Ted Cruz Says He Would Pardon Center for Medical Progress Fraudster David Daleiden

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A dozen states have now conducted investigations into Planned Parenthood following the release of the deceptively edited “sting” videos by David Daleiden and his “Center for Medical Progress,” and every single one of these investigations has found Planned Parenthood completely innocent of any wrongdoing.

But despite being cleared in case after case, Republican politicians continue to parrot the lies about Planned Parenthood launched by Daleiden — the false accusation that they “sell baby parts” for profit. Obviously, these politicians know very well they’re lying.

In the latest example of this utter disregard for the truth, Ted Cruz was interviewed on Fox News by Megyn Kelly, and was asked if he’d pardon David Daleiden if he were convicted of a federal crime; Cruz said, “The answer is yes.”

He then proceeded to repeat the same dishonest claims about Planned Parenthood that have been completely debunked, over and over, and said he’d launch another investigation into Planned Parenthood on his “very first day in office.” Clearly, this is an unprincipled, dishonest hate-monger who will do and say anything to get elected president, and he’s not unusual; all of the GOP candidates continue to incite hatred against Planned Parenthood.

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Listen, as a Texan, as a Houstonian, I was deeply dismayed and disappointed to see the Harris County district attorney bringing criminal charges against someone who went undercover to expose what appears to be vast criminal conduct by Planned Parenthood. I think he performed an incredible public service and I’ll tell you this. I’ve pledged if I’m elected president, on the very first day in office, I intend to instruct the U.S. Department of Justice to open an investigation into Planned Parenthood and to prosecute any and all criminal conduct by that organization.

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241 comments
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bratwurst  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:47:00pm

Fortunately for truth and justice, this despicable man will NEVER be elected POTUS.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:47:09pm

So Cruz is figuring his guy will be convicted. Hmmm. Strikes me as a sort of admission that he thinks he broke the law but because Cruz sees his fucked up cause as valiant, he’ll give a pardon. The only place Cruz will be giving pardons is in his dreams though. He’s not going ot be president.

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wrenchwench  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:47:18pm

The only reason I’d like to see Cruz as the Republican nominee would be to see Hillary go after him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:47:24pm

re: #1 bratwurst

Fortunately for truth and justice, this despicable man will NEVER be elected POTUS.

Thank god for that.

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:47:42pm

The party of Lawn’order!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:47:42pm

re: #3 wrenchwench

The only reason I’d like to see Cruz as the Republican nominee would be to see Hillary go after him.

I really hope he’s targeted for re-election.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:48:52pm

He’d launch an investigation on Day One, and then when it came to nothing, still try to ram a bill to defund them through Congress.

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bratwurst  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:50:26pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I really hope he’s targeted for re-election.

I think there is a good chance he is going to walk after one term in the Senate in any case, he is just that hated. A recent example:

Even Ted Cruz’s Best Friend in the Senate Is Campaigning for Rubio

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:50:54pm

“if I’m elected president…”

after that, you can ignore it all as RWNJ fantasy fapping.

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:51:34pm

Wait, it’s the local DA that’s brought chargers, not the US Attorney’s office, right? I was under the impression that the president could only pardon (or grant clemency) those convicted of federal crimes. I mean, that’s the whole point of federalism, right?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:52:57pm

re: #10 KGxvi

Wait, it’s the local DA that’s brought chargers, not the US Attorney’s office, right? I was under the impression that the president could only pardon (or grant clemency) those convicted of federal crimes. I mean, that’s the whole point of federalism, right?

I’m not sure.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:53:41pm

re: #8 bratwurst

I think there is a good chance he is going to walk after one term in the Senate in any case, he is just that hated. A recent example:

Even Ted Cruz’s Best Friend in the Senate Is Campaigning for Rubio

Yeah probably a Jim Demint sort of deal I figure. Wow though Mike Lee even. Ouch Teabag Ted ouch.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:54:05pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:54:17pm

re: #10 KGxvi

You can bet that Texas Gov. Abbot would pardon him if he’s convicted.

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:55:38pm

re: #14 Eric The Fruit Bat

You can bet that Texas Gov. Abbot would pardon him if he’s convicted.

Charges are also pending in CA as far as I know.

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Shiplord Kirel  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:57:13pm

The base KNOWS that Cruz is lying but they don’t care. We have spent a lot of time questioning their intelligence, I think it is time to start questioning their morals.

With leaders like this, the defeated Republican Party will be a criminal insurgency during the next administration.

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:57:25pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

quick review looks like the president can’t pardon someone for state crimes, that’d have to be the governor of the state.

re: #14 Eric The Fruit Bat

You can bet that Texas Gov. Abbot would pardon him if he’s convicted.

fair point.

re: #15 Kragar

Charges are also pending in CA as far as I know.

There’s so many parts moving on this, I get confused, is California just the law suit or is there also criminal charges?

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:58:24pm

And yup, there it is:

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 2:59:16pm

re: #17 KGxvi

quick review looks like the president can’t pardon someone for state crimes, that’d have to be the governor of the state.

fair point.

There’s so many parts moving on this, I get confused, is California just the law suit or is there also criminal charges?

Last I heard, CA was investigating for making false statement when they applied for state IDs with their fake identities

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:01:04pm

Humor Is The Best Opiate

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:01:55pm

re: #18 Kragar

From the Twenty-fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America:

The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

(emphasis added) So glad these assholes are proficient in the actual content of the document they claim to love.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:02:37pm

re: #18 Kragar

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You mean that tax that you don’t believe is constitutional? God I am so sick of the Republican party’s blatant contempt for suffrage for all adult citizens over 18 and thus the very foundation of modern representative government.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:03:10pm

re: #21 KGxvi

From the Twenty-fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America:

(emphasis added) So glad these assholes are proficient in the actual content of the document they claim to love.

Michelle also thinks slavery wasn’t so abd either so no surprise that she pines for the poll tax days.

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Whack-A-Mole  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:03:19pm

re: #18 Kragar

I’d like to ask her if 49.2% of Americans have no vagina, should they get to make rules on pregnancy and abortion?

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:03:55pm

re: #16 Shiplord Kirel

The base KNOWS that Cruz is lying but they don’t care. We have spent a lot of time questioning their intelligence, I think it is time to start questioning their morals.

With leaders like this, the defeated Republican Party will be a criminal insurgency during the next administration.

I don’t question their morals. I know they don’t have any. Nothing to question.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:04:55pm

re: #18 Kragar

The logical extension of this concept is, of course, that the vote of people who pay more in taxes is worth proportionally more.

Which is stupid, but I can think of a number of Republicans who would absolutely embrace that desecration of the Constitution.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:04:59pm

Besides other taxes that ALL Americans pay for government too. It’s not just income tax.

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:05:17pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:05:38pm

re: #26 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The logical extension of this concept is, of course, that the vote of people who pay more in taxes is worth proportionally more.

Which is stupid, but I can think of a number of Republicans who would absolutely embrace that desecration of the Constitution.

The Republican Party is continuing to show itself as the party that thinks Russia lost its way when it abolished serfdom.

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:07:05pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:07:41pm

Some good news out of Turkey in this very informative article from English PEN:

Turkey: Constitutional Court ruling in favour of Can Dündar & Erdem Gül

Turkey’s Constitutional Court ruling on Thursday that the imprisonment of journalists Can Dündar and Erdem Gül, for publishing a news story about arms deliveries by the Turkish intelligence service to Islamist groups in Syria, amounted to a violation of their rights is a positive development in the current dire situation for freedom of expression in Turkey, PEN International, English PEN and PEN Turkey said today.

PEN International expects the ruling to pave the way for their immediate and unconditional release and calls for the immediate release of all other journalists and writers held in Turkey for their peaceful exercise of their right to freedom of expression.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:09:05pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Yeah probably a Jim Demint sort of deal I figure. Wow though Mike Lee even. Ouch Teabag Ted ouch.

Ted knifed Mike Lee in the back on a bill Lee was sponsoring.
theatlantic.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:09:16pm

re: #30 gocart mozart

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Funny, a lot of people would consider your religion that combines theocratic bullshit with no regard for the poor a fake religion but you’re still allowed to ruin the Air Force Academy with taht shit Michelle.

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Bill and Opus for 2016!  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:09:48pm

re: #14 Eric The Fruit Bat

You can bet that Texas Gov. Abbot would pardon him if he’s convicted.

Given that Greg Abbott would likely pardon Scott Roeder if he was in Texas that is a sucker bet.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:10:25pm

re: #32 Big Beautiful Door

Ted knifed Mike Lee in the back on a bill Lee was sponsoring.
theatlantic.com

Thanks. God no wonder why people hate the guy so much.

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:13:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:14:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:15:53pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:17:06pm

Just espied my sister-in-law holding two empty wine glasses and singing, which brought on an Ella flashback

Youtube Video

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:17:10pm

re: #30 gocart mozart

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:17:26pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Remember the ice bucket challenge? Cruz does the dickhead challenge where he goes out of his way to be a dick to the most people as possible. It’s a lot of fun. Millions of lives get ruined but Ted gets his wings from the Tea Party.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:17:51pm

re: #40 Kragar

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1.) Evangelical Christianity

Everythign else

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:21:01pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

1.) Evangelical Christianity

Everythign else

Dominionist Evangelical or Prosperity Gospel Evangelical?

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:24:16pm

Even if Cruz beats Trump in Texas, the delegate awarding algorithm will still give Trump many Texas delegates.

After Super Tuesday, there will be very many calls for Cruz to bow out.

Cruz’s own ego will not allow that to happen, I expect.

But Trump will nationally have several times the number of delegates that Cruz has… and the writing will be on the wall.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:24:29pm

re: #30 gocart mozart

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Except the Air Force didn’t pay to have people learn anything, it allowed them to draw from a fund that is also available to Christians of virtually any of the metric shit-ton of denominations available.

“Freedom for me, not for thee” rides again.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:24:53pm

re: #43 Kragar

Dominionist Evangelical or Prosperity Gospel Evangelical?

Duh Dominionist, of course.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:24:57pm

re: #43 Kragar

Dominionist Evangelical or Prosperity Gospel Evangelical?

Goddamnit which one is she again?

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:25:06pm

So, in tonight’s “debate”, what is the chance that a question will be asked about these PP videos and Cruz’s call for a federal investigation??

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:25:42pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Goddamnit which one is she again?

Depends on how the fund raising is going

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:25:52pm

Yesterday:

Today:

Tomorrow?

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:25:52pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:28:05pm

re: #26 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The logical extension of this concept is, of course, that the vote of people who pay more in taxes is worth proportionally more.

Which is stupid, but I can think of a number of Republicans who would absolutely embrace that desecration of the Constitution.

That’s the whole filthy point behind this “run the country as if it were a company” Republican crap. Obviously they want dollars to be the shares, and shareholder’s votes would count proportionally to their wealth.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:28:26pm

re: #51 Kragar

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Trump running for the Presidency of the hearts of mid 19th century Protestants afraid of Irish and German Catholics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:28:33pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:28:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:30:07pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

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If I’m Dems opps research, I’m tying Rubio and Cruz to him especially Cruz who spent the better part of last year kissing Trump’s asshole.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:30:53pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:31:15pm

Six more days. I do so hope they let him inside at night.

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Jenner7  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:32:08pm

Sigh…

The Intercept?

Double sigh..

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:33:02pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

If I’m Dems opps research, I’m tying Rubio and Cruz to him especially Cruz who spent the better part of last year kissing Trump’s asshole.

It doesn’t matter. Cruz isn’t going to be the nominee and Trump metaphysically can’t pick him as VP after all the shit he’s said about the guy.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:35:24pm

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

That is easier to say than to do, since the GOP base has, like Pavlov’s dogs, been well-trained to salivate in response to fascism, racial scapegoating and demagoguery.

The GOP establishment’s problem is simply that Trump is better at getting votes by appealing to hate and resentment than the establishment is. Kind of pathetic, given the fact that the GOP has been doing this for at least thirty years.

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:35:37pm

re: #60 goddamnedfrank

It doesn’t matter. Cruz isn’t going to be the nominee and Trump metaphysically can’t pick him as VP after all the shit he’s said about the guy.

You know, I bet the only thing that scares the GOP establishment more than a Trump nomination is who Trump would pick for his running mate.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:35:40pm

re: #59 Jenner7

Sigh…

The Intercept?

Double sigh..

Hey Bernz, maybe most of the pundits (and superdelegates) seem pro-Clinton because they think she’d be a better president than you.

.
.
.

Nahhhhh, probably a vast center-wing conspiracy.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:37:18pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:38:12pm

re: #62 KGxvi

You know, I bet the only thing that scares the GOP establishment more than a Trump nomination is who Trump would pick for his running mate.

David Duke is available.

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:38:14pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:39:11pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

If I’m Dems opps research, I’m tying Rubio and Cruz to him especially Cruz who spent the better part of last year kissing Trump’s asshole.

Ted Cruz has acted as a parasitical remora on the Trump campaign, hoping that Trump would implode on his own and let Cruz pick up all those wonderful votes without the tedious and politically dangerous business of pandering to these morons and bigots.

The apparent failure of this strategy is one of the better points of the primary season so far.

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:39:31pm

re: #64 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I hatz click-baity tag lines like that from WaPo.

Facebook is filled with all sorts of “… Then this happened…” bait…

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retired cynic  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:40:38pm

re: #64 klys (maker of Silmarils)

I have followed that story on NPR for the last week. Bless him! At the time of the explosion, I had no problem at all blaming the Reagan White House PR folks for pushing the launch so that they could have a talking point at the SOTU address that evening.

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wrenchwench  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:40:47pm

re: #68 freetoken

I hatz click-baity tag lines like that from WaPo.

Facebook is filled with all sorts of “… Then this happened…” bait…

I’d ditch Facebook before WaPo.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:42:14pm

Well folks, I think we can pack it in, there’s no point in running the election now.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:42:16pm

re: #67 EPR-radar

pick up all those wonderful votes without the tedious and politically dangerous business of pandering to these morons and bigots.

The apparent failure of this strategy is one of the better points of the primary season so far.

The old Democratic saw was “why campaign as Republican Lite when voters can simply choose the real thing?”.

It’s nice to see the GOP get bit in the ass on this one for once.

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:42:21pm

re: #66 gocart mozart

That looks like Vince McMahon’s stable a few years ago. The book ends are the Bella Twins, no?

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:43:56pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

Norpoth has his “cycles” algorithm that tells him these things.

The Trumpiots are really pushing his proclamations.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:44:12pm

re: #61 EPR-radar

That is easier to say than to do, since the GOP base has, like Pavlov’s dogs, been well-trained to salivate in response to fascism, racial scapegoating and demagoguery.

The GOP establishment’s problem is simply that Trump is better at getting votes by appealing to hate and resentment than the establishment is. Kind of pathetic, given the fact that the GOP has been doing this for at least thirty years.

Yes, but the GOP leadership understood the long term importance of maintaining a kind of crypto-racism. By making the strategy so amazingly blatant Trump has given away the game, and by allowing him to do it from within the party the GOP establishment has allowed him to destroy their party.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:45:00pm
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Testy Toad T  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:45:01pm

re: #74 freetoken

Norpoth has his “cycles” algorithm that tells him these things.

The Trumpiots are really pushing his proclamations.

Overfitting, how does it work?

Never give a political scientistic access to a computer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:45:03pm
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Maxwell Not So Smart  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:45:09pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m watching on YouTube. 3:00 to go. Looks like the launch is a go for tonight.

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lockjawcanbefun  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:46:18pm

re: #73 freetoken

Bella Twin, Kelly Kelly, Maryse, Eve Torres, Maria Kanellis, Other Bella Twin

Yes. I knew those without a second glance.

Yes. I should find something else to watch on Mondays.

And Wednesdays.

And 12 Sundays a year.

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Jenner7  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:46:43pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reset the clock….again.

Ugh.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:47:32pm

Came this close to making me spit out my beer

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:47:42pm

This flu is an absolute motherfucker by the way, last night was hell. Don’t think I slept for more than an hour at a time. Seriously, if any of you get even the slightest twinge of feeling fucked up go get an anti-viral prescription. I didn’t in time and am paying for it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:48:21pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He was part of a 9/11 commission in Florida that he never showed up for meetings for that either.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:48:46pm

re: #74 freetoken

Norpoth has his “cycles” algorithm that tells him these things.

The Trumpiots are really pushing his proclamations.

Ayep, starts from the mindset that the Republicans have a better than even chance of winning the White House and then goes from there. The bias is baked into the numbers.

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TedStriker  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:49:32pm

re: #26 klys (maker of Silmarils)

The logical extension of this concept is, of course, that the vote of people who pay more in taxes is worth proportionally more.

Which is stupid, but I can think of a number of Republicans who would absolutely embrace that desecration of the Constitution.

Hey, Citizens United brought that closer to reality, the thought that “cash is speech” and that more cash means more speech (or influence).

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:49:51pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

His “cycles” thing strikes me a bit like astrology.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:49:53pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

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Well folks, I think we can pack it in, there’s no point in running the election now.

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I think the good professor hasn’t looked at demographics. What states is Trump going to get back in to the Republican fold?

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:49:57pm

re: #73 freetoken

I defer to your greater hooker knowledge ;)

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:51:35pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

He was part of a 9/11 commission in Florida that he never showed up for meetings for that either.

Rubio’s dedication to doing his job as a public official is typical of Republicans. All they want in office is the ability and a justification for screwing over other people. Everything else is completely irrelevant.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:51:38pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

This flu is an absolute motherfucker by the way, last night was hell. Don’t think I slept for more than an hour at a time. Seriously, if any of you get even the slightest twinge of feeling fucked up go get an anti-viral prescription. I didn’t in time and am paying for it.

Feel better real soon, goddamnedfrank! I don’t remember when I last had the flu, but I do remember it was like having a long nightmare while being awake. ;-)

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:51:44pm

re: #89 gocart mozart

I defer to your greater hooker knowledge ;)

Well… *ahem*… I believe that a few years ago McMahon basically had ring girls (like UFC does now) but instead actually put them in a ring once in a while to wrestle… in panties and bras sometimes.

Just to remind everyone: On Trump’s video that he plays at the start of every gathering the first *endorsement* voice you hear is… Vince McMahon.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:52:08pm

re: #87 freetoken

His “cycles” thing strikes me a bit like astrology.

It’s true that elections are not independent events, but yeah. Not exactly predictive on its own.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:52:12pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

This flu is an absolute motherfucker by the way, last night was hell. Don’t think I slept for more than an hour at a time. Seriously, if any of you get even the slightest twinge of feeling fucked up go get an anti-viral prescription. I didn’t in time and am paying for it.

not a werepanda, but…

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:52:50pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

I think the good professor hasn’t looked at demographics. What states is Trump going to get back in to the Republican fold?

The professor’s model assumes two things A) that Republicans begin the election with an advantage due to “cycles,” and B) that enthusiasm and turnout in primaries carries over into the general election.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:56:23pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

The professor’s model assumes two things A) that Republicans begin the election with an advantage due to “cycles,” and B) that enthusiasm and turnout in primaries carries over into the general election.

Foolish I think on his part.

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Maxwell Not So Smart  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:56:35pm

Oh well launch scrubbed again. If only it was easier to send a machine going several times the speed of a hurricane loaded with highly explosive propellant through atmosphere in to orbit around a gravity well.

/

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:57:53pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

I think anyone making bold predictions about Trump vs. anybody in a general election is skating on thin ice. A clown like Trump in the general election would be unprecedented, and most models will have a built-in bias toward the future being like the past that will reduce their value.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:59:17pm

Baby Whiplash was not lynched. He is disappointed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 3:59:42pm

re: #97 Maxwell Not So Smart

Oh well launch scrubbed again. If only it was easier to send a machine going several times the speed of a hurricane loaded with highly explosive propellant through atmosphere in to orbit around a gravity well.

/

or start loading the fuel sooner…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:00:13pm

The thing about Trump you have to figure is that Hispanic voters are going to be eager to vote against the guy. You may as well be nominating George Wallace on a major party ticket in the late 60’s with Trump in regards to Hispanics.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:00:48pm

Poor baby did you not get all the attention you craved?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:00:59pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash was not lynched. He is disappointed.

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Here’s a pacifier for you douchebag. Maybe if you gave less speeches insulting people you don’t even know, you wouldn’t get treated like the shithead clown you are.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:01:09pm

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

Poor baby did you not get all the attention you craved?

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did a fish just fart again?

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:01:21pm

That photo,I believe, with the McMahon harem came from the time of this episode:

Donald Trump buys RAW!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:01:33pm

re: #51 Kragar

“Trump did really well against the pope” - overheard on MSNBC. This election cycle is really something.

The pope will still take Massachusetts.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:01:35pm

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

Poor baby did you not get all the attention you craved?

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Fascism? Like your guys Milo and Trump? Face it Ben, you love fascism when it’s to your benefit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:01:58pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:04:28pm

re: #98 EPR-radar

I think anyone making bold predictions about Trump vs. anybody in a general election is skating on thin ice. A clown like Trump in the general election would be unprecedented, and most models will have a built-in bias toward the future being like the past that will reduce their value.

I’d go so far as to say that Trump is a black swan, a major and unpredicted event that is going against history and will (once he’s crashed and burned) be rationalized as having been predictable if people had read the relevant data.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:04:48pm
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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:05:50pm

re: #80 lockjawcanbefun

Bella Twin, Kelly Kelly, Maryse, Eve Torres, Maria Kanellis, Other Bella Twin

Yes. I knew those without a second glance.

Yes. I should find something else to watch on Mondays.

And Wednesdays.

And 12 Sundays a year.

I’ll also cop to watching Raw (well the 90 minute Hulu edition) and the PPVs. I’d also watch Lucha Underground if it was streaming, though probably not TNA.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:05:59pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Clearly, we need more good guys with guns.

/

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:06:00pm

re: #98 EPR-radar

I think anyone making bold predictions about Trump vs. anybody in a general election is skating on thin ice. A clown like Trump in the general election would be unprecedented, and most models will have a built-in bias toward the future being like the past that will reduce their value.

He’s just taking up from last cycle’s CU professor who had Romney by a knockout:

denverpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:06:05pm

re: #108 The Vicious Babushka

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No, Little Ben discriminating against people because they’re different from you is evil. Trying to improve the lives of those less well off from you is a good thing. Really social justice is evil? God this guy’s such a waste of space. Of course, the little scumbuckets at YAF are goo-goo gah for that since they love hearing that shit.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:06:56pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:07:10pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

The professor’s model assumes two things A) that Republicans begin the election with an advantage due to “cycles,” and B) that enthusiasm and turnout in primaries carries over into the general election.

Neither point is foolish on its face, but the enthusiasm and turnout factor in particular is very hard to boil down into a number to plug into a model.

For example, much of this enthusiasm is hot wingnut on wingnut action which has already generated more substantial threats to GOP party unity than I’ve seen in years.

Point A is the one that really worries me. We have never had long stretches of time with one party continuously having the presidency in the US, with the exception of the FDR/Truman era. Sooner rather than later, if the past is any guide, it will be the Republicans’ turn whether or not they are collectively insane.

Perhaps the changing demographics of the presidential year electorate will put an end to this pattern, and I’d certainly be happy to see this happen.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:07:27pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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That’s Internet Tough Guy, JD, who is afraid of transpeople to you sir!

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:07:30pm

re: #99 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash was not lynched. He is disappointed.

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I’m going to need to see actual video of this in order to believe any of it, and even then, I probably won’t.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:07:57pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

The thing about Trump you have to figure is that Hispanic voters are going to be eager to vote against the guy. You may as well be nominating George Wallace on a major party ticket in the late 60’s with Trump in regards to Hispanics.

110% this. I’m seeing all sorts of silly “well Trump will do the gish gallop with Clinton scandals and Sanders will just keep things on the issues and so something something electability” and I just want to power down the Berniebot.

Trump will, cast in stone, clad in iron, lose black and hispanic voters by a staggering and possibly unprecedented amount, no matter what happens in debates, no matter who is the democratic nominee, no matter what. There are simply not enough persuadable white voters in this country to make up the difference.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:09:12pm

re: #116 EPR-radar

Neither point is foolish on its face, but the enthusiasm and turnout factor in particular is very hard to boil down into a number to plug into a model.

Well, that and any model that turns out >80% (say) confidence in any event as complex as an election this far in advance can be immediately and completely discounted.

Absurd on its face.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:09:13pm

Baby Whiplash furiously retweeting his narrative

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:09:28pm

re: #119 Testy Toad T

110% this. I’m seeing all sorts of silly “well Trump will do the gish gallop with Clinton scandals and Sanders will just keep things on the issues and so something something electability” and I just want to power down the Berniebot.

Trump will, cast in stone, clad in iron, lose black and hispanic voters by a staggering and possibly unprecedented amount, no matter what happens in debates, no matter who is the democratic nominee, no matter what. There are simply not enough persuadable white voters in this country to make up the difference.

If we can get everybody to the freakn’ polling booth.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:10:39pm

re: #114 HappyWarrior

No, Little Ben discriminating against people because they’re different from you is evil. Trying to improve the lives of those less well off from you is a good thing. Really social justice is evil? God this guy’s such a waste of space. Of course, the little scumbuckets at YAF are goo-goo gah for that since they love hearing that shit.

YAF and college Republicans are really depressing to contemplate. One should need to be older to be so evil.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:11:03pm

The spotlight is on him and this mic is on and he complains about “leftists silencing him”

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:11:07pm

re: #116 EPR-radar

Neither point is foolish on its face, but the enthusiasm and turnout factor in particular is very hard to boil down into a number to plug into a model.

For example, much of this enthusiasm is hot wingnut on wingnut action which has already generated more substantial threats to GOP party unity than I’ve seen in years.

Point A is the one that really worries me. We have never had long stretches of time with one party continuously having the presidency in the US, with the exception of the FDR/Truman era. Sooner rather than later, if the past is any guide, it will be the Republicans’ turn whether or not they are collectively insane.

Perhaps the changing demographics of the presidential year electorate will put an and to this pattern, and I’d certainly be happy to see this happen.

Reagan and GHWB running 12 years is the longest in the post war era. But there are a lot of weird things in that run too, JFK’s assassination, LBJ dropping out due to Vietnam, RFK’s assassination, Watergate… All of those likely drastically changed the outcomes of the following cycles in some way.

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:11:18pm

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

Ben ought to be wondering where the audience is.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:11:44pm

re: #123 EPR-radar

YAF and college Republicans are really depressing to contemplate. One should need to be older to be so evil.

Accomplished evil takes practice and dedication.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:11:50pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

If we can get everybody to the freakn’ polling booth.

That thing upthread about black swans. I think it’ll be pretty easy, compared to the baseline, to get hispanic voters to pull the lever against a guy who said they and/or their folks were sent north because they were all rapists.

I mean, seriously, we have to recognize how bad our priors are here. Nobody has ever sounded remotely like Trump in an actual serious election. Not even close.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:12:02pm

re: #126 Skip Intro

Ben ought to be wondering where the audience is.

He claims “leftists” blocked the doors and his audience had to sneak in through the air ducts or something.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:12:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:12:41pm

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash furiously retweeting his narrative

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You know for a homophobe, I think it’s funny that Ben’s bff calls him darling.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:12:59pm

If “leftists” wanted to ruin Ben’s party they could have cut the mic & turned out the lights, but they didn’t.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:13:58pm

Would I be wrong for thinking that Benny Shapiro is vastly overstating his fear of leftist attacking him and he managed to escape from the Cal State LA discussion?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:13:59pm

re: #132 The Vicious Babushka

If “leftists” wanted to ruin Ben’s party they could have cut the mic & turned out the lights, but they didn’t.

or laughed at him, that’s what I would have done if I were still at school and came across this sad cretin.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:14:01pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

Accomplished evil takes practice and dedication.

Indeed. Standing around like Hitler youth imitators waiting for their Hitler isn’t going to impress anyone.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:14:21pm

re: #128 Testy Toad T

That thing upthread about black swans. I think it’ll be pretty easy, compared to the baseline, to get hispanic voters to pull the lever against a guy who said they and/or their folks were sent north because they were all rapists.

I mean, seriously, we have to recognize how bad our priors are here. Nobody has ever sounded remotely like Trump in an actual serious election. Not even close.

In our community (and Wife’s church) even second-generation Hispanics stay well under the radar—too many vulnerable relatives.

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:14:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:15:45pm

re: #119 Testy Toad T

110% this. I’m seeing all sorts of silly “well Trump will do the gish gallop with Clinton scandals and Sanders will just keep things on the issues and so something something electability” and I just want to power down the Berniebot.

Trump will, cast in stone, clad in iron, lose black and hispanic voters by a staggering and possibly unprecedented amount, no matter what happens in debates, no matter who is the democratic nominee, no matter what. There are simply not enough persuadable white voters in this country to make up the difference.

Right, I mean guys, Trump is DESPISED by the Hispanic community. And really I think any of the Republican candidates even Cruz and Rubio is going to struggle too though granted not at the same rate.

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:15:58pm

Locally, the measure to put a yuppie (Nordstrom-anchored, discount-store banished) mall next to a lagoon appears to have lost:

sdvote.com

But there are still mail ballots to be counted.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:16:41pm

You know what, insult me and tell me all the hateful shit that Shapiro does about “leftists” all day on Twitter, I’d be pretty pissed too. Baby Ben thinks he can incite people by insulting them and then cry about censorship if they predictably get mad.

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Testy Toad T  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:17:06pm

Open up some popcorn. From TPM this evening, some quotes re: Trump’s lead from sitting GOP senators.

“Well, he has won the last three so yeah,” Sen. John Thune (R-SD) said when asked if he considers Trump the leader in the GOP primary.

.

“It’s a concern,” said Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ). Flake added that Trump’s Nevada victory made it impossible for him to brush Trump off now. “Let’s face it. That was a bigger win than we thought.”

.

“I think he is getting close,” admitted Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC).

.

“I’m stumped,” said Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)

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“Everything I thought I knew about politics is out the window,” Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said when asked to weigh in on Trump’s frontrunner status.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:17:35pm

re: #119 Testy Toad T

110% this. I’m seeing all sorts of silly “well Trump will do the gish gallop with Clinton scandals and Sanders will just keep things on the issues and so something something electability” and I just want to power down the Berniebot.

Trump will, cast in stone, clad in iron, lose black and hispanic voters by a staggering and possibly unprecedented amount, no matter what happens in debates, no matter who is the democratic nominee, no matter what. There are simply not enough persuadable white voters in this country to make up the difference.

I don’t think the Reagan democrats ever left the GOP, so I think the GOP already has pretty much all the available resentful white man votes that can be had.

Assuming decent turnout by the Democrats, a whites-only strategy is a sure loser.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:17:51pm

re: #141 Testy Toad T

Open up some popcorn. From TPM this evening, some quotes re: Trump’s lead from sitting GOP senators.

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.

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It’s your party boys and you can cry if you want to.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:18:36pm

re: #142 EPR-radar

I don’t think the Reagan democrats ever left the GOP, so I think the GOP already has pretty much all the available resentful white man votes that can be had.

Assuming decent turnout by the Democrats, a whites-only strategy is a sure loser.

I think some did go back to Clinton but they’ve pretty much either died or became a permanent part of the GOP.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:19:16pm

re: #141 Testy Toad T

These Republicans would be perfectly capable of understanding what’s going on with Trump if they would only drop their delusion that the Republican party is civilized.

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b_sharp  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:19:27pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

The professor’s model assumes two things A) that Republicans begin the election with an advantage due to “cycles,” and B) that enthusiasm and turnout in primaries carries over into the general election.

Did you find a description of his Primary Model?

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:20:06pm

BREAKING — Republican loses it when a Republican behaves like a Republican

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:20:39pm

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash furiously retweeting his narrative

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Locked in an auditorium with Ben Shapiro speaking.

I’ll take “Cut Scenes from Dante’s Inferno” for $200, Alex

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:20:46pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I think some did go back to Clinton but they’ve pretty much either died or became a permanent part of the GOP.

Good point about Bill Clinton. He would have gotten some back, but they would have bolted again in 2008.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:21:32pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

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Well folks, I think we can pack it in, there’s no point in running the election now.

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Norpoth must be the oldest man in the world; the article says he correctly predicted the outcome of the 1912 election!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:21:41pm

re: #147 De Kolta Chair

BREAKING — Republican loses it when a Republican behaves like a Republican

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Gee, that surprises them. The party that has championed outsourcing for years. This is really fucking funny. Good one right wingers. Next Trump will be too mean spirited to be a real conservative, right?

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gwangung  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:21:52pm

re: #142 EPR-radar

, a whites-only strategy is a sure loser.

Applies to either side of the aisle.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:23:02pm

SAVE ARE FREEDUMBS!!!11!!!

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:23:06pm

Evening Lizardim from cool, cloudy, but certainly milder-than-home North Carolina. I’m away on business, and let’s just face it - I am bored with a capital F. How go things among the lizardfolk this evening?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:23:25pm

re: #149 EPR-radar

Good point about Bill Clinton. He would have gotten some back, but they would have bolted again in 2008.

My mom’s parents were kind of Reagan Democrats without the heh voting for Reagan thing. You know the type, blue collar white ethnic lifelong Democrats. I think by 2008 most of them had really died out. The Reagan Democrats are better labeled Nixon Democrats IMO since their route to the GOP starts with Nixon taking advantage of white anger over Civil Rights in the North.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:24:38pm

Police presser in a few minutes.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:24:46pm

I think it’s funny seeing people who don’t give a damn about other people’s rights cry about this. Honestly, I don’t know what happened on the campus but after reading what Baby Ben did at that high school, I expect he deserved the reaction he got since he’s nothing but a childish little troll who likes to pick fights with college kids since his own college years were so miserable probably.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:25:32pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jesus H. Fucking Christ. It seems like shooting a bunch of people is becoming all the rage for anyone with an ax to grind, a burning desire for 15 minutes of fame, and no regard for their life or anyone else’s.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:26:09pm

re: #153 The Vicious Babushka

SAVE ARE FREEDUMBS!!!11!!!

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Just like the Freedom Riders, if the Freedom Riders had taken a Gray Line bus tour of Manhattan.

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Jay C  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:26:22pm

re: #152 gwangung

Please spread this message.

Any handy manure rake will do nicely…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:27:15pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:28:24pm

I got mixed up as I have two threads open trying to catch up a bit. I made a post in the last thread intending it for this thread…so here goes:

In response to this from freetoken

CNN had the temerity to run this headline:

At long last, the media move toward Trump

Leading the charge from behind.

“Go get ‘em boys…imma eat my Little Debbies cakes while you are at it!”

By the way, there seems to be talk the Republican candidates are going to lower the boom on TRUMP(r) tonight.

I expect the body count to be high.

I’m thinking I might be watching Kasich chicken out and refuse to attack Trump and then saying he is just rising above the rancor and being positive.

There will be blood!

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:29:47pm

re: #162 ObserverArt

Oh, that’s right, there’s a Republican debate on, isn’t there? It’ll probably be on the TV’s down in the bar. Maybe I should go down there, watch, and imbibe heavily. Too bad my boss already left town; we had a grand night of drinking last night.

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:31:12pm

re: #162 ObserverArt

It is definitely do or die time tonight for both Cruz and Rubio. My bet is that they continue to attack each other while mostly ignoring Trump, since neither of them wants to take the personal risk of being the first to jump on the Trump grenade.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:31:58pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:33:02pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ted Cruz handles a crisis just like he handles everything else in life. He becomes such a massive asshole that the resulting tidal forces threaten the structural integrity of nearby objects, such as the moon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:33:23pm

and Dana should be shrieking any minute now:

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:33:36pm

SMOTI IS ON IT LIKE FLIES ON SHIT

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:33:37pm

re: #141 Testy Toad T

Open up some popcorn. From TPM this evening, some quotes re: Trump’s lead from sitting GOP senators.

“Well, he has won the last three so yeah,” Sen. John Thune (R-SD) said when asked if he considers Trump the leader in the GOP primary.

.

“It’s a concern,” said Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ). Flake added that Trump’s Nevada victory made it impossible for him to brush Trump off now. “Let’s face it. That was a bigger win than we thought.”

.

“I think he is getting close,” admitted Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC).

.

“I’m stumped,” said Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)

.

“Everything I thought I knew about politics is out the window,” Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) said when asked to weigh in on Trump’s frontrunner status.

.

Damn…even the Great McCain is wimping out as they all are. Form now on the word “leader” in any form should never be attached to any of these idiots. Trump has plopped his big fat orange butt on all their heads and is going to remain sitting there.

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:36:20pm

re: #162 ObserverArt

Little Marco won’t. He’s afraid that Trump will eat him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:36:58pm

re: #170 Skip Intro

Little Marco won’t. He’s afraid that Trump will eat him.

LEADERSHIP!

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:37:18pm

re: #169 ObserverArt

Damn…even the Great McCain is wimping out as they all are. Form now on the word “leader” in any form should never be attached to any of these idiots. Trump has plopped his big fat orange butt on all their heads and is going to remain sitting there.

And we all know what these great GOP ‘leaders’ are going to be doing from that position a few months from now, when “falling in line to support the GOP nominee” season is upon us.

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:37:38pm

So, will this latest mass shooting make it into the debate tonight?

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:37:55pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, dear. The gun-fuckers are going to have an absolute heyday with this. Between the shrieking outrage over the inevitable demonization of semi-automatic rifles and the HURR DURR IF IT WASN’T A GUN-FREE ZONE SOME GOOD GUY WITH A GUN WOULD HAVE STOPPED IT bullshit, it’s going to be a long fucking weekend.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:37:57pm

Bernie now directly citing Greenwald’s Intercept.

Also, the entire premise is bullshit. If anything the opposite is true.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:38:31pm

Or are they?

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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:38:53pm

re: #173 freetoken

So, will this latest mass shooting make it into the debate tonight?

Of course not. Republicans have nothing to say about such things. The NRA has that contract, and their answer is always more guns.

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:39:04pm

re: #173 freetoken

So, will this latest mass shooting make it into the debate tonight?

If it does it will be the first not committed by Muslims.

So no, it won’t.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:39:21pm

re: #172 EPR-radar

And we all know what these great GOP ‘leaders’ are going to be doing from that position a few months from now, when “falling in line to support the GOP nominee” season is upon us.

You can say it…they will all be down there kissing that big fat orange Trump butt.

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:40:11pm

re: #176 De Kolta Chair

Did I read here that Trump was going to make Palin Cabinet Secretary of Liquor?

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:40:15pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

LEADERSHIP!

Supposedly, if one believes the various outlets like CNN, the Rubito camp today is still counselling their candidate to not take on Trump, as Trump’s supporters can’t be swayed.

Somehow these people overlook how that really comes off to the rest of the world.

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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:40:46pm

re: #116 EPR-radar

Neither point is foolish on its face, but the enthusiasm and turnout factor in particular is very hard to boil down into a number to plug into a model.

For example, much of this enthusiasm is hot wingnut on wingnut action which has already generated more substantial threats to GOP party unity than I’ve seen in years.

Point A is the one that really worries me. We have never had long stretches of time with one party continuously having the presidency in the US, with the exception of the FDR/Truman era. Sooner rather than later, if the past is any guide, it will be the Republicans’ turn whether or not they are collectively insane.

Perhaps the changing demographics of the presidential year electorate will put an end to this pattern, and I’d certainly be happy to see this happen.

Actually we have had long stretches of one party rule, but they were both in the 19th century, except for FDR/Truman. However that stretch ended because Ike decided to run as a Republican. If he had decided to run as a Democrat, it would’ve been a seven election run.

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freetoken  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:40:47pm

re: #180 Skip Intro

I see what you did there…

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MsJ  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:40:51pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

I’m sorry you’re not well. I hope you feel better soon.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:41:43pm

re: #180 Skip Intro

Did I read here that Trump was going to make Palin Cabinet Secretary of Liquor?

Todd is so excited at the prospect that they put him on Ritalin.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:41:46pm

I think this flu has slowed down my internet connection.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:41:57pm

Wife’s 16X20 ‘Bernie’ yard sign arrived today. By mail. From Greenville, OH.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:42:41pm

re: #177 EPR-radar

Of course not. Republicans have nothing to say about such things. The NRA has that contract, and their answer is always more guns.

Unless it was perpetrated by Muslims. Then, the answer is, 1) kill all Muslims, 2) more guns.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:43:58pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:44:48pm

He has no self awareness whatsoever

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:45:41pm

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

He has no self awareness whatsoever

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None of them do. It’s a prerequisite.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:46:44pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

I think this flu has slowed down my internet connection.

Didn’t have your anti-virus loaded…and this is the result!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:47:41pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:47:42pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:47:43pm

re: #182 Big Beautiful Door

Actually we have had long stretches of one party rule, but they were both in the 19th century, except for FDR/Truman. However that stretch ended because Ike decided to run as a Republican. If he had decided to run as a Democrat, it would’ve been a seven election run.

With hindsight, I think that was a big mistake by Ike. The Republicans hadn’t gone through the reforms they needed to make after the Great Depression, and the result was a veneer of civilization (e.g., Eisenhower Republicans) over the underlying John Birch society rot. That veneer of civilization has by now been completely discarded.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:48:17pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

I think this flu has slowed down my internet connection.

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:48:30pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shooter’s dead? So I assume he wasn’t a white guy.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:49:27pm

I’ve been meaning to post this image. Gus used to post it, and I am not sure if he created it and if this is the same image. But it sure speaks to all that is going on.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:49:41pm

re: #197 Skip Intro

Shooter’s dead? So I assume he wasn’t a white guy.

So maybe it will be in the debate tonight after all. Can’t resist an opportunity to talk about how non-white people are prone to violence.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:51:07pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

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Wait, I thought the GOP was scared of Bernie because he could beat any of their candidates. Why would they be going after Hillary in a way that would make his nomination more likely?

/////

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:51:32pm

re: #195 EPR-radar

With hindsight, I think that was a big mistake by Ike. The Republicans hadn’t gone through the reforms they needed to make after the Great Depression, and the result was a veneer of civilization (e.g., Eisenhower Republicans) over the underlying John Birch society rot. That veneer of civilization has by now been completely discarded.

Been downhill ever since Ike’s second term ended for the Republicans. Ford wasn’t so bad but Nixon, Reagan, and The Bushes…………

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:52:25pm

re: #199 thedopefishlives

So maybe it will be in the debate tonight after all. Can’t resist an opportunity to talk about how non-white people are prone to violence.

Just read a comment by some idiot that Excel industries is a pork processing plant (it is’t), so the shooter must have been a Muslim.

Trump voter for sure.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:53:31pm

re: #202 Skip Intro

Just read a comment by some idiot that Excel industries is a pork processing plant (it is’t), so the shooter must have been a Muslim.

Trump voter for sure.

God fucking dammit. I wish these people weren’t so utterly predictable.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:53:45pm

Cardboard cut-out technology has made great strides during my lifetime.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:54:07pm

re: #202 Skip Intro

Just read a comment by some idiot that Excel industries is a pork processing plant (it is’t), so the shooter must have been a Muslim.

Trump voter for sure.

They make lawn mowers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:54:10pm

re: #202 Skip Intro

Just read a comment by some idiot that Excel industries is a pork processing plant (it is’t), so the shooter must have been a Muslim.

Trump voter for sure.

Excel makes lawnmowers.

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:55:39pm

re: #204 De Kolta Chair

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 4:55:55pm

Next presser in about an hour. 3 hours.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:00:09pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:00:20pm

re: #204 De Kolta Chair

Cardboard cut-out technology has made great strides during my lifetime.

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And this one goes out to our Third-place Winner:

1961 single version: Don Shirley Trio - Water Boy (jazz instrumental)

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:01:58pm

No wonder Trump has such a wide lead: he’s by far the pinkest one.

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:01:58pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:02:09pm
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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:02:31pm

re: #212 Kragar

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Yeah, no. I, for one, can’t pour shots that fast.

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Targetpractice  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:02:32pm

re: #212 Kragar

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I don’t hate my liver that much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:03:01pm

re: #211 De Kolta Chair

Cruz’s nose looks very NSFW…

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:03:52pm

Fuck you two assholes very much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:05:00pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:05:15pm

re: #212 Kragar

A drinking game where there is no pause at all between drinks is hard core.

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:05:32pm
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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:05:56pm

re: #217 Skip Intro

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:06:55pm

re: #221 Kragar

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Can we talk about gun control now? No? GO FUCK YOURSELVES SIDEWAYS and come back when you’ve finally gotten enough sexual satisfaction from your guns and realized the truth.

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CleverToad  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:07:22pm

re: #64 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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*sniffling now* wishing him peace

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:07:26pm

re: #222 thedopefishlives

Can we talk about gun control now? No? GO FUCK YOURSELVES SIDEWAYS and come back when you’ve finally gotten enough sexual satisfaction from your guns and realized the truth.

too soon.
///

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:07:34pm

Warning: article has autoplay video.

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lockjawcanbefun  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:08:22pm

re: #212 Kragar

Prepare for a night of this:

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:08:28pm

I have a mystery for the lizards. I have an employee who is a bit overmatched by things, but we found a place for her to work and not cause too much harm. Anyway, she made a typo. Again it was in a spreadsheet all by itself and didn’t do any harm. But for the life of me I can’t figure out what the hell the damn thing is or how she did it! Here is a photo of the typo:

Typo, I don’t know why it’s lying sideways here

When I copy and paste the text in the cell, all I get is: œ1/2

So I don’t know what that characters on the right edge are. If I paste it in Google two things happen: If I do it straight from the cell, Google give me a list of coding error sites. If I paste the text (œ1/2) Google gives me Angstrom stuff (Angstrom is a very small unit of length - atomic scale). I’m saving a copy with the typo just because of the mystery and its uniqueness.

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:09:21pm

re: #222 thedopefishlives

Can we talk about gun control now? No? GO FUCK YOURSELVES SIDEWAYS and come back when you’ve finally gotten enough sexual satisfaction from your guns and realized the truth.

STOP TRYING TO POLITICIZE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:09:41pm

re: #224 Kragar

too soon.
///

It’s getting to the point where it’s always “too soon” because IT’S HAPPENING WAY TOO FUCKING OFTEN.

Ugh. Sorry. Inner filters must’ve gotten unlocked by killing the whiskey bottle last night.

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Jenner7  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:10:09pm
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Big Beautiful Door  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:10:32pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

It is definitely do or die time tonight for both Cruz and Rubio. My bet is that they continue to attack each other while mostly ignoring Trump, since neither of them wants to take the personal risk of being the first to jump on the Trump grenade.

Then they are idiots. I think they have to attack on this issue of trump using foreign workers. It probably won’t work, but they have to try something or they are both cooked.

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thedopefishlives  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:10:46pm

re: #227 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I have a mystery for the lizards. I have an employee who is a bit overmatched by things, but we found a place for her to work and not cause too much harm. Anyway, she made a typo. Again it was in a spreadsheet all by itself and didn’t do any harm. But for the life of me I can’t figure out what the hell the damn thing is or how she did it! Here is a photo of the typo:

[Embedded content]

When I copy and paste the text in the cell, all I get is: œ1/2

So I don’t know what that characters on the right edge are. If I paste it in Google two things happen: If I do it straight from the cell, Google give me a list of coding error sites. If I paste the text (œ1/2) Google gives me Angstrom stuff (Angstrom is a very small unit of length - atomic scale). I’m saving a copy with the typo just because of the mystery and its uniqueness.

Unicode problems, probably.

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Kragar  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:10:59pm

re: #226 lockjawcanbefun

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:11:26pm

Leads to the same article with autoplay video.

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Skip Intro  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:12:53pm

re: #217 Skip Intro

How “thoughts and prayers” Brownback is dealing with gun violence.

On April 22, 2014, Governor Sam Brownback signed HB 2578 the CLEO Shall Sign and Comprehensive Preemption legislation. These new laws went into effect on July 1, 2014. Effective on that date there will no longer be any local control of firearms. All current local firearms ordinances are null and void and all firearms laws are uniform statewide. The bill:

Prohibits any city or county from expending funds derived from the proceeds of implementing, administering or operating a firearms buyback program.
Preempts any and all local control of firearms and ammunition. No city or county or agent of such will be able to adopt any ordinance, resolution or regulation or take any administrative action governing the purchase, transfer, ownership, storage, carrying on one’s person or transporting firearms or ammunition or any component or combination thereof.
No city or county or agent of such will be able to adopt any ordinance, resolution or regulation relating to the sale of a firearm by an individual who holds a federal firearms license that is more restrictive than any ordinance or regulation relating to the sale of any other commercial good.
Clarifies that no municipality can enact any ordinance, resolution, regulation or tax relating to the transportation, possession, carrying, sale, transfer, purchase, gift, devise, licensing, registration or use of a knife or knife making components. Nullifies all existing past ordinances and prohibits future ones.
Prohibits the destruction of seized firearms once they are no longer needed as evidence. They may be traded with other departments and KBI, sold or traded to licensed firearms dealers, used for testing or comparison by the forensics laboratory or given to the Kansas Department of Wildlife Parks and Tourism for use in Hunter Education programs. Payments for transfers will be credited to the asset seizure and forfeiture fund of the seizing agency.
If a weapon is seized from an individual and they are not convicted or adjudicated of a crime that prevents firearms ownership, it shall be verified it is not stolen and upon verification returned to the individual from whom it was seized within 30 days.
Cleans up the Knife Act from 2013 providing intended prohibition of enforcement of local ordinances passed prior to July 1, 2013 and addresses possession of knives by convicted felons. While daggers, dirks, dangerous knives, straight-edged razors, and stilettos are added back in to the law it is with an express intent and caveat that they are only prohibited for use with the intent to use it against another person unlawfully.
Prohibits municipalities from requiring disclosure or making a record of concealed carry permits. Cities and counties are permitted to adopt ordinances, resolutions, or regulations relative to the personnel policies governing concealed carry of handguns by city or county employees, so long as in compliance with this law. The bill requires any such records created by a municipality before the effective date of the bill be destroyed by July 31, 2014.
Requires that certification by a chief law enforcement officer (CLEO), when a sign off is required for the transfer of a firearm or other item regulated by the National Firearms Act (“NFA”), be provided within fifteen days as long as the applicant is not prohibited by law from receiving the firearm or other item.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:20:52pm

Senator Sanders sounding very naive about his “revolution” right now.

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Schroedinger's Dog  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:22:50pm

So last night I stayed late at work to get some stuff done on the project I’m working on, and my manager came by and spent a good half hour venting at me about his frustrations with the project. He ended by saying “we don’t have all of the apps we can smoke test tested by the end of March, you’re terminated.” This is the guy who has issued veiled threats to fire somebody every few months since I’ve gotten there, usually to me, since I’m the contractor and am the most vulnerable to being fired at a moments notice.

I’ve laughed them off as empty threats up until now since he’s never put a time line on them before, and he’s never actually uttered the “T” word.

The aggravating part is that I’ve been recognized as a key contributor for the last two projects and the business is very happy with the work I’m doing, it’s just this jerk who is feeling anxious and feels like he has to take it out on somebody. So I called my consulting company and told them I’m actively looking and updated my resume on Dice and Careerbuilder. Tomorrow I’ll start making more calls to recruiters and emailing out to the other recruiters I work with. I’m just done.

Thanks for letting me vent.

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TedStriker  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:29:37pm

re: #229 thedopefishlives

It’s getting to the point where it’s always “too soon” because IT’S HAPPENING WAY TOO FUCKING OFTEN.

Ugh. Sorry. Inner filters must’ve gotten unlocked by killing the whiskey bottle last night.

I’m sure that, in some RWNJ gun nuts’ view, this is a feature, not a bug, because a few gun deaths (almost every single day) are a small price (for them) for FREEDUMB!!!

Damn, I feel sick just channeling and typing that.

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BeachDem  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:32:54pm

Wow—I have some serious catching up to do here, folks. But just got back from the Hillary GOTV rally. Woman is amazing—don’t know how she does it. The photo somebody took of her with me didn’t come out (of course) but I got several good shots—front row, baby.

After she talked, she went around the room shaking hands, taking photos with anyone who asked (the woman is a selfie queen!) and talking to everyone. There were about 500 in the room, and probably another 4-500 outside—they only had one scanner thingy, so many didn’t make it in time. Not bad for an event they put together less than 2 days ago.

A few of my pics:


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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:41:01pm

re: #227 SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN

I have a mystery for the lizards. I have an employee who is a bit overmatched by things, but we found a place for her to work and not cause too much harm. Anyway, she made a typo. Again it was in a spreadsheet all by itself and didn’t do any harm. But for the life of me I can’t figure out what the hell the damn thing is or how she did it! Here is a photo of the typo:

[Embedded content]

When I copy and paste the text in the cell, all I get is: œ1/2

So I don’t know what that characters on the right edge are. If I paste it in Google two things happen: If I do it straight from the cell, Google give me a list of coding error sites. If I paste the text (œ1/2) Google gives me Angstrom stuff (Angstrom is a very small unit of length - atomic scale). I’m saving a copy with the typo just because of the mystery and its uniqueness.

Open the spreadsheet, click on the column and select Format/Automatic Column Width

When the column width isn’t enough for the contents it can condense in weird ways.

Next, check the data type: numeric, alpha, formula, etc.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate RN  Feb 25, 2016 • 5:54:37pm

re: #240 The Vicious Babushka

Very interesting. I’ll give it a try tomorrow.


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