EXCLUSIVE: Dad of #SanBernardino shooting suspect Syed Farook says son worked as health tech at restaurants, hotels https://t.co/9D2OodiM4s
— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) December 3, 2015
If this doesn’t push Trump to 50% nothing will. This is his Reichstag Fire.
Eye Witless News still going on about “terrorism”. Mentions “ISIS”.
Evidence suggests that Syed Farook was an environmental health specialist with the Department of Public Health of San Bernardino County, which was the group hosting the holiday party that was attacked.
So of course this is terrorism and not at all workplace violence.
Sigh.
re: #2 Skip Intro
If this doesn’t push Trump to 50% nothing will. This is his Reichstag Fire.
I wish I could say you are wrong, but I find myself nodding in agreement. /damn
RBS
re: #2 Skip Intro
If this doesn’t push Trump to 50% nothing will. This is his Reichstag Fire.
I’m afraid your undershooting that level!
Conspiracy nuts starting to come out in droves on twitter….
From below, you can go to this page sbcounty.gov and search for “Syed” to see all the reports filed by Syed Farook who was working as an REHS employee for the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health. This was the same agency that was attacked today at the Inland Regional Center. If 2+2=4, this may be a case of workplace violence/revenge.
re: #2 Skip Intro
If this doesn’t push Trump to 50% nothing will. This is his Reichstag Fire.
Then we will have more work to do. This isn’t going to be an election where you send 5 bucks to the good guy.
Eyewitless News guest now telling Americans to report your neighbors if they’re in the garage building stuff…..
It’s illegal to own more than 6 dildos in Texas. https://t.co/whcYQJMLJx But you can have as many guns as you want.
— KStreetHipster (@KStreetHipster) December 3, 2015
re: #10 freetoken
Eyewitless News guest now telling Americans to report your neighbors if they’re in the garage building stuff…..
That’s what Donald said to do. I’m sure he’ll be pleased with them.
Media may have 1) falsely IDed innocent man 2) falsely implicated innocent men who share his name. Urging caution due to media being crap.
— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) December 3, 2015
re: #10 freetoken
Eyewitless News guest now telling Americans to report your neighbors if they’re in the garage building stuff…..
I always think of this now when spying on people comes up
Now studio talking head jumping in….
REPORT YOUR NEIGHBORS!!
re: #12 teleskiguy
.@KStreetHipster Call me a prude, but owning more than 3 dildos seems a bit excessive.
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) December 3, 2015
re: #19 The War TARDIS
Every station is Fox News now.
Eyewitless studio talking heads going all in on the report-your-neighbor motif….
Look for communists under the bed too while you’re at it.
Perhaps he did work there but lost his job and took a job as a restaurant tech (whatever that is), possibly cutting his income in half or more. In CA, which is really expensive, that could cause desperation and a desire for revenge.
Who knows…pure speculation.
It’s going to suck how fearmongers are going to whip up the masses. Yet gun sales will soar and more will die.
It’s a shame we fear the wrong thing.
re: #18 Dr. Matt
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@DrMatthew @KStreetHipster Prude. lol
— jim (@jlcoffeecup) December 3, 2015
re: #4 klys (maker of Silmarils)
So of course this is terrorism and not at all workplace violence.
Sigh.
Klys, first we need to wait and make sure the info is correct, but if it’s workplace violence, one doesn’t usually bring along two friends with automatic weapons and explosive devices.
re: #23 WhatEVs
Perhaps he did work there but lost his job and took a job as a restaurant tech (whatever that is), possibly cutting his income in half or more. In CA, which is really expensive, that could cause desperation and a desire for revenge.
Who knows…pure speculation.
It’s going to suck how fearmongers are going to whip up the masses. Yet gun sales will soar and more will die.
It’s a shame we fear the wrong thing.
If this was revenge, this guy should have known what repercussions it could have for the rest of the Muslim community… especially almost 3 weeks AFTER Paris. Jesus Christ.
Farook said he hasn’t seen his son in some time.
“He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim
i wonder how much the wall will soak up any remaining unemployment
RWNJS: “Its too early to call it terrorism.”
Suspect has Middle Eastern name.
RWNJS: “SEE! IT WAS TOTALLY TERROR!”
re: #23 WhatEVs
Perhaps he did work there but lost his job and took a job as a restaurant tech (whatever that is), possibly cutting his income in half or more. In CA, which is really expensive, that could cause desperation and a desire for revenge.
Who knows…pure speculation.
It’s going to suck how fearmongers are going to whip up the masses. Yet gun sales will soar and more will die.
It’s a shame we fear the wrong thing.
Simple answer—he was a county health inspector of restaurants.
re: #25 Desmond
Yes, we know you want to blame Muslims.
re: #18 Dr. Matt
You know this for a fact?
re: #20 Skip Intro
Every station is Fox News now.
Sure seems that way. I can’t wait for that liberal oasis, home of Morning Joe’s, take on things.
re: #30 Kragar
RWNJS: “Its too early to call it terrorism.”
Suspect has Middle Eastern name.
RWNJS: “SEE! IT WAS TOTALLY TERROR!”
This entire day is the kind of thing that’s going to drive me to take up drinking.
jeebus, the Daily Beast story is so full of crap.
Looks like they just pulled anything they could find through google searches and went around knocking on doors all over the place and calling people looking for someone to admit they are related to the guy.
The name (even with that specific spelling) is not uncommon on the google machine for a bunch of different people.
re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth
jeebus, the Daily Beast story is so full of crap.
Looks like they just pulled anything they could find through google searches and went around knocking on doors all over the place and calling people looking for someone to admit they are related to the guy.
The name (even with that specific spelling) is not uncommon on the google machine for a bunch of different people.
A shame, since I always thought The Daily Beast was above that crap.
re: #33 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN
You know this for a fact?
Well, I am a scientist and last time I checked there are limited number of orifices on the human body…..just saying…
// :)
There was a link in last thread where you could see three people by that name working for the State of California. It even had a breakdown of his pay and how much of it was benefits. The reports he filed were dated up to a couple of weeks ago.
Him showing up at the party and then leaving fits as last-minute reconnaissance. If his brother was involved and this really was a family thing, it could be radicalization at work.
I hate this stuff, not just because it’s awful, but because my analytical mind can’t switch off and until there’s a motive announced it’s hard for me to let the problem go. I’m not a “Stuff Happens” guy, so I guess no Presidential run for me!
And then there’s this:
ISIS Celebrates San Bernardino Terrorist Attack, Praises ‘Three Lions’ https://t.co/GVLTfi4MSj #morocco #news
— Latest From Morocco (@_Morocco) December 3, 2015
re: #38 Dr. Matt
Well, I am a scientist and last time I checked there are limited number of orifices on the human body…..just saying…
// :)
Variety, it’s the spice of life
Who — WHO??? — among us POSSIBLY could have seen this coming?!? https://t.co/4wdfrJPRLO
— John Schindler (@20committee) December 3, 2015
Ugggghhh. I think the odds still favor workplace violence or survivalist type anti-government crap. But of course everyone on the right seems to be almost gleeful over this little detail.
That special #SJW torment when you were sooooo sure the mass killer was Jim-Bob yet he turns out to be - FUCK! Not again! - Syed :(
— John Schindler (@20committee) December 3, 2015
Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?
re: #26 electrotek
If this was revenge, this guy should have known what repercussions it could have for the rest of the Muslim community… especially almost 3 weeks AFTER Paris. Jesus Christ.
It’s nothing but selfish to kill others for whatever reason. I doubt that he’d give one single shit.
I have a hard time believing if it is workplace violence that 14 dead and more injured personally affronted him. So he, for whatever reason, selfishly killed and shot up a boatload of people. Why would he care about anyone else.
re: #40 freetoken
And then there’s this:
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Meh, those blowhards love to take credit for anything
re: #45 Jenner7
This named suspect…is he deceased or in custody??
Dead. He was the male killed in the first shootout earlier today.
re: #42 StephenMeansMe
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Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?
Wasn’t he the Snowden-loving dudebro that sent out pics of his schlong?
re: #25 Desmond
Typically workplace violence doesn’t result in escalation to the point of 14 people killed either. (This actually ties for the deadliest workplace violence in the US.)
I could absolutely see someone stewing about a perceived wrong with a family member and significant other and this being the result.
It’s just as possible as terrorism at this point, and I think slightly more likely because it answers the question of why that target, based on the currently available evidence.
Also I’m not really as terrified of Islamic terrorists as the media would apparently like me to be. Or the GOP. So I don’t really see them as behind every major attack when America does just fine at producing its own set of mass shooters on a regular basis.
re: #42 StephenMeansMe
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Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?
It takes a sick fuck to gloat over the deaths of 14 people.
re: #42 StephenMeansMe
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Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?
Smart guys don’t share their dick pics in a public forum.
Carson is a fucking brain surgeon but is as smart as a fern.
Just sayin’.
re: #26 electrotek
If this was revenge, this guy should have known what repercussions it could have for the rest of the Muslim community… especially almost 3 weeks AFTER Paris. Jesus Christ.
If he’s following ISIS ideology, then all the Muslims who AREN’T killing people are the ones who are in the wrong, so fuck them anyway. “92% of ISIS victims are Muslim” was the stat I saw floating around Twitter the other day.
The only repercussion they care about is the Apocalypse made flesh.
re: #50 Desmond
You keep harping about how it must be Islamist Terror.
No one who is that single-minded about proving something without having an agenda.
And this:
We have been screaming from the mountain tops that this would happen, and we’ve been called racist for it. Now what? https://t.co/dnNOfznbk8
— The Dc Gazette (@TheDcGazette) December 3, 2015
“Breaking! ISIS Celebrating Success Of San Bernardino Attack! Obama Should Be Impeached!”
re: #42 StephenMeansMe
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Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?
He won’t look that way when the next shooter is actually named JimBob.
re: #42 StephenMeansMe
Ugggghhh. I think the odds still favor workplace violence or survivalist type anti-government crap. But of course everyone on the right seems to be almost gleeful over this little detail.
Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?
I don’t view a grown-ass man who has texted pics of their dick as “smart”.
I just got back from a loooong walk. So, this seems to me like a terrorist plot that happened to take place at a former place of employment? Am I wrong in thinking that?
Well maybe I will think again about it being someone that was at the meeting/party got mad left and came back. Just because he was there doesn’t mean he wasn’t ready for this and had his friends ready if things didn’t go his way.
re: #27 The War TARDIS
His last report was done on 11-14 of last year.
Awfully long time for revenge.
Maybe I’m doing a search incorrectly, but when I did a search on the inspection types that he was doing, there weren’t any at all after Nov 14 2014. It may be just a case of the state not publishing the forms in a timely fashion.
re: #46 Charles Johnson
Actually no.
Schindler knows his history/CI stuff but he has a special hard on for what he dismissively calls “social justice warriors”, and his views on race relations are…eyebrow raising to say the least. When that black guy shot the reporter on live TV a few months back, he was going apeshit over how it was going to ignite a race war and Black Lives Matter was finished, etc.
re: #58 jaunte
He won’t look that way when the next shooter is actually named JimBob.
Or Robert Dear.
re: #57 freetoken
And this:
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“Breaking! ISIS Celebrating Success Of San Bernardino Attack! Obama Should Be Impeached!”
These Daesh fucks really know how to pull our strings. They derive more power from their imagined numbers than their actual numbers.
re: #34 WhatEVs
You think they’ll manage to find time for a Trump call in?
re: #60 Blizard
I just got back from a loooong walk. So, this seems to me like a terrorist plot that happened to take place at a former place of employment? Am I wrong in thinking that?
I don’t think so. Looks like it’s hovering right in a gray area at the moment, it has a little bit of everything. It was structured like a modern terrorist attack, but the target choice looks personal rather than political.
Maybe a better word than “supposed” is “alleged.” There’s always a pattern with the “smart conservative” types, that actually stay conservative even after the past decade and a half.
re: #64 Belafon
Or Robert Dear.
Seriously my Dad is a bearded middle aged white guy. I haven’t seen anyone stop to give him grief because of what Dear did.
re: #68 StephenMeansMe
Maybe a better word than “supposed” is “alleged.” There’s always a pattern with the “smart conservative” types, that actually stay conservative even after the past decade and a half.
I think you mean one of those types like Krauthammer who is supposedly better than some of the big time hacks?
re: #66 Skip Intro
You think they’ll manage to find time for a Trump call in?
I’d lay money in it. Joe gets wood overT.rumph.
And this:
CONFIRMED: Devoted Muslim Syed Farook Identified as an Attacker in #SanBernardino https://t.co/rH5lshgBKM #tcot pic.twitter.com/KOWZAxUNnQ
— THE POLITISTICK (@ThePolitiStick) December 3, 2015
The identity of one of the attackers at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California has been identified as Syed Farook. He has been identified by his father as a devoutly religious Muslim. The name is being reported by the LA Times, CBS News, and shockingly the Daily Beast.
The media was quick to say that Farook is a U.S. citizen, though the Fort Hood terrorist, Nidal Malik Hassan, was also a U.S. citizen who committed jihad on base murdering 13 fellow soldiers.
Pamela Geller posted a picture of Farook on her website and said this simply confirmed her reports from hours before. It confirms as well the report of PolitiStick from police scanners and counter-terrorism experts.
This confirms the report based upon police scanners and sources of counter-terrorism experts who appeared on The O’Reilly Factor that one of the attackers was Middle Eastern. The name, as was previously stated, was simply reversed.
FOX News’ Adam Housley has also said that the other attacker also has “a weird name.” They will still not say whether this was terrorism, but are instead stressing that Farook was an American citizen.
[…]
This is gold for Trump.
Rod Dreher is going to be telling his audience about “race realist” John Derbyshire again tomorrow and bookend his screeds with quotes from Steve Sailer and Gates of Vienna. Teh Mooslims are coming because Post Enlightenment civilization doesn’t have enough mojo to hold off the “savages” (he really likes that word) and dammit…you better start going back to church if you don’t want your daughters being sold to a harem.
re: #67 Pawn of the Oppressor
Right. It’s been hard to follow but admittedly I had to shut the computer for awhile.
re: #70 HappyWarrior
I guess the threshold is just really low after so much relentless anti-intellectualism. Too bad it doesn’t help.
re: #76 The War TARDIS
We will see a major, anti-Muslim attack before Christmas.
Hope not. God forbid if an American Baruch Goldstein emerges.
I’m outta here gang. There is nothing I can contribute, the vast majority of the facts aren’t in yet, I’m not going to muddy my mind until there is enough information to draw reasonable conclusions, not just inferences.
Probably be back tomorrow evening, for some reason I’m thinking I’ve got some work-related thing tomorrow night, but can’t find it on my calendar. Which doesn’t mean a darn thing.
Love, Peace and a long sad Sigh for the state of Humanity today.
RBS
You know what after WWII and we saw that the German government killed millions of innocent people, we did NOT, I repeat did NOT hold all Germans collectively responsible. We did not harass those with German last names, we did not harass Lutherans, etc. We realized that individuals committed those acts. An individual committed this act.
re: #75 StephenMeansMe
I guess the threshold is just really low after so much relentless anti-intellectualism. Too bad it doesn’t help.
Yeah I think you’re right unfortunately.
re: #65 No Depression
These Daesh fucks really know how to pull our strings. They derive more power from their imagined numbers than their actual numbers.
Ain’t it the truth. They know that a certain political party (cough) has got stupid Americans afraid of their own shadows.
They learned that lesson from bin Laden, and they learned it well.
Now, what if SB police said “Said Fuck” on the scanner in reference to the perp(s), but reich wingers heard what they wanted to hear?
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— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) December 3, 2015
I’ve been sitting here thinking about the future. Any type of “terrorist” attack in the week or so before the Presidential election would be a disaster for this Country. The US would never be the same. The inmates will have taken over the asylum.
re: #80 HappyWarrior
You know what after WWII and we saw that the German government killed millions of innocent people, we did NOT, I repeat did NOT hold all Germans collectively responsible. We did not harass those with German last names, we did not harass Lutherans, etc. We realized that individuals committed those acts. An individual committed this act.
On the flipside, we DID hold all Japanese (and no doubt other Asians) collectively responsible for Pearl Harbor. So…yeah….
@JoeMyGod Please tell me you’re kidding.
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) December 3, 2015
I’m leaning heavily towards workplace violence than religiously-inspired terrorism though. You know if it was religiously inspired they wouldn’t hesitate to use religious rhetoric on their victims as they have done elsewhere.
re: #86 Kryptik
On the flipside, we DID hold all Japanese (and no doubt other Asians) collectively responsible for Pearl Harbor. So…yeah….
And on Life Magazine, there was even a feature on one issue that aimed to show the facial and physical differences between our Chinese allies and the Japanese enemy during that time period.
re: #87 Dr. Matt
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Welp. Here we go. Fun talking to you guys, but the crazy’s going to come out of the woodworks with full media sanction here soon.
re: #88 electrotek
I’m leaning heavily towards workplace violence than religiously-inspired terrorism though. You know if it was religiously inspired they wouldn’t hesitate to use religious rhetoric on their victims as they have done elsewhere.
Possibly…but it will make no difference with the fearful.
re: #88 electrotek
But… but.. supposedly his father said Sayed was a very religious Muslim.
re: #88 electrotek
They would have stayed in place, taken hostages like in Paris.
re: #86 Kryptik
On the flipside, we DID hold all Japanese (and no doubt other Asians) collectively responsible for Pearl Harbor. So…yeah….
You’re right. I guess my point is so many white Americans who want to do this to Muslims would have been aghast if it was done to them or their ancestors. The blaming an entire group is disgusting. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the victims was Muslim.
re: #88 electrotek
I’m leaning heavily towards workplace violence than religiously-inspired terrorism though. You know if it was religiously inspired they wouldn’t hesitate to use religious rhetoric on their victims as they have done elsewhere.
Agreed but the guy’s name will be enough for the right to howl about. Plus work place violence, much like domestic terrorism is far too complicated for the simpletons in the media.
re: #72 freetoken
And this:
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This is gold for Trump.
That’s the same photo that the Daily Beast used and they identified him as a business tax specialist, not the environmental health person.
Is it the suspect? Right now I’m not convinced.
re: #78 electrotek
My faith in the US was broken by the response to the Paris attacks, and apparently, so was my parents as well.
They are openly talking about moving to Norway very seriously if Trump wins (Dad is Grandson of a Norwegian). Because of increasing hyper-sensitivity issues, that is a complete non-starter.
I have considered France, though one Muslim friend from there has said it is bad.
But probably not as bad as the US, where Republicans are openly taking about Special Identification for Muslims, and putting Muslims in Camps. Or as bad as Britain, where Salafists and Deobandis have infested the Muslim Community there.
re: #85 Cheechako
I’ve been sitting here thinking about the future. Any type of “terrorist” attack in the week or so before the Presidential election would be a disaster for this Country. The US would never be the same. The inmates will have taken over the asylum.
The scary thing is that Daesh probably knows this too.
Understatement of the year.
Rationality has had a rough month or two.
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) December 3, 2015
re: #97 The War TARDIS
My faith in the US was broken by the response to the Paris attacks, and apparently, so was my parents as well.
They are openly talking about moving to Norway very seriously if Trump wins (Dad is Grandson of a Norwegian). Because of increasing hyper-sensitivity issues, that is a complete non-starter.
I have considered France, though one Muslim friend from there has said it is bad.
But probably not as bad as the US, where Republicans are openly taking about Special Identification for Muslims, and putting Muslims in Camps. Or as bad as Britain, where Salafists and Deobandis have infested the Muslim Community there.
US is still better than a lot of industrialized nations though. In spite of everything we still have more rights than we would if we were in Germany or the Persian Gulf states.
I wouldn’t want to be in Australia right now, with two anniversaries around the corner: the 1st anniversary of the Sydney coffee shop siege and the 10th anniversary of the Cronulla Beach riots.
re: #94 HappyWarrior
You’re right. I guess my point is so many white Americans who want to do this to Muslims would have been aghast if it was done to them or their ancestors. The blaming an entire group is disgusting. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the victims was Muslim.
It’s not going to matter at this rate. The Tribe has spoken, and they’re about to show us just what’s going to happen to the filthy evil Other in our midst. Doesn’t matter who of the Other outright condemns this shit, the backlash is going to drown out everything at this rate, and the media is going to pump it out like cars in a factory.
re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth
Doesn’t matter…
Only thing that matters is that he doesn’t look like an American.
re: #103 freetoken
Doesn’t matter…
Only thing that matters is that he doesn’t look like an American.
And he’s brown
re: #97 The War TARDIS
I should note, my parents are White Christians, and have bounced around denominations.
Dad from Dutch Reformed to Presbyterian to Methodist.
Mom from Unknown Protestant to Catholic to Presbyterian to Methodist.
They aren’t in anyway out of average.
re: #80 HappyWarrior
You know what after WWII and we saw that the German government killed millions of innocent people, we did NOT, I repeat did NOT hold all Germans collectively responsible. We did not harass those with German last names, we did not harass Lutherans, etc. We realized that individuals committed those acts. An individual committed this act.
Not so much after WWII, but you might want to read up on the reaction to the very large US German community leading up to and during WWI. Lots of names changed, both of people and communities, and what had been a vibrant German-language press in the US pretty much vanished overnight.
re: #102 Kryptik
It’s not going to matter at this rate. The Tribe has spoken, and they’re about to show us just what’s going to happen to the filthy evil Other in our midst. Doesn’t matter who of the Other outright condemns this shit, the backlash is going to drown out everything at this rate, and the media is going to pump it out like cars in a factory.
Yeah I know. Man I hate this stuff for the Muslim-American community. You guys deserve the same respect as anyone else. You’re Americans.
re: #97 The War TARDIS
Norway is not so welcoming to emigrants these days.
re: #88 electrotek
I’m leaning heavily towards workplace violence than religiously-inspired terrorism though. You know if it was religiously inspired they wouldn’t hesitate to use religious rhetoric on their victims as they have done elsewhere.
And, if they are radicalized US citizens religious rhetoric wouldn’t necessarily be a typical response. And, they could have chosen the location because they simply knew a bunch of people would be there.
The only thing that seems for sure is that some assholes used easily accessible weapons to kill a bunch of people
re: #99 teleskiguy
Understatement of the year.
Rationality has had a rough
monthyear ortwoseven.
Mr. Silver is so adorable in his ability to understate things.
re: #106 ipsos
Not so much after WWII, but you might want to read up on the reaction to the very large US German community leading up to and during WWI. Lots of names changed, both of people and communities, and what had been a vibrant German-language press in the US pretty much vanished overnight.
Oops yeah you are right about that. And I do remember reading about a man that got lynched for speaking German.
re: #97 The War TARDIS
My faith in the US was broken by the response to the Paris attacks, and apparently, so was my parents as well.
They are openly talking about moving to Norway very seriously if Trump wins (Dad is Grandson of a Norwegian). Because of increasing hyper-sensitivity issues, that is a complete non-starter.
I have considered France, though one Muslim friend from there has said it is bad.
But probably not as bad as the US, where Republicans are openly taking about Special Identification for Muslims, and putting Muslims in Camps. Or as bad as Britain, where Salafists and Deobandis have infested the Muslim Community there.
I can guarantee you that if anyone in the government tries to have special ID for Muslims or tries to put them in a camp, I’ll be marching in the street, screaming my bloody head off.
re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth
That’s the same photo that the Daily Beast used and they identified him as a business tax specialist, not the environmental health person.
Is it the suspect? Right now I’m not convinced.
Probably not. They also identified him as living in Corona not SB. But really, at this point does it really matter? The important thing is that finally it’s not a white guy. The media is going to love that.
re: #101 electrotek
My French Friend recommended Australia to me too.
That is also a non-starter.
If Pakistan could get its act together and stop meandering in the wilderness, I would very seriously consider Pakistan too. But Pakistan is having huge, but solvable issues, if the old families and famous idiots could let competent people give a shot at this.
re: #113 Sionainn
I can guarantee you that if anyone in the government tries to have special ID for Muslims or tries to put them in a camp, I’ll be marching in the street, screaming my bloody head off.
So ironic you mentioned that since out of boredom I watched The Siege for the first time since 1999 which is the last time I saw it on HBO.
For Saudi Women, ‘Baby Steps Into This World Of Democracy’
It’s election season in Saudi Arabia, and for the first time, women can vote and campaign for seats on local municipal councils. More than 900 women have put themselves forward as candidates. The ballot is next week, in a small and limited step towards democracy.
At a political meeting for women in Riyadh, professors, writers and activists gather to talk about the campaign. There are jugs of strong coffee and a snack table. Smartphones are held close.
Everything is new, says Hatoon al-Fassi, a Saudi professor and leading women’s rights activist. It’s about more than getting the vote; it’s introducing women in this conservative society into public life.
“Being in the public [is] very frightening, very intimidating, very all sorts of things,” she says. “We are doing things from scratch. We are having baby steps into this world of democracy.”
re: #112 danarchy
It was Bernard Kerik.
Hannity has no problem having convicted felons on?
Oh wait, he’s friends with Oliver North and G. Gordon Liddy, stupid me.
re: #107 HappyWarrior
Yeah I know. Man I hate this stuff for the Muslim-American community. You guys deserve the same respect as anyone else. You’re Americans.
They should be…but they aren’t. Same with Black people. Same with Hispanic people. Same with people who can easily be mistaken for Muslims/Black People/Hispanics. Fuck, same with anyone who isn’t right of Limbaugh at this rate. We’re not Americans. We’re not allowed to BE Americans. We are the Other, we are the invaders, we are the plague, and Real America is clearly about to show us ‘our place’ here soon, and I”m fucking terrified.
re: #115 The War TARDIS
My French Friend recommended Australia to me too.
That is also a non-starter.
If Pakistan could get its act together and stop meandering in the wilderness, I would very seriously consider Pakistan too. But Pakistan is having huge, but solvable issues, if the old families and famous idiots could let competent people give a shot at this.
Australia is worse now for Muslims than it was years ago.
Pakistan is a joke. I was born there and I sure as fuck wouldn’t want to go back to that shithole, especially when so many of them still venerate a murderer like Mumtaz Qadri and persecute minority groups worse. I would never go back there, period.
re: #115 The War TARDIS
My French Friend recommended Australia to me too.
That is also a non-starter.
If Pakistan could get its act together and stop meandering in the wilderness, I would very seriously consider Pakistan too. But Pakistan is having huge, but solvable issues, if the old families and famous idiots could let competent people give a shot at this.
HOw’s your Urdu?
re: #108 freetoken
More friendly than here.
re: #116 electrotek
So ironic you mentioned that since out of boredom I watched The Siege for the first time since 1999 which is the last time I saw it on HBO.
I was just thinking about that film a couple weeks ago (probably after Paris), the last time I watched it years ago, it was so eerily.
re: #115 The War TARDIS
My French Friend recommended Australia to me too.
That is also a non-starter.
If Pakistan could get its act together and stop meandering in the wilderness, I would very seriously consider Pakistan too. But Pakistan is having huge, but solvable issues, if the old families and famous idiots could let competent people give a shot at this.
A white guy in Pakistan? Doesn’t sound like a smart thing to do.
re: #119 Kryptik
They should be…but they aren’t. Same with Black people. Same with Hispanic people. Same with people who can easily be mistaken for Muslims/Black People/Hispanics. Fuck, same with anyone who isn’t right of Limbaugh at this rate. We’re not Americans. We’re not allowed to BE Americans. We are the Other, we are the invaders, we are the plague, and Real America is clearly about to show us ‘our place’ here soon, and I”m fucking terrified.
Just pisses me off so much. It’s just so fucking wrong.
re: #116 electrotek
So ironic you mentioned that since out of boredom I watched The Siege for the first time since 1999 which is the last time I saw it on HBO.
I haven’t heard of that. I’ll have to check that out.
re: #118 Timothy Watson
Hannity has no problem having convicted felons on?
Oh wait, he’s friends with Oliver North and G. Gordon Liddy, stupid me.
He’s also fond of racists too like Mark Fuhrman and I think Hal Turner was the white supremacist ashsole’s name.
re: #123 Timothy Watson
I was just thinking about that film a couple weeks ago (probably after Paris), the last time I watched it years ago, it was so eerily.
That movie was so unrealistic. I mean, they actually ARRESTED Bruce Willis for doing what needed to be done and saving us from the evil Islamists!
re: #126 Sionainn
I haven’t heard of that. I’ll have to check that out.
It was sneered at pretty much at the time.
It looks a bit more accurate now, especially wrt how authorities may suspend civil liberties which plays into the terrorists hands.
(The suicide bombing of a Broadway play is nightmarish. I can still see one woman, deeply in shock and wearing an evening gown walking out of the wreckage with one arm completely blown off)
re: #126 Sionainn
I haven’t heard of that. I’ll have to check that out.
Annettte Benning and Denzel Washington I think. I think I saw it in theaters in Georgetown. Why I remember that, I don’t know. I have a weird memory.
re: #130 HappyWarrior
Annettte Benning and Denzel Washington I think. I think I saw it in theaters in Georgetown. Why I remember that, I don’t know. I have a weird memory.
My husband is amazed at the number of movies I have not seen.
re: #108 freetoken
Norway is not so welcoming to emigrants these days.
Even after Breivik’s massacre that targeted Norwegians??
re: #121 HappyWarrior
I have been planning on learning it. It will be a struggle.
The reason why I was already planning, of course, is because I have gotten so enmeshed with one community, that I see it as inevitable that whoever I meet in the future will likely be from there.
re: #124 Sionainn
I would only go if Pakistan shaped up.
Since that isn’t likely to happen, I won’t. I will still need to learn the language anyway.
re: #132 electrotek
Even after Breivik’s massacre that targeted Norwegians??
From what I’ve read, immigration is now a touchy subject in Norway.
re: #130 HappyWarrior
And Tony Shaloub as Washington’s Muslim-American partner, who ends up a much needed viewpoint character for the paranoia that results.
re: #131 Sionainn
My husband is amazed at the number of movies I have not seen.
People are always amazed that I’ve never seen the entirety of the original Star Wars trilogy and Lord of the Rings. i get a lot of weird looks for that and hey you there don’t look at me like that! But a lot of them have never seen the original Day of the Jackal or The Conversation.
re: #119 Kryptik
They should be…but they aren’t. Same with Black people. Same with Hispanic people. Same with people who can easily be mistaken for Muslims/Black People/Hispanics. Fuck, same with anyone who isn’t right of Limbaugh at this rate. We’re not Americans. We’re not allowed to BE Americans. We are the Other, we are the invaders, we are the plague, and Real America is clearly about to show us ‘our place’ here soon, and I”m fucking terrified.
Might be a good time for all the “others” to dial back identity politics and put some serious effort into coalition (re)building.
re: #133 The War TARDIS
I have been planning on learning it. It will be a struggle.
The reason why I was already planning, of course, is because I have gotten so enmeshed with one community, that I see it as inevitable that whoever I meet in the future will likely be from there.
I would only go if Pakistan shaped up.
Since that isn’t likely to happen, I won’t. I will still need to learn the language anyway.
Since you have so many Pakistani friends, that will be good because you’ll have plenty of people to practice with.
re: #132 electrotek
The Conservatives in Norway are just as craven as here.
They are in coalition with the Norwegian version of the Tea Party.
However, it looks like, if the election were held now, the would both lose to Labour again.
Here’s your Trump supporters:
@CNN This happens when our piece of shit President laxes our security. Cancelled metadata collection. https://t.co/9u3Zhn0c9f
— Sean (@Cosmic_Quandary) December 3, 2015
re: #134 freetoken
From what I’ve read, immigration is now a touchy subject in Norway.
I don’t know about Norway specifically, but wasn’t there a high-profile torching of a refugee camp in Sweden?
re: #133 The War TARDIS
I have been planning on learning it. It will be a struggle.
The reason why I was already planning, of course, is because I have gotten so enmeshed with one community, that I see it as inevitable that whoever I meet in the future will likely be from there.
I would only go if Pakistan shaped up.
Since that isn’t likely to happen, I won’t. I will still need to learn the language anyway.
I will be honest with you, from a fellow Muslim.
Please don’t be one of those converts who discard their cultural identity in order to fit in. Being Muslim doesn’t mean you adopt Arab or Pakistani or Turkish culture and discard your current one. Think about it bro, how would Islam have spread if we were all to speak Arabic?
Diversity is one thing that shapes the worldwide Ummah, let’s keep it that way homie.
re: #136 HappyWarrior
People are always amazed that I’ve never seen the entirety of the original Star Wars trilogy and Lord of the Rings. i get a lot of weird looks for that and hey you there don’t look at me like that! But a lot of them have never seen the original Day of the Jackal or The Conversation.
You haven’t seen the original Star Wars trilogy?! Don’t make take your nerd card!
Of course, I shouldn’t talk, I thought the LOTR trilogy was beyond boring.
re: #136 HappyWarrior
People are always amazed that I’ve never seen the entirety of the original Star Wars trilogy and Lord of the Rings. i get a lot of weird looks for that and hey you there don’t look at me like that! But a lot of them have never seen the original Day of the Jackal or The Conversation.
I haven’t seen all of the Star Wars trilogy nor the Lord of the Rings, nor have I seen Day of the Jackal and The Conversation. LOL.
re: #130 HappyWarrior
Annettte Benning and Denzel Washington I think. I think I saw it in theaters in Georgetown. Why I remember that, I don’t know. I have a weird memory.
I saw it with my spouse in the theatre. We had weird tastes on date movies.
Our favorite date movie was Elizabeth with Cate Blanchett.
Soon twitter will have thousands of Muslims in New Jersey dancing over the mass deaths in San Bernardino.
re: #141 Kryptik
I don’t know about Norway specifically, but wasn’t there a high-profile torching of a refugee camp in Sweden?
I think that was fake. The photos were recycled from Nederlands or somewhere.
re: #39 Pawn of the Oppressor
There was a link in last thread where you could see three people by that name working for the State of California. It even had a breakdown of his pay and how much of it was benefits. The reports he filed were dated up to a couple of weeks ago.
Him showing up at the party and then leaving fits as last-minute reconnaissance. If his brother was involved and this really was a family thing, it could be radicalization at work.
I hate this stuff, not just because it’s awful, but because my analytical mind can’t switch off and until there’s a motive announced it’s hard for me to let the problem go. I’m not a “Stuff Happens” guy, so I guess no Presidential run for me!
Here is the California database for govt. employees with all the Farooks there are—goes through 2014.
The Daily Beast had the wrong one (sorry if this has already been pointed out—I’m trying to catch up)
And Tony Shaloub as Washington’s Muslim-American partner, who ends up a much needed viewpoint character for the paranoia that results.
The character was also a Lebanese Shi’a partner too.
re: #136 HappyWarrior
People are always amazed that I’ve never seen the entirety of the original Star Wars trilogy and Lord of the Rings. i get a lot of weird looks for that and hey you there don’t look at me like that! But a lot of them have never seen the original Day of the Jackal or The Conversation.
You’re dead to be. Be gone!
re: #143 Timothy Watson
You haven’t seen the original Star Wars trilogy?! Don’t make take your nerd card!
Of course, I shouldn’t talk, I thought the LOTR trilogy was beyond boring.
My nerd card has been taken away so many times. I don’t care. I brand myself as the different kind of nerd who can read Yeats with a buzz.
Soon twidiots will have thousands of Muslims in New Jersey dancing over the news of mass murders in San Bernardino.
— free token (@freetoken) December 3, 2015
re: #140 freetoken
Here’s your Trump supporters:
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But Snowden told us metadata collection was teh gubmint ebilness!!!
re: #98 No Depression
The scary thing is that Daesh probably knows this too.
I think you’re right. The Deash could instigate a terrorist incident at that time and create absolute turmoil in the US. Yes, we’ll then bomb the crap out of each and everyone of the mid-eastern countries and wind up assisting Daesh in their complete take over of the region.
re: #146 freetoken
Soon twitter will have thousands of Muslims in New Jersey dancing over the mass deaths in San Bernardino.
Donald Trump saw them when he was in Manasshole!
re: #151 HappyWarrior
My nerd card has been taken away so many times. I don’t care. I brand myself as the different kind of nerd who can read Yeats with a buzz.
Why should not old nerds be mad?
Next police presser is supposed to include someone from CAIR.
re: #147 Decatur Deb
I think that was fake. The photos were recycled from Nederlands or somewhere.
Ah, my bad then. There you go.
re: #149 electrotek
The character was also a Lebanese Shi’a partner too.
Yeah, I don’t remember his exact origin because it was so long since I watched the movie, but I remember do remember Shaloub’s character’s genuine anguish when…well…not going to go too indepth if people are going in blind into the movie now.
Got to get the kids to bed and then myself. Good night, all, and let’s hope for a better day tomorrow.
re: #158 Kryptik
Ah, my bad then. There you go.
Yeah, I don’t remember his exact origin because it was so long since I watched the movie, but I remember do remember Shaloub’s character’s genuine anguish when…well…not going to go too indepth if people are going in blind into the movie now.
Eh, the 24 hour rule has long been gone.
re: #142 electrotek
It’s weird. Because I am discarding the American parts, at least to a point, but picking up parts from my ancestral nations of Europe in response.
I aim to have a fused household, merging 2 different identities.
A European-American one, and probably a Pakistani-American one.
re: #145 Aunty Entity Dragon
I saw it with my spouse in the theatre. We had weird tastes on date movies.
Our favorite date movie was Elizabeth with Cate Blanchett.
Anything goes heh. Didn’t Cate get an Oscar nomination for that? And speaking of Queen Elizabeth, it’s weird to say as a small letter r, republican but I always hated what she did to her cousin Mary, Queen of Scots. Dunno why but I always felt some sympathy for MQoS.
re: #156 Decatur Deb
Why should not old nerds be mad?
hell they should be glad. That’s one less person they’ll have to fight for a seat when the new Star Wars comes out.
some good news:
Parts of California’s Sierra Nevada could see up to a foot of snow by Friday morning! #cawx pic.twitter.com/w7Oy80CXWV
— WeatherNation (@WeatherNation) December 3, 2015
re: #140 freetoken
Here’s your Trump supporters:
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lolwhut
The NSA had to end metadata collection under the “USA Freedom Act”, which was passed by a GOP controlled Congress. It’s folks like Rand Paul who opposed metadata collection.
re: #15 Pawn of the Oppressor
I always think of The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street, from Twilight Zone.
“What kind of ‘radio set’ you workin’ on? I never seen it. Neither has anyone else. Who you talk to on that radio set? And who talks to you?”
re: #166 jonhendry
I always think of The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street, from Twilight Zone.
“What kind of ‘radio set’ you workin’ on? I never seen it. Neither has anyone else. Who you talk to on that radio set? And who talks to you?”
I remember reading a play version of that in 7th grade. I finally saw the actual Twilight Zone episode since TZ has episodes on Netlfix. I think Serling intended for it to be about McCarthyism but as so much of that show and I think that’s part of why it endears even a half century after the original show went off the air is that the themes are universal and timeless.
30 minutes to bedtime for me, then off to bed.
I don’t know bout anyone else, but there seems to still be some confusion about this Farook suspect, but I guess it’s been confirmed?
My question: why haven’t they released the name of the female suspect also?
Anyhoo, gonna wind down now for bed, hopefully in the morning someone will have a nice recap/wrap up of confirmed facts.
Night BJ.
re: #166 jonhendry
I always think of The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street, from Twilight Zone.
“What kind of ‘radio set’ you workin’ on? I never seen it. Neither has anyone else. Who you talk to on that radio set? And who talks to you?”
Both the original and the remake seem prescient, until you realize it’s just history rhyming same as always….
The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices — to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill — and suspicion can destroy — and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own — for the children — and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is — that these things cannot be confined — to the Twilight Zone.
That’s the most chilling line I can ever think of from a TZ episode.
re: #144 Sionainn
I haven’t seen all of the Star Wars trilogy nor the Lord of the Rings, nor have I seen Day of the Jackal and The Conversation. LOL.
The Conversation is that other film that the guy who played Fredo was in that wasn’t the Godfather I & II, Dog Day, and Deer Hunter heh. It’s underrated IMO. Hackman’s good in it and I think young Harrison Ford has a role oto.
re: #115 The War TARDIS
My French Friend recommended Australia to me too.
That is also a non-starter.
If Pakistan could get its act together and stop meandering in the wilderness, I would very seriously consider Pakistan too. But Pakistan is having huge, but solvable issues, if the old families and famous idiots could let competent people give a shot at this.
How about Bali? 13% Muslim.
re: #161 The War TARDIS
And, I have a lot of places to choose new traditions from.
Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England, France, the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Ukraine.
And various mixtures of them too.
America, man. https://t.co/heYbqrd6Je pic.twitter.com/J4hNBAgXmd
— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) December 3, 2015
re: #161 The War TARDIS
It’s weird. Because I am discarding the American parts, at least to a point, but picking up parts from my ancestral nations of Europe in response.
I aim to have a fused household, merging 2 different identities.
A European-American one, and probably a Pakistani-American one.
Dude, unless you were born and raised in Pakistan, you’re not Pakistani.
Seriously man, enough with the inferiority complex. Stick with your cultural and ancestral origins bro. Islam isn’t an Arab or Pakistani faith; it is a faith for all, regardless of any constraints.
re: #171 jonhendry
How about Bali? 13% Muslim.
They’ll probably think he’s some Aussie backpacker so he’s safe in Bali.
Personally, I’d rather go to Japan as far as industrialized nations go, if shit got real here in the states.
re: #163 HappyWarrior
hell they should be glad. That’s one less person they’ll have to fight for a seat when the new Star Wars comes out.
I won’t have to fight anyone. Reserved seating. ;)
re: #172 The War TARDIS
And Switerland and Austria. Forgot about them.
It can be hard to remember all 14-16 nations, depending on how you count.
Plus the very tiny, but genetically detectable amount of Pakistani. so 17 nations.
re: #174 electrotek
I am talking about Family stuff, in the future.
I like planning things out ahead of time.
Though the horse is still a pony, and the cart a tree.
re: #174 electrotek
Dude, unless you were born and raised in Pakistan, you’re not Pakistani.
Seriously man, enough with the inferiority complex. Stick with your cultural and ancestral origins bro. Islam isn’t an Arab or Pakistani faith; it is a faith for all, regardless of any constraints.
(Bet he’s talking about a gurrrl.)
“I’m estranged from my son… *But I know his daily prayer schedule.” pic.twitter.com/WBXmLL15BG
— Imraan Siddiqi (@imraansiddiqi) December 3, 2015
re: #180 Decatur Deb
(Bet he’s talking about a gurrrl.)
Oh man, I really hope not.
re: #162 HappyWarrior
Anything goes heh. Didn’t Cate get an Oscar nomination for that? And speaking of Queen Elizabeth, it’s weird to say as a small letter r, republican but I always hated what she did to her cousin Mary, Queen of Scots. Dunno why but I always felt some sympathy for MQoS.
Agreed. My paper on that subject is available here:
academia.edu
The visuals in the movie were amazing and I analyzed the final ten minutes of the movie in terms of shot construction and camera placement for a film class.
As actual facts about these two mass murderers come out, just remember that much of the media spent the day demonizing Prayer and the NRA…
— Buck Sexton (@BuckSexton) December 3, 2015
Yes, DEMONIZING.
Man it’s hard not to be a misanthrope these days.
lol @ demonizing, they sure love to act like a victim when it suits them
Time for a break from reality
Be-leaf in yourself. https://t.co/giVhSMo4Ij pic.twitter.com/yQIToUeNh3
— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) December 3, 2015
@GeorgeTakei puff the magic dragon leaves by the sea
— FormerDirtDart (@FormerDirtDart) December 3, 2015
This thread needs some smiles. Here’s my pup a few years back- Alaskan Husky rescue. (All of my images now are too big/too timely to resize).
re: #185 No Depression
Man it’s hard not to be a misanthrope these days.
Easier if you start with low expectations.
re: #184 bratwurst
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Yes, DEMONIZING.
Who the hell was demonizing prayer? People were saying that politicians who offer prayer should actually do something. And listen fuckwad, the NRA deserves the crap they get when they actually do demonize the victims of these crimes like they did Pastor Pinckney in South Carolina who they bitched at for supporting a ban on guns in churches of have you forgotten that too Benny Boy? As far as I’m concerned the NRA deserves all teh hate they get because they’re a hate group pretty much at this point.
I’m gonna head off to curl up under the duvet with dogs and kittehs.
Your mind, body, heart heals. Wounds heal. Happiness is always going to come back…. Bad times don’t last… pic.twitter.com/jSq3HuV9Tr
— MyPassion, MyDreams (@PassionsNDreams) December 2, 2015
niterz, lizardz!
And big hugs all around.
re: #188 Blizard
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This thread needs some smiles. Here’s my pup a few years back- Alaskan Husky rescue. (All of my images now are too big/too timely to resize).
Because we all need some uppers, here’s an entire 450 picture imgur album of cute dogs. Linked it before, but holy shit, is it even more necessary now.
EDIT: Alright, not 500 pics like I said earlier, but whatever.
re: #188 Blizard
This thread needs some smiles. Here’s my pup a few years back- Alaskan Husky rescue. (All of my images now are too big/too timely to resize).
What a doll! Love his expression. And those gorgeous eyes!
re: #184 bratwurst
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Yes, DEMONIZING.
Even if this is an actual act of Islamist terrorism, it does not let the NRA and politicians that substitute prayer for action off the hook. The wide availability of guns and lack of regulations makes it far too easy for malevolent people to destroy lives, regardless of their motives.
re: #183 Aunty Entity Dragon
Agreed. My paper on that subject is available here:
academia.eduThe visuals in the movie were amazing and I analyzed the final ten minutes of the movie in terms of shot construction and camera placement for a film class.
That sounds like an interesting read. I think I got that impression by the way from watching Simon Schama’a excellent History of Britain. I’m fascinated by British history.
Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?
re: #175 electrotek
They’ll probably think he’s some Aussie backpacker so he’s safe in Bali.
Yeah, lots of Anglosphere tourists to blend in with. Possibly more risk of being accused of being a sex tourist than a terrorist. Probably a nice place for a chill Muslim to live.
Teaching English could be a source of income if nothing else is available.
re: #193 WhatEVs
Thank you! That’s my boy. He’s 11.5 y/o now, about 7 in that pic I think. He talks a lot!
re: #194 No Depression
Even if this is an actual act of Islamist terrorism, it does not let the NRA and politicians that substitute prayer for action off the hook. The wide availability of guns and the lack of regulations makes it far too easy for malevolent people to destroy lives, regardless of their motives.
And here’s another thing the NRA which he cries about being demonized actually does demonize people. How many times do they demonize people who don’t like guns who get shot. Lots of crap about it’s their own fault for being armed. Let me put it ot you this way. I hate the NRA but if the NRA’s convention got shot up, I’d be genuinely horrified and I wouldn’t say they deserve what they got like a NRA spokesman in fact did say for Pastor Pinckney. The NRA and its supporters have no room at all to complain about demonetization at all.
re: #196 worldknot
Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?
I think you mean the entire Bill of Rights.
And the Colorado PP terrorist no doubt is thanking his stars- not much attention on him from our ‘impartial’ press!
re: #196 worldknot
Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?
There’s an unspoken assumption that basic respect and courtesy doesn’t apply to Muslims (or anyone non-white). The 2nd Amendment part is just part and parcel of not treating them like they’re allowed to be Americans to begin with.
Y’all probably think I was exaggerating about the thousands of dancing Muslims in NJ thing… but twitter is already here:
Devout muslim #terrorist enjoyed reading DAESH magazine ‘Dabiq’ #SanBernadino upset over Crusader Christmas celebration at work.
— MAIKERU Rodriguez (@mroffroad) December 3, 2015
re: #196 worldknot
Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?
It doesn’t apply to brown people period.
re: #196 worldknot
Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?
Heh. Among the RWNJ’s, there’s definitely a belief that the First Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims as they define Islam as a political ideology, not a religion (a fatuous argument, to be sure).
Yet in so doing, they completely ignore the fact the First Amendment covers political ideologies as well - which is why there are neo-Nazis, Trotskyites, etc.
re: #190 HappyWarrior
Yes, to citizens, they offer prayers. To the NRA, they offer legislation. Odd they don’t just offer the NRA prayers too.
re: #204 freetoken
Y’all probably think I was exaggerating about the thousands of dancing Muslims in NJ thing… but twitter is already here:
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Hadn’t he been working there well over a year? I doubt Christmas being celebrated set him off.
re: #206 Dr Lizardo
Heh. Among the RWNJ’s, there’s definitely a belief that the First Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims as they define Islam as political ideology, not a religion (a fatuous argument, to be sure).
Yet in so doing, they completely ignore the fact the First Amendment covers political ideologies as well - which is why there are neo-Nazis, Trotskyites, etc.
Well let’s be fair, a lot of them do want to ban the CP too. But yeah they don’t think Muslims have constitutional rights.
re: #198 jonhendry
Yeah, lots of Anglosphere tourists to blend in with. Possibly more risk of being accused of being a sex tourist than a terrorist. Probably a nice place for a chill Muslim to live.
Teaching English could be a source of income if nothing else is available.
There was a point where Balinese didn’t like Muslims and would have not hesitated to secede from Indonesia, but of course that was right after the terrorist attacks in October 12, 2002 and October 5, 2005.
The Sacramento Bee’s editorial cartoon https://t.co/BiloOsWOX0 pic.twitter.com/xGhwopC9Lv
— Brandon Wall (@Walldo) December 3, 2015
re: #210 electrotek
There was a point where Balinese didn’t like Muslims and would have not hesitated to secede from Indonesia, but of course that was right after the terrorist attacks in October 12, 2002 and October 5, 2005.
I remember reading about Burma being pretty bad. I was really sad to see that Aung San Suu Kyi espousing some of that rhetoric. Speaking of which, she’s in the news.
telegraph.co.uk
Opportune marketing:
I’ll be addressing the importance of prayer and the #SanBernadino shootings on @foxandfriends at 7:50am CT tomorrow morning. #prayforit
— Dr. Robert Jeffress (@robertjeffress) December 3, 2015
re: #210 electrotek
Yeah, there’s definitely some sectarian strife there and elsewhere in Indonesia. I’m not sure how a Balinese Christian would recognize a Balinese person as being Muslim, but hopefully an expat American wouldn’t fit that model and avoid trouble.
re: #195 HappyWarrior
That sounds like an interesting read. I think I got that impression by the way from watching Simon Schama’a excellent History of Britain. I’m fascinated by British history.
Have at it. I posted it for a reason (although nearly all the traffic I get is for my thesis on the French Revolution and Robespierre.)
OK, I’m going to binge watch some episodes from season 2 of The Office.
I think 9 hrs of massacre news coverage is enough for the day
@robertjeffress @foxandfriends Piss off you opportunistic charlatan
— Danial J دانیال ج (@danja84) December 3, 2015
re: #215 Aunty Entity Dragon
Have at it. I posted it for a reason (although nearly all the traffic I get is for my thesis on the French Revolution and Robespierre.)
I can just use my Gmail account to sign into access it or do I need to create an account?
re: #214 jonhendry
Yeah, there’s definitely some sectarian strife there and elsewhere in Indonesia. I’m not sure how a Balinese Christian would recognize a Balinese person as being Muslim, but hopefully an expat American wouldn’t fit that model and avoid trouble.
Not sure if there’s such a thing as a Christian in Bali since majority of the island is Hindu.
Most of the Christians live either in East Timor or in the Sulawesi Islands, with scattered populations throughout Java and Sumatra.
re: #196 worldknot
Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?
You’re not imagining things at all. The Constitution is only for White People.
Years ago, “gun rights advocates” would occasionally propose that restrictions on gun ownership made it harder for poor people and women living alone to defend themselves. Brave ones with academic pretense would note that black people in “bad areas” might want to defend themselves too.
I haven’t heard that argument made anywhere since Obama was elected.
re: #212 HappyWarrior
I kind of suspect it shows that Aung San Suu Kyi’s freedom isn’t all that secure. By not doing the Right Thing about the Muslim minority, perhaps she’s basically saying “I did my time, and then some, now it’s someone else’s turn to be the Burmese civil rights leader”.
#SanBernadino police just released the name of one suspect as Tayyeep Bin Ardogan, a 28 year-old Qatari citizen.
— Rick Serrano (@RickSerranoLAT) December 3, 2015
re: #218 HappyWarrior
I can just use my Gmail account to sign into access it or do I need to create an account?
Not sure, although I think you can sign in with FB.
re: #211 teleskiguy
Eclectic Cyborg posted a link to something eerily similar after the Planned Parenthood shooting:
I think Jesus has some stern words for the GOP:
James 2:14-17
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
re: #224 Aunty Entity Dragon
Not sure, although I think you can sign in with FB.
Nah I’m good. I just started reading this. Interesting. If I can find some place to host my term paper on the pogroms in Russia, I’d love to share it with you and the other Lizards. I wrote it around the time the wohle “Ground Zero” mosque was a controversial thing and a lot of the rhetoric directed at Muslims then as now reminded me of late 19th/early 20th century antisemitism in Russia especially. Fortunately we haven’t gotten that bad yet where scores of Muslims have to leave their homes for a new country like the Russian Jews did.
re: #223 danarchy
well shit.
Says the guy who inspired a child-killing terrorist:
Father of San Bernardino shooting suspect says he’s “very religious” Muslim https://t.co/Jhs9I8QPpj
— Robert Spencer (@jihadwatchRS) December 3, 2015
re: #229 electrotek
Says the guy who inspired a child-killing terrorist:
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It was a very religious Christian who shot up Planned PArenthood just last week. You advocating for all Christians to be treated like shit Bobby-Boo? Or dod you just save that crap for Muslims.
re: #223 danarchy
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The freeper crowd on twitter have gone full metal krystalnacht.
If anybody from Syria thought they had a chance to come to the “land of the free and home of the brave”, well…
re: #229 electrotek
Lots of people tweeting that sentence… but they always leave out the part where the father said he has been estranged from his son for some time.
@jihadwatchRS Ironic coming from the man who was cited prominently in a Norwegian anti-Muslim child killing terrorist’s manifesto many times
— Danial J دانیال ج (@danja84) December 3, 2015
re: #235 Aunty Entity Dragon
Don’t look at twitter. Don’t get off the boat.
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It’s times like these where I am glad I do not tweet and also stopped following my cousin the Islamaphobe on FB.
re: #219 electrotek
I think Bali is about 2% Christian… Overall Indonesia is about 9% Christian I think. Probably enough in Bali for there to be some carry-over from elsewhere.
Either way though, being a Muslim in Japan is still preferable to being a Muslim in a Western country.
re: #239 electrotek
Either way though, being a Muslim in Japan is still preferable to being a Muslim in a Western country.
The problem in Japan is if you are Ainu or Korean.
re: #25 Desmond
Klys, first we need to wait and make sure the info is correct, but if it’s workplace violence, one doesn’t usually bring along two friends with automatic weapons and explosive devices.
Usually. Not usually well pre planned either.
re: #237 HappyWarrior
Likewise. I only tweet funny stuff or work-related things. I quit FB 3 months ago and am quite content without it, even when I originally kept family member’s crazy posts from popping up in my feed. I just don’t need to know that stuff anymore. I have seen enough.
re: #240 Aunty Entity Dragon
The problem in Japan is if you are Ainu or Korean.
Or Chinese or Nigerian. But then again with the case of Nigerians in Japan, they really have only themselves to blame for their horrid reputation stemming from their role as touts in Tokyo’s seedy nightlife.
re: #240 Aunty Entity Dragon
The problem in Japan is if you are Ainu or Korean.
I think that’s the damndest thing. Some groups get off fine in one place but others treated like crap. From what a lot of the anti-immigration rhetoric in the UK is not just directed at Indians and Africans but also people from Eastern Europe. I remember Gordon Brown got in some heat because he called an old woman a bigot who was fearmongreling about the Poles. Now it probably wasn’t the most diplomatic thing to say but I agreed with the PM.
Conspiracy nuts really coming out in force now on twitter, over the SB shooting.
This is America.
And this is why Donald Trump is the most popular person running for President.
Anchors en route to #SanBernardino: Lauer, Cuomo, Robach, O’Donnell, Holt, Muir, others https://t.co/wEw5uwE345
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) December 3, 2015
That will help. https://t.co/xq5nqlLwHk
— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) December 3, 2015
re: #244 electrotek
… stemming from their role as touts in Tokyo’s seedy nightlife.
What would nightlife be if it weren’t seedy?
re: #242 Blizard
Likewise. I only tweet funny stuff or work-related things. I quit FB 3 months ago and am quite content without it, even when I originally kept family member’s crazy posts from popping up in my feed. I just don’t need to know that stuff anymore. I have seen enough.
Facebook actually has been very good to me. I’ve gotten to know some cousins I otherwise would not know since I started a family history group.
re: #246 freetoken
Conspiracy nuts really coming out in force now on twitter, over the SB shooting.
This is America.
And this is why Donald Trump is the most popular person running for President.
Hell, Trump will prolly be polling at close to 50% (maybe even a little over it) by this time next week.
@ThirtyBirdy Doesn’t seem to fit the template of the Islamist radical. There’s a story here that we don’t know yet.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 3, 2015
re: #247 Charles Johnson
The tragedy will be milked for every penny it can generate.
re: #227 HappyWarrior
Nah I’m good. I just started reading this. Interesting. If I can find some place to host my term paper on the pogroms in Russia, I’d love to share it with you and the other Lizards. I wrote it around the time the wohle “Ground Zero” mosque was a controversial thing and a lot of the rhetoric directed at Muslims then as now reminded me of late 19th/early 20th century antisemitism in Russia especially. Fortunately we haven’t gotten that bad yet where scores of Muslims have to leave their homes for a new country like the Russian Jews did.
Upload to scribd.com. It’s free.
re: #251 Dr Lizardo
I conjectured earlier that 50% might be too low…
re: #251 Dr Lizardo
Hell, Trump will prolly be polling at close to 50% (maybe even a little over it) by this time next week.
It looks more and more likely he could be nominated daily.
re: #257 HappyWarrior
It looks more and more likely he could be nominated daily.
What really scares me is a Trump/Cruz ticket…
re: #250 HappyWarrior
Yeah I still keep in touch with many family and old friends, just not on social media anymore. Back to old school. I like it.
I was thankful at first to reconnect with so many, but after awhile, the novelty wore off for more than a few.
re: #255 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Upload to scribd.com. It’s free.
Cool I’ll do that. It’s a long read let me warn you in advance so crack open a nice cold one or two when you read it heh. I’m very proud of it though. I pretty much spend every day of my final semester working on it some way whether it was writing, getting the proper books, finding journal articles, re-reading, etc.
re: #242 Blizard
What’s your Twitter handle? We can give each other skiing updates!
Here’s mine: @teleskiguy
re: #258 Joe Bacon
What really scares me is a Trump/Cruz ticket…
They do seem to like each other quite a bit.
re: #236 Eric The Fruit Bat
That was AWSUMLY AWESOME! Thank you!
re: #262 Dr Lizardo
I don’t even know where I could go. :’(
re: #260 HappyWarrior
Let us know when you do; I’d like to read it. Sounds interesting.
re: #258 Joe Bacon
What really scares me is a Trump/Cruz ticket…
Oh fuck me RT @QuorumCall Ted Cruz on Immigration: I’ll Appoint Trump to Build the Wall When I’m Elected https://t.co/fAkI18mYYa @SenTedCruz
— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) December 3, 2015
re: #262 Dr Lizardo
I’ve joked that if Trump ends up as POTUS come next year, I’m applying for political asylum on the grounds that my fellow Americans have gone violently insane.
That usually gets quite a few chuckles. In any event, I’m a permanent resident here.
Ha, i’ve actually got some cousins who already live abroad. Not because of politics but because their spouses are Brits and they both wanted that adventure. My one cousin just celebrated her 19th year living in the UK. It’s crazy. Feels like just yesterday we met her and her then fiance at the airport. And today they have teenage daughters. One whom will be entering the UK’s university system in a couple years. It’s funny both of them have sort of adopted British accents and definitely use British spelling and slang. Awesome people the whole lot of them.
Typical:
*SYED FAROOK Identified as One of the Suspects in San Bernardino,CA, Mass Attack-a terrorist attack thanks to Obama who wants Americans dead
— Richard Bleuze (@247wagering) December 3, 2015
re: #266 Dr Lizardo
Let us know when you do; I’d like to read it. Sounds interesting.
I’ll do it right now actually, why not.
re: #269 freetoken
*SYED FAROOK Identified as One of the Suspects in San Bernardino,CA, Mass Attack-a terrorist attack thanks to Obama who wants Americans dead
Christ, I’m done. I’m just done.
I need to just sleep the rest of the entire week away at this point.
re: #269 freetoken
I have already resigned myself to the fact that their will be a major anti-Muslim attack before the year is out.
I just hope my friends are not the one hurt.
re: #269 freetoken
Richard is himself a terrorist. Or at least an asshole. Somewhere on the Asshole<->Terrorist Spectrum.
re: #252 Charles Johnson
The whole thing does’t add up. If it’s terrorism, why attack such an obscure target when L.A. is so close (imagine the impact of an attack on Hollywood blvd for instance). If it’s workplace violence, then how did he get two others to join in? There’s something really off about the whole thing.
re: #276 Ace-o-aces
What about a hybrid of both?
The whole thing does’t add up. If it’s terrorism, why attack such an obscure target when L.A. is so close (imagine the impact of an attack on Hollywood blvd for instance). If it’s workplace violence, then how did he get two others to join in? There’s something really off about the whole thing.
Holy shit can you imagine an attack like this occurring at Rodeo Drive or Sunset Blvd? Or at Griffith Observatory or Venice Beach? We can’t forget that Da’esh are essentially a bunch of attention whores and they would love to use those high-profile locations for greater exposure as was the case in Paris.
re: #276 Ace-o-aces
The whole thing does’t add up. If it’s terrorism, why attack such an obscure target when L.A. is so close (imagine the impact of an attack on Hollywood blvd for instance). If it’s workplace violence, then how did he get two others to join in? There’s something really off about the whole thing.
Yeah there’s definitely something missing.
@RockyBilly40cal Well, that was asinine.
— free token (@freetoken) December 3, 2015
re: #277 The War TARDIS
What about a hybrid of both?
“OK, so I’ll strike a blow against the Zionist crusaders and get my revenge on Susan from H.R. who never refills the coffee pot when she’s done!”
Syed Farook’s Facebook page. He also went by “Raheel.”
No sign of Islamist radicalism here - quite the opposite, in fact.
re: #276 Ace-o-aces
The whole thing does’t add up. If it’s terrorism, why attack such an obscure target when L.A. is so close (imagine the impact of an attack on Hollywood blvd for instance). If it’s workplace violence, then how did he get two others to join in? There’s something really off about the whole thing.
Details, details. It was the Muslims. The hive mind has spoken.
re: #282 Charles Johnson
Syed Farook’s Facebook page. He also went by “Raheel.”
No sign of Islamist radicalism here - quite the opposite, in fact.
I think it was deleted not long after you posted that.
@TheKellyWeber @GaryMayer53 @brittaufait @markos @owillis Gun Control at a state level is worthless, has to be national
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) December 3, 2015
Because all gun sales are thru licensed dealers and never private sales. GTFO @TheKellyWeber @GaryMayer53 @brittaufait @markos @owillis
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) December 3, 2015
Sick and tired of ignorant gunfuckers ignoring how easy it is to buy a weapon and cross state lines #gunsense
— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) December 3, 2015
re: #286 Kragar
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The mistake made is that our states should operate like mini countries. Obviously there are some stuff that states should handle but alot needs to be federal. Gun laws are definitely one of those things.
SB police clarifying that 2nd name was not released by them. Appears now to be a hoax. We are disregarding.
— Rick Serrano (@RickSerranoLAT) December 3, 2015
re: #288 Stanley Sea Toujours
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LOL
You would be kicked out of Qatar for having that name. There’s not even a “P” there. pic.twitter.com/V6iCpHpfUO
— Imraan Siddiqi (@imraansiddiqi) December 3, 2015
True story, there’s no fucking P in Arabic. Jesus Christ
re: #277 The War TARDIS
Here is a scenario.
Guy get canned. In doing so, he starts to radicalize, and finds others thatt are like-minded. They decide out of some delusion that the Department needs to be punished for firing him.
m27DiaTG9Nsz9RXl3jGKwnMXU4I3nBAPaAYP1EJ96QeGhpaHu0VkvlZAqlBsVnyXnXMefbmYBzPB6PGirizwuknILdsUbNx6WZ7ZZ/qfewUwi12x0hhSGuYFqKh6bpX0fmVik/48zAWFWpptWc+LnHEwg00jg71ooFsZOU2r24W41uVzhth48OfrCTSci/p//tWA+4jBIsaEtmxkVOb7QKlNgnFRxiW0C7OzAZ79M+dYjnJ4SLkSUrhbtN2HUc5sjsZu3E2voCysCoIO1CoIoRscl/mxq410WA/eQl4WccEASETomW4iLm5/1yIi1REzUlNGzIorkEUB3L7vfGjU6g==
Something looks suspicious, @RickSerranoLAT… #sanbernardino pic.twitter.com/Ml3UYFnfda
— Andrew Peng (@TheAPJournalist) December 3, 2015
re: #289 electrotek
LOL
True story, there’s no fucking P in Arabic. Jesus Christ
Tayyip Ardogan sounds more Turkish than Arabic, IMO.
re: #290 The War TARDIS
That’s my guess as well. Or his friend was the one to radicalize him after he was fired.
“Let’s get revenge!!!”
I’m sure Bill Maher’s going to be extra obnoxious on Friday night.
re: #289 electrotek
How the fuck did I miss that?
I know Arabic doesn’t have a P. How did I not realize that.
Muslims are still quicker to condemn this than Republicans were in condemning the Planned Parenthood attack:
CAIR spokesman: “On behalf of the American-Muslim community […] we unequivocably condemn this horrific act” pic.twitter.com/lSvO9Aawh9
— BuzzFeed News (@BuzzFeedNews) December 3, 2015
re: #285 HappyWarrior
I think it was deleted not long after you posted that.
Weird… I looked at it just seconds before posting the link here.
It was just photos of his wife and daughter, everybody smiling and looking totally happy. No signs of radicalization at all.
re: #287 HappyWarrior
It comes as no surprise that Justice Scalia also said that state and local officials who are not actual parties to Supreme Court cases have no obligation to obey judicial rulings that those officials think lack a warrant in the text or original understanding of the Constitution.
He cited Abraham Lincoln’s remark concerning the infamous Dred Scott ruling that decisions by the Supreme Court are formally binding only on the parties to the case. That’s technically true, but few Americans will agree with Justice Scalia that Obergefell, which conferred rights on millions of Americans, is comparable to Dred Scott, which denied rights to millions by ruling that slaves were not citizens and could not sue in federal courts.
And can Justice Scalia want his own decisions to have diminished and perhaps negligible force until separate lawsuits are brought in each state to enforce them? That implies that state and local officials are free to ignore his gun-friendly decision in District of Columbia v. Heller (holding that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to own a gun). Perhaps a few state and local officials will take Justice Scalia up on that offer.
re: #289 electrotek
OK, I laughed. Kicked out for having the wrong letter in your name…
Customs official: “Name…”
Guy: “Tayeep.”
Customs official: *looks up* “Come again?”
“Tayeep. With a P.”
Customs official: “You must leave. Immediately. Get in that line over there. BE GONE!” *points to line of sullen-looking people by the exit*
(Tayeep goes to the line. People in the queue introduce themselves)
“You too, huh? Hi. I’m Phil. This is Paul, and Pamela, and…”
re: #282 Charles Johnson
Syed Farook’s Facebook page. He also went by “Raheel.”
No sign of Islamist radicalism here - quite the opposite, in fact.
Page looks like it was pulled. What was on it?
re: #296 The War TARDIS
How the fuck did I miss that?
I know Arabic doesn’t have a P. How did I not realize that.
It’s late heh. Besides you’re not a native Arabic speaker. But it’s cool that someone did notice that.
re: #297 electrotek
The Muslim Community in the US is much quicker to respond than other Muslim communities around the world to stupid horse-shit.
Won’t help with the 50+% of the US that are mouth-breathing idiots though.
re: #300 Pawn of the Oppressor
OK, I laughed. Kicked out for having the wrong letter in your name…
Customs official: “Name…”
Guy: “Tayeep.”
Customs official: *looks up* “Come again?”
“Tayeep. With a P.”
Customs official: “You must leave. Immediately. Get in that line over there. BE GONE!” *points to line of sullen-looking people by the exit*
(Tayeep goes to the line. People in the queue introduce themselves)
“You too, huh? Hi. I’m Phil. This is Paul, and Pamela, and…”
Poor Phyillis. She really wanted to go to Qatar bad.
re: #290 The War TARDIS
Here is a scenario.
Guy get canned. In doing so, he starts to radicalize, and finds others thatt are like-minded. They decide out of some delusion that the Department needs to be punished for firing him.
re: #294 GlutenFreeJesus
That’s my guess as well. Or his friend was the one to radicalize him after he was fired.
“Let’s get revenge!!!”
If, as several stories have mentioned, he was at the party and then left, why do you assume he was fired?
re: #299 Eric The Fruit Bat
Scalia is such a scoundrel. No ethics at all. It sickens me that he’s considered a model of what a Supreme Court judge should be. I may take Rehnquist over him, Scalia is that much of a hypocrite.
re: #304 HappyWarrior
Poor Phyillis. She really wanted to go to Qatar bad.
“Welcome to Qatar. There is no P here. So if you have to go to the bathroom, better do it now!”
(everybody looks upset)
“Haha, that’s just a little Immigration joke… Restrooms will be on your left as you exit the terminal…”
Catching up on the twitters. Tone seems different now that there’s a name. Certain folks seem overjoyed about this turn of events. Gross.
— Dennis Mersereau (@wxdam) December 3, 2015
re: #293 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Tayyip Ardogan sounds more Turkish than Arabic, IMO.
Heh, probably because Tayip Erdogan is the president of turkey :)
“I’ve been shot three times, Dad. I’m in pain. Don’t worry. There’s a policeman with me.” https://t.co/wc00RNs1V3 #SanBernardino
— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) December 3, 2015
re: #306 HappyWarrior
He probably wears one of those Opus Dei pain-inducing chalices under his robes in session….
re: #300 Pawn of the Oppressor
OK, I laughed. Kicked out for having the wrong letter in your name…
Customs official: “Name…”
Guy: “Tayeep.”
Customs official: *looks up* “Come again?”
“Tayeep. With a P.”
Customs official: “You must leave. Immediately. Get in that line over there. BE GONE!” *points to line of sullen-looking people by the exit*
(Tayeep goes to the line. People in the queue introduce themselves)
“You too, huh? Hi. I’m Phil. This is Paul, and Pamela, and…”
All right, all you P folks, go over there and form a line! We don’t cotton to P folks around these pa — this area.
Sayed Farook’s brother-in-law: “I have no idea. No idea why would he do that? Why would he do something like that?”
— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) December 3, 2015
Extraordinary moment at presser when suspect’s brother-in-law looks at pics circulated online and says those pics AREN’T him. A brother.
— Andy Carvin (@acarvin) December 3, 2015
re: #311 Eric The Fruit Bat
He probably wears one of those Opus Dei pain-inducing chalices under his robes in session….
Probably. I can’t stand how arrogant he is. I hate his whole philosophy because it’s arrogant. Who the fuck are you to think you can definitely say what the founders woul want in 21st century America.
re: #309 danarchy
Heh, probably because Tayip Erdogan is the president of turkey :)
Oh, well, yeah. … I knew that. {Looks sheepishly at floor.}
“And all of you folks from Ennsylvania, well, you’re SOL. Have a nice time back in Ittsburg and Hiladehia!”
“And if you want an izza, otato, or asta, you won’t find any here.”
re: #25 Desmond
Klys, first we need to wait and make sure the info is correct, but if it’s workplace violence, one doesn’t usually bring along two friends with automatic weapons and explosive devices.
It could have been planned well in advance. Who says WPV has to be a spontaneous event? He and his family (if that is indeed who the other shooters are) could have been carrying around a grievance for months or even years.
In the end, while we should know the motive, people are still dead, lives are still ruined. Just another day in America.
Trying to create an Empire on EU4 that consists of my ancestral background, as England.
However, Personal Union-ing France and Scotland, annexing all the Irish States, seizing the Netherlands and parts of Northern Germany, Northern Jutland, and Southern Norway and Sweden, I have run into a problem.
The Holy Roman Empire. Namely, they get cranky when I seize their stuff.
Right now working on a plan to vassalize the Electors, Then capture the emperor’s Capital to Disband it.
re: #25 Desmond
Klys, first we need to wait and make sure the info is correct, but if it’s workplace violence, one doesn’t usually bring along two friends with automatic weapons and explosive devices.
Workplace killers have brought homemade bombs before, but 2-3 accomplices? I’ve never heard of that. And in post-WWII America there have only been two mass murders with more than one shooter. One was a robbery-murder on a gaming parlor in Seattle in 1984, the other was Columbine.
Facebook is being very non-responsive for me right now. Perhaps too many people hitting it?
re: #321 freetoken
Facebook is being very non-responsive for me right now. Perhaps too many people hitting it?
Works fine here.
re: #320 Dark_Falcon
Right now going on the assumption that it is both Workplace Violence, and a Radicalized Lunatic.
re: #295 HappyWarrior
I’m sure Bill Maher’s going to be extra obnoxious on Friday night.
He’s off until January.
re: #324 sagehen
He’s off until January.
Oh. That’s a relief though I did see he already tweeted something assine.
re: #265 The War TARDIS
I don’t even know where I could go. :’(
Berlin, Germany. Quite a large Muslim community there.
First time for a re: #320 Dark_Falcon
Workplace killers have brought homemade bombs before, but 2-3 accomplices? I’ve never heard of that. And in post-WWII America there have only been two mass murders with more than one shooter. One was a robbery-murder on a gaming parlor in Seattle in 1984, the other was Columbine.
First time maybe. Something important is still missing.
re: #323 The War TARDIS
Right now going on the assumption that it is both Workplace Violence, and a Radicalized Lunatic.
Workplace might work for Farook, but what about the rest of these dirtbags? People don’t just decide to join in a mass murder.
re: #328 Dark_Falcon
Workplace might work for Farook, but what about the rest of these dirtbags? People don’t just decide to join in a mass murder.
Really? Manson murders?
re: #291 HappyWarrior
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Downloaded it and will try to read it tomorrow (I’ll be in the mood for some “light” reading, and, as it relates to my family’s situation, will be of particular interest.) Thanks.
re: #331 Great White Snark
Who is the woman?
I’m hoping not his wife, as apparently he had just returned from paternity leave.
LATimes had a report from someone who had worked in the department (left in May) that he had attended the holiday party last year, held in the same conference room, and that there was a lot of issues in the department right now with substantial turnover regarding management concerns.
re: #330 electrotek
Or Kuala Lumpur.
I’m planning a visit there next month, and Malaysia in general. You been there before? Any recommendations?
re: #331 Great White Snark
Who is the woman?
Someone from CAIR said the family hasn’t heard from Syed or his wife since earlier today.
Looking at a frame grab from today, the dead woman is wearing shorts and a long-sleeved shirt, and is hardly dressed for a gunfight. She was in the back of the SUV under a blanket. Did she definitely have a gun?
Edit: looks like she may have had a belly band holster. Something is around her middle, possibly Tacticool Khaki colored, but it could be some kind of slimming band too.
I could believe it if they said she wasn’t part of the first shooting. But why cruise around the neighborhood if you had just done something like that? Could the shooter have come back home and made her leave in the truck with him? “Honey, I’ve done something bad and we need to leave?”
Just spitballing… I guess that’s what we have an FBI for, to figure this crap out.
I’m sure glad ski season is here, much easier to take my mind off of the awfulness. Today is a sad day for the victims of this massacre. Going forward, it will be a shitshow of epic proportions with fear and loathing front and center among the political junkies and chattering class. I might stay offline for a while.
re: #336 KingKenrod
Might explain her throwing in with him on the workplace violence. Extreme loyalty/shared anger?
re: #332 blueraven
Really? Manson murders?
Manson spent a good deal of time indoctrinating his followers and he sent out specific groups of them to commit the Tate-LaBianca murders.
re: #333 BeachDem
Downloaded it and will try to read it tomorrow (I’ll be in the mood for some “light” reading, and, as it relates to my family’s situation, will be of particular interest.) Thanks.
It’s a good read if I say so myself. What I’ve found out since I wrote it that my own family (mom’s mom’s parents) were from the borderlands of the Austro-Hungarian empire and Russian. My great grandfather while not an educated man knew a lot of languages since he worked with miners from all over the place.
re: #319 The War TARDIS
Thankfully, there is a massive Religious War in the HRE right now, so my plan is to come in with fresh pampered troops, and turn the whole place into a shitstorm by declaring war on essentially everyone!
re: #292 electrotek
Tayyep Ardogan?
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, President of Turkey.
Yeah…..someone went there.
*sigh*
re: #340 Dark_Falcon
Manson spent a good deal of time indoctrinating his followers and he sent out specific groups of them to commit the Tate-LaBianca murders.
And you know that these people were not “indoctrinated”?
No, you don’t know shit. Neither do I.
re: #344 blueraven
And you know that these people were not “indoctrinated”?
No, you don’t know shit. Neither do I.
We don’t even know the lady’s name or relationship to Farook yet.
re: #291 HappyWarrior
I dl’d it and will read when I have a chance. :-)
re: #342 The War TARDIS
Speaking of which, I found it is shitstorm time right now.
I should be able to vassailize the various electors in one swoop.
re: #289 electrotek
The Washington Times is reporting that Abdel Fattah el-Sisi is the other gunman. Oh wait, that’s the President of Egypt. Never mind.
— Nu Wexler (@wexler) December 3, 2015
re: #344 blueraven
And you know that these people were not “indoctrinated”?
No, you don’t know shit. Neither do I.
I didn’t say that and I’m sorry if I seemed to imply it. What I was trying to say is that one person may “spontaneously snap”, but when you have multiple shooters and as many as four people involved you’re usually looking at something that someone spent a good bit of time planning and setting up.
Here’s the latest. https://t.co/yVSXmrQM3v
— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) December 3, 2015
re: #337 Pawn of the Oppressor
Looking at a frame grab from today, the dead woman is wearing shorts and a long-sleeved shirt, and is hardly dressed for a gunfight. She was in the back of the SUV under a blanket. Did she definitely have a gun? I could believe it if they said she wasn’t part of the first shooting. But why cruise around the neighborhood if you had just done something like that? Could the shooter have come back home and made her leave in the truck with him? “Honey, I’ve done something bad and we need to leave?”
Just spitballing… I guess that’s what we have an FBI for, to figure this crap out.
Lots of assumptions on my part here, but a Muslim woman in shorts doesn’t sound very ISIS-like.
Its easier for me to imagine a couple in a relationship so codependent they would share violence rather than ISIS radicalized that wound up aimed at co workers. Government sure but just low level people. No offense to them but not Congressmen either.
re: #335 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I’m planning a visit there next month, and Malaysia in general. You been there before? Any recommendations?
I haven’t been even though I have a few friends that live in Kuala Lumpur and Johor and I should be visiting there.
Although I do have my reservations about visiting a country that has openly banned Shi’a Islam from being practiced in the country, however.
re: #346 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I dl’d it and will read when I have a chance. :-)
Cool, thanks. I really want to get back into writing again. I’m thinking about enrolling myself in a creative writing class at my old comm college.
re: #352 Great White Snark
Its easier for me to imagine a couple in a relationship so codependent they would share violence rather than ISIS radicalized that wound up aimed at co workers. Government sure but just low level people. No offense to them but not Congressmen either.
Pretty much this. Throw in one friend and there’s three people.
There were a lot more targets they could have hit in that building if they had wanted to before the cops showed up.
re: #348 teleskiguy
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“Sources within law enforcement stated off the record that they shooters may have attended a mosque run by Sheikh Yerbooti…”
re: #349 Dark_Falcon
I didn’t say that and I’m sorry if I seemed to imply it. What I was trying to say is that one person may “spontaneously snap”, but when you have multiple shooters and as many as four people involved you’re usually looking at something that someone spent a good bit of time planning and setting up.
OK then quit speaking in absolutes.
And as I posted above…who said this had to be spontaneous?
re: #318 blueraven
It could have been planned well in advance. Who says WPV has to be a spontaneous event? He and his family (if that is indeed who the other shooters are) could have been carrying around a grievance for months or even years.
In the end, while we should know the motive, people are still dead, lives are still ruined. Just another day in America.
re: #353 electrotek
I haven’t been even though I have a few friends that live in Kuala Lumpur and Johor and I should be visiting there.
Although I do have my reservations about visiting a country that has openly banned Shi’a Islam from being practiced in the country, however.
I once fancied retiring in Thailand, but that was before the latest military coup. Now Thailand’s government is trying hard to imitate China’s wrt civil rights and freedom of the press. I’m not sure Malaysia is much better, but at least i want to pay it a visit. Only $125 r/t from Hong Kong to KL. :D
re: #356 Pawn of the Oppressor
“Sources within law enforcement stated off the record that they shooters may have attended a mosque run by Sheikh Yerbooti…”
Imam Ahmed Rashad.
At least Malaysia is cleaner than China, if that’s of any consolation.
re: #356 Pawn of the Oppressor
“Sources within law enforcement stated off the record that they shooters may have attended a mosque run by Sheikh Yerbooti…”
no, Sheikh Yemani Mecca
re: #358 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
I once fancied retiring in Thailand, but that was before the latest military coup. Now Thailand’s government is trying hard to imitate China’s wrt civil rights and freedom of the press. I’m not sure Malaysia is much better, but at least i want to pay it a visit. Only $125 r/t from Hong Kong to KL. :D
That’s too bad. I hear the Thai people are great and of all the Southeast Asian cuisines, Thai is my favorite.
I wished I had a shirt that said Ayatollah of Rocknrolla
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Now that I think about it, this episode of the Simpsons not only introduced me to Jeb and George W. Bush but also Ayatollah Khomeini.
re: #349 Dark_Falcon
I didn’t say that and I’m sorry if I seemed to imply it. What I was trying to say is that one person may “spontaneously snap”, but when you have multiple shooters and as many as four people involved you’re usually looking at something that someone spent a good bit of time planning and setting up.
An interesting article about the idea that workplace shooters are people who “spontaneously snap”
To the contrary, however, most mass murderers - and workplace avengers in particular - do not just explode and start shooting spontaneously at anything that moves. Typically, these murderers act with calm deliberation, often planning their assault for days, if not weeks or months in advance. Their preparations involve assembling the arsenal of weaponry as well as determining the most effective means of attack.
In addition, workplace mass murderers tend to be quite selective in targeting their victims. Rather than an act of sheer insanity, their homicide is an act of controlled vengeance. Victims are chosen specifically because of the perceived harm that they have caused the perpetrator, who may himself feel like a victim of injustice.
This was written after the Wakefield Massacre in 2000.
McDermott, during his trial, claimed that he was born without a soul and that God had allowed him to earn a soul by traveling back in time to kill Nazis. He said he had “traveled back in time and killed Hitler and the last 6 Nazis.” However, the prosecution asserted that the killings were motivated by his employer’s garnishment of his wages for the IRS, to pay taxes that he owed.[
re: #370 HappyWarrior
Hahaha sorry dude but hey great minds right?
Six seconds. Six freaking seconds!
re: #371 electrotek
Simpsons episode comes to mind.
That’s probably one of my favorite Simpsons episodes up there with Sideshow Bob running for mayor.
Marge: Can we get rid of this Ayatollah T-shirt? Khomeini died years ago.
Homer: But, Marge! It works on any Ayatollah: Ayatollah Nakhbadeh, Ayatollah Zahedi…even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmada and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power.
re: #374 HappyWarrior
That’s probably one of my favorite Simpsons episodes up there with Sideshow Bob running for mayor.
Don’t forget Birch Barlow hahaha
No children have ever meddled with the Republican Party and lived to tell about it!
BREAKING: Hummus Bin Falafel Al-Shawarma , 25, a citizen of Camelstan, identified as latest suspect in #SanBernadino #SanBernadinoShooting
— fadi hussein (@fadihussein8) December 3, 2015
re: #359 HappyWarrior
I am not getting that one.
re: #384 The War TARDIS
I am not getting that one.
Ahmed Rashad was a football player in the 70’s turned sportscaster. His wife Phyillis played Clare Huxtable on the Cosby Show. I think they’ve since split up. Too obscure though I agree since I realize he hasn’t called games in a while.
Because it’s all about you Geraldo
Horrified by #SanBernadinoShooting & saddened that I’m unable to guide my @77WABCradio audience thru this outrageous massacre. Miss me yet?
— Geraldo Rivera (@GeraldoRivera) December 3, 2015
re: #386 HappyWarrior
I thought I was missing a dirty pun.
re: #382 Ace-o-aces
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@fadihussein8 T’ain’t funny, McGhee.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) December 3, 2015
re: #387 Ace-o-aces
Because it’s all about you Geraldo
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No, you can stay in Al Capone’s vault forever like the Templar Knight in the Last Crusade.
re: #388 The War TARDIS
I thought I was missing a dirty pun.
Nah. Was more riffing off the fact that person who suggested the fake Qatari used a real name of someone else.
re: #389 Dark_Falcon
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I think you’re missing that someone actually did seriously quest that a misspelling of the Turkish president was a suspect. Besides it appears to be in good fun. The only thing that bothers me about is Fadi has me craving Middle Eastern food at a time of day where I cannot get it.
#CAIR wouldn’t react this fast unless they were in full damage control. They know exactly who is responsible. #SanBernadinoShooting
— NavyBike (@NavyBike) December 3, 2015
WHY AREN’T THE MUSLIMS CONDEMNING ATTACK? (Muslims condemn attack) WHY ARE MUSLIMS SO QUICK TO CONDEM ATTACK? https://t.co/HYb5VZxCGY
— aceoaces (@aceoaces) December 3, 2015
re: #360 electrotek
At least Malaysia is cleaner than China, if that’s of any consolation.
re: #363 HappyWarrior
That’s too bad. I hear the Thai people are great and of all the Southeast Asian cuisines, Thai is my favorite.
I’ve been to Thailand and will probably visit again. Wonderful people, for sure. Chiang Mai has a lot of expats and IMO is more hospitable than Bangkok. I still have not visited the southern half of Thailand. It may become part of my itinerary this January-February break.
I think most places are cleaner than China. The biggest complaints I have about China are the bathrooms and the sidewalks. It seems none of them get cleaned with any regularity, or at all. The streets in my city get washed several times a day, but the sidewalks only when rains wash away the grime. And if you have a sensitive nose, hold your breath when visiting a public bathroom. (Western chain restaurants and airports excepted)
re: #390 HappyWarrior
No, you can stay in Al Capone’s vault forever like the Templar Knight in the Last Crusade.
Minor quibble: The knight in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is not mentioned as a Templar in the movie, rather as one of three brothers knights of the First Crusade. In point of fact, the Templar Order did not exist until after that Crusade.
re: #397 Stanley Sea Toujours
That was a classic!
Yeppers. We watched it again this past weekend—I thought my brother-in-law was going to pee his pants.
Would it be possible for the Democratic candidates for president to at least wait until we know what happened, what guns were used, and how they were acquired before rushing out to demand new laws:
I refuse to accept this as normal. We must take action to stop gun violence now. -H https://t.co/SkKglwQycb
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) December 2, 2015
Horrifying news out of #SanBernardino. Enough is enough: it’s time to stand up to the @NRA and enact meaningful gun safety laws— Martin O’Malley (@MartinOMalley) December 2, 2015
Mass shootings are becoming an almost-everyday occurrence in this country. This sickening and senseless gun violence must stop.— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) December 2, 2015
I found the tweets in question here.
Other suspect is 27 years old Tashfeen Malik. They are pretty sure it was just the two shooters, one male and one female. I’m guessing that’s Tashfeen.
And just to be clear, not all pro-gun control Dems rushed to politicize this horror show:
On a plane & just seeing reports of the tragedy in San Bernardino, CA. Sad, awful, & frightening news. Praying for #SanBernardino.
— Gabrielle Giffords (@GabbyGiffords) December 2, 2015
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
Would it be possible for Republican candidates to open their fuckin’ pieholes and say something about a Planned Parenthood being attacked?
I dunno. Suggesting we might tighten up access to guns doesn’t sound like a bad idea, y’know.
Maybe it’s just me. /
re: #402 Dark_Falcon
“Mass shootings are becoming an almost-everyday occurrence in this country. This sickening and senseless gun violence must stop.”
How did Bernie politicize this?
In Gunned Down: The Power of the NRA, FRONTLINE goes inside the politics of America’s gun debate. Veteran FRONTLINE filmmaker Michael Kirk investigates the NRA, its political evolution and influence, and how it has consistently succeeded in defeating new gun control legislation.
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
You don’t need an apostrophe when describing the candidates (plural) for President.
That’s probably the most polite thing I can say in response to this.
re: #398 BeachDem
Yeppers. We watched it again this past weekend—I thought my brother-in-law was going to pee his pants.
I just laughed so hard.
Saying factual things isn’t politicizing it. Jeebus.
re: #412 Jenner7
Saying factual things isn’t politicizing it. Jeebus.
It is when you say it to someone who doesn’t believe in facts.
/
“Hey kids, shooting innocent people just because you’re pissed is a really bad idea, mmkay? So don’t do that, mmkay?”
re: #408 Jenner7
“Mass shootings are becoming an almost-everyday occurrence in this country. This sickening and senseless gun violence must stop.”
How did Bernie politicize this?
He doesn’t know what kind of guns were used!!!!
re: #415 GlutenFreeJesus
He doesn’t know what kind of guns were used!!!!
The kind that shoot bullets out the front end.
Now all the Electors have joined the war. I have Vassalized 2 of them.
re: #402 Dark_Falcon
And just to be clear, not all pro-gun control Dems rushed to politicize this horror show:
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You mean be more classy like when many republicans bashed PP, some while the standoff was still going on?
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
Would it be possible for the Democratic candidate’s for president to at least wait until we know what happened, what guns were used, and how they were acquired before rushing out to demand new laws:
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I found the tweets in question here.
Nope. Their comments were certainly more responsive than the smarmy bullshit put forth by the Republican candidates. Hell, even the Daily News said it:
And it isn’t just the left that’s already politicizing this murder rampage. There are two tweets from Republican presidential candidates. First we have an entirely appropriate tweet from Ted Cruz:
Our prayers are with the victims, their families, and the first responders in San Bernardino who willingly go into harm’s way to save others
— Ted Cruz (@tedcruz) December 2, 2015
Then we have a tweet from Donald Trump, who bothers high-frequency sensitive ears with the dog whistle he blows:
California shooting looks very bad. Good luck to law enforcement and God bless. This is when our police are so appreciated!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 2, 2015
Trump’s over-the-top tribute to law enforcement can only be read as a disguised slap and those who are at times critical of police.
re: #417 The War TARDIS
Now all the Electors have joined the war. I have Vassalized 2 of them.
You feudal lord, you!
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
Would it be possible for the Democratic candidate’s for president to at least wait until we know what happened, what guns were used, and how they were acquired before rushing out to demand new laws:
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I found the tweets in question here.
Why does knowing exactly which gun is used in a tragedy important?
From the LA Times:
Both dead suspects identified
The male and female suspects who died in a gun battle with police this afternoon were Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, San Bernardino’s police chief announced.
Farook was born in the U.S. and worked as a county employee, and Malik’s nationality was not yet known, Chief Jarrod Burguan said.
The pair had a relationship, he said: They were either married or engaged.
Each had an assault rifle and a semiautomatic handgun when they died, he said.
Burguan said police are confident there were two shooters in this morning’s massacre.
— Lauren Raab
Note that Farook was a US citizen, not an immigrant or a refugee.
re: #422 Amory Blaine
Why does knowing exactly which gun is used in a tragedy important?
Because if it was a gun stolen from law enforcement or smuggled into the country then it was never legally available for civilian sale.
Before we propose laws to solve problems let’s at least know what problems we’re trying to solve.
.@thedailybeast improperly ID’d Syed Raheel Farook as a #SanBernadino suspect. (1/3)
— Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) December 3, 2015
As much as I am in favor of tighter restrictions on who is able to obtain firearms, this specific case might be one where the obvious checks (mental health, violent criminal history, etc) might have not had any effect. Every indication we have so far is that the individuals here had no prior inclination toward violence - especially at this level.
Unless you want to go down the road of restricting the sale/possession weapons to individuals belonging to a particular race or religion - which I adamantly am NOT in favor of - there doesn’t appear to be any obvious flags that would have been raised here.
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
What. No “legally lurchased from a neighboring state with lax gun laws” option?
re: #423 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Note that Farook was a US citizen, not an immigrant or a refugee.
That doesn’t matter to the millions of mouthbreathers who are voting for Trump in the next election. He’s got a Muslim-y name to that crowd and that’s all they need to keep stoking their anger and hatred.
Like anyone would need to import a gun here. Spare me dark, you know better.
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
Because if it was a gun stolen from law enforcement or smuggled into the country then it was never legally available for civilian sale.
Before we propose laws to solve problems let’s at least know what problems we’re trying to solve.
How about expanded BG checks. Closing gun show loopholes. Allowing CDC to study gun violence. Cracking down on straw purchases. Just for a start?
re: #432 blueraven
How about expanded BG checks. Closing gun show loopholes. Allowing CDC to study gun violence. Cracking down on straw purchases. Just for a start?
Too soon, you ghoul!
re: #432 blueraven
How about expanded BG checks. Closing gun show loopholes. Allowing CDC to study gun violence. Cracking down on straw purchases. Just for a start?
HOW DARE YOU POLITICIZE THIS WHILE THE BODIES ARE STILL WARM!
re: #431 Amory Blaine
Like anyone would need to import a gun here. Spare me dark, you know better.
And yet the AKs used in the North Hollywood bank robbery were illegally imported full-auto weapons and people continue to be caught trying to smuggle full-auto contraband into the US.
re: #432 blueraven
How about expanded BG checks. Closing gun show loopholes. Allowing CDC to study gun violence. Cracking down on straw purchases. Just for a start?
mandatory lessons on how to shoot, store and maintain them? I mean, you have to take tests to get a driver’s license, why not a gun license?
re: #429 GlutenFreeJesus
What. No “legally lurchased from a neighboring state with lax gun laws” option?
First we’d have to know any such laws were inadequate in this case before we’d know. That’s why the circumstances matter.
re: #427 Stanley Sea Toujours
Worth adding the follow-up:
Police now say the suspect is Syed Rizwan Farook, Raheel’s brother. (2/3)
— Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) December 3, 2015
From this LA Times report, it’s beginning to sound like a workplace grievance, or a “troubled employee” situation.
latimes.com
Still not clear whether Farook and Malik were married to each other.
re: #437 Dark_Falcon
CDC gun violence study. How about it.
re: #438 klys (maker of Silmarils)
Worth adding the follow-up:
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Who cares since they both Mooslum? Kill ‘em both and let Allah sort it out!!1
And I’m sure bigots are unsarcastically tweeting what I just posted as we speak.
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
Because if it was a gun stolen from law enforcement or smuggled into the country then it was never legally available for civilian sale.
Before we propose laws to solve problems let’s at least know what problems we’re trying to solve.
The problem we’re trying to solve is more than 350 mass shootings in 2015 alone.
The reason we imagine that we know what laws would solve it is that proposals are modeled on laws that have been tried and found effective in other countries.
(Sorry to drop this and run, but I have to go to bed now. I’ll be around tomorrow, I expect….)
re: #440 GlutenFreeJesus
CDC gun violence study. How about it.
No. The CDC should confine itself to matters of diseases. Matters of crime are matters for other agencies.
And I’m signing off. I had to work late and I’m tired. But working late helped me get a big sale, so that’s good news.
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
No. The CDC should confine itself to matters of diseases. Matters of crime are matters for other agencies.
Wrong.
CDC is Public Health. Gun deaths do not cover just crime, but also accidents, which IS under the purvey of the CDC.
CDC is the BEST place to do the research.
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
No. The CDC should confine itself to matters of diseases. Matters of crime are matters for other agencies.
This is a bunch of baloney. People dying is a health issue. People are dying by guns at an alarming rate, yet we have no reliable data.
But go ahead and
Hm…I must have a malformed private tag…my bad.
(~):-}
And you’re still online, DF, so we’re cool You know you were being a dick. Sleep well, shaved balls.
re: #235 Aunty Entity Dragon
Nooo…mangoes…do not want
#NowPlaying Bill Hicks > Relentless > The News https://t.co/X5jcBdftdo
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) December 3, 2015
re: #445 gwangung
If the fetishization of guns and violence isn’t a ‘disease’, I don’t know what is. People are right to use CDC data in fighting this disease.
Still the best tweet of the day.
Jeb Wants A Bush On His Ticket https://t.co/0iXX0QWqa1 via @KailiJoy pic.twitter.com/Grwvj44c3n
— Wonkette (@Wonkette) December 3, 2015
re: #445 gwangung
Wrong.
CDC is Public Health. Gun deaths do not cover just crime, but also accidents, which IS under the purvey of the CDC.
CDC is the BEST place to do the research.
I’ve got guns but I’m also pro-science and I don’t understand how this is even a question. I was shocked to find out that studying this has been blocked. I had no idea. “BUT IT WILL BE A BACKDOOR TO GUN CONFISCASHUN!!!” Uhhhm… If we can average a death toll of the Paris attacks twice a week, with daily double-digit body counts from shootings, and nobody lifts a finger against firearms ownership, I think that slippery slope is pretty much not slippery. At all.
The gun lobby has failed to remember the important lesson that if you act like a bunch of rabid, paranoid a-holes, everybody will characterize you as rabid, paranoid a-holes. The tone coming out of the NRA, NRA-ILA, and their various publications has been batshit nuts since at least the Obama administration. Just a level of meanness, scare mongering, and hysteria that I do NOT remember from my youth.
Gun culture is inherently reactionary and every one of these shootings actually drives up sales. The buying binges used to be tied to election cycles, but in the era of 24-7 infopsychosis, every day is a good day to stock up on firepower because somewhere, someplace, there are violent black people and mushy-brained commie liberals who need to be stopped!!11. It’s crazy.
And that’s before we get to the manufacturers and marketing. AR-15 ownership isn’t just possession of a physical thing, it’s become an accessorized lifestyle… Don’t get me started.
re: #454 Pawn of the Oppressor
I’ve got guns but I’m also pro-science and I don’t understand how this is even a question.
We’re dealing with Republicans. They don’t believe in science. Just the neat toys they get from it.
re: #455 gwangung
We’re dealing with Republicans. They don’t believe in science. Just the neat toys they get from it.
I wonder which gun we’ll next be graced with a photo of for no apparent reason.
re: #455 gwangung
Yeah, I know.
The real terrorism is inside everybody’s heads. Buy this thousand-dollar killing device because it symbolizes your dedication to Freedom. Don’t forget the extra magazines. And this cool handgrip. And parts engraved with symbols of things you revere. And a $700 red dot sight like they used in Iraq. Liberals will hate you, blonde babes will dig you, and nobody can ever stop you from doing what you want to do… Even though you don’t do anything, really, except go to work, watch TV, and bitch about Obama on the internet like every other middle class fatass white guy in the country.
re: #419 BeachDem
Great cover, sums it all up nicely. Thanks for sharing the pic.
One thing that has really struck me about this particular instance of what is an increasingly likely case of workplace violence is how mind-numbingly simple it would be for a similar event to occur in just about any workplace with an office setting around the country. I know of too many places where carrying backpacks into and out of the workplace is common due to proliferation of portable computers (laptops etc), and sneaking in items of destruction would be downright trivial.
re: #460 Bill and Opus for 2016!
I know of too many places where carrying backpacks into and out of the workplace is common due to proliferation of portable computers (laptops etc), and sneaking in items of destruction would be downright trivial.
Of course, anywhere that employees have access on nights and weekends (most of my jobs, for instance, including at an investment bank) there’s no need to sneak anything. Just take it in when there’s nobody around to see.
re: #417 The War TARDIS
And I have destroyed it.
re: #460 Bill and Opus for 2016!
One thing that has really struck me about this particular instance of what is an increasingly likely case of workplace violence is how mind-numbingly simple it would be for a similar event to occur in just about any workplace with an office setting around the country. I know of too many places where carrying backpacks into and out of the workplace is common due to proliferation of portable computers (laptops etc), and sneaking in items of destruction would be downright trivial.
I accidentally brought something into an old job that I shouldn’t have, once (I do honor the rules, in the interests of not getting fired). I had been moving some things around in my car and re-sorting the contents of my pockets, and rather unbelievably had lost direct track of my .380 which it turns out was in my bag and not my glove compartment. I opened my bag at my desk and was like “Ooops…”
There is nothing stopping people from walking all the way in with handguns at 90% of the jobs out there. I had walked in right through all the mall cop security, including door officers.
That’s what these Commandos of The Imagination don’t get when they say “I’d have stopped it!” or “If only there was a GGWAG”. Yeah OK, well if I had been of a mind to kill everyone in the room when I accidentally brought in that thing I shouldn’t have, there would have been zero warning. I could have taken it out of my bag as fast as I take out my coffee cup or my phone charger and offed three or four people before anybody would even start to react.
There is no “stopping” these things unless you have strong, aggressive entry security, and that’s expensive and inconvenient for everybody.
re: #460 Bill and Opus for 2016!
One thing that has really struck me about this particular instance of what is an increasingly likely case of workplace violence is how mind-numbingly simple it would be for a similar event to occur in just about any workplace with an office setting around the country. I know of too many places where carrying backpacks into and out of the workplace is common due to proliferation of portable computers (laptops etc), and sneaking in items of destruction would be downright trivial.
I work for a tech company. I have a lunchbox I bring every day that could easily conceal a couple of handguns and a fair bit of ammo. Friends of mine have laptop cases and backpacks which, as you say, could conceal all manner of weaponry. We have on-site security but they don’t bag check.
Heck, this time of year I could wrap a bomb like a Christmas present and put it wherever I wanted to.
Have we really reached an age where we live in fear of everyone?
re: #464 Eclectic Cyborg
I work for a tech company. I have a lunchbox I bring every day that could easily conceal a couple of handguns and a fair bit of ammo. Friends of mine have laptop cases and backpacks which, as you say, could conceal all manner of weaponry. We have on-site security but they don’t bag check.
Heck, this time of year I could wrap a bomb like a Christmas present and put it wherever I wanted to.
Have we really reached an age where we live in fear of everyone?
The wingnuts have.
At least two of the guns used in the San Bernardino shooting were purchased legally. https://t.co/0pe5PTcWhp
— Matt Pearce (@mattdpearce) December 3, 2015
I’ve completed a plot outline for my book “The Vows”. It’s about two young people in Ohio who think their lives are going nowhere, a chance meeting sets them on a journey that will take them from Ohio to Colorado to Las Vegas to Florida with an ending no one will ever forget.
I don’t expect to have the first draft complete for at least another couple of months but I was hoping their might be a couple of volunteer editors around here who might be willing to offer me feedback and suggestions to better polish the final product. If you’re interested, let me know and I’ll get you on the list for when I get the draft done. Thanks in advance to willing helpers.
re: #436 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
mandatory lessons on how to shoot, store and maintain them? I mean, you have to take tests to get a driver’s license, why not a gun license?
There’s one in Connecticut, you need to take the course in order to get a card that lets you buy guns and ammo. It’s bullshit. Most such required courses use materials developed by the NRA. Which includes ample indoctrination bullshit.
Plus, in Connecticut, the final written test was open book, open notes, ask the class. No learning required. The only way to fail would be to do something egregiously stupid during the firing range portion of the class, and get caught.
Like I said, it’s bullshit. Most likely the NRA would fight any training requirement that had any semblance of rigor.
re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg
I’ve completed a plot outline for my book “The Vows”. It’s about two young people in Ohio who think their lives are going nowhere, a chance meeting sets them on a journey that will take them from Ohio to Colorado to Las Vegas to Florida with an ending no one will ever forget.
I don’t expect to have the first draft complete for at least another couple of months but I was hoping their might be a couple of volunteer editors around here who might be willing to offer me feedback and suggestions to better polish the final product. If you’re interested, let me know and I’ll get you on the list for when I get the draft done. Thanks in advance to willing helpers.
Good Luck on your book.
re: #463 Pawn of the Oppressor
I accidentally brought something into an old job that I shouldn’t have, once (I do honor the rules, in the interests of not getting fired). There is nothing stopping people from walking all the way in with handguns at 90% of the jobs out there.
That’s what these Commandos of The Imagination don’t get when they say “I’d have stopped it!” or “If only there was a GGWAG”. Yeah OK, well if I had been of a mind to kill everyone in the room when I accidentally brought in that thing I shouldn’t have, there would have been zero warning. I could have taken it out of my bag as fast as I take out my coffee cup or my phone charger and offed three or four people before anybody would even start to react.
There is no “stopping” these things unless you have strong, aggressive entry security, and that’s expensive and inconvenient for everybody.
I work on assignments around the country in facilities with all types of security. I use temp workers for many assignments, and in some of the places, the temps have to get photo id badges to get into specific doors in specific buildings. And as often as not, the system fails—one of the most stringent locations, with really strict security, issued badges to my temps that were supposed to let them in only the exterior door, then I was supposed to badge them into a secure area once they’d accessed the exterior door. One day, I was there, by myself at about 4 am, waiting for the first worker to arrive. I heard somebody walking down the hallway within the secure area and kind of freaked out. Of course, it was a temp who had figured out how to come in another door and down the hallway, and basically had access to the whole complex.
re: #442 Snarknado!
The problem we’re trying to solve is more than 350 mass shootings in 2015 alone.
And there’s no need for the solution for *this* to also be the solution for gang shootings. You can have different solutions for different, but similar, problems.
re: #439 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
From this LA Times report, it’s beginning to sound like a workplace grievance, or a “troubled employee” situation.
latimes.comStill not clear whether Farook and Malik were married to each other.
NY Times says they were married and have a six month old kid, who was left with Farook’s mother Wednesday morning.
re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg
I’m a writer and have also been an editor, and I’d be glad to take a gander when you get it done. (Also an avid reader, and a grammar and spelling pedant!)
Edited to add—also have lived in Ohio, so have a good feel for locations and colloquialisms.
re: #473 BeachDem
I’m a writer and have also been an editor, and I’d be glad to take a gander when you get it done. (Also an avid reader, and a grammar and spelling pedant!)
Edited to add—also have lived in Ohio, so have a good feel for locations and colloquialisms.
Ok, I may need your help then. I grew up in the great lakes region so I’m already pretty familiar with the climate and such. The book begins in a small town outside of Dayton.
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
Because if it was a gun stolen from law enforcement or smuggled into the country then it was never legally available for civilian sale.
Before we propose laws to solve problems let’s at least know what problems we’re trying to solve.
Oh, bullshit, Dark! It doesn’t matter how these guns were obtained. They were obtainable because we have TOO MANY FUCKING GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY!! And we have too many fucking guns because of people like you who support a party that is nothing more than a pawn of the firearms industry.
The problem we’re trying to solve, which somehow, many other countries seem to have solved is how not to have so many fucking guns!!!
Yeh Dark, it really is you. You sound like you think it’s criminal to dare to suggest finding ways to reduce gun violence. Don’t you support efforts to reduce gun violence Dark?
I’m getting so jaded, the evening isn’t quite complete until the second high speed chase on the local scanner. The first one was interesting, suspect decided to go off-road from the freeway, and escaped onto surface streets. Fuckin’ California, eh.
re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg
Add me to the list. No promises, but I’d like to read it.
re: #472 jonhendry
NY Times says they were married and have a six month old kid, who was left with Farook’s mother Wednesday morning.
Oh, that’s really sad. Poor kid. Poor grandparents. What made these two go off the rails, i wonder?
re: #474 Eclectic Cyborg
Ok, I may need your help then. I grew up in the great lakes region so I’m already pretty familiar with the climate and such. The book begins in a small town outside of Dayton.
Yellow Springs?
re: #424 Dark_Falcon
Because if it was a gun stolen from law enforcement or smuggled into the country then it was never legally available for civilian sale.
Before we propose laws to solve problems let’s at least know what problems we’re trying to solve.
Well at least we know so far that 2 of the guns were bought legally.
Two guns recovered from suspects were purchased legally, federal officials say
Meredith Davis, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said officials had “successfully traced” the four guns recovered in connection with the San Bernardino shooting and determined that two of the weapons were purchased legally.
The guns were bought by an individual associated with the investigation, Davis said but declined to name the person.
“Agents continue to investigate leads concerning the two additional firearms,” Davis said.
Police officials said that two suspects, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, were armed with two assault rifles and two semiautomatic handguns.
The assault rifles were a .223-caliber DPMS Model A15 and a Smith and Wesson M&P15. One of the handguns was manufactured by Llama, and the other by Smith and Wesson.
— Joel Rubin and Christine Mai-Duc
re: #472 jonhendry
NY Times says they were married and have a six month old kid, who was left with Farook’s mother Wednesday morning.
Glad to know the kid is alright, at least?
Just damn. :/
Seeing how this could turn out to be a case of a non-terrorist mass shooting - analogous to Craig Hicks shooting people apparently over a parking lot dispute - this is exactly why you shouldn’t hurry with the label of terrorism. Those who were calling the media complicit yesterday for mere use of qualifiers should maybe have some introspective thoughts.
re: #484 Nyet
Seeing how this could turn out to be a case of a non-terrorist mass shooting - analogous to Craig Hicks shooting people apparently over a parking lot dispute - this is exactly why you shouldn’t hurry with the label of terrorism. Those who were calling the media complicit yesterday for mere use of qualifiers should maybe have some introspective thoughts.
Yeah it’s starting to sound like an Employer/Employee problem. since it was all family members attacking an Employer meeting/party. And the one attacker was in the meeting/ party for a while before he left mad.
re: #201 HappyWarrior
I think you mean the entire Bill of Rights.
We are a Christian Nation Under God and the Constitution does not apply to anyone who does not fit the bill.
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re: #250 HappyWarrior
Facebook actually has been very good to me. I’ve gotten to know some cousins I otherwise would not know since I started a family history group.
I occasionally get political, but FB is more about who you are hanging with, what you are reading/watching and what you had for dinner.
re: #487 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
I occasionally get political, but FB is more about who you are hanging with, what you are reading/watching and what you had for dinner.
That’s my opinion, too, but the trend now is to use it for political statements or to push your website.
re: #326 Dr Lizardo
Berlin, Germany. Quite a large Muslim community there.
Most any large city in Germany. But they are kind of overloaded with Syrian refugees (over 1 million in 2015 alone)
re: #439 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
From this LA Times report, it’s beginning to sound like a workplace grievance, or a “troubled employee” situation.
latimes.comStill not clear whether Farook and Malik were married to each other.
It is ISLAMIC terror, and anyone not willing to shout it from the rooftops (once they have been cleared of cheering Muslims) is a traitor and terrorist sympathizer.
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LA Times reporting police found explosive devices of some kind at the site, like pipe bombs.
latimes.com
re: #490 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
It is ISLAMIC terror, and anyone not willing to shout it from the rooftops (once they have been cleared of cheerimg Muslims) is a traitor and terrorist sympathizer.
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According to the TV everyone that was shot was a co worker of his. The is a pretty narrow focus for a regular Terrorist.
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
Would it be possible for the Democratic candidates for president to at least wait until we know what happened, what guns were used, and how they were acquired before rushing out to demand new laws:
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I found the tweets in question here.
I have to grudgingly agree with DF that the politicians in question could have and should have waited for more details before tweeting, but I nonetheless believe that we need stricter gun control laws.
Whether these guns used were legal or illegal in this particular case is somewhat irrelevant: THERE ARE TOO MANY MASS SHOOTINGS IN THE USA
Just heard on TV that two boys 10 and 11 in NJ were caught planing to set off a bomb at their school assembly.
re: #492 Tigger2
According to the TV everyone that was shot was a co worker of his.
Well, shit. Is Farook going to be one of those “really quiet and polite guys” who suddenly goes postal because he felt alienated or ignored? And how does his missus fit into all of this?
The key word is “could” though. Pipe bombs and the level of training/organization would still point in the other direction. The workplace relationships might have influenced the choice of targets, but at least at first sight this doesn’t look like a typical running-amok.
IOW, we should wait, but this m.o. is pretty compatible with the tactics recommended in Dabiq.
re: #494 Tigger2
Just heard on TV that two boys 10 and 11 in NJ were caught planing to set a bomb at their school assembly.
Please tell me they were not Muslims.
re: #496 Nyet
The key word is “could” though. Pipe bombs and the level of training/organization would still point in the other direction. The workplace relationships might have influenced the choice of targets, but at least at first sight this doesn’t look like a typical running-amok.
IOW, we should wait, but this m.o. is pretty compatible with the tactics recommended in Dabiq.
He could have been upset at his Employer for a long time and planned this.
And Pipe bombs must not be to hard to make the idiot my EX married after our divorce made a pipe bomb and tossed it threw her kitchen window when they were splitting up. It blew half her kitchen apart.
re: #497 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Please tell me they were not Muslims.
You WANT them to be angry white males? Why do you hate white people?
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re: #499 Tigger2
They didn’t say
From the Bergen Record:
About 9:30 a.m. Wednesday, police received a call from school officials who said they had uncovered written plans by the fifth-graders to bring an explosive device to the high school during a field trip that was scheduled for later in the afternoon, said Detective Sgt. Robert Bracken, spokesman for the Police Department.
The students from the Merselis Avenue elementary school were to attend an event at the high school, which was canceled following the discovery.
Police discovered a device, which was not explosive and included a mixture of cinnamon and vinegar, Bracken said. This was definitely not a prank, the sergeant said, adding the children’s intention was to carry out the plan.
“They didn’t have the right equipment, but the intent was there,” Bracken said. “This is very disturbing,” he said, and added that the situation is under investigation, as is the motive.
re: #498 Tigger2
He could have been upset at his Employer for a long time and planed this.
When someone forsakes their life for the aim of getting back at someone for some pretty petty stuff, it never makes sense to us, but we can at least grasp it if it was a “spur of the moment” thing. You know, “I had my gun and was seeing red”. So while I don’t exclude anything until the facts come in, psychologically your explanation seems less plausible to me than the alternative. Well, we’ll see pretty soon.
re: #502 Nyet
When someone forsakes their life for the aim of getting back at someone for some pretty petty stuff, it never makes sense to us, but we can at least grasp it if it was a “spur of the moment” thing. You know, “I had my gun and was seeing red”. So while I don’t exclude anything until the facts come in, psychologically your explanation seems less plausible to me than the alternative. Well, we’ll see pretty soon.
There is no escaping that this is going to be branded as Islamic terror and proof of why we should not be letting anyone into the country who isn’t white and Christian.
re: #502 Nyet
When someone forsakes their life for the aim of getting back at someone for some pretty petty stuff, it never makes sense to us, but we can at least grasp it if it was a “spur of the moment” thing. You know, “I had my gun and was seeing red”. So while I don’t exclude anything until the facts come in, psychologically your explanation seems less plausible to me than the alternative. Well, we’ll see pretty soon.
You must not know to many people like I have known in my past that have held some very hard deep set hated for years over stuff I would call petty. but then again some of the people I have known could be called crazy lol. Bikers.
Yesre: #504 Tigger2
You must not know to many people like I have known in my past that have held some very hard deep set hated for years over stuff I would call petty.
Yes, unlike you, I’m not acquainted with any folks willing to sacrifice their lives in order to commit mass murder over personal slights. I guess I’m lucky that way.//
re: #505 Nyet
Yes
Yes, unlike you, I’m not acquainted with any folks willing to sacrifice their lives in order to commit mass murder over personal slights. I guess I’m lucky that way.//
I also make an effort to avoid people who seem to go out of their way to find things to take offense at.
If it does turn out to be terrorism, this might be relevant:
adl.org
Inspire blends al-Awlaki’s incitement to violence with practical instructions on making explosives. An article entitled “Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom” provides step-by-step instructions on making an explosive device using household ingredients such as sugar, match heads, Christmas lights, batteries and a clock. “In one or two days the bomb could be ready to kill at least ten people,” the article reads. “In a month you may make a bigger and more lethal bomb that could kill tens of people.” According to the author, the bomb-making instructions not only “relieve” readers “of the “difficulty of traveling to us,” but also enable “individual work inside the West such as the operations of Nidal Hassan and Faisal Shahzad.”
re: #507 Nyet
If it does turn out to be terrorism, this might be relevant:
It is already terrorism to the RW blogosphere and Donald Trump, so we might as well just get used to it.
re: #508 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Let’s not measure what we do, think and say by their measuring stick.
re: #509 Nyet
Let’s not measure what we do, think and say by their measuring stick.
I just mean that this attack is a gold mine of talking points for the Right Wing. The fact that the attacker was a Muslim has already begun to overshadow the discussion of mass shootings.
It will be presented as everything from example of the War on Christmas to proof that Islam is a violent, murderous religion and that is why we should not let anyone into this country who is not white or Christian.
BTW, as we have established earlier, “workplace incident” is a technical term that doesn’t exclude any motives. This was automatically a workplace incident. The only question is what led to it.
re: #511 Nyet
BTW, as we have established earlier, “workplace incident” is a technical term that doesn’t exclude any motives. This was automatically a workplace incident. The only question is what led to it.
And one of the explanations that will be offered is that this fellow’s religion convinced him he was justified in doing it…unlike the Planned parenthood shooter.
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re: #512 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
And one of the explanations that will be offered is that this fellow’s religion convinced him he was justified in doing it…unlike the Planned parenthood shooter.
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Or its mirror opposite, depending on one’s political preferences.
re: #513 Nyet
Or its mirror opposite, depending on one’s political preferences.
In any case, the discussion will be all about Islam, immigration and terror, and the issue of mass shootings and gun control will be buried in the shouting match.
re: #514 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
It doesn’t seem this case is relevant to the gun control debate, given the clean perpetrator backgrounds and lawful gun acquisition. Unless gun control means gun confiscation. With which I actually increasingly agree, but which is absolutely unimplementable.
re: #515 Nyet
It doesn’t seem this case is relevant to the gun control debate, given the clean perpetrator backgrounds and lawful gun acquisition. Unless gun control means gun confiscation. With which I actually increasingly agree, but which is absolutely unimplementable.
Indirectly relevant: I am sure that stricter and better enforced gun control laws would help decrease the number of mass shootings in the US.
re: #516 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Indirectly relevant: I am sure that stricter and better enforced gun control laws would help decrease the number of mass shootings in the US.
Absolutely. But the other 350+ shootings that happened earlier this year will probably be a better argument than this particular one.
re: #517 Nyet
Absolutely. But the other 350+ shootings that happened earlier this year will probably be a better argument than this particular one.
Yes, this is going to be all about Islam and terror and immigration.
re: #502 Nyet
When someone forsakes their life for the aim of getting back at someone for some pretty petty stuff, it never makes sense to us, but we can at least grasp it if it was a “spur of the moment” thing. You know, “I had my gun and was seeing red”. So while I don’t exclude anything until the facts come in, psychologically your explanation seems less plausible to me than the alternative. Well, we’ll see pretty soon.
If we accept the apparent, look for some kind of self-reinforcing feedback loop tying ideology to workplace incidents to excessive reaction to stepped up ideology, spiralling up over time.
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
Would it be possible for the Democratic candidates for president to at least wait until we know what happened, what guns were used, and how they were acquired before rushing out to demand new laws:
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I found the tweets in question here.
There’s nothing politicizing with any of those three statements. I’d appreciate if you didn’t sound like a lobbyist for the gun lobby everytime one of these tragedies happens. I pointed out to the community yesterday and I’ll let you know too. I know what it’s like to lose a family member to gun violence. I know what it’s also like to see one of these massacres on television and worry about your family and friends. O’Malley is the only one who said anything about the NRA and you know what he’s 100% right. The NRA does repeatedly oppose safe regulation not to mention bully people who do support safe regulations and compare them to the fucking Nazis. And where was your outrage at the candidates in your party who actually tried to find a false equivalency between Planned Parenthood and bastard who shot them up? So yeah dude you’re an apologist for gun violence because you keep on making excuses and frankly it’s getting old.
re: #519 Decatur Deb
If we accept the apparent, look for some kind if self-reinforcing feedback loop tying ideology to workplace incidents to excessive reaction to stepped up ideology, spiralling up over time.
Edit:
After reading more, my explanation seems less likely—surviving co-worker says he was “well-liked”.
523 comments overnite. My phone is going to hate me today.
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
If you’re more “concerned” with what Democratic Politicians say rather than the epidemic mass shootings in this country, then you really need to reevaluate your life.
You know what I hate is that we have to specify which tragedy we’re talking about. Other countries don’t have that. I honestly don’t know what the solution is nor do I have the answers but this much I do know, our status quo isn’t working. And I do think it’s perfectly reasonable to suggest that our gun laws are part of a greater problem. I read about too many people shot by a trigger happy neighbor who flips out over the smallest thing, too many children who die because some relative was too stupid to secure their gun in a place that could not be reached by a child, etc. These events are unheard of in our allies. And yes the CDC should be studying in. The NRA and gun lobby in general shouldn’t be able to bully people who want meaningful research into gun violence and they do time and time again not to mention the insidious lies they do by comparing gun control advocates to some of the most evil people in history but gun control advocates are the bad guys sigh. Anyhow rant done.
re: #508 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
It is already terrorism to the RW blogosphere and Donald Trump, so we might as well just get used to it.
We still need to get to the bottom of it. It could be a ‘blended motive’, if you will: Someone struggling in life who turns to a brand of totalitarianism as the Answer-To-Everything. Then continued thwarting at work plus Al Qaeda and Daesh’s continual incitement of terror attacks and you’ve got the ingredients for mass murder. Making matters even worse would be that in this case the killer indoctrinated his woman and at least one other other person, thereby turning into a cell leader (which likely boosted both his ego and his determination to kill).
This is just a speculation, you understand.
re: #526 Dark_Falcon
We still need to get to the bottom of it. It could be a ‘blended motive’, if you will: Someone struggling in life who turns to a brand of totalitarianism as the Answer-To-Everything. Then continued thwarting at work plus Al Qaeda and Daesh’s continual incitement of terror attacks and you’ve got the ingredients for mass murder. Making matters even worse would be that in this case the killer indoctrinated his bitch (when she turned terrorist she stopped being a lady and became a bitch in my eyes) and at least one other other person, thereby turning into a cell leader (which likely boosted both his ego and his determination to kill).
This is just a speculation, you understand.
No need to speculate, this is already the established motive in RW circles: terrorism and Islam and immigration.
terrorism and Islam and immigration
terrorism and Islam and immigration
terrorism and Islam and immigration
terrorism and Islam and immigration
terrorism and Islam and immigration
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
No. The CDC should confine itself to matters of diseases. Matters of crime are matters for other agencies.
What causes people to die is a matter that should probably be studied by NIH (perhaps not CDC, but PERHAPS THE GOP SHOULD ALLOW SOME GOVERNMENT AGENCY TO STUDY THIS)
This isn’t a matter of crime. Its a matter of what determining what is killing people, and how to prevent those deaths…remember that two thirds of people that are killed by guns live in the same body as their killers.
Then you have accidental deaths and injuries…
re: #526 Dark_Falcon
Throw in a little folie à deux and that’s a recipe for some big damn trouble. Or alternatively, maybe the whole thing really was just one big folie à deux.
re: #525 HappyWarrior
You know what I hate is that we have to specify which tragedy we’re talking about. Other countries don’t have that. I honestly don’t know what the solution is nor do I have the answers but this much I do know, our status quo isn’t working. And I do think it’s perfectly reasonable to suggest that our gun laws are part of a greater problem. I read about too many people shot by a trigger happy neighbor who flips out over the smallest thing, too many children who die because some relative was too stupid to secure their gun in a place that could not be reached by a child, etc. These events are unheard of in our allies. And yes the CDC should be studying in. The NRA and gun lobby in general shouldn’t be able to bully people who want meaningful research into gun violence and they do time and time again not to mention the insidious lies they do by comparing gun control advocates to some of the most evil people in history but gun control advocates are the bad guys sigh. Anyhow rant done.
The status quo is working well enough for at least half the country, or it wouldn’t be the status quo. Most of us can vote.
If you look at the CDC’s missiong statement. They work to protect America from health, security, and safety threats. Gun violence falls in that realm. Anyhow as much as I would love to chat about this. I gotta get to a one time job I’m doing today.
re: #464 Eclectic Cyborg
Have we really reached an age where we live in fear of everyone?
Only in America.
Semi/
re: #508 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
It is already terrorism to the RW blogosphere and Donald Trump, so we might as well just get used to it.
Of course it is, because….
The other mass shooting that happened [yesterday] today in the United States
The rampage that claimed at least 14 lives in San Bernardino, Calif., isn’t today’s first mass shooting. Here’s news you probably missed: A gunman in Savannah, Ga., shot four people early Wednesday, killing a woman and injuring three men.
re: #526 Dark_Falcon
Sorry DF, but it very much looks like an excuse to use the b-word.
Carly Fiorina on Morning Joke desperately trying to protect the poor, innocent guns. Holy Joe is even calling her bullshit.
re: #535 Nyet
Sorry DF, but it very much looks like an excuse to use the b-word.
You said that much more nicely than I would have. I’m refraining.
Libtards so ghoulish to politicize this random tragedy just to politicize the guns and HEY LOOK SHOOTER NAME IS SYED FAROOK SO ISLAM WHERE WAS OBAMO GOLFING?? CLOSE ALL THE MOSQUES AND BUILD THE WALL!!!
re: #535 Nyet
Sorry DF, but it very much looks like an excuse to use the b-word.
It’s not, but I see how it could look that way. I therefore edited the post to remove the word causing offense:
re: #526 Dark_Falcon
We still need to get to the bottom of it. It could be a ‘blended motive’, if you will: Someone struggling in life who turns to a brand of totalitarianism as the Answer-To-Everything. Then continued thwarting at work plus Al Qaeda and Daesh’s continual incitement of terror attacks and you’ve got the ingredients for mass murder. Making matters even worse would be that in this case the killer indoctrinated his woman and at least one other other person, thereby turning into a cell leader (which likely boosted both his ego and his determination to kill).
This is just a speculation, you understand.
re: #537 Dr. Matt
Carly Fiorina on Morning Joke desperately trying to protect the poor, innocent guns. Holy Joe is even calling her bullshit.
The truth is that there is no lie that Fiorina won’t tell.
Every word out of her mouth is a lie, including the “and’s” and “but’s”.
Even when that witch farts and belches, she lies…
re: #536 I Would Prefer Not To
Asshole newspaper is still run by assholes. The NYDN can FOAD.
re: #516 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Indirectly relevant: I am sure that stricter and better enforced gun control laws would help decrease the number of mass shootings in the US.
Agreed. The easy access and fetishizing of guns has lead to a culture where every conflict can be, and seemingly increasingly is, resolved with a gun.
The fact that this particular incident may not have been directly caused by a lack of sensible gun laws, the culture that we have regarding guns certainly did.
re: #526 Dark_FalconMaking matters even worse would be that in this case the killer indoctrinated his bitch (when she turned terrorist she stopped being a lady and became a bitch in my eyes) and at least one other other person, thereby turning into a cell leader (which likely boosted both his ego and his determination to kill).
You really are a Trump supporter, you misogynistic prick.
re: #542 Dark_Falcon
Asshole newspaper is still run by assholes. The NYDN can FOAD.
Is the “asshole newspaper” run by bitches?
re: #542 Dark_Falcon
Asshole newspaper is still run by assholes. The NYDN can FOAD.
…even though they endorsed Romney in 2012?????
re: #543 Franklin
Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.
re: #540 Dark_Falcon
It’s not, but I see how it could look that way. I therefore edited the post to remove the word causing offense:
“…his woman…”
He owned her?
re: #542 Dark_Falcon
Asshole newspaper is still run by assholes. The NYDN can FOAD.
Why because they criticized the empty rhetoric offered by your party’s leaders and called for them to actually do something? They’re right. God ain’t fixing this. We are or we are not ultimately.
re: #548 Nyet
Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.
Insanely perverse.
re: #548 Nyet
Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.
So true, my friends in Europe have PLENTY of words to describe the American obsession with the Iron Penis…
re: #548 Nyet
Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.
It is something else isn’t it. I can’t imagine how silly we look setting Black Friday gun sales records yet again.
re: #548 Nyet
Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.
Obsession. Worship. Complete and utter devotion to a steel god of power and retribution.
re: #548 Nyet
Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.
Just poor risk management.
re: #553 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)
Rieseneisenersatzschwanzsyndrom.
re: #555 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Obsession. Worship. Complete and utter devotion to a steel god of power and retribution.
The most creepy thing to me is when they try to frame it in religious terms. That one always rubbed me the worst.
This madness with guns is going to continue until the guns are turned on the rich. When a bunch of rich folks get shot up you’ll finally see a 180 degree turnaround on this insanity.
re: #559 Joe Bacon
This madness with guns is going to continue until the guns are turned on the rich. When a bunch of rich folks get shot up you’ll finally see a 180 degree turnaround on this insanity.
Optimist. The near-martyrdom of St. Ronnie barely moved the needle.
re: #555 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Obsession. Worship. Complete and utter devotion to a steel god of power and retribution.
Good choice of words.
re: #543 Franklin
Agreed. The easy access and fetishizing of guns has lead to a culture where every conflict can, and seemingly increasingly can, be resolved with a gun.
The fact that this particular incident may not have been directly caused by a lack of sensible gun laws, the culture that we have regarding guns certainly did.
We do know for a fact that they didn’t second hand smoke all those people. Or swimming pool them.
re: #557 Nyet
Rieseneisenersatzschwanzsyndrom.
Maybe this is one case where it doesn’t “sound better in the original German”” ??
re: #562 darthstar
We do know for a fact that they didn’t second hand smoke all those people. Or swimming pool them.
Sorry, had to edit my response since it made no sense as typed!
What you said is true and hopefully the spirit of my post you replied to made sense!
Now the librul media is going to spend the next week demanding that Muslims apologize for this shooting. But, the “motive is still unknown” when it comes to Planned Parenthood shooter.
We’re overthinking again. Guns are instantaneous localized power. That is enormously attractive to a lot of people, particularly the powerless.
The truly depressing thing is that we know this is going to happen again within a day or a week.
And once again, Republicans will bullshit about praying for the victims and their families. Then they’ll go back to the NRA lobbyists and kneel before them…
re: #562 darthstar
We do know for a fact that they didn’t second hand smoke all those people. Or swimming pool them.
So what law would have prevented it? Save for a universal gun ban. Which is as realistic as a unicorn…
re: #38 Dr. Matt
Well, I am a scientist and last time I checked there are limited number of orifices on the human body…..just saying…
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But you never know when you have friends over. ////////////////////////////
re: #569 lawhawk
But you never know when you have friends over. ////////////////////////////
lol. I woke up with numerous replies debunking my sarcastic dildo tweet.
Note to self: never criticize someone’s dildo collection in the future
re: #568 Nyet
So what law would have prevented it? Save for a universal gun ban. Which is as realistic as a unicorn…
Ban them? We are not even allowed to fund studies of their consequences.
re: #549 Sionainn
“…his woman…”
He owned her?
Best I could do at the time. It turns out they were married, but I didn’t know that at the time of the edit. And until I knew, either ‘wife’ or ‘girlfriend’ might have been incorrect.
I’ll also say that if this dirtbag was a Wahabbi/Salafist, which seems likely at this point, then it is highly probable he did see himself as owning his wife.
re: #568 Nyet
So what law would have prevented it? Save for a universal gun ban. Which is as realistic as a unicorn…
The assault weapons ban that congress let expire a couple of years ago would have helped make this less likely - not prevented, but reduced the chances - as thousands of assault weapons have been manufactured and sold (usually in larger quantities after a mass shooting).
re: #570 Dr. Matt
lol. I woke up with numerous replies debunking my sarcastic dildo tweet.
Note to self: never criticize someone’s dildo collection in the future
Hahaha you’ll pry their dildos from their sweaty palms!
Of course it’s a conspiracy….
Alex Jones: San Bernardino Mass Shooting “Appears To Be Geared To Elicit Widespread Public Outrage” https://t.co/C2GRZ8N9MD
— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) December 3, 2015
re: #569 lawhawk
But you never know when you have friends over. ////////////////////////////
“Never let your girlfriend move her toothbrush dildo into your apartment. Always give her a fresh one, preferably from a six-pack”.
—some ’60s comic
Is it San Bernadino or San Bernardino? I’m seeing both spellings.
re: #574 HappyWarrior
Hahaha you’ll pry their dildos from their sweaty palms!
Or from their _____________ [fill in the blank]
:)
re: #572 Dark_Falcon
Best I could do at the time. It turns out they were married, but I didn’t know that at the time of the edit. And until I knew, either ‘wife’ or ‘girlfriend’ might have been incorrect.
I’ll also say that if this dirtbag was a Wahabbi/Salafist, which seems likely at this point, then it is highly probable he did see himself as owning his wife.
He could also be Christian or Jewish. Just because he has an Arab name doesn’t give you the right to start labeling him and his partner with whatever fantasy anti-terror fanfic you have running through your mind. Upthread you called him a ‘cell leader’…you’re so far ahead of Breitbart and Fox right now you sound like fucking John McCain.
re: #540 Dark_Falcon
I notice you didn’t use nasty language toward the males involved in this. Also, you’re making it sound like this woman had no independent thought or action of her own making. Sure, she could have been abused and went along with him, but you know, you’re assuming a lot.
I said this yesterday about prayer: Alone, it doesn’t do a blessed thing. Nothing. Uttered without engagement or a plan of action, it’s meaningless. It makes the one offering the prayer feel like they’ve covered it because Jesus said so. NOPE. The purpose of prayer is to inspire actions. People coming together in prayer gives them the PERFECT opportunity to sit together and reflect as well as come up with real world solutions to the problems that caused the need for prayer in the first place. Getting all offended about your religion being attacked, when in fact that wasn’t what the point was AT ALL, speaks to the sense of guilt and defensiveness do nothing Christians feel. NOT ALL CHRISTIANS, just the ones who run their mouths and don’t help. ESPECIALLY the ones in positions of power who spout this shit one minute and take a check from the gun lobby the next.
re: #561 Dr. Matt
Good choice of words.
The true gun nuts believe that guns have a magical power to protect their owners against all enemies, foreign and domestic. It’s the same kind of belief early Christians had in the relics of the saints, to name one example. A gun is a talisman that envelops the user in a protective bubble, giving him or her supernatural strength, reflexes and wisdom. With a gun, all things are possible. All you need do is surrender to their mighty power.
San BernaRdino. OK.
Now I’m reading the suspects had a 6-month-old infant they left with a babysitter while they did their mass murder.
I just can’t even.
Here’s a shocker:
Top 10 recipients of money from pro-gun groups in 2016: pic.twitter.com/OMHxjG9API
— igorvolsky (@igorvolsky) December 3, 2015
My surprised face. Let me show you.
The GOP doesn’t want people studying or doing statistical analysis of firearms injuries/fatalities, and seeks to limit the collection of data that would be useful. That includes data that might show excessive force incidents by police forces nationally.
The GOP offers up only prayers, and mealy mouthed claims that they’ll support increased mental health services, but when push comes to shove - they cut health care services further.
Democrats have to do more, but when they’re the minority party in Congress, it’s hard to move forward. Then again, they didn’t exactly act on firearms when they were in the majority either.
re: #578 The Vicious Babushka
Is it San Bernadino or San Bernardino? I’m seeing both spellings.
Saint Bernard - San Bernardino.
re: #574 HappyWarrior
Hahaha you’ll pry their dildos from their sweaty palms!
There is a similar law in Arizona. Basically, a state legislator tried to ban sex shops in general, and when that legislation failed, she felt that she had to push through some sort of legislation to restrict them.
You know, even my girlfriend, who has a large collection (large enough to be illegal in TX or AZ) is not so completely obsessed with them that she devotes weeks and months of her time thinking and deliberating about them, as those AZ and TX legislators obviously did.
In other unrelated news, my ex-girlfriend from Tucson is now an assistant attorney general in Arizona and was one of the main authors of AZ’s now overturned anti-gay marriage legislation…
Has Trump taken out Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik’s families yet? ////
re: #578 The Vicious Babushka
Is it San Bernadino or San Bernardino? I’m seeing both spellings.
re: #584 lawhawk
Here’s a shocker:
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My surprised face. Let me show you.
The GOP doesn’t want people studying or doing statistical analysis of firearms injuries/fatalities, and seeks to limit the collection of data that would be useful. That includes data that might show excessive force incidents by police forces nationally.
The GOP offers up only prayers, and mealy mouthed claims that they’ll support increased mental health services, but when push comes to shove - they cut health care services further.
Democrats have to do more, but when they’re the minority party in Congress, it’s hard to move forward. Then again, they didn’t exactly act on firearms when they were in the majority either.
Those numbers are so low (car-dealer donations) that they must be a direct campaign donation. The real flow is to the PACs.
re: #585 darthstar
Saint Bernard - San Bernardino.
Saint Bernardino, I’m sorry. 15th century Catholic evangelist.
Q&A about the suspects in deadly California shooting
WHO ARE THE SUSPECTS AND HOW DID THEY MEET?
Farook was born in Illinois and raised in Southern California, said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. His family is originally from Pakistan, Ayloush said. Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia earlier this year and returned with a wife, said co-worker Patrick Baccari, who attended the holiday party Wednesday but was in the bathroom when the shooting started. Baccari says Farook was gone for about a month in the spring, and when he returned word got around Farook had been married. The woman he described as a pharmacist joined him in the U.S. shortly afterward, and they soon had a baby. Police described Malik as Farook’s wife or fiancee.
re: #568 Nyet
So what law would have prevented it? Save for a universal gun ban. Which is as realistic as a unicorn…
There’s no one law that prevents people dying in car accidents. But in the last 50 years we’ve gotten seat belt laws, airbags, stricter drunk driving limits, put speed bumps and red lights and guardrails in places they didn’t used to be, changed what kind of glass can be used for windshields, put better shielding around gas tanks… the rate of car accident deaths is half what it used to be.
Ben Shapiro is still tweeting shit about “leftists” of his imagination, how they all think alike the exact same thoughts, you know, in one homogeneous mass.
re: #560 Decatur Deb
Optimist. The near-martyrdom of St. Ronnie barely moved the needle.
In large part because Ronald Reagan did not want that needle to move. he didn’t react to being shot with a revolver by trying to ban revolvers, he reacted by carrying a revolver himself.
note: In a nice irony, I had to link to a New York Daily News article despite my anger at that newspaper. Most of the links for the story of Reagan’s concealed .38 Special lead to gun sites or to right-of-center sites that have credibility or asshole problems worse than the NYDN. So I linked to the Daily News because I would never link to breitbart.com.
Wha?
Michael Werner fox news expert: “well, when one of the shooters is a woman, you really have to look at feminism in this country”
— ericajanes (@ericajanes) December 3, 2015
re: #578 The Vicious Babushka
Is it San Bernadino or San Bernardino? I’m seeing both spellings.
The second spelling is right, but it’s pronounced Saberdoo.
re: #591 Dr. Matt
The woman he described as a pharmacist
CCJ’s HAW is also a pharmacist. Is there some Pharma Professionals Matchmaking site out there?
re: #595 Dark_Falcon
In large part because Ronald Reagan did not want that needle to move. he didn’t react to being shot with a revolver by trying to ban revolvers, he reacted by carrying a revolver himself.
If a person regularly receives threats of assassination, as RWR or MLK did, they have every reason to arm themselves.
re: #597 sagehen
The second spelling is right, but it’s pronounced Saberdoo.
Like that city in Canada I frequently visit, called Tranna by those who live there.
re: #596 darthstar
Wha?
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Jesus fuck, someone suggested that would be one of the responses yesterday, facetiously. These assholes are shameless and impossible to parody.
re: #572 Dark_Falcon
Best I could do at the time. It turns out they were married, but I didn’t know that at the time of the edit. And until I knew, either ‘wife’ or ‘girlfriend’ might have been incorrect.
I’ll also say that if this dirtbag was a Wahabbi/Salafist, which seems likely at this point, then it is highly probable he did see himself as owning his wife.
Your clarifications are only digging you into a deeper hole. My suggestion is to stop.
re: #580 darthstar
I refer you to Dr. Matt’s post, DS. We cannot yet say for certain that this was a terrorist act, but it is confirmed that the killers were Muslim:
re: #591 Dr. Matt
WHO ARE THE SUSPECTS AND HOW DID THEY MEET?
Farook was born in Illinois and raised in Southern California, said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. His family is originally from Pakistan, Ayloush said. Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia earlier this year and returned with a wife, said co-worker Patrick Baccari, who attended the holiday party Wednesday but was in the bathroom when the shooting started. Baccari says Farook was gone for about a month in the spring, and when he returned word got around Farook had been married. The woman he described as a pharmacist joined him in the U.S. shortly afterward, and they soon had a baby. Police described Malik as Farook’s wife or fiancee.
re: #596 darthstar
Wha?
Michael Werner fox news expert: “well, when one of the shooters is a woman, you really have to look at feminism in this country”
7:51 AM - 3 Dec 2015
Well, when both shooters have a baby, you really have to look at parents in this country.
Well, when both shooters are married to each other, you really have to look at marriage in this country.
Well, when one of shooters is a public health official, you really have to look at public health officials in this country.
re: #578 The Vicious Babushka
Is it San Bernadino or San Bernardino? I’m seeing both spellings.
According to Frank Zappa, it’s San Ber’dino.
Edit: tip o’ the hat to Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) for beating me to it
re: #605 Dr. Matt
Well, when both shooters have a baby, you really have to look at parents in this country.
Well, when both shooters are married to each other, you really have to look at marriage in this country.
Well, when one of shooters is a public health official, you really have to look at public health officials in this country.
a riff on your #2:
When the married couple were male and female, you really have to look at hetero marriage in this country.
re: #603 Sionainn
Your clarifications are only digging you into a deeper hole. My suggestion is to stop.
I’m 6’4”, so I need to dig at least 5’6” to have a proper foxhole. :D
re: #607 Franklin
Well, when both shooters have a baby, you really have to look at parents in this country.
Well, when both shooters are married to each other, you really have to look at marriage in this country.
Well, when one of shooters is a public health official, you really have to look at public health officials in this country.
a riff on your #2:
When the married couple were male and female, you really have to look at hetero marriage in this country.
re: #604 Dark_Falcon
I’m willing to posit, with the minimal amount of evidence I have from reading online, that it wasn’t exactly an act of kindness.
In fact, I thought it was terrorism when I thought the shooters were white Christians. It’s no less terrorism now…but the phrase you want to use, or should, is ‘domestic terrorism’…this is home grown shit. Not Wasabi goo-goo foreign sounding nothing to do with America that we should concern ourselves with crap.
re: #595 Dark_Falcon
In large part because Ronald Reagan did not want that needle to move. he didn’t react to being shot with a revolver by trying to ban revolvers, he reacted by carrying a revolver himself.
Actually, Reagan was already carrying a revolver before he was shot. And he was surrounded by well-trained people also carrying weapons. GGWAG has limited value.
He reacted by supporting the Brady Bill; waiting periods, some limits on who can buy, etc.
re: #611 sagehen
Actually, Reagan was already carrying a revolver before he was shot. And he was surrounded by well-trained people also carrying weapons. GGWAG has limited value.
He reacted by supporting the Brady Bill; waiting periods, some limits on who can buy, etc.
Except that wasn’t signed until Clinton so it doesn’t count. Myth Reagan was a man’s man.
re: #583 The Vicious Babushka
San BernaRdino. OK.
Now I’m reading the suspects had a 6-month-old infant they left with a babysitter while they did their mass murder.
I just can’t even.
According to most accounts I’ve read, it wasn’t a “babysitter” they left their daughter with, but the child’s grandmother (Farook’s mother). I think, though, that she may still have been “at home”, as I read that Farook and his wife “lived with his mother” in the Redlands townhouse: the one that got torn apart looking for explosives.
No reports as to where they are now.
re: #605 Dr. Matt
Well, when both shooters have a baby, you really have to look at parents in this country.
Well, when both shooters are married to each other, you really have to look at marriage in this country.
Well, when one of shooters is a public health official, you really have to look at public health officials in this country.
Impeccable logic.
re: #614 Sionainn
Something wrong with the quote machine? I had the same issue quoting that same post. Had to edit to move the end quote tag.
re: #606 De Kolta Chair
According to Frank Zappa, it’s San Ber’dino.
Edit: tip o’ the hat to Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) for beating me to it
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Seems like a lot of us had the same idea here….
re: #611 sagehen
Actually, Reagan was already carrying a revolver before he was shot. And he was surrounded by well-trained people also carrying weapons. GGWAG has limited value.
He reacted by supporting the Brady Bill; waiting periods, some limits on who can buy, etc.
Which has been eroded since.
re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg
I do quite a bit of beta reading, and would be happy to look it over.