Democratic Party to Women: Your Rights Are Less Important Than Winning Elections

Worst Democratic idea of the year

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Today the Democratic Party announced a new position that I find absolutely infuriating: no litmus test on abortion.

“There is not a litmus test for Democratic candidates,” said Luján, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman. “As we look at candidates across the country, you need to make sure you have candidates that fit the district, that can win in these districts across America.”

That’s right; in a misguided quest for conservative votes, the party leadership has decided women’s rights are no longer a core issue for Democrats, and they’re going to start giving money to anti-abortion “Democrats.”

Disregarding the human rights of 50% of the party’s membership is a terrible idea, and I predict if they follow through with it they’re going to see it backfire disastrously. If women’s rights aren’t a non-negotiable issue for the Democratic Party, what is?

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Democrats’ Waffling on Abortion Rights Isn’t Just Wrong, It’s a Huge Political Mistake - In These Times

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Interesting Times Jul 31, 2017 • 10:33:08am

Ugh. And they already had excellent advance warning about this issue here:

Democrats’ Waffling on Abortion Rights Isn’t Just Wrong, It’s a Huge Political Mistake

Sanders’ and the Democrats’ shakiness on women’s reproductive freedom is a betrayal of progressive values, but it’s not just that. If Democrats wish to grow the party, going wobbly on its support of reproductive justice is counterproductive and remarkably short-sighted. Such a stance is wrong as a matter of principle and wrong as a matter of political pragmatism.

And:

Like Groome, I agree that abortion is profound moral issue, but unlike him, I believe that progressives need to start embracing abortion as a positive moral good, rather than stigmatizing it as a necessary evil. A lot of reproductive rights messaging has been euphemistic, equivocating and terrible—e.g., the Clintonite formulation that abortion should be “safe, legal and rare.” Then there is that old standby, “choice,” which conjures up a neoliberal vision of women as consumers in a marketplace, rather than as political subjects making demands of society and the state.
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As Groome suggests, Democrats need to find a way of talking about women’s reproductive rights in terms of morality and values. But the traditionalist Catholic doctrines he promotes are hardly the last word on morality. Supporters of reproductive justice also have a powerful moral vision, one rooted in progressive values like ending economic and gender oppression, expanding liberty and creating a society that serves human needs.

Read the whole thing.

Charles Johnson Jul 31, 2017 • 10:34:34am

Let me guess, you’re not a woman.

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Ace-o-aces Jul 31, 2017 • 10:38:06am

White evangelicals are extremely gullible. They still send money to Jim Bakker! @JimBakkerShow

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 10:38:57am

I have no idea whether this will work to change the number of Democrats who win Congressional districts.

There are quite a few different dynamics at action in American politics today. Identity politics is certainly making itself felt. Some of the older economic insecurity (old age pensions, for example) issues are still important. The rise of the religious right is a response in part to the ongoing de-Christianization of society, which is happening albeit slowly.

I find it a bit self-defeating to declare there are no “litmus tests” when a party has a platform. Is not the platform the nexus of ideas and goals?

Given that some of the people on my Facebook wall who voted for Trump seemed to be mostly driven by fanaticism over abortion, it’s not hard to understand why this idea of no “litmus” on abortion came about.

Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 10:42:37am

Nope.

Hell no.

You do not embrace the positions of the enemy to beat them.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jul 31, 2017 • 10:42:49am

What is the point of a Democratic Majority when it includes members who would side with the GOP? We could wind up with the same clusterf*ck that the GOP is having over health care.

CriticalDragon1177 Jul 31, 2017 • 10:44:35am

Charles Johnson,

This is something that’s likely to help them lose elections, not win them, since they just eliminated a key distinction between the parties. The Republicans will also continue to impose an anti abortion litmus test on their candidates, especially when it comes to people they want to nominate as judges.

nines09 Jul 31, 2017 • 10:45:28am

“And while we’re at it, fuck the Unions too! “

jfc

GlutenFreeJesus Jul 31, 2017 • 10:46:45am

Get on the phone, everyone. We need to remind them of what the party stands for. Dare I say this is as big a deal, if not bigger, than saving ACA.

Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jul 31, 2017 • 10:46:50am

re: #8 nines09

“And while we’re at it, fuck the Unions too! “

jfc

And preserving ACA and Medicare is not that vital an issue either…

wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 10:47:20am

Disregarding the human rights of 50% of the ~~party’s~~ planet’s membership is a terrible idea, and I predict if they follow through with it they’re going to see it backfire disastrously. If women’s rights aren’t a non-negotiable issue for the Democratic Party, what is?

Broadened that for you.

I am reminded of Trump’s action on day three of his pestidency: re-enacted and enlarged the Mexico City Policy.

Lujan should be demoted.

sagehen Jul 31, 2017 • 10:49:11am

re: #1 Interesting Times

Ugh. And they already had excellent advance warning about this issue here:

Democrats’ Waffling on Abortion Rights Isn’t Just Wrong, It’s a Huge Political Mistake

Lemme guess… this argument is coming from the same people who think “identity politics” is a loser.

It is true that back in the days when both parties were racist, homophobic and misogynist, Democrats and their progressive economics did have overwhelming electoral success.

Life then was pretty good for straight, white male Christians. Kinda sucked for everybody else, though.

Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 10:49:32am

re: #6 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What is the point of a Democratic Majority when it includes members who would side with the GOP? We could wind up with the same clusterf*ck that the GOP is having over health care.

We’ve been down this road before, it’s how the ACA became such a compromised mess, because the Blue Dogs in both houses would not agree to vote unless their conservative voters back home got some sort of assurance that funding wouldn’t go to abortion. Then the law passed and those same Blue Dogs got ran out on a rail in favor of Republicans who swore that they’d do everything they could to outlaw abortion.

The Vicious Babushka Jul 31, 2017 • 10:50:06am

What’s next, reclaiming “Dixiecrats”?

The Vicious Babushka Jul 31, 2017 • 10:50:41am

Democratic chairman: “Hey, let’s also support candidates who oppose abortion rights!”
The result, artist’s impression: pic.twitter.com/fW8aMl9qW7

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 10:50:45am

re: #14 The Vicious Babushka

That’s the real prize.

GlutenFreeJesus Jul 31, 2017 • 10:50:45am

@dccc actually, we do NOT want any anti-choice people in the party. Stop pandering to extremists just to gain votes. You’ll lose your soul.

— efuseakay (@efuseakay) July 31, 2017

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 10:50:46am

re: #4 freetoken

I have no idea whether this will work to change the number of Democrats who win Congressional districts.

There are quite a few different dynamics at action in American politics today. Identity politics is certainly making itself felt. Some of the older economic insecurity (old age pensions, for example) issues are still important. The rise of the religious right is a response in part to the ongoing de-Christianization of society, which is happening albeit slowly.

I find it a bit self-defeating to declare there are no “litmus tests” when a party has a platform. Is not the platform the nexus of ideas and goals?

Given that some of the people on my Facebook wall who voted for Trump seemed to be mostly driven by fanaticism over abortion, it’s not hard to understand why this idea of no “litmus” on abortion came about.

I am struggling mightily with this.

The whole abortion as a moral dilemma is abjectly stupid and to me abhorrent. Personally, as soon as you show any sway that abortion is a moral issue, you lose. Period. If it is morally wrong, it is wrong if you do it once or a million times. Abortion is removing a clump of cells. It is not a guarantee of a human being, it’s a potential person. If it cannot live outside of its host, it’s not a moral issue. (And third term abortions are to save either the mother or usually to remove a dead fetus. Third term abortions are a shiny object to get moral outrage geared to 1000.) The whole “as few as possible” when it comes to abortion is automatically ceding the moral argument. And to me, wrong. Abortions are surgical procedures and if a woman has 1000 abortions, so be it. No morality involved.

So, that’s my take on abortion.

But, that said, we have spoken many times about all politics being local. To get a democrat elected we might have to allow varying priorities throughout localities around the country.

**IF** people’s personal opinions are not going to affect their votes (a la Biden), this is a pill to be swallowed. Having democrats voting for anti-abortion legislation, that’s a completely different animal.

Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 10:52:06am

Women’s reproductive rights seems like a pretty good hill to die on.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jul 31, 2017 • 10:52:16am

re: #18 MsJ

I am struggling mightily with this.

The whole abortion as a moral dilemma is abjectly stupid and to me abhorrent.

It is about punishing women who have sex outside marriage by making them bear and raise an unwanted, often fatherless child.

wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 10:55:56am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is about punishing women who have sex outside marriage by making them bear and raise an unwanted, often fatherless child.

No it’s not. It’s the only way they see to take the vote away from women. In their personal lives, where it counts the most. Talk about politics being local…

Ace Rothstein Jul 31, 2017 • 10:57:06am

Hey guys! I have an awesome idea! Let’s get rid of the Civil Rights Act so we can win votes in Mississippi!

MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 10:58:59am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is about punishing women who have sex outside marriage by making them bear and raise an unwanted, often fatherless child.

I get that on the GOP side. I do not believe everyone feels that way (whether the result is the same or not, I get what you are saying). There are people who do not look at it as a way to punish women. They look at it from a moral perspective (religious women, for example. You don’t have anti-abortion 20 year olds who all want to play the vindictive card. Some believe that a child should be born and adopted.

The result is punishment to make a woman go through childbirth, but that’s not the intent.

I am about as pro-abortion as you could be…look at my take above. I, personally, think abortion is nothing more than a surgical procedure. I further think a fetus is a parasite
(the actual definition of a parasite) in that it cannot live without its host and it puts its host in a potentially deadly position of having to give birth because childbirth is not a simple thing and people do die in childbirth.

wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 10:59:59am

re: #18 MsJ

I am struggling mightily with this.

The whole abortion as a moral dilemma is abjectly stupid and to me abhorrent. Personally, as soon as you show any sway that abortion is a moral issue, you lose. Period. If it is morally wrong, it is wrong if you do it once or a million times. Abortion is removing a clump of cells. It is not a guarantee of a human being, it’s a potential person. If it cannot live outside of its host, it’s not a moral issue. (And third term abortions are to save either the mother or usually to remove a dead fetus. Third term abortions are a shiny object to get moral outrage geared to 1000.) The whole “as few as possible” when it comes to abortion is automatically ceding the moral argument. And to me, wrong. Abortions are surgical procedures and if a woman has 1000 abortions, so be it. No morality involved.

So, that’s my take on abortion.

But, that said, we have spoken many times about all politics being local. To get a democrat elected we might have to allow varying priorities throughout localities around the country.

**IF** people’s personal opinions are not going to affect their votes (a la Biden), this is a pill to be swallowed. Having democrats voting for anti-abortion legislation, that’s a completely different animal.

I see no struggle. You back candidates who are politically pro-choice. How they behave in their private lives matters not. Did I miss something?

sagehen Jul 31, 2017 • 11:02:32am

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is about punishing women who have sex outside marriage by making them bear and raise an unwanted, often fatherless child.

It’s also about punishing wives who think reproduction is not their primary purpose in life (and husbands who agree with them).

Ace-o-aces Jul 31, 2017 • 11:03:33am

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:03:53am

re: #21 wrenchwench

No it’s not. It’s the only way they see to take the vote away from women. In their personal lives, where it counts the most. Talk about politics being local…

Not just a vote, but often a future, or at least a future that is not filled with hardship because getting an education and working while supporting an infant and then a child is very expensive and time consuming.

A woman who has a child has many more hurdles to jump through to succeed. And republicans don’t want to help, they solely want to punish (and if you really listen to many republican religious zealots, they want the woman to marry whomever the father is, thus further increasing hardship, whether he beats her, hates her, etc.) So mother and child bear the burden of a more difficult future.

Renaissance_Man Jul 31, 2017 • 11:05:00am

As with any and all Democrat moves like this, this is ultimately futile and self-defeating.

Conservative cultists will never vote Democrat. Period. It doesn’t matter whether they agree with you on every single issue and the Republicans nominate an inanimate object, or worse, someone completely morally abhorrent, such as the president. It doesn’t matter if a Democrat walked up to them and gave them a job and cash personally. They will only vote for who they’re told to. And they always vote Republican. For as long as they have internet and cable TV, they will always, and only, vote Republican.

Belafon Jul 31, 2017 • 11:05:21am

I’ll have to find someone to write to when I get home.

wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 11:06:23am

re: #27 MsJ

Not just a vote, but often a future, or at least a future that is not filled with hardship because getting an education and working while supporting an infant and then a child is very expensive and time consuming.

A woman who has a child has many more hurdles to jump through to succeed. And republicans don’t want to help, they solely want to punish (and if you really listen to many republican religious zealots, they want the woman to marry whomever the father is, thus further increasing hardship, whether he beats her, hates her, etc.) So mother and child bear the burden of a more difficult future.

Keeping the women and children down. More room for the others to rise to the top.

MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:07:08am

re: #24 wrenchwench

I see no struggle. You back candidates who are politically pro-choice. How they behave in their private lives matters not. Did I miss something?

Kinda. If they are pro-choice and have no way of getting elected in deep red places that someone pro-choice could never win, then we all lose because republicans these days are not sane. So we get idiots like Cotton, Walsh, etc., etc., etc.

Would I prefer pro-choice people. Absolutely. I would actually prefer that abortion not be used to justify religious zealotry. But would I prefer a person who doesn’t want abortion - but is willing to not vote against abortion initiatives - over a zealot? 100% yes. Absolutely.

Interesting Times Jul 31, 2017 • 11:09:33am

re: #28 Renaissance_Man

As with any and all Democrat moves like this, this is ultimately futile and self-defeating.

Conservative cultists will never vote Democrat. Period. It doesn’t matter whether they agree with you on every single issue and the Republicans nominate an inanimate object, or worse, someone completely morally abhorrent, such as the president. It doesn’t matter if a Democrat walked up to them and gave them a job and cash personally. They will only vote for who they’re told to. And they always vote Republican. For as long as they have internet and cable TV, they will always, and only, vote Republican.

Absolutely true. It’s enough to make me wonder if my BoB friend is right and the Democrats are run by a bunch of professional losers who indirectly enable the GOPer agenda -_- Otherwise, why the HELL aren’t they focused on a strategy to get NON-voters to the polls as opposed to a futile quixotic quest that will not only fail to win over rightwing cultists, but alienate the Democratic base??

GlutenFreeJesus Jul 31, 2017 • 11:11:20am

@repbenraylujan you’re kidding us with this anti-choice bullshit, right? If not, you’re going to destroy party and assure Trump’s 2nd term.

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Romantic Heretic Jul 31, 2017 • 11:12:29am

Ya know, from here outside the States, it appears that you need two new political parties.

The GOP refuses to compromise on any of their principles, although none of their principles are worth shit. The Democrats are, apparently, willing to compromise on any principle no matter how important.

At the heart of both is pursuit of power for no other reason than to get power. Like dogs chasing a car they have no idea what to do with it once caught.

Except submit to their masters.

wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 11:12:47am

re: #31 MsJ

Kinda. If they are pro-choice and have no way of getting elected in deep red places that someone pro-choice could never win, then we all lose because republicans these days are not sane. So we get idiots like Cotton, Walsh, etc., etc., etc.

Would I prefer pro-choice people. Absolutely. I would actually prefer that abortion not be used to justify religious zealotry. But would I prefer a person who doesn’t want abortion - but is willing to not vote against abortion initiatives - over a zealot? 100% yes. Absolutely.

A respectable non-single-issue position.

The Vicious Babushka Jul 31, 2017 • 11:13:38am

I used to be very “pro-life” but even then I believed that abortion should always be allowed to save a woman’f life, or in case of rape or incest.

But after thinking about it, why should a rape victim have to be slut-shamed by providing all kinds of documentation proving that she was “legitimately” raped and therefore “deserving” of having an abortion?

I was also convinced that modern medicine could guarantee that the “life of the mother” could be spared without removing the fetus.

Then Savita Halappanavar died because her doctors were afraid to break the law.

Her life COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED but because of Ireland’s medieval abortion laws, her life wasn’t “in danger” until her condition had deteriorated to the point that she could no longer survive. A condition like pre-eclampsia can deteriorate in hours, but the legal system takes days, even weeks to get an override for prosecution for fetal murder.

“Saving a woman’s life” even if it includes removing the fetus BEFORE she enters an immediate life-threatening condition is a decision that should be made by THE PATIENT & MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ONLY not by lawmakers.

Having special “exceptions” for rape, incest, and “life of the mother” is NOT PRO-LIFE.

dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 11:13:40am

re: #32 Interesting Times

…why the HELL aren’t they focused on a strategy to get NON-voters to the polls as opposed to a futile quixotic quest that will not only fail to win over rightwing cultists, but alienate the Democratic base??

expanding the pie (market) is a much wiser strategy than slicing and dicing, fighting over pieces and crumbs of the existing pie.

there is a huge untapped market. easier to mint a new ally than make a convert (these days)

Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 11:15:26am

Any hill is a good hill to die on, if dying is what you’re after.

BeachDem Jul 31, 2017 • 11:16:41am

re: #18 MsJ

I am struggling mightily with this.

The whole abortion as a moral dilemma is abjectly stupid and to me abhorrent. Personally, as soon as you show any sway that abortion is a moral issue, you lose. Period. If it is morally wrong, it is wrong if you do it once or a million times. Abortion is removing a clump of cells. It is not a guarantee of a human being, it’s a potential person. If it cannot live outside of its host, it’s not a moral issue. (And third term abortions are to save either the mother or usually to remove a dead fetus. Third term abortions are a shiny object to get moral outrage geared to 1000.) The whole “as few as possible” when it comes to abortion is automatically ceding the moral argument. And to me, wrong. Abortions are surgical procedures and if a woman has 1000 abortions, so be it. No morality involved.

So, that’s my take on abortion.

But, that said, we have spoken many times about all politics being local. To get a democrat elected we might have to allow varying priorities throughout localities around the country.

**IF** people’s personal opinions are not going to affect their votes (a la Biden), this is a pill to be swallowed. Having democrats voting for anti-abortion legislation, that’s a completely different animal.

I totally agree with everything you’ve said. And as to your last two paragraphs, the DCCC has kind of always supported some “personally pro-life” (I hate that term) Dems, but they haven’t run their mouths about it. Not saying I like it. But it happens all the time.

Renaissance_Man Jul 31, 2017 • 11:17:20am

re: #32 Interesting Times

Absolutely true. It’s enough to make me wonder if my BoB friend is right and the Democrats are run by a bunch of professional losers who indirectly enable the GOPer agenda -_- Otherwise, why the HELL aren’t they focused on a strategy to get NON-voters to the polls as opposed to a futile quixotic quest that will not only fail to win over rightwing cultists, but alienate the Democratic base??

Because, like basically everyone in the US, they follow the dominant media narrative. And the dominant media narrative blasted on every single network is that Democrats are too far left, they’ve become too liberal, blah blah total bullshit blah. If only Democrats would see sense, then maybe the nice white working class people would vote for them again.

Fuck the cultural supremacy of this mythological white working class. For decades, US media has done everything possible to reinforce it and pander to their self-image.

The Vicious Babushka Jul 31, 2017 • 11:17:39am

Democrats are so afraid of being called “intolerant” by not welcoming racist, anti-choice bigoted white people, while Republicans will embrace all kinds of abhorrent ideas while rejecting minorities, women, people of color, gays, transgenders and non-Christians.

MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:17:57am

re: #37 dangerman

expanding the pie (market) is a much wiser strategy than slicing and dicing, fighting over pieces and crumbs of the existing pie.

there is a huge untapped market. easier to mint a new ally than make a convert (these days)

There is little pie expansion when we have local elected officials who are republican nuts. When we have the electoral college with no way to make inroads into deep red states.

We can further expand cities, but rural areas who have been brainwashed by 25+ years of Limbaugh and Fox (and now the real loonies) make inroads into those places, the places we need to win elections top to bottom, much harder.

retired cynic Jul 31, 2017 • 11:18:12am

re: #39 BeachDem

Fred Clark at Slacktivist is about as good a religious voice on the history of abortion as a knee jerk issue as anyone. He might help clarify things.

Belafon Jul 31, 2017 • 11:20:59am

re: #39 BeachDem

I totally agree with everything you’ve said. And as to your last two paragraphs, the DCCC has kind of always supported some “personally pro-life” (I hate that term) Dems, but they haven’t run their mouths about it. Not saying I like it. But it happens all the time.

One of them was Harry Reid.

jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:21:40am

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 11:21:40am

Critics on both sides are saying the DNC doesn’t seem to stand for anything but anti-Trump sentiment. There’s all sorts of criticism about how it seems the DNC isn’t embracing progressive ideals. So the solution the party decides is to just go ahead and prove those critics right, while signaling that regressive ideals will be welcome in the party if it wins us a few white male votes.

FFS, this is how the DNC pulls defeat from the jaws of victory, by second-guessing itself at a time when it can least afford to do so.

BeachDem Jul 31, 2017 • 11:21:51am

re: #32 Interesting Times

Absolutely true. It’s enough to make me wonder if my BoB friend is right and the Democrats are run by a bunch of professional losers who indirectly enable the GOPer agenda -_- Otherwise, why the HELL aren’t they focused on a strategy to get NON-voters to the polls as opposed to a futile quixotic quest that will not only fail to win over rightwing cultists, but alienate the Democratic base??

As Charlie Pierce says:

The only way for the Democrats to weaponize properly the fact that we are now being governed by a claque of dimwitted saloon bouncers is for the party not to be overly concerned about insulting the people who put the claque of dimwitted saloon bouncers into office.
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BlueGrl21 Jul 31, 2017 • 11:22:17am

As much as I loathe the idea of an ideological litmus test, this one is a hill to die on.

People may be morally opposed to abortion in their private lives, fine. That’s their private lives. They don’t get to make or vote for legislation based on what their private choice would be. This is not difficult. Joe Biden managed to be strongly pro-choice and women’s rights throughout his career while having a private religious faith that was anti-abortion. So has Tim Kaine.

If someone votes as a Democrat on 99% of issues but votes against abortion rights, do we not want them for that 99%? Well, the fact is, I know of no politician that straddles that fence. I know of no pro-life argument that does not come from personal faith, and that faith comes with a whole set of other beliefs. I am sure there are some outliers out there with some random academic argument that is “liberal pro-life” but it would be way outside the norm.

So the idea of a Democrat that votes with us except on this ONE issue is a red herring. Not how today’s politics work. Voting pro-life comes with a lot of other baggage.

MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:22:56am

re: #39 BeachDem

I totally agree with everything you’ve said. And as to your last two paragraphs, the DCCC has kind of always supported some “personally pro-life” (I hate that term) Dems, but they haven’t run their mouths about it. Not saying I like it. But it happens all the time.

I don’t even like voicing the stuff I said above. But there is political reality.

We have not been able to re-frame Pro-Life (because they are not). We cannot get away from Pro-Abortion (v pro-choice) which right wing nuts always see as pro-murder.

You can’t discuss science any longer without bringing religious fundamentalism into the fray (creationism, intelligent design, etc.). How do we get the science concerning zygotes vs embryo vs fetus vs baby into any discussion without being labeled murderers?

freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 11:25:17am

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Any hill is a good hill to die on, if dying is what you’re after.

Trump is going to make America die on the hill of his ego.

Anyway, politics is the art of compromise.

This issue - of abortion - to me seems like one of those issues over which compromise is quite difficult for most people. That is understandable.

So if this issue is uncompromisable, then our politics is going to get quite distorted in an attempt to accommodate immovable voting blocs.

EPR-radar Jul 31, 2017 • 11:25:40am

re: #48 BlueGrl21

That’s pretty much how I see it. There’s really no point in having a Democratic elected official that doesn’t vote pro-choice.

Barefoot Grin Jul 31, 2017 • 11:26:38am

The only way the abortion issue allows for compromise is by allowing for safe, legal abortions.

The Vicious Babushka Jul 31, 2017 • 11:27:56am

I am saying that the people who claim they are “Pro-Life” ARE NOT ACTUALLY PRO LIFE because their policies cause people to die.

Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 11:28:00am

re: #50 freetoken

Trump is going to make America die on the hill of his ego.

Anyway, politics is the art of compromise.

This issue - of abortion - to me seems like one of those issues over which compromise is quite difficult for most people. That is understandable.

So if this issue is uncompromisable, then our politics is going to get quite distorted in an attempt to accommodate immovable voting blocs.

I’m an old-style Dem. I’ll take help from any miserable motherfucker who will help with half my goals if the alternative is certain, and perhaps permanent, frustration of those goals.

Interesting Times Jul 31, 2017 • 11:29:09am

re: #49 MsJ

You can’t discuss science any longer without bringing religious fundamentalism into the fray (creationism, intelligent design, etc.). How do we get the science concerning zygotes vs embryo vs fetus vs baby into any discussion without being labeled murderers?

As per the article I posted above, reframe the issue as Reproductive Justice:

Abortion is, of course, also an economic issue. This is an idea we’re hearing a lot about these days, but since many progressives still have not fully integrated it into their worldview, it bears repeating.

Abortion is an economic issue in two senses: First of all, it is about what class of women gets an abortion, and thus is most profoundly affected when abortion access is denied. Poor women have a rate of unintended pregnancy five times the rate of higher-income women (those with incomes at least 200 percent of the poverty level), and fully 75 percent of women who have abortions are poor or low-income.

And:

Parker, whom In These Times profiled in 2015, is an African-American ob-gyn who every day risks his life by performing abortions in the Deep South, where other doctors refuse because of violent threats. He is also a devout Christian who approaches his calling with a powerful sense of religious mission. “I believe that as an abortion provider, I am doing God’s work,” he writes. For Parker, providing abortions for the women who need them is an act of radical Christian love, because “alleviating needless suffering is a Christian’s most sacred responsibility.”

sagehen Jul 31, 2017 • 11:29:46am

dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 11:30:02am

re: #42 MsJ

There is little pie expansion when we have local elected officials who are republican nuts. When we have the electoral college with no way to make inroads into deep red states.

We can further expand cities, but rural areas who have been brainwashed by 25+ years of Limbaugh and Fox (and now the real loonies) make inroads into those places, the places we need to win elections top to bottom, much harder.

well as with all market research, first identify how many are not voting / participating and why. the answer to that question tells you whether talking to them and registering them is worthwhile. i’m talking macro, not micro

The Vicious Babushka Jul 31, 2017 • 11:30:15am

Speaking of “choice”==>

Make good work choices and then you will get paid more. Its up to you. #BlackWomensEqualPay

— William Aho (@Wahotaho) July 31, 2017

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Data consistently shows “choices” aren’t to blame for racial and gender wage gaps: https://t.co/W7LF1NOFo9 #BlackWomensEqualPay https://t.co/KyqmmVYcEo

— Rewire (@Rewire_News) July 31, 2017

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 11:30:24am

re: #46 Targetpractice

Critics on both sides are saying the DNC doesn’t seem to stand for anything but anti-Trump sentiment. There’s all sorts of criticism about how it seems the DNC isn’t embracing progressive ideals. […]

I’m not up on all the critiques of the current DNC.

But your point is one I can embrace.

Why not, instead of saying there are no litmus tests, come out with a positive statement of the Democratic Party’s goals are for America? Why not put central in the public eye talking points like assured equality of all people, of access to opportunities for all people, of a sound Social Security, etc.

It seems to me it is easier to catch more flies with honey than with a blank piece of paper.

jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:32:08am

re: #58 The Vicious Babushka

Another high-schooler for Trump.

wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 11:32:24am

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

[a good part of a good comment removed…]

A condition like pre-eclampsia can deteriorate in hours, but the legal system takes days, even weeks to get an override for prosecution for fetal murder.

“Saving a woman’s life” even if it includes removing the fetus BEFORE she enters an immediate life-threatening condition is a decision that should be made by THE PATIENT & MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ONLY not by lawmakers.

Having special “exceptions” for rape, incest, and “life of the mother” is NOT PRO-LIFE.

I never heard of placenta accreta until last week, yet it rivals pre-eclampsia in killing mothers. Abortion has less risk than birth, even without such conditions.

jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:33:53am

JUST IN: Joe Arpaio, former Sheriff of Maricopa County, found GUILTY of criminal contempt. Sentencing set for 10/5/17 10am @FOX10Phoenix pic.twitter.com/hMTwV8xLps

— Marcy Jones Fox 10 (@MarcyJonesFox10) July 31, 2017

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:35:18am

re: #55 Interesting Times

Abortion is, of course, also an economic issue. This is an idea we’re hearing a lot about these days, but since many progressives still have not fully integrated it into their worldview, it bears repeating.

I believe that I read not too long ago that the majority of abortions performed are on married women who already have children and cannot afford to have or cannot take care of any more.

I can’t imagine having a child knowing I could not take care of it. And I cannot imagine being forced to give birth. Both concepts are completely and absolutely abhorrent to me.

I appreciate what that doctor said and for what he does. I would still like religion and science (much like religion and state) to stand alone.

EPR-radar Jul 31, 2017 • 11:35:19am

re: #62 jaunte

That’s great news, especially since Arpaio could go into the dictionary definition of ‘contempt of court’.

dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 11:35:40am

we’re dealing with two issues at the same time:
1. abortion
2. whether this is a good political policy

unfortunately the framing of the first has an effect on the second

as msj said “The whole abortion as a moral dilemma is abjectly stupid”

in the usa, it should be a constitutional argument

i have to go out - i’ll explain later , if the place is still here

wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 11:36:44am

re: #62 jaunte

[Sentencing set for 10/5/17 10am]

Pink underwear! On his head!

jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:36:58am

Trump Removes Anthony Scaramucci From Communications Director Role https://t.co/tWfYeWAieJ

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) July 31, 2017

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

jeffreyw Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:00am

Imgur

Marching to a different drumstick.

Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:04am

re: #62 jaunte

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When does Trump announce his pardon?

BlueGrl21 Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:14am

re: #54 Decatur Deb

I’m an old-style Dem. I’ll take help from any miserable motherfucker who will help with half my goals if the alternative is certain, and perhaps permanent, frustration of those goals.

I’m a Texas Dem. There is no other way to function and stay sane.

But I think the idea of a mystical pony Democrat that is pro-life but is with us on other issues is just not how things work today. Voting pro-life is a set of faith values. Which is why the party is changing the platform….so that candidates can adapt to the faith values of their constituents.

Again, I’m not in favor of ideological purity tests. We see hybrids like anti gun-control Democrats. But i just don’t see it when it comes to abortion rights.

freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:35am

re: #67 jaunte

Wait… what?

So soon?

Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:45am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

Fuck, that was fast.

Ace-o-aces Jul 31, 2017 • 11:37:46am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

Mooch out as comms director per sources

— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) July 31, 2017

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NO CHAOS IN WH!!!! ALL IS WELL!!!!!

MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:38:14am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

And what we did know, we needed industrial strength soap to wash off.

Franklin Jul 31, 2017 • 11:38:31am

NEWS:

Breaking News: President Trump has decided to remove Anthony Scaramucci from his position as communications director https://t.co/TvcLHNyPKB

— The New York Times (@nytimes) July 31, 2017

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Benny Hill Theme

goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2017 • 11:38:50am

pic.twitter.com/OMRrQv80oc

— Frankly My Dear 🐁 (@goddamnedfrank) July 31, 2017

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:39:22am

re: #70 BlueGrl21

voting pro-life is a set of faith values.

Rendered even more complex when it appears the same set of values is linked to racism.

Belafon Jul 31, 2017 • 11:39:34am

re: #70 BlueGrl21

But I think the idea of a mystical pony Democrat that is pro-life but is with us on other issues is just not how things work today.

Once again, until 2017, we had one as the leader of Senate Democrats.

MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:39:56am

If you wonder why Mooch is out…watch this video. This is the craziest stuff I think I have ever seen in politics. Dude is freaking nuts.

The Insane New Yorker Interview: A dramatic reënactment Brian Huskey reenacts the phone call… https://t.co/T0dUnCE5lt via @washingtonpost pic.twitter.com/8AyefyJ3ze

— The_News_DIVA🎀 (@The_News_DIVA) July 31, 2017

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Charles Johnson Jul 31, 2017 • 11:40:45am

Scaramucci is OUT! This is fucking insane.

jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:40:49am

The Mooch that lives half as long burns twice as bright.

— Sam Adams (@SamuelAAdams) July 31, 2017

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 11:40:54am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

I heard his days were numbered.

One is the loneliest number .

Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 11:40:59am

The Mooch just resigned!

GlutenFreeJesus Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:21am

Lmao

jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:33am

I’ve seen douchebags on fire off the shoulder of O’Bannon…

Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:34am

re: #70 BlueGrl21

I’m a Texas Dem. There is no other way to function and stay sane.

But I think the idea of a mystical pony Democrat that is pro-life but is with us on other issues is just not how things work today. Voting pro-life is a set of faith values. Which is why the party is changing the platform….so that candidates can adapt to the faith values of their constituents.

Again, I’m not in favor of ideological purity tests. We see hybrids like anti gun-control Democrats. But i just don’t see it when it comes to abortion rights.

As a Dem operating in the AL-FL area, my first thought ran to the critical influence of the African American churches. We can’t afford to lose them, and their battle for racial justice cannot afford to lose middle class White women. It’s fun to be a Dem.

Joe Bacon 🌹 Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:43am

Hmmmmmm…something’s telling me I know who will be Hannity’s Special Guest tonight…

MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:46am

re: #77 jaunte

Rendered even more complex when it appears the same set of values is linked to racism.

Perceived racism. I think more white women have abortions than WOC.

Much like more white people get food stamps and other government help than POC.

So it is perception that is racist (in the eye of the racist beholder) vs. the reality which is neither racist or not..it’s just what it is.

A Mom Anon Jul 31, 2017 • 11:41:58am

Sigh. Sigh. Sigh.

By doing this, the Democrats are putting this issue to the forefront which is just fucking stupid. The vast majority of Americans do not think this should be a reason to elect or not elect anyone. I see no other medical procedure shamed and policed like this. They got their fucking Hyde Amendment and it’s STILL not enough for them.

Goddamnit. This country has so many other huge problems to fix, the Democrats need to be putting out press releases about those issues and an outline of a plan to fix them. We need to fix our messed up education system, both primary and secondary. We need to get to some form of universal healthcare and figure out ways to bring down costs. We have infrastructure that is literally falling apart. In some areas the development and destruction of land is out of control, while just down the road huge buildings and homes are sitting empty and decaying (I cannot be the only person living in an area like this), we have homelessness and poverty beyond any excusable level, guns are now fetish items and the list is endless. What a woman in the position of what to do about her reproductive health should be no one’s fucking business.

Yeah, I’m getting on the phone to my state level Dems and the national offices, this is just bullshit. Where are the Democratic women in leadership on this? They need to stand up now. Someone needs an Auntie Maxine to grab him by the ear and tell him to stfu. GAH.

Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 11:42:15am

Breaking News: President Trump has decided to remove Anthony Scaramucci from his position as communications director https://t.co/TvcLHNyPKB

— The New York Times (@nytimes) July 31, 2017

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Life comes at you pretty fast… https://t.co/m23Y8gTji9

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) July 31, 2017

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:42:15am

re: #78 Belafon

Once again, until 2017, we had one as the leader of Senate Democrats.

And as Vice President.

Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 11:42:21am

So in less than two weeks, Mooch comes in and runs off two key White House staff, boasts about he reports directly to Trump rather than the replacement Chief of Staff, and then gets his ass shit-canned before CoB Monday.

Now we all get whiplash as the wingnut chorus who was just singing Mooch’s praises now pat Kelly on the back for firing his ass.

EPR-radar Jul 31, 2017 • 11:43:43am

re: #78 Belafon

Once again, until 2017, we had one as the leader of Senate Democrats.

It gets confusing when the personal and political are conflated. Politically Reid was pro-choice. He voted that way consistently, AFAIK. His personal views on the subject are mostly irrelevant.

If the Democrats are considering running candidates who would vote anti-choice, that would be a change from before, and not a change for the better IMO.

jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:44:32am

The more pressure from Russia or Mueller, the more chaos in the White House.

piratedan Jul 31, 2017 • 11:44:36am

re: #89 A Mom Anon

agreed..

by all means lets introduce the fucking culture war memes while all this shit is going on…

fucking own goal..

we have healthcare, income inequality, foriegn policy, treason, dark money in elections and you come to the fucking podium with THIS? I’m sure that THIS is the topic that will get voters to the polls.

stupid af

Timothy Watson Jul 31, 2017 • 11:45:10am

re: #90 Kragar

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Somebody told Trump about all the negative things Mook had said about him before.

MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:45:37am

re: #93 EPR-radar

It gets confusing when the personal and political are conflated. Politically Reid was pro-choice. He voted that way consistently, AFAIK. His personal views on the subject are mostly irrelevant.

If the Democrats are considering running candidates who would vote anti-choice, that would be a change from before, and not a change for the better IMO.

And one I would wholly and completely be against.

MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:45:50am

Some good news for Obamacare in Ohio: insurers will fill 19 of the state’s empty 20 counties. https://t.co/rqpBn4sISA

— Sarah Kliff (@sarahkliff) July 31, 2017

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Congratulations 2 President Trump that ACA isn’t broken after all.

Sorry about your talking points that Obamacare is broken.

Confusing. https://t.co/5TOLNoEIPW

— Andy Slavitt (@ASlavitt) July 31, 2017

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BeachDem Jul 31, 2017 • 11:46:10am

re: #78 Belafon

Once again, until 2017, we had one as the leader of Senate Democrats.

And other than running their mouths about it, this is not new:

in the 2006 midterm elections, the party recruited — and supported financially — a significant number of Democrats who did not entirely support abortion rights, including former Reps. Brad Ellsworth (Ind.), Baron Hill (Ind.), Heath Shuler (N.C.) and Jason Altmire (Pa.).

“Both [then-DCCC Chairman] Rahm Emanuel and [then-Democratic National Committee Chairman] Howard Dean with his 50 state strategy understood that in order to win districts that had eluded Democrats in previous cycles, they were going to have to field candidates who didn’t look like national Democrats,” Altmire told The Hill. “People understood the class of ‘06 was driven largely by the centrist candidates.”

thehill.com

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2017 • 11:46:13am

re: #92 Targetpractice

So in less than two weeks, Mooch comes in and runs off two key White House staff, boasts about he reports directly to Trump rather than the replacement Chief of Staff, and then gets his ass shit-canned before CoB Monday.

Now we all get whiplash as the wingnut chorus who was just singing Mooch’s praises now pat Kelly on the back for firing his ass.

What I see here is that tr*mp really is a weathervane, heavily influenced by the most recent conversation he’s had. So if Kelly wanted the Mooch gone, all he had to do was make sure he got a conversation with tr*mp that ended with ‘fire the Mooch’ and act immediately on it.

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Ace Rothstein Jul 31, 2017 • 11:46:19am

Someone must have told Trump about Mooch’s gay porn fetish.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:46:26am

Cornyn being Cornym.

NYT: President Barack Obama went through four chiefs of staff— five if you count Pete Rouse, who served in an interim capacity.

— JohnCornyn (@JohnCornyn) July 31, 2017

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LOL. Obama was President for 8 years not six months. https://t.co/ToZVmitfxw

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 31, 2017

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Franklin Jul 31, 2017 • 11:46:54am

re: #98 MsJ

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Market certainty is a hell of a drug. More please!

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BeachDem Jul 31, 2017 • 11:47:22am

Maggie, she of palace intrigue, says:

Trump is moving Scaramucci from comms role, may still get another slot, @GlennThrush@shearm and me https://t.co/50p6y92Fyg

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) July 31, 2017

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 11:47:31am

So what now, does Huckabooboo get promoted to Communications Director via Klingon promotion?

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Ace Rothstein Jul 31, 2017 • 11:47:37am

re: #102 MsJ

Cornyn being Cornym.

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That idiot is one my state’s senators, I’m sorry.

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Skip Intro Jul 31, 2017 • 11:47:55am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

He was always better suited for the Department of Wet Work anyway.

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 11:48:20am

re: #90 Kragar

Wait whut?

LOL

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:48:58am

I wonder if the Chinese will want to buy his company now.

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Franklin Jul 31, 2017 • 11:49:07am

re: #106 Ace Rothstein

That idiot is one my state’s senators, I’m sorry.

And the other idiot is an idiot too!

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 11:49:32am

re: #105 Targetpractice

So what now, does Huckabooboo get promoted to Communications Director via Klingon promotion?

She will pay the Iron Price.

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lizardofid Jul 31, 2017 • 11:49:43am

re: #86 Decatur Deb

As a Dem operating in the AL-FL area, my first thought ran to the critical influence of the African American churches. We can’t afford to lose them, and their battle for racial justice cannot afford to lose middle class White women. It’s fun to be a Dem.

Asymmetric politics?

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A Mom Anon Jul 31, 2017 • 11:49:48am

re: #95 piratedan

I get that this may be an issue for some churches that consistently vote Democratic. I am a white woman, when I first came to Atlanta (many many years ago) I was actually welcomed into two African American churches. I don’t ever remember this being talked about either from the pulpit or in study groups, potluck suppers or even social justice related meetings the churches had. They were more concerned with police brutality, poverty, street violence, homelessness and education.

I would love to hear the logic behind this announcement. I really would.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:50:01am

Sure, but … there’s no chaos. No chaos. Fine tuned machine.

— John Wright (@TheWrightJohn) July 31, 2017

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Skip Intro Jul 31, 2017 • 11:50:11am

Next Kelly should remove Javanka from the West Wing.

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b.d. (bill d.) Jul 31, 2017 • 11:50:11am

re: #67 jaunte

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Mooch, we hardly knew ya.

LOL, do Spicey and Preibus get their jobs back now?

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:50:50am

re: #115 Skip Intro

Next Kelly should remove Javanka from the West Wing.

I do not see that as being even remotely possible.

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Belafon Jul 31, 2017 • 11:51:07am

re: #93 EPR-radar

It gets confusing when the personal and political are conflated. Politically Reid was pro-choice. He voted that way consistently, AFAIK. His personal views on the subject are mostly irrelevant.

If the Democrats are considering running candidates who would vote anti-choice, that would be a change from before, and not a change for the better IMO.

Agree. At the Democratic luncheon I went to recently, abortion was brought up. The position of the leadership was basically that they were against abortion personally, but they weren’t going to impose the choice for others. They wanted “safe, legal, and rare.”

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 11:51:10am

re: #112 lizardofid

Asymmetric politics?

All politics is Vogon.

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Ace-o-aces Jul 31, 2017 • 11:51:19am

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Scaramucci is OUT! This is fucking insane.

The BEST people!

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:03am

Is this the first White House hire to be fired before his start date?

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:08am

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Scaramucci is OUT! This is fucking insane.

~~Spicer~~ Scar, we hardly knew ye

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Timothy Watson Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:23am

The A Team lasted six months, the B Team lasted two weeks, how long will the C Team last?

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The Vicious Babushka Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:24am

Scaramucci lost his job.

Lost his president.

Lost his wife.

Lost his home.

Bet he wishes he could suck his own cock NOW.

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) July 31, 2017

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BlueGrl21 Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:35am

re: #91 MsJ

And as Vice President.

Reid talked about being pro-life but didn’t necessarily vote that way, especially later in his career.

Biden always voted pro-choice even though he was personally pro-life.

I’m concerned about how they would vote, not their personal stances on abortion.

But, more importantly, The Mooch has left the building. I’m a bit sad. He was my favorite member of Trump’s administration for comedic potential.

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Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 11:52:44am

Office Trumper still thinks things are going fine.

He also thinks empyting out the State Dept is great for America.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 11:53:05am

re: #113 A Mom Anon

I get that this may be an issue for some churches that consistently vote Democratic. I am a white woman, when I first came to Atlanta (many many years ago) I was actually welcomed into two African American churches. I don’t ever remember this being talked about either from the pulpit or in study groups, potluck suppers or even social justice related meetings the churches had. They were more concerned with police brutality, poverty, street violence, homelessness and education.

I would love to hear the logic behind this announcement. I really would.

Atlanta isn’t Two Egg.

en.wikipedia.org

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makeitstop Jul 31, 2017 • 11:53:13am

Mook…

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

[catches breath]

HAWWWWWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAAAAAHAAAA….

[faints]

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:53:16am

re: #126 Kragar

Show him that Vanity Fair article on the Energy Department.

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Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 11:54:04am

re: #129 jaunte

Show him that Vanity Fair article on the Energy Department.

He wouldn’t read it. “Fake news”, dontcha know?

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:54:40am

re: #129 jaunte

Show him that Vanity Fair article on the Energy Department.

Scariest goddamned thing I have read in the era of trump. Seriously, that was terrifying.

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 11:54:47am

I guess Mooch now gets to find out the reason you’re supposed to be nice to the people you meet on the way up.

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goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2017 • 11:54:50am

re: #104 BeachDem

Maggie, she of palace intrigue, says:

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Letting the Mooch remain in any capacity would be a colossal mistake. He’s metaphysically incapable of learning from his mistakes or controlling his rages and it’s hard enough dealing with those same traits in the President. All keeping Scaramucci on would accomplish is proving yet again that this Administration is utterly hopeless.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:55:22am

EL OH EL

Scaramucci removed before his official start date https://t.co/xDZ6MZ8ifq

— Annie Karni (@anniekarni) July 31, 2017

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 11:55:41am

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

Letting the Mooch remain in any capacity would be a colossal mistake. He’s metaphysically incapable of learning from his mistakes or controlling his rages and it’s hard enough dealing with those same traits in the President. All keeping Scaramucci on would accomplish is proving yet again that this Administration is utterly hopeless.

Which means Trump will do it in a heartbeat.

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:10am

re: #115 Skip Intro

Next Kelly should remove Javanka from the West Wing.

But her re-decorated all white office! On our dime!

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:10am

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

Letting the Mooch remain in any capacity would be a colossal mistake. He’s metaphysically incapable of learning from his mistakes or controlling his rages and it’s hard enough dealing with those same traits in the President. All keeping Scaramucci on would accomplish is proving yet again that this Administration is utterly hopeless.

In other words, he’s Trump with better neckwear.

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Kilroy was here Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:14am

Comedians the country over are crying out in horror at the firing of Scaramucci.
All that low hanging fruit gone to waste.

Sad

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:16am

Live look at Trump’s cabinet. pic.twitter.com/bIK9NCeaiN

— James Downie (@jamescdownie) July 28, 2017

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lizardofid Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:40am

re: #119 Decatur Deb

All politics is Vogon.

Only slightly more complicated than a diagram of middle east proxies and alliances.

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Mike Lamb Jul 31, 2017 • 11:56:54am

So I’m torn on this, at least in terms of actual impact. I’m not going to sit at home/not vote Democrat if my local or national candidate is pro-choice just because a Dem candidate in Kentucky is anti-choice. I would hope others feel similarly.

But I’m certainly not voting for anyone that is anti-choice just because there is a “D” behind their name.

And I think the circumstances in which a person is anti-choice, but is otherwise reliably Democrat are pretty narrow. So who would we be electing? Manchin is about as blue dog as it gets, but he still (usually) helps move the ball down the field…

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 11:57:26am

re: #139 jaunte

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sagehen Jul 31, 2017 • 11:57:52am

re: #114 MsJ

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That’s the shortest ever tenure as CoS.

Mooch: Hold my beer.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 31, 2017

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This was mean spirited. Should have been “hold my motherfucking beer” https://t.co/ZpVvRE915M

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 31, 2017

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 11:58:48am

Schrodinger’s Comms Director

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Ace-o-aces Jul 31, 2017 • 11:59:00am

I’m most upset that we may loose this parody account.

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) July 31, 2017

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wheat-dogg Jul 31, 2017 • 11:59:19am

I blinked, and Mooch lost his job.

If I blink again, will Trump lose his, too?

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 11:59:20am

re: #139 jaunte

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OMG that was hilarious.

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Ace Rothstein Jul 31, 2017 • 11:59:26am

Scaramucci resigning to spend less time with his family.

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dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 11:59:54am

it is not a moral question and should never be framed that way

if you have moral concerns you should speak to someone who can help you come to terms with the reality of your having moral concerns over someone else’s legal behavior

there are in fact many such examples - how tax money is spent, certain financial and business dealings, use of alcohol, divorce, unmarried-consensual-adult sex, use of contraception, appropriate dress, tattoos, piercings etc — things you find morally wrong that you would never do that still are legal and actually quite widespread

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 12:00:45pm

Ok. Ok. Kelly is cleaning house. He’s fired Mooch. Excellent.

Now do Trump.

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) July 31, 2017

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 12:00:48pm

Everything the yam touches dies.

His life is so fucked up now.

MSNBC’s @SRuhle just now: she spoke to Anthony Scaramucci last night and he had no idea this was coming…

— Yashar Ali (@yashar) July 31, 2017

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William Lewis Jul 31, 2017 • 12:00:59pm

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

I am saying that the people who claim they are “Pro-Life” ARE NOT ACTUALLY PRO LIFE because their policies cause people to die.

This is a far more important formation of the issue to use. Throw it in their faces: They can not be Pro-Life while they starve children, while they prevent children from getting health care, while they destroy education, while the child does not have a warm and safe home with parents who make a living wage.

Reproductive rights are a critical part of this but the most effective rhetorical element would be to remind people of this:

“I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.”

Sister Joan Chittister, O.S.B

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:02:08pm

We go live to the White House Press Room to get a statement:

Han Solo All Fine Here

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 12:02:15pm

Day One and Kelly is already exposed https://t.co/VSaLDGRWZv

— digby (@digby56) July 31, 2017

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The new clock is running.

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goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2017 • 12:02:46pm

John Kelly called James Comey after he was fired and said he was considering resigning in solidarity, sources say https://t.co/8s8NYB0rIw

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) July 31, 2017

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 12:03:01pm

BREAKING: Anthony Scaramucci out as White House communications director, sources tell CNN https://t.co/fl3QzQ8lZm

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) July 31, 2017

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Damn this show kills off more characters then Game of Thrones. #Mooch https://t.co/PZeEcclrGu

— Sean Danzy (@Danzism) July 31, 2017

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Charles Johnson Jul 31, 2017 • 12:03:03pm

The Mooch is history. LOL. Shortest-lived WH comms director ever. What a clusterfuck. And right after Trump tweeted “NO CHAOS!”

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 31, 2017

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A Mom Anon Jul 31, 2017 • 12:03:30pm

re: #127 Decatur Deb

I understand that. But aren’t there other issues that Democrats could use to court those small town people? My family is from a teeny little burg in SE Ohio. The place has been ravaged by factories packing up and leaving nothing to replace those jobs. The town is right off of what’s called the Heroin Highway (State Route 33). I don’t think abortion is on the top of anyone’s list there. If Democrats went into those areas and had solid plans on what to do about addiction, poverty and unemployment, they’d be able to win. Those places are hanging on by a thread and most of the hope and optimism is gone.

I know the South is a different culture in many ways (I’ve lived in GA for over 30 years now), but it wouldn’t kill our party to begin appealing to the shit that worries people in their day to day lives instead of dragging up culture war shit over and over. If the other side does it, then we fight back with “and how does that help the cost of college, or keeping food on the table, or fixing the broken water pipes?” I don’t get why this is so hard.

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fern01 Jul 31, 2017 • 12:03:50pm

re: #126 Kragar

Office Trumper still thinks things are going fine.

He also thinks empyting out the State Dept is great for America.

Do believe this is the hill that will bring trump down. Not sure if there are any nations left he could call friends of the US, now he has lost Russia. The situation with NK will not be solved by tweeting commands to China.

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makeitstop Jul 31, 2017 • 12:04:04pm

re: #146 wheat-dogg

I blinked, and Mooch lost his job.

If I blink again, will Trump lose his, too?

Worth a shot. Go for it.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 12:04:07pm

And now, a dozen Chaos vs. 2D Chess essays.

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Timothy Watson Jul 31, 2017 • 12:04:12pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

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Ah, shit, I hope Trump is watching CNN when they air that story.

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Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2017 • 12:04:15pm

re: #150 jaunte

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That would be some brilliant dark humor; Kelly says, “Mr. President, after careful consideration and reflection, I’ve come to the conclusion that you are the problem. Resign.”

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:04:48pm

re: #156 freetoken

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The last words that Mooch heard were “Reince sends his regards.”

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 12:05:08pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

MSNBC’s @SRuhle just now: she spoke to Anthony Scaramucci last night and he had no idea this was coming…

— Yashar Ali

Hey Mooch, remember that day, was it just Friday, when you got Rinse kicked off the plane and the former CoS got shitcanned? Man, that was fun, totally alpha male stuff.

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 12:05:40pm

My next book: The Rise and Fall of Mooch Scaramucci.

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wheat-dogg Jul 31, 2017 • 12:05:48pm

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

That would be some brilliant dark humor; Kelly says, “Mr. President, after careful consideration and reflection, I’ve come to the conclusion that you are the problem. Resign.”

They could slip a boilerplate resignation letter into the stack of EOs Trump signs, and he’d sign it without reading it.

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Charles Johnson Jul 31, 2017 • 12:06:05pm

White House makes it official: “Mr. Scaramucci felt it was best to give Chief of Staff John Kelly a clean slate” pic.twitter.com/LaSqztAVN4

— Matt Viser (@mviser) July 31, 2017

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Man, that Trump White House slate sure does get dirty fast. They keep having to clean it every few days. https://t.co/OH4KvkXiOC

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 31, 2017

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makeitstop Jul 31, 2017 • 12:06:15pm

This is fucking surreal, you guys.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 12:06:23pm

re: #158 A Mom Anon

I understand that. But aren’t there other issues that Democrats could use to court those small town people? My family is from a teeny little burg in SE Ohio. The place has been ravaged by factories packing up and leaving nothing to replace those jobs. The town is right off of what’s called the Heroin Highway (State Route 33). I don’t think abortion is on the top of anyone’s list there. If Democrats went into those areas and had solid plans on what to do about addiction, poverty and unemployment, they’d be able to win. Those places are hanging on by a thread and most of the hope and optimism is gone.

I know the South is a different culture in many ways (I’ve lived in GA for over 30 years now), but it wouldn’t kill our party to begin appealing to the shit that worries people in their day to day lives instead of dragging up culture war shit over and over. If the other side does it, then we fight back with “and how does that help the cost of college, or keeping food on the table, or fixing the broken water pipes?” I don’t get why this is so hard.

Not saying this was a particularly bright idea to bring to the forefront. It’s smarter than gun control, around here, however.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 12:06:55pm

re: #169 makeitstop

This is fucking surreal, you guys.

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality

— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 31, 2017

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 12:06:59pm

And the leaks continue

sources also say POTUS & fam did not appreciate how A.S. comments linked them to vulgarity. Like to play rough but not be laughed at/embrsd

— Robert Costa (@costareports) July 31, 2017

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Sources say Trumps struggle w self awareness https://t.co/iT8jYfOxie

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 31, 2017

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:07:51pm

So, how long before we find out that Mooch also got fired in the most indirect and passive aggressive way possible?

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2017 • 12:08:17pm

Somewhere, Aaron Sorkin is working on a pitch for a relaunch of West Wing

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 12:08:37pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

So, how long before we find out that Mooch also got fired in the most indirect and passive aggressive way possible?

By Tweet?

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 12:08:57pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Somewhere, Aaron Sorkin is working on a pitch for a relaunch of West Wing

Michael Bay directing, lots of CGI.

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John Carter Jul 31, 2017 • 12:09:33pm

re: #123 Timothy Watson

The A Team lasted six months, the B Team lasted two weeks, how long will the C Team last?

We will have a double Kiaju by Christmas.

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 12:09:46pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

White House makes it official: “Mr. Scaramucci felt it was best to give Chief of Staff John Kelly a clean slate”
— Matt Viser

Mooch: Oh yeah, I resigned yesterday, privately.

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 12:10:31pm

RT if you’ve had a period that lasted longer than Scaramucci

— Allure (@Allure_magazine) July 31, 2017

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Ace Rothstein Jul 31, 2017 • 12:10:46pm

I’m so old, I remember when Obama told people to keep enough air in their tires to save gas was a controversy.

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 12:11:13pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

John Kelly called James Comey after he was fired and said he was considering resigning in solidarity, sources say
— CNN Politics

The MAGAbots will go crazy when they hear this.

Wait, what am I saying? Nah.

CNN FAKE News!!!!1 Kelly is the best!

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A Mom Anon Jul 31, 2017 • 12:12:14pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

The gun thing is big deal around here too. I just don’t get what is stopping Democrats from using that “Pro Life” nonsense to actually BE for people having better lives. Healthcare, Education, Affordable Housing, Infrastructure, Jobs and Training, stuff like that. Take that to the people, hammer on it, HARD. If Republicans want to do their culture crap, let ‘em, but take the argument back to what matters. At the end of the day, when an exhausted parent falls into bed at night, I kinda doubt that most of them are worried some woman somewhere is getting an abortion in the morning. I do not get why we haven’t been doing that. It’s frustrating.

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makeitstop Jul 31, 2017 • 12:13:04pm

This also happened.

#BREAKING | GUILTY: Judge rules in former Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s @RealSheriffJoe criminal contempt case https://t.co/KFShrcIuWr pic.twitter.com/HiN62GgZzh

— azfamily 3TV CBS 5 (@azfamily) July 31, 2017

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Enjoy. https://t.co/CJVOegauNV

— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) July 31, 2017

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sagehen Jul 31, 2017 • 12:13:12pm

re: #176 Decatur Deb

Michael Bay directing, lots of CGI.

I’m thinking Quentin Tarantino.

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dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 12:13:50pm

re: #159 fern01

Do believe this is the hill that will bring trump down. Not sure if there are any nations left he could call friends of the US, now he has lost Russia. The situation with NK will not be solved by tweeting commands to China.

Think about that. they’re prosecuting foreign policy via Twitter

They have no idea what to do and think this is a good idea

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 12:14:00pm

re: #185 sagehen

I’m thinking Quentin Tarantino.

Woody Harrelson to play CoS Kelly.

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Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2017 • 12:14:06pm

But now I’mma wondering about Kelly - after all, it’s being reported that he called Comey to express anger over his firing by Trump.

What’s gonna happen when Trump gets wind of that? Is Kelly the next to go? After all, for Trump, loyalty (to him) is the only thing.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 12:14:16pm

re: #181 Ace Rothstein

I’m so old, I remember when Obama told people to keep enough air in their tires to save gas was a controversy.

No kidding. “Central planning! Micro manangement! They think they’re smarter than us!”
foxnews.com

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Myron Falwell Jul 31, 2017 • 12:14:36pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Somewhere, Aaron Sorkin is working on a pitch for a relaunch of West Wing

Starring the ghost of Benny Hill.

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 12:14:55pm

A tweet for every occasion:

Wow was Ted Cruz disloyal to his very capable director of communication. He used him as a scape goat-fired like a dog! Ted panicked.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 23, 2016

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:15:30pm

re: #166 Sir John Barron

My next book: The Rise and Fall of Mooch Scaramucci.

/

Shortest book in history. :-)

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 12:15:49pm

Anthony Scaramucci was escorted from White House grounds today after ouster, per source familiar with the scene

— Jackie Alemany (@JaxAlemany) July 31, 2017

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Escorted out. It’s gets worse with every firing.

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 12:16:10pm

* Sees social media accounts exploding *
K, went out on errands a few hours ago, what’d I miss? /

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 12:16:14pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Escorted out. It’s gets worse with every firing.

It will end with firing squads?

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 12:16:19pm

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

But now I’mma wondering about Kelly - after all, it’s being reported that he called Comey to express anger over his firing by Trump.

What’s gonna happen when Trump gets wind of that? Is Kelly the next to go? After all, for Trump, loyalty (to him) is the only thing.

Chaos.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 12:16:59pm

re: #193 jaunte

Anthony Scaramucci was escorted from White House grounds today after ouster, per source familiar with the scene

Escorted out. It’s gets worse with every firing.

Have to shake him down for Executive Seal M&Ms.

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:17:15pm

So Mooch ran Rinsed out as a “leaker,” yet now leaks are how we’re finding out he was basically whacked without warning.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:17:21pm

re: #174 KGxvi

Somewhere, Aaron Sorkin is working on a pitch for a relaunch of West Wing

I think Sorkin, like Coban, is saying I COULDN’T WRITE THIS SHIT BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD EVER BELIEVE IT! AAARRRGGGHHHH! but that’s just me.

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wheat-dogg Jul 31, 2017 • 12:17:42pm

re: #195 freetoken

It will end with firing squads?

The Kim model is to use anti-aircraft artillery.

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Kilroy was here Jul 31, 2017 • 12:17:49pm

re: #192 MsJ

Shortest ~~book~~ Pamphlet in history. :-)

FIFY

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:09pm

re: #195 freetoken

It will end with firing squads?

“Report to Carousel.”

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wheat-dogg Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:13pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

So Mooch ran Rinsed out as a “leaker,” yet now leaks are how we’re finding out he was basically whacked without warning.

Who got the canoli?

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:14pm

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

But now I’mma wondering about Kelly - after all, it’s being reported that he called Comey to express anger over his firing by Trump.

What’s gonna happen when Trump gets wind of that? Is Kelly the next to go? After all, for Trump, loyalty (to him) is the only thing.

I’d bet good money on Kelly being the next to head out…

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:14pm

The Onion has again filed bankruptcy, declared reality has far surpassed parody.

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Eclectic Cyborg Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:39pm

How horrible of a human being do you have to be for Trump to fire your ass THAT quickly?

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Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:50pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

“Report to Carousel.”

Upding for the Logan’s Run reference. :)

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 12:18:56pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

So Mooch ~~ran~~ was Rinsed out .

Works that way too.

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sagehen Jul 31, 2017 • 12:19:02pm

re: #154 jaunte

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The new clock is running.

re: #188 Dr Lizardo

Trump may not believe it or may forgive him.But he will always mistrust him from here on in.

Whoever leaked this knew they were driving a wedge in between Trump and his new General.

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Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2017 • 12:19:54pm

re: #204 Archangelus

I’d bet good money on Kelly being the next to head out…

I wouldn’t be surprised and maybe in Kelly’s case, voluntarily. He’s an old military guy, and he’d be the first to recognize FUBAR when he sees it.

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:21:05pm

Kelly gets a momentary feeling of power, but that’ll last right up until he realizes that his power is limited. The moment he locks horns with one of the Trump spawn and tries to run them out of the White House, the clock will start ticking.

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austin_blue Jul 31, 2017 • 12:21:25pm

re: #196 wrenchwench

Chaos.

Inorite?

He was in, what, two weekends? Five/six working days?

You over-rev the engine and it starts throwing cylinders and piston rods. This is Trumpworld. It’s just as insane as can be.

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Franklin Jul 31, 2017 • 12:21:33pm

re: #184 makeitstop

This also happened.

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Ha ha!

The jailer is now the…person that…spends…time in…jail.

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Myron Falwell Jul 31, 2017 • 12:21:39pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

So Mooch ran Rinsed out as a “leaker,” yet now leaks are how we’re finding out he was basically whacked without warning.

And leaks are starting on John Kelly. Wowsers.

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 12:21:44pm

re: #194 Archangelus

* Sees social media accounts exploding *
K, went out on errands a few hours ago, what’d I miss? /

Look, there is no going on errands thing while DJT is president.

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 12:22:04pm

This is a great opportunity for DWTS to bring some heat to their next show.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 12:22:11pm

re: #212 austin_blue

Inorite?

He was in, what, two weekends? Five/six working days?

You over-rev the engine and it starts throwing cylinders and piston rods. This is Trumpworld. It’s just as insane as can be.

Someone above mentioned his starting date. Not sure he got on the payroll.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 12:23:42pm

This went up on The Federalist like an hour ago. pic.twitter.com/e3pu64dSpv

— Cody Johnston (@drmistercody) July 31, 2017

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Everything is funny https://t.co/qZc6ymwTbE

— High Quality Person (@jteeDC) July 31, 2017

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goddamnedfrank Jul 31, 2017 • 12:23:49pm

“Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves.” pic.twitter.com/xpzFzcYOu8

— Ira Madison III (@ira) July 31, 2017

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wheat-dogg Jul 31, 2017 • 12:23:55pm

re: #217 Decatur Deb

Someone above mentioned his starting date. Not sure he got on the payroll.

Probably not. He started only 10 days ago.

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Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 12:24:51pm

re: #177 John Carter

We will have a double Kiaju by Christmas.

Too good not to steal.

In the beginning, Trump WH firings were weeks apart! Now, they’re down to days! Soon, we will have a double event! #Scaramucci pic.twitter.com/Je1cP2G8b2

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) July 31, 2017

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:26:27pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

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I’ll take “Headlines that have not aged well” for $2000, Alex.

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dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 12:27:29pm

re: #216 freetoken

This is a great opportunity for DWTS to bring some heat to their next show.

There it is!
West wing season on dwts

That’s their master plan

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 12:27:45pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

What’s the pic?

“Mooch is great, gonna run circles around Media and Dems”

“Trump is the best judge of character”

“Women in the workplace are killing America”

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 12:27:47pm

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

I used to be very “pro-life” but even then I believed that abortion should always be allowed to save a woman’f life, or in case of rape or incest.

But after thinking about it, why should a rape victim have to be slut-shamed by providing all kinds of documentation proving that she was “legitimately” raped and therefore “deserving” of having an abortion?

I was also convinced that modern medicine could guarantee that the “life of the mother” could be spared without removing the fetus.

Then Savita Halappanavar died because her doctors were afraid to break the law.

Her life COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED but because of Ireland’s medieval abortion laws, her life wasn’t “in danger” until her condition had deteriorated to the point that she could no longer survive. A condition like pre-eclampsia can deteriorate in hours, but the legal system takes days, even weeks to get an override for prosecution for fetal murder.

“Saving a woman’s life” even if it includes removing the fetus BEFORE she enters an immediate life-threatening condition is a decision that should be made by THE PATIENT & MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS ONLY not by lawmakers.

Having special “exceptions” for rape, incest, and “life of the mother” is NOT PRO-LIFE.

I think it is time for some education about the science, religion and actual medical facts regarding abortion.

The story you bring up is probably repeated in many cases, we just never hear about it because of the privacy and wishes of those involved. This is not an easy subject and running away from it to make sure you don’t upset anyone does not work.

The Republicans have made abortion a cut and dried stance because they could. No one takes them on.

No one really stands up and states clearly why abortions should be allowed and also why pro-choice still allows the religious aspects of personal decisions. No one really explains the tragic stories like the one you mention. No one really explains abortion and a woman having a miscarriage in scientific terms and how “God” performs abortions as miscarriages.

And since it is all about politics the Democrats have to make it much clearer that they are not saying allowing abortion is against a religion, it is a Constitutional thing about religion not ruling the state. Talk about freedoms and rights. Talk about how pro-choice supports the religious people because no one is stopping them from preaching that abortion is bad.

It’s time to not do what this Rep wants, it is time to get real about abortion and not run away from it. It needs to be taken on in an educational and historical facts way. Talk about why it was allowed back in the 70s, the reasons for it and what will happen if abortion is outlawed again.

And talk about how abortions were performed during the outlawed years. Talk about how the rich and connected had it done in private because they could. Let’s get real.

In a way, you need to make a pure religious stance against abortion look bad, almost inhumane. The Religious Right sure likes to scare people with all kinds of made-up images, little fetus replicas that are not correct and other scare tactics. How about getting scary with real medical issues that happen because an abortion was not performed.

This to me looks like the Democratic Party is wimping out. The last election really did a number on a lot of people in the party.

In so many ways the Democratic Party is looking a little bit like the 70s Democrats. It was not a good time.

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Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 12:27:53pm

Reince and repeat

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) July 31, 2017

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John Carter Jul 31, 2017 • 12:28:10pm

re: #221 Kragar

Too good not to steal.

I feel kinda of famous now.

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wheat-dogg Jul 31, 2017 • 12:28:20pm

re: #223 dangerman

There it is!
West wing season on dwts

That’s their master plan

DWTS: White House Special

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Myron Falwell Jul 31, 2017 • 12:28:55pm

I can’t wait to see what this White House does for sweeps week.

— Michael Weiss (@michaeldweiss) July 31, 2017

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Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2017 • 12:29:18pm

Here’s hoping Kelly disposes of the two Steves before he’s forced out. It’s too much to hope that he can get Javanka out, but a girl can dream.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:29:20pm

re: #204 Archangelus

I’d bet good money on Kelly being the next to head out…

I think Bannon is a good bet, too.

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 12:29:28pm

Ridiculous, the cold I got before Scaramucci entered the White House has actually outlasted his time there…

— Arch1 (@Arch_LGF) July 31, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 12:30:22pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

Another proofreading pass and a long lunch could have saved them from that.

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Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 12:30:45pm

Feel his Piscopain pic.twitter.com/Dd8x3xo4wQ

— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) July 31, 2017

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Myron Falwell Jul 31, 2017 • 12:31:18pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Escorted out. It’s gets worse with every firing.

Will be hard to top when President Bannon gets the heave-ho.

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Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2017 • 12:31:24pm

re: #231 MsJ

I think Bannon is a good bet, too.

I think Bannon’s the source of the leaks.

He’s a sneaky shit, a malignant éminence grise. He’s damn near like Randall Flagg come to life.

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 12:31:40pm

re: #231 MsJ

I think Bannon is a good bet, too.

Oh sweet [deity of preference here], I hope so! Not expecting that anytime soon personally, because of the fact that it’d be perceived by the Alt Reich as nothing short of a declaration of war….

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:32:27pm

Sarah Sanders looking at that 3:45 briefing like…. pic.twitter.com/FtZpymVI2N

— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) July 31, 2017

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wheat-dogg Jul 31, 2017 • 12:32:48pm

re: #237 Archangelus

Oh sweet , I hope so! Not expecting that anytime soon personally, because of the fact that it’d be perceived by the Alt Reich as nothing short of a declaration of war….

They will go apeshit, for sure, but they’ll still have Foghorn Leghorn as Justice Sec.

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makeitstop Jul 31, 2017 • 12:33:40pm

Garland’s got the best new Mook nickname. Shame it’s retired aleady.

Chachi Vaffanculo now OUT as White House comms director, but the White House is not in chaos or anything. 😂😂😂🖕🖕🖕🦅 https://t.co/HEDbg9qjRk

— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) July 31, 2017

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:34:21pm

re: #237 Archangelus

Oh sweet [deity of preference here], I hope so! Not expecting that anytime soon personally, because of the fact that it’d be perceived by the Alt Reich as nothing short of a declaration of war….

Not with Sessions there.

They don’t really care about Trump. Sessions doing what he is doing with immigration is keeping the At Reich happy.

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Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2017 • 12:34:25pm

re: #239 wheat-dogg

They will go apeshit, for sure, but they’ll still have Foghorn Leghorn as Justice Sec.

True, but Bannon’s their guy, more than Sessions. If Bannon goes, yeah, the alt-right would turn on Trump faster than you can say “David Duke”.

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 12:35:20pm

More good news today:

Joe Arpaio found guilty of criminal contempt

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Kilroy was here Jul 31, 2017 • 12:35:51pm

Ben Stiller is most likely crying right now because he missed the easiest gig of his life

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prairiefire Jul 31, 2017 • 12:36:16pm

re: #240 makeitstop

Also too bad for Mario Cantone. His impersonation was perfect.

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:36:30pm

Answer to the question being asked:

Scaramucci’s *official start date* as WH Communications Director was August 15th.

It’s July 31st.

That’s gotta be some kind of record.

— Jeff B/DDHQ (@EsotericCD) July 31, 2017

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 12:36:34pm

re: #49 MsJ

I don’t even like voicing the stuff I said above. But there is political reality.

We have not been able to re-frame Pro-Life (because they are not). We cannot get away from Pro-Abortion (v pro-choice) which right wing nuts always see as pro-murder.

You can’t discuss science any longer without bringing religious fundamentalism into the fray (creationism, intelligent design, etc.). How do we get the science concerning zygotes vs embryo vs fetus vs baby into any discussion without being labeled murderers?

You ignore those that don’t want to listen to reason because they are drunk on their God. You will never get them to change. You do explain everything and why to those that can handle the topic of science and medicine. As I said above they need to take this on in a heads up way.

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makeitstop Jul 31, 2017 • 12:38:19pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

Scaramucci’s *official start date* as WH Communications Director was August 15th.

I think that means he owes Trump money now.

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Ace-o-aces Jul 31, 2017 • 12:38:51pm

re: #232 Archangelus

I’ve bought bananas that lasted longer.

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) July 31, 2017

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lawhawk Jul 31, 2017 • 12:39:09pm

re: #67 jaunte

Unfu….

Nope. Absolutely fucking believable.

These asshats don’t know what the hell they’re doing and they’re picking the worst people in the world to do jobs they’re supremely unqualified to do.

Scaramucci was incapable of doing the job, and his only qualification was he was a suckup to Trump. Even that wont keep him in a job.

Those who are sacking have themselves been sacked. This is worse than a Monty Python skit because lives are ultimately at stake.

It’s beyond a joke. No one in the White House knows what the hell they’re doing and the only one to blame for that is Trump. He was incompetent in his business dealings and his business style was always bullshit based on inheriting his fortune.

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A Mom Anon Jul 31, 2017 • 12:39:35pm

Alright Lizards, I have to start making sure things are in order so we can leave for Denver on Friday. BBL. Be Excellent to Each Other.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 12:40:07pm

Ummmm outside the White House a man is wheeling a skeleton right now: pic.twitter.com/U5WUZ8k82j

— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) July 31, 2017

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prairiefire Jul 31, 2017 • 12:40:38pm

re: #243 freetoken

More good news today:

Joe Arpaio found guilty of criminal contempt

Hooray!11!! That asshole of a man!

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 12:40:52pm

re: #62 jaunte

JUST IN: Joe Arpaio, former Sheriff of Maricopa County, found GUILTY of criminal contempt. Sentencing set for 10/5/17 10am @FOX10Phoenix

Good. Time for the law to deal with a crooked lawman.

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2017 • 12:41:18pm

re: #247 ObserverArt

You ignore those that don’t want to listen to reason because they are drunk on their God. You will never get them to change. You do explain everything and why to those that can handle the topic of science and medicine. As I said above they need to take this on in a heads up way.

I don’t really understand trying to argue that abortion is not a moral issue. IMO it’s a question of right and wrong, so of course it is a moral issue. The core morality of the pro-choice position is that it is evil to force a woman to remain pregnant against her will.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 12:41:24pm

They must be setting up to explain “skinny healthcare.”

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lawhawk Jul 31, 2017 • 12:41:27pm

Awesome news:

JUST IN: Joe Arpaio, former Sheriff of Maricopa County, found GUILTY of criminal contempt. Sentencing set for 10/5/17 10am @FOX10Phoenix pic.twitter.com/hMTwV8xLps

— Marcy Jones Fox 10 (@MarcyJonesFox10) July 31, 2017

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:41:44pm

So Scaramucci sold his firm, missed his son’s birth, is being divorced by his wife, and just lost his job. Now all he needs is a dead dog and a broke pick-up truck and he’s got a country music hit single.

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Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 12:42:34pm

#Scaramucci lefts his job as Communications Director because he had to return some video tapes pic.twitter.com/hf5zQVIMr4

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) July 31, 2017

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:42:58pm

re: #252 jaunte

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The first time a spine has been seen near the White House since Jan 21st.

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makeitstop Jul 31, 2017 • 12:43:15pm

re: #252 jaunte

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Mook on his way out…

All I need is this…

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Charles Johnson Jul 31, 2017 • 12:43:33pm

On the surface it’s comical, but a White House this chaotic and dysfunctional is actually frightening as hell.

— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) July 31, 2017

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:43:33pm

WHOA! Did Donald Trump Know the Police Chief Was One of Long Island’s Nastiest Criminals? https://t.co/T9DZcXMqDq via @thedailybeast

— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) July 31, 2017

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Ace-o-aces Jul 31, 2017 • 12:44:41pm

Say what you will, but the way #Scaramucci has been treated is going to make it difficult for the White House to attract quality people.

— Stefan Molyneux (@StefanMolyneux) July 31, 2017

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Wow, things are getting too crazy for the crazies to defend. https://t.co/dcAqeiSeET

— aceoaces (@aceoaces) July 31, 2017

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:44:46pm

re: #252 jaunte

They whacked the Mooch? Holy cow!

— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) July 31, 2017

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 12:45:21pm

So, I again spent the day internet & TV free until minutes ago.
Did I miss anything?

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makeitstop Jul 31, 2017 • 12:45:35pm

re: #263 MsJ

Did Donald Trump Know the Police Chief Was One of Long Island’s Nastiest Criminals?

Of course not. But we knew.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 12:45:38pm

re: #247 ObserverArt

You ignore those that don’t want to listen to reason because they are drunk on their God. You will never get them to change. You do explain everything and why to those that can handle the topic of science and medicine. As I said above they need to take this on in a heads up way.

The guy in the original post up top (Lujan, with an accent on the ‘a’) is a Catholic guy in a Catholic state. I see where he gets his attitude from.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:46:11pm

re: #266 FormerDirtDart

So, I again spent the day internet & TV free until minutes ago.
Did I miss anything?

Nah. ///////////////////////////

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Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 12:46:25pm

re: #266 FormerDirtDart

So, I again spent the day internet & TV free until minutes ago.
Did I miss anything?

Complete and utter chaos.

Nothing new

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nines09 Jul 31, 2017 • 12:46:40pm

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Teukka Jul 31, 2017 • 12:46:57pm

BREAKING NEWS: “Hail to the Chief” to be replaced with this song:

-Yakety Sax- Music

^///

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dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 12:46:59pm

re: #225 ObserverArt

“it is a Constitutional thing about religion not ruling the state. Talk about freedoms and rights.”

this exactly (in the usa)

the question is not when life begins and all that - never accept that as the premise of the question

it’s when does a second, discrete, constitutionally protected human life begin. because before that, like it or not, it does not have rights. (hence the push for “personhood” - to define the indefinable when you aren’t otherwise winning constitutionally)

hence my comments at #149 dangerman re seek spiritual support if you are uncomfortable with other people behaving legally

so - there are in fact two competing sets of rights:
the mother’s and the developing life. i choose “developing life” because it is neither always a clump of cells, or a fetus, or a preborn or whatever) we all know the two entities we’re talking about.

the mother’s rights are full, guaranteed and unchanging throughout the process

the nature of the developing life changes over time and that has to have some consideration. clearly a one day blastoycst is fundamentally different from a three-days-before-normal-delivery fetus. it may or may not have some rights and/or protections depending on “when” we are talking about, and it’s condition).

because the rights and protections of the developing life change over time clever folks have then raised the question of when / if /why the mother doesnt have the absolute right to speak for the 2nd life as in other maternal circumstances. this is a valid constitutional rights argument.

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 12:47:14pm

re: #243 freetoken

More good news today:

Joe Arpaio found guilty of criminal contempt

“Arpaio, 85, faces a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a fine when he is sentenced on the misdemeanor offense on Oct. 5.”

Please please please please PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEE let him end up in the very same Maricopa jail where he violated inmates rights on a regular basis…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jul 31, 2017 • 12:47:33pm

re: #23 MsJ

I get that on the GOP side. I do not believe everyone feels that way (whether the result is the same or not, I get what you are saying). There are people who do not look at it as a way to punish women. They look at it from a moral perspective (religious women, for example. You don’t have anti-abortion 20 year olds who all want to play the vindictive card. Some believe that a child should be born and adopted.

The result is punishment to make a woman go through childbirth, but that’s not the intent.

I am about as pro-abortion as you could be…look at my take above. I, personally, think abortion is nothing more than a surgical procedure. I further think a fetus is a parasite
(the actual definition of a parasite) in that it cannot live without its host and it puts its host in a potentially deadly position of having to give birth because childbirth is not a simple thing and people do die in childbirth.

They are fine with adoption, but the strumpet must face the consequences of her immorality…

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Ace-o-aces Jul 31, 2017 • 12:48:04pm

If you had told me two weeks ago that the Mooch would be fired today, I would’ve said what the fuck are referring to?

— Daniel Chun 🇺🇸 (@dannychun) July 31, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 12:50:15pm

re: #266 FormerDirtDart

So, I again spent the day internet & TV free until minutes ago.
Did I miss anything?

No one of significance.

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dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 12:50:17pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

Answer to the question being asked:

[Embedded content]Scaramucci’s *official start date* as WH Communications Director was August 15th.

It’s July 31st.

That’s gotta be some kind of record.

is that irrational or merely negative?

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:50:30pm

Ha ha, the Sinclair propaganda engine JUST did a “Mooch is getting it done!” take https://t.co/Jo8cmC1Z5T

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) July 31, 2017

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:51:05pm

I can only imagine what sort of discussions are happening right now in the GOP leadership, but I don’t imagine they’re very positive over today’s events.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 12:51:12pm

re: #274 Archangelus

“Arpaio, 85, faces a maximum penalty of six months in jail and a fine when he is sentenced on the misdemeanor offense on Oct. 5.”

Please please please please PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEE let him end up in the very same Maricopa jail where he violated inmates rights on a regular basis…

Hell, just deport him to Mexico.

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 12:51:21pm

re: #229 Myron Falwell

I can’t wait to see what this White House does for sweeps week.

— Michael Weiss (@michaeldweiss) July 31, 2017

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The White House announces it’s new Communications Director

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:12pm

re: #278 dangerman

is that irrational or merely negative?

Both?

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sagehen Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:21pm

re: #193 jaunte

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Escorted out. It’s gets worse with every firing.

If they want to make it way worse… the sale of his company to Chinese investors needs federal gov’t approval. Which has been in the works, but not yet finalized.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:24pm

In other Mooch news today: Scaramucci was erroneously listed as dead in the new Harvard Law alumni directory. https://t.co/4OLX1J9QYD

— Jenna Johnson (@wpjenna) July 31, 2017

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Kilroy was here Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:43pm

John Oliver’s take on the Mooch

John Oliver - Anthony Scaramucci

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makeitstop Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:52pm

Seen on Facebook:

As a proud Italian American, I just want to say in an unpartisan non-political way, thank you Mooch for your 10 days of service to your country.

Now go home and get your shine box.

Click to Reveal

Now go home and get your shinebox

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Myron Falwell Jul 31, 2017 • 12:52:54pm

re: #279 MsJ

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And that fascist agitprop will soon be forced on WGN, WPIX, KTLA, WJW and other quality stations, because the FCC is paid off.

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 12:53:04pm

re: #98 MsJ

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re: #98 MsJ

Some good news for Obamacare in Ohio: insurers will fill 19 of the state’s empty 20 counties. insurance.ohio.gov …
10:46 AM - Jul 31, 2017

Yay!

I have a sneaking suspicion Kasich has actually helped this along. He seems to have decided to make this an issue to separate him from Trumpers and many Republicans.

Is he going to run for President again? This may be an indication.

But what it real fun…this just cut the legs out from under Robby Portman’s excuse that the ACA is dying in Ohio. It also guts the stance of idiot Jim Jordan of the Freedom coalition.

I bet there are some real strange political relationship at Ohio Republican functions these days.

I keep talking about cracks in the old GOP. We have them here in Ohio.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:53:11pm

US Treasury freezes Venezuelan president’s assets and declares his election illegitimate. 🤔 This gives me an idea. https://t.co/q2lh5gGnUA

— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) July 31, 2017

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:54:00pm

re: #290 ObserverArt

Yay!

I have a sneaking suspicion Kasich has actually helped this along. He seems to have decided to make this an issue to separate him from Trumpers and many Republicans.

Is he going to run for President again? This may be an indication.

But what it real fun…this just cut the legs out from under Robby Portman’s excuse that the ACA is dying in Ohio. It also guts the stance of idiot Jim Jordan of the Freedom coalition.

I bet there are some real strange political relationship at Ohio Republican functions these days.

I keep talking about cracks in the old GOP. We have them here in Ohio.

Oh, good…you saw it!

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 12:54:16pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

So Scaramucci sold his firm, missed his son’s birth, is being divorced by his wife, and just lost his job. Now all he needs is a dead dog and a broke pick-up truck and he’s got a country music hit single.

Requesting permission to st- …er, borrow this… ;)

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:54:34pm

re: #293 Archangelus

Requesting permission to st- …er, borrow this… ;)

Go for it.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 12:55:18pm

re: #285 nines09

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When Trump goes, we gonna have to take that thing away from you, aren’t we.

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 12:55:58pm

Trump keeps bitching about how he can’t get his appointees confirmed by the Senate, yet he keeps creating vacancies in the White House. Perhaps Schumer needs to publicly say that Democrats can’t be expected to keep up with the turnover rate in the White House.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 12:56:29pm

re: #291 MsJ

US Treasury freezes Venezuelan president’s assets and declares his election illegitimate.

How do they not see this as a ~~precedent~~ president?

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Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2017 • 12:56:51pm

re: #282 FormerDirtDart

The White House announces it’s new Communications Director

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The Lord Humungus would be the first competent Trump administration hire.

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Flying Squirrel Girl Jul 31, 2017 • 12:57:26pm

When I first heard about Mooch’s firing, I was like, “Well now he’ll have more time to spend with his family.”

Then I remembered he doesn’t fucking have one anymore!

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lawhawk Jul 31, 2017 • 12:57:53pm

Which firing? Can you be more specific? We’re having a hard time keeping track of the reset button, which is really the Gong Show gong.

— lawhawk (@lawhawk) July 31, 2017

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John Carter Jul 31, 2017 • 12:58:34pm

re: #246 Targetpractice

Answer to the question being asked:

It would only be funnier if he got fired on his day off.

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dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 12:58:47pm

re: #255 EPR-radar

I don’t really understand trying to argue that abortion is not a moral issue. IMO it’s a question of right and wrong, so of course it is a moral issue. The core morality of the pro-choice position is that it is evil to force a woman to remain pregnant against her will.

life begins at conception is an arbitrary absolutist (and inconsistent) position. it is not scientific, nor universally religiously (or morally) agreed upon

in this context the developing “life” is on a continuum.

the only question is when on that path does it become partially or fully constitutionally protected (in the usa)

as it’s a legal procedure, any decision for whatever reasoning is between a woman and her doctors…

“morality” or the equivalent may inform someone’s position on supporting or changing the law. morality is not the law nor the reason for it

as i said somewhere above, there are myriad examples of legal things that some find morally wrong. even as basic as some of the commandments. they seem to have no problem living with them and there dont seem to be vast movements to change those laws.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 12:58:55pm

Yates
Flynn
Walsh
Bharara
Comey
Dubke
Shaub
Corralo
Spicer
Short
Priebus
Scaramucci

It’s starting to read like a plaque on Ellis Island.

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makeitstop Jul 31, 2017 • 12:59:26pm

So did Sarah walk out of the press briefing yet? It’s been almost 15 minutes already…

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 12:59:30pm

This made me laugh.

Now leading @HuffPost pic.twitter.com/fpWgwRexRn

— Chloe Angyal (@ChloeAngyal) July 31, 2017

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Little late there HuffPost https://t.co/DMaDQ1a9x9 pic.twitter.com/weeSlnJLBz

— Sam Stein (@samstein) July 31, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 12:59:45pm

re: #303 jaunte

Yates
Flynn
Walsh
Bharara
Comey
Dubke
Shaub
Corralo
Spicer
Short
Priebus
Scaramucci

It’s starting to read like a plaque on Ellis Island.

Rifle squad in a 1950s WWII movie.

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sagehen Jul 31, 2017 • 12:59:59pm

re: #273 dangerman

the question is not when life begins and all that - never accept that as the premise of the question

it’s when does a second, discrete, constitutionally protected human life begin. because before that, like it or not, it does not have rights. (hence the push for “personhood” - to define the indefinable when you aren’t otherwise winning constitutionally)

Not even.

My nephew is absolutely, definitely, unqualifiedly a discrete, constitutionally protected life. But if he wants my kidney, or my bone marrow, even if his life is at stake, it’s still entirely my call whether I let him take what he needs.

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Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:00:38pm

Mike is going to be in bed crying for days now…

IOW, business as usual

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) July 31, 2017

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 1:00:40pm

Now, that’s a headline…

Scaramucci ‘escorted from White House by security’ https://t.co/ax3ui3d7Xs

— The Independent (@Independent) July 31, 2017

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Charles Johnson Jul 31, 2017 • 1:01:54pm

Mooch vs Reince pic.twitter.com/ENGGhdCsxj

— Hippo (@InternetHippo) July 31, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 1:02:07pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart

Now, that’s a headline…

Scaramucci ‘escorted from White House by security’

Now be fair. It’s just because he didn’t have time to learn the way in and out.

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 1:03:05pm

re: #306 Decatur Deb

Rifle squad in a 1950s WWII movie.

Or the cast of an 1980s horror film.

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Big Beautiful Door Jul 31, 2017 • 1:03:20pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart

Now, that’s a headline…

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It’s getting very Game of Thrones like at the WH. Mooch kind’ve reminded me of Euron.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 1:04:09pm

re: #312 Targetpractice

Or the cast of an 1980s horror film.

Nope. By then you had more than one woman and a Black dude.

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 1:04:53pm

re: #279 MsJ

Update: Just days after Sinclair Broadcast Group’s chief political analyst Boris Epshteyn released a commentary segment lauding Anthony Scaramucci’s new approach as White House communications director, The New York Times reported that President Donald Trump had removed Scaramucci from the role.

This is gold, Jerry, GOLD!

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BeachDem Jul 31, 2017 • 1:04:58pm

re: #179 nines09

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At one time, CFON had “as seen on The Apprentice” on their cans. I had to stop buying it until that was over with.

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 1:05:50pm

Wow https://t.co/hrunxajDFq

— Raw Story (@RawStory) July 31, 2017

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“They’re convinced Trump is out of his gourd,” the Republican revealed. “Remember what I told you at the start of this circus? They planned to use Trump’s antics for cover, to get done what they most wanted - big tax cuts, rollbacks of regulations, especially financial. They’d work with Pence behind the scenes and forget the crazy uncle in the attic.”

He then corrected himself saying that he’s hearing that Attorney General Jeff Sessions “is pissing them off.” He said that Republicans in the caucus anticipate Trump will hurt them in 2018 and 2020.

“They want him out [of] there,” he continued, saying that they’re hoping special counsel Robert Mueller comes up with a “smoking gun.” When asked what they would do if Trump fired Mueller, he claimed it would never happen.

If Trump isn’t gone by the 2020 elections they intend to put someone up against him.

“Lots of maneuvering already. Pence, obviously. Cruz thinks he has a shot,” the member said. Until then, they think Trump is “fritzing out,” which he explained was “going totally bananas” with “paranoia.”

“You want to know why he fired [Reince] Priebus, wants Sessions out, and is now gunning for Tillerson?” the Republican asked Reich, who thought it was to shake things up. “No. The way I hear it, he thinks they’ve been plotting against him.”

According to the member of Congress, Priebus and Sessions were trying to figure out how to enact the 25th Amendment, which would remove the president from office if he was unfit.

“Read it! A Cabinet can get rid of a president who’s nuts. Trump thinks they’ve been preparing a palace coup. So one by one, he’s firing them,” the member continued.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines Jul 31, 2017 • 1:06:11pm

re: #282 FormerDirtDart

The White House announces it’s new Communications Director

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Crank up the meme machine

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 1:06:21pm

re: #314 Decatur Deb

Nope. By then you had more than one woman and a Black dude.

Considering the way everybody’s been cutting each other’s throats, might as well be a season of Survivor.

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Unshaken Defiance Jul 31, 2017 • 1:07:23pm

.@Green_Footballs This just in, revised White House organization chart pic.twitter.com/ifgS4bedoD

— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) July 31, 2017

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 1:08:18pm

re: #320 Unshaken Defiance

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I prefer this pic:

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 1:09:07pm

“God punished Cain to a life of wandering … “

— Kate Brannen (@K8brannen) July 31, 2017

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 1:09:28pm

re: #172 Stanley Sea

And the leaks continue

sources also say POTUS & fam did not appreciate how A.S. comments linked them to vulgarity. Like to play rough but not be laughed at/embrsd

The Trump family is not really paying attention are they?

Not only is the whole clan subject to much derision but the Big Don is now locked in as being vulgar.

Scaramucci was them all along, firing him doesn’t change that.

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Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:09:36pm

A source says @Scaramucci said I don’t report to you and the General said your gone and he is

— AprilDRyan (@AprilDRyan) July 31, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 1:09:42pm

re: #317 MsJ

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If that informer is at all accurate, Trump’ll soon get Pence in his sights.

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:10:03pm

Jesus…we were just joking about this happening last week.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 31, 2017

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 1:10:40pm

re: #326 darthstar

So Trump’s ego couldn’t handle the competition?

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 1:11:16pm

re: #327 freetoken

So Trump’s ego couldn’t handle the competition?

Better hair. Perry’s next.

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Unshaken Defiance Jul 31, 2017 • 1:11:27pm

re: #321 Targetpractice

It all ends like Reservoir Dogs right? Political career wise of course…

And careers end with a bang.

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:11:49pm

re: #327 freetoken

So Trump’s ego couldn’t handle the competition?

This is why we need to make Jared the story…then Ivanka. Turn Trump land into House Lannister.

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 1:12:10pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

So, how long before we find out that Mooch also got fired in the most indirect and passive aggressive way possible?

I wonder if he got the “in X number minutes it will be announced you are fired” routine.

I still think Scaramucci was a one-time hit man. He killed off what Trump was too chicken to do himself and is now no longer needed.

I bet this was all known to Mooch prior to him taking the ‘job.’

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:12:18pm

re: #330 darthstar

This is why we need to make Jared the story…then Ivanka. Turn Trump land into House Lannister.

Speaking of Jared…

JUST IN: Anthony Scaramucci removed as WH communications director 10 days after being appointed, NY Times reports https://t.co/uJDKnuyWoE pic.twitter.com/YYE5nP9Y8y

— CBS News (@CBSNews) July 31, 2017

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Jared Kushner pushed to get Mr. Scaramucci as WH Communications Director. His removal shows Kushner’s advice has repeatedly been really bad. https://t.co/ZVgBsNGKAW

— Ted Lieu (@tedlieu) July 31, 2017

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 1:12:24pm

re: #321 Targetpractice

I prefer this pic:

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My preference…

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 1:12:49pm

Why is Trump congratulating Erdogan but sanctioning Maduro? McMaster: “One difference is you see the end of the constitution in Venezuela.”

— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) July 31, 2017

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Questions this admininstration can’t answer.

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dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 1:13:14pm

re: #307 sagehen

Not even.

My nephew is absolutely, definitely, unqualifiedly a discrete, constitutionally protected life. But if he wants my kidney, or my bone marrow, even if his life is at stake, it’s still entirely my call whether I let him take what he needs.

i dont want to get down in the weeds too much - just a little - these are different scenarios
in yours you have two fully protected independent lives. there is no clash of rights your nephew has no right to your body parts. he doesnt take them. you voluntarily donate them.

not so with pregnancy. there is only one constitutionally protected life from the start. the other develops and garners something over time. - it is admittedly unclear and somewhat arbitrary as to when. it will be a hard road to argue a normal three day before ordinary birth fetus is in no way different than few days old blastocyst. you dont need a moral argument to know that.

that is as unrealistic as “all life begins at conception”

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 1:15:28pm

re: #335 dangerman

i dont want to get down in the weeds too much - just a little - these are different scenarios
in yours you have two fully protected independent lives. there is no clash of rights your nephew has no right to your body parts. he doesnt take them. you voluntarily donate them.

not so with pregnancy. there is only one constitutionally protected life from the start. the other develops and garners something over time. - it is admittedly unclear and somewhat arbitrary as to when. it will be a hard road to argue a normal three day before ordinary birth fetus is in no way different than few days old blastocyst. you dont need a moral argument to know that.

that is as unrealistic as “all life begins at conception”

Keep pulling on that thread, and soon someone has to define what a right is, and where they come from.

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 1:15:54pm

re: #192 MsJ

Shortest book in history. :-)

Comes with its own Tiny Violin.

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Belafon Jul 31, 2017 • 1:16:12pm

re: #318 Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines

Crank up the meme machine

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Does this guy have a little yellow mustache?

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 1:16:15pm

Mooch sold his firm, missed his son’s birth, got divorced & lost his job. Guy’s a dead dog & broke truck short of a country music hit single

— Arch1 (@Arch_LGF) July 31, 2017

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 1:17:10pm

For someone who’s never worked in communications, @Scaramucci is a very impressive communicator.
Great hire, @realDonaldTrump. pic.twitter.com/6Tvq5vYs84

— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) July 21, 2017

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 1:17:42pm

re: #329 Unshaken Defiance

It all ends like Reservoir Dogs right? Political career wise of course…

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And careers end with a bang.

I re-watched Reservoir Dogs last night.

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Single-handed sailor Jul 31, 2017 • 1:18:34pm

re: #334 jaunte

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Questions this admininstration can’t answer.

“Socialist dictators are bad, capitalist dictators are our friend.”

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Blind Frog Belly White Jul 31, 2017 • 1:18:38pm

re: #340 jaunte

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Life comes at you fast.

Then it hits you, knocks you down, and rolls over you.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jul 31, 2017 • 1:19:24pm

I still get homesick as an expat. But for that, I missed out on all of Bush 1, the whole Clinton impeachment, the OJ Simpson Trial, the Bush 2 Florida fiasco, the Michael Jackson trial, and am far, far away from the Trump slow-motion train wreck that is pulling into the station…

I would really like to have an intact country to come home to some day, though…

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 1:19:53pm

Bwahahahahaha!

Trump’s next State of the Union address is going to have a longer In Memoriam montage than the Oscars.

— neontaster (@neontaster) July 31, 2017

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Interesting Times Jul 31, 2017 • 1:20:13pm

About to fly 30 hours to Australia, wondering how many Trump staffers will get booted on the way. One down and I’m only in the airport! 😂

— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) July 31, 2017

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MsJ Jul 31, 2017 • 1:20:19pm

re: #325 Decatur Deb

If that informer is at all accurate, Trump’ll soon get Pence in his sights.

There’s nothing he can do to pence. You can’t fire your Veep. And if he’s tries the GOP will revolt like mad.

President pence scares me horribly. But not as much as president trump who could literally start a nuclear war with a fucking tweet. I don’t think pence well do that with it without a tweet.

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 1:20:55pm

The real victims here are all the journalists and comedians whose Mooch-based jokes got cut down before they ever had a chance.

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 1:21:05pm

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still get homesick as an expat. But for that, I missed out on all of Bush 1, the whole Clinton impeachment, the OJ Simpson Trial, the Bush 2 Florida fiasco, the Michael Jackson trial, and am far, far away from the Trump slow-motion train wreck that is pulling into the station…

I would really like to have an intact country to come home to some day, though…

As a fellow expat, I’m right there with ya, Wendell…

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Myron Falwell Jul 31, 2017 • 1:21:09pm

“You guys all wasted your questions asking the same thing.” -@SarahHuckabee. That’s what happens when you don’t answer it.

— Chris Pollone (@ChrisPollone) July 31, 2017

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There are days I think I tell really awful jokes. Then Sarah tries humor at a press briefing. I feel like a f*cking genius then. https://t.co/UpEcu1xG3D

— Matt Haze (@MattHaze) July 31, 2017

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Dr. Matt Jul 31, 2017 • 1:21:38pm

Never fear, this failed and incompetent regime will find another loser to entertain us. pic.twitter.com/0qNKP2Qh8H

— Dr. Matt (@DrMatthew) July 31, 2017

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 1:22:06pm

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I would really like to have an intact country to come home to some day, though…

You’re going to suffer reverse-culture shock when you do come back.

I was only in Japan a few years, but coming back to the US and it felt really weird, even here in California.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 1:23:20pm

Wow was Ted Cruz disloyal to his very capable director of communication. He used him as a scape goat-fired like a dog! Ted panicked.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 23, 2016

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HOW IS THERE A TWEET FOR FIRING THE COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, THIS IS LEGIT UNNERVING https://t.co/rfqQUTcgbd

— Danielle Blake (@abradacabla) July 31, 2017

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GOAT-FIRED LIKE A DOG!

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 1:23:47pm

re: #340 jaunte

Careers that have not aged well: Mooch, Piers Morgan

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 1:24:15pm

I strongly suspect the first meeting between Kelly and Scaramucci after the former was sworn it went:

“I’m going to need an apology from you for last week’s speech. I’m in charge now and we’re not going to have that sort of language from the Communications Director.”

“Fuck you, John. I don’t report to you, I report to Donald!”

“Really? We’ll see about that.”

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Myron Falwell Jul 31, 2017 • 1:24:55pm

re: #347 MsJ

There’s nothing he can do to pence. You can’t fire your Veep. And if he’s tries the GOP will revolt like mad.

We’re assuming Trump is actually aware of this.

Trump could give Pence the Sessions treatment — make his life a living hell on Twitter so that he resigns. Which would leave Lindsey Graham all “concerned” and stuff.

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 1:25:03pm

Think about it. He severed all his business contacts for that cush VP slot at the Export-Import Bank.
Now, he’s facing a divorce where his wife knows (because of public disclosure) exactly where all his assets are…

Service with the Trump administration is truly rewarding…

Sarah Huckabee Sanders: Anthony Scaramucci does not have a role in Trump administration https://t.co/TLqlOEQXVy

— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) July 31, 2017

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Blind Frog Belly White Jul 31, 2017 • 1:25:59pm

Last night on FB, I see a post headlined “Anthony Scaramucci era will be freakish, embarrassing and all too short”. I responded “I think you mean “Nasty, brutish, and short.”

So, what do I see as I check out twitter feeds over lunch?

To paraphrase Hobbes, Mooch’s tenure as Comms Director was nasty, brutish and short.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 31, 2017

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A prophet is without profit in his own country.

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 1:26:08pm

re: #347 MsJ

There’s nothing he can do to pence. You can’t fire your Veep. And if he’s tries the GOP will revolt like mad.

President pence scares me horribly. But not as much as president trump who could literally start a nuclear war with a fucking tweet. I don’t think pence well do that with it without a tweet.

“An important Tuvan tribal leader has died in Mongolia. You’ll be leading our delegation. How’s your throat singing?”

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 1:26:32pm

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

Someone should ask: “Sarah, seeing all the people around you getting escorted out, how does that make you feel about your job security?”

See how she handles it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light)) Jul 31, 2017 • 1:27:04pm

re: #352 freetoken

You’re going to suffer reverse-culture shock when you do come back.

I was only in Japan a few years, but coming back to the US and it felt really weird, even here in California.

I did not get too much of that visiting Phoenix, it is a bit like me: much the same, just spread out a lot more…

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 1:27:04pm

my TL is Extremely Good rn pic.twitter.com/GP23ctDMde

— Adam Weinstein (@AdamWeinstein) July 31, 2017

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 1:28:04pm

Sanders says Trump was “making a joke” when he told officers not to be “too nice” by protecting arrested suspects’ heads.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 31, 2017

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Blind Frog Belly White Jul 31, 2017 • 1:28:54pm

The ‘un-personing’ begins. Soon, he’ll be photoshopped out of pictures with ~~Stalin~~ Trump.

Sarah Huckabee Sanders: Anthony Scaramucci does not have a role in Trump administration https://t.co/TLqlOEQXVy

— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) July 31, 2017

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 1:28:57pm

IN MEMORIAM: Sam Shepard sadly joins the list of famous figures we’ve lost in 2017 https://t.co/MlmG4SnGgc pic.twitter.com/9p43c79QLN

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) July 31, 2017

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Dr Lizardo Jul 31, 2017 • 1:30:46pm

Well, for me, the day is done. Not a bad day, I’d say.

Today’s lesson: Being the White House Communications Director is apparently a lot like being the drummer for Spinal Tap.

Good night, Lizards.

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 1:30:54pm

re: #339 Archangelus

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— Amanda Marcotte (@AmandaMarcotte) July 31, 2017

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 1:31:00pm

re: #354 Sir John Barron

Careers that have not aged well: Mooch, Piers Morgan

Next, General Kelly, for using his resume to try to paper over the rot in the White House.

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:31:30pm

The fact that we now have these kinds of questions as regular discourse sickens me…but it’s where we are.

“You said the President found his language inappropriate. The President is not unknown for salty language…what exactly did he dislike?”

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 31, 2017

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis Jul 31, 2017 • 1:32:22pm

re: #17 GlutenFreeJesus

@dccc If Democrats are now fine with enslaving pregnant women, how soon until they also embrace racism and homophobia?

— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) July 31, 2017

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:32:24pm

re: #327 freetoken

So Trump’s ego couldn’t handle the competition?

There can be only one ringmaster of the tr*mp circus.

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:32:40pm

“You said the President found his language inappropriate. The President is not unknown for salty language…what exactly did he dislike?”

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 31, 2017

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We’ve reached a point where we have to ask if the president was offended by someone accusing his aides of trying to suck their own cock. https://t.co/WkxpgvUih1

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 31, 2017

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 1:32:42pm

re: #363 jaunte

Trump is such a jokester.

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 1:33:09pm

For some reason, this Facebook entry from yesterday seems quite applicable to today’s news:

Facebook Post

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:33:48pm

A source says @Scaramucci said I don’t report to you and the General said your gone and he is

— AprilDRyan (@AprilDRyan) July 31, 2017

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best part about this?

it was leaked 😂 https://t.co/gkIaoAO8Tx

— k8 (@rolling_2) July 31, 2017

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Blind Frog Belly White Jul 31, 2017 • 1:33:54pm

re: #366 Dr Lizardo

Well, for me, the day is done. Not a bad day, I’d say.

Today’s lesson: Being the White House Communications Director is apparently a lot like being the drummer for Spinal Tap.

Good night, Lizards.

Stumpy Joe Mooch.

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 1:34:10pm

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

Think about it. He severed all his business contacts for that cush VP slot at the Export-Import Bank.
Now, he’s facing a divorce where his wife knows (because of public disclosure) exactly where all his assets are…

Service with the Trump administration is truly rewarding…

“We don’t even know who that is, other than he was a Democrat Party person left over from Obama White House.”

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 1:34:17pm

re: #357 FormerDirtDart

Think about it. He severed all his business contacts for that cush VP slot at the Export-Import Bank.
Now, he’s facing a divorce where his wife knows (because of public disclosure) exactly where all his assets are…

Service with the Trump administration is truly rewarding…

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Well the mooch could come out firing & blast the family….

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Blind Frog Belly White Jul 31, 2017 • 1:35:22pm

re: #367 Stanley Sea

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Some days, it doesn’t pay to get out of bed.

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 1:35:54pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

The ‘un-personing’ begins. Soon, he’ll be photoshopped out of pictures with ~~Stalin~~ Trump.

Reinse was the problem with that WH. I anticipate things will run smoothly without him.

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 1:36:08pm

We have video footage of Scaramucci being escorted from the White House:

For Old Times’ Sake

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 1:37:18pm

WATCH: White House spokeswoman says ‘everybody,’ including Jared Kushner, will report to new chief of staff Kelly. https://t.co/3H80k00R2E pic.twitter.com/E2ZbiKOgtE

— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) July 31, 2017

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dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 1:38:01pm

re: #336 Decatur Deb

Keep pulling on that thread, and soon someone has to define what a right is, and where they come from.

in this context i dont see why. i dont think they need to be defined any better than is already commonly understood. and where they come from doesnt change the argument.

you have the right to bodily integrity and your body parts. who argues against this?

i think the best political argument to use (in the usa) is the consistent constitutional one. people have rights. non people do not. this argument keeps abortion legal.

to return to the original, moral or religious arguments re abortion are opinions.
they are masquerading as “facts” while they are not facts. a zygote is not a person and has no rights. The proper legal status of healthy, second and third trimester fetuses is less clear because its nature is changing over time.

The point or line (if there is one), of where a life truly begins is a matter of fact and circumstance and application of specific criteria. Similar to how we determine “death”. That time may be as yet specifically unknown. When it is known with surety and consistency, it will no longer be a matter of interpretation or “faith”. Whether faith, scientific/medical proof or some other mechanism eventually leads to an objective, generally accepted position is a separate discussion.

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VaughnIAM Jul 31, 2017 • 1:38:27pm

I live in Arkansas and I have voted for plenty of people who were against abortion in their personal life but pro-choice in their political life.

One thing I can say for certain is that I will never vote for a Democrat that would run on a anti-choice platform.

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:39:10pm

re: #382 FormerDirtDart

This is from the Source of All Lies, but it would be interesting if it’s true that Kushner will report to COS Kelly.

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 1:40:23pm

re: #385 EPR-radar

Betcha Ivanka will not.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 1:42:11pm

Dear General Kelly, as long as you’re cleaning house, how about the guy who gave the alt-right a platform in 2016? He’s down the hall.

— David French (@DavidAFrench) July 31, 2017

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Might want to knock before opening the door, though. 😬 https://t.co/yV9g7vTM13

— Sleeping Giants (@slpng_giants) July 31, 2017

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 1:42:20pm

re: #386 freetoken

Betcha Ivanka will not.

Yeah, first time Jared or Ivanka fall afoul of Kelly, they’re gonna run crying to daddy and then that mean ol’ general’s gonna get ripped apart…on Twitter.

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Teukka Jul 31, 2017 • 1:42:30pm

re: #365 FormerDirtDart

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Fuck. You guys were serious when you coined “2017: Hold My Beer…”

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 1:42:43pm

New: Inside Mooch’s firing. @jonathanvswan has all the juicy details https://t.co/WJB1qEjHxd

— Yashar Ali (@yashar) July 31, 2017

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 1:43:14pm

re: #366 Dr Lizardo

Well, for me, the day is done. Not a bad day, I’d say.

Today’s lesson: Being the White House Communications Director is apparently a lot like being the drummer for Spinal Tap.

Good night, Lizards.

Hey…I used that line last week! I want royalties. I’m a drummer.

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 1:43:22pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

The ‘un-personing’ begins. Soon, he’ll be photoshopped out of pictures with ~~Stalin~~ Trump.

“Everybody back to the Ministry of Truth! All of our newspapers and pundit circle-jerks must be rewritten and recast.”

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Sir John Barron Jul 31, 2017 • 1:44:10pm

re: #390 Stanley Sea

But by the time I finished reading this someone else in the WH would be fired and…..

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 1:45:41pm

And this happened below the radar….

Sheriff Joe Arpaio is convicted of criminal contempt https://t.co/kuMNJZ31Jg

— Vivian Yee (@VivianHYee) July 31, 2017

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:46:43pm

re: #383 dangerman

…
i think the best political argument to use (in the usa) is the consistent constitutional one. people have rights. non people do not. this argument keeps abortion legal.
….

IMO it isn’t so easy to remove morality from the abortion wars via this kind of definition, because morality is inherent in the definition of ‘non-people’.

Slaves being non-people was how slavery was justified vs. constitutional rights back in the day. So I’m uncomfortable with defenses of abortion rights that focus too heavily on definitions, especially when agreement on the definitions isn’t any more likely than agreement on any other point in dispute.

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 1:46:52pm

re: #378 Stanley Sea

Well the mooch could come out firing & blast the family….

I wouldn’t trust that mouth.

But if I am right about this all being a set-up for Trump to boot Spicer and Priebus because he couldn’t “you’re fired” them…then Mooch will be on his way and we won’t be hearing much from Mooch.

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BeachDem Jul 31, 2017 • 1:49:11pm

re: #390 Stanley Sea

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“Kelly wanting to turn the page. New culture. Mooch no discipline. Thought he’d burned his credibility.”

You could substitute the yam for Mooch and it would be even more true. Sad.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 1:49:47pm

re: #394 FormerDirtDart

And this happened below the radar….

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On the radar at comment 62. Makes me wonder what’s really below the radar.

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Dr. Matt Jul 31, 2017 • 1:51:44pm

If Reince had any balls, he would be sub-tweeting his ass off right about now.

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 1:52:03pm

Sneak peek at tomorrow in @BillBramhall’s World | SEE MORE: https://t.co/3Sa2P0pocL pic.twitter.com/DTTYHp2dvl

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) July 31, 2017

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Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2017 • 1:52:56pm

re: #399 Dr. Matt

If Rence had any balls, he would be sub-tweeting his ass off right about now.

Nope. He has none.

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Targetpractice Jul 31, 2017 • 1:53:46pm

Fark headline:

♫ Scaramouche, Scaramouche you can’t do the Trump fandango ♫

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 1:53:58pm

re: #401 Hecuba’s daughter

Nope. He has none.

Unsullied. There’s a lot of them surrounding The President.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2017 • 1:54:36pm

Sarah Sanders: “If you want to see chaos, come to my house with three preschoolers. Recent changes don’t “hold a candle to that.” pic.twitter.com/IoWsx4zLeu

— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) July 31, 2017

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With a White House on fire, how many ways can they invent to sell us the idea that there’s nothing to see?#Scaramucci #resist #news #trump https://t.co/4XPcnk7KoX

— Dr. DaShanne Stokes (@DaShanneStokes) July 31, 2017

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 1:55:46pm

BTW, thanks for the thread, Charles. It’s so worth while.

Meet María Teresa Rivera, the world’s first abortion refugee. In her own words.https://t.co/KCPErgn1fo pic.twitter.com/cHMKZdCqug

— Jorge Rivas (@thisisjorge) July 31, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 1:56:25pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

A shadow passes over Sarah at :53.

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Hecuba's daughter Jul 31, 2017 • 1:56:28pm

re: #403 Decatur Deb

Unsullied. There’s a lot of them surrounding The President.

But the true Unsullied are unfailingly polite in speech though they may slash your throat if you try to overthrow their queen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2017 • 1:57:05pm

John Kelly just bought one of these boards from Amtrak to announce Trump White House staff changes in real time. #Scaramucci pic.twitter.com/xjB3WPajpt

— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) July 31, 2017

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EPR-radar Jul 31, 2017 • 1:57:49pm

re: #403 Decatur Deb

Unsullied. There’s a lot of them surrounding The President.

The kind of monarchy that tr*mp wants is simply incomplete without hordes of palace eunuchs.

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Dr. Matt Jul 31, 2017 • 1:57:52pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sarah Sanders: “If you want to see chaos, come to my house with three preschoolers. Recent changes don’t “hold a candle to that.” pic.twitter.com

If you’re using preschoolers as an analogy to defend your workplace environment, it’s a sure sign things are not going well.

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Blind Frog Belly White Jul 31, 2017 • 1:59:51pm

re: #402 Targetpractice

Fark headline:

Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you take your coat and go?

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2017 • 2:00:20pm

Here’s the Trump quote Sarah Sanders says was a joke. pic.twitter.com/WsAlqdBxy2

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 31, 2017

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Jay C Jul 31, 2017 • 2:01:48pm

Jeez, I go offline for a couple of hours, and come back to LGF only to find I’ve missed another episode of “SHITSHOW - THE WHITE HOUSE!”?? Man!

So presumably the new line is going to be that they’re bringing in Tough General Kelly to Kick Ass and Take Names? That a CoS with a good old-fashioned faith in Marine boot-up-the-backside discipline is going to (finally) “turn the WH around”??
Two thoughts:
1. I’ll believe when I see it still working after a month (or Kelly still working after 2)
2. This is the sort of organizational desperation-move which one usually sees at the END of failing regimes, not just six months in to a US Administration…

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 2:02:59pm

re: #413 Jay C

Jeez, I go offline for a couple of hours, and come back to LGF only to find I’ve missed another episode of “SHITSHOW - THE WHITE HOUSE!”?? Man!

So presumably the new line is going to be that they’re bringing in Tough General Kelly to Kick Ass and Take Names? That a CoS with a good old-fashioned faith in Marine boot-up-the-backside discipline is going to (finally) “turn the WH around”??
Two thoughts:
1. I’ll believe when I see it still working after a month (or Kelly still working after 2)
2. This is the sort of organizational desperation-move which one usually sees at the END of failing regimes, not just six months in to a US Administration…

Awaiting GEN Kelly’s perspective on bone spurs.

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 2:03:09pm

I’m not sure I’m going to be able to make it all the way through this new D’Souza book… pic.twitter.com/4AL2Cv3DK9

— Nicole Hemmer (@pastpunditry) July 31, 2017

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 2:05:44pm

re: #404 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really didn’t need Sarah Huckabee to confirm what I suspected about her parenting skills.

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wrenchwench Jul 31, 2017 • 2:07:31pm

Magnificent tail visible as it turns to go.

Bushnell #Video picked up this Gray Fox at our water buckets. #SATX #Nature pic.twitter.com/dccYKvZ71A

— TexasBirder (@RubeSA47) July 31, 2017

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 2:07:35pm

New: Inside Mooch’s firing. @jonathanvswan has all the juicy details https://t.co/WJB1qEjHxd

— Yashar Ali (@yashar) July 31, 2017

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“Trump’s first reaction to the Scaramucci (NYer intv) was amusement. As Trump saw the negative coverage pile up, he started to get angry.” https://t.co/sZRHlXdv7d

— Helen Kennedy (@HelenKennedy) July 31, 2017

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Shows that Trump has no internal gauge for morality, only sensitivity to criticism. https://t.co/ebWRTzdttW

— mieke eoyang (@MiekeEoyang) July 31, 2017

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Jay C Jul 31, 2017 • 2:07:44pm

re: #415 FormerDirtDart

I’m not sure I’m going to be able to make it all the way through this new D’Souza book… pic.twitter.com/4AL2Cv3DK9

— Nicole Hemmer (@pastpunditry) July 31, 2017

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I’m sorry Nicole cut off the highlighting before we could get to Mr. D’Souza’s bit about “costumed racial terrorism”… and it’s connection to “progressive Democrats”.
Was it the KKK or ComicCon…?

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451_Montag Jul 31, 2017 • 2:08:07pm

Everyone is being too mean about the Mooch.

Isn’t it obvious he resigned to spend some more time with his own cock?

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GlutenFreeJesus Jul 31, 2017 • 2:12:31pm

pic.twitter.com/QYJRDPY3D7

— efuseakay (@efuseakay) July 31, 2017

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dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 2:12:48pm

re: #395 EPR-radar

IMO it isn’t so easy to remove morality from the abortion wars via this kind of definition, because morality is inherent in the definition of ‘non-people’.

Slaves being non-people was how slavery was justified vs. constitutional rights back in the day. So I’m uncomfortable with defenses of abortion rights that focus too heavily on definitions, especially when agreement on the definitions isn’t any more likely than agreement on any other point in dispute.

you are right and i knew it when i wrote it
and i also meant people in the physical sense. a zygote is not a person. a human. though it is human.

i submit that slavery was a different kind of problem. to me, whether described as slaves, african americans, etc - they were not granted or given rights. cosmologically they always had and have the same rights as the rest. those rights were institutionally repressed by mechanisms stronger than them. the civil rights movement imo was not to “give” rights. it was to recognize the same rights in everyone - to remove the barriers and suppression of the rights anyone has.

nor do i believe “we” are giving lgbtq the “right to marry” . if that right exists - the right to marry - it was always there. there may not have been a lot of thought or focus until recent history. and that’s brought it to the fore. (polygamy is a different argument)

but a not-born, developing human is different because it comes from “nothing” and eventually becomes an undisputed person. one day defining when that occurs will be incontrovertible.

unless i read something compelling, i’d like to stop at this point.
we all have differing opinions on how to get the job done. not what the job is.

for me, the best political argument to keep abortion legal (in the us) is the constitutional one

any argument that appeals to anything else - emotion, economics, “slavery”, whatever, legitimizes the other side’s appeals to ‘religion’ the sanctity of life etc., however hypocritical they are

i suggest if we avoid those appeals, then that’s all they’ll have and it’s not defensible

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 2:13:10pm

#BREAKING: Dem campaign chairman: Dems willing to fund candidates who oppose abortion rights https://t.co/E6y1lxTBZM pic.twitter.com/ZL3ko1uMsA

— The Hill (@thehill) July 31, 2017

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I’m afraid I’ll be with holding support for the DCCC if this is true. https://t.co/gt5gs4erdq

— Howard Dean (@GovHowardDean) July 31, 2017

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 2:17:48pm

NYT: President Barack Obama went through four chiefs of staff— five if you count Pete Rouse, who served in an interim capacity.

— JohnCornyn (@JohnCornyn) July 31, 2017

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One of my senators getting absolutely shelled in the replies to this false equivalency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2017 • 2:19:23pm

Hey Trump, I’m watching this really bad reality TV show with low ratings called Survivor White House. I can’t change the channel. Sad!

— Vicente Fox Quesada (@VicenteFoxQue) July 31, 2017

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plansbandc Jul 31, 2017 • 2:19:46pm

re: #97 MsJ

I will not vote for an anti choice candidate. So yeah. I am very defitely about voting that issue.

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 2:19:53pm

New York Post updates its Trump “Survivor” cover: “The tribe has spoken again” https://t.co/kGbPTmRaG9 pic.twitter.com/VNKsdMWfGQ

— The Hill (@thehill) July 31, 2017

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 2:22:19pm

Legal fees are piling up. Isn’t Lara also under investigation now?

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 31, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2017 • 2:22:35pm

Source also says women in admin, including Ivanka and Melania Trump, were “disgusted” by Scaramucci’s language. https://t.co/LQYEmo0tLf

— NBC New York (@NBCNewYork) July 31, 2017

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“grab

them

by

the

pussy” https://t.co/p94aA4W1hj

— Emmy Bengtson (@EmmyA2) July 31, 2017

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 2:22:42pm

Spicer just refused to comment on whether he will be staying on.

— Andrew Beatty (@AndrewBeatty) July 31, 2017

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 2:23:43pm

re: #419 FormerDirtDart

Shows that Trump has no internal gauge for morality, only sensitivity to criticism.

New: Inside Mooch’s firing. @jonathanvswan has all the juicy details https://t.co/WJB1qEjHxd

— Yashar Ali (@yashar) July 31, 2017

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“Trump’s first reaction to the Scaramucci (NYer intv) was amusement. As Trump saw the negative coverage pile up, he started to get angry.” https://t.co/sZRHlXdv7d

— Helen Kennedy (@HelenKennedy) July 31, 2017

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…

Criticism is akin to TV ratings. They are low Donny. Low. Your ratings suck!

I just want the whole show cancelled.

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 2:24:56pm

re: #420 Jay C

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I’m sorry Nicole cut off the highlighting before we could get to Mr. D’Souza’s bit about “costumed racial terrorism”… and it’s connection to “progressive Democrats”.
Was it the KKK or ComicCon…?

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 2:26:30pm

re: #433 FormerDirtDart

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That’s a face even a mother would slap.

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 2:28:58pm

re: #429 darthstar

I’m guessing asking strangers for money wasn’t something Lara expected she’d be doing when she married into the Trump family.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 2:29:13pm

Scoop: Kushner to interns: Trump team was too disorganized to collude with Russia. https://t.co/0yWtU1voNA by me

— Jenna McLaughlin (@JennaMC_Laugh) July 31, 2017

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“We are too stupid to commit treason.”

This is not an especially cogent defense, actually. https://t.co/mBoMTBZnZD

— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) July 31, 2017

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Archangelus Jul 31, 2017 • 2:29:15pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2017 • 2:30:17pm

BREAKING NEWS: Bye Felicia. Scaramucci’s White House persona sleeps with the metaphorical fishes but Chaos continues pic.twitter.com/yp8EBxUPjS

— Keith Olbermann (@KeithOlbermann) July 31, 2017

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 2:31:30pm

re: #434 darthstar

That’s a face even a mother would slap.

There’s a term for that, in German

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2017 • 2:32:58pm

re: #436 jaunte

I honestly feel like we are heading toward Articles of Impeachment that read something like:

Count One: Conduct Unbecoming

You’re kidding, right? I mean, really, seriously, look at this shit show.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2017 • 2:34:38pm

In non-shakeup news: WH Opioid Commission interim report is now live, recommending Trump “declare a national emergency” to deal w/ crisis. pic.twitter.com/Jw1hFiKl27

— Ali Vitali (@alivitali) July 31, 2017

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You can read the WH opioid commission’s full interim report here: https://t.co/Sty8NGKTGy https://t.co/d1MRvlfyj3

— Ali Vitali (@alivitali) July 31, 2017

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 2:36:21pm

Official in charge of managing technology crucial to Kenya’s upcoming presidential vote found tortured and killed. https://t.co/qDy8rv1SdW

— The Associated Press (@AP) July 31, 2017

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Kenyans are being assaulted by fake news reports one week out from Kenya’s election https://t.co/an4OdTVJfI pic.twitter.com/N35gVmQViq

— CNN (@CNN) July 31, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 2:36:57pm

re: #441 Backwoods_Sleuth

‘Druther not have any “States of Emergency”, OK? Thnx.

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 2:37:20pm

re: #436 jaunte

Masterful pic.twitter.com/BepLwTV2Gh

— Peter Hamby (@PeterHamby) July 31, 2017

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 2:39:51pm

Read the takes

Trump once mocked Priebus for showing excitement when he spotted his house from Air Force One, flying over Wisconsin https://t.co/l84ZmrQQQ6

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 30, 2017

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This little nugget from the Trump-Priebus saga last week has been gnawing at me. 1/ https://t.co/afEgmDZ1T2

— Rory Cooper (@rorycooper) July 31, 2017

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Jay C Jul 31, 2017 • 2:44:43pm

re: #434 darthstar

That’s a face even a mother would slap.

Probably - hence the helmet.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 2:46:02pm

re: #444 FormerDirtDart

Yesterday, Jared & Ivanka spun their limited influence to @politico. Now they’re bragging about Machiavellian moves against Reince to @axios pic.twitter.com/rdz3gXM9IR

— Tommy Vietor (@TVietor08) July 31, 2017

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 2:46:41pm

Harvard accidentally lists Scaramucci as dead in alumni directory, issues an apology https://t.co/1gcmmr5rMX pic.twitter.com/oNyLOQwyWW

— CBS News (@CBSNews) July 31, 2017

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 2:47:38pm

Dude who fired the dude fired by the dude who replaced the dude.

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 31, 2017

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 2:49:23pm

re: #449 darthstar

Dude who fired the dude fired by the dude who replaced the dude.

Dude!

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dangerman Jul 31, 2017 • 2:49:35pm

re: #447 jaunte

[Embedded content]Yesterday, Jared & Ivanka spun their limited influence to @politico. Now they’re bragging about Machiavellian moves against Reince to @axios

its positively manichean

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No Depression Jul 31, 2017 • 2:51:02pm

re: #447 jaunte

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That’s like an idiot’s idea of Machiavellian scheming. Yeah, they removed their internal rival but provided even more evidence that the White House is a raging dumpster fire in the process.

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2017 • 2:52:00pm

Artificial Wombs & Abortion: The Ugly Truth behind ‘My Body, My Choice’ https://t.co/5cosBRI5up

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) July 31, 2017

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The stupid shit these people find to be outraged over. https://t.co/OS8BK67O87

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) July 31, 2017

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 2:52:49pm

re: #449 darthstar

https://t.co/TRQLPnVbYC

— WB Young (@FormerDirtDart) July 31, 2017

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plansbandc Jul 31, 2017 • 2:53:30pm

re: #445 Stanley Sea

Rory’s take speaks to what a fundamentally shitty human being Trump is. Reading it gave me that same sad/sick/fury I got when viewing the video of him mocking the disabled reporter. This man is utter rotting garbage.

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BeachDem Jul 31, 2017 • 2:54:29pm

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Locker room talk…boys will be boys…what was that, Melania?

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Timothy Watson Jul 31, 2017 • 2:56:08pm

re: #456 BeachDem

Locker room talk…boys will be boys…what was that, Melania?

It’s all Billy Bush’s fault!

///

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Scottish Dragon Jul 31, 2017 • 2:56:59pm

re: #85 jaunte

I’ve seen douchebags on fire off the shoulder of O’Bannon…

I’ve watched C beams glitter in the dark near the White House gate…

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 2:59:08pm

All these things will be lost… like tears… or something… in rain….

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 2:59:59pm

The man in charge of counterterrorism coordination with American Muslims has just resigned https://t.co/uYYTTRLxbx

— Peter Beinart (@PeterBeinart) July 31, 2017

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“George Selim, the federal counterterrorism official who works most closely with the organized American Muslim community, tendered his resignation on Friday. His ouster is a victory for Trump officials like Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka, who see mainstream Muslim organizations as Islamist fronts, and for those American Muslims who oppose any counterterrorism cooperation with Washington. “There were clearly political appointees in this administration who didn’t see the value of community partnerships with American Muslims,” Selim told me. It is the clearest sign yet that government cooperation with Muslim communities, which has proved crucial to preventing terrorist attacks, is breaking down. …”

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Scottish Dragon Jul 31, 2017 • 3:00:44pm

re: #459 jaunte

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All these things will be lost… like tears… or something… in rain….

Perfect.

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 3:00:52pm

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

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re: #456 BeachDem

Locker room talk…boys will be boys…what was that, Melania?

Ivanka: “America just needs to be nice and sweet with each other. Why do we say disgusting things to and about each other?”

“It is my hope as the President’s Daughter and an Administration Principal that we end all crude and rude speech and bullying others.”

“Only my Great and Smart Daddy The President of the United States gets to do that stuff!”

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2017 • 3:01:31pm

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, they want more orphans/wards of the state? Because if every aborted fetus is placed in an artificial womb, who is responsible for raising that child?

freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment

That’s what the Supreme Court said in Moore v. East Cleveland (when it struck down a zoning law that did not allow a woman to raise her grandchild due to the way it defined family) and is probably a general sentiment that you could even get SoCon wingnuts to agree with.

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 3:01:45pm

Reminder that if Scaramucci can’t find and hold an administration job he’s on the hook for tens of millions in taxes https://t.co/eNigCf7iqI

— Matthew Gertz (@MattGertz) July 31, 2017

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FormerDirtDart Jul 31, 2017 • 3:03:08pm

This
Is
AWESOME

pic.twitter.com/banLUrIimZ

— Adam Epstein (@eppyad) July 31, 2017

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 3:03:44pm

My favorite quote about Scaramucci…

“He got hired, divorced, had a baby, and fired in 10 days. Like a fruit fly”

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GlutenFreeJesus Jul 31, 2017 • 3:04:25pm

re: #460 FormerDirtDart

Trump et al are actually hoping for more attacks within our borders by the likes of AQ/ISIS. They really do want this more than anything so they can consolidate their power because of an “emergency”.

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 3:05:11pm

re: #467 GlutenFreeJesus

We have yet to see the worst side of this Administration.

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GlutenFreeJesus Jul 31, 2017 • 3:06:36pm

re: #468 freetoken

We have yet to see the worst side of this Administration.

We aren’t even close.

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Timothy Watson Jul 31, 2017 • 3:07:45pm

Stolen from Facebook:

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2017 • 3:12:43pm

re: #468 freetoken

We have yet to see the worst side of this Administration.

They’re like a set of 20 sided dice of terribleness

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sagehen Jul 31, 2017 • 3:18:13pm

re: #330 darthstar

This is why we need to make Jared the story…then Ivanka. Turn Trump land into House Lannister.

That will *never* happen. A Lannister always pays his debts.

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 3:18:59pm

Steve Schmidt on the “snake pit” in the West Wing. https://t.co/CT9T4ofWE3

— Karoli (@Karoli) July 31, 2017

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Kragar Jul 31, 2017 • 3:19:15pm

Kamala Harris, a rising Democratic star, faces a problem: the Bernie-wing of the party is skeptical of her https://t.co/jvBifM10DG pic.twitter.com/wiT07IQjxK

— Mic (@mic) July 31, 2017

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“The Bernie Wing thinks -“

RECLAIMING MY TIME. https://t.co/dy2D0uQhjE

— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) July 31, 2017

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Backwoods_Sleuth Jul 31, 2017 • 3:20:41pm

re: #474 Kragar

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Kamala Harris, a rising Democratic star, faces a problem: the Bernie-wing of the party is skeptical of her https://t.co/jvBifM10DG pic.twitter.com/wiT07IQjxK

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To anyone who wonders why I continue to criticize Bernie and his diehards, they’re already trying to damage a rising Dem star: @KamalaHarris https://t.co/TUuQuR487z

— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) July 31, 2017

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Why did I retweet this?

Because I bet myself that my timeline would dissolve into shit tossing and prove @peterdaou correct. And it has. https://t.co/uQa8i3i7k2

— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) July 31, 2017

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 3:23:15pm

A great day at the White House!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2017

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Unshaken Defiance Jul 31, 2017 • 3:23:28pm

Wait, am I actually asleep and some bizarre dream has taken hold?

Democratic Party to Women: Your Rights Are Less Important Than Winning Elections

Okay so way late to the thread what with work and all. Just stunned here. We had this all worked out. Roe, PP, safe rare and legal.

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Timothy Watson Jul 31, 2017 • 3:24:31pm

re: #474 Kragar

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WE NEED A TRUUUUE PROGRESSIVE!1!!

(One reason that I left the GOP was wingnuts demanding truuuuue conservatives.)

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 3:24:37pm

Trump just tweeted.

A great day at the White House!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2017

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BeachDem Jul 31, 2017 • 3:24:59pm

re: #475 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yet they lurrvve Tulsi Gabbard. (And don’t even get me started with Nina Turner.)

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jaunte Jul 31, 2017 • 3:26:18pm

re: #479 darthstar

“Everyone’s looking at me!”

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darthstar Jul 31, 2017 • 3:26:31pm

re: #479 darthstar

Trump just tweeted.

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Trying to figure out what the fuck he’s talking about…

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Myron Falwell Jul 31, 2017 • 3:26:34pm

re: #467 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump et al are actually hoping for more attacks within our borders by the likes of AQ/ISIS. They really do want this more than anything so they can consolidate their power because of an “emergency”.

Trump would botch his own Reichtag Fire.

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 3:27:37pm

For any Trekkies who have yet to hear of these rumors:

Star Trek Discovery: To Be Replaced by Nicholas Meyer’s New Series?

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sagehen Jul 31, 2017 • 3:28:22pm

re: #347 MsJ

There’s nothing he can do to pence. You can’t fire your Veep. And if he’s tries the GOP will revolt like mad.

President pence scares me horribly. But not as much as president trump who could literally start a nuclear war with a fucking tweet. I don’t think pence well do that with it without a tweet.

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 3:28:29pm

If Sander’s supporters wonder why real Democratic party members have issues with one Bernard Sanders and his more exuberant supports there it is. If Bernie doesn’t think like this himself he needs to make it clear. Anyone see that coming?

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freetoken Jul 31, 2017 • 3:29:27pm

If I get the gist… the Era of Trump is so dark that even the Star Trek story has to be adjusted.

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Kilroy was here Jul 31, 2017 • 3:29:30pm

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2017 • 3:29:59pm

re: #478 Timothy Watson

WE NEED A TRUUUUE PROGRESSIVE!1!!

(One reason that I left the GOP was wingnuts demanding truuuuue conservatives.)

Harris twice won over 4 million votes in California in midterm elections and won 7.5 million against ANOTHER DEMOCRAT in last year’s general election. There’s going to be a lot of people in California politics who are going to be shocked that they’re not true progressives.

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b.d. (bill d.) Jul 31, 2017 • 3:31:56pm

re: #479 darthstar

Trump just tweeted.

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A great day at the White House!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2017

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lol, maybe for the guy who has the WH business card contract.

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Myron Falwell Jul 31, 2017 • 3:35:05pm

re: #487 freetoken

If I get the gist… the Era of Trump is so dark that even the Star Trek story has to be adjusted.

Star Trek Into Darkness (a rather poor remake of Star Trek II) was so dark, I couldn’t see a damn thing.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe. Jul 31, 2017 • 3:35:21pm

re: #491 Myron Falwell

Star Trek Into Darkness (a rather poor remake of Star Trek II) was so dark, I couldn’t see a damn thing.

Except the lens flare.

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KGxvi Jul 31, 2017 • 3:35:48pm

re: #480 BeachDem

Yet they lurrvve Tulsi Gabbard. (And don’t even get me started with Nina Turner.)

They’re political hipsters… like their music hipster cousins who won’t listen to anyone signed by a major label, they don’t trust anyone who has the backing of the party. Instead they’ll ignore the obvious flaws in their preferred candidates and pretend they’re better than the mainstream - the same way the music hipsters will swear that the Band You’ve Never Heard Of that they saw once while drunk and/or stoned in some dive in the Part Of Town You Won’t Go To absolutely changed their life (at least until they get the major record deal and then, by definition, sold out).

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ObserverArt Jul 31, 2017 • 3:36:18pm

re: #490 b.d. (bill d.)

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lol, maybe for the guy who has the WH business card contract.

They probably have pre-printed blanks with the full Presidential Seal and standard info on them on 8.5” x 11” sheets and then run them through a decent toner based printer to drop in the name and title/phone/email. Print 100 at a time…no sense getting ahead of yourself.

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Barefoot Grin Jul 31, 2017 • 3:36:39pm

re: #450 ObserverArt

Dude!

didn’t abide long….

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Stanley Sea Jul 31, 2017 • 3:38:24pm

For Deb & any others

We’re inviting YOU to participate in a nationwide science experiment during the Aug 21 #Eclipse2017 in the US. Info: https://t.co/nu4VPzUiOB pic.twitter.com/yywnDU1wdd

— NASA (@NASA) July 31, 2017

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Unshaken Defiance Jul 31, 2017 • 3:39:13pm

.@realDonaldTrump Funny, Vladimir Putin said the very same thing.

— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) July 31, 2017

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Decatur Deb Jul 31, 2017 • 3:39:58pm

re: #493 KGxvi

They’re political hipsters… like their music hipster cousins who won’t listen to anyone signed by a major label, they don’t trust anyone who has the backing of the party. Instead they’ll ignore the obvious flaws in their preferred candidates and pretend they’re better than the mainstream - the same way the music hipsters will swear that the Band You’ve Never Heard Of that they saw once while drunk and/or stoned in some dive in the Part Of Town You Won’t Go To absolutely changed their life (at least until they get the major record deal and then, by definition, sold out).

If the Trump administration were a band (go past 1 min):

SPIKE JONES & CITY SLICKERS - COCKTAILS FOR TWO - 1945

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BeachDem Jul 31, 2017 • 3:56:39pm

re: #493 KGxvi

They’re political hipsters… like their music hipster cousins who won’t listen to anyone signed by a major label, they don’t trust anyone who has the backing of the party. Instead they’ll ignore the obvious flaws in their preferred candidates and pretend they’re better than the mainstream - the same way the music hipsters will swear that the Band You’ve Never Heard Of that they saw once while drunk and/or stoned in some dive in the Part Of Town You Won’t Go To absolutely changed their life (at least until they get the major record deal and then, by definition, sold out).

They should probably all read David Brooks’ scintillating op-ed on “cool” and “woke.”
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(yours is a great description of them, by the way.)

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis Jul 31, 2017 • 4:00:28pm

re: #415 FormerDirtDart

Right-wing assholes always project their own bigotry onto the people who reject their bigotry.

— Jeff Furlington (@FurlingtonJeff) July 31, 2017

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