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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:12:44pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:12:59pm

If this doesn’t push Trump to 50% nothing will. This is his Reichstag Fire.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:13:14pm

Eye Witless News still going on about “terrorism”. Mentions “ISIS”.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:13:17pm

Evidence suggests that Syed Farook was an environmental health specialist with the Department of Public Health of San Bernardino County, which was the group hosting the holiday party that was attacked.

So of course this is terrorism and not at all workplace violence.

Sigh.

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Reality Based Steve  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:13:54pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

If this doesn’t push Trump to 50% nothing will. This is his Reichstag Fire.

I wish I could say you are wrong, but I find myself nodding in agreement. /damn

RBS

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Joe Bacon  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:14:57pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

If this doesn’t push Trump to 50% nothing will. This is his Reichstag Fire.

I’m afraid your undershooting that level!

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:16:49pm

Conspiracy nuts starting to come out in droves on twitter….

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:16:56pm

From below, you can go to this page sbcounty.gov and search for “Syed” to see all the reports filed by Syed Farook who was working as an REHS employee for the San Bernardino County Department of Public Health. This was the same agency that was attacked today at the Inland Regional Center. If 2+2=4, this may be a case of workplace violence/revenge.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:17:46pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

If this doesn’t push Trump to 50% nothing will. This is his Reichstag Fire.

Then we will have more work to do. This isn’t going to be an election where you send 5 bucks to the good guy.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:18:06pm

Eyewitless News guest now telling Americans to report your neighbors if they’re in the garage building stuff…..

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:18:32pm

50% may be too low for Trump.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:18:53pm
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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:18:59pm

re: #10 freetoken

Eyewitless News guest now telling Americans to report your neighbors if they’re in the garage building stuff…..

That’s what Donald said to do. I’m sure he’ll be pleased with them.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:19:11pm
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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:19:43pm

re: #10 freetoken

Eyewitless News guest now telling Americans to report your neighbors if they’re in the garage building stuff…..

I always think of this now when spying on people comes up

What’s He Building?

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:19:44pm

Now studio talking head jumping in….

REPORT YOUR NEIGHBORS!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:19:52pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

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There’s something really wrong about that.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:20:22pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:20:23pm

re: #16 freetoken

Fuck US news.

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:20:56pm

re: #19 The War TARDIS

Every station is Fox News now.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:21:01pm

Eyewitless studio talking heads going all in on the report-your-neighbor motif….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:21:28pm

Look for communists under the bed too while you’re at it.

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:21:35pm

Perhaps he did work there but lost his job and took a job as a restaurant tech (whatever that is), possibly cutting his income in half or more. In CA, which is really expensive, that could cause desperation and a desire for revenge.

Who knows…pure speculation.

It’s going to suck how fearmongers are going to whip up the masses. Yet gun sales will soar and more will die.

It’s a shame we fear the wrong thing.

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Tigger2  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:22:02pm

re: #18 Dr. Matt

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Desmond  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:22:11pm

re: #4 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So of course this is terrorism and not at all workplace violence.

Sigh.

Klys, first we need to wait and make sure the info is correct, but if it’s workplace violence, one doesn’t usually bring along two friends with automatic weapons and explosive devices.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:22:22pm

re: #23 WhatEVs

Perhaps he did work there but lost his job and took a job as a restaurant tech (whatever that is), possibly cutting his income in half or more. In CA, which is really expensive, that could cause desperation and a desire for revenge.

Who knows…pure speculation.

It’s going to suck how fearmongers are going to whip up the masses. Yet gun sales will soar and more will die.

It’s a shame we fear the wrong thing.

If this was revenge, this guy should have known what repercussions it could have for the rest of the Muslim community… especially almost 3 weeks AFTER Paris. Jesus Christ.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:22:33pm

re: #23 WhatEVs

His last report was done on 11-14 of last year.

Awfully long time for revenge.

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Lancelot Link  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:22:43pm

re: #18 Dr. Matt

Prude.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:22:51pm

Farook said he hasn’t seen his son in some time.

“He was very religious. He would go to work, come back, go to pray, come back. He’s Muslim

i wonder how much the wall will soak up any remaining unemployment

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:22:51pm

RWNJS: “Its too early to call it terrorism.”

Suspect has Middle Eastern name.

RWNJS: “SEE! IT WAS TOTALLY TERROR!”

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:22:54pm

re: #23 WhatEVs

Perhaps he did work there but lost his job and took a job as a restaurant tech (whatever that is), possibly cutting his income in half or more. In CA, which is really expensive, that could cause desperation and a desire for revenge.

Who knows…pure speculation.

It’s going to suck how fearmongers are going to whip up the masses. Yet gun sales will soar and more will die.

It’s a shame we fear the wrong thing.

Simple answer—he was a county health inspector of restaurants.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:23:08pm

re: #25 Desmond

Yes, we know you want to blame Muslims.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:23:32pm

re: #18 Dr. Matt

You know this for a fact?

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:23:41pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

Every station is Fox News now.

Sure seems that way. I can’t wait for that liberal oasis, home of Morning Joe’s, take on things.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:23:47pm

re: #30 Kragar

RWNJS: “Its too early to call it terrorism.”

Suspect has Middle Eastern name.

RWNJS: “SEE! IT WAS TOTALLY TERROR!”

This entire day is the kind of thing that’s going to drive me to take up drinking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:24:32pm

jeebus, the Daily Beast story is so full of crap.
Looks like they just pulled anything they could find through google searches and went around knocking on doors all over the place and calling people looking for someone to admit they are related to the guy.
The name (even with that specific spelling) is not uncommon on the google machine for a bunch of different people.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:25:14pm

re: #36 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus, the Daily Beast story is so full of crap.
Looks like they just pulled anything they could find through google searches and went around knocking on doors all over the place and calling people looking for someone to admit they are related to the guy.
The name (even with that specific spelling) is not uncommon on the google machine for a bunch of different people.

A shame, since I always thought The Daily Beast was above that crap.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:25:19pm

re: #33 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

You know this for a fact?

Well, I am a scientist and last time I checked there are limited number of orifices on the human body…..just saying…

// :)

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:26:35pm

There was a link in last thread where you could see three people by that name working for the State of California. It even had a breakdown of his pay and how much of it was benefits. The reports he filed were dated up to a couple of weeks ago.

Him showing up at the party and then leaving fits as last-minute reconnaissance. If his brother was involved and this really was a family thing, it could be radicalization at work.

I hate this stuff, not just because it’s awful, but because my analytical mind can’t switch off and until there’s a motive announced it’s hard for me to let the problem go. I’m not a “Stuff Happens” guy, so I guess no Presidential run for me!

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:26:38pm

And then there’s this:

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:27:15pm

re: #38 Dr. Matt

Well, I am a scientist and last time I checked there are limited number of orifices on the human body…..just saying…

// :)

Variety, it’s the spice of life

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StephenMeansMe  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:27:21pm

Ugggghhh. I think the odds still favor workplace violence or survivalist type anti-government crap. But of course everyone on the right seems to be almost gleeful over this little detail.

Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:27:49pm

re: #26 electrotek

If this was revenge, this guy should have known what repercussions it could have for the rest of the Muslim community… especially almost 3 weeks AFTER Paris. Jesus Christ.

It’s nothing but selfish to kill others for whatever reason. I doubt that he’d give one single shit.

I have a hard time believing if it is workplace violence that 14 dead and more injured personally affronted him. So he, for whatever reason, selfishly killed and shot up a boatload of people. Why would he care about anyone else.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:28:07pm

re: #40 freetoken

And then there’s this:

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Meh, those blowhards love to take credit for anything

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:29:22pm

This named suspect…is he deceased or in custody??

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:30:20pm

re: #42 StephenMeansMe

Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?

Actually no.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:30:54pm

re: #45 Jenner7

This named suspect…is he deceased or in custody??

Both the man and woman are dead.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:30:58pm

re: #45 Jenner7

This named suspect…is he deceased or in custody??

Dead. He was the male killed in the first shootout earlier today.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:31:03pm

re: #45 Jenner7

This named suspect…is he deceased or in custody??

unknown

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Desmond  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:31:29pm

re: #32 The War TARDIS

re: #32 The War TARDIS

Yes, we know you want to blame Muslims.

Huh? What are you on about? We don’t know yet what the exact motivations were but I’m pointing out that this doesn’t ring “workplace violence”.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:31:49pm

re: #42 StephenMeansMe

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Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?

Wasn’t he the Snowden-loving dudebro that sent out pics of his schlong?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:31:59pm

re: #25 Desmond

Typically workplace violence doesn’t result in escalation to the point of 14 people killed either. (This actually ties for the deadliest workplace violence in the US.)

I could absolutely see someone stewing about a perceived wrong with a family member and significant other and this being the result.

It’s just as possible as terrorism at this point, and I think slightly more likely because it answers the question of why that target, based on the currently available evidence.

Also I’m not really as terrified of Islamic terrorists as the media would apparently like me to be. Or the GOP. So I don’t really see them as behind every major attack when America does just fine at producing its own set of mass shooters on a regular basis.

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No Depression  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:32:11pm

re: #42 StephenMeansMe

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Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?

It takes a sick fuck to gloat over the deaths of 14 people.

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:32:30pm

re: #42 StephenMeansMe

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Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?

Smart guys don’t share their dick pics in a public forum.

Carson is a fucking brain surgeon but is as smart as a fern.

Just sayin’.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:32:37pm

re: #26 electrotek

If this was revenge, this guy should have known what repercussions it could have for the rest of the Muslim community… especially almost 3 weeks AFTER Paris. Jesus Christ.

If he’s following ISIS ideology, then all the Muslims who AREN’T killing people are the ones who are in the wrong, so fuck them anyway. “92% of ISIS victims are Muslim” was the stat I saw floating around Twitter the other day.

The only repercussion they care about is the Apocalypse made flesh.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:32:43pm

re: #50 Desmond

You keep harping about how it must be Islamist Terror.

No one who is that single-minded about proving something without having an agenda.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:32:47pm

And this:

“Breaking! ISIS Celebrating Success Of San Bernardino Attack! Obama Should Be Impeached!”

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jaunte  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:33:00pm

re: #42 StephenMeansMe

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Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?

He won’t look that way when the next shooter is actually named JimBob.

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TedStriker  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:33:55pm

re: #42 StephenMeansMe

Ugggghhh. I think the odds still favor workplace violence or survivalist type anti-government crap. But of course everyone on the right seems to be almost gleeful over this little detail.

Schindler’s supposed to be pretty smart, right?

I don’t view a grown-ass man who has texted pics of their dick as “smart”.

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Blizard  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:33:59pm

I just got back from a loooong walk. So, this seems to me like a terrorist plot that happened to take place at a former place of employment? Am I wrong in thinking that?

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Tigger2  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:34:02pm

Well maybe I will think again about it being someone that was at the meeting/party got mad left and came back. Just because he was there doesn’t mean he wasn’t ready for this and had his friends ready if things didn’t go his way.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:35:06pm

re: #27 The War TARDIS

His last report was done on 11-14 of last year.

Awfully long time for revenge.

Maybe I’m doing a search incorrectly, but when I did a search on the inspection types that he was doing, there weren’t any at all after Nov 14 2014. It may be just a case of the state not publishing the forms in a timely fashion.

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Desmond  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:35:27pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Actually no.

Schindler knows his history/CI stuff but he has a special hard on for what he dismissively calls “social justice warriors”, and his views on race relations are…eyebrow raising to say the least. When that black guy shot the reporter on live TV a few months back, he was going apeshit over how it was going to ignite a race war and Black Lives Matter was finished, etc.

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Belafon  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:35:28pm

re: #58 jaunte

He won’t look that way when the next shooter is actually named JimBob.

Or Robert Dear.

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No Depression  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:36:29pm

re: #57 freetoken

And this:

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“Breaking! ISIS Celebrating Success Of San Bernardino Attack! Obama Should Be Impeached!”

These Daesh fucks really know how to pull our strings. They derive more power from their imagined numbers than their actual numbers.

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:36:46pm

re: #34 WhatEVs

You think they’ll manage to find time for a Trump call in?

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:36:50pm

re: #60 Blizard

I just got back from a loooong walk. So, this seems to me like a terrorist plot that happened to take place at a former place of employment? Am I wrong in thinking that?

I don’t think so. Looks like it’s hovering right in a gray area at the moment, it has a little bit of everything. It was structured like a modern terrorist attack, but the target choice looks personal rather than political.

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StephenMeansMe  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:36:52pm

Maybe a better word than “supposed” is “alleged.” There’s always a pattern with the “smart conservative” types, that actually stay conservative even after the past decade and a half.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:37:03pm

re: #64 Belafon

Or Robert Dear.

Seriously my Dad is a bearded middle aged white guy. I haven’t seen anyone stop to give him grief because of what Dear did.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:37:53pm

re: #68 StephenMeansMe

Maybe a better word than “supposed” is “alleged.” There’s always a pattern with the “smart conservative” types, that actually stay conservative even after the past decade and a half.

I think you mean one of those types like Krauthammer who is supposedly better than some of the big time hacks?

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:39:17pm

re: #66 Skip Intro

You think they’ll manage to find time for a Trump call in?

I’d lay money in it. Joe gets wood overT.rumph.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:39:28pm

And this:

The identity of one of the attackers at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California has been identified as Syed Farook. He has been identified by his father as a devoutly religious Muslim. The name is being reported by the LA Times, CBS News, and shockingly the Daily Beast.

The media was quick to say that Farook is a U.S. citizen, though the Fort Hood terrorist, Nidal Malik Hassan, was also a U.S. citizen who committed jihad on base murdering 13 fellow soldiers.

Pamela Geller posted a picture of Farook on her website and said this simply confirmed her reports from hours before. It confirms as well the report of PolitiStick from police scanners and counter-terrorism experts.

This confirms the report based upon police scanners and sources of counter-terrorism experts who appeared on The O’Reilly Factor that one of the attackers was Middle Eastern. The name, as was previously stated, was simply reversed.

FOX News’ Adam Housley has also said that the other attacker also has “a weird name.” They will still not say whether this was terrorism, but are instead stressing that Farook was an American citizen.

[…]

This is gold for Trump.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:39:36pm

Rod Dreher is going to be telling his audience about “race realist” John Derbyshire again tomorrow and bookend his screeds with quotes from Steve Sailer and Gates of Vienna. Teh Mooslims are coming because Post Enlightenment civilization doesn’t have enough mojo to hold off the “savages” (he really likes that word) and dammit…you better start going back to church if you don’t want your daughters being sold to a harem.

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Blizard  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:40:38pm

re: #67 Pawn of the Oppressor

Right. It’s been hard to follow but admittedly I had to shut the computer for awhile.

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StephenMeansMe  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:40:56pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I guess the threshold is just really low after so much relentless anti-intellectualism. Too bad it doesn’t help.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:40:59pm

re: #72 freetoken

re: #73 Aunty Entity Dragon

We will see a major, anti-Muslim attack before Christmas.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:41:16pm

Oh for fuck’s sake: Syed Farook Murderer

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:42:33pm

re: #76 The War TARDIS

We will see a major, anti-Muslim attack before Christmas.

Hope not. God forbid if an American Baruch Goldstein emerges.

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Reality Based Steve  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:42:53pm

I’m outta here gang. There is nothing I can contribute, the vast majority of the facts aren’t in yet, I’m not going to muddy my mind until there is enough information to draw reasonable conclusions, not just inferences.

Probably be back tomorrow evening, for some reason I’m thinking I’ve got some work-related thing tomorrow night, but can’t find it on my calendar. Which doesn’t mean a darn thing.

Love, Peace and a long sad Sigh for the state of Humanity today.

RBS

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:43:40pm

You know what after WWII and we saw that the German government killed millions of innocent people, we did NOT, I repeat did NOT hold all Germans collectively responsible. We did not harass those with German last names, we did not harass Lutherans, etc. We realized that individuals committed those acts. An individual committed this act.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:44:38pm

re: #75 StephenMeansMe

I guess the threshold is just really low after so much relentless anti-intellectualism. Too bad it doesn’t help.

Yeah I think you’re right unfortunately.

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makeitstop  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:45:43pm

re: #65 No Depression

These Daesh fucks really know how to pull our strings. They derive more power from their imagined numbers than their actual numbers.

Ain’t it the truth. They know that a certain political party (cough) has got stupid Americans afraid of their own shadows.

They learned that lesson from bin Laden, and they learned it well.

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Teukka  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:45:48pm

Now, what if SB police said “Said Fuck” on the scanner in reference to the perp(s), but reich wingers heard what they wanted to hear?

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:45:55pm
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Cheechako  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:46:28pm

I’ve been sitting here thinking about the future. Any type of “terrorist” attack in the week or so before the Presidential election would be a disaster for this Country. The US would never be the same. The inmates will have taken over the asylum.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:46:29pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

You know what after WWII and we saw that the German government killed millions of innocent people, we did NOT, I repeat did NOT hold all Germans collectively responsible. We did not harass those with German last names, we did not harass Lutherans, etc. We realized that individuals committed those acts. An individual committed this act.

On the flipside, we DID hold all Japanese (and no doubt other Asians) collectively responsible for Pearl Harbor. So…yeah….

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Dr. Matt  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:46:37pm
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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:46:59pm

I’m leaning heavily towards workplace violence than religiously-inspired terrorism though. You know if it was religiously inspired they wouldn’t hesitate to use religious rhetoric on their victims as they have done elsewhere.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:47:52pm

re: #86 Kryptik

On the flipside, we DID hold all Japanese (and no doubt other Asians) collectively responsible for Pearl Harbor. So…yeah….

And on Life Magazine, there was even a feature on one issue that aimed to show the facial and physical differences between our Chinese allies and the Japanese enemy during that time period.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:47:57pm

re: #87 Dr. Matt

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Welp. Here we go. Fun talking to you guys, but the crazy’s going to come out of the woodworks with full media sanction here soon.

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gwangung  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:48:02pm

re: #88 electrotek

I’m leaning heavily towards workplace violence than religiously-inspired terrorism though. You know if it was religiously inspired they wouldn’t hesitate to use religious rhetoric on their victims as they have done elsewhere.

Possibly…but it will make no difference with the fearful.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:48:16pm

re: #88 electrotek

But… but.. supposedly his father said Sayed was a very religious Muslim.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:48:20pm

re: #88 electrotek

They would have stayed in place, taken hostages like in Paris.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:48:29pm

re: #86 Kryptik

On the flipside, we DID hold all Japanese (and no doubt other Asians) collectively responsible for Pearl Harbor. So…yeah….

You’re right. I guess my point is so many white Americans who want to do this to Muslims would have been aghast if it was done to them or their ancestors. The blaming an entire group is disgusting. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the victims was Muslim.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:48:51pm

re: #88 electrotek

I’m leaning heavily towards workplace violence than religiously-inspired terrorism though. You know if it was religiously inspired they wouldn’t hesitate to use religious rhetoric on their victims as they have done elsewhere.

Agreed but the guy’s name will be enough for the right to howl about. Plus work place violence, much like domestic terrorism is far too complicated for the simpletons in the media.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:49:07pm

re: #72 freetoken

And this:

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This is gold for Trump.

That’s the same photo that the Daily Beast used and they identified him as a business tax specialist, not the environmental health person.
Is it the suspect? Right now I’m not convinced.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:49:07pm

re: #78 electrotek

My faith in the US was broken by the response to the Paris attacks, and apparently, so was my parents as well.

They are openly talking about moving to Norway very seriously if Trump wins (Dad is Grandson of a Norwegian). Because of increasing hyper-sensitivity issues, that is a complete non-starter.

I have considered France, though one Muslim friend from there has said it is bad.

But probably not as bad as the US, where Republicans are openly taking about Special Identification for Muslims, and putting Muslims in Camps. Or as bad as Britain, where Salafists and Deobandis have infested the Muslim Community there.

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No Depression  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:49:59pm

re: #85 Cheechako

I’ve been sitting here thinking about the future. Any type of “terrorist” attack in the week or so before the Presidential election would be a disaster for this Country. The US would never be the same. The inmates will have taken over the asylum.

The scary thing is that Daesh probably knows this too.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:50:27pm

Understatement of the year.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:50:41pm

Eyewitless News feed seems to be broken.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:51:29pm

re: #97 The War TARDIS

My faith in the US was broken by the response to the Paris attacks, and apparently, so was my parents as well.

They are openly talking about moving to Norway very seriously if Trump wins (Dad is Grandson of a Norwegian). Because of increasing hyper-sensitivity issues, that is a complete non-starter.

I have considered France, though one Muslim friend from there has said it is bad.

But probably not as bad as the US, where Republicans are openly taking about Special Identification for Muslims, and putting Muslims in Camps. Or as bad as Britain, where Salafists and Deobandis have infested the Muslim Community there.

US is still better than a lot of industrialized nations though. In spite of everything we still have more rights than we would if we were in Germany or the Persian Gulf states.

I wouldn’t want to be in Australia right now, with two anniversaries around the corner: the 1st anniversary of the Sydney coffee shop siege and the 10th anniversary of the Cronulla Beach riots.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:51:38pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

You’re right. I guess my point is so many white Americans who want to do this to Muslims would have been aghast if it was done to them or their ancestors. The blaming an entire group is disgusting. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if one of the victims was Muslim.

It’s not going to matter at this rate. The Tribe has spoken, and they’re about to show us just what’s going to happen to the filthy evil Other in our midst. Doesn’t matter who of the Other outright condemns this shit, the backlash is going to drown out everything at this rate, and the media is going to pump it out like cars in a factory.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:52:08pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

Doesn’t matter…

Only thing that matters is that he doesn’t look like an American.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:52:36pm

re: #103 freetoken

Doesn’t matter…

Only thing that matters is that he doesn’t look like an American.

And he’s brown

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:52:38pm

re: #97 The War TARDIS

I should note, my parents are White Christians, and have bounced around denominations.

Dad from Dutch Reformed to Presbyterian to Methodist.

Mom from Unknown Protestant to Catholic to Presbyterian to Methodist.

They aren’t in anyway out of average.

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ipsos  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:52:47pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

You know what after WWII and we saw that the German government killed millions of innocent people, we did NOT, I repeat did NOT hold all Germans collectively responsible. We did not harass those with German last names, we did not harass Lutherans, etc. We realized that individuals committed those acts. An individual committed this act.

Not so much after WWII, but you might want to read up on the reaction to the very large US German community leading up to and during WWI. Lots of names changed, both of people and communities, and what had been a vibrant German-language press in the US pretty much vanished overnight.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:52:49pm

re: #102 Kryptik

It’s not going to matter at this rate. The Tribe has spoken, and they’re about to show us just what’s going to happen to the filthy evil Other in our midst. Doesn’t matter who of the Other outright condemns this shit, the backlash is going to drown out everything at this rate, and the media is going to pump it out like cars in a factory.

Yeah I know. Man I hate this stuff for the Muslim-American community. You guys deserve the same respect as anyone else. You’re Americans.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:52:54pm

re: #97 The War TARDIS

Norway is not so welcoming to emigrants these days.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:53:22pm

re: #88 electrotek

I’m leaning heavily towards workplace violence than religiously-inspired terrorism though. You know if it was religiously inspired they wouldn’t hesitate to use religious rhetoric on their victims as they have done elsewhere.

And, if they are radicalized US citizens religious rhetoric wouldn’t necessarily be a typical response. And, they could have chosen the location because they simply knew a bunch of people would be there.

The only thing that seems for sure is that some assholes used easily accessible weapons to kill a bunch of people

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:53:36pm

re: #99 teleskiguy

Understatement of the year.

Rationality has had a rough monthyear or twoseven.

Mr. Silver is so adorable in his ability to understate things.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:53:38pm

re: #106 ipsos

Not so much after WWII, but you might want to read up on the reaction to the very large US German community leading up to and during WWI. Lots of names changed, both of people and communities, and what had been a vibrant German-language press in the US pretty much vanished overnight.

Oops yeah you are right about that. And I do remember reading about a man that got lynched for speaking German.

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danarchy  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:53:44pm

re: #87 Dr. Matt

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It was Bernard Kerik.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:53:45pm

re: #97 The War TARDIS

My faith in the US was broken by the response to the Paris attacks, and apparently, so was my parents as well.

They are openly talking about moving to Norway very seriously if Trump wins (Dad is Grandson of a Norwegian). Because of increasing hyper-sensitivity issues, that is a complete non-starter.

I have considered France, though one Muslim friend from there has said it is bad.

But probably not as bad as the US, where Republicans are openly taking about Special Identification for Muslims, and putting Muslims in Camps. Or as bad as Britain, where Salafists and Deobandis have infested the Muslim Community there.

I can guarantee you that if anyone in the government tries to have special ID for Muslims or tries to put them in a camp, I’ll be marching in the street, screaming my bloody head off.

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Skip Intro  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:53:53pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s the same photo that the Daily Beast used and they identified him as a business tax specialist, not the environmental health person.
Is it the suspect? Right now I’m not convinced.

Probably not. They also identified him as living in Corona not SB. But really, at this point does it really matter? The important thing is that finally it’s not a white guy. The media is going to love that.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:54:52pm

re: #101 electrotek

My French Friend recommended Australia to me too.

That is also a non-starter.

If Pakistan could get its act together and stop meandering in the wilderness, I would very seriously consider Pakistan too. But Pakistan is having huge, but solvable issues, if the old families and famous idiots could let competent people give a shot at this.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:55:03pm

re: #113 Sionainn

I can guarantee you that if anyone in the government tries to have special ID for Muslims or tries to put them in a camp, I’ll be marching in the street, screaming my bloody head off.

So ironic you mentioned that since out of boredom I watched The Siege for the first time since 1999 which is the last time I saw it on HBO.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:55:43pm

For Saudi Women, ‘Baby Steps Into This World Of Democracy’

It’s election season in Saudi Arabia, and for the first time, women can vote and campaign for seats on local municipal councils. More than 900 women have put themselves forward as candidates. The ballot is next week, in a small and limited step towards democracy.

At a political meeting for women in Riyadh, professors, writers and activists gather to talk about the campaign. There are jugs of strong coffee and a snack table. Smartphones are held close.

Everything is new, says Hatoon al-Fassi, a Saudi professor and leading women’s rights activist. It’s about more than getting the vote; it’s introducing women in this conservative society into public life.

“Being in the public [is] very frightening, very intimidating, very all sorts of things,” she says. “We are doing things from scratch. We are having baby steps into this world of democracy.”

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Timothy Watson  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:56:09pm

re: #112 danarchy

It was Bernard Kerik.

Hannity has no problem having convicted felons on?

Oh wait, he’s friends with Oliver North and G. Gordon Liddy, stupid me.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:56:10pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Yeah I know. Man I hate this stuff for the Muslim-American community. You guys deserve the same respect as anyone else. You’re Americans.

They should be…but they aren’t. Same with Black people. Same with Hispanic people. Same with people who can easily be mistaken for Muslims/Black People/Hispanics. Fuck, same with anyone who isn’t right of Limbaugh at this rate. We’re not Americans. We’re not allowed to BE Americans. We are the Other, we are the invaders, we are the plague, and Real America is clearly about to show us ‘our place’ here soon, and I”m fucking terrified.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:56:19pm

re: #115 The War TARDIS

My French Friend recommended Australia to me too.

That is also a non-starter.

If Pakistan could get its act together and stop meandering in the wilderness, I would very seriously consider Pakistan too. But Pakistan is having huge, but solvable issues, if the old families and famous idiots could let competent people give a shot at this.

Australia is worse now for Muslims than it was years ago.

Pakistan is a joke. I was born there and I sure as fuck wouldn’t want to go back to that shithole, especially when so many of them still venerate a murderer like Mumtaz Qadri and persecute minority groups worse. I would never go back there, period.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:56:51pm

re: #115 The War TARDIS

My French Friend recommended Australia to me too.

That is also a non-starter.

If Pakistan could get its act together and stop meandering in the wilderness, I would very seriously consider Pakistan too. But Pakistan is having huge, but solvable issues, if the old families and famous idiots could let competent people give a shot at this.

HOw’s your Urdu?

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:56:52pm

re: #108 freetoken

More friendly than here.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:57:26pm

re: #116 electrotek

So ironic you mentioned that since out of boredom I watched The Siege for the first time since 1999 which is the last time I saw it on HBO.

I was just thinking about that film a couple weeks ago (probably after Paris), the last time I watched it years ago, it was so eerily.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:57:31pm

re: #115 The War TARDIS

My French Friend recommended Australia to me too.

That is also a non-starter.

If Pakistan could get its act together and stop meandering in the wilderness, I would very seriously consider Pakistan too. But Pakistan is having huge, but solvable issues, if the old families and famous idiots could let competent people give a shot at this.

A white guy in Pakistan? Doesn’t sound like a smart thing to do.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:57:54pm

re: #119 Kryptik

They should be…but they aren’t. Same with Black people. Same with Hispanic people. Same with people who can easily be mistaken for Muslims/Black People/Hispanics. Fuck, same with anyone who isn’t right of Limbaugh at this rate. We’re not Americans. We’re not allowed to BE Americans. We are the Other, we are the invaders, we are the plague, and Real America is clearly about to show us ‘our place’ here soon, and I”m fucking terrified.

Just pisses me off so much. It’s just so fucking wrong.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:58:14pm

re: #116 electrotek

So ironic you mentioned that since out of boredom I watched The Siege for the first time since 1999 which is the last time I saw it on HBO.

I haven’t heard of that. I’ll have to check that out.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:58:55pm

re: #118 Timothy Watson

Hannity has no problem having convicted felons on?

Oh wait, he’s friends with Oliver North and G. Gordon Liddy, stupid me.

He’s also fond of racists too like Mark Fuhrman and I think Hal Turner was the white supremacist ashsole’s name.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:59:08pm

re: #123 Timothy Watson

I was just thinking about that film a couple weeks ago (probably after Paris), the last time I watched it years ago, it was so eerily.

That movie was so unrealistic. I mean, they actually ARRESTED Bruce Willis for doing what needed to be done and saving us from the evil Islamists!

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:59:24pm

re: #126 Sionainn

I haven’t heard of that. I’ll have to check that out.

It was sneered at pretty much at the time.

It looks a bit more accurate now, especially wrt how authorities may suspend civil liberties which plays into the terrorists hands.

(The suicide bombing of a Broadway play is nightmarish. I can still see one woman, deeply in shock and wearing an evening gown walking out of the wreckage with one arm completely blown off)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 7:59:31pm

re: #126 Sionainn

I haven’t heard of that. I’ll have to check that out.

Annettte Benning and Denzel Washington I think. I think I saw it in theaters in Georgetown. Why I remember that, I don’t know. I have a weird memory.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:00:54pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Annettte Benning and Denzel Washington I think. I think I saw it in theaters in Georgetown. Why I remember that, I don’t know. I have a weird memory.

My husband is amazed at the number of movies I have not seen.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:01:18pm

re: #108 freetoken

Norway is not so welcoming to emigrants these days.

Even after Breivik’s massacre that targeted Norwegians??

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:01:28pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I have been planning on learning it. It will be a struggle.

The reason why I was already planning, of course, is because I have gotten so enmeshed with one community, that I see it as inevitable that whoever I meet in the future will likely be from there.

re: #124 Sionainn

I would only go if Pakistan shaped up.

Since that isn’t likely to happen, I won’t. I will still need to learn the language anyway.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:01:54pm

re: #132 electrotek

Even after Breivik’s massacre that targeted Norwegians??

From what I’ve read, immigration is now a touchy subject in Norway.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:02:09pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

And Tony Shaloub as Washington’s Muslim-American partner, who ends up a much needed viewpoint character for the paranoia that results.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:02:09pm

re: #131 Sionainn

My husband is amazed at the number of movies I have not seen.

People are always amazed that I’ve never seen the entirety of the original Star Wars trilogy and Lord of the Rings. i get a lot of weird looks for that and hey you there don’t look at me like that! But a lot of them have never seen the original Day of the Jackal or The Conversation.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:02:14pm

re: #119 Kryptik

They should be…but they aren’t. Same with Black people. Same with Hispanic people. Same with people who can easily be mistaken for Muslims/Black People/Hispanics. Fuck, same with anyone who isn’t right of Limbaugh at this rate. We’re not Americans. We’re not allowed to BE Americans. We are the Other, we are the invaders, we are the plague, and Real America is clearly about to show us ‘our place’ here soon, and I”m fucking terrified.

Might be a good time for all the “others” to dial back identity politics and put some serious effort into coalition (re)building.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:02:34pm

re: #133 The War TARDIS

I have been planning on learning it. It will be a struggle.

The reason why I was already planning, of course, is because I have gotten so enmeshed with one community, that I see it as inevitable that whoever I meet in the future will likely be from there.

I would only go if Pakistan shaped up.

Since that isn’t likely to happen, I won’t. I will still need to learn the language anyway.

Since you have so many Pakistani friends, that will be good because you’ll have plenty of people to practice with.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:02:34pm

re: #132 electrotek

The Conservatives in Norway are just as craven as here.

They are in coalition with the Norwegian version of the Tea Party.

However, it looks like, if the election were held now, the would both lose to Labour again.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:03:05pm

Here’s your Trump supporters:

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:03:20pm

re: #134 freetoken

From what I’ve read, immigration is now a touchy subject in Norway.

I don’t know about Norway specifically, but wasn’t there a high-profile torching of a refugee camp in Sweden?

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:03:21pm

re: #133 The War TARDIS

I have been planning on learning it. It will be a struggle.

The reason why I was already planning, of course, is because I have gotten so enmeshed with one community, that I see it as inevitable that whoever I meet in the future will likely be from there.

I would only go if Pakistan shaped up.

Since that isn’t likely to happen, I won’t. I will still need to learn the language anyway.

I will be honest with you, from a fellow Muslim.

Please don’t be one of those converts who discard their cultural identity in order to fit in. Being Muslim doesn’t mean you adopt Arab or Pakistani or Turkish culture and discard your current one. Think about it bro, how would Islam have spread if we were all to speak Arabic?

Diversity is one thing that shapes the worldwide Ummah, let’s keep it that way homie.

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Timothy Watson  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:03:39pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

People are always amazed that I’ve never seen the entirety of the original Star Wars trilogy and Lord of the Rings. i get a lot of weird looks for that and hey you there don’t look at me like that! But a lot of them have never seen the original Day of the Jackal or The Conversation.

You haven’t seen the original Star Wars trilogy?! Don’t make take your nerd card!

Of course, I shouldn’t talk, I thought the LOTR trilogy was beyond boring.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:03:43pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

People are always amazed that I’ve never seen the entirety of the original Star Wars trilogy and Lord of the Rings. i get a lot of weird looks for that and hey you there don’t look at me like that! But a lot of them have never seen the original Day of the Jackal or The Conversation.

I haven’t seen all of the Star Wars trilogy nor the Lord of the Rings, nor have I seen Day of the Jackal and The Conversation. LOL.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:03:43pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Annettte Benning and Denzel Washington I think. I think I saw it in theaters in Georgetown. Why I remember that, I don’t know. I have a weird memory.

I saw it with my spouse in the theatre. We had weird tastes on date movies.

Our favorite date movie was Elizabeth with Cate Blanchett.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:04:15pm

Soon twitter will have thousands of Muslims in New Jersey dancing over the mass deaths in San Bernardino.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:04:47pm

re: #141 Kryptik

I don’t know about Norway specifically, but wasn’t there a high-profile torching of a refugee camp in Sweden?

I think that was fake. The photos were recycled from Nederlands or somewhere.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:05:04pm

re: #39 Pawn of the Oppressor

There was a link in last thread where you could see three people by that name working for the State of California. It even had a breakdown of his pay and how much of it was benefits. The reports he filed were dated up to a couple of weeks ago.

Him showing up at the party and then leaving fits as last-minute reconnaissance. If his brother was involved and this really was a family thing, it could be radicalization at work.

I hate this stuff, not just because it’s awful, but because my analytical mind can’t switch off and until there’s a motive announced it’s hard for me to let the problem go. I’m not a “Stuff Happens” guy, so I guess no Presidential run for me!

Here is the California database for govt. employees with all the Farooks there are—goes through 2014.

transparentcalifornia.com

The Daily Beast had the wrong one (sorry if this has already been pointed out—I’m trying to catch up)

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:05:23pm
And Tony Shaloub as Washington’s Muslim-American partner, who ends up a much needed viewpoint character for the paranoia that results.

The character was also a Lebanese Shi’a partner too.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:05:23pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

People are always amazed that I’ve never seen the entirety of the original Star Wars trilogy and Lord of the Rings. i get a lot of weird looks for that and hey you there don’t look at me like that! But a lot of them have never seen the original Day of the Jackal or The Conversation.

You’re dead to be. Be gone!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:05:40pm

re: #143 Timothy Watson

You haven’t seen the original Star Wars trilogy?! Don’t make take your nerd card!

Of course, I shouldn’t talk, I thought the LOTR trilogy was beyond boring.

My nerd card has been taken away so many times. I don’t care. I brand myself as the different kind of nerd who can read Yeats with a buzz.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:05:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:05:48pm

re: #140 freetoken

Here’s your Trump supporters:

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But Snowden told us metadata collection was teh gubmint ebilness!!!

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Cheechako  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:06:24pm

re: #98 No Depression

The scary thing is that Daesh probably knows this too.

I think you’re right. The Deash could instigate a terrorist incident at that time and create absolute turmoil in the US. Yes, we’ll then bomb the crap out of each and everyone of the mid-eastern countries and wind up assisting Daesh in their complete take over of the region.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:06:31pm

re: #146 freetoken

Soon twitter will have thousands of Muslims in New Jersey dancing over the mass deaths in San Bernardino.

Donald Trump saw them when he was in Manasshole!

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:06:43pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

My nerd card has been taken away so many times. I don’t care. I brand myself as the different kind of nerd who can read Yeats with a buzz.

Why should not old nerds be mad?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:06:57pm

Next police presser is supposed to include someone from CAIR.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:07:09pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

I think that was fake. The photos were recycled from Nederlands or somewhere.

Ah, my bad then. There you go.

re: #149 electrotek

The character was also a Lebanese Shi’a partner too.

Yeah, I don’t remember his exact origin because it was so long since I watched the movie, but I remember do remember Shaloub’s character’s genuine anguish when…well…not going to go too indepth if people are going in blind into the movie now.

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Sionainn  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:07:41pm

Got to get the kids to bed and then myself. Good night, all, and let’s hope for a better day tomorrow.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:07:49pm

re: #158 Kryptik

Ah, my bad then. There you go.

Yeah, I don’t remember his exact origin because it was so long since I watched the movie, but I remember do remember Shaloub’s character’s genuine anguish when…well…not going to go too indepth if people are going in blind into the movie now.

Eh, the 24 hour rule has long been gone.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:08:02pm

re: #142 electrotek

It’s weird. Because I am discarding the American parts, at least to a point, but picking up parts from my ancestral nations of Europe in response.

I aim to have a fused household, merging 2 different identities.

A European-American one, and probably a Pakistani-American one.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:08:34pm

re: #145 Aunty Entity Dragon

I saw it with my spouse in the theatre. We had weird tastes on date movies.

Our favorite date movie was Elizabeth with Cate Blanchett.

Anything goes heh. Didn’t Cate get an Oscar nomination for that? And speaking of Queen Elizabeth, it’s weird to say as a small letter r, republican but I always hated what she did to her cousin Mary, Queen of Scots. Dunno why but I always felt some sympathy for MQoS.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:09:17pm

re: #156 Decatur Deb

Why should not old nerds be mad?

hell they should be glad. That’s one less person they’ll have to fight for a seat when the new Star Wars comes out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:09:35pm

some good news:

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Timothy Watson  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:09:38pm

re: #140 freetoken

Here’s your Trump supporters:

[Embedded content]

lolwhut

The NSA had to end metadata collection under the “USA Freedom Act”, which was passed by a GOP controlled Congress. It’s folks like Rand Paul who opposed metadata collection.

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:10:11pm

re: #15 Pawn of the Oppressor

I always think of The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street, from Twilight Zone.

“What kind of ‘radio set’ you workin’ on? I never seen it. Neither has anyone else. Who you talk to on that radio set? And who talks to you?”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:11:34pm

re: #166 jonhendry

I always think of The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street, from Twilight Zone.

“What kind of ‘radio set’ you workin’ on? I never seen it. Neither has anyone else. Who you talk to on that radio set? And who talks to you?”

I remember reading a play version of that in 7th grade. I finally saw the actual Twilight Zone episode since TZ has episodes on Netlfix. I think Serling intended for it to be about McCarthyism but as so much of that show and I think that’s part of why it endears even a half century after the original show went off the air is that the themes are universal and timeless.

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psddluva4evah  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:11:42pm

30 minutes to bedtime for me, then off to bed.

I don’t know bout anyone else, but there seems to still be some confusion about this Farook suspect, but I guess it’s been confirmed?

My question: why haven’t they released the name of the female suspect also?

Anyhoo, gonna wind down now for bed, hopefully in the morning someone will have a nice recap/wrap up of confirmed facts.

Night BJ.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:11:46pm

re: #166 jonhendry

I always think of The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street, from Twilight Zone.

“What kind of ‘radio set’ you workin’ on? I never seen it. Neither has anyone else. Who you talk to on that radio set? And who talks to you?”

Both the original and the remake seem prescient, until you realize it’s just history rhyming same as always….

The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices — to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill — and suspicion can destroy — and a thoughtless frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own — for the children — and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is — that these things cannot be confined — to the Twilight Zone.

That’s the most chilling line I can ever think of from a TZ episode.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:13:14pm

re: #144 Sionainn

I haven’t seen all of the Star Wars trilogy nor the Lord of the Rings, nor have I seen Day of the Jackal and The Conversation. LOL.

The Conversation is that other film that the guy who played Fredo was in that wasn’t the Godfather I & II, Dog Day, and Deer Hunter heh. It’s underrated IMO. Hackman’s good in it and I think young Harrison Ford has a role oto.

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:13:48pm

re: #115 The War TARDIS

My French Friend recommended Australia to me too.

That is also a non-starter.

If Pakistan could get its act together and stop meandering in the wilderness, I would very seriously consider Pakistan too. But Pakistan is having huge, but solvable issues, if the old families and famous idiots could let competent people give a shot at this.

How about Bali? 13% Muslim.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:14:12pm

re: #161 The War TARDIS

And, I have a lot of places to choose new traditions from.

Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England, France, the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Ukraine.

And various mixtures of them too.

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:15:34pm
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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:15:54pm

re: #161 The War TARDIS

It’s weird. Because I am discarding the American parts, at least to a point, but picking up parts from my ancestral nations of Europe in response.

I aim to have a fused household, merging 2 different identities.

A European-American one, and probably a Pakistani-American one.

Dude, unless you were born and raised in Pakistan, you’re not Pakistani.

Seriously man, enough with the inferiority complex. Stick with your cultural and ancestral origins bro. Islam isn’t an Arab or Pakistani faith; it is a faith for all, regardless of any constraints.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:16:50pm

re: #171 jonhendry

How about Bali? 13% Muslim.

They’ll probably think he’s some Aussie backpacker so he’s safe in Bali.

Personally, I’d rather go to Japan as far as industrialized nations go, if shit got real here in the states.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:17:19pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

hell they should be glad. That’s one less person they’ll have to fight for a seat when the new Star Wars comes out.

I won’t have to fight anyone. Reserved seating. ;)

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:17:38pm

re: #172 The War TARDIS

And Switerland and Austria. Forgot about them.

It can be hard to remember all 14-16 nations, depending on how you count.

Plus the very tiny, but genetically detectable amount of Pakistani. so 17 nations.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:17:47pm

re: #176 GlutenFreeJesus

I won’t have to fight anyone. Reserved seating. ;)

Oh you nerds.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:18:42pm

re: #174 electrotek

I am talking about Family stuff, in the future.

I like planning things out ahead of time.

Though the horse is still a pony, and the cart a tree.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:18:42pm

re: #174 electrotek

Dude, unless you were born and raised in Pakistan, you’re not Pakistani.

Seriously man, enough with the inferiority complex. Stick with your cultural and ancestral origins bro. Islam isn’t an Arab or Pakistani faith; it is a faith for all, regardless of any constraints.

(Bet he’s talking about a gurrrl.)

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:19:49pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

(Bet he’s talking about a gurrrl.)

Oh man, I really hope not.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:21:31pm

re: #112 danarchy

It was Bernard Kerik.

Well, of course it was. Spit.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:22:01pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Anything goes heh. Didn’t Cate get an Oscar nomination for that? And speaking of Queen Elizabeth, it’s weird to say as a small letter r, republican but I always hated what she did to her cousin Mary, Queen of Scots. Dunno why but I always felt some sympathy for MQoS.

Agreed. My paper on that subject is available here:
academia.edu

The visuals in the movie were amazing and I analyzed the final ten minutes of the movie in terms of shot construction and camera placement for a film class.

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bratwurst  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:22:08pm

Yes, DEMONIZING.

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No Depression  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:22:46pm

Man it’s hard not to be a misanthrope these days.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:23:10pm

lol @ demonizing, they sure love to act like a victim when it suits them

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:23:18pm

Time for a break from reality

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Blizard  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:23:34pm

This thread needs some smiles. Here’s my pup a few years back- Alaskan Husky rescue. (All of my images now are too big/too timely to resize).

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Decatur Deb  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:23:45pm

re: #185 No Depression

Man it’s hard not to be a misanthrope these days.

Easier if you start with low expectations.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:24:04pm

re: #184 bratwurst

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Yes, DEMONIZING.

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Who the hell was demonizing prayer? People were saying that politicians who offer prayer should actually do something. And listen fuckwad, the NRA deserves the crap they get when they actually do demonize the victims of these crimes like they did Pastor Pinckney in South Carolina who they bitched at for supporting a ban on guns in churches of have you forgotten that too Benny Boy? As far as I’m concerned the NRA deserves all teh hate they get because they’re a hate group pretty much at this point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:25:09pm

I’m gonna head off to curl up under the duvet with dogs and kittehs.

niterz, lizardz!
And big hugs all around.

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:25:14pm

re: #188 Blizard

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This thread needs some smiles. Here’s my pup a few years back- Alaskan Husky rescue. (All of my images now are too big/too timely to resize).

Because we all need some uppers, here’s an entire 450 picture imgur album of cute dogs. Linked it before, but holy shit, is it even more necessary now.

EDIT: Alright, not 500 pics like I said earlier, but whatever.

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:25:23pm

re: #188 Blizard

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This thread needs some smiles. Here’s my pup a few years back- Alaskan Husky rescue. (All of my images now are too big/too timely to resize).

What a doll! Love his expression. And those gorgeous eyes!

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No Depression  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:25:50pm

re: #184 bratwurst

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Yes, DEMONIZING.

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Even if this is an actual act of Islamist terrorism, it does not let the NRA and politicians that substitute prayer for action off the hook. The wide availability of guns and lack of regulations makes it far too easy for malevolent people to destroy lives, regardless of their motives.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:26:27pm

re: #183 Aunty Entity Dragon

Agreed. My paper on that subject is available here:
academia.edu

The visuals in the movie were amazing and I analyzed the final ten minutes of the movie in terms of shot construction and camera placement for a film class.

That sounds like an interesting read. I think I got that impression by the way from watching Simon Schama’a excellent History of Britain. I’m fascinated by British history.

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worldknot  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:26:29pm

Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:27:08pm

Here’s a chuckle. I watch this every day. Cracks. Me. Up.

Two guinea pigs on the merits of pumpkin spice - FLUFF

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:27:11pm

re: #175 electrotek

They’ll probably think he’s some Aussie backpacker so he’s safe in Bali.

Yeah, lots of Anglosphere tourists to blend in with. Possibly more risk of being accused of being a sex tourist than a terrorist. Probably a nice place for a chill Muslim to live.

Teaching English could be a source of income if nothing else is available.

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Blizard  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:27:54pm

re: #193 WhatEVs

Thank you! That’s my boy. He’s 11.5 y/o now, about 7 in that pic I think. He talks a lot!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:28:06pm

re: #194 No Depression

Even if this is an actual act of Islamist terrorism, it does not let the NRA and politicians that substitute prayer for action off the hook. The wide availability of guns and the lack of regulations makes it far too easy for malevolent people to destroy lives, regardless of their motives.

And here’s another thing the NRA which he cries about being demonized actually does demonize people. How many times do they demonize people who don’t like guns who get shot. Lots of crap about it’s their own fault for being armed. Let me put it ot you this way. I hate the NRA but if the NRA’s convention got shot up, I’d be genuinely horrified and I wouldn’t say they deserve what they got like a NRA spokesman in fact did say for Pastor Pinckney. The NRA and its supporters have no room at all to complain about demonetization at all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:28:29pm

re: #196 worldknot

Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?

I think you mean the entire Bill of Rights.

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John_Manyjars  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:28:30pm

And the Colorado PP terrorist no doubt is thanking his stars- not much attention on him from our ‘impartial’ press!

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:28:38pm

re: #196 worldknot

Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?

There’s an unspoken assumption that basic respect and courtesy doesn’t apply to Muslims (or anyone non-white). The 2nd Amendment part is just part and parcel of not treating them like they’re allowed to be Americans to begin with.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:28:40pm

Y’all probably think I was exaggerating about the thousands of dancing Muslims in NJ thing… but twitter is already here:

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No Depression  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:28:45pm

re: #196 worldknot

Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?

It doesn’t apply to brown people period.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:29:58pm

re: #196 worldknot

Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?

Heh. Among the RWNJ’s, there’s definitely a belief that the First Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims as they define Islam as a political ideology, not a religion (a fatuous argument, to be sure).

Yet in so doing, they completely ignore the fact the First Amendment covers political ideologies as well - which is why there are neo-Nazis, Trotskyites, etc.

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:30:04pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Yes, to citizens, they offer prayers. To the NRA, they offer legislation. Odd they don’t just offer the NRA prayers too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:30:12pm

re: #204 freetoken

Y’all probably think I was exaggerating about the thousands of dancing Muslims in NJ thing… but twitter is already here:

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Hadn’t he been working there well over a year? I doubt Christmas being celebrated set him off.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:30:54pm

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Among the RWNJ’s, there’s definitely a belief that the First Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims as they define Islam as political ideology, not a religion (a fatuous argument, to be sure).

Yet in so doing, they completely ignore the fact the First Amendment covers political ideologies as well - which is why there are neo-Nazis, Trotskyites, etc.

Well let’s be fair, a lot of them do want to ban the CP too. But yeah they don’t think Muslims have constitutional rights.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:31:20pm

re: #198 jonhendry

Yeah, lots of Anglosphere tourists to blend in with. Possibly more risk of being accused of being a sex tourist than a terrorist. Probably a nice place for a chill Muslim to live.

Teaching English could be a source of income if nothing else is available.

There was a point where Balinese didn’t like Muslims and would have not hesitated to secede from Indonesia, but of course that was right after the terrorist attacks in October 12, 2002 and October 5, 2005.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:32:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:32:51pm

re: #210 electrotek

There was a point where Balinese didn’t like Muslims and would have not hesitated to secede from Indonesia, but of course that was right after the terrorist attacks in October 12, 2002 and October 5, 2005.

I remember reading about Burma being pretty bad. I was really sad to see that Aung San Suu Kyi espousing some of that rhetoric. Speaking of which, she’s in the news.
telegraph.co.uk

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:34:02pm

Opportune marketing:

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:34:10pm

re: #210 electrotek

Yeah, there’s definitely some sectarian strife there and elsewhere in Indonesia. I’m not sure how a Balinese Christian would recognize a Balinese person as being Muslim, but hopefully an expat American wouldn’t fit that model and avoid trouble.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:34:36pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

That sounds like an interesting read. I think I got that impression by the way from watching Simon Schama’a excellent History of Britain. I’m fascinated by British history.

Have at it. I posted it for a reason (although nearly all the traffic I get is for my thesis on the French Revolution and Robespierre.)

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FormerDirtDart  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:34:58pm

OK, I’m going to binge watch some episodes from season 2 of The Office.
I think 9 hrs of massacre news coverage is enough for the day

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:35:10pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:35:15pm

re: #215 Aunty Entity Dragon

Have at it. I posted it for a reason (although nearly all the traffic I get is for my thesis on the French Revolution and Robespierre.)

I can just use my Gmail account to sign into access it or do I need to create an account?

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:36:01pm

re: #214 jonhendry

Yeah, there’s definitely some sectarian strife there and elsewhere in Indonesia. I’m not sure how a Balinese Christian would recognize a Balinese person as being Muslim, but hopefully an expat American wouldn’t fit that model and avoid trouble.

Not sure if there’s such a thing as a Christian in Bali since majority of the island is Hindu.

Most of the Christians live either in East Timor or in the Sulawesi Islands, with scattered populations throughout Java and Sumatra.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:36:18pm

re: #196 worldknot

Is it my imagination, or is there an unspoken assumption that the Second Amendment doesn’t apply to Muslims?

You’re not imagining things at all. The Constitution is only for White People.

Years ago, “gun rights advocates” would occasionally propose that restrictions on gun ownership made it harder for poor people and women living alone to defend themselves. Brave ones with academic pretense would note that black people in “bad areas” might want to defend themselves too.

I haven’t heard that argument made anywhere since Obama was elected.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:36:49pm

NM AED I got it. Just logged in with GMail.

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:37:05pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

I kind of suspect it shows that Aung San Suu Kyi’s freedom isn’t all that secure. By not doing the Right Thing about the Muslim minority, perhaps she’s basically saying “I did my time, and then some, now it’s someone else’s turn to be the Burmese civil rights leader”.

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danarchy  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:37:24pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:37:27pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

I can just use my Gmail account to sign into access it or do I need to create an account?

Not sure, although I think you can sign in with FB.

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Interesting Times  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:38:23pm
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No Depression  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:39:12pm

I think Jesus has some stern words for the GOP:

James 2:14-17

14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:39:47pm

re: #224 Aunty Entity Dragon

Not sure, although I think you can sign in with FB.

Nah I’m good. I just started reading this. Interesting. If I can find some place to host my term paper on the pogroms in Russia, I’d love to share it with you and the other Lizards. I wrote it around the time the wohle “Ground Zero” mosque was a controversial thing and a lot of the rhetoric directed at Muslims then as now reminded me of late 19th/early 20th century antisemitism in Russia especially. Fortunately we haven’t gotten that bad yet where scores of Muslims have to leave their homes for a new country like the Russian Jews did.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:39:51pm

re: #223 danarchy

well shit.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:39:53pm

Says the guy who inspired a child-killing terrorist:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:40:48pm

re: #229 electrotek

Says the guy who inspired a child-killing terrorist:

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It was a very religious Christian who shot up Planned PArenthood just last week. You advocating for all Christians to be treated like shit Bobby-Boo? Or dod you just save that crap for Muslims.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:41:09pm

re: #223 danarchy

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The freeper crowd on twitter have gone full metal krystalnacht.

If anybody from Syria thought they had a chance to come to the “land of the free and home of the brave”, well…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:41:17pm

Man this ain’t good.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:41:54pm

re: #229 electrotek

Lots of people tweeting that sentence… but they always leave out the part where the father said he has been estranged from his son for some time.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:42:02pm
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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:42:45pm

re: #232 HappyWarrior

Man this ain’t good.

Don’t look at twitter. Don’t get off the boat.
Never get out of the boat

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:43:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:43:31pm

re: #235 Aunty Entity Dragon

Don’t look at twitter. Don’t get off the boat.
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It’s times like these where I am glad I do not tweet and also stopped following my cousin the Islamaphobe on FB.

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:45:12pm

re: #219 electrotek

I think Bali is about 2% Christian… Overall Indonesia is about 9% Christian I think. Probably enough in Bali for there to be some carry-over from elsewhere.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:46:13pm

Either way though, being a Muslim in Japan is still preferable to being a Muslim in a Western country.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:47:57pm

re: #239 electrotek

Either way though, being a Muslim in Japan is still preferable to being a Muslim in a Western country.

The problem in Japan is if you are Ainu or Korean.

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Great White Snark  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:48:37pm

re: #25 Desmond

Klys, first we need to wait and make sure the info is correct, but if it’s workplace violence, one doesn’t usually bring along two friends with automatic weapons and explosive devices.

Usually. Not usually well pre planned either.

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Blizard  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:48:52pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Likewise. I only tweet funny stuff or work-related things. I quit FB 3 months ago and am quite content without it, even when I originally kept family member’s crazy posts from popping up in my feed. I just don’t need to know that stuff anymore. I have seen enough.

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Aunty Entity Dragon  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:49:20pm

I’m out. Too damned tired to think.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:49:21pm

re: #240 Aunty Entity Dragon

The problem in Japan is if you are Ainu or Korean.

Or Chinese or Nigerian. But then again with the case of Nigerians in Japan, they really have only themselves to blame for their horrid reputation stemming from their role as touts in Tokyo’s seedy nightlife.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:49:49pm

re: #240 Aunty Entity Dragon

The problem in Japan is if you are Ainu or Korean.

I think that’s the damndest thing. Some groups get off fine in one place but others treated like crap. From what a lot of the anti-immigration rhetoric in the UK is not just directed at Indians and Africans but also people from Eastern Europe. I remember Gordon Brown got in some heat because he called an old woman a bigot who was fearmongreling about the Poles. Now it probably wasn’t the most diplomatic thing to say but I agreed with the PM.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:49:49pm

Conspiracy nuts really coming out in force now on twitter, over the SB shooting.

This is America.

And this is why Donald Trump is the most popular person running for President.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:50:08pm
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Amory Blaine  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:50:18pm
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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:50:31pm

re: #244 electrotek

… stemming from their role as touts in Tokyo’s seedy nightlife.

What would nightlife be if it weren’t seedy?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:50:38pm

re: #242 Blizard

Likewise. I only tweet funny stuff or work-related things. I quit FB 3 months ago and am quite content without it, even when I originally kept family member’s crazy posts from popping up in my feed. I just don’t need to know that stuff anymore. I have seen enough.

Facebook actually has been very good to me. I’ve gotten to know some cousins I otherwise would not know since I started a family history group.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:51:08pm

re: #246 freetoken

Conspiracy nuts really coming out in force now on twitter, over the SB shooting.

This is America.

And this is why Donald Trump is the most popular person running for President.

Hell, Trump will prolly be polling at close to 50% (maybe even a little over it) by this time next week.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:51:22pm
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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:51:25pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

The tragedy will be milked for every penny it can generate.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:51:49pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

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Yeah I have to agree.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:52:21pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

Nah I’m good. I just started reading this. Interesting. If I can find some place to host my term paper on the pogroms in Russia, I’d love to share it with you and the other Lizards. I wrote it around the time the wohle “Ground Zero” mosque was a controversial thing and a lot of the rhetoric directed at Muslims then as now reminded me of late 19th/early 20th century antisemitism in Russia especially. Fortunately we haven’t gotten that bad yet where scores of Muslims have to leave their homes for a new country like the Russian Jews did.

Upload to scribd.com. It’s free.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:52:22pm

re: #251 Dr Lizardo

I conjectured earlier that 50% might be too low…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:52:23pm

re: #251 Dr Lizardo

Hell, Trump will prolly be polling at close to 50% (maybe even a little over it) by this time next week.

It looks more and more likely he could be nominated daily.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:53:13pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

It looks more and more likely he could be nominated daily.

What really scares me is a Trump/Cruz ticket…

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Blizard  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:53:20pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Yeah I still keep in touch with many family and old friends, just not on social media anymore. Back to old school. I like it.

I was thankful at first to reconnect with so many, but after awhile, the novelty wore off for more than a few.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:54:02pm

re: #255 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Upload to scribd.com. It’s free.

Cool I’ll do that. It’s a long read let me warn you in advance so crack open a nice cold one or two when you read it heh. I’m very proud of it though. I pretty much spend every day of my final semester working on it some way whether it was writing, getting the proper books, finding journal articles, re-reading, etc.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:54:04pm

re: #242 Blizard

What’s your Twitter handle? We can give each other skiing updates!

Here’s mine: @teleskiguy

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:54:12pm

re: #256 freetoken

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I’ve joked that if Trump ends up as POTUS come next year, I’m applying for political asylum on the grounds that my fellow Americans have gone violently insane.

That usually gets quite a few chuckles. In any event, I’m a permanent resident here.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:54:18pm

re: #258 Joe Bacon

What really scares me is a Trump/Cruz ticket…

They do seem to like each other quite a bit.

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:54:23pm

re: #236 Eric The Fruit Bat

That was AWSUMLY AWESOME! Thank you!

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:54:38pm

re: #262 Dr Lizardo

I don’t even know where I could go. :’(

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:55:04pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Let us know when you do; I’d like to read it. Sounds interesting.

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WhatEVs  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:56:35pm

re: #258 Joe Bacon

What really scares me is a Trump/Cruz ticket…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:57:16pm

re: #262 Dr Lizardo

I’ve joked that if Trump ends up as POTUS come next year, I’m applying for political asylum on the grounds that my fellow Americans have gone violently insane.

That usually gets quite a few chuckles. In any event, I’m a permanent resident here.

Ha, i’ve actually got some cousins who already live abroad. Not because of politics but because their spouses are Brits and they both wanted that adventure. My one cousin just celebrated her 19th year living in the UK. It’s crazy. Feels like just yesterday we met her and her then fiance at the airport. And today they have teenage daughters. One whom will be entering the UK’s university system in a couple years. It’s funny both of them have sort of adopted British accents and definitely use British spelling and slang. Awesome people the whole lot of them.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:57:27pm

Typical:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:57:44pm

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

Let us know when you do; I’d like to read it. Sounds interesting.

I’ll do it right now actually, why not.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:58:48pm

re: #269 freetoken

*SYED FAROOK Identified as One of the Suspects in San Bernardino,CA, Mass Attack-a terrorist attack thanks to Obama who wants Americans dead

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Kryptik  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:58:51pm

Christ, I’m done. I’m just done.

I need to just sleep the rest of the entire week away at this point.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:59:49pm

Was the presser held already?

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 8:59:54pm

re: #269 freetoken

I have already resigned myself to the fact that their will be a major anti-Muslim attack before the year is out.

I just hope my friends are not the one hurt.

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Camacho DeezNuts 2016  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:00:34pm

re: #269 freetoken

Richard is himself a terrorist. Or at least an asshole. Somewhere on the Asshole<->Terrorist Spectrum.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:00:42pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

The whole thing does’t add up. If it’s terrorism, why attack such an obscure target when L.A. is so close (imagine the impact of an attack on Hollywood blvd for instance). If it’s workplace violence, then how did he get two others to join in? There’s something really off about the whole thing.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:01:43pm

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

What about a hybrid of both?

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:03:05pm
The whole thing does’t add up. If it’s terrorism, why attack such an obscure target when L.A. is so close (imagine the impact of an attack on Hollywood blvd for instance). If it’s workplace violence, then how did he get two others to join in? There’s something really off about the whole thing.

Holy shit can you imagine an attack like this occurring at Rodeo Drive or Sunset Blvd? Or at Griffith Observatory or Venice Beach? We can’t forget that Da’esh are essentially a bunch of attention whores and they would love to use those high-profile locations for greater exposure as was the case in Paris.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:04:09pm

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

The whole thing does’t add up. If it’s terrorism, why attack such an obscure target when L.A. is so close (imagine the impact of an attack on Hollywood blvd for instance). If it’s workplace violence, then how did he get two others to join in? There’s something really off about the whole thing.

Yeah there’s definitely something missing.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:04:52pm
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Ace-o-aces  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:05:15pm

re: #277 The War TARDIS

What about a hybrid of both?

“OK, so I’ll strike a blow against the Zionist crusaders and get my revenge on Susan from H.R. who never refills the coffee pot when she’s done!”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:05:30pm

Syed Farook’s Facebook page. He also went by “Raheel.”

facebook.com

No sign of Islamist radicalism here - quite the opposite, in fact.

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worldknot  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:05:32pm

re: #276 Ace-o-aces

The whole thing does’t add up. If it’s terrorism, why attack such an obscure target when L.A. is so close (imagine the impact of an attack on Hollywood blvd for instance). If it’s workplace violence, then how did he get two others to join in? There’s something really off about the whole thing.

Details, details. It was the Muslims. The hive mind has spoken.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:06:00pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Not visible to me.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:06:08pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Syed Farook’s Facebook page. He also went by “Raheel.”

facebook.com

No sign of Islamist radicalism here - quite the opposite, in fact.

I think it was deleted not long after you posted that.

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:06:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:07:50pm

re: #286 Kragar

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The mistake made is that our states should operate like mini countries. Obviously there are some stuff that states should handle but alot needs to be federal. Gun laws are definitely one of those things.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:08:13pm
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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:09:03pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea Toujours

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LOL

True story, there’s no fucking P in Arabic. Jesus Christ

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:09:53pm

re: #277 The War TARDIS

Here is a scenario.

Guy get canned. In doing so, he starts to radicalize, and finds others thatt are like-minded. They decide out of some delusion that the Department needs to be punished for firing him.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:09:59pm

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:10:29pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:11:29pm

re: #289 electrotek

LOL

True story, there’s no fucking P in Arabic. Jesus Christ

Tayyip Ardogan sounds more Turkish than Arabic, IMO.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:11:38pm

re: #290 The War TARDIS

That’s my guess as well. Or his friend was the one to radicalize him after he was fired.

“Let’s get revenge!!!”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:11:41pm

I’m sure Bill Maher’s going to be extra obnoxious on Friday night.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:12:32pm

re: #289 electrotek

How the fuck did I miss that?

I know Arabic doesn’t have a P. How did I not realize that.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:12:41pm

Muslims are still quicker to condemn this than Republicans were in condemning the Planned Parenthood attack:

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Charles Johnson  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:13:01pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

I think it was deleted not long after you posted that.

Weird… I looked at it just seconds before posting the link here.

It was just photos of his wife and daughter, everybody smiling and looking totally happy. No signs of radicalization at all.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:13:18pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Speaking of which…..

It comes as no surprise that Justice Scalia also said that state and local officials who are not actual parties to Supreme Court cases have no obligation to obey judicial rulings that those officials think lack a warrant in the text or original understanding of the Constitution.

He cited Abraham Lincoln’s remark concerning the infamous Dred Scott ruling that decisions by the Supreme Court are formally binding only on the parties to the case. That’s technically true, but few Americans will agree with Justice Scalia that Obergefell, which conferred rights on millions of Americans, is comparable to Dred Scott, which denied rights to millions by ruling that slaves were not citizens and could not sue in federal courts.

And can Justice Scalia want his own decisions to have diminished and perhaps negligible force until separate lawsuits are brought in each state to enforce them? That implies that state and local officials are free to ignore his gun-friendly decision in District of Columbia v. Heller (holding that the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to own a gun). Perhaps a few state and local officials will take Justice Scalia up on that offer.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:13:34pm

re: #289 electrotek

OK, I laughed. Kicked out for having the wrong letter in your name…

Customs official: “Name…”
Guy: “Tayeep.”
Customs official: *looks up* “Come again?”
“Tayeep. With a P.”
Customs official: “You must leave. Immediately. Get in that line over there. BE GONE!” *points to line of sullen-looking people by the exit*
(Tayeep goes to the line. People in the queue introduce themselves)
“You too, huh? Hi. I’m Phil. This is Paul, and Pamela, and…”

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:13:41pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Syed Farook’s Facebook page. He also went by “Raheel.”

facebook.com

No sign of Islamist radicalism here - quite the opposite, in fact.

Page looks like it was pulled. What was on it?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:13:57pm

re: #296 The War TARDIS

How the fuck did I miss that?

I know Arabic doesn’t have a P. How did I not realize that.

It’s late heh. Besides you’re not a native Arabic speaker. But it’s cool that someone did notice that.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:14:00pm

re: #297 electrotek

The Muslim Community in the US is much quicker to respond than other Muslim communities around the world to stupid horse-shit.

Won’t help with the 50+% of the US that are mouth-breathing idiots though.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:14:50pm

re: #300 Pawn of the Oppressor

OK, I laughed. Kicked out for having the wrong letter in your name…

Customs official: “Name…”
Guy: “Tayeep.”
Customs official: *looks up* “Come again?”
“Tayeep. With a P.”
Customs official: “You must leave. Immediately. Get in that line over there. BE GONE!” *points to line of sullen-looking people by the exit*
(Tayeep goes to the line. People in the queue introduce themselves)
“You too, huh? Hi. I’m Phil. This is Paul, and Pamela, and…”

Poor Phyillis. She really wanted to go to Qatar bad.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:15:59pm

re: #290 The War TARDIS

Here is a scenario.

Guy get canned. In doing so, he starts to radicalize, and finds others thatt are like-minded. They decide out of some delusion that the Department needs to be punished for firing him.

re: #294 GlutenFreeJesus

That’s my guess as well. Or his friend was the one to radicalize him after he was fired.

“Let’s get revenge!!!”

If, as several stories have mentioned, he was at the party and then left, why do you assume he was fired?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:16:14pm

re: #299 Eric The Fruit Bat

Speaking of which…..

Scalia is such a scoundrel. No ethics at all. It sickens me that he’s considered a model of what a Supreme Court judge should be. I may take Rehnquist over him, Scalia is that much of a hypocrite.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:16:43pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

Poor Phyillis. She really wanted to go to Qatar bad.

“Welcome to Qatar. There is no P here. So if you have to go to the bathroom, better do it now!”
(everybody looks upset)
“Haha, that’s just a little Immigration joke… Restrooms will be on your left as you exit the terminal…”

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:17:30pm
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danarchy  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:18:18pm

re: #293 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Tayyip Ardogan sounds more Turkish than Arabic, IMO.

Heh, probably because Tayip Erdogan is the president of turkey :)

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:18:47pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:18:52pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

He probably wears one of those Opus Dei pain-inducing chalices under his robes in session….

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:19:01pm

re: #300 Pawn of the Oppressor

OK, I laughed. Kicked out for having the wrong letter in your name…

Customs official: “Name…”
Guy: “Tayeep.”
Customs official: *looks up* “Come again?”
“Tayeep. With a P.”
Customs official: “You must leave. Immediately. Get in that line over there. BE GONE!” *points to line of sullen-looking people by the exit*
(Tayeep goes to the line. People in the queue introduce themselves)
“You too, huh? Hi. I’m Phil. This is Paul, and Pamela, and…”

All right, all you P folks, go over there and form a line! We don’t cotton to P folks around these pa — this area.

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:19:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:20:26pm

re: #311 Eric The Fruit Bat

He probably wears one of those Opus Dei pain-inducing chalices under his robes in session….

Probably. I can’t stand how arrogant he is. I hate his whole philosophy because it’s arrogant. Who the fuck are you to think you can definitely say what the founders woul want in 21st century America.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:20:29pm

re: #309 danarchy

Heh, probably because Tayip Erdogan is the president of turkey :)

Oh, well, yeah. … I knew that. {Looks sheepishly at floor.}

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:20:42pm

“And all of you folks from Ennsylvania, well, you’re SOL. Have a nice time back in Ittsburg and Hiladehia!”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:21:47pm

“And if you want an izza, otato, or asta, you won’t find any here.”

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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:23:14pm

re: #25 Desmond

Klys, first we need to wait and make sure the info is correct, but if it’s workplace violence, one doesn’t usually bring along two friends with automatic weapons and explosive devices.

It could have been planned well in advance. Who says WPV has to be a spontaneous event? He and his family (if that is indeed who the other shooters are) could have been carrying around a grievance for months or even years.

In the end, while we should know the motive, people are still dead, lives are still ruined. Just another day in America.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:24:01pm

Trying to create an Empire on EU4 that consists of my ancestral background, as England.

However, Personal Union-ing France and Scotland, annexing all the Irish States, seizing the Netherlands and parts of Northern Germany, Northern Jutland, and Southern Norway and Sweden, I have run into a problem.

The Holy Roman Empire. Namely, they get cranky when I seize their stuff.

Right now working on a plan to vassalize the Electors, Then capture the emperor’s Capital to Disband it.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:24:03pm

re: #25 Desmond

Klys, first we need to wait and make sure the info is correct, but if it’s workplace violence, one doesn’t usually bring along two friends with automatic weapons and explosive devices.

Workplace killers have brought homemade bombs before, but 2-3 accomplices? I’ve never heard of that. And in post-WWII America there have only been two mass murders with more than one shooter. One was a robbery-murder on a gaming parlor in Seattle in 1984, the other was Columbine.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:24:32pm

Facebook is being very non-responsive for me right now. Perhaps too many people hitting it?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:25:03pm

re: #321 freetoken

Facebook is being very non-responsive for me right now. Perhaps too many people hitting it?

Works fine here.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:25:17pm

re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Right now going on the assumption that it is both Workplace Violence, and a Radicalized Lunatic.

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sagehen  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:25:50pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

I’m sure Bill Maher’s going to be extra obnoxious on Friday night.

He’s off until January.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:26:58pm

re: #324 sagehen

He’s off until January.

Oh. That’s a relief though I did see he already tweeted something assine.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:27:48pm

re: #265 The War TARDIS

I don’t even know where I could go. :’(

Berlin, Germany. Quite a large Muslim community there.

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Great White Snark  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:28:01pm

First time for a re: #320 Dark_Falcon

Workplace killers have brought homemade bombs before, but 2-3 accomplices? I’ve never heard of that. And in post-WWII America there have only been two mass murders with more than one shooter. One was a robbery-murder on a gaming parlor in Seattle in 1984, the other was Columbine.

First time maybe. Something important is still missing.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:28:18pm

re: #323 The War TARDIS

Right now going on the assumption that it is both Workplace Violence, and a Radicalized Lunatic.

Workplace might work for Farook, but what about the rest of these dirtbags? People don’t just decide to join in a mass murder.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:28:28pm

re: #326 Dr Lizardo

Berlin, Germany. Quite a large Muslim community there.

Currywurst for all.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:28:29pm

re: #326 Dr Lizardo

Berlin, Germany. Quite a large Muslim community there.

Or Kuala Lumpur.

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Great White Snark  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:28:50pm

Who is the woman?

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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:30:33pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Workplace might work for Farook, but what about the rest of these dirtbags? People don’t just decide to join in a mass murder.

Really? Manson murders?

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:30:40pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

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Downloaded it and will try to read it tomorrow (I’ll be in the mood for some “light” reading, and, as it relates to my family’s situation, will be of particular interest.) Thanks.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:31:35pm

re: #331 Great White Snark

Who is the woman?

I’m hoping not his wife, as apparently he had just returned from paternity leave.

LATimes had a report from someone who had worked in the department (left in May) that he had attended the holiday party last year, held in the same conference room, and that there was a lot of issues in the department right now with substantial turnover regarding management concerns.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:31:46pm

re: #330 electrotek

Or Kuala Lumpur.

I’m planning a visit there next month, and Malaysia in general. You been there before? Any recommendations?

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KingKenrod  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:32:00pm

re: #331 Great White Snark

Who is the woman?

Someone from CAIR said the family hasn’t heard from Syed or his wife since earlier today.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:32:20pm

Looking at a frame grab from today, the dead woman is wearing shorts and a long-sleeved shirt, and is hardly dressed for a gunfight. She was in the back of the SUV under a blanket. Did she definitely have a gun?

Edit: looks like she may have had a belly band holster. Something is around her middle, possibly Tacticool Khaki colored, but it could be some kind of slimming band too.

I could believe it if they said she wasn’t part of the first shooting. But why cruise around the neighborhood if you had just done something like that? Could the shooter have come back home and made her leave in the truck with him? “Honey, I’ve done something bad and we need to leave?”

Just spitballing… I guess that’s what we have an FBI for, to figure this crap out.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:32:44pm

I’m sure glad ski season is here, much easier to take my mind off of the awfulness. Today is a sad day for the victims of this massacre. Going forward, it will be a shitshow of epic proportions with fear and loathing front and center among the political junkies and chattering class. I might stay offline for a while.

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Great White Snark  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:33:44pm

re: #336 KingKenrod

Might explain her throwing in with him on the workplace violence. Extreme loyalty/shared anger?

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:34:19pm

re: #332 blueraven

Really? Manson murders?

Manson spent a good deal of time indoctrinating his followers and he sent out specific groups of them to commit the Tate-LaBianca murders.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:34:54pm

re: #333 BeachDem

Downloaded it and will try to read it tomorrow (I’ll be in the mood for some “light” reading, and, as it relates to my family’s situation, will be of particular interest.) Thanks.

It’s a good read if I say so myself. What I’ve found out since I wrote it that my own family (mom’s mom’s parents) were from the borderlands of the Austro-Hungarian empire and Russian. My great grandfather while not an educated man knew a lot of languages since he worked with miners from all over the place.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:34:54pm

re: #319 The War TARDIS

Thankfully, there is a massive Religious War in the HRE right now, so my plan is to come in with fresh pampered troops, and turn the whole place into a shitstorm by declaring war on essentially everyone!

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:35:23pm

re: #292 electrotek

Tayyep Ardogan?

Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, President of Turkey.

Yeah…..someone went there.

*sigh*

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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:36:28pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

Manson spent a good deal of time indoctrinating his followers and he sent out specific groups of them to commit the Tate-LaBianca murders.

And you know that these people were not “indoctrinated”?

No, you don’t know shit. Neither do I.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:37:22pm

re: #344 blueraven

And you know that these people were not “indoctrinated”?

No, you don’t know shit. Neither do I.

We don’t even know the lady’s name or relationship to Farook yet.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:37:48pm

re: #291 HappyWarrior

I dl’d it and will read when I have a chance. :-)

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:37:59pm

re: #342 The War TARDIS

Speaking of which, I found it is shitstorm time right now.

I should be able to vassailize the various electors in one swoop.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:38:15pm

re: #289 electrotek

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:38:46pm

re: #344 blueraven

And you know that these people were not “indoctrinated”?

No, you don’t know shit. Neither do I.

I didn’t say that and I’m sorry if I seemed to imply it. What I was trying to say is that one person may “spontaneously snap”, but when you have multiple shooters and as many as four people involved you’re usually looking at something that someone spent a good bit of time planning and setting up.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:38:58pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:39:55pm

re: #337 Pawn of the Oppressor

Looking at a frame grab from today, the dead woman is wearing shorts and a long-sleeved shirt, and is hardly dressed for a gunfight. She was in the back of the SUV under a blanket. Did she definitely have a gun? I could believe it if they said she wasn’t part of the first shooting. But why cruise around the neighborhood if you had just done something like that? Could the shooter have come back home and made her leave in the truck with him? “Honey, I’ve done something bad and we need to leave?”

Just spitballing… I guess that’s what we have an FBI for, to figure this crap out.

Lots of assumptions on my part here, but a Muslim woman in shorts doesn’t sound very ISIS-like.

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Great White Snark  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:40:49pm

Its easier for me to imagine a couple in a relationship so codependent they would share violence rather than ISIS radicalized that wound up aimed at co workers. Government sure but just low level people. No offense to them but not Congressmen either.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:41:17pm

re: #335 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I’m planning a visit there next month, and Malaysia in general. You been there before? Any recommendations?

I haven’t been even though I have a few friends that live in Kuala Lumpur and Johor and I should be visiting there.

Although I do have my reservations about visiting a country that has openly banned Shi’a Islam from being practiced in the country, however.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:42:48pm

re: #346 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I dl’d it and will read when I have a chance. :-)

Cool, thanks. I really want to get back into writing again. I’m thinking about enrolling myself in a creative writing class at my old comm college.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:42:51pm

re: #352 Great White Snark

Its easier for me to imagine a couple in a relationship so codependent they would share violence rather than ISIS radicalized that wound up aimed at co workers. Government sure but just low level people. No offense to them but not Congressmen either.

Pretty much this. Throw in one friend and there’s three people.

There were a lot more targets they could have hit in that building if they had wanted to before the cops showed up.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:44:43pm

re: #348 teleskiguy

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“Sources within law enforcement stated off the record that they shooters may have attended a mosque run by Sheikh Yerbooti…”

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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:45:22pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say that and I’m sorry if I seemed to imply it. What I was trying to say is that one person may “spontaneously snap”, but when you have multiple shooters and as many as four people involved you’re usually looking at something that someone spent a good bit of time planning and setting up.

OK then quit speaking in absolutes.
And as I posted above…who said this had to be spontaneous?

re: #318 blueraven

It could have been planned well in advance. Who says WPV has to be a spontaneous event? He and his family (if that is indeed who the other shooters are) could have been carrying around a grievance for months or even years.

In the end, while we should know the motive, people are still dead, lives are still ruined. Just another day in America.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:45:37pm

re: #353 electrotek

I haven’t been even though I have a few friends that live in Kuala Lumpur and Johor and I should be visiting there.

Although I do have my reservations about visiting a country that has openly banned Shi’a Islam from being practiced in the country, however.

I once fancied retiring in Thailand, but that was before the latest military coup. Now Thailand’s government is trying hard to imitate China’s wrt civil rights and freedom of the press. I’m not sure Malaysia is much better, but at least i want to pay it a visit. Only $125 r/t from Hong Kong to KL. :D

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:46:24pm

re: #356 Pawn of the Oppressor

“Sources within law enforcement stated off the record that they shooters may have attended a mosque run by Sheikh Yerbooti…”

Imam Ahmed Rashad.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:46:44pm

At least Malaysia is cleaner than China, if that’s of any consolation.

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bubba zanetti  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:47:57pm

re: #356 Pawn of the Oppressor

“Sources within law enforcement stated off the record that they shooters may have attended a mosque run by Sheikh Yerbooti…”

no, Sheikh Yemani Mecca

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:49:02pm

re: #361 bubba zanetti

no, Sheikh Yemani Mecca

And his assistant, Sheikh D. Tayl Fettah.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:49:19pm

re: #358 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I once fancied retiring in Thailand, but that was before the latest military coup. Now Thailand’s government is trying hard to imitate China’s wrt civil rights and freedom of the press. I’m not sure Malaysia is much better, but at least i want to pay it a visit. Only $125 r/t from Hong Kong to KL. :D

That’s too bad. I hear the Thai people are great and of all the Southeast Asian cuisines, Thai is my favorite.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:50:03pm

re: #362 Dr Lizardo

And his assistant, Sheikh D. Tayl Fettah.

And his buddy Malle kiliki maka

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:50:04pm

Ayatollah Salem DaKatt

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:51:39pm

I wished I had a shirt that said Ayatollah of Rocknrolla

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:53:20pm

Image: q5whlqu.png
Now that I think about it, this episode of the Simpsons not only introduced me to Jeb and George W. Bush but also Ayatollah Khomeini.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:53:22pm

re: #349 Dark_Falcon

I didn’t say that and I’m sorry if I seemed to imply it. What I was trying to say is that one person may “spontaneously snap”, but when you have multiple shooters and as many as four people involved you’re usually looking at something that someone spent a good bit of time planning and setting up.

An interesting article about the idea that workplace shooters are people who “spontaneously snap”

To the contrary, however, most mass murderers - and workplace avengers in particular - do not just explode and start shooting spontaneously at anything that moves. Typically, these murderers act with calm deliberation, often planning their assault for days, if not weeks or months in advance. Their preparations involve assembling the arsenal of weaponry as well as determining the most effective means of attack.

In addition, workplace mass murderers tend to be quite selective in targeting their victims. Rather than an act of sheer insanity, their homicide is an act of controlled vengeance. Victims are chosen specifically because of the perceived harm that they have caused the perpetrator, who may himself feel like a victim of injustice.

jfox.neu.edu

This was written after the Wakefield Massacre in 2000.

McDermott, during his trial, claimed that he was born without a soul and that God had allowed him to earn a soul by traveling back in time to kill Nazis. He said he had “traveled back in time and killed Hitler and the last 6 Nazis.” However, the prosecution asserted that the killings were motivated by his employer’s garnishment of his wages for the IRS, to pay taxes that he owed.[

en.wikipedia.org

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:53:26pm

re: #366 electrotek

I wished I had a shirt that said Ayatollah of Rocknrolla

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:54:03pm

re: #369 teleskiguy

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Hahaha sorry dude but hey great minds right?

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:54:57pm

re: #369 teleskiguy

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Simpsons episode comes to mind.

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freetoken  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:55:12pm

re: #366 electrotek

I wished I had a shirt that said Ayatollah of Rocknrolla

Chris Jericho - ayatollah of rock and rolla

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:55:16pm

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Hahaha sorry dude but hey great minds right?

Six seconds. Six freaking seconds!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:55:48pm

re: #371 electrotek

Simpsons episode comes to mind.

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That’s probably one of my favorite Simpsons episodes up there with Sideshow Bob running for mayor.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:57:07pm

re: #362 Dr Lizardo

And his assistant, Sheikh D. Tayl Fettah.

Robert De Niro announces terrorist list

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:57:12pm

Marge: Can we get rid of this Ayatollah T-shirt? Khomeini died years ago.

Homer: But, Marge! It works on any Ayatollah: Ayatollah Nakhbadeh, Ayatollah Zahedi…even as we speak, Ayatollah Razmada and his cadre of fanatics are consolidating their power.

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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:57:45pm

re: #374 HappyWarrior

That’s probably one of my favorite Simpsons episodes up there with Sideshow Bob running for mayor.

Don’t forget Birch Barlow hahaha

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:58:39pm

re: #377 electrotek

Don’t forget Birch Barlow hahaha

Oh of course.
Birch Barlow

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Amory Blaine  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:59:11pm

What I do, it’s not enough. What do I do?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 9:59:39pm

No children have ever meddled with the Republican Party and lived to tell about it!

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:01:18pm

BBL.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:01:23pm
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electrotek  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:01:33pm

I gotta go to bed, night yall.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:01:53pm

re: #359 HappyWarrior

I am not getting that one.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:01:58pm

Yeah I gotta get some shut eye too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:02:25pm

re: #384 The War TARDIS

I am not getting that one.

Ahmed Rashad was a football player in the 70’s turned sportscaster. His wife Phyillis played Clare Huxtable on the Cosby Show. I think they’ve since split up. Too obscure though I agree since I realize he hasn’t called games in a while.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:02:44pm

Because it’s all about you Geraldo

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:03:19pm

re: #386 HappyWarrior

I thought I was missing a dirty pun.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:03:23pm

re: #382 Ace-o-aces

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:03:55pm

re: #387 Ace-o-aces

Because it’s all about you Geraldo

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No, you can stay in Al Capone’s vault forever like the Templar Knight in the Last Crusade.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:04:29pm

re: #388 The War TARDIS

I thought I was missing a dirty pun.

Nah. Was more riffing off the fact that person who suggested the fake Qatari used a real name of someone else.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:05:56pm

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

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I think you’re missing that someone actually did seriously quest that a misspelling of the Turkish president was a suspect. Besides it appears to be in good fun. The only thing that bothers me about is Fadi has me craving Middle Eastern food at a time of day where I cannot get it.

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Ace-o-aces  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:07:13pm
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:07:19pm

re: #360 electrotek

At least Malaysia is cleaner than China, if that’s of any consolation.

re: #363 HappyWarrior

That’s too bad. I hear the Thai people are great and of all the Southeast Asian cuisines, Thai is my favorite.

I’ve been to Thailand and will probably visit again. Wonderful people, for sure. Chiang Mai has a lot of expats and IMO is more hospitable than Bangkok. I still have not visited the southern half of Thailand. It may become part of my itinerary this January-February break.

I think most places are cleaner than China. The biggest complaints I have about China are the bathrooms and the sidewalks. It seems none of them get cleaned with any regularity, or at all. The streets in my city get washed several times a day, but the sidewalks only when rains wash away the grime. And if you have a sensitive nose, hold your breath when visiting a public bathroom. (Western chain restaurants and airports excepted)

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:07:33pm

re: #390 HappyWarrior

No, you can stay in Al Capone’s vault forever like the Templar Knight in the Last Crusade.

Minor quibble: The knight in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is not mentioned as a Templar in the movie, rather as one of three brothers knights of the First Crusade. In point of fact, the Templar Order did not exist until after that Crusade.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:08:22pm

re: #387 Ace-o-aces

Because it’s all about you Geraldo

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My answer to Geraldo: No

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:11:16pm

re: #375 BeachDem

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That was a classic!

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:12:52pm

re: #397 Stanley Sea Toujours

That was a classic!

Yeppers. We watched it again this past weekend—I thought my brother-in-law was going to pee his pants.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:13:03pm

Would it be possible for the Democratic candidates for president to at least wait until we know what happened, what guns were used, and how they were acquired before rushing out to demand new laws:

I found the tweets in question here.

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:14:45pm

Other suspect is 27 years old Tashfeen Malik. They are pretty sure it was just the two shooters, one male and one female. I’m guessing that’s Tashfeen.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:14:54pm

Don’t be an asshole.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:15:30pm

And just to be clear, not all pro-gun control Dems rushed to politicize this horror show:

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:16:21pm

re: #401 Amory Blaine

Don’t be an asshole.

I’m not the one being an asshole.

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:16:41pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

“We must take action to stop gun violence now.”

How is that inappropriate?

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:16:58pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

Would it be possible for Republican candidates to open their fuckin’ pieholes and say something about a Planned Parenthood being attacked?

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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:17:45pm

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

I’m not the one being an asshole.

actually…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:17:55pm

I dunno. Suggesting we might tighten up access to guns doesn’t sound like a bad idea, y’know.

Maybe it’s just me. /

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:18:06pm

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

“Mass shootings are becoming an almost-everyday occurrence in this country. This sickening and senseless gun violence must stop.”

How did Bernie politicize this?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:18:30pm

pbs.org

In Gunned Down: The Power of the NRA, FRONTLINE goes inside the politics of America’s gun debate. Veteran FRONTLINE filmmaker Michael Kirk investigates the NRA, its political evolution and influence, and how it has consistently succeeded in defeating new gun control legislation.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:18:59pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

You don’t need an apostrophe when describing the candidates (plural) for President.

That’s probably the most polite thing I can say in response to this.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:19:11pm

re: #398 BeachDem

Yeppers. We watched it again this past weekend—I thought my brother-in-law was going to pee his pants.

I just laughed so hard.

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:19:22pm

Saying factual things isn’t politicizing it. Jeebus.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:19:43pm

re: #412 Jenner7

Saying factual things isn’t politicizing it. Jeebus.

It is when you say it to someone who doesn’t believe in facts.

/

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:19:44pm

“Hey kids, shooting innocent people just because you’re pissed is a really bad idea, mmkay? So don’t do that, mmkay?”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:19:47pm

re: #408 Jenner7

“Mass shootings are becoming an almost-everyday occurrence in this country. This sickening and senseless gun violence must stop.”

How did Bernie politicize this?

He doesn’t know what kind of guns were used!!!!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:20:43pm

re: #415 GlutenFreeJesus

He doesn’t know what kind of guns were used!!!!

The kind that shoot bullets out the front end.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:20:50pm

Now all the Electors have joined the war. I have Vassalized 2 of them.

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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:21:30pm

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

And just to be clear, not all pro-gun control Dems rushed to politicize this horror show:

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You mean be more classy like when many republicans bashed PP, some while the standoff was still going on?

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:21:47pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

Would it be possible for the Democratic candidate’s for president to at least wait until we know what happened, what guns were used, and how they were acquired before rushing out to demand new laws:

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I found the tweets in question here.

Nope. Their comments were certainly more responsive than the smarmy bullshit put forth by the Republican candidates. Hell, even the Daily News said it:

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:22:08pm

And it isn’t just the left that’s already politicizing this murder rampage. There are two tweets from Republican presidential candidates. First we have an entirely appropriate tweet from Ted Cruz:

Then we have a tweet from Donald Trump, who bothers high-frequency sensitive ears with the dog whistle he blows:

Trump’s over-the-top tribute to law enforcement can only be read as a disguised slap and those who are at times critical of police.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:22:41pm

re: #417 The War TARDIS

Now all the Electors have joined the war. I have Vassalized 2 of them.

You feudal lord, you!

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Amory Blaine  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:23:05pm

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

Would it be possible for the Democratic candidate’s for president to at least wait until we know what happened, what guns were used, and how they were acquired before rushing out to demand new laws:

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I found the tweets in question here.

Why does knowing exactly which gun is used in a tragedy important?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:24:13pm

From the LA Times:

Both dead suspects identified

The male and female suspects who died in a gun battle with police this afternoon were Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27, San Bernardino’s police chief announced.

Farook was born in the U.S. and worked as a county employee, and Malik’s nationality was not yet known, Chief Jarrod Burguan said.

The pair had a relationship, he said: They were either married or engaged.

Each had an assault rifle and a semiautomatic handgun when they died, he said.

Burguan said police are confident there were two shooters in this morning’s massacre.

— Lauren Raab

Note that Farook was a US citizen, not an immigrant or a refugee.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:25:25pm

re: #422 Amory Blaine

Why does knowing exactly which gun is used in a tragedy important?

Because if it was a gun stolen from law enforcement or smuggled into the country then it was never legally available for civilian sale.

Before we propose laws to solve problems let’s at least know what problems we’re trying to solve.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:27:13pm

So, too soon?

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:27:36pm

re: #425 Amory Blaine

So, too soon?

Apparently.

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Stanley Sea Toujours  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:27:46pm
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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:27:59pm

As much as I am in favor of tighter restrictions on who is able to obtain firearms, this specific case might be one where the obvious checks (mental health, violent criminal history, etc) might have not had any effect. Every indication we have so far is that the individuals here had no prior inclination toward violence - especially at this level.

Unless you want to go down the road of restricting the sale/possession weapons to individuals belonging to a particular race or religion - which I adamantly am NOT in favor of - there doesn’t appear to be any obvious flags that would have been raised here.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:28:32pm

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

What. No “legally lurchased from a neighboring state with lax gun laws” option?

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:28:32pm

re: #423 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Note that Farook was a US citizen, not an immigrant or a refugee.

That doesn’t matter to the millions of mouthbreathers who are voting for Trump in the next election. He’s got a Muslim-y name to that crowd and that’s all they need to keep stoking their anger and hatred.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:28:33pm

Like anyone would need to import a gun here. Spare me dark, you know better.

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blueraven  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:28:47pm

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Because if it was a gun stolen from law enforcement or smuggled into the country then it was never legally available for civilian sale.

Before we propose laws to solve problems let’s at least know what problems we’re trying to solve.

How about expanded BG checks. Closing gun show loopholes. Allowing CDC to study gun violence. Cracking down on straw purchases. Just for a start?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:30:03pm

re: #432 blueraven

How about expanded BG checks. Closing gun show loopholes. Allowing CDC to study gun violence. Cracking down on straw purchases. Just for a start?

Too soon, you ghoul!

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:31:32pm

re: #432 blueraven

How about expanded BG checks. Closing gun show loopholes. Allowing CDC to study gun violence. Cracking down on straw purchases. Just for a start?

HOW DARE YOU POLITICIZE THIS WHILE THE BODIES ARE STILL WARM!

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:31:41pm

re: #431 Amory Blaine

Like anyone would need to import a gun here. Spare me dark, you know better.

And yet the AKs used in the North Hollywood bank robbery were illegally imported full-auto weapons and people continue to be caught trying to smuggle full-auto contraband into the US.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:33:17pm

re: #432 blueraven

How about expanded BG checks. Closing gun show loopholes. Allowing CDC to study gun violence. Cracking down on straw purchases. Just for a start?

mandatory lessons on how to shoot, store and maintain them? I mean, you have to take tests to get a driver’s license, why not a gun license?

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:34:13pm

re: #429 GlutenFreeJesus

What. No “legally lurchased from a neighboring state with lax gun laws” option?

First we’d have to know any such laws were inadequate in this case before we’d know. That’s why the circumstances matter.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:34:36pm

re: #427 Stanley Sea Toujours

Worth adding the follow-up:

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:34:45pm

From this LA Times report, it’s beginning to sound like a workplace grievance, or a “troubled employee” situation.
latimes.com

Still not clear whether Farook and Malik were married to each other.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:35:17pm

re: #437 Dark_Falcon

CDC gun violence study. How about it.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:36:43pm

re: #438 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Worth adding the follow-up:

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Who cares since they both Mooslum? Kill ‘em both and let Allah sort it out!!1

And I’m sure bigots are unsarcastically tweeting what I just posted as we speak.

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Snarknado!  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:36:44pm

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Because if it was a gun stolen from law enforcement or smuggled into the country then it was never legally available for civilian sale.

Before we propose laws to solve problems let’s at least know what problems we’re trying to solve.

The problem we’re trying to solve is more than 350 mass shootings in 2015 alone.

The reason we imagine that we know what laws would solve it is that proposals are modeled on laws that have been tried and found effective in other countries.

(Sorry to drop this and run, but I have to go to bed now. I’ll be around tomorrow, I expect….)

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:38:43pm

re: #440 GlutenFreeJesus

CDC gun violence study. How about it.

No. The CDC should confine itself to matters of diseases. Matters of crime are matters for other agencies.

And I’m signing off. I had to work late and I’m tired. But working late helped me get a big sale, so that’s good news.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:39:56pm

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

Lead poisoning is a big deal, you know.

half-/

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gwangung  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:40:47pm

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

No. The CDC should confine itself to matters of diseases. Matters of crime are matters for other agencies.

Wrong.

CDC is Public Health. Gun deaths do not cover just crime, but also accidents, which IS under the purvey of the CDC.

CDC is the BEST place to do the research.

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:41:51pm

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

No. The CDC should confine itself to matters of diseases. Matters of crime are matters for other agencies.

This is a bunch of baloney. People dying is a health issue. People are dying by guns at an alarming rate, yet we have no reliable data.

But go ahead and

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darthstar  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:43:14pm

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

I’m not the one being an asshole.

Fine…you’re being a…

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darthstar  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:44:15pm

Hm…I must have a malformed private tag…my bad.

(~):-}

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darthstar  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:46:20pm

And you’re still online, DF, so we’re cool You know you were being a dick. Sleep well, shaved balls.

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John_Manyjars  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:47:05pm

re: #235 Aunty Entity Dragon

Nooo…mangoes…do not want

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teleskiguy  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:48:25pm
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John_Manyjars  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:48:51pm

re: #445 gwangung

If the fetishization of guns and violence isn’t a ‘disease’, I don’t know what is. People are right to use CDC data in fighting this disease.

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darthstar  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:52:12pm

Still the best tweet of the day.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 10:58:24pm

re: #445 gwangung

Wrong.

CDC is Public Health. Gun deaths do not cover just crime, but also accidents, which IS under the purvey of the CDC.

CDC is the BEST place to do the research.

I’ve got guns but I’m also pro-science and I don’t understand how this is even a question. I was shocked to find out that studying this has been blocked. I had no idea. “BUT IT WILL BE A BACKDOOR TO GUN CONFISCASHUN!!!” Uhhhm… If we can average a death toll of the Paris attacks twice a week, with daily double-digit body counts from shootings, and nobody lifts a finger against firearms ownership, I think that slippery slope is pretty much not slippery. At all.

The gun lobby has failed to remember the important lesson that if you act like a bunch of rabid, paranoid a-holes, everybody will characterize you as rabid, paranoid a-holes. The tone coming out of the NRA, NRA-ILA, and their various publications has been batshit nuts since at least the Obama administration. Just a level of meanness, scare mongering, and hysteria that I do NOT remember from my youth.

Gun culture is inherently reactionary and every one of these shootings actually drives up sales. The buying binges used to be tied to election cycles, but in the era of 24-7 infopsychosis, every day is a good day to stock up on firepower because somewhere, someplace, there are violent black people and mushy-brained commie liberals who need to be stopped!!11. It’s crazy.

And that’s before we get to the manufacturers and marketing. AR-15 ownership isn’t just possession of a physical thing, it’s become an accessorized lifestyle… Don’t get me started.

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gwangung  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:00:21pm

re: #454 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’ve got guns but I’m also pro-science and I don’t understand how this is even a question.

We’re dealing with Republicans. They don’t believe in science. Just the neat toys they get from it.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:00:55pm

re: #455 gwangung

We’re dealing with Republicans. They don’t believe in science. Just the neat toys they get from it.

I wonder which gun we’ll next be graced with a photo of for no apparent reason.

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Jenner7  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:02:22pm

Long, shitty day. G’night.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:05:11pm

re: #455 gwangung

Yeah, I know.

The real terrorism is inside everybody’s heads. Buy this thousand-dollar killing device because it symbolizes your dedication to Freedom. Don’t forget the extra magazines. And this cool handgrip. And parts engraved with symbols of things you revere. And a $700 red dot sight like they used in Iraq. Liberals will hate you, blonde babes will dig you, and nobody can ever stop you from doing what you want to do… Even though you don’t do anything, really, except go to work, watch TV, and bitch about Obama on the internet like every other middle class fatass white guy in the country.

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John_Manyjars  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:06:06pm

re: #419 BeachDem

Great cover, sums it all up nicely. Thanks for sharing the pic.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:06:24pm

One thing that has really struck me about this particular instance of what is an increasingly likely case of workplace violence is how mind-numbingly simple it would be for a similar event to occur in just about any workplace with an office setting around the country. I know of too many places where carrying backpacks into and out of the workplace is common due to proliferation of portable computers (laptops etc), and sneaking in items of destruction would be downright trivial.

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:09:20pm

re: #460 Bill and Opus for 2016!

I know of too many places where carrying backpacks into and out of the workplace is common due to proliferation of portable computers (laptops etc), and sneaking in items of destruction would be downright trivial.

Of course, anywhere that employees have access on nights and weekends (most of my jobs, for instance, including at an investment bank) there’s no need to sneak anything. Just take it in when there’s nobody around to see.

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The War TARDIS  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:10:20pm

re: #417 The War TARDIS

And I have destroyed it.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:14:23pm

re: #460 Bill and Opus for 2016!

One thing that has really struck me about this particular instance of what is an increasingly likely case of workplace violence is how mind-numbingly simple it would be for a similar event to occur in just about any workplace with an office setting around the country. I know of too many places where carrying backpacks into and out of the workplace is common due to proliferation of portable computers (laptops etc), and sneaking in items of destruction would be downright trivial.

I accidentally brought something into an old job that I shouldn’t have, once (I do honor the rules, in the interests of not getting fired). I had been moving some things around in my car and re-sorting the contents of my pockets, and rather unbelievably had lost direct track of my .380 which it turns out was in my bag and not my glove compartment. I opened my bag at my desk and was like “Ooops…”

There is nothing stopping people from walking all the way in with handguns at 90% of the jobs out there. I had walked in right through all the mall cop security, including door officers.

That’s what these Commandos of The Imagination don’t get when they say “I’d have stopped it!” or “If only there was a GGWAG”. Yeah OK, well if I had been of a mind to kill everyone in the room when I accidentally brought in that thing I shouldn’t have, there would have been zero warning. I could have taken it out of my bag as fast as I take out my coffee cup or my phone charger and offed three or four people before anybody would even start to react.

There is no “stopping” these things unless you have strong, aggressive entry security, and that’s expensive and inconvenient for everybody.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:15:35pm

re: #460 Bill and Opus for 2016!

One thing that has really struck me about this particular instance of what is an increasingly likely case of workplace violence is how mind-numbingly simple it would be for a similar event to occur in just about any workplace with an office setting around the country. I know of too many places where carrying backpacks into and out of the workplace is common due to proliferation of portable computers (laptops etc), and sneaking in items of destruction would be downright trivial.

I work for a tech company. I have a lunchbox I bring every day that could easily conceal a couple of handguns and a fair bit of ammo. Friends of mine have laptop cases and backpacks which, as you say, could conceal all manner of weaponry. We have on-site security but they don’t bag check.

Heck, this time of year I could wrap a bomb like a Christmas present and put it wherever I wanted to.

Have we really reached an age where we live in fear of everyone?

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Tigger2  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:17:51pm

re: #464 Eclectic Cyborg

I work for a tech company. I have a lunchbox I bring every day that could easily conceal a couple of handguns and a fair bit of ammo. Friends of mine have laptop cases and backpacks which, as you say, could conceal all manner of weaponry. We have on-site security but they don’t bag check.

Heck, this time of year I could wrap a bomb like a Christmas present and put it wherever I wanted to.

Have we really reached an age where we live in fear of everyone?

The wingnuts have.

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Kragar  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:19:28pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:20:00pm

I’ve completed a plot outline for my book “The Vows”. It’s about two young people in Ohio who think their lives are going nowhere, a chance meeting sets them on a journey that will take them from Ohio to Colorado to Las Vegas to Florida with an ending no one will ever forget.

I don’t expect to have the first draft complete for at least another couple of months but I was hoping their might be a couple of volunteer editors around here who might be willing to offer me feedback and suggestions to better polish the final product. If you’re interested, let me know and I’ll get you on the list for when I get the draft done. Thanks in advance to willing helpers.

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:21:30pm

re: #436 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

mandatory lessons on how to shoot, store and maintain them? I mean, you have to take tests to get a driver’s license, why not a gun license?

There’s one in Connecticut, you need to take the course in order to get a card that lets you buy guns and ammo. It’s bullshit. Most such required courses use materials developed by the NRA. Which includes ample indoctrination bullshit.

Plus, in Connecticut, the final written test was open book, open notes, ask the class. No learning required. The only way to fail would be to do something egregiously stupid during the firing range portion of the class, and get caught.

Like I said, it’s bullshit. Most likely the NRA would fight any training requirement that had any semblance of rigor.

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Tigger2  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:26:24pm

re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve completed a plot outline for my book “The Vows”. It’s about two young people in Ohio who think their lives are going nowhere, a chance meeting sets them on a journey that will take them from Ohio to Colorado to Las Vegas to Florida with an ending no one will ever forget.

I don’t expect to have the first draft complete for at least another couple of months but I was hoping their might be a couple of volunteer editors around here who might be willing to offer me feedback and suggestions to better polish the final product. If you’re interested, let me know and I’ll get you on the list for when I get the draft done. Thanks in advance to willing helpers.

Good Luck on your book.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:26:24pm

re: #463 Pawn of the Oppressor

I accidentally brought something into an old job that I shouldn’t have, once (I do honor the rules, in the interests of not getting fired). There is nothing stopping people from walking all the way in with handguns at 90% of the jobs out there.

That’s what these Commandos of The Imagination don’t get when they say “I’d have stopped it!” or “If only there was a GGWAG”. Yeah OK, well if I had been of a mind to kill everyone in the room when I accidentally brought in that thing I shouldn’t have, there would have been zero warning. I could have taken it out of my bag as fast as I take out my coffee cup or my phone charger and offed three or four people before anybody would even start to react.

There is no “stopping” these things unless you have strong, aggressive entry security, and that’s expensive and inconvenient for everybody.

I work on assignments around the country in facilities with all types of security. I use temp workers for many assignments, and in some of the places, the temps have to get photo id badges to get into specific doors in specific buildings. And as often as not, the system fails—one of the most stringent locations, with really strict security, issued badges to my temps that were supposed to let them in only the exterior door, then I was supposed to badge them into a secure area once they’d accessed the exterior door. One day, I was there, by myself at about 4 am, waiting for the first worker to arrive. I heard somebody walking down the hallway within the secure area and kind of freaked out. Of course, it was a temp who had figured out how to come in another door and down the hallway, and basically had access to the whole complex.

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:27:56pm

re: #442 Snarknado!

The problem we’re trying to solve is more than 350 mass shootings in 2015 alone.

And there’s no need for the solution for *this* to also be the solution for gang shootings. You can have different solutions for different, but similar, problems.

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jonhendry  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:30:34pm

re: #439 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From this LA Times report, it’s beginning to sound like a workplace grievance, or a “troubled employee” situation.
latimes.com

Still not clear whether Farook and Malik were married to each other.

NY Times says they were married and have a six month old kid, who was left with Farook’s mother Wednesday morning.

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BeachDem  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:32:15pm

re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m a writer and have also been an editor, and I’d be glad to take a gander when you get it done. (Also an avid reader, and a grammar and spelling pedant!)

Edited to add—also have lived in Ohio, so have a good feel for locations and colloquialisms.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:37:36pm

re: #473 BeachDem

I’m a writer and have also been an editor, and I’d be glad to take a gander when you get it done. (Also an avid reader, and a grammar and spelling pedant!)

Edited to add—also have lived in Ohio, so have a good feel for locations and colloquialisms.

Ok, I may need your help then. I grew up in the great lakes region so I’m already pretty familiar with the climate and such. The book begins in a small town outside of Dayton.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 2, 2015 • 11:58:35pm

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

I’m not the one being an asshole.

No, really, Dark, it’s you.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 3, 2015 • 12:06:40am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Because if it was a gun stolen from law enforcement or smuggled into the country then it was never legally available for civilian sale.

Before we propose laws to solve problems let’s at least know what problems we’re trying to solve.

Oh, bullshit, Dark! It doesn’t matter how these guns were obtained. They were obtainable because we have TOO MANY FUCKING GUNS IN THIS COUNTRY!! And we have too many fucking guns because of people like you who support a party that is nothing more than a pawn of the firearms industry.

The problem we’re trying to solve, which somehow, many other countries seem to have solved is how not to have so many fucking guns!!!

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PeterWolf  Dec 3, 2015 • 12:07:49am

Yeh Dark, it really is you. You sound like you think it’s criminal to dare to suggest finding ways to reduce gun violence. Don’t you support efforts to reduce gun violence Dark?

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 3, 2015 • 12:18:18am

I’m getting so jaded, the evening isn’t quite complete until the second high speed chase on the local scanner. The first one was interesting, suspect decided to go off-road from the freeway, and escaped onto surface streets. Fuckin’ California, eh.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 12:18:58am

re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg

Add me to the list. No promises, but I’d like to read it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 12:20:27am

re: #472 jonhendry

NY Times says they were married and have a six month old kid, who was left with Farook’s mother Wednesday morning.

Oh, that’s really sad. Poor kid. Poor grandparents. What made these two go off the rails, i wonder?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 12:21:02am

re: #474 Eclectic Cyborg

Ok, I may need your help then. I grew up in the great lakes region so I’m already pretty familiar with the climate and such. The book begins in a small town outside of Dayton.

Yellow Springs?

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Tigger2  Dec 3, 2015 • 12:24:53am

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

Because if it was a gun stolen from law enforcement or smuggled into the country then it was never legally available for civilian sale.

Before we propose laws to solve problems let’s at least know what problems we’re trying to solve.

Well at least we know so far that 2 of the guns were bought legally.

Two guns recovered from suspects were purchased legally, federal officials say
Meredith Davis, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said officials had “successfully traced” the four guns recovered in connection with the San Bernardino shooting and determined that two of the weapons were purchased legally.

The guns were bought by an individual associated with the investigation, Davis said but declined to name the person.

“Agents continue to investigate leads concerning the two additional firearms,” Davis said.

Police officials said that two suspects, Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, were armed with two assault rifles and two semiautomatic handguns.

The assault rifles were a .223-caliber DPMS Model A15 and a Smith and Wesson M&P15. One of the handguns was manufactured by Llama, and the other by Smith and Wesson.

— Joel Rubin and Christine Mai-Duc

latimes.com

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:01:43am

re: #472 jonhendry

NY Times says they were married and have a six month old kid, who was left with Farook’s mother Wednesday morning.

Glad to know the kid is alright, at least?

Just damn. :/

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:16:04am

Seeing how this could turn out to be a case of a non-terrorist mass shooting - analogous to Craig Hicks shooting people apparently over a parking lot dispute - this is exactly why you shouldn’t hurry with the label of terrorism. Those who were calling the media complicit yesterday for mere use of qualifiers should maybe have some introspective thoughts.

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Tigger2  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:20:48am

re: #484 Nyet

Seeing how this could turn out to be a case of a non-terrorist mass shooting - analogous to Craig Hicks shooting people apparently over a parking lot dispute - this is exactly why you shouldn’t hurry with the label of terrorism. Those who were calling the media complicit yesterday for mere use of qualifiers should maybe have some introspective thoughts.

Yeah it’s starting to sound like an Employer/Employee problem. since it was all family members attacking an Employer meeting/party. And the one attacker was in the meeting/ party for a while before he left mad.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:20:53am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

I think you mean the entire Bill of Rights.

We are a Christian Nation Under God and the Constitution does not apply to anyone who does not fit the bill.

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:23:38am

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Facebook actually has been very good to me. I’ve gotten to know some cousins I otherwise would not know since I started a family history group.

I occasionally get political, but FB is more about who you are hanging with, what you are reading/watching and what you had for dinner.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:25:49am

re: #487 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

I occasionally get political, but FB is more about who you are hanging with, what you are reading/watching and what you had for dinner.

That’s my opinion, too, but the trend now is to use it for political statements or to push your website.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:26:48am

re: #326 Dr Lizardo

Berlin, Germany. Quite a large Muslim community there.

Most any large city in Germany. But they are kind of overloaded with Syrian refugees (over 1 million in 2015 alone)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:32:06am

re: #439 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

From this LA Times report, it’s beginning to sound like a workplace grievance, or a “troubled employee” situation.
latimes.com

Still not clear whether Farook and Malik were married to each other.

It is ISLAMIC terror, and anyone not willing to shout it from the rooftops (once they have been cleared of cheering Muslims) is a traitor and terrorist sympathizer.

/

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:32:58am

LA Times reporting police found explosive devices of some kind at the site, like pipe bombs.
latimes.com

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Tigger2  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:36:43am

re: #490 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is ISLAMIC terror, and anyone not willing to shout it from the rooftops (once they have been cleared of cheerimg Muslims) is a traitor and terrorist sympathizer.

/

According to the TV everyone that was shot was a co worker of his. The is a pretty narrow focus for a regular Terrorist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:37:43am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

Would it be possible for the Democratic candidates for president to at least wait until we know what happened, what guns were used, and how they were acquired before rushing out to demand new laws:

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I found the tweets in question here.

I have to grudgingly agree with DF that the politicians in question could have and should have waited for more details before tweeting, but I nonetheless believe that we need stricter gun control laws.

Whether these guns used were legal or illegal in this particular case is somewhat irrelevant: THERE ARE TOO MANY MASS SHOOTINGS IN THE USA

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Tigger2  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:44:55am

Just heard on TV that two boys 10 and 11 in NJ were caught planing to set off a bomb at their school assembly.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:45:29am

re: #492 Tigger2

According to the TV everyone that was shot was a co worker of his.

Well, shit. Is Farook going to be one of those “really quiet and polite guys” who suddenly goes postal because he felt alienated or ignored? And how does his missus fit into all of this?

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:45:32am

The key word is “could” though. Pipe bombs and the level of training/organization would still point in the other direction. The workplace relationships might have influenced the choice of targets, but at least at first sight this doesn’t look like a typical running-amok.

IOW, we should wait, but this m.o. is pretty compatible with the tactics recommended in Dabiq.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:46:11am

re: #494 Tigger2

Just heard on TV that two boys 10 and 11 in NJ were caught planing to set a bomb at their school assembly.

Please tell me they were not Muslims.

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Tigger2  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:47:00am

re: #496 Nyet

The key word is “could” though. Pipe bombs and the level of training/organization would still point in the other direction. The workplace relationships might have influenced the choice of targets, but at least at first sight this doesn’t look like a typical running-amok.

IOW, we should wait, but this m.o. is pretty compatible with the tactics recommended in Dabiq.

He could have been upset at his Employer for a long time and planned this.
And Pipe bombs must not be to hard to make the idiot my EX married after our divorce made a pipe bomb and tossed it threw her kitchen window when they were splitting up. It blew half her kitchen apart.

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Tigger2  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:47:24am

re: #497 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Please tell me they were not Muslims.

They didn’t say

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:51:39am

re: #497 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Please tell me they were not Muslims.

You WANT them to be angry white males? Why do you hate white people?

/

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:55:14am

re: #499 Tigger2

They didn’t say

From the Bergen Record:

About 9:30 a.m. Wednesday, police received a call from school officials who said they had uncovered written plans by the fifth-graders to bring an explosive device to the high school during a field trip that was scheduled for later in the afternoon, said Detective Sgt. Robert Bracken, spokesman for the Police Department.

The students from the Merselis Avenue elementary school were to attend an event at the high school, which was canceled following the discovery.

Police discovered a device, which was not explosive and included a mixture of cinnamon and vinegar, Bracken said. This was definitely not a prank, the sergeant said, adding the children’s intention was to carry out the plan.

“They didn’t have the right equipment, but the intent was there,” Bracken said. “This is very disturbing,” he said, and added that the situation is under investigation, as is the motive.

northjersey.com

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 1:58:39am

re: #498 Tigger2

He could have been upset at his Employer for a long time and planed this.

When someone forsakes their life for the aim of getting back at someone for some pretty petty stuff, it never makes sense to us, but we can at least grasp it if it was a “spur of the moment” thing. You know, “I had my gun and was seeing red”. So while I don’t exclude anything until the facts come in, psychologically your explanation seems less plausible to me than the alternative. Well, we’ll see pretty soon.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 2:01:58am

re: #502 Nyet

When someone forsakes their life for the aim of getting back at someone for some pretty petty stuff, it never makes sense to us, but we can at least grasp it if it was a “spur of the moment” thing. You know, “I had my gun and was seeing red”. So while I don’t exclude anything until the facts come in, psychologically your explanation seems less plausible to me than the alternative. Well, we’ll see pretty soon.

There is no escaping that this is going to be branded as Islamic terror and proof of why we should not be letting anyone into the country who isn’t white and Christian.

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Tigger2  Dec 3, 2015 • 2:05:39am

re: #502 Nyet

When someone forsakes their life for the aim of getting back at someone for some pretty petty stuff, it never makes sense to us, but we can at least grasp it if it was a “spur of the moment” thing. You know, “I had my gun and was seeing red”. So while I don’t exclude anything until the facts come in, psychologically your explanation seems less plausible to me than the alternative. Well, we’ll see pretty soon.

You must not know to many people like I have known in my past that have held some very hard deep set hated for years over stuff I would call petty. but then again some of the people I have known could be called crazy lol. Bikers.

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 2:11:58am

Yesre: #504 Tigger2

You must not know to many people like I have known in my past that have held some very hard deep set hated for years over stuff I would call petty.

Yes, unlike you, I’m not acquainted with any folks willing to sacrifice their lives in order to commit mass murder over personal slights. I guess I’m lucky that way.//

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 2:15:16am

re: #505 Nyet

Yes

Yes, unlike you, I’m not acquainted with any folks willing to sacrifice their lives in order to commit mass murder over personal slights. I guess I’m lucky that way.//

I also make an effort to avoid people who seem to go out of their way to find things to take offense at.

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 2:27:11am

If it does turn out to be terrorism, this might be relevant:

adl.org
Inspire blends al-Awlaki’s incitement to violence with practical instructions on making explosives. An article entitled “Make a Bomb in the Kitchen of Your Mom” provides step-by-step instructions on making an explosive device using household ingredients such as sugar, match heads, Christmas lights, batteries and a clock. “In one or two days the bomb could be ready to kill at least ten people,” the article reads. “In a month you may make a bigger and more lethal bomb that could kill tens of people.” According to the author, the bomb-making instructions not only “relieve” readers “of the “difficulty of traveling to us,” but also enable “individual work inside the West such as the operations of Nidal Hassan and Faisal Shahzad.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 2:29:55am

re: #507 Nyet

If it does turn out to be terrorism, this might be relevant:

It is already terrorism to the RW blogosphere and Donald Trump, so we might as well just get used to it.

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 2:31:44am

re: #508 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Let’s not measure what we do, think and say by their measuring stick.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 2:49:01am

re: #509 Nyet

Let’s not measure what we do, think and say by their measuring stick.

I just mean that this attack is a gold mine of talking points for the Right Wing. The fact that the attacker was a Muslim has already begun to overshadow the discussion of mass shootings.

It will be presented as everything from example of the War on Christmas to proof that Islam is a violent, murderous religion and that is why we should not let anyone into this country who is not white or Christian.

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 3:01:04am

BTW, as we have established earlier, “workplace incident” is a technical term that doesn’t exclude any motives. This was automatically a workplace incident. The only question is what led to it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 3:09:10am

re: #511 Nyet

BTW, as we have established earlier, “workplace incident” is a technical term that doesn’t exclude any motives. This was automatically a workplace incident. The only question is what led to it.

And one of the explanations that will be offered is that this fellow’s religion convinced him he was justified in doing it…unlike the Planned parenthood shooter.

/

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 3:12:52am

re: #512 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

And one of the explanations that will be offered is that this fellow’s religion convinced him he was justified in doing it…unlike the Planned parenthood shooter.

/

Or its mirror opposite, depending on one’s political preferences.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 3:25:06am

re: #513 Nyet

Or its mirror opposite, depending on one’s political preferences.

In any case, the discussion will be all about Islam, immigration and terror, and the issue of mass shootings and gun control will be buried in the shouting match.

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 3:29:22am

re: #514 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It doesn’t seem this case is relevant to the gun control debate, given the clean perpetrator backgrounds and lawful gun acquisition. Unless gun control means gun confiscation. With which I actually increasingly agree, but which is absolutely unimplementable.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 3:42:05am

re: #515 Nyet

It doesn’t seem this case is relevant to the gun control debate, given the clean perpetrator backgrounds and lawful gun acquisition. Unless gun control means gun confiscation. With which I actually increasingly agree, but which is absolutely unimplementable.

Indirectly relevant: I am sure that stricter and better enforced gun control laws would help decrease the number of mass shootings in the US.

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 3:45:06am

re: #516 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Indirectly relevant: I am sure that stricter and better enforced gun control laws would help decrease the number of mass shootings in the US.

Absolutely. But the other 350+ shootings that happened earlier this year will probably be a better argument than this particular one.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 3:54:23am

re: #517 Nyet

Absolutely. But the other 350+ shootings that happened earlier this year will probably be a better argument than this particular one.

Yes, this is going to be all about Islam and terror and immigration.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 4:42:57am

re: #502 Nyet

When someone forsakes their life for the aim of getting back at someone for some pretty petty stuff, it never makes sense to us, but we can at least grasp it if it was a “spur of the moment” thing. You know, “I had my gun and was seeing red”. So while I don’t exclude anything until the facts come in, psychologically your explanation seems less plausible to me than the alternative. Well, we’ll see pretty soon.

If we accept the apparent, look for some kind of self-reinforcing feedback loop tying ideology to workplace incidents to excessive reaction to stepped up ideology, spiralling up over time.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 4:43:47am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

Would it be possible for the Democratic candidates for president to at least wait until we know what happened, what guns were used, and how they were acquired before rushing out to demand new laws:

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I found the tweets in question here.

There’s nothing politicizing with any of those three statements. I’d appreciate if you didn’t sound like a lobbyist for the gun lobby everytime one of these tragedies happens. I pointed out to the community yesterday and I’ll let you know too. I know what it’s like to lose a family member to gun violence. I know what it’s also like to see one of these massacres on television and worry about your family and friends. O’Malley is the only one who said anything about the NRA and you know what he’s 100% right. The NRA does repeatedly oppose safe regulation not to mention bully people who do support safe regulations and compare them to the fucking Nazis. And where was your outrage at the candidates in your party who actually tried to find a false equivalency between Planned Parenthood and bastard who shot them up? So yeah dude you’re an apologist for gun violence because you keep on making excuses and frankly it’s getting old.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 4:50:59am

re: #519 Decatur Deb

If we accept the apparent, look for some kind if self-reinforcing feedback loop tying ideology to workplace incidents to excessive reaction to stepped up ideology, spiralling up over time.

Edit:
After reading more, my explanation seems less likely—surviving co-worker says he was “well-liked”.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2015 • 4:54:24am

re: #389 Dark_Falcon

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Really? I thought it was pretty funny.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:01:31am

523 comments overnite. My phone is going to hate me today.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:16:55am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

If you’re more “concerned” with what Democratic Politicians say rather than the epidemic mass shootings in this country, then you really need to reevaluate your life.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:17:02am

You know what I hate is that we have to specify which tragedy we’re talking about. Other countries don’t have that. I honestly don’t know what the solution is nor do I have the answers but this much I do know, our status quo isn’t working. And I do think it’s perfectly reasonable to suggest that our gun laws are part of a greater problem. I read about too many people shot by a trigger happy neighbor who flips out over the smallest thing, too many children who die because some relative was too stupid to secure their gun in a place that could not be reached by a child, etc. These events are unheard of in our allies. And yes the CDC should be studying in. The NRA and gun lobby in general shouldn’t be able to bully people who want meaningful research into gun violence and they do time and time again not to mention the insidious lies they do by comparing gun control advocates to some of the most evil people in history but gun control advocates are the bad guys sigh. Anyhow rant done.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:17:03am

re: #508 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is already terrorism to the RW blogosphere and Donald Trump, so we might as well just get used to it.

We still need to get to the bottom of it. It could be a ‘blended motive’, if you will: Someone struggling in life who turns to a brand of totalitarianism as the Answer-To-Everything. Then continued thwarting at work plus Al Qaeda and Daesh’s continual incitement of terror attacks and you’ve got the ingredients for mass murder. Making matters even worse would be that in this case the killer indoctrinated his woman and at least one other other person, thereby turning into a cell leader (which likely boosted both his ego and his determination to kill).

This is just a speculation, you understand.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:19:31am

re: #526 Dark_Falcon

We still need to get to the bottom of it. It could be a ‘blended motive’, if you will: Someone struggling in life who turns to a brand of totalitarianism as the Answer-To-Everything. Then continued thwarting at work plus Al Qaeda and Daesh’s continual incitement of terror attacks and you’ve got the ingredients for mass murder. Making matters even worse would be that in this case the killer indoctrinated his bitch (when she turned terrorist she stopped being a lady and became a bitch in my eyes) and at least one other other person, thereby turning into a cell leader (which likely boosted both his ego and his determination to kill).

This is just a speculation, you understand.

No need to speculate, this is already the established motive in RW circles: terrorism and Islam and immigration.

terrorism and Islam and immigration

terrorism and Islam and immigration

terrorism and Islam and immigration

terrorism and Islam and immigration

terrorism and Islam and immigration

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Jayleia  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:19:48am

re: #443 Dark_Falcon

No. The CDC should confine itself to matters of diseases. Matters of crime are matters for other agencies.

What causes people to die is a matter that should probably be studied by NIH (perhaps not CDC, but PERHAPS THE GOP SHOULD ALLOW SOME GOVERNMENT AGENCY TO STUDY THIS)

This isn’t a matter of crime. Its a matter of what determining what is killing people, and how to prevent those deaths…remember that two thirds of people that are killed by guns live in the same body as their killers.

Then you have accidental deaths and injuries…

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:20:19am

re: #526 Dark_Falcon

Throw in a little folie à deux and that’s a recipe for some big damn trouble. Or alternatively, maybe the whole thing really was just one big folie à deux.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:20:48am

re: #525 HappyWarrior

You know what I hate is that we have to specify which tragedy we’re talking about. Other countries don’t have that. I honestly don’t know what the solution is nor do I have the answers but this much I do know, our status quo isn’t working. And I do think it’s perfectly reasonable to suggest that our gun laws are part of a greater problem. I read about too many people shot by a trigger happy neighbor who flips out over the smallest thing, too many children who die because some relative was too stupid to secure their gun in a place that could not be reached by a child, etc. These events are unheard of in our allies. And yes the CDC should be studying in. The NRA and gun lobby in general shouldn’t be able to bully people who want meaningful research into gun violence and they do time and time again not to mention the insidious lies they do by comparing gun control advocates to some of the most evil people in history but gun control advocates are the bad guys sigh. Anyhow rant done.

The status quo is working well enough for at least half the country, or it wouldn’t be the status quo. Most of us can vote.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:21:11am

If you look at the CDC’s missiong statement. They work to protect America from health, security, and safety threats. Gun violence falls in that realm. Anyhow as much as I would love to chat about this. I gotta get to a one time job I’m doing today.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:21:20am

re: #464 Eclectic Cyborg

Have we really reached an age where we live in fear of everyone?

Only in America.

Semi/

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:22:14am

re: #508 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

It is already terrorism to the RW blogosphere and Donald Trump, so we might as well just get used to it.

Of course it is, because….

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:25:12am

The other mass shooting that happened [yesterday] today in the United States

The rampage that claimed at least 14 lives in San Bernardino, Calif., isn’t today’s first mass shooting. Here’s news you probably missed: A gunman in Savannah, Ga., shot four people early Wednesday, killing a woman and injuring three men.

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:25:33am

re: #526 Dark_Falcon

Sorry DF, but it very much looks like an excuse to use the b-word.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:26:24am
Guns
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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:27:50am

Carly Fiorina on Morning Joke desperately trying to protect the poor, innocent guns. Holy Joe is even calling her bullshit.

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:28:14am

re: #535 Nyet

Sorry DF, but it very much looks like an excuse to use the b-word.

You said that much more nicely than I would have. I’m refraining.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:31:38am

Libtards so ghoulish to politicize this random tragedy just to politicize the guns and HEY LOOK SHOOTER NAME IS SYED FAROOK SO ISLAM WHERE WAS OBAMO GOLFING?? CLOSE ALL THE MOSQUES AND BUILD THE WALL!!!

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:31:42am

re: #535 Nyet

Sorry DF, but it very much looks like an excuse to use the b-word.

It’s not, but I see how it could look that way. I therefore edited the post to remove the word causing offense:

re: #526 Dark_Falcon

We still need to get to the bottom of it. It could be a ‘blended motive’, if you will: Someone struggling in life who turns to a brand of totalitarianism as the Answer-To-Everything. Then continued thwarting at work plus Al Qaeda and Daesh’s continual incitement of terror attacks and you’ve got the ingredients for mass murder. Making matters even worse would be that in this case the killer indoctrinated his woman and at least one other other person, thereby turning into a cell leader (which likely boosted both his ego and his determination to kill).

This is just a speculation, you understand.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:32:17am

re: #537 Dr. Matt

Carly Fiorina on Morning Joke desperately trying to protect the poor, innocent guns. Holy Joe is even calling her bullshit.

The truth is that there is no lie that Fiorina won’t tell.

Every word out of her mouth is a lie, including the “and’s” and “but’s”.

Even when that witch farts and belches, she lies…

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:32:40am

re: #536 I Would Prefer Not To

Asshole newspaper is still run by assholes. The NYDN can FOAD.

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Franklin  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:33:34am

re: #516 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Indirectly relevant: I am sure that stricter and better enforced gun control laws would help decrease the number of mass shootings in the US.

Agreed. The easy access and fetishizing of guns has lead to a culture where every conflict can be, and seemingly increasingly is, resolved with a gun.

The fact that this particular incident may not have been directly caused by a lack of sensible gun laws, the culture that we have regarding guns certainly did.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:35:20am
re: #526 Dark_Falcon

Making matters even worse would be that in this case the killer indoctrinated his bitch (when she turned terrorist she stopped being a lady and became a bitch in my eyes) and at least one other other person, thereby turning into a cell leader (which likely boosted both his ego and his determination to kill).

You really are a Trump supporter, you misogynistic prick.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:35:30am
Any good psychologist can tell you why inadequate men desire big guns!
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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:36:11am

re: #542 Dark_Falcon

Asshole newspaper is still run by assholes. The NYDN can FOAD.

Is the “asshole newspaper” run by bitches?

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:37:18am

re: #542 Dark_Falcon

Asshole newspaper is still run by assholes. The NYDN can FOAD.

…even though they endorsed Romney in 2012?????

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:37:47am

re: #543 Franklin

Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:38:07am

re: #540 Dark_Falcon

It’s not, but I see how it could look that way. I therefore edited the post to remove the word causing offense:

“…his woman…”

He owned her?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:38:23am

re: #542 Dark_Falcon

Asshole newspaper is still run by assholes. The NYDN can FOAD.

Why because they criticized the empty rhetoric offered by your party’s leaders and called for them to actually do something? They’re right. God ain’t fixing this. We are or we are not ultimately.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:38:46am

re: #548 Nyet

Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.

Insanely perverse.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:38:56am

re: #548 Nyet

Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.

So true, my friends in Europe have PLENTY of words to describe the American obsession with the Iron Penis…

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:39:03am

re: #548 Nyet

Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.

The Norwegians have a word for it. “Texas

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:40:36am

re: #548 Nyet

Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.

It is something else isn’t it. I can’t imagine how silly we look setting Black Friday gun sales records yet again.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:41:32am

re: #548 Nyet

Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.

Obsession. Worship. Complete and utter devotion to a steel god of power and retribution.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:42:01am

re: #548 Nyet

Your gun culture can’t even be described as crazy. Not sure if there is a fitting word in English to describe its utter madness.

Just poor risk management.

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:42:25am

re: #553 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

Rieseneisenersatzschwanzsyndrom.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:42:45am

re: #555 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Obsession. Worship. Complete and utter devotion to a steel god of power and retribution.

The most creepy thing to me is when they try to frame it in religious terms. That one always rubbed me the worst.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:43:07am

This madness with guns is going to continue until the guns are turned on the rich. When a bunch of rich folks get shot up you’ll finally see a 180 degree turnaround on this insanity.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:44:14am

re: #559 Joe Bacon

This madness with guns is going to continue until the guns are turned on the rich. When a bunch of rich folks get shot up you’ll finally see a 180 degree turnaround on this insanity.

Optimist. The near-martyrdom of St. Ronnie barely moved the needle.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:44:15am

re: #555 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Obsession. Worship. Complete and utter devotion to a steel god of power and retribution.

Good choice of words.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:44:39am

re: #543 Franklin

Agreed. The easy access and fetishizing of guns has lead to a culture where every conflict can, and seemingly increasingly can, be resolved with a gun.

The fact that this particular incident may not have been directly caused by a lack of sensible gun laws, the culture that we have regarding guns certainly did.

We do know for a fact that they didn’t second hand smoke all those people. Or swimming pool them.

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Jay C  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:45:24am

re: #557 Nyet

Rieseneisenersatzschwanzsyndrom.

Maybe this is one case where it doesn’t “sound better in the original German”” ??

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Franklin  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:47:12am

re: #562 darthstar

We do know for a fact that they didn’t second hand smoke all those people. Or swimming pool them.

Sorry, had to edit my response since it made no sense as typed!

What you said is true and hopefully the spirit of my post you replied to made sense!

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:48:19am

Now the librul media is going to spend the next week demanding that Muslims apologize for this shooting. But, the “motive is still unknown” when it comes to Planned Parenthood shooter.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:48:33am

We’re overthinking again. Guns are instantaneous localized power. That is enormously attractive to a lot of people, particularly the powerless.

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Joe Bacon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:49:11am

The truly depressing thing is that we know this is going to happen again within a day or a week.

And once again, Republicans will bullshit about praying for the victims and their families. Then they’ll go back to the NRA lobbyists and kneel before them…

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Nyet  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:49:27am

re: #562 darthstar

We do know for a fact that they didn’t second hand smoke all those people. Or swimming pool them.

So what law would have prevented it? Save for a universal gun ban. Which is as realistic as a unicorn…

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:49:48am

re: #38 Dr. Matt

Well, I am a scientist and last time I checked there are limited number of orifices on the human body…..just saying…

// :)

But you never know when you have friends over. ////////////////////////////

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:51:50am

re: #569 lawhawk

But you never know when you have friends over. ////////////////////////////

lol. I woke up with numerous replies debunking my sarcastic dildo tweet.

Note to self: never criticize someone’s dildo collection in the future

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:51:53am

re: #568 Nyet

So what law would have prevented it? Save for a universal gun ban. Which is as realistic as a unicorn…

Ban them? We are not even allowed to fund studies of their consequences.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:52:03am

re: #549 Sionainn

“…his woman…”

He owned her?

Best I could do at the time. It turns out they were married, but I didn’t know that at the time of the edit. And until I knew, either ‘wife’ or ‘girlfriend’ might have been incorrect.

I’ll also say that if this dirtbag was a Wahabbi/Salafist, which seems likely at this point, then it is highly probable he did see himself as owning his wife.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:53:01am

re: #568 Nyet

So what law would have prevented it? Save for a universal gun ban. Which is as realistic as a unicorn…

The assault weapons ban that congress let expire a couple of years ago would have helped make this less likely - not prevented, but reduced the chances - as thousands of assault weapons have been manufactured and sold (usually in larger quantities after a mass shooting).

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:53:33am

re: #570 Dr. Matt

lol. I woke up with numerous replies debunking my sarcastic dildo tweet.

Note to self: never criticize someone’s dildo collection in the future

Hahaha you’ll pry their dildos from their sweaty palms!

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:53:50am

Of course it’s a conspiracy….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:54:29am

re: #575 Dr. Matt

Of course it’s a conspiracy….

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Always is with that pud.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:54:37am

re: #569 lawhawk

But you never know when you have friends over. ////////////////////////////

“Never let your girlfriend move her toothbrush dildo into your apartment. Always give her a fresh one, preferably from a six-pack”.
—some ’60s comic

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:54:42am

Is it San Bernadino or San Bernardino? I’m seeing both spellings.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:54:51am

re: #574 HappyWarrior

Hahaha you’ll pry their dildos from their sweaty palms!

Or from their _____________ [fill in the blank]

:)

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:55:14am

re: #572 Dark_Falcon

Best I could do at the time. It turns out they were married, but I didn’t know that at the time of the edit. And until I knew, either ‘wife’ or ‘girlfriend’ might have been incorrect.

I’ll also say that if this dirtbag was a Wahabbi/Salafist, which seems likely at this point, then it is highly probable he did see himself as owning his wife.

He could also be Christian or Jewish. Just because he has an Arab name doesn’t give you the right to start labeling him and his partner with whatever fantasy anti-terror fanfic you have running through your mind. Upthread you called him a ‘cell leader’…you’re so far ahead of Breitbart and Fox right now you sound like fucking John McCain.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:56:04am

re: #540 Dark_Falcon

I notice you didn’t use nasty language toward the males involved in this. Also, you’re making it sound like this woman had no independent thought or action of her own making. Sure, she could have been abused and went along with him, but you know, you’re assuming a lot.

I said this yesterday about prayer: Alone, it doesn’t do a blessed thing. Nothing. Uttered without engagement or a plan of action, it’s meaningless. It makes the one offering the prayer feel like they’ve covered it because Jesus said so. NOPE. The purpose of prayer is to inspire actions. People coming together in prayer gives them the PERFECT opportunity to sit together and reflect as well as come up with real world solutions to the problems that caused the need for prayer in the first place. Getting all offended about your religion being attacked, when in fact that wasn’t what the point was AT ALL, speaks to the sense of guilt and defensiveness do nothing Christians feel. NOT ALL CHRISTIANS, just the ones who run their mouths and don’t help. ESPECIALLY the ones in positions of power who spout this shit one minute and take a check from the gun lobby the next.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:56:36am

re: #561 Dr. Matt

Good choice of words.

The true gun nuts believe that guns have a magical power to protect their owners against all enemies, foreign and domestic. It’s the same kind of belief early Christians had in the relics of the saints, to name one example. A gun is a talisman that envelops the user in a protective bubble, giving him or her supernatural strength, reflexes and wisdom. With a gun, all things are possible. All you need do is surrender to their mighty power.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:56:44am

San BernaRdino. OK.

Now I’m reading the suspects had a 6-month-old infant they left with a babysitter while they did their mass murder.

I just can’t even.

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lawhawk  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:56:48am

Here’s a shocker:

My surprised face. Let me show you.

The GOP doesn’t want people studying or doing statistical analysis of firearms injuries/fatalities, and seeks to limit the collection of data that would be useful. That includes data that might show excessive force incidents by police forces nationally.

The GOP offers up only prayers, and mealy mouthed claims that they’ll support increased mental health services, but when push comes to shove - they cut health care services further.

Democrats have to do more, but when they’re the minority party in Congress, it’s hard to move forward. Then again, they didn’t exactly act on firearms when they were in the majority either.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:57:21am

re: #578 The Vicious Babushka

Is it San Bernadino or San Bernardino? I’m seeing both spellings.

Saint Bernard - San Bernardino.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:58:19am

re: #574 HappyWarrior

Hahaha you’ll pry their dildos from their sweaty palms!

There is a similar law in Arizona. Basically, a state legislator tried to ban sex shops in general, and when that legislation failed, she felt that she had to push through some sort of legislation to restrict them.

You know, even my girlfriend, who has a large collection (large enough to be illegal in TX or AZ) is not so completely obsessed with them that she devotes weeks and months of her time thinking and deliberating about them, as those AZ and TX legislators obviously did.

In other unrelated news, my ex-girlfriend from Tucson is now an assistant attorney general in Arizona and was one of the main authors of AZ’s now overturned anti-gay marriage legislation…

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:59:25am

Has Trump taken out Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik’s families yet? ////

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:59:28am

re: #578 The Vicious Babushka

Is it San Bernadino or San Bernardino? I’m seeing both spellings.

San Ber’dino

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 5:59:33am

re: #584 lawhawk

Here’s a shocker:

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My surprised face. Let me show you.

The GOP doesn’t want people studying or doing statistical analysis of firearms injuries/fatalities, and seeks to limit the collection of data that would be useful. That includes data that might show excessive force incidents by police forces nationally.

The GOP offers up only prayers, and mealy mouthed claims that they’ll support increased mental health services, but when push comes to shove - they cut health care services further.

Democrats have to do more, but when they’re the minority party in Congress, it’s hard to move forward. Then again, they didn’t exactly act on firearms when they were in the majority either.

Those numbers are so low (car-dealer donations) that they must be a direct campaign donation. The real flow is to the PACs.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:00:17am

re: #585 darthstar

Saint Bernard - San Bernardino.

Saint Bernardino, I’m sorry. 15th century Catholic evangelist.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:00:19am

Q&A about the suspects in deadly California shooting

WHO ARE THE SUSPECTS AND HOW DID THEY MEET?

Farook was born in Illinois and raised in Southern California, said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. His family is originally from Pakistan, Ayloush said. Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia earlier this year and returned with a wife, said co-worker Patrick Baccari, who attended the holiday party Wednesday but was in the bathroom when the shooting started. Baccari says Farook was gone for about a month in the spring, and when he returned word got around Farook had been married. The woman he described as a pharmacist joined him in the U.S. shortly afterward, and they soon had a baby. Police described Malik as Farook’s wife or fiancee.

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sagehen  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:01:28am

re: #568 Nyet

So what law would have prevented it? Save for a universal gun ban. Which is as realistic as a unicorn…

There’s no one law that prevents people dying in car accidents. But in the last 50 years we’ve gotten seat belt laws, airbags, stricter drunk driving limits, put speed bumps and red lights and guardrails in places they didn’t used to be, changed what kind of glass can be used for windshields, put better shielding around gas tanks… the rate of car accident deaths is half what it used to be.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:01:49am

Ben Shapiro is still tweeting shit about “leftists” of his imagination, how they all think alike the exact same thoughts, you know, in one homogeneous mass.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:01:55am

re: #585 darthstar

Saint Bernard - San Bernardino.

Like in the song, Route 66.

Image: Rt_66_lyrics.jpg

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:02:01am

re: #560 Decatur Deb

Optimist. The near-martyrdom of St. Ronnie barely moved the needle.

In large part because Ronald Reagan did not want that needle to move. he didn’t react to being shot with a revolver by trying to ban revolvers, he reacted by carrying a revolver himself.

note: In a nice irony, I had to link to a New York Daily News article despite my anger at that newspaper. Most of the links for the story of Reagan’s concealed .38 Special lead to gun sites or to right-of-center sites that have credibility or asshole problems worse than the NYDN. So I linked to the Daily News because I would never link to breitbart.com.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:02:38am

Wha?

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sagehen  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:02:45am

re: #578 The Vicious Babushka

Is it San Bernadino or San Bernardino? I’m seeing both spellings.

The second spelling is right, but it’s pronounced Saberdoo.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:03:25am

re: #596 darthstar

Wha?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:03:30am

re: #591 Dr. Matt

The woman he described as a pharmacist

CCJ’s HAW is also a pharmacist. Is there some Pharma Professionals Matchmaking site out there?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:04:29am

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

In large part because Ronald Reagan did not want that needle to move. he didn’t react to being shot with a revolver by trying to ban revolvers, he reacted by carrying a revolver himself.

If a person regularly receives threats of assassination, as RWR or MLK did, they have every reason to arm themselves.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:04:56am

re: #597 sagehen

The second spelling is right, but it’s pronounced Saberdoo.

Like that city in Canada I frequently visit, called Tranna by those who live there.

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Kryptik  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:05:04am

re: #596 darthstar

Wha?

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Jesus fuck, someone suggested that would be one of the responses yesterday, facetiously. These assholes are shameless and impossible to parody.

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:05:09am

re: #572 Dark_Falcon

Best I could do at the time. It turns out they were married, but I didn’t know that at the time of the edit. And until I knew, either ‘wife’ or ‘girlfriend’ might have been incorrect.

I’ll also say that if this dirtbag was a Wahabbi/Salafist, which seems likely at this point, then it is highly probable he did see himself as owning his wife.

Your clarifications are only digging you into a deeper hole. My suggestion is to stop.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:05:52am

re: #580 darthstar

I refer you to Dr. Matt’s post, DS. We cannot yet say for certain that this was a terrorist act, but it is confirmed that the killers were Muslim:

re: #591 Dr. Matt

Q&A about the suspects in deadly California shooting

WHO ARE THE SUSPECTS AND HOW DID THEY MEET?

Farook was born in Illinois and raised in Southern California, said Hussam Ayloush, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations. His family is originally from Pakistan, Ayloush said. Farook traveled to Saudi Arabia earlier this year and returned with a wife, said co-worker Patrick Baccari, who attended the holiday party Wednesday but was in the bathroom when the shooting started. Baccari says Farook was gone for about a month in the spring, and when he returned word got around Farook had been married. The woman he described as a pharmacist joined him in the U.S. shortly afterward, and they soon had a baby. Police described Malik as Farook’s wife or fiancee.

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Dr. Matt  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:06:11am

re: #596 darthstar

Wha?

Michael Werner fox news expert: “well, when one of the shooters is a woman, you really have to look at feminism in this country”
7:51 AM - 3 Dec 2015

Well, when both shooters have a baby, you really have to look at parents in this country.

Well, when both shooters are married to each other, you really have to look at marriage in this country.

Well, when one of shooters is a public health official, you really have to look at public health officials in this country.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:07:46am

re: #578 The Vicious Babushka

Is it San Bernadino or San Bernardino? I’m seeing both spellings.

According to Frank Zappa, it’s San Ber’dino.

Edit: tip o’ the hat to Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) for beating me to it

Frank Zappa, San Bernadino.

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Franklin  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:08:00am

re: #605 Dr. Matt

Well, when both shooters have a baby, you really have to look at parents in this country.

Well, when both shooters are married to each other, you really have to look at marriage in this country.

Well, when one of shooters is a public health official, you really have to look at public health officials in this country.

a riff on your #2:

When the married couple were male and female, you really have to look at hetero marriage in this country.

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Dark_Falcon  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:08:22am

re: #603 Sionainn

Your clarifications are only digging you into a deeper hole. My suggestion is to stop.

I’m 6’4”, so I need to dig at least 5’6” to have a proper foxhole. :D

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Franklin  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:08:23am

re: #607 Franklin

Well, when both shooters have a baby, you really have to look at parents in this country.

Well, when both shooters are married to each other, you really have to look at marriage in this country.

Well, when one of shooters is a public health official, you really have to look at public health officials in this country.

a riff on your #2:

When the married couple were male and female, you really have to look at hetero marriage in this country.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:11:29am

re: #604 Dark_Falcon

I’m willing to posit, with the minimal amount of evidence I have from reading online, that it wasn’t exactly an act of kindness.

In fact, I thought it was terrorism when I thought the shooters were white Christians. It’s no less terrorism now…but the phrase you want to use, or should, is ‘domestic terrorism’…this is home grown shit. Not Wasabi goo-goo foreign sounding nothing to do with America that we should concern ourselves with crap.

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sagehen  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:12:35am

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

In large part because Ronald Reagan did not want that needle to move. he didn’t react to being shot with a revolver by trying to ban revolvers, he reacted by carrying a revolver himself.

Actually, Reagan was already carrying a revolver before he was shot. And he was surrounded by well-trained people also carrying weapons. GGWAG has limited value.

He reacted by supporting the Brady Bill; waiting periods, some limits on who can buy, etc.

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darthstar  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:14:29am

re: #611 sagehen

Actually, Reagan was already carrying a revolver before he was shot. And he was surrounded by well-trained people also carrying weapons. GGWAG has limited value.

He reacted by supporting the Brady Bill; waiting periods, some limits on who can buy, etc.

Except that wasn’t signed until Clinton so it doesn’t count. Myth Reagan was a man’s man.

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Jay C  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:19:33am

re: #583 The Vicious Babushka

San BernaRdino. OK.

Now I’m reading the suspects had a 6-month-old infant they left with a babysitter while they did their mass murder.

I just can’t even.

According to most accounts I’ve read, it wasn’t a “babysitter” they left their daughter with, but the child’s grandmother (Farook’s mother). I think, though, that she may still have been “at home”, as I read that Farook and his wife “lived with his mother” in the Redlands townhouse: the one that got torn apart looking for explosives.
No reports as to where they are now.

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Sionainn  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:25:36am

re: #605 Dr. Matt

Well, when both shooters have a baby, you really have to look at parents in this country.

Well, when both shooters are married to each other, you really have to look at marriage in this country.

Well, when one of shooters is a public health official, you really have to look at public health officials in this country.

Impeccable logic.

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Franklin  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:31:24am

re: #614 Sionainn

Something wrong with the quote machine? I had the same issue quoting that same post. Had to edit to move the end quote tag.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:48:20am

re: #594 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Like in the song, Route 66.

Image: Rt_66_lyrics.jpg

Zappa contracted it.

Frank Zappa - San Ber’dino (Remaster 2012)

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2015 • 6:49:15am

re: #606 De Kolta Chair

According to Frank Zappa, it’s San Ber’dino.

Edit: tip o’ the hat to Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) for beating me to it

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Seems like a lot of us had the same idea here….

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:03:01am

re: #611 sagehen

Actually, Reagan was already carrying a revolver before he was shot. And he was surrounded by well-trained people also carrying weapons. GGWAG has limited value.

He reacted by supporting the Brady Bill; waiting periods, some limits on who can buy, etc.

Which has been eroded since.

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EmmaAnne  Dec 3, 2015 • 7:47:23am

re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg

I do quite a bit of beta reading, and would be happy to look it over.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Dec 3, 2015 • 3:27:15pm

re: #481 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Yellow Springs?

ooo… Liberal hot bed!


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