Drunk History: How Louis Armstrong Became Louis Armstrong (Feat. Miles Brown) [VIDEO]

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Louis Armstrong grew up listening to music in the brothels of New Orleans and wound up becoming a jazz legend.

About Drunk History:
Based on the popular web series, Drunk History is the liquored-up narration of our nation’s history. Host Derek Waters, along with an ever-changing cast of actors and comedians, travels across the country to present the rich tales that every city in this land has to offer. Booze helps bring out the truth. It’s just that sometimes the truth is a little incoherent.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 29, 2019 • 10:41:14am
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A Mom Anon  Dec 29, 2019 • 10:41:59am

Drunk History is a great show. I need to catch up on episodes I’ve missed.

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jaunte  Dec 29, 2019 • 10:53:06am

Unsealed history:

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 10:53:15am
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 10:53:33am
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 10:55:58am

Twitter as usual, doing nothing to stop actual Nazis.

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sagehen  Dec 29, 2019 • 10:57:24am

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

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“Cling to their guns and religion…”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:04:44am

Another church shooting…this time in Texas.

nydailynews.com

IN THE NAME OF CTHULHU CAN WE PLEASE HAVE JUST ONE DAY GO BY WITHOUT THIS SHIT?

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jaunte  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:05:36am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:05:45am

I got to decompress…

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:11:13am

re: #8 Joe Bacon 🌹

I wonder if it was some sort of domestic issue that escalated out of control and into the church, resulting in the shooting.

Granted, it could just be some random spree killer.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:20:36am

re: #8 Joe Bacon 🌹

Another church shooting…this time in Texas.

nydailynews.com

IN THE NAME OF CTHULHU CAN WE PLEASE HAVE JUST ONE DAY GO BY WITHOUT THIS SHIT?

Not in the NRAs America.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:30:03am

re: #11 Dr Lizardo

I wonder if it was some sort of domestic issue that escalated out of control and into the church, resulting in the shooting.

Granted, it could just be some random spree killer.

Certainly the horrendous 2017 Sutherland Springs massacre in Texas was due to a domestic dispute.

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William Lewis  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:31:58am

re: #11 Dr Lizardo

I wonder if it was some sort of domestic issue that escalated out of control and into the church, resulting in the shooting.

Granted, it could just be some random spree killer.

It’s almost certain that’s the root cause made more deadly by easy access to firearms.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:33:16am

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

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Exactly

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:35:05am

re: #9 jaunte

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Of course not. Crybaby President is too busy trashing Pelosi and San Francisco to care.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:38:53am

worth a click

Doonesbury

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jaunte  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:39:08am
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:42:42am

re: #18 jaunte

Mr Kasparov is absolutely correct. And it is also one of the many reasons why I too subscribe to another paper.

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lawhawk  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:45:57am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:47:58am

re: #18 jaunte

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A pass is absurd. A pass is Trump’s circle doing the same crap they wanted to lock HRC up over and the right acting like it’s no biggie. Not to mention their annoying his abuses of power.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:54:42am

And now, a picture of a dog…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:56:06am

My mild obsessive compulsive needs are briefly satisfied

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:56:31am

re: #20 lawhawk

Story I saw said the shooter was stopped by several armed congregants, so expect plenty of GGWAG arguments on this one.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:57:37am
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:58:39am

re: #22 A Mom Anon

Sideways but a very welcome break from DT and his brand of politics.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:58:45am

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

Story I saw said the shooter was stopped by several armed congregants, so expect plenty of GGWAG arguments on this one.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:58:45am

Sitting in my office getting misty over this one:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 11:59:04am

re: #25 Dave In Austin

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Can’t stand Abbott’s fake ass. No one buys he’s a serious man of prayer the way he used to act like he was TCOT’s governor and not his state’s. He’s an empty fraud of a man.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:02:48pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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They live in a fantasy world and the NRA fosters that bastard child of reality.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:02:55pm
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PhillyPretzel  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:03:10pm

re: #28 Barefoot Grin

You might not know the language but you understand the message. Very well done.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:06:37pm
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jaunte  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:08:38pm

I call him “desperate for external validation.”

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Jay C  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:09:48pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Also just brushing over the fact that it was a security guard who took out the shooter

And another fact brushed away - that some random church in Texas feels it needs to have armed security guards in the first place??

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:10:49pm

re: #34 jaunte

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I call him “desperate for external validation.”

Nah Trump calls him a dumba$$ because he spends his money on Trump’s tacky merchandise. Trumpers are marks and they’re too hateful to realize it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:11:21pm

re: #35 Jay C

And another fact brushed away - that some random church in Texas feels it needs to have armed security guards in the first place??

An armed society is a polite society my ass.

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jaunte  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:12:05pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

He grew up knowing there were people who would spend more to be in a building with mock gold-plated fixtures because it made them feel special.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:13:14pm

re: #38 jaunte

He grew up knowing there were people who would spend more to be in a building with mock gold-plated fixtures because it made them feel special.

Trump’s entire business model = slums for millionaires.

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Interesting Times  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:16:17pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Then it’s pretty much a repeat of this incident: New Life Church shooting

Murray then entered the building’s main foyer where he wounded Larry Bourbonnais, as Bourbonnais was attempting to yell at Murray to distract Murray from hurting others; Bourbonnais was minorly wounded in the forearm with shrapnel. At this point, church member Jeanne Assam, a private security guard working for New Life Church, who was herself a former Minneapolis Police Department law enforcement officer, opened fire upon Murray.

(fun fact: Jeanne Assam, credited by the pastor with potentially saving over 100 lives, was later kicked out by the very same church for being a lesbian).

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:19:42pm

I haven’t watched Chuck Todd’s show on disinformation, but someone posted a link to a mediaite story where both Marty Baron and Dean Baquet—unless there’s wider context I’m missing—seemed to double down on the need to understand the Trump voter (‘we respect the Trump voter’). Of course, a quick look at the comments by the usual chowder heads that go to mediaite demonstrates precisely why it’s a fool’s errand—filled to the brim with “libtards typing on their Obama phones” and “they say they respect us but you can feel the contempt” and “I don’t need the respect of nazis and commie libs!”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:19:43pm

re: #40 Interesting Times

Then it’s pretty much a repeat of this incident: New Life Church shooting

(fun fact: Jeanne Assam, credited by the pastor with potentially saving over 100 lives, was later kicked out by the very same church for being a lesbian).

Yeah I remember that. Hey thanks for saving our lives but how dare you be gay. Right wing Evangelicals have no moral authority at all to lecture anyone on human decency.

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A Mom Anon  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:25:35pm

re: #41 Barefoot Grin

If I was able and had the resources, I would travel around red states and interview liberals and film it all and maybe even do live video. Is anyone doing that at all?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:29:41pm

spit

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:30:44pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

spit

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He can start by telling his allies to stop with their attacks on Soros that would make Goebells blush.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:33:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:34:33pm

re: #43 A Mom Anon

If I was able and had the resources, I would travel around red states and interview liberals and film it all and maybe even do live video. Is anyone doing that at all?

I haven’t seen it ever. What gets me as the tweet in 1 said the Dems have to walk over egg shells not to offend rural and white America but there is never any condemnation of how urbanites especially of color are by the Republicans as being nothing but moochers. There’s a lot of self delusion in bright red America and it gets fed by right wing elitists who love to talk up the supposed moral superiority of those areas but ignore they have crime, drug abuse, etc too because they’re obsessed with acting like Red America is the only real America.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:35:15pm

re: #46 The Pie Overlord!

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Stephens may not like Trump but he’s still a chode.

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plansbandc  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:37:15pm

re: #22 A Mom Anon

Such a beautiful doggo! Shepherds are great dogs. They take about 2-3 years to fully mature, but they are great dogs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:38:35pm

re: #35 Jay C

And another fact brushed away - that some random church in Texas feels it needs to have armed security guards in the first place??

Can’t speak for every Southern church, but all of the mid-size ones I have attended have security teams with guys who have CCWs. Also if you recall I believe Alabama passed a bill to allow one big church to have their OWN POLICE FORCE.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:39:20pm

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

Can’t speak for every Southern church, but all of the mid-size ones I have attended have security teams with guys who have CCWs. Also if you recall I believe Alabama passed a bill to allow one big church to have their OWN POLICE FORCE.

A police force for a church? JFC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:39:36pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:40:07pm

I can’t help suspecting that this is staged somehow.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:40:39pm

re: #28 Barefoot Grin

Sitting in my office getting misty over this one:

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Am I jaded?
Man’s having a rage/rant at wife/woman in his car
Kid bangs on window
Man shoots kid then claims surprised/ scared/fear for his life

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:42:20pm

re: #49 plansbandc

Such a beautiful doggo! Shepherds are great dogs. They take about 2-3 years to fully mature grow into their ears, but they are great dogs.

;-)

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plansbandc  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:45:40pm

Apparently there’s a grocery store more redneck than Piggly Wiggly??

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b.d. (Lock Him Up!)  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:47:08pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Can’t stand Abbott’s fake ass. No one buys he’s a serious man of prayer the way he used to act like he was TCOT’s governor and not his state’s. He’s an empty fraud of a man.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:47:11pm

1. “There has never been, ever before, an administration that’s been so open and transparent.” — Donald Trump on May 20, 2019, in remarks at the White House — Pants on Fire — 53.46%

2. “The first so-called second hand information ‘Whistleblower’ got my phone conversation almost completely wrong.” — Donald Trump on Oct. 5, 2019, to reporters — Pants on Fire — 16.33%

3. Originally “almost all models predicted” Dorian would hit Alabama.— Donald Trump on Sept. 4, 2019, in a tweet — Pants on Fire — 10.14%

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danarchy  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:51:37pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

A police force for a church? JFC.

If I recall correctly the police force was to cover it’s seminary and school campus. Lot’s of private universities have actual police forces. My university certainly did.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:55:09pm

re: #28 Barefoot Grin

Sitting in my office getting misty over this one:

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that ending…tears

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Charles Johnson  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:55:13pm
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Mescalero09  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:56:48pm

Genius.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 29, 2019 • 12:58:59pm

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

spit

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:03:12pm

re: #59 danarchy

If I recall correctly the police force was to cover it’s seminary and school campus. Lot’s of private universities have actual police forces. My university certainly did.

I’d have to see but the mega church complex creeps me out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:03:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:04:01pm

re: #58 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I had forgotten that.

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mmmirele  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:04:25pm

re: #59 danarchy

If I recall correctly the police force was to cover it’s seminary and school campus. Lot’s of private universities have actual police forces. My university certainly did.

This is Briarwood Presbyterian Church (PCA, a conservative Presbyterian denom). The church does not have a seminary. It has a school on two campuses with 1,800 students. The fear expressed with allowing Briarwood to have its own police force is that the police would have yet another reason to suppress bad behavior (read: child sexual abuse) getting out to the public. But they still got it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:07:06pm

re: #67 mmmirele

This is Briarwood Presbyterian Church (PCA, a conservative Presbyterian denom). The church does not have a seminary. It has a school on two campuses with 1,800 students. The fear expressed with allowing Briarwood to have its own police force is that the police would have yet another reason to suppress bad behavior (read: child sexual abuse) getting out to the public. But they still got it.

Yeah I’m sorry but the whole thing sounds absurd to me. Security I get but an entire pd?

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A Cranky One  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:17:33pm

re: #49 plansbandc

Such a beautiful doggo! Shepherds are great dogs. They take about 2-3 years to fully mature, but they are great dogs.

Yah, but the big ears catch the left leaning breeze here and cause all the pictures to flip sideways.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:17:47pm

re: #46 The Pie Overlord!

Editors are even bad in editing their lack of editing.

It wasn’t a ‘but it was a mistake…’ It should have been ‘and it was a mistake…’ or better.. ‘; it was….’. But implies intent to fix, he flat out put it there uncritically or meant the racial aspect of it. There is no middle ground.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:19:05pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

When I worked around the University of Penn I got to know a few of their officers. I knew whenever I needed help I could count on the Penn Police to provide some sort of help until my supervisor came.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:23:37pm
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Jay C  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:25:34pm

re: #67 mmmirele

re: #59 danarchy

If I recall correctly the police force was to cover it’s seminary and school campus. Lot’s of private universities have actual police forces. My university certainly did.

This is Briarwood Presbyterian Church (PCA, a conservative Presbyterian denom). The church does not have a seminary. It has a school on two campuses with 1,800 students. The fear expressed with allowing Briarwood to have its own police force is that the police would have yet another reason to suppress bad behavior (read: child sexual abuse) getting out to the public. But they still got it.

IIRC (possibly, and probably not), wasn’t the AL “Church Police” law a matter of legally redefining such forces as official “police/law-enforcement” vs. their previous status as “private security” or something? IOW, allowing them the official latitude to arrest people, etc.?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:26:45pm

re: #73 Jay C

IIRC (possibly, and probably not), wasn’t the AL “Church Police” law a matter of redefining such forces as official “police/law-enforcement” vs. their previous status as “private security” or something? IOW, allowing them the official latitude to arrest people, etc.?

That’s my concern. I get security but giving officers of a church the power to arrest? Let’s just say I don’t think this would ever be acceptable for a mosque.

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mmmirele  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:28:08pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m sorry but the whole thing sounds absurd to me. Security I get but an entire pd?

When you have that much influence in a state, you can get everything you want. That’s pretty much how it went down there.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:30:04pm

re: #75 mmmirele

When you have that much influence in a state, you can get everything you want. That’s pretty much how it went down there.

Correct and this is why their persecution claims are nonsense.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:32:23pm
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:35:49pm

Dude can’t even punch a speed bag without getting popped in the kisser but I’m supposed to believe he’s gonna strap on some skates and not bust his ass in front of thousands of people?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:36:48pm

obama gave official speeches
trump gives campaign “rallies”

some people didnt like obama’s policies
those who ‘hated’ obama did/do so because he is black, not because of his policies, politics or rhetoric

trump’s policies are cruel, regressive, separating, and isolating.
they are also ineffective and mostly counterproductive to his stated goals (ie trade)

people dislike or hate trump because he has thrown down the gauntlet, disavowed them first, and reinforces it daily.

he purposely, loudly and daily denigrates, separates, and attacks.
he creates us vs them.
in his rallies, tweets and out loud he daily shows open contempt for half the country.
he admits he’s not the president of everybody.

blatant criminal behavior and thumbing his nose at convention aside.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:44:47pm

Happy Hanukkah. Eighth night just started in Philly. :)

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:46:16pm

My congress rep

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plansbandc  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:49:03pm

Colorado’s products are enjoyable.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:49:10pm
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Alephnaught  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:52:44pm

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

Twitter as usual, doing nothing to stop actual Nazis.

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Hang on, I’m seeing in that screencapped tweet some racist idiot babbling on about “ASHKENAZIM”- and this is just under two days after Bret Stephens’ craptastic racist excuse of a column about Ashkenazi Jews?

Coincidence?

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BeachDem  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:56:58pm

re: #70 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Editors are even bad in editing their lack of editing.

It wasn’t a ‘but it was a mistake…’ It should have been ‘and it was a mistake…’ or better.. ‘; it was….’. But implies intent to fix, he flat out put it there uncritically or meant the racial aspect of it. There is no middle ground.

I’d also take issue with the phrase a paper widely disputed as advancing a racist hypothesis

and would phrase it either:

a widely discredited paper that advanced a racist hypothesis

or

a paper that presented a widely disputed racist hypothesis

or, simply

Bretbug cited a totally bogus, racist source to support his unsupportable thesis.

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Jay C  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:57:26pm

BTW, not like it will be an unexpected revelation, but the usual comments have been published (NYT) about Grafton Thomas, the accused machete-attacker at the rabbi’s house in Monsey, NY:

Mr. Thomas, who prosecutors said they believed acted alone, is facing five counts of attempted murder and one count of first degree burglary.

At his arraignment on Sunday morning, Mr. Thomas, who was wearing a white prison suit, pleaded not guilty to all charges and offered no comment.

Some neighbors said Mr. Thomas, who is from Greenwood Lake, N.Y., about 20 miles from Monsey, was an unassuming neighbor.

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“People are very surprised to find out that this individual is responsible for such horrific actions,” he said. “There was no reason to believe that he was capable of doing anything like this.”

One really has to wonder whether it is just a journalistic convention, or are so many of these violent attackers really the sort of “unassuming neighbors” they are almost-invariably described as?

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:58:02pm

While normal people were reacting with horror and compassion to the attack in Monsey, POS45 retweeted a fan of Swastika-tattoo-licking Nazi symp banned from Twitter:
In spoiler tags because you know why.

Click to Reveal
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Dread Pirate  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:58:55pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:59:27pm

re: #88 Dread Pirate

Jesus. Has the whole world been infected with Trump stupidity?

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 29, 2019 • 1:59:49pm

re: #88 Dread Pirate

Sounds very familiar.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:00:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:00:58pm

re: #88 Dread Pirate

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Fucking Bibi needs to go away.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:01:24pm

re: #91 Dread Pirate

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Uh no.

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BigPapa  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:02:46pm

Immunity from prosectution is the cornerstone of democracy?

Uh, no. STFU and take a whole row of seats.

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Jay C  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:04:12pm

re: #88 Dread Pirate

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“Hi-tech officials”?

The Jerusalem Post uses this phrase in all its linked pieces, so I’m wondering if this is a translation issue, or maybe the Israeli Government is replacing its people with computers (robots? cyborgs?), and they’re finally re-writing their own programs (to send the Bibi-bot offline)?

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:05:31pm

re: #91 Dread Pirate

The Trumpisizing of Israel (see also: The Trumpisizing of Britain)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:06:00pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:09:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:09:54pm

re: #96 The Pie Overlord!

The Trumpisizing of Israel (see also: The Trumpisizing of Britain)

That’s why I talk about long term damage. He’s emboldened a lot of ugly elements. Bibi and Boris were awful before Trump but Trump has given them permission to act undemocratically even mire.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:10:57pm

re: #88 Dread Pirate

Fire him? No, it’s holding Netanyahu accountable for his misconduct and crimes. Being a politician doesn’t place one above the law.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:12:41pm

re: #6 The Pie Overlord!

Twitter as usual, doing nothing to stop actual Nazis.

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Bet I’d get banned if I tweeted to twitter support that they are all child molesters and murders.

(Full disclosure, I canceled my twitter and facebook accounts many moons ago. FUCK THEM)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:13:05pm

re: #86 Jay C

I read the unassuming neighbor line as “I didn’t know the choad and he never annoyed me, so he was OK.” It’s pablum that shouldn’t have been written.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:16:12pm

Not hiding this, since you have click on it to get the video to play

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:21:00pm

re: #86 Jay C

One really has to wonder whether it is just a journalistic convention, or are so many of these violent attackers really the sort of “unassuming neighbors” they are almost-invariably described as?

As social animals we’re built to trust one another; as encultured individuals we’re trained to make judgements about self-preservation on the basis of a slate of heuristics about who is “safe” and who has authority that are built on assumptions that are (1) filled with unreflected-on mythology about who “we” are, and who the violent “they” are, (2) assume that people like us are okay people. Most people don’t know their neighbors and largely ignore them, filling in tropes where they have no information should they ever bother to consider them. There’s even an implicit societal incentive to think of your neighbors as “normal” because the alternative—that criminal deviance is always possible is there is no easily-recognizable set of clues for who’s going to get violent—upends the very premise of in-group safety.

And most killers are capable of performing “normality” to a degree sufficient to pass through the extremely limited scrutiny they receive. Not because they’re geniuses, but because we’re bad at detection.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:22:05pm
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Jay C  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:25:23pm

re: #100 Patricia Kayden

Fire him? No, it’s holding Netanyahu accountable for his misconduct and crimes. Being a politician doesn’t place one above the law.

Except that that seems to be the exact argument Netanyahu is making. And invoking the principle of “democracy” to try to justify it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:26:56pm

re: #106 Jay C

Except that that seems to be the exact argument Netanyahu is making. And invoking the principle of “democracy” to try to justify it.

Just like Trump Tweeting that it’s “Unconstitutional!!” to impeach him.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:30:17pm

That’s the second lethal gunfight video I have seen today. Just brutal. Nightmare fuel.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:31:17pm

Hopefully on belaboring the obvious, but chances are real good that Bret Stephens is allowed to spawn eugenic horseshit because someone above him sees it as valuable and has the clout and capital to make it happen.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:38:22pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

Dude can’t even punch a speed bag without getting popped in the kisser but I’m supposed to believe he’s gonna strap on some skates and not bust his ass in front of thousands of people?

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i am not a total curmudgeon
or a grinch

this is a totally stupid idea and a stupid sentence no one should have to say out loud.

“@BernieSanders will be skating into an ice rink tonight to light a menorah”

bernie or not

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:38:36pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:39:21pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:43:17pm

re: #83 Patricia Kayden

- mcconnell is more consequential than trump
- no need to feign loyalty
- if mitch openly rebelled, the senate would follow him and do what he said. then mitch and the senate would have way more power than trump. the trump power base would crumble (as would trump himself)
-(never gonna happen)

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plansbandc  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:45:02pm

I can’t handle the cuteness.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:45:05pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:46:17pm

re: #98 Patricia Kayden

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i know this is well intended. and i’ve seen it a lot today.

My thoughts and prayers are with the Jewish community and those in White Settlement, Texas. Our country was founded on the principles of religious freedom and diversity. No one should fear for their safety because of their religion, race, gender, nationality, or orientation. 1/2

in this context, i would much prefer “No one should fear for their safety”.

For any reason.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:57:33pm

Wrong answer! Thanks for playing.

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Belafon  Dec 29, 2019 • 2:59:28pm

re: #117 The Pie Overlord!

Wrong answer! Thanks for playing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:02:53pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:03:09pm
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Sherlock Hound  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:04:59pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll quote a much-despised ward councilor, who sets the tone in my town long after her departure.

This woman, “Mrs. F.”, lived on one of our great greenspaces, the public park we know as Salem Common. One fall day, she called 911.

“There are PEOPLE playing FOOTBALL on the Common!”
After a few moments to regain his composure, the dispatcher replies, “What’s the score?!”
Click.

I have felt more and more alienated from my city ever since.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:06:00pm

re: #91 Dread Pirate

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No that’s a monarchy.

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plansbandc  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:07:36pm

Shit.

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SerialUpDinger  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:07:52pm

current mood as expressed by an iris dement song: Living in the Wasteland

YouTube


damn! this woman does not hold back on religion, politics or capitalism. Worth a listen - if only because so many here will agree with the sentiments expressed.

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gwangung  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:09:59pm

re: #123 plansbandc

Shit.

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This was restrained compared to my reaction.

Damn.

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retired cynic  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:11:29pm

re: #123 plansbandc

Shit.

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no no no no

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A Mom Anon  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:14:17pm

re: #123 plansbandc

Fuck. FUCK. Sigh. He’s such an honorable and decent man. WTF?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:15:11pm

re: #123 plansbandc

Shit.

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dammit

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:16:09pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Heh, maybe watch again later after a couple of pinch hits.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:18:06pm

re: #123 plansbandc

Shit.

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Oh no!

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BigPapa  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:18:07pm

John Lewis has prepared us for after he leaves us.

Still think Edmund Pettis Bridget should be named after him.

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:18:49pm
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William Lewis  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:21:02pm

re: #124 SerialUpDinger

current mood as expressed by an iris dement song: Living in the Wasteland

[Embedded content]

Video

damn! this woman does not hold back on religion, politics or capitalism. Worth a listen - if only because so many here will agree with the sentiments expressed.

Living in the wasteland of the free…

We got preachers dealing in politics and diamond mines
and their speech is growing increasingly unkind
They say they are Christ’s disciples
but they don’t look like Jesus to me
and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free

We got politicians running races on corporate cash
Now don’t tell me they don’t turn around and kiss them peoples’ ass
You may call me old-fashioned
but that don’t fit my picture of a true democracy
and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free

We got CEO’s making two hundred times the workers’ pay
but they’ll fight like hell against raising the minimum wage
and If you don’t like it, mister, they’ll ship your job
to some third-world country ‘cross the sea
and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free

Living in the wasteland of the free
where the poor have now become the enemy
Let’s blame our troubles on the weak ones
Sounds like some kind of Hitler remedy
Living in the wasteland of the free

We got little kids with guns fighting inner city wars
So what do we do, we put these little kids behind prison doors
and we call ourselves the advanced civilization
that sounds like crap to me
and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free

We got high-school kids running ‘round in Calvin Klein and Guess
who cannot pass a sixth-grade reading test
but if you ask them, they can tell you
the name of every crotch on MTV
and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free

We kill for oil, then we throw a party when we win
Some guy refuses to fight, and we call that the sin
but he’s standing up for what he believes in
and that seems pretty damned American to me
and it feels like I am living in the wasteland of the free

Living in the wasteland of the free
where the poor have now become the enemy
Let’s blame our troubles on the weak ones
Sounds like some kind of Hitler remedy
Living in the wasteland of the free

While we sit gloating in our greatness
justice is sinking to the bottom of the sea
Living in the wasteland of the free
Living in the wasteland of the free
Living in the wasteland of the free

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sagehen  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:24:25pm

re: #131 BigPapa

John Lewis has prepared us for after he leaves us.

Still think Edmund Pettis Bridget should be named after him.

here’s parts of what wikipedia says about Edmund Pettus:

en.wikipedia.org

Edmund Winston Pettus (born July 6, 1821 - July 27, 1907) was an American politician who represented Alabama in the United States Senate from 1897 to 1907. He previously served as a senior officer of the Confederate States Army who commanded infantry in the Western Theater of the American Civil War. After the war, he was politically active in the Ku Klux Klan, serving as a grand dragon.

In 1896, at the age of 75, Pettus ran for U.S. Senate as a Democrat and won, beating incumbent James L. Pugh. The state legislature, rather than state voters, elected United States Senators then. His campaign relied on his successes in organizing and popularizing the Alabama Klan and his prominent opposition to the constitutional amendments following the Civil War that elevated former slaves to the status of free citizens. On March 4, 1897, he began service in the U.S. Senate. The state legislature re-elected him in 1903.

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:25:19pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Yeah I remember that. Hey thanks for saving our lives but how dare you be gay. Right wing Evangelicals have no moral authority at all to lecture anyone on human decency.

Human decency is for secular humanists. Our worship of God places us beyond that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:26:05pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:29:56pm

Ugh, I can only imagine the kind of shit Trump will say after Lewis passes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:32:42pm
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retired cynic  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:34:23pm

re: #138 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

thank you!!!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:37:43pm

re: #139 retired cynic

thank you!!!

Hell, I was about to post just the raccoon clip, until I scrolled down a bit through it’s replies
lol

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:38:33pm

re: #138 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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guys just gotta have fun

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Rightwingconspirator  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:42:06pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Maybe but the drool really sells it. Cracked us up

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:43:11pm

re: #138 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Come at me bro

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:52:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:58:33pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 29, 2019 • 3:59:19pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pancreatic cancer can go fuck itself sideways. I have a personal grudge against that beast.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:00:01pm

re: #146 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Pancreatic cancer can go fuck itself sideways. I have a personal grudge against that beast.

Notorious RBG can give him pointers

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:07:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:10:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:15:48pm
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DodgerFan1988  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:16:23pm

re: #137 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, I can only imagine the kind of shit Trump will say after Lewis passes.

A lot of Trump Cult Followers already gloating about John Lewis having cancer, all over Facebook and Twitter. What else do we expect from the same deplorables that celebrated Elijah Cummings and John McCain’s deaths?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:19:09pm

re: #151 DodgerFan1988

A lot of Trump Cult Followers already gloating about John Lewis having cancer, all over Facebook and Twitter. What else do we expect from the same deplorables that celebrated Elijah Cummings and John McCain’s deaths?

We know Steven Miller will orgasm when Mr. Lewis crosses the rainbow bridge.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:25:25pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:25:41pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:25:52pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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BeachDem  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:29:54pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Congressman John Lewis Dancing to Pharrell Williams’ “Happy”: “Nothing Can Bring Me Down”

The only thing that can keep me from sobbing uncontrollably…John Lewis, one of a kind and the definition of a hero.

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mmmirele  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:30:38pm

re: #114 plansbandc

I can’t handle the cuteness.

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I swear, this is where Japanese “kawaii” (cute) comes from.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:35:19pm

It would warm my heart if Lewis could hang on until at least 11/4/20 and be able to die knowing for certain Trump will be a one term President.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:41:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:42:34pm
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jaunte  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:42:53pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

What’s the deal with the French bordello decor?

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:45:16pm

re: #161 jaunte

DT’s idea of high class decor. /

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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:45:25pm

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hmm?”

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jaunte  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:45:29pm

“L’ Etat, c’est Trump.”
— Hogan Gidley

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:45:56pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:46:19pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s good they mentioned it’s a pic from Mar-a-Lago, else I might have confused it with Versailles.

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mmmirele  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:47:31pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

It’s good they mentioned it’s a pic from Mar-a-Lago, else I might have confused it with Versailles.

I think Versailles has more class, plus a shitton more history.

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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:47:35pm

re: #159 Dread Pirate

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Nobody believes the “corruption” horseshit, not even his most devoted sycophants.

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Jay C  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:50:48pm

re: #161 jaunte

What’s the deal with the French bordello decor?

You kidding?
No self-respecting French madam would ever decorate her maison d’accomodation like that!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:51:52pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:52:06pm

Nothing says “I’ve more money than sense” like covering everything in gold leaf.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:53:00pm

re: #170 Backwoods_Sleuth

God bless that man. I miss him.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:53:07pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

Nothing says “I’ve more money than sense” like covering everything in gold leaf.

If you spray paint everything in gold, nobody will know that it’s all plastic (said no person with actual taste)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:53:57pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:55:55pm

If the universe is just, John Lewis will live long enough to see Trump cuffed and stuffed into the back of a patrol car the moment he leaves the White House gates.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:56:48pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

Pictures of the dining room at Chatsworth House Derbyshire England.
images.search.yahoo.com

I think this looks much better. :)

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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2019 • 4:58:50pm

re: #176 PhillyPretzel

Pictures of the dining room at Chatsworth House Darbyshire England.
images.search.yahoo.com

I think this looks much better. :)

Ayep, I’d totally agree. Gold leaf and gold accents in general work well when they’re used sparingly, more to highlight the decor than to dominate it. When you have the latter, the obvious conclusion is that you’re trying to flaunt wealth that you don’t have.

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jaunte  Dec 29, 2019 • 5:00:53pm

re: #167 mmmirele

I think Versailles has more class, plus a shitton more history.

Plus Versailles looks like a French palace on the outside. Mar-a-Lago is some kind of Hollywood Mediterranean fantasy.

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Dread Pirate  Dec 29, 2019 • 5:08:13pm
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jaunte  Dec 29, 2019 • 5:11:15pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 29, 2019 • 5:14:24pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 29, 2019 • 5:15:15pm

re: #180 jaunte

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This is what makes Pelosi’s decision to hold onto the AoI so devastating to the WH’s position, that every passing week brings a new revelation that otherwise would have been swept under the rug by a Senate Repub majority quick to “acquit” Trump.

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Jebediah, RBG  Dec 29, 2019 • 9:01:15pm

re: #175 Targetpractice

If the universe is just, John Lewis will live long enough to see Trump cuffed and stuffed into the back of a patrol car the moment he leaves the White House gates.

If the universe is just, trmp will die in prison after watching Michelle Obama interviewing a hale and hearty John Lewis on the teevee.


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