Video: A Master Class in Logo Design From Aaron Draplin

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As a graphic design geek from way back, I thoroughly enjoyed this short documentary about the creative process of a true maestro.

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Most logos aren’t designed in fifteen minutes, but most designers aren’t Aaron Draplin. Aaron’s a Portland fixture by way of the Midwest, the owner of Draplin Design Co., and an advocate of “blue collar” design: design that works. Here he takes our logo design challenge, creating a dozen iterations of a logo for a fictional construction company. Not inspired? Just wait. Watch as he sketches, brings his ideas into Illustrator, and tests and tunes the different iterations. The logos Aaron creates prove design can elevate any company or brand. Along the way, he provides tips for freelancing, finding inspiration, and providing clients context for logos that won’t just live in PDFs.

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446 comments
1 Rev_Arthur_Icantbreatheing  Dec 20, 2014 7:09:06pm

Charles, can you shut off the auto-play Colbert video? Asking for a friend.

2 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 7:09:42pm
3 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 7:20:19pm

Sweet vid:
Fresh Guacamole by PES

4 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 7:21:16pm

That was pretty educational. I want somebody to do up a logo for Two Cats Pens. I was thinking of hiring some of the students at the local art collage, I’m not a good design person.

It’s always a joy to watch anybody who is really good at doing a creative thing, and really enjoys what he does. This made me smile.

RBS

5 TedStriker  Dec 20, 2014 7:21:41pm

re: #2 #FergusonFireside

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And, unsurprisingly, the comments in that story are a fucking sewer.

6 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 7:25:39pm

re: #2 #FergusonFireside

Really crazy shit goin’ on. Police departments that see themselves as enemies of the communities they’re supposed to be protecting.

7 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 7:28:46pm

Oy, crazy day!

Hello Sergey.

8 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 7:30:34pm

re: #7 Gus

Hey, Gus.

9 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 7:32:11pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Really crazy shit goin’ on. Police departments that see themselves as enemies of the communities they’re supposed to be protecting.

A whole lot of PDs need to be torn down and rebuilt.

10 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 7:32:25pm

re: #7 Gus

How have you been? How are things?

11 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 7:32:27pm

re: #8 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Hey, Gus.

How’s life?

12 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 7:32:48pm

re: #11 Gus

Can’t complain :)

13 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 7:33:00pm

re: #10 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

How have you been? How are things?

Same. Maybe mumble, mumble worse on some things. Still breathing! :D

14 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 20, 2014 7:34:20pm

re: #5 TedStriker

And, unsurprisingly, the comments in that story are a fucking sewer.

Watching numerous videos on the subject of 3D modeling has led me to never, ever, read the comments on any item - no matter how noncontroversial it may seem. There is no topic that’s immune from the myriads of psychos.

15 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 7:34:41pm

re: #13 Gus

Same. Maybe mumble, mumble worse on some things. Still breathing! :D

“I’m not dead!” ;)

16 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 20, 2014 7:35:14pm

Glad you’re here.

17 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 7:35:31pm

Thanks. Came back last night.

18 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 7:35:58pm

Gun culture.

19 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 7:36:13pm

re: #17 Gus

Thanks. Came back last night.

For a while there I thought you lost your key to the front door.

20 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 7:37:16pm

re: #19 b_sharp

For a while there I thought you lost your key to the front door.

Came in through the bathroom window.

21 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 7:37:20pm

Bah humbug was me this year. Did not put up my tree.

Well, guilt has taken over. I’m hanging lights on patio.

22 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 7:38:03pm

re: #21 #FergusonFireside

Bah humbug was me this year. Did not put up my tree.

Well, guilt has taken over. I’m hanging lights on patio.

but that’s it.

23 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 7:39:02pm

Also. Muslims or something. This got the idiot to trend.

24 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 7:39:16pm

re: #20 Gus

Came in through the bathroom window.

I’ve been meaning to fix that window lock.

25 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 7:42:31pm

re: #23 Gus

Also. Muslims or something. This got the idiot to trend.

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So, Stacey - when that wingnut killed 3 cops in Pgh in 2009 because Obama was coming for his guns, did you insist that Wayne LaPierre be held accountable?

26 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 7:43:00pm

re: #23 Gus

Also. Muslims or something. This got the idiot to trend.

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27 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 7:48:22pm

re: #26 Kragar

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Another case of talking to a wall. Can’t negotiate with these people.

28 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 20, 2014 7:51:09pm

re: #20 Gus

Came in through the bathroom window.

“Sunday’s on the phone to Monday
Tuesday’s on the phone to me.”

Lennon/McCartney

29 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 7:51:13pm

re: #22 #FergusonFireside

but that’s it.

And done.

30 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 7:52:17pm

Two white anti-government nutters shoot two cops in Las Vegas: “LONE WOLVES!!”

One black nutter shoots two cops: “JIHAD ON COPS! SHARPTON AND DE BLASIO TO BLAME!! BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!!!”

Yegods.

31 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 7:58:35pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

Two white anti-government nutters shoot two cops in Las Vegas: “LONE WOLVES!!”

One black nutter shoots two cops: “JIHAD ON COPS! SHARPTON AND DE BLASIO TO BLAME!! BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!!!”

Yegods.

32 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 7:59:40pm

re: #30 Targetpractice

Two white anti-government nutters shoot two cops in Las Vegas: “LONE WOLVES!!”

One black nutter shoots two cops: “JIHAD ON COPS! SHARPTON AND DE BLASIO TO BLAME!! BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS!!!”

Yegods.

yegods for sure. It shows the deep seated racism, right out there.

33 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 8:00:55pm

I just had the weirdest thing happen. I’ve heard about how water can get superheated in the microwave and not boil, but had never seen it. I was going to boil a cup of water just now for some tea, and it didn’t boil in the usual time, figured I had mis-hit the keypad, gave it another minute, and as I was watching, it suddenly “exploded” in the cup, 3/4ers of the water splattered all over the microwave.

I did another cup, this time I put a lexan spoon in it, so it had something for the microbubbles to form on. I thought that only happened with super purified water in a spotless container. This was water from my tap and a pyrex measuring cup that was clean, but by no means “Class 5 Clean Room” clean.

I think if I had just reached in after the usual time and grabbed the cup, it could have been a bad evening for RBS.

Anybody else experience this???

RBS

34 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 8:02:35pm

Results for nypd muslim

Browse at your own risk.

35 Charles Johnson  Dec 20, 2014 8:03:42pm

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

Don’t mess with super-heated water. It will kick your ass.

36 Jenner7  Dec 20, 2014 8:05:28pm

If only those cops who turned their backs on the Mayor, had turned their backs on the cop who killed Eric Garner…

37 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 8:07:46pm

re: #34 Gus

Results for nypd muslim

Browse at your own risk.

38 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 8:09:38pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Don’t mess with super-heated water. It will kick your ass.

That scared the hell out of me. I think when I get back, I’m going to get one of those stand-alone kettles to boil water with.

RBS

39 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 8:09:56pm

Remember when only folks in publishing knew what fonts and typefaces were? Or points and picas? Well, maybe the pica remains obscure. But anyway, Democracy — bah humbug!

Signed, a bitter old Elitist (get it?)

40 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 20, 2014 8:09:58pm

CCJ over at gotnwes.com is trying to smear the now-dead assailant by publishing his arrest record. Seems the guy was released from jail in 2009 — as in five years ago — but CCJ says he doesn’t know if that jail time is related to Brimley’s shooting his GF and the two officers in Brooklyn.

Just asking questions, I suppose. Award-Winning Journalism at his best(?).

41 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 8:11:44pm

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

I just had the weirdest thing happen. I’ve heard about how water can get superheated in the microwave and not boil, but had never seen it. I was going to boil a cup of water just now for some tea, and it didn’t boil in the usual time, figured I had mis-hit the keypad, gave it another minute, and as I was watching, it suddenly “exploded” in the cup, 3/4ers of the water splattered all over the microwave.

I did another cup, this time I put a lexan spoon in it, so it had something for the microbubbles to form on. I thought that only happened with super purified water in a spotless container. This was water from my tap and a pyrex measuring cup that was clean, but by no means “Class 5 Clean Room” clean.

I think if I had just reached in after the usual time and grabbed the cup, it could have been a bad evening for RBS.

Anybody else experience this???

RBS

Years of experience dissolving/melting agarose for electrophoresis gels. You never just ‘set and forget’. You stop it, swirl it, start it, stop it, swirl it, repeatedly till it’s all melted. The higher the percentage the more likely it is to boil over.

42 Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 20, 2014 8:12:15pm

re: #25 Blind Frog Belly White

So, Stacey - when that wingnut killed 3 cops in Pgh in 2009 because Obama was coming for his guns, did you insist that Wayne LaPierre be held accountable?

Well, see, black people are all the same. You know… full of black rage and stuff. They are scary! When one of them does something bad, it’s because blacks are bad. Only white people are individuals.

/

43 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 8:13:00pm

Also. I’m blocked by Gov. Pataki. :D

44 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 20, 2014 8:13:16pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Don’t mess with super-heated water. It will kick your ass.

And second degree burns.

45 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 8:13:44pm
46 BlueSpotinAL  Dec 20, 2014 8:15:00pm

re: #40 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

CCJ over at gotnwes.com is trying to smear the now-dead assailant by publishing his arrest record. Seems the guy was released from jail in 2009 — as in five years ago — but CCJ says he doesn’t know if that jail time is related to Brimley’s shooting his GF and the two officers in Brooklyn.

Just asking questions, I suppose. Award-Winning Journalism at his best(?).

Murderer has prior arrest record. Inconceivable!

47 b.d.  Dec 20, 2014 8:16:06pm

re: #43 Gus

Also. I’m blocked by Gov. Pataki. :D

If you’re going to be blocked, being blocked by an ex-Gov. is good.

48 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 8:17:00pm

BTW. Did you know that the top 10 nations with the highest intentional homicide rates are Catholic nations in Latin America?

49 Stephen T.  Dec 20, 2014 8:18:36pm

re: #39 De Kolta Chair

Remember when only folks in publishing knew what fonts and typefaces were? Or points and picas? Democracy — bah humbug!

Only some folks in publishing still know what fonts, typefaces, points and picas are. The widespread use of those terms, most often incorrectly, because of word processing programs on computers has helped spread the words, but not the correct use of those words.

We’ve also gotten used to horrible justification of text, really bad kerning, using the wrong typeface or font for legibility on either screen or page (which are not always the same), and inappropriate use of bold and italics. I’m guilty of this, too.

50 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 8:19:55pm

re: #48 Gus

BTW. Did you know that the top 10 nations with the highest intentional homicide rates are Catholic nations in Latin America?

Proof positive that religion guarantees highly moral actions.

51 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 20, 2014 8:20:24pm

re: #46 BlueSpotinAL

Murderer has prior arrest record. Inconceivable!

Allegedly, Brinsley’s rap sheet included simple battery, disorderly conduct, theft by shoplifting, criminal trespassing, carrying a concealed weapon during shoplifting, possession of marijuana, simple battery, and terroristic threats. Nothing that would suggest murder.

52 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 8:20:57pm

re: #43 Gus

Also. I’m blocked by Gov. Pataki. :D

October 2009: Former Governor Geo. Pataki’s official portrait being installed in, I’m supposing, the breakfast room of a Batavia Ramada Inn.
53 Varek Raith  Dec 20, 2014 8:23:02pm

re: #43 Gus

Also. I’m blocked by Gov. Pataki. :D

Ha.
What a twerp he is.

54 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 8:24:54pm

Forgot to mention that Richard Dawkins endorses that bigot Jihadistjoe. Dawkins is officially on my shit list.

55 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 8:24:55pm
56 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 8:25:58pm

re: #37 Gus

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Let me guess, he converted to Islam a few months ago? Not that it matters, of course.

57 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 8:27:05pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

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Not the first time.

58 Varek Raith  Dec 20, 2014 8:29:01pm

re: #54 Gus

Forgot to mention that Richard Dawkins endorses that bigot Jihadistjoe. Dawkins is officially on my shit list.

Him and Harris are seriously annoying me as of late.
Morons.

59 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 8:29:58pm

re: #23 Gus

Also. Muslims or something. This got the idiot to trend.

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Mrs. Dash’s opinion is more relevant than Stacey Dash’s.

60 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 8:30:47pm

re: #59 De Kolta Chair

Mrs. Dash’ opinion is more relevant than Stacey Dash’s.

But she doesn’t use the salty language….

61 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 8:31:22pm

BEES

62 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 8:33:14pm
63 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 8:33:38pm

re: #51 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

Allegedly, Brinsley’s rap sheet included simple battery, disorderly conduct, theft by shoplifting, criminal trespassing, carrying a concealed weapon during shoplifting, possession of marijuana, simple battery, and terroristic threats. Nothing that would suggest murder.

All crimes of being harassed by black.

64 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 8:34:57pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

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Meh. OK.

65 Targetpractice  Dec 20, 2014 8:35:06pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

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Why would that be? Because he didn’t immediately leap to their defense when the DA got all but one of those involved in Garner’s death off with immunity, then orchestrated the fifth’s avoidance of criminal charges?

66 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 8:35:14pm

re: #55 teleskiguy

Why was Calgreys goal open? I know late in a game, a team that’s down might pull the goalie to get an extra man on offence to tie it up. Was the goalie sitting in the penalty box? I’ve never seen that happen, but I guess it could.

RBS

67 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 8:37:27pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

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Maybe the NYPD should STOP ‘having the back’ of any cop who, say, chokes an unarmed man to death for a misdemeanor?

68 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 8:37:51pm

re: #66 RealityBasedSteve

Why was Calgreys goal open? I know late in a game, a team that’s down might pull the goalie to get an extra man on offence to tie it up. Was the goalie sitting in the penalty box? I’ve never seen that happen, but I guess it could.

RBS

They don’t pull the goalie for a penalty and goalies do get penalties.

69 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 8:38:23pm

re: #68 b_sharp

They don’t pull the goalie for a penalty and goalies do get penalties.

Hey, hello. Have we met before?

70 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 8:38:36pm

re: #64 Gus

Meh. OK.

A milquetoast commenter, no doubt about it.

71 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 8:39:04pm

re: #62 teleskiguy

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Mrs. Dash’s opinion on anything, from soup to nuts, is more cogent than that of John Podhoretz, her odd obsession with invading the Spice Islands notwithstanding.

72 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 8:39:28pm

re: #69 Gus

Hey, hello. Have we met before?

I don’t don’t think so. You’re new around here and I spend all day in the net.

73 KingKenrod  Dec 20, 2014 8:41:03pm

re: #66 RealityBasedSteve

Why was Calgreys goal open? I know late in a game, a team that’s down might pull the goalie to get an extra man on offence to tie it up. Was the goalie sitting in the penalty box? I’ve never seen that happen, but I guess it could.

RBS

If team A gets a penalty called on them, team B can safely pull their goalie and put on an extra attacker. That’s because play stops as soon as team A touches the puck, so there’s no way team A can shoot the puck into the open net.

74 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 8:41:49pm

re: #72 b_sharp

I don’t don’t think so. You’re new around here and I spend all day in the net.

I haz embarrassing amount of Karma points.

75 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 8:42:18pm

re: #66 RealityBasedSteve

Why was Calgreys goal open? I know late in a game, a team that’s down might pull the goalie to get an extra man on offence to tie it up. Was the goalie sitting in the penalty box? I’ve never seen that happen, but I guess it could.

RBS

On a delayed penalty on Vancouver they pulled their goalie for an extra attacker to try to score during the delayed penalty.

Calgary has lost seven games in a row. This is icing on the shit sandwich.

Oy.

76 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 8:42:18pm

re: #67 Blind Frog Belly White

Maybe the NYPD should STOP ‘having the back’ of any cop who, say, chokes an unarmed man to death for a misdemeanor?

nononono tax evasion.

Gah the levels the reach to justify death by police.

That’s the problem, the visual of no care at all about a death, to all the care in the world about death.

make sense?

77 RealityBasedSteve  Dec 20, 2014 8:43:24pm

re: #73 KingKenrod

If team A gets a penalty called on them, team B can safely pull their goalie and put on an extra attacker. That’s because play stops as soon as team A touches the puck, so there’s no way team A can shoot the puck into the open net.

Ah, thank you. Now it makes sense.

RBS

78 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 8:43:51pm

re: #74 Gus

I noticed that. Do you have the toaster?

79 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 8:44:28pm
80 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 8:44:37pm

re: #78 b_sharp

I noticed that. Do you have the toaster?

Not yet. Charles keeps promising to send me one!

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81 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 8:44:55pm

re: #76 #FergusonFireside

nononono tax evasion.

Gah the levels the reach to justify death by police.

That’s the problem, the visual of no care to all the care in the world.

make sense?

Tax Evasion? Oh, well, that’s different, then. After all, Al Capone got jailed for tax evasion, so Garner may have been just as dangerous!
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82 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 8:46:15pm

And then came the C.H.U.D.

83 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 8:46:19pm

re: #80 Gus

Not yet. Charles keeps promising to send me one!

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Mine leaves an image of Jesus. Or maybe that’s Chuckie Johnson. I can’t tell, I haven’t been to church in years!

84 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 8:48:47pm

re: #83 Blind Frog Belly White

Mine leaves an image of Jesus. Or maybe that’s Chuckie Johnson. I can’t tell, I haven’t been to church in years!

Are you sure the image on the toast isn’t Crusty?

85 Jenner7  Dec 20, 2014 8:49:46pm

Watching my favorite Christmas movie, White Christmas, on AMC. Grew up on this stuff.

86 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 8:50:59pm

re: #85 Jenner7

Watching my favorite Christmas movie, White Christmas, on AMC. Grew up on this stuff.

We watched that earlier today. Now we’re watching Auntie Mame.

87 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 20, 2014 8:51:13pm

re: #85 Jenner7

Watching my favorite Christmas movie, White Christmas, on AMC. Grew up on this stuff.

My tradition is to watch the Alastair Sim version of A Christmas Carol.

88 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 8:51:34pm

re: #84 b_sharp

Are you sure the image on the toast isn’t Crusty?

Oy! (in my best Herschel Krustofski voice)

89 prairiefire  Dec 20, 2014 8:51:46pm

re: #86 b_sharp

We watched that earlier today. Now we’re watching Auntie Mame.

Ahhhhhhhhh, my little love!

90 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 8:51:58pm

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

My tradition is to watch the Alastair Sim version of A Christmas Carol.

That and the Muppet versions are the best. Although Scrooged is good too.

92 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 8:52:42pm

re: #85 Jenner7

Watching my favorite Christmas movie, White Christmas, on AMC. Grew up on this stuff.

Directed by one of my favorite Hollywood eccentrics, Michael Curtiz, who also directed Casablanca and at least a half dozen other classics.

93 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 20, 2014 8:53:05pm

re: #90 b_sharp

That and the Muppet versions are the best. Although Scrooged is good too.

The Patrick Stewart version is not bad. He did a one-man show of Dickens’ story, I believe.

94 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 8:53:05pm

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

My tradition is to watch the Alastair Sim version of A Christmas Carol.

That, and the 1946 ‘Miracle on 34th Street’, and ‘It’s a Wonderful Life’, and of course ‘A Christmas Story’.

You’ll shoot your eye out, kid!

95 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 8:55:44pm

re: #89 prairiefire

Ahhhhhhhhh, my little love!

I’m catching up on top chef!!

But my patio is beautiful with white lights.

96 Jenner7  Dec 20, 2014 8:56:32pm

re: #87 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I like 70’s Scrooge with Albert Finney.

97 b_sharp  Dec 20, 2014 8:57:09pm

re: #96 Jenner7

I like 70’s Scrooge with Albert Finney.

Not fond of that version.

98 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 8:57:34pm

re: #93 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

The Patrick Stewart version is not bad. He did a one-man show of Dickens’ story, I believe.

He performed the part for several years running at NYC’s Richard Rodgers Theater. It always got good reviews. I never saw it, but I know a few actors who appeared in it, all of whom had nothing but praise for their leading man.

99 Jenner7  Dec 20, 2014 8:59:45pm

My all time favorite movie is The Great Race. I recently introduced my kids to it and they didn’t stop laughing. Jack Lemmon is just masterful.

100 HappyWarrior  Dec 20, 2014 9:00:36pm

I like watching the old Rankin Bass specials. Watched Frosty today with my niece. And also the first two Home Alones. I also try to catch It’s A Wonderful Life and A Christmas Story.

101 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 9:01:15pm

re: #99 Jenner7

My all time favorite movie is The Great Race. I recently introduced my kids to it and they didn’t stop laughing. Jack Lemmon is just masterful.

Push the button, Max.

I love Mancini’s score. And the bright twinkle of Tony Curtis’ teeth. Underrated actor, Tony Curtis is.

102 Jenner7  Dec 20, 2014 9:02:12pm
103 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 20, 2014 9:06:59pm

re: #92 De Kolta Chair

Directed by one of my favorite Hollywood eccentrics, Michael Curtiz, who also directed Casablanca, and at least a half dozen other classics.

And David Niven as a title of one of his books on Hollywood remembered that Curtiz once directed a film crew to “bring on the empty horses.”

104 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 9:08:12pm
105 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 9:09:25pm

re: #103 BeenHereAwhile

And David Niven as a title of one of his books on Hollywood remembered that Curtiz once directed a film crew to “bring on the empty horses.”

My fave Curtiz flick, “Captain Blood” (1935)

I have all of Niven’s memoirs in yellowed paperback editions. I should read them again. Dirk Bogarde and Peter O’Toole also wrote some great show biz memoirs (and they both wrote quite well), but for me the most entertaining, and surprisingly emotional, is Michael Caine’s “The Elephant to Hollywood.”

106 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 9:18:09pm

The angulation of your modern ski racer should blow your mind. It certainly does mine.

107 Jenner7  Dec 20, 2014 9:27:06pm

Uh oh, I think I killed the thread. It was Albert Finney’s Scrooge, wasn’t it? ;)

108 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 9:27:10pm
109 Gus  Dec 20, 2014 9:27:34pm

And just blocked John Schindler.

110 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 20, 2014 9:30:30pm

re: #105 De Kolta Chair

Image: My fave Curtiz flick, “Captain Blood” (1935)I have all of Niven’s memoirs in yellowed paperback editions. I should read them again. Dirk Bogarde and Peter O’Toole also wrote some great show biz memoirs.

As much as I admire Flynn, et al, I have to go with Casablanca as my favorite Curtiz film.

Howard Koch wrote that after principal filming started the Casablanca script writers literally wrote the script each morning for the day’s subsequent filming.

The film’s message of “round up the usual suspects,” still resonates today.

111 #FergusonFireside  Dec 20, 2014 9:33:03pm

nighty all!

112 Jenner7  Dec 20, 2014 9:33:23pm

Night all….

113 bratwurst  Dec 20, 2014 9:35:25pm

re: #109 Gus

And just blocked John Schindler.

I did that a while back…I figured he was what he is showing himself to be tonight, but did not imagine he would REALLY let it all hang out like that.

114 Lidane  Dec 20, 2014 9:37:00pm

re: #54 Gus

Forgot to mention that Richard Dawkins endorses that bigot Jihadistjoe. Dawkins is officially on my shit list.

I used to follow Dawkins on Twitter and Facebook, but I deleted him on both ages ago. When he started letting his bigot flag fly I was done.

115 Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 20, 2014 9:40:34pm

re: #114 Lidane

I used to follow Dawkins on Twitter and Facebook, but I deleted him on both ages ago. When he started letting his bigot flag fly I was done.

Not believing in a deity doesn’t mean you won’t believe other stupid shit.

116 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 9:40:44pm
117 jaunte  Dec 20, 2014 9:41:29pm
118 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 9:45:52pm
119 dog philosopher  Dec 20, 2014 9:54:10pm

this wonderful widow of eighteen springs

hmm i guess im kinda literalminded i imagined some kinda clockwork dame

120 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 9:55:40pm

The Hanukkavengers #1 (2010), story by Chris Sims & art by Kevin Mellon

121 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 10:09:41pm
122 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 10:15:26pm

re: #121 teleskiguy

That blew my mind, man
123 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 20, 2014 10:23:31pm

re: #121 teleskiguy

124 freetoken  Dec 20, 2014 10:24:09pm

Draplin has a very good point about the human hand versus the computer drawing tools.

I see far too many people passing off Illustrator templates or Photoshopped images as innovations.

Same with web page designs and Dreamweaver.

This is just one more reason why I am against the removal of cursive writing from grade school.

There is probably nothing more essential to what made us the humans we are today than our remarkable hand control.

125 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 10:45:33pm
126 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 20, 2014 10:45:39pm

re: #124 freetoken

Good point. I came to computer art from fine art. I did pen and ink for years. I still have a full suite of Rapidograph pens though years of working with my hands plus failing eyesight have made the work an exercise in frustration. Computers are fine, my setup enables me to still do art. I believe that any virtue in my current work derives from the years of practicing hand control as well as developing an artist’s eye. It’s easy enough to do something that looks flashy and finished with computer graphics. It’s far more difficult to do something compelling and original.

127 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 10:46:08pm

re: #110 BeenHereAwhile

Howard Koch wrote that after principal filming started the Casablanca script writers literally wrote the script each morning for the day’s subsequent filming.

The film’s message of “round up the usual suspects,” still resonates today.

Every frame of that flick is classic. From what I’ve read, nobody involved with the making of it thought it was anything special before it was released to great acclaim. Bit o’ trivia: Howard Koch co-wrote, with Orson Welles, the script for the famous radio production of “War Of The Worlds,” and later became a big-time Hollywood producer. If memory serves, he ran one of the major studios during the fifties.

128 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 10:52:48pm
And lest I forget, Ingrid Bergman. Yowzah!
129 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 20, 2014 10:53:29pm

re: #127 De Kolta Chair

Every frame of that flick is classic. From what I’ve read, nobody involved with the making of it thought it was anything special before it was released to great acclaim. Bit o’ trivia: Howard Koch co-wrote, with Orson Welles, the script for the famous radio production of “War Of The Worlds,” and later became a big-time Hollywood producer. If memory serves, he ran one of the major studios during the fifties.

That seems to be the case for many now-classic movies. I read that most of the Star Wars IV cast thought the movie would bomb in the box office.

130 teleskiguy  Dec 20, 2014 10:54:45pm

re: #124 freetoken

There is probably nothing more essential to what made us the humans we are today than our remarkable hand control.

Combination of hand control and computers made my bindings on my skis. Machined with a laser. The heel-throw is also a bottle opener.

131 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 20, 2014 11:00:31pm

re: #124 freetoken

There is probably nothing more essential to what made us the humans we are today than our remarkable hand control.

And our occasional loss of self-control.

132 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 11:02:19pm

re: #129 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

That seems to be the case for many now-classic movies. I read that most of the Star Wars IV cast thought the movie would bomb in the box office.

For a second there, I thought you said Star Trek IV (The Voyage Home), the boffo box office success of which surprised pretty much everyone involved, with the possible exception of James Doohan, because hey he was James Doohan.

133 De Kolta Chair  Dec 20, 2014 11:08:24pm
‘Night all, and may all your ales be green
134 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 20, 2014 11:15:08pm

re: #132 De Kolta Chair

For a second there, I thought you said Star Trek IV (The Voyage Home), the boffo box office success of which surprised pretty much everyone involved, with the possible exception of James Doohan, because hey he was James Doohan.

“Admiral, there be whales here!”

135 Kragar  Dec 20, 2014 11:34:36pm
136 goddamnedfrank  Dec 21, 2014 12:02:20am

It’s been really gross watching right wingers dry hump the corpses of two dead police officers all day. If they’d given half a shit about the cops Eric Frein killed, or the two in Vegas who were ambushed by that couple that had been at Bundy Ranch I might credit their concern as genuine. But this is just cynical, disgusting, and racial revanchism.

137 Ace-o-aces  Dec 21, 2014 12:14:28am

re: #40 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

CCJ over at gotnwes.com is trying to smear the now-dead assailant by publishing his arrest record.

Of course he looked up criminal record. That’s all he ever does. Are we supposed to be awed by his ability to access public records?

138 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 21, 2014 12:16:14am

re: #137 Ace-o-aces

Of course he looked up criminal record. That’s all he ever does. Are we supposed to be awed by his ability to access public records?

I think he’s got paid researchers, maybe some with friends in the police departments, who do the legwork for him. I’m pretty sure CCJ does not do much actual research himself.

139 Ace-o-aces  Dec 21, 2014 12:17:37am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Really crazy shit goin’ on. Police departments that see themselves as enemies of the communities they’re supposed to be protecting.

You know, that’s why police traditionally wear blue. When the first professional police forces were started, people were opposed, thinking they would be in essence occupying armies. They worse blue to differentiate themselves from the military.

140 goddamnedfrank  Dec 21, 2014 12:44:00am

re: #138 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality

I think he’s got paid researchers, maybe some with friends in the police departments, who do the legwork for him. I’m pretty sure CCJ does not do much actual research himself.

His “ex law enforcement” source is John Cardillo. He claims to be ex NYPD and now runs a company called PsyID, which bills itself as a social medial analytics and marketing firm and caters pretty much exclusively to right wing nutjobs. Glenn Beck has hired them in the past and he’s appeared on his show.

John Cardillo/Glenn Beck Election Night 2014

John Cardillo, President and CEO of PsyID, an organization that analyzes public sentiment using social media as a bellwether, was interviewed by Glenn Beck on TheBlaze TV last week. Cardillo said his company’s analysis is not poll driven but instead is similar to eavesdropping on conversations at a party or being a fly on the wall listening to what people are actually saying from the heart.

Thus, what users on Twitter and Facebook are saying in their posts and tweets is a more accurate - and fascinating - barometer of how they really feel about today’s issues.

I’m not sure how advanced or in depth their tools are, they do have a PhD listed as one of their three employees, but that’s meaningless. Also Laurel Lieb worked for them, she’s big into gamergate, anti-femiism and most other right-wing dumbfuckery du jure. She claims to have a Master’s degree in marketing analysis, and wrote her dissertation on “Public Relations and Crisis Management Implications of Metadata Tags in Social Media,” whatever the fuck that means. She defended CCJ’s contention that the media was glorifying Brittany Maynard’s choice to end her suffering.

Point being it’s a gaggle of professional grifters and ratfuckers trying to sell the cacophony of right wing social media noise as if it’s meaningful data.

Pretty sure the housewife he mentions is Shannon Knutsen, who’s also a church secretary. She’s the self described “research genius” who misidentified the pic of that other woman as Jackie from the UVA story, and convinced Chuck to run with the story.

141 wheat-dogghazi-bola-trality  Dec 21, 2014 12:49:11am

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

A crackerjack team behind a crackerjack bloggist.
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142 freetoken  Dec 21, 2014 1:20:55am

MP3 Audio

143 Kragar  Dec 21, 2014 3:14:33am
144 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 3:19:35am

Dawkins used to be on my shit list years ago because of this. Then I sorta mellowed out on him, as did Ed Brayton. I guess I shouldn’t have.

145 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 3:46:38am

Read this whole twitter thread.

146 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 3:48:45am

Anthony Cumia in all his glory.

Click to Reveal
147 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 3:58:41am

Aren’t these the same assholes who bemoan the alleged attacks on free speech etc.? LOL.

148 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 4:01:00am

SteelPH, still awake? :)

149 SteelPH  Dec 21, 2014 4:01:54am

re: #148 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

SteelPH, still awake? :)

Nope.
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150 Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2014 4:10:35am

re: #143 Kragar

What’s OLM in that “patriot’s” Tweet referring to?

151 freetoken  Dec 21, 2014 4:13:13am

Not bad for 98 years old:

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I can find little about the “Venetian Trio” other than they were a Victor Records house ensemble.

152 freetoken  Dec 21, 2014 4:18:30am

There was a folk band called The Venetian Trio, but I don’t think they were the same group.

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 21, 2014 4:21:12am

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

What’s OLM in that “patriot’s” Tweet referring to?

Bureau of Land Management - with office in place of Bureau because he’s a dumb ass.

154 Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2014 4:21:59am

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

Bureau of Land Management - with office in place of Bureau because he’s a dumb ass.

Ah, OK.

*smh*

155 freetoken  Dec 21, 2014 4:23:17am

It looks like there were 6 different artists involved in various takes of the recording, the one I linked I think is take 13:
adp.library.ucsb.edu

156 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2014 4:29:23am

re: #150 Dr Lizardo

What’s OLM in that “patriot’s” Tweet referring to?

True Patriots reserve their God Given Right to determine who is an officer of the law and deserving of respect and obedience, and who is a government thug who deserves a sniper bullet to the head…

157 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 4:35:32am

re: #143 Kragar

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It started a long time ago with me that anyone using the word Patriot in their name lost all credibility with me for what they say. I just consider them another rightwing crackpot.

158 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 4:45:36am

Bosch + Dali + Magritte

jacquesresch.com

159 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 21, 2014 4:56:11am

re: #158 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Bosch + Dali + Magritte

jacquesresch.com

Interesting. Kinda looks like outtakes from Yes album covers :)

160 Maggie's Pa  Dec 21, 2014 5:15:52am

De Blasio made his bed

“De Blasio’s comments have given license to the anti-police activists and thugs to attack the police,” he said. “His comments have been absolutely despicable. Telling his son he should be afraid of the police? I’m not surprised these two police officers have been assassinated as a direct result of de Blasio’s comments.”

161 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 5:20:20am

re: #160 Flounder

De Blasio made his bed

De Blasio’s son is black. Hell yes he should tell him to be careful around cops. People trying to connect him to these murders are scum.

162 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 5:20:58am

Also, the cops’ cultic behavior is ultra-creepy.

163 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 21, 2014 5:27:36am

re: #160 Flounder

My son is Asian. I warn him to be careful around cops too; to presume that they will kill with little or no excuse.

164 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 5:27:57am

If the police want respect then they should clean house, I agree there are good police but there is also bad police that abuse their power, the departments should weed them out and get rid of them.

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 21, 2014 5:28:34am

BBIAB

166 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 5:31:02am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I learned about the execution style killing of two NYPD officers in Brooklyn while at a family gathering, and it is heartbreaking to learn under any circumstances.

These officers were doing their jobs, trying to reduce crime in a high-crime area; they weren’t even from the local precinct but rather called in from other parts of the city to help. The man who killed them had an agenda that had nothing to do with protests or protesters; he had a lengthy criminal record and had killed his girlfriend before coming up to NYC to engage in more mayhem.

But NYPD supporters who ignore all that ails the Department and that there are bad officers in their midst, will try everything to link the killer to the protests. The PBA and others will try and blame the Mayor for the killings, claiming that the Mayor doesn’t support the officers wholeheartedly and without reservations.

The problem is that there’s no truth to the matter asserted. The Mayor does support the police. He also doesn’t want anyone to tolerate criminal behavior by the police. He wants justice applied evenly and fairly. He has to warn his son (who is black) that police might not respect him or treat him properly because of the color of his skin, even if he does nothing wrong. That’s not disrespecting the police; that’s stating an objective fact. Police in NYC, and nationally, do engage in racial profiling and they do stop blacks far more often than whites when adjusting for per capita.

Justice. Only Justice Shall Thou Pursue. It’s not just an empty slogan. It’s what everyone should demand from both those the police arrest for crimes, and from the police and prosecutors who are supposed to uphold the law.

When the police and prosecutors fail to do their jobs properly, that harms everyone - it’s a breach of the social compact that the police have with us. And they have to be responsible for their actions as well.

It’s pitiful that the police boosters are trying to pin blame on people like Al Sharpton or Mayor DeBlasio for the shooting of the two cops; we don’t hear these same voices blaming right wingers like Rush or Hannity when white supremacists and sovereign citizens use the same rhetoric and vitriol in stalking and targeting law enforcement. There, those people are categorized as lone wolfs and not representative of everyone else. Personal responsibility.

It cuts both ways. It is ultimately the responsibility of the shooters and criminals who carry out these acts. It is also the responsibility for everyone to call out those who use extreme rhetoric.

Justice demands it.

167 Maggie's Pa  Dec 21, 2014 5:33:19am

re: #162 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Please expand on that

168 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 5:33:46am

Whenever there is an unorganized, uncontrolled movement, there will always be people who attach themselves to the said movement, and the opponents will always use these outliers to bash the same movement. And yes, all sides do it, the left, the right, the centrists.

169 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 5:35:11am

re: #167 Flounder

Please expand on that

Well, aside from hurling outrageous accusations at De Blasio, have you seen the video of cops turning their backs on him? You think this is not creepy?

170 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 5:36:11am

re: #169 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Well, aside from hurling outrageous accusations at De Blasio, have you seen the video of cops turning their backs on him? You think this is not creepy?

I think it’s disgusting. I imagine they lost some respect from some people because of doing that.

171 Maggie's Pa  Dec 21, 2014 5:39:06am

All my plastic mixing bowls have teeth marks on them.

172 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 5:40:08am

Huh.

173 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 5:40:11am

re: #171 Flounder

All my plastic mixing bowls have teeth marks on them.

lol mine do to my cat knocks them off the counter so my dog can chew on them.

174 Maggie's Pa  Dec 21, 2014 5:46:06am

re: #169 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

re: #170 Tigger2

De Blasio turned his back on the police officers first

“He has a security detail of New York City police officers assigned to protect his family. And yet he’s making statements that his son shouldn’t feel safe with New York City cops,”

175 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 5:47:30am

re: #174 Flounder

De Blasio turned his back on the police officers first

I agree with him his son needs to be told that, the police not on that detail may not know he’s De Blasio’s son., and I’m a 62 yr old white guy so it’s not just AA that can see the problem with the stereotyping the police do.

176 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 5:50:26am

re: #174 Flounder

De Blasio turned his back on the police officers first

Yes, his black son, on his own, as a black youth, should not feel safe with New York cops. If this plain fact is not clear to you, despite everything that has happened recently, there is nothing I could do. (Except suggesting that maybe a mayor of f’n NYC may know more about this than you do.)

177 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 5:52:52am

Can’t imagine why de Blasio would want his son to be cautious around cops…

In a video posted online, a white plainclothes New York City cop was seen running up to a young black male being placed under arrest and punching him several times in the torso.

178 Maggie's Pa  Dec 21, 2014 5:59:37am

re: #176 Islamo-Masonic Vourdalak

Tell that to Officer Lui and Officer Ramos families

Officers Bodies leaving hospital
179 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 6:01:35am

re: #178 Flounder

Tell that to Officer Lui and Officer Ramos families

Image: Officers Bodies leaving hospital

It’s the life they choose, they know the risk, I have 2 cops in my family they know the risk. But I also think the deaths of the 4 AA boys that have lost their lives needlessly is just as disgusting.

180 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:06:51am

re: #178 Flounder

Tell that to Officer Lui and Officer Ramos families

Image: Officers Bodies leaving hospital

What do these families have to do with the issue at hand?

181 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 21, 2014 6:07:28am

re: #178 Flounder

Tell that to Officer Lui and Officer Ramos families

Image: Officers Bodies leaving hospital

Their deaths are tragic but so are all the needless deaths caused by police arrogance and racism.

“Serve and Protect but only the 1%” Until that changes, nothing else will.

182 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 6:07:36am

re: #178 Flounder

The two concepts are not mutually exclusive. You can respect the hard work that cops do any that they put their lives on the line AND demand that they don’t engage in racial profiling and engage in criminality of their own.

The mayor isn’t just the mayor of the PD. He’s a mayor of 8 million people that includes the NYPD. Respect works both ways, and the PBA has done nothing but disrespect the Mayor from Day 1. The PBA has only its own interests in mind, and that doesn’t extend to the people they police. They fight to keep bad apples on the force. They ignore the bad apples. It’s what the union does - and I get why the union does what it does. But blaming the mayor? That’s a bridge too far. It might play well with the right wingers like Bernie Kerik (who is a convicted felon) and Rudy Giuliani (whose NYPD not only engaged in heroics as on 9/11, but in depravities like Amadou Diallo.

Good with the bad. The bad shouldn’t be tolerated. At all.

Why is that so difficult to understand?

Gov. Pataki also blames Mayor DeBlasio. Do we blame Pataki for Diallo? Or any of the other racially charged killings by NYPD due to aggressive policing called for by Pataki and others? No. We demand accountability for those officers involved - we demand that the justice system hold the police accountable when they violate the law and their oath to protect and uphold the law.

183 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:07:37am

Ah, I see. It’s non sequitur time.

184 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Dec 21, 2014 6:07:56am

re: #124 freetoken

There is probably nothing more essential to what made us the humans we are today than our remarkable hand control.

I find the ways we are being asked to use our hands a little baffling sometimes. I’ve been typing (keyboarding) for half a century and my thoughts pour out effortlessly via my fingertips. However, tapping on little buttons and icons doesn’t work as well for me. Nor does voice, which I find incredibly slow—and then needs editing on a tiny screen.

One could make the case that “the kids” are gaining hand skill and control skills that are even more complicated or challenging than cursive.

185 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:15:41am

You downding because you can’t engage in a rational conversation.

It’s a simple fact that your comment was not in any way or shape relevant to mine.

186 Maggie's Pa  Dec 21, 2014 6:18:44am

re: #185 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Because two police officers were assassinated from Mayor De Blasio’s comments?! Where do I begin?

187 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 6:19:38am

re: #186 Flounder

Because two police officers were assassinated from Mayor De Blasio’s comments?! Where do I begin?

That is BS that can’t be proved.

188 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:20:13am

re: #186 Flounder

Because two police officers were assassinated from Mayor De Blasio’s comments?!

This requires no further comment.

189 Bubblehead II  Dec 21, 2014 6:20:18am

re: #186 Flounder

Because two police officers were assassinated from Mayor De Blasio’s comments?! Where do I begin?

Bullshit.

190 Maggie's Pa  Dec 21, 2014 6:21:19am

re: #188 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Did you look at all the racist police officers in the picture I posted?!

191 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:21:48am

Unbelievable.

192 SteelPH  Dec 21, 2014 6:22:16am

Because “Police should be accountable for their actions” actually means “Kill them”.
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193 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:26:57am

Let’s count the strawmen.

194 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 21, 2014 6:28:02am

re: #186 Flounder

If you believe that, then don’t bother beginning. You’ve already lost.

195 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 6:28:10am
196 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 6:28:34am
197 Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2014 6:29:44am

re: #186 Flounder

Because two police officers were assassinated from Mayor De Blasio’s comments?! Where do I begin?

Mayor De Blasio has never suggested that police officers should be killed.

The unfortunate officers in this horrific incident (may they rest in peace) died at the hands of a profoundly disturbed individual with a history of aggressive and violent behavior - indeed, the deceased suspect had demonstrated violent behavior earlier that day, when he shot his former girlfriend (it is my understanding that she survived).

Mayor De Blasio has never encouraged violence towards the NYPD. While he does sympathize with the various and ongoing protests against police brutality, that is simply not even remotely the same thing as encouraging members of the public to sally forth and kill the boys (and girls) in blue.

198 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 6:34:54am

Mayor De Blasio is only guilty of empathizing with the black community. He never attacked the police or said that people should kill them.

Those trying to tie him to these murders are simply political retards who hate having a progressive mayor and will do anything to tarnish him. Plus he put an end to stop and frisk…which I suspect in some precincts will unofficially still be in practice but that’s the reality some people face.

199 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 6:35:36am
200 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 6:36:47am

The shooter indeed shot and injured his girlfriend earlier in the day before heading up to NYC. But that was hardly the first time he’d engaged in criminality. He’s got a record dating back to at least 2010, when he was charged with making terroristic threats.

His last arrest in the Atlanta area came in April 2010 when he was charged with possession of marijuana, simple battery and terrorist threats. He was convicted of disorderly conduct and shoplifting, while dispositions of the other cases were not clear.

201 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 6:43:23am

The NYPD boosters are circulating a petition demanding Mayor DeBlasio step down. Because NYC is only about protecting cops. Who cares when cops do wrong and trying to get cops to hold themselves to a higher standard - one that is for equal justice under the law.

They distort what the Mayor said, what he wants of the NYPD, and how demanding accountability of NYPD when they do something wrong and standing with protesters who demand justice isn’t the same as disrespecting cops or not honoring or respecting what cops do.

202 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 6:47:38am
203 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 6:48:42am

re: #201 lawhawk

The NYPD boosters are circulating a petition demanding Mayor DeBlasio step down. Because NYC is only about protecting cops. Who cares when cops do wrong and trying to get cops to hold themselves to a higher standard - one that is for equal justice under the law.

They distort what the Mayor said, what he wants of the NYPD, and how demanding accountability of NYPD when they do something wrong and standing with protesters who demand justice isn’t the same as disrespecting cops or not honoring or respecting what cops do.

Fuck the NYPD boosters they are just rightwing idiots that don’t like a Dem Mayor.

204 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 6:51:04am

re: #201 lawhawk

The NYPD boosters are circulating a petition demanding Mayor DeBlasio step down. Because NYC is only about protecting cops. Who cares when cops do wrong and trying to get cops to hold themselves to a higher standard - one that is for equal justice under the law.

They distort what the Mayor said, what he wants of the NYPD, and how demanding accountability of NYPD when they do something wrong and standing with protesters who demand justice isn’t the same as disrespecting cops or not honoring or respecting what cops do.

And I’d be willing to bet that at least 2/3 of those who signed that petition are not even New York residents, let alone residents of NYC.

205 Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2014 6:52:44am

Sunset over Moravian Silesia, taken at 3:43 pm from the balcony.

On the bright side, at least the days will start getting longer after today.

uploadpie.com

Enjoy.

206 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 21, 2014 6:54:35am

re: #205 Dr Lizardo

Sunset over Moravian Silesia, taken at 3:43 pm from the balcony.

On the bright side, at the days will start get longer after today.

uploadpie.com

Enjoy.

Beautiful. Makes me remember my time in Bavaria.

207 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 6:58:29am

re: #206 William Barnett-Lewis

Beautiful. Makes me remember my time in Bavaria.

Do tell.

208 William Barnett-Lewis  Dec 21, 2014 7:02:24am

re: #207 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Do tell.

Not much to say, spent a couple of tours (one long & one short) with the US Army there. A good place to be a young man with decent pay and no obligations :D I was especially fond of spending my Saturdays in Rothenburg ob der Tauber. The trips to München were always a delight too.
(ed for spelling)

209 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 7:06:12am

The policelivesmatter tag is righteous, but something tells me that a lot of “alllivesmatter” folks are suddenly using it right now.

210 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 7:10:44am
211 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 7:14:17am

I’m getting really close to making a dick joke in response to this guy right now…

212 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 7:15:19am

re: #211 darthstar

I’m getting really close to making a dick joke in response to this guy right now…

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Plz proceed :)

213 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 7:19:03am

re: #212 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Plz proceed :)

Nah…I’ll save it for later. I used to like that guy - had a good response to GG and the NSA stuff - then he sent his dick out over the internet and took two weeks off twitter to show his remorse. Now I don’t give a fuck what he says most of the time.

214 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 7:20:52am
215 Belafon  Dec 21, 2014 7:23:09am

re: #33 RealityBasedSteve

I just had the weirdest thing happen. I’ve heard about how water can get superheated in the microwave and not boil, but had never seen it. I was going to boil a cup of water just now for some tea, and it didn’t boil in the usual time, figured I had mis-hit the keypad, gave it another minute, and as I was watching, it suddenly “exploded” in the cup, 3/4ers of the water splattered all over the microwave.

I did another cup, this time I put a lexan spoon in it, so it had something for the microbubbles to form on. I thought that only happened with super purified water in a spotless container. This was water from my tap and a pyrex measuring cup that was clean, but by no means “Class 5 Clean Room” clean.

I think if I had just reached in after the usual time and grabbed the cup, it could have been a bad evening for RBS.

Anybody else experience this???

RBS

Water is pretty neat like that (I’m thinking science here, not third degree burns neat). The flip side is that you can put a closed bottle of water in freezing temperatures and yet the water will not freeze until it is disturbed. It’s not always easy to perform because the bottle has to stay completely still.

216 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 7:24:33am

re: #213 darthstar

So now cops are above any criticism, and if you criticize a cop you’re anti-cop and your hands are literally dripping with cop blood.

217 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 7:25:47am

re: #216 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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So now cops are above any criticism, and if you criticize a cop you’re anti-cop and your hands are literally dripping with cop blood.

Oh, FFS.

218 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 7:26:00am

re: #216 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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So now cops are above any criticism, and if you criticize a cop you’re anti-cop and your hands are literally dripping with cop blood.

If the nimrod wants to follow that logic, then any wingnut who supported the militia nutters is responsible for the deaths of two cops in Las Vegas by the pair of Bundy Ranch rejects. Or indeed any “sovereign citizen” who has killed cops in the course of waging their own little private wars against the government.

219 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 7:26:29am

We don’t have to go back that far to find white guys who targeted cops and killed them.

220 Dave In Austin  Dec 21, 2014 7:27:53am

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221 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 7:29:12am

And BTW. What with the cultic cops turning their backs on DeBlasio, it is fair to ask whether the mayor NYC and his black son are really safe.

222 Eventual Carrion  Dec 21, 2014 7:34:40am

re: #196 darthstar

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The reason for the season.

223 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 7:35:08am

re: #216 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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So now cops are above any criticism, and if you criticize a cop you’re anti-cop and your hands are literally dripping with cop blood.

That’s not what Schindler is saying, for heaven’s sake. What he’s saying is a that a lengthy period of hostile criticism of the police can result in unstable people going after them.

He’d criticizing media bias more than anything.

224 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 7:38:59am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

That’s not what Schindler is saying, for heaven’s sake. What he’s saying is a that a lengthy period of hostile criticism of the police can result in unstable people going after them.

He’d criticizing media bias more than anything.

Except you basically repeated what I said. Cops shouldn’t be criticized. Because it may cause someone to snap and the critics’ hands will be dripping with blood, or something.

PS: the word “hostile” is meaningless in this context; the criticism from DeBlasio and Holder was truthful first of all. And no, he’s not criticizing media. He has named names.

225 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 7:39:03am

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

That’s not what Schindler is saying, for heaven’s sake. What he’s saying is a that a lengthy period of hostile criticism of the police can result in unstable people going after them.

He’d criticizing media bias more than anything.

Well gee Dark, I can’t imagine what might provoke hostile criticism of the police. You’d almost think several innocent people were killed by cops who didn’t face so much as a slap on the wrist.

226 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 7:39:39am
227 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 7:43:03am

Oh, the wingnuts are just taking this opportunity to get rid of DeBlasio. Clever, clever. In a cynically shameless way, of course.

228 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 7:43:45am

re: #227 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Oh, the wingnuts are just taking this opportunity to get rid of DeBlasio. Clever, clever. In a cynically shameless way, of course.

I didn’t even know he had Ebola.

229 Maggie's Pa  Dec 21, 2014 7:44:58am

re: #227 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

De Blasio did that to himself. Wing nuts don’t exactly have a big following in NYC voting precincts.

230 BeenHereAwhile  Dec 21, 2014 7:45:41am

re: #201 lawhawk

The NYPD boosters are circulating a petition demanding Mayor DeBlasio step down. Because NYC is only about protecting cops. Who cares when cops do wrong and trying to get cops to hold themselves to a higher standard - one that is for equal justice under the law.

They distort what the Mayor said, what he wants of the NYPD, and how demanding accountability of NYPD when they do something wrong and standing with protesters who demand justice isn’t the same as disrespecting cops or not honoring or respecting what cops do.

@bomani_jones: forgot about this one. RT @enigmaXL: how long until the NYPD treats him like they did Dinkins? t.co

231 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 7:46:01am

This person above believes in this:

Because two police officers were assassinated from Mayor De Blasio’s comments?!

Nuff said.

232 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 7:47:24am

re: #229 Flounder

De Blasio did that to himself. Wing nuts don’t exactly have a big following in NYC voting precincts.

No they just have loud mouths. And the majority of Americans think the’re nuts.

233 Belafon  Dec 21, 2014 7:48:00am

re: #174 Flounder

LaVar Burton, you know, Geordi LaForge on ST:TNG, has had to have a talk with his kids about how to act around cops that I, a white man, have not had to have with mine. Why would a famous actor need to do something with his kids that I don’t have to do with mine? What could be different about him?

And if you think they don’t have to worry about that kind of thing, then ask yourself why Forrest Whitaker was frisked by an employee in a sandwich shop in NY because the employee thought he’d stolen a sandwich?

234 SteelPH  Dec 21, 2014 7:48:59am

I’m still not seeing how “Police should be held accountable for their actions” = “Kill the police”.

235 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 7:49:19am

Let me ask those who think de Blasio is responsible for this: What did he say that would be interpreted as supportive of killing cops? Seriously, what was it that he said that you feel led to this?

236 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 7:52:42am

re: #186 Flounder

Because two police officers were assassinated from Mayor De Blasio’s comments?! Where do I begin?

Flounder, that’s just not true. What happened here was an asshole loser latched onto a protest movement that, while anti-police, was basically non-violent as his excuse to go on a final ‘murder safari’ (he was from Baltimore and he travel to New York City to kill.)

This is the same sort of thing as a ‘sovereign citizen’ wingnut deciding to go out in a blaze of glory violent stupidity. The race of the shooter is different, but its still the same “I hate authority because I’m a loser!” sentiment at work.

237 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 7:56:46am
238 ObserverArt  Dec 21, 2014 7:58:03am

Morning.

This is a political blog/forum is it not?

I should think anyone on a political blog would realize the statements of a mayor during a time the city might blow up over police abuse issues are political statements.

Are they not meant to address a perception by a group of people and geared to calm people with understanding?

So many are missing that point, most especially the police spokespeople and people taking the mayor’s words about his son away from the politics they were intended. To turn those into a reason a cop was killed is dangerous. Ramping up the rhetoric about the mayor isn’t going to help the police at all, in fact it may cause more of what just happened. People voted for that mayor for a reason. Policing being one, Are the cops now against all those people that voted for De Blasio?

And the police flapping their jaws could get the Mayor killed too. Now how would that look to a city in crisis?

How would it look to everyone if a bad cop goes crazy and does shoot the Mayor and his son?

What a fucking mess. We are hurling toward civil strife in this country. Everyone is forming up groups on both polar ends. All it is going to do is cause problems for all the good people in the middle.

I sure hope this crap starts to cool, but I get the feeling we are only seeing the beginning. If the cops grow more of a us-versus-them bunker attitude then more violence in the streets will be occurring.

But on a politics board, I would hope people understand politics.

239 Maggie's Pa  Dec 21, 2014 7:58:18am

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

I just repeated what Vernon Geberth, a retired NYPD homicide lieutenant said. nypost.com

240 Maggie's Pa  Dec 21, 2014 8:00:04am

re: #238 ObserverArt

Are they not meant to address a perception by a group of people and geared to calm people with understanding?
Read more at littlegreenfootballs.com

That is exactly what our elected leaders should be doing.

241 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 8:02:36am

Newsflash: quoting what some stupid person said is still not a sign of intelligence. Developing…

242 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 8:04:22am

So the argument is that, by voicing his agreement with the concerns of the people he was elected to govern, de Blasio has in effect given permission to violent elements to attack the police?

243 Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2014 8:06:36am

re: #239 Flounder

I think I’ll take Frank Serpico a little more seriously.

Today the combination of an excess of deadly force and near-total lack of accountability is more dangerous than ever: Most cops today can pull out their weapons and fire without fear that anything will happen to them, even if they shoot someone wrongfully. All a police officer has to say is that he believes his life was in danger, and he’s typically absolved. What do you think that does to their psychology as they patrol the streets—this sense of invulnerability? The famous old saying still applies: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. (And we still don’t know how many of these incidents occur each year; even though Congress enacted the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act 20 years ago, requiring the Justice Department to produce an annual report on “the use of excessive force by law enforcement officers,” the reports were never issued.)

It wasn’t any surprise to me that, after Michael Brown was shot dead in Ferguson, officers instinctively lined up behind Darren Wilson, the cop who allegedly killed Brown. Officer Wilson may well have had cause to fire if Brown was attacking him, as some reports suggest, but it is also possible we will never know the full truth—whether, for example, it was really necessary for Wilson to shoot Brown at least six times, killing rather than just wounding him. As they always do, the police unions closed ranks also behind the officer in question. And the district attorney (who is often totally in bed with the police and needs their votes) and city power structure can almost always be counted on to stand behind the unions.

Many white Americans, indoctrinated by the ridiculous number of buddy-cop films and police-themed TV shows that Hollywood has cranked out over the decades—almost all of them portraying police as heroes—may be surprised by the continuing outbursts of anger, the protests in the street against the police that they see in inner-city environments like Ferguson. But they often don’t understand that these minority communities, in many cases, view the police as the enemy. We want to believe that cops are good guys, but let’s face it, any kid in the ghetto knows different. The poor and the disenfranchised in society don’t believe those movies; they see themselves as the victims, and they often are.

politico.com

244 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 8:08:18am

Vernon Geberth, a retired NYPD homicide lieutenant who wrote what is considered the detective’s bible, “Practical Homicide Investigation,” was unmoved.
“De Blasio’s comments have given license to the anti-police activists and thugs to attack the police,” he said. “His comments have been absolutely despicable. Telling his son he should be afraid of the police? I’m not surprised these two police officers have been assassinated as a direct result of de Blasio’s comments.”

Does he not think that the killing of several black youths with no indictments has anything to do with that. Sorry but the last time I checked cops weren’t gods and above criticism. And De Blasio telling his son what he did is just a fact of life that parents of black children have had to tell their sons the same thing for years.

245 De Kolta Chair  Dec 21, 2014 8:08:24am

I suppose it was also the president’s fault that the Baltimore Police Dept. sent a fax to the NYPD warning them to be on the lookout for Ismaaiyl Brinsley. /////

246 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 8:11:03am

re: #242 Targetpractice

So the argument is that, by voicing his agreement with the concerns of the people he was elected to govern, de Blasio has in effect given permission to violent elements to attack the police?

Yes. He basically ordered this murder, doncha know. /

247 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 8:12:57am

re: #239 Flounder

I just repeated what Vernon Geberth, a retired NYPD homicide lieutenant said. nypost.com

You did not structure your post as a quote, so I could not have known that.

Moreover, while I thank Vernon Geberth for his service and I understand how angry he is right now, he is wrong. If Ismaaiyl Brinsley hadn’t popped off over the death of Eric Garner he would have popped off over something else. He was a loser who wanted to commit murder in order to be noticed and then kill himself.

248 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 8:14:09am

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

Note that it was not a quote, it was full agreement.

249 ObserverArt  Dec 21, 2014 8:16:22am

re: #240 Flounder

That is exactly what our elected leaders should be doing.

And I suggest to you that DiBlasio’s comments were just that. Yet, you want to turn his words into a direct connection to yesterday’s shootings.

Couldn’t the police’s reactions to DiBLasio’s words have caused the guy yesterday to get even more upset by the police and led to him going out and shooting some cops? Maybe he thought nothing was ever going to change and lashed out.

I am not making excuses for the shooter, just trying to figure out how anyone can blame DiBlasio’s political words for a direct message to go out and start killing cops. That too is dangerous. To me that thinking is way more out of line than DiBlasio playing politics with his original statement.

250 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 8:22:36am

re: #248 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Note that it was not a quote, it was full agreement.

It’s still wrong. The secret to understanding Brinsley’s pathology is not his fatal shooting of two cops, it’s his shooting and wounding his ex-girlfriend and finally his shooting himself dead. It’s that first act and the final one that give us the picture of the loser wanting to feel powerful and get revenge.

Politics was just what this shitbird latched onto. He never cared about Eric Garner or his family and if he cared other black people he would not have enraged the NYPD in this manner. No, Ismaaiyl Brinsley did not act because of the words of Al Sharpton or Bill de Blasio, he did what he did because he wanted to act out his revenge drama.

Ismaaiyl Brinsley was a bad man and now he’s in Hell. Fuck him. But he should not be taken as representative of anything but America’s crop of self-important rampage killers.

251 Dave In Austin  Dec 21, 2014 8:24:14am
252 Mike Lamb  Dec 21, 2014 8:25:27am

re: #219 lawhawk

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We don’t have to go back that far to find white guys who targeted cops and killed them.

And no screaming headlines about his religion.

253 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 8:26:33am

Apparently only white people can be “lone wolves.”

254 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 8:26:40am

It is a bitter irony while the issue of police misconduct has been framed as a black/white issue, the two cops who were murdered yesterday were Chinese-American and Latino.

255 b_sharp  Dec 21, 2014 8:29:42am

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

It is a bitter irony while the issue of police misconduct has been framed as a black/white issue, the two cops who were murdered yesterday were Chinese-American and Latino.

It’s been framed as a bigotry issue, blacks are just the most visible minority within that issue.

256 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 8:29:44am

re: #253 Targetpractice

Apparently only white people can be “lone wolves.”

People are a lot more likely to see a group rather than an individual as responsible for a crime when they are not part of the group in question.

257 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 8:34:50am
258 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 8:36:25am
259 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 8:36:33am

re: #257 darthstar

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Yeah, this guy seems to fit the profile of the “random loony” to latches onto a cause in order to justify his violence, but because he’s black he can’t be a “lone wolf,” he’s definitely got to acting upon the “hostile criticism” directed towards police.

260 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 8:38:07am
261 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 8:38:56am
262 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 8:40:55am
263 Tigger2  Dec 21, 2014 8:42:10am

re: #261 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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That is the double standard of the rightwing universe.

264 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 8:47:37am

Hell, let’s reach back further. When Loughner killed six people, the wingnuts cried foul at the suggestion that “violent rhetoric” had provoked the shooting. I don’t think anyone here has forgotten the ridiculous suggestion that Palin’s flier showing gunsights was really “surveyors marks,” or all the whining about how suggesting that people tone down the rhetoric was a “violation” of their free speech. They scoffed at the suggestion that Loughner could have been motivated by the hostility shown towards Giffords and argued that he was just mentally ill, thus no motivation could be attributed to his actions.

But now? Now we’re to believe that this guy who’s had multiple run-ins with the cops and a recorded history of violence was motivated by peaceful protests to shoot two cops. Un-fucking-believable.

265 Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2014 8:49:11am

re: #264 Targetpractice

Hell, let’s reach back further. When Loughner killed six people, the wingnuts cried foul at the suggestion that “violent rhetoric” had provoked the shooting. I don’t think anyone here has forgotten the ridiculous suggestion that Palin’s flier showing gunsights was really “surveyors marks,” or all the whining about how suggesting that people tone down the rhetoric was a “violation” of their free speech. They scoffed at the suggestion that Loughner could have been motivated by the hostility shown towards Giffords and argued that he was just mentally ill, thus no motivation could be attributed to his actions.

But now? Now we’re to believe that this guy who’s had multiple run-ins with the cops and a recorded history of violence was motivated by peaceful protests to shoot two cops. Un-fucking-believable.

In wingnut world, cognitive dissonance is a feature, not a bug.

/ (only half)

266 Bubblehead II  Dec 21, 2014 8:52:11am

re: #259 Targetpractice

Yeah, this guy seems to fit the profile of the “random loony” to latches onto a cause in order to justify his violence, but because he’s black he can’t be a “lone wolf,” he’s definitely got to acting upon the “hostile criticism” directed towards police.

And he wasn’t reacting to hostile criticism of the police as his Instagram post make clear.

“Ismaaiyl Brinsley, 28, wrote on his Instagram account: “I’m putting wings on pigs today. They take 1 of ours, let’s take 2 of theirs,” hours before the killings, two city officials with direct knowledge of the case confirmed for The Associated Press.”

His own words make it clear he supposedly wanted revenge for the deaths of Brown and Gardner at the hands of the police and he shot those two cops for being cops. Race had nothing to do with it.

267 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 8:52:34am

re: #253 Targetpractice

Apparently only white people can be “lone wolves.”

It’s right and just to infer the feelings of an entire group of not-white or not-Christian people based on the acts of a single person. That’s because, unlike white people, they are not endowed with free will or individuality.

268 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2014 8:54:17am

A moment of levity:

269 b_sharp  Dec 21, 2014 8:54:18am

re: #262 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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Apparently we should give cops a blank cheque free reign to do whatever they want.

Edit: Makes my point better.

270 BigPapa  Dec 21, 2014 8:57:41am

re: #266 Bubblehead II

His own words make it clear he supposedly wanted revenge for the deaths of Brown and Gardner at the hands of the police and he shot those two cops for being cops. Race had nothing to do with it.

Those who are blaming de Blasio, Obama, Sharpton, et al, are digging in as part of the entrenched order.

They’re freaking out.

I expected Giuliani’s yammering but he actually tried to walk back the criticism of de Blasio. Pataki can fuck right the hell off.

271 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 8:59:16am

re: #262 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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Woods was always somewhat crazy, but this is full-bore nutbar.

272 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 9:02:26am

re: #270 BigPapa

Those who are blaming de Blasio, Obama, Sharpton, et al, are digging in as part of the entrenched order.

They’re freaking out.

I expected Giuliani’s yammering but he actually tried to walk back the criticism of de Blasio. Pataki cut fuck right the hell off.

News update: George Pataki is still a hack politician. Footage at 10. (I live in the Central time zone.)

273 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 9:03:50am

Palin’s rhetoric with that map was irrationally aggressive, uncalled for and simply malicious. She put a target on Giffords. Which is why she was soundly criticized, even though she had, of course, nothing to do with the shooting.

There was nothing aggressive about Holder’s or DeBlasio’s rhetoric. What they said was arguably true, but even if one disagrees, there was nothing “between the lines”. It was a criticism. Something you hear in a polite society. (I have no idea whether Sharpton said anything, but I don’t care about that hack anyway).

Something like this is relevant, but it had nothing to do with DeBlasio or Holder.

So, to repeat, someone who ties DeBlasio’s and Holder’s justified criticisms to this tragedy is either a scumbag, or an imbecile (or both).

274 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 9:07:23am

re: #273 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Palin’s rhetoric with that map was irrationally aggressive, uncalled for and simply malicious. She put a target on Giffords. Which is why she was soundly criticized, even though she had, of course, nothing to do with the shooting.

There was nothing aggressive about Holder’s or DeBlasio’s rhetoric. What they said was arguably true, but even if one disagrees, there was nothing “between the lines”. It was a criticism. Something you hear in a polite society. (I have no idea whether Sharpton said anything, but I don’t care about that hack anyway).

Something like this is relevant, but it had nothing to do with DeBlasio or Holder.

So, to repeat, someone who ties DeBlasio’s and Holder’s justified criticisms to this tragedy is either a scumbag, or an imbecile (or both).

Fine, but those who called for dead cops ought to hang their heads in shame. I don’t think there were that many of them, or that they were emblematic of others, but it still needs to be said they were out of line.

275 Dave In Austin  Dec 21, 2014 9:07:44am

I don’t use “Hate” to describe much, But I think is applies to this turd (small D).

276 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 9:08:32am

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

Fine, but those who called for dead cops ought to hang their heads in shame. I don’t think there were that many of them, or that they were emblematic of others, but it still needs to be said they were out of line.

They should be arrested as far as I’m concerned, but that’s neither here nor there in regard to DeBlasio and Holder.

277 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 9:13:41am

I’d also like to know if anyone has any fresh ideas as to how to handle this plague of murder-minded self-important assholes America is dealing with.

278 b_sharp  Dec 21, 2014 9:15:56am

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

I’d also like to know if anyone has any fresh ideas as to how to handle this plague of murder-minded self-important assholes America is dealing with.

Libertarianism.

279 allegro  Dec 21, 2014 9:16:18am

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

I’d also like to know if anyone has any fresh ideas as to how to handle this plague of murder-minded self-important assholes America is dealing with.

Dismantle Fox news, rw radio, and the NRA for a start.

280 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 9:17:21am

re: #279 allegro

Dismantle Fox news, rw radio, and the NRA for a start.

Two words: First Amendment.

Next.

281 allegro  Dec 21, 2014 9:21:20am

re: #280 Dark_Falcon

Two words: First Amendment.

Next.

If you don’t want an answer to your question, perhaps you might refrain from asking it.

282 Romantic Heretic  Dec 21, 2014 9:25:57am

re: #243 Dr Lizardo

I think I’ll take Frank Serpico a little more seriously.

politico.com

Read his book years ago. Saddened me beyond words.

283 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 9:27:26am

It Has Begun:

Was Brooklyn double cop killer carrying out the work of the Black Guerrilla Family prison gang? Police probe links to group who promised to avenge the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown

The answer: Almost certainly not. This doesn’t profile as gang retaliation. But uninformed media speculation regarding gang involvement is just the sort of thing to whip up anger and fear.

285 allegro  Dec 21, 2014 9:30:29am

re: #283 Dark_Falcon

It Has Begun:

Was Brooklyn double cop killer carrying out the work of the Black Guerrilla Family prison gang? Police probe links to group who promised to avenge the deaths of Eric Garner and Michael Brown

The answer: Almost certainly not. This doesn’t profile as gang retaliation. But uninformed media speculation regarding gang involvement is just the sort of thing to whip up anger and fear.

First Amendment!

286 Romantic Heretic  Dec 21, 2014 9:31:48am

re: #278 b_sharp

Libertarianism.

Um, treating the disease with the bacillus responsible for it?

Not sure that would work.

287 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 9:31:51am
288 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 9:32:24am

re: #287 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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Oh fuck you, John.

289 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 9:34:19am

Sudden Wingnut Syndrome.

290 ObserverArt  Dec 21, 2014 9:35:53am

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

I’d also like to know if anyone has any fresh ideas as to how to handle this plague of murder-minded self-important assholes America is dealing with.

#1 to me is always a damn good Education. For. Everyone.

All the rest of my ideas would never work until we get number one down pat. To me all sensibilities grow out of education.

Stop acting like we have great education in this country and get us up to the standards we think we have…which should be #1 in the world…or tied with all the #1s.

For. Everyone.

291 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 9:37:17am

re: #287 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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292 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 9:38:37am

re: #290 ObserverArt

Free education, incl. universities/colleges. It works in Germany, why shouldn’t it work in the US? Oh, yeah. I forgot. Wingnuts.

293 Amory Blaine  Dec 21, 2014 9:39:19am

Wingnuts are chomping at the bit to turn this into some kind of Benghazi for DeBlasio.

294 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 9:40:00am

OT, but I need to post it before it gets lost in my mass of bookmarks:

BENGHAZI!!1

(Reuters) - At least 25 people have been killed and 103 wounded in the past eight days of fighting between pro-government forces and Islamist groups in Libya’s second city Benghazi, medics said on Thursday.

That brings the death toll to around 475 since the army and forces led by former general Khalifa Haftar started a campaign against Islamists in the port city in mid-October.

The pro-government forces have managed to expel Islamist fighters from the airport area and seize back army camps the Islamists took over in August.

Police and other government institutions have resumed work in some districts where the army is in control but fighting has continued in the port.

Haftar’s warplanes have been bombing the area for weeks, but pro-government forces say Islamists are still holed up in the area.

“We have surrounded them on four sides,” said Haftar’s spokesman, Mohamed El Hejazi.

295 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 9:40:05am

John is trolling, and doesn’t even see it. Thinks he’s witty or insightful by claiming WH is somehow condoning behavior leading to cops getting killed, all because he (and many folks) are demanding accountability and equal justice under law.

He’s not barking up the wrong tree. He’s just flat out wrong.

296 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 9:41:32am

re: #293 Amory Blaine

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for the lead-in by mentioning Benghazi. ;)

297 Dave In Austin  Dec 21, 2014 9:41:54am

re: #293 Amory Blaine

Benghazi for DeBlasio.

That really needs to hit the ether in a big way…… Just for the fun of it.
#BenghaziforDeBlasio

298 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 9:42:03am

Lawhawk didn’t even tear him a new one, only poked gently with a finger. The result:

299 jaunte  Dec 21, 2014 9:47:21am

re: #298 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Schindler is reduced to a tone argument to derail the discussion. Pathetic.

300 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 9:47:58am

re: #298 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Lawhawk didn’t even tear him a new one, only poked gently with a finger. The result:

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I’m afraid Mr. Schindler is showing classic signs of Obama Derangement Syndrome With Additional Holder Fixation (ODS With AHF). If he mentions Obama being on vacation in Hawaii, we’ll be able to diagnose definitively.

301 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 9:53:30am

So PINAC (Run by Carlos Miller) has thrown down for Barrett Brown. *Sigh* Drank the koolaid big time.

DoNotLink

302 De Kolta Chair  Dec 21, 2014 9:54:32am

re: #293 Amory Blaine

Wingnuts are chomping at the bit to turn this into some kind of Benghazi for DeBlasio.

Bill de Benghazio?

303 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 9:56:07am

re: #301 Rightwingconspirator

Everybody is a journalist these days.

304 ObserverArt  Dec 21, 2014 9:58:13am

I mean this in all seriousness.

Who the hell is John Schindler and why the hell should I care what he thinks?

I know in my time here at LGF his tweets many times would be posted by others. That is my level of knowledge of him.

Is he a writer or blogger that was at one time followed by a lot of people here, or were here at one time?

Maybe I should do a search…but with the crap he has been spewing lately I don’t know if I care enough to know.

Anyone have a brief on him?

305 Lidane  Dec 21, 2014 9:58:14am
306 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:01:18am

re: #304 ObserverArt

He’s a “serious person”. Why? Because that’s the conventional wisdom. Why should one care? Well, one really shouldn’t, except he’s taken seriously by many.

307 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:03:58am

That said, nowadays he has slightly less followers than Chuckles the Clown. For a perspective.

308 ObserverArt  Dec 21, 2014 10:04:07am

re: #306 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

He’s a “serious person”. Why? Because that’s the conventional wisdom. Why should one care? Well, one really shouldn’t, except he’s taken seriously by many.

Seriously?

/

309 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 10:08:47am

re: #305 Lidane

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One last time for this graphic:

310 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 10:09:24am

re: #304 ObserverArt

I mean this in all seriousness.

Who the hell is John Schindler and why the hell should I care what he thinks?

I know in my time here at LGF his tweets many times would be posted by others. That is my level of knowledge of him.

Is he a writer or blogger that was at one time followed by a lot of people here, or were here at one time?

Maybe I should do a search…but with the crap he has been spewing lately I don’t know if I care enough to know.

Anyone have a brief on him?


Here’s his blog.

311 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 10:10:54am

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

I’d also like to know if anyone has any fresh ideas as to how to handle this plague of murder-minded self-important assholes America is dealing with.

An FBI investigation into ethics in gaming journalism.

312 De Kolta Chair  Dec 21, 2014 10:13:18am

re: #244 Tigger2

Vernon Geberth, a retired NYPD homicide lieutenant who wrote what is considered the detective’s bible, “Practical Homicide Investigation,” was unmoved.

313 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:13:24am

Full apologist mode on:

314 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 10:13:46am

CT court-The Second Amendment also covers other defensive weapons besides guns. If this sticks it will upend some of the most hypocritical weapon control laws we as ordinary citizens face.

Paged.

315 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 10:14:25am

re: #313 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Full apologist mode on:

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Really? Not a single Republican stood up in support of Bundy or the militia nutters?

316 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:16:02am

re: #315 Targetpractice

Really? Not a single Republican stood up in support of Bundy or the militia nutters?

The GOP has been all but overtaken by the TP fringe freaks, but not in Jonnie’s world.

317 Higgs Boson's Mate  Dec 21, 2014 10:18:51am

re: #313 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

There is no RWNJ GOP fringe because the GOP absorbed it into their main stream. Electing members of that former fringe to Congress seems far from a purge.

318 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:20:16am
319 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 10:22:41am

re: #314 Rightwingconspirator

CT court-The Second Amendment also covers other defensive weapons besides guns. If this sticks it will upend some of the most hypocritical weapon control laws we as ordinary citizens face.

Paged.

Thanks for posting that bit of good sense, RWC.

320 Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2014 10:22:52am

re: #305 Lidane

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I ate a bad burrito about 18 years ago and suffered some, shall we say, dramatic results.

BENGHAZI!!

321 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 10:24:21am

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. How we got from handgun control to baton stick control just amazes me.

322 darthstar  Dec 21, 2014 10:24:39am
323 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 10:24:43am

re: #320 Dr Lizardo

I ate a bad burrito about 18 years ago and suffered some, shall we say, dramatic results.

BENGHAZI!!

Fixed.

324 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:25:16am

smh
thedailybeast.com

One 30-year-old local who gave his first name only as Carlos, didn’t hear the fatal gunfire but saw the hysteria aftewards and walked to the police tape.

“A lot of people were clapping and laughing,” he said.

“Some were saying, ‘They deserved it,’ and another was shouting at the cops, ‘Serves them right because you mistreat people!’” he said.

325 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 10:27:50am

re: #324 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

smh
thedailybeast.com

Some people are very stupid.

326 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 10:29:55am

re: #324 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

It’s quite unsettling on many levels. One of those levels is the dramatic huge response to the policemen’s killing as opposed to the relatively small response to civilian murders in the same area. That send an unintended very unfortunate message-Our lives matter more than yours.

This is what happens as events spin out of control with anger.

327 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:31:20am

What, Cheney doesn’t count?

328 makeitstop  Dec 21, 2014 10:34:40am

re: #327 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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What, Cheney doesn’t count?

Or Hannity?

329 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 10:34:42am

re: #327 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

What, Hannity and Rush Limbaugh don’t count?

330 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2014 10:34:49am

Meanwhile, in north-west UK:

331 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 10:35:01am

re: #328 makeitstop

2. 2 seconds. Heh.

332 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 10:35:31am

re: #329 lawhawk

What, Hannity and Rush Limbaugh don’t count?

Or O’Reilly?

333 bratwurst  Dec 21, 2014 10:35:32am

re: #327 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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What, Cheney doesn’t count?

Sean Hannity’s show was a nightly love letter to Bundy until even his ilk had to abandon that idiot.

334 Belafon  Dec 21, 2014 10:36:36am

re: #314 Rightwingconspirator

Only white people own guns, but anyone can own a stick.

That will be interesting if it makes it to yhe Supreme Court. Here in Texas, it’s illegal to carry martial arts weapons. I’m pretty sure they’ll argue something about gangs and the need to regulate those differently and not see the irony.

335 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:36:48am

re: #327 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

motherjones.com

Fair enough. But I assume this means we can blame Bill O’Reilly for his 28 episodes of invective against “Tiller the Baby Killer” that eventually ended in the murder of Wichita abortion provider George Tiller by anti-abortion activist Scott Roeder. We can blame conservative talk radio for fueling the anti-government hysteria that led Timothy McVeigh to bomb a federal building in Oklahoma City. We can blame the relentless xenophobia of Fox News for the bombing of an Islamic Center in Joplin or the massacre of Sikh worshippers by a white supremacist in Wisconsin. We can blame the NRA for the mass shootings in Newtown and Aurora. We can blame Republicans for stoking the anti-IRS paranoia that prompted Andrew Joseph Stack to crash a private plane into an IRS building in Austin, killing two people. We can blame the Christian Right for the anti-gay paranoia that led the Westboro Baptist Church to picket the funeral of Matthew Snyder, a US Marine killed in Iraq, with signs that carried their signature “God Hates Fags” slogan. We can blame Sean Hannity for his repeated support of Cliven Bundy’s “range war” against the BLM, which eventually motivated Jerad and Amanda Miller to kill five people in Las Vegas after participating in the Bundy standoff and declaring, “If they’re going to come bring violence to us, well, if that’s the language they want to speak, we’ll learn it.” And, of course, we can blame Rudy Giuliani and the entire conservative movement for their virtually unanimous indifference to the state-sanctioned police killings of black suspects over minor offenses in Ferguson and Staten Island, which apparently motivated the murder of the New York police officers on Saturday.

Or wait. Maybe we can’t do any of those things. Maybe lots of people support lots of things, and we can’t twist that generalized support into blame for maniacs who decide to take up arms for their own demented reasons. Maybe that’s a better idea after all.

I don’t agree with the MBF’ing tho. There is a big difference between justified criticism and shamelessly violent rhetoric.

336 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 10:37:05am

re: #327 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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What, Cheney doesn’t count?

Dick Cheney isn’t a racist like Hannity and Limbaugh. And the lives of foreign terrorists don’t matter nearly as much as those of black Americans because the latter are American citizens.

337 makeitstop  Dec 21, 2014 10:37:26am

re: #331 lawhawk

2. 2 seconds. Heh.

It’s an extension of conservatives’ conception that ‘all liberals think alike’ - Limbaugh and Hannity have zero effect on public attitudes, while all liberals hang on every word that Sharpton says and follow his ‘instructions’ (whatever the hell they are) to the letter.

Infuriating.

338 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 10:37:50am

re: #334 Belafon

Only white people own guns, but anyone can own a stick.

That will be interesting if it makes it to yhe Supreme Court. Here in Texas, it’s illegal to carry martial arts weapons. I’m pretty sure they’ll argue something about gangs and the need to regulate those differently and not see the irony.

Excuse me?

339 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:38:13am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

Dick Cheney isn’t a racist like Hannity and Limbaugh. And the lives of foreign terrorists don’t matter nearly as much as those of black Americans because the latter are American citizens.

Umm. No comment.

340 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 10:39:19am

re: #324 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

smh
thedailybeast.com

No offense, but considering the “Witness #40” BS, I’m gonna need something more than “Carlos’” word that what he claims he saw actually happened.

341 ObserverArt  Dec 21, 2014 10:39:45am

re: #329 lawhawk

What, Hannity and Rush Limbaugh don’t count?

Well, with that one very stupid tweet, I am now convinced I do not care what John Schindler thinks.

That is the very definition of “our shit doesn’t stink” if he thinks there are no Al Sharpton’s on the right.

Hell, if you would put all the loudmouths of the GOP on a scale I think it would be very unbalanced on the right side.

342 CuriousLurker  Dec 21, 2014 10:40:30am

I’m just sayin’…

343 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:40:32am

re: #340 Targetpractice

No offense, but considering the “Witness #40” BS, I’m gonna need something more than “Carlos’” word that what he claims he saw actually happened.

Correct. But I would also take the “dead cops” video into account.

344 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 10:40:56am

re: #334 Belafon

Only white people own guns, but anyone can own a stick.

That will be interesting if it makes it to yhe Supreme Court. Here in Texas, it’s illegal to carry martial arts weapons. I’m pretty sure they’ll argue something about gangs and the need to regulate those differently and not see the irony.

I take it the first line is sarc? Anyway one point against the laws that banned inexpensive handguns was that it set up exactly what you said. Only elites could have guns, deliberately priced out of the range of the honest poor. Code for black Americans really. As if drug sales funded gang would be impaired….

345 Belafon  Dec 21, 2014 10:41:16am

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

I was being a bit hyperbolic, assuming most people would get it. Why did Reagan sign gun legislation as governor? Why does Texas regulate martial arts weapons more than guns?

346 Snarknado!  Dec 21, 2014 10:42:56am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

And the lives of foreign terrorists don’t matter nearly as much as those of black Americans because the latter are American citizens.

What would Jesus say?

347 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:42:59am
348 Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2014 10:43:12am

re: #345 Belafon

I was being a bit hyperbolic, assuming most people would get it. Why did Reagan sign gun legislation as governor? Why does Texas regulate martial arts weapons more than guns?

FUCKIN’ NINJAS, MAN!!!

349 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 10:43:45am

re: #345 Belafon

I was being a bit hyperbolic, assuming most people would get it. Why did Reagan sign gun legislation as governor? Why does Texas regulate martial arts weapons more than guns?

Because gun control for many legislators was never just about guns. It’s about disarming ordinary citizens despite the 2nd, with the excuse they might do something wrong with it some day.

350 bratwurst  Dec 21, 2014 10:43:47am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

And the lives of foreign terrorists don’t matter nearly as much as those of black Americans because the latter are American citizens.

Sigh

351 Belafon  Dec 21, 2014 10:45:48am

re: #349 Rightwingconspirator

Because gun control for many legislators was never just about guns. It’s about disarming ordinary citizens despite the 2nd, with the excuse they might do something wrong with it some day.

True, but the evidence as I see it shows that they were targeting a particular group. Maybe ninjas.

352 De Kolta Chair  Dec 21, 2014 10:46:44am

re: #310 Dark_Falcon


Here’s his blog.

Yeesh, he does go on (and on and on and on and on), doesn’t he?

Diagnosis: Late Onset Adult Narcissism.

353 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 10:47:14am

re: #344 Rightwingconspirator

I take it the first line is sarc? Anyway one point against the laws that banned inexpensive handguns was that it set up exactly what you said. Only elites could have guns, deliberately priced out of the range of the honest poor. Code for black Americans really. As if drug sales funded gang would be impaired….

Although the gun used for yesterday’s cop murder wasn’t a cheap gun. It was a Taurus PT92, a Brazilian variation on the Beretta Model 92 used by the US Army as the M9. Note though that while the variant was designed in Brazil, those sold in the US are made here. While its not pricey, its not cheap either, retailing at around $450 dollars, not including extra mags or ammo.

354 Dark_Falcon  Dec 21, 2014 10:48:19am

Gotta go, BBL.

355 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 10:51:46am

Not happy to bring this one up but it’s now inescapable. There is a very tough question bubbling to the surface that almost nobody wants to openly discuss-

In the face of a violently bad cop, what immediate defensive right does one have? The law as enforced today says ZERO. NADA. ZIP. just take your beating or murder without response.

356 BeachDem  Dec 21, 2014 10:52:05am

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose—from 1992. (bolding mine)

Thousands of off-duty police officers thronged around City Hall yesterday, swarming through police barricades to rally on the steps of the hall and blocking traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge for nearly an hour in the most unruly and angry police demonstration in recent memory…

the harsh emotional pitch reflected widespread anger among rank-and-file officers toward the Mayor for his handling of riots against the police in Washington Heights last July, his refusal to give them semiautomatic weapons and his appointment of an outside panel to investigate corruption…

Mayor Dinkins, who was not at City Hall during the demonstration, denounced the protest as “bordering on hooliganism” and said he held the P.B.A. president, Phil Caruso, responsible for what happened. He accused Mr. Caruso of inciting his members’ passions…

Mr. Dinkins said Mr. Giuliani had egged on the protest irresponsibly for political reasons. “He’s clearly, clearly an opportunist,” Mr. Dinkins said. “He’s seizing upon a fragile circumstance in our city for his own political gain.”…

The officers alternated chants of “No justice! No police!” with slogans like “The Mayor’s on Crack.”

Many officers wore T-shirts saying “Dinkins Must Go!” Hundreds carried hand-painted signs with sayings like “Dear Mayor, have you hugged a drug dealer today,” “Dinkins, We Know Your True Color — Yellow Bellied.”…

They did virtually nothing to control the crowd. At one point, a New York Times photographer who was taking pictures was surrounded by demonstrators, punched in the back and shoved. A police lieutenant told the photographer, Keith Meyers, that he should leave the bridge. “I can’t protect you up here,” the officer said. A New York Times reporter, Alan Finder, was also kicked in the stomach.

nytimes.com

357 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 10:54:21am

re: #351 Belafon

True, but the evidence as I see it shows that they were targeting a particular group. Maybe ninjas.

The infamous Texas Black / Mexican Ninja Posse not doubt. Open carry AR=good. Open carry club or large knife-Go To Jail.

358 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:54:41am

re: #356 BeachDem

An unruly, violent cop mob? No, just upstanding citizens defending their rights and punishing liberal “journalists”!
/need I

359 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:55:44am

wiki

Under the Dinkins administration, crime in New York City decreased more dramatically and more rapidly than at any time in previous New York City history.[3]

360 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 10:56:42am

What is with the “spoiled, entitled brat” mindset?

361 lawhawk  Dec 21, 2014 11:01:38am

re: #359 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

The drop in crime began during the Dinkins Administration, accelerated under the Guiliani Administration and into Bloomberg. And just when people thought that the murder rates couldn’t get lower, the rate is about the lowest on record - just over 300 in a city of 8 million+ under DeBlasio. It was around 2,000 a year only 25 years ago. And it’s been done with a drop in stop and frisk. Imagine that.

362 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 11:03:26am

re: #361 lawhawk

And it’s been done with a drop in stop and frisk. Imagine that.

There is a connection?

363 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 11:11:05am
364 Varek Raith  Dec 21, 2014 11:16:05am

re: #363 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

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Heh.

365 Jenner7  Dec 21, 2014 11:16:21am

re: #178 Flounder

Sorry if this offends people, but here goes:

Those two officers lives are no more valuable than Eric Garner, Mike Brown, Tamir Rice, Kajaime Powell, VonDerrit Myers, Ezrell Ford, Trayvon Martin, etc.

Value all lives. But remember:

366 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:16:27am

Hey all!

How is it today?

367 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 11:16:31am

Lukashenko is publicly pissed off at Russia and at the same time is very, very friendly to Ukraine, and specifically to Poroshenko. Are things about to get interesting?

368 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 11:17:27am

Santa Claus is now officially evil. I mean, WTF? And it’s not just a “gun”, it’s an assault rifle. Thanks for nothing, gun nuts.

Billboard For Butte County Gun Range Shows Santa Holding Gun

sacramento.cbslocal.com

Can you imagine a little kid seeing this and getting confused?

369 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:17:29am

“All Lives Matter” is going to turn into an abortion debate motto.

Just wait.

370 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 11:18:06am

re: #369 FemNaziBitch

“All Lives Matter” is going to turn into an abortion debate motto.

Just wait.

Damn. You’re right.

371 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 11:19:27am

re: #368 Justanotherhuman

I need your clothes, your boots and your reindeer.

372 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:19:52am

re: #336 Dark_Falcon

Dick Cheney isn’t a racist like Hannity and Limbaugh. And the lives of foreign terrorists don’t matter nearly as much as those of black Americans because the latter are American citizens vote and pay taxes.

FTFY

373 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:20:57am

re: #349 Rightwingconspirator

Because gun control for many legislators was never just about guns. It’s about disarming ordinary citizens despite the 2nd, with the excuse they might do something wrong with it some day.

Power in the hands of the people.

I agree with the principle.

I’m not so sure the literal practice is working so well.

374 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:24:20am

Copper kills everything. Why wouldn’t you use it?

375 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 11:25:41am

Sit down and STFU, Rudy.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani blames killing of 2 NYPD officers on anti-police ‘propaganda’ - @HuffPostPol
read more on huffingtonpost.com

376 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:27:07am
377 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 11:27:16am

re: #373 FemNaziBitch

Power in the hands of the people.

I agree with the principle.

I’m not so sure the literal practice is working so well.

Praxis is tricky. Not everyone gets it right.

378 BeachDem  Dec 21, 2014 11:32:20am

re: #375 Justanotherhuman

Sit down and STFU, Rudy.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani blames killing of 2 NYPD officers on anti-police ‘propaganda’ - @HuffPostPol
read more on huffingtonpost.com

Rudy—singing the same one-note bullshit song since (at least) 1992. littlegreenfootballs.com

Mr. Dinkins said Mr. Giuliani had egged on the protest irresponsibly for political reasons. “He’s clearly, clearly an opportunist,” Mr. Dinkins said. “He’s seizing upon a fragile circumstance in our city for his own political gain.”…

(has felonious Kerik added his two cents worth yet?)

379 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:32:49am
380 ObserverArt  Dec 21, 2014 11:34:50am

re: #352 De Kolta Chair

Yeesh, he does go on (and on and on and on and on), doesn’t he?

Diagnosis: Late Onset Adult Narcissism.

Yeah, I took one look at Schindler’s blog and my eyes glazed over. Damn.

381 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:34:55am

I have to go out there today.

and shop.

no choice.

gotta do it and I don’t wanna.

382 Jenner7  Dec 21, 2014 11:36:03am

And now my Dish service has turned off Fox News….

Awwwwwwwwww……yes!

383 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:37:45am

re: #382 Jenner7

And now my Dish service has turned off Fox News….

Awwwwwwwwww……yes!

how’d you do that?

384 De Kolta Chair  Dec 21, 2014 11:41:10am

re: #368 Justanotherhuman

Can you imagine a little kid seeing this and getting confused?

385 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 11:42:01am

re: #378 BeachDem

Rudy—singing the same one-note bullshit song since (at least) 1992. littlegreenfootballs.com

Mr. Dinkins said Mr. Giuliani had egged on the protest irresponsibly for political reasons. “He’s clearly, clearly an opportunist,” Mr. Dinkins said. “He’s seizing upon a fragile circumstance in our city for his own political gain.”…

(has felonious Kerik added his two cents worth yet?)

I think Kerik is still too radioactive to open his mouth, having been released from Federal custody in Oct 2013. He lives in a $2M+ house in Franklin Lakes, NJ, no doubt part of the fruits of his criminally venal existence.

386 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 11:43:04am

re: #384 De Kolta Chair

Embedded Image

Ouch.

387 Bubblehead II  Dec 21, 2014 11:43:10am

re: #383 FemNaziBitch

how’d you do that?

He didn’t. Dish and Fox are having a contract dispute.

Another blackout for Dish customers, this time Fox News

And going from bad to worse, they replaced it with The Blaze.

389 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2014 11:43:54am

re: #367 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Lukashenko is publicly pissed off at Russia and at the same time is very, very friendly to Ukraine, and specifically to Poroshenko. Are things about to get interesting?

He has been keeping an incredibly low profile ever since the Maidan protests started. Kinda wondered what the little White Russian tin-horn dictator is up to.

390 Jenner7  Dec 21, 2014 11:44:07am

re: #383 FemNaziBitch

No special powers, all about money.

391 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:44:28am

re: #390 Jenner7

No special powers, all about money.

*sigh*

392 BeachDem  Dec 21, 2014 11:45:15am

Courtesy of TBogg, a wrapup of the following wingnut twits’ tweets:

Colorless, odorless, shapeless, man-without-form, content or dimension: former New York Governor George Pataki

Sexual assault curator and admiral of money-losing National Review Online, Rich Lowry

Blip in a bygone cultural touchstone and current talking point Pez dispenser on Fox News, Stacey Dash

White trash radio celeb and gun-humper Dana Loesch

Failed political candidate and meat-headed Bhenghazi-truther Dan Bongino

Convicted felon and Judith Regan boinker Bernie Kerik

The Sergeants Benevolent Association of New York

Guy who was in My Bodyguard and then disappeared (Adam Baldwin)

Deadbeat dad guy (Joe Walsh)

Nitwit (Katie Pavlich)
rawstory.com

393 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2014 11:47:13am
394 BeachDem  Dec 21, 2014 11:47:27am

re: #385 Justanotherhuman

I think Kerik is still too radioactive to open his mouth, having been released from Federal custody in Oct 2013. He lives in a $2M+ house in Franklin Lakes, NJ, no doubt part of the fruits of his criminally venal existence.

395 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2014 11:47:45am

re: #388 FemNaziBitch

Illinois just quietly passed a law that makes it a felony to record the police without consent

???

How long until that law faces a court challenge?

396 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 11:48:33am

re: #392 BeachDem

Amazing that Kerik is so readily accepted—oh, wait. It’s Faux News.

They specialize in felon commentators, don’t they?

397 Jenner7  Dec 21, 2014 11:51:13am

Well, I’m off to tackle Target. Wish me luck…

398 b.d.  Dec 21, 2014 11:51:14am

re: #396 Justanotherhuman

Amazing that Kerik is so readily accepted—oh, wait. It’s Faux News.

They specialize in felon commentators, don’t they?

Sometimes I am not sure which cable “News” channel I’m watching, a FoxNews panel or one of those MSNBC prison documentaries?

399 Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 21, 2014 11:51:25am

Anyone else remember a few years ago when Michael Bloomberg claimed that “I have my own army in the NYPD, which is the seventh biggest army in the world”?

400 CuriousLurker  Dec 21, 2014 11:51:44am

re: #162 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Also, the cops’ cultic behavior is ultra-creepy.

You know what else is creepy? The authoritarian streak some people have when it comes to the police, military, etc.—yet they’ll bitch about how they hate POTUS and the federal government for supposedly being tyrannical.

It’s bizarre how they’re able to hold such conflicting attitudes without massive cognitive dissonance…

401 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 11:52:47am

re: #388 FemNaziBitch

Illinois just quietly passed a law that makes it a felony to record the police without consent

???

I expect all good cops to condemn this law. Simple as that.

402 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 11:53:27am

re: #395 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

How long until that law faces a court challenge?

Esp if you’re in your own “castle” and are recording police malevolence?

I’d still do it, and turn it over to the Justice Dept. Wouldn’t want to give the police carte blanche when it comes to brutalizing the public.

403 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2014 11:54:02am

re: #400 CuriousLurker

You know what else is creepy? The authoritarian streak some people have when it comes to the police, military, etc.—yet they’ll bitch about how they hate POTUS and the federal government for supposedly being tyrannical.

It’s bizarre how they’re able to hold such conflicting attitudes without massive cognitive dissonance…

True Patriots reserve the right to determine who is an officer of the law worthy of respect and obedience, and who is a government thug infringing on them.

404 Dr Lizardo  Dec 21, 2014 11:54:03am

With all the negatives about what’s going on in NYC, Im’ma throw this out there as something to remind us all that even when things are bad, there’s something good goin’ on somewhere, even if you don’t always see it, and the news doesn’t report it.

One of my all-time fave documentaries about the Big Apple, and as a caution, there’s some strong language, so it might be NSFW.

NY77: The Coolest Year In Hell.

NY77: The Coolest Year In Hell

405 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:55:28am

IL SB1342

406 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 11:56:08am

re: #389 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

He has been keeping an incredibly low profile ever since the Maidan protests started. Kinda wondered what the little White Russian tin-horn dictator is up to.

Not quite low, considering all the Minsk agreements.

407 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 11:56:53am

re: #400 CuriousLurker

It’s bizarre how they’re able to hold such conflicting attitudes without massive cognitive dissonance…

Decades of training…

408 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 11:57:44am
A new bill passed last week in Illinois would make it a felony to secretly tape any “private conversations,” with steeper punishments for those surreptitiously recording the police. Critics of the proposed law claim it would scare citizens from recording interactions with law enforcement, following a number of high-profile police killings caught on camera.
409 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2014 11:58:14am

re: #406 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Not quite low, considering all the Minsk agreements.

But we have heard little about what is happening in his country.

410 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 11:59:33am

re: #409 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

But we have heard little about what is happening in his country.

As always.

411 Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 21, 2014 12:00:19pm

Good afternoon Lizards.

Away from the political and work scene visiting family in western NY. Making venison stew, venison chili, cookies, more cookies etc. with a break right now to watch the Steeler game.

412 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2014 12:04:50pm

re: #410 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

As always.

The less, the better?

413 FemNaziBitch  Dec 21, 2014 12:06:43pm

bbl

414 blueraven  Dec 21, 2014 12:08:52pm

re: #388 FemNaziBitch

Illinois just quietly passed a law that makes it a felony to record the police without consent

???

I have a feeling this wont stand up to a Constitutional challenge.

415 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 12:09:17pm

re: #408 FemNaziBitch

It would take time but that kind of law has gone down to challenge more than once. Might go like anti abortion laws though, long time to grind through the process of constitutional challenge.

416 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 12:09:26pm

Ceausescu’s last speech. In a few days he will be executed.

Nicolae Ceausescu LAST SPEECH (english subtitles) 1/2
Nicolae Ceausescu LAST SPEECH (english subtitles) 2/2

417 De Kolta Chair  Dec 21, 2014 12:10:15pm

Spotted at the Lot For Less store on the corner for $12.99:

We’re gonna need bigger blood glucose meters.
418 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 12:12:26pm

In which only white people are allowed to make mistakes in their lives, cont.

bigstory.ap.org

“The Rev. Al Sharpton said Garner’s family has no connection to the suspect and denounced the violence. He also said there is no place for angry rhetoric that blames protesters or New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio.

“We are now under intense threat from those who are misguided,” he said. “From those who are trying to blame everyone from civil rights leaders to the mayor rather than deal with an ugly spirit that all of us need to fight.”

“Sharpton told The Associated Press that he’s considering tightening his personal security after receiving nine messages threatening him — all within hours of the shooting.

“He then clicked on his cellphone and played one message in which the male caller used the N-word to address the preacher, followed by a stream of four-letter words used to describe protest actions Sharpton has led against police-involved deaths of unarmed blacks.” More

Has anyone threatened the felon Bernard Kerik for what he says?

419 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 12:13:55pm

re: #414 blueraven

I have a feeling this wont stand up to a Constitutional challenge.

GMTA and a bonus ACLU link

420 GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 21, 2014 12:14:47pm

re: #378 BeachDem

So we can blame cops killing unarmed black people on PoliceOne propaganda?

421 makeitstop  Dec 21, 2014 12:19:35pm

re: #385 Justanotherhuman

I think Kerik is still too radioactive to open his mouth, having been released from Federal custody in Oct 2013. He lives in a $2M+ house in Franklin Lakes, NJ, no doubt part of the fruits of his criminally venal existence.

He’s been on Fox News recently, I believe opining on the Eric Garner case.

No reprobate is too ‘radioactive’ when Fox has an agenda to push.

422 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 12:20:09pm

Would love to have a transcript of this call.

White House says President Obama called New York City Police Commissioner Bill Bratton to express condolences for the killing of 2 officers and to offer support - @DavidNakamura
end of alert

424 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 12:20:37pm

re: #421 makeitstop

He’s been on Fox News recently, I believe opining on the Eric Garner case.

No reprobate is too ‘radioactive’ when Fox has an agenda to push.

So true.

425 b_sharp  Dec 21, 2014 12:25:58pm

re: #286 Romantic Heretic

Um, treating the disease with the bacillus responsible for it?

Not sure that would work.

I should not have to use the sarcasm slashes there.

426 Kragar  Dec 21, 2014 12:31:42pm

So, apparently the Bundy Sniper was an undercover agent

Sure he was,

427 blueraven  Dec 21, 2014 12:32:06pm

re: #423 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Merry Christmas, Nick.

[Embedded content]

Video

brutal

428 Rightwingconspirator  Dec 21, 2014 12:34:08pm

Dear North Korea,
Poke this tiger at your personal peril.

cnn.com

(CNN) — North Korea is accusing the U.S. government of being behind the making of the movie “The Interview.”
And, in a dispatch on state media, the totalitarian regime warns the United States that U.S. “citadels” will be attacked, dwarfing the hacking attack on Sony that led to the cancellation of the film’s release.
Obama: North Korea’s hack not war, but ‘cybervandalism’
Obama: We’re not going to be intimidated North Korea slams U.S. government McCain: Sony hack not ‘cybervandalism’ ‘Dr. Evil’ hijacks ‘SNL,’ slams North Korea
While steadfastly denying involvement in the hack, North Korea accused U.S. President Barack Obama of calling for “symmetric counteraction.”
“The DPRK has already launched the toughest counteraction. Nothing is more serious miscalculation than guessing that just a single movie production company is the target of this counteraction. Our target is all the citadels of the U.S. imperialists who earned the bitterest grudge of all Koreans,” a report on state-run KCNA read.

429 Justanotherhuman  Dec 21, 2014 12:35:01pm

It’s now open season for their rightwing followers.

Fox News Seizes On NYC Cop Killing To Bash Obama

thinkprogress.org

“Fox News seized on the execution style murder of New York City police officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos to condemn President Barack Obama and other African American leaders for advocating reforms to the justice system following the deaths of two unarmed black men.

(snip)

“Fox argued that African American leaders inspired these protesters and created an anti-police environment that motivated Brinsley to murder the two officers.

“The network played video of some agitators in New York City calling for “dead cops.” Host Tucker Carlson lamented that while the killer is ultimately responsible for the massacre, “it’s — almost hard not to point at some of the people who have been whipping up hatred in race over the last few months.” And, the network showed a super cut of Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder, and Rev. Al Sharpton calling for reforms to the justice system, implying that those words led Brinsely to murder: [video]

More

430 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD  Dec 21, 2014 12:37:33pm

re: #427 blueraven

brutal

Not more brutal than what they did to Romania.

431 makeitstop  Dec 21, 2014 12:38:10pm

re: #429 Justanotherhuman

Host Tucker Carlson lamented…
“it’s — almost hard not to point at some of the people who have been whipping up hatred in race over the last few months.”

Yeah, you’re pointing in the wrong direction, there, Bowtie.

432 blueraven  Dec 21, 2014 12:47:07pm

re: #430 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Not more brutal than what they did to Romania.

indeed

433 Kragar  Dec 21, 2014 12:50:06pm
434 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 21, 2014 12:54:31pm

Let’s blame conservatives for all the killings they’re responsible for

So the New York Police, by murdering unarmed suspects, have done nothing to provoke rage or violence against them, but those calling for reforms and justice are provoking violence?

Lemme get my right-wing brain wrapped around that.

435 Targetpractice  Dec 21, 2014 1:02:22pm

re: #434 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Let’s blame conservatives for all the killings they’re responsible for

So the New York Police, by murdering unarmed suspects, have done nothing to provoke rage or violence against them, but those calling for reforms and justice are provoking violence?

Lemme get my right-wing brain wrapped around that.

Yes, apparently they can’t point to anything Sharpton, De Blasio, Holder, or the President has said that is “anti-cop,” so they’re stuck now just insinuating that criticism of inequality in how laws are enforced is itself “anti-cop.”

436 Kragar  Dec 21, 2014 1:03:11pm
437 Kragar  Dec 21, 2014 1:08:03pm
438 unproven innocence  Dec 21, 2014 1:09:15pm

re: #162 Prof. Backpfeifengesicht, PhD

Also, the cops’ cultic behavior is ultra-creepy.

Yes, and this is not a good development. Not at all:
Updates on Fatal Shooting of Two N.Y.P.D. Officers
By Andy Newman
December 20, 2014 7:11 pm

8:23 P.M. Statement Blames Mayor for Shootings

A statement purporting to be from the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, the biggest police union, blamed Mr. de Blasio for the shootings.

“The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words, actions and policies,” read the statement, “and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly.”

The statement instructed officers to forward it to colleagues, and it spread instantly through the department.

The Sergeants Benevolent Association issued a similar statement on Twitter.

439 The Dude Abides  Dec 21, 2014 1:10:17pm

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

I’d also like to know if anyone has any fresh ideas as to how to handle this plague of murder-minded self-important assholes America is dealing with.

Restore the Fairness Doctrine. One of the reasons we’ve become more polarized was its elimination in 1987.

440 Kragar  Dec 21, 2014 1:10:44pm

re: #438 unproven innocence

Yes, and this is not a good development. Not at all:
Updates on Fatal Shooting of Two N.Y.P.D. Officers
By Andy Newman
December 20, 2014 7:11 pm

Time to rebuild the department

441 Romantic Heretic  Dec 21, 2014 1:11:42pm

re: #388 FemNaziBitch

Illinois just quietly passed a law that makes it a felony to record the police without consent

???

They prefer to work in secret. They can accomplish a lot more if someone is watching.

442 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Dec 21, 2014 1:13:07pm

Glad to see we’re ending 2014 on as stupid a note as possible.

Theaters cancel screenings of ‘Team America’ citing Paramount Pictures

A cinema in Dallas planned to show “Team America: World Police” in response to Sony’s pulling “The Interview”, and several others followed suit. The gutsy patriots at Paramount Pictures put the clamp on THAT.

Why? Because.

South Park “201” - Uncensored End Scene

443 ObserverArt  Dec 21, 2014 1:17:15pm

re: #435 Targetpractice

Yes, apparently they can’t point to anything Sharpton, De Blasio, Holder, or the President has said that is “anti-cop,” so they’re stuck now just insinuating that criticism of inequality in how laws are enforced is itself “anti-cop.”

Do not look for any sane reasoning. All they are saying is they do not want to hear it, especially from Sharpton, De Blasio, Holder and the President. They hate them, no reason needed.

Sharpton has long carried baggage in New York from the Tawana Brawley rape mess. No matter what he changes, or becomes after he gets to learn his lesson too, they will never forget him as that Al Sharpton.

The others are hated because they do what drives many stark raving crazy. They mention race, even if reluctantly. And with all of this in the news repeatedly over the last half of this year, they see it as “race talk, all the damn time” even if FOX is guilty of driving race issues as much as anyone.

I see it as one of those gonna get worse before better scenarios. Too much pressure building on both sides. The media will ride all of this hard and just add to everyone’s frustration. What a mess.

444 The Dude Abides  Dec 21, 2014 1:21:53pm

re: #361 lawhawk

The drop in crime began during the Dinkins Administration, accelerated under the Guiliani Administration and into Bloomberg. And just when people thought that the murder rates couldn’t get lower, the rate is about the lowest on record - just over 300 in a city of 8 million+ under DeBlasio. It was around 2,000 a year only 25 years ago. And it’s been done with a drop in stop and frisk. Imagine that.

Primary factor of the drop in violent crime all over the USA: phasing out of unleaded gasoline.

445 Romantic Heretic  Dec 21, 2014 1:25:36pm

re: #439 The Dude Abides

Restore the Fairness Doctrine. One of the reasons we’ve become more polarized was its elimination in 1987.

Probably the most destructive thing that St. Ronny of Raygun did to America.

446 The Dude Abides  Dec 21, 2014 1:37:34pm

re: #445 Romantic Heretic

Probably the most destructive thing that St. Ronny of Raygun did to America.

In hindsight, it’s sure up there.


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