Did Infamous Troll Chuck C. Johnson Really “Beat Planned Parenthood?” (Nope.)

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Infamous troll Chuck C. Johnson poses with indicted Center for Medical Progress head David Daleiden, 10-25-2015

On his Facebook page yesterday, real life stalker Chuck C. Johnson posted a gloating comment that he had “won!” He “beat Planned Parenthood!”

The first thing we should point out as we take apart Johnson’s boasting claims of victory: he didn’t “beat Planned Parenthood” at all. Planned Parenthood is not part of the lawsuit against the Center for Medical Progress in which Chuck was subpoenaed to give a deposition. The suit was brought by the National Abortion Federation.

But of course, it helps Johnson’s fund-raising for him to lie about this and say he “beat Planned Parenthood,” and he’s hoping right wingers won’t notice he isn’t telling the truth.

Second, is it even true that he “beat” the NAF?

A report at Courthouse News Service shows what a hollow victory this really is for Chuck Johnson; as a matter of fact, it may not even be over yet.

Johnson and his lawyer were asking the court to grant him protection from being deposed, under California’s journalist “shield law,” but that’s not what happened; Chuck doesn’t get to claim he was ruled a “journalist.” Here are the details:

The federation’s lawyers questioned Johnson about the source of the leaked videos in November 2015 after Orrick denied Johnson’s motion to quash a deposition subpoena.

After the deposition, the federation asked the judge to order Johnson to turn over emails that would reveal the source of the leak. Johnson answered with a new motion to quash the subpoena.

The judge then asked the center’s members and founder David Daleiden to respond under penalty of perjury whether they had any knowledge of the person who leaked those videos to Johnson.

Daleiden and his associates submitted their responses in four court-sealed declarations last month.

“Everyone has denied knowledge of the leak, under pain of penalty of perjury,” Orrick said in his Feb. 16 ruling. “Absent further evidence that the leak of the federation materials came from a party or counsel before me, at this time I will take no further action.”

Orrick granted Johnson’s motion to quash the subpoena without prejudice, adding he reserves the right to revisit the issue if new evidence comes to light on the source of the leak.

So the motion to quash was granted only because Daleiden and his accomplices signed sworn statements saying they had no knowledge of who leaked the videos to Johnson. Not only that, the judge also reserved the right to bring Johnson back for another deposition if new evidence comes to light. So our boy Chuck is not really out of the woods yet, despite all his gloating.

But he’s all pumped up, and now he’s ranting about taking Twitter to court.

I’d actually love to see him try to sue Twitter for suspending his account; it would give me hilarious material for months, and he’d end up getting anti-SLAPPed into next year.

But notice who’s responding to Chuck in that comment thread: his neo-Nazi pal Andrew Auernheimer, whining because Twitter banned him from buying advertisements after he purchased ads containing white supremacist slogans.

I think he should try to take that one to court too. That would be an excellent idea.

UPDATE at 2/18/16 11:50:11 am by Charles Johnson

And a note about Chuck’s fund-raising falsely using Planned Parenthood’s name: he raised over $4000 for his “legal defense fund” with this scam — then promptly took a vacation in Australia and New Zealand.

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279 comments

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b_sharp  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:34:36am

Can we please bury Chuckie?

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:35:31am

I was kind of hoping you’d put up a page about Falwell’s statement. There’s all sorts of fail in it, whether or not you believe in god.

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KGxvi  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:39:01am

The Court saying “we don’t have enough evidence to do anymore right now” is not the same as beating the other side. If the CMP folks let slip in later discovery that they know something, the judge is going to come down on them hard. Again, the first rule of litigation in federal court is: don’t piss off a judge with a lifetime appointment.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:39:05am

I wonder how all the rubes who contributed to his GoFundMe defense fund feel about him blowing the money on a vacation Down Under.

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KGxvi  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:40:34am

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder how all the rubes who contributed to his GoFundMe defense fund feel about him blowing the money on a vacation Down Under.

They’re too busy being pissed off about something else to notice they’ve been scammed.

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eljame  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:42:24am

In that pic It looks like CCJ is posing with a cardboard cutout.

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Bubblehead II  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:43:10am

re: #1 b_sharp

Can we please bury Chuckie?

He is so vile that the earth would just spit him back out.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:45:14am

re: #6 eljame

In that pic It looks like CCJ is posing with a cardboard cutout.

Heh I was thinking sort of the same. Welcome.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:45:15am

The truth of his claim is entirely besides the point, as it is for all rightwing grifters. The only question is whether it will help him with his fundraising.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:47:49am

re: #6 eljame

In that pic It looks like CCJ is posing with a cardboard cutout.

Considering Rage Furby is so publically “homophobic”, Dr. Freud would have a field day with the body language in that pic.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:50:35am

Operation Chaos part deux?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:54:23am

Rage Furby, keepin’ it classy.

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Jenner7  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:55:53am

Facebook Post

The owner’s excuse was pathetic and not believable.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:55:59am
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Belafon  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:56:21am

re: #11 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Operation Chaos part deux?

It’s been tried before, and has no real effect from what I remember.

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Lidane  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:57:13am

Sorry for the early OT but I am ridiculously excited by this:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 11:57:19am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Rage Furby, keepin’ it classy.

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He really needs to something about his obsession about other people’s sexual lives. Must come form being a pathetic asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:00:47pm

re: #13 Jenner7

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The owner’s excuse was pathetic and not believable.

Modern day Jim Crow from the people who brought you my religion allows me to discriminate against whoever I want to. Good for the patrons that walked out with them. It’s beyond shameful that this shit still happens.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:02:58pm

re: #10 Dr. Matt

Considering Rage Furby is so publically “homophobic”, Dr. Freud would have a field day with the body language in that pic.

Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole!

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:03:19pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:03:43pm

I just remembered that Trump questioned Cruz’s faith when he said that not many evangelicals come from Cuba. Not that Trump’s inconsistencies matter to his supporters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:04:09pm

re: #20 ausador

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why would all the heat seem to be concentrating at the north pole?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:05:27pm

re: #21 Big Beautiful Door

I just remembered that Trump questioned Cruz’s faith when he said that not many evangelicals come from Cuba. Not that Trump’s inconsistencies matter to his supporters.

It’s okay if Donald does it. Just as it’s okay for Donald to belittle McCain’s POW experience.

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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:05:35pm

re: #20 ausador

An Arctic Ocean that doesn’t freeze over in winter is a significant ingredient of the more spectacular climate change scenarios.

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KingKenrod  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:05:41pm

Chuck claims a “congressional staffer” leaked the videos. NAF have asked Congress to investigate; I’m not holding my breath, but if Rep. Cummings wanted to make an issue out of it, he could, and Johnson could find himself being forced to give up his source after all. Chuck better hope the GOP keeps the House.

Letter to Rep. Chaffetz.

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nines09  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:05:49pm

re: #20 ausador

Science. What’s that? It’s all fake. GOP says so.

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:05:51pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:06:22pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

An Arctic Ocean that doesn’t freeze over in winter is a significant ingredient of the more spectacular climate change scenarios.

or a north pole where it is warm enough to snow. sounds paradoxical, but it is too cold and dry for snow, all that white up there is frost.

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MsJ  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:06:30pm

re: #19 ObserverArt

Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole!

And every day ending in day, Chuck is an asshole.

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:08:44pm
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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:09:51pm

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

why would all the heat seem to be concentrating at the north pole?

The pole has a magnification effect that is understood, article briefly discusses it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:10:44pm

Nobody in the American media has the nerve to call trump out for being an insufferable asshole, I guess it takes the Pope.

This will strengthen his standing with his most devoted followers and totally wreck his chances of winning any sort of general election. He forgets that a lot of people, even non-Catholics, respect the Pope and his office.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:11:42pm

The Vatican is 109 acres. That’s 7 times smaller than the GM tech center, and last time I checked GM doesn’t grant citizenship either.

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:12:00pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

An Arctic Ocean that doesn’t freeze over in winter is a significant ingredient of the more spectacular climate change scenarios.

Currently about 400,000 SQUARE MILES less ice than historical norm for this time of year.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:13:11pm

FFS Baby Whiplash

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:15:25pm

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

why would all the heat seem to be concentrating at the north pole?

There are multiple reasons why the antarctic warming is not as much as the arctic warming, but both poles are warming (antarctica warming mainly in west antarctica),

en.wikipedia.org

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Lidane  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:16:11pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

I keep seeing that stupidity all over the place.

ZOMG TEH VATICAN HAZ WALLS! TEH POPE MUST TEAR THEM DOWN! is not an argument. These people are certifiable.

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:17:34pm
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lawhawk  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:18:00pm

The Vatican has walls. I did not know this.

The Pope doesn’t speak for Catholics. He should mind his own business when it comes to religious affairs and caring for fellow human beings. This too is new to me.

It’s amazing what you can learn on Twitter/Internet.

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Tigger2  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:18:00pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:18:11pm

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

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Twitter sure has added to the fabric of this great country!

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:18:38pm

#tcot is full of HURR HURR VATICAN HAZ TEH WALLS!!!11!!!

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:18:44pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:19:03pm

Afternoon Lizardim.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:19:08pm

re: #35 The Vicious Babushka

FFS Baby Whiplash

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Yeah the Vatican and East Berlin are totally similar. Really dude get the fuck over yourself already.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:21:00pm

re: #40 Tigger2

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I’d like to hear more about how Bernie’s been on the wrong side of the immigration debate. I’ve heard a little but would like to know more.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:22:16pm

The Vatican has walls for the same reason those old medieval castles you see in Europe still have walls honestly.I really doubt they’re worried about the Ottomans invading the Vatican anymore.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:22:22pm

#tcot has lost their shit. But they’ll find it and lose it all over again and again because it’s a day ending in y

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:22:59pm

re: #21 Big Beautiful Door

I just remembered that Trump questioned Cruz’s faith when he said that not many evangelicals come from Cuba. Not that Trump’s inconsistencies matter to his supporters.

Only Great People that have built billion dollar businesses and hosted one of NBC’s top rated shows can question other’s faith. This I can tell you.

What has the Pope built? What shows has the Pope had? Nothing. He is not a great Pope.

Now, I Trump, could be a great Pope, but it’s not for me, I am going to be the Greatest President and I will rebuild America into a great country again. This I can tell you.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:23:46pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

#tcot has lost their shit. But they’ll find it and lose it all over again and again because it’s a day ending in y

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Obama has never ever said no guns. He’s said no guns without background checks and hey the Secret Service goes through rigorous background checks. God conservatives are some stupid people. I guess that’s the byproduct of listening to imbeciles like Rush, Sean, Glenn, and the other idiots that spoonful these morons misinformation.

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gwangung  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:26:28pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Maybe here: univision.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:29:22pm

re: #51 gwangung

Maybe here: univision.com

Gracias.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:29:45pm

re: #44 thedopefishlives

Afternoon Lizardim.

Just in time for some crazy religious politickin!

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Tigger2  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:30:16pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

I’d like to hear more about how Bernie’s been on the wrong side of the immigration debate. I’ve heard a little but would like to know more.

On the bottom of that they say they are going to discuss that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:32:06pm

re: #54 Tigger2

On the bottom of that they say they are going to discuss that.

Yeah I know. I’m just impatient. Gwang’s article from Univision by Rep. Guitteriez answered some of my questions including even a quote by Steve King (yuck!) praising Bernie’s record on immigration.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:33:16pm

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Obama has never ever said no guns. He’s said no guns without background checks and hey the Secret Service goes through rigorous background checks. God conservatives are some stupid people. I guess that’s the byproduct of listening to imbeciles like Rush, Sean, Glenn, and the other idiots that spoonful these morons misinformation.

You say ‘tomato’ and I say ‘confiscation of all privately owned firearms by UN Troops’

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Tigger2  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:34:01pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Yeah I know. I’m just impatient. Gwang’s article from Univision by Rep. Guitteriez answered some of my questions including even a quote by Steve King (yuck!) praising Bernie’s record on immigration.

If King said Sanders record was good then it must be really bad.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:35:40pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

And like many of these squillionaires don’t have a phalanx of fences/walls/armed guards/bulletproof limos, either.

Fucking hypocrites.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:36:00pm

re: #57 Tigger2

If Kink said Sanders record was good then it must be really bad.

Even Representative Steve King, one of the most staunchly anti-immigrant members of Congress, stated, “I admire Bernie’s passion and I notice that his immigration position is closer to mine than it is [to] some of the presidential candidates on the Republican side.”
Talks about position but given Bernie’s long record in Congress, one could easily assume he’s including record here too. That really really bothers me.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:36:57pm

re: #57 Tigger2

If King said Sanders record was good then it must be really bad.

He being King of the Cantaloupes and all.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:37:29pm

re: #53 ObserverArt

Just in time for some crazy religious politickin!

Oh, good. Because I am in a really goddamn good mood, and I am going to enjoy beating the living hell out of some “Christians”.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:38:44pm

re: #60 ObserverArt

He being King of the Cantaloupes and all.

Gets worse, I’m afraid.
The opponents of legal immigration - the most extreme wing of the anti-immigrant movement, took notice. NumbersUSA, the far-right group that wants fewer immigrants in the US, praised Sanders for opposing visas that would allow people to work legally in seasonable jobs at resorts and hotels.
This is a good article. I recommend everyone read it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:40:04pm

So yeah it appears it’s not just guns but also immigration that someone’s not always progressive in. And the immigration one bothers me a lot more since he can’t make any excuses about his constituency here.

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Botsplainer  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:40:38pm

re: #56 Blind Frog Belly White

You say ‘tomato’ and I say ‘confiscation of all privately owned firearms by UN Troops’

Not UN troops. Black beret clad black panthers, with a combo rainbow bedecked smelter and wood chipper trailer for every block - that way, when they confiscate the little rifle that your beloved and wise white grandfather took you out plinking with when you were 7 years old, they can destroy it right in front of you while laughing at your sad tears.

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unproven innocence  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:44:15pm

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

why would all the heat seem to be concentrating at the north pole?

If I were a geologist, I’d be tempted to establish whether recent earthquake activity is generally symetrical with respect to latitude, or occurring significantly more in northern latitudes than in southern. The slow upward magma flow(s) that transfer heat from earth’s interior must of course be matched by downward flow(s) elsewhere.

These flows should be expected to be large, to change slowly (over decades) and to be chaotic in the long term (centuries?). IF significant upward flow(s) are currently much closer to the north pole than the south pole, that *may* explain the temperature (warming) differentials for arctic circle vs antarctic. This theory might be testable by carefully (re)checking recent continental drift data.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:46:28pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Gets worse, I’m afraid.
The opponents of legal immigration - the most extreme wing of the anti-immigrant movement, took notice. NumbersUSA, the far-right group that wants fewer immigrants in the US, praised Sanders for opposing visas that would allow people to work legally in seasonable jobs at resorts and hotels.
This is a good article. I recommend everyone read it.

There’s an economic centered argument for this: Why allow cheaper immigrants in? Pay Americans to do those jobs at American wages.

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Franklin  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:48:08pm

re: #48 The Vicious Babushka

#tcot has lost their shit. But they’ll find it and lose it all over again and again because it’s a day ending in y

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And you sir or madame, are considered a sentient being but have no sentience.

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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:48:17pm

Bunch of Trump supporters on CNN saying keep government & religion separate.

Have they always thought this or are they just day by day issue voters?

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Tigger2  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:48:28pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:49:34pm

re: #69 Tigger2

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Looks like malpractice to me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:49:43pm

re: #66 Belafon

There’s an economic centered argument for this: Why allow cheaper immigrants in? Pay Americans to do those jobs at American wages.

Fair point I guess but I think they would be subject to the same wage laws as American workers would be since they’d be working in America for American companies.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:49:57pm

re: #69 Tigger2

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Who would have guessed?

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:50:11pm

re: #68 Stanley Sea

Bunch of Trump supporters on CNN saying keep government & religion separate.

Have they always thought this or are they just day by day issue voters?

They are day by day ornery bigots, ready to lash out at whatever they are outraged against. Today it is Pope’s disparaging statements against their favorite presidential candidate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:50:43pm

re: #68 Stanley Sea

Bunch of Trump supporters on CNN saying keep government & religion separate.

Have they always thought this or are they just day by day issue voters?

I very much doubt it though Trump’s support isn’t as religious based as Cruz’s is.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:50:49pm

Ok, I just caught up and have something really important to add:

The loudest band I have seen by far was the Ramones at University of Illinois auditorium in, I think, 1981. it was f’cking crazy. My ears were ringing for a week.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:51:40pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Fair point I guess but I think they would be subject to the same wage laws as American workers would be since they’d be working in America for American companies.

You are correct, but that point probably didn’t cross a lot of people’s minds. If they have to have visas, then they can be tracked, and the companies they are working for can be forced to pay them properly. A populist argument only sees “there are people taking American jobs.”

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Tigger2  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:52:51pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Who would have guessed?

I really don’t know what I would do if something like that happened to my Daughter and she wouldn’t have made it through that.

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lawhawk  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:52:52pm

*spittake*

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:52:55pm

Also raided an accounting firm and a private residence. IRS and the inspector general of the Dept. of Interior are with FBI. No details on what they’re looking for yet.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:54:06pm

re: #76 Belafon

You are correct, but that point probably didn’t cross a lot of people’s minds. If they have to have visas, then they can be tracked, and the companies they are working for can be forced to pay them properly. A populist argument only sees “there are people taking American jobs.”

Right and according to this, Senator Sanders is opposed to these visas which could lead to more exploitation. I’ve actually met quite a few of these seasonal workers over the years. Where I go to the beach has a lot of them. When I was a kid, they were mostly Irish college kids and now it’s mostly Eastern Europeans. I think another thing is a lot of these seasonal workers are probably also attending universities at the same time too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:54:22pm

re: #77 Tigger2

I really don’t know what I would do if something like that happened to my Daughter and she wouldn’t have made it through that.

If I were a parent, I’d be furious.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:54:43pm

re: #78 lawhawk

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*spittake*

Yuck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:54:51pm

re: #76 Belafon

You are correct, but that point probably didn’t cross a lot of people’s minds. If they have to have visas, then they can be tracked, and the companies they are working for can be forced to pay them properly. A populist argument only sees “there are people taking American jobs.”

Again, if we introduced a mandatory national ID for all citizens and legal resident aliens, then that would end all issues regarding employment, school enrollment and public benefits. And it would make it possible to check legal employment status at a glance.

And totally end the voter ID issue.

But it has no chance of being enacted due to ideological hurdles, both right and left.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:55:23pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

If I were a parent, I’d be furious.

As a woman, I am furious.

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Tigger2  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:55:44pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

If I were a parent, I’d be furious.

I would be beyond that. I when after a teacher where she went to school for cussing at her. Well it really wasn’t a teacher it was a male swimming coach.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:57:38pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

As a woman, I am furious.

It is just so wrong. Sick that this still continues to happens. That’s what happens when so called religious liberty is given more preference than individual liberty.

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calochortus  Feb 18, 2016 • 12:59:31pm

And the best part is that the judge in Michigan threw out the case without hearing it because “religion” and “based in D.C. not Michigan” or something.

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Lidane  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:01:01pm

Herpty derp:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:02:09pm

re: #88 Lidane

Herpty derp:

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That’s because Scarborough’s lips are tightly glued to Trump’s ass.

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calochortus  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:02:12pm

I think I’ll go for a walk instead of throwing my computer across the room.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:02:13pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Bubblehead II  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:03:00pm

re: #66 Belafon

There’s an economic centered argument for this: Why allow cheaper immigrants in? Pay Americans to do those jobs at American wages.

Ask the Georgia farming community how well that worked for them.

The take away here is that there a some jobs Americans just wont do anymore.

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KGxvi  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:03:04pm

Apparently the wall that the conservatives reacationary assholes are citing to is actually the wall of the Vatican Museum and not a wall around Vatican City.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:03:21pm

They love Reagan for Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall and now it’s Mr. Trump, build up this wall. These people embarrass me. We’re supposed to be a country that welcomes .Fuck Trump and his stupid wall.

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TedStriker  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:03:30pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

That’s because Scarborough’s lips are tightly glued to Trump’s ass.

Human centipede, “conservative”-style?

///

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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:03:32pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

It is just so wrong. Sick that this still continues to happens. That’s what happens when so called religious liberty is given more preference than individual liberty.

This is also what happens when you have an abortion ban with life or health of the mother exceptions. Since the default is a ban, sick people end up having to prove to someone’s satisfaction that there really is legitimate life/health issue.

It is disgusting, like all other aspects of this anti-choice crap.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:04:02pm

re: #92 Bubblehead II

Ask the Georgia farming community how well that worked for them.

The take away here is that there a some jobs Americans just wont do anymore.

Yep, the economic argument doesn’t really square with reality. Not the first time.

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blueraven  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:04:19pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

As a woman, I am furious.

Everyone should be furious. This is somebody’s wife, daughter, maybe somebody’s mother, sister…Totally unacceptable and absolutely irresponsible. Also, reprehensible.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:04:21pm

re: #93 KGxvi

Apparently the wall that the conservatives reacationary assholes are citing to is actually the wall of the Vatican Museum and not a wall around Vatican City.

I figured it had some historical and tourism importance. As I said, I doubt they’re worried about hte Ottoman’s invading or the Byzantines. Just stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:05:38pm

re: #96 EPR-radar

This is also what happens when you have an abortion ban with life or health of the mother exceptions. Since the default is a ban, sick people end up having to prove to someone’s satisfaction that there really is legitimate life/health issue.

It is disgusting, like all other aspects of this anti-choice crap.

A great point. Let’s just make it as safe and legal as possible. Let’s not use be shaming women for choosing to do what they want to do with their own bodies. It’s so fucking lame and telling that an ideology that insists they’re about individual rights and liberty is about anything but this when it comes to women choosing what they want to do with theirs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:06:05pm

re: #98 blueraven

Everyone should be furious. This is somebody’s wife, daughter, maybe somebody’s mother, sister…Totally unacceptable and absolutely irresponsible. Also, reprehensible.

Yep. Good points.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:07:13pm

re: #20 ausador

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Northwest Passage is gonna be the superhighway of the 21st Century…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:07:22pm

re: #91 thedopefishlives

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Lidane  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:07:48pm

Historically illiterate felon says what?

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:09:33pm

re: #104 Lidane

Historically illiterate felon says what?

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Of course he doesn’t know the history of the Crusades.
Of course.

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Jenner7  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:09:43pm

Hahahaha.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:10:24pm

re: #104 Lidane

Historically illiterate felon says what?

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Yawn. Roll again Dinesh the Douche. Oh and the people in Mexico are Christians mostly too you hateful self loathing asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:11:26pm

re: #105 Not a Sparkly Vampire

Of course he doesn’t know the history of the Crusades.
Of course.

or aware of how Dark Ages Europe was impoverished compared to the ME of that time and thus not as military strong.

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Lidane  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:12:04pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:12:13pm

Oh hai Rage Furby! Hit a nerve, did I?

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Franklin  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:13:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:13:32pm

re: #109 Lidane

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I thought they had a problem with attacking other people’s religion. Let’s talk about your faith Ted. Your father is a religious bigot who thinks you, his son are divinely chosen to “save” our country. Your faith has you attacking women who choose to do what they want to do with their bodies and gay people for loving who they love. I’d rather have no God at all than have your God anywhere near my life.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:14:34pm

Of course, Chuck has no idea how much money I have or don’t have.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:15:31pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:15:45pm

I hope he stays in Australia forever. No offense Aussies but you can keep him. You gave us RUpert Murdoch, it’s pay back time.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:17:10pm

D’nesh D’souza’s D’timeline is basically a collection of “stupid memes of the day.”

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makeitstop  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:17:55pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I hope he stays in Australia forever. No offense Aussies but you can keep him. You gave us RUpert Murdoch, it’s pay back time.

Maybe one of the local creatures will take a liking to him and give him a playful, friendly little bite.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:18:04pm

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

D’nesh D’souza’s D’timeline is basically a collection of “stupid memes of the day.”

To think he used to be an university president. Granted I have no idea how well respected that instution is but for someone who is apparently well learned, he acts like a moron. Seems to be a trend.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:18:16pm

re: #103 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:18:23pm

re: #117 makeitstop

Maybe one of the local creatures will take a liking to him and give him a playful, friendly little bite.

Ha.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:19:05pm

re: #116 Barefoot Grin

D’nesh D’souza’s D’timeline is basically a collection of “stupid memes of the day.”

It’s D’nesh! It’s D’Souza! It’s D’plorable! It’s D’spicable! It’s D’sgusting!

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:19:18pm

Such a pompous ass…

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TedStriker  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:19:33pm

re: #119 thedopefishlives

Ummm…

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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:19:41pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Of course, Chuck has no idea how much money I have or don’t have.

“Too broke to sue” = he’s sick and tired of getting his ass kicked in court and needs some time to sit and lick his wounds.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:19:42pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

To think he used to be an university president. Granted I have no idea how well respected that instution is but for someone who is apparently well learned, he acts like a moron. Seems to be a trend.

Yep, that’s what I was thinking. Blistering intellect right there.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:20:04pm

re: #123 TedStriker

Fixed. Woopsy.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:20:40pm

re: #121 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s D’nesh! It’s D’Souza! It’s D’plorable! It’s D’spicable! It’s D’sgusting!

I shouldn’t have taken a drink of water when I read that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:21:51pm

re: #121 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s D’nesh! It’s D’Souza! It’s D’plorable! It’s D’spicable! It’s D’sgusting!

D’noh!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:22:04pm

re: #103 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:22:21pm

re: #125 Barefoot Grin

Yep, that’s what I was thinking. Blistering intellect right there.

Makes you wonder huh. It amuses me how he thinks he’s got any room at all to attack Clinton given his actual criminal record.

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nines09  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:23:15pm

MSNBC’s Town Hall With Donald Trump Was Disgraceful

File this under the “No Shit, Sherlock”. As is every other Trump ass kissing fest since day one.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:23:42pm

re: #122 ausador

Such a pompous ass…

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He really is a thin skinned little asshole isn’t he?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:23:55pm

re: #131 nines09

MSNBC’s Town Hall With Donald Trump Was Disgraceful

File this under the “No Shit, Sherlock”. As is every other Trump ass kissing fest since day one.

MSNBC, you built that.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:24:00pm

re: #119 thedopefishlives

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nines09  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:24:19pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

MSNBC, you built that.

Some Liberal Media, huh?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:24:22pm

re: #131 nines09

MSNBC’s Town Hall With Donald Trump Was Disgraceful

File this under the “No Shit, Sherlock”. As is every other Trump ass kissing fest since day one.

Yeah, really. I mean WTF? Did Trump let it be known that if anyone treated him like an actual candidate he’d have them rubbed out?

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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:25:11pm

re: #134 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:25:35pm

“When you think about in terms of an exceptional nation,” Carson said, “I mean, before this nation came on the scene, [for] 100 years, 500, 1,000, 5,000 years people did things the same way. You know, the farmer would chop down corn and put it on the wagon and take it into town and sell it; within 200 years of the advent of America, men were walking on the moon.”

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:25:54pm

But the Constitution says that is exactly what it is supposed to be about…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:26:22pm

re: #129 Blind Frog Belly White

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Franklin  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:26:31pm

re: #131 nines09

MSNBC’s Town Hall With Donald Trump Was Disgraceful

File this under the “No Shit, Sherlock”. As is every other Trump ass kissing fest since day one.

Christ, my irony meter needs adjusting. I was like WTF, how did I miss this!!!

After facing hostile questions from Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski Wednesday night—they comprehensively laid out his flip-flops, presented him with damning videotape, and asked him to explain the inconsistencies in detail—Trump was confronted by hostile audience members at MSNBC’s televised town-hall forum. When a Muslim questioner got up to ask why he had said such bigoted things about minorities, Trump seemed to struggle while Scarborough forced him to respond. The candidate looked uncomfortable, unhappy, and somewhat lost. It could be a turning point.

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nines09  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:26:32pm

re: #138 Kragar

You really have to wonder how much self medicating Dr. Ben has engaged in. Ben Carson is ON the moon.

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:26:55pm

re: #84 klys (maker of Silmarils)

As a woman, I am furious.

I’m composing a letter/email to Ohio Johnny Kasich and including the text of that article and the monstrous treatment of those women by supposed ‘religious’ people. I think I’ll also be firing a copy to the Dioceses of Columbus and Toledo and ask them if that is God’s work in their eyes.

I may be a non-practicing Catholic but I am going to show them why. And as for Kasich, I will ask him the same because he often times talks all holy about how he allows his God to help him with his decisions.

…steaming…

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ObserverArt  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:28:42pm

re: #88 Lidane

Herpty derp:

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Oh surprise surprise, Butt Kissing Joke Scarborough.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:29:10pm

re: #139 ausador

But the Constitution says that is exactly what it is supposed to be about…

Not in the Whites Only Constitution, where the race of the president must be taken into consideration.

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:29:13pm

re: #141 Franklin

Christ, my irony meter needs adjusting. I was like WTF, how did I miss this!!!

Too bad that was all sarcasm about what didn’t happen. :(

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:29:20pm

re: #138 Kragar

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Someone should also tell Ben that the Industrial Revolution hit the UK before it hit us too.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:31:09pm

re: #140 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:31:09pm

re: #139 ausador

But the Constitution says that is exactly what it is supposed to be about…

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The only people misleading, Pat are your party who want to prevent the President from doing his job. I giet it, you know that Scalia’s successor is going to wipe out a lot of right wing crap that your party is responsible for. Tough shit.

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:31:46pm
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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:32:55pm
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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:33:11pm

re: #137 thedopefishlives

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japa21  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:33:52pm

And with the RW’s amazing ability to take things out of context, whether if be something from the Bible, or anything said by a Democrat or something said by the Pope, the exact quote was:

“A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian,”

The real focus should be on the second part, not building bridges. Instead they focus only on the first. I believe the Vatican has both walls and bridges.

And as someone at another side said, the real fun thing about this is that the Pope really doesn’t care what Trump or any other of these weenies think about him. But apparently Trump cares what the Pope thinks to respond so childishly.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:34:14pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

I hope he stays in Australia forever. No offense Aussies but you can keep him. You gave us RUpert Murdoch, it’s pay back time.

I’m am Aussie and have been posting here politely for years.
I have brought beer and cake, I have shared pie and cleaned ashtrays.

What you ask is outrageous!

I suggest the sheep fuckers in New Zealand keep him.
Or the Maori’s could eat him.

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:34:49pm

Faker, we all know the earth is really flat!
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:35:05pm

re: #138 Kragar

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Going all Cleon Skousen, 5000 Year Leap-y on us, Ben!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:35:15pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Fair point I guess but I think they would be subject to the same wage laws as American workers would be since they’d be working in America for American companies.

No, they are not.
Not for wages or for working conditions.
These workers are recruited under false premises, with lots of false promises, and are essentially indentured servants when they arrive.

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Lidane  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:35:15pm

re: #151 Kragar

Heh.

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KGxvi  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:38:09pm

re: #138 Kragar

This sounds like someone writing an essay in college with what I consider one of the scared I-have-no-fucking-clue-what-to-say fall back tropes: When in doubt, blame the Industrial Revolution.

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blueraven  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:39:10pm

re: #131 nines09

MSNBC’s Town Hall With Donald Trump Was Disgraceful

File this under the “No Shit, Sherlock”. As is every other Trump ass kissing fest since day one.

I think they missed the main criticism of the MSNBC/Trump event, and that is that it took place at all.

Here you have two morning hosts, moderating a special prime time town hall for ONE candidate. A candidate who shows up almost every morning on their regular program and receives very favorable treatment. If they are going to do a town hall, it should be for ALL the GOP candidates. I may be ignorant of the facts but I have heard nothing about them hosting any of the other GOP candidates.

Now, tonight there will be competing town hall meetings on CNN and MSNBC, but all the Dem and GOP candidates are (or have already been) participants in these town halls.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:39:36pm
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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:40:18pm

re: #159 KGxvi

Billy Madison: Uh… Okay. The Industrial Revolution to me is just like a story I know called “The Puppy Who Lost His Way.” The world was changing, and the puppy was getting… bigger.

[Later]

Billy Madison: So, you see, the puppy was like industry. In that, they were both lost in the woods. And nobody, especially the little boy - “society” - knew where to find ‘em. Except that the puppy was a dog. But the industry, my friends, that was a revolution.

[Long pause]

Billy Madison: Knibb High football rules!

[the crowd erupts into cheers]

Principal: Mr. Madison, what you have just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Billy Madison: Okay, a simple “wrong” would’ve done just fine.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:40:51pm

re: #158 Lidane

Heh.

People who think they can take on someone who became ultra-wealthy by writing? They might as well charge a tank with a pocket knife.

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Kragar  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:41:50pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:44:51pm
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Franklin  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:46:36pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Are you and Kluwe twitter buds? Big fan of his.

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nines09  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:48:37pm

re: #160 blueraven

You wonder how they do the camera work with both faces buried in Trumps ass.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:49:01pm

Now James Taranto wants to play the dozens.

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Usually refered to as anyways  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:49:07pm

Bombing of Darwin: The story of US Kittyhawk pilots Buel and Oestreicher

While much has been written of the catastrophic attacks on Darwin by the Japanese 74 years ago, less known are the deeds of two American pilots, one of whom lies in a watery grave in the sea to the north, the other who went on to be hailed a hero, albeit disputed.

Days out from the surprise raids on Darwin of February 19, 1942, United States of America Air Force Lieutenant Robert Buel and Lieutenant Robert Oestreicher were flying their Kittyhawk fighters in the skies north of Darwin.

More here…

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gwangung  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:49:24pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Sorta figured that. Obama would certainly honor the wishes of the family and not make a big deal about it.

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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:49:47pm

re: #138 Kragar

“When you think about in terms of an exceptional nation,” Carson said, “I mean, before this nation came on the scene, [for] 100 years, 500, 1,000, 5,000 years people did things the same way. You know, the farmer would chop down corn and put it on the wagon and take it into town and sell it; within 200 years of the advent of America, men were walking on the moon.”

Here’s a wonder of the modern world: seven tons of Grade-A Brahma Bullshit in a single short paragraph.

Carson is like any other GOPer in regards to history. The history of the US is to be rewritten to suit the propaganda requirements of the day, and world history does not exist.

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Jenner7  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:52:16pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:55:10pm

re: #167 nines09

You wonder how they do the camera work with both faces buried in Trumps ass.

It’s not like these hosts do their own camera work. That frees them up for more important jobs…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:55:21pm
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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:57:56pm

The fallacy that only irresponsible people need abortions needs to be confronted more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:58:15pm

re: #138 Kragar

Ben Carson: before America “came on the scene,” people would just chop down corn, but Americans went to the moon

People chopped down corn and stored it in pyramids…

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nines09  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:58:44pm

re: #173 EPR-radar

It’s not like these hosts do their own camera work. That frees them up for more important jobs…

They never show the faces buried in Trumps ass. That takes a skilled camera crew who knows the angles.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 1:59:19pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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I wondered about that this morning, since my Facebook feed was glowing like Ted Cruz’s carpet-bombed desert sand when I got up this morning, complaining about Obama not attending the funeral and wondering if he had a tee time.

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:01:03pm

re: #131 nines09

MSNBC’s Town Hall With Donald Trump Was Disgraceful

File this under the “No Shit, Sherlock”. As is every other Trump ass kissing fest since day one.

MSNBC was competing with CNN for ratings.

But tonight CNN gets Trump.

Anderson Cooper will be no harder on him than MSNBC was, if last night’s performance by Cooper is any example.

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:01:07pm

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

People chopped down corn and stored it in pyramids…

Don’t you remember the “pyramid power” woo? Stuff stays fresher for longer when stored inside one!

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:02:25pm

re: #180 ausador

Don’t you remember the “pyramid power” woo? Stuff stays fresher for longer when stored inside one!

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I remember that. It was big in the 1970s. Woowoo like your razor would stay sharp for months on end and twaddle like that.

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nines09  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:04:27pm

re: #179 freetoken

Nope. All fluff. Soft tosses. Heaven forbid a valid question is asked. Trump might just have one of his supporters jack up someone.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:04:43pm

re: #161 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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A REAL leader would go to the funeral over the family’s objections! Then we’d give him shit for being a showboating hypocrite!

My wingnut cousin on FB called Obama ‘classless’ for not attending, but said he’d be a hypocrite if he attended. In one single comment.

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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:05:01pm

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

I remember that. It was big in the 1970s. Woowoo like your razor would stay sharp for months on end and twaddle like that.

It wouldn’t surprise me if some of those meatheads compared razor blades that were unused precisely because they were sitting inside the pyramid to used razor blades.

That seems like such a harmless bit of foolishness compared to politics these days.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:05:03pm

re: #182 nines09

Nope. All fluff. Soft tosses. Heaven forbid a valid question is asked. Trump might just have one of his supporters jack up someone.

You must be mistaken. Trump doesn’t do that. Trump would never even suggest such a thing.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:05:27pm

re: #183 Blind Frog Belly White

A REAL leader would go to the funeral over the family’s objections! Then we’d give him shit for being a showboating hypocrite!

My wingnut cousin on FB called Obama ‘classless’ for not attending, but said he’d be a hypocrite if he attended. In one single comment.

*double take*

*blank stare*

I need to lie down. My head hurts.

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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:05:42pm

re: #185 thedopefishlives

You must be mistaken. Trump doesn’t do that. Trump would never even suggest such a thing.

Trump has people for that. Hitler probably did too, at least later on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:05:57pm

re: #185 thedopefishlives

You must be mistaken. Trump doesn’t do that. Trump would never even suggest such a thing.

Trump just refuses to grant any more access and the ratings tank. That cannot be allowed to happen.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:06:20pm

re: #181 Dr Lizardo

I remember that. It was big in the 1970s. Woowoo like your razor would stay sharp for months on end and twaddle like that.

I believe this is actually, literally true, but only if it never leaves the pyramid for any reason. Like, shaving, for example.
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:07:21pm

re: #186 thedopefishlives

*double take*

*blank stare*

I need to lie down. My head hurts.

I challenged him on it, specifically calling it out. His response was basically “Yep.”

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:08:57pm
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freetoken  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:09:42pm

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

People chopped down corn and stored it in pyramids…

Ben Carson … Donald Trump… Ted Cruz - the rise of these are perfect examples of the downward spiral that some Americans are experiencing. Lost in the 21st century, the need to escape is particularly strong.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:10:27pm

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

I challenged him on it, specifically calling it out. His response was basically “Yep.”

Sums up the right wing’s attitude toward Obama, really. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:12:16pm

re: #193 thedopefishlives

Sums up the right wing’s attitude toward Obama, really. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.

Like Groucho’s song in “Horsefeathers” - Whatever it is, I’m against it!

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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:13:38pm

re: #193 thedopefishlives

Sums up the right wing’s attitude toward Obama, really. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.

This is SOP for Republicans vs. any Democrat, although GOP racism drives them to further excesses vs. Obama.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:15:50pm

re: #180 ausador

Don’t you remember the “pyramid power” woo? Stuff stays fresher for longer when stored inside one!

///

Pyramania by Alan Parsons Project
Alan Parsons Project - Pyramania

Not their best song.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:17:40pm

re: #191 ausador

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The only people who it seems are figuring on walking post-primary are the Bernie Bros. I haven’t run into many Hillary supporters who say they’ll refuse to vote for Bernie if he wins the nomination out of spite.

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:22:25pm

Good…

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:23:10pm

re: #138 Kragar

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Kind of hard to do when corn was in the new world and carts with draft animals in the old world. Keep going, brain surgeon!

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:27:02pm

538 reminds us:

The Pope Is Way More Popular Than Donald Trump

Donald Trump took a break from threatening to sue rival candidates on Thursday and appears to be trying to start a holy war with Pope Francis instead. Trump may not care about any resulting eternal judgment, but he might have reason to worry about worldly opinion: Pope Francis has a net +53 favorability rating among Americans,1 while Trump has a net -27 favorability rating.2

True, Pope Francis is somewhat less popular with Republicans than among Americans overall. But he’s still reasonably well-liked. In a CNN poll in September,3 56 percent of Republicans had a favorable view of Pope Francis as compared to 21 percent with an unfavorable one. Francis had +20 net favorability rating even among self-described tea-party supporters.

[…]

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:27:25pm

Not that it bothers Trump, I should have added.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:28:18pm

re: #201 freetoken

Not that it bothers Trump, I should have added.

“I don’t even SEE the pope in these South Carolina polls! Weak!”

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:29:05pm

I left out the best part from Silver:

Plus it’s just plain inaccurate to complain, as Trump did, that “for a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful.” For someone whose titles include Vicar of Jesus Christ and Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, questioning and clarifying other people’s faith is pretty much the job description.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:31:42pm

re: #69 Tigger2

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This is what caused Savita’s death.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:32:06pm
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Ubiq  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:33:44pm

re: #203 freetoken

Plus it’s just plain inaccurate to complain, as Trump did, that “for a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful.” For someone whose titles include Vicar of Jesus Christ and Successor of the Prince of the Apostles, questioning and clarifying other people’s faith is pretty much the job description.

Meanwhile, Ted Cruz - who is effectively running in order to establish a religious theocracy - today compared the president as ‘faithless’.

If you could light a light bulb with hypocrisy, the GOP would be a perpetual energy machine.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:36:03pm

re: #205 Charles Johnson

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Why, it’s almost like someone distorted the truth to gin up outrage.
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Romantic Heretic  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:36:57pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

or aware of how Dark Ages Europe was impoverished compared to the ME of that time and thus not as military strong.

At the time Islam was expanding one of the largest cities in Europe was Frankfurt, the heart of the Carolingian empire. Population? About 10,000 people.

In Abbasid Caliphate (I believe that was the name of the Arab Empire at that time. Correct me if I’m wrong) Baghdad had over a million. El Fustat (Cairo) about the same. Lots of other cities had the same. Reason? Sewer systems and fresh water delivery paid for with rather fair taxes (for the day).

When the Christians took Toledo the city’s main library had more books than in all of Europe, and there were over fifty other libraries in the city. Again population of about a million.

People who go on and on about ‘barbaric’ Islam forget once upon a time we were the barbarians and they were the civilized ones.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:38:17pm

re: #109 Lidane

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If by ‘faithful’ you mean ‘vicious, self righteous asshole’, Ted, you’d be right.

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withak  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:38:50pm

re: #208 Romantic Heretic

People who go on and on about ‘barbaric’ Islam forget once upon a time we were the barbarians and they were the civilized ones.

You can’t forget something you were never taught, or never bothered to learn.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:41:20pm

re: #210 withak

You can’t forget something you were never taught, or never bothered to learn.

or something your mind has been trained not to accept…

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Jenner7  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:42:02pm
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:42:32pm

re: #22 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

why would all the heat seem to be concentrating at the north pole?

Santa is really Dr. Evil.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:44:38pm

re: #212 Jenner7

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Better than cozying up to Cornel West.

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blueraven  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:45:54pm

Uh oh, indeed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:46:08pm

re: #208 Romantic Heretic

At the time Islam was expanding one of the largest cities in Europe was Frankfurt, the heart of the Carolingian empire. Population? About 10,000 people.

In Abbasid Caliphate (I believe that was the name of the Arab Empire at that time. Correct me if I’m wrong) Baghdad had over a million. El Fustat (Cairo) about the same. Lots of other cities had the same. Reason? Sewer systems and fresh water delivery paid for with rather fair taxes (for the day).

When the Christians took Toledo the city’s main library had more books than in all of Europe, and there were over fifty other libraries in the city. Again population of about a million.

People who go on and on about ‘barbaric’ Islam forget once upon a time we were the barbarians and they were the civilized ones.

Exactly.

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Jenner7  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:46:48pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

Doesn’t she disagree with the President on the TPP? So, he’s being a bit dickish about all of this.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:48:09pm

re: #169 Usually refered to as anyways

Oh yeah. The Mavis could be very tough to take down. That 20mm in the tail was deadly.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:48:30pm

re: #212 Jenner7

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She’s always had a pretty good relationship with the African-American community. Don’t know what he’s blathering about here.

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Jenner7  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:49:06pm

heh.

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blueraven  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:49:57pm

re: #215 blueraven

Uh oh, indeed.

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Nevada could stop this BS by simply stamping the voter registration card with Democrat or Republican once they caucus for any candidate. That is how we did it here in TX. We dont have party registration here.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:50:05pm

Bernie’s starting to get on my nerves a bit honestly. Never been a big Clinton fan but FFS stop acting like you’re the only one with progressive values in this race.

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gwangung  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:51:49pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

She’s always had a pretty good relationship with the African-American community. Don’t know what he’s blathering about here.

Probably counting on some folks not being familiar with her LONG history with the African American community. That’s what allows her to withstand the crime act….

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:51:55pm

re: #217 Jenner7

Doesn’t she disagree with the President on the TPP? So, he’s being a bit dickish about all of this.

What it is is Bernie trying to get people to overlook the fact that his endorsements in the black community include men who have denigrated Obama as a “house n*****” or even declared him “n*****ized” for not using the White House as a platform to pursue “racial justice.”

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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:52:08pm

re: #221 blueraven

Nevada could stop this BS by simply stamping the voter registration card with Democrat or Republican once they caucus for any candidate. That is how we did it here in TX. We dont have party registration here.

It isn’t really the state’s issue to decide. The parties get to decide how to run their primaries and caucuses, and it looks like the NV democrats may want to reconsider their policies.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:52:35pm

re: #223 gwangung

Probably counting on some folks not being familiar with her LONG history with the African American community. That’s what allows her to withstand the crime act….

Yeah true.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:52:38pm

re: #65 unproven innocence

The slow upward magma flow(s) that transfer heat from earth’s interior must of course be matched by downward flow(s) elsewhere.

These flows should be expected to be large, to change slowly (over decades)…

Decades? Dude, no. Just no.

The Hawaiian archipelago was created by an upflow hotspot over the last ~25 million years.

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ausador  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:53:43pm

Another side effect of climate change is species showing up in areas they didn’t inhabit previously. Makes good click-bait too…

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:54:05pm

I used to be very pro-life. You could say that I still am, since I have never personally chose to have an abortion and I have enough kids and grandkids to populate a sports league. However I always assumed yes, of COURSE there should be exceptions for rape, incest and the mother’s life.

But the problem with the rape exception: why put the victim through a second hell in order to “prove” how raped she was?

The problem with the incest exception: this is a child who is being molested by a family member and she is not going to come forward if she has to go through a second hell in order to “prove” that she was raped by a family member.

The problem with the life of the mother exception: Savita. SHE DID NOT HAVE TO DIE. When a pregnancy becomes life-threatening, as in sepsis, eclampsia and pre-eclampsia, the situation can deteriorate very quickly and THERE IS NO TIME to go around looking for legal justifications to proceed with the procedure they should have done right away.

The only way to resolve these issues is not to make “exceptions” for these situations but to do away with “exceptions” and perform abortion like any other medical procedure with no non-medical questions asked. Like they do in other civilized countries, like Canada, Sweden, Netherlands and Israel.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:55:41pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

I used to be very pro-life. You could say that I still am, since I have never personally chose to have an abortion and I have enough kids and grandkids to populate a sports league. However I always assumed yes, of COURSE there should be exceptions for rape, incest and the mother’s life.

But the problem with the rape exception: why put the victim through a second hell in order to “prove” how raped she was?

The problem with the incest exception: this is a child who is being molested by a family member and she is not going to come forward if she has to go through a second hell in order to “prove” that she was raped by a family member.

The problem with the life of the mother exception: Savita. SHE DID NOT HAVE TO DIE. When a pregnancy becomes life-threatening, as in sepsis, eclampsia and pre-eclampsia, the situation can deteriorate very quickly and THERE IS NO TIME to go around looking for legal justifications to proceed with the procedure they should have done right away.

The only way to resolve these issues is not to make “exceptions” for these situations but to do away with “exceptions” and perform abortion like any other medical procedure with no non-medical questions asked. Like they do in other civilized countries, like Canada, Sweden, Netherlands and Israel.

Great points all around.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 2:58:10pm

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Great points all around.

But totally invalid because the Sanctity of Life is absolute and women are merely vessels.

/

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:01:47pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

The whole “exceptions” business is a political construct meant to allow wingnut theocrats to convince the gullible masses that they don’t view women as walking incubators or that they’re cruelly indifferent to the suffer of pregnant women, they just want to limit abortion to those who “need” it. Or, at least that used to be the game plan, before some knucklehead back in 2012 had to give the whole scam away with his “genuine rape” remark.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:02:46pm
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blueraven  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:03:45pm

re: #217 Jenner7

Doesn’t she disagree with the President on the TPP? So, he’s being a bit dickish about all of this.

I think the campaign is starting to get to him. It is tough! She has been here before and contrary to all the media reports of panic!! on the Clinton team, she has a definite edge in political experience.

As for the TPP, I think she did flip on that one pretty much for political purposes…union vote. I can live with that. All candidates have at least one area that they pander to a bit. It’s a calculated risk. Her better domestic policy on the whole, and her far better grip on Foreign policy makes this an easy vote for me.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:04:47pm

I’m going to take a moment, again, and thank the Lizards for mostly leaving the Democrat primary mess alone. I’m pretty sure we all have our biases and know them, but I appreciate that even those who have gone off the deep end over one candidate or another have mostly kept it out of LGF.

Thanks guys.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:05:07pm

re: #234 blueraven

I think the campaign is starting to get to him. It is tough! She has been here before and contrary to all the media reports of panic!! on the Clinton team, she has a definite edge in political experience.

As for the TPP, I think she did flip on that one pretty much for political purposes…union vote. I can live with that. All candidates have at least one area that they pander to a bit. It’s a calculated risk. Her better domestic policy on the whole, and her far better grip on Foreign policy makes this an easy vote for me.

and overall electability

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:05:42pm

re: #233 Shiplord Kirel

NEW PAGE!

Embedded Image Lubbock police have made an arrest in the infamous Arabic banner-hanging incident!

Stopping Islamic thuggery is what America is all about.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:08:23pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

The whole “exceptions” business is a political construct meant to allow wingnut theocrats to convince the gullible masses that they don’t view women as walking incubators or that they’re cruelly indifferent to the suffer of pregnant women, they just want to limit abortion to those who “need” it. Or, at least that used to be the game plan, before some knucklehead back in 2012 had to give the whole scam away with his “genuine rape” remark.

I used to be “pro life” for a little while too but a couple things have made me strongly pro choice. The first was realizing that as a man that I have NO room at all to tell a woman what to do with her pregnancy. I still feel we should do what we can to make abortions less frequent and that’s through good sex ed programs, readily available contraception, and programs that help poor and unwed mothers instead of shaming them. The other thing was a point I saw made by Senator Kennedy that he had been pro-life but when he realized that even with criminalized abortion, the more well off women would still be getting them and the poor would not, that it needed to be legal and readily available as possible. I never have liked the political “pro life” movement. I knew some people as a kid who spent the Roe annivesrary either on the Mall or heckling people at clinics. That hsit always bothered me.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:11:56pm

re: #235 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I’m going to take a moment, again, and thank the Lizards for mostly leaving the Democrat primary mess alone. I’m pretty sure we all have our biases and know them, but I appreciate that even those who have gone off the deep end over one candidate or another have mostly kept it out of LGF.

Thanks guys.

O’Malley or GTFO!

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:12:05pm

re: #212 Jenner7

I think blacks have been pretty good at seeing through BS to tell the difference between sucking up and actually caring. She’s not cozying up to get their vote. She’s cozying up to show that she’ll continue the work he’s been doing.

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freetoken  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:12:07pm

Operation Gideon: Cruz’s South Carolina salvation

Ted Cruz’s campaign is betting that an old-time religious revival will deliver him victory in the South Carolina primary on Saturday.

When Cruz announced Thursday that 300 Christian leaders across the state had endorsed him for president, it was the culmination of what the campaign has dubbed “Operation Gideon.”

It’s an alliance among a close-knit group of prominent Christians in South Carolina who are leveraging their positions as faith leaders to influence their thousands of followers to join them in supporting Cruz for president.

[…]

Truly a religious nut.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:13:05pm

re: #239 Not a Sparkly Vampire

O’Malley or GTFO!

Webb Forever!!!

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Ubiq  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:13:05pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

I used to be very pro-life. You could say that I still am, since I have never personally chose to have an abortion and I have enough kids and grandkids to populate a sports league. However I always assumed yes, of COURSE there should be exceptions for rape, incest and the mother’s life.

But the problem with the rape exception: why put the victim through a second hell in order to “prove” how raped she was?

The problem with the incest exception: this is a child who is being molested by a family member and she is not going to come forward if she has to go through a second hell in order to “prove” that she was raped by a family member.

The problem with the life of the mother exception: Savita. SHE DID NOT HAVE TO DIE. When a pregnancy becomes life-threatening, as in sepsis, eclampsia and pre-eclampsia, the situation can deteriorate very quickly and THERE IS NO TIME to go around looking for legal justifications to proceed with the procedure they should have done right away.

The only way to resolve these issues is not to make “exceptions” for these situations but to do away with “exceptions” and perform abortion like any other medical procedure with no non-medical questions asked. Like they do in other civilized countries, like Canada, Sweden, Netherlands and Israel.

Well said.

One of the things that I thought Bill Clinton handled extremely well when he was president was abortion, when he managed to form a general consensus that abortion should be ‘safe, legal and rare’. Polling on abortion pretty much maps directly to that thinking - people think that abortion is a tragedy every time that it happens, but that it should be an option that’s available.

Ironically, we could probably cut abortion in about half tomorrow if that was really the goal of the GOP, because we know that unconditional distribution of contraception reduces abortion rates by about that much (teen pregnancy too!) But we’ll never get there because women having sex are eeeeevilllll temptresses that deserve to be punished for their transgressions.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:13:13pm

re: #239 Not a Sparkly Vampire

O’Malley or GTFO!

I’m voting Vermin Supreme and that’s it.

Where’s my pony.

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Belafon  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:13:15pm

re: #241 freetoken

Operation Gideon: Cruz’s South Carolina salvation

Gideon on Gravity Falls was lame. I wouldn’t trust him with anything.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:13:30pm

re: #239 Not a Sparkly Vampire

O’Malley or GTFO!

I’m still disappointed that he didn’t do better.

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blueraven  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:13:30pm

Oh Jeez…Fox News just announced that their new Dem National poll has Bernie ahead 47- 44

I don’t think so. Will be interested to read the questions they ask and see the cross tabs.

They are pretty good at sneaking in negative questions about Dem candidates when they want to sway one way or the other.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:13:49pm

re: #242 Targetpractice

Webb Forever!!!

All about the Chafee and that one professor guy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:13:50pm

re: #240 Belafon

I think blacks have been pretty good at seeing through BS to tell the difference between sucking up and actually caring. She’s not cozying up to get their vote. She’s cozying up to show that she’ll continue the work he’s been doing.

GOP base will remind us that most blacks only care about how much free stuff and preferential treatment they can expect from a potential candidate…

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:14:37pm

re: #247 blueraven

Oh Jeez…Fox News just announced their new Dem National poll has Bernie ahead 47- 44

I don’t think so. Will be interested to read the questions they ask and see the cross tabs.

They are pretty good at sneaking in negative questions about Dem candidates when they want to sway one way or the other.

I lost an hour to looking at crosstabs yesterday. Someone else’s turn today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:15:09pm

re: #243 Ubiq

Well said.

One of the things that I thought Bill Clinton handled extremely well when he was president was abortion, when he managed to form a general consensus that abortion should be ‘safe, legal and rare’. Polling on abortion pretty much maps directly to that thinking - people think that abortion is a tragedy every time that it happens, but that it should be an option that’s available.

Ironically, we could probably cut abortion in about half tomorrow if that was really the goal of the GOP, because we know that unconditional distribution of contraception reduces abortion rates by about that much (teen pregnancy too!) But we’ll never get there because women having sex are eeeeevilllll temptresses that deserve to be punished for their transgressions.

These people are not just against Planned Parenthood with a capital P, they are against the very concept of planning parenthood, except through abstinence before marriage and rhythm method afterwards.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:15:24pm

re: #243 Ubiq

Well said.

One of the things that I thought Bill Clinton handled extremely well when he was president was abortion, when he managed to form a general consensus that abortion should be ‘safe, legal and rare’. Polling on abortion pretty much maps directly to that thinking - people think that abortion is a tragedy every time that it happens, but that it should be an option that’s available.

Ironically, we could probably cut abortion in about half tomorrow if that was really the goal of the GOP, because we know that unconditional distribution of contraception reduces abortion rates by about that much (teen pregnancy too!) But we’ll never get there because women having sex are eeeeevilllll temptresses that deserve to be punished for their transgressions.

A train of thought that shows that theocrats, both here and the Middle East, are not as ideologically opposed as they claim.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:16:09pm

re: #240 Belafon

I think blacks have been pretty good at seeing through BS to tell the difference between sucking up and actually caring. She’s not cozying up to get their vote. She’s cozying up to show that she’ll continue the work he’s been doing.

I think she’s shown genuine leadership on the issue. He’s the one who comes off as pandering to me more. It’s funny but even though his policies are a lot more on paper radical than hers, I find hers a lot more inclusive. An acquaintance of mine who’s involved with disability issues has posted a lot on her meeting with groups on that matter. I think he really thinks he just can point ot his voting record and think that alone will get people to vote for him and it’s worked for some but not me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:17:01pm

re: #251 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

These people are not just against Planned Parenthood with a capital P, they are against the very concept of planning parenthood, except through abstinence before marriage and rhythm method afterwards.

That’s something I didn’t realize until I saw them raging against Einsenstadt(the deicision that allows all couples to buy birth control).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:18:30pm

And I guess I’m not what I once was because I really don’t feel we need a revolution but we need to work on improving what we have.

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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:19:54pm

re: #252 Targetpractice

A train of thought that shows that theocrats, both here and the Middle East, are not as ideologically opposed as they claim.

The American Taliban and their counterparts elsewhere aren’t ideological opponents at all. Instead they are competitors for the same ideological niche.

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Targetpractice  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:20:27pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

I think she’s shown genuine leadership on the issue. He’s the one who comes off as pandering to me more. It’s funny but even though his policies are a lot more on paper radical than hers, I find hers a lot more inclusive. An acquaintance of mine who’s involved with disability issues has posted a lot on her meeting with groups on that matter. I think he really thinks he just can point ot his voting record and think that alone will get people to vote for him and it’s worked for some but not me.

It’s all you get from Bernie Bots, “HE’S GOT A PROVEN TRACK RECORD!”

Yeah, as a virtually uncontested independent from Vermont who felt no real pressure to be moderate in the least. And he had the DNC watching his back, ensuring that there was no competition from their party.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:20:56pm

re: #175 ausador

I read this and honestly it is the situation that terrifies me the most.

Like I have had nightmares about being pregnant. Full blown hysterical panic attacks are no less disturbing when they happen in your dreams.

I’m on the hormonal IUD, not the copper, but after the last dream we are looking at doubling up. Because I don’t want to be in the position of having to make that choice, for me.

I have always been pro-choice, even though I don’t know how I would choose, because if this is something so personal and hard and heartbreaking for me, I don’t have any right to dictate it to another woman.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:21:36pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

It’s all you get from Bernie Bots, “HE’S GOT A PROVEN TRACK RECORD!”

Yeah, as a virtually uncontested independent from Vermont who felt no real pressure to be moderate in the least. And he had the DNC watching his back, ensuring that there was no competition from their party.

Yep.

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EPR-radar  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:21:46pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

And I guess I’m not what I once was because I really don’t feel we need a revolution but we need to work on improving what we have.

Whether or not we need a revolution is very unclear to me. What is much more clear is that a revolution at this time isn’t going to happen. We either get stasis or a bit of incremental progress here and there, or the shit hits the fan because we end up with a GOP president.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:21:54pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

I think she’s shown genuine leadership on the issue. He’s the one who comes off as pandering to me more. It’s funny but even though his policies are a lot more on paper radical than hers, I find hers a lot more inclusive. An acquaintance of mine who’s involved with disability issues has posted a lot on her meeting with groups on that matter. I think he really thinks he just can point ot his voting record and think that alone will get people to vote for him and it’s worked for some but not me.

JUST IGNORE THE GUN VOTES!
;)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:23:31pm

re: #261 Not a Sparkly Vampire

JUST IGNORE THE GUN VOTES!
;)

To be honest Varek, the immigration votes piss me off more than the gun votes. I mean i hate the excuses he makes about his state but the immigration record really bugs me for personal reasons.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:23:55pm

re: #260 EPR-radar

Whether or not we need a revolution is very unclear to me. What is much more clear is that a revolution at this time isn’t going to happen. We either get stasis or a bit of incremental progress here and there, or the shit hits the fan because we end up with a GOP president.

Right.

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Not a Sparkly Vampire  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:24:27pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

To be honest Varek, the immigration votes piss me off more than the gun votes. I mean i hate the excuses he makes about his state but the immigration record really bugs me for personal reasons.

You’re right.
I keep forgetting how Republican is response was.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:25:40pm

re: #236 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

and overall electability

I gotta say, I’m souring even more on the whole ‘anti-establishment’ idea. One problem with anti-establishment types is that often they lack the depth of knowledge and thought that you see in people who’ve been working on this shit for decades.

Consider Hillary’s detailed, well thought out, nuanced answers on a broad range of topics. Compare that with Bernie’s more ‘One Size Fits All’ responses. What Bernie says is true, but it’s not the WHOLE truth, and his answers don’t reflect decades of considering policies and effects.

On the GOP side, the depth of Trump’s ignorance of policy, disdain of nuance, and arrogance about his ability to make whatever he wants happen is terrifying. Frightening as the others are, Trump is terrifying.

I’m mystified why people think being ‘against the Establishment’ is such a great thing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:25:56pm

re: #264 Not a Sparkly Vampire

You’re right.
I keep forgetting how Republican is response was.

Representative Guiterez had a great article on Univision. I mean Steve fucking King praises Bernie’s stance on the issue. Very disappointing for someone whose Twitter feed insists you can’t be progressive and moderate at the same time.
univision.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:28:14pm

re: #265 Blind Frog Belly White

I gotta say, I’m souring even more on the whole ‘anti-establishment’ idea. One problem with anti-establishment types is that often they lack the depth of knowledge and thought that you see in people who’ve been working on this shit for decades.

Consider Hillary’s detailed, well thought out, nuanced answers on a broad range of topics. Compare that with Bernie’s more ‘One Size Fits All’ responses. What Bernie says is true, but it’s not the WHOLE truth, and his answers don’t reflect decades of considering policies and effects.

On the GOP side, the depth of Trump’s ignorance of policy, disdain of nuance, and arrogance about his ability to make whatever he wants happen is terrifying. Frightening as the others are, Trump is terrifying.

I’m mystified why people think being ‘against the Establishment’ is such a great thing.

Honestly maybe it’s just me getting older but the more I see “anti-establishment” as a mere slogan, the more I see hollow bs. I can understand why people don’t like so called career politicians but I also think most of the time I’d rather have an accomplished legislator who’s worked their life in politics than someone running off raw anger. Of course, Bernie really is different in the sense that he’s an as much a careerist as Hillary is. I will grant that she’s more establishment than he is but I’d also add that he could easily be part of the establishment if he worked on actually passing legislation rather than trying to be the progressive of them all.

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unproven innocence  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:32:02pm

re: #227 Sophist: Domo Arigato, Marco Ruboto

Decades? Dude, no. Just no.

The Hawaiian archipelago was created by an upflow hotspot over the last ~25 million years.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. So, many many decades. My point was that hotspots move.

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gwangung  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:35:46pm

This is from a black Clinton supporter, so take it with a grain of salt, but that’s a perspective that’s being neglected…

storify.com

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CleverToad  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:35:47pm

re: #69 Tigger2

[Embedded content]

Different year, same threnody. My mom says a friend of hers died back in the early 60’s because the Catholic hospital refused to terminate a pregnancy that was going terribly and obviously wrong. The mother died, the fetus died, and the father was left with five kids to raise on his own. One of the reasons my mom has been a strong supporter of Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood for decades.

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Sophist, Vogon Poet Laureate  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:36:39pm

re: #268 unproven innocence

Ok, thanks for the clarification. So, many many decades. My point was that hotspots move.

Not much. The Hawaiian hotspot stayed in pretty much the same spot: the pacific plate moved above it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:37:43pm

re: #260 EPR-radar

Whether or not we need a revolution is very unclear to me. What is much more clear is that a revolution at this time isn’t going to happen. We either get stasis or a bit of incremental progress here and there, or the shit hits the fan because we end up with a GOP president.

IMO, the ‘revolution’ we need is for people to start taking an interest again. The GOP has cynically cultivated the view that your vote doesn’t count, and the system doesn’t work, and it’s worked. Trust in all institutions is at all time lows, and a lot of the institutions are working hard to earn that lack of trust. Consider MSNBC’s fellating Trump for a couple hours last night. The Press’s role is to hold candidates’ feet to the fire, to ask the hard, unanswerable questions. But years of pressure from the GOP, combined with integrity losing out to the drive for ratings, has left the media gunshy about seeming too ‘liberal’, and happy to avoid certain topics, or pressing too hard, so as not to jeopardize ‘access’.

So, people get cynical and stop paying attention. What news they hear, they only believe if they want to. People feel powerless, and like The System cannot be made to work.

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CleverToad  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:37:46pm

re: #98 blueraven

Everyone should be furious. This is somebody’s wife, daughter, maybe somebody’s mother, sister…Totally unacceptable and absolutely irresponsible. Also, reprehensible.

(fixed it for me)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:41:31pm

re: #269 gwangung

This is from a black Clinton supporter, so take it with a grain of salt, but that’s a perspective that’s being neglected…

storify.com

There’s an interesting article within this though and this is the kind of thing I look at when looking at candidates, what’s happening at home. This furthers my belief that while Bernie sees problems with racism that he is so focused on his economic issues that he neglects to see racial problems that do exist independent of wealth.
thedailybeast.com

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Stanley Sea  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:45:30pm

re: #269 gwangung

This is from a black Clinton supporter, so take it with a grain of salt, but that’s a perspective that’s being neglected…

storify.com

I check Propane Jane every day. In my mind, she is very on point.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:46:01pm

re: #275 Stanley Sea

I check Propane Jane every day. In my mind, she is very on point.

First time reading her, she’s very insightful.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:50:01pm

re: #142 nines09

You really have to wonder how much self medicating Dr. Ben has engaged in. Ben Carson is ON the moon.

Who said he’s self-medicating? He probably borrowed time at a Johns Hopkins robotic surgical suite and self-implanted a neuro-stimulator to keep him stable…..

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Ubiq  Feb 18, 2016 • 3:52:52pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Honestly maybe it’s just me getting older but the more I see “anti-establishment” as a mere slogan, the more I see hollow bs. I can understand why people don’t like so called career politicians but I also think most of the time I’d rather have an accomplished legislator who’s worked their life in politics than someone running off raw anger. Of course, Bernie really is different in the sense that he’s an as much a careerist as Hillary is. I will grant that she’s more establishment than he is but I’d also add that he could easily be part of the establishment if he worked on actually passing legislation rather than trying to be the progressive of them all.

With the caveat that I’m leaning Bernie, my huge problem with the anti-establishment meme is that all that clout and all that power is what you need to get a congress. Neither Bernie nor Hillary is doing fuck-all unless they at least get the Senate. The Establishment, the DNC, and money is how that happens. I see little or no effort on the part of the Bernie enthusiasts on downballot races, though.

That’s the difference between someone who is an avowed lifetime Democrat and one who runs as a Democrat solely for convenience. Bernie is not actually interested in strengthening the party - and many of his followers are actually proud of that. It just seems hopelessly naive.

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danarchy  Feb 18, 2016 • 4:56:15pm

re: #247 blueraven

Oh Jeez…Fox News just announced that their new Dem National poll has Bernie ahead 47- 44

I don’t think so. Will be interested to read the questions they ask and see the cross tabs.

They are pretty good at sneaking in negative questions about Dem candidates when they want to sway one way or the other.

The latest Quinipiac(sp?) poll has Clinton only up by 2 nationally so it isn’t a huge outlier. Others still have Clinton up by more but it has certainly tightened over the past 2 weeks.


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