Texas GOP Pushes New Law That Would Allow Doctors to Lie to Pregnant Women About Fetus’ Health Issues

How in the hell can anyone call this “pro-life?”
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In yet another unbelievably heartless move by the Republican Party, the Texas Senate is about to vote on a bill that would allow doctors to conceal from women that a child will be born deformed or disabled: Texas ‘wrongful birth’ bill would allow doctors to lie, critics say.

The Texas Senate may soon decide on a bill that prevents parents from suing their doctor if their baby is born with a disability — a move abortion-rights supporters say will result in doctors lying to patients about the health of fetuses.

Supporters of the measure, Senate Bill 25, say it is needed to protect doctors from “wrongful birth” lawsuits and to protect the rights of the disabled.

“Senate Bill 25 will send a message that Texas does not believe that a life, in and of itself, is an injury in which parents need a damage payment,” said state Sen. Brandon Creighton, the bill’s author and a Republican from a town about 45 miles north of Houston.

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jaunte  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:42:17pm

State Sen. Brandon Creighton
District 4 (R-Conroe)

texastribune.org

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CongoJack  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:49:16pm

What the fuck Texas.

Having just found out that my wife is pregnant (7.5 weeks) and having just seen the ultrasound a few days ago… if the OBGYN lied to me or my wife on the health of that fetus and then did not allow us to take precautions I would be beyond livid (and shortly there after possibly in jail).

If we found out the fetus has a major defect we have discussed that it may be best to abort as the quality of life we would be able to give a child with major issues would not be great for the child or us. I find that to be humane. But why hide information from those that need it to make a decision.

That said - everything looks great and I cant wait to be a daddy!

Did a case study in College about Texas doctors and malpractice. Sen. John Cornyn when he was on the TX Supreme Court basically make it legal for doctors to do malpractice and limited the damages that could be awarded extremely low (like $5k for a delivered baby who lost an arm because of a shitty doctor - which this doctor had already maimed 20 babies in his care).

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retired cynic  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:50:15pm

re: #2 CongoJack

Thumbs up!

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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:50:26pm

re: #2 CongoJack

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:51:58pm

One thing I noticed this bill or the coverage doesn’t bother to address so far: how neglecting to inform about the health of the fetus may influence the mother’s health as well. After all, some pregnancies have complications that will directly impact the mother’s health, sometimes fatally. Ectopic pregnancy for example. What about complications there, or is that off limits because it leaves the impression that the fetus is not viable and therefore a ‘wrongful birth’?

Also….reading into the story:

She and her husband sued Dr. Louis M. Theimer, saying he failed to diagnose the rubella and failed to inform them of the long-term risks it posed to the fetus. By 1973, the family’s medical bills totaled more than $21,000. The courts eventually sided with the family, awarding them “expenses reasonably necessary for the care and treatment of their child’s physical impairment.”

After describing the case and the precedent it set, Creighton said, “There are problems with this particular cause of action: First, it sends the message that there are births that are wrongful.

“There are no wrongful births,” he said.

Like…does this motherfucker not understand why the ruling went as it did? The doctor withheld information about the health of their child. It wasn’t even a fucking matter of calling the birth ‘wrongful’ or them retroactively wanting an abortion over it. It’s the doctor’s fucking job to let the parents know how well it’s developing. Or do you only fucking care that the child is pushed out, not doing your best to inform your patients about the health of it? My fucking god.

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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:53:07pm
“Senate Bill 25 will send a message that Texas does not believe that a life, in and of itself, is an injury in which parents need a damage payment,” said state Sen. Brandon Creighton, the bill’s author…

A life is never ‘in and of itself.’ It is always (at the beginning) in and of a woman.

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:55:19pm

These fucknuts should just get it over with and declare that pregnant women are wombs that have no rights while they are pregnant.

That probably polls at 40% or more among the pig-people.

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:56:50pm

Michael Hill stoled my joke and David Simon retweeted HIM!

I tweeted this 6 hours earlier. Any lawyer here want to take my twitter joke plagerism lawsuit? 33% contingency fee $$$$$ can be yours!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 2:58:31pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:00:41pm

re: #8 gocart mozart

Michael Hill stoled my joke and David Simon retweeted HIM!

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I tweeted this 6 hours earlier. Any lawyer here want to take my twitter joke plagerism lawsuit? 33% contingency fee $$$$$ can be yours!!

Forget it, Jake Gocart, it’s Chinatown Twitter.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:01:49pm

re: #2 CongoJack

One of my teachers in Paralegal studies had deposed James Grigson in the late 80’s. We analyzed excerpts from the deposition in her class. There was stuff in there that would make your hair stand on end to read.

Texas is a Pro-Death state.

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mmmirele  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:03:00pm

I guess the Ninth Commandment (“thou shalt not bear false witness”) doesn’t matter to these oh so very religious Republicans.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:03:28pm

Could the proposed repeal of Obamacare cut off health insurance for children nationwide? Follow that question as it winds its way through Cincinnati’s health care community and you get to an interesting place: Sen. Rob Portman’s dinner table.

Here’s where the question started.

Cincinnati Children’s Hospital CEO Michael Fisher joined other hospital leaders Monday in opposing the phaseout of Medicaid for low-income Ohio adults. He also worries about coverage for the 36 million children insured by Medicaid or Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), which provides insurance for children in families who earn too much to qualify for Medicaid but cannot afford private insurance. Neither program is fully addressed in congressional Republicans’ proposal to replace Obamacare.

“Our country needs these children to become healthy adults who will lead, drive and secure our future. As such, we must protect Medicaid for kids and reauthorize CHIP,” Fisher said in a statement.

A hospital spokesman said Thursday Fisher stood by the statement after House Republicans released their plan to overhaul Obamacare. And he’s not the only one: “It is an institutional position, and as such is supported by our board,” spokesman Jim Feuer said.

That board includes Jane Portman, of Terrace Park, and 29 others. Jane Portman’s husband, Rob Portman, has positioned himself as a key player in the debate surrounding the repeal and replacement of Obamacare. Jane Portman has served on the hospital’s board for 11 years.

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:03:39pm

re: #2 CongoJack

Congratulations!

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:04:10pm

Sessions open to using outside counsel to investigate DOJ under Holder, Lynch

Trump, Russia, corruption, conflicts of interest? Who the hell cares? The GOP wants the head of every person who served under Obama.

Hugh Hewitt suggested this to Sessions. Sessions liked it.

politico.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:05:11pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:07:28pm

re: #12 mmmirele

I guess the Ninth Commandment (“thou shalt not bear false witness”) doesn’t matter to these oh so very religious Republicans.

They’re more like guidelines.

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:07:28pm

Ah Texas, the same state where a grieving family had to take a hospital to court over the right to take their daughter’s corpse off life support because she’d died while pregnant.

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Whack-A-Mole  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:11:13pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

Sessions open to using outside counsel to investigate DOJ under Holder, Lynch

Trump, Russia, corruption, conflicts of interest? Who the hell cares? The GOP wants the head of every person who served under Obama.

Hugh Hewitt suggested this to Sessions. Sessions liked it.

politico.com

Someday this will come around.

And while GOP investigations into Obama-era officials may throw up some innuendo and intimations of wrongdoing, once the Democrats retake the reins of power and begin investigations into the multitude of actual crimes the GOP have either directly engaged in or abetted for the last few years (including nearly everything about Trump), I think the scope and scale of the corruption uncovered will be truly shocking.

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mmmirele  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:11:16pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

Ah Texas, the same state where a grieving family had to take a hospital to court over the right to take their daughter’s corpse off life support because she’d died while pregnant.

Yeah, it seems like every day I see something out of Texas that almost makes me want to ship back my high school diploma, BA and JD out of sheer embarrassment.

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calochortus  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:14:54pm

re: #2 CongoJack

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:16:53pm

I wonder if there are any doctors out there who would be like “yeah, this is a great idea!”

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:17:34pm

re: #15 Skip Intro

Sessions open to using outside counsel to investigate DOJ under Holder, Lynch

Trump, Russia, corruption, conflicts of interest? Who the hell cares? The GOP wants the head of every person who served under Obama.

Hugh Hewitt suggested this to Sessions. Sessions liked it.

politico.com

As a man from the Deep South, I would think Jeff would know the dangers of settling old grudges.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:18:11pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

Ah Texas, the same state where a grieving family had to take a hospital to court over the right to take their daughter’s corpse off life support because she’d died while pregnant.

and the same state that already eliminated funding for therapies for the poor and disabled.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:18:48pm

re: #19 Whack-A-Mole

Someday this will come around.

And while GOP investigations into Obama-era officials may throw up some innuendo and intimations of wrongdoing, once the Democrats retake the reins of power and begin investigations into the multitude of actual crimes the GOP have either directly engaged in or abetted for the last few years (including nearly everything about Trump), I think the scope and scale of the corruption uncovered will be truly shocking.

I don’t think so. I think the GOP and their media enablers are going for a complete overthrow of our form of government. The shit Trump campaigned on - “LOCK HER UP” - and authoritarian hacks like Hewett desire to punish the members of the previous government is new ground here, but old news in totalitarian states. That’s where we’re headed, IMO, and we’re heading there fast.

The Dems don’t appear to be equipped to deal with this and out corporate media is absolutely hopeless. I don’t see how this ends other than with a one party, fully totalitarian state. I really don’t.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:19:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:20:07pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Duke liked Russia before liking Russia was cool for the right.

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Citizen K  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:20:53pm

re: #25 Skip Intro

I don’t think so. I think the GOP and their media enablers are going for a complete overthrow of our form of government. The shit Trump campaigned on - “LOCK HER UP” - and authoritarian hacks like Hewett desire to punish the members of the previous government is new ground here, but old news in totalitarian states. That’s where we’re headed, IMO, and we’re heading there fast.

The Dems don’t appear to be equipped to deal with this and out corporate media is absolutely hopeless. I don’t see how this ends other than with a one party, fully totalitarian state. I really don’t.

Sadly, this is where I’m at. “WHEN Dems take back the reins” seems like a very…optimistic perspective at this rate.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:20:59pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

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Or how HRC would have cut funding to clean up the Great Lakes and Chesapeake Bay.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:22:03pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:22:04pm

Just for reminders…the modern Hippocratic Oath. (From Wiki) With a couple points in bold type for emphasis.

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:…

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon’s knife or the chemist’s drug.

I will not be ashamed to say “I know not,” nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient’s recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person’s family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can but I will always look for a path to a cure for all diseases.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:22:52pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Like it makes a difference at this point.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:24:36pm

re: #20 mmmirele

From the newest rendition of my CV:

BS Cornell

PhD Texas Tech

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:27:20pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:27:25pm

re: #28 Citizen K

We’re already way past the tipping point. It is now “normal” that Trump will continue to hold “campaign rallys” two months into his term.

It is now normal for an AG to lie under oath and it’s a one day minor story. It is now normal that the job of cabinet heads is to dismantle their organization. It is now normal that far right wing crackpot sites are now considered to be sources of legitimate news, and conduits for Russian propaganda like Wikileaks are also treated as legitimate news sources.

I could go on and mention what the Republican states are doing, but why bother? All of this has happened in less than two months after the most ignorant and least qualified person in history was elected president by running a campaign of a never ending stream of lies and hatred. How does a country come back from this?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:27:29pm

DTE is having a very difficult day with customers on twitter (estimated times of restoration were promised to be available at noon today):

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:29:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:30:25pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:30:50pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

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WTF???

Joe the Fucking Idiot Plumber quoting BS from something called the Rusty Humphries’ radio show.

WTF???

‘Nuts gotta wing it.

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Timothy Watson  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:33:10pm

From Facebook:

An airplane was about to crash. There were 4 passengers on board, but only 3 parachutes. The 1st passenger said “I am Stephen Curry, the best NBA basketball player. The Warriors and my millions of fans need me, and I can’t afford to die.” So he took the 1st pack and left the plane. The 2nd passenger, Donald Trump, said, “I am the newly-elected US President, and I am the smartest President in American history, so my people don’t want me to die.” He took the 2nd pack and jumped out of the plane. The 3rd passenger, the Pope, said to the 4th passenger, a 10 year old schoolboy, “My son, I am old and don’t have many years left, you have more years ahead so I will sacrifice my life and let you have the last parachute.” The little boy said, “That’s okay, Your Holiness, there’s a parachute left for you. America ‘s smartest President took my schoolbag.”

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Targetpractice  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:33:39pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The party of “personal responsibility” is composed primarily of white men who want none of the responsibilities of a pregnancy but total control over it.

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MsJ  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:34:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:34:34pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

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lol keep dreaming Joe.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:35:44pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

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Imma guessing that JoeNotThePlumber still doesn’t have an actual real job.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:36:11pm

re: #39 ObserverArt

With a blue check mark yet. I guess Joe still hasn’t found a real job.

Of, and fuck @jack for giving these far right assholes a media outlet.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:37:15pm

re: #40 Timothy Watson

Wishful thinking.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:38:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:38:51pm

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MsJ  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:39:50pm

re: #40 Timothy Watson

I stolded that.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:40:32pm

re: #49 MsJ

It’s an ancient joke, but it’s no less funny this time around.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:42:56pm

Our right wing will not be happy until they turn the USA into the deconstructed shell Russia was back in the 1990’s. That example has shown how to then construct a nationalist authoritarian government creatingvast wealth for the ruling class and a compliantly nationalist and frightened populace.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:43:04pm

a lizard needs some positive vibes on twitter.

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jaunte  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:43:55pm

Thread:

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:44:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:44:43pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:51:06pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is where we’re at. RW Fox now supports Russia over the US, and their legion of idiot viewers will follow right along.

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S'latch  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:56:19pm

Goodbye Obamacare.

Hello Trumpathy.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:57:01pm

re: #56 Skip Intro

This is where we’re at. RW Fox now supports Russia over the US, and their legion of idiot viewers will follow right along.

Didn’t we have this same discussion back during the Snowden debacle?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 3:58:57pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:00:50pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

Soon it will fall to Congress to declare the Bible is the inerrant word of God, and anyone who questions that is a heretic and will be punished.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:01:44pm

Saw some stuff about this earlier related to emoluments…basically China just granted about 3 dozen trademarks to Trump that they had stonewalled for years. This, of course, will make him a lot of money and looks like a classic quid pro quo being set up…hence the reason for the emoluments clause in the first place.

I did not know that one of the trademarks granted was for an escort service.

Wow. 8(

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:03:50pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:04:01pm

I got nothing…

Attorney General Jeff Sessions called the Guantanamo Bay detention facility a “very fine place” Thursday, adding that he sees no legal reason not to send potential newly captured terrorism suspects there.

“I’ve been there a number of times as a senator, and it’s just a very fine place for holding these kind of dangerous criminals,” Session said in an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt. “We’ve spent a lot of money fixing it up. And I’m inclined to the view that it remains a perfectly acceptable place.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:05:22pm

NOT FAKE
Snopes status: TRUE

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:08:46pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

So does Hewett do propaganda work for MSNBC or CNN now?

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:09:37pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

EPA chief also thinks Congress should vote on whether 2 + 2 = 4 or 2 + 2 = 5.

GOP budget office gets upset about this intrusion on their turf.

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:10:56pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

The only way Sessions can get it up any more is likely the thought of sending Obama to Gitmo.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:13:27pm

re: #67 EPR-radar

The only way Sessions can get it up any more is likely the thought of sending Obama to Gitmo.

Ugh. I mean, you’re probably right, but still… *WHACK!*

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retired cynic  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:16:42pm

re: #57 S’latch

Goodbye Obamacare.

Hello Trumpathy.

I’m with Charlie Pierce: it should be Republicare. Tar them all with it. As CP says, several generations of Republican politicians have pushed for these ridiculous things. NPR just did a withering critique of the bill, as having the main goal of putting billions of dollars back in the pockets of the top 1%.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:20:45pm

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:25:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:26:58pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:28:16pm

I can see a whole new type of fucked up anime coming from radioactive Fukushima critters….

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:29:53pm
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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:29:59pm

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The fucker wants to eradicate Obamacare, he has to fucking own it. No way am I going to let him get away with this.

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FormerDirtDart  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:30:03pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:35:50pm

A righteous rant from a DailyKos commenter on the subject of that 55 year-old shitwit first time voter that went for Trump:

You know, there might have been a time when I would have felt an emotion other than pure orgasmic schadenfreude at stories like this. Not now. I’m a little bit surprised to find out just how petty and vindictive I am. But you know what? I really don’t feel bad about it. Not at all.

Fail, Martha Brawley of Monroe, North Carolina. Fail like the loser you are. Fifty-five years old and the first goddamn vote you ever cast in your sorry-ass misspent life is for this lying, corrupt, racist shitstain of a man, this active and conscious agent of a hostile foreign power, this infected boil on the ass of a once-great nation. You, Martha Brawley of Monroe, North Carolina, will lie away every night for quite some time wondering how you’re going to pay to get your liver condition treated. In fact, you’re probably going to spend all your time thinking about that right up until the day you die of it. And my only wish for you is that you spend every second of the rest of your wasted, misbegotten life understanding that YOU. DID. THIS. TO. YOURSELF.

From time to time I try the art of the rant, but I’ve never done this well.

The followup in the comments is also excellent, with someone pointing out that this shitwit did this to a lot more people than herself, and the OP responding, cogently, that the rant was focused only on her personal misfortune because anyone capable of voting for Trump must be assumed to not care about anyone else.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:35:50pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart

I’m really starting to get sick of seeing that miserable shitweasel Jared Kushner having his hands in everything. Is he Trump’s bribe collection guy now?

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:41:22pm

re: #78 Skip Intro

I’m really starting to get sick of seeing that miserable shitweasel Jared Kushner having his hands in everything. Is he Trump’s bribe collection guy bag man now?

Let’s just go with a classic term for the guy that collects the bribes.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:43:41pm

Wine bar owners sue President Trump, saying D.C. hotel unfairly takes away business

At Cork Wine Bar, owners Khalid Pitts and Diane Gross host corporate dinners, political fundraisers, embassy receptions and an array of other events for clients looking for a casually elegant setting offering more than 200 wines from around the world.

But the couple contend their Logan Circle business would be better off if not for a new player in town who they claim is operating with an unfair and illegal advantage: President Donald Trump, owner of the $212 million Trump International Hotel he opened last fall.

With support from a legal team headlined by the co-founder of Ralph Nader’s advocacy group, Gross and Pitts sued Trump and his D.C. hotel company Wednesday in Superior Court, alleging that the president’s continued ownership of the hotel constitutes unfair competition that damages their business.

“We have events we do here for elected officials, nonprofits, foreign dignitaries, the World Bank, law firms,” Gross said. “Those folks are now being courted to come and want to go there because they see it as advantageous to them to curry favor with the president.”

Trump, the best friend small business ever had.

washingtonpost.com

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:45:16pm

re: #76 FormerDirtDart

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Dept of State is effectively defunct. Trump family now handing foreign contacts and squeezing them for cash.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:45:25pm

re: #80 Skip Intro

Wine bar owners sue President Trump, saying D.C. hotel unfairly takes away business

Trump, the best friend small business ever had.

washingtonpost.com

The Four Seasons lacked the balls to sue first. Good on these people.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:46:06pm

re: #78 Skip Intro

I’m really starting to get sick of seeing that miserable shitweasel Jared Kushner having his hands in everything. Is he Trump’s bribe collection guy now?

Yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:47:38pm

*thud*

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Major Tom  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:48:21pm

re: #73 Scottish Dragon

Last I heard they were exploring the possibility of a “China Syndrome” having occurred there.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:48:22pm

Oh brother. And I mean that literally.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:48:56pm

For those who need cheering up (probably most of us here in occupied America)

RACCOON WITH HEAD STUCK IN JAR RESCUED FROM UTILITY POLE

GREENWICH TWP., NJ — It was just one of those days for a curious raccoon in New Jersey.

The furry mammal was found Wednesday morning with his head stuck in a jar atop a utility pole in Greenwich Township.

Atlantic City Electric says concerned customers called in to report the unusual scene.

ABC 13 in fact has a whole page of animal rescue stories.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:50:01pm

The fuckers in Texas:

In yet another unbelievably heartless move by the Republican Party, the Texas Senate is about to vote on a bill that would allow doctors to conceal from women that a child will be born deformed or disabled: Texas ‘wrongful birth’ bill would allow doctors to lie, critics say.

The Texas GOP doesn’t seem to think that parents have a right to know if their child has a disability and make preparations to care for their child? They think that everyone just goes and aborts if there’s a disability? Seriously? That’s the rationale here?

So, say a good Christian family in Johnson City gets routine prenatal care (yeah, I know, stay with me), and they find that the child has a deformed leg but is otherwise in excellent health. The docs wont be required to tell the parents? So baby is born and oh yeah - kid’s got a deformity and you have no way to pay for it or prepare for any potential surgeries or care that might correct the deficiency.

These GOPers are bugnuts insane with their regressive and sadistic policies.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:50:29pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:51:08pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:53:59pm

For future reference.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:54:51pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Oh, good grief. This tired old shitpile again? OBAMA ISN’T EVEN PRESIDENT ANYMORE.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:58:19pm

re: #90 goddamnedfrank

Frankly My Dear … @goddamnedfrank
Welcome to Old White Dude Constantly Interrupting His Guests, starring @HardballChris.
7:50 PM - 9 Mar 2017

If they ever get a chance to actually answer a question.

Yes, he is terrible at interrupting them in the middle of their answer/comment.

Usually that is cut down because he asks a question, and then as they try to answer he starts rattling on with his own comment to the question, an explanation to his question, further questions or what they may say anyway, or what other’s answers would be.

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 4:59:52pm

re: #81 Scottish Dragon

Dept of State is effectively defunct. Trump family now handing foreign contacts and squeezing them for cash.

That makes perfect sense. The State Department is completely irrelevant if US foreign policy is to consist exclusively of bribing the Orange Menace.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:00:02pm

re: #94 ObserverArt

And he spits when he talks.
A lot.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:01:45pm

re: #96 Backwoods_Sleuth

And he spits when he talks.
A lot.

I really don’t understand how he’s gone so long without anybody physically attacking him on camera.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:02:02pm
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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:03:25pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

We did it a lot better.

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lawhawk  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:05:25pm

re: #91 Skip Intro

Missing Ivanka and Putin’s girlfriend. Huntsman’s family has Russian business interests. Wilbur Ross. Paul Manafort. J.D. Gordon.

washingtonpost.com

The more you look, the more you have to have Russia ties to be part with this corrupt cabal of cronies.

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retired cynic  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:06:20pm

Oooh, Kai Ryssdal of NPR’s program Marketplace just ripped Paul Ryan a new one. He played Ryan’s demo with his sleeves rolled up and his PowerPoint charts shining, talking about how the healthy people were paying for the sick people and how AWFUL that was. Kai had one sentence afterwards, before ending the program. “Mr. Speaker, that’s exactly the way insurance works.” Mic drop.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:07:01pm

re: #84 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is what I mean by Pence being worse.

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Shiplord Kirel  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:09:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:11:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:14:03pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:14:56pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

A shitwit in its native habitat (internet comments). It’s a damn shame they aren’t an endangered species.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:15:56pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

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If your family doesn’t have a dumbass in it, chances are, it’s you. In Obama’s, it happens to be Malik. In the tweeter’s case, I think it’s obvious.

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blueraven  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:18:06pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

jesus…that thing has been around since 2009. Orly filed this BS fake Obama Birth Certificate in Barnett v Obama.

obamaconspiracy.org

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Major Tom  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:21:49pm

re: #87 Shiplord Kirel

My Kitties.

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retired cynic  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:23:01pm

re: #110 Major Tom

My Kitties.

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sweet!

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:23:26pm
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calochortus  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:24:37pm

Having given some thought to TrumpCare I think we’re getting lost in the weeds.
I posted this elsewhere:

I don’t know that the biggest problem with the GOP plan is whether insurance covers any particular condition or not-it’s the lack of a mandate combined with requiring coverage of preexisting conditions with a 30% penalty for a year if your coverage lapses.

Think about it.
Scenario #1: You can pay say $8000 a year for 10 years and then get cancer and it will still cost $8000 a year which gives a total cost of $80,000 over a period of 10 relatively healthy years, and another $8,000 the year you get sick.

Scenario #2: you would not buy insurance for 10 years, paying maybe $1000-$2000 per year out of pocket. That’s a maximum of $20,000 and probably a lot less. Then you get sick and buy a policy, paying the $8000+$2400 (30% penalty) That’s $10,400 which reverts to $8000 after the first year.

So, in summary, over 10 healthy years plus one sick year #1 costs $88,000. #2 costs $30,400. That is $57,600 that the insurance company does not get to defray the costs of sick/injured people. They will make it up somehow and the only way they can do that is raising premiums by a massive amount. That being the case, fewer people will be able to afford the premiums and will choose Scenario #2 because it is their only choice. The tax credits won’t begin to cover it.

That will be a true “death spiral.”

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bratwurst  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:25:24pm

Now Drudge is tweeting about Chuck Johnson’s bogus Obama birth certificate tweet:

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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:26:14pm

re: #114 bratwurst

That’s it. It’s now gospel. Now we but await the moment when Drumpf retweets this, and then all hell will break loose.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:26:37pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:30:12pm

re: #113 calochortus

In fairness, I think the tax penalties in the ACA were also insufficient to really make it an effective mandate. At least in the ACA the tax penalties collected were revenue for the system, as opposed to a pure give-away to the insurance companies we have in this GOPDontCare proposal.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:30:30pm

re: #73 Scottish Dragon

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I can see a whole new type of fucked up anime coming from radioactive Fukushima critters….

Princess Mononoke redux.

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A Cranky One  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:30:53pm

re: #88 lawhawk

The fuckers in Texas:

The Texas GOP doesn’t seem to think that parents have a right to know if their child has a disability and make preparations to care for their child? They think that everyone just goes and aborts if there’s a disability? Seriously? That’s the rationale here?

So, say a good Christian family in Johnson City gets routine prenatal care (yeah, I know, stay with me), and they find that the child has a deformed leg but is otherwise in excellent health. The docs wont be required to tell the parents? So baby is born and oh yeah - kid’s got a deformity and you have no way to pay for it or prepare for any potential surgeries or care that might correct the deficiency.

These GOPers are bugnuts insane with their regressive and sadistic policies.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:31:02pm

re: #114 bratwurst

Now Drudge is tweeting about Chuck Johnson’s bogus Obama birth certificate tweet:

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Bogus fakety fake Nirth Sertifikat debunked years ago.

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calochortus  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:31:23pm

re: #118 EPR-radar

In fairness, I think the tax penalties in the ACA were also insufficient to really make it an effective mandate. At least in the ACA the tax penalties collected were revenue for the system, as opposed to a pure give-away to the insurance companies we have in this GOPDontCare proposal.

I absolutely agree with you. That’s why so many young, healthy people didn’t sign up.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:31:37pm

re: #114 bratwurst

And it starts again.

4m
RW‏ @redwing195806
@DRUDGE_REPORT @JanJohnsonFL now reading the Constitution. bills signed into law by obama would now be returned and have to be resubmitted.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:33:14pm

Oldie but a goodie.

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Stanley Sea  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:34:04pm
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Anymouse  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:34:39pm

re: #53 jaunte

Thread:

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I much prefer calling it “Republicare” over “Trumpcare.” For one thing, Trump didn’t write it. For another, when this disaster comes back to bite people, the Republicans will instantly distance themselves from it if it is called “Trumpcare.”

I want them to own this - not Trump.

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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:36:02pm

Speaking of oldies but goodies…

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:36:08pm

re: #114 bratwurst

Now Drudge is tweeting about Chuck Johnson’s bogus Obama birth certificate tweet:

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The long form was analyzed by leading forensics experts and found to be the product of forgery. Look it up on YouTube. I used to mock the birthers, until evidence became too clear to ignore.

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:36:22pm

re: #122 calochortus

I absolutely agree with you. That’s why so many young, healthy people didn’t sign up.

If the individual mandate had sufficiently stiff penalties to ensure a useful rate of compliance, it would be politically radioactive. Nobody, left right or center, would really want to see that enacted.

That is one of the flaws in the ACA that we’d be seeking rational ways to fix in an alternate (i.e., civilized) reality.

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:37:36pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:38:22pm

re: #126 Anymouse

I much prefer calling it “Republicare” over “Trumpcare.” For one thing, Trump didn’t write it. For another, when this disaster comes back to bite people, the Republicans will instantly distance themselves from it if it is called “Trumpcare.”

I want them to own this - not Trump.

GOPDonTCare hits the GOP, Trump and their central message all in one shot.

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calochortus  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:38:44pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

Sadly, reality doesn’t seem to involve civilization, kindness, or even enlightened self interest.

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:40:41pm

re: #132 calochortus

Sadly, reality doesn’t seem to involve civilization, kindness, or even enlightened self interest.

We will see if reality can include serious losses for the GOP in 2018 after two years of unmitigated cluster fuck and disaster.

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scottslemmons  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:41:14pm

re: #124 Ace Rothstein

Oldie but a goodie.

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OMG THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFIFICICATE!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:43:31pm
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Stanley Sea  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:45:06pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:46:22pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scott Baio, you say?….

Comic Relief “Bobcat Goldthwait” Stand Up Comedy

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:46:56pm
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Romantic Heretic  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:47:22pm

re: #2 CongoJack

Congratulations.

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Anymouse  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:47:38pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Oh brother. And I mean that literally.

Changing their original story since they got called on their first fake birth certificate. There was in fact a British Protectorate of Kenya (a ten mile wide coastal strip of British East Africa).

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:47:45pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

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How can we be sure that Steve Bannon is not a Rattenkönig in a skin suit?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:47:50pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:48:08pm

re: #113 calochortus

Another fundamental issue that gets lost in the battle between evil Republicans and compromising Democrats is that the insurance model is a poor fit to the realities of health care.

Insurance premiums can be reasonable even for expensive items if the risk is generally low (e.g., fire insurance on a house).

But health care isn’t like that. Fairly predictably, people’s health care costs go up as they get older. Also, people with serious health conditions often have very high and ongoing expenses.

50 year old houses are not much more likely to burn down than 20 year old houses, and there is no such thing as a house that legitimately burns to the ground every year.

So why the hell are we talking about health insurance? The entire idea is basically idiotic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:49:17pm
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prairiefire  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:49:39pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

He should get that dark mole looked at.

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Anymouse  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:50:43pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

Why hasn’t this Malik Obama account been suspended yet? Oh right, libertarians, money, &c.

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:51:03pm

re: #145 prairiefire

He should get that dark mole looked at.

Actually, I think Bannon should just regard it as a beauty mark and carry on with his boozing it up. It’s a free country after all.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:52:17pm

re: #121 The Vicious Babushka

Bogus fakety fake Nirth Sertifikat debunked years ago.

Don’t mean nothing to wingnuts.

This is new proofs!!!

Finally they can dream of locking him up.

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calochortus  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:52:36pm

re: #143 EPR-radar

And it gets to be less and less sustainable as an idea as health care itself gets more and more complex.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:52:43pm

re: #142 Charles Johnson

Trump will retweet it by tomorrow, and the media will fall in line by “reporting both sides” of the issue for the next four years. Tens of millions of morons will believe it, leaving Trump and his family free to loot the country.

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prairiefire  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:52:51pm

re: #147 EPR-radar

Actually, I think Bannon should just regard it as a beauty mark and carry on with his boozing it up. It’s a free country after all.

I’ve seen better groomed skid row bums.

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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:53:29pm

re: #145 prairiefire

He should get that dark mole looked at.

Nah, just let it grow. It’s a good look for him.

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:54:05pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:54:41pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:54:42pm

re: #149 ObserverArt

Don’t mean nothing to wingnuts.

This is new proofs!!!

Finally they can dream of locking him up.

Orly Taitz is relevant again!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:56:12pm
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Anymouse  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:57:15pm
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freetoken  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:57:45pm

re: #143 EPR-radar

Another fundamental issue that gets lost in the battle between evil Republicans and compromising Democrats is that the insurance model is a poor fit to the realities of health care.

Agree. I’m afraid “insurance” has become a magic word, that just gets incanted over and over. “Insurance” is just some black box out of which the goodness of health care gets sprung.

Rather, what as a society we need is assured health care - that people get what they need.

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 5:58:15pm

re: #126 Anymouse

I much prefer calling it “Republicare” over “Trumpcare.” For one thing, Trump didn’t write it. For another, when this disaster comes back to bite people, the Republicans will instantly distance themselves from it if it is called “Trumpcare.”

I want them to own this - not Trump.

This was pounded out yesterday ‘mouse…don’t know if you saw this image I did. A few suggestions by other Lizards and this seems to be the best answer. It gets the GOP in it and it has the sly DonT for don’t that gets Donny in it too. It also picks at their original design and gets in digs on the web site for the bill and on replacing Republicans in congress. All purpose.

Feel free to use the image if you or anyone desires. I’d love for it to get around. It is fairly large..click it for full size.

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gocart mozart  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:00:15pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:00:17pm

re: #2 CongoJack

Congratulations!!

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majii  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:00:24pm

re: #131 EPR-radar

“GOPDonTCare hits the GOP, Trump and their central message all in one shot.”

Something that isn’t being mentioned by the MSM about this bill is that it won’t go into effect until after the 2018 midterm elections. Ryan wrote this bill in a way that he hopes won’t harm GOPers’ chance of retaining their seats in Congress. This says to me that if the bill becomes law this year, they will focus on the lie that it’s better than the PPACA while not mentioning how many Americans it harms, or the way it harms them. They also won’t fail to mention that they delivered on what they promised [to repeal and replace Obamacare,] and I don’t expect them to mention that their new law is a sh*t sandwich for the average American except for our wealthiest citizens who get a rather large tax break.

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Anymouse  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:01:39pm

A fascinating thread of the differences that women have to deal with in business compared to men. A man and woman traded names signing E-mails for a week, and the man relates his experiences signing his name as his co-worker Nicole.

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Anymouse  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:03:29pm

re: #160 ObserverArt

Thanks, somehow I missed it. Maybe I should print that thing out and put it on my door. (Sooner or later every person in town comes to my house … currently I have an “I vote for Democrats” and an “I sit with John Lewis” stickers on my door.

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bratwurst  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:05:18pm

Remember folks, this is a guy who puts his name of steaks, water bottles and a bogus “university”…yet somehow he doesn’t want his name on this health care plan.

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:08:02pm

re: #159 freetoken

Agree. I’m afraid “insurance” has become a magic word, that just gets incanted over and over. “Insurance” is just some black box out of which the goodness of health care gets sprung.

Rather, what as a society we need is assured health care - that people get what they need.

The basic truths there are that this is going to be extremely expensive, and that costs will have to be controlled in every way possible, which will include some elements of rationing.

Of course the US political system can’t deal with that rationally either, because the costs will have to fall on the plutocrats as the only viable source of funding, and people are incapable of being rational about the rationing part of the system (e.g., the ‘death panels’ canard).

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:08:45pm

re: #166 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

Remember folks, this is a guy who puts his name of steaks, water bottles and a bogus “university”…yet somehow he doesn’t want his name on this health care plan.

You left out ‘Chinese escort service’.

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EPR-radar  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:09:21pm

re: #166 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

Remember folks, this is a guy who puts his name of steaks, water bottles and a bogus “university”…yet somehow he doesn’t want his name on this health care plan.

For once I agree with Trump. The Republicans need to own this festering turducken of shit, pus and smegma.

GOPDonTCare.

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majii  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:12:17pm

re: #146 Anymouse

“Why hasn’t this Malik Obama account been suspended yet? Oh right, libertarians, money, &c.”

Malik Obama has been upset ever since PBO didn’t issue him a personal invitation to the WH. After BO became POTUS, MO ran for a county gubernatorial office in Kenya in 2013 and used his non-existent connection to BO as a tactic to help him win the seat. He lost. I don’t think he’s ever gotten over BO refusing to use the office of POTUS to promote his political and personal aspirations in Kenya.

“”Why would my people settle for a local connection when they have a direct line to the White House,” he said. Campaigning under the slogan “Obama here, Obama there”, he said he dreamed of bringing chains like McDonald’s to the area and launching a bid for the presidency. Obama, who was refusing to take calls from journalists Sunday, might have been undone by his much-vaunted refusal to give handouts, a common feature of Kenyan election campaigns where voters collect small sums of money to attend rallies.”
huffingtonpost.com

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Anymouse  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:15:20pm

re: #168 Scottish Dragon

You left out ‘Chinese escort service’.

Well, to be slightly fair to Mr. Trump, a lot of famous people will pro-actively register names for unsavoury businesses (or unsavoury Websites) to prevent others from using them.

That said, the way Mr. Trump went about this (using his political leverage) qualifies as corruption.

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Anymouse  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:16:39pm

re: #170 majii

So the Malik Obama account is real then? (I was under the impression it was something Chuck C. Johnson made up).

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ObserverArt  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:24:05pm

Rachel is getting interesting tonight. She is talking about how well coordinated the Wikileaks DNC emails were with Trump talking points and campaign cues. Timing of it all seems very well planned by the groups. She’s tying RT America, Roger Stone, the Trump campaign and Wikileaks all together. Who put them all together…Russia.

And now we have the CIA info on Wikileaks…and she is saying it is round 2 for Putin who not only hates the U.S. State Depart currently being tore up but hates the CIA.

Spy versus Spy. It’s a real Mad world isn’t it?

And she just asked fs the Russian “campaign” against us over, or still in process? (She’s now in a break)

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thedopefishlives  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:25:44pm

re: #172 Anymouse

So the Malik Obama account is real then? (I was under the impression it was something Chuck C. Johnson made up).

No, it’s definitely him and he is definitely a dumbass. Chuck C. Johnson has done well in finding the - ahem - black sheep of the Obama family to embarrass our ex-President with.

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majii  Mar 9, 2017 • 6:38:08pm

re: #172 Anymouse

I don’t know whether the account is real or not, but I do know MO seems to hate BO. Old dude was personally invited to one of the Clinton/Trump debates by Trump and did declare that, “Trump can make America great again.” He reminds of my cousin, Alveda King, who I do not tell anyone I’m related to. AK has never seen a right-wing meme or idea she’d reject. Very few members of my family want anyone to know she’s related to them. My mom and Coretta Scott King were second cousins. CSK would attend our family reunions in Tuscaloosa, AL, which are held on even-numbered years.

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Birth Control Works  Mar 14, 2017 • 5:58:19am

Christians who say it’s ok to lie if it furthers their agenda. Isn’t there a word for that in another language and another religion?


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