Democratic Party to Women: Your Rights Are Less Important Than Winning Elections

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Today the Democratic Party announced a new position that I find absolutely infuriating: no litmus test on abortion.

“There is not a litmus test for Democratic candidates,” said Luján, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman. “As we look at candidates across the country, you need to make sure you have candidates that fit the district, that can win in these districts across America.”

That’s right; in a misguided quest for conservative votes, the party leadership has decided women’s rights are no longer a core issue for Democrats, and they’re going to start giving money to anti-abortion “Democrats.”

Disregarding the human rights of 50% of the party’s membership is a terrible idea, and I predict if they follow through with it they’re going to see it backfire disastrously. If women’s rights aren’t a non-negotiable issue for the Democratic Party, what is?

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Interesting Times  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:33:08am

Ugh. And they already had excellent advance warning about this issue here:

Democrats’ Waffling on Abortion Rights Isn’t Just Wrong, It’s a Huge Political Mistake

Sanders’ and the Democrats’ shakiness on women’s reproductive freedom is a betrayal of progressive values, but it’s not just that. If Democrats wish to grow the party, going wobbly on its support of reproductive justice is counterproductive and remarkably short-sighted. Such a stance is wrong as a matter of principle and wrong as a matter of political pragmatism.

And:

Like Groome, I agree that abortion is profound moral issue, but unlike him, I believe that progressives need to start embracing abortion as a positive moral good, rather than stigmatizing it as a necessary evil. A lot of reproductive rights messaging has been euphemistic, equivocating and terrible—e.g., the Clintonite formulation that abortion should be “safe, legal and rare.” Then there is that old standby, “choice,” which conjures up a neoliberal vision of women as consumers in a marketplace, rather than as political subjects making demands of society and the state.

As Groome suggests, Democrats need to find a way of talking about women’s reproductive rights in terms of morality and values. But the traditionalist Catholic doctrines he promotes are hardly the last word on morality. Supporters of reproductive justice also have a powerful moral vision, one rooted in progressive values like ending economic and gender oppression, expanding liberty and creating a society that serves human needs.

Read the whole thing.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:34:34am
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:38:06am
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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:38:57am

I have no idea whether this will work to change the number of Democrats who win Congressional districts.

There are quite a few different dynamics at action in American politics today. Identity politics is certainly making itself felt. Some of the older economic insecurity (old age pensions, for example) issues are still important. The rise of the religious right is a response in part to the ongoing de-Christianization of society, which is happening albeit slowly.

I find it a bit self-defeating to declare there are no “litmus tests” when a party has a platform. Is not the platform the nexus of ideas and goals?

Given that some of the people on my Facebook wall who voted for Trump seemed to be mostly driven by fanaticism over abortion, it’s not hard to understand why this idea of no “litmus” on abortion came about.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:42:37am

Nope.

Hell no.

You do not embrace the positions of the enemy to beat them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:42:49am

What is the point of a Democratic Majority when it includes members who would side with the GOP? We could wind up with the same clusterf*ck that the GOP is having over health care.

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CriticalDragon1177  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:44:35am

Charles Johnson,

This is something that’s likely to help them lose elections, not win them, since they just eliminated a key distinction between the parties. The Republicans will also continue to impose an anti abortion litmus test on their candidates, especially when it comes to people they want to nominate as judges.

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nines09  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:45:28am

“And while we’re at it, fuck the Unions too! “

jfc

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:46:45am

Get on the phone, everyone. We need to remind them of what the party stands for. Dare I say this is as big a deal, if not bigger, than saving ACA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:46:50am

re: #8 nines09

“And while we’re at it, fuck the Unions too! “

jfc

And preserving ACA and Medicare is not that vital an issue either…

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:47:20am
Disregarding the human rights of 50% of the party’s planet’s membership is a terrible idea, and I predict if they follow through with it they’re going to see it backfire disastrously. If women’s rights aren’t a non-negotiable issue for the Democratic Party, what is?

Broadened that for you.

I am reminded of Trump’s action on day three of his pestidency: re-enacted and enlarged the Mexico City Policy.

Lujan should be demoted.

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:49:11am

re: #1 Interesting Times

Ugh. And they already had excellent advance warning about this issue here:

Democrats’ Waffling on Abortion Rights Isn’t Just Wrong, It’s a Huge Political Mistake

Lemme guess… this argument is coming from the same people who think “identity politics” is a loser.

It is true that back in the days when both parties were racist, homophobic and misogynist, Democrats and their progressive economics did have overwhelming electoral success.

Life then was pretty good for straight, white male Christians. Kinda sucked for everybody else, though.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:49:32am

re: #6 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What is the point of a Democratic Majority when it includes members who would side with the GOP? We could wind up with the same clusterf*ck that the GOP is having over health care.

We’ve been down this road before, it’s how the ACA became such a compromised mess, because the Blue Dogs in both houses would not agree to vote unless their conservative voters back home got some sort of assurance that funding wouldn’t go to abortion. Then the law passed and those same Blue Dogs got ran out on a rail in favor of Republicans who swore that they’d do everything they could to outlaw abortion.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:50:06am

What’s next, reclaiming “Dixiecrats”?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:50:41am
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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:50:45am

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

That’s the real prize.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:50:45am
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:50:46am

re: #4 freetoken

I have no idea whether this will work to change the number of Democrats who win Congressional districts.

There are quite a few different dynamics at action in American politics today. Identity politics is certainly making itself felt. Some of the older economic insecurity (old age pensions, for example) issues are still important. The rise of the religious right is a response in part to the ongoing de-Christianization of society, which is happening albeit slowly.

I find it a bit self-defeating to declare there are no “litmus tests” when a party has a platform. Is not the platform the nexus of ideas and goals?

Given that some of the people on my Facebook wall who voted for Trump seemed to be mostly driven by fanaticism over abortion, it’s not hard to understand why this idea of no “litmus” on abortion came about.

I am struggling mightily with this.

The whole abortion as a moral dilemma is abjectly stupid and to me abhorrent. Personally, as soon as you show any sway that abortion is a moral issue, you lose. Period. If it is morally wrong, it is wrong if you do it once or a million times. Abortion is removing a clump of cells. It is not a guarantee of a human being, it’s a potential person. If it cannot live outside of its host, it’s not a moral issue. (And third term abortions are to save either the mother or usually to remove a dead fetus. Third term abortions are a shiny object to get moral outrage geared to 1000.) The whole “as few as possible” when it comes to abortion is automatically ceding the moral argument. And to me, wrong. Abortions are surgical procedures and if a woman has 1000 abortions, so be it. No morality involved.

So, that’s my take on abortion.

But, that said, we have spoken many times about all politics being local. To get a democrat elected we might have to allow varying priorities throughout localities around the country.

**IF** people’s personal opinions are not going to affect their votes (a la Biden), this is a pill to be swallowed. Having democrats voting for anti-abortion legislation, that’s a completely different animal.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:52:06am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:52:16am

re: #18 MsJ

I am struggling mightily with this.

The whole abortion as a moral dilemma is abjectly stupid and to me abhorrent.

It is about punishing women who have sex outside marriage by making them bear and raise an unwanted, often fatherless child.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:55:56am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is about punishing women who have sex outside marriage by making them bear and raise an unwanted, often fatherless child.

No it’s not. It’s the only way they see to take the vote away from women. In their personal lives, where it counts the most. Talk about politics being local…

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:57:06am

Hey guys! I have an awesome idea! Let’s get rid of the Civil Rights Act so we can win votes in Mississippi!

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:58:59am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is about punishing women who have sex outside marriage by making them bear and raise an unwanted, often fatherless child.

I get that on the GOP side. I do not believe everyone feels that way (whether the result is the same or not, I get what you are saying). There are people who do not look at it as a way to punish women. They look at it from a moral perspective (religious women, for example. You don’t have anti-abortion 20 year olds who all want to play the vindictive card. Some believe that a child should be born and adopted.

The result is punishment to make a woman go through childbirth, but that’s not the intent.

I am about as pro-abortion as you could be…look at my take above. I, personally, think abortion is nothing more than a surgical procedure. I further think a fetus is a parasite
(the actual definition of a parasite) in that it cannot live without its host and it puts its host in a potentially deadly position of having to give birth because childbirth is not a simple thing and people do die in childbirth.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 10:59:59am

re: #18 MsJ

I am struggling mightily with this.

The whole abortion as a moral dilemma is abjectly stupid and to me abhorrent. Personally, as soon as you show any sway that abortion is a moral issue, you lose. Period. If it is morally wrong, it is wrong if you do it once or a million times. Abortion is removing a clump of cells. It is not a guarantee of a human being, it’s a potential person. If it cannot live outside of its host, it’s not a moral issue. (And third term abortions are to save either the mother or usually to remove a dead fetus. Third term abortions are a shiny object to get moral outrage geared to 1000.) The whole “as few as possible” when it comes to abortion is automatically ceding the moral argument. And to me, wrong. Abortions are surgical procedures and if a woman has 1000 abortions, so be it. No morality involved.

So, that’s my take on abortion.

But, that said, we have spoken many times about all politics being local. To get a democrat elected we might have to allow varying priorities throughout localities around the country.

**IF** people’s personal opinions are not going to affect their votes (a la Biden), this is a pill to be swallowed. Having democrats voting for anti-abortion legislation, that’s a completely different animal.

I see no struggle. You back candidates who are politically pro-choice. How they behave in their private lives matters not. Did I miss something?

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:02:32am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is about punishing women who have sex outside marriage by making them bear and raise an unwanted, often fatherless child.

It’s also about punishing wives who think reproduction is not their primary purpose in life (and husbands who agree with them).

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:03:33am

I understand 4chan will be drafting the budget.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:03:53am

re: #21 wrenchwench

No it’s not. It’s the only way they see to take the vote away from women. In their personal lives, where it counts the most. Talk about politics being local…

Not just a vote, but often a future, or at least a future that is not filled with hardship because getting an education and working while supporting an infant and then a child is very expensive and time consuming.

A woman who has a child has many more hurdles to jump through to succeed. And republicans don’t want to help, they solely want to punish (and if you really listen to many republican religious zealots, they want the woman to marry whomever the father is, thus further increasing hardship, whether he beats her, hates her, etc.) So mother and child bear the burden of a more difficult future.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:05:00am

As with any and all Democrat moves like this, this is ultimately futile and self-defeating.

Conservative cultists will never vote Democrat. Period. It doesn’t matter whether they agree with you on every single issue and the Republicans nominate an inanimate object, or worse, someone completely morally abhorrent, such as the president. It doesn’t matter if a Democrat walked up to them and gave them a job and cash personally. They will only vote for who they’re told to. And they always vote Republican. For as long as they have internet and cable TV, they will always, and only, vote Republican.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:05:21am

I’ll have to find someone to write to when I get home.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:06:23am

re: #27 MsJ

Not just a vote, but often a future, or at least a future that is not filled with hardship because getting an education and working while supporting an infant and then a child is very expensive and time consuming.

A woman who has a child has many more hurdles to jump through to succeed. And republicans don’t want to help, they solely want to punish (and if you really listen to many republican religious zealots, they want the woman to marry whomever the father is, thus further increasing hardship, whether he beats her, hates her, etc.) So mother and child bear the burden of a more difficult future.

Keeping the women and children down. More room for the others to rise to the top.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:07:08am

re: #24 wrenchwench

I see no struggle. You back candidates who are politically pro-choice. How they behave in their private lives matters not. Did I miss something?

Kinda. If they are pro-choice and have no way of getting elected in deep red places that someone pro-choice could never win, then we all lose because republicans these days are not sane. So we get idiots like Cotton, Walsh, etc., etc., etc.

Would I prefer pro-choice people. Absolutely. I would actually prefer that abortion not be used to justify religious zealotry. But would I prefer a person who doesn’t want abortion - but is willing to not vote against abortion initiatives - over a zealot? 100% yes. Absolutely.

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Interesting Times  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:09:33am

re: #28 Renaissance_Man

As with any and all Democrat moves like this, this is ultimately futile and self-defeating.

Conservative cultists will never vote Democrat. Period. It doesn’t matter whether they agree with you on every single issue and the Republicans nominate an inanimate object, or worse, someone completely morally abhorrent, such as the president. It doesn’t matter if a Democrat walked up to them and gave them a job and cash personally. They will only vote for who they’re told to. And they always vote Republican. For as long as they have internet and cable TV, they will always, and only, vote Republican.

Absolutely true. It’s enough to make me wonder if my BoB friend is right and the Democrats are run by a bunch of professional losers who indirectly enable the GOPer agenda -_- Otherwise, why the HELL aren’t they focused on a strategy to get NON-voters to the polls as opposed to a futile quixotic quest that will not only fail to win over rightwing cultists, but alienate the Democratic base??

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:11:20am
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Romantic Heretic  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:12:29am

Ya know, from here outside the States, it appears that you need two new political parties.

The GOP refuses to compromise on any of their principles, although none of their principles are worth shit. The Democrats are, apparently, willing to compromise on any principle no matter how important.

At the heart of both is pursuit of power for no other reason than to get power. Like dogs chasing a car they have no idea what to do with it once caught.

Except submit to their masters.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:12:47am

re: #31 MsJ

Kinda. If they are pro-choice and have no way of getting elected in deep red places that someone pro-choice could never win, then we all lose because republicans these days are not sane. So we get idiots like Cotton, Walsh, etc., etc., etc.

Would I prefer pro-choice people. Absolutely. I would actually prefer that abortion not be used to justify religious zealotry. But would I prefer a person who doesn’t want abortion - but is willing to not vote against abortion initiatives - over a zealot? 100% yes. Absolutely.

A respectable non-single-issue position.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:13:38am

I used to be very “pro-life” but even then I believed that abortion should always be allowed to save a woman’f life, or in case of rape or incest.

But after thinking about it, why should a rape victim have to be slut-shamed by providing all kinds of documentation proving that she was “legitimately” raped and therefore “deserving” of having an abortion?

I was also convinced that modern medicine could guarantee that the “life of the mother” could be spared without removing the fetus.

Then Savita Halappanavar died because her doctors were afraid to break the law.

Her life COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED but because of Ireland’s medieval abortion laws, her life wasn’t “in danger” until her condition had deteriorated to the point that she could no longer survive. A condition like pre-eclampsia can deteriorate in hours, but the legal system takes days, even weeks to get an override for prosecution for fetal murder.

“Saving a woman’s life” even if it includes removing the fetus BEFORE she enters an immediate life-threatening condition is a decision that should be made by THE PATIENT & MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ONLY not by lawmakers.

Having special “exceptions” for rape, incest, and “life of the mother” is NOT PRO-LIFE.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:13:40am

re: #32 Interesting Times

…why the HELL aren’t they focused on a strategy to get NON-voters to the polls as opposed to a futile quixotic quest that will not only fail to win over rightwing cultists, but alienate the Democratic base??

expanding the pie (market) is a much wiser strategy than slicing and dicing, fighting over pieces and crumbs of the existing pie.

there is a huge untapped market. easier to mint a new ally than make a convert (these days)

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:15:26am

Any hill is a good hill to die on, if dying is what you’re after.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:16:41am

re: #18 MsJ

I am struggling mightily with this.

The whole abortion as a moral dilemma is abjectly stupid and to me abhorrent. Personally, as soon as you show any sway that abortion is a moral issue, you lose. Period. If it is morally wrong, it is wrong if you do it once or a million times. Abortion is removing a clump of cells. It is not a guarantee of a human being, it’s a potential person. If it cannot live outside of its host, it’s not a moral issue. (And third term abortions are to save either the mother or usually to remove a dead fetus. Third term abortions are a shiny object to get moral outrage geared to 1000.) The whole “as few as possible” when it comes to abortion is automatically ceding the moral argument. And to me, wrong. Abortions are surgical procedures and if a woman has 1000 abortions, so be it. No morality involved.

So, that’s my take on abortion.

But, that said, we have spoken many times about all politics being local. To get a democrat elected we might have to allow varying priorities throughout localities around the country.

**IF** people’s personal opinions are not going to affect their votes (a la Biden), this is a pill to be swallowed. Having democrats voting for anti-abortion legislation, that’s a completely different animal.

I totally agree with everything you’ve said. And as to your last two paragraphs, the DCCC has kind of always supported some “personally pro-life” (I hate that term) Dems, but they haven’t run their mouths about it. Not saying I like it. But it happens all the time.

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Renaissance_Man  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:17:20am

re: #32 Interesting Times

Absolutely true. It’s enough to make me wonder if my BoB friend is right and the Democrats are run by a bunch of professional losers who indirectly enable the GOPer agenda -_- Otherwise, why the HELL aren’t they focused on a strategy to get NON-voters to the polls as opposed to a futile quixotic quest that will not only fail to win over rightwing cultists, but alienate the Democratic base??

Because, like basically everyone in the US, they follow the dominant media narrative. And the dominant media narrative blasted on every single network is that Democrats are too far left, they’ve become too liberal, blah blah total bullshit blah. If only Democrats would see sense, then maybe the nice white working class people would vote for them again.

Fuck the cultural supremacy of this mythological white working class. For decades, US media has done everything possible to reinforce it and pander to their self-image.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:17:39am

Democrats are so afraid of being called “intolerant” by not welcoming racist, anti-choice bigoted white people, while Republicans will embrace all kinds of abhorrent ideas while rejecting minorities, women, people of color, gays, transgenders and non-Christians.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:17:57am

re: #37 dangerman

expanding the pie (market) is a much wiser strategy than slicing and dicing, fighting over pieces and crumbs of the existing pie.

there is a huge untapped market. easier to mint a new ally than make a convert (these days)

There is little pie expansion when we have local elected officials who are republican nuts. When we have the electoral college with no way to make inroads into deep red states.

We can further expand cities, but rural areas who have been brainwashed by 25+ years of Limbaugh and Fox (and now the real loonies) make inroads into those places, the places we need to win elections top to bottom, much harder.

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retired cynic  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:18:12am

re: #39 BeachDem

Fred Clark at Slacktivist is about as good a religious voice on the history of abortion as a knee jerk issue as anyone. He might help clarify things.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:20:59am

re: #39 BeachDem

I totally agree with everything you’ve said. And as to your last two paragraphs, the DCCC has kind of always supported some “personally pro-life” (I hate that term) Dems, but they haven’t run their mouths about it. Not saying I like it. But it happens all the time.

One of them was Harry Reid.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:21:40am
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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:21:40am

Critics on both sides are saying the DNC doesn’t seem to stand for anything but anti-Trump sentiment. There’s all sorts of criticism about how it seems the DNC isn’t embracing progressive ideals. So the solution the party decides is to just go ahead and prove those critics right, while signaling that regressive ideals will be welcome in the party if it wins us a few white male votes.

FFS, this is how the DNC pulls defeat from the jaws of victory, by second-guessing itself at a time when it can least afford to do so.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:21:51am

re: #32 Interesting Times

Absolutely true. It’s enough to make me wonder if my BoB friend is right and the Democrats are run by a bunch of professional losers who indirectly enable the GOPer agenda -_- Otherwise, why the HELL aren’t they focused on a strategy to get NON-voters to the polls as opposed to a futile quixotic quest that will not only fail to win over rightwing cultists, but alienate the Democratic base??

As Charlie Pierce says:

The only way for the Democrats to weaponize properly the fact that we are now being governed by a claque of dimwitted saloon bouncers is for the party not to be overly concerned about insulting the people who put the claque of dimwitted saloon bouncers into office.
esquire.com

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BlueGrl21  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:22:17am

As much as I loathe the idea of an ideological litmus test, this one is a hill to die on.

People may be morally opposed to abortion in their private lives, fine. That’s their private lives. They don’t get to make or vote for legislation based on what their private choice would be. This is not difficult. Joe Biden managed to be strongly pro-choice and women’s rights throughout his career while having a private religious faith that was anti-abortion. So has Tim Kaine.

If someone votes as a Democrat on 99% of issues but votes against abortion rights, do we not want them for that 99%? Well, the fact is, I know of no politician that straddles that fence. I know of no pro-life argument that does not come from personal faith, and that faith comes with a whole set of other beliefs. I am sure there are some outliers out there with some random academic argument that is “liberal pro-life” but it would be way outside the norm.

So the idea of a Democrat that votes with us except on this ONE issue is a red herring. Not how today’s politics work. Voting pro-life comes with a lot of other baggage.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:22:56am

re: #39 BeachDem

I totally agree with everything you’ve said. And as to your last two paragraphs, the DCCC has kind of always supported some “personally pro-life” (I hate that term) Dems, but they haven’t run their mouths about it. Not saying I like it. But it happens all the time.

I don’t even like voicing the stuff I said above. But there is political reality.

We have not been able to re-frame Pro-Life (because they are not). We cannot get away from Pro-Abortion (v pro-choice) which right wing nuts always see as pro-murder.

You can’t discuss science any longer without bringing religious fundamentalism into the fray (creationism, intelligent design, etc.). How do we get the science concerning zygotes vs embryo vs fetus vs baby into any discussion without being labeled murderers?

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:25:17am

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Any hill is a good hill to die on, if dying is what you’re after.

Trump is going to make America die on the hill of his ego.

Anyway, politics is the art of compromise.

This issue - of abortion - to me seems like one of those issues over which compromise is quite difficult for most people. That is understandable.

So if this issue is uncompromisable, then our politics is going to get quite distorted in an attempt to accommodate immovable voting blocs.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:25:40am

re: #48 BlueGrl21

That’s pretty much how I see it. There’s really no point in having a Democratic elected official that doesn’t vote pro-choice.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:26:38am

The only way the abortion issue allows for compromise is by allowing for safe, legal abortions.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:27:56am

I am saying that the people who claim they are “Pro-Life” ARE NOT ACTUALLY PRO LIFE because their policies cause people to die.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:28:00am

re: #50 freetoken

Trump is going to make America die on the hill of his ego.

Anyway, politics is the art of compromise.

This issue - of abortion - to me seems like one of those issues over which compromise is quite difficult for most people. That is understandable.

So if this issue is uncompromisable, then our politics is going to get quite distorted in an attempt to accommodate immovable voting blocs.

I’m an old-style Dem. I’ll take help from any miserable motherfucker who will help with half my goals if the alternative is certain, and perhaps permanent, frustration of those goals.

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Interesting Times  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:29:09am

re: #49 MsJ

You can’t discuss science any longer without bringing religious fundamentalism into the fray (creationism, intelligent design, etc.). How do we get the science concerning zygotes vs embryo vs fetus vs baby into any discussion without being labeled murderers?

As per the article I posted above, reframe the issue as Reproductive Justice:

Abortion is, of course, also an economic issue. This is an idea we’re hearing a lot about these days, but since many progressives still have not fully integrated it into their worldview, it bears repeating.

Abortion is an economic issue in two senses: First of all, it is about what class of women gets an abortion, and thus is most profoundly affected when abortion access is denied. Poor women have a rate of unintended pregnancy five times the rate of higher-income women (those with incomes at least 200 percent of the poverty level), and fully 75 percent of women who have abortions are poor or low-income.

And:

Parker, whom In These Times profiled in 2015, is an African-American ob-gyn who every day risks his life by performing abortions in the Deep South, where other doctors refuse because of violent threats. He is also a devout Christian who approaches his calling with a powerful sense of religious mission. “I believe that as an abortion provider, I am doing God’s work,” he writes. For Parker, providing abortions for the women who need them is an act of radical Christian love, because “alleviating needless suffering is a Christian’s most sacred responsibility.”

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:29:46am

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:30:02am

re: #42 MsJ

There is little pie expansion when we have local elected officials who are republican nuts. When we have the electoral college with no way to make inroads into deep red states.

We can further expand cities, but rural areas who have been brainwashed by 25+ years of Limbaugh and Fox (and now the real loonies) make inroads into those places, the places we need to win elections top to bottom, much harder.

well as with all market research, first identify how many are not voting / participating and why. the answer to that question tells you whether talking to them and registering them is worthwhile. i’m talking macro, not micro

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:30:15am

Speaking of “choice”==>

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:30:24am

re: #46 Targetpractice

Critics on both sides are saying the DNC doesn’t seem to stand for anything but anti-Trump sentiment. There’s all sorts of criticism about how it seems the DNC isn’t embracing progressive ideals. […]

I’m not up on all the critiques of the current DNC.

But your point is one I can embrace.

Why not, instead of saying there are no litmus tests, come out with a positive statement of the Democratic Party’s goals are for America? Why not put central in the public eye talking points like assured equality of all people, of access to opportunities for all people, of a sound Social Security, etc.

It seems to me it is easier to catch more flies with honey than with a blank piece of paper.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:32:08am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Another high-schooler for Trump.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:32:24am

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

[a good part of a good comment removed…]

A condition like pre-eclampsia can deteriorate in hours, but the legal system takes days, even weeks to get an override for prosecution for fetal murder.

“Saving a woman’s life” even if it includes removing the fetus BEFORE she enters an immediate life-threatening condition is a decision that should be made by THE PATIENT & MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ONLY not by lawmakers.

Having special “exceptions” for rape, incest, and “life of the mother” is NOT PRO-LIFE.

I never heard of placenta accreta until last week, yet it rivals pre-eclampsia in killing mothers. Abortion has less risk than birth, even without such conditions.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:33:53am
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:35:18am

re: #55 Interesting Times

Abortion is, of course, also an economic issue. This is an idea we’re hearing a lot about these days, but since many progressives still have not fully integrated it into their worldview, it bears repeating.

I believe that I read not too long ago that the majority of abortions performed are on married women who already have children and cannot afford to have or cannot take care of any more.

I can’t imagine having a child knowing I could not take care of it. And I cannot imagine being forced to give birth. Both concepts are completely and absolutely abhorrent to me.

I appreciate what that doctor said and for what he does. I would still like religion and science (much like religion and state) to stand alone.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:35:19am

re: #62 jaunte

That’s great news, especially since Arpaio could go into the dictionary definition of ‘contempt of court’.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:35:40am

we’re dealing with two issues at the same time:
1. abortion
2. whether this is a good political policy

unfortunately the framing of the first has an effect on the second

as msj said “The whole abortion as a moral dilemma is abjectly stupid”

in the usa, it should be a constitutional argument

i have to go out - i’ll explain later , if the place is still here

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:36:44am

re: #62 jaunte

[Sentencing set for 10/5/17 10am]

Pink underwear! On his head!

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:36:58am

Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

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jeffreyw  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:00am

Imgur


Marching to a different drumstick.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:04am

re: #62 jaunte

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When does Trump announce his pardon?

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BlueGrl21  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:14am

re: #54 Decatur Deb

I’m an old-style Dem. I’ll take help from any miserable motherfucker who will help with half my goals if the alternative is certain, and perhaps permanent, frustration of those goals.

I’m a Texas Dem. There is no other way to function and stay sane.

But I think the idea of a mystical pony Democrat that is pro-life but is with us on other issues is just not how things work today. Voting pro-life is a set of faith values. Which is why the party is changing the platform….so that candidates can adapt to the faith values of their constituents.

Again, I’m not in favor of ideological purity tests. We see hybrids like anti gun-control Democrats. But i just don’t see it when it comes to abortion rights.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:35am

re: #67 jaunte

Wait… what?

So soon?

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:45am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

Fuck, that was fast.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:46am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

NO CHAOS IN WH!!!! ALL IS WELL!!!!!

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:38:14am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

And what we did know, we needed industrial strength soap to wash off.

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Franklin  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:38:31am

NEWS:

RELATED:

Benny Hill Theme

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:38:50am
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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:39:22am

re: #70 BlueGrl21

voting pro-life is a set of faith values.

Rendered even more complex when it appears the same set of values is linked to racism.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:39:34am

re: #70 BlueGrl21

But I think the idea of a mystical pony Democrat that is pro-life but is with us on other issues is just not how things work today.

Once again, until 2017, we had one as the leader of Senate Democrats.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:39:56am

If you wonder why Mooch is out…watch this video. This is the craziest stuff I think I have ever seen in politics. Dude is freaking nuts.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:40:45am

Scaramucci is OUT! This is fucking insane.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:40:49am
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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:40:54am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

I heard his days were numbered.

One is the loneliest number .

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:40:59am

The Mooch just resigned!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:21am

Lmao

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:33am

I’ve seen douchebags on fire off the shoulder of O’Bannon…

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:34am

re: #70 BlueGrl21

I’m a Texas Dem. There is no other way to function and stay sane.

But I think the idea of a mystical pony Democrat that is pro-life but is with us on other issues is just not how things work today. Voting pro-life is a set of faith values. Which is why the party is changing the platform….so that candidates can adapt to the faith values of their constituents.

Again, I’m not in favor of ideological purity tests. We see hybrids like anti gun-control Democrats. But i just don’t see it when it comes to abortion rights.

As a Dem operating in the AL-FL area, my first thought ran to the critical influence of the African American churches. We can’t afford to lose them, and their battle for racial justice cannot afford to lose middle class White women. It’s fun to be a Dem.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:43am

Hmmmmmm…something’s telling me I know who will be Hannity’s Special Guest tonight…

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:46am

re: #77 jaunte

Rendered even more complex when it appears the same set of values is linked to racism.

Perceived racism. I think more white women have abortions than WOC.

Much like more white people get food stamps and other government help than POC.

So it is perception that is racist (in the eye of the racist beholder) vs. the reality which is neither racist or not..it’s just what it is.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:58am

Sigh. Sigh. Sigh.

By doing this, the Democrats are putting this issue to the forefront which is just fucking stupid. The vast majority of Americans do not think this should be a reason to elect or not elect anyone. I see no other medical procedure shamed and policed like this. They got their fucking Hyde Amendment and it’s STILL not enough for them.

Goddamnit. This country has so many other huge problems to fix, the Democrats need to be putting out press releases about those issues and an outline of a plan to fix them. We need to fix our messed up education system, both primary and secondary. We need to get to some form of universal healthcare and figure out ways to bring down costs. We have infrastructure that is literally falling apart. In some areas the development and destruction of land is out of control, while just down the road huge buildings and homes are sitting empty and decaying (I cannot be the only person living in an area like this), we have homelessness and poverty beyond any excusable level, guns are now fetish items and the list is endless. What a woman in the position of what to do about her reproductive health should be no one’s fucking business.

Yeah, I’m getting on the phone to my state level Dems and the national offices, this is just bullshit. Where are the Democratic women in leadership on this? They need to stand up now. Someone needs an Auntie Maxine to grab him by the ear and tell him to stfu. GAH.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:42:15am
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:42:15am

re: #78 Belafon

Once again, until 2017, we had one as the leader of Senate Democrats.

And as Vice President.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:42:21am

So in less than two weeks, Mooch comes in and runs off two key White House staff, boasts about he reports directly to Trump rather than the replacement Chief of Staff, and then gets his ass shit-canned before CoB Monday.

Now we all get whiplash as the wingnut chorus who was just singing Mooch’s praises now pat Kelly on the back for firing his ass.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:43:43am

re: #78 Belafon

Once again, until 2017, we had one as the leader of Senate Democrats.

It gets confusing when the personal and political are conflated. Politically Reid was pro-choice. He voted that way consistently, AFAIK. His personal views on the subject are mostly irrelevant.

If the Democrats are considering running candidates who would vote anti-choice, that would be a change from before, and not a change for the better IMO.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:44:32am

The more pressure from Russia or Mueller, the more chaos in the White House.

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piratedan  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:44:36am

re: #89 A Mom Anon

agreed..

by all means lets introduce the fucking culture war memes while all this shit is going on…

fucking own goal..

we have healthcare, income inequality, foriegn policy, treason, dark money in elections and you come to the fucking podium with THIS? I’m sure that THIS is the topic that will get voters to the polls.

stupid af

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Timothy Watson  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:45:10am

re: #90 Kragar

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Somebody told Trump about all the negative things Mook had said about him before.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:45:37am

re: #93 EPR-radar

It gets confusing when the personal and political are conflated. Politically Reid was pro-choice. He voted that way consistently, AFAIK. His personal views on the subject are mostly irrelevant.

If the Democrats are considering running candidates who would vote anti-choice, that would be a change from before, and not a change for the better IMO.

And one I would wholly and completely be against.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:45:50am
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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:46:10am

re: #78 Belafon

Once again, until 2017, we had one as the leader of Senate Democrats.

And other than running their mouths about it, this is not new:

in the 2006 midterm elections, the party recruited — and supported financially — a significant number of Democrats who did not entirely support abortion rights, including former Reps. Brad Ellsworth (Ind.), Baron Hill (Ind.), Heath Shuler (N.C.) and Jason Altmire (Pa.).

“Both [then-DCCC Chairman] Rahm Emanuel and [then-Democratic National Committee Chairman] Howard Dean with his 50 state strategy understood that in order to win districts that had eluded Democrats in previous cycles, they were going to have to field candidates who didn’t look like national Democrats,” Altmire told The Hill. “People understood the class of ‘06 was driven largely by the centrist candidates.”

thehill.com

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:46:13am

re: #92 Targetpractice

So in less than two weeks, Mooch comes in and runs off two key White House staff, boasts about he reports directly to Trump rather than the replacement Chief of Staff, and then gets his ass shit-canned before CoB Monday.

Now we all get whiplash as the wingnut chorus who was just singing Mooch’s praises now pat Kelly on the back for firing his ass.

What I see here is that tr*mp really is a weathervane, heavily influenced by the most recent conversation he’s had. So if Kelly wanted the Mooch gone, all he had to do was make sure he got a conversation with tr*mp that ended with ‘fire the Mooch’ and act immediately on it.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:46:19am

Someone must have told Trump about Mooch’s gay porn fetish.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:46:26am

Cornyn being Cornym.

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Franklin  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:46:54am

re: #98 MsJ

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Market certainty is a hell of a drug. More please!

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:47:22am

Maggie, she of palace intrigue, says:

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:47:31am

So what now, does Huckabooboo get promoted to Communications Director via Klingon promotion?

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:47:37am

re: #102 MsJ

Cornyn being Cornym.

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That idiot is one my state’s senators, I’m sorry.

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Skip Intro  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:47:55am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

He was always better suited for the Department of Wet Work anyway.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:48:20am

re: #90 Kragar

Wait whut?

LOL

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:48:58am

I wonder if the Chinese will want to buy his company now.

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Franklin  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:49:07am

re: #106 Ace Rothstein

That idiot is one my state’s senators, I’m sorry.

And the other idiot is an idiot too!

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:49:32am

re: #105 Targetpractice

So what now, does Huckabooboo get promoted to Communications Director via Klingon promotion?

She will pay the Iron Price.

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lizardofid  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:49:43am

re: #86 Decatur Deb

As a Dem operating in the AL-FL area, my first thought ran to the critical influence of the African American churches. We can’t afford to lose them, and their battle for racial justice cannot afford to lose middle class White women. It’s fun to be a Dem.

Asymmetric politics?

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A Mom Anon  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:49:48am

re: #95 piratedan

I get that this may be an issue for some churches that consistently vote Democratic. I am a white woman, when I first came to Atlanta (many many years ago) I was actually welcomed into two African American churches. I don’t ever remember this being talked about either from the pulpit or in study groups, potluck suppers or even social justice related meetings the churches had. They were more concerned with police brutality, poverty, street violence, homelessness and education.

I would love to hear the logic behind this announcement. I really would.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:50:01am
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Skip Intro  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:50:11am

Next Kelly should remove Javanka from the West Wing.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:50:11am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

LOL, do Spicey and Preibus get their jobs back now?

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:50:50am

re: #115 Skip Intro

Next Kelly should remove Javanka from the West Wing.

I do not see that as being even remotely possible.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:51:07am

re: #93 EPR-radar

It gets confusing when the personal and political are conflated. Politically Reid was pro-choice. He voted that way consistently, AFAIK. His personal views on the subject are mostly irrelevant.

If the Democrats are considering running candidates who would vote anti-choice, that would be a change from before, and not a change for the better IMO.

Agree. At the Democratic luncheon I went to recently, abortion was brought up. The position of the leadership was basically that they were against abortion personally, but they weren’t going to impose the choice for others. They wanted “safe, legal, and rare.”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:51:10am

re: #112 lizardofid

Asymmetric politics?

All politics is Vogon.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:51:19am

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Scaramucci is OUT! This is fucking insane.

The BEST people!

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:03am

Is this the first White House hire to be fired before his start date?

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:08am

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Scaramucci is OUT! This is fucking insane.

Spicer Scar, we hardly knew ye

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Timothy Watson  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:23am

The A Team lasted six months, the B Team lasted two weeks, how long will the C Team last?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:24am
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BlueGrl21  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:35am

re: #91 MsJ

And as Vice President.

Reid talked about being pro-life but didn’t necessarily vote that way, especially later in his career.

Biden always voted pro-choice even though he was personally pro-life.

I’m concerned about how they would vote, not their personal stances on abortion.

But, more importantly, The Mooch has left the building. I’m a bit sad. He was my favorite member of Trump’s administration for comedic potential.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:44am

Office Trumper still thinks things are going fine.

He also thinks empyting out the State Dept is great for America.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:53:05am

re: #113 A Mom Anon

I get that this may be an issue for some churches that consistently vote Democratic. I am a white woman, when I first came to Atlanta (many many years ago) I was actually welcomed into two African American churches. I don’t ever remember this being talked about either from the pulpit or in study groups, potluck suppers or even social justice related meetings the churches had. They were more concerned with police brutality, poverty, street violence, homelessness and education.

I would love to hear the logic behind this announcement. I really would.

Atlanta isn’t Two Egg.

en.wikipedia.org

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:53:13am

Mook…

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

[catches breath]

HAWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAAAAAHAAAA….

[faints]

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:53:16am

re: #126 Kragar

Show him that Vanity Fair article on the Energy Department.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:54:04am

re: #129 jaunte

Show him that Vanity Fair article on the Energy Department.

He wouldn’t read it. “Fake news”, dontcha know?

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:54:40am

re: #129 jaunte

Show him that Vanity Fair article on the Energy Department.

Scariest goddamned thing I have read in the era of trump. Seriously, that was terrifying.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:54:47am

I guess Mooch now gets to find out the reason you’re supposed to be nice to the people you meet on the way up.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:54:50am

re: #104 BeachDem

Maggie, she of palace intrigue, says:

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Letting the Mooch remain in any capacity would be a colossal mistake. He’s metaphysically incapable of learning from his mistakes or controlling his rages and it’s hard enough dealing with those same traits in the President. All keeping Scaramucci on would accomplish is proving yet again that this Administration is utterly hopeless.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:55:22am

EL OH EL

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:55:41am

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

Letting the Mooch remain in any capacity would be a colossal mistake. He’s metaphysically incapable of learning from his mistakes or controlling his rages and it’s hard enough dealing with those same traits in the President. All keeping Scaramucci on would accomplish is proving yet again that this Administration is utterly hopeless.

Which means Trump will do it in a heartbeat.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:10am

re: #115 Skip Intro

Next Kelly should remove Javanka from the West Wing.

But her re-decorated all white office! On our dime!

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:10am

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

Letting the Mooch remain in any capacity would be a colossal mistake. He’s metaphysically incapable of learning from his mistakes or controlling his rages and it’s hard enough dealing with those same traits in the President. All keeping Scaramucci on would accomplish is proving yet again that this Administration is utterly hopeless.

In other words, he’s Trump with better neckwear.

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Kilroy was here  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:14am

Comedians the country over are crying out in horror at the firing of Scaramucci.
All that low hanging fruit gone to waste.

Sad

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:16am
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lizardofid  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:40am

re: #119 Decatur Deb

All politics is Vogon.

Only slightly more complicated than a diagram of middle east proxies and alliances.

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Mike Lamb  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:54am

So I’m torn on this, at least in terms of actual impact. I’m not going to sit at home/not vote Democrat if my local or national candidate is pro-choice just because a Dem candidate in Kentucky is anti-choice. I would hope others feel similarly.

But I’m certainly not voting for anyone that is anti-choice just because there is a “D” behind their name.

And I think the circumstances in which a person is anti-choice, but is otherwise reliably Democrat are pretty narrow. So who would we be electing? Manchin is about as blue dog as it gets, but he still (usually) helps move the ball down the field…

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:57:26am

re: #139 jaunte

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:57:52am

re: #114 MsJ

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:58:48am

Schrodinger’s Comms Director

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:59:00am
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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:59:19am

I blinked, and Mooch lost his job.

If I blink again, will Trump lose his, too?

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:59:20am

re: #139 jaunte

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OMG that was hilarious.

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Ace Rothstein  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:59:26am

Scaramucci resigning to spend less time with his family.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 11:59:54am

it is not a moral question and should never be framed that way

if you have moral concerns you should speak to someone who can help you come to terms with the reality of your having moral concerns over someone else’s legal behavior

there are in fact many such examples - how tax money is spent, certain financial and business dealings, use of alcohol, divorce, unmarried-consensual-adult sex, use of contraception, appropriate dress, tattoos, piercings etc — things you find morally wrong that you would never do that still are legal and actually quite widespread

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:00:45pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:00:48pm

Everything the yam touches dies.

His life is so fucked up now.

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William Lewis  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:00:59pm

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

I am saying that the people who claim they are “Pro-Life” ARE NOT ACTUALLY PRO LIFE because their policies cause people to die.

This is a far more important formation of the issue to use. Throw it in their faces: They can not be Pro-Life while they starve children, while they prevent children from getting health care, while they destroy education, while the child does not have a warm and safe home with parents who make a living wage.

Reproductive rights are a critical part of this but the most effective rhetorical element would be to remind people of this:

“I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.”

Sister Joan Chittister, O.S.B

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:02:08pm

We go live to the White House Press Room to get a statement:

Han Solo All Fine Here

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:02:15pm

The new clock is running.

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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:02:46pm
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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:03:01pm
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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:03:03pm
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A Mom Anon  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:03:30pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

I understand that. But aren’t there other issues that Democrats could use to court those small town people? My family is from a teeny little burg in SE Ohio. The place has been ravaged by factories packing up and leaving nothing to replace those jobs. The town is right off of what’s called the Heroin Highway (State Route 33). I don’t think abortion is on the top of anyone’s list there. If Democrats went into those areas and had solid plans on what to do about addiction, poverty and unemployment, they’d be able to win. Those places are hanging on by a thread and most of the hope and optimism is gone.

I know the South is a different culture in many ways (I’ve lived in GA for over 30 years now), but it wouldn’t kill our party to begin appealing to the shit that worries people in their day to day lives instead of dragging up culture war shit over and over. If the other side does it, then we fight back with “and how does that help the cost of college, or keeping food on the table, or fixing the broken water pipes?” I don’t get why this is so hard.

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fern01  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:03:50pm

re: #126 Kragar

Office Trumper still thinks things are going fine.

He also thinks empyting out the State Dept is great for America.

Do believe this is the hill that will bring trump down. Not sure if there are any nations left he could call friends of the US, now he has lost Russia. The situation with NK will not be solved by tweeting commands to China.

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:04:04pm

re: #146 wheat-dogg

I blinked, and Mooch lost his job.

If I blink again, will Trump lose his, too?

Worth a shot. Go for it.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:04:07pm

And now, a dozen Chaos vs. 2D Chess essays.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:04:12pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

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Ah, shit, I hope Trump is watching CNN when they air that story.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:04:15pm

re: #150 jaunte

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That would be some brilliant dark humor; Kelly says, “Mr. President, after careful consideration and reflection, I’ve come to the conclusion that you are the problem. Resign.”

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:04:48pm

re: #156 freetoken

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The last words that Mooch heard were “Reince sends his regards.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:05:08pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

MSNBC’s @SRuhle just now: she spoke to Anthony Scaramucci last night and he had no idea this was coming…

— Yashar Ali

Hey Mooch, remember that day, was it just Friday, when you got Rinse kicked off the plane and the former CoS got shitcanned? Man, that was fun, totally alpha male stuff.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:05:40pm

My next book: The Rise and Fall of Mooch Scaramucci.

/

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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:05:48pm

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

That would be some brilliant dark humor; Kelly says, “Mr. President, after careful consideration and reflection, I’ve come to the conclusion that you are the problem. Resign.”

They could slip a boilerplate resignation letter into the stack of EOs Trump signs, and he’d sign it without reading it.

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:06:05pm
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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:06:15pm

This is fucking surreal, you guys.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:06:23pm

re: #158 A Mom Anon

I understand that. But aren’t there other issues that Democrats could use to court those small town people? My family is from a teeny little burg in SE Ohio. The place has been ravaged by factories packing up and leaving nothing to replace those jobs. The town is right off of what’s called the Heroin Highway (State Route 33). I don’t think abortion is on the top of anyone’s list there. If Democrats went into those areas and had solid plans on what to do about addiction, poverty and unemployment, they’d be able to win. Those places are hanging on by a thread and most of the hope and optimism is gone.

I know the South is a different culture in many ways (I’ve lived in GA for over 30 years now), but it wouldn’t kill our party to begin appealing to the shit that worries people in their day to day lives instead of dragging up culture war shit over and over. If the other side does it, then we fight back with “and how does that help the cost of college, or keeping food on the table, or fixing the broken water pipes?” I don’t get why this is so hard.

Not saying this was a particularly bright idea to bring to the forefront. It’s smarter than gun control, around here, however.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:06:55pm

re: #169 makeitstop

This is fucking surreal, you guys.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:06:59pm

And the leaks continue

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:07:51pm

So, how long before we find out that Mooch also got fired in the most indirect and passive aggressive way possible?

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KGxvi  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:08:17pm

Somewhere, Aaron Sorkin is working on a pitch for a relaunch of West Wing

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:08:37pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

So, how long before we find out that Mooch also got fired in the most indirect and passive aggressive way possible?

By Tweet?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:08:57pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Somewhere, Aaron Sorkin is working on a pitch for a relaunch of West Wing

Michael Bay directing, lots of CGI.

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John Carter  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:09:33pm

re: #123 Timothy Watson

The A Team lasted six months, the B Team lasted two weeks, how long will the C Team last?

We will have a double Kiaju by Christmas.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:09:46pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

White House makes it official: “Mr. Scaramucci felt it was best to give Chief of Staff John Kelly a clean slate”
— Matt Viser

Mooch: Oh yeah, I resigned yesterday, privately.

/

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nines09  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:09:48pm

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:10:31pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:10:46pm

I’m so old, I remember when Obama told people to keep enough air in their tires to save gas was a controversy.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:11:13pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

John Kelly called James Comey after he was fired and said he was considering resigning in solidarity, sources say
— CNN Politics

The MAGAbots will go crazy when they hear this.

Wait, what am I saying? Nah.

CNN FAKE News!!!!1 Kelly is the best!

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A Mom Anon  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:12:14pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

The gun thing is big deal around here too. I just don’t get what is stopping Democrats from using that “Pro Life” nonsense to actually BE for people having better lives. Healthcare, Education, Affordable Housing, Infrastructure, Jobs and Training, stuff like that. Take that to the people, hammer on it, HARD. If Republicans want to do their culture crap, let ‘em, but take the argument back to what matters. At the end of the day, when an exhausted parent falls into bed at night, I kinda doubt that most of them are worried some woman somewhere is getting an abortion in the morning. I do not get why we haven’t been doing that. It’s frustrating.

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:13:04pm

This also happened.

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:13:12pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Michael Bay directing, lots of CGI.

I’m thinking Quentin Tarantino.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:13:50pm

re: #159 fern01

Do believe this is the hill that will bring trump down. Not sure if there are any nations left he could call friends of the US, now he has lost Russia. The situation with NK will not be solved by tweeting commands to China.

Think about that. they’re prosecuting foreign policy via Twitter

They have no idea what to do and think this is a good idea

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:14:00pm

re: #185 sagehen

I’m thinking Quentin Tarantino.

Woody Harrelson to play CoS Kelly.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:14:06pm

But now I’mma wondering about Kelly - after all, it’s being reported that he called Comey to express anger over his firing by Trump.

What’s gonna happen when Trump gets wind of that? Is Kelly the next to go? After all, for Trump, loyalty (to him) is the only thing.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:14:16pm

re: #181 Ace Rothstein

I’m so old, I remember when Obama told people to keep enough air in their tires to save gas was a controversy.

No kidding. “Central planning! Micro manangement! They think they’re smarter than us!”
foxnews.com

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Myron Falwell  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:14:36pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Somewhere, Aaron Sorkin is working on a pitch for a relaunch of West Wing

Starring the ghost of Benny Hill.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:14:55pm

A tweet for every occasion:

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:15:30pm

re: #166 Sir John Barron

My next book: The Rise and Fall of Mooch Scaramucci.

/

Shortest book in history. :-)

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:15:49pm

Escorted out. It’s gets worse with every firing.

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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:16:10pm

* Sees social media accounts exploding *
K, went out on errands a few hours ago, what’d I miss? /

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:16:14pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Escorted out. It’s gets worse with every firing.

It will end with firing squads?

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:16:19pm

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

But now I’mma wondering about Kelly - after all, it’s being reported that he called Comey to express anger over his firing by Trump.

What’s gonna happen when Trump gets wind of that? Is Kelly the next to go? After all, for Trump, loyalty (to him) is the only thing.

Chaos.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:16:59pm

re: #193 jaunte

Anthony Scaramucci was escorted from White House grounds today after ouster, per source familiar with the scene

Escorted out. It’s gets worse with every firing.

Have to shake him down for Executive Seal M&Ms.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:17:15pm

So Mooch ran Rinsed out as a “leaker,” yet now leaks are how we’re finding out he was basically whacked without warning.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:17:21pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Somewhere, Aaron Sorkin is working on a pitch for a relaunch of West Wing

I think Sorkin, like Coban, is saying I COULDN’T WRITE THIS SHIT BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD EVER BELIEVE IT! AAARRRGGGHHHH! but that’s just me.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:17:42pm

re: #195 freetoken

It will end with firing squads?

The Kim model is to use anti-aircraft artillery.

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Kilroy was here  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:17:49pm

re: #192 MsJ

Shortest book Pamphlet in history. :-)

FIFY

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:09pm

re: #195 freetoken

It will end with firing squads?

“Report to Carousel.”

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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:13pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

So Mooch ran Rinsed out as a “leaker,” yet now leaks are how we’re finding out he was basically whacked without warning.

Who got the canoli?

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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:14pm

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

But now I’mma wondering about Kelly - after all, it’s being reported that he called Comey to express anger over his firing by Trump.

What’s gonna happen when Trump gets wind of that? Is Kelly the next to go? After all, for Trump, loyalty (to him) is the only thing.

I’d bet good money on Kelly being the next to head out…

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:14pm

The Onion has again filed bankruptcy, declared reality has far surpassed parody.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:39pm

How horrible of a human being do you have to be for Trump to fire your ass THAT quickly?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:50pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

“Report to Carousel.”

Upding for the Logan’s Run reference. :)

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:56pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

So Mooch ran was Rinsed out .

Works that way too.

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:19:02pm

re: #154 jaunte

[Embedded content]

The new clock is running.

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

Trump may not believe it or may forgive him.But he will always mistrust him from here on in.

Whoever leaked this knew they were driving a wedge in between Trump and his new General.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:19:54pm

re: #204 Archangelus

I’d bet good money on Kelly being the next to head out…

I wouldn’t be surprised and maybe in Kelly’s case, voluntarily. He’s an old military guy, and he’d be the first to recognize FUBAR when he sees it.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:21:05pm

Kelly gets a momentary feeling of power, but that’ll last right up until he realizes that his power is limited. The moment he locks horns with one of the Trump spawn and tries to run them out of the White House, the clock will start ticking.

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austin_blue  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:21:25pm

re: #196 wrenchwench

Chaos.

Inorite?

He was in, what, two weekends? Five/six working days?

You over-rev the engine and it starts throwing cylinders and piston rods. This is Trumpworld. It’s just as insane as can be.

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Franklin  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:21:33pm

re: #184 makeitstop

This also happened.

[Embedded content]

Ha ha!

The jailer is now the…person that…spends…time in…jail.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:21:39pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

So Mooch ran Rinsed out as a “leaker,” yet now leaks are how we’re finding out he was basically whacked without warning.

And leaks are starting on John Kelly. Wowsers.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:21:44pm

re: #194 Archangelus

* Sees social media accounts exploding *
K, went out on errands a few hours ago, what’d I miss? /

Look, there is no going on errands thing while DJT is president.

//

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:22:04pm

This is a great opportunity for DWTS to bring some heat to their next show.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:22:11pm

re: #212 austin_blue

Inorite?

He was in, what, two weekends? Five/six working days?

You over-rev the engine and it starts throwing cylinders and piston rods. This is Trumpworld. It’s just as insane as can be.

Someone above mentioned his starting date. Not sure he got on the payroll.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:23:42pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:23:49pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:23:55pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Someone above mentioned his starting date. Not sure he got on the payroll.

Probably not. He started only 10 days ago.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:24:51pm

re: #177 John Carter

We will have a double Kiaju by Christmas.

Too good not to steal.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:26:27pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

I’ll take “Headlines that have not aged well” for $2000, Alex.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:27:29pm

re: #216 freetoken

This is a great opportunity for DWTS to bring some heat to their next show.

There it is!
West wing season on dwts

That’s their master plan

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:27:45pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

What’s the pic?

“Mooch is great, gonna run circles around Media and Dems”

or

“Trump is the best judge of character”

or

“Women in the workplace are killing America”

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:27:47pm

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

I used to be very “pro-life” but even then I believed that abortion should always be allowed to save a woman’f life, or in case of rape or incest.

But after thinking about it, why should a rape victim have to be slut-shamed by providing all kinds of documentation proving that she was “legitimately” raped and therefore “deserving” of having an abortion?

I was also convinced that modern medicine could guarantee that the “life of the mother” could be spared without removing the fetus.

Then Savita Halappanavar died because her doctors were afraid to break the law.

Her life COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED but because of Ireland’s medieval abortion laws, her life wasn’t “in danger” until her condition had deteriorated to the point that she could no longer survive. A condition like pre-eclampsia can deteriorate in hours, but the legal system takes days, even weeks to get an override for prosecution for fetal murder.

“Saving a woman’s life” even if it includes removing the fetus BEFORE she enters an immediate life-threatening condition is a decision that should be made by THE PATIENT & MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ONLY not by lawmakers.

Having special “exceptions” for rape, incest, and “life of the mother” is NOT PRO-LIFE.

I think it is time for some education about the science, religion and actual medical facts regarding abortion.

The story you bring up is probably repeated in many cases, we just never hear about it because of the privacy and wishes of those involved. This is not an easy subject and running away from it to make sure you don’t upset anyone does not work.

The Republicans have made abortion a cut and dried stance because they could. No one takes them on.

No one really stands up and states clearly why abortions should be allowed and also why pro-choice still allows the religious aspects of personal decisions. No one really explains the tragic stories like the one you mention. No one really explains abortion and a woman having a miscarriage in scientific terms and how “God” performs abortions as miscarriages.

And since it is all about politics the Democrats have to make it much clearer that they are not saying allowing abortion is against a religion, it is a Constitutional thing about religion not ruling the state. Talk about freedoms and rights. Talk about how pro-choice supports the religious people because no one is stopping them from preaching that abortion is bad.

It’s time to not do what this Rep wants, it is time to get real about abortion and not run away from it. It needs to be taken on in an educational and historical facts way. Talk about why it was allowed back in the 70s, the reasons for it and what will happen if abortion is outlawed again.

And talk about how abortions were performed during the outlawed years. Talk about how the rich and connected had it done in private because they could. Let’s get real.

In a way, you need to make a pure religious stance against abortion look bad, almost inhumane. The Religious Right sure likes to scare people with all kinds of made-up images, little fetus replicas that are not correct and other scare tactics. How about getting scary with real medical issues that happen because an abortion was not performed.

This to me looks like the Democratic Party is wimping out. The last election really did a number on a lot of people in the party.

In so many ways the Democratic Party is looking a little bit like the 70s Democrats. It was not a good time.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:27:53pm
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John Carter  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:28:10pm

re: #221 Kragar

Too good not to steal.

I feel kinda of famous now.

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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:28:20pm

re: #223 dangerman

There it is!
West wing season on dwts

That’s their master plan

DWTS: White House Special

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Myron Falwell  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:28:55pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:29:18pm

Here’s hoping Kelly disposes of the two Steves before he’s forced out. It’s too much to hope that he can get Javanka out, but a girl can dream.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:29:20pm

re: #204 Archangelus

I’d bet good money on Kelly being the next to head out…

I think Bannon is a good bet, too.

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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:29:28pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:30:22pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

Another proofreading pass and a long lunch could have saved them from that.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:30:45pm
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Myron Falwell  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:31:18pm

re: #193 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Escorted out. It’s gets worse with every firing.

Will be hard to top when President Bannon gets the heave-ho.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:31:24pm

re: #231 MsJ

I think Bannon is a good bet, too.

I think Bannon’s the source of the leaks.

He’s a sneaky shit, a malignant éminence grise. He’s damn near like Randall Flagg come to life.

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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:31:40pm

re: #231 MsJ

I think Bannon is a good bet, too.

Oh sweet [deity of preference here], I hope so! Not expecting that anytime soon personally, because of the fact that it’d be perceived by the Alt Reich as nothing short of a declaration of war….

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:32:27pm
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wheat-dogg  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:32:48pm

re: #237 Archangelus

Oh sweet , I hope so! Not expecting that anytime soon personally, because of the fact that it’d be perceived by the Alt Reich as nothing short of a declaration of war….

They will go apeshit, for sure, but they’ll still have Foghorn Leghorn as Justice Sec.

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:33:40pm

Garland’s got the best new Mook nickname. Shame it’s retired aleady.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:34:21pm

re: #237 Archangelus

Oh sweet [deity of preference here], I hope so! Not expecting that anytime soon personally, because of the fact that it’d be perceived by the Alt Reich as nothing short of a declaration of war….

Not with Sessions there.

They don’t really care about Trump. Sessions doing what he is doing with immigration is keeping the At Reich happy.

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:34:25pm

re: #239 wheat-dogg

They will go apeshit, for sure, but they’ll still have Foghorn Leghorn as Justice Sec.

True, but Bannon’s their guy, more than Sessions. If Bannon goes, yeah, the alt-right would turn on Trump faster than you can say “David Duke”.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:35:20pm
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Kilroy was here  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:35:51pm

Ben Stiller is most likely crying right now because he missed the easiest gig of his life

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prairiefire  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:36:16pm

re: #240 makeitstop

Also too bad for Mario Cantone. His impersonation was perfect.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:36:30pm

Answer to the question being asked:

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:36:34pm

re: #49 MsJ

I don’t even like voicing the stuff I said above. But there is political reality.

We have not been able to re-frame Pro-Life (because they are not). We cannot get away from Pro-Abortion (v pro-choice) which right wing nuts always see as pro-murder.

You can’t discuss science any longer without bringing religious fundamentalism into the fray (creationism, intelligent design, etc.). How do we get the science concerning zygotes vs embryo vs fetus vs baby into any discussion without being labeled murderers?

You ignore those that don’t want to listen to reason because they are drunk on their God. You will never get them to change. You do explain everything and why to those that can handle the topic of science and medicine. As I said above they need to take this on in a heads up way.

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:38:19pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

Scaramucci’s *official start date* as WH Communications Director was August 15th.

I think that means he owes Trump money now.

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:38:51pm

re: #232 Archangelus

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:39:09pm

re: #67 jaunte

Unfu….

Nope. Absolutely fucking believable.

These asshats don’t know what the hell they’re doing and they’re picking the worst people in the world to do jobs they’re supremely unqualified to do.

Scaramucci was incapable of doing the job, and his only qualification was he was a suckup to Trump. Even that wont keep him in a job.

Those who are sacking have themselves been sacked. This is worse than a Monty Python skit because lives are ultimately at stake.

It’s beyond a joke. No one in the White House knows what the hell they’re doing and the only one to blame for that is Trump. He was incompetent in his business dealings and his business style was always bullshit based on inheriting his fortune.

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A Mom Anon  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:39:35pm

Alright Lizards, I have to start making sure things are in order so we can leave for Denver on Friday. BBL. Be Excellent to Each Other.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:40:07pm
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prairiefire  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:40:38pm

re: #243 freetoken

More good news today:

Joe Arpaio found guilty of criminal contempt

Hooray!11!! That asshole of a man!

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:40:52pm

re: #62 jaunte

JUST IN: Joe Arpaio, former Sheriff of Maricopa County, found GUILTY of criminal contempt. Sentencing set for 10/5/17 10am @FOX10Phoenix

Good. Time for the law to deal with a crooked lawman.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:41:18pm

re: #247 ObserverArt

You ignore those that don’t want to listen to reason because they are drunk on their God. You will never get them to change. You do explain everything and why to those that can handle the topic of science and medicine. As I said above they need to take this on in a heads up way.

I don’t really understand trying to argue that abortion is not a moral issue. IMO it’s a question of right and wrong, so of course it is a moral issue. The core morality of the pro-choice position is that it is evil to force a woman to remain pregnant against her will.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:41:24pm

They must be setting up to explain “skinny healthcare.”

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:41:27pm

Awesome news:

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:41:44pm

So Scaramucci sold his firm, missed his son’s birth, is being divorced by his wife, and just lost his job. Now all he needs is a dead dog and a broke pick-up truck and he’s got a country music hit single.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:42:34pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:42:58pm

re: #252 jaunte

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The first time a spine has been seen near the White House since Jan 21st.

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:43:15pm

re: #252 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Mook on his way out…

All I need is this…
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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:43:33pm
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:43:33pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:44:41pm
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:44:46pm

re: #252 jaunte

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:45:21pm

So, I again spent the day internet & TV free until minutes ago.
Did I miss anything?

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:45:35pm

re: #263 MsJ

Did Donald Trump Know the Police Chief Was One of Long Island’s Nastiest Criminals?

Of course not. But we knew.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:45:38pm

re: #247 ObserverArt

You ignore those that don’t want to listen to reason because they are drunk on their God. You will never get them to change. You do explain everything and why to those that can handle the topic of science and medicine. As I said above they need to take this on in a heads up way.

The guy in the original post up top (Lujan, with an accent on the ‘a’) is a Catholic guy in a Catholic state. I see where he gets his attitude from.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:46:11pm

re: #266 FormerDirtDart

So, I again spent the day internet & TV free until minutes ago.
Did I miss anything?

Nah. ///////////////////////////

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:46:25pm

re: #266 FormerDirtDart

So, I again spent the day internet & TV free until minutes ago.
Did I miss anything?

Complete and utter chaos.

Nothing new

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nines09  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:46:40pm

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Teukka  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:46:57pm

BREAKING NEWS: “Hail to the Chief” to be replaced with this song:

-Yakety Sax- Music


///

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:46:59pm

re: #225 ObserverArt

“it is a Constitutional thing about religion not ruling the state. Talk about freedoms and rights.”

this exactly (in the usa)

the question is not when life begins and all that - never accept that as the premise of the question

it’s when does a second, discrete, constitutionally protected human life begin. because before that, like it or not, it does not have rights. (hence the push for “personhood” - to define the indefinable when you aren’t otherwise winning constitutionally)

hence my comments at #149 dangerman re seek spiritual support if you are uncomfortable with other people behaving legally

so - there are in fact two competing sets of rights:
the mother’s and the developing life. i choose “developing life” because it is neither always a clump of cells, or a fetus, or a preborn or whatever) we all know the two entities we’re talking about.

the mother’s rights are full, guaranteed and unchanging throughout the process

the nature of the developing life changes over time and that has to have some consideration. clearly a one day blastoycst is fundamentally different from a three-days-before-normal-delivery fetus. it may or may not have some rights and/or protections depending on “when” we are talking about, and it’s condition).

because the rights and protections of the developing life change over time clever folks have then raised the question of when / if /why the mother doesnt have the absolute right to speak for the 2nd life as in other maternal circumstances. this is a valid constitutional rights argument.

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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:47:14pm

re: #243 freetoken

More good news today:

Joe Arpaio found guilty of criminal contempt

“Arpaio, 85, faces a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a fine when he is sentenced on the misdemeanor offense on Oct. 5.”

Please please please please PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEE let him end up in the very same Maricopa jail where he violated inmates rights on a regular basis…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:47:33pm

re: #23 MsJ

I get that on the GOP side. I do not believe everyone feels that way (whether the result is the same or not, I get what you are saying). There are people who do not look at it as a way to punish women. They look at it from a moral perspective (religious women, for example. You don’t have anti-abortion 20 year olds who all want to play the vindictive card. Some believe that a child should be born and adopted.

The result is punishment to make a woman go through childbirth, but that’s not the intent.

I am about as pro-abortion as you could be…look at my take above. I, personally, think abortion is nothing more than a surgical procedure. I further think a fetus is a parasite
(the actual definition of a parasite) in that it cannot live without its host and it puts its host in a potentially deadly position of having to give birth because childbirth is not a simple thing and people do die in childbirth.

They are fine with adoption, but the strumpet must face the consequences of her immorality…

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Ace-o-aces  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:48:04pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:50:15pm

re: #266 FormerDirtDart

So, I again spent the day internet & TV free until minutes ago.
Did I miss anything?

No one of significance.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:50:17pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

Answer to the question being asked:

[Embedded content]Scaramucci’s *official start date* as WH Communications Director was August 15th.

It’s July 31st.

That’s gotta be some kind of record.

is that irrational or merely negative?

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:50:30pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:51:05pm

I can only imagine what sort of discussions are happening right now in the GOP leadership, but I don’t imagine they’re very positive over today’s events.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:51:12pm

re: #274 Archangelus

“Arpaio, 85, faces a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a fine when he is sentenced on the misdemeanor offense on Oct. 5.”

Please please please please PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEE let him end up in the very same Maricopa jail where he violated inmates rights on a regular basis…

Hell, just deport him to Mexico.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:51:21pm

re: #229 Myron Falwell

The White House announces it’s new Communications Director

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:12pm

re: #278 dangerman

is that irrational or merely negative?

Both?

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:21pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Escorted out. It’s gets worse with every firing.

If they want to make it way worse… the sale of his company to Chinese investors needs federal gov’t approval. Which has been in the works, but not yet finalized.

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nines09  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:22pm

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:24pm
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Kilroy was here  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:43pm

John Oliver’s take on the Mooch

John Oliver - Anthony Scaramucci

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:52pm

Seen on Facebook:

As a proud Italian American, I just want to say in an unpartisan non-political way, thank you Mooch for your 10 days of service to your country.

Now go home and get your shine box.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:54pm

re: #279 MsJ

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And that fascist agitprop will soon be forced on WGN, WPIX, KTLA, WJW and other quality stations, because the FCC is paid off.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:53:04pm

re: #98 MsJ

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re: #98 MsJ

Some good news for Obamacare in Ohio: insurers will fill 19 of the state’s empty 20 counties. insurance.ohio.gov
10:46 AM - Jul 31, 2017

Yay!

I have a sneaking suspicion Kasich has actually helped this along. He seems to have decided to make this an issue to separate him from Trumpers and many Republicans.

Is he going to run for President again? This may be an indication.

But what it real fun…this just cut the legs out from under Robby Portman’s excuse that the ACA is dying in Ohio. It also guts the stance of idiot Jim Jordan of the Freedom coalition.

I bet there are some real strange political relationship at Ohio Republican functions these days.

I keep talking about cracks in the old GOP. We have them here in Ohio.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:53:11pm
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:54:00pm

re: #290 ObserverArt

Yay!

I have a sneaking suspicion Kasich has actually helped this along. He seems to have decided to make this an issue to separate him from Trumpers and many Republicans.

Is he going to run for President again? This may be an indication.

But what it real fun…this just cut the legs out from under Robby Portman’s excuse that the ACA is dying in Ohio. It also guts the stance of idiot Jim Jordan of the Freedom coalition.

I bet there are some real strange political relationship at Ohio Republican functions these days.

I keep talking about cracks in the old GOP. We have them here in Ohio.

Oh, good…you saw it!

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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:54:16pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

So Scaramucci sold his firm, missed his son’s birth, is being divorced by his wife, and just lost his job. Now all he needs is a dead dog and a broke pick-up truck and he’s got a country music hit single.

Requesting permission to st- …er, borrow this… ;)

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:54:34pm

re: #293 Archangelus

Requesting permission to st- …er, borrow this… ;)

Go for it.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:55:18pm

re: #285 nines09

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When Trump goes, we gonna have to take that thing away from you, aren’t we.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:55:58pm

Trump keeps bitching about how he can’t get his appointees confirmed by the Senate, yet he keeps creating vacancies in the White House. Perhaps Schumer needs to publicly say that Democrats can’t be expected to keep up with the turnover rate in the White House.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:56:29pm

re: #291 MsJ

US Treasury freezes Venezuelan president’s assets and declares his election illegitimate.

How do they not see this as a precedent president?

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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:56:51pm

re: #282 FormerDirtDart

The White House announces it’s new Communications Director

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The Lord Humungus would be the first competent Trump administration hire.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:57:26pm

When I first heard about Mooch’s firing, I was like, “Well now he’ll have more time to spend with his family.”

Then I remembered he doesn’t fucking have one anymore!

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lawhawk  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:57:53pm
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John Carter  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:58:34pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

Answer to the question being asked:

It would only be funnier if he got fired on his day off.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:58:47pm

re: #255 EPR-radar

I don’t really understand trying to argue that abortion is not a moral issue. IMO it’s a question of right and wrong, so of course it is a moral issue. The core morality of the pro-choice position is that it is evil to force a woman to remain pregnant against her will.

life begins at conception is an arbitrary absolutist (and inconsistent) position. it is not scientific, nor universally religiously (or morally) agreed upon

in this context the developing “life” is on a continuum.

the only question is when on that path does it become partially or fully constitutionally protected (in the usa)

as it’s a legal procedure, any decision for whatever reasoning is between a woman and her doctors…

“morality” or the equivalent may inform someone’s position on supporting or changing the law. morality is not the law nor the reason for it

as i said somewhere above, there are myriad examples of legal things that some find morally wrong. even as basic as some of the commandments. they seem to have no problem living with them and there dont seem to be vast movements to change those laws.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:58:55pm

Yates
Flynn
Walsh
Bharara
Comey
Dubke
Shaub
Corralo
Spicer
Short
Priebus
Scaramucci

It’s starting to read like a plaque on Ellis Island.

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makeitstop  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:59:26pm

So did Sarah walk out of the press briefing yet? It’s been almost 15 minutes already…

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:59:30pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:59:45pm

re: #303 jaunte

Yates
Flynn
Walsh
Bharara
Comey
Dubke
Shaub
Corralo
Spicer
Short
Priebus
Scaramucci

It’s starting to read like a plaque on Ellis Island.

Rifle squad in a 1950s WWII movie.

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 12:59:59pm

re: #273 dangerman

the question is not when life begins and all that - never accept that as the premise of the question

it’s when does a second, discrete, constitutionally protected human life begin. because before that, like it or not, it does not have rights. (hence the push for “personhood” - to define the indefinable when you aren’t otherwise winning constitutionally)

Not even.

My nephew is absolutely, definitely, unqualifiedly a discrete, constitutionally protected life. But if he wants my kidney, or my bone marrow, even if his life is at stake, it’s still entirely my call whether I let him take what he needs.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:00:38pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:00:40pm

Now, that’s a headline…

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Charles Johnson  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:01:54pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:02:07pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart

Now, that’s a headline…

Scaramucci ‘escorted from White House by security’

Now be fair. It’s just because he didn’t have time to learn the way in and out.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:03:05pm

re: #306 Decatur Deb

Rifle squad in a 1950s WWII movie.

Or the cast of an 1980s horror film.

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Big Beautiful Door  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:03:20pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart

Now, that’s a headline…

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It’s getting very Game of Thrones like at the WH. Mooch kind’ve reminded me of Euron.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:04:09pm

re: #312 Targetpractice

Or the cast of an 1980s horror film.

Nope. By then you had more than one woman and a Black dude.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:04:53pm

re: #279 MsJ

Update: Just days after Sinclair Broadcast Group’s chief political analyst Boris Epshteyn released a commentary segment lauding Anthony Scaramucci’s new approach as White House communications director, The New York Times reported that President Donald Trump had removed Scaramucci from the role.

This is gold, Jerry, GOLD!

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:04:58pm

re: #179 nines09

[Embedded content]

At one time, CFON had “as seen on The Apprentice” on their cans. I had to stop buying it until that was over with.

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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:05:50pm

“They’re convinced Trump is out of his gourd,” the Republican revealed. “Remember what I told you at the start of this circus? They planned to use Trump’s antics for cover, to get done what they most wanted - big tax cuts, rollbacks of regulations, especially financial. They’d work with Pence behind the scenes and forget the crazy uncle in the attic.”

He then corrected himself saying that he’s hearing that Attorney General Jeff Sessions “is pissing them off.” He said that Republicans in the caucus anticipate Trump will hurt them in 2018 and 2020.

“They want him out [of] there,” he continued, saying that they’re hoping special counsel Robert Mueller comes up with a “smoking gun.” When asked what they would do if Trump fired Mueller, he claimed it would never happen.

If Trump isn’t gone by the 2020 elections they intend to put someone up against him.

“Lots of maneuvering already. Pence, obviously. Cruz thinks he has a shot,” the member said. Until then, they think Trump is “fritzing out,” which he explained was “going totally bananas” with “paranoia.”

“You want to know why he fired [Reince] Priebus, wants Sessions out, and is now gunning for Tillerson?” the Republican asked Reich, who thought it was to shake things up. “No. The way I hear it, he thinks they’ve been plotting against him.”

According to the member of Congress, Priebus and Sessions were trying to figure out how to enact the 25th Amendment, which would remove the president from office if he was unfit.

“Read it! A Cabinet can get rid of a president who’s nuts. Trump thinks they’ve been preparing a palace coup. So one by one, he’s firing them,” the member continued.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:06:11pm

re: #282 FormerDirtDart

The White House announces it’s new Communications Director

[Embedded content]

Crank up the meme machine

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:06:21pm

re: #314 Decatur Deb

Nope. By then you had more than one woman and a Black dude.

Considering the way everybody’s been cutting each other’s throats, might as well be a season of Survivor.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:07:23pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:08:18pm

re: #320 Unshaken Defiance

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I prefer this pic:

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:09:07pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:09:28pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

And the leaks continue

sources also say POTUS & fam did not appreciate how A.S. comments linked them to vulgarity. Like to play rough but not be laughed at/embrsd

The Trump family is not really paying attention are they?

Not only is the whole clan subject to much derision but the Big Don is now locked in as being vulgar.

Scaramucci was them all along, firing him doesn’t change that.

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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:09:36pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:09:42pm

re: #317 MsJ

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If that informer is at all accurate, Trump’ll soon get Pence in his sights.

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:10:03pm
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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:10:40pm

re: #326 darthstar

So Trump’s ego couldn’t handle the competition?

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:11:16pm

re: #327 freetoken

So Trump’s ego couldn’t handle the competition?

Better hair. Perry’s next.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:11:27pm

re: #321 Targetpractice

It all ends like Reservoir Dogs right? Political career wise of course…


And careers end with a bang.

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:11:49pm

re: #327 freetoken

So Trump’s ego couldn’t handle the competition?

This is why we need to make Jared the story…then Ivanka. Turn Trump land into House Lannister.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:12:10pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

So, how long before we find out that Mooch also got fired in the most indirect and passive aggressive way possible?

I wonder if he got the “in X number minutes it will be announced you are fired” routine.

I still think Scaramucci was a one-time hit man. He killed off what Trump was too chicken to do himself and is now no longer needed.

I bet this was all known to Mooch prior to him taking the ‘job.’

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:12:18pm

re: #330 darthstar

This is why we need to make Jared the story…then Ivanka. Turn Trump land into House Lannister.

Speaking of Jared…

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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:12:24pm

re: #321 Targetpractice

I prefer this pic:

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My preference…

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:12:49pm

Questions this admininstration can’t answer.

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:13:14pm

re: #307 sagehen

Not even.

My nephew is absolutely, definitely, unqualifiedly a discrete, constitutionally protected life. But if he wants my kidney, or my bone marrow, even if his life is at stake, it’s still entirely my call whether I let him take what he needs.

i dont want to get down in the weeds too much - just a little - these are different scenarios
in yours you have two fully protected independent lives. there is no clash of rights your nephew has no right to your body parts. he doesnt take them. you voluntarily donate them.

not so with pregnancy. there is only one constitutionally protected life from the start. the other develops and garners something over time. - it is admittedly unclear and somewhat arbitrary as to when. it will be a hard road to argue a normal three day before ordinary birth fetus is in no way different than few days old blastocyst. you dont need a moral argument to know that.

that is as unrealistic as “all life begins at conception”

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:15:28pm

re: #335 dangerman

i dont want to get down in the weeds too much - just a little - these are different scenarios
in yours you have two fully protected independent lives. there is no clash of rights your nephew has no right to your body parts. he doesnt take them. you voluntarily donate them.

not so with pregnancy. there is only one constitutionally protected life from the start. the other develops and garners something over time. - it is admittedly unclear and somewhat arbitrary as to when. it will be a hard road to argue a normal three day before ordinary birth fetus is in no way different than few days old blastocyst. you dont need a moral argument to know that.

that is as unrealistic as “all life begins at conception”

Keep pulling on that thread, and soon someone has to define what a right is, and where they come from.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:15:54pm

re: #192 MsJ

Shortest book in history. :-)

Comes with its own Tiny Violin.

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Belafon  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:16:12pm

re: #318 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Crank up the meme machine

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Does this guy have a little yellow mustache?

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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:16:15pm
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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:17:10pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:17:42pm

re: #329 Unshaken Defiance

It all ends like Reservoir Dogs right? Political career wise of course…

[Embedded content]

And careers end with a bang.

I re-watched Reservoir Dogs last night.

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Single-handed sailor  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:18:34pm

re: #334 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Questions this admininstration can’t answer.

“Socialist dictators are bad, capitalist dictators are our friend.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:18:38pm

re: #340 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Life comes at you fast.

Then it hits you, knocks you down, and rolls over you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:19:24pm

I still get homesick as an expat. But for that, I missed out on all of Bush 1, the whole Clinton impeachment, the OJ Simpson Trial, the Bush 2 Florida fiasco, the Michael Jackson trial, and am far, far away from the Trump slow-motion train wreck that is pulling into the station…

I would really like to have an intact country to come home to some day, though…

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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:19:53pm

Bwahahahahaha!

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Interesting Times  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:20:13pm
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MsJ  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:20:19pm

re: #325 Decatur Deb

If that informer is at all accurate, Trump’ll soon get Pence in his sights.

There’s nothing he can do to pence. You can’t fire your Veep. And if he’s tries the GOP will revolt like mad.

President pence scares me horribly. But not as much as president trump who could literally start a nuclear war with a fucking tweet. I don’t think pence well do that with it without a tweet.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:20:55pm

The real victims here are all the journalists and comedians whose Mooch-based jokes got cut down before they ever had a chance.

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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:21:05pm

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still get homesick as an expat. But for that, I missed out on all of Bush 1, the whole Clinton impeachment, the OJ Simpson Trial, the Bush 2 Florida fiasco, the Michael Jackson trial, and am far, far away from the Trump slow-motion train wreck that is pulling into the station…

I would really like to have an intact country to come home to some day, though…

As a fellow expat, I’m right there with ya, Wendell…

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Myron Falwell  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:21:09pm
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Dr. Matt  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:21:38pm
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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:22:06pm

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would really like to have an intact country to come home to some day, though…

You’re going to suffer reverse-culture shock when you do come back.

I was only in Japan a few years, but coming back to the US and it felt really weird, even here in California.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:23:20pm

GOAT-FIRED LIKE A DOG!

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:23:47pm

re: #340 jaunte

Careers that have not aged well: Mooch, Piers Morgan

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:24:15pm

I strongly suspect the first meeting between Kelly and Scaramucci after the former was sworn it went:

“I’m going to need an apology from you for last week’s speech. I’m in charge now and we’re not going to have that sort of language from the Communications Director.”

“Fuck you, John. I don’t report to you, I report to Donald!”

“Really? We’ll see about that.”

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Myron Falwell  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:24:55pm

re: #347 MsJ

There’s nothing he can do to pence. You can’t fire your Veep. And if he’s tries the GOP will revolt like mad.

We’re assuming Trump is actually aware of this.

Trump could give Pence the Sessions treatment — make his life a living hell on Twitter so that he resigns. Which would leave Lindsey Graham all “concerned” and stuff.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:25:03pm

Think about it. He severed all his business contacts for that cush VP slot at the Export-Import Bank.
Now, he’s facing a divorce where his wife knows (because of public disclosure) exactly where all his assets are…

Service with the Trump administration is truly rewarding…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:25:59pm

Last night on FB, I see a post headlined “Anthony Scaramucci era will be freakish, embarrassing and all too short”. I responded “I think you mean “Nasty, brutish, and short.”

So, what do I see as I check out twitter feeds over lunch?

A prophet is without profit in his own country.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:26:08pm

re: #347 MsJ

There’s nothing he can do to pence. You can’t fire your Veep. And if he’s tries the GOP will revolt like mad.

President pence scares me horribly. But not as much as president trump who could literally start a nuclear war with a fucking tweet. I don’t think pence well do that with it without a tweet.

“An important Tuvan tribal leader has died in Mongolia. You’ll be leading our delegation. How’s your throat singing?”

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:26:32pm

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

Someone should ask: “Sarah, seeing all the people around you getting escorted out, how does that make you feel about your job security?”

See how she handles it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:27:04pm

re: #352 freetoken

You’re going to suffer reverse-culture shock when you do come back.

I was only in Japan a few years, but coming back to the US and it felt really weird, even here in California.

I did not get too much of that visiting Phoenix, it is a bit like me: much the same, just spread out a lot more…

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:27:04pm
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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:28:04pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:28:54pm

The ‘un-personing’ begins. Soon, he’ll be photoshopped out of pictures with Stalin Trump.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:28:57pm
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Dr Lizardo  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:30:46pm

Well, for me, the day is done. Not a bad day, I’d say.

Today’s lesson: Being the White House Communications Director is apparently a lot like being the drummer for Spinal Tap.

Good night, Lizards.

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:30:54pm

re: #339 Archangelus

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:31:00pm

re: #354 Sir John Barron

Careers that have not aged well: Mooch, Piers Morgan

Next, General Kelly, for using his resume to try to paper over the rot in the White House.

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:31:30pm

The fact that we now have these kinds of questions as regular discourse sickens me…but it’s where we are.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:32:22pm

re: #17 GlutenFreeJesus

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:32:24pm

re: #327 freetoken

So Trump’s ego couldn’t handle the competition?

There can be only one ringmaster of the tr*mp circus.

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:32:40pm
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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:32:42pm

re: #363 jaunte

Trump is such a jokester.

/

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:33:09pm

For some reason, this Facebook entry from yesterday seems quite applicable to today’s news:

Facebook Post

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:33:48pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:33:54pm

re: #366 Dr Lizardo

Well, for me, the day is done. Not a bad day, I’d say.

Today’s lesson: Being the White House Communications Director is apparently a lot like being the drummer for Spinal Tap.

Good night, Lizards.

Stumpy Joe Mooch.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:34:10pm

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

Think about it. He severed all his business contacts for that cush VP slot at the Export-Import Bank.
Now, he’s facing a divorce where his wife knows (because of public disclosure) exactly where all his assets are…

Service with the Trump administration is truly rewarding…

“We don’t even know who that is, other than he was a Democrat Party person left over from Obama White House.”

//

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:34:17pm

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

Think about it. He severed all his business contacts for that cush VP slot at the Export-Import Bank.
Now, he’s facing a divorce where his wife knows (because of public disclosure) exactly where all his assets are…

Service with the Trump administration is truly rewarding…

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Well the mooch could come out firing & blast the family….

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:35:22pm

re: #367 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Some days, it doesn’t pay to get out of bed.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:35:54pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

The ‘un-personing’ begins. Soon, he’ll be photoshopped out of pictures with Stalin Trump.

Reinse was the problem with that WH. I anticipate things will run smoothly without him.

////

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:36:08pm

We have video footage of Scaramucci being escorted from the White House:

For Old Times’ Sake

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:37:18pm
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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:38:01pm

re: #336 Decatur Deb

Keep pulling on that thread, and soon someone has to define what a right is, and where they come from.

in this context i dont see why. i dont think they need to be defined any better than is already commonly understood. and where they come from doesnt change the argument.

you have the right to bodily integrity and your body parts. who argues against this?

i think the best political argument to use (in the usa) is the consistent constitutional one. people have rights. non people do not. this argument keeps abortion legal.

to return to the original, moral or religious arguments re abortion are opinions.
they are masquerading as “facts” while they are not facts. a zygote is not a person and has no rights. The proper legal status of healthy, second and third trimester fetuses is less clear because its nature is changing over time.

The point or line (if there is one), of where a life truly begins is a matter of fact and circumstance and application of specific criteria. Similar to how we determine “death”. That time may be as yet specifically unknown. When it is known with surety and consistency, it will no longer be a matter of interpretation or “faith”. Whether faith, scientific/medical proof or some other mechanism eventually leads to an objective, generally accepted position is a separate discussion.

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VaughnIAM  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:38:27pm

I live in Arkansas and I have voted for plenty of people who were against abortion in their personal life but pro-choice in their political life.

One thing I can say for certain is that I will never vote for a Democrat that would run on a anti-choice platform.

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:39:10pm

re: #382 FormerDirtDart

This is from the Source of All Lies, but it would be interesting if it’s true that Kushner will report to COS Kelly.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:40:23pm

re: #385 EPR-radar

Betcha Ivanka will not.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:42:11pm
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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:42:20pm

re: #386 freetoken

Betcha Ivanka will not.

Yeah, first time Jared or Ivanka fall afoul of Kelly, they’re gonna run crying to daddy and then that mean ol’ general’s gonna get ripped apart…on Twitter.

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Teukka  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:42:30pm

re: #365 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

Fuck. You guys were serious when you coined “2017: Hold My Beer…”

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:42:43pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:43:14pm

re: #366 Dr Lizardo

Well, for me, the day is done. Not a bad day, I’d say.

Today’s lesson: Being the White House Communications Director is apparently a lot like being the drummer for Spinal Tap.

Good night, Lizards.

Hey…I used that line last week! I want royalties. I’m a drummer.

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:43:22pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

The ‘un-personing’ begins. Soon, he’ll be photoshopped out of pictures with Stalin Trump.

“Everybody back to the Ministry of Truth! All of our newspapers and pundit circle-jerks must be rewritten and recast.”

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Sir John Barron  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:44:10pm

re: #390 Stanley Sea

But by the time I finished reading this someone else in the WH would be fired and…..

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:45:41pm

And this happened below the radar….

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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:46:43pm

re: #383 dangerman


i think the best political argument to use (in the usa) is the consistent constitutional one. people have rights. non people do not. this argument keeps abortion legal.
….

IMO it isn’t so easy to remove morality from the abortion wars via this kind of definition, because morality is inherent in the definition of ‘non-people’.

Slaves being non-people was how slavery was justified vs. constitutional rights back in the day. So I’m uncomfortable with defenses of abortion rights that focus too heavily on definitions, especially when agreement on the definitions isn’t any more likely than agreement on any other point in dispute.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:46:52pm

re: #378 Stanley Sea

Well the mooch could come out firing & blast the family….

I wouldn’t trust that mouth.

But if I am right about this all being a set-up for Trump to boot Spicer and Priebus because he couldn’t “you’re fired” them…then Mooch will be on his way and we won’t be hearing much from Mooch.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:49:11pm

re: #390 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

“Kelly wanting to turn the page. New culture. Mooch no discipline. Thought he’d burned his credibility.”

You could substitute the yam for Mooch and it would be even more true. Sad.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:49:47pm

re: #394 FormerDirtDart

And this happened below the radar….

[Embedded content]

On the radar at comment 62. Makes me wonder what’s really below the radar.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:51:44pm

If Reince had any balls, he would be sub-tweeting his ass off right about now.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:52:03pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:52:56pm

re: #399 Dr. Matt

If Rence had any balls, he would be sub-tweeting his ass off right about now.

Nope. He has none.

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Targetpractice  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:53:46pm

Fark headline:

♫ Scaramouche, Scaramouche you can’t do the Trump fandango ♫

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:53:58pm

re: #401 Hecuba’s daughter

Nope. He has none.

Unsullied. There’s a lot of them surrounding The President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:54:36pm
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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:55:46pm

BTW, thanks for the thread, Charles. It’s so worth while.

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:56:25pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

A shadow passes over Sarah at :53.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:56:28pm

re: #403 Decatur Deb

Unsullied. There’s a lot of them surrounding The President.

But the true Unsullied are unfailingly polite in speech though they may slash your throat if you try to overthrow their queen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:57:05pm
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EPR-radar  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:57:49pm

re: #403 Decatur Deb

Unsullied. There’s a lot of them surrounding The President.

The kind of monarchy that tr*mp wants is simply incomplete without hordes of palace eunuchs.

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Dr. Matt  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:57:52pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sarah Sanders: “If you want to see chaos, come to my house with three preschoolers. Recent changes don’t “hold a candle to that.” pic.twitter.com

If you’re using preschoolers as an analogy to defend your workplace environment, it’s a sure sign things are not going well.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jul 31, 2017 • 1:59:51pm

re: #402 Targetpractice

Fark headline:

Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you take your coat and go?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:00:20pm
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Jay C  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:01:48pm

Jeez, I go offline for a couple of hours, and come back to LGF only to find I’ve missed another episode of “SHITSHOW - THE WHITE HOUSE!”?? Man!

So presumably the new line is going to be that they’re bringing in Tough General Kelly to Kick Ass and Take Names? That a CoS with a good old-fashioned faith in Marine boot-up-the-backside discipline is going to (finally) “turn the WH around”??
Two thoughts:
1. I’ll believe when I see it still working after a month (or Kelly still working after 2)
2. This is the sort of organizational desperation-move which one usually sees at the END of failing regimes, not just six months in to a US Administration…

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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:02:59pm

re: #413 Jay C

Jeez, I go offline for a couple of hours, and come back to LGF only to find I’ve missed another episode of “SHITSHOW - THE WHITE HOUSE!”?? Man!

So presumably the new line is going to be that they’re bringing in Tough General Kelly to Kick Ass and Take Names? That a CoS with a good old-fashioned faith in Marine boot-up-the-backside discipline is going to (finally) “turn the WH around”??
Two thoughts:
1. I’ll believe when I see it still working after a month (or Kelly still working after 2)
2. This is the sort of organizational desperation-move which one usually sees at the END of failing regimes, not just six months in to a US Administration…

Awaiting GEN Kelly’s perspective on bone spurs.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:03:09pm
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weave  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:05:27pm

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:05:44pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really didn’t need Sarah Huckabee to confirm what I suspected about her parenting skills.

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wrenchwench  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:07:31pm

Magnificent tail visible as it turns to go.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:07:35pm
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Jay C  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:07:44pm

re: #415 FormerDirtDart

I’m sorry Nicole cut off the highlighting before we could get to Mr. D’Souza’s bit about “costumed racial terrorism”… and it’s connection to “progressive Democrats”.
Was it the KKK or ComicCon…?

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451_Montag  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:08:07pm

Everyone is being too mean about the Mooch.

Isn’t it obvious he resigned to spend some more time with his own cock?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:12:31pm
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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:12:48pm

re: #395 EPR-radar

IMO it isn’t so easy to remove morality from the abortion wars via this kind of definition, because morality is inherent in the definition of ‘non-people’.

Slaves being non-people was how slavery was justified vs. constitutional rights back in the day. So I’m uncomfortable with defenses of abortion rights that focus too heavily on definitions, especially when agreement on the definitions isn’t any more likely than agreement on any other point in dispute.

you are right and i knew it when i wrote it
and i also meant people in the physical sense. a zygote is not a person. a human. though it is human.

i submit that slavery was a different kind of problem. to me, whether described as slaves, african americans, etc - they were not granted or given rights. cosmologically they always had and have the same rights as the rest. those rights were institutionally repressed by mechanisms stronger than them. the civil rights movement imo was not to “give” rights. it was to recognize the same rights in everyone - to remove the barriers and suppression of the rights anyone has.

nor do i believe “we” are giving lgbtq the “right to marry” . if that right exists - the right to marry - it was always there. there may not have been a lot of thought or focus until recent history. and that’s brought it to the fore. (polygamy is a different argument)

but a not-born, developing human is different because it comes from “nothing” and eventually becomes an undisputed person. one day defining when that occurs will be incontrovertible.

unless i read something compelling, i’d like to stop at this point.
we all have differing opinions on how to get the job done. not what the job is.

for me, the best political argument to keep abortion legal (in the us) is the constitutional one

any argument that appeals to anything else - emotion, economics, “slavery”, whatever, legitimizes the other side’s appeals to ‘religion’ the sanctity of life etc., however hypocritical they are

i suggest if we avoid those appeals, then that’s all they’ll have and it’s not defensible

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:13:10pm
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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:17:48pm

One of my senators getting absolutely shelled in the replies to this false equivalency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:19:23pm
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plansbandc  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:19:46pm

re: #97 MsJ

I will not vote for an anti choice candidate. So yeah. I am very defitely about voting that issue.

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:19:53pm
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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:22:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:22:35pm
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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:22:42pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:23:43pm

re: #419 FormerDirtDart

Shows that Trump has no internal gauge for morality, only sensitivity to criticism.

Criticism is akin to TV ratings. They are low Donny. Low. Your ratings suck!

I just want the whole show cancelled.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:24:56pm

re: #420 Jay C

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I’m sorry Nicole cut off the highlighting before we could get to Mr. D’Souza’s bit about “costumed racial terrorism”… and it’s connection to “progressive Democrats”.
Was it the KKK or ComicCon…?

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:26:30pm

re: #433 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

That’s a face even a mother would slap.

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:28:58pm

re: #429 darthstar

I’m guessing asking strangers for money wasn’t something Lara expected she’d be doing when she married into the Trump family.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:29:13pm
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Archangelus  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:29:15pm

...

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:30:17pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:31:30pm

re: #434 darthstar

That’s a face even a mother would slap.

There’s a term for that, in German

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KGxvi  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:32:58pm

re: #436 jaunte

I honestly feel like we are heading toward Articles of Impeachment that read something like:

Count One: Conduct Unbecoming

You’re kidding, right? I mean, really, seriously, look at this shit show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:34:38pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:36:21pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:36:57pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

‘Druther not have any “States of Emergency”, OK? Thnx.

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:37:20pm
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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:39:51pm

Read the takes

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Jay C  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:44:43pm

re: #434 darthstar

That’s a face even a mother would slap.

Probably - hence the helmet.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:46:02pm

re: #444 FormerDirtDart

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:46:41pm
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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:47:38pm
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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:49:23pm

re: #449 darthstar

Dude who fired the dude fired by the dude who replaced the dude.

Dude!

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dangerman  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:49:35pm

re: #447 jaunte

[Embedded content]Yesterday, Jared & Ivanka spun their limited influence to @politico. Now they’re bragging about Machiavellian moves against Reince to @axios

its positively manichean

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No Depression  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:51:02pm

re: #447 jaunte

[Embedded content]

That’s like an idiot’s idea of Machiavellian scheming. Yeah, they removed their internal rival but provided even more evidence that the White House is a raging dumpster fire in the process.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:52:00pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:52:49pm
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plansbandc  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:53:30pm

re: #445 Stanley Sea

Rory’s take speaks to what a fundamentally shitty human being Trump is. Reading it gave me that same sad/sick/fury I got when viewing the video of him mocking the disabled reporter. This man is utter rotting garbage.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:54:29pm

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Locker room talk…boys will be boys…what was that, Melania?

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Timothy Watson  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:56:08pm

re: #456 BeachDem

Locker room talk…boys will be boys…what was that, Melania?

It’s all Billy Bush’s fault!

///

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:56:59pm

re: #85 jaunte

I’ve seen douchebags on fire off the shoulder of O’Bannon…

I’ve watched C beams glitter in the dark near the White House gate…

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:59:08pm

All these things will be lost… like tears… or something… in rain….

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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 2:59:59pm

“George Selim, the federal counterterrorism official who works most closely with the organized American Muslim community, tendered his resignation on Friday. His ouster is a victory for Trump officials like Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka, who see mainstream Muslim organizations as Islamist fronts, and for those American Muslims who oppose any counterterrorism cooperation with Washington. “There were clearly political appointees in this administration who didn’t see the value of community partnerships with American Muslims,” Selim told me. It is the clearest sign yet that government cooperation with Muslim communities, which has proved crucial to preventing terrorist attacks, is breaking down. …”

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Scottish Dragon  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:00:44pm

re: #459 jaunte

[Embedded content]

All these things will be lost… like tears… or something… in rain….

Perfect.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:00:52pm

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

re: #456 BeachDem

Locker room talk…boys will be boys…what was that, Melania?

Ivanka: “America just needs to be nice and sweet with each other. Why do we say disgusting things to and about each other?”

“It is my hope as the President’s Daughter and an Administration Principal that we end all crude and rude speech and bullying others.”

“Only my Great and Smart Daddy The President of the United States gets to do that stuff!”

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KGxvi  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:01:31pm

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, they want more orphans/wards of the state? Because if every aborted fetus is placed in an artificial womb, who is responsible for raising that child?

freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment

That’s what the Supreme Court said in Moore v. East Cleveland (when it struck down a zoning law that did not allow a woman to raise her grandchild due to the way it defined family) and is probably a general sentiment that you could even get SoCon wingnuts to agree with.

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:01:45pm
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FormerDirtDart  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:03:08pm
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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:03:44pm

My favorite quote about Scaramucci…

“He got hired, divorced, had a baby, and fired in 10 days. Like a fruit fly”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:04:25pm

re: #460 FormerDirtDart

Trump et al are actually hoping for more attacks within our borders by the likes of AQ/ISIS. They really do want this more than anything so they can consolidate their power because of an “emergency”.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:05:11pm

re: #467 GlutenFreeJesus

We have yet to see the worst side of this Administration.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:06:36pm

re: #468 freetoken

We have yet to see the worst side of this Administration.

We aren’t even close.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:07:45pm

Stolen from Facebook:

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KGxvi  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:12:43pm

re: #468 freetoken

We have yet to see the worst side of this Administration.

They’re like a set of 20 sided dice of terribleness

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:18:13pm

re: #330 darthstar

This is why we need to make Jared the story…then Ivanka. Turn Trump land into House Lannister.

That will *never* happen. A Lannister always pays his debts.

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:18:59pm
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Kragar  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:19:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:20:41pm

re: #474 Kragar

[Embedded content]

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:23:15pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:23:28pm

Wait, am I actually asleep and some bizarre dream has taken hold?

Democratic Party to Women: Your Rights Are Less Important Than Winning Elections

Okay so way late to the thread what with work and all. Just stunned here. We had this all worked out. Roe, PP, safe rare and legal.

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Timothy Watson  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:24:31pm

re: #474 Kragar

[Embedded content]

WE NEED A TRUUUUE PROGRESSIVE!1!!

(One reason that I left the GOP was wingnuts demanding truuuuue conservatives.)

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:24:37pm

Trump just tweeted.

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:24:59pm

re: #475 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Yet they lurrvve Tulsi Gabbard. (And don’t even get me started with Nina Turner.)

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jaunte  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:26:18pm

re: #479 darthstar

“Everyone’s looking at me!”

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darthstar  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:26:31pm

re: #479 darthstar

Trump just tweeted.

[Embedded content]

Trying to figure out what the fuck he’s talking about…

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Myron Falwell  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:26:34pm

re: #467 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump et al are actually hoping for more attacks within our borders by the likes of AQ/ISIS. They really do want this more than anything so they can consolidate their power because of an “emergency”.

Trump would botch his own Reichtag Fire.

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:27:37pm

For any Trekkies who have yet to hear of these rumors:

Star Trek Discovery: To Be Replaced by Nicholas Meyer’s New Series?

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sagehen  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:28:22pm

re: #347 MsJ

There’s nothing he can do to pence. You can’t fire your Veep. And if he’s tries the GOP will revolt like mad.

President pence scares me horribly. But not as much as president trump who could literally start a nuclear war with a fucking tweet. I don’t think pence well do that with it without a tweet.

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:28:29pm

If Sander’s supporters wonder why real Democratic party members have issues with one Bernard Sanders and his more exuberant supports there it is. If Bernie doesn’t think like this himself he needs to make it clear. Anyone see that coming?

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freetoken  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:29:27pm

If I get the gist… the Era of Trump is so dark that even the Star Trek story has to be adjusted.

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Kilroy was here  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:29:30pm

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KGxvi  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:29:59pm

re: #478 Timothy Watson

WE NEED A TRUUUUE PROGRESSIVE!1!!

(One reason that I left the GOP was wingnuts demanding truuuuue conservatives.)

Harris twice won over 4 million votes in California in midterm elections and won 7.5 million against ANOTHER DEMOCRAT in last year’s general election. There’s going to be a lot of people in California politics who are going to be shocked that they’re not true progressives.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:31:56pm

re: #479 darthstar

Trump just tweeted.

[Embedded content]

lol, maybe for the guy who has the WH business card contract.

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Myron Falwell  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:35:05pm

re: #487 freetoken

If I get the gist… the Era of Trump is so dark that even the Star Trek story has to be adjusted.

Star Trek Into Darkness (a rather poor remake of Star Trek II) was so dark, I couldn’t see a damn thing.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:35:21pm

re: #491 Myron Falwell

Star Trek Into Darkness (a rather poor remake of Star Trek II) was so dark, I couldn’t see a damn thing.

Except the lens flare.

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KGxvi  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:35:48pm

re: #480 BeachDem

Yet they lurrvve Tulsi Gabbard. (And don’t even get me started with Nina Turner.)

They’re political hipsters… like their music hipster cousins who won’t listen to anyone signed by a major label, they don’t trust anyone who has the backing of the party. Instead they’ll ignore the obvious flaws in their preferred candidates and pretend they’re better than the mainstream - the same way the music hipsters will swear that the Band You’ve Never Heard Of that they saw once while drunk and/or stoned in some dive in the Part Of Town You Won’t Go To absolutely changed their life (at least until they get the major record deal and then, by definition, sold out).

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ObserverArt  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:36:18pm

re: #490 b.d. (bill d.)

[Embedded content]

lol, maybe for the guy who has the WH business card contract.

They probably have pre-printed blanks with the full Presidential Seal and standard info on them on 8.5” x 11” sheets and then run them through a decent toner based printer to drop in the name and title/phone/email. Print 100 at a time…no sense getting ahead of yourself.

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Barefoot Grin  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:36:39pm

re: #450 ObserverArt

Dude!

didn’t abide long….

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Stanley Sea  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:38:24pm

For Deb & any others

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Unshaken Defiance  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:39:13pm
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Decatur Deb  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:39:58pm

re: #493 KGxvi

They’re political hipsters… like their music hipster cousins who won’t listen to anyone signed by a major label, they don’t trust anyone who has the backing of the party. Instead they’ll ignore the obvious flaws in their preferred candidates and pretend they’re better than the mainstream - the same way the music hipsters will swear that the Band You’ve Never Heard Of that they saw once while drunk and/or stoned in some dive in the Part Of Town You Won’t Go To absolutely changed their life (at least until they get the major record deal and then, by definition, sold out).

If the Trump administration were a band (go past 1 min):

SPIKE JONES & CITY SLICKERS - COCKTAILS FOR TWO - 1945

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BeachDem  Jul 31, 2017 • 3:56:39pm

re: #493 KGxvi

They’re political hipsters… like their music hipster cousins who won’t listen to anyone signed by a major label, they don’t trust anyone who has the backing of the party. Instead they’ll ignore the obvious flaws in their preferred candidates and pretend they’re better than the mainstream - the same way the music hipsters will swear that the Band You’ve Never Heard Of that they saw once while drunk and/or stoned in some dive in the Part Of Town You Won’t Go To absolutely changed their life (at least until they get the major record deal and then, by definition, sold out).

They should probably all read David Brooks’ scintillating op-ed on “cool” and “woke.”
//////

(yours is a great description of them, by the way.)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Jul 31, 2017 • 4:00:28pm

re: #415 FormerDirtDart


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Acronyms and Assholes So, I see the photo insert in the news feed and had to re educate myself on why some refer to those who, as the last real President, Barack Obama put it, “have perverted and distorted and tried to ...
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South Bay Locals Named as Part of White Supremacy Group An in-depth report by ProPublica.org into the activity of a Southern California-based white supremacy group has named at least four South Bay residents including one each from Hermosa Beach and Redondo Beach. The report details how the group, called ...
Thanos
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New Details Emerge About Attack That Killed US Soldiers in Niger The soldiers questioned the villagers, who dragged on the discussions longer than anticipated. “It turns out that this village was a little contaminated by hostile forces,” said Aksar. “The unit stayed a little longer than expected because apparently people ...
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Hyperloop in Missouri: Company Says KC-STL Route Top Contender An official with Hyperloop One, which proposes building ultra-fast tubular transportation around the world, said that a Missouri route is a top contender for development. Dan Katz, the head of policy for the company, told The Associated Press that ...
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Sheriff Finds ‘Troubling’ Explosives, Guns, Maps and Note in Florida Home Photographs of schools, three bomb devices, guns and books on how to make explosives were found in a Dunedin man’s home Wednesday, officials report. Deputies with the Pinellas County Sheriff’s Office were executing a search warrant at 1234 Royal ...
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Editorial: Kobach Is Desperate for Trump’s Approval Kris Kobach has been running a Trump-style gubernatorial campaign since the day he announced. From his empty insistence that there’s a “culture of corruption” in Topeka to his argument that the Legislature’s decision to repeal Gov. Sam Brownback’s tax ...
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First Aid Kit - It’s a Shame"It's a Shame" by First Aid Kit is available now: smarturl.it Production Company: Slutet är Nära / slutetarnara.se Director: Mats UddProducer: Petra KrigströmExecutive Producer: Alexandros Bakos Lyrics: genius.com Follow First Aid Kit: firstaidkitband.com facebook.com @firstaidkitband instagram.com
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Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit - American Girl10/13/2017 Encore on night 4 of Ryman residency
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Nightmare at PDX In all, Cristina was held for 48 hours with the jail population, though she had committed no crime. She was treated poorly, and denied medical treatment when she requested it. She had no money in her jail phone account ...
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