Breaking: Kamala Harris Is Dropping Out of the Presidential Election

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:09:59am

From downstairs:

Damn damn damn.
She was my top pick.
She was told she needed to drop in time to take her name off the California ballot in order to avoid a disaster of possibly losing the state and precipitating a primary bid against her, possibly from Tom Steyer.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:10:13am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:11:43am

Should not be surprising to anyone

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:12:06am

That sucks. She would have been a great president.

Here’s hoping she becomes the next AG and gets turned loose on the Trump Crime Family.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:12:08am

She deserved much better. I’m sorry but if more people understood what a President actually does, I’m confident she would be a front runner. I’m now undecided between Warren and Biden. I have parts of both that I like and parts I dislike.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:12:10am

Waiting for Tulsi, Yang, Bloomberg & Steyer to drop out.

Not holding my breath tho.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:13:01am

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

Waiting for Tulsi, Yang, Bloomberg & Steyer to drop out.

Not holding my breath tho.

Those four had no business dropping in the first place.

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makeitstop  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:13:15am

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

Waiting for Tulsi, Yang, Bloomberg & Steyer to drop out.

Not holding my breath tho.

The fact that Harris is dropping out and Tulski is still in makes me want to break shit.

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Targetpractice  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:13:52am

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

Waiting for Tulsi, Yang, Bloomberg & Steyer to drop out.

Not holding my breath tho.

That’s because the corporate media is keeping the two around for the entertainment value and the latter two because their bosses desperately want Warren gone.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:13:55am

Kamala is yet another example of how people of color (and in particular women of color) are held to ridiculously high standards compared to others.

She didn’t run a perfect campaign but she did a lot right and in my opinion deserved better than this.

Unfortunately, racism and misogyny chalk up another one in the win column.

:(

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:14:49am

#Warren2020

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:16:36am

I see the Berniebots are celebrating over this…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:16:48am

re: #10 Eclectic Cyborg

Kamala is yet another example of how people of color (and in particular women of color) are held to ridiculously high standards compared to others.

She didn’t run a perfect campaign but she did a lot right and in my opinion deserved better than this.

Unfortunately, racism and misogyny chalk up another one in the win column.

:(

Looking back on 2008, it’s quite incredible that the race came down to an African American and a woman. And what’s more is both were fine candidates.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:17:50am

re: #12 Joe Bacon 🌹

I see the Berniebots are celebrating over this…

Of course. They targeted her early on. Kamala represents what our party is and stands for a lot more than that grumpy jerk.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:19:02am

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Should not be surprising to anyone

90% of the state is white. Not exactly off skew.

Disregard.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:19:06am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Of course. They targeted her early on. Kamala represents what our party is and stands for a lot more than that grumpy jerk.

Pisses me off that they endlessly stuck the shivs in her. She was my second choice after Warren.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:19:48am

re: #9 Targetpractice

That’s because the corporate media is keeping the two around for the entertainment value and the latter two because their bosses desperately want Warren gone.

Tulsi is in entirely because of GOP access to Democratic primaries.

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b.d. (Lock Him Up!)  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:22:30am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:22:41am

re: #17 Belafon

Tulsi is in entirely because of GOP access to Democratic primaries.

And Fox loves her.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:25:20am

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

Pisses me off that they endlessly stuck the shivs in her. She was my second choice after Warren.

As far as I’m concerned, Sanders has created a movement of people who don’t understand what the President is actually supposed to do. And I can’t tell you how much it bothers me that you’re made out to be a sellout if you’re young or relatively young like I am and you don’t think Bernie is the answer. I’d take Biden over him. At least Biden understands that the Presidency is more than just one man or woman.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:25:22am

Now the Tulsitwits are cheering too…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:25:23am

re: #15 Belafon

90% of the state is white. Not exactly off skew.

I don’t believe the 8/10 ratio is base on Ohio laws, but national. And, as the article states, people of color suffer from violent crimes at a much higher rate

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Citizen K  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:25:53am

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

Waiting for Tulsi, Yang, Bloomberg & Steyer to drop out.

Not holding my breath tho.

re: #8 makeitstop

The fact that Harris is dropping out and Tulski is still in makes me want to break shit.

Tulsi did her job and successfully torpedoed Harris early and she never recovered precisely because of that goddamn “Kamala’s A Cop!” bullshit on top of the blatant misogyny that seems to be kind of trademark for this entire electoral cycle.

I hate this. I fucking do. It seems like the only unifying lesson we’ve learned as a country from 2016 is ‘Only White Male Presidents Allowed’. Misogyny and battered pragmatism did the rest.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:27:07am

re: #22 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t believe the 8/10 ratio is base on Ohio laws, but national. And, as the article states, people of color suffer from violent crimes at a much higher rate

Which gets me at why the Kamala is a cop narrative bothered me. You need prosecutors in a modern society. Is it a job that I could do? No, I could not be a prosecutor but someone has to do that. It’s truly thankless work and Kamala got made out to be like she was this fucking monster over it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:27:29am

This is why Yang, Steyer & Bloomberg won’t be withdrawing anytime soon
And Tulsi is likely damn near swimming in laundered oligarch money (sort of //)

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retired cynic  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:28:42am

re: #25 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is why Yang, Steyer & Bloomberg won’t be withdrawing anytime soon
And Tulsi is likely damn near swimming in laundered oligarch money (sort of //)

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In her email to her supporters, she also said:

But I want to be clear with you: I am still very much in this fight.

And I will keep fighting every day for what this campaign has been about. Justice for The People. All the people.

Our campaign has been about fighting for people whose voices have not been heard or too often ignored.

We will keep up that fight.

Let’s remember: we were the first to put the injustice of inadequate teacher pay on the national agenda.

We will keep up that fight.

We were the first to demand justice for our children, declaring we would take bold executive actions to stop gun violence.

We will keep up that fight.

We were the first to demand justice for women with a plan to block unconstitutional state abortion laws.

We will keep up that fight.

And our campaign uniquely spoke to the experiences of Black women and people of color — and their importance to the success and future of this party. Our campaign demanded no one should be taken for granted by any political party.

We will keep up that fight because no one should be made to fight alone.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:29:27am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

Which gets me at why the Kamala is a cop narrative bothered me. You need prosecutors in a modern society. Is it a job that I could do? No, I could not be a prosecutor but someone has to do that. It’s truly thankless work and Kamala got made out to be like she was this fucking monster over it.

related

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dirkdigglerjr  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:30:05am

re: #2 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

At the outset, really thought she would be a strong contender for the nomination. Just shows how difficult it is to develop a coherent message, create a strong funding mechanism and try to stand out on a crowded debate stage. That she dropped out before the first caucus or primary is a real surprise, given the early momentum she had.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:30:20am

re: #22 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t believe the 8/10 ratio is base on Ohio laws, but national. And, as the article states, people of color suffer from violent crimes at a much higher rate

Somehow I completely misread even the tweet. That’ll teach me.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:32:07am

re: #23 Citizen K

Tulsi did her job and successfully torpedoed Harris early and she never recovered precisely because of that goddamn “Kamala’s A Cop!” bullshit on top of the blatant misogyny that seems to be kind of trademark for this entire electoral cycle.

I hate this. I fucking do. It seems like the only unifying lesson we’ve learned as a country from 2016 is ‘Only White Male Presidents Allowed’. Misogyny and battered pragmatism did the rest.

The “Kamala’s A Cop!” thing was utterly insane. When the hell did Dems oppose all law enforcement? Why does this get used against her but not other former prosecutors who are Dems in Congress and the Senate?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:32:13am

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

related

Yep I’ve seen Harris supporters and other Bernie critics point that out. Really the idea of hip Bernie versus the square Dem establishment bothers me so much. I really have no love for Biden’s old school attitudes on drugs but he’s not a blatant panderer like Bernie is.

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Citizen K  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:33:20am

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

related

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Yeah, but Matt, she was also a woman. And black. That’s apparently doubleplusungood if you want those vaunted moderates.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:34:55am

re: #30 Scottish Dragon

The “Kamala’s A Cop!” thing was utterly insane. When the hell did Dems oppose all law enforcement? Why does this get used against her but not other former prosecutors who are Dems in Congress and the Senate?

Never seen anyone disparage Schiff for being a former federal prosecutor who supports the impeachment inquiry. As I said, it’s work that I could not do but prosecutors and attorneys general are vital to a functioning democracy and republic.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:35:31am

I can’t stand Bernie, but he’ll get my vote if he’s the nominee. I think Biden will be the nominee though.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:37:56am

re: #25 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is why Yang, Steyer & Bloomberg won’t be withdrawing anytime soon
And Tulsi is likely damn near swimming in laundered oligarch money (sort of //)

Where are Yang and Steyer (and Tulsi) getting their $$$$? Do they have that many donors? Hard to understand.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:38:31am

The Bernbots are trolling anybody who speaks in favor of Kamela right now.

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danarchy  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:38:51am

re: #35 Sir John Barron

Where are Yang and Steyer (and Tulsi) getting their $$$$? Do they have that many donors? Hard to understand.

Steyr is a billionaire, not sure about the others.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:39:18am

re: #34 plansbandc

I can’t stand Bernie, but he’ll get my vote if he’s the nominee. I think Biden will be the nominee though.

I will have to force myself into the booth to pull a lever for Bernie. I loathe him that much.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:39:45am

re: #37 danarchy

Steyr is a billionaire, not sure about the others.

Yang is a rich techbro.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:41:26am

re: #34 plansbandc

I can’t stand Bernie, but he’ll get my vote if he’s the nominee. I think Biden will be the nominee though.

He’ll get my vote too but I really think he’s created something of a left wing tea party. I contend that the Democratic establishment needs to be challenged on issues particularly economics so my issue with him really isn’t that although I do feel he’s wrong about things like trade. However, it’s how he frames himself and his opponents. He frames himself as an uncompromising idealist but he’s shown himself to be just as cynical when it comes to issues that impact key members of the Dem base i.e. women/choice, immigrants, and PoC. It’s also his refusal to acknowledge that it’s going to take more than just him to get his wish list of legislation passed. Plus I really really do not like his surrogates.

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danarchy  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:41:31am

re: #39 Scottish Dragon

Yang is a rich techbro.

Forbes has his net worth listed at about 1 million. Hardly enough to self finance a campaign.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:42:48am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:43:36am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

It’s still a rich man’s game. I stress the word man here too.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:44:37am

re: #41 danarchy

Forbes has his net worth listed at about 1 million. Hardly enough to self finance a campaign.

Guessing he has friends and friends.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:45:07am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

He’ll get my vote too but I really think he’s created something of a left wing tea party. I contend that the Democratic establishment needs to be challenged on issues particularly economics so my issue with him really isn’t that although I do feel he’s wrong about things like trade. However, it’s how he frames himself and his opponents. He frames himself as an uncompromising idealist but he’s shown himself to be just as cynical when it comes to issues that impact key members of the Dem base i.e. women/choice, immigrants, and PoC. It’s also his refusal to acknowledge that it’s going to take more than just him to get his wish list of legislation passed. Plus I really really do not like his surrogates.

Bernie has created a cult just like Trump did.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:45:41am

re: #39 Scottish Dragon

Yang is a rich techbro.

Don’t they have to have donations from actual people to qualify for debates, though, or does the source of donations not matter?

Would love to see Tulsi’s list of donors.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:45:49am

re: #43 HappyWarrior

It’s still a rich man’s game. I stress the word man here too.

Earlier today I was thinking that the GOP Senators basically ignoring all kinds of illegal shit to NOT impeach Trump can be described in a nutshell as: “Rich white assholes come to defense of another rich white asshole.”

Yes, I know Trumps wealth or lack thereof is a matter of conjecture, but to keep things simple, I’m referring to him as a rich guy.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:46:11am

re: #45 Joe Bacon 🌹

Bernie has created a cult just like Trump did.

Exactly. It’s a utopian cult.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:46:47am

re: #46 Sir John Barron

Don’t they have to have donations from actual people to qualify for debates, though, or does the source of donations not matter?

Would love to see Tulsi’s list of donors.

You’ll find them in St Petersburg.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:47:01am

re: #45 Joe Bacon 🌹

Bernie has created a cult just like Trump did.

And Ron Paul before both of them. It’s the same crap. An old white guy who thinks he’s the answer and all the supposedly edgy young people embracing them. Give me a fucking break.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:47:03am
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danarchy  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:47:47am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

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We have had exactly 1 (puported) billionaire president in our history. Washington may have been close in inflation adjusted wealth. Now, we have had an awful lot of millionaire presidents.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:48:22am

Berniebots elected Trump and they are responsible for bringing down Kamala. If it is a contest between Bernie and Biden, I’m on Team Biden. But BernieBots are out there to elect Trump again.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:48:35am

re: #48 Scottish Dragon

Exactly. It’s a utopian cult.

It sucks because I know so many people with good hearts who are positively drawn to him. I get his base appeal. As I said, the Dem establishment needs to be challenged on economics. However, I think Bernie’s economic puritanism is just a left wing version of the right’s. And that’s NOT what we need.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:48:48am

re: #41 danarchy

Forbes has his net worth listed at about 1 million. Hardly enough to self finance a campaign.

Yeah, Yang is hardly all caps RICH. And, data show’s he’s getting generally small donations. Just lots of them. He also doesn’t seem to be doing significant television ad buys. Which is where a hell of a lot of campaign dough is burnt. He’s relying, for now, on a more digital media presence. At least that how it seems to me.

But, none of them really has shown a realistic path to election, and they don’t seem to care

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:48:55am

re: #46 Sir John Barron

Don’t they have to have donations from actual people to qualify for debates, though, or does the source of donations not matter?

Would love to see Tulsi’s list of donors.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:49:02am

re: #52 danarchy

It’s gotten much more expensive lately.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:50:01am

re: #45 Joe Bacon 🌹

Bernie has created a cult just like Trump did.

I tend to see it as more of the Ron Paul model.

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danarchy  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:50:15am

re: #46 Sir John Barron

Don’t they have to have donations from actual people to qualify for debates, though, or does the source of donations not matter?

Would love to see Tulsi’s list of donors.

Steyer spent a ton of money trying to get 1 dollar donations so he could qualify. Andrew Yang’s basic income has netted him a devoted following.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:52:16am

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I tend to see it as more of the Ron Paul model.

It’s a little of both IMO. All three attract young, impressionable minds who are prone to want to hear absolutist answers to questions that do not have an absolute answer. A great example of this is how Bernie responds to racial issues. He thinks it’s just an economic one but there are affluent African-Americans of all backgrounds who get mistreated by the police, there immigrant Americans of all backgrounds who feel threatened by nativism, etc

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:52:31am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:54:24am

So, we don’t get our tough cop to take on the Trump/Putin crime syndicate.

“Onward, into the darkness, and through the darkness,” as Churchill said upon the fall of Singapore.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:55:16am

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

Earlier today I was thinking that the GOP Senators basically ignoring all kinds of illegal shit to NOT impeach Trump can be described in a nutshell as: “Rich white assholes come to defense of another rich white asshole.”

Yes, I know Trumps wealth or lack thereof is a matter of conjecture, but to keep things simple, I’m referring to him as a rich guy.

Our Congress is not representative of our country at all. The Dem caucus resembles America more. The Republican caucus resembles the America of our grandparents.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:56:06am

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

So, we don’t get our tough cop to take on the Trump/Putin crime syndicate.

“Onward, into the darkness, and through the darkness,” as Churchill said upon the fall of Singapore.

We don’t get her as president. AG or DHS head would be great spots in my opinion, though I definitely lean toward VP if the nominee is Biden.

Edited

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:56:32am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:57:15am

re: #62 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

So, we don’t get our tough cop to take on the Trump/Putin crime syndicate.

“Onward, into the darkness, and through the darkness,” as Churchill said upon the fall of Singapore.

So many on the left I think don’t know what the fuck we really want. We say we want to hold Trump accountable but then we act like being a prosecutor or AG is a hindrance. Do I agree with every decision Kamala made as a DA and then AG? No, I can’t say that I do but if we’re going to disparage people like that from running to represent our party and ideology in the executive branch, we’ve got a problem and that’s something I definitely take issue with Harris’s left wing detractors on.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:58:14am

re: #64 Belafon

We don’t get her as president. AG or DHS head would be great spots in my opinion, though I definitely lean toward VP if the nominee is Biden.

Edited

AG or keep her in the Senate IMO. I think DHS would be better for someone else IMO. She was more of a criminal law specialist than national security although I’m sure she is more than capable on the latter.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2019 • 10:59:08am

I can’t help feeling this was rushed out, and they’re moving too fast. But I guess we’ll see who’s right soon enough.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:00:01am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

AG or keep her in the Senate IMO. I think DHS would be better for someone else IMO. She was more of a criminal law specialist than national security although I’m sure she is more than capable on the latter.

Agree. The only reason I’m actually thinking DHS is that CPB and ICE need to be cleaned up big time. But that might still be the job of the AG.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:00:20am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

I can’t help feeling this was rushed out, and they’re moving too fast. But I guess we’ll see who’s right soon enough.

I guess given that the R’s rushed to release theirs, they didn’t want the R narrative to domiante the newscycle.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:01:17am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

I guess given that the R’s rushed to release theirs, they didn’t want the R narrative to domiante the newscycle.

Plus, all they’re doing is moving everything to the Judiciary committee.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:02:09am

re: #69 Belafon

Agree. The only reason I’m actually thinking DHS is that CPB and ICE need to be cleaned up big time. But that might still be the job of the AG.

Yeah I think so too. We definitely need to clean up CPB and ICE. I really want O’Rourke in a position involving Latin America or immigration speaking of that though.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:02:36am

I really like Harris, it’s a shame that it didn’t work out, and from what I’ve read, she probably relied too much on consultants in running her campaign.

But here’s hoping she’ll be representing us in the Senate for a long time. I think she can be very effective there.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:03:04am

re: #71 Belafon

Plus, all they’re doing is moving everything to the Judiciary committee.

Seems that Nadler is going to use the judiciary to argue the precedent of why this is impeachable material. It’s not going to be as “sexy” as some will like but it will lay down why Trump’s behavior is worthy of impeachment.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:03:25am

re: #69 Belafon

Agree. The only reason I’m actually thinking DHS is that CPB and ICE need to be cleaned up big time. But that might still be the job of the AG.

DHS should be disbanded and all the agencies returned to their old departments.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:03:34am

Time to come to grips with the idea that the next person elected President will be white and over 70. If we do it right, it could be a white Democrat over 70. If we do it very right, it could be a white female Democrat over 70.

If we do it wrong, it will be Trump.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:05:10am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:05:47am

re: #75 KGxvi

DHS should be disbanded and all the agencies returned to their old departments.

I wonder what the precedent is for abolishing a department is. Certainly we know that the Republicans wanted to abolish the Department of Education early on but that never happened. Other cabinet departments have merged in the past too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:06:03am

re: #77 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s a fact.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:06:07am

Bright side with Harris is that she’s only 55. So in theory, she could run again in say 2028 or even 2032.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:08:10am

re: #80 KGxvi

Bright side with Harris is that she’s only 55. So in theory, she could run again in say 2028 or even 2032.

Which is why I would like to see her as VP if it’s Biden or (gag) Sanders. If it’s Warren, I want Beto to really ramp up Texas.

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Citizen K  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:08:33am

re: #65 Charles Johnson

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It’s telling just how much celebration this one specific drop out is eliciting. No one else seems to be inspiring this much elation and gloating over her drop out. It’s disgusting and kind of shows who the real bedfellows are, really.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:09:15am

re: #81 Belafon

Which is why I would like to see her as VP if it’s Biden or (gag) Sanders. If it’s Warren, I want Beto to really ramp up Texas.

Biden/Harris makes conventional sense. Warren/Harris does not.

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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:09:42am

re: #78 HappyWarrior

I wonder what the precedent is for abolishing a department is. Certainly we know that the Republicans wanted to abolish the Department of Education early on but that never happened. Other cabinet departments have merged in the past too.

Technically the War Department and the Post Office Department were disbanded. The War Department was superceded by the Army and Air Force Departments, which later along with the Navy Department were combined into the Defense Department. The Post Office Department became the Postal Service.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:10:44am

re: #84 KGxvi

Technically the War Department and the Post Office Department were disbanded. The War Department was superceded by the Army and Air Force Departments, which later along with the Navy Department were combined into the Defense Department. The Post Office Department became the Postal Service.

That’s right. I forgot that postmaster general was a position that dissolved.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:11:33am

Have the feeling he’s getting off on light charges after his statement

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:11:43am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

I can’t help feeling this was rushed out, and they’re moving too fast. But I guess we’ll see who’s right soon enough.

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It was probably to counterprogram against the bullshit GOP report that was released earlier.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:11:48am

re: #83 Decatur Deb

Biden/Harris makes conventional sense. Warren/Harris does not.

Conventional sense left town three years ago.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:12:25am

re: #84 KGxvi

Technically the War Department and the Post Office Department were disbanded. The War Department was superceded by the Army and Air Force Departments, which later along with the Navy Department were combined into the Defense Department. The Post Office Department became the Postal Service.

While not quite a cabinet-level department, the Board of Tea Examiners was eliminated in 1996, after a 99-year run.
nytimes.com

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:13:45am

re: #89 Decatur Deb

While not quite a cabinet-level post, the Board of Tea Examiners was eliminated in 1996, after a 99-year run.
nytimes.com

Meanwhile Britain probably has had a few cups of tea as MPs. I’m voting Chai.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:14:06am

re: #89 Decatur Deb

While not quite a cabinet-level post, the Board of Tea Examiners was eliminated in 1996, after a 99-year run.
nytimes.com

You’d think they could have at least let them make the century mark.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:15:25am

re: #91 Eclectic Cyborg

You’d think they could have at least let them make the century mark.

If only Trump had been in office in ‘96… //

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:15:50am

re: #92 Belafon

If only Trump had been in office in ‘96… //

There were no centennials before Trump. //

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:19:20am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:20:48am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

I can’t help feeling this was rushed out, and they’re moving too fast. But I guess we’ll see who’s right soon enough.

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I predict additions, followed by “you can’t do that”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:22:53am

RIP Dorothy “D.C.” Fontana.

treknews.net

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:23:13am

re: #94 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

There are a whole lot of black people who are part of the Democratic coalition. A lot of them are probably dealing with the idea that a minority might have more trouble in the general election, but this comment completely ignores how much influence they have.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:24:48am

Did we expect Shithead Shapiro to tweet anything decent?

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:24:59am

Popehat being a jackass.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:25:06am

re: #86 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Have the feeling he’s getting off on light charges after his statement

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, admitted his guilt Tuesday in a yearslong campaign-finance scandal and now awaits his sentence.

The U.S Marines veteran all but ended his political career during a brief hearing before U.S. District Court Judge Thomas J. Whelan, admitting to a single count of conspiracy to convert campaign funds to personal use. He said only one word to the judge, “Guilty.”

Hunter will likely face up to five years in prison when he is sentenced March 17, but he may receive much less time behind bars.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:25:42am

re: #97 Belafon

There are a whole lot of black people who are part of the Democratic coalition. A lot of them are probably dealing with the idea that a minority might have more trouble in the general election, but this comment completely ignores how much influence they have.

I think minorities are tired of hearing from so called populists that if we just focus on economics that all will be fine. And I really feel that’s why I get annoyed with Sanders. He wants to act like our societal problems are simply because of wealthy disparity and that is a problem but it is not the only problem. And he goes out of his way to use right wing like rhetoric to dismiss people who point that out. It’s maddening especially to PoC.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:25:56am

re: #100 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

60 counts. Only had to plead to one. Be out in less than 5 years.

White privilege at work, folks.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:26:22am

re: #98 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did we expect Shithead Shapiro to tweet anything decent?

Has he ever tweeted anything decent? The most decent thing he could tweet is “I quit politics. I’m going to retire to be a full time hermit.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:26:28am
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KGxvi  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:27:04am

re: #99 Scottish Dragon

Not really being a jackass… that’s a calculus that a lot of lawyers make every single day when they have the talk with their clients about settling their claims or taking a plea.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:27:37am

re: #99 Scottish Dragon

Popehat being a jackass.

It really gets exhausting and I say this as a white guy seeing white guys crap on women and PoC trying to rise in the system that that white dudes like PH have benefited from by being default player.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:28:24am

re: #99 Scottish Dragon

Popehat being a jackass.

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Gonna go out on a limb and say maybe getting blocked by him was not such a bad thing.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:29:05am

re: #105 KGxvi

Not really being a jackass… that’s a calculus that a lot of lawyers make every single day when they have the talk with their clients about settling their claims or taking a plea.

When you read the comments you see exactly how it is being taken. It’s white dudebro giggles or the usual SHES A COP HAHAHAHAHAHA

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Citizen K  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:31:01am

re: #97 Belafon

There are a whole lot of black people who are part of the Democratic coalition. A lot of them are probably dealing with the idea that a minority might have more trouble in the general election, but this comment completely ignores how much influence they have.

I mean…that’s generally true of the past few elections too. But it’s still clear that even post-Obama, candidates of color struggle far more than their white counterparts despite similar resumes and appeal otherwise, not to mention that the anti-“identity politics” brigade for the most part seems to be winning, between media ratfucking, ‘economics only’ politics, and (once again) battered pragmatism.

It just seems sadly fitting and infinitely frustrating that those who need to and deserve to advocate more and be loudest about needing to be represented are the first to compromise tend to be the ones that are forced to compromise first just because they’re the first to feel the worst, when the worst comes. Meanwhile those who are the loudest and most strident tend to end up the ones most insulated if/when the worst comes to pass.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:33:27am

re: #109 Citizen K

I mean…that’s generally true of the past few elections too. But it’s still clear that even post-Obama, candidates of color struggle far more than their white counterparts despite similar resumes and appeal otherwise, not to mention that the anti-“identity politics” brigade for the most part seems to be winning, between media ratfucking, ‘economics only’ politics, and (once again) battered pragmatism.

It just seems sadly fitting and infinitely frustrating that those who need to and deserve to advocate more and be loudest about needing to be represented are the first to compromise tend to be the ones that are forced to compromise first just because they’re the first to feel the worst, when the worst comes. Meanwhile those who are the loudest and most strident tend to end up the ones most insulated if/when the worst comes to pass.

The frustrating thing is seeing parts of the left fuel the bs about identity politics. I want to shout at Bernie every time he calls attacks on choice, minorities, etc “distractions.” Certainly economic plutocrats define the right but so do sexists and bigots.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:35:26am
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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:36:06am

re: #105 KGxvi

Not really being a jackass… that’s a calculus that a lot of lawyers make every single day when they have the talk with their clients about settling their claims or taking a plea.

Also, he is fitting into his usual narrative on how the criminal justice system puts poor people at a massive disadvantage (he is a former federal prosecutor himself).

So, white male former prosecutor laughing at woman of color former prosecutor and the joke is she deserves to be treated like a defendant.

So very funny.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:37:11am

re: #104 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Citizen K  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:37:21am

All this shit just stinks.

And twitter is just overflowing with how infinitely bad Harris was all over, how she hated black people and everything, clearly.

We’re never getting another POC president in my lifetime, are we?

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:37:41am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:38:57am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:39:07am

re: #115 jaunte

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Says a woman who is a spokeswoman for a guy who talked about suing for treason.

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Scottish Dragon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:39:16am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:39:32am

re: #116 Charles Johnson

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See ya in orange, Devin.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:40:10am

re: #118 Scottish Dragon

He pretty much nailed it there.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:40:23am

re: #118 Scottish Dragon

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I’m sick of rich assholes thinking that being a rich asshole qualifies them to be potus.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:44:10am
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Citizen K  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:46:23am

re: #118 Scottish Dragon

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Unfortunately the folks sounding the alarm on this the most tend to be the ones who act like it’s a DNC specific problem and that the solution is to burn the party down.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:46:33am

Please let the phone logs show Parnas and Rudy talking to Doug Collins!!!!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:46:43am

re: #122 jaunte

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Lev wanted some milk.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:47:25am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Udderly shameless.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:47:52am

re: #126 jaunte

Udderly shameless.

Mooooooo Boooooo.

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Belafon  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:48:58am

re: #126 jaunte

Udderly shameless.

That’s what his mom said.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:49:19am

re: #126 jaunte

Udderly shameless.

Do you think Devin and him ever sent boVINEs to each other?

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Citizen K  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:49:35am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:49:50am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Lev wanted some milk.

re: #126 jaunte

Udderly shameless.

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

Mooooooo Boooooo.

For the lot of you

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:50:03am

re: #128 Belafon

That’s what his mom said.

Well done unlike a Trump steak

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:50:14am

re: #114 Citizen K

All this shit just stinks.

And twitter is just overflowing with how infinitely bad Harris was all over, how she hated black people and everything, clearly.

We’re never getting another POC president in my lifetime, are we?

If you’re 80+ that may well be true. The impossible hurdle for Harris was three fold though: female, black &, yes, a cop. One of those can be overcome by a good enough candidate but in today’s environment no one is going to overcome all three. I expect Warren to be the candidate this time and I expect that, absent serious Russian ratfucking, she can win.

Post her, then there will be other candidates of color and perhaps even candidates with LEO backgrounds though that will require serious rehabilitation of the entire legal system first. No matter how “good” a cop Harris was, she was still a prosecutor working within an utterly corrupt system and too many people could not look past that, and they are not just Berniebros. This is, in the end why she could not get enough money, I would argue.

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plansbandc  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:52:11am

re: #114 Citizen K

Nope, and we most definitely won’t be getting a woman unless things change one hell of a lot and very quickly.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:52:17am

Seems like a lot of devices.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:53:06am

re: #131 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

For the lot of you

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I’m hereford all the puns.

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:54:25am

re: #136 Barefoot Grin

Devin really wanted to get Lev on the horn.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:55:17am

re: #137 jaunte

Devin really wanted to get Lev on the horn.

I guess Lev thought Devin was his ace in the Holstein.

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William Lewis  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:57:07am

re: #136 Barefoot Grin

I’m hereford all the puns.

That’s only if you have a beef with them.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:58:04am

all of you ….. out

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jaunte  Dec 3, 2019 • 11:59:47am

re: #140 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

I’ll be upstairs.

Ruminating.

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dirkdigglerjr  Dec 3, 2019 • 12:06:43pm

re: #139 William Lewis

You Don’t Want No Beef Joker Suicide Squad

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marcusgorillius  Dec 3, 2019 • 1:59:40pm

re: #1 Scottish Dragon

This is too bad. I really liked her. Thought she would have made a good president. But after Trump, my fucking dog would have made a good one.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 3, 2019 • 2:05:16pm

re: #143 marcusgorillius

This is too bad. I really liked her. Thought she would have made a good president. But after Trump, my fucking dog would have made a good one.

You’re at the end of a very stale thread—most have moved up.

No way in hell my dog would pardon a turkey.

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sagehen  Dec 3, 2019 • 4:14:30pm

re: #52 danarchy

We have had exactly 1 (puported) billionaire president in our history. Washington may have been close in inflation adjusted wealth. Now, we have had an awful lot of millionaire presidents.

The Roosevelts and Kennedys were super-wealthy; adjusted for inflation, their fathers probably would be billionaires.

And the Bushes. 41 made most of his money from Carlisle Group after his term, but his father Preston Bush was an industrialist decades earlier, who some chunk of his money came from 1930’s Germany.

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vgranucci  Dec 3, 2019 • 7:40:35pm

re: #64 Belafon

We don’t get her as president. AG or DHS head would be great spots in my opinion, though I definitely lean toward VP if the nominee is Biden.

I’d like to see her as VP candidate for any of our older potential candidates (Bernie, Biden, Warren, or God forbid, Bloomberg).


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