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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:52:17pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:53:51pm

I would do the same a few years later with Nirvana’s “Smells Like Teen Spirit.”

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:54:55pm
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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2017 • 9:59:54pm

Pulled a CL:

Is it just me, or does the Republican Party simply exist to defend the indefensible, attack the truth, and deny the inalienable rights of Americans who are female and/or black and brown?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:00:25pm

the shooter’s bio doesn’t match up w the crime

i just don’t buy it

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:00:49pm

This is harder on me than when David Bowie died. I’m broke up about it. Tom Petty has been a part of my music since I was very young. I can still remember when my parents took me to Gart Bros. in Vail to buy me skis when I was six or seven, and the shop guys were playing a vinyl version of The Heartbreakers debut album. I loved it! And the shop guys love it, too, this little kid (me) getting down to “Anything That’s Rock ‘N’ Roll.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:01:41pm

Facebook apparently blew it again:

Facebook Safety Check Pushed Funny Video Links and Bitcoin Donations after Las Vegas Massacre (goes to Daily Beast)

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:01:57pm

re: #5 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the shooter’s bio doesn’t match up w the crime

i just don’t buy it

We’re at Day One after. It’s going to take a long time - perhaps years - to figure out exactly what happened.

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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:02:04pm

Jeff Lynne and Bob Dylan abide.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:02:07pm
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Stanley Sea  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:02:19pm

Johnny Depp, Faye Dunaway et al in this vid.

A classic.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:05:13pm

Woke up this morning to see the terror in Las Vegas and going to bed right after seeing the CNN blurb that Tom Petty passed over the rainbow bridge.

But then seeing Jimmy Kimmel’s clip where he is standing up to the NRA gave me hope to keep on going…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:09:50pm

for me no loss of a musician has ever hurt as much as john lennon getting shot in 1980

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:12:44pm
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Shiplord Kirel, live from behind wingnut lines  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:13:50pm

The Las Vegas massacre started just about 24 hours ago right now, 10:16 PM local time. Events move so fast anymore.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:14:42pm

re: #13 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

for me no loss of a musician has ever hurt as much as john lennon getting shot in 1980

For me it was the death of Chris Squire of Yes.

Yes was my first introduction to popular music, when I was eleven. (At the time I was living with my grandparents, and they did everything they could to prevent me from hearing modern music.) My mother took me to a presentation at Abrams Planetarium at Michigan State where they were putting on a show based on an Issac Asimov short story, and Yes was the music backing the presentation.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:15:23pm

re: #13 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

Chris Cornell for me. Still can’t believe he is gone.

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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:15:43pm

re: #13 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

for me no loss of a musician has ever hurt as much as john lennon getting shot in 1980

Agreed that that was a short, sharp, shock.

But now we are getting to the sometimes natural and sometimes unnatural death of icons who touched us deeply. It hurts. And it should hurt.

They’re getting old, as are we.

Time wounds all heels.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:16:54pm

re: #13 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

for me no loss of a musician has ever hurt as much as john lennon getting shot in 1980

The first one I really remember hurting was Kurt Cobain.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:17:19pm

re: #17 Kragar

Chris Cornell for me. Still can’t believe he is gone.

Though I was young, Kurt Cobain tore me the fuck up.

Chris Cornell. I’m with you there. Most heartbreaking.

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:19:24pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:22:05pm

re: #21 Kragar

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:29:59pm

Thanos linked over in the right-hand column to an article where Sen. Ben Sasse went after Richard Spencer.

littlegreenfootballs.com

The thread (well, Ben Sasse doesn’t do threads) of Sen. Sasse’s tweets is funny. They got into a name-calling contest.

Too bad my senator doesn’t abandon the guy at the top of his party that supports Spencer and retweets his crap.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:35:21pm
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The Spite House  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:37:24pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:37:57pm

re: #27 The Spite House

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 10:47:40pm
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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:02:03pm

I’m going to throw this in here for no particular reason except that this is a ridiculous difficult piece of music to play live and they absolutely pull it off. Steve Howe is a monster guitarist.

Yes - Close To The Edge Live 1975 (HD) - A Celebration 2DVD set

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:03:24pm

Ran across a wingnut YouTube video putting partial blame on Prof. Richard Dawkins for last night’s shooting in Las Vegas, claiming he was making fun of it. The video didn’t actually show a clip of Prof. Dawkins doing this, or even a transcript of what he supposedly said.

He then leaps to the claim that this is problem with atheists, that we have no empathy or compassion.

I’ll skip the part where I put a link to this chowderhead’s video.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:06:38pm

re: #30 austin_blue

“Close to the Edge” was the second album I ever bought (“Fragile” was the first), from saved paper route money. Had to hide them, my grandmother would have tossed them.

I played both very low at night on a cheap record player I had. (I have since replaced the LPs many times for wearing them out. Now we have things like mp3 and CDs and my wife really hates it when I play “Close to the Edge” in the car and sing along to all the verses… .)

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:08:37pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:09:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:10:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:12:41pm

Get a load of this freaking moron. “Your hate for good honest Americans!”

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:12:48pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:13:44pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

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Kragar  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:14:33pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:16:00pm

re: #33 teleskiguy

Busy playing “Fragile” over here… .

open.spotify.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:18:45pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this freaking moron. “Your hate for good honest Americans!”

Have we ever seen this Joe with Jim in the same room at the same time?

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danarchy  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:19:39pm

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

Ran across a wingnut YouTube video putting partial blame on Prof. Richard Dawkins for last night’s shooting in Las Vegas, claiming he was making fun of it. The video didn’t actually show a clip of Prof. Dawkins doing this, or even a transcript of what he supposedly said.

He then leaps to the claim that this is problem with atheists, that we have no empathy or compassion.

I’ll skip the part where I put a link to this chowderhead’s video.

Think this is the tweet that has conservative “media” all up in arms:

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:20:40pm

re: #42 danarchy

Think this is the tweet that has conservative “media” all up in arms:

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Prof. Dawkins isn’t wrong.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:22:46pm
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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:25:39pm

I always preferred the triple album Yessongs to the movie. I guess they must have overdubbed the bejeebers out of the recordings because I’ve never seen a performance of any of those songs that match those in Yessongs. I happen to think that Steve Howe sounds horrible in that Close to the Edge video. Not only did they screw up the beginning of the song, he sounds out of tune many times.
But everybody’s a critic

First “Artist” in the World and First “Critic”

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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:27:30pm

And this little bit of hellish whiplash just for grins:

I’ve Seen All Good People ~ Yes ~ Yessongs [1972]

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:29:45pm

I remember my first taste of FM music, when I heard the full length version of Roundabout for the first time, and then I started finding out that lots of songs were longer than I thought.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:30:18pm

re: #43 Anymouse 🌹

Prof. Dawkins isn’t wrong.

Although his attempt at “American” dialect is setting my teeth on edge.

Long day, just got back. At this rate, I”m going to need the entire vacation to recuperate from planning it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:30:47pm

re: #46 austin_blue

“Playback on other Websites has been disabled by the video owner.”

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:32:18pm

re: #47 SteveMcGriftFlynnComey… …corruptemoligate RN

I remember my first taste of FM music, when I heard the full length version of Roundabout for the first time, and then I started finding out that lots of songs were longer than I thought.

I think I was 12 or 13 when one night I heard on the classic rock radio station in Vail the uncut version of “Starship Trooper.” I was totally like, “Whoa, dude!” I’ve enjoyed Yes’s music ever since.

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teleskiguy  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:32:55pm

re: #49 Anymouse 🌹

You can still watch it on YouTube.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:34:52pm

After the Close to the Edge video ended, the choices were:
Sacrifice by Elton John
Rodney Dangerfield on Johnny Carson
It’s Raining Again by Roger Hodgson
and the Red Rain Video from the other night.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:40:05pm

re: #50 teleskiguy

The ones that really hooked me were My Generation from Live at Leeds, Us and Them by Pink Floyd, Green Grass and High Tides (the Outlaws) , Oh Well (Fleetwood Mac)

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:42:16pm

The first five CDs I bought were Yessongs, Then Play On (Fleetwood Mac), Waiting for Columbus (Little Feat), Burgers (Hot Tuna), and Bursting Out by Jethro Tull

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:43:54pm

re: #50 teleskiguy

I think I was 12 or 13 when one night I heard on the classic rock radio station in Vail the uncut version of “Starship Trooper.” I was totally like, “Whoa, dude!” I’ve enjoyed Yes’s music ever since.

Once when I was on desk watch in the middle of the night at NAS Oceana, I called into rock station WNOR, the DJ of which at the time asked for requests.

I asked him to play “Close to the Edge,” and he said “why not?” He put the song on a few minutes after I called in.

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austin_blue  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:45:29pm

And I am off for the rack.

Oh, by the way, Yes got me into listening to classical music, which became a touchstone to my life. My Da was a blues and jazz nerd, and I was in the upper single digits when the Beatles were on Ed Sullivan.

I read an article around ‘71 where the band was interviewed about their influences and they talked about old composers. I went to the library and borrowed records. My parents thought I was nuts, but dad had come back with this monstrous Sony stereo system after his 1st deployment to the Nam and I was blasting Mahler and Beethoven and rolling on the living room floor in ecstasy.

You never know what floats your boat until you find your kink.

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SteveMcGriftFlynnComey... ...corruptemoligate RN  Oct 2, 2017 • 11:59:56pm

re: #56 austin_blue

My father would have been a Youtube addict.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 12:34:57am

Hmm. I was locked out of LGF … did the site go down for a short time? Nevertheless, y’all are stuck with me for a little while again.

John Oliver on forensic evidence yesterday:

Forensic Science: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2017 • 12:39:08am
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Cheechako  Oct 3, 2017 • 12:40:08am

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:01:41am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:03:24am

re: #60 Cheechako

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They are not the same person.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:06:47am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

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Cheechako  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:07:26am

re: #62 Anymouse 🌹

Thanks. I really didn’t know and didn’t want to make it a big deal if it was untrue.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:09:57am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:11:19am

re: #64 Cheechako

Thanks. I really didn’t know and didn’t want to make it a big deal if it was untrue.

That’s what I’m here for (:: Well, that and the good conversation, interesting people, informative takes on the news of the day, Mr. Johnson’s finds of amazing musical performances, &c.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:13:14am

re: #65 Kragar

I don’t know about the rest of the country, but here we certainly aren’t the “Tea Party of the Left,” never mind that the Tea Party was a Koch financed astroturf organisation on the right.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:16:10am

A bunch of assholes who turn hijack a major political party and turn our country into a feeble joke?

God knows they’re trying

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:21:14am

Concerning the differing first and middle names on the marriage certificate, it would seem that even in easy-to-marry Nevada that would get caught. Nevada law requires the following to get a marriage certificate:

Identification to prove your name and age is required. Please be prepared. Per Nevada law, we may issue a marriage license to couples with acceptable identification. Go to acceptable identification for specific information on forms of identification.

clarkcountynv.gov

Presumably acceptable identification would require the same first and middle names. I suppose you could use a fake ID, but that risks a lot if you’re caught doing it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:43:25am

Holy crap, the commentary to this tweet. Twitter still doing its absolute best (nothing) about conversations on Twitter.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2017 • 1:49:55am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹

The shooter had 19 guns. In the U.S., 3% of the population own 50% of the guns, roughly 130 million guns.

And those 130 million guns are all that stand between us and Government Tyranny.

/

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 2:00:29am

If you’re hoarding cats, they call you crazy (even if you are taking proper care of them).

If you’re hoarding guns, you’re somehow a patriot (right up until you aren’t, then the wingnuts never heard of you, claim you’re a liberal Muslim commie atheist America hater).

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2017 • 2:03:52am

I was a junior in high school when the Columbine massacre took place, which was just 100 miles to the east, more or less. Columbine was everywhere where I was, for years. I’m acutely aware of gun massacres.

Then the Aurora theater shooting.

On and on.

I don’t want to list them.

I’m fucking numb. I am fucking numb to this shit.

It breaks my heart every time. I’m running out of tears.

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2017 • 2:10:12am

When a single psycho with modified assault rifles can kill 60 and send another 500 to the hospital, the society in which that happened has crossed some kind of evil line. I fear a snowball effect.

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 2:13:00am

re: #74 teleskiguy

When a single psycho with modified assault rifles can kill 60 and send another 500 to the hospital, the society in which that happened has crossed some kind of evil line. I fear a snowball effect.

Not doing anything to try to reduce such tragedies going forward is absolute evil, and the NRA and Republican party both partake deeply of this evil.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2017 • 2:15:36am

re: #75 EPR-radar

Not doing anything to try to reduce such tragedies going forward is absolute evil, and the NRA and Republican party both partake deeply of this evil.

I hear people supporting Trump’s Muslim ban saying that there are 50,000,000 Muslims worldwide ready to kill for Jihad.

How many angry white loser guys do we have out there in America alone?

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teleskiguy  Oct 3, 2017 • 2:45:31am

Um, does anyone know about this? Sounds…enticing.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 3:07:12am

This is what politicising violence looks like:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Oct 3, 2017 • 3:09:03am

because kneeling during the SSB and shooting people randomly from a balcony are all but one and the same thing…

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meteor  Oct 3, 2017 • 3:12:48am

Now I’m going to be sad all day, again.

Rest in peace.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 3:13:06am

Read a comment elsewhere that perhaps a grassroot movement should be started, similar to those started for war memorials, for a monument to the victims of gun violence. Something similar to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, where people’s names are added.

It wouldn’t have to be in Washington (not likely to be approved by the GOP anyway). Any state that would be willing to host it would be fine.

Perhaps hire the guy who designed the wall to do that. Put a physical reminder in place that allows people who are related to grieve, others to learn, and wingnuts cannot escape its existence.

(The only problem I see with it is wingnuts vandalising it or trying to destroy it.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 3:23:10am

Politico is reporting the silencer/armour-piercing bullet/take CCW guns across state lines bill is stalled in the House now, with many Republicans saying that the tragedy in Las Vegas is too political a climate in which to bring up the bill.

“The SHARE Act was supposed to be about making it easier to hunt wildlife. The gun provisions inserted in the bill at the direction of the NRA to deregulate silencers and armor-piercing ammunition make it easier to hunt people,” said Arizona Rep. Raúl Grijalva, top Democrat on the Natural Resources Committee, in a statement. “There’s a lot we need to do in the wake of this mass shooting. We don’t need to make it easier to get hold of items that could make mass casualty events even more deadly.”

Grijalva and Michigan Rep. John Conyers, ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, sent a letter to Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) Monday asking him to pull the gun silencer bill from the House calendar indefinitely.

politico.com

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:03:10am

You know what to do.

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Nyet  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:12:57am

Also please report this one. You can choose whether for hate or for targeted harassment.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:28:34am

re: #84 Nyet

Also please report this one. You can choose whether for hate or for targeted harassment.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:38:07am

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

This is what politicising violence looks like:

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Just an idiot. I guess it will take some time for these idiots to figure out that Black people can peacefully protest whenever and however they want. No amount of yacking will stop that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:49:15am

re: #84 Nyet

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:52:12am

re: #85 The Vicious Babushka

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 4:58:40am

Well, I put out my monthly flag observance note to the county as Flag Committee Chair in my village.

Despite conservative claims, they don’t own the flag. My monthly notations are apolitical though (as they should be for this), and somewhat bland (noting the laws in question that set forth the various flag observances every month). This month there are three (somewhat long):

The following days are outlined as flag observances in the US Flag Code or Public Law.

4 U.S. Code § 6 - Time and occasions for display (link goes to the text at Cornell Law School) sets forth the days the US Flag should especially be displayed. In October, those days are Columbus Day (Federal Holiday, the second Monday of October or October 9 this year) and Navy Day, October 27.

Additionally, Public Law 107-51, 107th Congress, Joint Resolution, sets forth the National Fallen Firefighters Service, traditionally the first Sunday in October, as a half-staff day for the US Flag. This year however, the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation is holding that service on October 8. The Joint Resolution of Congress was signed into law by President George W. Bush October 16, 2001.

firehero.org (Goes to the National Fallen Firefighters Foundation, listing its events for the weekend)

The US Flag is currently at half-staff through sunset October 6 by Presidential Proclamation:
whitehouse.gov

and the Governor of Nebraska’s proclamation:
governor.nebraska.gov

Sun Oct 8: National Fallen Firefighters Memorial Service (half-staff all day)
Mon Oct 9: Columbus Day (Federal Holiday)
Fri Oct 27: Navy Day (founding of the US Navy, though research in the Seventies shows that date is incorrect)

These days will normally be preceded the day before by a Presidential Proclamation.

The American Legion recommends for flags which cannot be lowered to half-staff, such as those on a gaff from a porch or boat, or on a staff in an office or church, that a black ribbon the width of one stripe and the length of the flag be affixed to the top of the gaff or staff.

For flags displayed flat, such as on a wall, they recommend a black bow affixed to the centre of the flag, or three black bows across the top.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:00:15am

re: #39 Kragar

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Does anyone think for an instant that SMOTI would have posted the mistaken identity if the guy’s bio was all about MAGA and Hannity? Honest my ass.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:05:14am

re: #90 Mike Lamb

Does anyone think for an instant that SMOTI would have posted the mistaken identity if the guy’s bio was all about MAGA and Hannity? Honest my ass.

I wonder if the guy is for real. Jim Hoft has never mentioned a twin brother, and suddenly this guy pops out of nowhere to attack Mr. Johnson here.

It seems like a similar ploy to the Malik Obama account he apparently controls (though Malik Obama is a real person).

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Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:07:43am

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

Are all heads of police unions douche bags?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:15:26am

re: #92 Mike Lamb

Are all heads of police unions douche bags?

Well, I wouldn’t say all, but the vile ones get all the press. I imagine there are plenty of police union leaders who are only concerned with ensuring their union members’ rights and such. The loudmouths seem to bask in attention, even negative attention (a city can’t fire a police union head for example, although the union members can).

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:26:35am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:28:06am

Holy crap.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:29:41am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:30:02am

re: #95 Anymouse 🌹

Holy crap.

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Yeah. It’s almost like he wants a war.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:31:50am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Yeah. It’s almost like he wants a war.

What’s the point of being President if you can’t play with the most powerful military in the history of the world?

Democrat Harry Truman got to drop atomic weapons, why shouldn’t he be able to? /s

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:31:54am

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Get a load of this freaking moron. “Your hate for good honest Americans!”

“Let me know when you see one, Joe.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:33:25am

Does he think he is in grade school?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:35:30am

Yeah, my brother-in-law in Texas (a teacher) would not give Trump an A+ over the FEMA response. (His wife only got back to Houston from Russia a couple days ago.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:36:16am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:38:52am

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

Does he think he is in grade school?

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It’s all about ratings with him.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:39:00am

re: #84 Nyet

Also please report this one. You can choose whether for hate or for targeted harassment.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:44:36am

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

Read a comment elsewhere that perhaps a grassroot movement should be started, similar to those started for war memorials, for a monument to the victims of gun violence. Something similar to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, where people’s names are added.

It wouldn’t have to be in Washington (not likely to be approved by the GOP anyway). Any state that would be willing to host it would be fine.

Perhaps hire the guy who designed the wall to do that. Put a physical reminder in place that allows people who are related to grieve, others to learn, and wingnuts cannot escape its existence.

(The only problem I see with it is wingnuts vandalising it or trying to destroy it.)

Same guy did the Civil Rights memorial at the SPLC headquarters.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:49:39am
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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:49:55am

Possible answer to the automatic fire in Las Vegas—2 rifles are reported to have been modified with bump stocks. These devices slip through a loophole. They’re legal, but reduce accuracy.

apnews.com

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:54:20am

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Possible answer to the automatic fire in Las Vegas—2 rifles are reported to have been modified with bump stocks. These devices slip through a loophole. They’re legal, but reduce accuracy.

apnews.com

Accuracy isn’t much of a problem for those who aren’t aiming for specific targets and just want indiscriminate damage. Not just even in the context of mass shootings, some of those that would own something like this would use it to mask their lack of training so they can spray and pray.

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I cannot.  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:54:21am

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Of course, if trying for mass slaughter, accuracy isn’t needed…

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:56:36am

re: #108 Citizen K

re: #109 I cannot.

Yup.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2017 • 5:57:07am

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Possible answer to the automatic fire in Las Vegas—2 rifles are reported to have been modified with bump stocks. These devices slip through a loophole. They’re legal, but reduce accuracy.

apnews.com

I was just reading about those. In the case of the Las Vegas shooting, I’d think accuracy didn’t matter too much; he was just raining bullets on the crowd. Sort of like what you see in those movies where hundreds of archers fire on a phalanx.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:01:44am

Don’t love cats, but like most of you having a tough day, plus who doesn’t love a cat burglar who makes deliveries.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:02:58am

Shameless page promotion:

Gun Control and Religious Freedom (goes to the right-hand column of Little Green Footballs)

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:03:23am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

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Same guy did the Civil Rights memorial at the SPLC headquarters.

I was going to make a comment about that ‘guy’ too.

Bad ‘mouse.

Anyone suffering emotional emptiness with a big helping of WTF are we doing?

I can’t watch TV. To me they seem to be using Las Vegas as a ratings plus story or something.

To me they should be outraged, but it is just thoughts and prayers. Empty prayers followed by empty thoughts for an empty country.

And then there is Petty passing away. In a way he is going quietly due to his story coming within “The Worst Mass Shooting in History.” Maybe that is how he would want it, but damn, he was a great.

Yeah, empty. Hollowed out.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:04:22am

re: #83 Nyet

You know what to do.

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:04:32am

re: #107 Decatur Deb

Possible answer to the automatic fire in Las Vegas—2 rifles are reported to have been modified with bump stocks. These devices slip through a loophole. They’re legal, but reduce accuracy.

apnews.com

He didn’t need accuracy for what he was doing. They worked just fine to spray a crowd 400+ yards away.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:07:12am

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

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A moderately rational person might be able to deduce something from those 2 statements…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:12:05am

Something else to be happy about, Mueller is on it.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:13:19am

re: #119 I Would Prefer Not To

Something else to be happy about, Mueller is on it.

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Mueller is awesome.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:14:03am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:17:27am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:21:09am

re: #44 Anymouse 🌹

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:21:12am

re: #122 The Vicious Babushka

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Aussie Apocalypse  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:21:34am

re: #77 teleskiguy

In round 10, Foreman is allowed to use his eponymous grill.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:21:41am

re: #106 The Vicious Babushka

So glad we’re back to “deficits are good”.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:21:50am

re: #123 GlutenFreeJesus

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Sigh. People suck.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:22:32am

re: #126 Sir John Barron

So glad we’re back to “deficits are good”.

/

Deficits are good.*
Until the Dems control the WH then we suddenly care.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:22:43am

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

Does he think he is in grade school?

Disasters. They’re all about Trump’s grades.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:25:05am

re: #100 The Vicious Babushka

Does he think he is in grade school?

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He’s a delusional sociopath.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:25:54am

re: #119 I Would Prefer Not To

What if the people who received the pardons didn’t accept them?

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:26:31am

As a gun owner, I ask why don’t the authorities follow up on straw man prosecutions, follow up when a gun owner falls out of law abiding and must give them up, or let state laws (see Arizona) reduce ATF efforts?

The bump stock might be legal, but a plain language reading says really not.
I say this is a lack of prosecution by ATF. A fast track to jail is full auto conversion kits in the same room with a compatible gun. Anyone with experience in this area of the law, please chime in. I’m email Chuck Michel, an attorney famous or infamous if you like for this area of expertise.

Federal Definition of a Machine Gun
For purposes of federal law, a machine gun is defined as:

[A]ny weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manually reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.16

I’m about a half millimeter from calling bullshit on the legality, and shaming the authorities accordingly.

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jeffreyw  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:27:03am

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Good morning!

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:27:56am

re: #37 Kragar

The one thing in life that gave me peace was believing there was only one Hoft. This has been a stunning development.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:32:54am

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area. It’s not a good day to be optimistic when there are right wing nutters, the Alex Jones audience, who think Las Vegas was carried out so as to “taint” the Bundy trials.

There’s so much derp and insanity out there, and it starts at the top. Trump. His buddies in the fever swamps, whether it’s Alex Jones or agitprop producers SMOTI, Rage Furby, and their sycophants, are spreading this toxic stew far and wide.

They have excelled at DARVO, and they’re not going to be done until the entire nation is upended and in turmoil, all while the 1% accumulate more wealth and everyone else sees their burdens increase exponentially.

More than that, we’re exporting the insanity elsewhere such as with actions like this:

Once again, the GOP isn’t about being pro life. Or about life at all. They’re more than willing to desecrate lives and destroy them so that a select few can profit. They exploit the religious beliefs of a handful to impose their views on everyone else. They don’t care about life, and their actions on health care, LGBT, birth control, women’s rights, CHIP (the latest insanity being that the GOP allowed the program to expire 10/1), etc. show that they’re more interested in forcing women to carry to term than they are in caring for the woman’s health or the health of their child.

The fetus is a prop in their debased worldview. They are all about government so small it fits up in the lady bits and in bathroom stalls and the bedroom. They aren’t small government. They’re for a police state that is very much up into what everyone is doing. Their notion of privacy is a fuzzy one, all in furtherance of “security.”

But in doing so, no one is secure, violence is a huge issue, and civil and voting rights are under assault, and the rich just keep getting richer.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:33:43am

A thread from Cheryl Rofer (a nuclear weapons expert):

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:34:20am

re: #135 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the resistance in the NYC metro area. It’s not a good day to be optimistic when there are right wing nutters, the Alex Jones audience, who think Las Vegas was carried out so as to “taint” the Bundy trials.

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Once again, the GOP isn’t about being pro life. Or about life at all. They’re more than willing to desecrate lives and destroy them so that a select few can profit. They exploit the religious beliefs of a handful to impose their views on everyone else. They don’t care about life, and their actions on health care, LGBT, birth control, women’s rights, CHIP (the latest insanity being that the GOP allowed the program to expire 10/1), etc. show that they’re more interested in forcing women to carry to term than they are in caring for the woman’s health or the health of their child.

The fetus is a prop in their debased worldview. They are all about government so small it fits up in the lady bits and in bathroom stalls and the bedroom. They aren’t small government. They’re for a police state that is very much up into what everyone is doing. Their notion of privacy is a fuzzy one, all in furtherance of “security.”

But in doing so, no one is secure, violence is a huge issue, and civil and voting rights are under assault, and the rich just keep getting richer.

I hate fucking CT loons.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:40:13am

I remember like it was yesterday, I was at my friend Chuck Tart’s house, and it was the first time I even heard of HBO, cable, and MTV. The very first music video I saw was this:

Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers - You Got Lucky [OFFICIAL VIDEO]

Life long fan ever since.

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Patricia Kayden  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:42:21am

re: #135 lawhawk

So the Trump admin is okay with gays being subjected to the death penalty just because of their sexuality? WTH??!!

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danarchy  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:45:06am

re: #132 Unshaken Defiance

As a gun owner, I ask why don’t the authorities follow up on straw man prosecutions, follow up when a gun owner falls out of law abiding and must give them up, or let state laws (see Arizona) reduce ATF efforts?

The bump stock might be legal, but a plain language reading says really not.
I say this is a lack of prosecution by ATF. A fast track to jail is full auto conversion kits in the same room with a compatible gun. Anyone with experience in this area of the law, please chime in. I’m email Chuck Michel, an attorney famous or infamous if you like for this area of expertise.

I think in a legal sense the key phrase in that definition is by a single function of the trigger.

What the bump stock does is facilitates pulling the trigger faster, but there is still a trigger pull for each shot.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:48:01am

re: #135 lawhawk

UN Human Rights Council voted to condemn death penalty for homosexuality. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, China and yes, the US voted against
— Raphael Ahren

Hmmm, link for this?

I don’t doubt our current leadership would do this, all the while criticizing Cuba, China and other countries on human rights. The U.S. has also staunchly defended its use of the death penalty and resisted measures seen as infringing on its sovereignty.

Did a few days search at NYT and didn’t see anything for this, though.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:49:02am

I completely agree with this:

My whole news feed is full of decent, well-intentioned folks, from the highest halls of power on down to just regular people trying to do the right thing, navigating their way through this dumbass right-wing talking point as though it’s a good-faith argument worthy of addressing.

“No, this IS the time to politicize the issue, because XYZ.”

And so we get bogged down, bickering on their terms, which is, of course, the entire fucking purpose of the bullshit “argument” in the first place.

Why play along? It’s obviously nothing but an empty talking point. Just raw, unfiltered, horseshit.

So TREAT IT like horseshit. Blow straight past it without bothering to notice the idiot spouting it.

“You shouldn’t politicize the tragedy!”

“Lord, that’s a stupid fucking thing to say. ANYHOW…”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:52:05am

What I wanna know is why we shouldn’t politicize this. 59 people are dead. Over 500 wounded. Paddock had ten guns that he bought in one setting. It’s true. People kill people but guns and easy access to them make it so much easier.

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:53:40am

re: #74 teleskiguy

When a single psycho with modified assault rifles can kill 60 and send another 500 to the hospital, the society in which that happened has crossed some kind of evil line. I fear a snowball effect.

As evil and horrendous as that is, the fact that 20 children and 6 adults died in a mass shooting in Sandy Hook just 5 years ago and we let the gun lobby and their congressional whores get away with doing nothing, nothing!, about it is where that evil line was crossed. When a people can witness the slaughter of 26 people in a place of learning and make absolutely no changes to gun laws is, in my mind, the beginning of the end.

We must not let that happen here. Where do good people stand up and say “Enough!”.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:56:50am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

What I wanna know is why we shouldn’t politicize this. 59 people are dead. Over 500 wounded. Paddock had ten guns that he bought in one setting. It’s true. People kill people but guns and easy access to them make it so much easier.

I remember waking up yesterday and seeing the count at 20 likely dead, which was bad enough.

By the time I got to work the count was up to 50+, which was almost enough to turn my stomach. That’s just a staggering number even given the circumstances (large, penned in crowd, well-armed shooter from far above).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:57:36am

re: #144 sizzzzlerz

As evil and horrendous as that is, the fact that 20 children and 6 adults died in a mass shooting in Sandy Hook just 5 years ago and we let the gun lobby and their congressional whores get away with doing nothing, nothing!, about it is where that evil line was crossed. When a people can witness the slaughter of 26 people in a place of learning and make absolutely no changes to gun laws is, in my mind, the beginning of the end.

We must not let that happen here. Where do good people stand up and say “Enough!”.

When our last President showed emotion after Sandy Hook, the right wing bastards mocked him and others including people who have the current president’s ear suggested it was staged.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:58:28am

re: #141 Sir John Barron

Hmmm, link for this?

I don’t doubt our current leadership would do this, all the while criticizing Cuba, China and other countries on human rights. The U.S. has also staunchly defended its use of the death penalty and resisted measures seen as infringing on its sovereignty.

Did a few days search at NYT and didn’t see anything for this, though.

This appears to be the item in question from the UN HRC website.

36/17

The question of the death penalty

3

A/HRC/36/L.6

Adopted as orally revised by a recorded vote (27 to 13, with 7 abstentions), 40th meeting, 29 September 2017

From the resolution:

Condemning the imposition of the death penalty as a sanction for specific forms of conduct,such as apostasy, blasphemy, adultery and consensual same-sex relations, and expressing serious concern that the application of the death penalty for adultery is disproportionately imposed on women,

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:58:32am

re: #140 danarchy

I think in a legal sense the key phrase in that definition is by a single function of the trigger.

What the bump stock does is facilitates pulling the trigger faster, but there is still a trigger pull for each shot.

Back when I was a kid, someone created an arcade game to go along with the 1984 Olympics. One of the events was the 100 yard dash. There were two buttons you were supposed to hit, back and forth to make the guy run, and the faster you could alternate, the faster the guy would go. Well, someone figured out a way to hold a pencil so that you would hit one side and your hand would spring back to the other side. The character on the screen would move really fast.

Eventually, an update came out that replaced the two buttons with a track ball.

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:59:00am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

When our last President showed emotion after Sandy Hook, the right wing bastards mocked him and others including people who have the current president’s ear suggested it was staged.

All the more reason to believe that, as a nation, we’re doomed.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:59:01am

re: #145 Sir John Barron

I remember waking up yesterday and seeing the count at 20 likely dead, which was bad enough.

By the time I got to work the count was up to 50+, which was almost enough to turn my stomach. That’s just a staggering number even given the circumstances (large, penned in crowd, well-armed shooter from far above).

Those are video game numbers honestly. Just unreal. And then there are those who were fortunate not to be physically wounded but no doubt have psychological wounds.

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2017 • 6:59:12am

re: #144 sizzzzlerz

As evil and horrendous as that is, the fact that 20 children and 6 adults died in a mass shooting in Sandy Hook just 5 years ago and we let the gun lobby and their congressional whores get away with doing nothing, nothing!, about it is where that evil line was crossed. When a people can witness the slaughter of 26 people in a place of learning and make absolutely no changes to gun laws is, in my mind, the beginning of the end.

We must not let that happen here. Where do good people stand up and say “Enough!”.

And that’s the thing: we made changes to the gun laws…in the complete opposite direction. We didn’t just fail to make stricter regulations, but we actively loosened them up nationwide, while still talking about how the entire thing was somehow a hoax to hurt the 2nd Amendment and NRA or some shit.

This is never getting changed. No matter how much will we have, the NRA outright owns this fucking country for-fucking-ever.

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Dragonomics  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:02:56am

re: #148 Belafon

The game was Track & Field. I used a comb rather than a pencil. I never saw the track ball edition of the game.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:06:35am

re: #147 lawhawk

Thanks

The full document indicates there was a lot of additional statements about the DP that undoubtedly caused the US to oppose.

Welcoming the fact that many States are applying a moratorium on the use of the death penalty,

Noting that States with different legal systems, traditions, cultures and religious backgrounds have abolished the death penalty or are applying a moratorium on its use,

Strongly deploring the fact that the use of the death penalty leads to violations of the human rights of the persons facing the death penalty and of other affected persons,

Recognizing the report of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights on the high-level panel discussion on the question of the death penalty, during which it was concluded that a significant number of States hold that the death penalty is a form of torture or other cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment,

Deploring the fact that, frequently, poor and economically vulnerable persons and foreign nationals are disproportionately subjected to the death penalty, that laws carrying the death penalty are used against persons exercising their rights to freedom of expression, thought, conscience, religion, and peaceful assembly and association, and that persons belonging to religious or ethnic minorities are disproportionately represented among those sentenced to the death penalty,

Not to excuse the U.S. vote, but along with our love of gunz, we do sure loves us some death penalty here in the U.S.

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:07:27am

re: #148 Belafon

re: #152 Dragonomics

The trackball versions were conditional retrofits, I believe, due to many machines getting the buttons worn out from repeated mashing.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:07:51am

re: #153 Sir John Barron

We think a lot of problems can be solved by killing someone, yet don’t think new problems will come from it.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:08:48am
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:13:18am

re: #4 austin_blue

Pulled a CL:

Is it just me, or does the Republican Party simply exist to defend the indefensible, attack the truth, and deny the inalienable rights of Americans who are female and/or black and brown?

No. It primarily exists to redistribute income to the wealthiest 1% of Americans.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:13:20am

re: #154 Citizen K

The trackball versions were conditional retrofits, I believe, due to many machines getting the buttons worn out from repeated mashing.

I still, to this day, remember where I played it. The first Taco Bueno opened on South First in Abilene. You walked in to the order counter, which was a small area. Most of the restaurant was behind it. To the left, a hall led you to the tables. To the right was the arcade area.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:14:18am

re: #155 Belafon

We think a lot of problems can be solved by killing someone, yet don’t think new problems will come from it.

We have a lot of bloodlust. I read the comments on crime stories and people talk about wanting public and or very brutal executions. I understand crime is emotional and man I’d be torn apart if a loved one of mine was murdered like I’ve read some people murdered but you can’t become the monster you hate.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:15:18am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:16:21am

re: #160 The Vicious Babushka

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Lovely couple. Congrats President and Mrs. Obama.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:20:15am

oh…ok…
*blink*

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:22:11am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

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Same guy did the Civil Rights memorial at the SPLC headquarters.

Well, I’m stupid. Maya Lin doesn’t really qualify as “guy,” eh?

Change that sentence above to “get the woman who designed the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:23:31am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…ok…
*blink*

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But don’t politicize the shootings. // Fuck you Fox. Fuck you for poisoning people’s minds with your shitty propaganda masquerading as news.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:23:53am

Remember Jesse Camp? I don’t think Jesse Camp remembers Jesse Camp.

pagesix.com

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:24:06am

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

This is what politicising violence looks like:

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Karma is coming for them. The GOP they support is getting ready to break their union, along with all other public sector unions, followed by the private sector unions as well.

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CongoJack  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:24:44am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

Its OK - the CNN “forensic psychiatrist” will blame Faux News. Then we can have a battle royal with all the talking heads. Whomever walks out alive wins (I’m tired of the news thus we turn it into Celebrity Death Match clay-mation).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:25:44am

re: #167 CongoJack

Its OK - the CNN “forensic psychiatrist” will blame Faux News. Then we can have a battle royal with all the talking heads. Whomever walks out alive wins (I’m tired of the news thus we turn it into Celebrity Death Match clay-mation).

Heh I really liked that show back in the day. It was silly and absurd but that was the late 90’s.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:27:00am

re: #162 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…ok…
*blink*

Fox misheard the person, it’s “forensic phrenologist.”

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:29:18am

re: #169 Belafon

Fox misheard the person, it’s “forensic phrenologist proctologist.”

FTFY.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:29:35am

BTW, the next argument in the “we can’t control guns” from the right is “3D printers.”

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:30:25am

re: #170 Dr Lizardo

FTFY.

Hopefully, this person has never been allowed to actually practice if that’s the case.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:34:12am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Yep. And honestly I’m tired of blaming mental illness while at the same time not doing anything about mental illness.

Plus, mentally-ill people are overwhelmingly victims of violent crimes, not perpetrators.

One problem though with mental illness is in the rule set aside by the Trump Administration on guns and the mentally ill, the ACLU and twenty-three disability rights organisations argued to set it aside.

aclu.org

The argument used was primarily a slippery-slope argument: If you can take a II Amendment right from a mentally-ill person, then you could take any right (or expand that to other disabilities).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:34:24am

re: #171 Belafon

BTW, the next argument in the “we can’t control guns” from the right is “3D printers.”

Yeah I saw Rick Wilson make that argument. Sick of these excuses.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:35:23am

I would like to see Dana explain how a guy in a hotel room can kill 59 people 32 floors & a block away, with hands, feet and fists, a bottle of vodka and a carton of Camels.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:36:03am

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹

Plus, mentally-ill people are overwhelmingly victims of violent crimes, not perpetrators.

One problem though with mental illness is in the rule set aside by the Trump Administration on guns and the mentally ill, the ACLU and twenty-three disability rights organisations argued to set it aside.

aclu.org

The argument used was primarily a slippery-slope argument: If you can take a II Amendment right from a mentally-ill person, then you could take any right (or expand that to other disabilities).

I actually understood a little where the ACLU was coming from on that and the disability groups but at the same time, something needs to be done. It should have risen tons of red flags when this guy bought ten weapons. But yes those with mental illness are far more likely to be the victims of violent crime than commit it.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:37:04am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

“We can only do one thing at a time. When I chew, I am temporarily blind.” - Dana

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:37:25am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

I would like to see Dana explain how a guy in a hotel room can kill 59 people 32 floors & a block away, with hands, feet and fists.

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The biggest difference between those things and guns Dumb Dana is guns are specifically designed to end lives and the gun used two nights ago was specifically designed to as end many lives as possible in a quick amount of time as possible. Great use for military combat but for a civilian, hell fucking no. Stop crying about guns and actually show some fucking concern for humanity, you gun humping witch.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:37:48am

re: #177 Belafon

“We can only do one thing at a time. When I chew, I am temporarily blind.” - Dana

All that dumb woman cares about is guns. She and LaPierre both.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:38:46am

re: #179 HappyWarrior

All that dumb woman cares about is guns. She and LaPierre both.

Being able to only do one thing at a time also explains why she sounds like an idiot when she talks.

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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:38:54am

re: #171 Belafon

BTW, the next argument in the “we can’t control guns” from the right is “3D printers.”

Since the NRA and their pet GOPers exist to prop up and fluff gun manufacturers, wouldn’t 3D printing of guns be something they actually WOULD regulate? People being able to make their own guns would be a YUGE threat to profits, after all…

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:39:04am

re: #171 Belafon

BTW, the next argument in the “we can’t control guns” from the right is “3D printers.”

Which puts the NRA in a bind, as they support gun manufacturers over their membership, and gun manufacturers are opposed to 3D printer guns. (They can’t make money on those.)

Vanity Fair wrote an article about what appears to be a split building within the NRA last year, and 3D guns are part of that (the rest is that for sport shooters and hunters the organisation is chock full of wingnuts, while even crazier organisations like the Gun Owners of America are peeling off NRA members who think the NRA is becoming too liberal).

vanityfair.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:39:06am

One of you or someone on Twitter made a great point yesterday. “When a knife can kill 59 people and wound 500 people in 15 minutes then I’ll start calling for knife control.” The issue isn’t that guns kill in themselves. The issue is these guns kill and can kill rapidly. It must piss Dana off that the “good guy with a gun” adage is pretty much impossible to use here.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:40:01am

re: #182 Anymouse 🌹

Which puts the NRA in a bind, as they support gun manufacturers over their membership, and gun manufacturers are opposed to 3D printer guns. (They can’t make money on those.)

Vanity Fair wrote an article about what appears to be a split building within the NRA last year, and 3D guns are part of that (the rest is that for sport shooters and hunters the organisation is chock full of wingnuts, while even crazier organisations like the Gun Owners of America are peeling off NRA members who think the NRA is becoming too liberal).

vanityfair.com

NRA becoming too liberal? What planet do these guys live on?

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:41:46am

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

Dana and the other gun nuts think they need their firearms to protect them from FEDERAL TYRANNY!1!.

The US government, amongst other things, has at its disposal Reaper drones, armed with Hellfire or Paveway II missiles. They can blow away your typical Three-Percenter while he’s sitting on the can reading the latest issue of ‘Guns & Ammo’ and he’d never even know what hit him. He’d never even hear the drone - their operational ceiling is 25,000 feet and a Paveway II has an effective firing range of nine miles.

If they seriously think their AR-15 is somehow going to protect them against this, they’re sadly mistaken.

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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:42:15am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

One of you or someone on Twitter made a great point yesterday. “When a knife can kill 59 people and wound 500 people in 15 minutes then I’ll start calling for knife control.” The issue isn’t that guns kill in themselves. The issue is these guns kill and can kill rapidly. It must piss Dana off that the “good guy with a gun” adage is pretty much impossible to use here.

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I cannot.  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:42:58am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:44:38am

re: #186 Interesting Times

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Yep, that was it. Thanks. And it’s a good one. 59 people dead and 500 wounded within 15 minutes. Jesus Christ. But nope we shouldn’t talk about guns. Nope. But we can be Pat Robertson and blame NFL players. We can be that hack on FNC and blame CNN. I’m sorry and I know we have a lot of gun owners here on LGF but fuck the gun culture and gun hoarding that goes on this country.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:46:27am

re: #158 Belafon

I still, to this day, remember where I played it. The first Taco Bueno opened on South First in Abilene. You walked in to the order counter, which was a small area. Most of the restaurant was behind it. To the left, a hall led you to the tables. To the right was the arcade area.

While in technical school, I worked nights at an arcade across from the school on Westheimer in west Houston. Track & Field was one of the more popular games. And I saw many kids using the pencil method.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:47:17am

But the fact of the matter is Dana ignores that we do something about a lot of these. We do regulate pools for safety measures. We do make sure cars are in fact safe to drive. I get it. We have the second amendment which as I just saw someone say was written in a time when we fired one shot a minute. More people died Sunday night in Las Vegas than died at the Battle of Lexington and Concord that started the American Revolution.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:47:21am

re: #187 I cannot.

Her standard response to anyone who points out her idiocy is “Bless your heart” which is Loeschese for “Go Fuck Yourself”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:47:45am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:48:49am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

NRA becoming too liberal? What planet do these guys live on?

The Gun Owners of America and Larry Pratt make the NRA practically nannies by comparison.

en.wikipedia.org (Article on Larry Platt)

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:49:35am

re: #190 HappyWarrior

But the fact of the matter is Dana ignores that we do something about a lot of these. We do regulate pools for safety measures. We do make sure cars are in fact safe to drive. I get it. We have the second amendment which as I just saw someone say was written in a time when we fired one shot a minute. More people died Sunday night in Las Vegas than died at the Battle of Lexington and Concord that started the American Revolution.

Yep. We ban cars that are not street legal. Which means you cannot drive a NASCAR car on the street.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:50:00am

re: #193 Anymouse 🌹

The Gun Owners of America and Larry Pratt make the NRA practically nannies by comparison.

en.wikipedia.org (Article on Larry Platt)

Oh I’m familiar with the GOA and Pratt. Just unreal that they think the NRA is becoming too liberal.

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:50:43am

re: #186 Interesting Times

re: #187 I cannot.

As Eddie Izzard said, “The NRA says ‘guns don’t kill, people do’, but I think the gun helps.”

The point isn’t ‘blaming the tool’, it’s that said tool in the hands of the wrong people makes a dangerous situation deadly, and makes a deadly situation into a potential massacre. It’s a catalyst, and it literally has no other purpose than to damage and maim things. There’s no other use for a gun than to shoot things with the intent to kill.

As a point:

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:50:54am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Oh I’m familiar with the GOA and Pratt. Just unreal that they think the NRA is becoming too liberal.

“They have all these bogus rules at gun ranges. How are those supposed to keep us safe from the government?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:51:02am

From Wikipedia, more on Larry Pratt of GOA:

Pratt has founded a variety of organizations, including English First (lobbying organization), Gun Owners of America, U.S. Border Control, and Committee to Protect the Family.

Pratt is the president of English First, an organization within the English-only movement. The organization was founded in 1986, and works to pass English Only amendments at both state and federal levels. Pratt also helped found and served as secretary of the Council for Inter-American Security, which was founded in 1976. Pratt has served as a board member of the American Legislative Exchange Council.

Pratt has also been listed as a member of the Council for National Policy (CNP). A January 13, 2001 article in The Guardian explored Pratt’s relationship with then-Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft, stating they knew each other from the CNP. The January 11, 2001 edition of TIME Magazine included an article on Pratt and Ashcroft’s relationship.

In the late 1980s and early 1990s, Pratt used his Committee to Protect the Family organization to raise $150,000 for the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue which paid $50,000 in court-imposed fines.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:51:44am

re: #194 Belafon

Yep. We ban cars that are not street legal. Which means you cannot drive a NASCAR car on the street.

The counter to that is “Well cars aren’t in the constitution and guns are.” I know it sounds radical but we really do need to consider when the 2nd was written. And I get that maybe that could set up a dangerous slope considering the 1st as well but whereas speech has merely taken on different forms, guns have gotten more deadly.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:52:23am

re: #196 Citizen K

As Eddie Izzard said, “The NRA says ‘guns don’t kill, people do’, but I think the gun helps.”

The point isn’t ‘blaming the tool’, it’s that said tool in the hands of the wrong people makes a dangerous situation deadly, and makes a deadly situation into a potential massacre. It’s a catalyst, and it literally has no other purpose than to damage and maim things. There’s no other use for a gun than to shoot things with the intent to kill.

As a point:

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The NRA wants to make guns anything but what tehy are. They are weapons. Whether you’re hunting, owning one for protection, etc.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:52:50am

Photos of some of the firearms used in Vegas

fox25boston.com

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:53:07am

re: #197 Belafon

“They have all these bogus rules at gun ranges. How are those supposed to keep us safe from the government?”

Gun safety is for beta cucks man. //

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:53:55am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

From Wikipedia, more on Larry Pratt of GOA:

So he’s a racist and anti abortion fanatic as well. Que shock.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:55:33am

nypost.com

The high-powered weapons included an AR-15 and an AK-47 as well as four Daniel Defense DDM4 rifles, three FN-15s and other rifles made by Sig Sauer, according to reports.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:55:39am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:56:00am

It’s never going to be acceptable to talk about guns in this country. After Sandy Hook, I’ve resigned myself to that. But I’m glad that we have elected officials like Senator Murphy of Connecticut that are willing to take on the cowards at the NRA. And make no mistake about it, Dana Loesch, Wayne LaPierre, and the NRA leadership are cowards. They think they’re tough, bad asses but they’re actually fucking cowards that hide behind guns.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:56:01am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:56:17am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

The counter to that is “Well cars aren’t in the constitution and guns are.” I know it sounds radical but we really do need to consider when the 2nd was written. And I get that maybe that could set up a dangerous slope considering the 1st as well but whereas speech has merely taken on different forms, guns have gotten more deadly.

And that goes back to the fact that for many years, the courts ruled you had an absolute right to drive a car without interference, known as the Right to Travel. Automobile ownership and driving were in fact considered constitutionally-protected against government encroachment.

The right to own a car and continually striking down state traffic laws was upheld over and over again through the Thirties, when auto deaths started getting to the point that the courts took a harder look at that.

Long PDF from Oklahoma City University Law Review, replace the (dot):

www (dot) constitution (dot) org/lrev/roots/orphaned_right (dot) pdf

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:57:39am

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

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Your network literally had someone that blamed CNN for the shooting, FNC. Fuck off with that shit. And Hillary wasn’t “politicizing” it all, she was correctly pointing out that no civilian should have had access to these weapons. But go ahead cry about Hillary some more and get your sexually impotent viewership into a rage at someone who isn’t even in elected office, you fucking cowards who have no idea what it’s like to lose someone to guns.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:58:25am

re: #140 danarchy

I think in a legal sense the key phrase in that definition is by a single function of the trigger.

What the bump stock does is facilitates pulling the trigger faster, but there is still a trigger pull for each shot.

This is where the legal sense is nonsense (I think anyway) when intent (ban full auto), and an outcome (full auto) result from a replacement / mod of the gun. In this case a weird stock. Guys used to make wind up cams they would put in the trigger. Until someone paid a huge fine and went on probation to stay out of jail. People have been charged with possession of a machine pistol when the gun lab mishandled / abused a gun enough to get it to double fire in the test tank.

I admit this is wildly uneven when you look around nationally. Cities vs rural areas.

I’m just not in the camp that finds that loophole view credible, and I suspect ATF will come around fast, still too late. The loophole view gets ATF and others such as state legislators off the hook for failed enforcement or policy. Imho. Nobody reasonable thinks the 2nd A ensures the right to that deadly modification of the guns.

It’s extremely well established that the mechanics and availability of guns can be regulated. So can people to a degree, felons are prohibited, waiting periods.

It is equally well established that laws that go un or under enforced are not effective. That’s a dire warning to those who want to pass more rules. Budgets and executive inclinations vary widely by time and geography.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:58:31am

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I’m stupid. Maya Lin doesn’t really qualify as “guy,” eh?

Change that sentence above to “get the woman who designed the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.”

That list has an endpoint.

Perhaps something like the AIDS quilt, since we’ll be adding more squares on a regular basis.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 7:58:53am

Sorry guys. This is a little personal to me. I had friends and family at Virginia Tech. And my great uncle actually shot himself with a gun.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:00:11am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

The counter to that is “Well cars aren’t in the constitution and guns are.” I know it sounds radical but we really do need to consider when the 2nd was written. And I get that maybe that could set up a dangerous slope considering the 1st as well but whereas speech has merely taken on different forms, guns have gotten more deadly.

9th and 10th amendment, a favorite argument of theirs. And I believe the SCOTUS has ruled on the constitutionality of driving.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:02:52am

re: #213 Belafon

9th and 10th amendment, a favorite argument of theirs. And I believe the SCOTUS has ruled on the constitutionality of driving.

Yeah they have per AM’s link. I think we just need to use and I hate using this word since it’s abused so often these days but “common sense.” Rifles? Sure, I have no problem with someone owning one of those whether for protection or because they enjoy hunting or whatever. A handgun even I get. But weapons like these? I can’t for the life of me see the practicality of a civilian wanting to own them. I mean if you must shoot them for target shooting, maybe we can have ranges where people use them but for personal ownership? As I said, more people died two nights ago than Americans died at the battle that started the Revolutionary War.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:05:22am

As for printing guns, we’ll end up regulating particular plastics the same way we do fertilizer.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:05:43am

re: #213 Belafon

9th and 10th amendment, a favorite argument of theirs. And I believe the SCOTUS has ruled on the constitutionality of driving.

It has. They gradually moved from their position of the government cannot prevent you from pushing, pulling, dragging, or driving over the landscape without interference to the position of “cars in particular are causing increasing carnage in travel, so the government has an interest in writing regulations that protect other people’s rights.”

At least in theory the same arguments could be used for the II Amendment (and were until recently). Since the public at large has a right to live, the government has a legitimate interest in regulating the sale or training in guns (just as they argued with cars).

That article from the Oklahoma City University Law Review is a fascinating read on how the courts got from an individual absolute right to drive a car that was constitutionally protected to an absolute right to be protected from unsafe and unregulated auto drivers.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:07:55am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

The counter to that is “Well cars aren’t in the constitution and guns are.” I know it sounds radical but we really do need to consider when the 2nd was written. And I get that maybe that could set up a dangerous slope considering the 1st as well but whereas speech has merely taken on different forms, guns have gotten more deadly.

The other counter is the gun laws that have been upheld time and again. Very few gun laws get thrown out by the Federal courts when compared to how many held up.

Officially, we do have a contemporary reading on the 2nd. Heller. A historic, and controversial decision. So we have a clear path to regulation within the 2nd.

Not aimed at you, but at those who cry for a Constitutional convention. I see a severe need to show first and foremost how a bunch of legislators unable to get it done under the constitution can be trusted with a fundamental do over. Where is the necessary ethical balance and political competence? In a post Citizens V United nation?

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:08:50am

My son just posted this to his FB page:

Millions of people uprooted themselves and fled from their properties to avoid getting injured or killed by hurricane Harvey or Irma. Hundreds of millions of productive work hours set aside, to minimize human casualty.

One terrorist monster with an unchecked arsenal of weapons can wreak more death and havoc then the strongest hurricane to hit the US in one hundred years.

If it’s in our hands to minimize the death of human lives from the greatest force of nature, then it is in our hands to prevent, minimize any future mass shooting.

It’s in our hands if we have the will.

Heartbroken for Las Vegas and this American tragedy.

What happened in Vegas last night must not remain in Vegas.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:10:01am

re: #217 Unshaken Defiance

The other counter is the gun laws that have been upheld time and again. Very few gun laws get thrown out by the Federal courts when compared to how many held up.

Officially, we do have a contemporary reading on the 2nd. Heller. A historic, and controversial decision. So we have a clear path to regulation within the 2nd.

Not aimed at you, but at those who cry for a Constitutional convention. I see a severe need to show first and foremost how a bunch of legislators unable to get it done under the constitution can be trusted with a fundamental do over. Where is the necessary ethical balance and political competence? In a post Citizens V United nation?

I agree with you about the convention and legislators especially in the Post CU world. It’s honestly tough because people say they want things like universal background checks and things like that but when we actually vote, we’re easily riled by fear spread by the usual suspects.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:11:19am

— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 3, 2017

Pools: there are zoning laws about the fencing around pools, covers over pools, “attractive nuisance” principles in tort law… if somebody else’s kid dies in your pool, they get all your money.

Cars: seat belt laws, airbags, stricter drunk driving limits, new materials for windshields, guard rails and speed bumps in selected locations… the annual death toll from automobile-related deaths is down 40% from the 1960’s.

Cigarettes: OMG the RULES about cigarettes!! Where you can smoke, age limit to buy cigarettes, etc etc etc. Not in restaurants, nightclubs, schools, offices, Central Park. NYC now has entire apartment buildings that forbid smoking by anyone ever, even in their own home.

Alcohol: lots of rules about who, when and where. Also, the purveyor is allowed required to say “no, you have enough, I can’t sell you anymore” if he (in his sole judgment) believes you may be a danger to others.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:11:48am

I love it when our local creationist talks about confirmation bias.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:12:27am

re: #221 sagehen

Exactly. Those things are regulated. Dana’s full of you know what.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:13:45am

re: #217 Unshaken Defiance

Yeah, the Koch Brothers and fellow travellers are working toward an Article V convention.

There is nothing in the Constitution that limits what a convention could do once it’s called.

Right to vote based on land ownership or one-vote-per-dollar? Abortion rights gone? Jim Crow installed as part of the Constitution? Outlawing religious freedom except the correct religion? All would be on the table, and the extremists would dominate such a convention.

No thanks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:16:06am

re: #218 The Vicious Babushka

My son just posted this to his FB page:

(middle cut)

It’s in our hands if we have the will.

Heartbroken for Las Vegas and this American tragedy.

What happened in Vegas last night must not remain in Vegas.

You raised a thoughtful son. Bravo. You can tell him I said so. /s

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:20:23am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Exactly. Those things are regulated. Dana’s full of you know what.

Cattle kill more people here than cars, knives, or even guns. Let’s outlaw cattle in a county with half a million cattle and three thousand people.

Aside from the absurdity of that, we have regulations of freakin’ cattle. Where they can graze, what highway markings are required for open range, what marks are required on them to show ownership, &c &c &c.

Cattle are better regulated than guns.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:21:05am

re: #226 Anymouse 🌹

Cattle kill more people here than cars, knives, or even guns. Let’s outlaw cattle in a county with half a million cattle and three thousand people.

Aside from the absurdity of that, we have regulations of freakin’ cattle. Where they can graze, what highway markings are required for open range, what marks are required on them to show ownership, &c &c &c.

Cattle are better regulated than guns.

Yeppers.

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Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:24:18am

Dana Milbank column in language even Trump can understand.

See Rex.

Rex is a big dog. Rex is the top dog. Rex has a good job. Rex can fly! Rex has a jet. Fly, Rex, fly. Rex flies to other lands. Rex sits. Rex shakes. Rex speaks. When Rex speaks, Rex thinks he speaks for the U.S.A.

See Donald. Donald owns Rex. Rex is Donald’s dog. Donald is loud. Donald is big. Donald is bigger than Rex. Donald is mean to Rex. When Rex speaks, Donald tweets. Donald tweets like a bird. Tweet, Donald, tweet. Donald’s tweets hurt Rex. Donald says: Bad, Rex! Do not speak, Rex. Rex, you do not speak for the U.S.A. Only Donald speaks

Rex rolls over. Roll, Rex, roll. Good boy. Rex tells Donald he will not be a bad dog again. Rex tries. Rex tries hard. Rex tries very hard. But then Rex forgets. Rex thinks he speaks for the U.S.A. again. Donald gets mad again. Donald tweets again. Rex rolls over again.

Rex is so sad. Rex wants to cry. Rex was a big boss once. He dug for oil. Dig, Rex, dig. Rex made a lot of bones. But Donald said: Do not dig, Rex. Come be my dog.

So God told Rexxon his new job was to be Trump’s dog. He does make a good one.

washingtonpost.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:24:19am
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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:24:31am

re: #144 sizzzzlerz

As evil and horrendous as that is, the fact that 20 children and 6 adults died in a mass shooting in Sandy Hook just 5 years ago and we let the gun lobby and their congressional whores get away with doing nothing, nothing!, about it is where that evil line was crossed. When a people can witness the slaughter of 26 people in a place of learning and make absolutely no changes to gun laws is, in my mind, the beginning of the end.

We must not let that happen here. Where do good people stand up and say “Enough!”.

A lot of good people do stand up and say enough.

But it turns out…it is not enough.

We have a government that no longer represents the people. Gun control is a perfect example. Even Republican gun owners poll saying they are okay with some controls.

So who has control? Money. NRA. People that are not even voted into office. It’s been that way for too long.

Until the NRA has some power taken from it, this is the new normal. Who can stop the NRA? The people that apparently are fine with them and do not say enough.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:24:35am

There is no individual right in the second amendment. It is a false interpretation held in place by greed mongers, conspiracy theorists and religious fanatics.

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ObserverArt  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:25:13am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

When our last President showed emotion after Sandy Hook, the right wing bastards mocked him and others including people who have the current president’s ear suggested it was staged.

Onions.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:25:37am

The Last DJ - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, official video

During my brief foray into economics, my economics professor used this Petty song to explain an economic principle. Forgetting what but I was glad to hear it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:26:18am

Also, it’s pretty fucking sad that Late Night Comedians have become our nations conscience.

Not politicians, not the media, not business leaders.

Comedians.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:26:40am

re: #231 Amory Blaine

There is no individual right in the second amendment. It is a false interpretation held in place by greed mongers, conspiracy theorists and religious fanatics.

The Supreme Court has ruled there is. And that’s not going to change anytime soon.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:27:15am

Traveling Wilburys - Tweeter And The Monkey Man

This was one of my first favorite songs. I also liked Handle With Care. My Dad had a Wilburys cassette that we listened to a lot in the late 80’s and early 90’s.

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Unshaken Defiance  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:27:38am

This link provides a view of what any gun owner needs to know to come here.
oag.ca.gov

It’s a little unsettling that California has had to extend a registration period for guns a lot like those used in Vegas and San Bernardino. Because they could not set it up in a timely manner. January 1st was the deadline.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:28:44am

re: #234 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, it’s pretty fucking sad that Late Night Comedians have become our nations conscience.

Not politicians, not the media, not business leaders.

Comedians.

I never thought that Jimmy Kimmel would be a more eloquent speaker than POTUS. Now I always liked Jimmy but Jimmy was Ben Stein’s sidekick on Win Ben Stein’s money and the co-host of the Man Show. No diss on Jimmy meant but man it says something about him (good) and bad about our leaders.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:32:35am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:34:32am

re: #239 FormerDirtDart

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What’s happening to this country? We get furious at kneeling during the national anthem but this, this something out of a dictatorship doesn’t seem to bother people a damn.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:34:41am

re: #222 Belafon

I love it when our local creationist talks about confirmation bias.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:38:42am

re: #241 Anymouse 🌹

Sorry, a guy at work.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:39:19am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

What’s happening to this country? We get furious at kneeling during the national anthem but this, this something out of a dictatorship doesn’t seem to bother people a damn.

I doubt most people know what’s going on.

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freetoken  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:40:00am

re: #243 Belafon

I doubt most people know what’s going on.

Agree. Furthermore, I suspect many are intentionally trying to ignore what is going on.

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gwangung  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:40:03am

re: #243 Belafon

I doubt most people know what’s going on.

Moreover, they don’t care, if it happens to “those people.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:40:33am

re: #245 gwangung

Moreover, they don’t care, if it happens to “those people.”

Indifference. “I’m not an illegal so I don’t care.”

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:41:03am

re: #243 Belafon

I doubt most people know what’s going on.

True and if they do know, they just don’t seem to care because it’s not them or their family.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:42:03am

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I’m stupid. Maya Lin doesn’t really qualify as “guy,” eh?

Change that sentence above to “get the woman who designed the Vietnam Veterans Memorial.”

I remember the controversy about her selection to design the monument. One-third because she was a woman, two-thirds because she was Asian. The ratios are reversed depending on the forum.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:42:18am

re: #243 Belafon

I doubt most people know what’s going on.

Sort of like Nazi Germany, or the Soviet Eastern Bloc.

There is a difference today, as shown in the Women’s March and the March for Science: Today we have instant communications via the Internet.

Whilst the Internet has created a bunch of batshit insane crap, it also is a valuable tool for spreading truthful information and organising against injustice or oppression. (That latter part doesn’t get enough credit.)

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:42:42am

OT: at the post office for my interview. Ave Ceasar? ;)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:43:56am

re: #251 William Lewis

OT: at the post office for my interview. Ave Ceasar? ;)

Good luck with that. (We have a job opening at our post office if you want to move here, by the way.)

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:44:01am

I agree that a lot of people don’t want to know. But it took an FOIA to get this information. We’ll have to spread it. That’s what I meant about most people not knowing.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:44:07am
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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:45:51am

What new tragedy or destructive act of nature will we hear about today?

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:46:23am

Every congressional member who sent “thoughts and prayers” over Las Vegas and also took money from the NRA.

splinternews.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:46:59am

re: #247 Birth Control Works

For Baba:

These Insanely Gorgeous Pie Crusts Will Get You So Ready For Fall

There is a fine line between “artistic” pie crusts and “soft, flaky” pie crusts. I have found out that the more you manipulate the dough, the harder and tougher it gets. So yeah while those pie crusts might be pleasing to the eye, they are chewy.

At some point you have to decide if your pie is for eating or instagram.

That said, I’m going to order some nice pie dough cutters on Amazon.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:47:18am

re: #196 Citizen K

As Eddie Izzard said, “The NRA says ‘guns don’t kill, people do’, but I think the gun helps.”

The point isn’t ‘blaming the tool’, it’s that said tool in the hands of the wrong people makes a dangerous situation deadly, and makes a deadly situation into a potential massacre. It’s a catalyst, and it literally has no other purpose than to damage and maim things. There’s no other use for a gun than to shoot things with the intent to kill.

As a point:

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Citizens can own/use firearms. Only the Military can own/use weapons.

I don’t know the history of this, but it was taught at the Firearm’s Safety Course I attended.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:49:21am

re: #257 The Vicious Babushka

There is a fine line between “artistic” pie crusts and “soft, flaky” pie crusts. I have found out that the more you manipulate the dough, the harder and tougher it gets. So yeah while those pie crusts might be pleasing to the eye, they are chewy.

At some point you have to decide if your pie is for eating or instagram.

That said, I’m going to order some nice pie dough cutters on Amazon.

Yes, it’s the same with Pasta Dough. The less manipulation the better!

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:50:14am

re: #258 Birth Control Works

Citizens can own/use firearms. Only the Military can own/use weapons.

I don’t know the history of this, but it was taught at the Firearm’s Safety Course I attended.

I hope someone pointed out that it was a distinction without a difference.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:51:12am

re: #260 Citizen K

I hope someone pointed out that it was a distinction without a difference.

I think weapons include tanks and flame throwers and such.

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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:52:14am

re: #261 Birth Control Works

I think weapons include tanks and flame throwers and such.

But where does a ‘firearm’ fail to be a ‘weapon’, exactly?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:52:29am

re: #260 Citizen K

I hope someone pointed out that it was a distinction without a difference.

It reminds me of when DF would get pedantic about differences between weapons. I admit that I’m no firearms expert but some of the stuff he would get pedantic about in discussion in regards to them really bugged me. I think talking down to people who may not have an encyclopedic knowledge of guns and how they work really distracts from the real issue at hand which is reducing gun violence.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:53:14am

re: #261 Birth Control Works

I think weapons include tanks and flame throwers and such.

Way I would see it is this. All guns are weapons but not all weapons are guns.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:55:05am

re: #261 Birth Control Works

I think weapons include tanks and flame throwers and such.

Flamethrowers and tanks are legal to own in most states. (Firing a tank, not so much. Flamethrowers are mostly unregulated, and you can buy them on-line.)

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:56:44am
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Nyet  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:57:37am

The neo-Nazi still up, so more reporting material (racial hatred or targeted harassment, your choice).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:57:51am

The other big fallacy I see is to attack liberal cities like Chicago and Washington for their gun laws and use them as “proof” gun laws don’t work while ignoring that those cities are very near two states with lax gun laws. Our states aren’t vacuums. 48/50 are connected in some way or form.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:59:01am

re: #267 Nyet

The neo-Nazi still up, so more reporting material (racial hatred or targeted harassment, your choice).

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:59:04am

re: #259 Birth Control Works

Yes, it’s the same with Pasta Dough. The less manipulation the better!

Anyway I can’t roll pie crust while sitting so I can only make graham cracker crusts. Which is OK because Zedu’s favorite pie is Key Lime!

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 8:59:57am
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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:00:02am
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dangerman  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:00:30am

Yesterday was…interesting and distressing.

So many moving parts.
the initial horror, the lies, the spin, the false information
the ensuing discussions about things that matter, and at the same time don’t.
tom petty on the edge of forever

today i took the morning off. ran, (showered), made a ton of oatmeal, read a book

for the rest of the day i will do two things

- remember and be grateful for the miracle of my continued singular existence
- make the lives of some other people a bit better

be back tomorrow

ps Toni is back home. She writes:

I know this bump in tbe road, too, will pass. I take deep breaths, and I will NEVER stop fighting!

Thank you, Stuart, for the beautiful memories you shared. Thank you for the love and friendship we share. Thank you for sharing Zeus and Little Charlie the Wonder Dog.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:01:19am
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Archangelus  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:01:29am

Maybe it’s because I really needed a laugh at the end of a long tiring day, but stumbling upon this had me cracking up way too much..

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:01:59am
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Citizen K  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:02:20am

re: #268 HappyWarrior

The other big fallacy I see is to attack liberal cities like Chicago and Washington for their gun laws and use them as “proof” gun laws don’t work while ignoring that those cities are very near two states with lax gun laws. Our states aren’t vacuums. 48/50 are connected in some way or form.

To that, I provide this:

And the article sourcing both those charts: America’s gun problem, explained

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:03:41am
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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:05:06am

re: #262 Citizen K

But where does a ‘firearm’ fail to be a ‘weapon’, exactly?

It doesn’t.

Again, I don’t understand.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:05:24am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:05:39am

I hate being right:

So yeah, after the initial disbelief (“No way he could have bought all those legally!”), now the narrative is shifting (“Those guns were totally legal, showing gun laws don’t work!”).

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:05:55am
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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:06:07am

re: #270 The Vicious Babushka

Anyway I can’t roll pie crust while sitting so I can only make graham cracker crusts. Which is OK because Zedu’s favorite pie is Key Lime!

I knew he was a good guy!

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:06:35am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:07:05am

re: #274 Ace-o-aces

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Go fuck yourself Steve.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:07:38am

re: #282 Targetpractice

I hate being right:

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So yeah, after the initial disbelief (“No way he could have bought all those legally!”), now the narrative is shifting (“Those guns were totally legal, showing gun laws don’t work!”).

Yes, they were legal. That’s the fucking problem you nitwits.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:08:11am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:08:53am

re: #279 Ace-o-aces

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We’re not more defenseless with gun control but keep on telling yourself NRA fantasies like “Good guys with guns will always stop bad guys with guns” if it makes you feel better.

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:09:31am

re: #282 Targetpractice

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:09:41am

re: #288 Anymouse 🌹

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If it is deficits, she’s note ven GOP anymore since the Trump admin admitted that they don’t care. Didn’t like Jen in the Obama years but she’s been consistently anti-Trump and I respect that.

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I cannot.  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:10:15am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:10:17am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:10:46am

re: #290 Ace-o-aces

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Where’s Margie to tell Lou that she doesn’t agree with his police work. I mean yeah they were legal. Maybe that’s a fucking problem. Guy buys 23 weapons like this and it’s legal? That’s a problem.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:11:07am

re: #293 Anymouse 🌹

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Touche!

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:12:00am

He’s being an idiot in PR right now.

gah

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:12:02am

re: #292 I cannot.

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Yeah, that’s been the talking point since yesterday, the idea that most of the deaths were due to trampling, thus the shooter didn’t “really” kill 59 people.

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Birth Control Works  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:12:51am

re: #297 Targetpractice

Yeah, that’s been the talking point since yesterday, the idea that most of the deaths were due to trampling, thus the shooter didn’t “really” kill 59 people.

I wonder if there is a category in the FBI database for “trampling?”

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:14:54am

re: #294 HappyWarrior

Where’s Margie to tell Lou that she doesn’t agree with his police work. I mean yeah they were legal. Maybe that’s a fucking problem. Guy buys 23 weapons like this and it’s legal? That’s a problem.

Many people in my town own more than one gun (various type of hunting weapons, target shooting, &c) - there are many more guns here than people. I don’t necessarily consider that a problem with the people here, but this is a deeply rural area, not Las Vegas.

The only person here who owns an arsenal of weapons is the gun shop owner (well, because he owns all the guns in the shop.)

I am probably the most lightly armed person here with one shotgun.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:15:14am
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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:16:02am

re: #274 Ace-o-aces

I have found that almost all of the “antifa” Twitter accounts are actually wingnut trolls.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:16:23am
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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:16:58am

re: #263 HappyWarrior

It reminds me of when DF would get pedantic about differences between weapons. I admit that I’m no firearms expert but some of the stuff he would get pedantic about in discussion in regards to them really bugged me. I think talking down to people who may not have an encyclopedic knowledge of guns and how they work really distracts from the real issue at hand which is reducing gun violence.

I saw that garbage happen, and IMO it was always a deliberate deflection. Every moment spent parsing arcane gun technicalities is a distraction from the need to get something done about guns.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:17:14am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:17:48am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

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Situations like this are why I’d never make it as an elected official. I’d tell him, “Go fuck yourself” and then walk away.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:17:57am

re: #301 The Vicious Babushka

I have found that almost all of the “antifa” Twitter accounts are actually wingnut trolls.

And Twitter is very slow to remove them on people reporting them for violations of terms of service.

Pretty much as if Twitter values Nazis, trolls, death threats, &c, unless you are an extremely valuable commodity (like Leslie Jones). Only then do you matter.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:17:57am

re: #303 EPR-radar

I saw that garbage happen, and IMO it was always a deliberate deflection. Every moment spent parsing arcane gun technicalities is a distraction from the need to get something done about guns.

Always annoyed the living fuck out of me. I’ll admit it. I don’t understand guns that well but I know why these weapons exist. They’re created to fire fast for a reason.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:18:28am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Indifference. “I’m not an illegal so I don’t care.”

First they came for …

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:18:57am

re: #305 Dr Lizardo

Situation like this are why I’d never make it as an elected official. I’d tell him, “Go fuck yourself” and then walk away.

Yep. After the trashing he and his supporters have done of her. Along with spreading lies about her. I wouldn’t give him the photo-op he wanted.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:19:15am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:19:51am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

Puerto Rico ordered up two hurricanes to foul up the Republican budget. They should feel bad.

Perhaps Mayor Cruz would like to run for President?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:20:03am

re: #308 Eventual Carrion

First they came for …

I actually saw the concentration camp where the author of that poem was held this summer. Really, really moving but as I’ve told Lizardom befoer, the most disturbing part of that visit wasn’t the remains of the crematorium, it was the SS officers’ houses not even a mile from the camp. That’s going to stay with me the rest of my life.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:20:55am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:22:08am

And I know they’re going to say “Oh he was just joking” but you knwo what, it’s a stupid thing ot joke about.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:23:14am

He’s fucking insane

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plansbandc  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:23:50am

re: #247 Birth Control Works

Truly works of art. Impressive!

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CongoJack  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:24:14am

re: #315 Stanley Sea

Christ.

I have no other words.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:25:48am

re: #303 EPR-radar

I saw that garbage happen, and IMO it was always a deliberate deflection. Every moment spent parsing arcane gun technicalities is a distraction from the need to get something done about guns.

Yup. And that whinge from the NRA about “discrimination against firearms owners for calling them weapons?” You know what, you can kill a soldier with a civilian firearm. It’s not even a distinction without a difference, “firearm” is a subset of “weapon.”

I wonder if the dead police officer, five wounded police officers, the dead Army veteran, and others killed, wounded, and traumatised in the Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting were trying to decide whether they were being killed or injured with a “weapon” or a “firearm.”

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:27:21am
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sagehen  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:27:28am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

If it is deficits, she’s note ven GOP anymore since the Trump admin admitted that they don’t care. Didn’t like Jen in the Obama years but she’s been consistently anti-Trump and I respect that.

She’s a 1978 Republican; still believes in everything that was party orthodoxy then.

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Archangelus  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:29:36am

re: #282 Targetpractice

I hate being right:

[Embedded content]

So yeah, after the initial disbelief (“No way he could have bought all those legally!”), now the narrative is shifting (“Those guns were totally legal, showing gun laws don’t work!”).

As I wrote elsewhere, would these treasonous hypocrites be going along with the same “perfectly legal” argument if the shooter’s first name was Muhammad? I’m thinking not….

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:29:50am

re: #302 FormerDirtDart

He said this, too.

Trump could not say the right thing if his life depended on it.

PS Stanley Sea got there before me.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:30:39am

re: #283 FormerDirtDart

[Embedded content]

“Sometimes a building that has a face-like upper room on a vertical trunk-like element standing on two leg-like columns and support beams resembling arms attached firmly to a lower more horizontal building on four leg-like columns with a forward room resembling an O-face is just a building that has a face-like upper room on a vertical trunk-like element standing on two leg-like columns and support beams resembling arms attached firmly to a lower more horizontal building on four leg-like columns with a forward room resembling an O-face”

~Sigmund Freud

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:30:48am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

I actually saw the concentration camp where the author of that poem was held this summer. Really, really moving but as I’ve told Lizardom befoer, the most disturbing part of that visit wasn’t the remains of the crematorium, it was the SS officers’ houses not even a mile from the camp. That’s going to stay with me the rest of my life.

And the deniers always claim that the SS officers housing compound with all its amenities was for the prisoners.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:31:29am
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Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:31:47am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:33:01am

re: #321 Archangelus

As I wrote elsewhere, would these treasonous hypocrites be going along with the same “perfectly legal” argument if the shooter’s first name was Muhammad? I’m thinking not….

I tweeted just now that racists fear violence by PoC, but when a white guy opens fire on a crowd of mostly white people it’s completely different. Don’t fear the white man with the automatic weapons, fear the 13-year-old AA boy with a bag of groceries.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:33:14am

How does this even come up?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:34:04am

re: #315 Stanley Sea

He’s fucking insane

[Embedded content]

Oh fuck you Donald.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:34:14am

re: #282 Targetpractice

I hate being right:

[Embedded content]

So yeah, after the initial disbelief (“No way he could have bought all those legally!”), now the narrative is shifting (“Those guns were totally legal, showing gun laws don’t work!”).

That all of the guns were legal gets right to the heart of the fucking problem.

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Archangelus  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:35:01am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart

Not only that, but “cutting the price very substantially” WAS something that another administration (Obama) did…
The guy’s freaking insane. I don’t know how those closest to him can even keep going along with it anymore…

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:35:22am

re: #323 Barefoot Grin

“Sometimes a building that has a face-like upper room on a vertical trunk-like element standing on two leg-like columns and support beams resembling arms attached firmly to a lower more horizontal building on four leg-like columns with a forward room resembling an O-face is just a building that has a face-like upper room on a vertical trunk-like element standing on two leg-like columns and support beams resembling arms attached firmly to a lower more horizontal building on four leg-like columns with a forward room resembling an O-face”

~Sigmund Freud

What would he make of this?

CCTV building, Beijing
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:35:39am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart

How does this even come up?

[Embedded content]

God does he ever know how to shut up and stay on point. I have ADD too but I didn’t go off on tangents like this when I gave my Nana and grandfather’s eulogies.

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CongoJack  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:35:57am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart

Holy shit. The military bought and incorporated Wonder Woman’s invisible plane into service.

Seriously tRump has lost his damn mind (or never had it).

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:36:27am

re: #332 wheat-dogg

What would he make of this?

[Embedded content]

Heaven’s Gate? (That’s a cool structure, by the way.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:36:51am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:37:40am

re: #334 CongoJack

Holy shit. The military bought and incorporated Wonder Woman’s invisible plane into service.

Seriously tRump has lost his damn mind (or never had it).

I’m wondering what Melania is thinking as she sits next to this babbling baboon.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:37:42am

re: #334 CongoJack

Holy shit. The military bought and incorporated Wonder Woman’s invisible plane into service.

Seriously tRump has lost his damn mind (or never had it).

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:39:14am

re: #131 Shropshire Slasher

What if the people who received the pardons didn’t accept them?

They go to jail.

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Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:39:34am

re: #337 wheat-dogg

I’m wondering what Melania is thinking as she sits next to this babbling baboon.

She’s calculating how much she’s going to get when he dies.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:40:11am

re: #335 Barefoot Grin

Heaven’s Gate? (That’s a cool structure, by the way.)

Beijingers call it “Big Underpants.”

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Archangelus  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:40:25am
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CongoJack  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:40:53am

re: #338 FormerDirtDart

Doesn’t the F-35 also have a pilot issue where oxygen wouldn’t reach the pilot and they would pass out during flight? If memory serves President BO tried to kill the F-35 because it was a money pit but Boehner didn’t allow it through congress because the engine was made in his district.

Fuck Boehner - he created this and he is likely to get a walk on it all.

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William Lewis  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:41:03am

That went well. Now I just have to wait on an overworked and understaffed HR department.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:41:08am

re: #326 Skip Intro

Trump on Puerto Rico: “On a local level, they have to give us more help.”

(via White House pool) pic.twitter.com

— Sahil Kapur

What the whut?

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:41:32am

re: #337 wheat-dogg

I’m wondering what Melania is thinking as she sits next to this babbling baboon.

$$$$$$

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:42:11am

re: #288 Anymouse 🌹

The president who trashed civil discourse doesn’t get to determine the etiquette for addressing delicate topics.
— Jennifer Rubin

I see no lies here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:42:24am

With all the crap happening Sunday, Wonkette reminds that Sunday was President Jimmy Carter’s birthday.

wonkette.com

Published on Monday, it starts:

Yesterday was Jimmy Carter’s 93rd birthday. (Peace be upon him.) He celebrated it by teaching Sunday school at his church in Plains, Georgia, as he does most Sundays. He didn’t go on Twitter to tell the world what a great Sunday school teacher he is, and he says maybe now that he’s 93, he and Rosalynn might start thinking about putting in fewer hours at the Carter Center, just a little bit. At least, the subject has come up:

“We thought about this when I was 80. We thought about it again when I was 85; we thought about it again when I was 90. So this is a propitious time I think for us to carry out our long-delayed plans.”

Or maybe he’ll wait until the Guinea Worm, a nasty parasite the Carter Center has been trying to send into extinction, is finally eradicated.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:42:31am

re: #340 Skip Intro

She’s calculating how much she’s going to get when he dies.

Good luck with that, Mel. He’ll die in debt the estate will need to pay, and anyway, I bet his kids will get most of the estate. Maybe her prenup will keep her comfortable post-Donald.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:43:43am

re: #326 Skip Intro

Fringe pro-Trump media invented a Puerto Rican trucker strike. Trump just complained about Puerto Rican truckers:
— Daniel Dale

Invisible planes, invisible trucker strikes….

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:44:09am

re: #344 William Lewis

That went well. Now I just have to wait on an overworked and understaffed HR department.

Now you know my pain. Went in for an interview two weeks ago, did a follow-up interview last Monday with the general manager where I submitted a sample for a drug test, and I was just told yesterday that it probably won’t be until sometime tomorrow when they’ll know the final results of the background check on me.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:44:40am

re: #349 wheat-dogg

Good luck with that, Mel. He’ll die in debt the estate will need to pay, and anyway, I bet his kids will get most of the estate. Maybe her prenup will keep her comfortable post-Donald.

Can’t wait to see the Melania vs Ivanka/Junior/Eric court feuds.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:44:41am

re: #348 Anymouse 🌹

With all the crap happening Sunday, Wonkette reminds that Sunday was President Jimmy Carter’s birthday.

wonkette.com

Published on Monday, it starts:

The Carters are as tough as Queen Liz — seemingly immortal.

That’s the kind of old age I aspire to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:45:16am

re: #350 Sir John Barron

Invisible planes, invisible trucker strikes….

see-through border wall…

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Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:45:18am

re: #349 wheat-dogg

I’m sure she’s working on ways to completely cut them out, just like they’re doing to Tiffany.

I look forward to him dying just to see the shitshow over his estate.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:45:41am

re: #352 Sir John Barron

Can’t wait to see the Melania vs Ivanka/Junior/Eric court feuds.

It’ll be ugly, to be sure. Fighting over the scraps of The Donald’s over-leveraged estate.

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:46:21am

re: #258 Birth Control Works

Citizens can own/use firearms. Only the Military can own/use weapons.

I don’t know the history of this, but it was taught at the Firearm’s Safety Course I attended.

I’m willing to bet this was an NRA firearms safety course. Denial of the self-evident fact that guns are weapons is part of their incessant propaganda campaign.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:46:31am

In his ranting presser, Shitler actually said not many people have heard of a Category 5 storm before one hit PR.

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:47:02am

re: #352 Sir John Barron

Can’t wait to see the Melania vs Ivanka/Junior/Eric court feuds.

Considering the way Ivana’s little vipers are working to move Tiffany out of the will, I suspect Melania and Barron will be lucky if they get enough to pay the bills Donald leaves behind.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:49:59am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:50:12am

re: #282 Targetpractice

now the narrative is shifting (“Those guns were totally legal, showing gun laws don’t work!”).

“Because we already have incredibly restrictive gun laws and no gun zones and still this guy legally bought 40 guns…”

/

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:51:12am

re: #356 wheat-dogg

It’ll be ugly, to be sure. Fighting over the scraps of The Donald’s over-leveraged estate.

I’m rooting for Tiffany

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:52:09am
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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:52:33am

re: #359 Targetpractice

Considering the way Ivana’s little vipers are working to move Tiffany out of the will, I suspect Melania and Barron will be lucky if they get enough to pay the bills Donald leaves behind.

TBH, she’d be better off divorcing the shlub now than waiting until he kicks the bucket.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:53:22am

re: #358 Dr. Matt

In his ranting presser, Shitler actually said not many people have heard of a Category 5 storm before one hit PR.

Might ask the folks about Hurricanes Camille or Andrew.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:54:11am

re: #282 Targetpractice

“It was a perfectly legitimate massacre.”

/

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Archangelus  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:54:20am

re: #362 Sir John Barron

I’m rooting for Tiffany

Think it’s safe to say most of the world is rooting for Tiffany at this stage…

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I cannot.  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:54:47am

re: #358 Dr. Matt

I shouldn’t be surprised at this shit anymore, but yet, he still manages to find a way.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:54:51am

re: #354 Backwoods_Sleuth

see-through border wall…

Soon they may propose an invisible fence; then they just have to convince all Mexicans to wear shock collars.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:55:34am

From Think Progress. Haven’t read, but someone requested.

United States rejects UN resolution condemning use of death penalty for LGBTQ people

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:55:39am

re: #369 Big Beautiful Door

Soon they may propose an invisible fence; then they just have to convince all Mexicans to wear shock collars.

Like in the move Running Man.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:56:00am

re: #328 FormerDirtDart

How does this even come up?

Trump has zero empathy. He can fake it when he needs to rile someone up, but he can’t actually talk to people about their problems.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:59:21am
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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 9:59:51am

He’s so fat/self conscious that he’s wearing a jacket in sweltering PR.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:00:38am
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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:01:22am

Hello all.


I always considered Tom to be a class act, and a fantastic songwriter. Him and Mike Campbell complimented each other so well. Masters of understatement.Tom Petty was one of the best rhythm guitarists I ever heard and his leads were spot on.

Here’s a video with Howie Epstein and David Grohl on drums that IMHO sums up the power this band had. From Wildflowers, which I think is one of his best works.
Video is tilted so it can get around copyright (says poster).
This is a band taking the stage completely over and strutting.
They kill it.
My old band did a cover of this and I loved to play it.
It’s just rock and roll.
One more gone.
Like a newborn baby it just happens every day.
Damn it.

Tom Petty - Honey Bee (SNL 1994)

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:01:30am

re: #340 Skip Intro

She’s calculating how much she’s going to get when he dies.

Probably just a token gift or whatever is stipulated in the pre-nup.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:01:33am

re: #364 wheat-dogg

TBH, she’d be better off divorcing the shlub now than waiting until he kicks the bucket.

And making a zillion dollars off a tell-all.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:02:31am

re: #378 Stanley Sea

And making a zillion dollars off a tell-all.

Trump would have ICE kick her out of the country for immigration violations when she was a model.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:03:04am
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:03:09am

re: #337 wheat-dogg

I’m wondering what Melania is thinking as she sits next to this babbling baboon.

More fried chicken, then soon.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:03:21am

“In many ways a miracle?” Okay, I don’t use this much:

WTF???

His mind is not just seemingly unmoored from reality, it appears to have sunk at the dock.

I really don’t get the GOP: They can have everything they want with Mike Pence. He’s about as conservative and as theocratic as they come, understands the government process including moving bills through the system, and is well-liked by much of their caucus.

Why is the GOP hanging on to Trump in this condition? Are they that afraid of his supporters? Are they that cowardly and craven?

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austin_blue  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:04:29am

re: #343 CongoJack

Doesn’t the F-35 also have a pilot issue where oxygen wouldn’t reach the pilot and they would pass out during flight? If memory serves President BO tried to kill the F-35 because it was a money pit but Boehner didn’t allow it through congress because the engine was made in his district.

Fuck Boehner - he created this and he is likely to get a walk on it all.

That was the F-22.

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Interesting Times  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:04:31am

Wow. Just saw this via a friend’s FB page (emphasis mine):

“Sorry America. Your 2nd amendment is killing you, and your gun toting culture is pathetic. It’s incredible that your “President” posts a ban on visitors from other countries. More Americans have died at the hands of its own people than any terrorist.

Do what you do best. Point the finger at other countries, and point the gun at yourself. The 2nd Amendment may as well be called the Suicide Amendment.

Nail, head, hit.

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danarchy  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:05:36am

re: #352 Sir John Barron

Can’t wait to see the Melania vs Ivanka/Junior/Eric court feuds.

Hey don’t forget Barron and Tiffany

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:07:01am

re: #364 wheat-dogg

TBH, she’d be better off divorcing the shlub now than waiting until he kicks the bucket.

I would bet that her pre-nup stipulates that only he is allowed to initiate divorce proceedings but she can’t.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:07:27am

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Idiot. Fucking idiot.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:07:40am

re: #382 Anymouse 🌹

I think they’re genuinely afraid of Trump’s MAGAtards. If they move to impeach and remove him from office, they’re finished politically - at least, that’s their thinking.

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Skip Intro  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:08:11am

re: #385 danarchy

Hey don’t forget Barron and Tiffany

And Ivana and Marla. They’ll have their snouts in the trough as well.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:08:39am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

I would bet that her pre-nup stipulates that only he is allowed to initiate divorce proceedings but she can’t.

How very wahhabi-like

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:08:50am
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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:09:08am

re: #382 Anymouse 🌹

“In many ways a miracle?” Okay, I don’t use this much:

WTF???

His mind is not just seemingly unmoored from reality, it appears to have sunk at the dock.

I really don’t get the GOP: They can have everything they want with Mike Pence. He’s about as conservative and as theocratic as they come, understands the government process including moving bills through the system, and is well-liked by much of their caucus.

Why is the GOP hanging on to Trump in this condition? Are they that afraid of his supporters? Are they that cowardly and craven?

Trump is much more popular with the GOP Base than they are. If they removed him, it could blow up the GOP.

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:09:20am

re: #378 Stanley Sea

And making a zillion dollars off a tell-all.

Nope, she signed a NDA for all eternity.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:10:37am

re: #391 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

No we did the total opposite. And we took means to prevent hijackings from happening again. But somehow we can’t do that with guns because we got too many damn people in this country who worship the damn things.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:11:30am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:11:37am

I’m seeing a lot of flags flying at half mast today.

I honestly think they should be flying upside down because we are, at this moment, most definitely a nation in distress.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:12:13am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:12:56am

re: #386 The Vicious Babushka

I would bet that her pre-nup stipulates that only he is allowed to initiate divorce proceedings but she can’t.

I’m not sure that would be legal. US law states such an agreement cannot be unconscionable (signing away your rights would qualify under that), and must be executed by both parties (not their attorneys).

Even if everything is fine with a pre-nuptial aggrement, a court can set it aside for any number of reasons.

I suspect if there is some sort of pre-nuptial agreement there, it would still be a crapfest in court (maybe a bigger one).

On the other hand, a lot of both Mrs. Trump’s and the GOP’s problems might be solved by Mr. Trump’s less-than-healthy eating habits and such.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:13:04am
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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:13:20am

re: #376 nines09

Hello all.

I always considered Tom to be a class act, and a fantastic songwriter. Him and Mike Campbell complimented each other so well. Masters of understatement.Tom Petty was one of the best rhythm guitarists I ever heard and his leads were spot on.

Here’s a video with Howie Epstein and David Grohl on drums that IMHO sums up the power this band had. From Wildflowers, which I think is one of his best works.
Video is tilted so it can get around copyright (says poster).
This is a band taking the stage completely over and strutting.
They kill it.
My old band did a cover of this and I loved to play it.
It’s just rock and roll.
One more gone.
Like a newborn baby it just happens every day.
Damn it.

Great clip, Nines.

TP actually asked Grohl to join the Heartbreakers after Kurt died. Dave had other plans, but Steve Ferrone stepped in and became as much a Heartbreaker as Stan Lynch (my first choice for HB drummer, but you can’t have everything.

And the Heartbreakers as a band completely understood the concept of restraint - when to use it and when to toss it off, like in that clip.

I’ll miss the man, and I’ll miss the band. Irreplaceable.

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danarchy  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:13:26am

re: #389 Skip Intro

And Ivana and Marla. They’ll have their snouts in the trough as well.

I think it would be pretty hard for either of them to make a legitimate claim at this point. They have been divorced for a long time and already have their settlements. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t try, but their best bet is to hope their kids are generous.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:13:33am

re: #13 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

for me no loss of a musician has ever hurt as much as john lennon getting shot in 1980

All gods curse Mark David Chapman.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:14:54am

re: #397 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Family values and pro-life party still at work.

Holding nine million children hostage is a death cult.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:15:13am

re: #364 wheat-dogg

TBH, she’d be better off divorcing the shlub now than waiting until he kicks the bucket.

I wonder how much she could charge for an NDA…

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:16:08am

re: #400 makeitstop

Great clip, Nines.

TP actually asked Grohl to join the Heartbreakers after Kurt died. Dave had other plans, but Steve Ferrone stepped in and became as much a Heartbreaker as Stan Lynch (my first choice for HB drummer, but you can’t have everything.

And the Heartbreakers as a band completely understood the concept of restraint - when to use it and when to toss it off, like in that clip.

I’ll miss the man, and I’ll miss the band. Irreplaceable.

The first time I heard “Breakdown” in high school I flipped. That cool, sly opening and then the build-up to chorus, the harmonies—all of it in one song. Far from the only one on that album, but I was hooked from the first guitar part.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:16:26am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Yeah Bryan. Because people should have guns at concerts and can shoot 33 floors up. Just shut the fuck up for once.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:16:55am

The weapon with the bump stock also has a Surefire 100rd magazine in it

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:17:25am

re: #382 Anymouse 🌹

Trump is necessary to appease the populist, paranoid part of the base who don’t actually have policy goals, and need to be constantly stimulated with outrage and trolling.

After cultivating this trend for decades, they’re now dependent on this group, and Trump is better at manipulating the former than they are. Trump has one card to play—blow up the GOP coalition—but it’s a big one.

Not that they’re actually winning by maintaining this arrangement. The “sensible” plutocrat types are being marginalized in favor of more aggressive hucksterism and even the occasional sincere reactionary demagogue.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:18:12am

re: #407 FormerDirtDart

The weapon with the bump stock also has a Surefire 100rd magazine in it

[Embedded content]

Now can someone tell me please why a civilian should be able to own these let alone 23 of them? Bullshit that nothing could have stopped this. Sensible gun laws would have.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:19:58am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:20:21am

Another unfortunate add to my collection of newspapers and magazines chronicling major events in North American and world history.

Hopefully future generations of the family will appreciate my work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:20:25am
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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:20:32am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

headdesk

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:21:11am

re: #408 The Ghost of a Flea

Trump is necessary to appease the populist, paranoid part of the base who don’t actually have policy goals, and need to be constantly stimulated with outrage and trolling.

After cultivating this trend for decades, they’re now dependent on this group, and Trump is better at manipulating the former than they are. Trump has one card to play—blow up the GOP coalition—but it’s a big one.

Not that they’re actually winning by maintaining this arrangement. The “sensible” plutocrat types are being marginalized in favor of more aggressive hucksterism and even the occasional sincere reactionary demagogue.

One wonders how much the GOP’s big donors are going to put up with this (I understand the Kochs and a number of Texas high-dollar donors have had enough). They don’t get their tax cuts and business considerations when the GOP constantly focuses on religious and social issues.

I can see them saying “How bout it Libertarians?” David Koch ran as a Libertarian VP candidate… .

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:21:16am

re: #407 FormerDirtDart

The weapon with the bump stock also has a Surefire 100rd magazine in it

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Bump stocks are legal right?

They should just start there.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:22:12am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

Completely contradicted by people at the scene. And no telling how many people in the hotel would have been injured or died had people used their weapons, and then how many people would have been killed by police thinking they’re the shooter.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:23:05am

re: #405 Barefoot Grin

The first time I heard “Breakdown” in high school I flipped. That cool, sly opening and then the build-up to chorus, the harmonies—all of it in one song. Far from the only one on that album, but I was hooked from the first guitar part.

I’ve been hearing a live version where he sneaks in a chorus from ‘Hit the Road, Jack.’

They also had a respect and knowledge of - and reverence for - the great music that came before them. More rare than ever nowadays.

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electrotek  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:23:08am

Oh my God, from someone I thought was level headed:

Him: No matter how you regulate guns, you can never stop a lone wolf attack of any kind. It’s a tragedy. Bad shit happens everyday. This shouldn’t be dismissed, but you can’t just say oh guns is to blame. Was a pressure cooker responsible for the Boston bombings?

Me: Guns are specifically designed to kill.

Him: So are bombs and there are many house hold items one can use to make one.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:23:32am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:23:48am

re: #409 HappyWarrior

Now can someone tell me please why a civilian should be able to own these let alone 23 of them? Bullshit that nothing could have stopped this. Sensible gun laws would have.

If the Sandy Hook Massacre didn’t change anyone’s minds, nothing will.

As horrific as it might’ve been to do, perhaps the authorities should’ve released uncensored crime scene photos. That might jolt a few consciences. Just like how Emmett Till’s mother insisted on an open-casket funeral service and let the press take photos. She wanted to show the world what had been done to her son.

Or more likely than not it would send the wingnuts and the gun fanatics into an absolute meltdown…..not that they’d be horrified, mind you, but only because they’d know how damaging such photos would be to them.

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:24:22am

Maybe his bank account hit zero

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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:24:38am

re: #418 electrotek

Oh my God, from someone I thought was level headed:

Did they pull out the hoary “cars can be used in attacks too!” talking point as well?

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:25:04am

re: #418 electrotek

Oh my God, from someone I thought was level headed:

But we don’t make it easy to make a bomb. And if someone did, and authorities found out about it, they would be arrested BEFORE they could use it.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:25:39am

re: #418 electrotek

Oh my God, from someone I thought was level headed:

I’m a little surprised how quickly the narrative has shifted from “Has to be Illegal Immigrant or Muslim or Antif G-damn the Left” to “What a tragedy, oh well, can’t do anything about it.”

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:26:04am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:26:23am

re: #418 electrotek

Oh my God, from someone I thought was level headed:

Back to “No matter how you regulate murder or rape, you can never stop murder or rape, therefore we should have no regulations about murder or rape.”

Laws exist to punish anti-social behaviour. Absolutely regulations that are well-considered over guns will punish anti-social behaviour, and over time will change behaviour (in the same manner stiffer drunk drive laws reduced drunken driving).

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:27:00am

re: #421 Stanley Sea

Maybe his bank account hit zero

Um…

Guess he wasn’t hurting for money. Maybe he withdrew all his 401k?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:28:43am

re: #414 Anymouse 🌹

One wonders how much the GOP’s big donors are going to put up with this (I understand the Kochs and a number of Texas high-dollar donors have had enough). They don’t get their tax cuts and business considerations when the GOP constantly focuses on religious and social issues.

I can see them saying “How bout it Libertarians?” David Koch ran as a Libertarian VP candidate… .

Apparently the Kochs have closed the funding tap until taxes and insurance are done the way they want.

But there’s a lot of right-wing millionaires that put their emphasis on the social issues and the monetary ones, because they built an entirely new “conservative Christianity” where their venality is pious, but everybody else deserves suffering. Those folks are doubtless doing some kind of cost/benefit analysis, but they seem to be playing a longer, permanently-alter-the-nature-of-the-US-state game.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:29:07am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:30:47am

re: #429 lawhawk

He thought he was making a clever joke.

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:30:56am

re: #429 lawhawk

[Pres. Trump in Puerto Rico: “I hate to tell you, Puerto Rico, but you’ve thrown our budget a little out of whack.”]

Some say life is priceless, but Trump needs a bottom line figure.

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electrotek  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:31:11am

re: #422 TedStriker

Did they pull out the hoary “cars can be used in attacks too!” talking point as well?

Someone else did in another post of mine last night.

I’ve brought out the gun lovers to a frenzy with my FB posts lol

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bratwurst  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:31:24am
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danarchy  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:32:48am

re: #427 Sir John Barron

Um…

Guess he wasn’t hurting for money. Maybe he withdrew all his 401k?

Supposedly he was a multimillionaire from real estate. Of course he could have pissed that all away in the casinos, I suspect we will learn that in the next few days.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:34:28am

re: #400 makeitstop

Great clip, Nines.

TP actually asked Grohl to join the Heartbreakers after Kurt died. Dave had other plans, but Steve Ferrone stepped in and became as much a Heartbreaker as Stan Lynch (my first choice for HB drummer, but you can’t have everything.

And the Heartbreakers as a band completely understood the concept of restraint - when to use it and when to toss it off, like in that clip.

I’ll miss the man, and I’ll miss the band. Irreplaceable.

Yes, I know. It almost seem surreal that I post about a loss like Tom, when there is so much pain coming from a night in Vegas.
Music is my refuge, and I’ve not had the opportunity to do it as much as I would like to, but such is life. That band understood dynamics. The hardest thing for some people is to leave space. I’ve played with so many guitarists who have no conception of a cymbal crash hanging in the air by itself for a split second. Too many notes. No air.
“I can jam 6 notes in that space” is not a prerequisite to “good”. Mike has that restraint and so did Tom.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:35:11am

re: #430 Eclectic Cyborg

He thought he was making a clever joke.

Trump’s a funny guy. Sour puss Leftards can’t take a joke.

//

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:35:29am
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electrotek  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:35:43am

His response:

Pull up that old anarchy cookbook and you’ll see how easy it is. In order to obtain full security, we would have to give up a majority of our rights and liberties.

I’m being civil with him because normally we see eye to eye on a lot of things, so I’m surprised he’s taking this position on guns.

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lawhawk  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:35:47am

re: #433 bratwurst

Someone should check Schilling for CTE. Seems he’s taken one too many shots to the head thinking that every right wing CT is legit… or he’s just asking the questions.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:36:08am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:36:08am

re: #433 bratwurst

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ISIS would claim you were a recent convert if they knew it could get idiots like you scared.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:37:03am

re: #439 lawhawk

Someone should check Schilling for CTE. Seems he’s taken one too many shots to the head thinking that every right wing CT is legit… or he’s just asking the questions.

Nah, he’s just stupid. Plenty of pitchers out there who are much more intelligent than he is. Sean Doolittle for one.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:37:18am

re: #438 electrotek

And yet we still make it illegal, and guess what, people don’t for that reason.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:37:27am

re: #438 electrotek

His response:

I’m being civil with him because normally we see eye to eye on a lot of things, so I’m surprised he’s taking this position on guns.

But if the shooter was Muslim?

Ah, then, ban all Muslims. Shut down their mosques, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:37:59am

re: #437 wrenchwench

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I’m going to celebrate it as such and I really wish we would as a nation too. So many great indigenous nations lived here for generations before we did. They should be celebrated and remembered.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:38:25am

re: #444 Sir John Barron

But if the shooter was Muslim?

Ah, then, ban all Muslims. Shut down their mosques, etc.

Illegal immigrant? Deport all IIs even kids!

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:38:42am

re: #438 electrotek

His response:

I’m being civil with him because normally we see eye to eye on a lot of things, so I’m surprised he’s taking this position on guns.

Not easy. You actually have to go buy and assemble all the stuff and hope it works (or eff yourself up testing it).

Guns are easy. Just buy and load.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:39:04am

re: #438 electrotek

His response:

I’m being civil with him because normally we see eye to eye on a lot of things, so I’m surprised he’s taking this position on guns.

From that map of gun violence above, it would appear that New York, Massachusetts, Minnesota, and Nebraska are hellholes with no civil rights.

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Sir John Barron  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:40:24am

re: #438 electrotek

His response:

I’m being civil with him because normally we see eye to eye on a lot of things, so I’m surprised he’s taking this position on guns.

And how many did that Boston Marathon bomb kill? Horrific as it was. Less than 59 I’m pretty sure.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:40:39am

re: #438 electrotek

His response:

I’m being civil with him because normally we see eye to eye on a lot of things, so I’m surprised he’s taking this position on guns.

I see he’s gone absolutist. “I’m a little warm, let’s sleep in the freezer tonight.”

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:42:25am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Haven’t seen that asshole in awhile. Didn’t miss him.

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:43:04am

re: #405 Barefoot Grin

I was in a low rent motel room in Niagara Falls NY in a snowstorm late January or early February 1977 I think, when I heard Breakdown for the first time.
Understatement at it’s finest.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:43:13am

We have plenty of civil liberties with restrictions. I can’t libel even though I can protest the government. I can own a gun without owning an automatic or semi-automatic weapon. I can drive my car but I can’t drive a gocart on the highway.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:44:16am

re: #339 I Would Prefer Not To

They go to jail.

I believe you have to have a trial first.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:44:44am

re: #453 Belafon

We have plenty of civil liberties with restrictions. I can’t libel even though I can protest the government. I can own a gun without owning an automatic or semi-automatic weapon. I can drive my car but I can’t drive a gocart on the highway.

Exactly.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:45:23am

re: #453 Belafon

We have plenty of civil liberties with restrictions. I can’t libel even though I can protest the government. I can own a gun without owning an automatic or semi-automatic weapon. I can drive my car but I can’t drive a gocart on the highway.

You can ride a bicycle on the Interstate in Wyoming, at least in areas where I-80 covered over the only two-lane road because of bluffs and narrow mountain passes.

Here you can in the furthest west part of the state (along with agricultural equipment, and four-wheelers).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:45:44am

I have a right to trial by jury but prosecution can object to certain jurors too. Sensible gun legislation isn’t going to cause us to lose our rights.

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:47:52am

re: #456 Anymouse 🌹

You can ride a bicycle on the Interstate in Wyoming, at least in areas where I-80 covered over the only two-lane road because of bluffs and narrow mountain passes.

Here you can in the furthest west part of the state (along with agricultural equipment, and four-wheelers).

You can use a pogo stick on the freeway in Oregon, except in the urban areas, where use is limited to automobiles and trucks. All other places are open to the public to use as they see fit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:47:55am

re: #457 HappyWarrior

I have a right to trial by jury but prosecution can object to certain jurors too. Sensible gun legislation isn’t going to cause us to lose our rights.

That goes back to Jim Wright’s suggestion on his blog to move the conversation forward: Enact the NRA’s own safety rules as laws with penalties. Make the NRA support their own safety rules or repudiate them.

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Belafon  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:48:07am

re: #456 Anymouse 🌹

On a good portion of the DFW area, you can’t ride anything on a highway that can’t get up to at least 55, and really, it had better be able to get up to 70.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:48:21am

re: #406 HappyWarrior

Yeah Bryan. Because people should have guns at concerts and can shoot 33 floors up. Just shut the fuck up for once.

He was fantasizing about another hotel guest breaking into Poddack’s room and shooting him.

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sagehen  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:48:42am

re: #449 Sir John Barron

And how many did that Boston Marathon bomb kill? Horrific as it was. Less than 59 I’m pretty sure.

3 dead, 264 injured.

(although, having a dozen ambulances and 100 medical personnel within 100 yards when it happened, and multiple top-notch trauma centers within 3 miles… if it had happened anywhere else, the death toll would have been in the dozens.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:48:57am

re: #458 wrenchwench

You can use a pogo stick on the freeway in Oregon, except in the urban areas, where use is limited to automobiles and trucks. All other places are open to the public to use as they see fit.

LOL, in a heavy rush hour, a pogo stick might be faster.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:49:35am

re: #459 Anymouse 🌹

That goes back to Jim Wright’s suggestion on his blog to move the conversation forward: Enact the NRA’s own safety rules as laws with penalties. Make the NRA support their own safety rules or repudiate them.

The NRA would repudiate them in the blink of an eye. They’ve been Second Amendment extremists for quite some time now, ever since the 1977 convention putsch.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:49:50am

re: #461 Big Beautiful Door

He was fantasizing about another hotel guest breaking into Poddack’s room and shooting him.

Christ. This isn’t a fucking “Taken” movie. Real life doesn’t work like that.

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:50:13am

re: #463 Anymouse 🌹

LOL, in a heavy rush hour, a pogo stick might be faster.

Ain’t no heavy rush hours where a pogo stick can be used. Not even at milking time.

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FormerDirtDart  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:51:26am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:52:13am
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Lidane  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:53:05am

re: Tom Petty

The second concert I ever went to in my life was when my now ex-stepsister let me tag along with her and her friends, since they had an extra ticket for Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers and Bob Dylan at Astroworld in Houston in 1986. I was 13, and instantly became a fan of both Petty and Dylan. I wore the T-shirt from that show until it faded.

I saw Petty several more times on my own after that. He always put on a great show. Very, very underrated artist. This is my favorite song of his:

Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Waiting For Tonight

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:53:07am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

Bryan Fischer says the problem at the heart of the Las Vegas shooting is that not enough people had guns. rightwingwatch.org
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 3, 2017

Yes, because hundreds, or even thousands, of people returning fire into a hotel high rise is a sound tactical response.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:53:24am

re: #465 Eclectic Cyborg

Christ. This isn’t a fucking “Taken” movie. Real life doesn’t work like that.

Ammosexuals all seem to think they are Rambo.

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b.d. (bill d.)  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:53:47am

re: #468 Anymouse 🌹

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LOCK HER UP!!!

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:54:14am

re: #418 electrotek

Oh my God, from someone I thought was level headed:

True, but you can’t buy bombs ready-made in a store. A gun is a ready-to-wear death-weapon.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:58:22am

re: #473 wheat-dogg

True, but you can’t buy bombs ready-made in a store. A gun is a ready-to-wear death-weapon.

Well, you could use a pistol as a really expensive paperweight.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:58:58am

re: #454 Shropshire Slasher

I believe you have to have a trial first.

Are the cowards that are offered a pardon going to risk a trial? They are all cowards. They work for Trump and have never spoken out.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:59:19am

re: #461 Big Beautiful Door

He was fantasizing about another hotel guest breaking into Poddack’s room and shooting him.

That’s so idiotic.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2017 • 10:59:28am

re: #473 wheat-dogg

True, but you can’t buy bombs ready-made in a store. A gun is a ready-to-wear death-weapon.

Not only that, but making a bomb is no easy task. Plenty of would-be anarchists, terrorists, jihadists and assorted irritable psychopaths have blown themselves to kingdom come over the years.

I would argue it takes far more skill to make a functioning bomb then it does to learn the basics of using a firearm.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:00:02am

re: #477 Dr Lizardo

Not only that, but making a bomb is no easy task. Plenty of would-be anarchists, terrorists, jihadists and assorted irritable psychopaths have blown themselves to kingdom come over the years.

I would argue it takes far more skill to make a functioning bomb then it does to learn the basics of using a firearm.

Agree.

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:00:05am
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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:00:47am

re: #477 Dr Lizardo

Not only that, but making a bomb is no easy task. Plenty of would-be anarchists, terrorists, jihadists and assorted irritable psychopaths have blown themselves to kingdom come over the years.

I would argue it takes far more skill to make a functioning bomb then it does to learn the basics of using a firearm.

Especially when using a gun is just “load, point, and squeeze”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:01:22am

re: #477 Dr Lizardo

Not only that, but making a bomb is no easy task. Plenty of would-be anarchists, terrorists, jihadists and assorted irritable psychopaths have blown themselves to kingdom come over the years.

I would argue it takes far more skill to make a functioning bomb then it does to learn the basics of using a firearm.

Plus, after the Oklahoma City bombing, the government moved to restrict the components used (fertilizer) to tiny quantities for gardeners, and licenses for dealers and farmers.

It would be very difficult to amass the amount of fertilizer used in that bombing unless you had a license (in which case your purchases and sales can be tracked).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:02:10am

re: #479 Kragar

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He’s such a repulsive pig.

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makeitstop  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:03:22am

re: #475 I Would Prefer Not To

Are the cowards that are offered a pardon going to risk a trial? They are all cowards. They work for Trump and have never spoken out.

Relevant thread:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:03:27am

Trump probably doesn’t realize the GOP was in power during Katrina too.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:05:13am

re: #479 Kragar

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“Have a good time, great to see you.”

Basically, he’s just welcoming them to Mar-a-lago in the middle of a disaster zone.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:05:14am

re: #480 TedStriker

Especially when using a gun is just “load, point, and squeeze”.

Some people skip the second step.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:06:39am

re: #484 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump probably doesn’t realize the GOP was in power during Katrina too.

See, the GOP is improving.

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Lidane  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:07:17am

re: #479 Kragar

I’m running out of words to describe how much I despise Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:07:23am

re: #484 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump probably doesn’t realize the GOP was in power during Katrina too.

Or if he does, doesn’t see it as a reflection on him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:07:59am
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:10:06am
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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:10:35am

re: #483 makeitstop

Calling plays for the other team?!

Telegraphing his punches?!

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Kragar  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:10:50am

re: #477 Dr Lizardo

Back in School of Infantry, we spent a couple of days learning the basics of handling explosives, setting fuses and prepping demolition charges. Then they would have each of us prep a fuse, and take us out in teams of 4 to the demo pits to set our charges, then wait for the command to ignite the fuse and run to the shelter.

“1 PULL! 2 PULL! 3 PULL! 4 How you doing today? Nervous? You think those other guys set their charges properly? PULL!”

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:11:10am

re: #479 Kragar

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The official Puerto Rico death toll is outdated since the Island is currently so dysfunctional death certificates aren’t getting issued. The actual death toll is likely much higher.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:13:52am

re: #488 Lidane

I’m running out of words to describe how much I despise Trump.

Red Dawn - the hate keeps me warm

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wheat-dogg  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:14:07am

re: #494 Big Beautiful Door

The official Puerto Rico death toll is outdated since the Island is currently so dysfunctional death certificates aren’t getting issued. The actual death toll is likely much higher.

There may still be people in rural areas who have not yet been found, too.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:15:05am

re: #494 Big Beautiful Door

The official Puerto Rico death toll is outdated since the Island is currently so dysfunctional death certificates aren’t getting issued. The actual death toll is likely much higher.

Which is why Trump should shut the fuck up about the death toll. Not to mention every death being tragic.I’m sure thoes who lost family and friends in PR don’t care about the numbers. Trump is a monster.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:15:46am

re: #449 Sir John Barron

And how many did that Boston Marathon bomb kill? Horrific as it was. Less than 59 I’m pretty sure.

3 killed ~265 injured from what I can find

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wrenchwench  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:17:37am
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Eventual Carrion  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:19:01am

re: #471 Big Beautiful Door

Ammosexuals all seem to think they are Rambo.

When in reality most of them are Roundo.

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Amory Blaine  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:19:10am

Assigned legal counsel is tyranny.
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:20:55am

re: #493 Kragar

Back in School of Infantry, we spent a couple of days learning the basics of handling explosives, setting fuses and prepping demolition charges. Then they would have each of us prep a fuse, and take us out in teams of 4 to the demo pits to set our charges, then wait for the command to ignite the fuse and run to the shelter.

“1 PULL! 2 PULL! 3 PULL! 4 How you doing today? Nervous? You think those other guys set their charges properly? PULL!”

A firearm is far easier to use than a bomb - making a bomb has a good many perils of its own. There’s all manner of cases and incidents out there where amateur bomb-makers have killed or permanently maimed themselves…..and sometimes anyone else unlucky enough to be in their proximity.

I learned the basics of firearms use from my father by the time I was eleven - and even that was after some very stringent gun safety instruction, a couple of years worth. To this day, I’m very cautious around any firearm. “Always assume a gun is loaded. That’s rule number one.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:21:06am

WTF

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Stanley Sea  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:21:46am
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TedStriker  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:23:35am

re: #491 Anymouse 🌹

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At least it wasn’t from an ice pick…

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:26:49am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:27:05am

re: #504 Stanley Sea

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:28:15am

Hugh Hefner died of cardiac arrest while battling E. coli

The 91-year-old Playboy founder’s death certificate, which was obtained by Page Six via The Blast, also revealed he had been battling E. coli and septicemia (blood poisoning) for six days prior to his passing on Sept. 27.

The doc explains that Hef’s infection was “highly resistant to antibiotics.”

Hmmmmm

pagesix.com

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nines09  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:28:29am

I have to go out.
Wildflowers is one of the best albums IMHO. I never tire of listening to it This gem is from that masterpiece. Long version.
Fantastic.
From Wiki;
The album features all members of Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, with the exception of drummer Stan Lynch. Steve Ferrone plays drums on Wildflowers and would join the band officially the following year. However, the album was not credited to the Heartbreakers because, in Petty’s words, “Rick (Rubin) and I both wanted more freedom than to be strapped into five guys.”[9] Freedom notwithstanding, Petty chose to use most of his regular band as session players, demonstrating his comfort with that format. Rolling Stone placed Wildflowers at number 12 on their list of the best albums of the 1990s.[10] Guitar World placed the album at number 49 in their “Superunknown: 50 Iconic Albums That Defined 1994” list.
Enjoy.

It’s Good To Be King - Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers

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Targetpractice  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:29:07am

re: #479 Kragar

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“A real catastrophe.” He’s so desperate to regain face after botching the response to PR worse than Dubya screwed the pooch in Katrina that he’s trying to downplay just how bad the damage was to the island. And this is using week-old numbers when most of the gov’t services responsible for reporting and cataloguing deaths are inoperative. But you can be sure that when the final death toll is tallied, he and the braying sheep who follow him will insist that the numbers are “fake” because he was told 16 when he visited.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:29:27am
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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:31:04am

re: #511 Anymouse 🌹

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You know there are other cities with more murder and at a higher rate than Chitown but you’d never know it.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:32:55am

re: #491 Anymouse 🌹

‘Goodfellas’ Actor Chuck Low Dead at 89 tmz.com

— TMZ (@TMZ) October 3, 2017

Will always be remembered this way:

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:34:14am

re: #513 Dr. Matt

Will always be remembered this way:

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Morrie’s wigs DO come off. RIP. Memorable character in a movie full of em.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:38:37am

re: #512 HappyWarrior

You know there are other cities with more murder and at a higher rate than Chitown but you’d never know it.

Most of them are in conservative states, places where there are more guns than people. (My own state is an outlier red state, one of the ten safest for gun violence.)

The per capita gun homicide rate for Louisiana is many times higher than the Metropolitan Chicago area (roughly the same population between the two).

In cities, Chicago isn’t even in the top ten (#18):
thetrace.org

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:39:04am

re: #508 Shropshire Slasher

Hugh Hefner died of cardiac arrest while battling E. coli

Hmmmmm

pagesix.com

Geez……sounds like an awful way to go.

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Dr. Matt  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:39:24am

re: #514 HappyWarrior

Morrie’s wigs DO come off. RIP. Memorable character in a movie full of em.

Yeah. Great character actor. 2017 continues to be a bitch.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:41:50am

re: #516 Anymouse 🌹

Most of them are in conservative states, places where there are more guns than people. (My own state is an outlier red state, one of the ten safest for gun violence.)

The per capita gun homicide rate for Louisiana is many times higher than the Metropolitan Chicago area (roughly the same population between the two).

In cities, Chicago isn’t even in the top ten (#18):
thetrace.org

Yeah that’s my point. They choose Chicago because it’s a Democratic city in a Dem state that also is home to Obama and HRC.

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Mike Lamb  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:42:54am

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Jebus Fucking Christmas…the cops waited like an hour before they went in the room. And now a bunch of randos are supposed to break in and “take him out”?

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Jay C  Oct 3, 2017 • 11:43:37am

re: #508 Shropshire Slasher

Hugh Hefner died of cardiac arrest while battling E. coli

The 91-year-old Playboy founder’s death certificate, which was obtained by Page Six via The Blast, also revealed he had been battling E. coli and septicemia (blood poisoning) for six days prior to his passing on Sept. 27.

The doc explains that Hef’s infection was “highly resistant to antibiotics.”

Hmmmmm

OK: and also: he was 91 years old: the elderly often succumb to infections over and above any other medical ailments they might incur: and antibiotic-resistant bacteria can (and have) carried off far healthier patients than Hef.

Still a bummer: RIP

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EPR-radar  Oct 3, 2017 • 12:16:44pm

re: #488 Lidane

I’m running out of words to describe how much I despise Trump.

Words truly fail for this. Every so often I make feeble efforts to express myself on the subject of that ambulating dungheap in the white house, but it’s always pitifully inadequate.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 3, 2017 • 2:17:55pm

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka


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