And Now, Donald Trump Is Threatening Military Action Against Venezuela

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Well, folks, as a finale to one of the craziest weeks yet for the Trump Horror, today he actually threatened to use military force in … Venezuela.

Man, did we ever dodge a bullet by not electing that war-monger Hillary Clinton.

UPDATE at 8/11/17 5:03:36 pm by Charles Johnson

And here’s a probable reason why Trump is suddenly so belligerent toward Venezuela:

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freetoken  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:37:46pm

But her emails.

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electrotek  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:39:31pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:39:36pm

Vlad must be tickled pink right now.

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:41:02pm

This administration is looking like the worst hits of the past two Republican presidencies. Up now: Pointless wars in places nobody cares about over shit that only makes sense until you think about it for more than a second.

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meteor  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:41:06pm

I can’t take it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:41:24pm

Repeat from upstairs: Remember how the Argentinian government, facing a domestic crisis, tried to use an invasion of the Falklands to distract from and overcome their own failures?

And what it led to?

We are truly degenerating into a tinhorn third-world laughingstock of a nation…

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:43:08pm
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I guess their level of sucking up was not sufficient.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:43:39pm
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No Depression  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:44:38pm

So is bringing back the draft gonna MAGA?

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JordanRules  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:44:56pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

This is what it’s about. Without a doubt.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:44:59pm

Reposted from below.

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Listen to his response. It’s especially batshit crazy

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Amory Blaine  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:47:02pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:48:00pm

re: #12 Amory Blaine

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So the answer is “No, I’m just waving my tiny fists impotently.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:48:21pm

Congress needs to pass a law forbidding a President to use military force against any nation he cannot find on a map…

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:49:07pm

I guess nobody told me that this week was ‘Threaten War’ week at the White House.

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No Depression  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:49:48pm

re: #11 Dr. Matt

Reposted from below.

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Listen to his response. It’s especially batshit crazy

WHO’S GONNA PAY FOR THE WALL?

VENEZUELA!

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:50:31pm

I guess Donnie has been keeping his Viagra in Bedminster all along.

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:50:39pm

re: #14 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Congress needs to pass a law forbidding a President to use military force against any nation he cannot find on a map…

I notice Congressional Republicans who once demanded a president ask permission to blow his nose now can do little but clutch their pearls over Trump’s constant threats of war towards other nations.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:52:02pm
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bratwurst  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:52:14pm
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Fuck glibertarians.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:53:18pm

The Right Wing Trolls are going batshit crazy over one of their own getting suspended from Twitter, most likely from a racist or misogynist tweet.

Check out Sargon (@Sargon_of_Akkad): twitter.com

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Amory Blaine  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:53:55pm

The Bernie Bros and sisters are coming to Republicans’ rescue

Things could go well for the Democrats in next year’s midterm elections — if they don’t Bern out.

President Trump is woefully unpopular, feuding with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and other Republicans. The GOP can’t manage to repeal Obamacare or do much of anything. Voters say they’d like Democrats to run Congress.

But here come the Bernie Bros and sisters to the Republicans’ rescue: They’re sowing division in the Democratic Party and attempting to enact a purge of the ideologically impure — just the sort of thing that made the Republican Party the ungovernable mess it is today.

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EPR-radar  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:54:29pm

re: #14 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Congress needs to pass a law forbidding a President to use military force against any nation he cannot find on a map…

No. They should just impeach this son of a bitch and get it over with. Getting tr*mp out of office is a total fucking no-brainer at this point.

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:57:58pm

re: #11 Dr. Matt

Reposted from below.

I am correct. He said Venezuela is our neighbor. No, really. He did.

Listen to his response. It’s especially batshit crazy

Hey, it’s sea-adjacent
And, Puerto Rico could certainly use the financial benefits of being a staging base for any military actions
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Decatur Deb  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:58:13pm

re: #23 EPR-radar

No. They should just impeach this son of a bitch and get it over with. Getting tr*mp out of office is a total fucking no-brainer at this point.

May God preserve him in righteous authority until he has devastated the enemies of justice and brought low the wicked.

By that I mean the Republican Party.

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:58:39pm

re: #22 Amory Blaine

The Bernie Bros and sisters are coming to Republicans’ rescue

The difference is the DNC is reacting in exactly the opposite way to how the GOP handled the Tea Party: Rather than embracing the Bros and presenting them as “true Americans,” the DNC is not only telling the Bros to go to Hell, they’re giving them directions on how to get there.

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wrenchwench  Aug 11, 2017 • 4:59:26pm

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EPR-radar  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:01:44pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

May God preserve him in righteous authority until he has devastated the enemies of justice and brought low the wicked.

By that I mean the Republican Party.

The Marmalade Shartcannon is firing indiscriminately in all directions and can launch the nukes. He has to be removed from office at the earliest opportunity.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:03:22pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

The Marmalade Shartcannon is firing indiscriminately in all directions and can launch the nukes. He has to be removed from office at the earliest opportunity.

Didn’t say there was no downside.

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JordanRules  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:06:39pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:09:05pm

Ali Lawyer Bitch Slaps Bolling Lawyer*

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* I so too could write headlines for the NY Post

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dangerman  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:13:14pm

Ok now I understand the feeling first hand

Can’t I even go to dinner without us threatening another country?
What the effin eff?

Well leftover linguine and clams with a side of the slow roasted summer tomatoes. Yum all over again

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:14:17pm
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BeachDem  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:14:54pm

Okay—I think we need a little comic relief. John Jenrette, of Abscam fame, fights with Lee Atwater, fable of sex on the Capitol Steps with his then wife Rita, who went on to pose for Playboy etc. is now immortalized in book form:

Capitol Steps and Missteps.

thestate.com

Jenrette is a hoot and a half—can’t wait to read it.

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gocart mozart  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:16:27pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:17:26pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What better way to show that the opposition party is not a tool of Western interests than by having those Western interests threaten military action in support of the opposition?

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BlueSpotinAL  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:17:47pm

re: #32 dangerman

Ok now I understand the feeling first hand

Can’t I even go to dinner without us threatening another country?
What the effin eff?

Well leftover linguine and clams with a side of the slow roasted summer tomatoes. Yum all over again

I need a recipe for fire and fury-roasted tomatoes. I anticipate coming into a whole bunch of them any day now.

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lawhawk  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:18:47pm

re: #31 gocart mozart

Ali Lawyer Stings Like a Bee in Bolling Dispute.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:19:40pm

re: #37 BlueSpotinAL

I need a recipe for fire and fury-roasted tomatoes.

1. Get a clutch of dragon eggs.
2.

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Interesting Times  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:19:49pm

re: #34 BeachDem

I’m not sure if this also counts as “comic” relief…maybe of the dark variety?

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Kragar  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:20:23pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:20:47pm

re: #40 Interesting Times

I’m not sure if this also counts as “comic” relief…maybe of the dark variety?

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Nikki, blink your eyes twice if you’re being held hostage.

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JordanRules  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:21:45pm

re: #38 lawhawk

Noice!!!!

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gocart mozart  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:22:43pm

re: #38 lawhawk

You win

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lawhawk  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:23:35pm

re: #40 Interesting Times

You bought into the broken admin. You own it.

This is the equivalent of buying a money pit apartment from Trump and realizing you’ve got to spend every last penny trying to remedy the situation, and then borrowing from your parents, grandparents, and relatives to make ends meet. Even worse, when you try to resell, you’ll lose on the sale.

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gocart mozart  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:24:05pm

I have fans

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BeachDem  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:24:53pm

re: #40 Interesting Times

I’m not sure if this also counts as “comic” relief…maybe of the dark variety?

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Yeah—it’s hard for me to laugh at Nikki. Jenrette is much more entertaining. And, I will say, the man was actually a very progressive guy for his day, particularly in South Carolina. Booze and women really led to his downfall. But he’s still alive and kicking and funnier than shit. He drives me nuts, but his heart is definitely in the right place.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:25:08pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

RWNJs are really into Marx.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:25:10pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:26:51pm

There’s several million worth of guitar right there.

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gocart mozart  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:26:57pm

interesting

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:27:54pm

re: #51 gocart mozart

interesting

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Again proving Trump to be even weaker than Obama ever was portrayed by wingnuts.

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Brian J.  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:28:32pm

re: #22 Amory Blaine

The Bernie Bros and sisters are coming to Republicans’ rescue

It gets worse. Our Revolution’s 16-31 record in the article is a lie.

The scoreboard referenced in the article counts Democratic primary wins- even unopposed Democratic primaries- as wins even though the general election hasn’t happened yet.

CA-34? Counted as a win because of OR’s last-minute endorsement of Jimmy Gomez, the prohibitive favorite, after the three candidates OR groups endorsed all failed to make the runoff. (Jon Ossoff? Our Revolution has never heard of him despite another last-minute endorsement, which was likely the straw that broke the camel’s back.)

Kim Ellis was defeated in her run for CA Democratic Party Chair, but she is still listed as an upcoming candidate even though she lost nearly three months ago.

A winning candidate for the Portland, OR school board is listed as the “Oregon School Board” candidate to inflate her importance. Similarly, Gil Cedillo is listed as “California 1st” when he was running for the LA City Council.

Shall I go on?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:33:26pm

re: #51 gocart mozart

The public martial swaggering is being noted by diplomatic and intelligence agencies worldwide.

Because the disconnects—Trump’s “version” of what’s going on with the nuclear versus what verifiably is, Trump’s vague red lines that other admin officials try to walk back—is on one hand deeply worrisome, but on the other an opening.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:34:25pm

starherald.com

Passenger airline travelling from Denver to Pierre made an emergency landing in Scottsbluff yesterday after an engine failure.

No one was injured. The airport manager bought pizza for everyone on the plane.

The airline was left with a problem though: It is an airline’s responsibility to put up passengers in hotels and such. The airline called around to more than fifty hotels and motels in the area and could find only three rooms (due to the upcoming eclipse).

Most of the passengers opted to get rental cars and drive the three hundred miles from Scottsbluff to Pierre.

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stpaulbear  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:35:00pm

re: #40 Interesting Times

I wonder how bad it would have to get for Nikki or Rex to just blurt out “Stop. No. We’re not going to do that!” before they could stop themselves.

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gocart mozart  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:35:43pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:36:09pm

re: #55 Anymouse 🌹

The path of totality is going to be a zoo. Wyoming is planning on busting cannabis users en masse.

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Kragar  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:37:07pm

If I pull this off, I will become a legend…

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:37:26pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:38:45pm

#FridayFunDay

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gocart mozart  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:43:18pm
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He really is a Nazi

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:48:21pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

The path of totality is going to be a zoo. Wyoming is planning on busting cannabis users en masse.

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Both Wyoming and Nebraska have put road restrictions on prohibiting overheight, overweight, and overlong vehicles for the week before and after the eclipse.

That includes RVs. A lot of people are going to be disappointed when their RV is turned away at the state lines.

Even out here in the middle of nowhere, the spot in town they normally use during livestock hauling season for vehicle scales has been turned into a full temporary inspection station. (They aren’t going to stop vehicles just at the state lines.)

Fortunately, I have a front row seat here (the welding goggles came in the mail today), so all I have to do is sit in the backyard.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:48:54pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

The Marmalade Shartcannon is firing indiscriminately in all directions and can launch the nukes. He has to be removed from office at the earliest opportunity.

We’re pretty much relying on a military coup to save us from this madman, right?

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:49:53pm

re: #62 gocart mozart

I always laugh when these idiot racists complain I’m not respecting their “arguments.” Fuck their bullshit arguments. Arguing with these shitheads is a pointless waste of time. Never do it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:50:15pm

re: #58 teleskiguy

If you zoom in very tightly on that map’s right side, you can see me. /s

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:50:37pm

*sigh*

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freetoken  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:53:02pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

Sorry to see that.

But this is why politics does matter. Americans who don’t bother to evaluate their elected leaders and who don’t vote are shirking the most central role in our society.

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gocart mozart  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:53:14pm
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“Blint” is Brit slang for whore.
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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:53:21pm
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EPR-radar  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:53:30pm

re: #64 Timothy Watson

We’re pretty much relying on a military coup to save us from this madman, right?

The US would be ungovernable after a real military coup, although that may not be as big of a deal as it sounds, since we are 95% of the way to being ungovernable just because Republicans are what they are.

At the moment my favorite fan fiction scenario is one where Ryan and McConnell get midnight visits from very serious people who order them to impeach tr*mp via normal Congressional processes or else face having to do it at gunpoint.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:55:48pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:56:52pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

The US would be ungovernable after a real military coup, although that may not be as big of a deal as it sounds, since we are 95% of the way to being ungovernable just because Republicans are what they are.

At the moment my favorite fan fiction scenario is one where Ryan and McConnell get midnight visits from very serious people who order them to impeach tr*mp via normal Congressional processes or else face having to do it at gunpoint.

Well, it might not be ungovernable, but the overwhelming majority of nations who suffer a military coup take a long time (if ever) to return to things like civil rights and democratic norms.

We don’t want a military coup. This needs to be solved through our civil institutions.

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mmmirele  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:57:42pm

I can’t even take a nap without Donald Trump being a jackass.

Threatening to intervene in Venezuela is stupid. Every other country in South America thinks Maduro is awful and destabilizing. But every.single.one of them will rally around Venezuela’s right to self-determination if Trump were to militarily intervene.

We get this nonsense because we have an incurious, idiot president who has no sense of history and not enough gumption to look up Venezuela on Wikipedia and maybe see why this is a really bad idea.

I’m personally of the opinion that US intervention into Venezuela would be far more destabilizing to South America and the world than letting the other countries in South America deal with Maduro. Colombia and Brasil have a vested interest in keeping things calm; they don’t need thousands of refugees streaming over their borders with Venezuela.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:58:33pm

Asking for a military coup is like all the chowderheads I argued with in Florida who, when the weather was dry, saying “we need a hurricane.”

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Single-handed sailor  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:58:44pm

re: #69 gocart mozart

I learned a new word today, “blint”.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 5:59:24pm

There always has to be one of these.

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Swift2991  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:00:21pm

He has to threaten violence. He has no other way of knowing that he exists.

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nines09  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:00:38pm
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Brian J.  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:01:39pm

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹

Well, it might not be ungovernable, but the overwhelming majority of nations who suffer a military coup take a long time (if ever) to return to things like civil rights and democratic norms.

We don’t want a military coup. This needs to be solved through our civil institutions.

Not gonna work anymore; the’re too broken. Any chance we can get the UN to send those peacekeepers that were supposedly everywhere back in the 1990s?

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:01:46pm
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William Lewis  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:03:57pm

re: #40 Interesting Times

I’m not sure if this also counts as “comic” relief…maybe of the dark variety?

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Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:06:05pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

The US would be ungovernable after a real military coup, although that may not be as big of a deal as it sounds, since we are 95% of the way to being ungovernable just because Republicans are what they are.

At the moment my favorite fan fiction scenario is one where Ryan and McConnell get midnight visits from very serious people who order them to impeach tr*mp via normal Congressional processes or else face having to do it at gunpoint.

Is ungovernable better or worse than a nuclear exchange?

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:06:09pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

I always laugh when these idiot racists complain I’m not respecting their “arguments.” Fuck their bullshit arguments. Arguing with these shitheads is a pointless waste of time. Never do it.

Their “arguments” always start out in two ways: A pseudo-intelligent debate that is little more than veiled stereotypes and insults…or they just skip a step and go straight to the insults. It’s like the proverbial chess game with a pigeon: They knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and then strut around like they’re a winner.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:06:37pm
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Single-handed sailor  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:08:22pm

re: #81 FormerDirtDart

Trump word salad bingo sounds like a fun game. Could you imagine Trump addressing the UN and 3 minutes into his “speech” somebody yells, “bingo!”

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:08:44pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

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nines09  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:09:58pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:10:26pm

re: #80 Brian J.

Not gonna work anymore; the’re too broken. Any chance we can get the UN to send those peacekeepers that were supposedly everywhere back in the 1990s?

That was said about the Nixon/Watergate era as well. Robert Mueller is still plugging away at his investigation.

There is one tinpot dictator type of government action I would be fine with: If the Trump family and their enablers suddenly flew away from the country to a non-extradition nation.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:12:00pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

Their “arguments” always start out in two ways: A pseudo-intelligent debate that is little more than veiled stereotypes and insults…or they just skip a step and go straight to the insults. It’s like the proverbial chess game with a pigeon: They knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and then strut around like they’re a winner.

These troglodytes really don’t care about arguments or debate - they just want to feel like they got you to do something for them. It’s a weird little dominance game they all play, and that’s why I always refuse to play along.

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nines09  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:13:09pm

Gold Mine.

Some people should never been born

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Renaissance_Man  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:15:17pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

The US would be ungovernable after a real military coup, although that may not be as big of a deal as it sounds, since we are 95% of the way to being ungovernable just because Republicans are what they are.

At the moment my favorite fan fiction scenario is one where Ryan and McConnell get midnight visits from very serious people who order them to impeach tr*mp via normal Congressional processes or else face having to do it at gunpoint.

To be quite honest, given the current state of the US media, I consider the US to be ungovernable now.

Over 50% of the governing bodies in the US are composed of people who have watched FOX for a significant part of their adult lives. Many of them are true believers. They have no principles other than the demonisation of other Americans and the destruction of the US state. Installing anyone who does not have significant autocratic and racist beliefs as a head of state has resulted and will continue to result in the complete shutdown of any legislative and judicial action as these governing bodies and people refuse to participate in democratic government.

Removing Trump does not fix this. Without significant cultural shift, America is ungovernable. A plutocratic quasi-anarchy held together only by the fact that it is wealthy enough that most citizens don’t starve.

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:16:44pm

The “serious” wingnut defense for Trump’s empty threats seems to be that this is all some elaborate strategy aimed at getting China to yank Lil’ Kim’s chain. Thing is, in order to argue that Trump is “better” than Obama, they’re left trying to characterize this as a sign of “strength,” as opposed to being “weak” by…you know…engaging in diplomacy to get China to yank Kim’s chain.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:16:49pm

Andrea Tantaros HIRED. A. DUDE. to Writer Her Stupid Book about How Bitches Be the Worst (goes to Wonkette)

For a little levity amidst the talk of war with North Korea, Venezuela, Andorra.

Wonkette writes about Ms. Tantaros’s suit against FOX News Channel: The lawsuit was just unsealed, and it turns out her “women are the worst” book was ghost written by a man.

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SteelPH  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:18:00pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

The “serious” wingnut defense for Trump’s empty threats seems to be that this is all some elaborate strategy aimed at getting China to yank Lil’ Kim’s chain. Thing is, in order to argue that Trump is “better” than Obama, they’re left trying to characterize this as a sign of “strength,” as opposed to being “weak” by…you know…engaging in diplomacy to get China to yank Kim’s chain.

They don’t want a leader. They want a chest-thumping gorilla that regurgitates things they wanna hear.

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The Spite House  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:18:05pm

I just want to travel a hundred years into the future and read the history books about this era.

Assuming there are any.

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Timothy Watson  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:18:43pm

re: #95 SteelPH

They don’t want a leader. They want a chest-thumping gorilla that regurgitates things they wanna hear.

And pisses off liberals, that’s all they need.

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freetoken  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:18:51pm

re: #96 The Spite House

Most will be written in Chinese or Spanish.

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The Spite House  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:19:36pm

re: #98 freetoken

Most will be written in Chinese or Spanish.

The odds of it being written in Korean dwindle by the day.

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Kragar  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:20:16pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

I always laugh when these idiot racists complain I’m not respecting their “arguments.” Fuck their bullshit arguments. Arguing with these shitheads is a pointless waste of time. Never do it.

Debating implies they have a position which can be argued based on its merits, and ignores the fact that they’re ignorant racist fucks

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FormerDirtDart  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:23:09pm
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freetoken  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:24:16pm

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

Sadly, there are people on my Facebook wall who believe that sort of stuff. They post stuff from WND, JBS, etc. All of them very religious, very much not into rationality.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:24:32pm
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PhillyPretzel  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:25:12pm

re: #101 FormerDirtDart

And that is why I read The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:26:19pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

*sigh*

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freetoken  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:26:37pm

Assuming humans do continue for another 2000 years, and there are some who are literate and have libraries and write history, what will the history writers make of these years in America?

Trump is looking more like one of those crazed Roman emperors all the time. Sure, we’re still a kind-of democracy, but our federal legislature branch is pretty much checked-out of really doing anything.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:28:30pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

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“may I interest you in a casino/hotel?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:35:33pm

National Rifle Association host apologises for suggesting on-air to North Korea they should nuke California instead of Guam.

nydailynews.com

An NRA television host has apologized for suggesting that one of America’s enemies abroad could switch their sights from the Western Pacific to liberals in the U.S.

“Let’s send a note to North Korea that Sacramento changed its name to Guam!” NRA TV personality Grant Stinchfield posted on Twitter Friday morning.

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:36:03pm

re: #107 Barefoot Grin

“may I interest you in a casino/hotel?”

Ready for a shocker? Trump has a luxury hotel in Seoul.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:36:28pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Not surprised.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:36:53pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:37:18pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Ready for a shocker? Trump has a luxury hotel in Seoul.

Aaaand, he doesn’t have one in Caracas.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:38:06pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Ready for a shocker? Trump has a luxury hotel in Seoul.

[clouseau voice] Not for very much longer [/clouseau voice]

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:39:14pm

re: #113 Anymouse 🌹

Aaaand, he doesn’t have one in Caracas.

But I’m sure if you check, he applied for a permit for one and it’s either waiting for approval or has been rejected.

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Dave In Austin  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:40:52pm

Rachel tonite: SQUIRREL!!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:41:57pm

On-line poll in my regional newspaper: Do you think President Trump should take action against Venezuela?

So far, the vote is 100% “no.”

starherald.com

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:47:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:49:33pm

From the Andrea Tantaros article above:

Tantaros allegedly did not want to negotiate a deal with Krechmer’s agent because she “feared” it would “cause her editor to discover that she was not writing the book herself” and the book’s publisher, Harper Collins, “would cancel the book if they discovered that there were any negative issues in the writing process, particularly since she was already running more than two years behind schedule.”

As a wag at Wonkette put it, couldn’t she just put a bunch of Chick Tracts and Phyllis Schafley books in a blender and hit “puree.” Two years behind?

I guess being famous has its perks (like missing deadlines by two years).

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:52:01pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

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Shuffle staff? LOL, that’ll fix everything!

Extreme pivotage! Brilliant!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Aug 11, 2017 • 6:52:07pm

Just downloaded and am currently playing Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice SOOOOO GOOOD!

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b.d. (bill d.)  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:02:29pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:03:58pm
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JordanRules  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:05:11pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

Fuck you CNN.

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calochortus  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:11:39pm

re: #120 b.d. (bill d.)

Shuffle staff? LOL, that’ll fix everything!

Extreme pivotage! Brilliant!

Only if Trump is considered staff and can be put in charge of something like overseeing the floor waxing.

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scottslemmons  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:11:57pm

Oh, all y’all get to do music recs, WELL HOW ‘BOUT I JUST SHARE MINE HUH?

Federale - Tribe

Basically, they make soundtracks for Westerns that were never made.

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scottslemmons  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:13:02pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

There always has to be one of these.

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Shouldn’t be any great surprise, but Mr. Roten is likely a Nazi sympathizer himself, if his timeline is any indication.

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nines09  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:16:53pm
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nines09  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:19:04pm

Right now.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:19:48pm

re: #131 scottslemmons

Shouldn’t be any great surprise, but Mr. Roten is likely a Nazi sympathizer himself, if his timeline is any indication.

Had a look and yep, you’re right. Shoulda known. Blocked.

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plansbandc  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:19:59pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Fuck having any civility towards Nazis and racists. They can kiss my ass.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:20:14pm

re: #132 nines09

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nines09  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:21:02pm

re: #136 Belafon

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calochortus  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:22:23pm

re: #137 nines09

Replace them? No, I would imagine any competent person could just walk around them and do something productive…

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Citizen K  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:26:36pm

re: #138 calochortus

Replace them? No, I would imagine any competent person could just walk around them and do something productive…

The zero-sum line of thought behind that fucking chat just irks me so much. It’s all a zero-sum game to them, they literally think for someone to get rights, theirs has to be forcibly stripped away, when the only right they lose is freedom from repercussion.

Life is not a pie. Rights are not a pie. They’re not stealing your fucking cookies, they’re just finally getting some baked for them rather than you assholes being the only ones to get cookies, period.

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makeitstop  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:26:52pm

An Open Letter to the Time Traveler who keeps making President Trump look like a Liar

Dear Time Traveler,

I know you are out there. And I know what you are doing.

It hardly seems a day goes by now that I don’t witness an example of your machinations. President Trump will make a great speech or grace the nation with one of his witty tweets, and within an hour the locusts of the media are all over him. They’ll smugly rant about how what the president said wasn’t true, about how the Paris Agreement doesn’t actually prevent the US from building coal plants or that more people gained insurance under Obamacare than lost it.

Some look at these reports and say they are proof that President Trump is a serial liar. To those that have been brainwashed by fake news and liberal propaganda and events that they’ve seen with their own eyes, things like falsehoods regarding the size of the crowd at the presidential inauguration or baseless claims about fraudulent voters, show that our president has some sort of aversion to telling the truth.

But I know the truth. Someone is going back in time and changing events, thus making President Trump’s statements false. And that someone is you.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:27:19pm

re: #135 plansbandc

Fuck having any civility towards Nazis and racists. They can kiss my ass.

Still not seeing a reason to open an account at Twitter. All it really is, is Gab dot AI light at this point.

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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:29:02pm

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹

Don’t you like being abused and harassed?

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sagehen  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:30:18pm

re: #135 plansbandc

Fuck having any civility towards Nazis and racists. They can kiss my ass.

A pretty good essay explaining why they shouldn’t get the same “tolerance” and “free speech rights” as decent people:
extranewsfeed.com

Tolerance is not a moral absolute; it is a peace treaty. Tolerance is a social norm because it allows different people to live side-by-side without being at each other’s throats. It means that we accept that people may be different from us, in their customs, in their behavior, in their dress, in their sex lives, and that if this doesn’t directly affect our lives, it is none of our business. But the model of a peace treaty differs from the model of a moral precept in one simple way: the protection of a peace treaty only extends to those willing to abide by its terms. It is an agreement to live in peace, not an agreement to be peaceful no matter the conduct of others. A peace treaty is not a suicide pact.

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Unlike absolute moral precepts, treaties have remedies for breach. If one side has breached another’s rights, the injured party is no longer bound to respect the treaty rights of their assailant — and their response is not an identical violation of the rules, even if it looks superficially similar to the original breach. “Mommy, Timmy hit me back!” holds no more ethical weight among adults than it does among children.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:30:27pm

re: #142 Skip Intro

Don’t you like being abused and harassed?

Of course he does, he comes back here.

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MsJ  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:31:10pm

re: #133 nines09

Who are they? What are they saying? I can’t understand them.

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dangerman  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:35:14pm

re: #74 mmmirele

I can’t even take a nap without Donald Trump being a jackass.

Threatening to intervene in Venezuela is stupid. Every other country in South America thinks Maduro is awful and destabilizing. But every.single.one of them will rally around Venezuela’s right to self-determination if Trump were to militarily intervene.

We get this nonsense because we have an incurious, idiot president who has no sense of history and not enough gumption to look up Venezuela on Wikipedia and maybe see why this is a really bad idea.

I’m personally of the opinion that US intervention into Venezuela would be far more destabilizing to South America and the world than letting the other countries in South America deal with Maduro. Colombia and Brasil have a vested interest in keeping things calm; they don’t need thousands of refugees streaming over their borders with Venezuela.

I know. I went to dinner….

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nines09  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:36:30pm

re: #145 MsJ

It’s an Alt Right White Supremacists march on the campus of University Of Virginia in Charlottesville Va. Tonight. Now. “you will not replace us” and other assorted chants. There appears to be a counter protest. It’s all right now.

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calochortus  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:37:47pm

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹

Still not seeing a reason to open an account at Twitter. All it really is, is Gab dot AI light at this point.

Someone else always posts the good stuff here, anyway.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:38:27pm

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

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Robert O.  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:38:34pm

I read this a few hours ago, and all I could think of, after ‘madness’ was….why shouldn’t other countries then seek a nuclear deterrent against the US? It is the right of every country to defend themselves against foreign invasion, irrespective of whether I liked their government or not. I don’t need to be told that the governments of North Korea and Venezuela are horrific. I also don’t need to be told that nuclear proliferation is ultimately destabilizing, and bad. But when the leaders of the world’s only hyperpower starts acting in such manner that it thinks it can invade other countries at will, seek ‘regime change’ against any governments it doesn’t like, what is the rest of the world supposed to do? If these threats today will lead to widespread nuclear proliferation, the ‘neo-cons’ in Washington has to bear much of the blame.

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piratedan  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:38:56pm

re: #143 sagehen

We all know that I am a precious special snowflake because I happen to be a middle class white dude, but I kind of lose my shit when there’s talk about being evenhanded or tolerant when it comes to Nazi’s. My feeling is, if your “ism” has resulted in the gassing and execution of religious, ethnic and people who simply don’t agree with you by the millions, that you can fucking well not be permitted to sit at the table when the grownups or even the children speak.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:39:54pm

Not sure if this is an edited photo or not, but it alleges to be the artwork for the cover of Andrea Tantaros’s book “Fifty Shades of Covfefe” “Tied Up in Knots”

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:40:08pm

re: #143 sagehen

I read that earlier. I was going to post it here, but my wife is telling me about her day.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:41:45pm

re: #142 Skip Intro

Don’t you like being abused and harassed?

LOL. I get enough of that when I weigh in on Yahoo Answers “Religion and Spirituality” section.

There I only get threats of burning in Hell forever. None of the overt stuff on Twitter about people threatening you or your family personally.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:43:44pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:43:50pm

re: #153 Charles Johnson

I thought conservatives were in favour of being able to refuse service for any reason?

Baked Alaska is nothing but another conservative whinger when his rules are applied to him.

Snowflake: Pretty much projection.

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dangerman  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:45:12pm

re: #100 Kragar

Debating implies they have a position which can be argued based on its merits, and ignores the fact that they’re ignorant racist fucks

Debate legitimizes them
And is a fools errand

Scorn mockery and dismissal is all they deserve
Do not accept the premise of the argument in the first place

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:46:53pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:47:43pm

re: #163 Belafon

I bet most of them don’t have chins.

Or jobs.

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scottslemmons  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:49:29pm

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹

Or jobs.

Or pure Caucasian genetics.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:49:39pm

re: #163 Belafon

I bet most of them don’t have chins.

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No Depression  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:50:36pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:50:50pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

I thought there was a counterprotest.
Here: #137.

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calochortus  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:54:44pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

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The Spite House  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:54:56pm

re: #151 Belafon

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:55:58pm

re: #170 calochortus

If these idiots really, truly believed themselves to be superior, why would they fear competition from minorities, or anyone else?

Simple, really. These men are cowards.

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dangerman  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:57:22pm

re: #141 Anymouse 🌹

Still not seeing a reason to open an account at Twitter. All it really is, is Gab dot AI light at this point.

Considering it only so I can end every single tweet with “ya melonhead”

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stpaulbear  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:57:29pm

re: #162 teleskiguy

From what I heard of the chants, there aren’t any women in the group. How do they expect to become the master race when they don’t have anyone willing to breed with them?

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JordanRules  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:57:50pm

Whew. This has been quite the week.
Hoping a nice dinner can help keep it all together.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:58:12pm

re: #174 stpaulbear

I don’t think they care about the “willing” part.

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calochortus  Aug 11, 2017 • 7:58:17pm

re: #174 stpaulbear

From what I heard of the chants, there aren’t any women in the group. How do they expect to become the master race when they don’t have anyone willing to breed with them?

Cloning.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:01:15pm

re: #170 calochortus

If these idiots really, truly believed themselves to be superior, why would they fear competition from minorities, or anyone else?

Something something cognitive dissonance (assumes cognition not in evidence).

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Unshaken Defiance  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:02:29pm

Blustering bully is full o bull
There Are No Signs That US Forces Are About To Go To War With North Korea

There are no tankers dragging American aerial combat aircraft across the Pacific—especially ones like the F-22 that would be key to any fight. Extra missile defense capabilities aren’t being sent into the region and US Marines and US Army ground combat units are not being called up for a deployment to the Korean Peninsula to augment US forces already garrisoned there. No ships have been ordered to leave their births to begin their voyage toward Korean shores. Even the USS Ronald Reagan carrier strike group remains in port in nearby Yokosuka, Japan.

thedrive.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:05:34pm

re: #180 Unshaken Defiance

From the article you cited:

No ships have been ordered to leave their births to begin their voyage toward Korean shores.

Berths.

Retired US Navy Grammar Nazi.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:07:03pm

re: #180 Unshaken Defiance

Well, I suppose a pregnant pier could give birth to a bouncing baby guided missile cruiser… .

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No Depression  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:08:06pm

re: #180 Unshaken Defiance

Blustering bully is full o bull
There Are No Signs That US Forces Are About To Go To War With North Korea

thedrive.com

I seriously don’t think he understands the level of strategy and logistics that military actions require. It’s like he thinks that every time he yammers on TV or shits out a tweet that the military will drop everything it’s doing and get into position to act on his whims at a moment’s notice.

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re: #181 teleskiguy

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b_sharp  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:11:04pm

On a more pleasant note, I had a really good vacation in Vancouver visiting my son & daughter-in-law. Did a lot of walking up & down hills, with even more stopping & sitting on benches & watching the people of Vancouver walk by. Watched an awesome fireworks display by a UK group & V went back 2 days later to watch the Canadian group fire their works which she said was even more impressive. I listened to & caught a wee bit of the display from my son’s apartment. The building was shaking.

They held the Gay Pride parade while we were there, and I swear, I have never seen so many colorful costumes in one place before. It was the best parade I’ve seen in decades.

On our last full day there we went on a whale watching tour & got to see several harbour seals, harbour porpoises, otters and a small pod of Orcinus orca. Best day ever! I was torn between feeling concerned for the orcas because of the intrusion & tickled I was able to see them in the wild instead of in an aquarium.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:11:47pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:11:54pm

re: #185 No Depression

Where’s the fucking police?

That would be the Virginia where I was stationed in the Eighties that was still fighting school desegregation court cases in Norfolk and Virginia Beach.

I’m guessing the campus police have authority at UVA, not real police. I wouldn’t be surprised if the campus police at a campus in Virginia wouldn’t wade in until the beatings were over.

I am so glad I don’t live in Dixie any more. (Or Oklahoma, Dixie West.)

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Skip Intro  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:14:52pm

re: #185 No Depression

Holding the torches.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:15:40pm

Troglodyte vermin filth can’t even spell “torch” correctly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:16:38pm

independent.co.uk

A bunch of Nazi anti-immigrant YouTubers hired a ship to protest people coming across the Mediterranean. The ship broke down, and the people aboard were rescued by an immigrant rescue group.

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KGxvi  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:16:43pm

re: #71 EPR-radar

The US would be ungovernable after a real military coup, although that may not be as big of a deal as it sounds, since we are 95% of the way to being ungovernable just because Republicans are what they are.

At the moment my favorite fan fiction scenario is one where Ryan and McConnell get midnight visits from very serious people who order them to impeach tr*mp via normal Congressional processes or else face having to do it at gunpoint.

For years I’ve been kicking around an idea for a serial novel about the break up of the US. The idea is a constitutional convention triggered by some calamity. I just haven’t figured out what the triggering event would be. Trump has given me a few ideas but I feel like it would have to be something the size of ASOIAF to do it right

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:20:08pm

More on the anti-immigrant protesters whose ship broke down:

A spokesperson for Sea-Eye, which is among those Defend Europe has accused of “colluding” with Libyan people smugglers, said it was prepared to offer any aid needed.

Michael Buschheuer, the chairman of Sea-Eye, said: “To help a ship in distress is the duty of anyone at sea, without regard for their origin, race, religion or beliefs.”

But when his ship approached the crew of the C-Star reportedly refused help.

“Sea-Eye took on a course towards the C-Star and got in contact with the right-wing extremists but they refused any help,” a spokesperson said.

“On the instructions of the Maritime Rescue Coordination Centre [in Rome], the Sea-Eye continued its search for shipwrecks and drownings.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:21:35pm

re: #98 freetoken

Most will be written in Chinese or Spanish.

Russian.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:22:34pm

re: #23 EPR-radar

No. They should just impeach this son of a bitch and get it over with. Getting tr*mp out of office is a total fucking no-brainer at this point.

And the VP and all appointments (especially Gorsuch) should br declared invalid.

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majii  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:23:33pm

re: #160 Anymouse 🌹

“Baked Alaska is nothing but another conservative whinger when his rules are applied to him.”

He and his buddy seem to have forgotten that the driver owns the car she operates for Uber. That signals to me that she has the right to kick their butts out of her own vehicle. I’m not buying their claim that they said/did nothing wrong. My instincts tell me they said something racist either to her, about her, or about other POCs. We blacks have lots of experience in working with racists. On any other job other than the type she has, we ignore them because if we complain, the boss tends to think the perpetrator/perpetrators did/said nothing that we should interpret as being offensive to us, especially if the boss is another white person. In some cases, you can lose your job if you lodge a complaint alleging racism toward them because you’re viewed as a troublemaker. Although I was a high school teacher for many years, and one would think one wouldn’t have to deal with that type of sh*t in my profession, I had to put up with that sh*t.

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No Depression  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:27:41pm

re: #200 majii

If this person is to be believed, Baked Alaska knows exactly why she kicked his ass out of her car (THREAD):

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:28:53pm

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mmmirele  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:29:04pm

re: #166 teleskiguy

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Gotta share this, it’s a pic with an article in the Orlando Sentinel about Florida Neo-Nazis.

Remember, Florida Man, Nazis and Meth don’t mix

Nazi gang members arrested after raid on Florida trailer nets meth, guns, veterans’ ID cards, more: report

Authorities found an exhaustive list of weapons, drug paraphernalia and Nazi propaganda when they raided a trailer Tuesday morning in a rural pocket of west central Florida, according to the Pasco County Sheriff’s Office.

More at the link, but the picture really does warn about the dangers of being Florida Man and mixing that with Naziism and meth.
orlandosentinel.com

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:30:12pm

re: #204 mmmirele

The Master Race!

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majii  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:32:17pm

re: #163 Belafon

“I bet most of them don’t have chins.”

It’s interesting that you mentioned that. I read an article at Raw Story a few hours ago about how white supremacists are telling their supporters that they’re too fat. Andrew Anglin weighed in, agreed that white supremacists are overweight, and gave the males tips about dressing. The new tactic seems to be to present a more “professional” appearance. I also noted that they want the males to appear “hot” so they can attract a huge following of females who will hang onto their every word and believe their white supremacist BS. Anglin went a step further and posted a pic of himself illustrating how to wear an untucked shirt. This is the biggest bunch of BS I’ve read in a loooong time. Why change one’s appearance while knowing that once one opens one’s mouth and the ugliness of one’s beliefs come out most people will be offended by it?

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:35:10pm

re: #206 majii

And I normally wouldn’t pick on people’s looks, but as #204 shows, they’re not exactly trying to take care of themselves. Being white is literally all they have.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:36:31pm

re: #198 GlutenFreeJesus

And the VP and all appointments (especially Gorsuch) should br declared invalid.

There is no Constitutional vehicle, other than impeachment, that can remove the VP or a Supreme Court justice. (One justice was removed early on for using his post to push partisan issues from the bench. My how times have changed.)

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No Depression  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:39:09pm

re: #206 majii

Nazis have always been obsessed with their looks. I mean the original ones recruited Hugo Boss to design their uniforms. They know their views are vile and stupid, so they try to make the packaging look good.

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majii  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:39:37pm

re: #169 jaunte

“you will not replace us”

I’m black, and they don’t have to worry about me wanting to “replace” them. I do not envy them, and they have nothing I want. And besides, I have better things to do with my time than to attend gatherings based on hating others for things over which they have little/no control/choice. What they need to learn to do is mind their own d*mn business. They’re in Charlottesville, itching for a fight. If those who oppose them don’t show up, it will serve them right. It will send a message to them that they’re not as important as they think they are. Of course, if no opponents show up tomorrow, they’ll claim their efforts at showing their *sses to the world were successful. Poor, delusional tools.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:42:18pm
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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:42:58pm

re: #210 majii

They’re in Charlottesville, itching for a fight.

Which is why they did it during the summer, so that there would be fewer students, so they’d win.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:45:12pm

re: #200 majii

I certainly wouldn’t want to trade the minor discrimination I get over being an atheist or Polish over that received by people-of-colour (I don’t really like that phrase having heard it during Jim Crow days, but I don’t know a better one) in a Nebraska minute (our minute will lolligag around for longer than a New York one).

I see no reason not to respect all persons equally, unless a particular person shows he or she does not deserve my respect.

(The lessons of racism were shown to me quite early when I was a child living on a Maryland Navy base by my mother versus a white Georgia woman who lived across the street from us, and an African-American family that lived next to us, all with children. Somewhat of a long story, but interesting: All of the children were friends, but the way the Georgia woman approached issues between the children and the way the African-American family and my mother did stuck with me my whole life.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:46:25pm

re: #212 Belafon

Which is why they did it during the summer, so that there would be fewer students, so they’d win.

Snowflakes. Can’t handle cold weather, unlike the massive Women’s March protests.

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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:46:50pm

re: #146 FormerDirtDart

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Eegad! Now all we need is the pitchforks to go with the torches and the irate inbreds and my longstanding predictions will have come true.

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calochortus  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:47:23pm

Time to call it a night.
Hasta mañana, Lizards

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:49:30pm

re: #216 calochortus

Time to call it a night.
Hasta mañana, Lizards

No you can’t go! I might not live through Tuesday! (I might not live through the weekend now that the town water supply failed a test, again… .)

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:51:50pm

Off to write an article here, about learning about racism as a white child in the Jim Crow south. (Alluding to that childhood story up there.)

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calochortus  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:51:53pm

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

No you can’t go! I might not live through Tuesday! (I might not live through the weekend now that the town water supply failed a test, again… .)

Do your best. I’m going to trust you to survive the weekend and your surgery.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:51:54pm

re: #192 teleskiguy

Troglodyte vermin filth can’t even spell “torch” correctly.

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sagehen  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:51:57pm

re: #186 teleskiguy

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So the main difference between these torch-wielders and Klassic Klan is they feel no need to conceal their faces?

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:52:19pm

This fucker is a putz.

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piratedan  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:53:42pm

re: #222 teleskiguy

how awesome for him, post his taxpayer paid for surgery!

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:55:27pm

re: #222 teleskiguy

This fucker is a putz.

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I cannot.  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:57:45pm
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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 8:58:47pm

re: #222 teleskiguy

Geez, we have enough Huckabees already.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:00:29pm

re: #226 jaunte

He probably thought it was hilarious, is still patting himself on the back for being a comic genius.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:02:07pm

Patton Oswalt Performs Mike Huckabee’s Twitter Jokes

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:03:25pm

Master…racer

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:04:57pm

“Why won’t women go out with nice guys and their torches?”

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:05:53pm
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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:06:47pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:08:10pm

re: #229 jaunte

re: #229 jaunte

Nothing says “White power” like tiki torches bought at Wal-Mart.

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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:08:10pm

Different times.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:09:32pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:10:05pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

If they wanted to do it like real men they’d cut a huge stick off a big oak tree and wrap the top of that sumbitch with a towel soaked in diesel. Fuckin’ pussies.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:11:18pm

re: #236 teleskiguy

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:11:21pm

It is a mistake to think that racists are all losers. They can be well educated and affluent — Mitch McConnell is a prime example. But they are all destructive, unethical, and dangerous to the well-being of our nation.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:12:52pm

re: #237 jaunte

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I don’t mind liking that, because mocking them is a good way to deal with them.

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retired cynic  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:13:57pm

re: #237 jaunte

They are a small group, and a bunch of evil jerks, but they scare me nevertheless.

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retired cynic  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:15:38pm

re: #240 retired cynic

They are a small group, and a bunch of evil jerks, but they scare me nevertheless.

Like being in the reptile house at the zoo, and seeing the pit vipers. Same feeling.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:17:21pm

re: #240 retired cynic

They are a small group, and a bunch of evil jerks, but they scare me nevertheless.

which is why they showed up when they did. During the school year, they would have been seriously outnumbered.

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JordanRules  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:18:02pm

re: #238 Hecuba’s daughter

They’re losers cause they’re racists. I think all of us are aware they live in every economic bracket - that is part of the legacy of chattel slavery in America. Hell, the media hires them. I work with them.
We encounter them everywhere.

They. Are. In. The. White. House.

We know. And they are still immoral, priviledged, mediocre ass, maladaptive losers.

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No Depression  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:20:09pm

re: #238 Hecuba’s daughter

It is a mistake to think that racists are all losers. They can be well educated and affluent — Mitch McConnell is a prime example. But they are all destructive, unethical, and dangerous to the well-being of our nation.

Mitch McConnell is a loser, though. He fucking cried at failing to strip millions of health insurance. Everything about that episode was pathetic.

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:20:45pm
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JordanRules  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:21:57pm

I do like that particular torch model though. *Nods*

We had a really dope backyard graduation party with those.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:23:11pm
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fern01  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:24:17pm

re: #245 Belafon

US is well and truly f…ed

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Belafon  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:26:58pm

re: #248 fern01

US is well and truly f…ed

As much as I truly believe police are necessary, it’s up to us to make them do the right thing.

I’ve said it before, but we’ve let those institutions be taken over by wingers. Not enough liberals went into those.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:29:55pm

Shameless Page Promotion:

A Lesson about Racism as a Child (goes to the right-hand column of Little Green Footballs)

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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:30:45pm

So basically what we got tonight was a live demonstration of the early days of Hitler’s reign, with the Nazis staging a “protest,” then beating the shit out of the counter-protest before the authorities stepped in and arrested the counter-protesters for staging an “unlawful assembly.”

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fern01  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:32:17pm

re: #249 Belafon

As much as I truly believe police are necessary, it’s up to us to make them do the right thing.

I’ve said it before, but we’ve let those institutions be taken over by wingers. Not enough liberals went into those.

Seems like every government institution is currently being overtaken by wingers - from the white house down. From the outside looking in - it looks like a facist disaster - can only imagine what it looks like from inside.

I listened to Rachel tonight talking of the trump financial viewpoint - if the number don’t add up - burn the accounts. He wants to do the same to the country.

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jaunte  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:34:04pm
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JordanRules  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:39:33pm
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Targetpractice  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:39:49pm

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JordanRules  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:44:26pm

This I know.

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Anymouse 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:44:38pm

re: #251 Targetpractice

So basically what we got tonight was a live demonstration of the early days of Hitler’s reign, with the Nazis staging a “protest,” then beating the shit out of the counter-protest before the authorities stepped in and arrested the counter-protesters for staging an “unlawful assembly.”

Not much different from the days of the Civil Rigths Movement either. Cops wade in, beat those standing up for rights.

I understand how slavery and Jim Crow shaped the country and its people. I don’t understand why this is still a vexing problem today (hence my childhood story from the Sixties I just posted).

It’s been fifty bloody years since I was a child. The outward signs of racism might be gone (no more “whites only” water fountains and such), but the attitudes are still the same a couple generations later.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 11, 2017 • 9:51:25pm

re: #53 Brian J.

It gets worse. Our Revolution’s 16-31 record in the article is a lie.

The scoreboard referenced in the article counts Democratic primary wins- even unopposed Democratic primaries- as wins even though the general election hasn’t happened yet.

CA-34? Counted as a win because of OR’s last-minute endorsement of Jimmy Gomez, the prohibitive favorite, after the three candidates OR groups endorsed all failed to make the runoff. (Jon Ossoff? Our Revolution has never heard of him despite another last-minute endorsement, which was likely the straw that broke the camel’s back.)

Kim Ellis was defeated in her run for CA Democratic Party Chair, but she is still listed as an upcoming candidate even though she lost nearly three months ago.

A winning candidate for the Portland, OR school board is listed as the “Oregon School Board” candidate to inflate her importance. Similarly, Gil Cedillo is listed as “California 1st” when he was running for the LA City Council.

Shall I go on?

I can vouch for CA-34 because I live in The district. In the primary there were three Berniebots and 1 Green. All of them were slamming Jimmy. Only made me more determined to get people out to vote for Jimmy. OR endorsed Jimmy at the last minute and that was only after the LA Times did some investigating and found out that Jimmy’s opponent in the Runoff was running as a GOP stealth candidate.


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