Wednesday Night Acoustic Jam: Jon Gomm, Dance of the Last Rhino

Deep rhino groove
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10% of all proceeds go to Save The Rhino http://www.savetherhino.org/

Dedicated to the irresistible groove of Thomas Leeb.

I originally wrote this tune specially for playing in South Africa. South Africans are the human race’s custodians of some of the most magnificent, yet vulnerable treasures of the natural world. They didn’t ask for this responsibility, but they bear it with strength and patience. It’s almost unbelievable that in 2014 the Rhino is in danger of be hunted to extinction, so people around the world can buy rhino horn to “cure” their baldness or impotence.

Just because a wizened old sage is prescribing grated rhino horn (at $5000 a gram) that doesn’t mean it works. In fact, it’s made of keratin, and so you could get exactly the same medical benefits for free, just by eating your own hair.

But Dance Of The Last Rhino isn’t a sad, mournful piece. It’s a wardance. The rhino is a noble, warrior-like animal, and they won’t go out without a fight. It starts with the Rhino scraping it’s massive hooves in the dirt, preparing to charge.

GUITAR GEEKERY:

Tuning: A G C E A C (or B A D F# B D, down a tone)

Gear:
Played on Wilma (Lowden O12c guitar)
Strings: Newtone Jon Gomm signature, 14-68
Pickups: Fishman Rare Earth Blend system + Carlos Juan SLY
Amp: Trace Acoustic TA200
Pedals: Boss OC-3 Super Octave, Boss RV-5, Boss DD-7

Video directed and edited by Owen Plummer
Audio engineered by Jon Gomm, Produced by Whiskas, and Mastered by Tom Woodhead.

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396 comments
1 dog philosopher  Nov 5, 2014 5:46:30pm

A G C E A C

A minor 7, with the third ringing out on the top

2 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 5, 2014 5:51:03pm

All I know is this made my day.

3 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 5:57:42pm

I need more ideas, guys:

4 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2014 5:58:08pm

So, having now gained complete control of one branch of Government, the GOP Caucuses (Cocci?) are being advised not to do anything constructive till 2016, in hopes of winning the White House.

The next time a Conservative tells you he loves America, laugh in his face.

5 Blind Frog Belly White  Nov 5, 2014 5:58:45pm

re: #3 klystron

I need more ideas, guys:

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“Stop Lion Around!”

6 thedopefishlives  Nov 5, 2014 5:58:51pm

re: #4 Blind Frog Ebola White

So, having now gained complete control of one branch of Government, the GOP Caucuses (Cocci?) are being advised not to do anything constructive till 2016, in hopes of winning the White House.

The next time a Conservative tells you he loves America, laugh in his face.

Because God forbid they do something that exposes who they are, thus ruining their chances for reelection.

7 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 5:59:50pm

re: #5 Blind Frog Ebola White

“Stop Lion Around!”

I feel compelled to point out that that’s a pun, not a LOLCAT.

But it is taken under advisement.

Edited to add: and I totally expect the puns from you too.

8 OhNoZombies!  Nov 5, 2014 6:00:36pm

re: #3 klystron

I need more ideas, guys:

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I’mma just try to sleep through the next two years.

9 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 5, 2014 6:01:59pm

im listening. you should too!

10 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 5, 2014 6:03:24pm

re: #9 Resident of The United States of Jesus

I’m on right now. Important. Very Important.

12 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 5, 2014 6:06:59pm

#3 klystron

Heart Of A Lion Heals All Wounds.

;-)

13 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 5, 2014 6:08:57pm
14 dog philosopher  Nov 5, 2014 6:09:40pm

President Vows To Suck Rush Limbaugh’s Dick

okay im getting a little tired of the headlines about now…

15 thedopefishlives  Nov 5, 2014 6:10:00pm

re: #3 klystron

I need more ideas, guys:

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Dis lion sleeps during teh day.

16 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 6:11:48pm

re: #3 klystron

I need more ideas, guys:

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I was a bit goofy downstairs, so how about this:

“Surrounding you with healing and restful light.”

17 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 6:12:25pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was a bit goofy downstairs, so how about this:

“Surrounding you with healing and restful light.”

No, no, goofy is good! I am just …unsettled on anything yet.

18 thedopefishlives  Nov 5, 2014 6:12:58pm

re: #17 klystron

No, no, goofy is good! I am just …unsettled on anything yet.

You could add on to the end of mine, “You should too.”

19 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 6:21:13pm

re: #17 klystron

No, no, goofy is good! I am just …unsettled on anything yet.

I blame my earlier goofiness on my boobs being subjected to their annual smashing today.

Guys, if you are creeped out about getting that icky prostate exam, just imagine if you had the same thing done to your family jewels as is done with our female fountains of joy.

Get over the creeped-outness and get yourselves checked. Your prostate cancer is generally very curable if caught early.

We love you all and want you with us for a long, long time.

(hoping I wrote that important message with the fun intent I had in mind.)

20 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 6:22:16pm

re: #19 Backwoods_Sleuth

When my time comes, I too will go for the boob-smashing.

Fortunately a ways off yet.

21 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 5, 2014 6:23:09pm

#FergusonFireside:

Panel openly admits that they fear for their lives in response after expected non-indictment. Rumors of Hotels being booked by National Guard in St. Louis.

22 ObserverArt  Nov 5, 2014 6:24:11pm

Good evening Lizards.

And may I hope some of the contributors that haven’t been around in awhile are doing well, like Obdi, wrenchwench, Gus, HoosierHoops, Satty and I am sure there are others I might be missing.

23 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 6:24:23pm

re: #20 klystron

When my time comes, I too will go for the boob-smashing.

Fortunately a ways off yet.

I’m of the age where it is now an annual thing, even though breast cancer is NOT anywhere in my family’s medical history.
I don’t want to be the first one.
Fortunately, our insurance covers the annual mammogram as a no-out-of-pocket preventive wellness test.

24 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 6:25:07pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m of the age where it is now an annual thing, even though breast cancer is NOT anywhere in my family’s medical history.
I don’t want to be the first one.
Fortunately, our insurance covers the annual mammogram as a no-out-of-pocket preventive wellness test.

Maternal great-grandmothers both passed away from it, my grandmother caught it early and has been cancer free for 15+ years.

I’m sort of waiting for the phone call from my mother.

25 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 6:25:58pm

re: #20 klystron

When my time comes, I too will go for the boob-smashing.

Fortunately a ways off yet.

If you have the insurance to cover it now, go ahead and get one done for a baseline reference that will be very handy to have in later years.

26 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 6:26:33pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

If you have the insurance to cover it now, go ahead and get one done for a baseline reference that will be very handy to have in later years.

I will talk with the doctors about that next year. That will be the big 3-0, seems a reasonable time to look at it.

27 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 6:26:49pm

re: #24 klystron

Maternal great-grandmothers both passed away from it, my grandmother caught it early and has been cancer free for 15+ years.

I’m sort of waiting for the phone call from my mother.

Then you should most definitely get one now so you have the baseline reference for later.

28 TedStriker  Nov 5, 2014 6:27:28pm

re: #4 Blind Frog Ebola White

So, having now gained complete control of one branch of Government, the GOP Caucuses (Cocci?) are being advised not to do anything constructive till 2016, in hopes of winning the White House.

The next time a Conservative tells you he loves America, laugh in his face.

Cocks.

29 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 6:27:41pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m of the age where it is now an annual thing, even though breast cancer is NOT anywhere in my family’s medical history.
I don’t want to be the first one.
Fortunately, our insurance covers the annual mammogram as a no-out-of-pocket preventive wellness test.

My insurance was billed $850 for the annual boob smash.

That is $425 for each tit in the wringer.

30 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 6:28:05pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

Then you should most definitely get one now so you have the baseline reference for later.

re: #29 Vicious Piebola

My insurance was billed $850 for the annual boob smash.

That is $425 for each tit in the wringer.

THIS IS NOT HELPING HERE, LADIES.

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 6:28:13pm

re: #29 Vicious Piebola

My insurance was billed $850 for the annual boob smash.

That is $425 for each tit in the wringer.

YOWSER!

32 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 6:28:43pm

re: #30 klystron

THIS IS NOT HELPING HERE, LADIES.

heh…
welcome to the sisterhood…

33 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 5, 2014 6:33:56pm
34 Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2014 6:34:51pm

Lion Around? Get Well Soon!!

35 Amory Blaine  Nov 5, 2014 6:35:59pm

re: #5 Blind Frog Ebola White

:p

Must be on the same wavelength.

36 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 5, 2014 6:43:07pm
37 Kragar  Nov 5, 2014 6:43:43pm

Am I the only person who really doesn’t give a flying fuck who pulled the trigger when they took out Bin Laden?

38 OhNoZombies!  Nov 5, 2014 6:44:50pm

re: #37 Kragar

Am I the only person who really doesn’t give a flying fuck who pulled the trigger when they took out Bin Laden?

Nope.

39 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 6:45:42pm

re: #30 klystron

THIS IS NOT HELPING HERE, LADIES.

It’s not something you do for entertainment, but it really isn’t torture for most women. Worth doing.

Does that help?

40 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 6:46:27pm

re: #37 Kragar

Am I the only person who really doesn’t give a flying fuck who pulled the trigger when they took out Bin Laden?

Me neither

41 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 5, 2014 6:48:08pm

re: #37 Kragar

Am I the only person who really doesn’t give a flying fuck who pulled the trigger when they took out Bin Laden?

asshole looking for glory and the almighty dollar.

42 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 6:49:23pm

Heh heh heh, boob smash. Heh heh heh!

43 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 6:49:25pm

re: #41 Resident of The United States of Jesus

asshole looking for glory and the almighty dollar.

Didn’t the SEALS command just come down hard on this sort of grandstanding?

44 compound_Idaho  Nov 5, 2014 6:50:11pm

re: #39 calochortus

There are always extraordinary circumstances, but the average cost is nowhere near $850, so get it done.

45 Kragar  Nov 5, 2014 6:51:05pm

re: #41 Resident of The United States of Jesus

asshole looking for glory and the almighty dollar.

That is my take. The asshole is cashing in on the Fox News/RWNJ market. The only reason he was there was because the entire DOD spent years hunting OBL.

46 Vicious Piebola  Nov 5, 2014 6:52:38pm

re: #44 compound_Idaho

There are always extraordinary circumstances, but the average cost is nowhere near $850, so get it done.

I did not have to pay anything, no co-pay. This is what the hospital billed the insurance company.

47 Kragar  Nov 5, 2014 6:52:48pm

re: #43 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Didn’t the SEALS command just come down hard on this sort of grandstanding?

SEALs told to avoid limelight as ex-SEAL talks to TV

The Oct. 31 letter from Rear Adm. Brian Losey and Force Master Chief Michael Magaraci to Naval Special Warfare sailors stresses that they should strive for the respect of their colleagues, not public acclaim. The Tampa Tribune first reported about the letter Sunday.

“At Naval Special Warfare’s core is the SEAL ethos,” according to the letter, which the Navy Times obtained. “A critical tenant of our ethos is ‘I do not advertise the nature of my work, nor seek recognition for my actions.’ Our ethos is a life-long commitment and obligation, both in and out of the service. Violators of our ethos are neither teammates in good standing, nor teammates who represent Naval Special Warfare.”

48 compound_Idaho  Nov 5, 2014 6:54:20pm

re: #46 Vicious Piebola

I did not have to pay anything, no co-pay. This is what the hospital billed the insurance company.

Bless you sweetheart, but someone is paying the tab.

49 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 6:55:08pm

re: #46 Vicious Piebola

I did not have to pay anything, no co-pay. This is what the hospital billed the insurance company.

And the insurance company probably paid 55.78989% of the billed cost. We have such a screwed up health care system.

50 Snarknado!  Nov 5, 2014 6:58:35pm

re: #30 klystron

THIS IS NOT HELPING HERE, LADIES.

It’s uncomfortable, not painful.

51 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 7:00:04pm

re: #50 Snarknado!

It’s uncomfortable, not painful.

That’s what they said about the IUD too.

//

52 Snarknado!  Nov 5, 2014 7:03:27pm

re: #8 OhNoZombies!

I’mma just try to sleep through the next two years.

I ripped all my Tolkien to mp3s. LOTR (book and BBC dramatization), Silmarillion, The Hobbit). Enough to drown out the real world for years. No liver damage.

53 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 5, 2014 7:04:38pm

re: #50 Snarknado!

It’s uncomfortable, not painful.

Apart from the ladies with cysts. More pain and more likely false positives, negative biopsies and lost sleep.

54 Snarknado!  Nov 5, 2014 7:04:39pm

re: #51 klystron

That’s what they said about the IUD too.

//

But did “they” have IUDs?

55 Snarknado!  Nov 5, 2014 7:05:47pm

Later….

56 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 7:13:52pm

re: #3 klystron

re: #37 Kragar

Am I the only person who really doesn’t give a flying fuck who pulled the trigger when they took out Bin Laden?

He was a member of a team, he did not barge into bin Laden’s compound single handed with guns blazing like some kind of Arnold Schwartzeneastwod.
Nonetheless, expect to see him soon as the RW’s go-to guy on everything from Iran’s nuclear capability to logistics.

57 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 7:22:06pm

re: #54 Snarknado!

But did “they” have IUDs?

Who knows, but OH GOD THE PAIN.

58 bratwurst  Nov 5, 2014 7:26:30pm

Glad election season is over so we can get back to the REAL issues:

59 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 7:26:58pm

re: #47 Kragar

SEALs told to avoid limelight as ex-SEAL talks to TV

Thanks. I wish the Navy guys had used the right word, though. It’s “tenet,” not “tenant.”

60 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 7:27:40pm

re: #58 bratwurst

Glad election season is over so we can get back to the REAL issues:

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In Japan, a lot of toilets come with a button you can push so it makes toilet flushing noises so no one can hear you do your business. Added because people were actually wasting water flushing the toilets.

61 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 7:28:46pm

re: #48 compound_Idaho

Bless you sweetheart, but someone is paying the tab.

She paid her premiums for that.

62 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 5, 2014 7:35:49pm

Well the Ferguson Fireside chat was really good.

check the tweets #fergusonfireside to recap.

These people need our support.

63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 7:38:56pm
64 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 7:40:45pm

676,000 people voted yea on Amendment 67, which was the “Personhood” amendment that failed yet again in Colorado.

Colorado has a population of five million give or take a few hundred thousand.

Low turnout. Feh!

65 HappyWarrior  Nov 5, 2014 7:40:51pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Lol ok Lindsay. What a joke.

66 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 7:44:49pm

Ok, Lizards, I am still determinedly pinging away at this. I haven’t found the perfect one yet:

67 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 7:46:14pm

re: #66 klystron

Ok, Lizards, I am still determinedly pinging away at this. I haven’t found the perfect one yet:

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Sweet dreams are made of these…
…for a full and happy recovery.

68 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 7:47:02pm
69 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 7:47:16pm

re: #66 klystron

OK fine.

70 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 7:48:26pm

re: #69 teleskiguy

OK fine.

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I am entirely willing to be obnoxious in the name of a good cause.

And a card for a friend is a good cause. :)

71 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 5, 2014 7:49:29pm

re: #66 klystron

Ok, Lizards, I am still determinedly pinging away at this. I haven’t found the perfect one yet:

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Dreaming of the springbok right around the corner! go go go

(weak, but I do not relate to lions)

72 Resident of The United States of Jesus  Nov 5, 2014 7:50:20pm

I’m out.

73 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 7:54:31pm

re: #72 Resident of The United States of Jesus

I always feel odd updinging someone saying they’re out for the evening. I’m not happy they’re gone, just enjoyed “hearing” them while here.

74 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 5, 2014 7:56:15pm

niters, all!

75 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2014 7:57:32pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

I literally read that tweet in Darth Vader’s voice.

76 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 7:57:38pm

re: #73 calochortus

I always feel odd updinging someone saying they’re out for the evening. I’m not happy they’re gone, just enjoyed “hearing” them while here.

I like the implication that they’ll come back the next day.

That’s really what I value the most about LGF, is the community aspect of it. I may not know real names and faces, but most of the folks here are ones that I genuinely care about.

77 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 7:58:29pm

re: #76 klystron

Nice people and a wealth of information and viewpoints. What’s not to like?

78 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 7:59:14pm

re: #77 calochortus

Nice people and a wealth of information and viewpoints. What’s not to like?

Ponytails.

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79 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 5, 2014 8:05:19pm

re: #66 klystron

I know that you will get well soon. If I said anything else I’d be a lion.

80 BeachDem  Nov 5, 2014 8:09:09pm

re: #66 klystron

You made your bed and now I’m lion in it.

81 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 5, 2014 8:16:53pm

re: #66 klystron

Ok, Lizards, I am still determinedly pinging away at this. I haven’t found the perfect one yet:

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I ate a Republican

It tasted like Derp

82 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 8:17:26pm

re: #81 RealityBasedEbola

I ate a Republican

It tasted like Derp

That would make anyone feel better.
/

83 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 8:22:36pm

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

She paid her premiums for that.

Exactly. And the insurance cos. like mammograms because they’re cheap compared to the treatment necessary if later stage breast cancer went undetected.

The whole “somebody has to pay for it, sweetie” argument isn’t just condescending. It’s factually wrong in many cases. It’s actually cheaper in the long run to emphasize regular preventive proactive care, and pay for numerous small procedures than it is to wait and undergo chemo, surgery and other very expensive procedures once the patient is really sick and near the point of no return.

Most people pay premiums so they’re not getting some sort of free ride. As for the others, the fact is, we all pay for it since in this country we don’t let people die in ER’s because they lack insurance.

84 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 8:24:16pm

re: #83 palomino

Or at least we like to think we don’t let them die in ERs because they lack insurance…

85 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 8:24:47pm

re: #78 klystron

Ponytails.

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A couple-of-years old picture of my hair.

instagram.com

86 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 8:25:35pm

re: #84 calochortus

Or at least we like to think we don’t let them die in ERs because they lack insurance…

Maybe that’s next on the gop agenda. Scalia did say in one of his opinions recently that the country might want to rethink the “everyone gets emergency care” principle. He’s a real peach of a guy.

87 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 8:26:38pm

re: #86 palomino

Maybe that’s next on the gop agenda. Scalia did say in one of his opinions recently that the country might want to rethink the “everyone gets emergency care” principle. He’s a real peach of a guy.

That would be the other way to solve the issue of care for uninsured Americans…

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88 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 8:27:35pm

re: #86 palomino

Maybe that’s next on the gop agenda. Scalia did say in one of his opinions recently that the country might want to rethink the “everyone gets emergency care” principle. He’s a real peach of a guy.

And a good Christian as well.

89 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 8:31:57pm

MP3 Audio

90 RadicalModerate  Nov 5, 2014 8:35:01pm

Speaking of NOT HELPING -

Army says word ‘Negro’ OK to use

Washington (CNN) — A newly published U.S. Army regulation says a service member can be referred to as a “Negro” when describing “black or African American” personnel. The Army confirmed the language is contained in the October 22 “Army Command Policy,” known as regulation AR 600-20. The regulation is periodically updated but the Army could not say how recently the word was added to the document.
In a lengthy section of the document describing “race and ethnic code definitions,” the regulation states under the category “Black or African American” that would include, “A person having origins in any of the black racial groups of Africa. Terms such as “Haitian” or “Negro” can be used in addition to “Black” or “African American”.

Did they just think that nobody would notice?

91 blueraven  Nov 5, 2014 8:44:37pm

re: #48 compound_Idaho

Bless you sweetheart, but someone is paying the tab.

Hmmm…its almost like we should demand that these imaging centers not be owned by doctors or hospitals or…maybe we should insist prices be up front for comparison.

Nah! Free Market, sweetheart.

92 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 8:46:03pm

I’ve noticed a lot of people criticizing people from running away from President Obama over the past couple of days.

And I am not being a concern troll, and I hope Stinky doesn’t bounce me for this, but…isn’t there the possibility that trying to back the President is throwing bad money after good? It’s not the quantity of executive orders, it’s the substance of what some of them do. The executive is supposed to be the weakest branch, or at least coequal—weren’t we agreeing to that when Bush tried the ‘unitary executive’ crap? If Bush should have been impeached and convicted, Obama might be in the same boat.

In which case, all the circling the wagons that I see Charles encouraging might be akin to the Rs rallying around Nixon after the Plumbers were ID’d.

Like I said, not a concern troll, not intended to be a flounce; I know I’ll get heavily down-dinged, but can we take that thought into account as to why people were running away from the president…and maybe even take into account that an honest person would vote to convict, if the Articles the House draws up call out the right real crime?

93 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 8:48:05pm

re: #91 blueraven

Hmmm…its almost like we should demand that these imaging centers not be owned by doctors or hospitals or…maybe we should insist prices be up front for comparison.

Nah! Free Market, sweetheart.

Massachusetts is starting to require prices for medical tests and treatments be published. It’s a start.

94 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 8:49:33pm

re: #92 Chrysicat

Except that Obama isn’t doing anything impeachable as far as I can see. I’m not sure Bush did either. I never called for his impeachment.

95 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 8:50:07pm

re: #92 Chrysicat

…and maybe even take into account that an honest person would vote to convict, if the Articles the House draws up call out the right real crime?

What did Obama do that would qualify as High Crimes and Misdemeanors?

96 blueraven  Nov 5, 2014 8:53:01pm

re: #92 Chrysicat

I’ve noticed a lot of people criticizing people from running away from President Obama over the past couple of days.

And I am not being a concern troll, and I hope Stinky doesn’t bounce me for this, but…isn’t there the possibility that trying to back the President is throwing bad money after good? It’s not the quantity of executive orders, it’s the substance of what some of them do. The executive is supposed to be the weakest branch, or at least coequal—weren’t we agreeing to that when Bush tried the ‘unitary executive’ crap? If Bush should have been impeached and convicted, Obama might be in the same boat.

In which case, all the circling the wagons that I see Charles encouraging might be akin to the Rs rallying around Nixon after the Plumbers were ID’d.

Like I said, not a concern troll, not intended to be a flounce; I know I’ll get heavily down-dinged, but can we take that thought into account as to why people were running away from the president…and maybe even take into account that an honest person would vote to convict, if the Articles the House draws up call out the right real crime?

WTF?

I don’t remember any serious attempt to impeach Bush and invoking Richard Nixon and the plumbers is just nuts.

97 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 8:53:22pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

I’d have to look through the whole history again. All I know is that maybe I’m being too influenced by my parents, who are admittedly getting all their news from Faux Noise, but even my mother, who would sooner shoot a TEA than elect him, is in agreement on two things. One, there’ve been high crimes committed—I think she mentioned aid and comfort to the Islamic State. Two, that there can be no conviction, because only a R would ever vote against him.

And my father actually thinks the only reason that no D would is because they fear that a race war would break out if the president were convicted and removed ��

98 Single-handed sailor  Nov 5, 2014 8:54:25pm

re: #97 Chrysicat

I’d have to look through the whole history again. All I know is that maybe I’m being too influenced by my parents, who are admittedly getting all their news from Faux Noise, but even my mother, who would sooner shoot a TEA than elect him, is in agreement on two things. One, there’ve been high crimes committed—I think she mentioned aid and comfort to the Islamic State. Two, that there can be no conviction, because only a R would ever vote against her.

And my father actually thinks the only reason that no D would is because they fear that a race war would break out if the president were convicted and removed ”

That’s crazy talk.

99 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 8:55:04pm

re: #97 Chrysicat

I’d have to look through the whole history again. All I know is that maybe I’m being too influenced by my parents, who are admittedly getting all their news from Faux Noise, but even my mother, who would sooner shoot a TEA than elect him, is in agreement on two things. One, there’ve been high crimes committed—I think she mentioned aid and comfort to the Islamic State. Two, that there can be no conviction, because only a R would ever vote against her.

And my father actually thinks the only reason that no D would is because they fear that a race war would break out if the president were convicted and removed ”

Aid and comfort to ISIL????? Specifically, what aid and comfort? With all due respect to your mother, that is delusional.

100 blueraven  Nov 5, 2014 8:55:48pm

re: #97 Chrysicat

I’d have to look through the whole history again. All I know is that maybe I’m being too influenced by my parents, who are admittedly getting all their news from Faux Noise, but even my mother, who would sooner shoot a TEA than elect him, is in agreement on two things. One, there’ve been high crimes committed—I think she mentioned aid and comfort to the Islamic State. Two, that there can be no conviction, because only a R would ever vote against her.

And my father actually thinks the only reason that no D would is because they fear that a race war would break out if the president were convicted and removed ”

You really are a piece of work.

101 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 8:56:38pm

re: #99 calochortus

Probably “not crushing it with boots on the ground as soon as it started up. And arming Syrian refugees who later joined it”.

That one’s more her than me, but I’m just starting to worry that we’re backing the wrong horse here.

102 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 8:56:58pm

re: #97 Chrysicat

I’d have to look through the whole history again. All I know is that maybe I’m being too influenced by my parents, who are admittedly getting all their news from Faux Noise, but even my mother, who would sooner shoot a TEA than elect him, is in agreement on two things. One, there’ve been high crimes committed—I think she mentioned aid and comfort to the Islamic State. Two, that there can be no conviction, because only a R would ever vote against her.

And my father actually thinks the only reason that no D would is because they fear that a race war would break out if the president were convicted and removed ”

Anyone who gets all their news from the Faux Noise echo chamber very well could end up convinced that it must be rational, but that doesn’t mean that it is.

I won’t downding an honest question, which is what you asked - but I’d encourage you to read through on these topics from sources that are not Fox News. Do you really think that all other media outlets would completely ignore something that qualifies as high crimes and misdemeanors and only Faux would be brave enough to stand up to the …I don’t know, government censors?

103 blueraven  Nov 5, 2014 8:57:21pm

re: #99 calochortus

Aid and comfort to ISIL????? Specifically, what aid and comfort? With all due respect to your mother, that is delusional.

Hint…it’s not the mom talking here.

104 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 8:58:06pm

re: #97 Chrysicat

I’d have to look through the whole history again. All I know is that maybe I’m being too influenced by my parents, who are admittedly getting all their news from Faux Noise, but even my mother, who would sooner shoot a TEA than elect him, is in agreement on two things. One, there’ve been high crimes committed—I think she mentioned aid and comfort to the Islamic State. Two, that there can be no conviction, because only a R would ever vote against her.

And my father actually thinks the only reason that no D would is because they fear that a race war would break out if the president were convicted and removed ”

…my parents
…my mother
…my father
…watch Fox News on the regular

OK.

Removal from office is impossible, Obama will serve his term out. And maybe some contributors to LGF that have been saying no impeachment will occur are right. I hope they are.

And really, don’t listen to everything your parents say, claim some fucking autonomy why don’t ya!

105 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 8:59:20pm

re: #102 klystron

Probably not. But the cognitive dissonance in spending this side of my life around balanced people and my RL among ‘fair and balanced’ people—and no, I’m not capable of caring for myself for more than about a week at the time, and I’m already all-but-nocturnal to overhear as little of Deaf Dad’s Faux Noise as possible while he’s awake—might be driving me nuts.

And I’m worried about how long I can remain even remotely sane here :”>

106 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2014 8:59:22pm

re: #95 teleskiguy

What did Obama do that would qualify as High Crimes and Misdemeanors?

Apparently, be born black.

107 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 8:59:28pm

re: #101 Chrysicat

Probably “not crushing it with boots on the ground as soon as it started up. And arming Syrian refugees who later joined it”.

That one’s more her than me, but I’m just starting to worry that we’re backing the wrong horse here.

Problem is, there is no right horse to back. You think we should back Assad?

108 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 9:00:08pm

re: #101 Chrysicat

Probably “not crushing it with boots on the ground as soon as it started up. And arming Syrian refugees who later joined it”.

That one’s more her than me, but I’m just starting to worry that we’re backing the wrong horse here.

This feels like an excellent example of how the Faux talking points become entrenched. No offense meant. But you’re looking at your parents, who seem to you to be rational people, and they’re believing it, so you’re wondering what might they know that you don’t. And then all these Democrats ran away, and so maybe there is something here that’s going on.

I really do encourage you to do some research on these topics. For yourself. Look at a cross section of media sources. There’s lots of resources here, or you can find lots more out there. Good people can be fooled into believing bullshit. Think critically.

109 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 9:01:41pm

re: #105 Chrysicat

Probably not. But the cognitive dissonance in spending this side of my life around balanced people and my RL among ‘fair and balanced’ people—and no, I’m not capable of caring for myself for more than about a week at the time, and I’m already all-but-nocturnal to overhear as little of Deaf Dad’s Faux Noise as possible while he’s awake—might be driving me nuts.

And I’m worried about how long I can remain even remotely sane here :”>

I think folks here are happy enough to serve as your touchstone to reality here, and help counteract it.

Also, the Daily Show and Colbert. Entertainment, yes, but also a realistic take on things. They’re not perfect, but they help.

110 KingKenrod  Nov 5, 2014 9:02:16pm

re: #66 klystron

Ok, Lizards, I am still determinedly pinging away at this. I haven’t found the perfect one yet:

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111 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 9:02:34pm

re: #92 Chrysicat

So what crime(s) has Obama committed, exactly? Comparing support for Obama to the support for Nixon ignores the clear fact that Nixon aided and abetted actual crimes. Nixon’s malfeasance was so bad that even my dad, a lifelong Republican, gave up on Tricky Dick.

112 bratwurst  Nov 5, 2014 9:04:07pm

“Maybe he IS guilty of impeachable offenses!”

“Um, what impeachable offenses do you mean?”

“I’d have to look”

113 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 9:06:42pm

re: #112 bratwurst

“Maybe he IS guilty of impeachable offenses!”

“Um, what impeachable offenses do you mean?”

“I’d have to look”

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Minority Report was a movie, not an exposé, after all.

114 Mike Lamb  Nov 5, 2014 9:07:46pm

re: #107 calochortus

Problem is, there is no right horse to back. You think we should back Assad?

This person means Obama. Not a faction in the ME.

115 Floral Giraffe  Nov 5, 2014 9:08:16pm

re: #91 blueraven

Hmmm…its almost like we should demand that these imaging centers not be owned by doctors or hospitals or…maybe we should insist prices be up front for comparison.

Nah! Free Market, sweetheart.

The tab, as you say, is completely different when insured vs uninsured. IF the pricing was comparable, it would be a different story.

116 Jenner7  Nov 5, 2014 9:09:17pm

re: #92 Chrysicat

What’s the substance?? Because, honestly, that is a GOP talking point ever since the use of EO started. It’s not the quantity, it’s the substance. So, again, what is the substance of his EO that would make impeachable??

117 Chrysicat  Nov 5, 2014 9:12:48pm

re: #116 Jenner7

I literally don’t know anymore; I’m angrier when I’m actually around the aggravating factors; and at any rate, I can’t discuss now because all of a sudden I’m both dizzy and sick to my stomach and I think it’s from even floating the ideas I did and realizing how ridiculous they are when put out in public.

118 Jenner7  Nov 5, 2014 9:12:55pm

re: #97 Chrysicat

Seriously? Obama gave aid and comfort to the Islamic State?

119 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 9:13:58pm

re: #117 Chrysicat

I literally don’t know anymore; I’m angrier when I’m actually around the aggravating factors; and at any rate, I can’t discuss now because all of a sudden I’m both dizzy and sick to my stomach and I think it’s from even floating the ideas I did and realizing how ridiculous they are when put out in public.

Sometimes talking things out is how we learn. You asked a question. That was fair. And you’re listening to the responses, which is more than a lot of people.

/hugs

120 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 5, 2014 9:15:53pm

re: #117 Chrysicat

I literally don’t know anymore; I’m angrier when I’m actually around the aggravating factors; and at any rate, I can’t discuss now because all of a sudden I’m both dizzy and sick to my stomach and I think it’s from even floating the ideas I did and realizing how ridiculous they are when put out in public.

Take a deep breath and think maybe this is a disorientation/overload kinda thing. Relax a little and go to the facts first and foremost. Histrionics have been the way of the day for weeks.

121 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 9:16:19pm

re: #117 Chrysicat

Not knowing can be both disorienting and a step forward.

122 calochortus  Nov 5, 2014 9:17:10pm

And on that note, I’m out for the evening.

Hasta mañana. Sleep well.

123 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 9:17:42pm

Oh, Bay Area.

“We know Oakland can be safer, it can be cleaner and it can take better care of its children,” Schaaf told dozens of supporters. “Let’s hear it for Oakland’s awesomeness!”

Schaaf then pointed out her Oakland-designed dress, Oakland earings and Oakland necklace before climbing aboard a fire-breathing art car made in West Oakland and decorated with campaign signs. As she rolled away, Schaaf yanked the reins sending flames spewing out of the car’s antennas and supporters chanted, “Libby! Libby! Libby!”

124 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 9:18:28pm

re: #117 Chrysicat

I literally don’t know anymore; I’m angrier when I’m actually around the aggravating factors; and at any rate, I can’t discuss now because all of a sudden I’m both dizzy and sick to my stomach and I think it’s from even floating the ideas I did and realizing how ridiculous they are when put out in public.

klys is right, you can reach out to us and we can give some resources that’ll point you in the right direction and give you a better understanding of what’s going on. On the left hand side of the site there’s a newsfeed with all kinds of news sources you can choose from.

It also helps to ask questions when something isn’t understood. I’ve gained some kind of insight by asking the persistent conserva-Lizards that come here questions about what they believe.

And be yourself. From your last few comments, you’ve been doing good on that.

125 BeachDem  Nov 5, 2014 9:21:11pm

re: #101 Chrysicat

Probably “not crushing it with boots on the ground as soon as it started up. And arming Syrian refugees who later joined it”.

That one’s more her than me, but I’m just starting to worry that we’re backing the wrong horse here.

If that were even true, and if it rose to the level of high crimes and misdemeanors, we would not have had a president last through a term without impeachment since…probably JFK, and only because he was assassinated too soon.

126 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 9:24:34pm

re: #97 Chrysicat

I’d have to look through the whole history again. All I know is that maybe I’m being too influenced by my parents, who are admittedly getting all their news from Faux Noise, but even my mother, who would sooner shoot a TEA than elect him, is in agreement on two things. One, there’ve been high crimes committed—I think she mentioned aid and comfort to the Islamic State. Two, that there can be no conviction, because only a R would ever vote against him.

And my father actually thinks the only reason that no D would is because they fear that a race war would break out if the president were convicted and removed ”

There was a report some weeks ago that an aid package airdropped to defenders of Kobane ended up being captured by ISIL rebels. One aid package. And our military brass said it was an isolated incident that was certainly not intended. That’s the only event that could be even be remotely characterized as “aiding and comforting” the enemy, AFAIK.

Then, there’s the question of whether these air drops were a direct order of the president, or a strategic decision by the State Dept. or Defense Dept. The president can’t be impeached for the actions of the people under him, if the president did not participate in or condone those actions. See which: Richard Nixon.

The GOTP has tried to throw so-called “crimes” toward Obama to see if any of them stick: birth certificate, Benghazi, ISIL, ebola, etc. None have, because none constitute “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” Doing stuff that the opposing party disapproves of (see which: Bill Clinton) is not an impeachable offense. If it were, there would have been many such attempts in the past.

As for a “race war” should impeachment proceedings begin, that’s more RWNJ, Stormfront, John Bircher fear mongering at work. Scary black people will grab guns, and come take our guns and wimmens away, and shoot us, and the USA will become the USBA!!
Absolute bullshit. It’s the plot of a badly written paperback novel.

If you’re stuck with listening to Faux Noise nonsense from your family, you need to counteract the craziness with more rational and (mentally) balanced sources, like the BBC, Deutsche Welle, the NY Times, and LGF. Listening to Faux Noise 24/7 will warp your mind and turn you into a Tea Partier. Surely a fate worse than death.

127 psddluva4evah  Nov 5, 2014 9:30:17pm

I can’t a reply to all, but I just wanted to say Thank You to everyone who wished me a happy Birthday today. It started out gloomy but it ended up on a high point, a lookout point to be exact!

So again to everyone…Mahalo!

128 sagehen  Nov 5, 2014 9:35:16pm

re: #3 klystron

I need more ideas, guys:

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129 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 9:35:51pm

re: #92 Chrysicat

The Dems who ran away from the president weren’t doing so because of some vague threat of impeachment against him. They were doing so because Obama’s views on everything from same sex marriage to healthcare aren’t popular in blood red states like Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Georgia, etc.

Just look at the map. Rural America and the South are deep red. Urban America and the coasts are quite the opposite. Most Dems here in Cali weren’t running away from the president. But this is a blue state, so they don’t have to worry about guilt by association.

130 goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2014 9:43:23pm

re: #92 Chrysicat

And I am not being a concern troll, and I hope Stinky doesn’t bounce me for this, but…isn’t there the possibility that trying to back the President is throwing bad money after good?

Not really. Chris Hayes had a good analogy using the prisoner’s dilemma today. Trying to run away from the President was futile, the Democrats who did it just reinforced the idea that being associated with him was something bad, and so dragged down themselves and their entire party. Because the charges against the President are utterly baseless, rooted in perceptions that run completely at odds with current economic reality, had they cooperated with the President they wouldn’t have left themselves and other Democrats nearly as open to attack.

It’s not the quantity of executive orders, it’s the substance of what some of them do. The executive is supposed to be the weakest branch, or at least coequal—weren’t we agreeing to that when Bush tried the ‘unitary executive’ crap? If Bush should have been impeached and convicted, Obama might be in the same boat.

I honestly have no idea which executive orders you’re talking about. Give some examples of what you consider to be executive action overreaches by Obama.

In which case, all the circling the wagons that I see Charles encouraging might be akin to the Rs rallying around Nixon after the Plumbers were ID’d.

Huh? That analogy fails on so many levels I don’t know where to even begin.

Like I said, not a concern troll, not intended to be a flounce; I know I’ll get heavily down-dinged, but can we take that thought into account as to why people were running away from the president…and maybe even take into account that an honest person would vote to convict, if the Articles the House draws up call out the right real crime?

Like I said, you’re long on raw assertion with a precious shortage of actual examples. Tell us what Obama has done that actually runs counter to either his Constitutional authority or that violates the executive latitude in implementation built into laws like the ACA. If he’s done something you consider illegal, try to name it.

See, what you did above was posit some bullshit hypothetical situation wherein the House might possibly be able to name a real crime, bearing in mind that Boehner can’t even get a law firm that is willing to file his proposed civil suit. What you should do is try to actually name the hypothetical crime you suppose the House might be able to impeach on, otherwise this isn’t even useful as a thought experiment.

131 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 9:44:24pm

re: #129 palomino

The Dems who ran away from the president weren’t doing so because of some vague threat of impeachment against him. They were doing so because Obama’s views on everything from same sex marriage to healthcare aren’t popular in blood red states like Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Georgia, etc.

Just look at the map. Rural America and the South are deep red. Urban America and the coasts are quite the opposite. Most Dems here in Cali weren’t running away from the president. But this is a blue state, so they don’t have to worry about guilt by association.

A Democrat in Kentucky does not necessarily share the same opinions as a Dem from NYC, for example. This has been a feature of the Democratic Party for decades, for better or worse.

132 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 9:47:20pm

re: #97 Chrysicat

I’d have to look through the whole history again. All I know is that maybe I’m being too influenced by my parents, who are admittedly getting all their news from Faux Noise, but even my mother, who would sooner shoot a TEA than elect him, is in agreement on two things. One, there’ve been high crimes committed—I think she mentioned aid and comfort to the Islamic State. Two, that there can be no conviction, because only a R would ever vote against him.

And my father actually thinks the only reason that no D would is because they fear that a race war would break out if the president were convicted and removed ”

Chrissy, we’re dropping bombs on IS every day. Tell me how that qualifies as aiding and comforting the enemy, or high crimes or treason against America.

As for your parents, you’re an autonomous adult, right? So then make up your own damn mind, after actually looking at facts. Every old person I know watches Fox, and Fox has been talking about impeachment since Day One of Obama’s first term. So what? That doesn’t mean impeachment is on the table, just that partisans love to talk about it. And if the best you can do is “there’ve been high crimes committed—I think she mentioned aid and comfort to the Islamic State” then, no offense, but you don’t really know what you’re talking about. You even admit that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Ask questions and do some research before jumping on the impeachment train. It’s only happened twice in our history for a good reason…it’s not usually warranted.

133 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 9:50:48pm

re: #93 calochortus

Massachusetts is starting to require prices for medical tests and treatments be published. It’s a start.

If Obamacare does somehow get gutted, the solution would have to be at the state level. Forget the feds at that point. Every state should look at Romneycare. It’s the best thing Mitt ever did, and it should be a model for the rest of the country. It’s no accident that Mass. has the lowest rate of uninsured (just 5%) in the whole country. While Texas and other healthcare disasters are over 20%.

134 Kragar  Nov 5, 2014 9:55:36pm
135 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 9:55:40pm

re: #131 wheat-dogghazi-bola

A Democrat in Kentucky does not necessarily share the same opinions as a Dem from NYC, for example. This has been a feature of the Democratic Party for decades, for better or worse.

True, the Dems, as a broad coalition, have always been somewhat more chaotic than the gop. But my only point is that Dems weren’t running away from Obama due to some hypothetical impeachment. They were doing it for the same reasons northern Republicans ran away from George Bush in 2006—he wasn’t very popular at the time. And for the same reason that Scott Brown and other northern Republicans didn’t run as Tea Party candidates in yesterday’s election.

136 Dark_Falcon  Nov 5, 2014 10:00:45pm

re: #135 palomino

True, the Dems, as a broad coalition, have always been somewhat more chaotic than the gop. But my only point is that Dems weren’t running away from Obama due to some hypothetical impeachment. They were doing it for the same reasons northern Republicans ran away from George Bush in 2006—he wasn’t very popular at the time. And for the same reason that Scott Brown and other northern Republicans didn’t run as Tea Party candidates in yesterday’s election.

Well, the Tea Party’s traction in New Hampshire was always limited and they never liked Scott Brown anyways.

In other news, sorry I’ve been gone for a few days folks. I figured with the election so close I’d just be a pest if I was around so I stepped back.

137 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 10:01:20pm
138 Cheechako  Nov 5, 2014 10:01:59pm

re: #37 Kragar

Am I the only person who really doesn’t give a flying fuck who pulled the trigger when they took out Bin Laden?

This guy might become a candidate for a Darwin Award. Kinda’ stupid to paint a big target on your back.

139 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 10:04:24pm

re: #101 Chrysicat

Probably “not crushing it with boots on the ground as soon as it started up. And arming Syrian refugees who later joined it”.

That one’s more her than me, but I’m just starting to worry that we’re backing the wrong horse here.

Differences of opinion on policy do not rise to the level of “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

Nor do mistakes, which all presidents make, and which are, at worst, what Obama has done.

140 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 10:05:43pm

re: #135 palomino

True, the Dems, as a broad coalition, have always been somewhat more chaotic than the gop. But my only point is that Dems weren’t running away from Obama due to some hypothetical impeachment. They were doing it for the same reasons northern Republicans ran away from George Bush in 2006—he wasn’t very popular at the time. And for the same reason that Scott Brown and other northern Republicans didn’t run as Tea Party candidates in yesterday’s election.

The impeachment thing is yet another RWNJ anti-Obama meme with as much truth to it as any other. They’ve literally got nothing on him, and deep down they know it. Despite what nonsense people like Scott Walker and Joni Ernst spew, the national economy is in better shape than it was six years ago, the ACA is working as expected, we’re not in a ground war anywhere, among other things. The only beefs they’ve got are social ones: SSM, chief among them.

141 Dark_Falcon  Nov 5, 2014 10:06:19pm

re: #131 wheat-dogghazi-bola

A Democrat in Kentucky does not necessarily share the same opinions as a Dem from NYC, for example. This has been a feature of the Democratic Party for decades, for better or worse.

It’s true for both parties. Mark Kirk isn’t Ted Cruz, after all.

142 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 10:06:22pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

In other news, sorry I’ve been gone for a few days folks. I figured with the election so close I’d just be a pest if I was around so I stepped back.

So you show up at midnight to say Hey!

Get it out of your system. You’re happier than flies on shit. And you know what? I’m happy that you’re happy.

143 goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2014 10:06:54pm

The good news is that Republicans only have two more years of this racist shit to run on. Also, the Court gay marriage rulings are happening now, and this will simply be the established state of play in 2016. No Republican running on the national stage is going to be very vocal about wanting to overturn it then, in fact the Party establishment wing will probably fight pretty hard to keep opposition to gays out of the official GOP platform. They may well lose out to the fundies, but fucking over a bunch of de facto and de jure married couples isn’t going to play well in the debates, and the smart Republicans know this.

The thing about white older Americans especially is that most of them honestly don’t think they’re racist. They are of course incredibly racist, in large part because of this inability, this refusal to identify and acknowledge the natural prejudice that pretty much everyone has. We are products of our environment, everyone has past experiences that shapes their perceptions. Everyone has some fucked up ideas that creep in periodically, the options are to either acknowledge and try to deal with them intellectually or to live in reflexive denial. The problem with older white conservatives is that dealing with your own shit requires introspection, and applying that back to how one views people different from them requires empathy, two things they’re generally not good at.

Last time my Mom was here we got to talking about politics, which is really never a good idea. She said she really, honestly thinks that Obama has some kind of animus towards white people. It was sad, and even sadder was that she couldn’t name a single reason for why she felt this way, she just did. Her and my step-dad listen to Fox News all the time, and when they’re not home they force their furniture to listen to it. So it’s no wonder where they get these ideas, but the reason such fucked up ideas find any purchase at all is that it never occurred to them that they personally could possibly harbor any prejudices. And that genuine denial, that rote lack of introspection is what allows them at times to say, and honestly believe some of the most fucked up shit imaginable.

144 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 10:08:14pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

It’s true for both parties. Mark Kirk isn’t Ted Cruz, after all.

Thankfully.

But I’d argue there is a wider range across the liberal-conservative spectrum within the Democratic Party than in the GOP.

145 goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2014 10:13:07pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

It’s true for both parties. Mark Kirk isn’t Ted Cruz, after all.

The difference of course is that the GOP is much more heavily influenced by Cruz than Kirk. The Republicans nationally are a rural, religiously oriented, atavistic party, which is why the more empathic people like Kirk and intelligent people like Huntsman hold very little sway.

146 Dark_Falcon  Nov 5, 2014 10:14:39pm

re: #142 teleskiguy

So you show up at midnight to say Hey!

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Get it out of your system. You’re happier than flies on shit. And you know what? I’m happy that you’re happy.

I’m not THAT happy, since work is going more slowly than I’d like, and I’ve only got 15 more selling days this month. I’m pleased for the Republican victories, don’t doubt it, but I know they could become “The flies that conquered the flypaper” if they are not followed up correctly.

147 Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 5, 2014 10:14:53pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

It’s true for both parties. Mark Kirk isn’t Ted Cruz, after all.

True. In recent years though the GOP has excised a lot of the Blue Dogs.

148 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 10:16:08pm

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149 Dark_Falcon  Nov 5, 2014 10:16:56pm

re: #145 goddamnedfrank

The difference of course is that the GOP is much more heavily influenced by Cruz than Kirk. The Republicans nationally are a rural, religiously oriented, atavistic party, which is why the more empathic people like Kirk and intelligent people like Huntsman hold very little sway.

But by the same token, Charles Schumer is more representative of Democrats than Jon Tester.

150 RadicalModerate  Nov 5, 2014 10:18:39pm

re: #97 Chrysicat

I’d have to look through the whole history again. All I know is that maybe I’m being too influenced by my parents, who are admittedly getting all their news from Faux Noise, but even my mother, who would sooner shoot a TEA than elect him, is in agreement on two things. One, there’ve been high crimes committed—I think she mentioned aid and comfort to the Islamic State. Two, that there can be no conviction, because only a R would ever vote against him.

And my father actually thinks the only reason that no D would is because they fear that a race war would break out if the president were convicted and removed ”

Aid and comfort to the Islamic State?
How?

By not getting involved with Iran about their internal issues regarding their rather tainted elections? By having a more-or-less hands-off policy toward the Arab Spring - including uprisings in Syria and Libya? By siding with Israel on pretty much every conflict they had with various Palestinian factions? By capturing/killing more actual members of Al Qaeda - including Bin Laden himself in his first term than happened during GW Bush’s two-term “war on terror”?

For being some sort of “sekrit moozlim” he sure seems to be hiding it really well.

As for that other stuff, that sort of talk belongs on somewhere like VDare or Stormfront.

151 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Nov 5, 2014 10:19:12pm

re: #117 Chrysicat

I literally don’t know anymore; I’m angrier when I’m actually around the aggravating factors; and at any rate, I can’t discuss now because all of a sudden I’m both dizzy and sick to my stomach and I think it’s from even floating the ideas I did and realizing how ridiculous they are when put out in public.

It sounds like your current context is putting a bunch of stress on you. The politics of parents is like one-stop-shopping for stress.

Just remember that you aren’t required to validate their worldview, and it’s not wrong to question it. If they’re believing things because of bad information or fear, it’s not a rejection of them as people to question or reject those ideas. And if they demand that valdation, they’re being assholes.

I have no idea how to address the impeachment thing. It’s been threatened since 2009 for so many reasons that I can’t even sort them out any more. All of it has been so profoundly un-serious and completely devoid of an actual legal basis.

Right now, we seem to be back around to the idea that he’s secretly a Muslim sympathizer, this time with ISIS and the Syria/Iraq debacle. It’s only the EIGHT MILLIONTH time it’s been claimed that if you have the secret decoder ring, you can see how he’s a secret Muslim jihadi (who’s also a puppet of The Gay Agenda).

I mean consider how this argument:

the impeachment will fail because Democrats won’t break party lines

Look at the base assumptions:

1. Impeachment attempt is valid, even though no proof or argument has been made to validate it. There is no possibility of innocence.

2. In spite of the legal nature of impeachment, guilt is a foregone conclusion such that the major concern is partisan voting overturning guilt. Guilt is intuited: objective validity does not matter, nor does legal validity.

3. It is acceptable and justified that Republicans would uniformly back impeachment, in spite of (1) and (2). There is no context where Republicans might disagree with impeachment

4. Complementary to (3), Democrats will only object to impeachment because of partisan loyalty. There is no context in which objection to impeachment is valid or non-partisan, therefore all objection can be ignored.

This is kangaroo court bullshit. Soviet show-trial logic.

He’s guilty! We know it! You should accept that he’s guilty even though we haven’t proved it supeficially, let alone to a court standard! If you don’t you’re partisan.

152 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 10:20:27pm

“Opera is Dead” - WaPo
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153 Jenner7  Nov 5, 2014 10:21:24pm

re: #127 psddluva4evah

Happy Birthday!

154 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 10:22:11pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

But by the same token, Charles Schumer is more representative of Democrats than Jon Tester.

But Schumer is nowhere near as far left as Cruz is far right. Cruz is a borderline nihilist reactionary: “if we don’t get our way, let’s just blow up or shut down the whole govt.” He makes Bernie Sanders look like a moderate.

And Schumer is not a sexy rising star in his party, while Ted is basically the cover boy for the farthest right TP element of the GOP.

155 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 10:26:17pm

re: #150 RadicalModerate

It’s all BS meant to whip people into a frenzy. The GOP has had a hard-on for impeachment ever since Clinton. The problem is you don’t get to impeach a president for things like Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, ISIS, etc.

The worst Obama can be accused of in all those cases is making a mistake, since there’s currently no evidence of criminality.

156 goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2014 10:28:46pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

But by the same token, Charles Schumer is more representative of Democrats than Jon Tester.

Sure, the problem with that is what exactly? Neither of them is ideal, but unlike Cruz they both have positive favorability spreads and neither is going to be the 2016 Dem nominee. On the other hand nationally Cruz has been pretty steadily underwater.

157 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 10:31:57pm

Senate Majority Leader Rafael Edward Cruz.

Yup, let’s take it in stride!

Popcorn Time!

158 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 5, 2014 10:32:12pm

Interesting weather in Europe today: heavy rains and flooding in southern France, possible tornadoes in Italy from the same storm system later on, high winds in Ireland causing air travel delays.

159 Dark_Falcon  Nov 5, 2014 10:39:49pm

re: #157 teleskiguy

Senate Majority Leader Rafael Edward Cruz.

Yup, let’s take it in stride!

Popcorn Time!

File that under “Not Gonna Happen”. Ted Cruz is not going to be able to outmaneuver Mitch McConnell and he’ll only hurt himself politically trying. Teddy C. can have his fun trying to storm Castle McConnell, but when he gets the boiling oil dumped on him from murder holes in the ceiling he shouldn’t be surprised.

The boiling oil will, of course, have been refined by Koch Industries.

160 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 10:42:44pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

File that under “Not Gonna Happen”. Ted Cruz is not going to be able to outmaneuver Mitch McConnell and he’ll only hurt himself politically trying. Teddy C. can have his fun trying to storm Castle McConnell, but when he gets the boiling oil dumped on him from murder holes in the ceiling he shouldn’t be surprised.

The boiling oil will, of course, have been refined by Koch Industries.

I don’t know. Havana Ted has been one of the most ambitious Junior Senators that I can remember in some time, and he appeals to every baser element of conservative thought in the United States.

I’ve got my eye on @HavanaTed.

161 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 10:44:30pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

File that under “Not Gonna Happen”. Ted Cruz is not going to be able to outmaneuver Mitch McConnell and he’ll only hurt himself politically trying. Teddy C. can have his fun trying to storm Castle McConnell, but when he gets the boiling oil dumped on him from murder holes in the ceiling he shouldn’t be surprised.

The boiling oil will, of course, have been refined by Koch Industries.

That’s not the job Cruz wants anyway. He wants to be prez. He’s not interested in the nuts and bolts of tedious parliamentary procedure. Cruz is a reckless shameless self-promoter. He’s not known as Tail Gunner Ted for no reason.

162 teleskiguy  Nov 5, 2014 10:45:32pm
163 Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2014 10:49:22pm

re: #161 palomino

That’s not the job Cruz wants anyway. He wants to be prez. He’s not interested in the nuts and bolts of tedious parliamentary procedure. Cruz is a reckless shameless self-promoter. He’s not known as Tail Gunner Ted for no reason.

Which is why I don’t believe he’ll make a serious effort to be majority leader. He’s stated no intent to challenge McConnell for it, only said he won’t support him for the job. Way I figure it, he’ll let media speculation and base support for him to buck the leadership to do the work for him.

Then, between now and January, he’ll offer McConnell the same Faustian deal the Tea Party offered Boehner: Support for his ascension or at least a pledge not to openly oppose it, in exchange for allowing him and the other TP nutters an effective veto power over any bills the Senate may consider.

After all, why go through the trouble of being majority leader, and thus being the target for flak from both sides, when he can sit back and let McConnell be the obvious target while he pulls the strings behind the scenes?

164 Dark_Falcon  Nov 5, 2014 10:50:50pm

re: #160 teleskiguy

I don’t know. Havana Ted has been one of the most ambitious Junior Senators that I can remember in some time, and he appeals to every baser element of conservative thought in the United States.

I’ve got my eye on @HavanaTed.

He’s ambitious, no doubt but I remain convinced that old age and guile will always beat youth, inexperience, and a simpering expression.

165 Dark_Falcon  Nov 5, 2014 10:54:44pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Not much chance of McConnell taking THAT kind of deal:

Top Republicans: Get ready to make deals

“There will be no government shutdown, and there will be no national default,” said McConnell, speaking here at a news conference at the University of Louisville.

Asked whether he would insist on spending cuts as part of a debt ceiling increase, something House and Senate conservatives have demanded in past years, McConnell signaled he would pursue other avenues instead.

“I think we have other mechanisms that were unavailable to us with the previous configuration of the government,” McConnell said.

The hammering sound you heard while reading that first sentence was the sound of Mitch McConnell nailing his colors to the mainmast.

166 RadicalModerate  Nov 5, 2014 10:54:53pm

re: #155 palomino

It’s all BS meant to whip people into a frenzy. The GOP has had a hard-on for impeachment ever since Clinton. The problem is you don’t get to impeach a president for things like Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Solyndra, ISIS, etc.

The worst Obama can be accused of in all those cases is making a mistake, since there’s currently no evidence of criminality.

The part that bugs me most is the fact that if you compare the Democratic and Republican Presidents during the past half century, there have been a HELL of a lot more instances of impeachable offenses by the Republican side than from the Democrats.

Johnson: Escalation of conflict in SE Asia (see Pentagon Papers) - possibly impeachable.

Nixon: Watergate coverup was clearly impeachable - even his own allies agreed with this one.

Ford: Outside of his pardon of Nixon (which he had the absolute right to do), nothing even approaching shady with him.

Carter: Nothing directly associated with him - a couple appointees having legal problems, but still nothing impeachable.

Reagan: Iran-Contra, HUD grant rigging, Savings & Loan crisis, EPA corruption all had direct Reagan administration involvement.

GHW Bush: Possible involvement in scandals during his term as Vice-President, but nothing really while he was President.

Clinton: Probably the most-investigated President in modern history, and the only thing they could find on him was an instance of him lying about marital infidelity.

GW Bush: pursuit of Iraq invasion, midterm dismissals of US Attorneys, Valerie Plame affair, Geneva Convention violations

Obama: Sorry, rightwingers, but being “President while black” is not an impeachable offense.

That would be three Republicans, and one Democrat who had viable cases against them.

167 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 10:56:03pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Which is why I don’t believe he’ll make a serious effort to be majority leader. He’s stated no intent to challenge McConnell for it, only said he won’t support him for the job. Way I figure it, he’ll let media speculation and base support for him to buck the leadership to do the work for him.

Then, between now and January, he’ll offer McConnell the same Faustian deal the Tea Party offered Boehner: Support for his ascension or at least a pledge not to openly oppose it, in exchange for allowing him and the other TP nutters an effective veto power over any bills the Senate may consider.

After all, why go through the trouble of being majority leader, and thus being the target for flak from both sides, when he can sit back and let McConnell be the obvious target while he pulls the strings behind the scenes?

Absolutely. Cruz is a showman. Majority/Minority Leader isn’t the goal for someone like him.

His opposition to McConnell, as you suggest, is just a sop to the TP to show that he is still the “most conservative” candidate in the 2016 race. It’s the position he’s been staking out all along. Occasionally McConnell says something reasonable like, “We probably can’t repeal Obamacare outright.” Cruz, always moving rightward, has to distance himself from such heresy.

168 goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2014 10:58:18pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

Also, with the exception of gun control I’m not sure what substantive policy differences Tester and Schumer even have. Whereas Cruz and Kirk are on opposite ends of gun control, gay marriage, abortion rights, unemployment benefits, raising the minimum wage, rights of unions to organize and of course ending the government shutdown.

169 Targetpractice  Nov 5, 2014 10:59:31pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Not much chance of McConnell taking THAT kind of deal:

Top Republicans: Get ready to make deals

The hammering sound you heard while reading that first sentence was the sound of Mitch McConnell nailing his colors to the mainmast.

I’ll believe it when I see it. After all, how many times did we get told that Boehner was gonna buck the Tea Party, only for them to threaten to toss him out as Speaker?

170 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 10:59:37pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Not much chance of McConnell taking THAT kind of deal:

Top Republicans: Get ready to make deals

The hammering sound you heard while reading that first sentence was the sound of Mitch McConnell nailing his colors to the mainmast.

Sounds like something written by Herman Melville.

You’re assuming McConnell has complete control of his caucus. And that the House will go along with whatever he wants. What makes you so sure there won’t be another gop tantrum calling for shutdown or default?

171 goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2014 11:08:53pm

re: #170 palomino

Sounds like something written by Herman Melville.

You’re assuming McConnell has complete control of his caucus. And that the House will go along with whatever he wants. What makes you so sure there won’t be another gop tantrum calling for shutdown or default?

Well, I’d say that most of them will remember how the last one went. However last time they didn’t remember how the 1995 shutdown went, so …

The obvious fear is that neither Cruz nor the GOP was really punished for their brinksmanship almost bringing the country to abject ruin. In fact you could say the mid term electorate, by and large being retards, rewarded them for it. And so like a dog to its vomit Cruz may well be willing and able to effectively rally another shutdown attempt.

172 Dark_Falcon  Nov 5, 2014 11:11:56pm

re: #170 palomino

Sounds like something written by Herman Melville.

You’re assuming McConnell has complete control of his caucus. And that the House will go along with whatever he wants. What makes you so sure there won’t be another gop tantrum calling for shutdown or default?

The House doesn’t to go along for McConnell to frustrate Cruz. And as for a tantrum, that’s why its better for McConnell to make his intentions clear right now, so that any rage boys will rage now and not later and while elected officials won’t want intra-party feuds spoiling the glow of their win.

173 Dark_Falcon  Nov 5, 2014 11:12:20pm

Good Night, All.

174 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Nov 5, 2014 11:12:56pm

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

The hammering sound you heard while reading that first sentence was the sound of Mitch McConnell nailing his colors to the mainmast.

“Ted, you’re either fascist or a conman, and you’re definitely a lunatic. You hate women, poor people, minorities, homosexuals—pretty much everyone who isn’t a middle-aged white man who operates an Christian-themed LLC and has a ‘In Case of Rapture, this care will be empty’ bumper sticker.

Your publicly held opinions spit upon the Bill of Rights and routinely demonstrate that you hold the entire process of democratic governance in contempt.

But you made the stock market go down, Do that again, and we’re going to have a throwdown about what this party stands for.”

175 The Ghost of a Flea (R)  Nov 5, 2014 11:14:10pm

re: #174 The Ghost of a Flea (R)

“Keep this up and I’ll make sure you get slightly less than everything you want.”

176 goddamnedfrank  Nov 5, 2014 11:16:11pm

The Democrats really dodged a bullet with the Scott Brown defeat. He may be an idiot, but he’s a genius by GOP standards, is actually attractive in a way that Ted Cruz will never be, and might actually be a real threat nationally if he could ever figure out how to win and stay in office.

177 palomino  Nov 5, 2014 11:17:23pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

The House doesn’t to go along for McConnell to frustrate Cruz. And as for a tantrum, that’s why its better for McConnell to make his intentions clear right now, so that any rage boys will rage now and not later and while elected officials won’t want intra-party feuds spoiling the glow of their win.

But the House does have to go along if there’s going to be any cooperation. And if shutdowns/defaults are to be avoided. There are a lot of fierce ideologues in your party. Especially of course in the House. Why do you think McConnell has such sway over them? He didn’t before, and neither did Boehner.

178 The Great Eye  Nov 5, 2014 11:21:14pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

The Democrats really dodged a bullet with the Scott Brown defeat. He may be an idiot, but he’s a genius by GOP standards, is actually attractive in a way that Ted Cruz will never be, and might actually be a real threat nationally if he could ever figure out how to win and stay in office.

The Boston Herald was weeping over Brown’s defeat, it was the headline of the front page. Brown’s the ultimate empty suit but he says what people want to hear and he had FOX news and all the right wing press here trying to drag him over the finish line. I am thrilled the carpetbagger stink was to much for him to overcome.

179 Snarknado!  Nov 5, 2014 11:26:17pm

re: #166 RadicalModerate

Ford: Outside of his pardon of Nixon (which he had the absolute right to do), nothing even approaching shady with him.

Beg to differ. Pardoning someone IN ADVANCE OF CHARGE, TRIAL OR CONVICTION is absurd, and has nothing to do with what’s in the Constitution. (Sorry for shouting, but this has pissed me off since it happened — and once one President did it, others followed.)

180 freetoken  Nov 5, 2014 11:31:40pm

This one goes out to Scott Brown:

MP3 Audio

181 klystron  Nov 5, 2014 11:31:57pm

Of course. We get this so of course there’s no such thing as climate change.

182 Viscous Obama  Nov 5, 2014 11:52:34pm

“The Republicans believe in the minimum wage — the more the minimum, the better.”

-Harry Truman

183 freetoken  Nov 6, 2014 12:02:32am

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184 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 2:12:50am

‘Morning, all.

The campout went badly. Some food-poison thing put me into an hour with face or ass in the toilet, so we never got into the tent.

Still, it was better than listening to another hour of “Woe Is Us” on the Intertubes.

185 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 2:16:49am

re: #184 Decatur Deb

‘Morning, all.

The campout went badly. Some food-poison thing put me into an hour with face or ass in the toilet, so we never got into the tent.

Still, it was better than listening to another hour of “Woe Is Us” on the Intertubes.

It was Obama’s fault! Impeach him!!

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186 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 2:33:04am

Silver spoons to some mouths, golden spoons to others,
Dare a man to change the given order.
Though they smile and tell us all of us are brothers,
Never was it true this side of Jordan.

Take off your old coat and roll up your sleeves,
Life is a hard road to travel, I believe.

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187 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 3:27:36am

Let not your heart be troubled.

Take all their sheep and goats. Burn their villages to the ground. It is as written!

188 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 3:30:12am

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Let not your heart be troubled.

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Take all their sheep and goats. Burn their villages to the ground. It is as written!

Little Todd needs to become somebody’s poster boy.

189 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 3:42:48am

re: #188 Decatur Deb

Little Todd needs to become somebody’s poster boy.

I made the mistake of perusing Twitter this evening. The usual suspects are really going over the top with their crowing about the elections. CCJ is all for having a one-party system, and Todd here wants some good old-fashioned Biblical scorched earth humiliation.

190 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 3:46:54am

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Let not your heart be troubled.

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Take all their sheep and goats. Burn their villages to the ground. It is as written!

Someone should tweet back “Please proceed…”

Alas, I doubt Toddy would get it.

191 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 3:51:33am

re: #190 William Barnett-Lewis

Someone should tweet back “Please proceed…”

Alas, I doubt Toddy would get it.

I sent this.

192 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 3:52:26am

Yeah. He won’t get it.

193 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 3:56:04am

re: #189 wheat-dogghazi-bola

I made the mistake of perusing Twitter this evening. The usual suspects are really going over the top with their crowing about the elections. CCJ is all for having a one-party system, and Todd here wants some good old-fashioned Biblical scorched earth humiliation.

Let them frolic. I’ve requested points of contact for the 2016 GOTV effort. Got the feeling I’m running late.

If you don’t like something, change it. If you can’t change it, change your attitude.
-Maya Angelou

194 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 4:03:58am

There should be a Facebook page widely disseminating Todd’s message and showing how important he is to the thinking of his state and national GOP. Could make him a star. He’d like that.

195 Timothy Watson  Nov 6, 2014 4:04:12am
196 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 4:05:23am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Let them frolic. I’ve requested points of contact for the 2016 GOTV effort. Got the feeling I’m running late.

If you don’t like something, change it. If you can’t change it, change your attitude.
-Maya Angelou

Their time will come, especially if they manage to fuck everything up during the next two years. There were reasons Clinton and Obama were elected, which the current crop of GOPlovers have forgotten.

197 Decatur Deb  Nov 6, 2014 4:06:35am

re: #196 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Their time will come, especially if they manage to fuck everything up during the next two years. There were reasons Clinton and Obama were elected, which the current crop of GOPlovers have forgotten.

Yes, but it’s not what they do, it’s what they are seen to do.

198 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 4:09:55am

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Yes, but it’s not what they do, it’s what they are seen to do.

True.

199 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 4:30:59am

re: #152 freetoken

“Opera is Dead” - WaPo

Well of course Opera is dead. Who even uses that browser anymore?

Oh were they talking about musical performances which is a play where everyone sings? Les Mis was pretty popular. Even if Russell Crowe can’t carry a tune in a bucket.

200 Mike Lamb  Nov 6, 2014 4:37:54am

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Not much chance of McConnell taking THAT kind of deal:

Top Republicans: Get ready to make deals

The hammering sound you heard while reading that first sentence was the sound of Mitch McConnell nailing his colors to the mainmast.

Boehner said the exact same things.

201 Dark_Falcon  Nov 6, 2014 4:42:08am

re: #187 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Let not your heart be troubled.

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Take all their sheep and goats. Burn their villages to the ground. It is as written!

202 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 6, 2014 4:43:58am

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

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I thought that politics was about winning people over to your side and that politics was about finding a solution, even if it involved some compromise.

But TPGOP politics is about slash and burn.

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 4:46:47am

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

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Careful DF they’ll excommunicated you for being sane.

204 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 4:48:59am

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

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Don’t waste your time responding to that shitbag. He wants the attentions.

205 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 4:50:00am

HURR HURR WE ELECTED MIA LOVE & TIM SCOT SO THAT PROVES WERE TOTALLY NOT RACIST!!!! DEMOCRAPS IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!!!!!

206 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 4:51:30am

HURR HURR WE ELECTED JONI ERNST SO WHOSE TEH SEXIST LIBTARDS!!!! DEMOCRAPS IS TEH REAL WAR ON WIMMENZ!!!! CHAPPAQUIDDITCH!!!!!!

207 Dark_Falcon  Nov 6, 2014 4:51:34am

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

Careful DF they’ll excommunicated you for being sane.

My conception of politics and religion has never been medieval, unlike Kincannon’s. He can’t excommunicate me from a church I’ve never belonged to.

208 Dark_Falcon  Nov 6, 2014 4:54:05am

re: #206 Vicious Piebola

HURR HURR WE ELECTED JONI ERNST SO WHOSE TEH SEXIST LIBTARDS!!!! DEMOCRAPS IS TEH REAL WAR ON WIMMENZ!!!! CHAPPAQUIDDITCH!!!!!!

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That’s funny because here in Illinois Republican Bruce Rauner won the women’s vote, with 54% of women voters voting for him.

209 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 5:26:10am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I thought that politics was about winning people over to your side and that politics was about finding a solution, even if it involved some compromise.

But TPGOP politics is about slash and burn.

TPGOP = SPQR. The Romans didn’t just defeat their enemies. They wiped them off the face of the earth, e.g., Carthage.

210 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 5:28:28am

re: #206 Vicious Piebola

The GOP is so masculine they are afraid of gay men and women with jobs.

211 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 5:29:18am

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

My conception of politics and religion has never been medieval, unlike Kincannon’s. He can’t excommunicate me from a church I’ve never belonged to.

Todd is not medieval. He harks back to the Bronze Age.

212 Eventual Carrion  Nov 6, 2014 5:55:12am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

She paid her premiums for that.

And I pay my premiums to help so when I need something it will work for me also. Hope compound is paying for his/her own way and not mooching off my investment in the insurance company for his own health. He/she can go ahead and handle the $200,000 plus if he needs any heart work for him/herself or loved ones, keep his/her fucking hands off my investment money if it wants to be a dick about it.

213 Lidane  Nov 6, 2014 5:55:49am
214 Lidane  Nov 6, 2014 5:59:44am
215 Lidane  Nov 6, 2014 6:02:44am

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

Careful DF they’ll excommunicated you for being sane.

Just wait until the GOP House and Senate start impeachment proceedings against POTUS just for waking up in the morning. That’s going to be fun.

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216 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 6, 2014 6:05:22am

Wait. Isn’t the House now supposed to be sane and firmly under Boehner’s control since the Senate won’t reliably (and on party lines) shoot down any wackadoodle bills that come their way?
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217 ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2014 6:07:09am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

Let them frolic. I’ve requested points of contact for the 2016 GOTV effort. Got the feeling I’m running late.

If you don’t like something, change it. If you can’t change it, change your attitude.
-Maya Angelou

Morning all.

Decatur Deb,
Sorry to hear you had a real UpChuck experience rather than the usual kind from Charles C. “Small” Johnson tweets.

That Maya Angelou quote is similar to some (bolded) lyrics in a The The song I always liked…”Lonely Planet” off of their great “Dusk” album. You cannot go wrong with Matt Johnson vocals (lyrics) and Johnny Marr guitar.

Lonely Planet Lyrics

Planet Earth is slowing down
Overseas, underground
Wherever you look around
Lord, take me by the hand
Lead me through these desert sands
To the shores of a promised land

You make me start when you look into my heart
And see me for who I really am

If you can’t change your world, change yourself
If you can’t change your world, change yourself
If you can’t change your world, change yourself
If you can’t change your world, change yourself

I didn’t care if the sun didn’t shine
And the rain didn’t fall from the sky
I just cared about myself
From this world to the next
And from the next back to this
By our actions we are bound

We’re running out of love
Running out of hate
Running out of space for the human race
Planet Earth is slowing down

You make me cry when you look into my eyes
And see me for who I really am

If you can’t change your world, change yourself
If you can’t change your world, change yourself
If you can’t change your world, change yourself
If you can’t change your world, change yourself

If you can’t change your world, change yourself
If you can’t change your world, change yourself
If you can’t change your world, change yourself
And if you can’t change yourself then change your world

I’m in love with the planet I’m standing on
I can’t stop, I can’t stop thinking of
All the people I’ve ever loved
All the people I have lost
All the people I’ll never know
All the feelings I’ve never shown.

The world’s too big and life’s too short
The world’s too big and life’s too short
The world’s too big and life’s too short
To be alone, to be alone

Check out the YouTube vid someone put up with many great landscape images. And it is a nice listen for a morning…especially a chilly and gloomy Ohio day. I’m gonna have to dog out my CD and play the whole thing again after this. It’s been too long since I listened to it.

Youtube Video

218 darthstar  Nov 6, 2014 6:12:32am
219 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 6, 2014 6:14:16am

Dirty Deed Done Dirt Cheap… But caught.

Phil Rudd of AC/DC under arrest for trying to arrange two killings.

220 Lidane  Nov 6, 2014 6:14:35am

re: #218 darthstar

221 Timothy Watson  Nov 6, 2014 6:16:15am

re: #218 darthstar

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Blazing Saddles:

Youtube Video

222 makeitstop  Nov 6, 2014 6:20:31am

re: #219 Indy GOP Refugee

Dirty Deed Done Dirt Cheap… But caught.

Phil Rudd of AC/DC under arrest for trying to arrange two killings.

That’s such a weird story. As if AC/DC hasn’t had a bad enough year already.

In other news, the wife and I went to see the lovely and talented Jenny Lewis in NYC last night. Terminal 5 was packed, and Jenny and the band were exceptional.

Youtube Video

223 Indy GOP Refugee  Nov 6, 2014 6:21:56am

re: #220 Lidane

Butt talking.

224 Lidane  Nov 6, 2014 6:22:07am
225 Varek Raith  Nov 6, 2014 6:23:07am

re: #224 Lidane

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Youtube Video

226 makeitstop  Nov 6, 2014 6:27:01am

re: #224 Lidane

GOP will see a “100-year-majority,” predicts NRCC chair

Haven’t we heard this before?

As much as they presume to hate Karl Rove, they sure do bite a lot of his material.

227 darthstar  Nov 6, 2014 6:27:59am
228 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 6:32:18am

re: #206 Vicious Piebola

HURR HURR WE ELECTED JONI ERNST SO WHOSE TEH SEXIST LIBTARDS!!!! DEMOCRAPS IS TEH REAL WAR ON WIMMENZ!!!! CHAPPAQUIDDITCH!!!!!!

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What’s with this “strong men” crapola? I’ve had discussions with conservative women who go on and on about how they like their men “strong” and not wusses like liberal men. I don’t get it. My dad, my brother, and my husband are all liberal and they are some of the strongest people I know. They are “manly.”

229 ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2014 6:34:08am

I was just going through this thread.

I just have to ask something.

In Chrysicat’s #re: #92 Chrysicat

She hopes “Stinky” doesn’t boot her.

Uh…is that a reference to Charles??? And if it is, is that cool around here? Maybe it is a term from the past that is allowed. Just wondering. Maybe I am missing something in the reference.

And I hope Chrysicat is feeling better today. At some time in everyone’s life they need to leave the nest. It is nature’s way.

230 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 6:34:24am

hmmm…

231 Franklin  Nov 6, 2014 6:34:36am

re: #228 Sionainn

What’s with this “strong men” crapola? I’ve had discussions with conservative women who go on and on about how they like their men “strong” and not wusses like liberal men. I don’t get it. My dad, my brother, and my husband are all liberal and they are some of the strongest people I know. They are “manly.”

C’mon. Just look at UpChuck, DimJim, Benny Shapiro. They are men among boys.

232 darthstar  Nov 6, 2014 6:34:37am

re: #206 Vicious Piebola

HURR HURR WE ELECTED JONI ERNST SO WHOSE TEH SEXIST LIBTARDS!!!! DEMOCRAPS IS TEH REAL WAR ON WIMMENZ!!!! CHAPPAQUIDDITCH!!!!!!

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233 Sionainn  Nov 6, 2014 6:35:11am

re: #231 Franklin

C’mon. Just look at UpChuck, DimJim, Benny Shapiro. They are men among boys.

Okay, that actually made me laugh!

234 makeitstop  Nov 6, 2014 6:40:33am

re: #229 ObserverArt

I was just going through this thread.

I just have to ask something.

In Chrysicat’s #

She hopes “Stinky” doesn’t boot her.

Uh…is that a reference to Charles??? And if it is, is that cool around here? Maybe it is a term from the past that is allowed. Just wondering. Maybe I am missing something in the reference.

And I hope Chrysicat is feeling better today. At some time in everyone’s life they need to leave the nest. It is nature’s way.

Stinky Beaumont - LGF Enforcer, AKA He Who Wields the Ban Hammer.

235 danarchy  Nov 6, 2014 6:40:39am

re: #229 ObserverArt

I was just going through this thread.

I just have to ask something.

In Chrysicat’s #

She hopes “Stinky” doesn’t boot her.

Uh…is that a reference to Charles??? And if it is, is that cool around here? Maybe it is a term from the past that is allowed. Just wondering. Maybe I am missing something in the reference.

Stinky Beaumont, Charles sort of alter ego who does the dirty work I believe.

236 darthstar  Nov 6, 2014 6:41:30am

Not just Putin, but Putin in a green thong.

237 darthstar  Nov 6, 2014 6:42:00am

Dog walkin’ time…laterz.

238 The War TARDIS  Nov 6, 2014 6:42:27am

Good news and bad news:

Good News. Things looking good for me getting a better paying job.

Bad News: The Lady in Iran did not do well on a test to study abroad. Without a means to get here on her own, she has broken off the relationship. Still friends.

239 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 6:45:14am

re: #238 The War TARDIS

Good news and bad news:

Good News. Things looking good for me getting a better paying job.

Bad News: The Lady in Iran did not do well on a test to study abroad. Without a means to get here on her own, she has broken off the relationship. Still friends.

The IELTS? Or the TOEFL?

240 The War TARDIS  Nov 6, 2014 6:45:34am

re: #239 wheat-dogghazi-bola

TOEFL

241 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 6:46:55am

Oh, Joy. My furnace has barfed once again and is only blowing cold air.

242 urbanmeemaw  Nov 6, 2014 6:47:10am

re: #3 klystron

I need more ideas, guys:

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This may be duplication (haven’t read all comments), but:

“Hope you won’t be lyin’ around for long”.

243 jamesfirecat  Nov 6, 2014 6:47:10am

re: #224 Lidane

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Why not a thousand?

244 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 6:47:23am

re: #241 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, Joy. My furnace has barfed once again and is only blowing cold air.

better quarantine it for ebola…

245 The War TARDIS  Nov 6, 2014 6:47:41am

re: #239 wheat-dogghazi-bola

I thought there was a chance this might happen, so I have been prepared. The issue now is finding someone in states. Last time I talked to someone in the states who was a Muslim in this regard, I got blocked after mentioning I was Autistic. :(

I should note that my political meltdown has been confined to here, my mom, and to one conservative friends. I have been able to contain it, if nothing else.

246 Flounder  Nov 6, 2014 6:47:47am

re: #241 William Barnett-Lewis

I will grab my hammer, be right over.

247 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 6:48:49am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

better quarantine it for ebola…

Thanks but I’ll just drink some 80 proof anti-freeze and huddle under the blankets till the emergency repair dude gets here. Again.

This will be the 7th or 8th service call on this furnace since June.

248 Interesting Times  Nov 6, 2014 6:48:52am

Good morning everyone.

Dead-thread denier just dropped a turd in aisle 3.

249 ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2014 6:49:59am

re: #235 danarchy

Stinky Beaumont, Charles sort of alter ego who does the dirty work I believe.

Ahhh. Thanks. I’m not sure I have ever caught the reference in my time here.

250 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 6:52:06am

re: #240 The War TARDIS

TOEFL

The speaking portion of the Internet TOEFL is kinda lame. You record a response on the ETS website and an examiner rates your speaking skills based on that sample. Also, the writing portion requires keyboarding in English, which is tough for test takers used to non-Roman writing systems.

The IELTS speaking test involves a conversation with a live person, and the writing portion requires pen and paper. I recommend my students take the IELTS, as most American universities and employers accept the scores as equivalent to TOEFL.

She shouldn’t give up, though. There are plenty of free resources online for both exams.

251 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 6:52:12am

The fun never ends in Kentucky:

252 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 6:54:45am

re: #251 Backwoods_Sleuth

The fun never ends in Kentucky:

Any idea why Jerry is stepping down as Lt. Gov.?

253 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 6:55:40am

re: #252 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Any idea why Jerry is stepping down as Lt. Gov.?

No idea, but if I had to guess I’d say family health-related.

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 6:56:45am

re: #252 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Any idea why Jerry is stepping down as Lt. Gov.?

Beshear has a presser in a few minutes. We’ll find out then.

255 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 6:57:17am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

No idea, but if I had to guess I’d say family health-related.

I hope not. Abramson was mayor for most of the time I was in Louisville (the “Mayor for Life” he was called then), and I grew to like the guy.

256 The War TARDIS  Nov 6, 2014 6:58:27am

Ok, talking to my Mom I did start crying.

Still, my last try in the US hurt really, really bad.

257 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 7:00:17am

What is this Brad Paisley outrageous outrage?

258 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 7:00:35am

re: #255 wheat-dogghazi-bola

I hope not. Abramson was mayor for most of the time I was in Louisville (the “Mayor for Life” he was called then), and I grew to like the guy.

Presser here:

Youtube Video

259 urbanmeemaw  Nov 6, 2014 7:02:06am

re: #127 psddluva4evah

Belated Happy Birthday! I’m glad you are enjoying your vacation.

260 NJDhockeyfan  Nov 6, 2014 7:04:11am
261 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 7:07:38am
262 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 7:08:09am
263 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 7:09:38am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

264 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 7:10:47am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ah, talk about a tough job, and a position long overdue. I wish him luck.

265 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 6, 2014 7:11:21am

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow. Didn’t expect that.

266 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 7:12:55am

hatchling still dropping turds:

littlegreenfootballs.com

267 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 6, 2014 7:13:04am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Long delayed awarding of that MoH.

His brother William sank an ironclad.
Wiki: William Cushing

268 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 7:14:10am

Abramson is smart and knows how to get things done. He’s a good choice, especially as Kynect has done so well.

He’s also a consummate politician. He’ll use this national exposure to work his way up the political ladder, mark my words.

269 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 7:15:15am

Apparently Stumbo should have been next in line to fill LtGov.
Fun times ahead, indeed.

270 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 7:15:47am

The wingnuts have taken the election of a couple of Black Republicans as a green light to spew unhinged racism.

271 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 6, 2014 7:16:49am

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Apparently Stumbo should have been next in line to fill LtGov.
Fun times ahead, indeed.

Used to coach with a guy from Prestonsburg. Lots of good Stumbo stories from him.

272 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 7:17:49am

re: #261 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There was a story on NPR about this when his award was announced. One of the usual suspect Neo-confederates whined about why none of their soldiers weren’t being awarded the medal of honor. I snapped that it was the way it should be as “traitors don’t get awards from the nation they betrayed.”. The reaction, pro & con, to that was entertaining.

273 Amory Blaine  Nov 6, 2014 7:26:10am

Root River Siren, a local blogger, has decided to say goodbye. Her farewell letter has a great point.

The Siren Casts A Fond Farewell

Four years ago, when Scott Walker was elected for the first time, the Siren came to ferry Wisconsin progressives through the rough waters of GOP domination. 1,445 posts later, the Siren’s job is complete.

We would have preferred to have bid you all a fond farewell with Mary Burke as our next Governor, but that result has eluded us. Whether fairly or unfairly, the world has gone mad. There is no doubt.

When a college drop-out with 6 friends and staff members found guilty of corruption wins against a Harvard graduate from a proud Wisconsin family with global name recognition - there is simply no amount of snark or cleverness to make sense of this reality.

274 makeitstop  Nov 6, 2014 7:26:57am

Is it a requirement that you have to be mentally unhinged and homophobic to become a pastor nowadays?

A New York pastor has warned that Starbucks coffees are flavoured with the “semen of sodomites”.

Coffee chain Starbucks recently launched a new ad campaign featuring two well-known drag artists - American Idol star Adore Delano and RuPaul’s Drag Race winner Bianca Del Rio.

Pastor James David Manning, of the ATLAH World Missionary Church in Harlem, claimed last week that Starbucks was “ground zero” for Ebola, which is being spread by “upscale sodomites”.

275 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 7:27:53am

re: #270 Vicious Piebola

The wingnuts have taken the election of a couple of Black Republicans as a green light to spew unhinged racism.

The equivalents of the house n*** in the old days.

And I am not saying this sarcastically.

276 ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2014 7:29:29am

re: #273 Amory Blaine

Root River Siren, a local blogger, has decided to say goodbye. Her farewell letter has a great point.

The Siren Casts A Fond Farewell

Ouch. Not that Walker will care. Hell, the whole idea with the GOP seems to be anti-intellectual, anti-progressive. All to the detriment to the country.

277 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 7:29:50am

re: #275 wheat-dogghazi-bola

The equivalents of the house n*** in the old days.

And I am not saying this sarcastically.

Tokens almost never realize how their being used until it’s too late. Just ask General Powell how that goes.

278 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 6, 2014 7:30:10am

re: #274 makeitstop

Is it a requirement that you have to be mentally unhinged and homophobic to become a pastor nowadays?

Saw a link in 08 about Manning. His “sermon” that I watched was filled with him calling then President Elect Obama a “Long legged Mack Daddy”. Hate filled POS, Manning is.

279 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 7:35:29am

and now the hatchling is downdinging everybody on that dead thread.

280 Snarknado!  Nov 6, 2014 7:37:43am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

and now the hatchling is downdinging everybody on that dead thread.

As CL said the other day, we need a better class of troll.

281 makeitstop  Nov 6, 2014 7:37:58am

re: #277 William Barnett-Lewis

Tokens almost never realize how their being used until it’s too late. Just ask General Powell how that goes.

My FB Wingnuts are waving them around like trophies.

282 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 7:38:58am

re: #280 Snarknado!

As CL said the other day, we need a better class of hatchling.

This one is worse than EdDantes and that former Gene McCarthy liberal turned glibertarian.

283 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 7:39:24am

re: #281 makeitstop

My FB Wingnuts are waving them around like trophies.

Shrunken heads

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 7:39:42am

re: #282 wheat-dogghazi-bola

This one is worse than EdDantes and that former Gene McCarthy liberal turned glibertarian.

This one is a freeper. Even uses the same name.

285 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 7:40:41am

re: #281 makeitstop

My FB Wingnuts are waving them around like trophies.

Yep, trophies and also shields against being called out for their unhinged racism.

286 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 6, 2014 7:40:44am
287 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 7:41:06am

re: #286 nearly-headless smith25

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heh…

288 Franklin  Nov 6, 2014 7:41:07am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

and now the hatchling is downdinging everybody on that dead thread.

Bastard downdinged my well thought out rebuttal in #72

289 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 7:41:56am

re: #284 Backwoods_Sleuth

This one is a freeper. Even uses the same name.

That explains the quality of his arguments. I’m not going to respond to his nonsense any further. It’s a lost cause, and I’m too far away to hit him in the head with a 2x4 to get his attention.

290 ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2014 7:43:47am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

and now the hatchling is downdinging everybody on that dead thread.

Such a meaningful exercise.

In stupidity.

That’ll show everybody…just how stupid.

/

291 BigPapa  Nov 6, 2014 7:44:30am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

and now the hatchling is downdinging everybody on that dead thread.

This is how I feel when I get Downdings from Dingalings:

292 ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2014 7:44:51am

re: #283 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Shrunken heads

…shrinking the damn threads.

293 BigPapa  Nov 6, 2014 7:44:52am
294 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 7:45:30am

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

and now the hatchling is downdinging everybody on that dead thread.

I shouldn’t enjoy jerking his chain so much, I know. It really is a sin (I am supposed to love all my neighbors as myself, according to my Lord) but damn why are some sins so enjoyable?

295 De Kolta Chair  Nov 6, 2014 7:47:09am

GOP spinner/shill Ron Christie was just interviewed on the local NPR station, WNYC, during which he called African-Americans “lazy and unmotivated.”

Shocking, I know.

For the record, wnyc.org

296 Franklin  Nov 6, 2014 7:48:14am

He’s gone full Oprah.

297 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 7:48:34am

re: #295 De Kolta Chair

GOP spinner/shill Ron Christie was just interviewed on the local NPR station, WNYC, during which he called African-Americans “lazy and unmotivated.”

Shocking, I know.

Yes. Wait here. I’ll get my “I’m totally surprised he would say such a thing face”. Be right back.

298 Amory Blaine  Nov 6, 2014 7:48:55am

Scott Walker victory opens doors for a new wave of conservative bills — and a presidential run

Emboldened by a decisive victory and expanded Republican majorities at the state Capitol, Gov. Scott Walker on Wednesday pushed for a new wave of conservative legislation and government overhauls as speculation heats up about him as a possible 2016 presidential contender.

Walker says he hopes to fast-track the state budget process, expand the taxpayer-funded school voucher program, require drug tests for those seeking food stamps and unemployment benefits, and continue income and property tax cuts.

“We’re going to be even more aggressive now,” Walker told members of his Cabinet on Wednesday at the Capitol. “Because I think we’ve got an even stronger ally in the Legislature.”

Yeehaw!!!

299 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 7:49:05am

re: #295 De Kolta Chair

GOP spinner/shill Ron Christie was just interviewed on the local NPR station, WNYC, during which he called African-Americans “lazy and unmotivated.”

wnyc.org

Shocking, I know.

Including those two who just got elected as Republicans? He needs to work on his team-building skills.

300 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 7:50:15am

re: #296 Franklin

He’s gone full Oprah.

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What I really wanted was a car. Delivery might be a problem, so I’ll take the cash equivalent. Kthxbai.

301 nines09  Nov 6, 2014 7:50:24am

re: #298 Amory Blaine

“The Mandate is in! The American people said “NO LUBE!!!!”

302 Interesting Times  Nov 6, 2014 7:53:11am

re: #298 Amory Blaine

Scott Walker victory opens doors for a new wave of conservative bills — and a presidential run

Yeehaw!!!

So when will Minnesota start building a wall along its border? :/

303 ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2014 7:54:01am

re: #291 BigPapa

This is how I feel when I get Downdings from Dingalings:

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You know, every time I see that image I wonder if Saharah “she of the desert brain” ever looks at it and says…”gawd, I sure look goofy.”

Of course, she is always looking goofy, so there is that constant.

And to think, when she burst onto the national scene there were many guys that said “damn, she’s hot” I guess I never saw her that way…and once that mouth opened…ugly came out all over. I wonder if the same guys think she is still hot?

304 Snarknado!  Nov 6, 2014 7:55:00am

re: #298 Amory Blaine

If he’s cutting everything, how does he pay for all those drug tests?

305 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 7:55:32am

Unhinged sexism going on in #FeministMovies

306 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 7:55:59am

Just because I need something much more pleasant to think of than Walker & co, I offer you a delightful Norwegian lass…

Youtube Video

307 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 7:57:01am

jeebus…I just had to hit the Report button on the hatchling…

308 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 7:57:04am

re: #301 nines09

“The Mandate is in! The American people said “NO LUBE!!!!”

So, those quasi-Spartan slogans should really be spelled Molon Lube.

309 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 7:57:10am

re: #295 De Kolta Chair

GOP spinner/shill Ron Christie was just interviewed on the local NPR station, WNYC, during which he called African-Americans “lazy and unmotivated.”

Shocking, I know.

For the record, wnyc.org

But I thought they were a big tent now that they elected Tim Scott and Mia Love.

310 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 7:57:17am

re: #302 Interesting Times

So when will Minnesota start building a wall along its border? :/

No “berlin wall” please, I need to have an escape route.

311 RealityBasedEbola  Nov 6, 2014 7:58:13am

re: #274 makeitstop

Is it a requirement that you have to be mentally unhinged and homophobic to become a pastor nowadays?

ah yes…. I posted something on that last week. He says that it’s a place where gays go to, and I quote, “exchange fluids”. All I can say, his local starbucks must be a lot different than mine.

RBS

312 ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2014 7:59:38am

Later Lizards…

Do you think all the updings will be gone by this evening?

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313 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 8:00:09am

re: #294 William Barnett-Lewis

I shouldn’t enjoy jerking his chain so much, I know. It really is a sin (I am supposed to love all my neighbors as myself, according to my Lord) but damn why are some sins so enjoyable?

The Holy Modal Rounders explained it long ago:
‘Cause there’s such a lot of good ways,
To go bad…

314 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 8:02:18am

Anyhow listened to NPR, two of the people there said Obama should not do the immigration reform because it would make things bad with the gop the next two years. My response is A) that well was already poisoned and B) I think he owes it after not acting before.

315 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Nov 6, 2014 8:05:16am

re: #311 RealityBasedEbola

ah yes…. I posted something on that last week. He says that it’s a place where gays go to, and I quote, “exchange fluids”. All I can say, his local starbucks must be a lot different than mine.

RBS

Shit, most places in NYC, you can just cross the street and hit another SB.

316 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 8:06:59am

Really though I think Obama’s working relationship with the GOPers in Congress was doomed from August 2008. They have always hated him and the base hates him and any idea of working eith him even more. I think alot of Congressional Democrats too resented him for beating Clinton im the primaries.

317 Rev_Arthur_Ebolaing  Nov 6, 2014 8:10:37am

Rauner is horrible. I’m struggling to come to grips with the fact that the GOP has followed me north!

318 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 6, 2014 8:11:06am

re: #37 Kragar

Am I the only person who really doesn’t give a flying fuck who pulled the trigger when they took out Bin Laden?

The entire Seal ethos is that everyone involved in the raid helped kill OBL, the guy who pulled the trigger would not have been in a position to do so without their help.

319 Amory Blaine  Nov 6, 2014 8:11:14am

re: #304 Snarknado!

If he’s cutting everything, how does he pay for all those drug tests?

I would guess he’ll just take it out of teacher compensation.

320 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 8:12:11am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Anyhow listened to NPR, two of the people there said Obama should not do the immigration reform because it would make things bad with the gop the next two years. My response is A) that well was already poisoned and B) I think he owes it after not acting before.

Why do Democrats do these things? The xenophobes weren’t going to vote for our candidates anyway, It seems to me that Obama’s punt on immigration simply validated the views of the xenophobes and disheartened our friends. All politics is local,” and elections often hang on “What have you done for me lately?” In the case of immigration the answer is “Not much.”

321 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 6, 2014 8:14:35am

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

The thing about white older Americans especially is that most of them honestly don’t think they’re racist. They are of course incredibly racist, in large part because of this inability, this refusal to identify and acknowledge the natural prejudice that pretty much everyone has. We are products of our environment, everyone has past experiences that shapes their perceptions. Everyone has some fucked up ideas that creep in periodically, the options are to either acknowledge and try to deal with them intellectually or to live in reflexive denial. The problem with older white conservatives is that dealing with your own shit requires introspection, and applying that back to how one views people different from them requires empathy, two things they’re generally not good at.

We are hardwired by Evolution (which many of them deny) to be suspicious and wary of any sort of “outsider”. And yes, it takes a great deal of thought and introspection to keep this instinct from shaping our actions. But when you have a whole political party whose policies are shaped by these views, it is a lot easier to deny that you are acting on them.

322 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 6, 2014 8:18:46am

re: #310 William Barnett-Lewis

No “berlin wall” please, I need to have an escape route.

They’re hollowing out a few very large cheddars to be used for smuggling liberals over the state line.
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323 makeitstop  Nov 6, 2014 8:20:15am

re: #315 wheat-dogghazi-bola

Shit, most places in NYC, you can just cross the street and hit another SB.

I don’t know if it still exists, but there was a block of Bowery over by NYU that once had three Starbucks on it.

And I still never bought one.

324 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 6, 2014 8:21:41am

re: #320 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why do Democrats do these things? The xenophobes weren’t going to vote for our candidates anyway, It seems to me that Obama’s punt on immigration simply validated the views of the xenophobes and disheartened our friends. All politics is local,” and elections often hang on “What have you done for me lately?” In the case of immigration the answer is “Not much.”

That’s the same argument they used in the past year in that if Obama acted they would be adversely affected in the just past elections. And then they ran *away* from Obama anyways. And lost to boot.

Textbook definition of insanity applies to the Democrats as well. They just won’t learn that pandering to the insane rightwing base will not help them keep office.

325 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Nov 6, 2014 8:29:26am

re: #227 darthstar

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Sometimes even professionals make this mistake:

326 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 8:30:03am

re: #324 Feline Fearless Leader

That’s the same argument they used in the past year in that if Obama acted they would be adversely affected in the just past elections. And then they ran *away* from Obama anyways. And lost to boot.

Textbook definition of insanity applies to the Democrats as well. They just won’t learn that pandering to the insane rightwing base will not help them keep office.

People tend to vote more for pols who stand for something. The Republicans stand for many things that I consider execrable, but they usually stand for them rain or shine. When Democrats fail to stand by their own president then I doubt that they’ll stand by me.

327 Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 6, 2014 8:36:45am
328 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 8:45:34am

re: #181 klystron

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We’ve had more 80+ degree days here on the Central Coast than I ever remember, and today, tomorrow, and the next day and the next will be the same.

We used to get fog May-June. No more. I haven’t seen a foggy day in over a year.

329 EbolaSpotinAL  Nov 6, 2014 8:49:53am

re: #311 RealityBasedEbola

ah yes…. I posted something on that last week. He says that it’s a place where gays go to, and I quote, “exchange fluids”. All I can say, his local starbucks must be a lot different than mine.

RBS

Maybe he meets up with Larry Craig in the Starbucks bathroom.

330 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 8:52:06am

re: #311 RealityBasedEbola

ah yes…. I posted something on that last week. He says that it’s a place where gays go to, and I quote, “exchange fluids”. All I can say, his local starbucks must be a lot different than mine.

RBS

When a barista hands a cup of coffee to a customer, that’s an “exchange of fluids”

331 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 6, 2014 8:54:00am

re: #127 psddluva4evah

Happy birthday! :)

332 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 8:54:18am

Ah, forgive me father, but yanking that troll’s chain was an awful lot of fun.

333 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 8:57:27am

Some crazy that happened Tuesday that you might have missed.

Arizona looks to Bundy Ranch: New amendment lets lawmakers defy federal law

Arizona’s “state sovereignty” bill, Proposition 122, was narrowly approved by voters on Tuesday, but law professors are warning the state that it’s blatantly unconstitutional and will encourage lawmakers to violate federal law, KPHO reports.

Proposition 122 authorizes state lawmakers to ignore any federal law that they deem to be unconstitutional.

rawstory.com

And this is just the beginning.

334 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 6, 2014 8:58:13am

re: #332 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, forgive me father, but yanking that troll’s chain was an awful lot of fun.

There was another one?

335 Lidane  Nov 6, 2014 8:59:13am

re: #333 Skip Intro

These “sovereign state/citizen” dipshits need to finally accept the fact that they lost this argument forever in 1865. No amount of tap dancing and cute legislative tricks is going to change that.

336 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 9:00:56am

re: #335 Lidane

These “sovereign state/citizen” dipshits need to finally accept the fact that they lost this argument forever in 1865. No amount of tap dancing and cute legislative tricks is going to change that.

Arizona isn’t going to be the only state to try this. Hope the people in these states have deep pockets to pay the cost of litigation.

337 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak  Nov 6, 2014 9:02:41am

Never mind, I see the troll.

338 nearly-headless smith25  Nov 6, 2014 9:05:35am

re: #333 Skip Intro

Some crazy that happened Tuesday that you might have missed.

Arizona looks to Bundy Ranch: New amendment lets lawmakers defy federal law

rawstory.com

And this is just the beginning.

Oh damn, didn’t realize it passed.

339 makeitstop  Nov 6, 2014 9:07:30am

re: #333 Skip Intro

Some crazy that happened Tuesday that you might have missed.

Arizona looks to Bundy Ranch: New amendment lets lawmakers defy federal law

rawstory.com

And this is just the beginning.

And of course, it will only be used when Democratic presidents hold office.

340 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 9:08:56am

re: #336 Skip Intro

Arizona isn’t going to be the only state to try this. Hope the people in these states have deep pockets to pay the cost of litigation.

Yet that’s the point of this endeavor, getting it taken to the Nine Wise Souls in an effort to force a change to federal laws.

341 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 6, 2014 9:09:06am

re: #339 makeitstop

And of course, it will only be used when Democratic presidents hold office.

It would even be used against a GOP President if he is not ideologically pure enough. This is serious loose-cannon shit.

342 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 9:13:28am

re: #334 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

There was another one?

Downstairs doing the dead thread thing w/ climate change denial.

343 ObserverArt  Nov 6, 2014 9:17:06am

I just logged back in to ask something I was going to ask earlier.

Has anyone heard anything from Debbie Wasserman Schultz? Or, is she in hiding…changing her appearance…or packing her bags?

As a matter of fact, I really haven’t seen much of her in a month or so.

344 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 9:17:10am

re: #320 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Why do Democrats do these things? The xenophobes weren’t going to vote for our candidates anyway, It seems to me that Obama’s punt on immigration simply validated the views of the xenophobes and disheartened our friends. All politics is local,” and elections often hang on “What have you done for me lately?” In the case of immigration the answer is “Not much.”

That’s what I would tell Potus if I were an adviser:
“listen, Mr. President, this is a popular issue with everyone who isn’t a nut and not only that but you will gain toms of goodwill with immigrant communities.” But politicans are foolish too often.

345 Vicious Piebola  Nov 6, 2014 9:17:47am

Janie is just a fountain of unhinged racism today. When she attacks the Poors for being poor she has a distinct subset of poor people in mind.

346 Charles Johnson  Nov 6, 2014 9:19:20am
347 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 9:19:27am

re: #333 Skip Intro

Proponents of the GOP-backed Senate resolution, including Governor-elect Doug Ducey and Attorney General Elect Mark Brnovich, claimed that “many federal programs cost Arizona more than the state receives from the federal government. Prop 122 creates a way for the state to evaluate these programs and determine what makes sense for Arizona’s taxpayers. It won’t stop Washington from passing new laws, rules and regulations, but it can at least force them to pay their own bills.”

My heart would bleed for them, a little, if Arizona wasn’t getting $1.62 in federal spending for every dollar of federal taxes paid. I am confident that this resolution is a high minded assertion of states’ rights rather than, say, a prelude to land and resource grabs

Arizona: The Freeloader State

348 Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2014 9:20:20am

re: #333 Skip Intro

Some crazy that happened Tuesday that you might have missed.

Arizona looks to Bundy Ranch: New amendment lets lawmakers defy federal law

rawstory.com

And this is just the beginning.

This is the type of shit that happens when sensible voters ignore midterm elections.

349 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 9:20:59am

re: #347 Higgs Boson’s Mate

My heart would bleed for them, a little, if Arizona wasn’t getting $1.62 in federal spending for every dollar of federal taxes paid. I am confident that this resolution is a high minded assertion of states’ rights rather than, say, a prelude to land and resource grabs

Arizona: The Freeloader State

So many states are like this. Full with whiners about the horrible feds yet kept afloat by them. The worst offender is Alaska Imo.

350 Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2014 9:22:51am

re: #349 HappyWarrior

So many states are like this. Full with whiners about the horrible feds yet kept afloat by them. The worst offender is Alaska Imo.

Yup. Texas is one of the worst offender/freeloader as well.

Edit: I stand corrected; Texas is in the middle of the pack according to this ranking: wallethub.com

351 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 9:23:25am

John C Calhoun would be pleased to see his retrograde ideology popular in the 21st century.

352 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 9:23:57am

re: #341 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It would even be used against a GOP President if he is not ideologically pure enough. This is serious loose-cannon shit.

Backed by the Governor elect and AZ A.G.

353 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 9:25:55am

re: #350 Dr. Matt

Yup. Texas is one of the worst offender/freeloader as well.

Yep. And let me also bring up the wealthy businessmen who bitch about the feds but never met a federal subsidy they didn’t like. It’s the hypocrisy, stupid.

354 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 9:27:42am

One of the main bitches I hear from Arizona concerns the amount of land owned by the fed. I have a solution: sell every last square foot of federal land in Arizona not being used for parks or by the military to the ACLU for one dollar.
Problem solved.

355 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 6, 2014 9:27:57am

re: #352 Skip Intro

Backed by the Governor elect and AZ A.G.

My ex-girlfriend (of over 30 years ago) is as asst AG in Arizona, one of the major architects of anti-gay marriage legislation. I am sure she feels terribly inspired by it all.

356 danarchy  Nov 6, 2014 9:28:46am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Anyhow listened to NPR, two of the people there said Obama should not do the immigration reform because it would make things bad with the gop the next two years. My response is A) that well was already poisoned and B) I think he owes it after not acting before.

I tend to agree that Obama shouldn’t do immigration reform through executive action. He said himself not that long ago that he didn’t have the constitutional authority to do so and anything he does will necessarily have to either skirt the line of constitutionality or go right over, and second, anything that one president does through executive action can just as easily be undone by the next president.

If I was an undocumented immigrant and a president who was not going to be president in two years gave me some sort of legal cover to come out of the shadows, but I knew the next guy could just as easily revoke that status and use the list of folks who came forward as a checklist for deportation, I would be very wary of coming out of the shadows.

357 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 6, 2014 9:29:00am

re: #354 Higgs Boson’s Mate

One of the main bitches I hear from Arizona concerns the amount of land owned by the fed. I have a solution: sell every last square foot of federal land in Arizona not being used for parks or by the military to the ACLU highest bidder for one dollar.

Problem solved.

that is what the GOP wants

358 allegro  Nov 6, 2014 9:29:12am

re: #350 Dr. Matt

Yup. Texas is one of the worst offender/freeloader as well.

I knew someone would make this claim. Not true, actually. Texas gets back less than it contributes: .94 for every dollar.

359 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 9:30:43am

re: #356 danarchy

I tend to agree that Obama shouldn’t do immigration reform through executive action. He said himself not that long ago that he didn’t have the constitutional authority to do so and anything he does will necessarily have to either skirt the line of constitutionality or go right over, and second, anything that one president does through executive action can just as easily be undone by the next president.

If I was an undocumented immigrant and a president who was not going to be president in two years gave me some sort of legal cover to come out of the shadows, but I knew the next guy could just as easily revoke that status and use the list of folks who came forward as a checklist for deportation, I would be very wary of coming out of the shadows.

Fair points that I admit not thinking about. It all sucks though. The whole situation Obama is in that is.

360 Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2014 9:31:27am

re: #358 allegro

I knew someone would make this claim. Not true, actually. Texas gets back less than it contributes: .94 for every dollar.

Go back to my post. …..you’re welcome….

361 allegro  Nov 6, 2014 9:33:49am

re: #360 Dr. Matt

Go back to my post. …..you’re welcome….

Wut?

362 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 9:34:31am

re: #361 allegro

Wut?

I missed something here too…

363 Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2014 9:34:59am

re: #361 allegro

Which word did you not understand: “Go back to my post”?

364 Varek Raith  Nov 6, 2014 9:35:02am

re: #361 allegro

re: #362 William Barnett-Lewis

He edited his post with corrected info.

365 Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2014 9:35:55am

I’ll even help you out: re: #350 Dr. Matt

366 Varek Raith  Nov 6, 2014 9:36:29am

re: #365 Dr. Matt

Chill, man.

367 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 6, 2014 9:36:37am

re: #333 Skip Intro

Some crazy that happened Tuesday that you might have missed.

Arizona looks to Bundy Ranch: New amendment lets lawmakers defy federal law

rawstory.com

And this is just the beginning.

BLM should simply stop issuing or renewing access licenses in any state that starts passing laws like that. One approach to the situation is to show the rest of the barrel of apples that the bad ones will cause them a lot of pain.

And at its base society works from coercion by peers.

369 Dr. Matt  Nov 6, 2014 9:36:54am

re: #366 Varek Raith

Chill, man.

I am, man. Quite, man.

370 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 9:37:49am

re: #356 danarchy

Good points and I know that executive orders would enable Obama to do little more than tinker around the edges of immigration reform. That said, I believe that the gesture would have carried weight. If Obama felt that the game wasn’t worth the candle then he shouldn’t have even mentioned it in the first place - let alone announcing that he would defer whatever action he could take until after the election.

371 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 6, 2014 9:44:12am

re: #370 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Good points and I know that executive orders would enable Obama to do little more than tinker around the edges of immigration reform. That said, I believe that the gesture would have carried weight. If Obama felt that the game wasn’t worth the candle then he shouldn’t have even mentioned it in the first place - let alone announcing that he would defer whatever action he could take until after the election.

Obama listened to the Dems who feared that immigration action would backlash on their reelection campaigns. Which appears to have been a mistake since there is little to no chance for a meaningful bill to be passed while he is in office.

372 Patricia Kayden  Nov 6, 2014 9:47:31am

re: #68 Backwoods_Sleuth

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How are Libertarians different from Republicans? (Rhetorical question).

373 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Nov 6, 2014 9:50:13am

re: #372 Patricia Kayden

How are Libertarians different from Republicans? (Rhetorical question).

no, they are less concerned with government restrictions on abortion, contraception, or gay marriage. but they are perfectly happy to let corporations impose those values on employees and customers.

374 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 9:52:12am

re: #371 Feline Fearless Leader

Obama listened to the Dems who feared that immigration action would backlash on their reelection campaigns. Which appears to have been a mistake since there is little to no chance for a meaningful bill to be passed while he is in office.

Who knows how much shit he held off on doing this past year because of worry that it might hurt Dem chances at the polls? How many times he was ready to pull the trigger, but at the last second held off because this tight race or that one seemed to call for restraint rather than bold initiative?

375 klystron  Nov 6, 2014 9:57:20am

Ok, one last shot for the morning folks. Help me out here, Lizards! I still haven’t got the perfect one yet!

376 jamesfirecat  Nov 6, 2014 9:58:41am

re: #375 klystron

Ok, one last shot for the morning folks. Help me out here, Lizards! I still haven’t got the perfect one yet!

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I iz sad u spend so much time lion around.

377 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 9:59:40am

re: #371 Feline Fearless Leader

Obama listened to the Dems who feared that immigration action would backlash on their reelection campaigns. Which appears to have been a mistake since there is little to no chance for a meaningful bill to be passed while he is in office.

Our opponents stand four-square and unashamedly for for conservative assholery and their voters turn out. Wonder what would happen if our pols stood four-square and unashamedly for liberal values. The way things are going, we’ll never know, will we?

378 iossarian  Nov 6, 2014 10:03:04am

re: #375 klystron

Ok, one last shot for the morning folks. Help me out here, Lizards! I still haven’t got the perfect one yet!

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Wake me up for the mane event?

Very wordplay
Such pun

379 iossarian  Nov 6, 2014 10:03:40am

re: #378 iossarian

Ah pimp mah page:

Wake me up for the mane event?

Very wordplay
Such pun

HEY IOSSARIAN, YOUR PUNS ARE AS STALE AS YOUR MEMES

380 iossarian  Nov 6, 2014 10:05:06am

OK, ah pimp mah page for real now:

littlegreenfootballs.com

A seriously interesting piece of investigative journalism by the Guardian. There’s a reason we need paid journalists as well as an insightful blogetariat.

381 jamesfirecat  Nov 6, 2014 10:05:47am

re: #379 iossarian

HEY IOSSARIAN, YOUR PUNS ARE AS STALE AS YOUR MEMES

Image: 25607f74f081aec81a29d2e5d5ab6034aca1de7655cae0c4396888c8d6dfa0be.jpg

Sorry, I don’t recall how we imbed images today…

382 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 10:05:49am

In the category “Who gives a rat’s ass?”

Eric Cantor Is Bummed Obama Didn’t Call Him After Primary Loss

383 iossarian  Nov 6, 2014 10:07:11am

re: #381 jamesfirecat

Image: 25607f74f081aec81a29d2e5d5ab6034aca1de7655cae0c4396888c8d6dfa0be.jpg

Such meta
Amaze

384 Lidane  Nov 6, 2014 10:07:40am

Someone please remind Tucker that Obama is POTUS until January 2017:

385 Skip Intro  Nov 6, 2014 10:07:58am

Just a question here. Have we defeated ISIS? Has an Ebola vaccine been created and administered to everyone in the US?

I only ask because these topics have completely disappeared from the “news” and I’m thinking I must have missed something.

386 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:08:52am

re: #382 BeachDem

In the category “Who gives a rat’s ass?”

Eric Cantor Is Bummed Obama Didn’t Call Him After Primary Loss

Obstructionist loser says what.

387 Targetpractice  Nov 6, 2014 10:09:33am

re: #385 Skip Intro

Just a question here. Have we defeated ISIS? Has an Ebola vaccine been created and administered to everyone in the US?

I only ask because these topics have completely disappeared from the “news” and I’m thinking I must have missed something.

They’ve served their purpose, which was to scare the everloving shit out of voters so as to get them to the polls to vote for Republicans who promised to “protect” them.

388 HappyWarrior  Nov 6, 2014 10:10:26am

re: #384 Lidane

Someone please remind Tucker that Obama is POTUS until January 2017:

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cry bowtie fuckwad cry

389 allegro  Nov 6, 2014 10:11:07am

re: #382 BeachDem

In the category “Who gives a rat’s ass?”

Eric Cantor Is Bummed Obama Didn’t Call Him After Primary Loss

Did Eric think Obama was his black friend?

390 William Barnett-Lewis  Nov 6, 2014 10:12:36am

re: #375 klystron

Ok, one last shot for the morning folks. Help me out here, Lizards! I still haven’t got the perfect one yet!

[Embedded content]

You _really_ don’t want to poke me again…

391 Higgs Boson's Mate  Nov 6, 2014 10:13:08am

re: #387 Targetpractice

They’ve served their purpose, which was to scare the everloving shit out of voters so as to get them to the polls to vote for Republicans who promised to “protect” them.

See? It worked: Republicans were elected and the Ebola threat disappeared.

392 danarchy  Nov 6, 2014 10:14:51am

re: #385 Skip Intro

Just a question here. Have we defeated ISIS? Has an Ebola vaccine been created and administered to everyone in the US?

I only ask because these topics have completely disappeared from the “news” and I’m thinking I must have missed something.

Eh, the media got a shiny new topic to beat to death. Once the election is old news they will resurrect ebola and isis.

393 Kragar  Nov 6, 2014 10:16:35am

4 days into the use of a new network security system and management wonders why there are still bugs.

Because fuck you, that is why.

394 BeachDem  Nov 6, 2014 10:23:12am

re: #387 Targetpractice

They’ve served their purpose, which was to scare the everloving shit out of voters so as to get them to the polls to vote for Republicans who promised to “protect” them.

Which brings me to—George Lakoff has put out a new edition of “Don’t Think of an Elephant.” I think it should be required reading for every Democrat, from elected officials on down. (I have an older version on my tablet, bookmarked at strategic points!)

The strategists also keep suggesting a move to right. This has left no room for the Democrats to have an overriding authentic moral identity that Americans can recognize.

Those strategists form an infrastructure that all Democrats have come to depend on; not just the candidates, but also the elected officials, Democrats in government, and citizens who either do, or might, find progressive policies morally and practically right. The strategic infrastructure includes PR firms, pollsters, consultants, researchers, trainers, communication specialists, speechwriters, and their funders.

It is an important and powerful infrastructure and we all depend on it. I believe it is vital to separate this infrastructure from the strategies it has been using. I believe the strategies can be greatly improved so as to give a true, deep, and moral picture of what progressive politics is about — one whose content and authenticity will resonate with, and inspire, a majority of Americans.

dailykos.com

395 EPR-radar  Nov 6, 2014 10:30:44am

re: #165 Dark_Falcon

Not much chance of McConnell taking THAT kind of deal:

Top Republicans: Get ready to make deals

The hammering sound you heard while reading that first sentence was the sound of Mitch McConnell nailing his colors to the mainmast.

McConnell can do what he wants, of course, but how much traction will dealing with Democrats really have for Republicans in Congress?

After all, many more GOP Representatives and Senators face a credible threat of being primaried from the right than face competitive general elections. Anything that leadership proposes that is seen as not being in members’ self-interest is going to be DOA.

396 Feline Fearless Leader  Nov 6, 2014 10:43:59am

re: #375 klystron

SENDZ HAPPY TH0TS TO U


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