The Bob Cesca Podcast: Freaks and Weirdos

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show, powered by Nicholas Braswell Attorney at Law:

Freaks And Weirdos — NSFW! Jody Hamilton and TRex David Ferguson are here; Days five and six of the public testimony in the impeachment of Donald Trump; Sondland’s bombshell testimony on Wednesday; Fiona Hill and David Holmes today; Everyone was in the loop; Sean Patrick Maloney nails Sondland; Trump’s chopper talk meltdown; Fiona Hill exposes the stupid CrowdStrike conspiracy theory; Holmes on the Kyiv phone call; Romney and Collins met with Trump; Vindman needs Army security after Trump tweet; With music by Pride Fails and Seth Adam; and more!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:16:23pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:27:29pm
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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:32:12pm

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:32:51pm

Uh oh, we have a live one here.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:33:51pm

Our new friend Gary is a proud American who hates Muslims and liberals according to his Twitter profile.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:36:26pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:36:52pm
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Mescalero09  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:37:21pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Bring him in. Introduce him to everyone. Ask him what he really thinks.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:37:43pm

My caption to the Nunes/Castor photo above would be “look at this stupid tweet from the reality-based party.”

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Mescalero09  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:40:14pm

Devin Nunes today as Fiona Hill stared at him.

Scanners Head Explosion Scene

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:48:28pm

re: #7 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2019 • 4:50:50pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Uh oh, we have a live one here.

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sadly, it’s only their own asses they’re kicking these days

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:00:18pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:02:40pm

NOVEMBER 22, 1963: DEATH OF THE PRESIDENT, JFK library

President Kennedy was aware that a feud among party leaders in Texas could jeopardize his chances of carrying the state in 1964, and one of his aims for the trip was to bring Democrats together. He also knew that a relatively small but vocal group of extremists was contributing to the political tensions in Texas and would likely make its presence felt—particularly in Dallas, where US Ambassador to the United Nations Adlai Stevenson had been physically attacked a month earlier after making a speech there. Nonetheless, JFK seemed to relish the prospect of leaving Washington, getting out among the people and into the political fray.

The attack on Stevenson refers to an incident with a crazed Bircher woman after his speech.

At one point a woman hit Stevenson on the head with a sign, leading Stevenson to remark “is she animal or human?”, and telling a policeman “I don’t want her to go to jail, I want her to go to school.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:03:58pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:09:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:12:55pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

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at least it’s only ice water and not sweet tea…imagine the sugar overload if it was southern-style sweet tea…YIKES!

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:13:19pm
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Mike Lamb  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:14:04pm

re: #13 Dread Pirate

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Of course he did. Such a POS toadie.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:14:07pm

Exclusive: FBI official under investigation after allegedly altering document in 2016 Russia probe

An FBI official is under criminal investigation after allegedly altering a document related to 2016 surveillance of a Trump campaign adviser, several people briefed on the matter told CNN.

The possibility of a substantive change to an investigative document is likely to fuel accusations from President Donald Trump and his allies that the FBI committed wrongdoing in its investigation of connections between Russian election meddling and the Trump campaign.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:14:47pm

re: #18 The Pie Overlord!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:17:01pm

REVEALED! Putin’s ultimate plan!


This would be the most hideous and far-reaching disaster in human history. Having the Soviets back wouldn’t be so great either.
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:19:29pm

re: #15 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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It’s running around in a cemetery and eating candle wax. I dunno, but that’s kinda weird.

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terraincognita  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:21:14pm

re: #21 jaunte

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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” (H. L. Mencken)

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:21:34pm
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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:22:32pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

at least it’s only ice water and not sweet tea…imagine the sugar overload if it was southern-style sweet tea…YIKES!

Possum Every Five Seconds

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Mike Lamb  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:22:59pm

re: #20 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Awesome.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:24:13pm

re: #20 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:29:54pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:33:38pm
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stpaulbear  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:36:57pm

re: #25 gocart mozart

The cafeteria at work has barbecue chicken pizza as an option about once a week.

I tend to go with the cream of cornstarch soup instead.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:37:08pm

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stpaulbear  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:39:08pm

re: #13 Dread Pirate

I hope the Dems can call Fiona Hill as a witness.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:39:46pm

re: #25 gocart mozart

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and pineapple…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:40:46pm

re: #29 jaunte

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the son…the son has already been anointed by the soros-scaremongers…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:42:36pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

the son…the son has already been anointed by the soros-scaremongers…

Rep. Steve King Falsely IDs George Soros’ Son as Whistleblower

“Adam Schiff said, ‘I do not know the identity of the whistleblower,’” Rep. Steve King (R-CA) tweeted on Thursday morning, referring to remarks House Intelligence Committee chair Adam Schiff (D-CA) made in the first public impeachment hearing Wednesday.

@RepAdamSchiff here are four strong clues.”

King, trying to suggest the whistleblower is tight with top Democrats, attached four pictures of a bearded man standing with Democratic figures like Hillary Clinton, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA). The wording of King’s tweet implied that the unnamed man in the pictures is the whistleblower. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) then amplified King’s claim by quote-tweeting King’s photo collage.

The man in the pictures is Alexander Soros, whose father is often featured in anti-Semitic right-wing conspiracy theories.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:51:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:51:53pm

WE LIKE TO PARTY!!!

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:53:13pm
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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:53:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:55:33pm

re: #40 jaunte

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They’re creating an entire different reality for their viewers. Literally fake news. I don’t know how you’d define this legally but ethically it’s shameful and disgusting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:58:03pm
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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2019 • 5:58:09pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

WE LIKE TO PARTY!!!

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Great! I’m on old marching band member all through high school. When I went to the U of IL, women weren’t allowed in the marching band, so I volunteered as “secretary” and managed their music and marching patterns during my years there. Served as an usher on the floor of the Memorial Stadium, so got to enjoy our work from right on the spot! Soon after I graduated, women were made a part of the marching band. Shucks! Just missed it!

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:00:03pm
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:01:13pm

re: #25 gocart mozart

The Christmas dinner turkey sounds rather overloaded to me, but I’m kind of fascinated how people will render one type of pizza the worst thing invented by man. I wonder if he thinks they should only be made with a little oil and some cheese.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:01:37pm

re: #43 retired cynic

Great! I’m on old marching band member all through high school. When I went to the U of IL, women weren’t allowed in the marching band, so I volunteered as “secretary” and managed their music and marching patterns during my years there. Served as an usher on the floor of the Memorial Stadium, so got to enjoy our work from right on the spot! Soon after I graduated, women were made a part of the marching band. Shucks! Just missed it!

My high school was very small (about 300 students all told), so our band teacher had to coerce/bribe/whatever a bunch of students to just carry instruments and pretend to play them so we’d manage to have more than a dozen marchers on the field.

Actually, great fun was had by all and some of us actually managed to learn how to passably play an instrument.

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Charles Johnson  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:03:06pm
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:03:11pm

re: #31 stpaulbear

The cafeteria at work has barbecue chicken pizza as an option about once a week.

I tend to go with the cream of cornstarch soup instead.

I like bbq chicken pizza, and spinach pizza, and ham and pineapple, and supreme, and Mediterranean style, and …

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:04:45pm

for those who are unfamiliar:

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Jay C  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:05:13pm

re: #28 Patricia Kayden

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Whether or not Barr’s “Russia Probe Report” is credible or not - and from the sound of it there’s really not much “there” there (in IG Horowitz’s report anyway), it doesn’t have to be objectively “credible” to be believed. What it sounds like is that DoJ, once again acting mainly as Donald Trump’s personal law firm/investigators, has found some minor flaw or flaws in the 2016 election-meddling probes, and are going to magnify it (with as much faux-outrage, hysterical mis-reporting and overreaction as the RWNM is capable of) to try to deflect attention away from Trump’s obvious criminality, and feed into the Trump/GOP/RW “Deep State Conspiracy” self-victimization. It’s not a good sign that Trump’s Designated Senate Asskisser (Lindsey Graham) is ringmastering this: it’s likely the Senate GOP is going to try to leverage this petty “scandal” for all it’s worth.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:07:46pm
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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:08:23pm
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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:09:36pm

Nunes’ buddy…

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:11:22pm
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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:14:24pm
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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:17:50pm

Party of Liars, continued:

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:20:20pm
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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:22:33pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

My high school was very small (about 300 students all told), so our band teacher had to coerce/bribe/whatever a bunch of students to just carry instruments and pretend to play them so we’d manage to have more than a dozen marchers on the field.

Actually, great fun was had by all and some of us actually managed to learn how to passably play an instrument.

My high school was big, my graduating class was about 800 kids. They split the school the next year into two high schools, and I’m thankful I missed all that.

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BeachDem  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:25:52pm

re: #29 jaunte

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George Soros is 89. Do the right wing anti-semites have an heir in mind to blame everything on? Have they done responsible hate planning?

Steve King and his 4chan/Qanon buddies have already moved on to Soros’ son.

mediamatters.org

Edit—this is what happens when I fall behind—sorry, already posted many times above.

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gocart mozart  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:35:08pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:37:22pm

re: #44 gocart mozart

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Just waiting for Fucking Glenn Beck to start reading the Protocols…

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:37:27pm

re: #60 gocart mozart

wow

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:39:22pm

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stpaulbear  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:39:53pm

re: #58 retired cynic

My high school was big, my graduating class was about 800 kids. They split the school the next year into two high schools, and I’m thankful I missed all that.

My school was about that size too. My first year we were all jambed into one school. The second year we were spit into two schools, but the new building wasn’t finished yet so we had a morning shift and an afternoon shift for the first half-year. I was in the morning shift that started at about 6:30.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:40:03pm
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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:40:48pm

re: #64 stpaulbear

My school was about that size too. My first year we were all jambed into one school. The second year we were spit into two schools, but the new building wasn’t finished yet so we had a morning shift and an afternoon shift for the first half-year. I was in the morning shift that started at about 6:30.

Ugh, and I thought marching band practice at 730am was bad!

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:40:55pm

re: #57 Dread Pirate

I truly feel sorry for Daniel Dale. It’s got to be exhausted to fact-check such a prolific liar. Plus, it’s got to be distressing that this liar is the President of such an important country. I hope Trump loses for Dale’s sake.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:42:15pm

re: #58 retired cynic

My high school was big, my graduating class was about 800 kids. They split the school the next year into two high schools, and I’m thankful I missed all that.

My graduating class in 1973 had 365 kids.

At the 45th reunion last year only 56 were still living. The usual suspects took the lives of a lot of them but a big chunk died from opioids, alcohol, meth and HIV…

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:43:38pm

re: #68 Joe Bacon 🌹

That’s awful. I don’t know what percentage of my class is left. Never went to any of my reunions. If I remembered us, I wanted to remember things the way they were, and wanted people to remember me the way I was. (Well, I gained weight! bleah)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:45:57pm

re: #69 retired cynic

That’s awful. I don’t know what percentage of my class is left. Never went to any of my reunions. If I remembered us, I wanted to remember things the way they were, and wanted people to remember me the way I was. (Well, I gained weight! bleah)

I hated high school too much to waste any time at a reunion. Friends send me the latest. And it’s so sad to know my home town died when the mills close. Only 55 kids graduated in the 2019 class.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:47:58pm

re: #67 Patricia Kayden

I truly feel sorry for Daniel Dale. It’s got to be exhausted to fact-check such a prolific liar. Plus, it’s got to be distressing that this liar is the President of such an important country. I hope Trump loses for Dale’s sake.

For all of us. For the whole world.

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:48:29pm

re: #70 Joe Bacon 🌹

I loved most of my time there. Was horribly shy and couldn’t see well and had crooked teeth when I was in junior high. Started high school with contacts on and braces off, and got very involved with the music department, and found my feet. Still wasn’t popular or anything, so didn’t have any feelings about going back.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:49:45pm

I’m sure it will be punitive.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:52:09pm

Look who wants to be Tulsi when he grows up:

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:56:51pm

Here is your OH SHIT WE’RE FUCKED Tweet of the Day

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:56:58pm

re: #74 The Pie Overlord!

Look who wants to be Tulsi when he grows up:

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Mobsters are that way.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:57:44pm

re: #75 The Pie Overlord!

Here is your OH SHIT WE’RE FUCKED Tweet of the Day

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Julia needs to get off the internet and turn off the TV for a while.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:57:54pm
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 6:58:06pm

Did Kentucky and Louisiana just disappear?

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The Ghost of a Flea  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:00:51pm

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:00:55pm

re: #78 Dread Pirate

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“Do you have your Juche-care card?”

“Yes, I made it myself!”

“Very good; you are free to get well.”

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mmmirele  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:01:53pm

I am amused. The next two paragraphs are theological belly button lint classifying that will give you background for why I am amused, but you might want to skip this.

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My opinion, to be blunt, is I think Calvinism is a bunch of horseshit, so when I get the opportunity to poke at Calvinists, I take it. The last couple of days I’ve been needling on a woman who lives in Las Vegas, and her father is one of the pastors of the church I’ve picketed. Thing is, dad has had me blocked on Twitter for years after I criticized him about his LGBTQ beliefs. He called me a totalitarian and then blocked me. No matter, I have ways of keeping up with what he’s doing. Dad is also a stone racist, which I have put on a poster board and taped to my SUV while picketing.

Imagine my surprise this evening to find that he slid into my mentions! Perhaps Summer complained to daddy James and James unblocked me so he could give me grief. *smirk* I win this one.

And I realize I’ve been slacking on the picketing. I’m going to picket this Sunday, as my knee is getting almost back to normal and “light walking” was prescribed by the doctor. In the meantime, I’m going to crawl James’ Twitter feed, pulling out evidence that he’s a stone racist. I love a challenge.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:02:41pm

Watch (or not) as POS45 stumbles, slurs, & babbles his way through giving “Arts & Humanities” awards to a bunch of his asskissers. He has been xanaxed up to wazoo.
c-span.org

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:03:51pm

re: #40 jaunte

We have always been at war with EastAsia.

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:04:48pm

re: #83 The Pie Overlord!

not

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:06:05pm

Charles, Dog bless him, watches Hannity, so we don’t have to.

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wrenchwench  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:06:51pm

re: #85 retired cynic

not

I so appreciate having been offered the option.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:07:49pm

re: #73 Dread Pirate

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I’m sure it will be punitive.

Under what constitutional authority would they be able to have a homelessness plan for CA?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:08:27pm

re: #22 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

REVEALED! Putin’s ultimate plan!

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This would be the most hideous and far-reaching disaster in human history. Having the Soviets back wouldn’t be so great either.

I see this evil scheme includes alleged restaurant chain McDonald’s as well.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:11:19pm

This is good news, Barr wasn’t involved.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:12:03pm

re: #88 Mike Lamb

Under what constitutional authority would they be able to have a homelessness plan for CA?

They’re probably going to attempt to threaten federal money.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:13:32pm

And now Lindsay Graham is opening an investigation into The Bidens…

washingtonpost.com

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey O. Graham sent a letter to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Thursday requesting documents related to former vice president Joe Biden and his communications with Ukrainian officials, a step seen as a GOP effort to counter the House impeachment investigation of President Trump.

The inquiry by Graham (R-S.C.) is focused on any calls Biden may have had with Petro Poroshenko, then the Ukrainian president, regarding the firing of the country’s top prosecutor, as well as any that referenced an investigation of Burisma, the Ukrainian natural-gas company that employed Biden’s son Hunter Biden.

Graham’s document request suggests he is seeking to legitimize Trump’s accusations that Biden, then vice president, put pressure on Ukraine to fire its lead prosecutor to protect his son, a claim without evidence that has been disputed by officials familiar with the investigation.

I’m sure Barr will fabricate the evidence for #LeningradLindsay

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Romantic Heretic  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:15:38pm

re: #88 Mike Lamb

Under what constitutional authority would they be able to have a homelessness plan for CA?

Badges? We don’ need no steenkin’ badges.

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Mike Lamb  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:18:17pm

re: #91 Belafon

They’re probably going to attempt to threaten federal money.

I struggle to see how they could tie federal funding to addressing homelessness.

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makeitstop  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:20:40pm

re: #74 The Pie Overlord!

Look who wants to be Tulsi when he grows up:

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Dude shit talks my Knicks every chance he gets, so no vote for him.

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:20:41pm

re: #94 Mike Lamb

Bleeding heart pronouncement?

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:22:28pm

Whoa

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:24:25pm
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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:25:13pm

Witchunt?

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:26:04pm

re: #98 Dread Pirate

They are all such liars!

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mmmirele  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:26:44pm

re: #88 Mike Lamb

Under what constitutional authority would they be able to have a homelessness plan for CA?

I don’t know, but this sounds suspiciously like a homeless plan that has been proposed for Redding, California.

Redding Mayor Envisions Forcing Homeless People To Stay In Temporary Shelter

Mayor Julie Winter says Redding is overwhelmed with people camping in public spaces and along the Sacramento River, which is why she’d like the city to establish a new shelter that forces homeless people to stay there.

“That might be a low-security facility, but it’s not a facility you could just leave because you wanted to,” Winter says. “You need to get clean, you need to get sober, you need to demonstrate self-sufficiency, and once you do that you’re free to go.”

ijpr.org

Uhm, sounds like a prison.

Redding is under a lot of stress right now. It has a big Charismatic church, Bethel, which runs the “Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry” aka “Christian Hogwarts.” Thousands of people come from around the world to take unaccredited classes at this outfit. The church also puts on a lot of weekend seminars and attracts people from all over the US and the world. As a result, locals are being priced out of their rentals and forced to move elsewhere—or they become homeless. Plus there’s a lot of antagonism between the Bethelites (who have infiltrated the city council, the chamber of commerce and other institutions) and the people who find Bethel’s goal of wanting to make Redding a “kingdom city” unpalatable.

Mayor Julie Winter is an elder at Bethel. *scowl*

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retired cynic  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:29:43pm

re: #101 mmmirele

They should ask JK Rowling for her opinion on “Christian Hogwarts.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:30:15pm

For anyone interested.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:36:47pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:37:13pm

Even the Fed wont escape Trump’s corruption.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:39:40pm

re: #90 Dread Pirate

This is good news, Barr wasn’t involved.

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Sounds like the FBI understands there are some things they have to do behind the scenes without letting Barr get wind of it because he’ll almost certainly try to put the kibosh on it.

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jaunte  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:47:33pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:56:52pm

Fiona Hill threw some water on Fuckface Q. Clownstick and now he’s MELTING

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:57:19pm

We’re going to have to spend the next 20 years deprogramming the Trumpites and the conspiracy dupe culture of ignorance that made Trumpism possible. A complete top to bottom scrub down will be necessary, from quack tax exemptions to unregistered foreign agents to corrupt local politicians.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:58:29pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

We’re going to have to spend the next 20 years deprogramming the Trumpites and the conspiracy dupe culture of ignorance that made Trumpism possible. A complete top to bottom scrub down will be necessary, from quack tax exemptions to unregistered foreign agents to corrupt local politicians.

Since I will be 90 in 20 years, younger Lizards will have to see this through. I pass my torch to you. Light ‘em up!

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:59:03pm
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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 7:59:45pm

re: #105 Dread Pirate

Even the Fed wont escape Trump’s corruption.

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It looks like Trump is intent on repeating every action Nixon did, including an attempt at directly manipulating money markets.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:02:07pm

re: #109 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

There are a set of roughly related techniques used to help people in cults, and which is used these days by some secularists trying to deconvert the religious. Peter Boghossian wrote a popular book about the basics.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:11:51pm

Interesting story, and one with which I was not familiar. A cavalry troop at the time was about 50 men. Lt. Rubottom was white, as were all officers then, but the other soldiers would all have been black.

Facebook Post

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:16:33pm
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Kilroy was here  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:24:25pm

re: #103 GlutenFreeJesus

For anyone interested.

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A truck designed with only a ruler… It is made of stainless steel..
It is tough… hit it with a sledge hammer and didn’t dent..

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Semper Fi  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:33:15pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Those beautiful leaves will soon fall. Gotta get the rakes out.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:33:28pm

The temperature at midnight will be the high tomorrow, and the temperature drops all day.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:46:11pm

re: #116 Kilroy was here

The glass broke though. lol

That air suspension though. Awesome.

$70k tri-motor model 0-60 in 2.9 sec. 14k towing capacity. Damn.

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mmmirele  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:52:58pm

re: #82 mmmirele

James White is a stone racist

This is the tweet that got James White a TON of notoriety in June. To me, the racism just jumps out at me. Anyone disagree?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:53:40pm

re: #120 mmmirele

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This is the tweet that got James White a TON of notoriety in June. To me, the racism just jumps out at me. Anyone disagree?

Well, the guy’s name IS…”White”…

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:53:47pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:55:43pm

re: #116 Kilroy was here

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:56:46pm

re: #103 GlutenFreeJesus

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2019 • 8:57:57pm
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Semper Fi  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:00:40pm

re: #68 Joe Bacon 🌹

My graduating class in 1973 had 365 kids.

At the 45th reunion last year only 56 were still living. The usual suspects took the lives of a lot of them but a big chunk died from opioids, alcohol, meth and HIV…

That is incredibly sad…309 of 365 are gone after only 45 years.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:01:56pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:04:04pm

re: #123 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I was expecting something looking like the Ford Nucleon!

Atomic Facts: The Ford Nucleon

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:04:16pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

It looks like a car from the set of Ghost in the Shell.

I bet you could mount a machine gun turret on that, and drive across lava.

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goddamnedfrank  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:07:55pm
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:08:34pm

Christ guys, it’s so fuckin’ bad

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:09:17pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

It’s the vehicle the goons will use to round up the homeless and put them in camps.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:11:07pm

For some reason I’m watching episodes of the UK show “Homes Under The Hammer”, which is a kind of property flipping show.

They love the phrase “on the ladder” and “the property ladder”.

It’s a phrase sort of out of favor here.

Anyway, I find “the property ladder” one of the saddest comments about homo sapiens.

But all these real estate flippers spare nary a thought for the big picture.

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:14:16pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

If the guy who built the first ironclad had designed a truck, that would be it.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:14:52pm

re: #119 GlutenFreeJesus

Priced to compete against the F-250. He should have brought this out five years ago, trucks are what make the money.

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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:16:38pm

re: #134 Belafon

The Tesla Merrimack.

en.m.wikipedia.org

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:21:58pm

It is an interesting study in what we expect from a vehicle. It sounds like it was meant to take punishment. Be we definitely choose to sacrifice some of that for style.

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mmmirele  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:23:00pm

re: #120 mmmirele

So I was dredging Twitter to see what would come up with a search of James White racist and gosh, it didn’t take no time at all.

Here’s the pastor of a black church in Philly not mincing words about James White, and this is from last week:

Eric Mason calls James White ‘racist’ for calling black churches ‘especially’ theologically unsound

*snip*
[from White’s podcast earlier this year]

“What struck me was there is in a sense — oh boy am I gonna get in trouble for this — in many churches of whatever ethnic mix, there is an anti-intellectualism, an anti-church history-ism, there is an anti-theology-ism, there is an anti-Bible translation, Bible transmission-ism, and it’s seen in the fact that it’s almost never addressed … but it’s especially true in black churches. It’s just the reality. The idea of sound doctrine, church history, there are so few,” White said in the clip posted by Mason on Facebook Tuesday.

christianpost.com

I read stuff like that and it’s like “Summer, I have absolutely no problem calling your father a stone racist, because he is one.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:29:39pm
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uriel  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:31:05pm

re: #105 Dread Pirate

Even the Fed wont escape Trump’s corruption.

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It’s hard to overestimate just how messed up this is. If the Fed becomes just another political tool presidents can use in their re-election efforts, we will effectively be in a position where the entire world economy is just another bread-and-circus giveaway to potential supporters.

Rome fell for many reasons- the intermingling of the empires economy with the petty political aspirations of it’s rulers was just one.

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Kilroy was here  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:32:49pm

Well I see another thing they copied from the ugliest vehicle ever..
Aztek…


And the Cybrtrk
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goddamnedfrank  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:43:45pm

Accurate af

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Belafon  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:53:23pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

Accurate af

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It was a prize in Running Man I think.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 21, 2019 • 9:55:57pm
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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 10:00:53pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 21, 2019 • 10:07:56pm

re: #141 Kilroy was here

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

It’s as if a Mad Max vehicle had a child with vehicle from the U.F.O 1960’s TV show:

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 21, 2019 • 10:11:33pm

Coming up next from Elon, the ultimate urban delivery vehicle:

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Nov 21, 2019 • 10:27:10pm

Tesla’s next move will be into the public transport arena.

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Sherlock Hound  Nov 21, 2019 • 10:44:16pm

re: #148 Grunthos the Flatulent

That won’t fit those tiny tunnels he wants to build!

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Dread Pirate  Nov 21, 2019 • 11:11:08pm

Devin did not tweet today. I wonder why he’s so quiet.

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Ace-o-aces  Nov 21, 2019 • 11:18:28pm
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 21, 2019 • 11:33:29pm

re: #151 Ace-o-aces

Poor Fredo.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:06:33am
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Dread Pirate  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:17:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:18:07am

re: #74 The Pie Overlord!

Andrew Yang said the impeachment inquiry may not help Dems win back the White House in 2020 given the closing window for the party to “present a positive vision for the country.”

He is correct in that there is a window for maximum effect, but there is know way of knowing if that window has worked until we see the election returns next year…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:22:53am

re: #82 mmmirele

The kind of Calvinism that still lives on in American thinking is that Wealth is an Outward Sign of Inner Grace: that rich people are more blessed by God because they are more moral.

In an ideal world where your financial success was based entirely on the amount of effort you exerted, that might begin to make some sense.

It is also a throwback to the notion that kings and queens were put there by god to rule over us common sinners and were somehow closer to him.

In any case, it is good camel lubricant to help stuff that mother through the eye of a needle…

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Dread Pirate  Nov 22, 2019 • 12:37:27am
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Targetpractice  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:01:38am

re: #157 Dread Pirate

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Basically, they’re whining that Nancy is wrong for adopting Donny’s “negotiating” method of constantly changing his demands as soon as the other party agrees in part or whole to his previous ones.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2019 • 2:32:13am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The kind of Calvinism that still lives on in American thinking is that Wealth is an Outward Sign of Inner Grace: that rich people are more blessed by God because they are more moral.

In an ideal world where your financial success was based entirely on the amount of effort you exerted, that might begin to make some sense.

It is also a throwback to the notion that kings and queens were put there by god to rule over us common sinners and were somehow closer to him.

In any case, it is good camel lubricant to help stuff that mother through the eye of a needle…

Conservatism is also inherently hierarchial. Whether they call it the divine right of kings, or “the natural order of things” the bedrock of conservatism is that a rigid social hierarchy is not only desirable, but absolutely necessary in order to maintain a functioning society.

This is why conservatives freak out as society becomes increasingly egalitarian. They view egalitarianism as the worst possible thing that could befall a society, because from their POV, “the natural order of things” is being thrown out the window in favor a new social structure….one that means there’s an exceedingly good chance they won’t end up at the apex of the pyramid.

And that realization scares them to death.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:14:01am

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

Yes, the “War on Christianity” is simply them bemoaning that (Protestant) Christianity is no longer the de facto and default state religion in America, and that they can no longer use government institutions to promote it.

Nobody is banning the public practice of religion, just its propagation or display on community or government property.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:23:42am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, the “War on Christianity” is simply them bemoaning that (Protestant) Christianity is no longer the de facto and default state religion in America, and that they can no longer use government institutions to promote it.

Nobody is banning the public practice of religion, just its propagation or display on community or government property.

It makes them feel oppressed when they can’t discriminate against the people they hate; lgbtq, muslims, immigrants, women and poc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 3:26:48am

re: #161 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It makes them feel oppressed when they can’t discriminate against the people they hate; lgbtq, muslims, immigrants, women and poc.

Yes, at some point white people will become a demographic minority but will still remain the largest single ethnic group and the most dominant, economically and socially.

Nobody is going to Auschwitz you.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 22, 2019 • 4:15:42am

So now that we know that Republicans in the Senate are going to acquit Trump, what’s next? Once Trump is acquitted, he will feel empowered. I have no doubt that he will do something else which is unconstitutional soon after his acquittal. Can Democrats impeach him more than once?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 4:20:16am

re: #163 Patricia Kayden

So now that we know that Republicans in the Senate are going to acquit Trump, what’s next? Once Trump is acquitted, he will feel empowered. I have no doubt that he will do something else which is unconstitutional soon after his acquittal. Can Democrats impeach him more than once?

The DNC message and rallying cry:

“The GOP Senate had a job to do and punted. Now, voters, get out and finish what needs to be done!”

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sagehen  Nov 22, 2019 • 4:26:55am

re: #73 Dread Pirate

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I’m sure it will be punitive.

Scrooge are there no prisons

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steve_davis  Nov 22, 2019 • 4:27:21am

re: #146 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

It’s as if a Mad Max vehicle had a child with vehicle from the U.F.O 1960’s TV show:

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am i the only one who thinks that would be a cool-assed car to show up to work in?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 4:28:19am

re: #163 Patricia Kayden

So now that we know that Republicans in the Senate are going to acquit Trump, what’s next? Once Trump is acquitted, he will feel empowered. I have no doubt that he will do something else which is unconstitutional soon after his acquittal. Can Democrats impeach him more than once?

I vote for impeaching Barr.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 4:31:07am

A little pick me up for this morning.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2019 • 4:38:46am

I remember when Tesla revealed the Model 3. The interior? I thought it was just dumb. “Where are all the buttons?” I thought. “What a fail.” I thought. Then I ignored the car until my friend got one. I went over, sat in it. Drove it. I was truly shocked. It just worked. I ordered one later that day and it’s been the best car I’ve owned.

Not sure I “need” a truck. But a lot can happen in another year or two. I actually like the thing, if just for the performance aspect. If the top-of-the-line tri-motor really will get over 500 miles, that’d be what seals the deal for me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 4:41:57am

I will be happy to drive an electric car as soon as they are practical and affordable. I rarely make trips of more than 300 miles in one day

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 22, 2019 • 4:58:36am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 5:09:03am

This shit infuriates me. Really. Clinton=Nixon? Sure, Jan.

BTW, that Tim Alberta thread is interesting. Read it all.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 5:26:19am

HAHAHAHA!

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GlutenFreeJesus  Nov 22, 2019 • 5:27:04am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Model 3 Long Range would be perfect for this situation. ;)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 5:27:48am

re: #173 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

HAHAHAHA!

funny if she is playing along for sake of the video, otherwise really asshole creepy harassment

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2019 • 5:38:46am

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Related to the history

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Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2019 • 5:45:56am
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Shropshire Slasher  Nov 22, 2019 • 5:48:22am
Elon Musk was left dumbfounded Thursday night during a botched test of the Tesla’s first “bulletproof” electric pickup truck that left its windows smashed up.

The red-faced Tesla CEO tried to show off the durability of the Cybertruck’s “armor glass” windows by having chief designer Franz von Holzhausen throw a metal ball at them.

But the glass cracked, drawing groans from the crowd gathered in Los Angeles for the “Blade Runner”-inspired vehicle’s unveiling.

“Oh my f—ing God,” Musk muttered onstage. “Well, maybe that was a little too hard.”

Has an embedded video.

nypost.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 5:53:34am

re: #177 Dave In Austin

Pre selling his book.

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Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:01:31am

re: #179 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:02:48am

Yeah, this guy doesn’t sound out of his mind at all…

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:04:22am

re: #1 I Would Prefer Not To

That dumbfuck is regurgitating a bogus quote, and doesn’t get that the Founders would be absolutely horrified at everything Trumpworld has done. They’d have already impeached and removed Trump - not just for the criminal conduct, but for the overall lack of knowledge, skill, and competency to do anything other than try to enrich himself from the office, all while using foreign assistance to win in 2016 and get reelected in 2020.

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Patricia Kayden  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:10:37am
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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:13:15am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Trump’s on Faux this morning spewing his daily bulkshit, and Fox lets nearly all his lies slide, which is quite the feat.

Meanwhile, Bolton comes out of nowhere to post cryptic tweet about how he’s back… as though he was ever gone. This fucker is a coward who sent Hill to report Trump malfeasance instead of doing it himself.

Trumpists who claim that those who testify under oath somehow lied or got events wrong should buck up and testify under oath. If what they say is true, they’d have no reason to worry.

The problem is that it’s easy to lie when there are no repercussions. Testify and lie under oath? That’s perjury, on top of the other crimes that are directly involved here.

And with the GOP looking to game the Senate trial so that it ends with Trump not being removed from office, Democrats should instead look to pile on the articles of impeachment - everything from emoluments to every single instance of obstruction of justice, witness tampering, and every official act Trump took that violated federal law or undermined US natsec.

Add a count for Trump overruling the natsec establishment that would have prevented Ivanka and Jared from getting clearances, coupled with the fact that they then used private email accounts to do official govt business.

Include all the tax fraud and wire fraud and mail fraud re: Trump’s scam charity and scam school.

Note the bribe of Biondi to drop the investigation of Trump’s scam school in FL and Biondi being added to Trump’s team.

All of it. Make them go through every single act and instance of wrongdoing and argue that it all doesn’t matter.

If the GOP are going to burn the Constitution - make them own it. Make them forever own that they ended the US Democratic experiment because they would not remove the most corrupt and criminal occupant of the WH solely because he’s a GOPer. They put party above nation, and have shredded the Congressional power to oversee co-equal branches of government.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:21:18am
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Barefoot Grin  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:21:45am

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

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“Kilmeade seems a little disturbed as Trump rambles into claiming the border wall is electrified (I don’t think this is true).”

No, maybe not, but it does feature trip wires that activate CO2-powered blow guns that fire volleys of poison-tipped darts!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:22:39am

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:23:22am
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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:29:17am

re: #188 jaunte

All while directly admitting that he was doing what was accused - that he demanded a quid pro quo - announce investigation or else the aid wouldn’t be released.

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:29:45am
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jeffreyw  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:34:26am

Watchdog Gabe and Homer, his guardkitteh
Good morning!

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:34:36am

Another Russian stooge.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:36:03am

I saw on ABC this morning that Trump is trying to tell the Navy they have to keep Gallagher on as a SEAL: nytimes.com

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:36:35am

re: #191 jeffreyw

Lucy grabbing a little morning sun.

Good morning!

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sagehen  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:39:14am

re: #184 lawhawk

pretty simple, isn’t it?

They don’t care about democracy. They don’t care about the Constitution. They don’t care about America’s place in the world.

They want their fascist theocracy, and they’re willing to bulldoze anyone or anything that gets in the way of that.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:42:20am

re: #190 Barefoot Grin

Fucking Shep Smith made millions doing their bidding for YEARS.

Sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. (ok, broadcast what happened, but really, GAH!)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:42:38am

re: #191 jeffreyw

That cat’s tail is THE BEST!

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:46:05am
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jeffreyw  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:50:00am

re: #194 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Good morning!

Gabe rarely gets in over his toenails.
Buddy (RIP) enjoyed his laps in the pond.

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jeffreyw  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:54:00am

re: #197 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That cat’s tail is THE BEST!

Moar Homer

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:55:57am

re: #197 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

That cat’s tail is THE BEST!

Angel: Sir, you forgot to put a tail on this cat.
God (rummaging trhough a box): Here’s one, use this.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 6:59:27am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:05:16am

re: #40 jaunte

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Abuse of first amendment

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:13:25am

re: #202 jaunte

Since Trump’s appearance of Fox & Friends peddling the crowd strike conspiracy, I wanted to re-upload what Fiona Hill said yesterday about such nonsense stories: they are a “fictional narrative.”

he standards for discourse are set somewhat higher at these hearings than for the broadcast or social media, and that puts the GOP at a distinct disadvantage

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Jay C  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:13:40am

re: #198 lawhawk

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So at least the WaPo has figured out - and not reading the article, I can’t say whether they’ve articulated it very clearly - that one of the “bombshells” in AG Barr’s little “Russia Probe” (the “Horowitz Report”) is likely to be a flat dud. It’s the other “bomb” (the “Durham Report”) that Barr and Lindsey Graham, its intended recipient, are going to have to rely on for their deflectionary BS. And unfortunately, from the account/recap I read yesterday, there is likely to be just enough “wrongdoing” uncovered from Durham’s probe to be able to make a stink over. Petty and irrelevant, from what I heard, but that’s never stoppped Senate GOPers before….

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:16:17am

re: #112 Belafon

It looks like Trump is intent on repeating every action Nixon did, including an attempt at directly manipulating money markets.

Nixon was a piker compared to this lot

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:16:52am
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jeffreyw  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:17:24am

re: #205 Jay C

Petty and irrelevant, from what I heard, but that’s never stoppped Senate GOPers before….

…see also “acid washed emails”.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:18:17am

re: #120 mmmirele

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This is the tweet that got James White a TON of notoriety in June. To me, the racism just jumps out at me. Anyone disagree?

If they’re unborn they’re not chi!dren

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:18:38am

Gah, people suck.

A new national survey finds independent voters leading a sharp swing in opposition to impeachment, the second major poll to produce those findings this week.

The latest national poll from Emerson College finds 45 percent oppose impeaching President Trump, against 43 percent who support it. That’s a 6-point swing in support from October, when 48 percent of voters supported impeachment and only 44 percent opposed.

More importantly, the poll shows more independents now oppose impeachment than support it, a significant change from Emerson’s polling in October. The new poll found 49 percent oppose impeachment compared to 34 percent who support it. In October, 48 percent of independents polled supported impeachment, against 39 percent who opposed.

Since October, Emerson has found Trump’s job approval rating jump by 5 points, from 43 percent to 48 percent.

This is the second poll this week to show voters are increasingly likely to oppose impeachment, despite wall-to-wall media coverage of the House hearings that have produced bombshell testimony about how Trump threatened to withhold financial aid to Ukraine if the country did not open an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden, a top contender for the Democratic presidential nomination.

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:23:17am

Fucking hell. Listen to this son of a bitch.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:26:47am

re: #158 Targetpractice

Basically, they’re whining that Nancy is wrong for adopting Donny’s “negotiating” method of constantly changing his demands as soon as the other party agrees in part or whole to his previous ones.

..that Nancy is better at it than they are

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:30:55am

re: #177 Dave In Austin

Do the right thing and testify
Stop trying to sell us your damn book

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:31:18am

Trump goes full on “will no one rid me of this troublesome priest.”

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:32:29am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Our new friend Gary is a proud American who hates Muslims and liberals according to his Twitter profile.

The sock is strong with this one.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:35:11am

re: #214 jaunte

Because Trump would never ever say something controversial.

///

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:36:06am

re: #138 mmmirele

Clicked on the link and saw an endless stream of Republican ads which is what I expect to see from Pulpit Pimp websites.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:36:40am

president* mob boss inviting stochastic reprisals against his political enemies.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:37:22am

Maybe if Schiff ended up floating in a river people would support Impeachment a little more.

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Scottish Dragon  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:38:03am

re: #159 Dr Lizardo

Conservatism is also inherently hierarchial. Whether they call it the divine right of kings, or “the natural order of things” the bedrock of conservatism is that a rigid social hierarchy is not only desirable, but absolutely necessary in order to maintain a functioning society.

This is why conservatives freak out as society becomes increasingly egalitarian. They view egalitarianism as the worst possible thing that could befall a society, because from their POV, “the natural order of things” is being thrown out the window in favor a new social structure….one that means there’s an exceedingly good chance they won’t end up at the apex of the pyramid.

And that realization scares them to death.

ding ding ding!

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mmmirele  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:39:08am

re: #209 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

If they’re unborn they’re not chi!dren

You can’t tell them that.

But I do make a point of telling them that they don’t give a shit (=care, so as not to offend tender ears) about the already living. That they don’t care that children are going to bed hungry. I tell them all they’re interested in is their fetus fetish.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:39:44am
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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:39:52am

If you wonder why you have to speak up on Facebook, here it is:

There Are Two Separate Impeachment Hearings Happening Right Now — And Republicans Are Winning Theirs

Nothing Republican Rep. Devin Nunes does during the hearings makes sense if you watch it in the moment. When it’s posted on Facebook later, though, it works perfectly.

Democrats have hoped that the impeachment hearings might bridge the vast divide between the how the ideological factions in the country view President Donald Trump’s wrongdoing. On Wednesday, as Gordon Sondland, the US ambassador to the European Union, read his opening statement, liberal Twitter users buzzed optimistically that it might finally be the moment.

“I know that members of this committee have frequently framed these complicated issues in the form of a simple question: Was there a quid pro quo?” Sondland said. “As I testified previously, with regard to the requested White House call and White House meeting, the answer is yes.”

“Holy cow Gordon Sondland going full John Dean in opening statement,” MSNBC host Ari Melber tweeted.

But there are two impeachment hearings unfolding in the nation’s capital. One, carried out by the Democrats, is designed to ascertain the truth as to whether Trump sought a “quid pro quo” deal with Ukraine to get the country to investigate Joe Biden and the 2016 presidential election in exchange for aid money. The other, being carried out simultaneously by the Republicans, is quite different. Instead of trying to learn the truth, it seeks to create not just a counternarrative but a completely separate reality.

Each round of GOP questioning is not meant to interrogate the witnesses, which today included Sondland, but instead to create moments that can be flipped into Fox News segments, shared as bite-size Facebook posts, or dropped into 4chan threads. Their alternate universe — built from baseless online conspiracy theories and reading the tea leaves of Trump’s Twitter feed — dominates Fox News and Facebook. And the Republicans’ strategy, as confusing and bizarre as it may seem to those on the outside, is working.

As for articles mentioning the witnesses by name, Vindman and Yovanovitch have been targeted the most heavily. The second-most-shared story about Vindman was a Breitbart piece titled “Alexander Vindman Admits Making Up Parts Of Trump Call Summary” (97,300 engagements). The top story about Yovanovitch was by the New York Post, titled “Marie Yovanovitch Admits Obama Admin Prepped Her On Hunter Biden” (141,100 engagements), which was shared 15,000 times from the Texas for Donald Trump 2020 Facebook page and 10,000 times from the Silent Majority page.

For every piece on Facebook about impeachment from a mainstream publication, there are dozens of unhinged right-wing conspiracies going viral on the social network. A post with a transcript from Rush Limbaugh’s radio show titled “George Kent Made The Case For Investigating The Bidens” (15,000 engagements) was ranked third among this week’s stories with the most engagement about George Kent, the deputy assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian affairs, who testified publicly last week. “Impeachment Witness Bill Taylor Admits: I Can ‘Tell You What I Heard From People’” (37,600 engagements) by right-wing news site Western Journal was the third-most-shared story about Taylor.

I didn’t copy the embedded links. But, if you want to know why people aren’t deciding it’s time to end the presidency, realize that just putting out the truth on TV isn’t winning the propaganda war.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:40:45am

re: #163 Patricia Kayden

So now that we know that Republicans in the Senate are going to acquit Trump, what’s next? Once Trump is acquitted, he will feel empowered. I have no doubt that he will do something else which is unconstitutional soon after his acquittal. Can Democrats impeach him more than once?

They sure can.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:40:56am

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

Do you have a link?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:41:06am

re: #223 Belafon

Which is why I comment on the wacko posts that show up in my Facebook timeline.

We can’t ignore these people.

We have to interact with them.

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Jebediah, RBG  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:41:49am

re: #23 The Pie Overlord!

It’s running around in a cemetery and eating candle wax. I dunno, but that’s kinda weird.

Well, back in MY day that was just some good clean fun!
Besides, someone’s gotta do it

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:43:33am
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Jay C  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:43:51am

re: #221 mmmirele

You can’t tell them that.

But I do make a point of telling them that they don’t give a shit (=care, so as not to offend tender ears) about the already living. That they don’t care that children are going to bed hungry. I tell them all they’re interested in is their fetus fetish.

Quite true: but that racist quote from James White was really nothing but racist garbage. Bitching at “black women” as a whole for having too many abortions? I’m guessing that if figures showed they had fewer abortions, he’d be bitching at them for popping out too many kids to soak up welfare giveaways, or whatever…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:44:05am

re: #225 Belafon

Do you have a link?

thehill.com

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Stanley Sea  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:45:09am

re: #181 makeitstop

I HATE that they use a 10 year old photo of the yam.

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:45:41am

re: #184 lawhawk

And with the GOP looking to game the Senate trial so that it ends with Trump not being removed from office, Democrats should instead look to pile on the articles of impeachment - everything from emoluments to every single instance of obstruction of justice, witness tampering, and every official act Trump took that violated federal law or undermined US natsec.

I really agree with you here!! (With most everything you ever say, but this especially!)

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makeitstop  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:45:51am

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

thehill.com

The Hill. Well, there’s your problem…

I’ll wait for some real polling outfits to weigh in.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:47:10am

re: #226 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Which is why I comment on the wacko posts that show up in my Facebook timeline.

We can’t ignore these people.

We have to interact with them.

I gave up when it comes to my brainwashed family insisting Schiff should be impeached and convicted of treason…oh and they love that Glen Beck Protocols Of Zion video…they repeatedly call for Soros to be arrested and executed for treason…

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Jay C  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:48:48am

re: #231 Stanley Sea

I HATE that they use a 10 year old photo of the yam.

Really: why not just use a Ben Garrison “portrait”? Muscles and all….. ////

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danarchy  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:50:29am

re: #233 makeitstop

The Hill. Well, there’s your problem…

I’ll wait for some real polling outfits to weigh in.

The poll is from emerson college not the HIll.

emersonpolling.reportablenews.com

Marquette also had some disturbing polling yesterday.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:50:32am

We did NOT get the official portrait of His Ass Holeyness until mid 2018!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:51:33am

re: #234 Joe Bacon 🌹

Have you ever read the book A Manual for Creating Atheists I recommended earlier?

The important thing to remember is that you are dealing with people whose cult-mentality is not readily broken, certain not by giving them facts for citations.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:54:48am
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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:55:05am

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

I looked it up. That story was published yesterday, which means the polling was done earlier. We’ll have to see on the updates. But I don’t expect impeachment to save us. It’s all about next November.

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:57:26am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Nov 22, 2019 • 7:58:59am
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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:05:19am

JFC

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:05:31am

This is an *EXCELLENT* thread on impeachment that’s from late August. He has been spot on in his predictions so far. I hope he’s right about what’s to come:

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jaunte  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:13:34am

re: #243 The Pie Overlord!

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mmmirele  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:14:57am

re: #229 Jay C

Quite true: but that racist quote from James White was really nothing but racist garbage. Bitching at “black women” as a whole for having too many abortions? I’m guessing that if figures showed they had fewer abortions, he’d be bitching at them for popping out too many kids to soak up welfare giveaways, or whatever…

Well, what irritated me (beyond the abortion issue) was his deliberate ignorance of history. He ignores Jim Crow. He ignores mass incarceration of people of color. He ignores “broken windows” policing. He ignores the drug war. He ignores ALL OF THAT. Add that to his statement that black churches don’t have the right theology and you’ve got a strong case that James White is a stone racist.

Thing is, so many people on the Evangelical side think that James and his buddy Jeff are just a little outrageous for wanting to execute women who have abortions, but they’d have no problem with the stand overall. However, they’re much more sensitive to accusations of racism, which is why I’m going to spend the time to prove to James’ daughter Summer that her dad is a stone racist. (I know she won’t believe it, but hey, I’m going to do it just my own personal benefit.)

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:26:12am

re: #243 The Pie Overlord!

JFC

Just throwing stuff out.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:34:18am

Welp, this is another High Crime.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:36:13am

re: #244 Flying Squirrel Girl

I agree with that thread. They’re starting off with the Ukraine issue now….but the real meat and potatoes of the impeachment case against Trump is going to be the widespread money-laundering that Trump’s been up to for many, many years - decades, most likely and it’s going to be a pretty ironclad case at that. Then kick it over the Senate for trial around March or April next year, which puts serious pressure on the GOP as the election is right around the corner.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:36:31am

re: #248 The Pie Overlord!

“By the way, if I didn’t fire Comey, I would be in some trouble right now,” Trump says. “…It turns out to be the best move I ever made, firing Comey, because they were trying to take me down.”

“If I had not not interfered with an investigation, the person I fired would have been able to do his job!”

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Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:44:31am

Hmmm…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:46:18am

re: #251 Dave In Austin

Michael J. Pollard (1939-2019). Legend among character actors. Impossible to forget if you ever saw him on screen even once, and we won’t forget him.

yes, but I cannot recall the name of any single character he played.

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Dr Lizardo  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:48:06am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, but I cannot recall the name of any single character he played.

C.W. Moss in Bonnie and Clyde. He was nominated for an Oscar for that role.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:48:50am

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

C.W. Moss in Bonnie and Clyde. He was nominated for an Oscar for that role.

that rings a bell now that you mention it

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:51:46am

re: #245 jaunte

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:53:57am

re: #249 Dr Lizardo

I agree with that thread. They’re starting off with the Ukraine issue now….but the real meat and potatoes of the impeachment case against Trump is going to be the widespread money-laundering that Trump’s been up to for many, many years - decades, most likely and it’s going to be a pretty ironclad case at that. Then kick it over the Senate for trial around March or April next year, which puts serious pressure on the GOP as the election is right around the corner.

Also, if after super Tuesday, will allow presidential candidates to campaign in the meantime without needing to be in DC all the time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:54:33am

re: #255 Flying Squirrel Girl

I was in charge of the US embassy in London for much of Trump’s first year. We didn’t hang his picture either. Why? It took the WH almost 15 months to get official photos sent to embassies to hang. And we were instructed not to print other photos.

Deep state lies, obviously…

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:55:13am

re: #256 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

It also would put pressure on any of the Democrats’ from the Senate who are campaigning too - but if the field gets culled, that shouldn’t be an issue.

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TedStriker  Nov 22, 2019 • 8:57:37am

re: #251 Dave In Austin

Hmmm…

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re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, but I cannot recall the name of any single character he played.

re: #253 Dr Lizardo

C.W. Moss in Bonnie and Clyde. He was nominated for an Oscar for that role.

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that rings a bell now that you mention it

He was also Herman in Scrooged and Owen (Cash’s gadget guy) in Tango & Cash.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:00:36am

re: #259 TedStriker

He was also Herman in Scrooged and Owen (Cash’s gadget guy) in Tango & Cash.

like you said, I recall his face from at least a half-dozen roles, just cannot name any of them…

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Dave In Austin  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:00:59am

3rd Coast……

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:01:41am

re: #259 TedStriker

He was also Herman in Scrooged and Owen (Cash’s gadget guy) in Tango & Cash.

Jahn in the Star Trek episode Miri.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:11:29am

re: #249 Dr Lizardo

I agree with that thread. They’re starting off with the Ukraine issue now….but the real meat and potatoes of the impeachment case against Trump is going to be the widespread money-laundering that Trump’s been up to for many, many years - decades, most likely and it’s going to be a pretty ironclad case at that. Then kick it over the Senate for trial around March or April next year, which puts serious pressure on the GOP as the election is right around the corner.

plus mueller - the whole point of which was to set things up for Congress to act upon — whenever they were ready. The facts didn’t rot, and the truth is still the truth.

and then everything else

- Impeachment process is legislative oversight requiring co-operation
- Campaign finance charges along with impeachment proceedings make the case for tax returns
- Contradictory testimony requires further investigation (stone etc)
- After awhile Trump may get the idea he is in serious trouble

they have a lot to work with
1. Bribery/extortion
2. Abuse of power
3. Coverup
4. Witness intimidation
5. Perjury (from Mueller investigation et al)
6. Emoluments
7. Campaign Finance
8. Contempt of Congress
9 Aiding a hostile foreign power
10 obstruction

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A Cranky One  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:15:00am

re: #200 jeffreyw

Moar Homer

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That can’t be Homer’s original tail. Must have picked that one up at a local retailer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:16:01am

Let me say this again: Impeachment hearings are not like an Internet echo chamber or a both-sider news network, the tone and level of discourse (despite all GOP attempts otherwise) is a lot more serious than what we are used to, and really highlight the seriousness of what DT has been doing to our laws.

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Rightwingconspirator  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:17:05am

re: #263 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

Latest on your Item 6.
politico.com

The Secret Service spent more than a quarter of a million dollars at President Donald Trump’s properties over the course of five months in 2017, newly released documents show.

The documents outline Secret Service credit card expenditures for Trump properties and businesses between Jan. 27 and June 9, 2017, and were obtained via a Freedom of Information Act request via the nonprofit watchdog group Property of the People.

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Dread Pirate  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:18:13am
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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:24:18am

re: #267 Dread Pirate

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He really can’t stand anyone who doesn’t worship his ass.

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plansbandc  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:27:35am

The dude my friend had been working to free from ICE custody has been granted asylum!!!

I’m so happy for him.

My friend is a force of nature. She will NOT be messed with.

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William Lewis  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:28:29am

Socialism 101: Just don’t call it socialism… From the Washington Post:

BALDWIN, Fla. — When Sean Lynch ran for mayor, he never anticipated that the job would involve hiring a butcher and tracking the sale of collard greens.

But in 2018, two years into his first term, the only grocery store in town shut down. People in Baldwin, Fla., a rural outpost in northeast Florida, were left with few options. They could leave town, driving 10 miles through road construction to nearby Macclenny, or battle 20 miles of freeway traffic through Jacksonville’s suburban sprawl. Alternatively, they could cobble together a meal out of canned goods from the local Dollar General, or head to a nearby truck stop for greasy, deep-fried fast food.

For many of Baldwin’s roughly 1,600 residents, though, traveling for food wasn’t really a choice. The town’s median household income of $44,271 is well below the state average, and it’s not uncommon for families to juggle their schedules around sharing one car. Senior citizens also make up a significant percentage of the population, and many no longer drive.

When a deep red town’s only grocery closed, city hall opened its own store. Just don’t call it ‘socialism.’

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:30:00am

re: #267 Dread Pirate

And Lindsay Graham is doing just that. Welcome to the banana republic of America.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:31:46am

re: #270 William Lewis

Socialism 101: Just don’t call it socialism… From the Washington Post:

When a deep red town’s only grocery closed, city hall opened its own store. Just don’t call it ‘socialism.’

It is called securing the Public Good

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:39:27am

so this am on fox and friends Trump Kept Pushing the nonsense Ukraine Conspiracy theory

my guess:
the R’s keep hacking at this to build it up to: even if it is nonsense, the president honestly, firmly, and sincerely believed it and that’s why…..

whether he’d let himself look like an idiot to the rest of the world…
and yes i know it doesnt matter what he believed etc
and it still wasnt official US policy through official US channels

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:44:39am

re: #273 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

so this am on fox and friends Trump Kept Pushing the nonsense Ukraine Conspiracy theory

my guess:
the R’s keep hacking at this to build it up to: even if it is nonsense, the president honestly, firmly, and sincerely believed it and that’s why…..

whether he’d let himself look like an idiot to the rest of the world…
and yes i know it doesnt matter what he believed etc
and it still wasnt official US policy through official US channels

Is there any official US policy? Are there any official channels?

I don’t think so.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:44:51am

re: #272 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is called securing the Public Good

Promoting the general welfare, as it says in the constitution.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:45:10am

re: #267 Dread Pirate

Gee, Don, you would also poll zero in the Democratic primary, especially since Gabbard has pre-empted all your potential support there.

Btw, gang, I have made it safely to Lubbock. It’s cold and rainy here. I managed to retrieve my Lubbock van from long term storage and got across town without being broadsided, although I was cut off a number of times by giant compensator pickups. The trick is to not stand still for any longer than necessary, since Lubbock is reported to lead the nation in stationary object collisions. (I keep my most beat up and least valuable vehicle, 04 Dodge minivan, in Lubbock so I won’t have to rent a car or, Cthulhu forbid, rely on yokel cabs and Uber service for transport.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:46:23am

re: #276 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I swear if Tulsi somehow gets the Dem nomination, I’m moving back to Canada.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:48:26am

re: #209 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

The cells may be human, but they’re not “beings”.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:48:27am

re: #277 Eclectic Cyborg

I swear if Tulsi somehow gets the Dem nomination, I’m moving back to Canada.

Dear EC,

Anything you could do to keep the ever right tilting conservatives out of power up here would be most appreciated.

Signed,

The Entire World

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:49:05am

re: #274 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Is there any official US policy? Are there any official channels?

I don’t think so.

just implying they had to do this on the QT with rudy, the sec of energy and the amb. to the EU and not with the actual amb to the ukraine

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:49:21am

re: #276 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Gee, Don, you would also poll zero in the Democratic primary, especially since Gabbard has pre-empted all your potential support there.

Btw, gang, I have made it safely to Lubbock. It’s cold and rainy here. I managed to retrieve my Lubbock van from long term storage and got across town without being broadsided, although I was cut off a number of times by giant compensator pickups. The trick is to not stand still for any longer than necessary, since Lubbock is reported to lead the nation in stationary object collisions. (I keep my most beat up and least valuable vehicle, 04 Dodge minivan, in Lubbock so I won’t have to rent a car or, Cthulhu forbid, rely on yokel cabs and Uber service for transport.)

The local utility monopoly’s phone service is STILL down. Has this happened anywhere else in recorded history, that a municipal utility’s telephone service has failed internally and stayed out for (as of now) 36 hours?

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danarchy  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:49:47am

I was just booking a hotel room and the advertised price was $100 a night, great! Go through the booking process enter all my info and right at the end there is a Mandatory $20/day fee apparently to cover amenities like, wifi, pool, gym etc.

This means the room is $120 a night! I have no problem with this, if the original advertised price was $120 I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. Why do you need to lie to me and then spring the extra fee at the end? If the hotel wasn’t so conveniently located to the event I was attending I would seriously have canceled the transaction and picked another hotel.

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:52:16am
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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:52:19am

re: #278 Amory Blaine

The cells may be human, but they’re not “beings”.

nor a discrete constitutionally protected human life

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:54:18am

re: #283 The Pie Overlord!

Here’s a shocking concept Mr. Lowry: You can be against Trump while ALSO being against most of the Democratic candidates.

Crazy, I know.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:56:31am

PSA: get your rental car insurance at the rental car desk. I got mine through Expedia and it’s been a problem.
2 months ago I rented a car for my niece’s wedding, came out to the hotel parking lot and someone did ~500 in damage. I got billed 1006.00 including fees. I had to do all the legwork and scan and send a bunch of docs and signatures. I had to do a conference call between AIG (the Expedia insurance) and Viking billing (rep. Hertz). Viking billing called today. AIG paid the damages and the loss of use charge leaving me with a 230 bill. He dropped it 75 bux if I paid today, so I did. What a pain in the ass.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:57:00am

re: #282 danarchy

I was just booking a hotel room and the advertised price was $100 a night, great! Go through the booking process enter all my info and right at the end there is a Mandatory $20/day fee apparently to cover amenities like, wifi, pool, gym etc.

This means the room is $120 a night! I have no problem with this, if the original advertised price was $120 I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. Why do you need to lie to me and then spring the extra fee at the end? If the hotel wasn’t so conveniently located to the event I was attending I would seriously have canceled the transaction and picked another hotel.

click bait and switch

i used to work in a scuba store in the mid 90’s
they’d sell pencils for $1
ordinary like miniature golf score keeping pencils
for writing on pvc dive slates underwater

i asked why nickle and dime? you just got someone to drop $1-3k on a complete set of dive gear, what’s the profit margin on a pencil, or a whole year’s worth of pencil sales?

package it into a complete dive system or give it away, with a bunch of other stuff. people arent stupid. and they wont come back.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:58:20am

re: #282 danarchy

I was just booking a hotel room and the advertised price was $100 a night, great! Go through the booking process enter all my info and right at the end there is a Mandatory $20/day fee apparently to cover amenities like, wifi, pool, gym etc.

This means the room is $120 a night! I have no problem with this, if the original advertised price was $120 I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. Why do you need to lie to me and then spring the extra fee at the end? If the hotel wasn’t so conveniently located to the event I was attending I would seriously have canceled the transaction and picked another hotel.

and you’re right - unless i get to opt out of using those services and then not having to pay, $100 a night is a lie

hotels, airlines etc also do it with all the taxes - leaving them out
gas stations dont

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 9:59:10am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

As with all too many “Never” Trumpers, it turns out that they’re perfectly fine with Trump’s outcomes - but quibble on the methods. And when you offer up literally anyone else who’d operate under the constitutional constraints you take when you say the oath, these fuckers still pick Trump who they all admit broke his oath and violates the law regularly.

The GOP must be burnt to the ground - root and stem. They no longer stand for the rule of law and upholding the oath of office, but they put party above nation and no longer hide it.

GOP delenda est.

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Amory Blaine  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:02:15am

re: #283 The Pie Overlord!

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Good to know. That gives license to not give a fuck if Bernie Rams through his shit with no deference to the Constitution.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:03:04am

re: #283 The Pie Overlord!

- he lets mitch put up whatever judges he wants
- and he may be a pig but he’s our pig
(like i said way before the ‘grab em’ comment - you support a pig, you’re a pig

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:03:58am

re: #290 Amory Blaine

Good to know. That gives license to not give a fuck if Bernie Rams through his shit with no deference to the Constitution.

No - for that, the GOP and right wing howler monkeys will demand impeachment.

After all - this is the only law that matters to the GOP:

IOKIYAR.

If a Democrat does literally any of the hundreds of acts of wrongdoing Trump has already admitted to or been convicted of or openly engaged in, the GOP would move so fast to impeach and remove, your head would spin.

Heck, if Trump were a (D), these GOPers would already have voted for removal.

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sagehen  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:08:43am

re: #282 danarchy

I was just booking a hotel room and the advertised price was $100 a night, great! Go through the booking process enter all my info and right at the end there is a Mandatory $20/day fee apparently to cover amenities like, wifi, pool, gym etc.

This means the room is $120 a night! I have no problem with this, if the original advertised price was $120 I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. Why do you need to lie to me and then spring the extra fee at the end? If the hotel wasn’t so conveniently located to the event I was attending I would seriously have canceled the transaction and picked another hotel.

It’s like the airlines.

The price for a seat seems totally reasonable. Then they add on the checked baggage fee. And the carryon baggage fee. And the ticketing fee. And the soda & peanuts fee. And a landing fee.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:09:14am

re: #292 lawhawk

No - for that, the GOP and right wing howler monkeys will demand impeachment.

After all - this is the only law that matters to the GOP:

IOKIYAR.

If a Democrat does literally any of the hundreds of acts of wrongdoing Trump has already admitted to or been convicted of or openly engaged in, the GOP would move so fast to impeach and remove, your head would spin.

Heck, if Trump were a (D), these GOPers would already have voted for removal.

Reminder that Chaffetz and Gowdy said they were ready to impeach Hillary on Day One over Benghazi and her e-mails! And Lindsay would urge impeachment of Biden onDay one over his son!

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:09:15am

LOLWUT

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:09:18am

re: #288 DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)

and you’re right - unless i get to opt out of using those services and then not having to pay, $100 a night is a lie

hotels, airlines etc also do it with all the taxes - leaving them out
gas stations dont

Wireless providers are notorious for this too. The most common ploy nowadays is to advertise a 4 line unlimited plan for, say $150. Then you find out that price only applies AFTER the discount for autopay and paperless billing. So if you don’t want either of those services, you’ll be paying $20 - $30 more for that “deal”.

Also, that $300 credit they promised you when you activated the new phone? It’s $10 a month for 30 months and the credits dont’ even start for 90 days…

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The Pie Overlord!  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:15:29am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:16:02am

re: #275 Belafon

Promoting the general welfare, as it says in the constitution.

thank you, that is the term I was after

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:20:45am
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CleverToad  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:22:52am

re: #293 sagehen

It’s like the airlines.

The price for a seat seems totally reasonable. Then they add on the checked baggage fee. And the carryon baggage fee. And the ticketing fee. And the soda & peanuts fee. And a landing fee.

Bedad, we found an airline selling flights for 50P…

FASCINATING AIDA - Cheap Flights

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:27:01am

re: #300 CleverToad

“Bedad, we found an airline selling flights for 50P…”

I remember those days, we have a reconverted USAF base served by discount airlines, used to spend more money on gas and parking than on the tickets to Scotland.

Was a great way to travel with small children until they stopped boarding families with kids first and made you pay for the privilege of choosing a seat.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:28:38am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:32:01am

re: #302 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

“Russians hacked Annette Taddeo’s campaign playbook while she was running for Congress in 2016. Then her opponent showed up to a debate with the stolen documents and used them against her.”

one thing if russians meddle, another if americans accept their assistance in meddling

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mmmirele  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:33:12am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I remember those days, we have a reconverted USAF base served by discount airlines, used to spend more money on gas and parking than on the tickets to Scotland.

Was a great way to travel with small children until they stopped boarding families with kids first and made you pay for the privilege of choosing a seat.

And this is a problem—too many kids are getting separated from their parents on trips. This should not happen., but airplanes are doing it and forcing parents to pay more to sit next to their children.

Here’s an opinion piece from earlier this week in USA Today.

Airlines tell parents to pay up or risk sitting rows away from their kids. That’s wrong.
Airlines know how old every passenger is on their planes, including children. So why are families separated and why hasn’t the government stepped in?

usatoday.com

Now if we can just get that five year old to stop kicking the back of my seat, I’m good.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:33:56am

re: #303 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

one thing if russians meddle, another if americans accept their assistance in meddling

Based on what Lowry wrote it’s now clear that every Republican will gladly accept Russian assistance!

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:34:36am

re: #302 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

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Republicans decided in 2016 that Putin was preferable to any Democrat.

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HappyWarrior  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:35:11am

re: #305 Joe Bacon 🌹

Based on what Lowry wrote it’s now clear that every Republican will gladly accept Russian assistance!

Because they both have a shared hatred for democracy.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:35:44am

re: #305 Joe Bacon 🌹

Based on what Lowry wrote it’s now clear that every Republican will gladly accept Russian assistance!

as long as it benefits their ‘team’

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:39:57am

re: #305 Joe Bacon 🌹

Based on what Lowry wrote it’s now clear that every Republican will gladly accept Russian assistance!

they are actively soliciting it

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Barefoot Grin  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:40:56am
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Alephnaught  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:41:18am

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

WE LIKE TO PARTY!!!

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You had to say those words…

Vengaboys - We like to Party! (The Vengabus)

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sagehen  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:43:56am

re: #310 Barefoot Grin

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My favorite correction remains:

“Netanyahu said Moses brought forth water from a rock, not from Iraq. We regret the error.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:45:50am

Lots of Amazon stuff on sale now.

What’s a smart plug?

Black Friday 2019 Amazon device deals have started: All Fire tablets and Kindle readers are now on sale

The best prices since Prime Day have started for many Amazon devices.

Read in CNET: apple.news

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:47:08am

re: #313 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Lots of Amazon stuff on sale now.

What’s a smart plug?

A smart plug is one you can control from an Amazon Echo or Google Home.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:48:14am

re: #314 Belafon

A smart plug is one you can control from an Amazon Echo or Google Home.

Like Clap On Clap Off?

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Amory Blaine  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:48:17am

I have one for the bedroom fan that I find useful.

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Belafon  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:50:33am

re: #315 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Like Clap On Clap Off?

Yes, but if you had different clapping patterns for different plugs.

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jeffreyw  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:54:37am

re: #313 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Lots of Amazon stuff on sale now.

What’s a smart plug?

I have several, not Amazon branded, that work from a smartphone app. Handy for lamps, go to bed and turn off the lights in the living room. There is one on a plant light that we put on a schedule.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:55:40am

re: #318 jeffreyw

I have several, not Amazon branded, that work from a smartphone app. Handy for lamps, go to bed and turn off the lights in the living room.

Until an angry ex hacks you and turns on all your lights full blast in the middle of the night.

/

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Jay C  Nov 22, 2019 • 10:56:49am

re: #292 lawhawk

Heck, if Trump were a (D), these GOPers would already have voted for removal.

And another big difference: if Trump were a (D), most Democrats would also vote to boot his ass…

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lawhawk  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:00:16am

Read the whole fucking thing.

Bibi’s intending on staying in office, though he admits if the courts rule for his conviction, he’ll go along with it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:02:54am

re: #321 lawhawk

Read the whole fucking thing.

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Bibi’s intending on staying in office, though he admits if the courts rule for his conviction, he’ll go along with it.

This is a preview of what Trump will do when he loses in 2020.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:07:41am

re: #322 Joe Bacon 🌹

This is a preview of what Trump will do when he loses in 2020.

I appreciate your optimism. I wish I felt the same.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:12:39am

re: #323 Eclectic Cyborg

I appreciate your optimism. I wish I felt the same.

I fully expect Trump to nullify the 2020 election on the grounds of Ukraine hacking the count. And I would not be surprised if the JCS overthrew him and Pence installing Nancy in as caretaker.

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lizardofid  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:13:22am

I’m a little fuzzy on the exact time, but it was around now, 56 years ago, I walked into class late from recess. There was, what I know know to have been, a pall over the room. Lot’s of confused faces and some crying. The teacher had to inform this little wise cracker that the president had been shot, right over in Dallas. It was the strangest feeling. So apart from the mood of the rest of the room. Like standing in a pool of warm water, and not feeling wet.

Oh, hello everyone.

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EPR-radar  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:17:03am

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

Swing voters and ‘independents’ are basically shallow idiots who vote one way or the other totally irrationally.

Nevertheless, they are usually the decisive part of the electorate.

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calochortus  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:17:15am

re: #282 danarchy

I was just booking a hotel room and the advertised price was $100 a night, great! Go through the booking process enter all my info and right at the end there is a Mandatory $20/day fee apparently to cover amenities like, wifi, pool, gym etc.

This means the room is $120 a night! I have no problem with this, if the original advertised price was $120 I wouldn’t have thought twice about it. Why do you need to lie to me and then spring the extra fee at the end? If the hotel wasn’t so conveniently located to the event I was attending I would seriously have canceled the transaction and picked another hotel.

IIRC, some years ago an airline tried advertising their total prices with no add-ons later in the booking process. They advertised this fact. Bookings fell because people are stupid and went with the lowest price they saw at first.

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Jay C  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:22:24am

re: #325 lizardofid

I’m a little fuzzy on the exact time, but it was around now, 56 years ago, I walked into class late from recess. There was, what I know know to have been, a pall over the room. Lot’s of confused faces and some crying. The teacher had to inform this little wise cracker that the president had been shot, right over in Dallas. It was the strangest feeling. So apart from the mood of the rest of the room. Like standing in a pool of warm water, and not feeling wet.

Oh, hello everyone.

Hello!

Yeah, I know the feeling: one of those once-considered-unforgettable events (“Where were you when Kennedy was shot”?), now slowly receding into the mists of “modern history”: even if a bit slower than most, thanks to the then-unique, now-common media saturation.
I was at school, too: my mother had just picked me up (we had half-day sessions on Fridays), and I remember her being upset, and listening to the non-stop coverage on the car radio. And then, once we got home, like most most Americans who had televisions, we turned ours on, and seldom left them for four days.

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retired cynic  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:23:55am

re: #270 William Lewis

Socialism 101: Just don’t call it socialism… From the Washington Post:

When a deep red town’s only grocery closed, city hall opened its own store. Just don’t call it ‘socialism.’

Gee, that’s what we deal with here all the time. The nearest major grocery story is a half an hour (“battling road construction and/or freeway traffic) away. BFD.

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:26:03am

re: #327 calochortus

IIRC, some years ago an airline tried advertising their total prices with no add-ons later in the booking process. They advertised this fact. Bookings fell because people are stupid and went with the lowest price they saw at first.

paraphrased: nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public the masses

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DangerMan (misuser of the sarc tag)  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:27:18am

re: #329 retired cynic

Gee, that’s what we deal with here all the time. The nearest major grocery story is a half an hour (“battling road construction and/or freeway traffic) away. BFD.

that whole thing was a setup as to why it was ok to do this - they just had to

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jeffreyw  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:29:27am

re: #319 Eclectic Cyborg

Until an angry ex hacks you and turns on all your lights full blast in the middle of the night.

/

I made sure to allow only local access.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Nov 22, 2019 • 11:34:49am

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