Photo of the Day: At the Right Wing Protest in Murrieta, a Confederate Flag

The symbol of slavery, racism and treason comes out in Murrieta

Remember this when people try to tell you the anti-immigrant protesters in Murrieta, California are patriots — because patriots don’t fly the flag of traitors.

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169 comments

1 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 10, 2014 12:19:34pm

Patriotic citizen of the CSA. Where’s Sherman when you need him?

2 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2014 12:19:56pm

Who let those got dammed sutherners into California!?!?!?

3 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 12:19:58pm

Well, to be fair, the people bitching the loudest are the ones who seem to think that their state borders are sacred lines that simply cannot be crossed without their permission, a belief they developed right around 1861…

4 jaunte  Jul 10, 2014 12:20:17pm

Fired up enough by the issue to bring a chair to slump in.

5 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2014 12:22:50pm

Don’t these people have jobs? /////////////////////////

6 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 10, 2014 12:23:28pm

So, why are they flying the flag of another state, exactly? //

7 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2014 12:23:30pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Don’t these people have jobs? /////////////////////////

Not since the plantation burned.

8 b.d.  Jul 10, 2014 12:24:12pm

THAT PERSON IS OBVIOUSLY A LIBTARD PLANT!

9 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 12:25:28pm

The irony of neo-Confederates flying the flag of a nation of traitors in a state that was taken through force of arms and bitching that foreigners are “invading.”

10 J A P  Jul 10, 2014 12:25:38pm

I’m starting to think we should have a “Union Day” to celebrate the victory of the Union over the secessionists.

11 Timothy Watson  Jul 10, 2014 12:25:54pm

The funny thing is how crazy the wingnuts get when someone flies a Mexican flag as part of their cultural heritage or identification…

12 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2014 12:26:39pm

re: #11 Timothy Watson

Particularly when much of the Southwest was part of Mexico at some point.

13 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2014 12:27:01pm

Murrieta WAS part of Mexico. It never was a part of the CSA.

14 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 10, 2014 12:28:20pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

Murrieta WAS part of Mexico. It never was a part of the CSA.

yeah, but don’t let facts get in the way of waving the flag of treason.

15 A Mom Anon  Jul 10, 2014 12:28:56pm

So how many of these gelatinous cretins are still there “protesting”? (aka frightening little traumatized brown children)

16 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2014 12:29:39pm

re: #15 A Mom Anon

So how many of these gelatinous cretins are still there “protesting”? (aka frightening little traumatized brown children)

More than are occupying DC for Operation American Spring.

17 Timothy Watson  Jul 10, 2014 12:29:47pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Particularly when much of the Southwest was part of Mexico at some point.

Hell, the whole of the Louisiana Purchase was also part of Spain for 40 years.

18 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2014 12:30:30pm

re: #17 Timothy Watson

Hell, the whole of the Louisiana Purchase was also part of Spain for 40 years.

Including half the Confederacy.

19 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 12:30:39pm

Of course they have a Confederate flag. They’re a bunch of racist who hate America. Why wouldn’t they have one?

20 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2014 12:30:41pm

re: #17 Timothy Watson

And then the French…

21 b.d.  Jul 10, 2014 12:30:47pm

re: #15 A Mom Anon

So how many of these gelatinous cretins are still there “protesting”? (aka frightening little traumatized brown children)

I’m sure whatever the count that they are outnumbered by reporters.

22 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 10, 2014 12:30:55pm

Let’s take this opportunity to Remember The Alamo as well.

23 lawhawk  Jul 10, 2014 12:31:22pm

re: #14 Rev_Arthur_Belling

Manifest derpness.

24 Timothy Watson  Jul 10, 2014 12:33:56pm

re: #18 Decatur Deb

Including half the Confederacy.

Don’t forget West Florida (southern Mississippi and Alabama and part of southeastern Louisiana) and East Florida (present day Florida).

(I’ve been reading What Hath God Wrought: the Transformation of America, 1815-1848 if anyone was wondering.)

25 Bulworth  Jul 10, 2014 12:34:19pm

re:
#4

Just saving their energy for when the kiddie invaders trespass on their valuable propertay.

26 Bulworth  Jul 10, 2014 12:35:54pm

Obviously some far-left Occupy protester brought that Rebel flag in to discredit are true patriot Americans although thare’s nothin wrong with Confed flag because heritage and States rahts.

27 b.d.  Jul 10, 2014 12:40:13pm

re: #4 jaunte

Fired up enough by the issue to bring a chair to slump in.

The south will rise again from that lawn chair when the bus comes.

28 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator  Jul 10, 2014 12:41:19pm

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the flag of the so-called “Novorossiya” looks like the confederate rag.

29 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Jul 10, 2014 12:43:18pm

re: #28 Islamo-Masonic Conspirator

Also, isn’t the original confederate battle flag square?

30 Bulworth  Jul 10, 2014 12:44:16pm

For the past month or so I’ve been reading We Are Not Afraid, a book about the murder of the 3 Civil Rights workers in Mississippi in 1964.

I’ve read other books on the Civil Rights movement and Reconstruction, but still this book is a pretty grim read. I find myself getting off the bus in the late afternoon while it’s still daylight, looking around nervously, spending a few minutes readjusting to the year 2014.

31 Charles Johnson  Jul 10, 2014 12:46:07pm
32 Charles Johnson  Jul 10, 2014 12:47:14pm
33 aagcobb  Jul 10, 2014 12:47:55pm

THU STARS N BARS IS THU FLAG OF FREEEEEDUUUMB!!!

34 piratedan  Jul 10, 2014 12:49:20pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

and ironically enough the slave overseer job market has been shipped overseas //////

35 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2014 12:50:04pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

Follow

The symbol of slavery, racism and treason comes out at the anti-immigrant protest in Murrieta

Gonna get a strongly-worded tweet from Derbyshire.

36 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 12:50:21pm

That guy on the left looks like he’s morphing into the StayPuft marshmallow man.
Must be the heat…

37 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 12:50:25pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

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Obviously just more proof of the grand and widespread cover-up!

38 Bulworth  Jul 10, 2014 12:53:12pm

re:
#31

I’m sure the Benghazi! super committee won’t let this deter them from Proofing the conspiracy./

39 Shiplord Kirel  Jul 10, 2014 12:53:18pm

The frequent appearance of Confederate symbols at right wing events is not simple crankery or individual ignorance, it reflects one of the driving forces of the present day political right: The Lost Cause of the Confederacy

I commented at the time:

As we have seen from many recent pronouncements on the extreme right, this 19th century revisionist movement remains vastly influential in some segments of American society. It is the source of the standard Confederate apologist line that the Civil War was “not really about slavery.”
The standard Lost Cause view was taught as dogma in the Texas public schools as recently as when I was a child in the 1950s.

Bizarre as it seems, this idea seems not only to survive but to grow in influence in the twenty-first century.

The connection between another pillar of the right, Christian fundamentalism, and the Lost Cause is more direct than many realize:
Book Review - Baptized in Blood: The Religion of the Lost Cause, 1865-1920

My comments:

Few people outside that particular subculture understand the extent to which a 19th century revisionist movement underlies much of the controversy and turmoil we are seeing in today’s far right. From RS McCain and the Dominionists to a large swath of the fundamentalist movement and luddite antiscience, the shadow of the Confederacy is never very far away.

40 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 12:54:24pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

That guy on the left looks like he’s morphing into the StayPuft marshmallow man.
Must be the heat…

The sweat marks on his shirt couldn’t be placed more perfectly.

41 Charles Johnson  Jul 10, 2014 12:57:37pm
42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 12:59:12pm
43 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 12:59:39pm

Well, I’m now fully officially certified with the security scanner we’re already phasing out in 2 months, but it counts as 32 hours of annual and professional training, so huzzah.

44 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 10, 2014 12:59:51pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Don’t these people have jobs? /////////////////////////

Had to correct you. Sorry.

45 BlueSpotinAL  Jul 10, 2014 1:00:42pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Not since the plantation burned.

and Lincoln outlawed the jobs they created on that plantation. //

46 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 1:01:12pm
47 aagcobb  Jul 10, 2014 1:02:11pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We are in the end game now. Assuming gay rights Kennedy doesn’t lose to states rights Kennedy in a wrestling match for control of his brain, same-sex marriage could be legalized throughout the nation by next Summer.

48 aagcobb  Jul 10, 2014 1:03:17pm

re: #45 BlueSpotinAL

and Lincoln outlawed the jobs they created on that plantation. //

The ultimate minimum wage, zero.

49 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 1:03:21pm
50 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2014 1:04:53pm

re: #48 aagcobb

The ultimate minimum wage, zero.

Cradle-to-grave healthcare.

51 aagcobb  Jul 10, 2014 1:06:26pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

Cradle-to-grave healthcare.

As in, you can go from the cradle straight to the grave without any healthcare.

52 Charles Johnson  Jul 10, 2014 1:06:58pm
53 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Jul 10, 2014 1:08:21pm

re: #49 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Looks like it will be approx. 0% above the horizon from where I live (just south of Lowell MA).

54 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 1:08:48pm
55 sagehen  Jul 10, 2014 1:09:07pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

The irony of neo-Confederates flying the flag of a nation of traitors in a state that was taken through force of arms and bitching that foreigners are “invading.”

OOH!! Cali history, let me tell you….

The United States, officially and on the record, did not conquer it.

Senator Thomas Benton of Missouri (uncle of the painter Thomas Hart Benton), who chaired the 1840’s/1850’s equivalent of the Foreign Relations Committee, sent his son-in-law John C Fremont (one of Kit Carson’s scouts) to act as the 1840’s equivalent of the CIA and foment a rebellion by the English-speaking 49er’s against the Mexican government. The California Republic didn’t last long, they relatively quickly petitioned the United States to join as a State, but the outside agitator organizers did tap into a well of authentic local sentiment and it was a legitimate independence movement. (that then got co-opted by the well-organized outside agitators who wanted to join the U.S.).

Fremont was California’s military governor, then an elected governor, he owned several lovely ranches (not at the same time) one was eminent domain’d to become the Presidio, another was eminent domain’d to become some other federal thingie… Fremont was then the first Republican nominee for President (1856). He died broke and bitter.

The city of Fremont CA, lots of roads in northern cali towns, lots of high schools and junior highs, etc are named after him. His wife’s name was Jesse… a family name (Jesse Benton was some kind of Revolutionary War something something.)

56 b.d.  Jul 10, 2014 1:09:14pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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But I did think that is was funny that Glenn retweeted this:

IT’S A TRAP!!!!

57 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 10, 2014 1:09:40pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kumbaya Outrage in 3…2…1…

RBS

58 Charles Johnson  Jul 10, 2014 1:11:41pm

re: #56 b.d.

That’s what Bob was talking about, actually.

How to get retweeted by Glenn Greenwald:

“Glenn Greenwald is the most wonderful, honest and kind person who ever lived and anyone who criticizes him is a monster.”

59 Dr Lizardo  Jul 10, 2014 1:13:02pm

re: #54 Kragar

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Wingnuts and fundies are obsessed with this sort of thing. It speaks volumes about what’s on their minds.

60 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 10, 2014 1:15:38pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

That’s what Bob was talking about, actually.

How to get retweeted by Glenn Greenwald:

“Glenn Greenwald is the most wonderful, honest and kind person who ever lived and anyone who criticizes him is a monster.”

Youtube Video

61 calochortus  Jul 10, 2014 1:17:09pm

re: #54 Kragar

Apparently in men only?

62 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 1:17:14pm

re: #60 RealityBasedSteve

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Video

I knew what is was before I clicked it

63 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 10, 2014 1:18:43pm

re: #62 Kragar

I knew what is was before I clicked it

You and I may well be twin sons of different mothers.

RBS

64 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 1:19:52pm

re: #63 RealityBasedSteve

You and I may well be twin sons of different mothers.

RBS

Like being poets but not realizing it

65 Timothy Watson  Jul 10, 2014 1:21:28pm

re: #54 Kragar

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WTFITS

66 BlueSpotinAL  Jul 10, 2014 1:22:46pm

The last sentence is the Onion’s usual pitch perfect satire:

theonion.com

67 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 1:23:16pm

re: #61 calochortus

Apparently in men only?

Menzymes!

68 alpuz  Jul 10, 2014 1:24:16pm

re: #27 b.d.

The south will rise again from that lawn chair when the bus comes.

It will be an Americans for Prosperity bus, fully painted with the giant mug of Sarah Palin with the confederate flag as a backdrop. There may be a reference to Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid, or Obama doodled somewhere.

They will toss out CSA flag lawn chairs and beer koozies to the disgruntled, ornery sore footed masses. Lookout, it’s gonna be epic.

69 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 1:25:09pm
70 alpuz  Jul 10, 2014 1:26:31pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Welp. After the Bert Favre debacle, and hawking jacked up youth baseball bats what’s a guy to do?

71 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 10, 2014 1:27:23pm

re: #68 alpuz

It will be an Americans for Prosperity bus, fully painted with the giant mug of Sarah Palin with the confederate flag as a backdrop. There may be a reference to Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid, or Obama doodled somewhere.

They will toss out CSA flag lawn chairs and beer koozies to the disgruntled, ornery sore footed masses. Lookout, it’s gonna be epic.

And then they will get on their Medicare funded mobility scooters, go off to cash their Social Security Checks, then off to the protest against the Takers and Big Govt Spending

RBS

RBS

72 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2014 1:28:06pm

re: #68 alpuz

It will be an Americans for Prosperity bus, fully painted with the giant mug of Sarah Palin with the confederate flag as a backdrop. There may be a reference to Nancy Pelosi/Harry Reid, or Obama doodled somewhere.

They will toss out CSA flag lawn chairs and beer koozies to the disgruntled, ornery sore footed masses. Lookout, it’s gonna be epic.

Maybe Pamella can get it to carry her posters.

73 Eventual Carrion  Jul 10, 2014 1:31:45pm

re: #61 calochortus

Apparently in men only?

It’s a guy thing.

Women can block pregnancies, men can transform sperm into a deadly disease. All the same thing.

//

And I would have to note this notion of his is, in science terms, a hypothesis not a theory. A derpy hypothesis, but it can be scientifically tested. Wonder if he can point to any scientific research into this “theory”, or some peer review. Nope, looks like he got it from some jackoff spouting BS.

74 alpuz  Jul 10, 2014 1:31:55pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

Add a giant Rand Paul bobblehead to the roof and it’s all over. The south has risen.

75 Decatur Deb  Jul 10, 2014 1:32:40pm

re: #74 alpuz

Add a giant Rand Paul bobblehead to the roof and it’s all over. The south has risen.

Must be busnutz.

76 Eventual Carrion  Jul 10, 2014 1:34:22pm

re: #69 Kragar

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That movie has to be seen on a big screen. TV size doesn’t do it justice.

77 darthstar  Jul 10, 2014 1:38:43pm
78 CuriousLurker  Jul 10, 2014 1:41:31pm

I’m just gonna leave this here and tip-toe back out…

79 darthstar  Jul 10, 2014 1:41:53pm

re: #56 b.d.

But I did think that is was funny that Glenn retweeted this:

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IT’S A TRAP!!!!

He always tips his fluffers.

80 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2014 1:45:05pm
81 Skip Intro  Jul 10, 2014 1:46:56pm

re: #71 RealityBasedSteve

And then they will get on their Medicare funded mobility scooters, go off to cash their Social Security Checks, then off to the protest against the Takers and Big Govt Spending

RBS

RBS

Nah, they don’t have to cash them. The evil government thoughtfully deposits them right into their bank accounts automatically.

82 RealityBasedSteve  Jul 10, 2014 1:48:19pm

re: #81 Skip Intro

Nah, they don’t have to cash them. The evil government thoughtfully deposits them right into their bank accounts automatically.

I knew that…. really… I did. LOOK!!!! SQUIRREL

RBS

83 alpuz  Jul 10, 2014 1:48:24pm

re: #81 Skip Intro

Tyranny.

84 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 10, 2014 1:49:53pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

That’s what Bob was talking about, actually.

How to get retweeted by Glenn Greenwald:

“Glenn Greenwald is the most wonderful, honest and kind person who ever lived and anyone who criticizes him is a monster.”

HOW MANY JOURNALISM AWARDS HAVE U WON, U SLOBBERING OBAMABOT!!!!!

85 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 10, 2014 1:50:18pm
86 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 1:51:54pm

re: #84 Pie-onist Overlord

HOW MANY JOURNALISM AWARDS HAVE U WON, U SLOBBERING OBAMABOT!!!!!

87 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 1:52:51pm
88 Bulworth  Jul 10, 2014 1:53:56pm

re:
#87

Not enough lawn chairs.

89 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 10, 2014 1:54:50pm

“I just feel like kicking some Dixie butt.”

90 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2014 1:57:40pm

re: #87 Kragar

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That’s the best thing I’ve read all week.

91 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 1:58:18pm

re: #89 Pie-onist Overlord

“I just feel like kicking some Dixie butt.”
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Youtube Video

92 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 1:59:17pm

“Grant stood by me when I was crazy, and I stood by him when he was drunk, and now we stand by each other.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

93 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 10, 2014 2:00:03pm

WTFITS

94 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 10, 2014 2:01:20pm

re: #92 Kragar

“Grant stood by me when I was crazy, and I stood by him when he was drunk, and now we stand by each other.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman

“Find out Grant’s favorite brand of whisky, and send a case of it to all my other generals.”—Abraham Lincoln (May be a fake quote)

95 blueraven  Jul 10, 2014 2:04:24pm

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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It’s another stunt from the tea bagger congressman.

96 Ace-o-aces  Jul 10, 2014 2:05:16pm

re: #54 Kragar

Because heterosexuals never have anal sex….

97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 2:06:37pm

re: #54 Kragar

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Killer sperm!
SPERMNADO!!!

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 2:08:08pm
99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 2:09:06pm
100 AntonSirius  Jul 10, 2014 2:09:15pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Jul 10, 2014 2:09:54pm

re: #27 b.d.

The south will rise again from that lawn chair when the bus comes.

For those who need the added nuance the “south” in this regard is white, reactionary, and needs to be tested for rabies.

102 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 2:10:54pm
103 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2014 2:13:19pm

This goes back (originally) to 1985, was posted here in 2009, and I never heard of it. Yet it might be related to my lack of movie-watching in life.

The Bechdel Test for Women and Movies Transcript [Video at the link, emphasis added.]

The Bechdel Test or the Mo Movie Measure is a type of litmus test to assess the presence of women in movies. It originated from Allison Bechdel’s comic “Dykes to Watch Out For” in 1985. Here’s how it works, a movie just has to pass these three simple questions: the first, are there two or more women in it who have names, the second, do they talk to each other, and the third, do they talk to each other about something other then a man.

It’s quite extraordinary actually how many movies don’t pass this test cause it’s not even a sign of whether its a feminist movie or whether its a good movie just that there is female presence in it and that they actually are engaging about things other then men.

To prove that this is actually a systemic problem and not just a few movies here and there, I can show you a couple films that don’t pass the test.

The Dark Knight
District 9
Slumdog Millionaire
Terminator Salvation
GI Joe
Shrek
Watchmen
Bourne Supremacy
Bourne Identity
Transformers
Bruno
Hackers
Ghostbusters
The Big Lebowski
Wall-E
Wanted
Ocean’s Twelve
Clerks
Pirates of the Caribbean 1, 2 and 3
Austin Powers 1, 2 and 3
Men in Black
Fight Club
The Fifth Element
The Princess Bride
Hellboy 2
Milk
The Wedding Singer
Shawshank Redemption
Reservoir Dogs
Point Break
Quantum of Solace 007
Indiana Jones
Alien 3
Lord of the Rings 1, 2 and 3
Ferris Bueller’s Day Off
The Truman Show
From Dusk till Dawn
Trainspotting
Mission Impossible
Braveheart
Toy Story
Gladiator
X Men
Wolverine
When Harry Met Sally
Back to the Future 1, 2 and 3
Tomb Raider
Pulp Fiction
Interview with the Vampire
Seven
Home Alone
Up

Okay you get the point, this is only just a few films out of the many films that don’t pass this test. When I call it a systemic problem what I mean by this is that it’s not just a few people here and there that don’t like women, or don’t want women’s stories told, but rather the entire industry is built upon creating films and movies that cater to and are about men.

Next time you go to the movies just ask yourself these few questions. Are there two or more women in it and do they have names? Do they talk to each other? And do they talk to each other about something other then a man?

At a very young age I got totally sick of seemingly every cartoon and story having a helpless female rescued by a man.

104 AntonSirius  Jul 10, 2014 2:13:33pm

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

105 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 10, 2014 2:14:12pm

re: #103 wrenchwench

This goes back (originally) to 1985, was posted here in 2009, and I never heard of it. Yet it might be related to my lack of movie-watching in life.

At a very young age I got totally sick of seemingly every cartoon and story having a helpless female rescued by a man.

“Frozen” passes the test.

106 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2014 2:15:17pm

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

“Frozen” passes the test.

I may have to rent that. I hear it’s the first from Disney in which the female rescues herself.

107 Kid A  Jul 10, 2014 2:16:55pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

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For who? American Stinker, Weekly Dandruff and WingNut Daily?

108 Bulworth  Jul 10, 2014 2:20:43pm

re:
#93

We just filed a resolution directing the Sergeant-At-Arms to arrest Lois Lerner for contempt. Statement coming in minutes.
#IRSscandal
— Rep. Steve Stockman

We’re waiting with baited breath.

109 iossarian  Jul 10, 2014 2:22:40pm

re: #93 Pie-onist Overlord

WTFITS

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He knows a thing or two about subpoenas:

sunlightfoundation.com

110 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2014 2:24:17pm

Weigel links to the whole letter:

111 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 10, 2014 2:25:04pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

I may have to rent that. I hear it’s the first from Disney in which the female rescues herself.

The script suffered from poor pacing and too much focus on the silly younger sister instead of the kickass queen with the superpowers.

112 GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 10, 2014 2:25:19pm

re: #88 Bulworth

re:
#87

Not enough lawn chairs.

That are made in China.

113 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 2:25:34pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And again I’m thankful I don’t live down at the Oceanfront.

114 iossarian  Jul 10, 2014 2:26:04pm

re: #111 Pie-onist Overlord

The script suffered from poor pacing and too much focus on the silly younger sister instead of the kickass queen with the superpowers.

You’re a harsh critic but I can see where you’re coming from.

My daughter has watched it a bazillion times and cares not a whit about the script pacing.

115 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 2:26:28pm

re: #111 Pie-onist Overlord

The script suffered from poor pacing and too much focus on the silly younger sister instead of the kickass queen with the superpowers.

As I understand it, it was only part way through production that they actually decided they wanted to make the older sister a sympathetic character rather than an irredeemable villain.

116 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2014 2:26:53pm

re: #111 Pie-onist Overlord

The script suffered from poor pacing and too much focus on the silly younger sister instead of the kickass queen with the superpowers.

Since I have no kids, I won’t have to watch it more than once.

117 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 2:27:35pm

Ya know, I thought auto-correct would help me. Instead, it’s just made me realize that I liked things better when I had to actually slow down and read my posts.

118 Justanotherhuman  Jul 10, 2014 2:31:03pm

re: #103 wrenchwench

This goes back (originally) to 1985, was posted here in 2009, and I never heard of it. Yet it might be related to my lack of movie-watching in life.

At a very young age I got totally sick of seemingly every cartoon and story having a helpless female rescued by a man.

It’s probably why I have only seen about 10% of those movies, and wished I hadn’t seen most of those.

119 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 2:31:07pm

*nudges thread with a stick*

120 iossarian  Jul 10, 2014 2:31:59pm

Some highlights from the investigation of Steve Stockman’s campaign finance shenanigans:

On October 16, 2013, six days after the Sunlight Foundation report, Representative Stockman’s campaign committee amended its first-quarter 2013 FEC report to disclose that the contributions initially attributed to Jane Dodd and Donnie Posey had actually been made by Thomas Dodd and Jason Posey, respectively. The date of receipt of the contributions remained February 21, 2013.

The Board notes several factors that raise questions about Representative Stockman’s version of events in this matter. First, when asked by the Sunlight Foundation, Mr. Dodd initially denied making the contributions to Representative Stockman’s campaign.

Given this information, as well as the lack of cooperation by key individuals with the OCE review, the Board finds Representative Stockman’s account of the circumstances surrounding the contributions made by Mr. Posey and Mr. Dodd less than credible.

121 Pie-onist Overlord  Jul 10, 2014 2:35:22pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

As I understand it, it was only part way through production that they actually decided they wanted to make the older sister a sympathetic character rather than an irredeemable villain.

Disney used to write scripts that were enjoyable on multiple levels (“Aladdin”) because parents watch the movie with their kids, and watch it over and over and over and over.

My granddaughters LOVE LOVE LOVE “Frozen” but I felt there was so much more they could have done with the story and the songs.

122 iossarian  Jul 10, 2014 2:35:30pm

Steve Stockman is a shifty-eyed crook but I’m sure he’ll get plaudits for his relentless pursuit of truth and honesty in other people.

123 Gus  Jul 10, 2014 2:36:06pm
124 AntonSirius  Jul 10, 2014 2:37:32pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

Be nice if the AP corrected that misleading headline.

I won’t hold my breath though.

125 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 2:37:41pm

re: #123 Gus

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UAW gets the last laugh after all.

126 Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 10, 2014 2:38:37pm
127 Gus  Jul 10, 2014 2:38:59pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

UAW gets the last laugh after all.

Sort of passing under the radar now too compared to the news it made last year.

128 gwangung  Jul 10, 2014 2:41:11pm

re: #111 Pie-onist Overlord

The script suffered from poor pacing and too much focus on the silly younger sister instead of the kickass queen with the superpowers.

I’m not so sure about that.

Who makes the biggest choice here? And why? Once you identify that, the story follows.

129 De Kolta Chair  Jul 10, 2014 2:41:33pm

The Beatles’ song A Hard Day’s Night was released 50 years ago today, when I was six. Oddly — maybe because it never sounds dated — hearing that it’s 50 doesn’t make me feel any older.

130 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 2:41:50pm

re: #127 Gus

Sort of passing under the radar now too compared to the news it made last year.

Oh, no doubt there will be those who declare that the change in hearts since the previous vote was due to “union thugs.”

131 Gus  Jul 10, 2014 2:43:08pm
132 AntonSirius  Jul 10, 2014 2:45:06pm

re: #131 Gus

Please proceed, Mr Speaker

133 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 2:46:23pm

re: #131 Gus

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Let me get this straight, the GOP wants the courts to order the White House to implement a mandate they’ve predicted will lead to widespread economic doom and has been the crux of many efforts to repeal the entire law?

134 Archangelus  Jul 10, 2014 2:46:26pm

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

Terminator Salvation doesn’t and shouldn’t pass ANY test… Sorry, someone had to say it…

135 Gus  Jul 10, 2014 2:47:47pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

Let me get this straight, the GOP wants the courts to order the White House to implement a mandate they’ve predicted will lead to widespread economic doom and has been the crux of many efforts to repeal the entire law?

That’s what it sound like now. It’ll probably change. Confusing for now.

136 J A P  Jul 10, 2014 2:49:33pm

re: #103 wrenchwench

When I started hitting adolescence I began to wonder about myself because I found in my fantasy life I was identifying with the heroes more than the heroines. I had some really weird fantasy versions in my mind where the hero would fail to save the girl, I’d step in and save her and they’d both fall madly in love with me. Weird, huh?

137 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 2:52:43pm

So the Speaker intends to take the White House to court over a mandate that he says on any other day is so bad it means the entire law should be axed, while other members of the House prepare to step all over the DoJ’s toes just to put Lerner behind bars.

Remind me again, who is it that has no respect for the rule of law?

138 AntonSirius  Jul 10, 2014 2:53:09pm

re: #134 Archangelus

Terminator Salvation doesn’t and shouldn’t pass ANY test… Sorry, someone had to say it…

OK, this is not a popular opinion, but Salvation was waaaaay better than Rise of the Machines.

139 Kragar  Jul 10, 2014 2:53:20pm
140 Gus  Jul 10, 2014 2:53:39pm

re: #137 Targetpractice

So the Speaker intends to take the White House to court over a mandate that he says on any other day is so bad it means the entire law should be axed, while other members of the House prepare to step all over the DoJ’s toes just to put Lerner behind bars.

Remind me again, who is it that has no respect for the rule of law?

You can read the recent TL here: @michael_steel

141 Justanotherhuman  Jul 10, 2014 2:54:02pm

re: #139 Kragar

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Buy some more. : )

142 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2014 2:54:09pm

re: #136 J A P

When I started hitting adolescence I began to wonder about myself because I found in my fantasy life I was identifying with the heroes more than the heroines. I had some really weird fantasy versions in my mind where the hero would fail to save the girl, I’d step in and save her and they’d both fall madly in love with me. Weird, huh?

Sounds like a healthy way to cope to me.

143 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 2:54:26pm

re: #138 AntonSirius

OK, this is not a popular opinion, but Salvation was waaaaay better than Rise of the Machines.

Amen.

144 Amory Blaine  Jul 10, 2014 2:54:36pm

That’s like, your opinion man!
/

145 Stanley Sea  Jul 10, 2014 2:55:09pm

re: #139 Kragar

It is hot.

146 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 2:56:34pm

re: #140 Gus

You can read the recent TL here: @michael_steel

Owowowow, I could feel neurons dying.

147 Gus  Jul 10, 2014 2:57:15pm

Welp. Looks like… really.

WASHINGTON, DC - House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) issued the following statement announcing that the House would initiate legal action over President Obama’s unilateral actions on the health care law’s employer mandate in 2013:

“Today we’re releasing a draft resolution that will authorize the House to file suit over the way President Obama unilaterally changed the employer mandate. In 2013, the president changed the health care law without a vote of Congress, effectively creating his own law by literally waiving the employer mandate and the penalties for failing to comply with it. That’s not the way our system of government was designed to work. No president should have the power to make laws on his or her own.

“As I’ve said, this isn’t about Republicans versus Democrats; it’s about the Legislative Branch versus the Executive Branch, and above all protecting the Constitution. The Constitution states that the president must faithfully execute the laws, and spells out that only the Legislative Branch has the power to legislate. The current president believes he has the power to make his own laws - at times even boasting about it. He has said that if Congress won’t make the laws he wants, he’ll go ahead and make them himself, and in the case of the employer mandate in his health care law, that’s exactly what he did. If this president can get away with making his own laws, future presidents will have the ability to as well. The House has an obligation to stand up for the Legislative Branch, and the Constitution, and that is exactly what we will do.”

NOTE: The president’s unilateral actions on the health care law’s employer mandate will be the focus of the litigation brought by the House (the text of the resolution can be found here.)

- See more at: speaker.gov

148 Amory Blaine  Jul 10, 2014 2:57:17pm

I hate pants. They dig into my gut when I sit down, then when I get up they’re stretched out so they fall
down.

149 Justanotherhuman  Jul 10, 2014 2:59:08pm

They really are desperate to get here. And I don’t blame them whatsoever.

No injuries reported after cargo train derails in southern Mexico with approximately 1,300 Central American migrants in freight cars, authorities say - @AP
Read more on bigstory.ap.org

150 AntonSirius  Jul 10, 2014 2:59:34pm

re: #146 Targetpractice

Owowowow, I could feel neurons dying.

I did like Steel’s tacit admission that they did indeed decide to sue first, then looked for grounds for the suit afterwards:

151 Amory Blaine  Jul 10, 2014 2:59:58pm

Uber clown car has been summoned!

152 Bubblehead II  Jul 10, 2014 3:00:22pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

Let me get this straight, the GOP wants the courts to order the White House to implement a mandate they’ve predicted will lead to widespread economic doom and has been the crux of many efforts to repeal the entire law?

Why not. Stop and think about. In his speech today PBO pointed out that the economy was recovering, though slower than it should be and we are in better shape than we have been for years.

What better way to sour that recovery than forcing the administration to implement the mandate and possibly causing the economy to tank right at midterm?

We are talking republicans here. You know the ones that didn’t have a problem with letting the U.S. default on its’ debt or forcing a shut down. You know those republicans.

On the other hand, I may be giving them more credit than they deserve.

153 Gus  Jul 10, 2014 3:00:43pm
154 AntonSirius  Jul 10, 2014 3:03:20pm

re: #152 Bubblehead II

What better way to sour that recovery than forcing the administration to implement the mandate and possibly causing the economy to tank right at midterm?

Except there’s no chance the suit will even get to court before the midterms, much less that Boehner will get a ruling in his favor that needs to be acted upon after appeals etc

155 Amory Blaine  Jul 10, 2014 3:03:59pm

No pink mustache, but a bright red rubber nose.

156 Targetpractice  Jul 10, 2014 3:04:38pm

re: #147 Gus

Welp. Looks like… really.

Perhaps the President should come tomorrow and say “If Republicans want this mandate that they hate so badly to be implemented, then I’ll go ahead and do it. I was trying to spare the economy until such time as a better plan could be negotiated and passed by Congress, but if they’re ready to sue me over its delay, then I guess I have no choice. I will issue an executive order to immediately end all employer mandate waivers and order the issuing of fines for any employers not in compliance by month’s end.”

157 Bubblehead II  Jul 10, 2014 3:05:18pm

re: #154 AntonSirius

Except there’s no chance the suit will even get to court before the midterms, much less that Boehner will get a ruling in his favor that needs to be acted upon after appeals etc

Ok, then let’s keep the same scenario and aim for the 2016 Presidential election then.

Again, I may be giving them to much credit.

158 Justanotherhuman  Jul 10, 2014 3:06:01pm

re: #147 Gus

Welp. Looks like… really.

What a pile of pearl clutching by the Rs.

Delaying Parts of Obamacare: ‘Blatantly Illegal’ or Routine Adjustment?

The GOP says Obama’s decision to postpone implementing the “employer mandate” stomps all over the Constitution. It doesn’t, and here’s why.

theatlantic.com

“The Administration has not postponed the employer mandate out of policy opposition to the ACA, nor to the specific provision itself. Thus, it’s misleading to characterize the action as a “refusal to enforce.” Rather, the President has authorized a minor temporary course correction regarding individual ACA provisions, necessary in his Administration’s judgment to faithfully execute the overall statute, other related laws, and the purposes of the ACA’s framers. As a legal as well as a practical matter, that’s well within his job description. “

159 wrenchwench  Jul 10, 2014 3:06:03pm
160 J A P  Jul 10, 2014 3:06:43pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

Well, this was my naive period when I thought I could make boys fall in love with me by getting better grades than they did in school.

161 ObserverArt  Jul 10, 2014 3:06:50pm

Murrieta…we have an alien problem!

Illegal Aliens invade Murrieta California

162 blueraven  Jul 10, 2014 3:15:16pm

re: #148 Amory Blaine

I hate pants. They dig into my gut when I sit down, then when I get up they’re stretched out so they fall
down.

Wear loose, sleeveless shift style dresses. No waist. They are the best for summer.

Men should be allowed.

163 Stanley Sea  Jul 10, 2014 3:16:25pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

Let me get this straight, the GOP wants the courts to order the White House to implement a mandate they’ve predicted will lead to widespread economic doom and has been the crux of many efforts to repeal the entire law?

If I declared Apple Pie American, the GOP would probably try to block it

Paraphrased

164 Archangelus  Jul 10, 2014 3:17:46pm

re: #161 ObserverArt

Murrieta…we have an alien problem!

Illegal Aliens invade Murrieta California

Is it so wrong that I want the aliens to take those protesters as far away as possible, or at least est them in hopes of finding a cure for Acute Wingnutitis? /

165 Archangelus  Jul 10, 2014 3:19:24pm

...

166 Joanne  Jul 10, 2014 3:20:48pm

re: #103 wrenchwench

This goes back (originally) to 1985, was posted here in 2009, and I never heard of it. Yet it might be related to my lack of movie-watching in life.

At a very young age I got totally sick of seemingly every cartoon and story having a helpless female rescued by a man.

In the Bourne books, Marie is a PhD who is smarter than Bourne and saves his bacon as much as he saves hers. Very different from the movies. The films were disappointing his they portrayed Marie.

167 EPR-radar  Jul 10, 2014 4:26:43pm

re: #164 Archangelus

Is it so wrong that I want the aliens to take those protesters as far away as possible, or at least est them in hopes of finding a cure for Acute Wingnutitis? /

I’m less charitable. My hope would be for these space aliens to have the extra-large rectal probes.

168 Egregious Philbin  Jul 10, 2014 4:33:55pm

Hillbillies. They didn’t have to earn citizenship, they were just born here, and probably couldn’t pass a citizenship test.

169 Swift2991  Jul 10, 2014 8:17:42pm

See, that’s no surprise, is it? Of course! They’re trying to introduce the Confederate immigration policy: find a way to smuggle in some more slaves. Keep ‘em illegal so we don’t owe them anything.


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