Vice-Presidential Debate, Thread 2
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A second thread to discuss the vice-presidential debate, as it draws to a close.
291 comments
“I try to spend a little time on my knees everyday.”
Wait, I thought Pence was supposed to be anti gay?— Dave Rubin (@RubinReport) October 5, 2016
abortion exchange really rattled pence
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) October 5, 2016
“You whipped out that Mexican thing again.” Holy fuck, Pence. The ARCHER writer’s room just exploded. #VPDebate
— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) October 5, 2016
Kaine is hitting Trump/Pence hard on their women’s rights issues - abortion and moral issues.
Women must be able to make their own choices.
I can’t believe how much I’ve had to drink to make this tolerable. I haven’t been this fucked up since the day I got orders to leave Iraq
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) October 5, 2016
re: #7 Targetpractice
Oh FFS, “How will you unify the country?”
Pence: “I won’t. I’ll just deport anyone who disagrees with me. Next question!”
How many abortions has @realDonaldTrump paid for? He’s pro-life like I’m anti-skiing. #debates
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 5, 2016
re: #1 teleskiguy
My mind went to the gutter too!
Trump pretty clearly will be surrounded by people *like Mike Pence*. Meaning a Trump administration will pursue Pence policies.
— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 5, 2016
Aides are busily telling Trump which one Pence is.
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) October 5, 2016
re: #1 teleskiguy
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Nah, he’s not gay, he’s on his knees kissing Trump’s ass with excuses.
All the “Pence is winning except when he has to defend Trump” commentary is basically the Lincolns and the play at Ford’s Theater.
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 5, 2016
The whole time Pence talked about fetus dignity not once did he say the word “woman”.
Kaine: Trust women to make their own decisions.
Pence: Nah.— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) October 5, 2016
Please, women, save the country.
re: #4 lawhawk
Kaine is hitting Trump/Pence hard on their women’s rights issues - abortion and moral issues.
Women must be able to make their own choices.
As he should. The women are really going to be the big deciders in this race.
“How will you unify the nation?”
“Let me slag my opponent some more.”
“Senator, you’ve whipped out that Mexican thing again” is now my all-time favorite debate line #VPDebate
— J.A. Adande (@jadande) October 5, 2016
re: #16 b.d.
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My Braves were a playoff-caliber team if you ignore April through August.
That last exchange just left Pence in a little heap of misogynist goo on the floor. That’s going to be the gold standard for ads coming out of this.
Heckuva job, Mikey
Tim Kaine scored big in that exchange on abortion rights, and Mike Pence was seriously rattled. https://t.co/hwg8NEEp9E pic.twitter.com/FTrZeWToT7
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 5, 2016
So tonight we basically got Tim Kaine coming off as an excitable school kid during his first debate versus Mike Pence talking about his running mate “Gene Eric Republican.”
Over and over, Mike Pence sat there shaking his head as Tim Kaine quoted Trump’s words verbatim https://t.co/hwg8NEEp9E pic.twitter.com/vZsPJUYkUN
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 5, 2016
Supposition:
Mike Pence is trying to convey the idea that he’s going to have Trump on a leash.
re: #17 allegro
The whole time Pence talked about fetus dignity not once did he say the word “woman”.
Chuck Todd has a stopped-clock moment, praising Kaine for keeping Pence on the ropes “even if some will disagree with his style.”
I didn’t watch the debate. I listened to it on Sirius. Frankly, it sounded like Kaine pummeled Pence. But I fully expect the corporate press to spin this as a major Pence victory.
Chuck Todd starts talking. That’s my cue to close the YouTube live stream window.
re: #30 The Ghost of a Flea
Supposition:
Mike Pence is trying to convey the idea that he’s going to have Trump on a leash.
That seemed to be the the long and short of Pence’s strategy tonight: “Vote for a Trump/Pence ticket because I’m the guy who’ll really be in charge.”
re: #32 ipsos
Chuck Todd has a stopped-clock moment, praising Kaine for keeping Pence on the ropes “even if some will disagree with his style.”
Chuck Todd exemplifies the ancient idea that even a stopped clock is right twice a year.
Has there ever been a debate where the VP nominee simply abandoned the policies of the top of the ticket and advocated a different platform?
— Adam Jentleson (@AJentleson) October 5, 2016
Blind Squirrel
Kaine strategy—lose debate but quote Trump a lot; Pence strategy—win debate but don’t defend Trump
— Rich Lowry (@RichLowry) October 5, 2016
re: #36 plansbandc
“Defending the unborn” is an extremely expansive concept.
Thank God it’s over.
Instant analysis: unfortunately, a draw.
Kaine was marginally better on policy - when he bothered to articulate it - otherwise mostly canned talking points. Pence looked OK (even if most of what he said was entirely canned talking points).
Mike’s big problem, though, is just like his running mate’s: a running litany of “he didn’t say that” when video evidence of Trump saying exactly “that” - or worse is readily available.
For now that seems to be what the media is chewing over …
Bottom line, IMO: no loss, but a blown opportunity.
Now I want to meet the Trump from Earth 2 that Pence was describing.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) October 5, 2016
When Pence was in Congress, he voted for a bill blocking immigrants from getting hospital care or riding in an ambulance #ThatMexicanThing
— Latino Decisions (@LatinoDecisions) October 5, 2016
According to electionbettingodds.com, Hillary added 5% to her chance of winning during her 90-minute televised dissection of Trumpy Dumpy. By contrast, during tonight’s debate, Hillary gained 0.5% and Trump was unchanged (which is basically noise).
Bleh. This debate was thoroughly set-your-teeth-on-edge aggravating to watch. On the one hand, Kaine interrupting didn’t look good, but on the other - what else can you do when confronted with a smooth, never-ending gish gallop? Pence acted exactly like Romney back in that infamous 2012 debate, when everyone slagged Obama for essentially being “low energy.”
So…I don’t know. If it’s a choice between interrupting the gish gallop and taking the risk of looking angry vs not interrupting and looking as if you aren’t confronting the lies…I honestly don’t know what one is supposed to do.
The real take-away from this debate is that Mike Pence declined at every turn to defend Trump’s actual stated policies. Instead, he … /1
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 5, 2016
snickered, and smirked, and pretended Kaine was just making it up as Kaine quoted Trump’s actual words. /2
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 5, 2016
How do you declare someone the winner who literally lied every time he opened his mouth, couldn’t defend his running-mate?
— Karoli (@Karoli) October 5, 2016
re: #29 Charles Johnson
Charles Johnson ✔ @Green_Footballs
Over and over, Mike Pence sat there shaking his head as Tim Kaine quoted Trump’s words verbatim lgf.bz
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I don’t know if that was denial that Trump was being quoted or denial he has to defend the Trump quotes. Sometimes people shake their head no in a positive negative manner…like oh no I can’t believe I am being put in this untenable position.
I missed this Twitter account. LOL.
Pencedejo no quiere el Mexican thingo whipped outo. Feelingo inadequate?
— Miguel Bloombito (@ElBloombito) October 5, 2016
Savannah Guthrie coins (and tries to slam Kellyanne with) the term “Pence Pivot.”
C’mon, folks. Let’s make #pencepivot a thing. Especially when he’s on his knees taking it from the Mexicans.
re: #53 ipsos
Savannah Guthrie coins (and tries to slam Kellyanne with) the term “Pence Pivot.”
C’mon, folks. Let’s make #pencepivot a thing. Especially when he’s on his knees taking it from the Mexicans.
To quote Annie Lennox, “Stop what you’re doing, get down upon your knees, I’ve a message for you that you’d better believe…”
No, seriously, Mike Pence is basically running for VP on a platform of “I’ll be the actual president.”
That’s my takeaway.
It’s obvious that Pence knows he won’t be VP. The only way he could defend Trump was with “He didn’t say that”. And everything Kaine claimed Trump said is on video or in transcripts.
He spent the debate laying groundwork for his presidential run in 2020.
Pence wins on style.
Kaine kept swinging on attacks and didn’t sustain focus enough to connect until the end.
However, Kaine’s attempts were making Pence flail on defending Trump and that is going to show up in ads.
Tactical Trump/Pence victory.
Strategic Clinton/Kaine victory.
Basically, the Battle of Jutland.
re: #57 GlutenFreeJesus
It’s obvious that Pence knows he won’t be VP. The only way he could defend Trump was with “He didn’t say that”. And everything Kaine claimed Trump said is on video or in transcripts.
He spent the debate laying groundwork for his presidential run in 2020.
Again, on November 9, he’s gonna be an unperson in the GOP. How can he not know this?
@realDonaldTrump
Awesome. Do “Hillary wants to have sex with her daughter” next.— (((gocart mozart))) (@gocartmozart1) October 5, 2016
I’ll chalk tonight’s debate as a Pyrrhic victory for Pence. He “won” but Kaine did a good job of putting him on the defensive about Trump’s comments.
LOL!
You guys, is Grover Norquist okay? Can someone go check on him? https://t.co/SpK6FEuilW#VPdebate
— Arshad Hasan (@ArshadHasan) October 5, 2016
Okay. Guys.
We are one hour into this “debate” and neither candidate has mentioned the Obama/Clinton/FDA war on Vaping.
Focus gentlemen.— Grover Norquist (@GroverNorquist) October 5, 2016
re: #47 jaunte
They declared Romney the winner when he basically went against everything he’d said in the campaign. (first debate with POTUS)
Media doesn’t give a rat’s ass whether or not the debater says anything that’s true or anything close to what they’ve campaigned on. It’s whether or not the debater forcefully makes his points, or looks Presidential, whatever the hell that means on any given day.
Horse race above all. I loathe the media.
Did Kaine mention that Trump’s foundation was order to stop soliciting donations in NY and submit required docs for audit?
Pence is giving the country a very good preview of how the Republican Party is going to move beyond Trump. Just pretend he never happened.
— Alec MacGillis (@AlecMacGillis) October 5, 2016
Just like that 2012 RNC “Autopsy.”
talkingpointsmemo.com
Pence: I’ll defend anything Trump said
Kaine: OK, go for it
Pence: He didn’t say any of the stuff he said. See? Done.— Alex Sherman (@sherman4949) October 5, 2016
re: #65 jaunte
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Just like that 2012 RNC “Autopsy.”
talkingpointsmemo.com
We can’t let them get away with that. They need to be tied to Trump.
re: #62 MsJ
Oh, that’s been Grover’s thing for awhile.
I really wish my relatives in Indiana had a half-hour of TV time tonight to offer a rebuttal to the image Pence tried to present of his leadership there.
I can see HRC opening up a nice line in “Even Mike Pence doesn’t defend what Donald Trump said….” at the next debate. That ought to get the Orange Bowel Movement bubbling nicely.
Pence said “No, No, No” more times than Cleveland Brown does in a year of Family Guy episodes.
This is going to become the story:
Seth Masket 10:40 PM
There are two main takeaways. One is that Kaine came off overly aggressive and seemed too eager to get in his memorized talking points. The other is that Pence happily and calmly defended a version of his running mate that doesn’t exist. In Pence’s telling, Trump would be tough on Putin, would never support prosecuting women for having abortions, uses his family charity solely for charitable purposes, etc. And when called on these discrepancies, Pence simply said that Trump isn’t a polished candidate so sometimes says things he doesn’t mean.
re: #64 philosophus invidius
Did Kaine mention that Trump’s foundation was order to stop soliciting donations in NY and submit required docs for audit?
I was surprised he didn’t mention that.
The winner was my liver—because I didn’t watch it, I didn’t feel compelled to down a bottle of wine.
Talking heads on MSNBC setting this up that Pence is going to be tied to all those things that Trump said.
re: #58 Scottishdragon
Pence wins on style.
Kaine kept swinging on attacks and didn’t sustain focus enough to connect until the end.
However, Kaine’s attempts were making Pence flail on defending Trump and that is going to show up in ads.
Tactical Trump/Pence victory.
Strategic Clinton/Kaine victory.
Basically, the Battle of Jutland.
Pretty hard to sustain focus in such a rambling style of debate. The moderator failed to clearly mark the boundaries.
I think this debate will fall more toward Kaine as it is broken down over the week. Then Hillary will lash onto the bullshit and whap Trump upside the head with Pence protecting Trump and Trump will get pissed about it all and go off again.
I can already tell I’m going to be very much at odds with the media on this one, because I think Tim Kaine won this debate decisively.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 5, 2016
re: #75 Scottishdragon
Talking heads on MSNBC setting this up that Pence is going to be tied to all those things that Trump said.
That seems like it’s going to be the narrative.
How can Pence spend so much time talking about the depth of his faith after provably lying (there’s video!) for an hour? #VPDebate
— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) October 5, 2016
re: #68 The Ghost of a Flea
Seriously? He wasn’t joking?
re: #64 philosophus invidius
Did Kaine mention that Trump’s foundation was order to stop soliciting donations in NY and submit required docs for audit?
Yes…but in as much detail as he had time.
re: #77 Charles Johnson
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I think Pence “won” only if you had the sound turned off. If you actually listened to him, you quickly realize he’s comfortable with lying his ass off.
re: #77 Charles Johnson
This media isn’t like the media of the 1950s and 1960s where real newspeople plied their craft. What we have today is entertainers pretending to be journalists.
CNN
“The fact checking avalanche is about to fall on Mike Pence”
CNN
Pence threw Trump under the bus because he is running in 2020
re: #72 Scottishdragon
This is post-truth horseshit at its most bald.
What was actually said doesn’t matter, because there’s no standard of veracity, there’s only a calculation of what needs to be true right now, for maximum advantage.
If they win, all this stuff being spun out will become true. If they lose, they’ll adjust it just enough to sell some kind of rigged/underdog narrative. I can’t wait to see how they re-frame Trump.
I don’t think Pence was statesmanlike at all. He positively reeks of the smarmy false sincerity you see from fundamentalist preachers.
Carville is right, Pence will help the sin-profiteer Trump with that crowd.
ok i missed the whole party but really? this is true?
GOP posts results from VP Debate… hours before the debate actually occurs.
Here’s Pence saying Putin is a stronger leader for Russia than Obama is for the U.S. https://t.co/LhRBCt5nYo
— Gideon Resnick (@GideonResnick) October 5, 2016
re: #79 MsJ
@MsJoanne Lying for Jesus is a proud tradition on the right. Trump is pro-forced-birth, and that’s all that matters to Pence.
— (((Jeff Furling))) (@FurlingtonJeff) October 5, 2016
This is probably also why Trump’s support is where it is. There are a lot of one-issue pro-forced-birth voters.
re: #38 Lidane
If Johnson had made his poll numbers, Weld would have also disavowed his running mate! He’s doing that now.
re: #73 Scottishdragon
I was surprised he didn’t mention that.
He did…but briefly before Pence tried to gallop over it with Clinton Foundation BS. It must have slipped by you.
I think Kaine did an excellent job of showing us who Trump is. Pence acted like he’s never heard of Trump, from the way he reacted. Pence helped himself, not Trump.
Jeffrey Lord and vacuous blonde woman on CNN having a conniption….
re: #85 Scottishdragon
CNN
That’s MSNBC’s take on it as well — they just said the big loser tonight was Ted Cruz, that Pence is now leader of the Republicans’ religious faction.
re: #95 Jenner7
I think Kaine did an excellent job of showing us who Trump is. Pence acted like he’s never heard of Trump, from the way he reacted. Pence helped himself, not Trump.
Kaine’s pretty much the only running mate who understands his job. Of course, the same is true of Hillary.
Right wing “humor”, example #1,516,873
“I want to be @HillaryClinton’s right hand person.” Is @TimKaine transitioning into Tina Kaine? Bounty idea? #CryingKaine #CoKaine
— WeSearchr (@wesearchr) October 5, 2016
I noticed that Pence, whenever confronted with a position or policy Trump has advocated, insisted upon telling us that “a Trump/Pence ticket” would not actually follow that. Not “Trump will not,” but “a Trump/Pence ticket.” You could not have more clearly telegraphed that Pence thinks he’s the one who’s running for the White House.
i cant embed a tweet:
Adam Jentleson @AJentleson
The disloyalty Pence demonstrated was astounding.
He defended Trump on nothing.
He created his own platform and defended it instead.
10:39 PM - 4 Oct 2016
re: #97 sagehen
That’s MSNBC’s take on it as well — they just said the big loser tonight was Ted Cruz, that Pence is now leader of the Republicans’ religious faction.
The media take on this is shaping up right now and it is not in Trump’s favor.
Pence wins…by fucking over his running mate.
Cuba has weakened Matthew…by 10 mph. It’s windspeeds are now 130 mph, but still a Category 4.
This debate is going to be forgotten in a hurry.
re: #100 Targetpractice
I noticed that Pence, whenever confronted with a position or policy Trump has advocated, insisted upon telling us that “a Trump/Pence ticket” would not actually follow that. Not “Trump will not,” but “a Trump/Pence ticket.” You could not have more clearly telegraphed that Pence thinks he’s the one who’s running for the White House.
Maybe it is true. He may be running for VP so he can run the White House.
Trump will be out doing the cock walk strut and crowing he is the man.
Is this the first Three vs. One presidential election?
re: #104 Ziggy_TARDIS
Cuba has weakened Matthew…by 10 mph. It’s windspeeds are now 130 mph, but still a Category 4.
This debate is going to be forgotten in a hurry.
And paying a visit to Jacksonville on Friday night.
re: #104 Ziggy_TARDIS
Cuba has weakened Matthew…by 10 mph. It’s windspeeds are now 130 mph, but still a Category 4.
This debate is going to be forgotten in a hurry.
cuba weakens hurricane
thanks obama
re: #99 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Right wing “humor”, example #1,516,873
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Thought we needed a bounty on @TimKaine but apparently #CryingKaine is so bad he makes a scandal out of himself. Sad! #VPDebate
— WeSearchr (@wesearchr) October 5, 2016
When the Clintons get their hands on him after this performance, we may need a bounty to find Tim Kaine’s body https://t.co/avThrz3zZk
— zaijian 🐸 (@zaijian) October 5, 2016
Good point! We’ll need a bounty to find @TimKaine’s body after he shoots himself twice in the back of the head after this #VPDebate… https://t.co/amBBcNZWKS
— WeSearchr (@wesearchr) October 5, 2016
re: #104 Ziggy_TARDIS
Cuba has weakened Matthew…by 10 mph. It’s windspeeds are now 130 mph, but still a Category 4.
This debate is going to be forgotten in a hurry.
Problem is once it gets back over the warm waters there is a good chance it will gain fuel and pick up intensity. I sure hope not for the coast folks sake. I hope it turns out to sea.
re: #109 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
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So funny. Not.
We’re going to see the Clinton campaign make good use of Pence’s denials and lies about Trump’s verbatim statements in the days to come.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 5, 2016
Well, I made myself a wonderful chocolate protein (whey peptide, of course) shake, included some half-and-half for extra richness, with extra cocoa (the Ghirardelli can be had from Amazon at a decent price though I bought my latest from the local grocery store at a great sale price) so I skipped the last half of the “debate”.
Life is better that way.
re: #101 dangerman
“He created his own platform and defended it instead.”
I’m now wondering whether the Trumpinistas noticed this, and if they did, if they’ll vilify Pence for doing it because, you know, Trump says the things they want to hear, and how dare Pence not defend that and Trump! Inquiring minds want to know.
re: #114 majii
The Drumpfskind followers on my Facebook wall are now linking to WND and such, attacking Bill Clinton.
That’s all they have left.
re: #114 majii
“He created his own platform and defended it instead.”
I’m now wondering whether the Trumpinistas noticed this, and if they did, if they’ll vilify Pence for doing it because, you know, Trump says the things they want to hear, and how dare Pence not defend that and Trump! Inquiring minds want to know.
itll depend on how much they can quell the cognitive dissonance between trumps and pence’s positions and claim they are in fact the same
re: #114 majii
“He created his own platform and defended it instead.”
I’m now wondering whether the Trumpinistas noticed this, and if they did, if they’ll vilify Pence for doing it because, you know, Trump says the things they want to hear, and how dare Pence not defend that and Trump! Inquiring minds want to know.
There was no real choice for Pence is he wanted a political future after next month. Defend Trump and own his failure. Write your own platform and basically be accused of throwing your “boss” under the bus. Pence took the politically expedient route, just as most of the GOP will do two months from now.
Pence Denies Existence Of Trump
affirms a trump could not exist in a universe ruled by a merciful god
Heh—just as Eric Trump came on the screen at CNN, my cable bugged out and said “please wait…”
I took it as a sign—to turn the fucking TV off.
CNN Focus Group: @TimKaine is clear winner. #VPDebate pic.twitter.com/luGCmpAOEp
— Brandon English (@brandonenglish) October 5, 2016
Holy shit.
#VPDebate moderator @Elaine_Quijano can be discredited for bias after the #debate too folks… FUND IT NOW: https://t.co/41mBHUphoK pic.twitter.com/15nvHNiFPm
— WeSearchr (@wesearchr) October 5, 2016
re: #116 dangerman
itll depend on how much they can quell the cognitive dissonance between trumps and pence’s positions and claim they are in fact the same
They will let Trump spray the cognitive dissonance across their faces and ride eternal, shiny and chrome.
iTunes is now inserting Drumpfksind commercials in some of my downloaded podacsts. WTF?? Usually the ads are for generic local (San Diego - iTunes can tell from my IP address where my computer is located) car dealers, etc.
Let’s get this going so trump sees it.
Mike Pence just shit in every single thing @realdonaldtrump has ever said. What a burn!
— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) October 5, 2016
Hey…I just realized I have climbed over the 50,000 upding mark.
Thanks Lizards!
And with that…time to watch the end of an extra inning ball game and get politics out of my head so I can sleep.
I think as time goes on…Kaine will be seen as having done well. Fact checkers do your jobs. It’s all out there.
re: #123 jaunte
They will let Trump spray the cognitive dissonance across their faces and ride eternal, shiny and chrome.
Kaine: “What about this thing Trump said on live television to 85 million people?”
Pence: pic.twitter.com/EeIE1rxHao— Jamelle Bouie (@jbouie) October 5, 2016
WeSearchr is really digging deeper into the latrine of derp.
BOOM: 39% DONE with our mission to fly a @BillClinton sex victim to the next #debate! FUND IT NOW: https://t.co/A9hSs449oB #VPDebate
— WeSearchr (@wesearchr) October 5, 2016
re: #123 jaunte
They will let Trump spray the cognitive dissonance across their faces and ride eternal, shiny and chrome.
“I derp! I die! I derp again!”
Before The Cock Crows Ye Shall Deny Trump
Thrice
o ye of little pence!
re: #125 MsJ
Let’s get this going so trump sees it.
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re: #116 dangerman
itll depend on how much they can quell the cognitive dissonance between trumps and pence’s positions and claim they are in fact the same
or not
“Uh…uh…you whipped out that Mexican thing again” - Mike Pence #VPdebate #thatmexicanthing https://t.co/VPWPeKhJrj
— Juan Escalante (@JuanSaaa) October 5, 2016
Eric Trump is now saying his father pays federal income taxes, which is something his campaign has never said.
— Chris Megerian (@ChrisMegerian) October 5, 2016
Prove it.
Sad thing for Pence is he might have benefited from a competent moderator who actually exercised some measure of control over the debate.
2016 is a really special time, you guys. pic.twitter.com/aQN3vPNuOA
— Libby Hill (@midwestspitfire) October 5, 2016
re: #135 Jenner7
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Prove it.
his own personal individual federal income taxes?
paid in and stayed in?
yeah - prove it
re: #129 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
“WeSearchr is really digging deeper into the latrine of derp.”
What is wrong with these people? Bill Clinton isn’t running for POTUS. Sh*t like what they’re thinking of doing can backfire on them BIG time, but they’re too stupid to realize it. If they pull this off, and and MSM begins writing about Trump, Gingrich, and Giuliani’s affairs and multiple marriages, they’ll descend into madness the same way O’Reilly has. O’Reilly wants Chuck Todd to apologize to Giuliani for telling the truth about him.
Matthew is still hanging out on the east end of Cuba:
“I haven’t been to Russia in 6, 7 years” - Eric Trump
— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) October 5, 2016
Eric Trump is probably my least favorite character from “Twilight”. #VPDebate
— Gabe Ortíz (@TUSK81) October 5, 2016
re: #142 jaunte
Have you noticed how similarly the Drumpf boys look like Putin and not Drumpf?
Just wondering….
re: #118 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸
Pence Denies Existence Of Trump
affirms a trump could not exist in a universe ruled by a merciful god
This has been my position all along.
(Substitute Chucksie Floorshitter Johnson for trump, also)
re: #142 jaunte
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He certainly has all the emotional range of a plank of wood…, oh wait, that was Kristen Stewart.
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Eric Trump denying Russian ties. “If you want want to know if we have assets in Russia, go look to see if our name’s on a building there.”
— Nick Riccardi (@NickRiccardi) October 5, 2016
Nah, receipts please.
There sure are a lot of defensive responses coming from the Right about a debate they said Pence won hours ago. I’m thinking the purpose of this overwhelming response has everything to do with Pence “going rogue” in tonight’s debate and pretending he’s not running on the ticket with the vulgar talking yam.
Seems like Pence forgot a lot of the things Trump has been saying throughout his campaign! Here to help: https://t.co/NLPH8sbAGn #VPDebate
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) October 5, 2016
Hunter’s headline:
Vice presidential debate reactions: We don’t know who won, but we’re pretty sure Trump lost
re: #140 freetoken
Matthew is still hanging out on the east end of Cuba:
The uncertainty is a grind. Out here on Tybee Island my housemate and I are evacuating Thursday to her boyfriend’s home further inland. On the other hand, today at the grocery store, at 2 PM the beer was sold out (people buying up for hurricane parties), but there was still water for sale.
The city government’s word on evacuation will come tomorrow, but we’re not taking chances, as the main road to the island will be flooded over on Friday. So, if we don’t get inland by then, we wouldn’t be able to anyway.
Really hoping this thing grinds itself out over Florida swamp or out to sea. I just moved here, I’d rather not have the place be wiped out before I even unpacked. I really don’t want to lose my motorcycles. :/
re: #147 Jenner7
Deflection. The Russian oligarchs have their money in Trump projects not necessarily in Russia.
re: #139 majii
“WeSearchr is really digging deeper into the latrine of derp.”
What is wrong with these people? Bill Clinton isn’t running for POTUS. Sh*t like what they’re thinking of doing can backfire on them BIG time, but they’re too stupid to realize it. If they pull this off, and and MSM begins writing about Trump, Gingrich, and Giuliani’s affairs and multiple marriages, they’ll descend into madness the same way O’Reilly has. O’Reilly wants Chuck Todd to apologize to Giuliani for telling the truth about him.
Tactics vs. strategy. You’re expecting Rage Furby and Pax to understand the difference. They just assume that putting one of Bill’s paramours in front of Hillary will turn her into a quivering pile of Jello on national TV.
Trump would be more likely to have a meltdown if someone rounded up both former spouses and his paramours and put them within his field of vision, especially if each spent the time texting on her phone.
What’ll be hilarious will be the inevitable attacks on the moderator by wingnuts, seeing as how she basically just let the two of them run over each other and her.
re: #151 Pawn of the Oppressor
The uncertainty is a grind. Out here on Tybee Island my housemate and I are evacuating Thursday to her boyfriend’s home further inland. On the other hand, today at the grocery store, at 2 PM the beer was sold out (people buying up for hurricane parties), but there was still water for sale.
The city government’s word on evacuation will come tomorrow, but we’re not taking chances, as the main road to the island will be flooded over on Friday. So, if we don’t get inland by then, we wouldn’t be able to anyway.
Really hoping this thing grinds itself out over Florida swamp or out to sea. I just moved here, I’d rather not have the place be wiped out before I even unpacked. I really don’t want to lose my motorcycles. :/
We used to live 50 yards from the Glynn Marshes in Brunswick just south of you. Our evacuation code was the same as for Jekyl and St Simon’s Islands. We used to joke that if a hurricane came through, the alligators were going to move in and start charging us rent…
I’m betting more Americans are aware of Schwarzenegger taking his son Joseph Baena to Octoberfest and posting the pictures, than anything that Pence or Kaine said in the 90 minutes of fame.
Lot of mentions that Pence has not been hit on his extreme anti GLBT views.
re: #158 dangerman
aaaaand, we’re upgraded to a hurricane warning
Got an email a bit ago that the re-enactment event in Williamsburg has been cancelled this weekend.
re: #155 Eclectic Cyborg
Why the downding Happywarrior?
A brief dip into Nazi-frog twitter shows them furious at Pence for the Russia stuff.
— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) October 5, 2016
So Nazi-frog twitter is now an official thing. Sigh.
Create your own slogan with the LGF Trump Bumper Sticker Generator! https://t.co/NnUIdwwCCm via @Green_Footballs pic.twitter.com/91LjFA2RIC
— (((gocart mozart))) (@gocartmozart1) October 5, 2016
Getting back to the last question of the debate for a moment…
Jesus, Pence…lots of people experiment with Christ in college, but they grow out of it. #VPDebate
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 5, 2016
re: #151 Pawn of the Oppressor
Really hoping this thing grinds itself out over Florida swamp or out to sea. I just moved here, I’d rather not have the place be wiped out before I even unpacked. I really don’t want to lose my motorcycles. :/
watcha got?
re: #163 gocart mozart
Pence brought a taquito to a chimichanga fight.
re: #29 Charles Johnson
Yeah, I thought Kaine should have said, “I see you agree with me, Governor. The things your running mate says are pretty awful, aren’t they?
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— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 5, 2016
Fun fact: if you go to thatmexicanthing.com, you end up at hillaryclinton.com.
I live in a Hurricane zone too. Fortunately Matthew is sparing us but well wishes going out to everyone in the line of fire.
This hole is the vice president of Mars. pic.twitter.com/FW9mkO7zj7
— SarcasticRover (@SarcasticRover) October 5, 2016
re: #170 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Fun fact: if you go to thatmexicanthing.com, you end up at hillaryclinton.com.
Damn they jumped on that fast.
RT @freeandclear1: Tim Kaine: Virginia named best managed state,best for business while he was gov https://t.co/zSRkrQsrgX via @PolitiFactVA
— Dr Kelly Sennholz (@MtnMD) October 5, 2016
The Atlantic also running front page story on Pence unable to defend Trump and flatly denying things Trump said.
GOP dot com still doesn’t have their debate assessment…funny…they had it up before the debate.
re: #173 Eclectic Cyborg
Damn they jumped on that fast.
Hillary has sharp people on her social media staff.
Blue Jays win with a walk off homer! Sorry off topic. :D
After an hour or so to digest, I am of the cautious opinion that Kaine had some room for improvement tonight, stylistically. It’s not easy, as several here have noted, to counter a Gish gallop, especially one as smooth as Pence’s oily delivery made it go down. But I can see where the interruptions, especially early on, would have led viewers to see Kaine as overly aggressive.
Which is a shame, because he can be pretty damn charming when he’s relaxed and able to be himself. This was a thankless task for him. It’s probably for the best that the hurricane will take attention away from the debate very quickly (and that the growing narrative about Pence throwing Trump under the bus will end up being what’s most remembered about the debate by those who do remember it.)
On to Sunday…
Mike Pence May Have Made Up An Ancient Proverb About Russia https://t.co/8PRS0PSkYj
— McKay Coppins (@mckaycoppins) October 5, 2016
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— free token (@freetoken) October 5, 2016
re: #180 ipsos
After an hour or so to digest, I am of the cautious opinion that Kaine had some room for improvement tonight, stylistically. It’s not easy, as several here have noted, to counter a Gish gallop, especially one as smooth as Pence’s oily delivery made it go down. But I can see where the interruptions, especially early on, would have led viewers to see Kaine as overly aggressive.
Which is a shame, because he can be pretty damn charming when he’s relaxed and able to be himself. This was a thankless task for him. It’s probably for the best that the hurricane will take attention away from the debate very quickly (and that the growing narrative about Pence throwing Trump under the bus will end up being what’s most remembered about the debate by those who do remember it.)
On to Sunday…
I think Tim Kaine is just too honest for a modern Presidential campaign—and fortune doesn’t always grant you a suppurating boil like Palin or Trump to debate.
Pence spends debate trying to save his own ass, just ends up earning the ire of his own party instead.
That’s a pretty impressive feat.
re: #122 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
That how the misogynistic moronic muppets roll. They collect money for the rubes, do the barest amount of research, publish bullshit that’s easily discredited and pocket the change. Just like their billboard stunt. I would be seriously surprised if it ran in a major metro market.
re: #107 Brian J.
And paying a visit to Jacksonville on Friday night.
I will be paying a call to my son in Jacksonville. He lives too close to the St. Johns River.
re: #185 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
I think Tim Kaine is just too honest for a modern Presidential campaign—and fortune doesn’t always grant you a suppurating boil like Palin or Trump to debate.
Fortunately, the debate is probably the least important thing Kaine needs to do for the ticket. He’ll be much better in his other roles (including helping to deliver a royal-blue Virginia in a month’s time.)
re: #178 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Hillary has sharp people on her social media staff.
Think it was just some random guy. The domain registrant is a guy named Danilo Alfaro from Oregon.
re: #166 dangerman
watcha got?
2013 Yamaha FZ1 and an ‘01 Ducati SuperSport 750ie. I *just* got the Duck running. I brought them to the islands last week, they’re not even Georgia plated yet. :(
They’re parked and covered under a friend’s carport a couple of blocks away. I’m going to move them alongside his house wall and strap them down tight tomorrow. Winds don’t worry me too much, but flooding does.
I put them on new insurance this afternoon (Progressive won’t cover out here) so they both have low-deductible comprehensive for a third less than I was paying for just one bike in DFW, TX. In theory I could replace them for $500 out of pocket if the worst happened… But I’d rather that not happen! Unfortunately I don’t know anybody inland with a garage.
I HAD a friend on Wilmington who could have helped out, but we got drunk and slept together a couple of months ago and that complicated her relationship with her boyfriend, so… That’s not an option. ;)
“New Rule in Georgia has riders swearing not to get involved with women under 30, click here to find out more”
re: #170 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Fun fact: if you go to thatmexicanthing.com, you end up at hillaryclinton.com.
Damn. Her social media people are awesome 👏 👏 .
Bah hate losing but it was a good season. Think I’ll root for the Indians. I have a small soft spot for the city of Cleveland.
CNN’s John King, reporting from a source close to Trump, that the reviews that Pence did better then he did won’t go over well with Trump
— Sam Stein (@samsteinhp) October 5, 2016
Say hello to King Pyrrhus, Mike.
Apparently CNN’s Commie Liberal focus group thought Vice President Kaine kicked White Noise all the way around the stage and then some.
Reuters stumbles in trying to explain the latest Nobel in Physics:
[…]
Their research centers on topology, a branch of mathematics involving step-wise changes like making a series of holes in an object. The difficult-to-grasp concept was illustrated by Nobel Committee member Thors Hans Hansson at a news conference using a cinnamon bun, a bagel and a Swedish style of pretzel with two holes.
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Well, if Reuters insist, though I doubt many people would think of topology in that way.
re: #191 danarchy
Think it was just some random guy. The domain registrant is a guy named Danilo Alfaro from Oregon.
He deserves a medal.
It’s a damn shame that Jordan Klepper on the Daily Show just did more in 3 minutes to expose the real Mike Pence than 90 minutes of debate could accomplish.
Moderator should have asked Pence if he disagreed with the research that was awarded the Nobel in physics today.
Chris Matthews is complaining about a guy who interrupts
— Evan Smith (@evanasmith) October 5, 2016
re: #199 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
”The president is aware of what is going on in Southeast Asia. That is not to say anything is going on in Southeast Asia.”
re: #191 danarchy
Think it was just some random guy. The domain registrant is a guy named Danilo Alfaro from Oregon.
They probably have hundreds if not thousands of people ready to jump on things like that.
re: #170 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
Props to the Clinton Campaign Digital Team-they’re on their game. Trump and the GOP? They’re shitty as fuck.
re: #198 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate
He deserves a medal.
Unfortunately for him he didn’t do a private registration so his phone number and email address are listed in the whois database. He may be on the receiving end of a derpstorm soon.
I know the criticism about Kaine will be that he didn’t go after Pence about his own background. My response to that is that Kaine did the most good by putting Pence on the defensive about the guy he’s running with. If you make the debate about Pence, then people flip the channel because Pence isn’t running for president. But if you keep Pence dodging questions about Trump’s statements and positions, then you realize that even his own VP won’t defend the man.
re: #205 Eric The Fruit Bat
Props to the Clinton Campaign Digital Team-they’re on their game. Trump and the GOP? They’re shitty as fuck.
That’s because The Google™ is against them.
I’m almost tempted to start hyping the idea that Pence did WAY better than Trump because I know it would really get under Trump’s thin skin.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 5, 2016
Good night all. 7th graders to deal with tomorrow…
more from adviser on Trump reaction to strong Pence debate following poor Trump showing last week: “he can’t stand to be upstaged”
— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 5, 2016
Looks like a sore spot needs attention.
re: #192 Pawn of the Oppressor
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re: #212 jaunte
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Looks like a sore spot needs attention.
That will be a constant riff between the two of them now. lol
re: #199 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge
Am I showing my age with this?
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and good times they were - dulled by time and forgetting some of the constitutional dangers
re: #212 jaunte
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Looks like a sore spot needs attention.
Put some of this on it.
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Mike better watch out, lest he get demoted like Christie was.
re: #214 Tigger2
That will be a constant riff between the two of them now. lol
It would be…
IF they ever met each other again. When was the last time they were even seen together anywhere?
re: #212 jaunte
You guys know what to do.
Pence did MUCH BETTER than @realdonaldtrump. He also shit on everything Trump ever said. #PenceTrumpsTrump
— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) October 5, 2016
Trump adviser on debate after Pence passed up opportunities to defend him: “Pence won overall, but lost with Trump”
— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 5, 2016
There it is. It wasn’t lost on Trump that Pence threw him under the bus tonight. @JohnJHarwood https://t.co/segUR5x3fK
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 5, 2016
re: #218 ipsos
It would be…
IF they ever met each other again. When was the last time they were even seen together anywhere?
trump *is* his own VP
Trump adviser on debate after Pence passed up opportunities to defend him: “Pence won overall, but lost with Trump”
— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) October 5, 2016
unbelievable. pence lost with trump by winning https://t.co/QKt9LQ5KEC
— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) October 5, 2016
The Iron Throne has a seat for only one. https://t.co/LOQ3DrAYIL
— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) October 5, 2016
re: #221 dangerman
trump *is* his own VP
“I can replace him, can’t I?”
“No, Donald, it’s too late for that.”
“WHY CAN’T I REPLACE HIM? I WANT DON JUNIOR TO BE MY VP. TRUMP/TRUMP 2016. MAKE IT HAPPEN!”
That’s the big takeaway of tonight: Even Mike Pence won’t defend Trump. Kaine may have been excitable and too eager to interrupt, but he was also happy to talk about who Hillary is and what she’s running on. Pence kept stumping for a campaign that doesn’t exist.
Please help get this hashtag trending.
#PenceTrumpsTrump Better debate performance. Better liar. Totally screwed @realdonaldtrump.
— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) October 5, 2016
re: #223 ipsos
“I can replace him, can’t I?”
“No, Donald, it’s too late for that.”
“WHY CAN’T I REPLACE HIM? I WANT DON JUNIOR TO BE MY VP. TRUMP/TRUMP 2016. MAKE IT HAPPEN!”
well i was going for clark kent/superman. eitherway works for me
The Iron Throne has a seat for only one.
As The Ghost Of A Flea said earlier, eerily soviet.
re: #226 dangerman
well i was going for clark kent/superman. eitherway works for me
Trump and his MiniMe
Pew came out with a report today that hasn’t received nearly the attention that it should:
Second debate in a row where Trump can complain of a Mike that wasn’t working for him.
— Mike Gehrke (@mikegehrke) October 5, 2016
so having neither seen nor heard the debate, the feeling im getting is:
kaine acknowledged, embraced and promoted his running mate
pence didnt
re: #226 dangerman
well i was going for clark kent/superman. eitherway works for me
Funny thing is, there’s actually nothing in the Constitution that would seem to explicitly prohibit an elector from casting a ballot for the same person for President and VP. (Except for electors in New York, who can’t cast ballots for a New Yorker for both President and VP. But could they vote for “Donald Trump, Trump Tower, NYC” for president and “Donald Trump, Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, FL” for veep?)
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re: #230 jaunte
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now that’s a walk off home run
I’m going to say it again:
Mike Pence is trying to signal that he’s going to be the “normal” wingnut that acts as a choke chain for Trumpian fuckwittery.
Vote Pence for shadow president, basically.
That is the best way to sum up his denial of the existence of Donald Trump—actual guy who won the primary with tulip-up-ass populist insanity—in favor of a fictional Trump who sounds like Mike Pence.
A friend on another board basically hit it out of the park: Tonight was Mike Pence not stumping for Donald Trump, it was Mike Pence laying the groundwork for “Pence 2020.” He’s already decided this election is lost and is working to divorce himself from a failing campaign to set the stage for his own run in four years.
re: #231 dangerman
Pence is showing his value as a team player.
It was a push. Pence did well initially when Kaine was jumping in. Stupid on his part.
In the last half, Kaine made Pence look like an idiot defending Trump’s actual statements.
Could have been so much better. Lost opportunity. Pretty major fuck-up by Kaine.
But again, a push, shouldn’t affect the overall belief that Drumpf is a disaster.
Blech, I was hoping for so much more.
One issue I take with the Pew polling is that they want to force people into a “Democratic”-“Republican” paradigm, as well as the usual “liberal”-“conservative” paradigm. The latter suffers from a lack of meaning, the former from a forced meaning.
re: #232 ipsos
Funny thing is, there’s actually nothing in the Constitution that would seem to explicitly prohibit an elector from casting a ballot for the same person for President and VP. (Except for electors in New York, who can’t cast ballots for a New Yorker for both President and VP. But could they vote for “Donald Trump, Trump Tower, NYC” for president and “Donald Trump, Mar-A-Lago, Palm Beach, FL” for veep?)
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and i floated this back before he picked pence. saying he was just the guy who would wonder if he could be his own vp.
ah, our innocent days of youth three months ago
In other words, what Pew and so many pollsters are trying to do is reify the magickality of words.
re: #239 dangerman
and i floated this back before he picked pence. saying he was just the guy who would wonder if he could be his own vp.
ah, our innocent days of youth three months ago
“Trump’s gonna be the nominee!”
“Aw, c’mon, tell me another tall one…”
sigh.
Latino Twitter not happy w/ Pence. Pissed as hell w/ “You whipped out that Mexican thing” comment. Metio la pata. (Stuck his foot in mouth).
— Ana Navarro (@ananavarro) October 5, 2016
re: #234 The Ghost of a Flea
I’m going to say it again:
Mike Pence is trying to signal that he’s going to be the “normal” wingnut that acts as a choke chain for Trumpian fuckwittery.
Vote Pence for shadow president, basically.
That is the best way to sum up his denial of the existence of Donald Trump—actual guy who won the primary with tulip-up-ass populist insanity—in favor of a fictional Trump who sounds like Mike Pence.
It makes sense in the context of a guy who’s named Dick Cheney as his role model for the job. Part of tonight’s performance was trying to sell fence-sitters on the idea that he’ll be the real power behind the throne. Don’t vote for Trump, vote for me because I’ll be the guy actually calling the shots.
re: #234 The Ghost of a Flea
I’m not so high minded that I didn’t immediately imagine this is terms of Mike Pence dancing around in an orange version of that skin suit from The Silence of the Lambs.
You read it, now you can visualize it. You can’t un-imagine it.
@Karoli Am I the only one who finds it immoral that pundits discuss who “won” w/o saying Pence put a woman in jail for having an abortion?
— Jeff Makos (@JeffMakos1) October 5, 2016
I refused to watch any of the primary debates, and my karma was shining like the evening star. Then I fell off the wagon with the first prez debate. How quick a trip it is to the gutter. Tonight I watched this excrescence and there was barely enough booze in the house, where there had seemed to be enough to lube a night at Rick’s joint in Casablanca.
KIRK: Scottie, give it everything you’ve got!
SCOTT: I dinoo, Captain. We’re down to the fookin Chardonnay. She’s gonna blow any minute!
I gotta say, for a guy who puts so much emphasis on his faith, Pence certainly beat the hell out of the whole “thou shalt not bear false witness” deal.
re: #235 Targetpractice
A friend on another board basically hit it out of the park: Tonight was not Mike Pence not stumping for Donald Trump, it was Mike Pence laying the groundwork for “Pence 2020.” He’s already decided this election is lost and is working to divorce himself from a failing campaign to set the stage for his own run in four years.
re: #234 The Ghost of a Flea
I’m going to say it again:
Mike Pence is trying to signal that he’s going to be the “normal” wingnut that acts as a choke chain for Trumpian fuckwittery.
Vote Pence for shadow president, basically.
That is the best way to sum up his denial of the existence of Donald Trump—actual guy who won the primary with tulip-up-ass populist insanity—in favor of a fictional Trump who sounds like Mike Pence.
fortunately neither of these things is gonna work
the dems are already building a database of everything trump has said and everyone whos supported him. “party of trump” will not go away and divorcing ones self will not be easy. databases are forever
and pence’s shadow plan will never get the legs. they’re *already* hitting him on it and the things barely over
One thing that doesn’t strongly influence opinion on climate issues, perhaps surprisingly, is one’s level of general scientific literacy. According to the survey, the effects of having higher, medium or lower scores on a nine-item index of science knowledge tend to be modest and are only sometimes related to people’s views about climate change and climate scientists, especially in comparison with party, ideology and concern about the issue. But, the role of science knowledge in people’s beliefs about climate matters is varied and where a relationship occurs, it is complex. To the extent that science knowledge influences people’s judgments related to climate change and trust in climate scientists, it does so among Democrats, but not Republicans. For example, Democrats with high science knowledge are especially likely to believe the Earth is warming due to human activity, to see scientists as having a firm understanding of climate change, and to trust climate scientists’ information about the causes of climate change. But Republicans with higher science knowledge are no more or less likely to hold these beliefs. Thus, people’s political orientations also tend to influence how knowledge about science affects their judgments and beliefs about climate matters and their trust in climate scientists.
In other words, for self described Republicans, acceptance of climatology as valid science is invariant over any demonstrated science knowledge.
Which is weird if we ponder it long… and telling about what it means in 2016 to describe one as a “Republican”.
The VP debate was… pretty dull actually. 538 likes to do ‘3 winners and 2 losers’, so here’s my two cents.
Winner: Mike Pence. He won the room, being calm, cool and collected, being patient, making his points firmly, and being soft-spoken and direct. Which is to say being everything that Trump is not. He also lied out of his teeth all night long and pretty much refused to support Trump on anything, but his base won’t care about this.
Winner: The Fact-checkers. That whole lying through his teeth thing? Yeah. Most of what he lied about had ample video evidence out there. The fact-checkers are going to be pointing out the lies all week, which will matter greatly to the sorts of people who read fact-checker articles and matter not-at-all to the undecided voter. But then, I don’t think the undecided voter was watching this debate anyway.
Winner: Hillary Clinton. Hillary didn’t need Kaine to win. She needed Kaine to remind America that Trump is absurd, which Kaine did repeatedly, and to not make a major gaffe or fall into a major trap which could become a Trump commercial that changes the race. Kaine, IMHO, succeeded, which means that the fundamentals of this contest won’t change at all.
Loser: The Networks. This was a dull debate, and the first half hour of it was a mishmash of people talking over each other (usually with Tim Kaine being the worst offender). I’m guessing most of America that aren’t hardcore political junkies had switched to Netflix before 15 minutes were up.
Loser: Ted Cruz. Sorry, Ted, but Mike Pence was doing more to prepare himself for 2020 than to help Trump in 2016, and Pence did exactly that. Especially given that half the Republican Party still feels betrayed by Cruz’ speech at the RNC. Pence just dropped into the status of first-tier candidate representing the religious faction of the Republican Party.
Think it’s only natural for Sauron (Trump) to be pissed at the success of Saruman (Pence), but you know what, they both are gonna end up at the same place and I’m alright with that.
re: #251 freetoken
In other words, for self described Republicans, acceptance of climatology as valid science is invariant over any demonstrated science knowledge.
Which is weird if we ponder it long… and telling about what it means in 2016 to describe one as a “Republican”.
articles of science faith are in fact planks in the party platform
Oh brother.
We are working on a deal in collaboration with @Cernovich to purchase 4chan and make my @WeSearchr co-founder Charles C. Johnson the CEO.
— Pax Dickinson ♔ (@paxdickinson) October 4, 2016
Here’s a good news story to end the night on: Dog survives six months alone in Eagan woods
An Inver Grove Heights dog survived six months alone in the wilderness of Eagan before an animal control officer found her and captured her and got her home.
Terra June, a Keeshond, was reported missing by her owner, whose name was not released, six months ago. Eagan animal control officer Bob Kent ensnared her on Monday.
They have a picture of the rescued pooch on the Star Trubune’s website. Nice lookin’ doggeh.
First and as far as we know *only* baseball player to throw a no-no on LSD. RT @NotableHistory: Dock Ellis pic.twitter.com/Nx6bwORkTb
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) October 5, 2016
re: #252 Ubiq
The VP debate was… pretty dull actually. 538 likes to do ‘3 winners and 2 losers’, so here’s my two cents.
Winner: Mike Pence. He won the room, being calm, cool and collected, being patient, making his points firmly, and being soft-spoken and direct. Which is to say being everything that Trump is not. He also lied out of his teeth all night long and pretty much refused to support Trump on anything, but his base won’t care about this.
Winner: The Fact-checkers. That whole lying through his teeth thing? Yeah. Most of what he lied about had ample video evidence out there. The fact-checkers are going to be pointing out the lies all week, which will matter greatly to the sorts of people who read fact-checker articles and matter not-at-all to the undecided voter. But then, I don’t think the undecided voter was watching this debate anyway.
Winner: Hillary Clinton. Hillary didn’t need Kaine to win. She needed Kaine to remind America that Trump is absurd, which Kaine did repeatedly, and to not make a major gaffe or fall into a major trap which could become a Trump commercial that changes the race. Kaine, IMHO, succeeded, which means that the fundamentals of this contest won’t change at all.
Loser: The Networks. This was a dull debate, and the first half hour of it was a mishmash of people talking over each other (usually with Tim Kaine being the worst offender). I’m guessing most of America that aren’t hardcore political junkies had switched to Netflix before 15 minutes were up.
Loser: Ted Cruz. Sorry, Ted, but Mike Pence was doing more to prepare himself for 2020 than to help Trump in 2016, and Pence did exactly that. Especially given that half the Republican Party still feels betrayed by Cruz’ speech at the RNC. Pence just dropped into the status of first-tier candidate representing the religious faction of the Republican Party.
In general, I agree, but I’d still call it a push.
I was disappointed by Kaine’s performance. He was too undisciplined.
re: #41 Jay C
Thank God it’s over.
Instant analysis: unfortunately, a draw.
Kaine was marginally better on policy - when he bothered to articulate it - otherwise mostly canned talking points. Pence looked OK (even if most of what he said was entirely canned talking points).
Mike’s big problem, though, is just like his running mate’s: a running litany of “he didn’t say that” when video evidence of Trump saying exactly “that” - or worse is readily available.
For now that seems to be what the media is chewing over …
Bottom line, IMO: no loss, but a blown opportunity.
Not really. No Veep debate has ever had any real impact on the presidential race.
re: #256 Charles Johnson
Oh brother.
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Oh god. It’s like an internet Voltron of dumbfuckery.
re: #256 Charles Johnson
That’ll be the day. Here, I already found a new logo for 4chan under the tutelage of UpChuck:
re: #195 jaunte
“Say hello to King Pyrrhus, Mike.”
I laughed so loud that my dog gave me a very strange look. Now I have to reassure him that I’m not going nuts.
re: #256 Charles Johnson
Oh brother.
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That’s probably the quickest way to destroy 4chan that anyone has yet presented.
re: #256 Charles Johnson
Oh brother.
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Great news! 4chan will be dead then.
re: #256 Charles Johnson
Pax actually has some real experience having worked with Business Insider-but I seriously doubt he’s going to be able to keep such a monster afloat once the misogynistic misfits purchase it. Their bandwidth costs won’t be cheap.
Personally I’d say tonight was a big loss for Trump, because the most favorable opinion seems to be that Pence won because the match went to the judges. And winning on points is not what Trump needed, he needed Pence to put Kaine on the mat for the full ten count. Kaine managed to last through the match without a bad gaffe and most of the criticism is about his early debate demeanor. Once that first half-hour squabble passed, it was Kaine backing Pence into a corner again and again and forcing him to either defend Trump or duck out of the way.
re: #267 Targetpractice
He never once defended what The Donald™ has said in the past and outright denied he said ugly things about women, Muslims, immigrants etc., *over and over and over again.* The ads coming from Hillary Clinton’s campaign wrote themselves tonight.
re: #267 Targetpractice
Personally I’d say tonight was a big loss for Trump, because the most favorable opinion seems to be that Pence won because the match went to the judges. And winning on points is not what Trump needed, he needed Pence to put Kaine on the mat for the full ten count. Kaine managed to last through the match without a bad gaffe and most of the criticism is about his early debate demeanor. Once that first half-hour squabble passed, it was Kaine backing Pence into a corner again and again and forcing him to either defend Trump or duck out of the way.
I think the next few days of harvesting ad material from all the Pence denials and lies will demonstrate that Kaine was quite successful in doing the job he was sent to do. The Trump campaign got nothing as far as I can tell. To me this makes Kaine the big winner.
KAINE: Mr. Trump is a man
PENCE: Nonsense
KAINE: Who lives
PENCE: Everyone knows he’s dead
KAINE: In New York
PENCE: Doesn’t even exist— Michael Schaub (@michaelschaub) October 5, 2016
re: #268 teleskiguy
He never once defended what The DonaldTM has said in the past and outright denied he said ugly things about women, Muslims, immigrants etc., *over and over and over again.* The ads coming from Hillary Clinton’s campaign wrote themselves tonight.
Apropos that…
2: release over the next 36 hrs mashing up Pence’s denials with the Trump quotes Pence was denying. Clinton team had a plan & executed.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 5, 2016
Skimming over the Pew report, there is one response from within me and I suppose it may be a characterological flaw (arrogance) on my part, but here it is:
Majority of Americans are ignorant.
Now I can put that in a less crass manner - I have beautiful words, the biggest words, the best words… um… er… anyway….
Regardless of anything else, though, ignorance by itself is not a moral issue. However, the following is:
Many Americans are self-willingly ignorant.
Consider the following question (on the Pew poll) and response to one of the answers:
Climate scientists understand very well
Whether climate change is occurring: 33%
In other words, only a third of Americans believe that climatologists really even know whether climate change is occurring. (see pg. 21 of the full report.)
The full report:
History teaches us that weakness arouses evil. America needs to be strong on the world stage. #VPDebate pic.twitter.com/FJ59o5M4bT
— Mike Pence (@mike_pence) October 5, 2016
Oh I want to marry this word choice fuck-up. Or a very least court it, seduce it, and abandon it.
re: #258 teleskiguy
@goldlikejoel @jamieshields70 @DannyEmbry Great YouTube animation using Ellis’ own voice about the LSD no-no. http://t.co/dyFoyJ8AXe
— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) July 11, 2013
@RichardGrenell @JohnJHarwood Much more than I believe you.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 5, 2016
Pence won on a technicality. The technicality? He wasn’t debating as Donald Trump’s running mate, was debating as the 2020 presidential nominee. He’s already setting himself up to run against Hillary in 4 years, once he’s found a way to wash the stench of this campaign off himself.
re: #277 Targetpractice
Pence won on a technicality. The technicality? He wasn’t debating as Donald Trump’s running mate, was debating as the 2020 presidential nominee. He’s already setting himself up to run against Hillary in 4 years, once he’s found a way to wash the stench of this campaign off himself.
That stink is bone deep.
re: #274 The Ghost of a Flea
I wish the 7th Circuit Ct. of Appeals slap-down of Pence for discriminating against Syrian refugees had come up in the debate. Posner, who was nominated by Ronny Raygun, had the harshest words for Pence. He mentioned that Pence’s attitude toward Syrian refugees is like the racism some Americans practice in dealing with POC, especially Black Americans. He wrote that there were zero examples of Syrian refugees breaking the law or committing acts of terrorism in America. I can imagine that if this subject had come up, Pence would have denied the circuit court ruled against him.
re: #279 majii
It did. Kaine talked about it.
re: #279 majii
“WHERE DID YOU HEAR THIS????”
re: #280 retired cynic
It did. Kaine talked about it.
That’s when Pence pivoted to saying well, Syrians attacked in Paris.
re: #280 retired cynic
Thanks! Did Kaine mention anything specific about the ruling, and what was Pence’s reaction? I didn’t get a chance to watch the debate.
re: #281 GlutenFreeJesus
I read it the other day on the Addiction Info and The New Civil Rights Movement sites. I think The Raw Story had a post on it, too.
re: #282 retired cynic
Thanks, got it. Pence pivoted to avoid acknowledging the slap-down.
re: #283 majii
Thanks! Did Kaine mention anything specific about the ruling, and what was Pence’s reaction? I didn’t get a chance to watch the debate.
IIRC, Kaine got interrupted at the end of the sentence by Pence saying, but Paris! Moderator said, we’re supposed to be talking about North Korea, or something like that. Not swearing to it!
Pence now also has the stink of disloyalty oozing from his pores. I realize RWNJs have short attention spans and will flip on a dime BUT right now they’re still Trump butt lickers and Pence has betrayed their Dear Leader. Pundits are already all over him and after Hillary’s campaign gets through with him the guy won’t be able to get a free cup of coffee on the campaign trail. Will be interesting to watch.
re: #281 GlutenFreeJesus
Here’s a link ~~cbsnews.com
Talk about non-responsive—Kellyanne is a master. In an interview with Megyn Kelly, Megyn says:
“Putin has had journalists shot in the street so it’s a little jarring to hear him praised by Donald Trump as a strong leader,” Kelly explained.
Kellyanne answers a different question, then drifts into a total non-sequitor:
“Nobody thinks Obama is a strong leader,” Conway replied. “Why, in the new CNN poll, is Hillary at 53 percent among women?
Megyn points out that Kellyanne is full of shit:
“She’s beating Donald Trump by some 20 points with women,” the Fox News host interrupted. Kelly exclaimed. “His numbers are historically low for a Republican nominee with women. Historically low.”
Apparently unaware that 20 is a larger number than 13, Kellyanne responds:
“Mitt Romney lost women by 13 points and John McCain lost by 13,” Conway argued.
Megyn goes into a thorough explanation of how badly Trump is doing with women and why. Kellyanne, apparently not hearing a word of the explanation, responds with:
“I guess I would focus on why we’re here, which is the vice presidential debate,” Conway said.
Sigh.
re: #256 Charles Johnson
Oh brother.
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