How about if you go fuck yourself? @jamiedelton
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 2, 2015
“We try to ignore the elephant somehow” - great song.
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Much too cowardly a guy for here. A Nazi memorabilia collecting MRA Republican would quickly find himself on the grill.
I gotta say I’m really liking Colbert’s new show.
“One disturbed individual does not make an argument against the second amendment” - said the commentator 300 times in a year. #UCCShooting
— John Johnsonson (@JohnJohnsonson) October 2, 2015
I’ve been on Twitter since 2010, waiting for a conservative to show compassion for something other than a fetus. Still waiting. #UCCShooting
— Casey (@pari_passu) October 2, 2015
Scott Walker is looking for a new career (I hope).
re: #7 Ace-o-aces
Reminds me of some of my favourite Star Trek dialogue. When an Admiral tells Captain Picard that a forced relocation is really no big deal because there’s only 600 people involved, the captain responds with this:
How many people does it take, Admiral, before it becomes wrong? A thousand? Fifty thousand? A million? How many people does it take, Admiral?
This is the same question we’re asking ourselves tonight: How many bodies does it take before things change?
The obvious answer it seems is far far too many.
Does “Chris” sound like a Muslim name to you? @krenshaw_db @ebrownback
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) October 2, 2015
re: #11 Ace-o-aces
Yeah, all those crazy Muslim libertarians…
Umpqua Gunman Targeted Christians Specifically, According to Father of Wounded Student -CNN - http://t.co/r3GoRmHfwS pic.twitter.com/Gj5RmWTN14
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) October 2, 2015
Is there any evidence this is true other than the second hand account of a traumatized parent? It reminds me of similar claims about Columbine that turned out to be B.S.
re: #13 Ace-o-aces
Is there any evidence this is true other than the second hand account of a traumatized parent? It reminds me of similar claims about Columbine that turned out to be B.S.
The longer version. I’ll try to discuss on @AC360 tonight. @onthemedia @kristenhare @KariPricher #Oregon #Umpqua pic.twitter.com/1BRNsgPmbx
— Dave Cullen (@DaveCullen) October 1, 2015
re: #14 teleskiguy
I wish I had a stack of postcards with that on it that I could hand to people.
re: #13 Ace-o-aces
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Is there any evidence this is true other than the second hand account of a traumatized parent? It reminds me of similar claims about Columbine that turned out to be B.S.
No, there’s no evidence. It’s just a rumor.
It’s still too early to say what exactly happened today in Roseburg, OR. From my personal trawling of various internet sources I ascertain this (this is still speculation at this point): The shooter targeted *anyone* who said they were religious, and he targeted women in particular.
re: #17 teleskiguy
It’s still too early to say what exactly happened today in Roseburg, OR. From my personal trawling of various internet sources I ascertain this (this is still speculation at this point): The shooter targeted *anyone* who said they were religious, and he targeted women in particular.
Then tomorrow will feature much wailing about the “militant atheist threat”.
/I wish I was kidding.
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
Then tomorrow will feature much wailing about the “militant atheist threat”.
/I wish I was kidding.
According to the Guardian, Harper-Mercer’s dating profile said he was “pagan, wiccan, no religious, but spiritual.” So, the wailing will also be about Satanism and Christian-hating, though there seems to be nothing in his social media pages indicating he hated Christians especially.
Most folks citing the “targeting Christians” in comments (at places like Gawker and a few other aggregator sites) things are citing the NY Post as the source.
A Skeptic’s Guide to Media Coverage of Mass Shootings: http://t.co/CAD8dkempt @DaveCullen
— New Republic (@NewRepublic) October 2, 2015
re: #20 The Ghost of a Flea
Most folks citing the “targeting Christians” in comments (at places like Gawker and a few other aggregator sites) things are citing the NY Post as the source.
And the Post got it from some other source equally unreliable.
re: #19 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
According to the Guardian, Harper-Mercer’s dating profile said he was “pagan, wiccan, no religious, but spiritual.” So, the wailing will also be about Satanism and Christian-hating, though there seems to be nothing in his social media pages indicating he hated Christians especially.
Well, its October, so anti-wiccan folks can call for witch burnings to eliminate the threat.
[groan]
re: #23 Amory Blaine
Has the dating profile been authenticated?
It has the same photos as others circulating, but police spokespeople have not confirmed them. I’d say it’s at least a 90% chance the dating profile was Harper’s.
So, one of the founders of Peeple is saying there’s nothing to worry about, and then makes this false analogy:
Peeple co-founder Julia Cordray told the BBC: “With any new concept there is naturally fear.
“When the people found out that the Earth was round instead of flat and that we revolved around the Sun instead of the Sun revolving around us, naturally people were upset and confused and they pushed back with all that they had.”
GOP willing to shut down govt. over fake Planned Parenthood videos, but real gun violence is met with “Eh, whuddya gonna do? Shit happens.”
— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) October 2, 2015
re: #27 Kragar
GOP idolatry at work: fetus worship, gun worship.
Facebook friend in Bushwick (NYC) posted this:
Pendejo means asshole, idiot, or pubic hair, depending on the speaker’s country of origin and the context.
I see Joe the Intern Slayer is all over the “Christian Killer” angle this morning.
Ha! I was right. Kim Davis did not have a special, private meeting with the Pope, and he did not specifically tell her it was OK to violate the SSM law.
She was one of several people in a line to greet Francis. The only really private meetings were with Francis’ former students, the Vatican says.
So, basically, Mat Staver and Kim Davis were lying for Jesus — again.
The other shoe is starting to drop…Kim Davis didn’t get a private meeting with the Pope and was a pawn in some internal Vatican ratfucking game? (I’m thinking Raymond Burke or some other conservative American Cardinals are behind it). How long is Carlo Maria Vigano (the Vatican Nuncio in Washington) going to remain in that position, before being reassigned to manage some Catholic charity in Liberia?
All of these self-righteous “Christians” who cloak their hypocrisy and bigotry behind religion really piss me off. They want to quote a couple obscure Old Testament verses about marriage, yet skip the entire set of verses about the Ten Commandments (or use them when politically expedient).
I was going to say “Fuck You Kim Davis,” but then that would mean that hate has won. Kim, before you die, may you learn to love at the level of those you discriminate against.
Pope Francis’ Meeting Wasn’t an Endorsement of Kim Davis’s Views, Vatican Says (NYT)
“Pope Francis met with several dozen persons who had been invited by the Nunciature to greet him as he prepared to leave Washington for New York City,” Father Lombardi said in the statement, referring to the Vatican’s term for its embassy.
He added: “Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the pope’s characteristic kindness and availability. The only real audience granted by the pope at the Nunciature was with one of his former students and his family.”
Vatican Source: Pope Blindsided By Meeting With Controversial Kentucky Clerk (CBS Chicago)
A highly placed source inside the Vatican claims the Pope was blindsided.
As Pope Francis was addressing a joint session of Congress, then thousands more gathered outside on the west lawn, Kim Davis, who’d become the poster child for opponents of same-sex marriage, was getting ready for a meeting with him at the Vatican embassy.
It is a meeting some charge was orchestrated by the man who lived there, the Pope’s representative here, Carlo Maria Vigano.
Not even the Papal Spokesman Federico Lombardi knew about it ahead of time. Nor did the leadership of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which would have opposed it.
Others claim the Pope knew about the meeting and had ordered Vatican diplomats, perhaps even Vigano, to set it up.
CBS 2’s Vatican source doesn’t think so.
re: #30 Dave In Austin
I see Joe the Intern Slayer is all over the “Christian Killer” angle this morning.
As I’m sure most of you can imagine, my FB feed has absolutely been exploding with posts about the shooter supposedly specifically targeting Christians. The thing is, even if he was, he’s still one lone-nut asshole murdering people. It’s not persecution and it’s not a license to start banning teh ghey and everything else Christians don’t like.
re: #32 Thor Heyerdahl
I tell ya, as soon as Staver and Davis started crowing about this “secret, private” meeting with the Pope, it smelled fishy. Basically, they exaggerated a grip-and-grin photo op into a full-blown audience with His Holiness. I figured it was more like:
Papal assistant: Your Holiness, this is Kim Davis of Kentucky.
Davis: Hello, father, I am Kim Davis, and I’m having some troubles, because I oppose SSM but my job is to issue marriage licenses.I went to jail about it for six terrible, agonizing days.
Francis: Bless you, my child, be strong, stay the course. Here’s some Rosary beads. Say the Rosary every day, and she will help you.
Davis: Sorry, I’m not Catholic, but my parents are.
Francis: In that case, have two sets of beads.
Papal assistant: Next, please.
re: #32 Thor Heyerdahl
Iodine for content and a billion for the name.
re: #34 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Trying to get in an early lead in the run for Patron Saint of Grift?
re: #36 Thor Heyerdahl
Trying to get in an early lead in the run for Patron Saint of Grift?
Either looking for Catholic suckers, or hoping to recruit Catholic allies in their lost cause.
Yeah, I got an earful of the “of course, it’s a Muslim . . ” last night.
So called Xtians have no idea how much disdain other white people have for their version of God.
Most of us hear “Christian” and we run the other way.
Wingnuts have found their talking point, and it is MOAR GUNZ!!!!1!!!!
So surprise.
Truth @POTUS #tcot #WakeUpAmerica #ccot @BlissTabitha @Stonewall_77 @CarmineZozzora @jjauthor @LeahR77 @jstines3 pic.twitter.com/tif4KmtyiP
— Darryl (@peady63) October 2, 2015
re: #32 Thor Heyerdahl
you have a great moniker!
re: #38 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Yeah, I got an earful of the “of course, it’s a Muslim . . ” last night.
So called Xtians have no idea how much disdain other white people have for their version of God.
Most of us hear “Christian” and we run the other way.
Except he’s not Muslim.
The Senate Just Took a Huge Step on Criminal Justice Reform
I was always taught that prison was a deterrent to crime. I’m not so sure anymore.
re: #33 thedopefishlives
I went and unfollowed all my pet wingnuts on facebook yesterday as soon as the “OMG he went after Christians” shit hit the fan. So far my newsfeed is fairly clear of that nonsense. I’m about to go post the Dave Cullen link about how wrong the news is right after one of these damned shootings, let’s see how that goes over, lol. These people…..
re: #39 The Vicious Babushka
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They’re admitting tehy want military rule. I have a feeling the many wingnuts on your TL wold have loved post WWII Latin America.
re: #32 Thor Heyerdahl
The other shoe is starting to drop…Kim Davis didn’t get a private meeting with the Pope and was a pawn in some internal Vatican ratfucking game? (I’m thinking Raymond Burke or some other conservative American Cardinals are behind it). How long is Carlo Maria Vigano (the Vatican Nuncio in Washington) going to remain in that position, before being reassigned to manage some Catholic charity in Liberia?
All of these self-righteous “Christians” who cloak their hypocrisy and bigotry behind religion really piss me off. They want to quote a couple obscure Old Testament verses about marriage, yet skip the entire set of verses about the Ten Commandments (or use them when politically expedient).
I was going to say “Fuck You Kim Davis,” but then that would mean that hate has won. Kim, before you die, may you learn to love at the level of those you discriminate against.
Pope Francis’ Meeting Wasn’t an Endorsement of Kim Davis’s Views, Vatican Says (NYT)
Vatican Source: Pope Blindsided By Meeting With Controversial Kentucky Clerk (CBS Chicago)
I still wish he had not done it but I am willing to bet that he also probably had no idea who she was.
I haven’t been on since 5:30 last night so I see “the shooter was a Muslim” angle and that Christians were targeted. Even if the latter was so, there’s a lot of acts of violence committed in the name of Christianity and no one who is condemning Atheism or Islam condemns Christianity for. Conservative Christianity never got ciriticized for Eric Rudolph’s acts even though Islam as a whole gets the blame whenever a Muslim so much as brings a clock to school.
re: #46 HappyWarrior
The short version, imo, is that the American wingnut wing of the Catholic church set this up so Davis’ publicity dept (and make no mistake, she has one) could use this as a way to take the overall good feelings the Pope is generating and glom onto that for money. Period. She’s supposed to be “writing” a book soon, timed to hit the shelves for the holidays. Just in time for the War On Christmas. Because the Kentucky Fried Dingbat doesn’t have enough money with her 80K a year salary. I’m sick of her face. And her supporters.
DOJ files suit against City of Des Plaines, IL., for blocking Islamic Center https://t.co/9MN9W7mB9D pic.twitter.com/YkL45pPDYF
— SPLC (@splcenter) October 1, 2015
Pope needs to clean house if Kim Davis can get thru to see him.
His handlers need to be changed.
re: #47 HappyWarrior
I think I’m going to just respond the that Muslim “issue” with a list of guys like Rudolph and no other comment. I predict I will lose friends, lol. Fuck it, I’m tired of being nice.
Lots of people on my twitter (foreigners) are saying that American’s are afraid of everything.
I think they might be right.
re: #48 A Mom Anon
The short version, imo, is that the American wingnut wing of the Catholic church set this up so Davis’ publicity dept (and make no mistake, she has one) could use this as a way to take the overall good feelings the Pope is generating and glom onto that for money. Period. She’s supposed to be “writing” a book soon, timed to hit the shelves for the holidays. Just in time for the War On Christmas. Because the Kentucky Fried Dingbat doesn’t have enough money with her 80K a year salary. I’m sick of her face. And her supporters.
Sounds right to me.
re: #51 A Mom Anon
I think I’m going to just respond the that Muslim “issue” with a list of guys like Rudolph and no other comment. I predict I will lose friends, lol. Fuck it, I’m tired of being nice.
Welcome to my world.
re: #50 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Pope needs to clean house if Kim Davis can get thru to see him.
His handlers need to be changed.
His “handlers” were the American cardinals, which according to Charles Pierce, are Benedict fanboys. They set up the meeting, he says, to undermine the Pope’s visit.
re: #29 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Facebook friend in Bushwick (NYC) posted this:
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Pendejo means asshole, idiot, or pubic hair, depending on the speaker’s country of origin and the context.
I speak Spanish and I didn’t know the last definition. Good to know.
Now I’m curious as to where that definition is from. :)
You know, the only person (AFAIK) who said the Oregon shooter was Muslim is UpChuck, based on absolutely no evidence than the fart out of his ass. weev tweeted a link to UpChuck’s blog, and now this falsehood has entered the RWNJ reality bubble.
Queer City isn’t buying that Pope didn’t know what he was doing by meeting with Kim Davis.
re: #52 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Lots of people on my twitter (foreigners) are saying that American’s are afraid of everything.
I think they might be right.
I agree unfortunately. A lot of paranoia.
re: #55 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
His “handlers” were the American cardinals, which according to Charles Pierce, are Benedict fanboys. They set up the meeting, he says, to undermine the Pope’s visit.
American RC hierarchy is worse than the Borgias.
re: #47 HappyWarrior
I haven’t been on since 5:30 last night so I see “the shooter was a Muslim” angle and that Christians were targeted. Even if the latter was so, there’s a lot of acts of violence committed in the name of Christianity and no one who is condemning Atheism or Islam condemns Christianity for. Conservative Christianity never got ciriticized for Eric Rudolph’s acts even though Islam as a whole gets the blame whenever a Muslim so much as brings a clock to school.
From the stuff I’ve seen, I think he’s just a few degrees separated from Neo-Nazism. The guy’s a neopagan (which was popular among Himmler and some of his lackeys) and he uses the alias “IRONCROSS45”?
No, Conservatives: Chris Harper-Mercer, the Cop-Loving Republican Shooter Was NOT A Black Lives Matter Protester http://t.co/NoJ76u1PCc
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) October 2, 2015
re: #51 A Mom Anon
I think I’m going to just respond the that Muslim “issue” with a list of guys like Rudolph and no other comment. I predict I will lose friends, lol. Fuck it, I’m tired of being nice.
I mean these people blame atheism for Stalinism and even more absurdly Nazism and ignore that the Christan religion has been used to justify not only killing millions of non-Christians but millions of Christians too.
Any more news on the mindset of the killer in Oregon?
re: #61 Timothy Watson
For the stuff I’ve seen, I think he’s just a few degrees seperated from Neo-Nazism. The guy’s a neopagan (which was popular among Himmler and some of his lackeys) and he uses the alias “IRONCROSS45”?
An occultist type. NeoNazi for sure with that username.
re: #62 Dr. Matt
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re: #61 Timothy Watson
More evidence: If this is the same guy, he purchased a Waffen-SS dress uniform hat
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re: #65 HappyWarrior
An occultist type. NeoNazi for sure with that username.
The kind of person who sees “signs” in just about everything that confirm his world view?
re: #68 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
The kind of person who sees “signs” in just about everything that confirm his world view?
Thinking more like how Himmler was. They see Christianity as bastardized Judaism. It’s a fairly common view in Neo-Nazi communities.
Thus these types embrace a sort of paganism that their ancestors may have practiced before the arrival of Christianity because they see it as “pure” and “Germanic.” Not all pagans are like that of course just as not all Christians are Christian Identity or funding zealots.
No matter what comes out of the investigation you can rest assured that, for conservatives, the shooter was a Muslim who targeted Christians. Watch for a flood of gun toting goobers to show up this Sunday to protect churches from the Muslim hordes. This won’t end here.
re: #67 Timothy Watson
More evidence: If this is the same guy, he purchased a Waffen-SS dress uniform hat
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Don’t think it is the same guy. That links says the purchaser is from Lehi, Ut. Where as (the shooters) family (at least his father) resides in Tarzana, Ca.
*edited for clarity*
Unfortunately, I’m fairly sure that, by the way they act whenever it comes up, that most of these assholes believe Muslim and Pagan to be essentially equivalent anyway and will simply crank up the noise.
Christian Preacher: I’ve Raised 35 People from the Dead by Praying for Them
You’ll all be thrilled to learn that Christian preacher Todd Bentley, last seen explaining how kicking women in the face was a way to heal them, has resurrected 35 people thanks to the power of God:
Yeah, run the other way —fast!
re: #74 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Christian Preacher: I’ve Raised 35 People from the Dead by Praying for Them
Yeah, run the other way —fast!
I notice he doesn’t kick men in the face.
re: #76 Kid A
Good morning from Wingnutistan.
Just another day in Texas…
There’s a nice industry dedicated to the fantasy that someone’s gonna take their guns. Suckers.
re: #78 HappyWarrior
There’s a nice industry dedicated to the fantasy that someone’s gonna take their guns. Suckers.
Obama has been great for the gun industry.
re: #74 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Christian Preacher: I’ve Raised 35 People from the Dead by Praying for Them
Yeah, run the other way —fast!
I want to see the death certificates!!
re: #79 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Obama has been great for the gun industry.
As was Bill Clinton and Obama’s successor.
re: #76 Kid A
Good morning from Wingnutistan.
Just another day in Texas…
Trying to take guns away in this country would take alien intervention. Law Enforcement would have to go over every inch of land and wall space in the country with metal detectors and other sciency gadgets SIMULTANEOUSLY to find them all.
Then they would have to find a way to monitor anyone with the skill sets to work with metal that might make a firearm in their basement or garage.
Okay the guy that owns that truck just walked out to it. It’s every stereotype you could imagine.
Maybe the police should be stopping and frisking young white males living in suburban communities for weapons.
Reagan had more of a record as a “gun grabber” then Obama but Ronnie wasn’t a black guy from Chicago with a funny name so the gun nuts loooved him.
White Americans Are Biggest Terror Threat in U.S.: Study http://t.co/BQLenmfzge via @nbcnews
— Deesha P (@DeeshaPhilyaw) October 2, 2015
re: #79 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Obama has been great for the gun industry.
Indeed. Every time he talks reasonably about guns, gun and ammo purchases go through the roof. Glock should send him a case of Caymus at Christmas for all the business.
re: #51 A Mom Anon
I think I’m going to just respond the that Muslim “issue” with a list of guys like Rudolph and no other comment. I predict I will lose friends, lol. Fuck it, I’m tired of being nice.
Post the list here so we can make a meme out of it for Teh Twitters.
He’s white? Check. Vietnam veteran hat? Check. Over sixty years old? Check. Cowboy boots? Check.
The firearms industry is prospering. If Obama were truly anti-gun and or a tyrant, this wouldn’t be the case. As I said guys like that driver are suckers, pawns even in the gun industry’s silly game they’ve played for as long as I can remember that firearm rights are under attack from liberals.
re: #90 Kid A
He’s white? Check. Vietnam veteran hat? Check. Over sixty years old? Check. Cowboy boots? Check.
Beard? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
re: #85 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
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Heh, reminds me of the Chris Rock skit where he talks about diving off an elevator because two white teenagers got on it:
Hillary Clinton to Appear on ‘Saturday Night Live’—that’s why she’s not at HRC http://t.co/Dkhopl2ilb
— Windy City Times (@WindyCityTimes1) October 2, 2015
re: #92 HappyWarrior
Beard? Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
He don’t need no stinkin’ beard!
re: #87 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
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Maybe we need to reread the 2009 report that was so roundly poopoo by the rightwing nutjobs back then. Everything it cited has happened.
re: #94 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
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It should help. I’d suggest some other shows too for younger viewers. She’s got a sense of humor. She would benefit from showing it.
re: #96 Eventual Carrion
Maybe we need to reread the 2009 report that was so roundly poopoo by the rightwing nutjobs back then. Everything it cited has happened.
Which was oddly enough started by the Bush DHS but yes I remember the fury when the report suggested that these groups would recruit vets. Well McVeigh was a vet, Nichols too, Rudolph, Frazier Glenn Miller, etc.
re: #74 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Christian Preacher: I’ve Raised 35 People from the Dead by Praying for Them
Yeah, run the other way —fast!
Bentley was the main attraction at a heavily-promoted “Lakeland Revival” back in 2008 (it’s been that long?). Anyway, ABC pretty much busted him on his healing claims. I seem to recall he said he’d raised 20 people from the dead in the course of that revival—but no proof, none whatsoever.
The only thing that has changed is that Bentley’s now moved his shtick to Africa, where there’s even lesser oversight than here on wild claims.
re: #97 HappyWarrior
It should help. I’d suggest some other shows too for younger viewers. She’s got a sense of humor. She would benefit from showing it.
Guest role on The Simpsons?
re: #100 dholmes32
Bentley was the main attraction at a heavily-promoted “Lakeland Revival” back in 2008 (it’s been that long?). Anyway, ABC pretty much busted him on his healing claims. I seem to recall he said he’d raised 20 people from the dead in the course of that revival—but no proof, none whatsoever.
The only thing that has changed is that Bentley’s now moved his shtick to Africa, where there’s even lesser oversight than here on wild claims.
Seen God Loves Uganda? Scary scary stuff.
re: #1 Kragar
I was going to ask, “Are those the good guys or the bad guys?”
Then I remembered there are no good guys in Warhammer 40K.
re: #99 HappyWarrior
Which was oddly enough started by the Bush DHS but yes I remember the fury when the report suggested that these groups would recruit vets. Well McVeigh was a vet, Nichols too, Rudolph, Frazier Glenn Miller, etc.
And it also cited abortion protesters, religious nuts, militia types. All has come to pass. But now back to the Benghazi “investigation”.
re: #83 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Trying to take guns away in this country would take alien intervention. Law Enforcement would have to go over every inch of land and wall space in the country with metal detectors and other sciency gadgets SIMULTANEOUSLY to find them all.
Then they would have to find a way to monitor anyone with the skill sets to work with metal that might make a firearm in their basement or garage.
My suggestion has always been to do nothing about the guns, but to tax the hell out of the bullets and to require gun manufacturers to use special identification on each bullet. It’s better than not doing anything.
What would REALLY put a crimp into the gun festivities is if insurance companies were to change up their policies to not cover gun-related crimes, or to require a special rider to have a gun in an insured home.
But what really has to happen is a sea change in thinking that says gun deaths are a public health nightmare and unacceptable.
re: #105 Eventual Carrion
And it also cited abortion protesters, religious nuts, militia types. All has come to pass. But now back to the Benghazi “investigation”.
Right. How very correct that report was and how the nuts shat on it and Napolitano.
re: #20 The Ghost of a Flea
Most folks citing the “targeting Christians” in comments (at places like Gawker and a few other aggregator sites) things are citing the NY Post as the source.
The second I saw the Post article linked in over at Facebook I rolled my eyes so hard that I saw my brain.
You can’t trust the Post to report the weather correctly.
and I thought Shirley< was a Herman Wouk thing.
I am not jesting.
“What if one of the people killed yesterday had the ability to find the cure for cancer?”
Because so many of the pro-gun people are anti-abortion people.
re: #108 HappyWarrior
Right. How very correct that report was and how the nuts shat on it and Napolitano.
More recent reports have identified “sovereign citizens” as the major terrorist threat in the USA, not jihadists. I know more about sovereign citizens than I care to admit and the problem with saying “sovereign citizens” is two-fold. First of all: since the Great Recession, “sovereign citizen” ideology has expanded from its ultra-right wing, white nationalist roots and has been embraced by some African-Americans.
Second, there is no one or two or five or eight or twenty-seven people who are “leaders” in the sovcit movement. It’s like every wo/man for himself. So you have some sovereign citizens who are simply in it because they want to dodge taxes, and then you have the guys like Thomas Deegan who was going to perform a coup d’etat at the West Virginia statehouse last week. They’re all over the map.
re: #107 dholmes32
But what really has to happen is a sea change in thinking that says gun deaths are a public health nightmare and unacceptable.
QFT
Again, as long as we are killing our own, no one will take notice. It seems we need an “other” to blame before we get serious.
It used to be black people were the knee-jerk scapegoats. The white power structure hasn’t been able to deal with it and it’s been something like 4 decades since the CRA.
Luckily, there was the Russians, then the gays (aids) then the drug cartels, then 9/11.
Somehow, the rest of us have figured out that it doesn’t matter the boogieman, xenophobia is not the answer.
humans!
re: #113 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
QFT
Again, as long as we are killing our own, no one will take notice. It seems we need an “other” to blame before we get serious.
It used to be black people were the knee-jerk scapegoats. The white power structure hasn’t been able to deal with it and it’s been something like 4 decades since the CRA.
Luckily, there was the Russians, then the gays (aids) then the drug cartels, then 9/11.
Somehow, the rest of us have figured out that it doesn’t matter the boogieman, xenophobia is not the answer.
humans!
Just wait till the Vulcans land in Montana …
re: #49 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
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I live in Des Plaines, so I think I am going to need to write the mayor and my alderman to get ask them to stop this foolishness. Mosques have to be treated equally with churches, after all.
GGT, Bratwurst also lives in Des Plaines. If you see her here on LGF before I do will you please make sure she sees that DoJ press release?
re: #111 Belafon
“What if one of the people killed yesterday had the ability to find the cure for cancer?”
Because so many of the pro-gun people are anti-abortion people.
The only ever make this “what if” for a fetus, never to a human being capable of rational thought.
What if a cure for cancer is in the mind of a teenage girl who had to drop out of school b/c she couldn’t get an #Abortion? #tcot #UniteBlue
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) October 2, 2015
re: #112 dholmes32
More recent reports have identified “sovereign citizens” as the major terrorist threat in the USA, not jihadists. I know more about sovereign citizens than I care to admit and the problem with saying “sovereign citizens” is two-fold. First of all: since the Great Recession, “sovereign citizen” ideology has expanded from its ultra-right wing, white nationalist roots and has been embraced by some African-Americans.
Second, there is no one or two or five or eight or twenty-seven people who are “leaders” in the sovcit movement. It’s like every wo/man for himself. So you have some sovereign citizens who are simply in it because they want to dodge taxes, and then you have the guys like Thomas Deegan who was going to perform a coup d’etat at the West Virginia statehouse last week. They’re all over the map.
It’s a truly scary movement because of that.
re: #111 Belafon
“What if one of the people killed yesterday had the ability to find the cure for cancer?”
Because so many of the pro-gun people are anti-abortion people.
Which I don’t understand at all. Liberatarians used to be pro-choice on both.
I’m all for self-defense. I consider abortion to be self-defense.
A man can kill a woman by keeping her pregnant. Pregnancy is life-threatening. If the shit hits the fan, I have the right to save my own life.
People really don’t understand how recently medical science has made safe pregnancy and delivery possible for the masses. We don’t know about orphan populations and their quality of life. They weren’t all illegitimate. Many lost their mothers to pregnancy.
re: #114 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Just wait till the Vulcans land in Montana …
Not going to happen. We won’t fund the research to achieve Warp.
re: #116 The Vicious Babushka
It was your tweet I modeled the question after.
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
I live in Des Plaines, so I think I am going to need to write the mayor and my alderman to get ask them to stop this foolishness. Mosques have to be treated equally with churches, after all.
GGT, Bratwurst also lives in Des Plaines. If you see her here on LGF before I do will you please make sure she sees that DoJ press release?
will do
and follow-up with phone calls —staff needs to know you care as well.
re: #99 HappyWarrior
Which was oddly enough started by the Bush DHS but yes I remember the fury when the report suggested that these groups would recruit vets. Well McVeigh was a vet, Nichols too, Rudolph, Frazier Glenn Miller, etc.
Any sort of insurgent movement is going to try to recruit military veterans, because they have special skills that such a movement needs. People who actually know how to fire a rifle at longer ranges, who know fieldcraft and how to make a proper camp are invaluable to insurrectos.
re: #119 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Not going to happen. We won’t fund the research to achieve Warp.
It’ll be done by some citizen scientist in his garage … next to a convenient missile silo.
re: #121 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
will do
and follow-up with phone calls —staff needs to know you care as well.
Will do.
re: #123 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
It’ll be done by some citizen scientist in his garage … next to a convenient missile silo.
you are right
re: #118 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
People really don’t understand how recently medical science has made safe pregnancy and delivery possible for the masses. We don’t know about orphan populations and their quality of life. They weren’t all illegitimate. Many lost their mothers to pregnancy.
And the United States continues to have one of the worse maternal mortality rates of the industrialized world, between Iran and Hungary.
re: #122 Dark_Falcon
Any sort of insurgent movement is going to try to recruit military veterans, because they have special skills that such a movement needs. People who actually know how to fire a rifle at longer ranges, who know fieldcraft and how to make a proper camp are invaluable to insurrectos.
Right, it was just common sense and not anti veteran at all to suggest that these groups will and do recruit vets. And these people complain about “PC run amok” fah!
The Massively Terrible Plan to Give Israel the Massive Ordnance Penetrator
(paywall)
I don’t even want to know.
re: #126 Timothy Watson
And the United States continues to have one of the worse maternal mortality rates of the industrialized world, between Iran and Hungary.
yup
re: #126 Timothy Watson
And the United States continues to have one of the worse maternal mortality rates of the industrialized world, between Iran and Hungary.
But but but but…pro-lifers will tell you that pregnancy is a time of puppies and kittens and unicorns and nothing bad will happen….
(My mother nearly died from pre-eclampsia when she delivered me back in 1960. I’ve known since childhood that pregnancy and childbirth were dangerous.)
re: #96 Eventual Carrion
Maybe we need to reread the 2009 report that was so roundly poopoo by the rightwing nutjobs back then. Everything it cited has happened.
at least dig it up and have it make the social media rounds.
re: #126 Timothy Watson
And the United States continues to have one of the worse maternal mortality rates of the industrialized world, between Iran and Hungary.
My paternal grandfather’s mother died at age 24, several months after he was born. Intestinal infection was the listed cause, but it may have been a complication of the birthing process. My mom’s mom also died a year after giving birth, but from pulmonary disease. She was a garment worker in NYC.
My great-grandfather remarried in 1860. They had eight children, but only four survived to adulthood. This was a middle class family with access to decent (for the time) medical care.
And the pro-lifers have no problem with an infant mortality rate between Poland and Serbia.
re: #116 The Vicious Babushka
The only ever make this “what if” for a fetus, never to a human being capable of rational thought.
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“What if a cure for cancer is in the mind of a teenage girl who had to drop out of school b/c she couldn’t get an Abortion?”
And what if the UK was able to get Iran to stop supplying the Houthis and Hezbollah, simply by sending Salmon Rushdie back to Iran to hanged from a crane?
I ask this because if you believe that an unborn child is a person, as many people do (I don’t take a position on the point), then they would see the question you asked as being the same as the one I posed.
Note: My question was rhetorical, and was not seriously asked.
Milan Jewish Center Runs Soup Kitchen for Syrian Refugees http://t.co/vYV2lL03LR #tcot #UniteBlue pic.twitter.com/jukKQk4ncZ
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) October 2, 2015
re: #128 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
The Massively Terrible Plan to Give Israel the Massive Ordnance Penetrator
(paywall)
I don’t even want to know.
Do they know that Israel’s AF doesn’t operate any aircraft capable of delivering that weapon?
re: #128 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
The Massively Terrible Plan to Give Israel the Massive Ordnance Penetrator
(paywall)
I don’t even want to know.
It’s an absolute joke of an idea. Why? Simple: Israel lacks the aircraft to make use of it. Unless we’re seriously considering selling strategic bombers to them, it’s a waste of time and money to provide them with the MOP.
re: #128 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
The Massively Terrible Plan to Give Israel the Massive Ordnance Penetrator
(paywall)
I don’t even want to know.
It’s just DERPing. Even if Donald Trump were elected president it would not happen. The MOP bomb can only be dropped by heavy bomber and the only nation other than the US that currently has bombers that could carry it is Russia. And given its status as a regional power, Israel doesn’t need or want such aircraft.
re: #136 Higgs Boson’s Mate
This is another clear
Do they know that Israel’s AF doesn’t operate any aircraft capable of delivering that weapon?
We’ll lease them a couple of B-2s.
Paul Davis files lawsuit against Kris Kobach over purging of suspended voters list
TOPEKA
Paul Davis filed a lawsuit in federal court Wednesday against Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach over a new rule that will remove names from the suspended voters list.Davis, a Lawrence attorney who ran an unsuccessful campaign for governor in 2014, said federal law prohibits Kobach from “purging voters.”
The state enacted a requirement that beginning in 2013, prospective voters must provide proof of citizenship, such as a passport or birth certificate, when they register to vote - a policy Kobach championed.
Since the law went into effect, nearly 37,000 voters have been left in suspended registration status. For perspective, Davis lost to Gov. Sam Brownback in the last election by fewer than 33,000 votes. Davis said he didn’t think proof of citizenship affected the outcome of the election.
Kobach has moved forward with a new rule, set to take effect on Friday, that would remove a person’s name from the list if he or she failed to show proof of citizenship after 90 days. Kobach has said the policy will save county election offices money, but his critics accuse him of trying to purge the list.
Davis and Will Lawrence, an attorney who worked on his campaign, are representing Alder Cromwell, 18, and Cody Keener, 21, two Douglas County residents on the suspended voter list. They assert that the National Voter Registration Act and the 14th Amendment’s guarantee of due process preclude Kobach from removing their names from the list. The suit also seeks to throw out the proof of citizenship requirement entirely.
re: #140 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Paul Davis files lawsuit against Kris Kobach over purging of suspended voters list
Kobach is such a douche. I really hope this succeeds.
re: #134 Dark_Falcon
“What if a cure for cancer is in the mind of a teenage girl who had to drop out of school b/c she couldn’t get an Abortion?”
And what if the UK was able to get Iran to stop supplying the Houthis and Hezbollah, simply by sending Salmon Rushdie back to Iran to hanged from a crane?
I ask this because if you believe that an unborn child is a person, as many people do (I don’t take a position on the point), then they would see the question you asked as being the same as the one I posed.
Note: My question was rhetorical, and was not seriously asked.
IMHO, the question isn’t -is the fetus human. The question is: is the woman human?
re: #137 Targetpractice
It’s an absolute joke of an idea. Why? Simple: Israel lacks the aircraft to make use of it. Unless we’re seriously considering selling strategic bombers to them, it’s a waste of time and money to provide them with the MOP.
The sale or transfer of strategic bombers to a third party is also a violation of the latest START treaty we signed with Russia.
re: #143 Bubblehead II
The sale or transfer of strategic bombers to a third party is also a violation of the latest START treaty we signed with Russia.
I think it’s become clear by this point that the GOP are trying to revive that Cold War. If that means ripping up strategic arms treaties, so be it.
re: #132 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
My paternal grandfather’s mother died at age 24, several months after he was born. Intestinal infection was the listed cause, but it may have been a complication of the birthing process. My mom’s mom also died a year after giving birth, but from pulmonary disease. She was a garment worker in NYC.
My great-grandfather remarried in 1860. They had eight children, but only four survived to adulthood. This was a middle class family with access to decent (for the time) medical care.
Damn. From what I know none of the distant grandmothers I’ve researched died of complications related to child birth. I know what you mean about children though. My great grandmother came from a family of eight and only her and her two younger brothers survived childhood. And sadly she herself only lived to be 45. My grandmother was only ten when it happened.
re: #146 HappyWarrior
Damn. From what I know none of the distant grandmothers I’ve researched died of complications related to child birth. I know what you mean about children though. My great grandmother came from a family of eight and only her and her two younger brothers survived childhood. And sadly she herself only lived to be 45. My grandmother was only ten when it happened.
If a woman died of an illegal abortion that was not listed on the death certificate. Unless the family kept records there is no way to know.
re: #145 Targetpractice
I think it’s become clear by this point that the GOP are trying to revive that Cold War. If that means ripping up strategic arms treaties, so be it.
They cannot fathom a world of “we”. They must have an “other” to fight.
re: #145 Targetpractice
I think it’s become clear by this point that the GOP are trying to revive that Cold War. If that means ripping up strategic arms treaties, so be it.
The article also pointed out that Israel also doesn’t have the infrastructure (and no desire to build it) to support a squadron of B-52s
re: #142 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
IMHO, the question isn’t -is the fetus human. The question is: is the woman human?
What my one grandmother, devout Catholic and all was always bothered about were the pro-lifers who opposed abortion in the case of the mother’s health. Her thought was “Well what about her other children?” My thoughts on abortion are pretty simple. I am a man. I have no idea what you and other women experience while pregnant and it’s never my pregnancy to say anything in the first place. What we need to do is work on the conditions that lead to women choosing to get abortions in the first place and the fanatics as I know you are fully aware oppose easy access to contraceptives and oppose honest talk about sex and sexuality especially for women.
We won’t get rid of guns, but let’s at least drag Wayne LaPierre in front of Congress & have them treat him like he runs Planned Parenthood.
— Tom Ceraulo (@tceraulo) October 1, 2015
re: #148 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
If a woman died of an illegal abortion that was not listed on the death certificate. Unless the family kept records there is no way to know.
IIRC someone here posted a photo of their Great-great-aunt’s death certificate from the 1890’s which listed “abortion” as COD.
#Gynoticians, in fact. https://t.co/fhFmv7rIhb
— Planned Parenthood (@PPact) October 2, 2015
Not seeing any indication of a run on ammunition or guns today. Maybe the ammosexuals have finally noticed that predictions of a mass seizure in the aftermath of a mass shooting have failed, oh, about 30 times in a row.
I’ve long noticed that gun nut conservatives are strikingly oblivious to just how peculiar our gun situation is compared to the rest of the advanced world. Even countries with relatively permissive gun laws, like the Czech Republic and Sweden, are many times as restrictive as we are. It is not that the ammosexuals reject foreign example out of hand either. They are quite willing to cite completely erroneous claims about, say, Switzerland and Israel when they imagine it supports their own position. I think in a lot of cases they are just not aware of what the situation is elsewhere.
re: #148 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
If a woman died of an illegal abortion that was not listed on the death certificate. Unless the family kept records there is no way to know.
Oh I know. Most of my distant grandmothers I’ve researched though were past pregnancy age when they died though. Funny enough, my direct ancestors are filled with people who are the yougnest child in their family which is why even though I;m 28, I had two grandparents born before WWI.
re: #155 Shiplord Kirel
Not seeing any indication of a run on ammunition or guns today. Maybe the ammosexuals have finally noticed that predictions of a mass seizure in the aftermath of a mass shooting have failed, oh, about 30 times in a row.
I’ve long noticed that gun nut conservatives are strikingly oblivious to just how peculiar our gun situation is compared to the rest of the advanced world. Even countries with relatively permissive gun laws, like the Czech Republic and Sweden, are many times as restrictive as we are. It is not that the ammosexuals reject foreign example out of hand either. They are quite willing to cite completely erroneous claims about, say, Switzerland and Israel when they imagine it supports their own position. I think in a lot of cases they are just not aware of what the situation is elsewhere.
They are all stocked-up since the false scarcity concerns of a couple of years ago —
re: #149 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
They cannot fathom a world of “we”. They must have an “other” to fight.
Being fully occupied with combating a made-up existential threat enables pols to kick any number of cans down the road.
re: #153 The Vicious Babushka
IIRC someone here posted a photo of their Great-great-aunt’s death certificate from the 1890’s which listed “abortion” as COD.
WOW —I wonder which State?
re: #156 HappyWarrior
Oh I know. Most of my distant grandmothers I’ve researched though were past pregnancy age when they died though. Funny enough, my direct ancestors are filled with people who are the yougnest child in their family which is why even though I;m 28, I had two grandparents born before WWI.
Heh. I was born almost 100 years after my paternal grandfather was. My maternal gf was only 20-some years younger than my other gf.
two of my ancestors died by horse hoof.
records showed “kicked by a horse”.
re: #162 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
two of my ancestors died by horse hoof.
records showed “kicked by a horse”.
Hoof hearted?
re: #161 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Heh. I was born almost 100 years after my paternal grandfather was. My maternal gf was only 20-some years younger than my other gf.
The ranges fascinate me honestly. But honestly something that has really shocked me is seeing my one great grandfather being an only child. Just seems unheard of in the 1870’s and among an Irish-Catholic family too.
@JebBush here’s Governor Bush signing Stand Your Ground into law. Next to him NRA rep. who wrote the law for him. pic.twitter.com/zPl0F98nLH
— maria lia calvo (@MariaLiaCalvo) October 1, 2015
re: #164 HappyWarrior
The ranges fascinate me honestly. But honestly something that has really shocked me is seeing my one great grandfather being an only child. Just seems unheard of in the 1870’s and among an Irish-Catholic family too.
Maybe all his siblings died?
re: #162 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
two of my ancestors died by horse hoof.
records showed “kicked by a horse”.
I had one who was murdered no joke.
milk poisoning was a common cause of illness.
Consumption, childhood fever …
America’s First Birth Control Clinic Opened a Century Ago, in Brooklyn http://t.co/bEpOj6UWWW via @HuffPostWomen
— Jennie Wetter (@JennieinDC) October 1, 2015
re: #167 HappyWarrior
I had one who was murdered no joke.
My grandfather on my mom’s side was killed by bootleggers.
re: #166 The Vicious Babushka
Maybe all his siblings died?
A very good possibility. Probably miscarriages though since my grandmother never mentioned her father talking about any siblings he had. But both parents were relatively older when they married. I am thinking he (GG grandfather) was a Civil War vet or she GG grandmother) was a widow but unfortunately she’s proven among the most difficult people for me to research in my tree. I’ve only found records of her after 1870.
Send Congress Your Uterus!!!!! $3.50 postcard
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re: #168 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
milk poisoning was a common cause of illness.
Consumption, childhood fever …
I think spinal meningitis was common. Found out that my great aunt died that way. Really sad honestly. It happened when my grandfather was an infant and during Christmas time.
re: #165 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
@MariaLiaCalvo @JebBush A law allowing self defense if attacked does not promote going on a murder spree. Your argument is invalid. #FAIL
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) October 2, 2015
Seriously, how loopy do you have to be to link self-defense law to a mass shooting? You can criticize Stand Your Ground for causing bad self-defense responses, but to link it to a mass shooting is flat out wrong and nutty.
re: #171 Higgs Boson’s Mate
My grandfather on my mom’s side was killed by bootleggers.
Yikes. This one is still unsolved. They found his body in the Ohio or Allegheny river though.
re: #148 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
If a woman died of an illegal abortion that was not listed on the death certificate. Unless the family kept records there is no way to know.
I read something a couple years ago that I didn’t bookmark, maybe someone here has the google-fu to find it.
A Pennsylvania doctor, retired, bored, time on his hands, tried to research pre-Roe abortion deaths. He looked at all the death certificates for 1963-1973 of his state, found very few listed abortion (of course). But the birth rate hadn’t changed pre- and post-Roe. Not at all. So he pulled up death certificates of women of reproductive age, counted how many listed hemmorhage, or unspecified infection, as the cause of death. That number dropped *drastically* post-Roe. He ended up deciding the abortion rate hadn’t changed at all, it just got safer.
re: #175 Targetpractice
Oh, another Dylann Roof, eh?
I said the exact thing yesterday when the news reported that he targeted Christians.
re: #179 sagehen
I read something a couple years ago that I didn’t bookmark, maybe someone here has the google-fu to find it.
A Pennsylvania doctor, retired, bored, time on his hands, tried to research pre-Roe abortion deaths. He looked at all the death certificates for 1963-1973 of his state, found very few listed abortion (of course). But the birth rate hadn’t changed pre- and post-Roe. Not at all. So he pulled up death certificates of women of reproductive age, counted how many listed hemmorhage, or unspecified infection, as the cause of death. That number dropped *drastically* post-Roe. He ended up deciding the abortion rate hadn’t changed at all, it just got safer.
Pennsylvania’s death records from 1906-63 are available to the public now. I’ve been using them(my family’s all from PA originally). Not surprised that the rate hasn’t changed. Abortion needs to be legal and safe as possible.
re: #170 Dr. Matt
Although I’m also seeing headlines about the shooter’s supposed opposition to “organized religion” and that he also supposedly asked his targets whether they were Christians.
re: #182 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Although I’m also seeing headlines about the shooter’s supposed opposition to “organized religion” and that he also supposedly asked his targets whether they were Christians.
Many libertarian dudebros are anti-religious or non-religious.
re: #182 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
It’s strange though, the answer to whatever his motivation is “it should have been a lot harder for him to get a gun and to have it in that setting.”
People as a whole do live longer now which is another reason to be grateful to modernity and its advances. What I find interesting is to look how people a certain age looked in a previous generation and how they look now.
re: #170 Dr. Matt
the alleged killer describes himself politically as a “conservative, republican” whose hobbies are “internet, killing zombies, movies, music, reading” and who lives with parents….His preferred religious views are “Pagan, Wiccan, Not Religious, but Spiritual” as well.
Not your everyday combination.
re: #186 HappyWarrior
People as a whole do live longer now which is another reason to be grateful to modernity and its advances. What I find interesting is to look how people a certain age looked in a previous generation and how they look now.
I’d still look like twenty miles of bad road no matter what time period I was in.
Leave it to Pamela to find a Muslim connection in there somehow==>
Here is the Oregon Shooter’s Profile: Who is Mahmoud Ali Ehsani?: The Oregon shooter had a thin social media p… http://t.co/Xm9BBBNwyr
— Pamela Geller (@PamelaGeller) October 2, 2015
re: #186 HappyWarrior
People as a whole do live longer now which is another reason to be grateful to modernity and its advances. What I find interesting is to look how people a certain age looked in a previous generation and how they look now.
All true, which in some ways makes those who centuries ago still lived long lives (John Adams, Jefferson, Andrew Jackson—who had one or more bullets in his body for decades).
re: #189 The Vicious Babushka
Leave it to Pamela to find a Muslim connection in there somehow==>
“Hey I’m just asking questions”
/
re: #189 The Vicious Babushka
Leave it to Pamela to find a Muslim connection in there somehow==>
Pammie got that from UpChuck’s blog, I’m sure.
re: #190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
All true, which in some ways makes those who centuries ago still lived long lives (John Adams, Jefferson, Andrew Jackson—who had one or more bullets in his body for decades).
Yeah or the longest time Adams and Hoover were the only presidents to live to be 90 until Ronnie turned 90 in 2001.
Excuse me, but you are part of the problem and your prayers are nothing but empty words. .@JebBush
— DaveT62 (@DaveoutofAustin) October 2, 2015
re: #183 Dr. Matt
Many libertarian dudebros are anti-religious or non-religious.
Expect the usual suspects though to add this to their list of how American Christians are Persecuted in the Age of Obama.
Ben is still drunk from last night==>
A higher percentage of schools are hit by gun violence than gun owners are responsible for gun violence. Why not increase school security?
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) October 2, 2015
100 million gun owners. 130K schools. Far easier to police 130K than to confiscate guns from 100M.
— Ben Shapiro (@benshapiro) October 2, 2015
There’s a lot of “Libertarians” that are nothing more than paleo-cons.
everyhead needs one.
cafepress.com
re: #196 The Vicious Babushka
Ben is still drunk from last night==>
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Schools already have a lot of security as is. Most schools have at least one officer.
Yes Mr. President, We Do Need More Guns in Schools http://t.co/ZHkaVpNZja
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) October 2, 2015
re: #200 The Vicious Babushka
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No, we don’t asshole. We really don’t. We need less guns everywhere.
re: #193 HappyWarrior
Yeah or the longest time Adams and Hoover were the only presidents to live to be 90 until Ronnie turned 90 in 2001.
Hmmm, interesting.
Hoover did last quite a while, lived into the 1960’s I believe. Truman did pretty well I think, although probably only into his 80’s. His widow lived till near 90.
re: #186 HappyWarrior
People as a whole do live longer now which is another reason to be grateful to modernity and its advances. What I find interesting is to look how people a certain age looked in a previous generation and how they look now.
even people in other countries. The “mothers” interviewed during the Iraq War looked like grandmothers.
re: #196 The Vicious Babushka
Ben is still drunk from last night==>
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“Damn it! It’s your responsibility to protect yourselves from us.”
re: #203 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
even people in other countries. The “mothers” interviewed during the Iraq War looked like grandmothers.
You’re right. More western society.
re: #196 The Vicious Babushka
Ben is still drunk from last night==>
Yes, Ben, the secret plan is to confiscate everyone’s guns.
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re: #196 The Vicious Babushka
No one said anything about confiscating guns from anyone. Ben’s creating a strawman.
re: #190 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
All true, which in some ways makes those who centuries ago still lived long lives (John Adams, Jefferson, Andrew Jackson—who had one or more bullets in his body for decades).
Much of it had to do with affluence. Wealthy people lived, poor people didn’t.
Not only access to medical care and better food/housing etc. Wealthy people could buy-out of their soldiering responsibilities.
re: #196 The Vicious Babushka
Ben is still drunk from last night==>
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False argument, nobody in the gun control crowd is seriously arguing for confiscation. But there are plenty of ammosexuals who are arguing that it should be easier to lock up “crazies” based upon nothing more than suspicion of mental illness.
re: #202 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Hmmm, interesting.
Hoover did last quite a while, lived into the 1960’s I believe. Truman did pretty well I think, although probably only into his 80’s. His widow lived till near 90.
Bess lived to be 97 IIRC. But yeah Hoover died not long after Goldwater was nominated IIRC.
re: #196 The Vicious Babushka
Hey Ben, what about the grocery stores, the restaurants, the churches, the movie theaters? What about the guy sitting behind your wife who pulls out a gun and shoots her because she was sitting in front of him? Is that a sacrifice you’re willing to make?
re: #196 The Vicious Babushka
Ben is still drunk from last night==>
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BECAUSE OUR KIDS AREN’T GOING TO SCHOOL, NOT PRISON
re: #189 The Vicious Babushka
Here is the Oregon Shooter’s Profile:
Look here we haz the Oregon Shooter’s true profile and it haz Muslim name in their somewhere.
re: #204 Higgs Boson’s Mate
“Damn it! It’s your responsibility to protect yourselves from us.”
Conservatives in this country seem to boil every political argument down to blaming the victim.
Abortion? “It’s their fault for being sluts!”
Same-sex marriage? “It’s their fault for not staying the closet!”
Gun violence? “It’s their fault for not being armed!”
The Future of Work: The Three Dimensions of Artificial Intelligence
calling Isaac Asimov …
re: #213 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Look here we haz the Oregon Shooter’s true profile and it haz Muslim name in their somewhere.
His name is obviously an anagram.
re: #89 The Vicious Babushka
OK, there’s Eric Rudolph, Paul Hill, Scott Roeder, Michael Griffin, Peter James White, John Salvi, James Kopp and these are just the assholes who shot and killed clinic doctors and staff in the name of Jesus. There’s more, people who planted bombs, held clinic workers hostage, and on and on. These “Christians” are acting on what they believe to be the word of God, and what they do is justified by their religion. It’s terrorism, but we can’t call it that, oh no, that’s offensive and part of the War on Christians. A simple websearch brings up more names than I care to count. Some use religion as an excuse, some don’t. The Columbine shooters weren’t motivated by religion, but they still had easy access to firearms. Which is the fucking problem, full stop. Guns are not cars or knives, they are specifically designed to kill, cars and knives have other useful purposes. It’s absolutely stupid not to have the same damned requirements in place for guns as we do for cars.
You know who is exploiting this tragedy Erick? GUN FUCKERS LIKE YOU.
“…the President [is] okay with students being fish in a barrel for gunmen in order to exploit the tragedy…” http://t.co/ZHkaVpNZja
— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) October 2, 2015
re: #210 HappyWarrior
Bess lived to be 97 IIRC. But yeah Hoover died not long after Goldwater was nominated IIRC.
She outlived Harry by about a decade.
I visited the Truman Home in 1998 on my way to Washington after grad school. In the kitchen they keep the calendar from 1982 when Bess died. The Truman Library there is pretty cool, too. Glad they have those for presidents now.
re: #218 The Vicious Babushka
You know who is exploiting this tragedy Erick? GUN FUCKERS LIKE YOU.
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Exploit, you use that word, I do not think you know what it means chodeface.
re: #218 The Vicious Babushka
“…the President [is] okay with students being fish in a barrel for gunmen in order to exploit the tragedy…”
LOLwhut?
re: #219 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
She outlived Harry by about a decade.
I visited the Truman Home in 1998 on my way to Washington after grad school. In the kitchen they keep the calendar from 1982 when Bess died. The Truman Library there is pretty cool, too. Glad they have those for presidents now.
I’ve never been to an official presidential library. I don’t really live too close to any. I guess Monticello and Mount Vernon technically count in a way.
re: #220 HappyWarrior
Exploit, you use that word, I do not think you know what it means chodeface.
“chodeface” I’ll have to remember that one.
The weapons manufacturers are the “Masters” Bob Dylan says.. https://t.co/MBkkTumPd7
— margaret stuart md (@marstu67) October 2, 2015
re: #222 HappyWarrior
I’ve never been to an official presidential library. I don’t really live too close to any. I guess Monticello and Mount Vernon technically count in a way.
Yeah I would count those. Madison and Monroe’s homes are right there, too. Montpelier is a great location.
SMOTI
SORRY LIB MEDIA=> CONFIRMED: Umpqua Killer Chris Harper-Mercer Was NOT A “CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN” https://t.co/WeeNvvjEwT @gatewaypundit
— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) October 2, 2015
re: #218 The Vicious Babushka
Another logical fallacy. We can’t make schools into armed camps (aka prisons) to protect them. It’s too expensive and dangerous. It’s far easier, and most cost efficient, to nip the problem in the bud — stiffer gun control laws.
Y’know, an ounce of prevention and all that.
I’m still expecting Dim Jim to claim that Mercer “voted for Obama”
I am so bothered by “keep praying” at times like this. Where was their god a couple of hours ago? Out for coffee?
— Alice Dreger (@AliceDreger) October 1, 2015
re: #196 The Vicious Babushka
100 million gun owners. 130K schools. Far easier to police 130K than to confiscate guns from 100M.
Because there’s only one person in each of those 130,000 schools.
re: #228 The Vicious Babushka
Ignore his very own words.
re: #227 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Yeah I would count those. Madison and Monroe’s homes are right there, too. Montpelier is a great location.
Yeah haven’t been to either of those yet. They’re both closer to Monticello. Tyler’s home is closer to Richmond IIRC and I think if there is a Wilson library, it’s in Stautnon or Princeton. I did visit his home in D.C where he retired and later died though.
My bad guys, thought he had ust expressed conservative views.
re: #234 HappyWarrior
No one said he was a “conservative Republican” idiot. Just that he had definitely right wing views that you certainly share halfwit.
re: #236 HappyWarrior
Yeah haven’t been to either of those yet. They’re both closer to Monticello. Tyler’s home is closer to Richmond IIRC and I think if there is a Wilson library, it’s in Stautnon or Princeton. I did visit his home in D.C where he retired and later died though.
Yeah don’t know if there is an actual Woodrow Wilson library. His birthplace is marked in Staunton, not sure if the original house exists. Used to have friends in Staunton many years ago so I’m familiar with the town, but not been to the WW site.
it has been Invisible Illness Week —
. @benshapiro Shooter Chris Mercer was self described conservative Republican. One of your boys, Ben. gun crazed ammosexual conservative.
— Annemarie Dickey (@Scottishlizard1) October 2, 2015
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re: #239 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Yeah don’t know if there is an actual Woodrow Wilson library. His birthplace is marked in Staunton, not sure if the original house exists. Used to have friends in Staunton many years ago so I’m familiar with the town, but not been to the WW site.
The only POTUS with an earned Phd.
re: #239 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Yeah don’t know if there is an actual Woodrow Wilson library. His birthplace is marked in Staunton, not sure if the original house exists. Used to have friends in Staunton many years ago so I’m familiar with the town, but not been to the WW site.
I think there is a museum there. I’ve only been to the Stautnon area a couple times.
re: #242 HappyWarrior
Yeah my bad. Mixed race though? Photo is blurry. par Asian?
hard to say, and largely irrelevant
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Yeah, assuming this is the same guy.
Has it been determined how he got the gun, whether it was legal or not?
re: #246 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
hard to say, and largely irrelevant
Oh of course. NOt saying ti is.
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re: #247 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Yeah, assuming this is the same guy.
Has it been determined how he got the gun, whether it was legal or not?
Not yet. Police recovered three handguns and one rifle from the scene.
re: #228 The Vicious Babushka
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Hmmmm. I am a registered independent too (unenrolled actually). What is his point?
This site is firewalled, what bullshit is Dana spewing?
Fact check on Mercer’s party affiliation: http://t.co/sq665gu88W
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 2, 2015
re: #251 Franklin
Hmmmm. I am a registered independent too (unenrolled actually). What is his point?
Hell everyone here technically is since we don’t have formal party registration.
Another interesting thing about cars that we don’t do to guns. Ownership of the car does not change unless you tell the government. If you sell the car, and something happens while it’s under your name, you can be liable.
re: #254 Belafon
Another interesting thing about cars that we don’t do to guns. Ownership of the car does not change unless you tell the government. If you sell the car, and something happens while it’s under your name, you can be liable.
Yes we regulate cars more than we do guns.
re: #253 HappyWarrior
Hell everyone here technically is since we don’t have formal party registration.
So anyone can vote in a party primary in VA?
re: #252 The Vicious Babushka
This site is firewalled, what bullshit is Dana spewing?
Can’t tell. She’s probably saying that we should talk about his party affiliation rather than his easy access to guns made it easier for him to kill.
re: #252 The Vicious Babushka
Nutjobs trying to distance themselves from one of their fellow travelers.
re: #207 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
No one said anything about confiscating guns from anyone. Ben’s creating a strawman.
I commented on a friend’s Facebook post yesterday that I’d like to see sensible regulations placed on gun purchases (much like Pawn of the Oppressor’s post last night, but in less detail) - stringent licensing, mandatory insurance and training - and I immediately got a reply from someone I don’t even know, excoriating me for wanting to ‘ban’ all guns.
This guy then trotted out the ‘cars and drunk drivers’ talking point, and I asked when was the last time someone drove a car through a high school, mowing people down - nd also pointed out that cars had a primary purpose besides killing people. I asked what another purpose for a gun was, besides killing things.
He answered - hunting, target practice, and home protection.
I pointed out that the end result of hunting was killing something. That the end result of target practice was practicing to kill something. And that the end result of home protection would logically be…shooting someone, maybe fatally.
He responded that he was shaking his head at my ‘lunacy,’ and that since I didn’t partake in hunting, target practice or home protection I wanted to make them illegal.
I challenged him to revisit all of my posts in the thread and show me where I even suggested banning guns or making hunting illegal. He bailed and never responded.
And that is the biggest problem we face. Some of these motherfuckers have been so conditioned - brainwashed - that they read a suggestion for sensible regulation and their brains interpret those words as ‘gun ban.’
It’s fucked up. How do you reason with anyone like that? Is it even possible?
Am I understanding this correctly? The shooter described himself as conservative and Republican but he’s not because conservative Republicans say so?
re: #256 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
So anyone can vote in a party primary in VA?
Correct. However, the state R’s often do conventions so the activists in the base can have a big role in deciding the nominee. It was that reason why Lt Governor Bolling did not run against Cuccinelli.
@ACLU @geegeetee Nitwittery of belief in bronze age myths give permission to barbarism because there are no rational limits to its absurdity
— Sacred Profanity (@esmith4102) October 2, 2015
re: #261 HappyWarrior
Correct. However, the state R’s often do conventions so the activists in the base can have a big role in deciding the nominee. It was that reason why Lt Governor Bolling did not run against Cuccinelli.
Right, I remember now.
re: #263 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Right, I remember now.
I’ve never voted in a R primary FWIW but I absolutely could if I wanted to but I then couldn’t vote in the Dem primary.
re: #252 The Vicious Babushka
This site is firewalled, what bullshit is Dana spewing?
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re: #264 HappyWarrior
I’ve never voted in a R primary FWIW but I absolutely could if I wanted to but I then couldn’t vote in the Dem primary.
In the same year you mean?
re: #266 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
In the same year you mean?
Yeah. Sorry should have explained.
re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Am I understanding this correctly? The shooter described himself as conservative and Republican but he’s not because conservative Republicans say so?
He has no party affiliation!!! Obviously, he’s a librul, because all conservatives are registered Republicans!!
The R conventions are how the party has gone here from having guys like John Warner and Tom Davis have prominent roles to Ken Cuccinelli and E.W Jackson.
re: #268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
He has no party affiliation!!! Obviously, he’s a librul, because all conservatives are registered Republicans!!
Except for me when I Want to distant myself from the REpublicans and tell people I am an independent!
The actual results, Steven? There have been no mass shootings in Australia. QED.
Obama praised Australia’s gun ban. But what are the actual results? Here => http://t.co/R1l1kpaCB9 pic.twitter.com/I5cP3KCXSN
— Steven Crowder (@scrowder) October 2, 2015
re: #271 The Vicious Babushka
The actual results, Steven? There have been no mass shootings in Australia. QED.
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re: #268 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
He has no party affiliation!!! Obviously, he’s a librul, because all conservatives are registered Republicans!!
The old “everybody knows” trick, eh?
re: #274 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Utah Republican Introduces Koch Legislation To Begin Eliminating National Parks
TR is spinning in his grave.
re: #274 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Utah Republican Introduces Koch Legislation To Begin Eliminating National Parks
FUckers.
re: #274 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Utah Republican Introduces Koch Legislation To Begin Eliminating National Parks
Kochs: “Let’s Frack Yellowstone!” What could possibly go wrong? #tcot #UniteBlue http://t.co/yjG3cwkYLV pic.twitter.com/hGrILO2uuo
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) October 2, 2015
Off to be productive
(get coffee)
have a great friday all!
I can’t help but to think of that old Simpsons episode where Springfield’s Congressman is seeing taking a bribe for rights to drill oil at Mount Rushmore.
re: #277 The Vicious Babushka
Yep, imagine all the additional earthquakes that happen in Oklahoma because of fracking happen in Yellowstone. The side benefit is we wouldn’t be worried about global warming any more.
re: #274 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
Utah Republican Introduces Koch Legislation To Begin Eliminating National Parks
Because really, who could see anything wrong with increasing the value of Grand Canyon National Park by setting up tours of the new uranium mine?
re: #49 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
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In right-wing world, a self-described conservative republican terrorist is not *actually* a conservative republican. Please proceed, wingnuts.
re: #283 Dr. Matt
In right-wing world, a self-described conservative republican terrorist is not *actually* a conservative republican. Please proceed, wingnuts.
Because he cannot be. Therefore he isn’t. Just like Obama cannot be anything other than a Moslem.
A shooter could cite Jim Hoft himself and Hot in his infinite derpitude would blame Obama.
re: #283 Dr. Matt
In right-wing world, a self-described conservative republican terrorist is not *actually* a conservative republican. Please proceed, wingnuts.
I’d concede they’re not if Republicans would figure out why they’re all coming from their party.
re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Am I understanding this correctly? The shooter described himself as conservative and Republican but he’s not because conservative Republicans say so?
Yeah, they know him better than he knows himself. Or god told them so, or the neighbors dog told them, somebody let them know.
re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Am I understanding this correctly? The shooter described himself as conservative and Republican but he’s not because conservative Republicans say so?
I think they are clinging to the straw that he was not officially registered as such.
re: #283 Dr. Matt
In right-wing world, a self-described conservative republican terrorist is not *actually* a conservative republican. Please proceed, wingnuts.
Just in case he decides he might vote for a Libertarian, or Reform (paleo-Conservative) candidate.
Most states don’t even require listing party affiliation to register, and those that do, it’s only for which party primary you want to participate in.
re: #290 The Vicious Babushka
Just in case he decides he might vote for a Libertarian, or Reform (paleo-Conservative) candidate.
Most states don’t even require listing party affiliation to register, and those that do, it’s only for which party primary you want to participate in.
I think most states don’t. If you looked at my voter registration, you’d just know I am registered to vote and would have no idea of my voting history unless you talked to me.
It’s their No True Conservative desires. They can’t bring themselves to admit that conservatism can be violent and hateful all the while they have violent and hateful rhetoric.
Tsk tsk Aunty, Dana says you’re “not being helpful”
Also not helpful. https://t.co/lq0oEJbP0o
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 2, 2015
re: #293 The Vicious Babushka
Tsk tsk Aunty, Dana says you’re “not being helpful”
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HURR HURR CHICAGO!!!!!1!!!!
Roughly four Roseburgs in Chicago last month http://t.co/VvKJ9PZ7h1
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 2, 2015
re: #293 The Vicious Babushka
Tsk tsk Aunty, Dana says you’re “not being helpful”
Is totally non-political Dana complaining that everyone else is politicizing the shooting?
re: #294 HappyWarrior
The truth hurts eh Dana.
Ha, I just tweeted her, “Facts are unhelpful in your world? Explains a lot.”
They trot out every lame cliché, it’s so boring. We know they don’t give a shit about crime in Chicago.
re: #298 The Vicious Babushka
They trot out every lame cliché, it’s so boring. We know they don’t give a shit about crime in Chicago.
It would be another city if Obama was=n’t from there.
re: #295 The Vicious Babushka
HURR HURR CHICAGO!!!!!1!!!!
Hey, Dana, I have a solution: Make it harder for people who shouldn’t have access to guns be able to get them.
It’s odd how this works in all the places.
re: #295 The Vicious Babushka
HURR HURR CHICAGO!!!!!1!!!!
Chicago!!!11
You know it’s bad when they bring up CHICAGO this early.
re: #300 Belafon
Hey, Dana, I have a solution: Make it harder for people who shouldn’t have access to guns be able to get them.
It’s odd how this works in all the places.
It really is and I will point out that in many Eastern cities the guns are purchased in states with lax gun laws.
@curiousaly What’s your point in all this hair splitting?
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) October 2, 2015
re: #295 The Vicious Babushka
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She is quite correct. Murders by GUNS. That’s the whole damn point.
re: #295 The Vicious Babushka
So, Dana, let’s tighten gun laws in neighboring states, where gangs get these guns.
Let me guess, that’s a no. Right? So, Dana, shut the fuck up about Chicago.
I am technically a registered independent but I’ identify as a Democrat. This isn’t rocket science. He may not be oficially a Republican but if he considered himself one and a conservative at that. This is just stupid.
They just offer platitudes about mental illness and then they (Republicans) are the first ones to cut spending on mental health.
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re: #132 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
My paternal grandfather’s mother died at age 24, several months after he was born. Intestinal infection was the listed cause, but it may have been a complication of the birthing process. My mom’s mom also died a year after giving birth, but from pulmonary disease. She was a garment worker in NYC.
My great-grandfather remarried in 1860. They had eight children, but only four survived to adulthood. This was a middle class family with access to decent (for the time) medical care.
I like to wander cemeteries, the older the better. The headstones from early/pre 20th very often show the man married more than once plus the wives and children he survived.
Good Old Days™ my ass.
re: #306 Jenner7
So, Dana, let’s tighten gun laws in neighboring states, where gangs get these guns.
Let me guess, that’s a no. Right? So, Dana, shut the fuck up about Chicago.
Someone should thank her for pointing out the need for NATIONAL gun control laws, since localities are stymied by their open borders.
re: #284 GlutenFreeJesus
The madness starts today.
In heading out of town to a weekend of red fishing at POC and SPI next weekend. Is it 4 yet?
Trump after SF shooting: DEPORT ALL IMMIGRANTS Trump after Oregon shooting: *shrugs* https://t.co/vvx6wYs1rz
— ¡Gabe! Ortíz (@TUSK81) October 2, 2015
Trump on Oregon college massacre: “These things happen” (VIDEO) http://t.co/sDy2fv7Seg pic.twitter.com/VJdIHX30Kv
— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) October 2, 2015
re: #316 Belafon
Americans just get rowdy sometimes. What are you going to do.
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Young men and their guns. You know how it is. //
re: #209 Targetpractice
False argument, nobody in the gun control crowd is seriously arguing for confiscation. But there are plenty of ammosexuals who are arguing that it should be easier to lock up “crazies” based upon nothing more than suspicion of mental illness.
They might want to rethink that position as it is quite apparent that many of them are of questionable mental stability.
re: #317 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
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After all, boys will be boys, right?
*spits*
#Friday morning ritual. #HMB pic.twitter.com/BaMUVBOi5D
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 2, 2015
This article from Mother Jones suggests that gun violence costs America $229Bn a year. Seems to me that informing people that we are paying an economic penalty this size might move some of them.
re: #324 darthstar
The heron was an added bonus. He stuck around until the first throw.
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re: #320 HappyWarrior
You talking to me.
“Listen, you fuckers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the c**ts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who stood up.”
—-Travis Bickle - and pretty much every other mass shooter out there.
Hard to believe that film is from 1976, almost 40 years ago; it’s still relevant.
re: #289 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
I think they are clinging to the straw that he was not officially registered as such.
The idiots at Loesch’s twitter are claiming he lied about being conservative to lure and attack the Christian wimminz. A number of them said that he couldn’t be conservative since he wasn’t Christian.
At least one tin foil hat told me the shooter was a closet Muslim.
re: #323 Higgs Boson’s Mate
It won’t. Sandy Hook caused them to go out and buy more guns. They don’t give one shit about any economic impact.
Even this graph won’t phase them.
re: #329 Eventual Carrion
On the river here if I come upon them in my kayak they are very angry at the intrusion, and loud about their displeasure as they fly away.
He gave me a deep throated squawk as he left. If I threw it about fifteen feet to the right he would have just watched Banjo go into the water after it. But with the light the way it was, I figured it was worth getting him in frame.
A veteran who says he was carrying a concealed weapon on the UCC campus Thursday when 26-year-old Christopher Harper Mercer went on a murderous rampage, says he didn’t intervene because he knew police SWAT team members wouldn’t know him from the shooter
Another talking point destroyed
re: #336 Higgs Boson’s Mate
He says it’s true.
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I really hated that movie. Tim Burton needs to stay far, far away from science fiction.
re: #336 Higgs Boson’s Mate
He says it’s true.
Hard to believe that film is from 1976 1996, almost 40 20 years ago; it’s still relevant an excellent source for jokes.
re: #338 Aunty Entity Dragon
I really hated that movie. Tim Burton needs to stay far, far away from science fiction.
Mixed feelings about that movie. Modeling the Martians on Jerry Lewis at his most manic was seriously off-putting.
re: #340 Higgs Boson’s Mate
Mixed feelings about that movie. Modeling the Martians on Jerry Lewis at his most manic was seriously off-putting.
My feelings are unmixed. Sylvia Sidney laughing at Congress being blown up. Martian heads explode. Jack Black gets vaporized. What more do you want in a movie?
re: #337 Dr. Matt
Another talking point destroyed
Oh, we know it won’t matter to them. If anything, they may even go so far as to suggest that his inaction allowed people to die, so he’s indirectly responsible for so many deaths and injuries. That it’s his obligation, nay his duty, to go charging in to put down the gunman. Because obviously the police will know who is who and not stop him or worse.
WATCH: Pelosi shuts down reporter on abortion: “I know more about this subject than you” http://t.co/Qa8gqC87n7 pic.twitter.com/ZBFSljS4DN
— The Hill (@thehill) October 2, 2015
re: #342 Targetpractice
It was the same thing with the Gabrielle Giffords shooting - a ‘Good Guy with a gun’ was there and WISELY didn’t get involved because the person he was GOING TO shoot was not the shooter.
Now Dana is spamming a whole bunch of links about gun owners who shot home invaders.
None of these stories that she’s spamming are about random gun owners (NOT LEO) who stopped a mass shooting in a public venue.
re: #337 Dr. Matt
Another talking point destroyed
That’s exactly what I’ve argued for years. If this man had foolishly brought his weapon out, the SWAT team would have possibly thought there were two shooters and possibly killed this man making an already chaotic situation even more so. It’s easy to say “Well if I just had a gun, I’d pop the bastard.” Real life is far more complicated.
re: #345 The Vicious Babushka
Now Dana is spamming a whole bunch of links about gun owners who shot home invaders.
Queen of the Strawmen.
He loved guns and hated women - what could possibly be more conservative? @gatewaypundit
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 2, 2015
re: #344 Blind Frog Belly White
It was the same thing with the Gabrielle Giffords shooting - a ‘Good Guy with a gun’ was there and WISELY didn’t get involved because the person he was GOING TO shoot was not the shooter.
Right. I mean if he or this former Marine had brought out their weapons, it would make already chaotic situations even more so. That’s what the gunfuckers liike Dana never want to admit.
re: #345 The Vicious Babushka
Now Dana is spamming a whole bunch of links about gun owners who shot home invaders.
Man shoots himself in the penis.
re: #352 Belafon
Man shoots himself in the penis.
Repeated studies show that homes with guns are far more likely to experience accidents with guns than homes without them. Me? I’d frankly rather take a smaller chance I’d be robbed than the bigger chance that I may accidentally be mistaken for an intruder and killed by a loved one. Anyone know the baseball player, Ty Cobb? That’s actually how his father was killed.
re: #346 The Vicious Babushka
If someone is bored, they could get the gunfail diaries on Daily Kos, and just start filling her queue with those. Maybe a few people could. There are way more gunfails that heroic acts.
Most idiots should not have guns unless they’re under supervision.
Ben Carson’s own words - better than bad lip reading.
When @realDonaldTrump is attacking @RealBenCarson, Carson imagines Trump is a cute baby http://t.co/FS6Srd5ZmD pic.twitter.com/JIQz7KrK9n
— Jon Ward (@jonward11) October 2, 2015
re: #295 The Vicious Babushka
HURR HURR CHICAGO!!!!!1!!!!
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Ahhh…just as I figured yesterday…compare to Chicago, the instant dodge for gun humpers.
LGF Topic: Breaking: 7 to 10 Dead, 20 Wounded in Oregon School Shooting - Comment #156
Well damn…step away from the computer for a few hours to strip some paint, come back to the thread I had opened (2 threads ago) and the first post I read is the initial comment about this shooting. A few posts later and there are 15 dead.
I guess this would only be outrageous to anti-gun-control, gun-loving zealots if it occurred over a weekend in Chicago.
Damn this country sometimes. I was always raised to “do what is right.” In my early school days it was drummed into me by the good Sisters of St. Francis and the Jesuit priests to “do what is right.”
When it comes to guns, when are we going to do what is right?
re: #353 HappyWarrior
Repeated studies show that homes with guns are far more likely to shoot themselves in the penis
experience accidents with gunsthan homes without them.
re: #353 HappyWarrior
Repeated studies show that homes with guns are far more likely to experience accidents with guns than homes without them. Me? I’d frankly rather take a smaller chance I’d be robbed than the bigger chance that I may accidentally be mistaken for an intruder and killed by a loved one. Anyone know the baseball player, Ty Cobb? That’s actually how his father was killed.
I came real close to shooting the son of the landlady where I was staying with my then fiancée.
He was drunk and beating on the door and screaming…and I had no idea who the hell he was. I was off to one side with a carbine demanding just who the fuck he was, and the only thing that saved him was that I was trained to not shoot unless I had a confirmed target.
Is it really Friday? pic.twitter.com/aYDh9GzGpY
— Goldie Taylor (@goldietaylor) October 2, 2015
re: #358 Aunty Entity Dragon
I came real close to shooting the son of the landlady where I was staying with y then fiancée.
He was drunk and beating on the door and screaming…and I had no idea who the hell he was I was off to one side with a carbine demanding just who the fuck he was, and the only thing that saved him was that I was trained to not shoot unless I had a confirmed target.
Good thing your training had that element. A lot of people would just shoot and ask questions later.
re: #307 HappyWarrior
I am technically a registered independent but I’ identify as a Democrat. This isn’t rocket science. He may not be oficially a Republican but if he considered himself one and a conservative at that. This is just stupid.
Just being stupid is the tool chest of the lame RWNJ excuse squad. They know it plays well with the stupid people that buy their RWNJ BS.
Does anyone with a working brain stem read Gateway, Breitbart, Infowars, Freepers and believe it? Sure there are people that check it out for a lark, but actually buy in to the “facts” as they are presented.
BREAKING: Federal agency: Oregon college shooter had body armor, 3 pistols, rifle and 5 extra magazines.
— The Associated Press (@AP) October 2, 2015
I love how @dloesch actually quotes an article that says people could carry guns onto the campus but STILL insists it was a “gun free zone.”
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 2, 2015
re: #364 Charles Johnson
There’s a guy on another blog claiming the same thing. And when I showed him the TPM article, his counter was that the shooter believed it was, so it must have been.
re: #364 Charles Johnson
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re: #321 darthstar
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Nice photo there Darth!
I don’t know how much you planned it, but all the elements make a nice pattern for interest and the lighting carries the color all the way through.
That would make a nice framed print.
re: #367 HappyWarrior
She lives in a reality where gun owners are persecuted as bad as Jews in Nazi Germany.
A sickening wingnut talking point, sadly one of their very favorite.
re: #369 The Vicious Babushka
A sickening wingnut talking point, sadly one of their very favorite.
Yep. It’s sick and they see no problem with it.
re: #370 HappyWarrior
Yep. It’s sick and they see no problem with it.
Because that square fits snugly into their block heads.
You want to prove the idea more people with guns will prevent these? Chris Kyle was murdered on a shooting range. A shooting range.
re: #341 Blind Frog Belly White
My feelings are unmixed. Sylvia Sidney laughing at Congress being blown up. Martian heads explode. Jack Black gets vaporized. What more do you want in a movie?
SciFi comedy at its best!
It should never be taken seriously as SciFi…it’s Tim Burton? When the hell has he ever done a straight movie? That’s why he is great in my opinion. No one has the “visions” of Tim Burton.
re: #371 Eventual Carrion
Because that square fits snugly into their block heads.
It’s their sick desire to liken themselves to victims of real oppression. Meanwhile, I bet Dana owns more than guns now then she did in 2008 before Obama was elected.
Are there any actual instances of a “good guy with a gun” stopping a mass shooting in a public venue?
I can only think of one instance, a Colorado church shooting was stopped by an armed security guard (who was also a trained law enforcement professional).
Of course every time wingnuts mention that one I remind them that the hero was kicked out of the church after coming out as gay.
re: #373 HappyWarrior
You want to prove the idea more people with guns will prevent these? Chris Kyle was murdered on a shooting range. A shooting range.
Combine that with the fact that you can’t take loaded guns into any NRA convention or gun show, and you can tell what reality is.
re: #376 The Vicious Babushka
Are there any actual instances of a “good guy with a gun” stopping a mass shooting in a public venue?
I can only think of one instance, a Colorado church shooting was stopped by an armed security guard (who was also a trained law enforcement professional).
Of course every time wingnuts mention that one I remind them that the hero was kicked out of the church after coming out as gay.
That was just disgraceful and yet another reason why these churches are run by assholes.
re: #376 The Vicious Babushka
Are there any actual instances of a “good guy with a gun” stopping a mass shooting in a public venue?
Yes.
Read it and weep.
Guns don’t kill people. Bullets kill people. Fired from guns, brandished by people, who shoot you by accident or on purpose.
— Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson) October 2, 2015
The one thing missing in Syria is for Richard Dawkins to declare an unholy war and lead an army of atheists into it.
— Karl Sharro (@KarlreMarks) October 2, 2015
@eclecticbrotha the ‘Turducken Doctrine’
— Dave Sisley (@DaveSisley) October 2, 2015
re: #376 The Vicious Babushka
Are there any actual instances of a “good guy with a gun” stopping a mass shooting in a public venue?
I can only think of one instance, a Colorado church shooting was stopped by an armed security guard (who was also a trained law enforcement professional).
Of course every time wingnuts mention that one I remind them that the hero was kicked out of the church after coming out as gay.
So then…only a good gay person with a gun works.
And if you are a gay-hating fundie Christian type you’ll be shit outta luck because your church will have no gays with guns around.
Put that in the RWNJs pipe and let them smoke that!
re: #380 The Vicious Babushka
@neiltyson Why don’t we control the sale and possesion of bullets?
— Pete Marchetto (@petmar0) October 2, 2015
Good question. Does the 2A protect ammunition?
re: #373 HappyWarrior
I would add that it was a private gun range not affiliated with the NRA. As much as I loathe their politics they do operate the safest ranges. The folks, including Chris Kyle, who go to these unregulated ranges do so because they want to use weapons the NRA wisely does not allow and they also are not bothered to follow the rules of safe gun handling. I happily pay the extra for not belonging to the NRA to access an approved range with a trained range master, my safety is worth it.
re: #360 HappyWarrior
Good thing your training had that element. A lot of people would just
shootstand their ground and ask questions later.
FTFY
re: #385 witw
I would add that it was a private gun range not affiliated with the NRA. As much as I loathe their politics they do operate the safest ranges. The folks, including Chris Kyle, who go to these unregulated ranges do so because they want to use weapons the NRA wisely does not allow and they also are not bothered to follow the rules of safe gun handling. I happily pay the extra for not belonging to the NRA to access an approved range with a trained range master, my safety is worth it.
Wasnt aware of that, thanks.
re: #384 Franklin
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Good question. Does the 2A protect ammunition?
That was Rock’s suggestion.
Cue exploding RWNJ heads.
Pope Francis met privately with gay couple while in DC http://t.co/uPWKLD0RTl
— Broderick Greer (@BroderickGreer) October 2, 2015
I’m glad I know more about Chris Mintz than the shooter so far. I wouldn’t have been that brave. Get well dude and know that strangers appreciate your bravery.
re: #384 Franklin
Good question. Does the 2A protect ammunition?
Yes, because the second amendment covers arms (even though that’s not consistently applied) and a gun without bullets is a toy.
Oregon shooting: Gunman had white supremacy leanings and was obsessed with guns, source says
How could anyone have seen that coming?
re: #393 Skip Intro
Oregon shooting: Gunman had white supremacy leanings and was obsessed with guns, source says
How could anyone have seen that coming?
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re: #393 Skip Intro
Oregon shooting: Gunman had white supremacy leanings and was obsessed with guns, source says
How could anyone have seen that coming?
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re: #364 Charles Johnson
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So he was wearing body armor? Well, obviously all “reasonable gun owners” can manage a headshot from any distance at any angle, so they still could have defeated him with a single shot!
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re: #393 Skip Intro
I was going to comment that the wingers will have to go through some serious mental gymnastics to prove that the shooter was one of us and not one of them. Then I remembered that they now go straight to the lie and demand that everyone else agrees that it’s the truth.
re: #396 Targetpractice
So he was wearing body armor? Well, obviously all “reasonable gun owners” can manage a headshot from any distance at any angle, so they still could have defeated him with a single shot!
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It’s all I ever do. Blindfolded, with a bucket over my head.
@TherealGeorgeZ P.O.S. Zimmerman scum masturbates over dead people.
— gocart mozart (@attymix1) October 2, 2015
I’m about protecting life. It’s why I also want to defund Planned Parenthood.
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 2, 2015
re: #399 gocart mozart
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Funny coming from an actual murderer. You have more in common with this fucker Gerogy than Obama ever will.
re: #374 ObserverArt
SciFi comedy at its best!
It should never be taken seriously as SciFi…it’s Tim Burton? When the hell has he ever done a straight movie? That’s why he is great in my opinion. No one has the “visions” of Tim Burton.
My personal Tim Burton fave is Ed Wood.
re: #389 Bubblehead II
Related:
Vatican says #KimDavis’ meeting w/ #PopeFrancis ‘should not be considered a form of support.’ http://t.co/Ws0NMBY0cN pic.twitter.com/JuKpcg0KDb
— CNN (@CNN) October 2, 2015
“The Pope did not enter into the details of the situation of Mrs. Davis, and his meeting with her should not be considered a form of support of her position in all of its particular and complex aspects,” Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi said in a statement issued Friday morning.
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Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, had said the audience lasted 10 minutes and was just between the Pope, his client and her husband. Lombardi disputed that account, saying “several dozen” people were present at the Vatican Embassy during the meeting.
“Such brief greetings occur on all papal visits and are due to the Pope’s characteristic kindness and availability. The only real audience granted by the pope at the nunciature (embassy) was with one of his former students and his family,” Lombardi said.
re: #401 HappyWarrior
Funny coming from an actual murderer. You have more in common with this fucker Gerogy than Obama ever will.
Quoted for posterity.
re: #400 The Vicious Babushka
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And abolish the death penalty? And stop making war everywhere?
re: #405 Eventual Carrion
And abolish the death penalty? And stop making war everywhere?
Support increased funding for the poor?
re: #407 HappyWarrior
Support increased funding for the poor?
HURR HURR THERE LAZY & JUST WANT FREE STUFF!!!!!
re: #403 Lidane
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Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, had said the audience lasted 10 minutes and was just between the Pope, his client and her husband. Lombardi disputed that account, saying “several dozen” people were present at the Vatican Embassy during the meeting.
Staver’s is disputing this statement. Basically calling the Vatican liars.
Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, responded almost immediately to the Vatican, disputing the claim that the pope only met the clerk as part of a group. Davis and her husband, Staver told the Associated Press, met the pope alone.
Staver also told the AP that Vatican personnel initiated contact, saying the pope wanted to meet Davis. The lawyer did not name the Vatican officials.
You know how that turned out Ted? They came and took it.
180 years ago today, Texians in Gonzales responded to Santa Anna’s demand to hand over their cannon #ComeAndTakeIt pic.twitter.com/JdOvfSO1Wm
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) October 2, 2015
re: #410 Bubblehead II
I’m an atheist, but given the choice of believing Mat Staver or believing the Vatican on this, Imma go with the Holy See.
@sonofabeachy @fakedansavage @leftyjennyc Tell that to its Lobbyists
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 2, 2015
re: #128 I Stand With Planned Parenthood
The Massively Terrible Plan to Give Israel the Massive Ordnance Penetrator
(paywall)
I don’t even want to know.
Lease them a spare B52 or two:
What better way to kick off “The End Times To Come.”
re: #376 The Vicious Babushka
That church was the one that broke my faith the first time, when I was in high school.
re: #410 Bubblehead II
Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, had said the audience lasted 10 minutes and was just between the Pope, his client and her husband. Lombardi disputed that account, saying “several dozen” people were present at the Vatican Embassy during the meeting.
Staver’s is disputing this statement. Basically calling the Vatican liars.
Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, responded almost immediately to the Vatican, disputing the claim that the pope only met the clerk as part of a group. Davis and her husband, Staver told the Associated Press, met the pope alone.
Staver also told the AP that Vatican personnel initiated contact, saying the pope wanted to meet Davis. The lawyer did not name the Vatican officials.
I see no reason to believe Staver at all. He wants to use the Pope’s popularity to try to get is client off any charges. I really think Francis felt he was just trying to be polite the more I read about the story.
re: #411 The Vicious Babushka
You know how that turned out Ted? They came and took it.
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Let us pause and reflect on the heroic fight put up by the Cuban Canadians at the Alamo.
Historical Footnote: Santa Anna came and took it https://t.co/L2n6jK2Flw
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) October 2, 2015
re: #410 Bubblehead II
Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, had said the audience lasted 10 minutes and was just between the Pope, his client and her husband. Lombardi disputed that account, saying “several dozen” people were present at the Vatican Embassy during the meeting.
Staver’s is disputing this statement. Basically calling the Vatican liars.
Davis’ lawyer, Mat Staver, responded almost immediately to the Vatican, disputing the claim that the pope only met the clerk as part of a group. Davis and her husband, Staver told the Associated Press, met the pope alone.
Staver also told the AP that Vatican personnel initiated contact, saying the pope wanted to meet Davis. The lawyer did not name the Vatican officials.
So basically, she got into the Papal equivalent of a ‘meet & greet.’ Big whoop.
I’d point out that part of why the Texans broke away from Mexico was Mexico’s ban on slavery.
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You can’t expect a Cuban-Canadian to know that.
re: #400 The Vicious Babushka
I’m about protecting life. It’s why I also want to defund Planned Parenthood.
— Dana Loesch
Hurr hurr
re: #411 The Vicious Babushka
180 years ago today, Texians in Gonzales responded to Santa Anna’s demand to hand over their cannon #ComeAndTakeIt pic.twitter.com
— Ted Cruz
How’s that campaigning going, Ted?
Random unoriginal thoughts:
Waterboarding at Guantanamo Bay sounds super rad if you don’t know what either of those things are.
The person who would proof read Hitler’s speeches was literally a grammar Nazi.
re: #412 Lidane
I’m an atheist, but given the choice of believing Mat Staver or believing the Vatican on this, Imma go with the Holy See.
Same here. the more that comes out the more it smells.
re: #416 HappyWarrior
I see no reason to believe Staver at all. He wants to use the Pope’s popularity to try to get is client off any charges. I really think Francis felt he was just trying to be polite the more I read about the story.
Yep. I am coming to the conclusion that if the Vatican/Pope knew who she was and just how radioactive she was, she would have never been allowed into his presence.
re: #419 makeitstop
So basically, she got into the Papal equivalent of a ‘meet & greet.’ Big whoop.
Yep. Just how she was able to get in though remains to seen.
Hey Charles, if you haven’t checked out the entire Isbell Austin City Limits show, do so. It’s a great mix of his new stuff, Drive-By Truckers stuff, and a killer Rolling Stones cover at the end.
“Flying Over Water”, that’s my jam. Put on the headphones, and I belt it out at the top of my lungs if I think nobody is listening.
But Dana isn’t that the point of the RW meme? Before you can tell the difference BANG you’re dead.
1) Not helpful. 2) One is a pellet gun. Since you’re an expert, tell which. It’s why I took photo. https://t.co/dVf6WUvcVo
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 2, 2015
It looks like the east coast will dodge a bullet.
I’m glad the Pope’s meeting wasn’t what it first appeared to be. When the news broke, I thought “Well, meeting people is kind of his job, maybe he didn’t know the whole story”. I’d like to know how they got into the meeting in the first place though. Surely the Papal office can vet things better than this.
And of course, Davis’ people lied about it. Shock! First the Peruvians, now Fantasy Pope!
“Kim, that wasn’t The Pope. You were drunk at a Sbarro’s.”
Good guy had no gun.
Army vet shot 7 times trying to stop Ore. shooter - and survives - http://t.co/1wZ4Xunapp pic.twitter.com/5TRkjICm2s
— Broderick Greer (@BroderickGreer) October 2, 2015
re: #428 The Vicious Babushka
But Dana isn’t that the point of the RW meme? Before you can tell the difference BANG you’re dead.
YOUR NOT BEING HELPFUL!!!! YOUR ARGUMENT IS UNVALIDATED!!!1
re: #431 wrenchwench
Good guy had no gun.
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I really hope he gets an invitation to meet Obama or the governor of Oregon. Good dude. I knew a few guys like him in college. They were older guys who had been in the military returning to school.
LIVE: ATF agent says all weapons in shooter’s possession were purchased legally. http://t.co/Soh8LVRvxE #UCCShooting
— Reuters Live (@ReutersLive) October 2, 2015
re: #433 HappyWarrior
I really hope he gets an invitation to meet Obama or the governor of Oregon. Good dude. I knew a few guys like him in college. They were older guys who had been in the military returning to school.
Why does Obama meet with this guy and not a real hero like Kim Davis!?!??!?!??!
re: #430 Pawn of the Oppressor
I’m glad the Pope’s meeting wasn’t what it first appeared to be. When the news broke, I thought “Well, meeting people is kind of his job, maybe he didn’t know the whole story”. I’d like to know how they got into the meeting in the first place though. Surely the Papal office can vet things better than this.
And of course, Davis’ people lied about it. Shock! First the Peruvians, now Fantasy Pope!
“Kim, that wasn’t The Pope. You were drunk at a Sbarro’s.”
I have to admit, I was initially quite disappointed with Francis but seeing the Vatican’s explanation and that he met with a gay couple too shows me that the man just wants to give everyone his time and I think this meeting with Davis is consistent with his overall message of embracing all people. It does disappoint me though that the American hierarchy pushed this though apparently since they’re the ones who play a big role shaping American Catholicism.
re: #435 Fourth Football of the Apocalypse
Why does Obama meet with this guy and not a real hero like Kim Davis!?!??!?!??!
I would’t be surprised if Mat Staver thinks that.
re: #434 The Vicious Babushka
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I believe it. Lanza’s were as have been most shooters before.
Fuck face is trying to be a bigger asshole than Ben Shapiro
George Zimmerman compares Obama to ‘mixed race’ Oregon shooter Christopher Harper Mercer
The man who killed black teen Trayvon Martin during a scuffle in Florida in 2012 claimed President Barack Obama has two things in common with the Oregon shooter: they are both of mixed race and both have killed Christians in the U.S.
On Twitter, where Zimmerman does his attacking these days, the acquitted killer tweeted: “2 things P.O.S. Obama & his son have in common, self proclaimed “mixed race” and attacking Christians on US soil.” Zimmerman included a picture of suspected Oregon shooter Christopher Harper Mercer, who identifies as mixed race.
re: #439 Dr. Matt
Fuck face is trying to be a bigger asshole than Ben Shapiro
George Zimmerman compares Obama to ‘mixed race’ Oregon shooter Christopher Harper Mercer
He’s proving that it was spot on to call him a racist.
re: #434 The Vicious Babushka
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So he was a law abiding, good guy with a gun. Right up to the point where he wasn’t.
re: #412 Lidane
I’m an atheist, but given the choice of believing Mat Staver or believing the Vatican on this, Imma go with the Holy See.
Thankfully, these are not the only options, so we can merrily continue to disbelieve them both.
So I see that the guy described himself as “spiritual” in his alleged profile. Doesn’t exclude atheism/agnosticism, but could easily be a deist or some New Agey type. Or is there new info?
re: #441 Eventual Carrion
So he was a law abiding, good guy with a gun. Right up to the point where he wasn’t.
That’s been my question- when does the good guy with a gun become a bad one? The thing a lot of these shooters have in common is while a lot of their peers think them odd, a lot of them don’t actually have criminal records.
re: #444 HappyWarrior
That’s been my question- when does the good guy with a gun become a bad one? The thing a lot of these shooters have in common is while a lot of their peers think them odd, a lot of them don’t actually have criminal records.
When someone’s child gets sacrificed. And too many people are willing to allow the sacrifice to their gun god.
re: #445 Belafon
When someone’s child gets sacrificed. And too many people are willing to allow the sacrifice to their gun god.
I know, sigh.
re: #418 Kragar
Non sequitur of the day (and funny I might add) goes to:
@texaswc @DJDadMCMom @tedcruz @Chad_Malone you want this man running our country? his hands are minuscule pic.twitter.com/Hkoqpd8MKU
— logic expert (@RealTrillBill) October 2, 2015
re: #448 Franklin
No, but he could be a good proctologist. /
re: #448 Franklin
Non sequitur of the day (and funny I might add) goes to:
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Ted Cruz couldn’t masturbate a cat with those hands.