Great Segment From Rachel Maddow: White House Struggles to Clean Up After Trump’s Incoherent Spectacle at G7

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Seeing all of Trump’s G7 insanity laid out like this is really something. He’s just laying waste to the reputation of the US and the office of the presidency.

Rachel Maddow reviews a string of a string of instances from the G7 summit in which Donald Trump said something false, or self-contradictory, or simply absurd, making himself a global laughing stock, compromising the credibility of the United States on the world stage, and leaving the White House scrambling to offer corrections and clarifications.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:17:32pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:18:38pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

Point 1: The prospective student would _already_ have been vetted, much more formally and including social media, by the State Dept to get his visa in the first place. This was an ad-hoc decision by a petty functionary

and one who knew that current policy would support his petty decision

as I understand, these “anti-American posts” were not even the student’s own, but just appeared on his timeline.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:21:53pm

Man, seeing all of Trump’s G7 insanity laid out like this is really something.

He’s just laying waste to the reputation of the US.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:23:42pm

The American press and the general American political climate has adapted to start to see Trump as sine sort of normal, but when he gets overseas, his level of insanity really stands out.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:23:45pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:24:32pm

Jesus, he looks and sounds like he’s been on a 72-hour bender. Seriously, he’s not well.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:27:03pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:29:40pm

re: #4 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The American press and the general American political climate has adapted to start to see Trump as sine sort of normal, but when he gets overseas, his level of insanity really stands out.

It’s just exhaustion here at this point, really. I’ve had to really step back from watching news and reading blogs on the internet, because it has been affecting my health & sanity.

I say this as a former wire editor for a daily newspaper, who cut his teeth having to read & track about 1,000 stories a day, and pick out the ones that should make the limited news hole.

I. Just. Can’t.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:30:30pm

Arrivederci all!! My last posting for at least a week — heading off to Italy this evening…

Hope the nation is still standing when I return next week.

Have a good week all!

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:32:49pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

Arrivederci all!! My last posting for at least a week — heading off to Italy this evening…

Hope the nation is still standing when I return next week.

Have a good week all!

Have a lovely, safe trip. Try the veal!

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:35:59pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

Arrivederci all!! My last posting for at least a week — heading off to Italy this evening…

Hope the nation is still standing when I return next week.

Have a good week all!

Im jealous; I never got to Italy when in Europe. Enjoy the art and listen to a little Vivaldi for me

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:38:52pm

can you say area/square miles
oh, and latitude, can you say latitude?

there’s a reason why there arent a lot of tropical rainforests in europe or other places that arent…tropical

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:39:46pm

A worthwhile read about the latest Bret Stephens nonsense.

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:40:00pm

re: #2 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and one who knew that current policy would support his petty decision

as I understand, these “anti-American posts” were not even the student’s own, but just appeared on his timeline.

we dont want you
just tell us who some of your friends are

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:40:58pm

re: #12 DangerMan

can you say area/square miles
oh, and latitude, can you say latitude?

there’s a reason why there arent a lot of tropical rainforests in europe or other places that arent…tropical

He is framing this as liberal European socialist/colonialist/rootless cosmopolitan elites wanting to impose their policy on a sovereign nation.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:41:53pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:42:01pm

re: #14 DangerMan

we dont want you
just tell us who some of your friends are

and that is the sick part…they can keep people out of the country by posing as friends and posting things on their FB feed…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:44:49pm

Trump’s disapproval hits 54% at 538, highest in awhile; he’s now 12.5 pts underwater. As long as most of the people who bolted the Democrats for Stein or Johnson come home, Trump can’t win legally. The funny thing is if he could quit tweeting and talking and knock off the disastrous trade war Trump could probably coast to reelection on the economy. But if Trump could control himself, he would’ve already done it. projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:46:57pm

re: #15 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is framing this as liberal European socialist/colonialist/rootless cosmopolitan elites wanting to impose their policy on a sovereign nation.

yeah well they dont want to take over*
they want to help put the damn fires out and replant

* - i mean presumably trump isnt trying to buy the forest at a discount because, you know, it’s on fire right now

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:47:39pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Man, seeing all of Trump’s G7 insanity laid out like this is really something.

He’s just laying waste to the reputation of the US.

Before Trump barely anyone gave a single thought about Article 4 of the 25th Amendment. Now it is a daily nagging necessity. And evil enablers will do nothing about it.

Rest assured, we are talking about evil people.

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Interesting Times  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:47:41pm

re: #18 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The funny thing is if he could quit tweeting and talking and knock off the disastrous trade war Trump could probably coast to reelection on the economy.

Still a searing indictment of America that will remain a problem even if you get rid of trump - enough voters are A-OK with brutal fascism as long as the trains run on time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:48:03pm

re: #19 DangerMan

yeah well they dont want to take over*
they want to help put the damn fires out and replant

* - i mean presumably trump isnt trying to buy the forest at a discount because, you know, it’s on fire right now

That is just how Bolsonaro is selling his intransigence. To him, forest is there for us to do with whatever we want

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austin_blue  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:48:17pm

re: #19 DangerMan

yeah well they dont want to take over*
they want to help put the damn fires out and replant

* - i mean presumably trump isnt trying to buy the forest at a discount because, you know, it’s on fire right now

We should them a plane-load of rakes.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:49:05pm

re: #18 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The funny thing is if he could quit tweeting and talking and knock off the disastrous trade war Trump could probably coast to reelection on the economy. But if Trump could control himself, he would’ve already done it.

Trump is his own worst enemy, quite frankly. He just can’t ever sit down and shut the fuck up - it’s simply not in his nature. Just like he lies constantly, even about the most petty and trivial things.

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:49:11pm

HEY! i just had a thought (i get em sometimes).

what if we all started calling trump a bedbug?

would he delete his twitter account?

i mean, if that’s the protocol…

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:49:40pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

Arrivederci all!! My last posting for at least a week — heading off to Italy this evening…

Hope the nation is still standing when I return next week.

Have a good week all!

Say hello to Tuscany for me!

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:52:05pm

re: #21 Interesting Times

Still a searing indictment of America that will remain a problem even if you get rid of trump - enough voters are A-OK with brutal fascism as long as the trains run on time.

….and they arent the ones herded on them

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:53:10pm

re: #23 austin_blue

Today’s modern right wing world leadership is increasingly relying on economic magical thinking, crass greed over altruism, concentration camps and dead immigrants, and nuclear bombs to solve that hurricane problem.

I’m not for certain we can live through this era of Early 2000’s Era of Fascism.

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 12:57:31pm

when people write “let’s make this a meme” or “help this go viral” misses an important aspect of how these ideas work

you cant will, want, or direct this stuff to happen.

to be authentic and to have staying power, they have to be organic (as it were)

they evolve naturally. not because you think you’re clever and you want it to, and by gosh it just should be popular!

two very good recent examples:

this bret stephens thing
‘moscow mitch’

(anyone seriously hear ‘leningrad lindsay’ any more?)

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:01:15pm

re: #21 Interesting Times

Still a searing indictment of America that will remain a problem even if you get rid of trump - enough voters are A-OK with brutal fascism as long as the trains run on time.

I work with those people.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:02:34pm

re: #29 DangerMan

‘leningrad lindsay’ violates one of the rules of names, that words shouldn’t have more than two syllables. It’s the same reason the Diamonbacks get named the D-backs.

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Interesting Times  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:02:56pm

re: #30 Belafon

I work with those people.

My condolences :(

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:05:15pm

re: #30 Belafon

I work with those people.

Thank God almost all of the people I work with at the hotel are sane.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:05:16pm

RIP
Stevie Ray Vaughn died on this day in 1990.

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:08:56pm

per NYT:

the economy’s performance is not much different than it was under Mr. Obama and far short of what Mr. Trump pledged.

from Colbert:

TRUMP on the Obama economy…… “I inherited a mess….. it’s a mess.”

COLBERT…… “No, you inherited a fortune. We elected a mess.”

YouTube

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:12:26pm

—-

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:13:57pm
“A new Missouri ban on abortions at or after eight weeks of pregnancy won’t take effect Wednesday after a federal judge temporarily blocked it from being implemented,” the AP reports.

“The law includes exceptions for medical emergencies, but not for rape or incest. If courts don’t uphold the eight-week ban, the measure includes a series of less-restrictive bans ranging from 14 weeks up to 20 weeks.”

maybe President Carter is smiling today.
Judge Howard Sachs is a Carter appointee. He’s 93 yrs old.

Elections have consequences. Even decades later.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:14:05pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

RIP
Stevie Ray Vaughn died on this day in 1990.

I remember driving into work to the newspaper in NE Illinois that foggy morning.

It really sucked.

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:18:36pm

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

RIP
Stevie Ray Vaughn died on this day in 1990.

always liked him
saw him once in concert in NY. found him better on lp’s

what a poorly made decision by the pilot (ultimately). get-home-itis indeed.

on time and dead vs late and alive. no brainer

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:21:08pm
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jaunte  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:21:30pm

re: #40 gocart mozart

GAH

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:30:19pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:31:30pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:34:19pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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My question is does FNC do this propaganda for free or do Doocy and the Fox fiends get paid?

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:35:06pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

Steve Doocy dismisses criticism that Trump is violating the emoluments clause: “I’m sure the president has asked the lawyers, ‘hey, how can I donate this, how can we possibly work around it?’”

whether he has or not, he never seems to donate anything he promises to

remember how he was gonna donate all the hotel profits
then it got ‘too hard to calculate’
and for some reason they couldnt do an estimate
so he donated zero

the man’s a pig

also, cf the recently demised trump foundation

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:35:53pm
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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:36:18pm

re: #43 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The Amazon Cannot Be Recovered Once It’s Gone.
The fires blazing in Brazil are part of a larger deforestation crisis, accelerated by President Jair Bolsonaro.

theatlantic.com

people like him and trump literally do not care
they’ll be long dead and gone
and neither is worried about any afterlife retribution

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:40:48pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:47:51pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:50:13pm

GASLIGHTING

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:50:20pm

re: #49 The Pie Overlord!

So let’s be clear. This has nothing to do with Jews. It’s pure Islamophobia.

When they can sell their Islamophobia as “solidarity with Israel” they see it as a bit political win…

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:50:54pm

it’s that last bold at the bottom that says it all
you either support trump or you support lgbt rights. you can’t do both

Log Cabin executive director resigns over Trump endorsement

The executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans has resigned following a controversial decision by the organization’s board to endorse President Trump, the Washington Blade has learned exclusively.
….
The resignation follows intense criticism of Log Cabin, which announced its support for Trump earlier this month without its members having met with him or having received any explicit commitments in exchange.

Sources said Henry’s discontent with Trump and dissatisfaction with Log Cabin’s approach to defending its Trump endorsement in the media were key among her reasons for stepping down.

Henry’s name was not signed to the op-ed in the Washington Post endorsing Trump, which was signed by Log Cabin board chair Robert Kabel and vice chair Jill Homan. The op-ed was largely based on the Trump administration’s stated global initiative to decriminalize homosexuality and an HIV/AIDS plan — both of which have yet to yield any results.

Sources say disagreements about the direction of Log Cabin — with some wanting to pursue pro-LGBT policy goals, while others wanted to support Trump — led to a decision to prohibit Henry from speaking publicly for the group.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:51:00pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

My question is does FNC do this propaganda for free or do Doocy and the Fox fiends get paid?

they do it for the opportunity of asskissing

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:52:04pm

re: #52 DangerMan

it’s that last bold at the bottom that says it all
you either support trump or you support lgbt rights. you can’t do both

Log Cabin executive director resigns over Trump endorsement

Trump uber alles.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:53:24pm

re: #43 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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the loss of the Amazon rainforest is right up there with the melting of the glaciers and permafrost, and the superwarming of the Arctic.

This is a trifecta of runaway ecological disaster.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:55:18pm

re: #50 The Pie Overlord!

GASLIGHTING

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LOL, that’s when Macron grabbed the moron’s hand in a deathgrip and then a deathgrip on the moron’s wrist when he tried to get away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:56:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:58:34pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m waiting for MRAs to propose we (men) need to reproduce asexually.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2019 • 1:59:20pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Erm, wasn’t She-Hulk always a woman??

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:00:23pm

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

Erm, wasn’t She-Hulk always a woman??

strong women terrify them

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:01:34pm

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

strong women terrify them

FTFY

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:01:49pm

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

strong women terrify them

I know. Me? I love badass women. I think we need more of them.

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:02:32pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

I’m waiting for MRAs to propose we (men) need to reproduce asexually.

I’m reminded of a novel in the Vorkosigan Universe called “Ethan of Athos” about a guy from a xenophobic planet of only men who has to go out into the big bad nexus to find new ovary cultures for their reproduction system. The few pervert “Heteros” are expected to be celibate :)

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gwangung  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:03:05pm

re: #60 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

strong women terrify them

Strong women who are sexually active (and not with them) terrify them.

(Although, I sympathize with those preferring the lawyerly-fourth wall breaking version over the more PTSD-touched iteration….it’s a more unique expression of the character).

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:04:03pm

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

I know. Me? I love badass women. I think we need more of them.

Cute, Single MD from my hometown stayed at the hotel last night. That’s a strong as it gets :) She’ll be here again in October - I should ask about dinner :LOL:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:04:32pm

ICYMI: The August issue of National Geographic has this really great article:
The first Europeans weren’t who you might think

Those master race white Europeans are in for a huge wakeup call.

It also explains why some (perhaps many/most) of us “white Europeans” aren’t so pure white after all when we get out 23&Me/Ancestry results.

The idea that there were once “pure” populations of ancestral Europeans, there since the days of woolly mammoths, has inspired ideologues since well before the Nazis. It has long nourished white racism, and in recent years it has stoked fears about the impact of immigrants: fears that have threatened to rip apart the European Union and roiled politics in the United States.

Now scientists are delivering new answers to the question of who Europeans really are and where they came from. Their findings suggest that the continent has been a melting pot since the Ice Age. Europeans living today, in whatever country, are a varying mix of ancient bloodlines hailing from Africa, the Middle East, and the Russian steppe.

SPOILER: “pure Europeans” would be Neanderthals and they couldn’t hold off the “invaders” from Africa, the Middle East, and Russia/Siberia.

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:04:32pm

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

Erm, wasn’t She-Hulk always a woman??

im sure she always identified as one

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:05:36pm

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

I know. Me? I love badass women. I think we need more of them.

I’ve told myself if I ever had a daughter, I’d name her after my Irish born great great great grandmothers. The one spoke only Irish, went from rural Ireland to Pittsburgh, survived the worst of the famine and the other raised several children as a widow in Glasgow and then Cleveland. The name would be Bridget Lillie or Lillie Bridget. They were my Great Nana whom was Mary Lillie’s Nana’s.

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:06:16pm

re: #65 William Lewis

Cute, Single MD from my hometown stayed at the hotel last night. That’s a strong as it gets :) She’ll be here again in October - I should ask about dinner :LOL:

nothing happens if you dont ask

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:07:12pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

ICYMI: The August issue of National Geographic has this really great article:
The first Europeans weren’t who you might think

Those master race white Europeans are in for a huge wakeup call.

It also explains why some (perhaps many/most) of us “white Europeans” aren’t so pure white after all when we get out 23&Me/Ancestry results.

SPOILER: “pure Europeans” would be Neanderthals and they couldn’t hold off the “invaders” from Africa, the Middle East, and Russia/Siberia.

I’m proud of being a mutt. I have no idea what my descendants will look alike but I don’t care.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:07:38pm

OT personal project stuff:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:08:16pm

re: #63 William Lewis

I’m reminded of a novel in the Vorkosigan Universe called “Ethan of Athos” about a guy from a xenophobic planet of only men who has to go out into the big bad nexus to find new ovary cultures for their reproduction system. The few pervert “Heteros” are expected to be celibate :)

For some reason, my brain parsed this as “Volkswagen Universe”.

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:08:25pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

ICYMI: The August issue of National Geographic has this really great article:
The first Europeans weren’t who you might think

Those master race white Europeans are in for a huge wakeup call.

It also explains why some (perhaps many/most) of us “white Europeans” aren’t so pure white after all when we get out 23&Me/Ancestry results.

SPOILER: “pure Europeans” would be Neanderthals and they couldn’t hold off the “invaders” from Africa, the Middle East, and Russia/Siberia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:08:55pm

I’m actually stupidly pleased with my DNA results: higher than usual percentage of Neanderthal, and genetic links to all three migrations into Europe.

I am such a complete mutt and love it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:10:24pm

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

For some reason, my brain parsed this as “Volkswagen Universe”.

I parsed it as Vogon Universe, complete with dreadful poetry

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:11:09pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I’m proud of being a mutt. I have no idea what my descendants will look alike but I don’t care.

we gotta switch movies after this

YouTube

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:11:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:11:38pm

re: #76 DangerMan

we gotta switch movies after this

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Video

I love that movie

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:13:13pm

re: #77 DodgerFan1988

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Fucking hypocritical douches.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:18:15pm
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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:18:47pm

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

I love that movie

favorite line is in the general’s house
trunk lid at the foot of the bed opens
murray says “well, that was interesting
deadpan. i love deadpan

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:19:43pm

re: #81 DangerMan

favorite line is in the general’s house
trunk lid at the foot of the bed opens
murray says “well, that was interesting
deadpan. i love deadpan

the boot camp graduation drill was pretty good, too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:21:17pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:22:07pm

If you love Bill Murray, you owe it yourself to watch The Man Who Knew Too Little. He is absolutely amazing in it.

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:23:47pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

The 2nd Circuit hasn’t ruled yet on whether House Dems can enforce the subpoena for whatever tax returns and other responsive records Deutsche Bank has — after hearing arguments, the court had asked the banks if they had docs, and they filed responses

i wonder

“The bank, in its filing Tuesday, argued that there are ‘statutory, contractual, and privacy concerns’ that have made it reluctant to name whose tax returns it has that would fall under the spring 2019 House subpoena.”

can you write a contract that precludes a subpoena from the US House of Representatives?
im thinking not
and so what they’re concerned about is the backlash after - ie the civil suits from the individuals, if they comply

and to that i say tough
you chose to do business with the family
those risks are on you

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:24:23pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

the boot camp graduation drill was pretty good, too.

‘that’s the fact , jack’

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:33:08pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

ICYMI: The August issue of National Geographic has this really great article:
The first Europeans weren’t who you might think

Those master race white Europeans are in for a huge wakeup call.

It also explains why some (perhaps many/most) of us “white Europeans” aren’t so pure white after all when we get out 23&Me/Ancestry results.

SPOILER: “pure Europeans” would be Neanderthals and they couldn’t hold off the “invaders” from Africa, the Middle East, and Russia/Siberia.

Invention of the paved road and the sail ended “pure” anything. Humans always screwed anyone they meet.

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:35:29pm

re: #81 DangerMan

favorite line is in the general’s house
trunk lid at the foot of the bed opens
murray says “well, that was interesting
deadpan. i love deadpan

The obstacle course in the movie is the one all trainees run at Ft. Knox. It was a lot of fun but it was a bit of a humorous surprise when we marched up to it.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:41:20pm

If only radio in the US had as much scrutiny from right-wing propaganda machines and the Trump delusional train:

Home Office advert banned for misleading claims about EU citizens

The independent Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) has banned a radio advertisement from the Home Office about the process for EU citizens to apply to remain in the UK after Brexit.

The Home Office’s advert claimed the system is really simple. The ASA decided otherwise […]

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:43:21pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Fucking hypocritical douches.

Bret didn’t have a problem with conservatives calling undocumented immigrants cockroaches. He called it “free speech.”

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Dread Pirate  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:45:23pm

Two feeds for the Starhopper test.

YouTube

YouTube

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:45:30pm

Lre: #90 DodgerFan1988

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Bret didn’t have a problem with conservatives calling undocumented immigrants cockroaches. He called it “free speech.”

Exactly. Typical wingnut fuckwad, loves to dish out shit but can’t take it in return.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:52:18pm

Methane flare, warning siren and SpaceX stream is live

150 Meter Starhopper Test

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:53:37pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Invention of the paved road and the sail ended “pure” anything. Humans always screwed anyone they meet.

in this particular scenario it was the wheel and the horse, via the Yamnaya from the Steppes

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:55:04pm

T-minus 2 minutes

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:55:24pm

re: #95 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

T-minus 2 minutes

and holding

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:56:26pm

Populism in Trumpian America sneaks into everywhere:

NASA Administrator Says Pluto Is Still a Planet, And Things Are Getting Heated

[…]

But not everyone agreed with the International Astronomical Union’s ruling - and now NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine has added his voice to the chorus declaring support for Pluto’s membership in the Solar System Planet Club.

“Just so you know, in my view, Pluto is a planet,” he said during a tour of the Aerospace Engineering Sciences Building at the University of Colorado Boulder.

“You can write that the NASA Administrator declared Pluto a planet once again. I’m sticking by that, it’s the way I learnt it, and I’m committed to it.”

[…]

Sure, there are scientists who would still like Pluto to be officially designated a “planet”, but the argument is never, ever based on “it’s the way I learnt it”.

Everything, and I mean everything, that Trump has touched will need to be fixed when he is out of office.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:57:07pm
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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 2:57:48pm

re: #98 Charles Johnson

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Mescalero09  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:00:20pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:00:52pm

clock is counting down

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:01:34pm

Sound suppression water spray

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:02:42pm

FLYING

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:02:47pm

good fucking grief…he’s an eejit

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:03:06pm

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

in this particular scenario it was the wheel and the horse, via the Yamnaya from the Steppes

Yeah, It’s a slow process. We’re still driving roads to some “pure” peoples in the Amazon. Oh… wait…

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EPR-radar  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:03:10pm

re: #52 DangerMan

The Log Cabin Republicans always have been a bunch of Quislings. Trump is just making that more obvious than it used to be.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:03:45pm

TOUCH DOWN

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:04:38pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…he’s an eejit

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:06:33pm

speaking of eejits

and he’s jealous of Warren’s rally crowd size

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:08:05pm

re: #108 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Because Denmark said it’s not for fucking sale, you inbred moron.

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HappyWarrior  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:08:20pm

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

speaking of eejits

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He’s jelly.

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A Cranky One  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:08:36pm

re: #108 Joe Bacon 🌹

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The whole concept of consent, of course.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:13:25pm

re: #112 A Cranky One

The whole concept of consent, of course.

Cuts both ways. For a couple million we could back the Inuit Liberation Front. Give em some flags and tell them to wait for Liberation Day.

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stpaulbear  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:17:16pm

re: #107 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

EXTRA POINT!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:18:25pm

“Alaska used to belong to Russia. Florida used to belong to Spain. The U.S. Virgin Islands used to be called the “Danish West Indies.”

But supposedly it’s off-limits to discuss acquiring Greenland from the Danes today.”

It’s not off limits you fucking idiot. We discussed it. Denmark said: “No, fuck off”.

WHAT PART OF THIS DO YOU NOT GET?!?!

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:20:23pm
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Jay C  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:24:11pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

Cuts both ways. For a couple million we could back the Inuit Liberation Front. Give em some flags and guns and tell them to wait for Liberation Day.

Gotta support our export markets…..

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:27:10pm

re: #117 Jay C

Gotta support our export markets…..

Interesting question. Gun ownership is 22.3%, more to do with polar bears than watering trees of liberty.

gunpolicy.org

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:31:56pm

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:32:21pm

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Interesting question. Gun ownership is 22.3%, more to do with polar bears than watering trees of liberty.

gunpolicy.org

I believe they are also used for seal hunting which is a major source of food for the local population.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:35:43pm

re: #120 William Lewis

I believe they are also used for seal hunting which is a major source of food for the local population.

And a major relief to the halibut. (Shrimp is their biggest fish export. Didn’t know that.)
climategreenland.gl

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Dread Pirate  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:41:41pm
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sagehen  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:42:01pm

re: #97 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Populism in Trumpian America sneaks into everywhere:

NASA Administrator Says Pluto Is Still a Planet, And Things Are Getting Heated

Sure, there are scientists who would still like Pluto to be officially designated a “planet”, but the argument is never, ever based on “it’s the way I learnt it”.

It’s because Neil DeGrasse Tyson is black.

Also, because he’s appeared many times on Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert’s TV shows.

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Cheechako  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:44:09pm

Has anyone heard from Anymouse? Looks like he’s been MIA for more than 2 weeks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:46:46pm

re: #124 Cheechako

Has anyone heard from Anymouse? Looks like he’s been MIA for more than 2 weeks.

According to the LGF SuperComputer, he last posted on 8/20.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:46:47pm

re: #124 Cheechako

Has anyone heard from Anymouse? Looks like he’s been MIA for more than 2 weeks.

it’s been a week (his last posts were Tuesday, August 20).
Last he posted was that he was taking the Smart in for the annual 10,000 mile servicing, or something like that.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:47:59pm

re: #123 sagehen

It’s because Neil DeGrasse Tyson is black.

Also, because he’s appeared many times on Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert’s TV shows.

I’m an avowed Pluto-chauvinist. It’s a kind of joke nostalgia, since what we call Pluto will not alter its orbit by a second.

(I really, really, like NDGT, evil as his nomenclature may be.)

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Cheechako  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:48:34pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s been a week (his last posts were Tuesday, August 20).
Last he posted was that he was taking the Smart in for the annual 10,000 mile servicing, or something like that.

Thanks

C

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:52:36pm
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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:53:27pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s been a week (his last posts were Tuesday, August 20).
Last he posted was that he was taking the Smart in for the annual 10,000 mile servicing, or something like that.

He may well be mad again too. The last couple of times I saw him he wasn’t happy with some folks not immediately agreeing with him that Facebook & Twitter are the ULTIMATE EBIL!!! destroying America.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:54:06pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Before I came here, I rated a dozen or so sites R-L. Politico, and even more The Hill, are crypto-right.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:54:59pm

more Barlow in the thread

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:58:11pm

I know it’s the Intercept, but…

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:58:44pm

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

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more Barlow in the thread

“Pipistrella” for “bat” is why the Italian language will always dominate opera.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 3:59:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:06:03pm

yes, please…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:12:14pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:12:24pm

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I have already predicted that if Warren wins the Dem nomination, the debate will go something like this:

WARREN: Talks about her plans

TRUMP: Gets up, stalks around behind her. “Poca-Poca-Poca-hontas!”

WARREN: *plans*

TRUMP: *Does a “war dance,”* Woo-woo-woo-woo!

WARREN: *plans* (but gives him the evil eye)

TRUMP: Ooooh she’s on the warpath! Pocahontas is on the warpath!

WARREN (in best schoolmarm voice): Sit down, it’s not your turn!

TRUMP: Oooooh she wanna scalp me! She’s gotta tomahawk somewhere!

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:14:41pm

re: #138 The Pie Overlord!

There will not be a single debate.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:17:00pm

re: #139 Ace Rothstein

There will not be a single debate.

There will be debates, but without trump.

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Targetpractice  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:18:27pm

Remember that Donny swore he wouldn’t participate in any debates back in 2016 if the media wouldn’t be “fair” to him. Expect to hear something similar as we get closer to next fall.

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:18:28pm

re: #138 The Pie Overlord!

I have already predicted that if Warren wins the Dem nomination, the debate will go something like this:

WARREN: Talks about her plans

TRUMP: Gets up, stalks around behind her. “Poca-Poca-Poca-hontas!”

WARREN: *plans*

TRUMP: *Does a “war dance,”* Woo-woo-woo-woo!

WARREN: *plans* (but gives him the evil eye)

TRUMP: Ooooh she’s on the warpath! Pocahontas is on the warpath!

WARREN (in best schoolmarm voice): Sit down, it’s not your turn!

TRUMP: Oooooh she wanna scalp me! She’s gotta tomahawk somewhere!

Warren: Scalp? Oh no. My tribe castrates enemies. Want me to show you?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:19:14pm

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

Jesus, he looks and sounds like he’s been on a 72-hour bender. Seriously, he’s not well.

People keep saying that and he keeps not dying.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:20:53pm

re: #142 William Lewis

Warren: Scalp? Oh no. My tribe castrates enemies. Want me to show you?

that would be Joni Ernst’s tribe…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:22:02pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:26:43pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…he’s an eejit

But supposedly it’s off-limits to discuss acquiring Greenland from the Danes today?

Actually, yes.

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:30:10pm

re: #130 William Lewis

He may well be mad again too. The last couple of times I saw him he wasn’t happy with some folks not immediately agreeing with him that Facebook & Twitter are the ULTIMATE EBIL!!! destroying America.

It is.

And he was here after that.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:32:49pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:34:31pm

“Black people in America used to belong to white people. But supposedly it’s off limits to discuss purchasing slaves today?

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:38:15pm

re: #149 Blind Frog Belly White

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“Black people in America used to belong to white people. But supposedly it’s off limits to discuss purchasing slaves today?

Good God, don’t respond with that. He’ll start legislation to make it happen.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:40:21pm

Greenland. Are conservatives thinking this through? (Stupid question they never do).

We buy Greenland and then what? They want to vote. They want to be a state. They don’t vote for republicans. Democrats get two more.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:41:20pm

Greenland IS NOT FOR US TO BUY.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:44:18pm

re: #152 Ace Rothstein

Greenland IS NOT FOR US TO BUY.

That’s what they said about Europa, and you saw how that worked out.

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:45:37pm

re: #151 I Would Prefer Not To

Greenland. Are conservatives thinking this through? (Stupid question they never do).

We buy Greenland and then what? They want to vote. They want to be a state. They don’t vote for republicans. Democrats get two more.

Isn’t that how Canada got out of being annexed? We (Canadian representative) told the Southerners that they’d get a bunch of papists in Quebec, a bunch of folks in the rest of Canada who are way more like northern States (anti-slavery) and, boom! All discussion went away.

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Dom  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:47:52pm

Not just shocked at the thought of Trump personally hosting the G7, he is flaunting his wares internationally while on American business. Is this what he is paid to do?!!!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:48:40pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

That’s what they said about Europa, and you saw how that worked out.

spacecraft on its way to plant a freaking flag…

and then the murders begin…

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Targetpractice  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:48:44pm

re: #151 I Would Prefer Not To

Greenland. Are conservatives thinking this through? (Stupid question they never do).

We buy Greenland and then what? They want to vote. They want to be a state. They don’t vote for republicans. Democrats get two more.

It would end up another Puerto Rico, with the question of statehood forever on the backburner while US “interests” are pursued at the expense of the natives.

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A Three Hour Tour  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:49:04pm

re: #147 MsJ

It is.

And he was here after that.

His last post appears to be around 3:12 AM Pacific on August 21st, when he said he was calling it a night after a long night of storms hitting his area.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:49:19pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:52:06pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

It would end up another Puerto Rico, with the question of statehood forever on the backburner while US “interests” are pursued at the expense of the natives.

The “natives” are not going to put up with this. Also, I don’t think they want to trade in their healthcare system for ours.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:52:46pm

re: #130 William Lewis

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:53:06pm

re: #158 A Three Hour Tour

His last post appears to be around 3:12 AM Pacific on August 21st, when he said he was calling it a night after a long night of storms hitting his area.

Someone might check the news to see if power is out in his area.

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Decatur Deb  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:53:06pm

re: #160 I Would Prefer Not To

The “natives” are not going to put up with this. Also, I don’t think they want to trade in their healthcare system for ours.

We could offer free Verizon for 6 months.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:54:00pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

We could offer free Verizon for 6 months.

“Your internet speeds are slower than ours, too.”

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:54:36pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Targetpractice  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:55:01pm

Republicans don’t want Greenland because they think the natives want to be American citizens, they want it because the Russians and Chinese have expressed interest in it. The fact that it’s sitting on what could prove to be a bonanza of natural resources waiting to be exploited has them trying hard not to be seen drooling.

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b.d.  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:56:06pm

Why don’t we buy Australia instead?

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b.d.  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:56:52pm

re: #167 b.d.

Why don’t we buy Australia instead?

Or Canada, that makes more sense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 4:59:36pm

re: #165 William Lewis

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:00:38pm
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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:00:56pm

Great read.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:05:19pm

The optics here are absolutely devastating. Whoever put this out is either unbelievably incompetent or is sabotaging Bernie’s campaign from within.

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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:05:21pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

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teleskiguy  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:07:04pm
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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:07:27pm

re: #170 gocart mozart

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Oh that’s beautiful. Tail end of the wet era so probably drawn from life rather than just memory.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:08:58pm

re: #173 William Lewis

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:10:48pm

re: #168 b.d.

Or Canada, that makes more sense.

I for one welcome our Canadian overlords.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:11:45pm

whine whine whine

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:13:32pm
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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:14:34pm

re: #139 Ace Rothstein

There will not be a single debate.

I sure hope you’re right.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:15:16pm

One is “Mr. Appalachian Trail” who was actually in Argentina for bad reasons….

Bad, as in banging a porn star.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:16:07pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:16:13pm

re: #180 Skip Intro

Trump’s people knows he’s a total dumbfuck, especially when it comes to policy which he knows absolutely nothing about. Why would he ever agree to something that’ll make him look terrible? I’d love to see it, don’t misunderstand.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:18:06pm

re: #183 Ace Rothstein

Trump’s people knows he’s a total dumbfuck, especially when it comes to policy which he knows absolutely nothing about. Why would he ever agree to something that’ll make him look terrible?

He thinks he “won” the debates with Clinton by chair-humping, stalking behind her and breathing down her neck as she was speaking, shouting “nasty woman!” while she explained her plan to sustain Medicare and Social Security.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:19:18pm

Is it too late in the thread to say FUCK TRUMP?

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:19:27pm

No dog whistles here folks. Move along, move along.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:20:22pm

re: #186 DodgerFan1988

Jesus, Dobbs looks like a corpse.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:20:38pm

re: #186 DodgerFan1988

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No dog whistles here folks. Move along, move along.

Can’t take my eyes off her eyes. Too much time in the tanning bed?

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:21:31pm

re: #181 I Would Prefer Not To

One is “Mr. Appalachian Trail” who was actually in Argentina for bad reasons….

Bad, as in banging a porn star.

Raw dog style!

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:22:28pm

re: #186 DodgerFan1988

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No dog whistles here folks. Move along, move along.

More like dog tornado sirens.

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:22:43pm

re: #187 Ace Rothstein

Jesus, Dobbs looks like a corpse.

We should be so lucky.

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:22:51pm

re: #183 Ace Rothstein

Trump’s people knows he’s a total dumbfuck, especially when it comes to policy which he knows absolutely nothing about. Why would he ever agree to something that’ll make him look terrible? I’d love to see it, don’t misunderstand.

Debates have NOTHING to do with policy. NOTHING. It will be Trump ignoring all the questions and attacking the Dem. The Dem then wastes their time trying to defend themself. Meanwhile, the “moderators” say and do nothing. Repeat for 90 minutes.

Don’t give him the airtime he wants. Just don’t do it.

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Targetpractice  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:23:45pm

re: #187 Ace Rothstein

Jesus, Dobbs looks like a corpse.

Selling your soul does that.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:24:35pm

re: #191 MsJ

We should be so lucky.

He can interview the Koch brothers in hell.

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:25:20pm

re: #184 The Pie Overlord!

He thinks he “won” the debates with Clinton by chair-humping, stalking behind her and breathing down her neck as she was speaking, shouting “nasty woman!” while she explained her plan to sustain Medicare and Social Security.

You don’t “debate” Trump, you defend yourself from him. Why not have the Dems just debate a monkey? The results will be the same.

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:26:56pm

re: #191 MsJ

We should be so lucky.

Yet they never die.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:27:00pm

Come, doggy, come! Good girl.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:27:28pm

While we’re recalling absent members, does anyone have any updates about wheatdogg?

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:28:04pm
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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:28:37pm

re: #196 Skip Intro

Yet they never die.

One did recently!

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:29:13pm

re: #197 GlutenFreeJesus

Come, doggy, come! Good girl.

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Well… She is a bitch. 😈

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:33:21pm

When I first heard the story, I thought it was for the pool boy. But, no no…nope… The personal trainer.

Unreal.

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PhillyPretzel  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:34:46pm

re: #199 MsJ

Thank you fo that happy ending story. :)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:35:04pm

re: #202 MsJ

When I first heard the story, I thought it was for the pool boy. But, no no…nope… The personal trainer.

Unreal.

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The worst thing about this is when he gets caught he’s going to blame everyone but himself.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:37:14pm

re: #202 MsJ

When I first heard the story, I thought it was for the pool boy. But, no no…nope… The personal trainer.

Unreal.

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So, who do you think has the thing for young, fit men? Falwell? Or the wife? Or both?

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Dread Pirate  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:37:16pm
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William Lewis  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:38:38pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

Both.

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:39:22pm

re: #203 PhillyPretzel

Thank you fo that happy ending story. :)

If I’d have found that little peanut, I’d have seven dogs now.

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:40:17pm

re: #205 Blind Frog Belly White

So, who do you think has the thing for young, fit men? Falwell? Or the wife? Or both?

I’m voting Both.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:40:27pm

re: #207 William Lewis

Both.

Ooooo! Adventurous!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:41:40pm

re: #206 Dread Pirate

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They are not even trying to hide the corruption. Fuck all of them.

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plansbandc  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:45:58pm

re: #199 MsJ

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:46:05pm

Projects that require less of a brain?

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:46:53pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:50:03pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:51:32pm
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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:55:43pm

re: #214 gocart mozart

Truth!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:56:04pm

re: #215 gocart mozart

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Okay, that makes sense, but when he says “twice”, does he mean no going back for seconds the same night? Or just a single one night stand involving the possibility for more than one go?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:57:43pm

re: #214 gocart mozart

I’m perfectly happy to see other Republicans work hard to tear down Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy.

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MsJ  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:57:59pm

This was truly the most amusing Twitter in a long time.

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dell*nix  Aug 27, 2019 • 5:59:31pm

re: #48 jaunte

Just where did he get the $30,000.00?

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:00:00pm

re: #206 Dread Pirate

Rules? There are no rules.

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:00:39pm

re: #221 dell*nix

Just where did he get the $30,000.00?

He’s worth $40 million so I imagine he’ll be able to scape it together.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:01:40pm
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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:02:02pm

re: #220 MsJ

This was truly the most amusing Twitter in a long time.

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Targetpractice  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:02:31pm

re: #206 Dread Pirate

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The man responded to the House voting him in contempt by mockingly asking Pelosi if she “brought [her] cuffs.” The man is not afraid of any legal consequences of his actions.

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Patricia Kayden  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:03:56pm
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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:03:59pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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Thankfully, the age where people gasp at politicians swear is coming to an end.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:05:35pm

re: #227 Patricia Kayden

“Our land”

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retired cynic  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:06:08pm

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

“Our land”

You beat me by 10 seconds.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:06:35pm

re: #227 Patricia Kayden

The problem is not that ‘they ended up with 14% of our land’. The problem is you ended up with 86%.

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Jay C  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:06:48pm

re: #185 Ace Rothstein

Is it too late in the thread to say FUCK TRUMP?

Never!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:08:18pm

re: #230 retired cynic

You beat me by 10 seconds.

Great minds think alike, but faster fingers hit “Post It” first.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:10:08pm

I was watching John Oliver’s bit on Boris Johnson last night, and it occurred to me that Johnson is like Trump - boorish, ignorant, buffoonish - except Johnson is in on the joke.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:11:24pm
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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:12:05pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

Reading through the timeline and people just going “How is any of that evidence of racism. It’s taken out of context.”

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:13:05pm

re: #234 Blind Frog Belly White

I was watching John Oliver’s bit on Boris Johnson last night, and it occurred to me that Johnson is like Trump - boorish, ignorant, buffoonish - except Johnson is in on the joke.

Which means there’s someone even worse in Britain waiting to become prime minister.

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:13:22pm

re: #200 MsJ

One did recently!

Still one left so the damage continues unabated.

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Skip Intro  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:14:44pm

re: #235 Dread Pirate

Bolosarno wants the Amazon to burn. It makes development faster and cheaper.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:15:23pm

re: #236 Belafon

Reading through the timeline and people just going “How is any of that evidence of racism. It’s taken out of context.”

Honest to christ, they’ll explain it away when Trump finally drops the N-word.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:21:43pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to christ, they’ll explain it away when Trump finally drops the N-word.

“He was just reading Twain. Didn’t you see the book?”

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:22:20pm

re: #240 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to christ, they’ll explain it away when Trump finally drops the N-word.

“Black people and rappers call each other n*gg*r all the time! How is that not racist?”

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:25:26pm
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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:25:29pm

re: #219 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m perfectly happy to see other Republicans work hard to tear down Trump. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy.

Indeed

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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:25:41pm

re: #242 DodgerFan1988

“Black people and rappers call each other n*gg*r all the time! How is that not racist?”

“You’re just cherry picking! When he Called Obama that, it wasn’t racist! You need to look at the context!”

A friend who likes Ben Shapiro keeps telling me shit like that about him, that I shouldn’t “cherry pick” his awful columns or his disgusting tweets. But really, I’ve concluded this friend will pretty much excuse anything.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:26:36pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:27:40pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

If this guy questioning Beto was a typical Fox News watching Trump-bot this is probably the first time he ever heard of these actual statements and actions committed by Donald Trump.

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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:29:17pm
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Jay C  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:33:08pm

re: #245 Blind Frog Belly White

“You’re just cherry picking! When he Called Obama that, it wasn’t racist! You need to look at the context!”

A friend who likes Ben Shapiro keeps telling me shit like that about him, that I shouldn’t “cherry pick” his awful columns or his disgusting tweets. But really, I’ve concluded this friend will pretty much excuse anything.

Except there are obviously enough people around who will simply ignore the accumulating piles of cherries, and never figure out they’re standing under a fucking cherry tree…

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:34:47pm

re: #243 gocart mozart

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:36:42pm

re: #248 gocart mozart

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It’s almost as if Jerry Falwell jr, religious huckster millionaire, likes to watch young buff men bang his wife and then penetrate the young man in the anus while he is having sex with the wife.

Almost.

This scenario is just possible to a degree, I suppose. I’m just saying. Maybe someone should look into that.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:46:47pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:51:01pm
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teleskiguy  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:52:26pm
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Barefoot Grin  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:57:30pm

re: #254 teleskiguy

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it’s “Third Eye.”

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sagehen  Aug 27, 2019 • 6:58:26pm

re: #227 Patricia Kayden

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“Indians don’t do lobbying. They don’t speak our language. And somehow they’ve ended up with 14% of our land,”

Somehow?!?!

Has he somehow forgotten that it used to be 100% their land? Until a military force came and took 84% of it? And the only reason that military didn’t take it all is because there was an enormous rainforest full of pythons and poisonous insects and so on, and a bunch of rivers full of piranhas and…

Well, you get the idea.

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teleskiguy  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:00:42pm

re: #255 Barefoot Grin

it’s “Third Eye.”

Third Eye

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sagehen  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:08:08pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

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And he didn’t even speak long enough to get to how Trump said a judge of Mexican heritage couldn’t be fair to him, or what he said about Congresswoman Frederika Wilson, or the Nixon-era DOJ charging him with housing discrimination, or the NJ EEOC fining him for the way he treated black casino employees in Atlantic City, or what he said about the Indian casino operators in Connecticut…

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:12:02pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:13:20pm
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Chrysicat  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:13:24pm

This is probably going to start a whole new mainpage thread when Charles responds to it, but still, I have to drop this here before the new one opens:

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:13:58pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:14:43pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:15:36pm

re: #261 Chrysicat

This is probably going to start a whole new mainpage thread when Charles responds to it, but still, I have to drop this here before the new one opens:

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This is kind of bombshell news if confirmed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:17:09pm

re: #248 gocart mozart

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So what other studs snorted poppers with Falwell, Jr?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:21:53pm

Oh my!

Lawrence is saying that Russian oligarchs cosigned Trump loans…

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:22:18pm

re: #246 gocart mozart

I think Stephens showed exactly how much integrity he has.

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retired cynic  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:22:35pm

re: #266 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh my!

Lawrence is saying that Russian oligarchs cosigned Trump loans…

Ohhhhh myyyyyyy

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:23:36pm

re: #266 Joe Bacon 🌹

I think David Cay Johnston hinted early on that something like this might come out.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:24:32pm

re: #268 retired cynic

Ohhhhh myyyyyyy

Don Jr. has said on multiple occasions that “we do a lot of business with Russia”

He was bragging.

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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:26:56pm

Trump’s AG approving a holiday party at a Trump property is merely one of two impeachable offenses.

Today. Just today.

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DangerMan  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:27:12pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:27:14pm

re: #249 Jay C

Except there are obviously enough people around who will simply ignore the accumulating piles of cherries, and never figure out they’re standing under a fucking cherry tree…

Which is what you’d call ironic, because my friend is an orchardman.

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The Pie Overlord!  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:28:34pm

THE CRUELTY IS THE POINT.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:30:01pm

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

This might be interesting for other reasons as well. I have a coworker who likes to talk science in the same way he likes to talk football (I’ve even mentioned that he’s being an armchair scientist). But he had been hung up on dark matter, specifically how, according to him, it makes it hard to accept scientists since so many of them just accept dark matter. After a lot of talks with me and a number of videos, he’s gotten to where he understands more of how the current emphasis on dark matter really works in the scientific community.

But I digress. This clock could be interesting for reasons of computing dark matter. Far enough out, we might detect a change in the course that cannot be explained by general relativity by itself. It would either be explained by general relativity + dark matter, or we might get the kind of information we need to determine if dark matter doesn’t properly describe it.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:32:28pm
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retired cynic  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:33:50pm

re: #276 jaunte

This is a clear cut abuse of presidential power. It’s not a close call. If Congress doesn’t impeach a president who does this then they should never impeach anyone ever

But that is true of all of his offenses. None are grey; all are black and white true.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:34:01pm

Casey, I want to make a long distance dedication to Jerry Falwell, Jr!

Karen Young - Bring On The Boys

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Dread Pirate  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:34:19pm
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jaunte  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:34:56pm

re: #277 retired cynic

But that is true of all of his offenses. None are grey; all are black and white true.

Trump’s working on a list of offenses longer than George III’s.

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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:35:14pm

We need an Impeachable Offense Doomsday Clock that counts them against the point of no return. We’re at about 3 minutes to midnight right now. On a Tuesday.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:36:47pm

re: #279 Dread Pirate

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I really wonder if Walter Jon Williams thought Hard Wired would actually become real? And the cautionary tale, folks, is this: When the meteor comes, it will be from space based corporations.

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jaunte  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:37:27pm
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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:39:08pm
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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:43:06pm

Got damn Nancy. It’s time.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:45:53pm

re: #285 BigPapa

Got damn Nancy. It’s time.

We’re just about half way there on Democrats. You have to convince them.

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retired cynic  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:46:01pm

re: #285 BigPapa

Got damn Nancy. It’s time.

She can’t do it without a big majority of her caucus.

I want it. For posterity, if no other reason.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:47:19pm

Someone’s really trying to misinterpret Biden (not Neera):

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:47:31pm

re: #285 BigPapa

I still believe the problem with impeaching Trump, and the Senate convicts (a long shot), all that will happen is Pence will make a blanket pardon.

Then Pence will run on being called by Je$u$ to heal the nation and that the Satan-serving Democrats have to be defeated, and tens of millions of old religious folk will say amen and then we get 4 more years of disaster, just with fewer tweets.

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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:48:21pm

Impeachment is a process. You go through the process whether or not the outcome is perceived to be in one’s favor. This is not a court of law.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:48:44pm

re: #289 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I still believe the problem with impeaching Trump, and the Senate convicts (a long shot), all that will happen is Pence will make a blanket pardon.

Then Pence will run on being called by Je$u$ to heal the nation and that the Satan-serving Democrats have to be defeated, and tens of millions of old religious folk will say amen and then we get 4 more years of disaster, just with fewer tweets.

The second part won’t work. He’s not going to win a lot of people who hate Trump, and conviction will make a lot of voters angry at Republicans.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:49:43pm

re: #289 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I still believe the problem with impeaching Trump, and the Senate convicts (a long shot), all that will happen is Pence will make a blanket pardon.

Then Pence will run on being called by Je$u$ to heal the nation and that the Satan-serving Democrats have to be defeated, and tens of millions of old religious folk will say amen and then we get 4 more years of disaster, just with fewer tweets.

No, if 20 Senate Republicans voted to remove Trump from office to be replaced by Pence, the deplorables will be incensed that Pence plotted a coup against Dear Leader and He’d lose in a landslide.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:49:54pm

re: #290 BigPapa

Impeachment is a process. You go through the process whether or not the outcome is perceived to be in one’s favor. This is not a court of law.

Nope, it’s the court of public opinion. Which can be much worse.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:51:48pm

re: #291 Belafon

But people will vote for Pence who might otherwise just not vote for anyone if Trump is the candidate.

re: #290 BigPapa

Yes, but I think we are at a point where what matters is strategy, a strategy that has to take down not just Trump but the Republican Senate. The latter is exactly why Trump is not held accountable for anything, and why so much badness has happened. The GOP as a whole is now complicit in destroying what it means to have good governance.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:52:26pm

re: #292 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No, if 20 Senate Republicans voted to remove Trump from office to be replaced by Pence, the deplorables will be incensed that Pence plotted a coup against Dear Leader and He’d lose in a landslide.

Which is why I doubt the Senate as it is now constituted will convict.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:53:56pm

We’re at the point where the majority of GOP leaders have decided that it is more important for them to abuse their power as much as possible no matter what Trump does (or does not do.)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:54:15pm

re: #295 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Which is why I doubt the Senate as it is now constituted will convict.

Correct, this Senate would never convict Trump. Even if the news from Deutsche Bank is confirmed, Trump would deny it and say the documents are forgeries.

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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:55:41pm

Even if Trump is impeached and not removed that isn’t a failure. It’s a ‘choose your side’ for the next election. Triangulating if impeachment would actually result in removal isn’t the point.

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gwangung  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:57:07pm

re: #287 retired cynic

She can’t do it without a big majority of her caucus.

How about a majority of voters, period.

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retired cynic  Aug 27, 2019 • 7:58:02pm

re: #299 gwangung

How about a majority of voters, period.

She can’t push to start the process without a majority of her caucus.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:00:27pm

re: #295 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Which is why I doubt the Senate as it is now constituted will convict.

McConnell is not the only white supremacist in the Senate who is more than willing to blow up our government to stay in power.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:00:29pm

re: #298 BigPapa

I agree that it is important to get the truth out and an investigative process has to be public.

But Trumpers want to believe Trump is a martyr. Trump probably wants to be shown as the martyr standing strong against the evil Democrats.

Perhaps you think I have too negative a view of our fellow Americans, but I really do believe that enough of the electorate are full-in on delusions.

Remember, Trump got more votes than any other Republican in history. And Trump is not unpopular among Republicans.

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gwangung  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:04:27pm

re: #300 retired cynic

She can’t push to start the process without a majority of her caucus.

Well, yeah, but what I’m saying is that caucus isn’t going to get there without a push from their voters.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:06:07pm

re: #303 gwangung

Well, yeah, but what I’m saying is that caucus isn’t going to get there without a push from their voters.

That’s what Pelosi told them to go find out on break: What the voters thought about impeachment.

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teleskiguy  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:07:27pm
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Ace-o-aces  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:08:24pm
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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:08:37pm

re: #302 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

We agree about the mass delusion and pretty much everything else.

What I think we don’t agree on is whether you start an impeachment proceeding against a president with confidence of removing him from office being a primary vector.

I know there’s a perception that a successful impeachment may fail to remove him from office. One can make an assumption that he becomes stronger. I don’t believe that. There’s not a downside to engaging in impeachment proceedings. His sycophants will no doubt trumpet the vanquishing of enemies.

But an impeachment lacking a removal from office by the Senate will not get him more votes. There is no upside for Trump on this.

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DodgerFan1988  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:09:00pm

“Shut up and sing!”

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SteelPH  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:10:27pm

So we’re 100% fucked and there is absolutely, positively nothing that can be done, right? We should give up? Is that what I should be inferring?

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Ace-o-aces  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:11:57pm
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Ace-o-aces  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:13:04pm
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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:15:27pm

re: #309 SteelPH

So we’re 100% fucked and there is absolutely, positively nothing that can be done, right? We should give up? Is that what I should be inferring?

Nope. The one thing I know is this: Impeachment won’t solve our problems. The only debate on this is whether it will hurt, help, or do nothing. Only voting will fix things. And it’s going to be messy and dangerous in late October when voting starts, up through the day he’s removed.

Edit: To be clear, I am talking only about the House’s part. The Senate won’t do jack.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:16:10pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:17:24pm
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gocart mozart  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:18:11pm
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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:18:48pm

Removing Racist Grandpa from office won’t fix things. It’s a huge component but there will be so much more work to be done. It merely moves the timeline to success up a bit. A success that still has to be fought for, earned, and a little luck may be needed to be sprinkled on top.

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SteelPH  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:20:14pm

re: #312 Belafon

Nope. The one thing I know is this: Impeachment won’t solve our problems. The only debate on this is whether it will hurt, help, or do nothing. Only voting will fix things. And it’s going to be messy and dangerous in late October when voting starts, up through the day he’s removed.

With (essentially) no FEC. M’kay.

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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:23:58pm

The House reps the People.

The Senate reps the State.

The President reps the Executive branch.

We vote for all three. Not one.

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garzooma  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:25:38pm

re: #266 Joe Bacon 🌹

Oh my!

Lawrence is saying that Russian oligarchs cosigned Trump loans…

I’m waiting 24hrs on this. Did Cohen know about this? What about Mueller?

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:26:41pm

re: #317 SteelPH

With (essentially) no FEC. M’kay.

The FEC is mostly an after the fact commission anyway, especially the way the Republicans treat it.

We have one party that basically views Democracy as an impediment to their goals. They currently control one chamber of Congress, the presidency, and the SCOTUS. It’s not going to be easy. We have to get people registered to vote, get Democrats out to vote, and be ready for what is coming.

I fully expect white people to show up threatening minorities at polling locations. And I expect the police to look the other way on some of it (it’ll be more likely the further you are from a big city). It won’t be pretty, but it might actually scare a few of the Republicans who think everything is just fine.

I totally believe we are in a civil war right now. We are trying to decide what country we want to be. We’re just not standing with guns completely pointing at each other yet because the ones in charge are the ones who would like a riot. So we have to organize the way that others have when they aren’t allowed to use force and win by numbers.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:27:09pm
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SteelPH  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:31:15pm

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m still going to vote blue. You can count on that.

I just have absolutely zero confidence that the election will be anything but a blatantly rigged landslide for the GOP in all cases congressional and presidential, which the so-called “liberal” media will treat as completely normal.

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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:32:46pm
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Belafon  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:33:18pm

re: #322 SteelPH

Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m still going to vote blue. You can count on that.

I just have absolutely zero confidence that the election will be anything but a blatantly rigged landslide for the GOP in all cases congressional and presidential, which the so-called “liberal” media will treat as completely normal.

They would have done it in 2018 then.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:33:33pm
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BigPapa  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:33:56pm

re: #322 SteelPH

The real number that matters is what % the actual vote needs to reach to beat the fuckery

I’m calling at least 5%. With no FEC, could go as high as 10%.

As bad as Racist Grandpa is acting and poll number reaction the next election needs to be a crushing and overwhelming defeat. A close election won’t work.

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SteelPH  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:34:00pm

re: #324 Belafon

They would have done it in 2018 then.

True, but I’m still not holding my breath.

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Dread Pirate  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:35:55pm

Ha ha, he’s fuming.

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teleskiguy  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:39:12pm

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plansbandc  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:46:02pm

re: #274 The Pie Overlord!

How in the world can anyone think this way? JFC

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plansbandc  Aug 27, 2019 • 8:51:16pm

We do all these various things here: Coat drives, shoe drives, school supply drives. I have a friend who organizes a huge purse and jewelry sale that raises funds to help low income schools around the city.

I have another friend who works with various groups to keep kids fed when school isn’t in session. (Lots of kids get one solid meal at school and that’s it, so when school isn’t in session, they are struggling for ANY meal.)

How is it that we’ve come to fuck you if your poor, starve.

There just isn’t the proper words for how angry and frustrated this makes me every God Damn day. I can’t handle it.

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Eventual Carrion  Aug 28, 2019 • 8:59:31am

re: #301 Belafon

McConnell is not the only white supremacist in the Senate who is more than willing to blow up our government to stay in power.

And McConnell might be caught up in this Russian thing himself.


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