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Impeachment Inquiry Hearing with Lt. Col. Vindman and Vice President Pence Aide Jennifer Williams – LIVE at 9am ET on C-SPAN3, @cspanRadio & online here: cs.pn
Impeachment Inquiry Hearing with Lt. Col. Vindman and Vice President Pence Aide Jennifer Williams – LIVE at 9am ET on C-SPAN3, @cspanRadio & online here: cs.pn
Work with Judy. Close enough. Made me laugh
👇 As I’ve been saying, folks https://t.co/eSZMfnJ1pf
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 19, 2019
Donnie is again locked in position, staring at the screens, his pudgy little fingerlike nubs twitching, eager to tweet.
He’s sweating and jittery, his mood racing from fury to despair. He’s pinging his allies and sycophants, begging for validation and security.— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) November 19, 2019
Good morning Lizards:
I hope you all enjoy another perfectly normal day:
Fox & Friends asks President Trump not to tweet during today’s impeachment hearings: “The president should just ignore this whole thing. … Don’t get outraged over it. It ticks you off.” pic.twitter.com/SXDKRoZs1y
— Bobby Lewis (@revrrlewis) November 19, 2019
and…I now have a moment with the sound down as Nunes provides us with whatever fantasies one arrives at after drinking sterno.
re: #4 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)
Good morning Lizards:
I hope you all enjoy another perfectly normal day:
Awww that’s precious. They think they can control him.
When the facts are against you, pound the table and attack the media.
Moo.
So the start of the second week of impeachment hearings by Nunes…is to claim that the fact that the Repubs are looking so fucking shitty is because the media are against them.
#DevinNunes calls this a “partisan frenzy” when #GOP raises no concerns abt #Obstruction of Congress. If this is so ridiculous then demand the documents & witnesses to set the record straight. #impeachment
— Maya Wiley (@mayawiley) November 19, 2019
Nunes is being paid by the number of times he says ‘whistleblower.’
Dude needs some new material.
Evidence free accusations are the GOP way.
re: #10 jaunte
It’s only a partisan frenzy since your party is loyal not to the country’s interests but to Trump’s. You’re a bunch of pathetic assholes who sold out the few principles you had to protect a crypto autocratic freak who has no business anywhere near the WH.
I have Nunes on auto mute because fuck that clown amirite
Reminder: the U.S. intelligence community and the Trump Administration have found that Russia, not Ukraine, meddled in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. This is the government’s own finding.
— Susan Glasser (@sbg1) November 19, 2019
Our intelligence services are a problem for Nunes.
re: #10 jaunte
Partisan frenzy is what happened when Republicans held multiple hearings about Benghazi culminating in a 10 hour interrogation of Secretary Clinton. Now that was a witch hunt of epic proportions and it was strictly for political gain.
re: #14 goddamnedfrank
I have Nunes on auto mute because fuck that clown amirite
I would pay a dollar for that Chrome extension.
re: #15 jaunte
Our intelligence services are a problem for Nunes.
Well they are at odds with his boss’s bosses.
re: #14 goddamnedfrank
I have Nunes on auto mute because fuck that clown amirite
Me too. I’ll be doing that for the rest of the day.
Nunes is just doing a more incompetent version of the core Republican political strategy these days: undermining the media as independent fact checkers so they can govern however they want.
— Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) November 19, 2019
re: #16 Patricia Kayden
Partisan frenzy is what happened when Republicans held multiple hearings about Benghazi culminating in a 10 hour interrogation of Secretary Clinton. Now that was a witch hunt of epic proportions and it was strictly for political gain.
McCarthy even admitted that.
I thought Hunter Biden made $50K a month? Nunes just said $83K.
Guess he got a raise…
re: #3 Targetpractice
Downthread in that tweet…
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— Louis R. Bridgeman (@LouisRBridgema3) November 19, 2019
I unmuted him for a bit and it was a mistake.
Congressman Scabbers spinning yarn out of pure batshit
— Jason McGlothlen (@goddamnedfrank) November 19, 2019
re: #22 makeitstop
Hunter Biden is irrelevant to these proceedings.
re: #24 jaunte
“Half the country” didn’t vote for the president*
Fact: More people voted against Trump than voted for him.
Second fact: More people voting for Obama than against him never stopped Devin’s party or President from delegitimizing him.
Excellent!
Trump’s visit to Mississippi boosted GOP turnout in the region he visited by 5%, but boosted Democratic turnout by 12%.
Hester Jackson-McCray also ousted a GOP Mississippi House incumbent and made history as a black woman elected in a majority white district in DeSoto County. She won by 13 votes after losing that same seat 68-32 in 2015. Voter turnout jumped by ~1/3.https://t.co/fgiHklIqdX
— Ashton Pittman (@ashtonpittman) November 18, 2019
Important to note: Bill Denny is the House Chairman of the Apportionment and Elections Committee, and would have been in charge of redrawing House District maps in 2020 if he had won.
Since Ds didn’t pick up enough seats to flip the chamber, another R will likely replace him.— Ashton Pittman (@ashtonpittman) November 18, 2019
re: #28 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Excellent!
Trump’s visit to Mississippi boosted GOP turnout in the region he visited by 5%, but boosted Democratic turnout by 12%.
There are more of us than them and I think we’re going to see that next fall especially when Trump is oging to have to fight hard to retain states that have been Republican a long time.
Getting her republican creds on the record.
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re: #16 Patricia Kayden
Partisan frenzy is what happened when Republicans held multiple hearings about Benghazi culminating in a 10 hour interrogation of Secretary Clinton. Now that was a witch hunt of epic proportions and it was strictly for political gain.
And she yawned her way though it
re: #31 goddamnedfrank
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State Dept. official Jennifer Williams who heard the July 25 call says she listened to about a dozen other presidential calls but that this one was “unusual” because Trump raised “a domestic political matter.”#ImpeachmentHearings
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) November 19, 2019
She took notes and transcribed the call. Sent it up to Pence in his daily briefing. Doesn’t know if he read it.
She took notes.
She transcribed the call.
She reported it to pence.
re: #24 jaunte
“Half the country” didn’t vote for the president*
Sure it did.
If you measure “the country” by square miles, rather than # of resident human beings.
re: #33 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
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This is brutal. He doesn’t read especially well, nerves likely, but it is devastating.
I like this guy, but jesus, he sucks as a reader.
re: #38 goddamnedfrank
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re: #39 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
This is brutal. He doesn’t read especially well, nerves likely, but it is devastating.
It works for me. Others may see it differently but nobody is going to accuse him of putting on a polished, rehearsed performance.
What stupid procedural question will they interrupt with today?
Pence says the call is classified. Not allowed to answer questions.
re: #26 Patricia Kayden
Hunter Biden is irrelevant to these proceedings.
But without him the GOP has no defense…
Rudy interrupts to make sure everyone knows once again he was committing these crimes with Donald Trump https://t.co/83D8yFDsTs
— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) November 19, 2019
re: #43 goddamnedfrank
It works for me. Others may see it differently but nobody is going to accuse him of putting on a polished, rehearsed performance.
This has to be the biggest audience he’s ever addressed. I don’t blame him if he has nerves. Nerves are human.
re: #47 jaunte
Rudy interrupts to make sure everyone knows once again he was committing these crimes with Donald Trump https://t.co/83D8yFDsTs
— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) November 19, 2019
rudy’s lawyers
He’s definitely nailing down all the particulars here.
I don’t see any way anyone on the R side is going to be able to defuse this.
re: #50 makeitstop
He’s definitely nailing down all the particulars here.
I don’t see any way anyone on the R side is going to be able to defuse this.
Oh they’ll try.
re: #50 makeitstop
He’s definitely nailing down all the particulars here.
I don’t see any way anyone on the R side is going to be able to defuse this.
They’ll attack him personally. That is all they have.
Or perhaps they’re just now getting around to opening their desk drawers?
Obviously the first thing they’d do with these notes is never take pictures of them and never talk about them for nearly three years. https://t.co/kz0cUJfWHC
— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) November 19, 2019
re: #52 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
They’ll attack him personally. That is all they have.
He’s an American by choice which is something Trump and his cronies cannot say about themselves.
It is outrageous that someone censored out the word Burisma from the transcript of the call. Vindman is being too diplomatic here. While working at the NSC, my team and I corrected many transcripts of presidential calls. No one ever decided to not take my edits!
— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) November 19, 2019
re: #47 jaunte
The SNL skit was spot on, as usual.
re: #53 Barefoot Grin
Or perhaps they’re just now getting around to opening their desk drawers?
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Remember when the W administration charged that exiting Clinton staffers removed all the W keys from the computers?
re: #53 Barefoot Grin
Obviously the first thing they’d do with these notes is never take pictures of them and never talk about them for nearly three years. https://t.co/kz0cUJfWHC
— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) November 19, 2019
youve been press sec for 5 mos.
who’s this ‘we came into the WH’? you were press sec to the first lady then
you werent in the west wing
re: #47 jaunte
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Can someone point me to where in the constitution it demands/allows the POTUS to do this? I couldn’t find it right off.
re: #57 Belafon
I have now been around the sun 50 times.
a decidedly heliocentric and not ego-centric thing to say
congrats
Seems telling about the state of America now that LTC Vindman, a purple heart vet whose hands and papers were shaking nervously, wanted to reassure his father not to worry, that he’ll be “fine for telling the truth.”
— Richard Engel (@RichardEngel) November 19, 2019
Damn…gotta go to a meeting in a few minutes. Please comment on the testimony if you can. Thanks in advance!
re: #52 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
They’ll attack him personally. That is all they have.
Trump’s people are throwing out accusations at the guy currently testifying, and whose clearance remains intact despite these unsubstantiated allegations. https://t.co/XZBqbWKVde
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) November 19, 2019
re: #57 Belafon
I have now been around the sun 50 times.
Thank you for bringing the planet, and the rest of us who reside on it, along with you on that journey.
Would have sucked if you’d left us behind.
re: #66 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
They’re nothing but predictable scumbags.
re: #66 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
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Waiting for the Joseph Welch moment when Republicans are asked if they have no shred of decency left…
re: #57 Belafon
I have now been around the sun 50 times.
67,000 mph. Congratulations fellow speeder.
re: #58 makeitstop
Remember when the W administration charged that exiting Clinton staffers removed all the W keys from the computers?
It’s like victimhood is coded in their DNA.
re: #72 Barefoot Grin
It’s like victimhood is coded in their DNA.
Well, W’s ascension to the Presidency was pretty controversial.
And that is a pretty funny and relatively harmless prank.
And with this I bid you adieu. BBL
GOLDMAN: They didn’t put it on the TS+ server BY MISTAKE, did they?
VINDMAN: Mmm, no?
(EG Note: Goldman is shanking Tim Morrisson in advance here. He called the TS+ server thing as a “mistake.” He testifies this afternoon.)— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) November 19, 2019
re: #16 Patricia Kayden
Partisan frenzy is what happened when Republicans held multiple hearings about Benghazi culminating in a 10 hour interrogation of Secretary Clinton. Now that was a witch hunt of epic proportions and it was strictly for political gain.
My favorite bit about that particular nonsense is how she looked after the all-day grilling compared to how Gowdy Doody looked.
I’m loving how Goldman is eliciting Vindman’s testimony. He’s getting him to verify everything while relieving him of looking vindictive or partisan.
In other news…
Trump to be deposed!!! A Manhattan judge has again denied President Donald Trump’s request to dismiss a defamation lawsuit filed by former “Apprentice” contestant Summer Zervos against him, clearing the way for the President to be deposed by January 31. https://t.co/JlbZrpwBjd
— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) November 19, 2019
re: #77 makeitstop
In other news…
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“I don’t know this woman. I never met her. I don’t know what you’re talking about. Have you seen the economy? We’re doing tremendous numbers. Tremendous.”
re: #77 makeitstop
In other news…
“Of course I didn’t defame her. Look, if Hunter Biden can take a job in Ukraine, and not get in trouble, then there’s no reason I can’t have another Big Mac.”
i’m almost tempted to watch republicans here, just to see how bad things can get for them. But no, I will go buy bass guitar picks because I decided my christmas present to me this year would be a rickenbacker 4001. not a new one, because I’m a cheap bastard, but one that the dealer on reverb claims has been looked over by two guitar techs with no sign of anything being wrong (supposedly from a collector’s stable, but that always sounds like buying a car that was only ever driven by a little old lady to church on sundays).
re: #78 Eclectic Cyborg
“I don’t know this woman. I never met her. I don’t know what you’re talking about. Have you seen the economy? We’re doing tremendous numbers. Tremendous.”
I hate to say it, but as long as the job numbers and the stock market indices are looking good, that is going to work in Trump’s favor. He just needs to maintain those figures until November of next year.
Nunes playing eat the clock by asking both witnesses the same largely irrelevant questions.
re: #79 Belafon
“everything her lawyer said is Fake News.”
re: #80 steve_davis
sorry, a rickenbacker 4003, not a 4001.
Rep. Nunes begins his examination of Jennifer Williams, with a string of questions about Burisma in 2015, when she was not working in Ukraine.
Williams keeps replying that she is not aware because she was not there at the time.
Nunes then moves onto Vindman. Same questions.— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) November 19, 2019
re: #59 Joe Bacon 🌹
The inski and outski boxes make it art.
Does cow boy get a cookie for every time he says the name BIDEN?
re: #80 steve_davis
i’m almost tempted to watch republicans here, just to see how bad things can get for them. But no, I will go buy bass guitar picks because I decided my christmas present to me this year would be a rickenbacker 4001. not a new one, because I’m a cheap bastard, but one that the dealer on reverb claims has been looked over by two guitar techs with no sign of anything being wrong (supposedly from a collector’s stable, but that always sounds like buying a car that was only ever driven by a little old lady to church on sundays).
That’s a nice bass! It’s actually easier to buy a used one, because Rickenbacker’s wait list is a long one.
What color? My fave Ric finish is fireglow.
re: #57 Belafon
Had my 50th nearly 2 years ago. The present from my wife was letting me know my colonoscopy appointment was going to be a week later. What a lady!
re: #81 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
I hate to say it, but as long as the job numbers and the stock market indices are looking good, that is going to work in Trump’s favor. He just needs to maintain those figures until November of next year.
Which is looking increasingly unlikely. The economy is already shaky thanks to Trumps Trade war and most economists agree all signs are pointing towards recession. I’m hoping for a fallout around late summer next year so people are plenty pissed come November.
Unless the asshole gets impeached before then.
re: #82 makeitstop
Nunes playing eat the clock by asking both witnesses the same largely irrelevant questions.
They are not really questions, just him reading the facts he wants to into the record
Lt. Col. Vindman says he is not aware of any evidence to support the conspiracy theory about Ukraine interfering in the 2016 election. He also says he is “well aware” that Russia floated this conspiracy theory before Trump and his supporters picked it up. #VindmanTestimony pic.twitter.com/LDoqk5MLpE
— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) November 19, 2019
re: #91 b.d. (Where is Rudy?)
They are not really questions, just him reading the facts he wants to into the record
Someone should tell Nunes his comments will go on the same computer the phone calls were placed.
re: #89 dirkdigglerjr
When I turned 50, dude said HB and handed me my AARP card.
I refuse to call myself a senior citizen until I am at LEAST 55.
Evan Hurst at Wonkette pretty much summarized cow boy’s questions:
NUNES: I am going to ask Vindman the same questions, none of which make sense to anybody who doesn’t huff paint off Sean Hannity’s sexxx nipples.
VINDMAN: I have zero idea what the fuck any of you are talking about.
re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg
But by all means get the discounts if you can. 5 or 10 percent off here or a free food/beverage item there can really add up.
re: #88 makeitstop
That’s a nice bass! It’s actually easier to buy a used one, because Rickenbacker’s wait list is a long one.
What color? My fave Ric finish is fireglow.
yep. mine’s a fireglow! It had the UPS label generated yesterday and is supposed to be here Friday. I’ve already ordered a bezel so that I don’t have to try to play around what is wryly known as the “talent inhibitor” they thoughtfully installed over the bridge pickup.
Devin Nunes is what would happen if someone tried to make stupid from concentrate, but forgot to add water.#DevinNunesIsAnIdiot
— Middle Age Riot (@middleageriot) November 19, 2019
re: #99 makeitstop
Castor the Clown is up.
Did Nunes just call it an impeachment INQUISITION process or did I hear him wrong?
I’m glad they’re bringing in the false allegations that Ukraine meddled in 2016. That should ultimately be an opening to discussing Mueller Report more.
re: #101 BeachDem
Did Nunes just call it an impeachment INQUISITION process or did I hear him wrong?
He did.
Asshole Nunes gets put in his place.
Vindman corrects Nunes after he called him “Mr. Vindman”:
“Ranking member, it’s Lt. Col. Vindman.”— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) November 19, 2019
The GOP are such supporters of our troops…. that they ignore their rank and status when they’re in front of them telling them the truth under oath as to GOP crimes and malfeasance.
At last week’s #ImpeachmentHearings, Republicans complained bitterly the witnesses didn’t have firsthand knowledge of Trump’s call with Ukraine’s president.
Two firsthand witnesses are here, so #DevinNunesIsAnIdiot wants to reveal the whistleblower who isn’t a firsthand witness.— Grant Stern (@grantstern) November 19, 2019
re: #90 Eclectic Cyborg
Which is looking increasingly unlikely. The economy is already shaky thanks to Trumps Trade war and most economists agree all signs are pointing towards recession. I’m hoping for a fallout around late summer next year so people are plenty pissed come November.
Unless the asshole gets impeached before then.
He still has a lot of executive tricks up his voluminous sleeves…
Imagining how the Watergate hearings would have gone if Republicans had ignored the burglary/cover-up and only asked questions about the Kennedys
— Bill Weir (@BillWeirCNN) November 19, 2019
re: #100 Interesting Times
Devin Nunes is what would happen if someone tried to make stupid from concentrate, but forgot to add water.
or rather boiled it down and added a bag of hammers
Oh holy sh*t, POTUS has scheduled a cabinet meeting right between the two sessions of impeachment hearings today.
Imagine the stand-up. Imagine the go-around-the-circle-and-say-the-great-leader-virile-and-genius. It may be the rock bottom of the presidency.— Molly McKew (@MollyMcKew) November 19, 2019
re: #100 Interesting Times
It’s a little early to award You Win The Internet Today, but I’m willing to go ahead and offer it.
re: #110 makeitstop
“Over here! Over HERE! Look at me! Look at MEEEEE!”
re: #104 lawhawk
Asshole Nunes gets put in his place.
The GOP are such supporters of our troops…. that they ignore their rank and status when they’re in front of them telling them the truth under oath as to GOP crimes and malfeasance.
Careful, just ‘correcting’ Nunes means the whole process is an ‘inquisition’.
/
re: #104 lawhawk
Asshole Nunes gets put in his place.
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The GOP are such supporters of our troops…. that they ignore their rank and status when they’re in front of them telling them the truth under oath as to GOP crimes and malfeasance.
Freepers and other idiots have been making a point of trashing Vindman for wearing his uniform. They claim that he normally worked in a civilian suit at the NSC, which is an utter bullshit objection, and that the uniform is therefore some kind of affectation to which he is not entitled. I wonder if they know he was wearing a uniform when he was wounded in Iraq. I’m not 100% sure but I also think it is an actual requirement for active duty officers to appear in uniform when they testify to Congress about anything that has to do with their official duties.
re: #110 makeitstop
Oh, there’s always a rock below that bottom to descend to.
re: #114 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Freepers and other idiots have been making a point of trashing Vindman for wearing his uniform. They claim that he normally worked in a civilian suit at the NSC, which is an utter bullshit objection, and that the uniform is therefore some kind of affectation to which he is not entitled. I wonder if they know he was wearing a uniform when he was wounded in Iraq. I’m not 100% sure but I also think it is an actual requirement for active duty officers to appear in uniform when they testify to Congress about anything that has to do with their official duties.
Sssssh, only the GOP truly loves are troops.
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My mom, 91 years old, can’t drive this week
She had an issue with a cornea so the doc put some kind of film with medicine in it covers by a clear contact. So mom can’t see. And she’s real uncomfortable.
In any event im sitting in a ladies hair and nails salon.
Probably first time since I’m a child.
It’s an…experience.
Oh and it turns out they all know all about me and my sibs.
And when I say all I mean staff and customers alike
re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹
Those same assholes praised Dope Pusher Ollie North when he wore his full uniform at the Iran-Contra hearings!
That was different!
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re: #110 makeitstop
Question: will DrumpF actually know anyone at this cabinet meeting of acting actings acting assistant to the acting secretaries?
/
re: #118 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
My mom, 91 years old, can’t drive this week
She had an issue with a cornea so the doc put some kind of film with medicine in it covers by a clear contact. So mom can’t see. And she’s real uncomfortable.In any event im sitting in a ladies hair and nails salon.
Probably first time since I’m a child.It’s an…experience.
Oh and it turns out they all know all about me and my sibs.
And when I say all I mean staff and customers alike
That’s a bit…unnerving. lol
re: #22 makeitstop
I thought Hunter Biden made $50K a month? Nunes just said $83K.
Guess he got a raise…
I saw that on a wingnut board as well; must’ve come from Fox News.
re: #122 NO SMOCKING GUN!
I saw that on a wingnut board as well; must’ve come from Fox News.
It’s the Trump strategy. Keep raising the numbers until they are large enough to attract serious attention.
re: #22 makeitstop
I thought Hunter Biden made $50K a month? Nunes just said $83K.
Guess he got a raise…
in Drump world, doesn’t making more moneys just mean that one is a true Genius and really Smart?
re: #120 Sir John Barron
Question: will DrumpF actually know anyone at this cabinet meeting of acting actings acting assistant to the acting secretaries?
/
Doesn’t matter because they are all there to kiss his ass.
re: #114 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Freepers and other idiots have been making a point of trashing Vindman for wearing his uniform. They claim that he normally worked in a civilian suit at the NSC, which is an utter bullshit objection, and that the uniform is therefore some kind of affectation to which he is not entitled. I wonder if they know he was wearing a uniform when he was wounded in Iraq. I’m not 100% sure but I also think it is an actual requirement for active duty officers to appear in uniform when they testify to Congress about anything that has to do with their official duties.
That’s the best they got?
re: #126 HappyWarrior
That’s the best they got?
Yes. Which oughta tell you how fucked Trump is at this point.
re: #121 Eclectic Cyborg
That’s a bit…unnerving. lol
She asked if I wanted to wait in the car. I said no.
Now there’s no getting out of it. ;-)
re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg
It’s the Trump strategy. Keep raising the numbers until they are large enough to attract serious attention.
Or to make a Biden bristle and say “that’s not true.” At which point they invite him in to discuss it in front of a committee.
But perhaps I’m giving them too much credit for strategy?
re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹
Those same assholes praised Dope Pusher Ollie North when he wore his full uniform at the Iran-Contra hearings!
I wrote downstairs
Oliver north was (maybe rightly) afraid of bin laden..a foreigner and an actual enemy
Vindmans legitimate issue is with fellow Americans goaded on by..his own boss..yes the president of the United States
re: #118 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
Oh and it turns out they all know all about me and my sibs.
And when I say all I mean staff and customers alike
When they say “all about you”, it’s more than you can imagine.
The most embarrassing moments of your time in elementary school, words you couldn’t pronounce properly when you lost your baby teeth, who first broke your heart and who she married instead, the silliest Halloween costume you ever wore, childhood illnesses and exactly where the chicken pox were located…
Jeffrey Epstein - Second guard expected to surrender Tuesday. One guard in custody.
— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) November 19, 2019
re: #132 sagehen
When they say “all about you”, it’s more than you can imagine.
The most embarrassing moments of your time in elementary school, words you couldn’t pronounce properly when you lost your baby teeth, who first broke your heart and who she married instead, the silliest Halloween costume you ever wore, childhood illnesses and exactly where the chicken pox were located…
I’ve just curled up in a ball in the corner
re: #132 sagehen
When they say “all about you”, it’s more than you can imagine.
The most embarrassing moments of your time in elementary school, words you couldn’t pronounce properly when you lost your baby teeth, who first broke your heart and who she married instead, the silliest Halloween costume you ever wore, childhood illnesses and exactly where the chicken pox were located…
Hence my comment about it being unnerving.
This Minority Counsel is really quite lame. The whole sea lion thing is pathetic.
re: #136 Dave In Austin
This Minority Counsel is really quite lame. The whole sea lion thing is pathetic.
The few decent lawyers the GOP has aren’t going to risk adding being a Trump toadie to their resume.
Already walking it back
Grisham clarified to NBC News that she didn’t mean to suggest that the notes were left in every White House office, only in a press area.
“I’m not sure where her office was, and I certainly wasn’t implying every office had that issue,” Grisham wrote, referring to Rice’s office. “In fact, I had a lovely note left for me in the East Wing, and I tracked the woman down and thanked her. I was talking specifically about our experience in the lower press office — nowhere else. I don’t know why everyone is so sensitive!”
re: #133 lawhawk
Jeffrey Epstein - Second guard expected to surrender Tuesday. One guard in custody.
— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) November 19, 2019
So: will they be holding these guys in the prison they used to work at?
Or will that be considered too dangerous for them….??
re: #136 Dave In Austin
This Minority Counsel is really quite lame. The whole sea lion thing is pathetic.
He’s trying to infer that Vindman’s a traitor by repeatedly bringing up the ‘offer’ of becoming Ukrainian Defense Minister.
Asshole.
Ha:
To give you just a visceral sense of Castor’s questioning, it’s kinda like watching a murder trial with witnesses on the stand.
Castor: You didn’t check the victim’s pulse, did you? How do you know they were ACTUALLY dead?
Witness: Their head was missing.
Castor: Next topic…— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) November 19, 2019
re: #136 Dave In Austin
This Minority Counsel is really quite lame. The whole sea lion thing is pathetic.
Is it still Steve (“I drew the short straw”) Castor?
And “sea lion”??
re: #136 Dave In Austin
This Minority Counsel is really quite lame. The whole sea lion thing is pathetic.
He’s a veteran of Fast and Furious and Benghazi. Getting facts and evidence aren’t his strong suit.
Using these kinds of proceedings to smear witnesses providing damaging testimony to the GOP, and otherwise spreading conspiracy theories are his jam.
Oh—they can’t get Vindman’s title right, but correct him to refer to Rudy as “America’s Mayor.”
Pathetic.
Vindman says repeatedly that he did not seriously entertain the offer and that he is first and foremost an American.
— Noah Bierman (@Noahbierman) November 19, 2019
re: #144 BeachDem
Oh—they can’t get Vindman’s title right, but correct him to refer to Rudy as “America’s Mayor.”
What I heard when I came back.
BARF.
re: #142 Jay C
Google sea lioning. Smarmily agreeing while disagreeing is the best I can describe it. “Why do you really feel that way”….. shit like that. It’s actually a trolling tactic.
re: #144 BeachDem
Oh—they can’t get Vindman’s title right, but correct him to refer to Rudy as “America’s Mayor.”
JFC that’s not an official title. It’s a fucking nickname that Rudy did nothing to deserve.
re: #144 BeachDem
Oh—they can’t get Vindman’s title right, but correct him to refer to Rudy as “America’s Mayor.”
“I’m sorry is that some sort of rank or title”?
Watching @DonaldJTrumpJr Twitter timeline - it’s full panic by Team Trump. They are attacking the credibility of Vindman. Trump’s only like people in military who are accused of war crimes. #ImpeachmentHearings #impeachment
— (((DeanObeidallah))) (@DeanObeidallah) November 19, 2019
re: #148 HappyWarrior
JFC that’s not an official title. It’s a fucking nickname that Rudy did nothing to deserve.
What was worse to me was Vindman saying he only knew Rudy as New York’s finest mayor.
Disgusting.
Trump and GOP have no problem pardoning soldiers convicted under US law of being war criminals, but a soldier who tells the truth about uncovering criminal acts by Trump is enough for the GOP to go all in on McCarthy tactics.
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 19, 2019
re: #153 lawhawk
He’s doing that now. In the interview.
re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg
I refuse to call myself a senior citizen until I am at LEAST 55.
59 here and NOT A SENIOR CITIZEN. My mother (79) is a senior citizen.
re: #155 mmmirele
59 here and NOT A SENIOR CITIZEN. My mother (79) is a senior citizen.
Not calling myself a senior citizen until the Medicare card is in my wallet!
re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg
I refuse to call myself a senior citizen until I am at LEAST 55.
You kids get off my lawn
re: #155 mmmirele
59 here and NOT A SENIOR CITIZEN. My mother (79) is a senior citizen.
71 and I consider myself a Junior senior citizen.
Oy—I see Gym is suited up (not) and ready to go. Time to mute.
There seems to be a concerted effort by Republican gangsters to de-legitimize Vindman’s military service, from Castor’s moronic insinuations to Nun-cow’s “Mr. Vindman” to the goober talking point about his uniform. I would suspect a conspiracy, except that I don’t for a minute believe that the Republicans are that smart. It will convince no one, except possibly the lowest level of the goober base. It is just how they swing, lash out at any and all possibilities in the blind hope that something sticks.
re: #151 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
What was worse to me was Vindman saying he only knew Rudy as New York’s finest mayor.
Disgusting.
Ick but you know what? That just tells you that it’s not a partisan cabal out to get Trump, Rudy, and friends.
That Castor line of questioning of Vindman was like watching something out of the McCarthy hearings in the 1950s. What a dark place the Republican Party is in today.
— Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) November 19, 2019
I hope conservative veterans know that this shit will be done to them if they ever have an independent though regarding Trump Co.
I decided to visit Free Republic, and OW, my eyes! I saw better web page design when the Netscape browser came out.
re: #162 makeitstop
Well considering that the GOP is full of people who think McCarthy was wronged by history, it’s not a big stretch.
re: #164 BlueSpotinAL
I decided to visit Free Republic, and OW, my eyes! I saw better web page design when the Netscape browser came out.
RimJob is still running Freak Republic on his Commodore 64.
who funds The Federalist again?
Let’s Stop Pretending Every Impeachment Witness Is A Selfless Hero https://t.co/f2Jq7SdxO9
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) November 19, 2019
re: #164 BlueSpotinAL
I decided to visit Free Republic, and OW, my eyes! I saw better web page design when the Netscape browser came out.
This is the actual homepage of a local Real Estate Broker in my area:
And this is the “About Us” page for said Broker:
Whatever word is stronger than “cringeworthy”, it applies here.
Now Gym will attempt to besmirch Vindman. Because Gym is such an upstanding, honest broker. Ugh.
re: #167 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
who funds The Federalist again?
Yes, Don Jr, attack the guy who has served his adoptive country honorably. Great look there buddy..
Really if you think Don Jr is a fine upstanding American and Colonel Vindman is not. You’re a pathetic hack.
re: #164 BlueSpotinAL
I decided to visit Free Republic, and OW, my eyes! I saw better web page design when the
NetscapeMosaic browser came out.
Fixed that for me. :)
Make no mistake: exposing the whistleblower’s identity - a violation of federal law - serves no purpose at this point other than to try to appease #DarthOrange , satisfy his demented desire for vengeance and jeopardize the whistleblower’s very life.
— Disloyal Arch (@Arch_LGF) November 19, 2019
What a moment.
Rep. Jim Jordan: Your bosses & colleagues had “concerns about your judgement” & thought you might be leaking to the media. Why?
Lt Col Vindman responds by reading work evaluation from Fiona Hill which said she thought Vindman was a great military service officer.— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) November 19, 2019
Being served would have been pushing an analogy where Vindman testified that he needed to report wrongdoing because that’s what someone in his position is supposed to do, while Jordan refused to report sex abuse at OSU. But this is close….
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 19, 2019
Gym is despicable. Now accusing not only Vindman but Schiff in the same sentence.
re: #160 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
There seems to be a concerted effort by Republican gangsters to de-legitimize Vindman’s military service, from Castor’s moronic insinuations to Nun-cow’s “Mr. Vindman” to the goober talking point about his uniform. I would suspect a conspiracy, except that I don’t for a minute believe that the Republicans are that smart. It will convince no one, except possibly the lowest level of the goober base. It is just how they swing, lash out at any and all possibilities in the blind hope that something sticks.
What are they even saying? I can’t bear to watch or listen myself.
God, listening to this smarmy asshole makes me want to turn it off completely.
re: #178 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
God, listening to this smarmy asshole makes me want to turn it off completely.
Hah—that’s what they WANT you to do!
re: #150 lawhawk
But what is there to question about his military service? And what about the substance of what POTUS did? Oh, wait, right, the GOP doesn’t care about that.
re: #179 BeachDem
Hah—that’s what they WANT you to do!
I know. it’s not working but fuck if it’s not tempting.
re: #167 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Let’s Stop Pretending Every Impeachment Witness Is A Selfless Hero
No, just the ones who still testify despite having received threats to their life and health…
re: #153 lawhawk
This, this, and then some more of this.
re: #167 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
who funds The Federalist again?
Let’s stop pretending that The Federalist has any credibility, and who funds The Federalist again?
re: #178 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
God, listening to this smarmy asshole makes me want to turn it off completely.
That’s the fucking point.
They want people to tune out because they are smearing witnesses, and hope the media both-sides the hell out of events.
None of this helps Trump.
What have we learned so far? We learned the GOP doesn’t care what fact-witnesses have to say about the call, and continue to seek to out the whistleblower, even though they are hearing from people with direct knowledge of the call.
The GOP refuses to treat a soldier in uniform with even basic respect of the title deserved.
The GOP is pushing the same tired talking points, because the facts and evidence support no other conclusion than Trumpworld engaged in multiple felonies re: Ukraine and extorting the Ukrainians into announcing they are investigating Trump’s political rivals to further Trump’s personal political fortunes.
re: #167 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
who funds The Federalist again?
“These impeachment witnesses are no angels.”
/
re: #175 lawhawk
Rep. Jim Jordan: Your bosses & colleagues had “concerns about your judgement” & thought you might be leaking to the media. Why?
And we have concerns about your judgment, Gym, and your president’s judgment, and your party’s judgment.
Rep. Himes just read the tweets below attacking Williams from President Trump into the record of the impeachment inquiry.
Jennifer Williams said she was surprised by the president’s tweets and didn’t expect to be called out by name. https://t.co/dItgyAD6HM— Yamiche Alcindor (@Yamiche) November 19, 2019
Rep. Himes to Vindman: “Are you a ‘Never Trumper?’”
Vindman: “I would call myself a ‘never partisan.’”— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) November 19, 2019
Whoa—getting it on the record that Republicans are total assholes for attacking Vindman’s loyalty. Good job, lawyer Goldman.
Correction—Himes.
re: #139 Jay C
Not sure, but that is definitely a concern. Then again, they may benefit from being allowed to post bail instead of spending any time in jail awaiting trial.
Trump really trying to incite violence against Dems here…
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 19, 2019
re: #190 BeachDem
Whoa—getting it on the record that Republicans are total assholes for attacking Vindman’s loyalty. Good job, lawyer Goldman.
That was Hines. Both Dem counsels are excellent.
re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth
And despite what Jim, Don Jr, Devin, Trump, and friends try to claim. There is no evidence he’s partisan let alone that partisan motives are behind his testimony. The one who looks partisan here is Gym not the Colonel.
Experienced leadership is paying off big time here guys. Both on Nancy’s part and Schiff’s.
re: #193 makeitstop
That was Hines. Both Dem counsels are excellent.
Oops—thanks for the correction.
Jim Himes manages quite deftly to get Vindman’s BEING WOUNDED IN FALLUJAH and being awarded the Purple Heart into the record.#ImpeachmentHearings
— Victoria Brownworth (@VABVOX) November 19, 2019
re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth
Rep. Himes to Vindman: “Are you a ‘Never Trumper?’”
Vindman: “I would call myself a ‘never partisan.’”
That is a brilliant response to a leading question.
Rep Jim Himes utterly slammed Devin Nunes for attacking Vindman’s integrity. Notes the Purple Heart Vindman wears on his chest, says that the insinuations are no less repulsive even when they are “wrapped up in a Brooks Brothers suit”
— Brandi Buchman (@BBuchman_CNS) November 19, 2019
Dude, is there a question in there somewhere? Anywhere?
re: #197 Backwoods_Sleuth
Nice going Republicans.
Ratcliff is almost as smarmy as Gym. And the stack of papers is so fucking lame, Johnny.
re: #194 HappyWarrior
And despite what Jim, Don Jr, Devin, Trump, and friends try to claim. There is no evidence he’s partisan let alone that partisan motives are behind his testimony. The one who looks partisan here is Gym not the Colonel.
Hard to believe the most rabidly partisan administration and congressional GOP in history is complaining about someone else’s perceived partisanship.
re: #199 Backwoods_Sleuth
Goddamn Himes. Brilliant.
re: #203 Sir John Barron
Hard to believe the most rabidly partisan administration and congressional GOP in history is complaining about someone else’s perceived partisanship.
Ha I know right? But now the rest of the country sees it. Seriously the optics on this are awful. You’ve got a man in Jordan who has shown zero independence of Trump attacking a man who is serving in the military on his fourth president and calling him partisan since he raised concerns about an issue that 70% of Americans think is a problem. I doubt Gym loses re-election but he’s going to be sweating without wearing a suit jacket next fall.
re: #188 lawhawk
Oh so mister I’m busy working I don’t have time to watch the hearings potus is attacking the witnesses again.
re: #164 BlueSpotinAL
I decided to visit Free Republic, and OW, my eyes! I saw better web page design when the Netscape browser came out.
You still can’t post a link on freep without entering the HTML characters yourself. This is the only reason I know HTML even as well as I do. Incredibly, I still have posting privileges at freep.
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Jim Jordan Arrives In Congress Displaying Even More Casual Look https://t.co/H87NL6wY6L pic.twitter.com/rJDJayPeU8
— The Onion (@TheOnion) November 19, 2019
re: #160 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
There seems to be a concerted effort by Republican gangsters to de-legitimize Vindman’s military service, from Castor’s moronic insinuations to Nun-cow’s “Mr. Vindman” to the goober talking point about his uniform. I would suspect a conspiracy, except that I don’t for a minute believe that the Republicans are that smart. It will convince no one, except possibly the lowest level of the goober base. It is just how they swing, lash out at any and all possibilities in the blind hope that something sticks.
“Just remember, service members, if you do your duty and defend the Constitution, Republicans will turn on you.”
When’s the next break? I need to go vote in a runoff city council election between an incumbent I don’t particularly like and a challenger I loathe with the heat of a thousand suns.
The idea that these witnesses should say “this is bribery” or “here’s the reason you should impeach” is quite the red herring. https://t.co/Elppuey2uH
— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) November 19, 2019
re: #164 BlueSpotinAL
I decided to visit Free Republic, and OW, my eyes! I saw better web page design when the Netscape browser came out.
A website only Lynx would love.
got your mostly unscathed though j have started sucking my thumb again
The Nixon impeachment inquiry didn’t just cover the Watergate break-in and cover-up.
The House Judiciary Committee voted on articles of impeachment over the bombing of Cambodia & tax fraud, and considered a range of other issues, too.
These things are supposed to be expansive.— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) November 19, 2019
re: #214 Belafon
A website only Lynx would love.
I loved Lynx and would not use it to experience Freepers.
News from goober-world:
Authorities identify man arrested after Monday chase that injured 2 deputies
Turner blowing his 5 minutes having Vindman correct something.
Now trying to justify Sondland’s involvement.— emptywheel (@emptywheel) November 19, 2019
Turner: Do you have evidence that other witnesses have perjured themselves?
Williams notes that she hasn’t read anything.— emptywheel (@emptywheel) November 19, 2019
re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth
The Nixon impeachment inquiry didn’t just cover the Watergate break-in and cover-up.
The House Judiciary Committee voted on articles of impeachment over the bombing of Cambodia & tax fraud, and considered a range of other issues, too.
These things are supposed to be expansive.
High Crimes and Misdemeanors, not just “Quid pro Quo or No?”
.@jahimes slams the GOP’s attempt to accuse Vindman of having dual loyalties: “That was designed exclusively to give the right-wing media an opening to question your loyalties … It’s the kind of thing you say when you’re defending the indefensible.” pic.twitter.com/v4HxY2oJyU
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) November 19, 2019
Clint, I know you weren’t in a line unit long enough to get any real mentoring, but, as a CPT, I’m going to help you out.
1.) Jr LTs that commit war crimes within 3 days of starting their PL time aren’t encouraged to shit talk LTCs
2.) Accounts of My Lai aren’t a “How To” guide https://t.co/O5UsT4o2AF— Victoria Kositz (@evo_kositz) November 19, 2019
re: #223 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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He’s loyal to his country though. These fucking assholes.
re: #223 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
And an officer’s oath is to the Constitution, not the President.
re: #225 Belafon
And an officer’s oath is to the Constitution, not the President.
we can fix that, just like the Germans did in 1934
“Ich schwöre bei Gott diesen heiligen Eid,
daß ich dem Führer des Deutschen Reiches und Volkes
Adolf Hitler, dem Oberbefehlshaber der Wehrmacht,
unbedingten Gehorsam leisten und als tapferer Soldat bereit sein will,
jederzeit für diesen Eid mein Leben einzusetzen.”
“I swear to God this sacred oath
that to the Leader of the German Reich and people,
Adolf Hitler, supreme commander of the armed forces,
I shall render unconditional obedience and that as a brave soldier I shall at all times be prepared
to give my life for this oath.”
Rep. Stewart, is it normal to wear your father’s Air Force wings?
re: #227 jaunte
Rep. Stewart, is it normal to wear your father’s Air Force wings?
That’s different.//
re: #227 jaunte
Rep. Stewart, is it normal to wear your father’s Air Force wings?
This asshole. ‘As one military family to another.’ Fuck you.
re: #226 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
That would take an act of Congress.
The GOP is relentlessly hammering Vindman for his pride in his service, and his insistence on being addressed in line with his service.
This is the same party that screamed for years over Obama mispronouncing “corpsman” once and saluting a Marine while carrying coffee.— Mike Rothschild (@rothschildmd) November 19, 2019
R’s still trying to pretend this president* doesn’t operate like a Mafia don.
re: #225 Belafon
And an officer’s oath is to the Constitution, not the President.
“I pledge allegiance to the President of the United States of America, and to the house of cards on which he stands, one moron, concerned only for himself, dividing us all, with liberty and justice for rich, white Christians.”
Bumped into Rep. @TedLieu en route to a meeting at Speaker Pelosi’s office.
The congressman shared some thoughts on House GOP’s questioning of Lt. Col. Vindman:
“They’re freaked out a decorated, military combat veteran is telling the truth to the American people,” he told me.— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) November 19, 2019
This is awful.
The Army has to protect one of its own from attacks inspired by the Commander in Chief. https://t.co/k9HPXzaU1O— Mieke Eoyang (@MiekeEoyang) November 19, 2019
“One source said he donned the uniform ‘just for show.’” Active-duty military wears the uniform to testify to Congress. But you can’t expect Kristina Wong to know that, she’s just *checks notes* the “Pentagon/natsec corr[espondent]” for an alleged news outfit. https://t.co/MSmoxlCHKQ
— Gary Legum (@GaryLegum) November 19, 2019
re: #239 Yeah Sure WhatEVs
Ugh this bitch again.
She’s beatable. I hope they vote her out of office. She can take her propaganda to Fox News.
Let me help you @LindseyGrahamSC
Always was bribery. Quid pro quo =bribery
He solicited a bribe from the President of Ukraine: give me my “deliverable” & I’ll give you your weapons & meeting.
He almost got the deliverable, but then got caught so had to give up the goods. https://t.co/kzVZFq9PwS— Mimi Rocah (@Mimirocah1) November 19, 2019
re: #237 makeitstop
WTAF?
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Unbelievable! Next week is the 69th anniversary of China’s intervention in the Korean War.
re: #240 BeachDem
Oh fuck, it’s Elise. I need a drink.
Time to see if she helps torpedo her re-election chances in NY-21 further. Her last escapade helped her projected opponent raise $1 million in campaign funds.
Didn’t Don Jr. sit on the corrupt board of Trump Org? Trump foundation? A board accused of corruption, bribery and money laundering?
Welp—Elise is back to impeaching Obama. WTF is she going on about?
re: #247 Eventual Carrion
Exploring the propriety of nepotism is a big loser for Republicans in general.
A simultaneous fart was just released across the Nation.
Can’t wait to see Stefanik get her comeuppance next year. Her district may be pinkish, but it’s not deep red Trumpland, especially in a presidential year with high turnout. And she’s not the type who’ll have a Fox News spokesblonde career awaiting her after she’s turfed out.
And I have to say, it puzzles me. She went to Harvard. She’s not stupid. She’s veered away from GOP orthodoxy in the past. It would be so damn easy for her to triangulate in ways that would keep her in her seat for decades. And instead she’s driving right off the cliff.
re: #251 i(m)p(each)sos
Can’t wait to see Stefanik get her comeuppance next year. Her district may be pinkish, but it’s not deep red Trumpland, especially in a presidential year with high turnout. And she’s not the type who’ll have a Fox News spokesblonde career awaiting her after she’s turfed out.
And I have to say, it puzzles me. She went to Harvard. She’s not stupid. She’s veered away from GOP orthodoxy in the past. It would be so damn easy for her to triangulate in ways that would keep her in her seat for decades. And instead she’s driving right off the cliff.
She can always go back into plywood.
re: #251 i(m)p(each)sos
Can’t wait to see Stefanik get her comeuppance next year. Her district may be pinkish, but it’s not deep red Trumpland, especially in a presidential year with high turnout. And she’s not the type who’ll have a Fox News spokesblonde career awaiting her after she’s turfed out.
And I have to say, it puzzles me. She went to Harvard. She’s not stupid. She’s veered away from GOP orthodoxy in the past. It would be so damn easy for her to triangulate in ways that would keep her in her seat for decades. And instead she’s driving right off the cliff.
A newspaper in her district (the one in Glens Falls I believe) already put out an editorial on how she came in looking as someone who could do the jump, but has seemingly morphed into a talking-point robot glued to Trump’s ass (so to speak).
And if she trashes Vindman at all that will not help her much since Fort Drum is in her district as well.
re: #244 jaunte
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re: #251 i(m)p(each)sos
Can’t wait to see Stefanik get her comeuppance next year. Her district may be pinkish, but it’s not deep red Trumpland, especially in a presidential year with high turnout. And she’s not the type who’ll have a Fox News spokesblonde career awaiting her after she’s turfed out.
And I have to say, it puzzles me. She went to Harvard. She’s not stupid. She’s veered away from GOP orthodoxy in the past. It would be so damn easy for her to triangulate in ways that would keep her in her seat for decades. And instead she’s driving right off the cliff.
I read an article about her statements from last week. She, and other young Republicans, are basically showing that they think Trumpism is where the party will be for a long time.
re: #237 makeitstop
WTAF?
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Trump succeeding in burning down decades upon decades of alliance building, foreign policy work, and geopotlicking, in a matter of 3 years.
The only allies we seem to have left are Russia and the anglosphere countries that are having a similar right-wing authoritarian meltdown. And Russia isn’t so much even an ally at this point as it is our de facto parent state thanks to Trump.
Republicans are notably unaware that immigrant soldiers are a strong tradition in the US armed forces. Citizenship has NEVER been a requirement for enlistment. I remember dumb-shit Republicans expressing outrage that Obama was allowing foreigners to join the armed forces, as though it was one of his nefarious innovations, along with the “Obama phone” (actually started by Reagan) and the foreign language requirement in Texas high schools (on the books since 1921).
re: #257 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Republicans are notably unaware that immigrant soldiers are a strong tradition in the US armed forces. Citizenship has NEVER been a requirement for enlistment. I remember dumb-shit Republicans expressing outrage that Obama was allowing foreigners to join the armed forces, as though it was one of his nefarious innovations, along with the “Obama phone” (actually started by Reagan) and the foreign language requirement in Texas high schools (on the books since 1921).
Ignorance of history and interest in accuracy seems to be a feature (requirement?) of the current GOP rank and file.
re: #257 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
Republicans are notably unaware that immigrant soldiers are a strong tradition in the US armed forces. Citizenship has NEVER been a requirement for enlistment. I remember dumb-shit Republicans expressing outrage that Obama was allowing foreigners to join the armed forces, as though it was one of his nefarious innovations, along with the “Obama phone” (actually started by Reagan) and the foreign language requirement in Texas high schools (on the books since 1921).
I mean, they go so far as to blame Obama for the existence of racism and literally claim he personally instigated a resurgence after decades of idyllic color-blindness.
Vindman says not only has he seen no evidence that Ukraine was trying to interfere in 2016 election, but that “that’s a Russian narrative”, something that President Putin has encouraged.
— Lisa Desjardins (@LisaDNews) November 19, 2019
Trump’s useful idiots resist thinking of themselves as Putin’s useful idiots, but it’s true.
The president didn’t do it.
The president had a right to do it.
The witnesses who say the president did it are all traitors.— Matthew Miller (@matthewamiller) November 19, 2019
You never actually HEARD heard the president say “it,” did you?
Ratcliffe had to go to the elbow for that one.
He is loyal to his country and the rule of law, something I would not expect a murderer such as yourself to understand or respect.
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) November 19, 2019
— Pit Bulls Against Discrimination (@pitbullsad) November 19, 2019
Fuck off, Gym, you disrepectful, lying asshole.
Jordan’s voice is so unpleasant people must agree with him just to get him to shut the fuck up.
re: #255 Belafon
I read an article about her statements from last week. She, and other young Republicans, are basically showing that they think Trumpism is where the party will be for a long time.
That’s my hypothesis as well. Look at her and Gaetz. Both under 40 and both solidly defending Trump. Granted Gaetz is from a bright red district so he could be just a young Steve King but Elsie was someone who had a fairly moderate by House GOP standards reputation.
Not enough pizzazz. Nunez needs one of those propeller beanies.
The official White House account attacks a witness, with a little graphic design flair, while he is appearing before the congressional impeachment inquiry. https://t.co/QNe4zXIlCI
— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) November 19, 2019
Jim Jordan on proper procedure for reporting improper acts. Yep.
— Schooley (@Rschooley) November 19, 2019
re: #264 gocart mozart
Oh this motherfucker right here needs to stand down and STFU. What a sociopath.
re: #270 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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I’ve had shitty, asshole bosses through the years also.
Yes, he’s an imposter. Or he could release his taxes.
Is there a question in there, shouty Gym, or are you just going to rant your bullshit.
re: #270 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
Morrison served in his post for three months in August through October, 2019. I’d trust his eval about as far as I could throw him.
re: #277 jaunte
Imposters refuse to submit to lawful subpoenas.
A Democratic Congress cannot issue lawful subpoenas, only hunt witches…
Jim Jordan: “They got nothing”
Mueller: Except the guilty verdicts of the campaign manager, deputy campaign manager, NSA, foreign policy aid, personal lawyer, and rat-fucker.— emptywheel (@emptywheel) November 19, 2019
Please, I’m asking nicely, STFU, Gym, you miscreant asshole.
re: #279 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
A Democratic Congress cannot issue lawful subpoenas, only hunt witches…
Someone should play clips of witch hunter animes and show why Trump should be scared.
The only problem Republicans face is that Trump is a lying criminal
— Pat Bagley (@Patbagley) November 19, 2019
Jim Jordan can keep claiming the American people don’t want this, but the American people keep saying they do. https://t.co/axJjfqjO08
— Kevin M. Kruse (@KevinMKruse) November 19, 2019
re: #280 jaunte
That would be a good graphic for the Dems, showing all of the convictions since Trump took office, and contrast it with Obama’s. And put on the poster “We’ll Trump is better than Obama at something.”
Good nugget in this story: RNC withholding data from GOP candidates on how Trump polls in specific districts https://t.co/XBEHYdB0HF pic.twitter.com/v035CsQGtk
— Nausicaa Renner (@nausjcaa) November 19, 2019
re: #284 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
The problem is just how many of those polled are ‘wrong Americans’, not ‘Real Americans’.
Real American-ness is solely the province of Republicans, remember. They ‘re the only ones who are truly and wholly legitimate by default, and everyone else is a fake whose Americanness is conditional.
re: #286 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
You wouldn’t want Republicans deciding they should run against Trump, would you? //
re: #287 Citizen K
The problem is just how many of those polled are ‘wrong Americans’, not ‘Real Americans’.
Real American-ness is solely the province of Republicans, remember. They ‘re the only ones who are truly and wholly legitimate by default, and everyone else is a fake whose Americanness is conditional.
They are the only ones who own guns as well.
re: #286 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
That the RNC isn’t sharing that data tells you the bottom is falling out and if the party faithful knew the extent of the damage, they’d turn on Trump so fast they’d make your head spin. They would act so fast because time is so short to find a replacement to run in Trump’s stead.
Fuck that- let them all hide the facts so the GOP is blind sided by reality. Let them suffer from the chaos and backstabbing. They deserve all that and more.
re: #279 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
A Democratic Congress cannot issue lawful subpoenas, only hunt witches…
Maybe the solution is for the Democrats to find a large duck and then see if Trump and it weigh the same.
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Val Demings (following applause for Vindman)—she’s always good.
💣 BOMBSHELL 💣
Jordan just ripped Vindman & got an essential, damning piece of information:
Jordan asked if Vindman was the source for the whistleblower.
Vindman: “I did my job”
BOOM
FACT: Vindman went outside his chain-of-command to leak classified National Security info: pic.twitter.com/y22JQ9viLE— Benny (@bennyjohnson) November 19, 2019
This Turning Point nitwit thinks this is damning information. It’s bulkshit spun from nonsense assumptions - that Vindman was source for whistleblower or that Vindman somehow broke the law.
Recall Vindman is testifying under oath, and these right wing yahoos can just spew nonsense without fear of repercussion from Trump on down.
There’s no fact that Vindman went outside the chain of command.
And if the information Vindman was putting together ended up in the hands of the whistleblower because of the WB role in govt, that’s not Vindman if Vindman followed the law.
These people… are fucking nuts.
It’s always been a crock that the GOP loves the troops.They just use them as a weapon to beat their rivals. But they’ve rarely shown it so nakedly as under Trump, which isn’t surprising since in spite of his professed love for the military he only loves parades and war criminals
— digby (@digby56) November 19, 2019
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Ratcliffe literally making a Trump Tower out of damning testimony is priceless. pic.twitter.com/B2MRaraM6o
— Scott Linnen (@ScottLinnen) November 19, 2019
Just checked my “Wingnuts” list and whoa. The sheer insanity of the right is truly disturbing. These people are SO fucked up.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 19, 2019
It’s starting to occur to the Republicans that Trump is essentially finished, but it’s too late for them to abandon the sinking ship. What we now see is the desperate thrashing of trapped rats.
Vindman: If I were to testify against the president in Russia, I would be killed.
Congressman: What makes you say you’ll be okay, telling the truth here?
Vindman: Because this is America.
(applause)
(DNC ad-makers jumping on a useful snippet)
Chairman Schiff just debunked the entire House Republican smokescreen in a single sentence:
Lt. Col. Vindman’s former boss Tim Morrison also went to the NSC lawyer to directly report wrongdoing, and he’s going to be testifying later in the week.#VindmanTestimony— Grant Stern (@grantstern) November 19, 2019
re: #294 lawhawk
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This Turning Point nitwit thinks this is damning information. It’s bulkshit spun from nonsense assumptions - that Vindman was source for whistleblower or that Vindman somehow broke the law.
Recall Vindman is testifying under oath, and these right wing yahoos can just spew nonsense without fear of repercussion from Trump on down.
There’s no fact that Vindman went outside the chain of command.
And if the information Vindman was putting together ended up in the hands of the whistleblower because of the WB role in govt, that’s not Vindman if Vindman followed the law.
These people… are fucking nuts.
Even if Vindman went outside the chain of command, if he believed his superiors were violating the law or not transmitting information regarding violations of the law to their proper superiors he had at the very least a moral obligation to go outside the chain of command to report such.
And coming from Jordan, of all fucking people, this “well, all you have to do is tell your boss” bullshit is just the crystallization of moral cowardice in the face wrongdoing.
Schiff now delivering closing remarks. Says he wants to address some of the evidence presented before we wrap.
— Brandi Buchman (@BBuchman_CNS) November 19, 2019
Schiff: Are you aware, when you say, you had this problem w/Vindman going to a lawyer not a supervisor, Morrison didn’t go to superviser either.
In that case, Schiff says, he hopes his colleagues will “give him the same hard time” if such an offense.— Brandi Buchman (@BBuchman_CNS) November 19, 2019
Schiff: My colleagues say this is OK, it is OK it was a failed effort.
That does not make it any less odious, he says.— Brandi Buchman (@BBuchman_CNS) November 19, 2019
Schiff recalling the comment re: Trump “doesn’t give a shit about Ukraine.”
“The president may not care about it. But we care about our defense and defense of our allies and we darn well care about our Constitution.”
We are adjourned for the first half of today.— Brandi Buchman (@BBuchman_CNS) November 19, 2019
re: #292 The Pie Overlord!
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re: #303 KGxvi
Even if Vindman went outside the chain of command, if he believed his superiors were violating the law or not transmitting information regarding violations of the law to their proper superiors he had at the very least a moral obligation to go outside the chain of command to report such.
And coming from Jordan, of all fucking people, this “well, all you have to do is tell your boss” bullshit is just the crystallization of moral cowardice in the face wrongdoing.
“My boss (cinc) on Twitter is publicly threatening everyone who is testifying”
re: #133 lawhawk
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Be interesting to see who comes on board as their legal counsel.
My meeting ended…are we done for the day? There are more folks testifying today, right?
“This is America. This is the country I’ve served and defended. That all my brothers have served and defended. And here, right matters.” @NicolleDWallace reads the portion of the #VindmanTestimony that prompted applause in the hearing room. #ImpeachmentHearing #VindmanIsAHero pic.twitter.com/RHx6fP1zjS
— Richard Hine (@richardhine) November 19, 2019
re: #306 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
“My boss (cinc) on Twitter is publicly threatening everyone who is testifying”
This bit of it kind of reminds me of the Sandusky/Paterno/Penn St story. If we have learned anything in the time since, it’s not enough to just say “well, I told my boss, that’s all I had to do.” If your boss isn’t going to do the right thing, go to their boss, and all then all the way up if you have to… and if that doesn’t work, there’s the press (or if you’re in government, the Congress)
Merrick Fucking Garland. https://t.co/cA3RjnZIyY
— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) November 19, 2019
Grotesque conspiracy-monger Jack Posobiec is calling for Col. Vindman to be court-martialed. pic.twitter.com/BwY5s6aCCV
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 19, 2019
I don’t know who I should believe — the career servants risking their jobs and lives to tell the truth or the guy who lies about absolutely everything all the time.
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) November 19, 2019
re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth
The USMCA… you mean the modest revisions to NAFTA that Trump tried to brag about being some major breakthrough?
re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth
“We already passed NAFTA. Just because you want to change the name, like you do for post offices, doesn’t mean you’re doing anything really productive.”
Should I be surprised that murder is not a violation of Twitter terms of service?
He is loyal to his country and the rule of law, something I would not expect a murderer such as yourself to understand or respect.
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) November 19, 2019
This may be old news. I didn’t know about it
It’s hard to turn on cable news or scroll through Twitter these days without catching the name “Giuliani.” Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump’s personal attorney, is a central character in the House’s impeachment inquiry. Meanwhile, Rudy’s third wife, Judith Giuliani, has commanded her own headlines as she’s aired details of the couple’s contentious, ongoing divorce proceedings. Scarcely mentioned, however, is Andrew Giuliani—the former New York mayor’s 31-year-old son—who works in the White House
re: #317 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
I saw something about that the other day. My first thought was, whoa, Rudy’s kid is an actual adult (I just remember him from a lot of the post-9/11 stuff being a pre-teen on stage). My second thought was, upon reading that the CoS didn’t want to give him and job and Trump overruled him, “of fucking course.”
re: #317 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)
Ah, Andrew… who I remember when he was scampering around on the stage at Rudy’s inauguration as mayor and making faces….
And then later when he was involved in scandal at Duke where he was ultimately cut from the golf team and he sued (and then dropped the case).
Now, he’s in Trumpworld doing who knows what.
It’s a fitting trajectory.
Glad there’s a break in the action. Off to vote in the city council runoff—voting for the mildly annoying incumbent (who, at one time was Dem county chair, but now will not admit to being a Dem if she wants any chance of winning) over the little twit who destroyed the work my city committee was trying to do and is so far up the mayor’s ass, he can see her tonsils.
South Carolina- too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum.
re: #320 BeachDem
Glad there’s a break in the action. Off to vote in the city council runoff—voting for the mildly annoying incumbent (who, at one time was Dem county chair, but now will not admit to being a Dem if she wants any chance of winning) over the little twit who destroyed the work my city committee was trying to do and is so far up the mayor’s ass, he can see her tonsils.
South Carolina- too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum.
I question that bit about being too large for an insane asylum. There’s about 327m people in the US. If there’s a crazification factor of 27%, that’s about 88m people. I think we could fit them all in South Carolina. It’d be tight (about 2750 people per sq mile), but it might just work.
Some Twitter wingnuts are trying to get a talking point started — apparently liberals all “HATE THE TROOPS” so they’re hypocrites for making a hero out of Lt. Col. Vindman. This is how they’re trying to rationalize the hateful shit they’re spewing at him.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 19, 2019
re: #322 KGxvi
Naw, pick a square state - easier for the borders.
Whisk them all off to…. .COLORADO…. /George Carlin.
re: #324 lawhawk
Naw, pick a square state - easier for the borders.
Whisk them all off to…. .COLORADO…. /George Carlin.
Good skiing in Colorado, and they’d have access to the AF Academy. Maybe Wyoming? Or one of the Dakotas?
re: #318 KGxvi
I saw something about that the other day. My first thought was, whoa, Rudy’s kid is an actual adult (I just remember him from a lot of the post-9/11 stuff being a pre-teen on stage). My second thought was, upon reading that the CoS didn’t want to give him and job and Trump overruled him, “of fucking course.”
but not nepotism of course
he was the absolutely best person in the entire country for this critical job
re: #323 Charles Johnson
resolving cognitive dissonance can be painful
Some Twitter wingnuts are trying to get a talking point started — apparently liberals all “HATE THE TROOPS” so they’re hypocrites for making a hero out of Lt. Col. Vindman. This is how they’re trying to rationalize the hateful shit they’re spewing at him.
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 19, 2019
re: #286 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀
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Mike, you sold your soul like all the other rethugs. Deal with it.
someone’s taking their daddy being exposed as a criminal pretty hard https://t.co/80KP8MK5H1
— Oliver Willis (@owillis) November 19, 2019
Well, this is newsy:
re: #330 jaunte
To Don Jr, “chain of command” means “doing whatever my daddy tells you to do and not talking about to anyone”.
The murderous war criminal Trump pardoned is attacking Lt. Col. Vindman. pic.twitter.com/Nok9DzwfkM
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 19, 2019
re: #322 KGxvi
I question that bit about being too large for an insane asylum. There’s about 327m people in the US. If there’s a crazification factor of 27%, that’s about 88m people. I think we could fit them all in South Carolina. It’d be tight (about 2750 people per sq mile), but it might just work.
I’ll bring it up at the next convention.
And what are the fucking odds that, while I was talking to a friend/poll worker after voting, the little twit himself shows up at my precinct. Turnout really low—hope it helps the incumbent.
re: #325 KGxvi
Good skiing in Colorado, and they’d have access to the AF Academy. Maybe Wyoming? Or one of the Dakotas?
nah, give them an ugly state the rest of us don’t want. Oklahoma?
re: #325 KGxvi
Good skiing in Colorado, and they’d have access to the AF Academy. Maybe Wyoming? Or one of the Dakotas?
Combine the Dakotas—that solves more than one problem.
Simple question: Armed forces members take an oath to defend the CONSTITUTION and NOT the President, right?
re: #338 BeachDem
Combine the Dakotas—that solves more than one problem.
Except that someone will obviously sioux about the combination followed by the forced resettlement into the area.
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re: #325 KGxvi
Good skiing in Colorado, and they’d have access to the AF Academy. Maybe Wyoming? Or one of the Dakotas?
Montana…it has meth…
re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg
Simple question: Armed forces members take an oath to defend the CONSTITUTION and NOT the President, right?
re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg
Simple question: Armed forces members take an oath to defend the CONSTITUTION and NOT the President, right?
and are compelled only to obey all LAWFUL orders
re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth
Montana…it has meth…
What was the point of that…was it to show that anyone could be a meth addict? Or…??
re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth
Montana…it has meth…
Aren’t the Dakotas (or at least one of them) already on meth by their own admittance?
;)
re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg
Simple question: Armed forces members take an oath to defend the CONSTITUTION and NOT the President, right?
Right.
re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth
Montana…it has meth…
They can’t have Montana.
Glacier National Park, part of Yellowstone, Whitefish…
re: #345 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
Aren’t the Dakotas (or at least one of them) already on meth by their own admittance?
;)
Montana has just unveiled its new meth campaign
South Dakota taxpayers paid $450k for a new anti-meth PSA campaign. And here’s what the state came up with https://t.co/1MATJPBULv pic.twitter.com/bsZKkXCPNL
— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) November 18, 2019
re: #338 BeachDem
Combine the Dakotas—that solves more than one problem.
I’m still very confused as to why we had to have two Dakotas
moron is just spewing on twitter…at least two dozen tweets/retweets since Schiff adjourned
re: #349 KGxvi
I’m still very confused as to why we had to have two Dakotas
Meth Dakota and Oxy Dakota
re: #80 steve_davis
Cool!
I almost bought a used Ric bass a million years ago. I thought it was the coolest thing I’d seen - nicely worn finish, checkerboard binding, switch tip replaced with either a die or a skull, can’t remember. Put down some money to put it on layaway, when I went back to pay off the rest I found out the shop guy forgot to mark it as sold or to put it in the back and it got sold to someone else, who had zero interest in giving it back. (Big surprise.)
So they sold me a MIJ Precision for about wholesale. All black, black hardware, rosewood fingerboard, and the neck was PERFECT. So of course it was stolen less than a year later.
re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth
moron is just spewing on twitter…at least two dozen tweets/retweets since Schiff adjourned
He’s also appeared in public for the first time since the very routine and not at all unusual medical evaluation on Saturday. We can rule out a stroke.
re: #349 KGxvi
I’m still very confused as to why we had to have two Dakotas
To get more GOP senators apparently.
From wikipedia page on South Dakota:
” …growing population and political concerns (admitting two states meant having four new senators for the Republican Party) caused Dakota Territory to be divided in half and President Benjamin Harrison signed proclamations formally admitting South Dakota and North Dakota to the union on November 2, 1889. Harrison had the papers shuffled to obscure which one was signed first and the order went unrecorded.”
re: #349 KGxvi
I’m still very confused as to why we had to have two Dakotas
Interestingly enough, you can partially blame Republicans. From the Wikipedia entry on the Dakota Territory:
The territorial capital was Yankton from 1861 until 1883, when it was moved to Bismarck. The Dakota Territory was divided into the states of North Dakota and South Dakota on November 2, 1889. The admission of two states, as opposed to one, was done for a number of reasons. The two population centers in the territory were in the northeast and southeast corners of the territory, several hundred miles away from each other. On a national level, there was pressure from the Republican Party to admit two states to add to their political power in the Senate
Comrade Dougie,
Really wish you and other GOP zealots would take time to read circumstances around adoption of Constitution. The founders had defeated a monarch and established a republic; their greatest fear was a restoration of the monarchy. Impeachment was their solution.— MaterialMat[REDACTED] (@MM2LLC) November 19, 2019
re: #354 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
re: #355 Eclectic Cyborg
This write up from Time Magazine covers a lot of the internal issues as well. This bit made me laugh:
Perhaps not coincidentally, there was also a bit of a personality difference between the two regions: the south thought the north was a bit disreputable, Porter says, “too much controlled by the wild folks, cattle ranchers, fur traders” and too frequently the site of conflict with the indigenous population.
The GOP rank and file have turned into lemmings. Or perhaps a better analogy is rats following the Trump Pied Piper off into the wilderness.
re: #356 dirkdigglerjr
But only North Dakota has Fargo North Decoder!
Is that a young, un-freckled Morgan Freeman?
re: #357 Dread Pirate
That’s why the Founders put this whole impeachment clause in the *checks notes* The US Constitution, Article I, Sections 2 and 3, and then Article II, Sections 2 and 4.
It’s as though they spent a lot of time thinking about how to impeach and remove someone from the presidency.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 19, 2019
These fuckers think that they can bluster and bulkshit their way to avoiding impeachment by claiming that the Founders didn’t envision this scenario?
Bulkshit.
They spent a lot of time thinking about impeachment, and giving Congress the power to remove a sitting president who engages in criminal conduct - high crimes and misdemeanors and bribery.
The thing the Founders would never get past is that Trump has engaged in all kinds of misconduct that the Founders would consider treasonous, and they wouldn’t just seek impeachment and removal, but prosecution and execution for treason.
They took those things seriously.
re: #360 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
Yes it is. The other clip I found had Bill Cosby. Opted not to go with that one.
The larger issue of Trump being in thrall to Putin is part of the reason for the natural born citizen clause. The Founders were concerned that someone who had loyalty to another country couldn’t properly serve American interests.
Granted, it’s a rather pre-modern view of loyalty - that it is something inherent in a person when they’re born rather than something earned over time - but at the time it probably made sense.
But the actions of Trump and Vindman today should serve as a reminder that this pre-modern view of loyalty is stupid.
re: #362 dirkdigglerjr
Yes it is. The other clip I found had Bill Cosby. Opted not to go with that one.
Shame, because I have only the fondest memories of his comedy routines and acting as a kid…
re: #353 KGxvi
He’s also appeared in public for the first time since the very routine and not at all unusual medical evaluation on Saturday. We can rule out a stroke.
I’m still thinking it was a panic attack
re: #357 Dread Pirate
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So this is a new Republican talking point? “It’s all political so we should all just forget Trump’s crimes and malfeasances?”
The Founding Fathers wrote the parameters of the impeachment process right into the Constitution: and left them fairly openly-defined. AND: delegated the impeachment power to the Legislative Branch. Impeachments are always “political” in some way: but that doesn’t mean they should be lightly dismissed solely on those grounds.
And if the whole thing is just because “Dems don’t like President Trump” - why are they bothering to conduct these hearings/examine these witnesses with such punctilious regard for legal process (GOP squawking notwithstanding)?
Moron.
re: #364 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))
My ex-wife’s fundamentalist relatives thought Bill Cosby was so wonderful because he was funny without being profane. The difference between words and utterly horrific deeds.
Mrsddjr doesn’t have any family alive, though her father was a staunch Democrat who was awarded the Bronze Star for his service at Guadalcanal.
re: #357 Dread Pirate
he founders had defeated a monarch and established a republic; their greatest fear was a restoration of the monarchy. Impeachment was their solution.
No.
Their greatest fear was foreign interference in our democracy.
re: #361 lawhawk
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These fuckers think that they can bluster and bulkshit their way to avoiding impeachment by claiming that the Founders didn’t envision this scenario?
Bulkshit.
They spent a lot of time thinking about impeachment, and giving Congress the power to remove a sitting president who engages in criminal conduct - high crimes and misdemeanors and bribery.
The thing the Founders would never get past is that Trump has engaged in all kinds of misconduct that the Founders would consider treasonous, and they wouldn’t just seek impeachment and removal, but prosecution and execution for treason.
They took those things seriously.
One of the great flaws of American history is that Congress has been too slow to use impeachment. Jackson should have been impeached for the Trail of Tears, Grant probably should have been impeached for rampant corruption, Harrison for the Teapot Dome Scandal, Truman regarding Youngstown Steel and declaring an emergency, Nixon for Watergate, possibly Ford for the Nixon pardons, Reagan for Iran Contra, Clinton’s for perjury/lying under oath, GWB for Iraq lies. There’s probably more examples.
The problem is from the beginning Congress has bristled at executive overreach while also being ok with it. In part because a stronger executive relieves Congress of having to make tough decisions.
re: #368 dirkdigglerjr
My ex-wife’s fundamentalist relatives thought Bill Cosby was so wonderful because he was funny without being profane. The difference between words and utterly horrific deeds.
Especially his stories about childhood, To Russel My Brother and The Giant Chicken Heart, had me in tears
re: #370 KGxvi
One of the great flaws of American history is that Congress has been too slow to use impeachment. Jackson should have been impeached for the Trail of Tears, Grant probably should have been impeached for rampant corruption, Harrison for the Teapot Dome Scandal, Truman regarding Youngstown Steel and declaring an emergency, Nixon for Watergate, possibly Ford for the Nixon pardons, Reagan for Iran Contra, Clinton’s for perjury/lying under oath, GWB for Iraq lies. There’s probably more examples.
The problem is from the beginning Congress has bristled at executive overreach while also being ok with it. In part because a stronger executive relieves Congress of having to make tough decisions.
“Rampant corruption” in the Grant Administration is a slander. It’s a lie, fomented by unreconstructed Confederates who couldn’t stand that he sent the US Army to fuck up the Klan.
re: #367 Jay C
So this is a new Republican talking point? “It’s all political so we should all just forget Trump’s crimes and malfeasances?”
The Founding Fathers wrote the parameters of the impeachment process right into the Constitution: and left them fairly openly-defined. AND: delegated the impeachment power to the Legislative Branch. Impeachments are always “political” in some way: but that doesn’t mean they should be lightly dismissed solely on those grounds.
And if the whole thing is just because “Dems don’t like President Trump” - why are they bothering to conduct these hearings/examine these witnesses with such punctilious regard for legal process (GOP squawking notwithstanding)?
Moron.
lets remember what they’re doing
they are building a narrative that’s not totally and completely transparent and moronic which will allow them to (plausibly) vote not guilty so when they are next up for re-election they wont get steamrolled
they are not participating in the process as zealous representing the president’s interests / everyone deserves a defense, etc
they are throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks best (will hurt them least) and will eventually use that as the justification for their vote
they’d not appear at all if that tactic would work better
their calculus is entirely political and as far removed from the facts, evidence and process as could possibly be
there is nothing more to this
thats why im not arguing explaining, point out, correcting, etc, most any of this. it’s a pointless exercise that will fall either on deaf ears or on those who already traffic only in facts