Newly Revealed Text Messages Suggest Kavanaugh Knew About an Accuser’s Claim Before It Was Public - and Tried to Get Ex-Classmates to Deny It

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From left, Deborah Ramirez, Kerry E. Berchem, Doug Millet, Karen Yarasavage, Kevin Genda, Brett Kavanaugh and David White pose for a photo at the rehearsal dinner before the wedding of Yarasavage and Genda in 1997. (Photo obtained by NBC News)

If all the dates line up and this news is verified, Brett Kavanaugh will have some serious explaining to do: Text messages suggest Kavanaugh wanted to refute accuser’s claim before it became public.

WASHINGTON — In the days leading up to a public allegation that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh exposed himself to a college classmate, the judge and his team were communicating behind the scenes with friends to refute the claim, according to text messages obtained by NBC News.

Kerry Berchem, who was at Yale with both Kavanaugh and his accuser, Deborah Ramirez, has tried to get those messages to the FBI for its newly reopened investigation into the matter but says she has yet to be contacted by the bureau.

Kavanaugh told the Senate committee the first time he heard of this allegation was when he read the original New Yorker article. This may end up being the most consequential lie he told, although definitely not the only one.

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266 comments

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:15:05pm

Arrogant, entitled, smug, lying asshole.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:16:33pm

The article suggests that Kavanaugh knew as early as July about the whole thing. And that the two had a very uncomfortable meeting again 10 years ago at a wedding.

We’re getting a fuller picture of why the SJC felt a letter of 65 women was necessary to have at the ready.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:17:37pm

Will the establishment media run with this story? because its big, and it ought to end Kavanaugh’s nomination.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:18:10pm

re: #3 Big Beautiful Door

I’m sure Fox is all over it.
//

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:18:49pm

re: #3 Big Beautiful Door

Will the establishment media run with this story? because its big, and it ought to end Kavanaugh’s nomination.

Well, it’s on NBC, so that’s a start.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:20:05pm

Is he wearing white pants in this photo? That’s enough to despise him right there.

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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:21:08pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Is he wearing white pants in this photo? That’s enough to despise him right there.

Was this photo taken before or after Labor Day?

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:21:28pm

OT, but significant if not already mentioned. The Moonie Times, probably as part of a defamation settlement, is retracting an article peddling a Seth Rich Conspiracy theory and apologizing to the Rich family, who they accused of taking money from Wikileaks for DNC emails.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:21:40pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

With a braided belt.

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makeitstop  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:21:41pm

From downstairs…

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:22:51pm

re: #10 makeitstop

From downstairs…

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“That statement was made under penalty of perjury!”

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:25:02pm

Rockies suddenly making tiebreaker interesting.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:25:10pm

I like how it was Orrin Hatch’s question that made this particular bit of perjury possible.

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makeitstop  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:25:29pm

I know the guy is on the right side of the Kavanaugh testimony, but…

Chad Ludington? SRSLY??

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makeitstop  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:27:06pm

Daniel Dale is lie-tracking live on Twitter. He’s got a few, and Trump’s only about five minutes in.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:27:12pm

And the hits keep on coming:

tl;dr, Kavanaugh is drinking at a bar after UB40 concert, sees guy he thinks is the lead singer and approaches him, only to get blown off for being obnoxious. Brett acts in a totally mature fashion…by throwing a beer in the guy’s face, leading to a fight that ends with the cops being called.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:28:04pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:29:00pm

re: #14 makeitstop

I know the guy is on the right side of the Kavanaugh testimony, but…

Chad Ludington? SRSLY??

Stopped clock, twice a day, yada yada.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:29:04pm
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piratedan  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:29:15pm

to me, the Kavanaugh hearings are kind of unravelling just like the Watergate story was in regards to the administration…. “don’t these people understand, we’ve already denied EVERYTHING!!!!!”

It’s as if, of course we’re the party in power, you HAVE to believe everything we say even if you find proof otherwise… those are the RULES!!!!!!!

While I fully accept that not everyone is going to agree with me on everything, the one trait that has to be essential to be a judge ( at least imho) is that they have to be fair and they have to not be a liar…. and on those two traits alone, Kavanaugh certainly appears to be unable to clear the bar (unlike Gorsuch)…

I really think the reason that Trump wants THIS guy so bad is that he’ll gladly operate as a GOP partisan on the bench no matter the offense, the law or the issue.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:30:38pm

re: #20 piratedan

to me, the Kavanaugh hearings are kind of unravelling just like the Watergate story was in regards to the administration…. “don’t these people understand, we’ve already denied EVERYTHING!!!!!”

It’s as if, of course we’re the party in power, you HAVE to believe everything we say even if you find proof otherwise… those are the RULES!!!!!!!

While I fully accept that not everyone is going to agree with me on everything, the one trait that has to be essential to be a judge ( at least imho) is that they have to be fair and they have to not be a liar…. and on those two traits alone, Kavanaugh certainly appears to be unable to clear the bar (unlike Gorsuch)…

I really think the reason that Trump wants THIS guy so bad is that he’ll gladly operate as a GOP partisan on the bench no matter the offense, the law or the issue.

Specifically because Kavanaugh will shutdown any investigation of Trump.

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Interesting Times  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:30:51pm

Hahahahaha:

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:31:47pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

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At the same time, it seems there’s a growing number of folks who knew him who recognized him for the douchebag he was and didn’t come forward for fear of being alone in the spotlight.

This is the first time we’re hearing about this bar fight, likely because it wasn’t all the important by itself. But fit it together with the allegations made against him and it paints the picture of a guy who did not like taking “no” for an answer when he’d had a few drinks.

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Big Beautiful Door  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:32:09pm

And Jansen slams the door shut for the Dodgers.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:34:12pm

You look at the way that Kavanaugh acted on live TV while he was sober, then imagine the same dickhead with half a case (or more) in his gut. Does anybody believe for a second that he remained a perfect gentleman who would know right from wrong? Especially with an equally drunk Mark Judge there to egg him on?

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austin_blue  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:36:03pm

Well, he certainly *did* like beer. And he had enough money that he could afford to throw some in a guy’s face and start a bar fight.

Yup, he sure liked beer!

But a drinking problem? No way, Jose. Nothing to see here!

Putz.

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:36:16pm

UB40 - Red Red Wine

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:36:46pm

re: #26 austin_blue

Well, he certainly *did* like beer. And he had enough money that he could afford to throw some in a guy’s face and start a bar fight.

Yup, he sure liked beer!

But a drinking problem? No way, Jose. Nothing to see here!

Putz.

Do you like beer? Have you ever blacked out?

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b.d.(soros funded)  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:37:57pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Do you like beer? Have you ever blacked out?

What….like, today?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:38:30pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Do you like beer? Have you ever blacked out?

Yes. And sorta-kinda, once or twice.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:39:00pm

re: #27 gocart mozart

DO YOU LIKE WINE? I LIKE WINE. RED RED WINE.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:42:21pm

re: #31 Ace Rothstein

DO YOU LIKE WINE? I LIKE WINE. RED RED WINE.

I prefer red rum.

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Danack  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:42:46pm
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jeffreyw  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:43:59pm

re: #31 Ace Rothstein

DO YOU LIKE WINE? I LIKE WINE. RED RED WINE.

YouTube

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:44:04pm
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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:45:16pm

Interesting… so McConnell is saying a vote will happen this week. Yet Cornyn (the Majority Whip) is saying that the FBI background report is going to have to be made public, and that he doesn’t know when McConnell will file for cloture.

They have really managed to fuck this shit up in new and novel ways. Couldn’t happen to a nicer group of politicians.

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:45:25pm
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BlueGrl21  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:46:30pm

re: #22 Interesting Times

Hahahahaha:

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Conversation with my good friend and boss of 11 years today. White male, 50s, left the Republican Party. Have to set up the conversation.

Him: What’s wrong with you?
Me: Don’t want to talk about it.
Him: Did I do something to piss you off?
Me: Did you get drunk and act like a frat boy idiot in college?
Him: No, I was a bartender at a bar at UT. I threw those guys out.
Me: You may stay.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:47:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:47:51pm

Who among us hasn’t punched a guy who looked like the UB40 singer?

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:50:50pm

re: #36 KGxvi

Interesting… so McConnell is saying a vote will happen this week. Yet Cornyn (the Majority Whip) is saying that the FBI background report is going to have to be made public, and that he doesn’t know when McConnell will file for cloture.

They have really managed to fuck this shit up in new and novel ways. Couldn’t happen to a nicer group of politicians.

Until there’s a vote scheduled, any assurances from Mitch that such is happening this week are empty bluster. He knows this nomination is crashing and burning, but he doesn’t want to say that aloud for fear that he’ll be the one drawn and quartered.

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BigPapa  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:50:59pm

I thought somebody in UB40 died. WTF is going on here?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:51:47pm
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b.d.(soros funded)  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:52:00pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Who among us hasn’t punched a guy who looked like the UB40 singer?

What….like, today?

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:52:07pm

Why do I expect UB40 to trend on Twitter before the night’s over?

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BlueGrl21  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:52:09pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Who among us hasn’t punched a guy who looked like the UB40 singer?

I absolutely LOATHE the song “Red, Red Wine.” I hear the first 5 notes and it’s off. It was played nonstop on the radio when I was in high school. It was horrible.

This whole thing is delicious.

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austin_blue  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:52:23pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Do you like beer? Have you ever blacked out?

Yes. My first summer after Freshman year at Tulane, went to a friends house, (I forget if was Tobin’s or Squi’s) and we raided the booze cabinet when his ‘rents were out of town. I found a bottle of Southern Comfort, decided I liked the taste of it, and demolished most of it.

I have never been so sick in my life. Poisoned.

That was it for both Southern Comfort and blackout drinking for the rest of my life. It’s a stupid, self-destructive thing to do.

Although, thinking about it, maybe I should give it another go.

Maybe I can get a lifetime job on the Federal Bench!

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:52:59pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

Until there’s a vote scheduled, any assurances from Mitch that such is happening this week are empty bluster. He knows this nomination is crashing and burning, but he doesn’t want to say that aloud for fear that he’ll be the one drawn and quartered.

If he were to even imply it, Republican senators would head for the gates.

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:53:23pm
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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:54:35pm

re: #49 gocart mozart

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:55:13pm

Raw Story now reporting a new allegation against Kavanaugh including violence.

rawstory.com

“Kavanaugh and a friend offered me a ride home,” the person wrote in her letter. “I don’t know the other boy’s name. I was in his car to go home. His friend was behind me in the backseat. Kavanaugh kissed me forcefully. I told him I only wanted a ride home. Kavanaugh continued to grope me over my clothes, forcing his kisses on me and putting his hand under my sweater. ‘No,’ I yelled at him.”

The source said that the boy in the backseat reached around and put his hand over the source’s mouth and held her to keep her in the car.

“I screamed into his hand. Kavanaugh continued his forcing himself on me,” the source continued. “He pulled up my sweater and bra exposing my breasts, and reached into my panties, inserting his fingers into my vagina. My screams were silenced by the boy in the backseat covering my mouth and groping me as well.”

The accuser then said that Kavanaugh slapped her and told her to be quiet before forcing her to perform oral sex on him.

(more)

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:56:27pm
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KGxvi  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:57:54pm

re: #52 goddamnedfrank

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I thought Jimmy Buffett was the right bet at 18:1.

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BigPapa  Oct 1, 2018 • 4:57:58pm

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t know, seems fishy, just like the Colorado letter to Cory Gardner. We’re reaching peak fuckery here and nothing would surprise me. AM radio is full bonkers mode.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:00:00pm

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

Raw Story now reporting a new allegation against Kavanaugh including violence.

rawstory.com

(more)

JFC.

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austin_blue  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:00:59pm

re: #54 BigPapa

I don’t know, seems fishy, just like the Colorado letter to Cory Gardner. We’re reaching peak fuckery here and nothing would surprise me. AM radio is full bonkers mode.

This is why Dog made FBI investigations.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:01:26pm

Is the goal now to force Kavanaugh to withdraw from the nomination by forcing the rest of us to relive the worst bits of the 80s?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:01:39pm

No goddamn wonder why they attempted to rush this nomination through and why he didn’t disclose much of his personal papers. This guy should have never been allowed to get as far as he has.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:02:09pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Is the goal now to force Kavanaugh to withdraw from the nomination by forcing the rest of us to relive the worst bits of the 80s?

We’re going to get a picture of him cosplaying as Patrick Bateman aren’t we?

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:02:23pm

re: #54 BigPapa

I don’t know, seems fishy, just like the Colorado letter to Cory Gardner. We’re reaching peak fuckery here and nothing would surprise me. AM radio is full bonkers mode.

I agree. The source is RawStory and they don’t do the best job in vetting their reports. They may not make anything up on their own or pass on a thoroughly discredited story but there are plenty of people who would manufacture falsehoods and they would be delighted to convey them to a larger audience.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:04:00pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

We’re going to get a picture of him cosplaying as Patrick Bateman aren’t we?

If Huey Lewis & The News comes up, I’m done.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:04:48pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

If Huey Lewis & The News comes up, I’m done.

The simulation’s runner forgot to update the software two years ago and he’s just running wild.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:06:14pm

re: #50 Targetpractice

God it’s just gonna be a blizzard of Chads and Bretts until this thing is over isn’t it

Might be a Todd or two for the sake of variety.

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:08:35pm

And Kavanaugh could have avoided all this if he apologized and confessed that he was often intoxicated when younger and cannot remember his actions, but he cleaned up when he left school. OTOH, I wonder if he is a high functioning alcoholic who continues to drink beer, his favorite brew, in excess.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:08:48pm

re: #63 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Might be a Todd or two for the sake of variety.

Damon and Justin are waiting for their close ups.

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:08:57pm

re: #63 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

And Chet. (Weird Science)

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:09:03pm

re: #53 KGxvi

I thought Jimmy Buffett was the right bet at 18:1.

The Parrotheads of Margaritaville would never allow that kind of bullshit go unpunished.

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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:09:27pm

re: #63 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Might be a Todd or two for the sake of variety.

We had two Todds around here who went by ‘good Todd’ and ‘bad Todd.’ Some of us called them bad Todd and worse Todd.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:09:57pm

I can’t keep up anymore, has this been covered today?

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:10:14pm

I knew a lot of Kavanaughs in high school and college. All the same. White, entitled, never got their fingernails dirty, arrogant, and total dickheads.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:10:52pm
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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:11:34pm

“Was that the greatest evening ever?”

Drumpf is losing it, and my wife can see it in the audience responses.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:13:04pm

They really like Andrew Jackson on the twenty dollar bill. 💩

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:13:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:13:35pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

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I’m not afraid because I don’t treat people how Kavanaugh does.

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makeitstop  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:14:06pm

re: #54 BigPapa

I don’t know, seems fishy, just like the Colorado letter to Cory Gardner. We’re reaching peak fuckery here and nothing would surprise me. AM radio is full bonkers mode.

I read about that accusation this morning, got the same feel.

Gotta be on guard for ratfucking.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:16:06pm

MAWA … MASA … MASA … MAGA …

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:16:20pm

re: #56 austin_blue

This is why Dog made FBI investigations.

35 allegations that sound extreme to suck up all the FBIs time.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:16:53pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:17:16pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

Psych!

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makeitstop  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:20:08pm

How cool would it be if Ali Campbell went on the record and said ‘Oh, yeah, I remember that fight…’

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:23:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:24:17pm

Slate has been extra stupid lately. They used to run about 50-50, now it’s 70-30.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:24:49pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

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But I thought this was just like Clarence Thomas. // Really Tucker, everyone knows you’ll chicken out if a race war ever happens. Just shut up and stop being a racist schmuck.

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Interesting Times  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:24:54pm

re: #76 makeitstop

I read about that accusation this morning, got the same feel.

Gotta be on guard for ratfucking.

Agree. As per this article on how to correctly spot a false rape allegation:

False accusers almost never tell stories that could, by any stretch of the imagination, be seen as an innocent misunderstanding. In a study of false rape claims made to the Los Angeles Police Department, 78% involved claims of aggravated rape—assaults involving a gun or knife, gang rapes, and/or attacks resulting in injuries.

This too:

…so yes, while I can absolutely see Beer-Keg-Brett behaving as this other anonymous account describes, there are parts that feel too conveniently dramatic (like someone took CBF’s story, changed the setting, and decided to crank the violence/sleaze up to 11).

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:25:51pm

re: #85 Interesting Times

Agree. As per this article on how to correctly spot a false rape allegation:

This too:

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…so yes, while I can absolutely see Beer-Keg-Brett behaving as this other anonymous account describes, there are parts that feel too conveniently dramatic (like someone took CBF’s story, changed the setting, and decided to crank the violence/sleaze up to 11).

My friend showed me that earlier. It’s a graet read.

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:26:14pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:26:42pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

Legs Benedict
@goddamnedfrank
You misspelled “abusive assholes.”

Slate

@Slate
The Kavanaugh accusation has men more afraid than ever: slate.trib.al pic.twitter.com

The article itself is excellent, and makes the points that too many men feel entitled and have little regard for women’s feelings and reactions. The men don’t remember assaults because they aren’t important to them, even if the assault harms the victim for life.

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BlueGrl21  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:26:49pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

If Huey Lewis & The News comes up, I’m done.

My line is Debbie Gibson.

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piratedan  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:29:16pm

re: #89 BlueGrl21

I was going to draw the line at Milli Vanilli because I felt like Scritti Politti was too obscure….

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Interesting Times  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:30:29pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

Why do I expect UB40 to trend on Twitter before the night’s over?

lol:

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wrenchwench  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:31:41pm

The girls grew up and became serious. The boys didn’t have to.

In those crowds.

Were students at single sex schools more likely to be involved in sex crimes?

You have 16 hours to answer, if you want to. I’m going home.

Later, lizards.

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BlueGrl21  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:31:44pm

re: #90 piratedan

I was going to draw the line at Milli Vanilli because I felt like Scritti Politti was too obscure….

Hey, I have “Perfect Way” on my 80s playlist. Every time it comes on, both of my sons say, “Mom! What is this crap? Turn it off!!!”

They respond the same way to Erasure but I ignore them.

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steve_davis  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:32:02pm

re: #37 gocart mozart

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Horse has been back to use the bathroom a half-dozen times. He just needs to sleep it off now.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:32:17pm

re: #74 goddamnedfrank

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In Slate’s defense, the headline is clickbait, but the article itself actually lays out how this sort of bullshit is just that. That the men who are scared are (indeed) the assholes who prey on women to get their jollies, who now feel as though they’re “victims” because society let them get away with it for so long that they thought it was acceptable behavior. Sort of ties back to the discussion had on this blog the other night about how, in 80s pop culture, the idea of a guy taking advantage of a girl in an incapacitated state was not only accepted but even portrayed as something worthy of laughs or cheers.

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NetworkKed  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:33:37pm

Slate’s headline writers have been out of control ever since Microsoft sold them off 15 years ago. Completely irresponsible, usually don’t appear to have read the article.

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steve_davis  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:33:40pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Who among us hasn’t punched a guy who looked like the UB40 singer?

I beat six people to death once when I mistook them for Nickleback.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:34:16pm

re: #97 steve_davis

I beat six people to death once when I mistook them for Nickleback.

You should probably lie low because you’re probably wanted for murder.

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Targetpractice  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:34:40pm

re: #91 Interesting Times

lol:

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I just got bored. Everybody out.

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makeitstop  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:41:38pm

re: #93 BlueGrl21

Hey, I have “Perfect Way” on my 80s playlist. Every time it comes on, both of my sons say, “Mom! What is this crap? Turn it off!!!”

They respond the same way to Erasure but I ignore them.

Green Gartside was a terrific singer. Cupid & Psyche was a brilliant record.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:41:57pm

In a way this whole thing reminds you what a fucking pile of crap the Bush administration was since Kavanaugh was one of Bush’s top aides and originally put on the court by him.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:47:43pm

re: #93 BlueGrl21

Hey, I have “Perfect Way” on my 80s playlist. Every time it comes on, both of my sons say, “Mom! What is this crap? Turn it off!!!”

They respond the same way to Erasure but I ignore them.

I’m trying to get my youngest hooked on Depeche Mode.

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Interesting Times  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:48:50pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:49:05pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:49:47pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:51:12pm

re: #103 Interesting Times

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Oliver Wendell Holmes got into a brawl at a Strauss concert. Or who could forget Warren Burger punching a guy he thought was Benny Goodman.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:53:15pm

Or that time while they were on SCOTUS, Scalia and RBG heckling Opera singers after they pregamed at RBG’s crib.

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:54:30pm
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Jay C  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:54:48pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

In a way this whole thing reminds you what a fucking pile of crap the Bush administration was since Kavanaugh was one of Bush’s top aides and originally put on the court by him.

True, but compared to the current clown act/shitshow, his Administration was at least run competently- maybe that’s the one saving grace about the Trump Circus…

Dubya was scarcely a braintrust, but at least he and rest of his gang - vile ideologues as they were - knew how a President was supposed to look and act (and administer): not sure what’s worse: that Trump doesn’t and can’t: or that his cheering crowds of MAGAts don’t care.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:56:01pm

re: #109 Jay C

True, but compared to the current clown act/shitshow, his Administration was at least run competently- maybe that’s the one saving grace about the Trump Circus…

Dubya was scarcely a braintrust, but at least he and rest of his gang - vile ideologues as they were - knew how a President was supposed to look and act (and administer): not sure what’s worse: that Trump doesn’t and can’t: or that his cheering crowds of MAGAts don’t care.

I know. I’m just saying. W brought Kavanaugh into the executive branch and then the judicial and he last heard was rallying votes for Kavanaugh.

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prairiefire  Oct 1, 2018 • 5:58:54pm

re: #69 Single-handed sailor

“Cuz he so busy, you get back to us quick, bitch.”

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Jay C  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:01:16pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

I know. I’m just saying. W brought Kavanaugh into the executive branch and then the judicial and he last heard was rallying votes for Kavanaugh.

Yeah, what did see here on a earlier thread: “shitbirds of a feather flock together“…?

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:03:39pm

re: #112 Jay C

Yeah, what did see here on a earlier thread: “shitbirds of a feather flock together“…?

True true.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:03:52pm

I’ve been off the ‘net most of the day. And, I already need this

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PhillyPretzel  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:05:17pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That is because cats love boxes. :)

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:07:25pm
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jeffreyw  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:08:01pm

re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’ve been off the ‘net most of the day. And, I already need this

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Looks like a homemade whack-a-cat game.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:08:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:11:57pm

There is never enough crazy that disqualifies you as a conservative.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:12:43pm

re: #119 Anymouse 🌹

There is never enough crazy that disqualifies you as a conservative.

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I hope he peels off enough votes.

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electrotek  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:13:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:13:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:14:47pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

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The dehumanization is the same. And the right wing assholes have the nerve to liken themselves to Nazi victims.

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BeachDem  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:20:47pm

re: #53 KGxvi

I thought Jimmy Buffett was the right bet at 18:1.

My head hurts, my feet stink, and I don’t love Jesus…

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:22:25pm
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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:24:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:25:50pm

re: #125 gocart mozart

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Is she goddamn serious?

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:26:06pm

Important news you should be aware of here:

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electrotek  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:27:17pm

I’m sure Kavanaugh has it much worse than this poor Asian Muslim cab driver when he was falsely accused of sexual assault in the UK last year:

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Ferdinand  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:27:51pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

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My wife and I just this week joked sadly of being bummed we only want to shop in Hutu owned stores when we got a MAGA vibe at our new auto repair shop.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:29:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:29:59pm

re: #129 electrotek

I’m sure Kavanaugh has it much worse than this poor Asian Muslim cab driver when he was falsely accused of sexual assault in the UK last year:

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Oswalt is such a great guy.

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ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:30:11pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔
@Green_Footballs
Keep in mind that a lot of Kavanaugh’s Yale buddies are going to instinctively form the circle of tribal protection, and lie for him.

7:28 PM - Oct 1, 2018

It is what every Biff and Buffy would do for their Brett.

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BlueSpotinAL  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:30:15pm

Trump jokes he’d be a ‘mess’ if he drank alcohol
Jesus H Christ, I can only imagine!

thehill.com

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Jay C  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:30:56pm

re: #126 Single-handed sailor

They “expect” the Norks are clearing mines: right.
So who’s going to be the first to volunteer for a football match on the “cleared” fields???

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danarchy  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:31:46pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Is she goddamn serious?

Since that doesn’t actually appear anywhere in her memo I am guessing not.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:32:30pm

re: #136 danarchy

Since that doesn’t actually appear anywhere in her memo I am guessing not.

Wanted to make sure.

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:33:02pm

re: #134 BlueSpotinAL

Trump jokes he’d be a ‘mess’ if he drank alcohol
Jesus H Christ, I can only imagine!

thehill.com

You can tell how serious he thinks this and alcohol abuse are.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:33:36pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

But I thought this was just like Clarence Thomas. // Really Tucker, everyone knows you’ll chicken out if a race war ever happens. Just shut up and stop being a racist schmuck.

He is engaging in stochastic terrorism. FOX is our version of Radio Rwanda.

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Teukka  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:36:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:36:08pm

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹

He is engaging in stochastic terrorism. FOX is our version of Radio Rwanda.

Yep. And sigh he’s not going anyway anytime soon.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:38:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:40:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:45:29pm

re: #143 Anymouse 🌹

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Damn Soros is good.

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MsJ  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:45:52pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:46:08pm

Ah, that spine folks were mentioning about Senator Flake finding? About that… .

Flake Says There Is ‘Not a Chance’ He Would Have Called for Kavanaugh FBI Investigation if He Were Up for Re-Election (Newsweek)

Republican Senator Jeff Flake admitted on Sunday that there was “not a chance” he would have joined calls for an FBI investigation into allegations of sexual misconduct against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh if he had planned to run for re-election.

(more)

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electrotek  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:48:06pm

re: #140 Teukka

Mood music:

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20 years old and still fucking relevant to this day. Manics are an absolute blessing.

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Kilroy was here  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:49:08pm

In the future (hellscape or other) children will read of these times and wonder if someone is just passing off a history version of Mad Libs.

Also still waiting for Captain Kirk to come fix the timeline…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:49:12pm

re: #28 Charles Johnson

Do you like beer? Have you ever blacked out?

I got to confess, Charles that when I was at Pitt in the Mid 70s, I didn’t like beer.

But I did like a green leafy herb…

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mmmirele  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:50:03pm

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹

Ah, that spine folks were mentioning about Senator Flake finding? About that… .

Flake Says There Is ‘Not a Chance’ He Would Have Called for Kavanaugh FBI Investigation if He Were Up for Re-Election (Newsweek)

(more)

He’s not running for re-election, but he’s in Manchester, NH giving a speech tonight. Arizona politicians don’t usually show up in New Hampshire unless they have presidential aspirations.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:50:15pm

Trump leaves Rose Garden listeners punch-drunk … even without alcohol

Sub-header: The president was ostensibly promoting a new trade deal but for 90 minutes he came across as a madcap carnival barker

It may have been the world’s worst advertisement for teetotalism.

On Monday Donald Trump careered all over the place, displaying no discernible inhibitions, his speech a little slurry at times, blurting out words that most people would regret in the morning as he held his second wild ride with the media in less than a week.

The US president was ostensibly making an announcement about a new trade deal with the Canada and Mexico, but was also questioned about Judge Brett Kavanaugh’s youthful drinking habits.

(more)

You know, it’s been repeatedly reported that Mr. Trump is a teetotaler, but listening to him speak in public I have to really wonder about that.

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Teukka  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:50:19pm

re: #147 electrotek

20 years old and still fucking relevant to this day. Manics are an absolute blessing.

I wonder, will it 70 years on be as spot on as the Barber’s speech is today?

[Best Version] The Great Dictator Speech - Charlie Chaplin + Time - Hans Zimmer (INCEPTION Theme)

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ObserverArt  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:50:39pm

re: #70 Ace Rothstein

I knew a lot of Kavanaughs in high school and college. All the same. White, entitled, never got their fingernails dirty, arrogant, and total dickheads.

Always because they were protected by their friends and families with the power and connections to make things go away.

Brett is just repeating that need. He is relying on all those ol’ buds, and the Republican machine that got him to this point to pull his drunk ass out of another jam.

Still not responsible for anything, yet those in power cover for him because he has been tailored to be their boy, especially for Trump.

The minute he is unprotected he is going to come apart. And it still will not be his fault.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:51:50pm

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹

Trump leaves Rose Garden listeners punch-drunk … even without alcohol

Sub-header: The president was ostensibly promoting a new trade deal but for 90 minutes he came across as a madcap carnival barker

(more)

You know, it’s been repeatedly reported that Mr. Trump is a teetotaler, but listening to him speak in public I have to really wonder about that.

It’s not alcohol, it’s drugs.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:52:53pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:54:06pm

re: #146 Anymouse 🌹

Ah, that spine folks were mentioning about Senator Flake finding? About that… .

Flake Says There Is ‘Not a Chance’ He Would Have Called for Kavanaugh FBI Investigation if He Were Up for Re-Election (Newsweek)

(more)

That just shows that Flake is being honest: few Senators or Congressmen are profiles in courage when it comes to taking actions that might threaten their reelection.

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MsJ  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:54:28pm

re: #115 PhillyPretzel

That is because cats love boxes. :)

Tanks, boxes… What’s the diff? 😂😂😭

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:55:08pm
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Ace-o-aces  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:56:24pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Is he wearing white pants in this photo? That’s enough to despise him right there.

I’ve seen video of you in orange overalls. Glass houses man….

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Ace-o-aces  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:57:57pm
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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:58:21pm

re: #159 Ace-o-aces

I’ve seen video of you in orange overalls. Glass houses man….

Stanley Clarke Montreaux Jazz Festival early 80s with Simon Phillips, Steve Bach, Icarus Johnson

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Charles Johnson  Oct 1, 2018 • 6:59:29pm

re: #159 Ace-o-aces

I’ve seen video of you in orange overalls. Glass houses man….

Those overalls were yellow! Completely different!

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:00:27pm

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s not alcohol, it’s drugs.

“Zoot suit, white jacket with side vents
Five inches long
I’m out on the street again
And I’m leaping along
I’m dressed right for a beach fight
But I just can’t explain
Why that uncertain feeling is still
Here in my brain”

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Kilroy was here  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:01:22pm

It is all going swimmingly..

Kavanaugh won’t return to teach at Harvard Law School next semester

Today, Judge Kavanaugh indicated that he can no longer commit to teaching his course in January Term 2019, so the course will not be offered,” Claypoole wrote, according to the Harvard Crimson.

thehill.com

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BigPapa  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:03:41pm

When you got in trouble did Mom yell CHARLES ICARUS?

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:05:56pm
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wheat-dogg  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:06:44pm

re: #165 BigPapa

Come down here this instant, and take off those wings before you get yourself killed!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:07:50pm

re: #161 teleskiguy

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Video

Hey, It’s so cool to see Charles in action!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:09:21pm

re: #164 Kilroy was here

It is all going swimmingly..

Kavanaugh won’t return to teach at Harvard Law School next semester

thehill.com

Liberty will offer him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:11:07pm

re: #164 Kilroy was here

It is all going swimmingly..

Kavanaugh won’t return to teach at Harvard Law School next semester

thehill.com

Hmmmm, what course was he teaching? Lie, Cheat & Steal Your Way To The Top Of The Greasy Pole?

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MsJ  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:11:34pm

re: #164 Kilroy was here

It is all going swimmingly..

Kavanaugh won’t return to teach at Harvard Law School next semester

thehill.com

This comment…EL OH EL!

JoeMyGod

Kavanaugh was SO angry at that hearing he had blood coming out of his wherever.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:11:47pm

re: #168 Joe Bacon 🌹

An especially gonzo-sounding song from the same session.

Stanley Clarke, Steve Bach, Simon Phillips play Beyond the Seventh Galaxy

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wheat-dogg  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:13:26pm

re: #170 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hmmmm, what course was he teaching? Lie, Cheat & Steal Your Way To The Top Of The Greasy Pole?

Kegging Your Way to the Federal Judiciary

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BigPapa  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:13:52pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Liberty will offer him.

I’ll put $5 worth of Survival Seeds on Hillsdale College since you took the Liberty square.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:14:32pm

Hillary’s Buttery Males

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:15:17pm

re: #174 BigPapa

I’ll put $5 worth of Survival Seeds on Hillsdale College since you took the Liberty square.

Oooh Hillsdale as the sleeper!

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:16:40pm

We have a winner

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:18:34pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:19:17pm

re: #177 gocart mozart

We have a winner

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When I was in New York, I played at the Marshall Chess Club in Manhattan. Yes, I saw narcissistic Fischer types throwing pieces all over the place when they lost…Then there was a duplicate bridge tournament at college when someone didn’t get a black master point for coming in 2nd and they picked up the duplicate boards and threw them at the tournament director and organizer…

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:19:56pm
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Jason Munro  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:20:10pm

I predicted 2 weeks ago (?), that the Kavenator would not get nominated. Had a lot of ups and downs since then - but I continue to hope. If, and it’s a big if, the FBI investigation is truly free to follow the facts, that hope might not be misplaced.

Either way, this is a political shitshow for Republicans.

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MsJ  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:20:44pm
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dangerman  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:22:03pm

re: #37 gocart mozart

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“Excuse me, good sir, are you hiring?”
The manager is surprised to see a talking horse and he looks him up and down before saying, “Sorry, we’re not hiring. Why don’t you try the circus?”
The horse says, “Why would the circus need a bartender

“Why the long face?”

Nobody? Really? Nobody?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:22:24pm

re: #177 gocart mozart

We have a winner

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And now you are really bring back memories of a chess tournament I played in college when a “friend” decided to “assist” me by putting a spot of LSD in my coffee. Sat down at the chess board, started feeling weird and then the pieces turned into people and were beating each other up. Don’t ask me how but I won two games with incredible sacrifices. But that scared the #2 out of me and I NEVER wanted to ever deal with LSD again!

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HappyWarrior  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:23:08pm

re: #178 Anymouse 🌹

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Oh but remember when Trump was the bestest ever on LGBT issues. Such a load of shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:24:20pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Oh but remember when Trump was the bestest ever on LGBT issues. Such a load of shit.

Just waiting for Trump to deport Milo…and his husband then writes the tell all book…

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:25:19pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:25:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:26:05pm

re: #158 Single-handed sailor

There is a metric fuquetonne of conservaderp and whataboutism in that thread.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:26:39pm

re: #184 Joe Bacon 🌹

Fun fact: The people that discovered LSD are distant relatives of mine.

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:27:46pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

No goddamn wonder why they attempted to rush this nomination through and why he didn’t disclose much of his personal papers. This guy should have never been allowed to get as far as he has.

I still say if all this came out after he was voted in he’d still be toast

The outrage at it all having been knowingly buried and orchestrated would be monumental

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:28:05pm

re: #183 dangerman

“Why the long face?”

Nobody? Really? Nobody?

sarah palin ruined that joke for all time

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:29:51pm

I’m becoming increasingly bothered by the inflation that is picking up.

Somehow our political attention has missed this.

I’m seeing in both everyday items and the major expenses (housing) prices are skyrocketing.

Hidden by national-average statistics, regional and local changes to prices can vary greatly from a national average.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:33:01pm

re: #193 freetoken

That’s why the Fed raised interest rates.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:34:44pm

re: #193 freetoken

I’m becoming increasingly bothered by the inflation that is picking up.

Somehow our political attention has missed this.

I’m seeing in both everyday items and the major expenses (housing) prices are skyrocketing.

Hidden by national-average statistics, regional and local changes to prices can vary greatly from a national average.

Trump’s tariffs on Chinese goods (and others) may be one cause.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:35:09pm
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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:37:20pm
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freetoken  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:38:07pm

re: #194 Belafon

But the prime interest rate was so close to zero for so long that a small increase might seem like a lot proportionately to what it was, but it still seems far too small of an increase to me.

And the wealth transfer that is accelerating under cover of the Trump circus is a very troubling thing.

I look at what people discuss online, and what stories get promoted on social media, and so much of it seems to me like a distraction.

The GOP Congress is not just AWOL on important economic issues, but they strike me as being fatalistic, willing to chuck out the whole idea of the broad interests of society for a feudal state.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:38:26pm

re: #197 jaunte

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Putin must really be tugging on Butters spike collar…

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:39:26pm

re: #129 electrotek

I’m sure Kavanaugh has it much worse than this poor Asian Muslim cab driver when he was falsely accused of sexual assault in the UK last year:

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:39:28pm

re: #199 Joe Bacon 🌹

He misspelled “take this case to Fox News.”

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:39:45pm

re: #97 steve_davis

I beat six people to death once when I mistook them for Nickleback.

A public service?

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:40:10pm
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Belafon  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:40:16pm

re: #148 Kilroy was here

In the future (hellscape or other) children will read of these times and wonder if someone is just passing off a history version of Mad Libs.

Also still waiting for Captain Kirk to come fix the timeline…

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What if Trump was the result of that time-travel.

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:40:49pm

re: #102 Belafon

I’m trying to get my youngest hooked on Depeche Mode.

I’m trying to get Mrs dm hooked on peaches ala mode

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:43:47pm
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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:44:16pm
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Jay C  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:44:31pm

re: #197 jaunte

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And exactly how does one go about “taking the case” of a Supreme Court Justice “to the people”?? Introduce a Constitutional Amendment mandating SC Justices be confirmed by a national referendum? A TV show with audience voting? An online poll?

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Kilroy was here  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:44:52pm

re: #204 Belafon

What if Trump was the result of that time-travel.

Well crap.. Maybe Dr Who can do something.. People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a nonlinear, non-subjective viewpoint, it’s more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey… stuff.

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:44:53pm

re: #208 Jay C

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:45:11pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

I can remember a specific date, 01 February 2008, on Mt. Werner in Colorado. 37 inches of snow in 24 hours at the summit, at times it was snowing four inches an hour. Snorkel skiing, we like to call it. That day, deepest snow I’ve ever skied in my life. I’ll never forget.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:46:00pm

God Has Been Using Racehorses To Speak to Mark Taylor About Plans To Execute Democrats (Right Wing Watch)

Mark Taylor (the so-called “firefighter prophet”) weighs in.

Mark Taylor, the so-called “firefighter prophet” and radical conspiracy theorist who is the subject of a new movie premiering this week, appeared on Chris McDonald’s “The Mc Files” program on Friday, where he again asserted that opposition to Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh is all about trying to prevent President Trump from establishing military tribunals in order to prosecute and execute Democratic leaders like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

“This has everything to do with military tribunals, them being charged with treason, and them going to prison for the rest of their lives and some being executed,” he said.

(more)

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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:46:15pm

re: #198 freetoken

….
And the wealth transfer that is accelerating under cover of the Trump circus is a very troubling thing.

The GOP Congress is not just AWOL on important economic issues, but they strike me as being fatalistic, willing to chuck out the whole idea of the broad interests of society for a feudal state.

Do not characterize the GOP Congress as fatalistic — they are enthusiastic supporters at shredding the social safety net and concentrating wealth in the hands of those who are already wealthy — especially those in old industries. They are not fans of the new wealth of those in the tech industry who are not devout Republicans.

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Belafon  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:47:21pm

re: #196 jaunte

re: #210 jaunte

Just needs to be the reply to every Graham tweet:

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:47:50pm

Consider the mindlessness of what gets passed out as advice or journalism:

Fed’s interest-rate hikes mean different things to different age groups

[…]

Savers are finally earning more on their cash — if only just a bit.

The national rate for a 12-month CD is 0.45 percent, according to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. That sounds like a pittance of interest, but it’s double the rate from a couple of years ago.

Rates for longer-term CDs are also rising, and the national rate for a five-year CD is up to 1.11 percent from 0.87 percent a year ago.

Such low figures mean many savers still aren’t keeping up with inflation, but analysts expect rates to continue trending higher. Savers can also typically find better rates at online banks than at traditional ones — they sometimes even match the rate of inflation, which was 2.7 percent last month. For a three-year CD, several online banks offer rates at that level or slightly higher.

[…]

That is all a bunch of misdirection.

Getting 1.11% on a CD is nothing when retailers like Amazon are doing double digit price increases.

To write that a 1.11% CD is something good in the face of what we’re facing, and about to face, is laughable.

And housing is once again experience a speculator’s boom, at least around here. Rental prices are skyrocketing. House flipping is sneaking back into the social milieu. As real estate prices go up, all of a sudden someone with a mortgage will find that lenders are all too eager to lend them money based on their “equity”.

And then with the outlandishly ballooning deficits thanks to the GOP, the markets will eventually drive up the cost of borrowing for the government, and this will be countered by more currency devaluation.

Anyone who is retired, or near retirement, who voted for Trump and the GOP chose to slit their own throats and those of tens of millions of other Americans with either fixed incomes or restricted earning potential.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:50:10pm

re: #203 teleskiguy

The keyboardist of my favorite touring rock ‘n’ roll circus reads my tweets!

*squee*

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freetoken  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:50:14pm

re: #213 Hecuba’s daughter

Do not characterize the GOP Congress as fatalistic — …

But they are fatalistic, or pretend to be so in order to deceive their fundamentalist constituents.

They just don’t believe in making the world or our nation-state a better place. All they care about is getting a bigger piece of the action before it all burns down.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:50:53pm

re: #193 freetoken

I’m becoming increasingly bothered by the inflation that is picking up.

Somehow our political attention has missed this.

I’m seeing in both everyday items and the major expenses (housing) prices are skyrocketing.

Hidden by national-average statistics, regional and local changes to prices can vary greatly from a national average.

The Fed raising interest rates might do something to rein in inflation, but doesn’t do crap for my fixed income.

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Skip Intro  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:51:01pm

re: #215 freetoken

Tie up your money for 5 years and get a YUUUGE 1.11% return. The deal of the century.

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:51:44pm
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meteor  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:53:50pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:54:36pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:55:12pm

re: #189 Anymouse 🌹

There is a metric fuquetonne of conservaderp and whataboutism in that thread.

Patty can handle it.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:55:20pm

re: #215 freetoken

I’m so old I remember getting 5.75% on a passbook savings account, and >6% on a CD.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:59:13pm

re: #220 gocart mozart

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Harry Nilsson - Coconut (1971)

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danarchy  Oct 1, 2018 • 7:59:19pm

re: #224 wheat-dogg

I’m so old I remember getting 5.75% on a passbook savings account, and >6% on a CD.

Yeah, but that means you probably remember when mortgage rates were 18%+ too

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:01:01pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:01:25pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:01:33pm

re: #224 wheat-dogg

I’m so old I remember getting 5.75% on a passbook savings account, and >6% on a CD.

And during the early 1980’s, my husband and I had a 5 year CD with 12% interest! Of course, mortgage interest rates were 15-18% at that time

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:03:16pm

re: #224 wheat-dogg

I’m so old I remember getting 5.75% on a passbook savings account, and >6% on a CD.

And paying 14% on a mortgage

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:04:20pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:05:50pm
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dangerman  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:05:58pm

Hey remember that while all this nonsense is going on with kav and the FBI, there’s a guy named Mueller who just keeps on…

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wheat-dogg  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:05:58pm

re: #226 danarchy

Yeah, but that means you probably remember when mortgage rates were 18%+ too

Well, I didn’t have a mortgage when I was 8, so no.

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thecommodore  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:06:57pm
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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:07:39pm
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Jason Munro  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:08:01pm

re: #233 dangerman

Really hoping to hear more from him sooner than later. If there is a later.

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:08:06pm

re: #234 wheat-dogg

Well, I didn’t have a mortgage when I was 8, so no.

I had a mortgage when you were 8

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gocart mozart  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:08:12pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:09:29pm
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dangerman  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:10:02pm

re: #237 Jason Munro

Really hoping to hear more from him sooner than later. If there is a later.

I am not concerned
He has shown to be the smartest so far
I am sure he has contingency plans in place

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:11:24pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:12:46pm

re: #234 wheat-dogg

Well, I didn’t have a mortgage when I was 8, so no.

I was briefly selling real estate in like ‘77, ‘78. None of our tables that calculated payments went above 10% interest. We threw them all out; figuring they’d never be any use again.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:13:01pm

re: #234 wheat-dogg

Well, I didn’t have a mortgage when I was 8, so no.

fred.stlouisfed.org

This chart only goes back to 1971, but the 18% peak rate happened a few years after I graduated college. Banking deregulations, which allowed banks to abandon the 5%-6% savings interest rates AND raise mortgage rates were passed in 1980.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:14:07pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:14:18pm

re: #230 dangerman

And paying 14% on a mortgage

We actually purchased a house through owner-financing for 5 years at 10.5%. Many people who tried to sell their house at that time also had to become bankers, lending money at a below market rate. In a couple years, we were able to refinance with a conventional mortgage at 10.75% — and thought we were fortunate.

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calochortus  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:18:35pm

I’m not on line for a few hours and things have gotten even crazier. I’m taking to drink. It seems reasonable under the circumstances.

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teleskiguy  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:19:19pm

re: #247 calochortus

I’m not on line for a few hours and things have gotten even crazier. I’m taking to drink. It seems reasonable under the circumstances.

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Anymouse 🌹  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:19:54pm

re: #246 Hecuba’s daughter

We actually purchased a house through owner-financing for 5 years at 10.5%. Many people who tried to sell their house at that time also had to become bankers, lending money at a below market rate. In a couple years, we were able to refinance with a conventional mortgage at 10.75% — and thought we were fortunate.

We wound up selling our house in Oklahoma at auction; my wife took a significant loss on the property from when she purchased it.

On the other hand, we used the sale money to pay cash for our house here. (That also left us a place to store our stuff while we finalised the sale here … we didn’t have to get a storage facility or warehouse.)

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dangerman  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:20:11pm

Quinnipiac via cnn

Overall, 48% of respondents oppose Kavanaugh’s confirmation, up from 42% who said the same in early September. Opposition among female voters is higher, with 55% opposing his confirmation, a jump from 47% before the hearing

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:21:50pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:25:19pm
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calochortus  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:29:22pm

re: #150 mmmirele

He’s not running for re-election, but he’s in Manchester, NH giving a speech tonight. Arizona politicians don’t usually show up in New Hampshire unless they have presidential aspirations.

Word on the street is that Flake wants to position himself as “Not Trump” in 2020.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:30:01pm

It is officially ‘Pumpkin Spice’ season

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:30:11pm

re: #252 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“…Kavanaugh is asked if the ralphing pertained to drinking. He replies that he likes beer, which is irrelevant, because lots of people like beer and yet aren’t given prizes for Outstanding Contributions to Vomiting.”
currentaffairs.org

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Interesting Times  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:31:18pm

*sigh* -_-

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:31:39pm

Go to hell Megyn Kelly.

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wheat-dogg  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:33:57pm

re: #257 DodgerFan1988

Didn’t she accuse her employer of doing exactly that to her?

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jaunte  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:35:58pm
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fern01  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:38:00pm

re: #238 dangerman

I had a mortgage when you were 8

So did I - but it wasn’t 18% - only 17.9%.

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Single-handed sailor  Oct 1, 2018 • 8:39:04pm

re: #258 wheat-dogg

Didn’t she accuse her employer of doing exactly that to her?

She lied obviously, otherwise she’d believe other women.

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steve_davis  Oct 2, 2018 • 3:17:07am

re: #219 Skip Intro

Tie up your money for 5 years and get a YUUUGE 1.11% return. The deal of the century.

there are plenty of places where a 5 year cd makes 3%. i don’t mess with cd’s because a) the rate of inflation is higher than the yield and b) returns get counted as income, making the effective return even worse, but things aren’t quite as dire as they’re presented.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:07:26am

re: #14 makeitstop

I know the guy is on the right side of the Kavanaugh testimony, but…

Chad Ludington? SRSLY??

Biff and Buffy were busy at the time.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 2, 2018 • 7:30:02am

re: #90 piratedan

I was going to draw the line at Milli Vanilli because I felt like Scritti Politti was too obscure….

If Milli Vanilli fell in the forest, would someone else make a noise?

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CriticalDragon1177  Oct 2, 2018 • 8:32:44am

Charles Johnson,

Looks like something did indeed come out of that FBI investigation after all. Maybe this will be enough to get justice for Christine Blasey Ford and keep Kavanaugh from getting nominated to the highest court in the land. This really makes him look guilty to all but perhaps his most blind apologists.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  Oct 2, 2018 • 6:28:58pm

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