.

Gonna buy a nice set of vinyl GT stripes and blacken the hood?

(reality TV show upgrade!)

65 Decatur Deb  Apr 22, 2014 1:45:53pm

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel

The kooks are bluffing and posturing and acting out their fantasies, of course. The Republican media inciting them are therefore confident that nothing serious will result. Unfortunately, history tells us that this kind of fantasy-driven confrontation can very quickly spin out of control, with often tragic consequences.
Unlikely as it seems at first glance, I think there is a real possibility of a huge bloodbath, with not dozens, but thousands killed. If something like that happens, the inciters must be held accountable.

They were only asking questions that had to be asked.

66 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2014 1:47:36pm

re: #62 Gus

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“Just think happy thoughts!”

67 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 1:47:38pm

re: #60 Timothy Watson

In exchange, we get all their classic cars, right?

Hmmm,,,,, I sure could use some extra parts for mine!!!

68 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2014 1:50:31pm

re: #60 Timothy Watson

In exchange, we get all their classic cars, right?

The day after the embargo ends, EBay’s gonna get flooded with vintage 50s cars for sale.

69 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 22, 2014 1:52:14pm

Conservative media reporter slithers out of my driveway after I refused an interview:

70 Decatur Deb  Apr 22, 2014 1:52:19pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

The day after the embargo ends, EBay’s gonna get flooded with vintage 50s cars for sale.

Watch changing the brakes. Small shops are relining old shoes with asbestos/phenolic mix.

71 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 1:53:11pm

Here Charles. Mona being a bigot.

72 dog philosopher  Apr 22, 2014 1:53:32pm

a break from my own mishegas to load up on wingnut mishegas

These two maps show how ridiculous the objections are as they contrast the part of the proposed pipeline that Obama keeps postponing a decision on with all the pipelines that we already have in the United States.

Now do you get it? The Keystone Pipeline would represent a .04% increase in U.S. pipelines. That’s 4/100ths of 1%, a comparison identical to 2 feet versus 1 mile, or 1 teaspoon compared to 3 1/4 gallons.

I had no idea. It makes the objections even more ludicrous.

ok, got it, .04%

then why is it so all fired important that it’s got your ass in a uproar for the past how many years?

73 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 1:53:49pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

Conservative media reporter slithers out of my driveway after I refused an interview:
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Do I see a few rattles on the end of the tail?

74 Ming  Apr 22, 2014 1:54:38pm

re: #63 Gus

Wow! That’s an amazing article:

“Durov, who has been compared to Facebook’s founder Mark Zuckerberg, claimed he was squeezed out of VKontakte after refusing to reveal the identities of users involved in organising pro-EU protests in Ukraine to security services.

“I’m out of Russia and have no plans to go back,” he told TechCrunch.

“Unfortunately, the country is incompatible with the Internet business at the moment,” he said, adding that he plans to create a new mobile social network.”

Snowden’s move to Russia was very badly timed.

75 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 1:54:57pm

kittehs!

76 Lidane  Apr 22, 2014 1:55:29pm

re: #54 Ming

How much longer it should go on is a different question, and maybe it should have been lifted 10 years ago.

The perfect time to end it was back in 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed. Having a ton of American investment and tourism from the moment that the USSR fell apart could have been a killing blow to the Castro regime back then.

77 Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2014 1:55:50pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

Conservative media reporter slithers out of my driveway after I refused an interview:
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AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

78 Ming  Apr 22, 2014 1:57:57pm

re: #76 Lidane

That makes sense… I can see where ending the embargo in 1991 would have been a win for everyone, especially the Cuban people, and as you say might have even gotten rid of Castro.

79 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 1:58:11pm

F/A-18-E Super Hornets are amazing machines.

Youtube Video

80 dog philosopher  Apr 22, 2014 1:59:09pm

re: #54 Ming

Notwithstanding my earlier comment, I may agree with you. It may well be time to lift the embargo. I don’t have any particular connection with Cuba or Cuban Americans, so I have no ax to grind, but I always viewed the embargo as a very GOOD move in 1962, given the Cold War. It’s a nasty thing to say, but “it worked”. How much longer it should go on is a different question, and maybe it should have been lifted 10 years ago.

i have to disagree

i couldn’t tell you what it did to work except to drive fidel ever deeper into the arms of the CP USSR and further impoverish the ever suffering people of cuba

81 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 2:02:01pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

“Just think happy thoughts!”

82 NJDhockeyfan  Apr 22, 2014 2:02:08pm
83 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 2:03:59pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

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8th row back

11th car in

I think thats the one I ordered!!!

84 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 2:04:27pm
85 darthstar  Apr 22, 2014 2:04:56pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

8th row back

11th car in

I think thats the one I ordered!!!

Worst valet service ever. When he gets back with my car, he’s so not getting a tip.

86 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 2:05:40pm

re: #85 darthstar

Worst valet service ever. When he gets back with my car, he’s so not getting a tip.

He saw that

he just spit in your glovebox

87 Ian G.  Apr 22, 2014 2:06:15pm
A government that continually violates our rights of property and contract can fairly be descried as authoritarian.

Uh, it wasn’t Bundy’s property, dipshit. If I walked into the Jacob Javitz Federal Building a few blocks north of here on Broadway and demanded to use the office space for my business, for free, I should expect to be kicked out, and possibly arrested.

88 darthstar  Apr 22, 2014 2:07:12pm

re: #86 sattv4u2

He saw that

he just spit in your glovebox

I should have told him the accelerator has a tendency to stick when it’s cold….{{{SPLASH!}}}

89 Targetpractice  Apr 22, 2014 2:07:33pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

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I think I saw this on an episode of Top Gear once…

90 Kragar  Apr 22, 2014 2:07:44pm

“So you gave me this task due this friday, and its going to take me days to set up the groups to do the job properly, not counting the days it will take to scan.”

“Oh, just break the list down into chunks and scan that way.”

“You’ve got duplicated data, aggregated subnets, and stuff from all over the network. Fed in that way, you’re going to end up with a bigger mess that still won’t work.”

“Whatever. Just get it done by Friday.”

So, I just broke a huge pile of shit into equal sized blocks of shit so a security scan will take forever, supply shit results, and ultimately get ignored, because thats what management wants, just so they can say “WE DID IT ON TIME!” rather than stand up to the customer and get them to do it right.

91 Ming  Apr 22, 2014 2:09:05pm

re: #80 dog philosopher

i have to disagree

i couldn’t tell you what it did to work except to drive fidel ever deeper into the arms of the CP USSR and further impoverish the ever suffering people of cuba

I hadn’t thought of that… the embargo may have had the opposite effect of what was intended.

92 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 2:09:13pm

re: #88 darthstar

I should have told him the accelerator has a tendency to stick when it’s cold….{{{SPLASH!}}}

Ah

A GM, huh!!

93 Decatur Deb  Apr 22, 2014 2:11:56pm

re: #91 Ming

I hadn’t thought of that… the embargo may have had the opposite effect of what was intended.

Unless the intent was to reconfigure the world sugar market.

94 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 2:13:13pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Unless the intent was to reconfigure the world sugar market.

Or foment a popular uprising against the Castros’

95 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 2:13:34pm

cat work station

I think this will work until you set up your laptop, papers and other stuff.
Some of the other photos also show a plant in a glass vase. Pretty sure that won’t last long.

Shared Table Where People Can Work and Cats Can Wander

96 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 2:13:47pm
97 Decatur Deb  Apr 22, 2014 2:14:47pm

re: #94 sattv4u2

Or foment a popular uprising against the Castros’

Did one thing, didn’t do the other.

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 2:19:32pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

Marionville mayor bows to pressure to resign

I paged this.

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 22, 2014 2:20:15pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Unless the intent was to reconfigure the world sugar market.

And protect the local US sugar interests as well.

Edit: And morphed into protecting the corn interests as well since HFCS is economical as a substitute for cane sugar due to the tariffs and embargo effects.

100 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 2:21:01pm
101 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 2:21:27pm
102 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 2:28:46pm
104 klys  Apr 22, 2014 2:31:26pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

cat work station

I think this will work until you set up your laptop, papers and other stuff.
Some of the other photos also show a plant in a glass vase. Pretty sure that won’t last long.

Shared Table Where People Can Work and Cats Can Wander

For small cats, I see.

105 klys  Apr 22, 2014 2:32:26pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

Well crap, now you’ve gone and jumped the shark.

//

106 dog philosopher  Apr 22, 2014 2:34:36pm

re: #99 Feline Fearless Leader

And protect the local US sugar interests as well.

Edit: And morphed into protecting the corn interests as well since HFCS is economical as a substitute for cane sugar due to the tariffs and embargo effects.

so if it wasn’t for the embargo possibly we’d all be healthier?

107 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 2:35:06pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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More outrage from the peanut gallery?

108 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 2:35:30pm

re: #102 Gus

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It’s a muskrat! Partly.

109 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 2:36:01pm

re: #105 klys

Well crap, now you’ve gone and jumped the shark.

//

It was actually the tweet I posted for Skip Intro’s page:

Florida Republican Arrested for DUI After Leaving Taco Bell at 2 A.M.

110 urbanmeemaw  Apr 22, 2014 2:36:51pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

When I clicked to an online story about his marathon win, I made the mistake of scrolling to the comments. I made it through 10. The nastiness and hate were just awful (but there were some commenters who were objecting to the hate). I also read a story about him years ago in Runners World and the article also noted how much hate is directed towards him. Objection is that he’s not a “real ‘murican” or some such. Sheesh.

111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 2:39:50pm
112 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 2:40:01pm

A real CSS rule for the mobile version:

div#editstuff table#imagetable .infotd td:nth-child(odd) {
	display: none;
}

It controls part of the popup Image Library - removes the labels from the image info to save horizontal space.

113 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 2:40:34pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

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114 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 2:43:07pm
115 klys  Apr 22, 2014 2:44:08pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

It was actually the tweet I posted for Skip Intro’s page:

Florida Republican Arrested for DUI After Leaving Taco Bell at 2 A.M.

I saw, but the comment was too tempting. :)

116 Mattand  Apr 22, 2014 2:45:00pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel

Conservative media reporter slithers out of my driveway after I refused an interview:
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Is that a rattler?

117 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 2:50:09pm

re: #114 Gus

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“Oso Strong” sounds way better than “Boston Strong”.

118 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 2:52:12pm

BTW. Fake Democrat has disappeared from Twitter.

119 ramex  Apr 22, 2014 2:54:23pm

By Ron Paul’s logic shouldn’t it be perfectly legal to organize an armed raid on Fort Knox and take every last ounce of bullion from the depository?

120 Lidane  Apr 22, 2014 2:55:04pm

re: #102 Gus

121 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 2:55:13pm

Have to give equal time to teh puppeez…

122 Decatur Deb  Apr 22, 2014 2:55:40pm

re: #119 ramex

By Ron Paul’s logic shouldn’t it be perfectly legal to organize an armed raid on Fort Knox and take every last ounce of bullion from the depository?

That would be silly. We know the gold was all shipped out in ‘73.

123 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 2:55:51pm

re: #119 ramex

By Ron Paul’s logic shouldn’t it be perfectly legal to organize an armed raid on Fort Knox and take every last ounce of bullion from the depository?

There’s non there
/Jesse Ventura conspiracy show mode off

124 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 2:56:16pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

11 seconds

125 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 2:57:46pm

heh…

126 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 2:58:27pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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I don’t have to run faster than a bear

I just have to run faster than you

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 3:00:16pm

re: #126 sattv4u2

I don’t have to run faster than a bear

I just have to run faster than you

I’m the one in the car with the camera…

128 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 3:01:55pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m the one in the car with the camera…

Okay

Image: original.jpg

129 sagehen  Apr 22, 2014 3:03:10pm

re: #80 dog philosopher

i have to disagree

i couldn’t tell you what it did to work except to drive fidel ever deeper into the arms of the CP USSR and further impoverish the ever suffering people of cuba

It got the FALN (Puerto Rican separatist terrorists) to cut their shit out. The bombings, the hijackings, that time they shot up Congress (5 injured), the time they killed Harry Truman’s bodyguard trying to get to him…

Convincing the people of Puerto Rico that they didn’t really want to be another Cuba, that they didn’t want to support the separatists, was a good.

130 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 3:04:50pm

This is an interesting postscript to all the recent Andres Breivik nonsense after Greenwald’s sleazy smear tweet: I came across this article at Expo.se with no direct English version, but here’s the Google translation:

The terrorist Anders Behring Breivik has sent a letter to the international media. In the letter, he describes himself as a fighter for the “Nordic race survival” and requires a territory for whites in Norway.

Anders Behring Breivik has sent out a letter Expo Today has reviewed several international media. The letter he describes as a sort of first step in a “peace negotiation” with their political opponents. In the letter, Anders Behring Breivik, to some extent changed the rhetoric from the one he held in his so-called manifesto. He says that he sent a manifesto “counterjihadistisk” rhetoric to protect the “ethno-nationalist” and instead launch a media drive against anti-nationalist counter-jihad supporter. He calls this strategy of “dual psychology”.

Anders Behring Breivik claims he seeks a “pure Nordic ideals.” He argues that the “Nordic race” is being eradicated and want to form a Nazi party in Norway like the Swedes party. He mentions several notorious right-wing extremists in Norway that he wants to lead the party, including Varg Vikernes and Erik Blucher.

“We lost the European civil war (World War II),” writes Brevik and addressed to the nationalists who he believes should endorse his “peace proposal”.

Breivik also identifies himself as part of the “Western Europe’s fascist movement.” For it to be peace Breivik believes that “nationalists” will be offered Southwestern Østfold in Norway to ensure “the survival of native Norwegians and Scandinavians.” Similar land platelets want to see Breivik distributed whites in several European countries.

Breivik writes in addition to his love of Israel consists only in its future function as a place to deport “disloyal Jews.”

131 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:05:46pm
132 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:07:11pm

re: #130 Charles Johnson

This is an interesting postscript to all the recent Andres Breivik nonsense after Greenwald’s sleazy smear tweet: I came across this article at Expo.se with no direct English version, but here’s the Google translation:

Hey. What ever happened with that person from Norway that was here around that time?

133 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 3:10:47pm

In other words, if what this report says is true (I didn’t find any better source for it), it conclusively disproves the accusation that Breivik was in any way inspired by LGF. Everything he put in that manifesto was intended to foment discord among the “counterjihad” weasels, because they weren’t murderous enough for him.

It wasn’t a difference of ideology or policy between Breivik and the counterjihadis - it was a matter of pure strategy. He was ready to start deporting and murdering now, with his ultra-nationalist freak show pals, and he saw the counterjihadis as obstacles because they insisted on weak “liberal values” cover language.

134 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:14:27pm

Free!

135 jaunte  Apr 22, 2014 3:15:00pm

re: #132 Gus

Oyvind Strommen?

136 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 3:15:42pm

re: #135 jaunte

Oyvind Strommen?

gesundheit

137 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:16:01pm

re: #135 jaunte

Oyvind Strommen?

Yep, that’s him.

138 jaunte  Apr 22, 2014 3:16:28pm

re: #137 Gus

“Øyvind Strømmen is managing editor of Hate Speech International.”
hate-speech.org

139 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:16:44pm

re: #135 jaunte

Oyvind Strommen?

I think. Not really sure now.

140 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:17:44pm

Wait. That’s right.

141 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:18:41pm

The ‘Stalinist’ Who Came In From The Cold

142 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 3:20:30pm

Oh… I see the “anti-counter-jihadi” wonder bloggers already picked up on this, and are saying it exonerates them, because they’re not neo-Nazis like that awful Breivik.

Except, you know, for those associations with neo-Nazis and fascists like the EDL and Vlaams Belang, etc.

143 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 3:22:11pm

It’s weird - almost nobody else picked up on this story at all. I can’t find any source more credible than that Expo article, and a strange write-up at Glenn Beck’s site.

144 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:24:36pm

oslogin

145 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:25:31pm

LGF Pages: oslogin

146 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:26:31pm

Who is the terrorist?
The Norwegian terrorist seems to be an example of ‘internet radicalisation’.

147 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:32:01pm

==THREAD CLOSED==

148 dog philosopher  Apr 22, 2014 3:32:18pm

History shows us that authoritarian systems, whether fascist, communist, or Keynesian, will inevitably fail. I believe incidents such as that in Nevada show we may be witnessing the failure of the American authoritarian warfare-welfare state — and that of course would be good

but what about the inevitable demise of the Republican Moron State?

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 3:35:27pm

re: #145 Gus

LGF Pages: oslogin

He has a wiki page.

en.wikipedia.org

150 dog philosopher  Apr 22, 2014 3:43:29pm

re: #129 sagehen

It got the FALN (Puerto Rican separatist terrorists) to cut their shit out. The bombings, the hijackings, that time they shot up Congress (5 injured), the time they killed Harry Truman’s bodyguard trying to get to him…

Convincing the people of Puerto Rico that they didn’t really want to be another Cuba, that they didn’t want to support the separatists, was a good.

as a matter of cost/benefit analysis, it would seem that the cost, incurred largely by the people of cuba, was disproportionate to the benefit, which accrued mostly to the government of the united states

no, i still don’t weigh it as a net ‘good’, myself

151 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:44:04pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

He has a wiki page.

en.wikipedia.org

I see. He wasn’t very popular at LGF during the war years. I wasn’t here then. Finally he started to post here. He never had anything bad to say about Charles. Never accused him of anything.

152 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 3:45:36pm

To Greenwald I would say, Øyvind Strømmen posted here about Breivik. Never accused Charles Johnson of anything. He was in fact warmly welcomed. Your argument is invalid.

153 Lidane  Apr 22, 2014 3:47:34pm

No one could have predicted:

154 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 3:47:40pm

re: #152 Gus

To Greenwald I would say, Øyvind Strømmen posted here about Breivik. Never accused Charles Johnson of anything. He was in fact warmly welcomed. Your argument is invalid.

He wrote an article recently that Thanos Paged here.

155 Lidane  Apr 22, 2014 4:00:22pm

Cue the derp:

156 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Apr 22, 2014 4:01:26pm

re: #62 Gus

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Invisible stilts?

157 thedopefishlives  Apr 22, 2014 4:05:58pm

Evening Lizardim.

158 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 4:07:08pm

I think it’s pretty clear that Charles has gotten underneath the fearless Mighty Greenwald.

159 thedopefishlives  Apr 22, 2014 4:08:12pm

re: #158 Gus

I think it’s pretty clear that Charles has gotten underneath the fearless Mighty Greenwald.

I think that became self-evident right around the time he started treating Rodan, of all people, as a credible source.

160 darthstar  Apr 22, 2014 4:13:32pm
161 Lidane  Apr 22, 2014 4:19:29pm

re: #160 darthstar

Because really, what political party would need the fastest growing demographic group in the country?

162 Lidane  Apr 22, 2014 4:19:54pm

Jesus was all about the important things, yo:

163 dog philosopher  Apr 22, 2014 4:20:02pm

re: #159 thedopefishlives

I think that became self-evident right around the time he started treating Rodan, of all people, as a credible source.

lie down with radioactive japanese movie monsters, get up with radioactive fleas

164 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 4:23:56pm
165 Lidane  Apr 22, 2014 4:29:05pm
166 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 4:29:56pm

re: #164 Gus

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167 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 4:32:31pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

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168 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 22, 2014 4:33:58pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ok lizards… what’s that beautiful black car behind the sign? I think I’m in love…

RBS

169 JustMark  Apr 22, 2014 4:34:14pm

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cats share?

170 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 4:35:50pm

re: #168 RealityBasedSteve

ok lizards… what’s that beautiful black car behind the sign? I think I’m in love…

RBS

Think it’s a Cobra GT.

171 Skip Intro  Apr 22, 2014 4:36:15pm

re: #162 Lidane

Jesus was all about the important things, yo:

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I like this one better.

Fischer: The Poor ‘Ought To Be Kissing The Ground’ Upon Which The Rich Walk

172 b_sharp  Apr 22, 2014 4:37:16pm

re: #170 Gus

Think it’s a Cobra GT.

That was my guess too.

173 thedopefishlives  Apr 22, 2014 4:37:30pm

re: #171 Skip Intro

I like this one better.

>Fischer: The Poor ‘Ought To Be Kissing The Ground’ Upon Which The Rich Walk

How about you kiss my ass instead, Mr. Fischer. Oh, wait - you’d probably like that.

174 GeneJockey  Apr 22, 2014 4:38:40pm

re: #170 Gus

Think it’s a Cobra GT.

The GT is a coupe. That’s a Cobra, probably a 427, or a replica.

175 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 22, 2014 4:38:41pm

re: #170 Gus

Think it’s a Cobra GT.

yep…. soon as you said that. I could see it.

Thanks

RBS
I should have know that… really.

176 GeneJockey  Apr 22, 2014 4:40:06pm

re: #171 Skip Intro

I like this one better.

>Fischer: The Poor ‘Ought To Be Kissing The Ground’ Upon Which The Rich Walk

re: #171 Skip Intro

I like this one better.

>Fischer: The Poor ‘Ought To Be Kissing The Ground’ Upon Which The Rich Walk

WTF?!?!?

177 ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2014 4:40:12pm

re: #174 GeneJockey

The GT is a coupe. That’s a Cobra, probably a 427, or a replica.

Most likely a replica. There are some real nice ‘new’ Cobras made these days.

178 GeneJockey  Apr 22, 2014 4:42:14pm

re: #177 ObserverArt

Most likely a replica. There are some real nice ‘new’ Cobras made these days.

IMO, the most beautifully purposeful car of the 1960s. Possibly ever.

179 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 4:42:32pm

re: #174 GeneJockey

The GT is a coupe. That’s a Cobra, probably a 427, or a replica.

1966 Shelby Cobra

180 Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2014 4:43:12pm

Here’s a 1967 427 Cobra

181 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 4:44:59pm

That’s the same Cobra BTW. Cobra Motors album here.

182 Skip Intro  Apr 22, 2014 4:45:06pm

re: #176 GeneJockey

Yeah, it’s a real quote, but I think it’s been cleaned up from the original “The poor ought to lick the bowls into which the rich pee”.

183 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 4:46:12pm

Here it is with the same Mustang.

184 GeneJockey  Apr 22, 2014 4:46:37pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s a 1967 427 Cobra

I actually prefer the more restrained look of the 289 Cobra.

185 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 4:46:45pm

@cobramotors427

186 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 4:47:28pm

facebook.com

187 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 22, 2014 4:47:30pm

re: #180 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here’s a 1967 427 Cobra

There is a guy here in Clarksville that has a replica one. I’ve seen it a few times, metal body, and judging from the beautiful sound coming from under the hood, it’s a smallblock with a supercharger on it. Has that lovely whine noise.

RBS

188 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 4:47:39pm

Sheesh. I see Mona Holland is still at it. Now she’s answering a thread that’s 55 days old. HATE SITE! NOTORIOUS HATE SITE!!!!1!!!9

189 thedopefishlives  Apr 22, 2014 4:48:49pm

190 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 4:50:33pm

re: #188 Charles Johnson

Sheesh. I see Mona Holland is still at it. Now she’s answering a thread that’s 55 days old. HATE SITE! NOTORIOUS HATE SITE!!!!1!!!9

I RT’d something and some folks jumped on it like it was news. She’s been rambling all day.

191 thedopefishlives  Apr 22, 2014 4:53:09pm

Good grief. When did I turn into such a nerd that I’m storing up memes just to post here? It’s not like you guys haven’t seen them before.

192 RealityBasedSteve  Apr 22, 2014 4:55:04pm

re: #191 thedopefishlives

Good grief. When did I turn into such a nerd that I’m storing up memes just to post here? It’s not like you guys haven’t seen them before.

well, it’s nice to see them. It’s like when your best friend makes the same bad joke, you’ve already heard it 100 times, but you like it when he does it.

RBS

193 Bubblehead II  Apr 22, 2014 4:59:05pm

Evening Lizards.

194 ninja cat  Apr 22, 2014 4:59:27pm

re: #191 thedopefishlives

Good grief. When did I turn into such a nerd that I’m storing up memes just to post here? It’s not like you guys haven’t seen them before.

Keep posting and I will keep storing. I haven’t seen most of them.

195 Romantic Heretic  Apr 22, 2014 5:02:23pm

re: #46 Ming

Is Ron Paul saying he’s opposed to any regulation of food?

He’s saying you can trust the free market. After all, businesses that engage in unethical behaviour will be driven out of business by ethical businesses.

Snort. I knew I’d never be able to say that with a straight face.

196 Romantic Heretic  Apr 22, 2014 5:05:06pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Heh. One of the Threeper sites backing the Bundy circus has posted a “Know Your Enemy” thread. It’s illustrated with the organizational table of the 82nd Airborne.

Now that would be an amusing firefight. Old, overweight white guys against well trained and armed soldiers.

Short though.

197 Mentis Fugit  Apr 22, 2014 5:05:19pm

re: #20 darthstar

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Singing KKKumbaya?

198 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 5:08:57pm
199 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 5:14:43pm

Scientists explore possibilities of mind reading
usatoday.com

I knew I heard that somewhere !!!
/

200 Political Atheist  Apr 22, 2014 5:14:49pm

Aereo fights for future before the Supreme Court

latimes.com

Anyone else watching this close?

201 Romantic Heretic  Apr 22, 2014 5:16:43pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

F/A-18-E Super Hornets are amazing machines.

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Larger

Am I a bad pacifist that I could recognize every weapon they were carrying?

But, damn. Does that look like fun!

202 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 5:16:53pm

‘Gates of Vienna’ is still publishing Fjordman, as of April 11. Why doesn’t Mona go after their hate site? Oh, they probably said something nice about Greenwald.

203 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 5:18:20pm

re: #201 Romantic Heretic

Am I a bad pacifist that I could recognize every weapon they were carrying?

But, damn. Does that look like fun!

Cool, the ‘Larger’ button worked in the quoted comment.

204 thedopefishlives  Apr 22, 2014 5:20:35pm

re: #201 Romantic Heretic

Am I a bad pacifist that I could recognize every weapon they were carrying?

But, damn. Does that look like fun!

I get a rush watching those bad boys blast off the deck. It’s saying something when the catapult launch is the least dangerous thing they do.

205 Romantic Heretic  Apr 22, 2014 5:24:44pm

re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh…

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When people ask if I run I’ve always said, “Only if I’m chased, and if she’s cute I usually let her catch me.”

206 Romantic Heretic  Apr 22, 2014 5:30:29pm

re: #148 dog philosopher

History shows us that authoritarian systems, whether fascist, communist, or Keynesian, will inevitably fail. I believe incidents such as that in Nevada show we may be witnessing the failure of the American authoritarian warfare-welfare state — and that of course would be good

but what about the inevitable demise of the Republican Moron State?

Unfortunately the stupid and insane will always be with us.

207 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 5:32:45pm
208 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 5:33:21pm
209 b_sharp  Apr 22, 2014 5:33:46pm

re: #204 thedopefishlives

I get a rush watching those bad boys blast off the deck. It’s saying something when the catapult launch is the least dangerous thing they do.

I’m still in lust with the F-22

210 Bubblehead II  Apr 22, 2014 5:35:20pm

re: #200 Political Atheist

Aereo fights for future before the Supreme Court

latimes.com

Anyone else watching this close?

Not really. But from what little I saw, all Aereo is doing is basically pulling content from the public air waves, archiving it in the cloud and then selling a subscription to those who wish to buy said content through a filtered search engine.

The big three , NBC, CBS, ABC and others don’t like it.

Tough shit. Once you publicly release ANY media over a public network. you loose all copy rights.

Get over it.

211 thedopefishlives  Apr 22, 2014 5:35:41pm

re: #209 b_sharp

I’m still in lust with the F-22

Sorry. I used to be sweet on the Tomcat and the Eagle, but these days, I’m a sucker for a Hornet (or her bigger, younger sister, the Super Hornet). I did get to see a pair of Air National Guard F-15’s lift off from a runway at night once, though.

212 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 5:36:50pm

re: #153 Lidane

No one could have predicted:

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That’s going to be an example in every class on Social Media forever.

213 JustMark  Apr 22, 2014 5:37:48pm

re: #211 thedopefishlives

Sorry. I used to be sweet on the Tomcat and the Eagle, but these days, I’m a sucker for a Hornet (or her bigger, younger sister, the Super Hornet). I did get to see a pair of Air National Guard F-15’s lift off from a runway at night once, though.

I’m still a sucker for a pair of F-4s taking of with full afterburners at night from Ramstein AFB. Epic.

214 Dark_Falcon  Apr 22, 2014 5:41:57pm

re: #163 dog philosopher

lie down with radioactive japanese movie monsters, get up with radioactive fleas

But they die soon enough unless soaked in ammonia.

/Pacific Rim riff

215 compound_Idaho  Apr 22, 2014 5:44:08pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

It always bothers me when I hear NFL, NBA, or MLS players … are the greatest athletes (nobody makes such claims about NHL). I can guarantee you that Meb or any of the top 100? 1000? finishers cannot get away with hanging out in strip clubs, after hour clubs, or smoking pot and perform anywhere near the top of the field.

216 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 5:47:10pm

re: #190 Gus

It arrived.

Try the new Twitter profile.

I ain’t clicking. Not yet.

217 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 22, 2014 5:49:26pm

re: #213 JustMark

I’m still a sucker for a pair of F-4s taking of with full afterburners at night from Ramstein AFB. Epic.

Best for me remains sitting on a Grafenwöhr training range on cease fire hold for lunch with a (then new) MRE in your lap watching the A-10’s pop up behind us, blast over head and rip the hard targets to shreds in a farrrrrrrrrrt of 30 mm destruction.

218 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 5:51:42pm

Here’s some unexpected good news.

A link to some background:

219 thedopefishlives  Apr 22, 2014 5:52:58pm

re: #217 William Barnett-Lewis

Best for me remains sitting on a Grafenwöhr training range on cease fire hold for lunch with a (then new) MRE in your lap watching the A-10’s pop up behind us, blast over head and rip the hard targets to shreds in a farrrrrrrrrrt of 30 mm destruction.

Got to watch a live-fire demo of the A-10 at an air show at Grissom AFB (now Grissom ARB) in the early 1990’s. That’s also where I saw the Air Force Thunderbirds in their shiny new F-16’s.

220 Charles Johnson  Apr 22, 2014 5:54:49pm

Attempted stalker registration… denied.

221 Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2014 5:55:43pm

re: #164 Gus

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #167 Gus

Thanks for the pics. I heard the residents of Oso talking about it on my NPR drive.

They were very very grateful. I think they feel quite alone in this tragedy.

222 Amory Blaine  Apr 22, 2014 5:57:25pm

Never a dull moment in Wisconsin.

Hulsey plans to send someone in a chicken costume to Burke events

Hulsey plans to send someone in a chicken costume to Burke events

One of state Rep. Brett Hulsey’s first missions in his longshot campaign for governor is putting the finishing touches on a chicken costume he is making.

The Madison Democrat got a chicken mask at a Goodwill store. Now he’s designing wings with long yellow feathers.

In a stop Tuesday in the Capitol press room, Hulsey told reporters he would challenge Democrat Mary Burke to debate him in each of Wisconsin’s 72 counties between now and the Aug. 12 primary. He said he expected she would not agree to the plan, at which point he will would launch Operation Chicken.

223 Killgore Trout  Apr 22, 2014 5:57:28pm

Tony Blair soon to cause great outrage
Tony Blair to say battle against Islamic extremism is paramount

In a speech to Bloomberg in London on Wednesday, the former Labour prime minister will say: “The important point for western opinion is that this is a struggle with two sides. So when we look at the Middle East and beyond it to Pakistan or Iran and elsewhere, it isn’t just a vast unfathomable mess with no end in sight and no one worthy of our support. It is in fact a struggle in which our own strategic interests are intimately involved; where there are indeed people we should support and who, ironically, are probably in the majority if only that majority were mobilised, organised and helped.

224 Dark_Falcon  Apr 22, 2014 5:59:19pm

re: #207 Gus

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A strange and flawed man, but still an excellent speaker and a capable chief executive. Nixon was ultimately brought down by his insecurities and his failure to restrain his (domestic) actions within the scope of his authority and the law.

225 Dark_Falcon  Apr 22, 2014 6:01:39pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Tony Blair soon to cause great outrage
Tony Blair to say battle against Islamic extremism is paramount

Daily Kos meme: Discredited Neo-Con Warmongering from Bush’s Poodle!!1

226 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 6:02:02pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

A strange and flawed man, but still an excellent speaker and a capable chief executive. Nixon was ultimately brought down by his insecurities and his failure to restrain his (domestic) actions within the scope of his authority and the law.

Yep. Unelectable as a Republican today. I know that’s probably redundant. I used to have Nixon stickers in my brief case during jr. high school.

227 Killgore Trout  Apr 22, 2014 6:02:14pm

Assad still gassing Syria
Boy dies as Syrian regime carries out ‘gas attack’ on rebels

Syria’s regime has widened its campaign of gas attacks with an assault on a rebel-held town that reportedly killed a child on Tuesday, as diplomats warned that Damascus may withhold part of its chemical weapons arsenal from the UN destruction programme.

A boy evacuated to a hospital near the Turkish border died in the clinic where several adults were also treated for the effects of contamination.

British officials said the repeated used of chemicals in bombs in recent days compounded fears that President Bashar al-Assad was withholding chemical weapons for use against the opposition.

Victims of the latest apparent chlorine bomb attack in Telminnes, Idlib province, were shown gasping for breath and displaying acute poisoning symptoms at opposition-run clinics in the town and at the Turkish border.

Footage of another boy showed the victim choking and shaking as doctors tried to remove the contamination. More footage uploaded to YouTube by several opposition groups showed men, women and children being treated in a field hospital.

228 gwangung  Apr 22, 2014 6:02:24pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

>Scientists explore possibilities of mind reading
usatoday.com

I knew I heard that somewhere !!!
/

Yup. real technology. Working with a scientist doing this kind of work to dramatize the possibilities and drawbacks in dramatic form.

229 Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2014 6:02:25pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

A strange and flawed man, but still an excellent speaker and a capable chief executive. Nixon was ultimately brought down by his insecurities and his failure to restrain his (domestic) actions within the scope of his authority and the law.

My aunt would kill me for that upding. This is the yellow dog democrat who has a “watergate” quilt. One she did while watching the congressional hearings.

I’ve requested her to give me in the will.

230 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 6:03:42pm

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

Daily Kos meme: Discredited Neo-Con Warmongering from Bush’s Poodle!!1

Hey. Cut the Labour party member a break. //

231 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 6:04:10pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

A strange and flawed man, but still an excellent speaker and a capable chief executive. Nixon was ultimately brought down by his insecurities and his failure to restrain his (domestic) actions within the scope of his authority and the law.

I always wondered, as close as that election was, if Nixon would have won in 1960 had his upper lip not been so sweaty during that televised debate with JFK

Image: nixon-sweatin.jpg

232 Amory Blaine  Apr 22, 2014 6:05:17pm

The Worst State in America for Black Children Has Been Declared

Black families pondering a move to the Midwest might want to read this, especially if they have young children. According to a national report, Wisconsin has been ranked the worst state in the country when it comes to racial disparities for children.

The Annie E. Casey Foundation, a 66-year-old charitable organization concentrating on family issues and well-being, spearheaded the study. “Race for Results: Building a Path to Opportunity for All Children” scored states according to 12 different factors, from educational access to socioeconomic status and home life.

Wisconsin scored a 238 on its ability to prepare black children for educational and financial success, the lowest of all states (the average score was 345). Interestingly, Wisconsin was ranked 10th overall in its preparation for white children.

233 Killgore Trout  Apr 22, 2014 6:05:59pm

The gas is working out pretty well for Assad
Syria: Rebel forces close to collapse in Homs

234 Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2014 6:07:45pm

re: #232 Amory Blaine

The Worst State in America for Black Children Has Been Declared

:(

But it’s not a problem says the majority of Supremes.

235 Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2014 6:08:19pm

Any news from Just Another?

I’m feeling her.

236 Gus  Apr 22, 2014 6:09:37pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

It arrived.

I ain’t clicking. Not yet.

You’ll get used to it.

237 thedopefishlives  Apr 22, 2014 6:09:39pm

re: #234 Stanley Sea

>:(

But it’s not a problem says the majority of Supremes.

I’m going to admit, I’m a bit torn on the whole issue. I’m not sure I can agree with racial quotas that say we need to admit people because they’re black. By the same token, I absolutely don’t agree with the idea that we should be rejecting anybody because they’re black.

238 wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2014 6:09:58pm

Later, lizards.

239 sattv4u2  Apr 22, 2014 6:12:34pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

The gas is working out pretty well for Assad
Syria: Rebel forces close to collapse in Homs

The fight for Homs underscores Mr Assad’s determination to rout rebels ahead of presidential elections now set for 3 June

Well,, maybe he’ll be voted out!!!! I’m sure the election will be open and fair !!

240 Dark_Falcon  Apr 22, 2014 6:12:59pm

re: #229 Stanley Sea

My aunt would kill me for that upding. This is the yellow dog democrat who has a “watergate” quilt. One she did while watching the congressional hearings.

I’ve requested her to give me in the will.

Nixon broke the law, and I noted that clearly. But he was competent as president. Noting competence does not mean goodness. Your aunt’s opinions and mine regarding Nixon would differ at that point, but to say he was competent shouldn’t be controversial. Heck, I admit that Bill Clinton was competent.

241 William Barnett-Lewis  Apr 22, 2014 6:14:25pm

So does Justice Thomas’ majority opinion today constitute a high tech lynching of the 4th Amendment?

242 Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2014 6:16:25pm

re: #241 William Barnett-Lewis

So does Justice Thomas’ majority opinion today constitute a high tech lynching of the 4th Amendment?

ding ding ding

243 Dark_Falcon  Apr 22, 2014 6:19:21pm

re: #237 thedopefishlives

I’m going to admit, I’m a bit torn on the whole issue. I’m not sure I can agree with racial quotas that say we need to admit people because they’re black. By the same token, I absolutely don’t agree with the idea that we should be rejecting anybody because they’re black.

The Supreme Court didn’t rule against the Civil Rights Act of 1964, nor will it in all probability do so. So refusing to admit someone because they are black is still illegal. Today’s ruling solely concerns affirmative action and says that a state’s voters my prohibit that practice if they wish.

244 Dark_Falcon  Apr 22, 2014 6:19:30pm

BBL

245 palomino  Apr 22, 2014 7:02:34pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

A strange and flawed man, but still an excellent speaker and a capable chief executive. Nixon was ultimately brought down by his insecurities and his failure to restrain his (domestic) actions within the scope of his authority and the law.

In less euphemistic terms, Nixon was a paranoid crook.

246 palomino  Apr 22, 2014 7:05:51pm

re: #231 sattv4u2

I always wondered, as close as that election was, if Nixon would have won in 1960 had his upper lip not been so sweaty during that televised debate with JFK

Image: nixon-sweatin.jpg

Maybe so. Polling back then wasn’t the most accurate (see “Dewey Defeats Truman” just 12 years before.) But those who heard that debate on radio supposedly thought Nixon did a better job. Whereas those who saw it on TV thought the opposite.

There’s also the chance that it wouldn’t have made any difference, since the ballot boxes in IL and TX were likely “massaged.”

247 Shiplord Kirel  Apr 22, 2014 10:49:30pm

re: #73 wrenchwench

Do I see a few rattles on the end of the tail?

re: #116 Mattand

Is that a rattler?

It is indeed a rattlesnake. Quite common around here. They help keep rats and trespassing hunters under control.


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