Amazing Animated Video From Kneebody: “The Balloonist”

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Animated video for “The Balloonist” from Kneebody’s new album ‘Anti-Hero’, out now!
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With a constantly evolving sound that incorporates electronic music, rock and hip-hop, Kneebody has established itself as one of the most forward-looking groups in jazz. Following their groundbreaking 2015 collaboration with IDM innovator Daedelus, the GRAMMY-nominated quintet bring raw energy, churning backbeats, and unrestrained exploration to their latest offering, Anti-Hero.

Ben Wendel (sax), Shane Endsley (trumpet), Kaveh Rastegar (bass), Adam Benjamin (keyboards), Nate Wood (drums)

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Chrysicat  Feb 19, 2020 • 8:42:06pm

Hey, Lawrence O’Donnell, are you aware that you’re basically dragging your coworkers, because it was Chuck Todd and Mariana Atencio that insisted on leaving foreign policy out?

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2020 • 8:50:24pm

The shaded blue is what’s been happening to our local lake since the beginning of the year. It’s been raining pretty steadily since about 3pm today, with a few breaks. It will be interesting to see what the level looks like by Friday:

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Interesting Times  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:00:13pm

So yeah…if you’re wondering how the pundit class is most likely to spin Elizabeth Warren’s debate performance, here you go -_-

*sigh* And Jennifer Rubin was doing so well up till now…

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Dread Pirate  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:05:10pm
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Dread Pirate  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:06:29pm

re: #3 Interesting Times

So yeah…if you’re wondering how the pundit class is most likely to spin Elizabeth Warren’s debate performance, here you go -_-

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*sigh* And Jennifer Rubin was doing so well up till now…

She’s still a Republican.

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Chrysicat  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:06:48pm

Bernie surrogate on there saying that if 30% of the delegates belong to Sanders, we’re obligated to nominate him even though 70% of the party does not want him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:06:58pm

re: #4 Dread Pirate

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He’s not the first.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:07:59pm

re: #6 Chrysicat

Bernie surrogate on there saying that if 30% of the delegates belong to Sanders, we’re obligated to nominate him even though 70% of the party does not want him.

Bernie’s campaign really infuriates me with their sense of entitlement.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:08:26pm

re: #3 Interesting Times

So yeah…if you’re wondering how the pundit class is most likely to spin Elizabeth Warren’s debate performance, here you go -_-

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*sigh* And Jennifer Rubin was doing so well up till now…

There are many great replies to Rubin’s tweet. I’m picking this one:

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:09:27pm

re: #3 Interesting Times

So yeah…if you’re wondering how the pundit class is most likely to spin Elizabeth Warren’s debate performance, here you go -_-

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*sigh* And Jennifer Rubin was doing so well up till now…

Someone in the replies was point out that Warren isn’t near the top of never-Trumpers’ lists.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:20:49pm

re: #9 Belafon

“Dedicated” and “focused” is “mean” and “angry” for men.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:22:13pm
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Belafon  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:24:37pm
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Belafon  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:27:27pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:28:12pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:28:20pm

re: #14 Belafon

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That’s rich.

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BeachDem  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:28:42pm

re: #8 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Bernie’s campaign really infuriates me with their sense of entitlement.

And as Lawrence pointed out, this is the opposite of Bernie’s position in 2016—when he was losing badly, but

Despite badly lagging in the delegate count, Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager told NPR the campaign believes Sanders can and will be the Democratic nominee by winning over superdelegates at the 11th hour.

npr.org

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William Lewis  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:29:03pm

re: #10 Belafon

Someone in the replies was point out that Warren isn’t near the top of never-Trumpers’ lists.

As was pointed out downstairs, she’s essentially even more of a socialist than Bernie without the baggage of being labeled a socialist. The Never Trumpers, even at their best, want a moderate to defeat Trump because they won’t lose as much as they would from a successful Warren presidency. They love the idea of Biden because he won’t do squat, is probably only (health wise) good for one term and they can get back to the business of stealing America without the embarrassment of Trump after that.

Be curious to know how Joe Walsh feels about voting for her… ;)

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BeachDem  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:30:04pm

re: #12 Belafon

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:30:22pm
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Belafon  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:31:53pm

re: #18 William Lewis

Walsh, to his credit, has said it’s not the job of people like him to decide the Democratic nominee, and that everyone should vote for who ever it is. He’s also the only one of the whole group to actually apologize for his actions leading to Trump.

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:33:17pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:33:41pm

re: #17 BeachDem

And as Lawrence pointed out, this is the opposite of Bernie’s position in 2016—when he was losing badly, but

Despite badly lagging in the delegate count, Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager told NPR the campaign believes Sanders can and will be the Democratic nominee by winning over superdelegates at the 11th hour.

npr.org

Exactly. He has a very undemocratic side to him that gets ignored too often. It’s why he’s only getting my vote if he’s the nominee.

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William Lewis  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:36:39pm

re: #21 Belafon

Walsh, to his credit, has said it’s not the job of people like him to decide the Democratic nominee, and that everyone should vote for who ever it is. He’s also the only one of the whole group to actually apologize for his actions leading to Trump.

Actually, I remember that and strangely enough, I believe he will hold his nose and vote for whoever is nominated. I was just curious as to how much nose holding each requires :D

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:38:49pm

re: #24 William Lewis

Actually, I remember that and strangely enough, I believe he will hold his nose and vote for whoever is nominated. I was just curious as to how much nose holding each requires :D

Ha well he is a right winger after all. I’ll give him grudging credit here though. He’s still a dick in a lot of ways but he’s got some political integrity.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:39:26pm

Of course, Bernie took the position that the candidate with the plurality should win because he believes he will be that candidate.

Having the person with the plurality automatically winning is not the way to get a broad based coalition. What if the plurality is only 25%? Whenever there are more than 2 candidates, you can end up with someone who is actually the least favorite of the voters.

The 2019 Chicago mayoral race had 14 candidates; the two that qualified for the runoff had about 17.5% and 16% respectively. So 66% of the voters preferred someone else. It was fortunate that both candidates had substantial credentials — but this is a serious problem in the situation where the candidate has to face someone of another party.

Bernie has his solid base but it’s not enough to win.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:44:05pm

re: #8 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Bernie’s campaign really infuriates me with their sense of entitlement Hostage taking.

FTFY

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 9:50:36pm

re: #27 Scottish Dragon

FTFY

Absolutely and I hate that he gets away with it. He’s not a leader. He’s an empty promiser like Trump.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:02:35pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:04:08pm

re: #29 Ace-o-aces

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Probably thinks Blago will help him win Illinois lol. I can totally see Blagojevich becoming a Trump surrogate either directly or indirectly.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:06:43pm

Bernie comes off more and more as a clone of Jeremy Corbyn.

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SteelPH  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:07:59pm

re: #29 Ace-o-aces

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Trump.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:08:18pm

re: #30 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Probably thinks Blago will help him win Illinois lol. I can totally see Blagojevich becoming a Trump surrogate either directly or indirectly.

Oh god, I only hope he’s getting campaign advise that’s that bad. Seriously, nobody likes Balgo. I voted for him twice, but now I wouldn’t cross the street to piss on him.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:12:47pm

re: #33 Ace-o-aces

Oh god, I only hope he’s getting campaign advise that’s that bad. Seriously, nobody likes Balgo. I voted for him twice, but now I wouldn’t cross the street to piss on him.

Yeah I have a friend from Illinois who is amused by all the Republicans who used Blago to act like every Illinois Dem was ultra corrupt and now Trump does this. I’m not joking though. Trump really seems to think Blago was wronged. I can totally see him doing this.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:13:58pm

re: #32 SteelPH

Trump.

The funniest part to me is Trump lying about a lifelong Republican Comey prosecuting Democratic Blagojevich.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:14:28pm

re: #29 Ace-o-aces

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I think it just adds to keeping people like Stone and Flynn in line, reinforces the message that friends of Trump get looked after.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:21:22pm

re: #31 Joe Bacon 🌹

Bernie comes off more and more as a clone of Jeremy Corbyn.

It’s a good analogy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:27:41pm

re: #31 Joe Bacon 🌹

And we know how well that worked out for the British.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:32:18pm

re: #35 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The funniest part to me is Trump lying about a lifelong Republican Comey prosecuting Democratic Blagojevich.

It’s an alternative fact. Truth is irrelevant to Trump — he doesn’t care about anything except a good story to entertain his base and infuriate those who care about the difference between truth and lies.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:34:15pm

When Anymouse isn’t around, the overnight shift is very quiet. Teleskiguy always contributed to late night discussion too.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:34:53pm

Mike Pence has nothing to do with SpaceX.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:49:45pm

re: #39 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s an alternative fact. Truth is irrelevant to Trump — he doesn’t care about anything except a good story to entertain his base and infuriate those who care about the difference between truth and lies.

You’re not following me. I know. I’m saying I find it so absurd.

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BeachDem  Feb 19, 2020 • 10:54:27pm

re: #35 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The funniest part to me is Trump lying about a lifelong Republican Comey prosecuting Democratic Blagojevich.

Not only was Comey working in the private sector when Blago was tried, asshole Trump conflated Patrick Fitzgerald to “Fitzpatrick” as well. Really had a solid handle on things.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 19, 2020 • 11:03:58pm

re: #43 BeachDem

Not only was Comey working in the private sector when Blago was tried, asshole Trump conflated Patrick Fitzgerald to “Fitzpatrick” as well. Really had a solid handle on things.

It’s astounding how uninformed he is yet thinks he knows all.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 19, 2020 • 11:13:22pm

re: #40 Hecuba’s daughter

When Anymouse isn’t around, the overnight shift is very quiet. Teleskiguy always contributed to late night discussion too.

I’m afraid to ask, because I totally missed hearing what happened to Charlie when we were wondering where he was a few weeks back…

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Dread Pirate  Feb 19, 2020 • 11:16:55pm

re: #45 GlutenFreeJesus

Still no response from family, no information in searches.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 19, 2020 • 11:22:29pm

re: #46 Dread Pirate

Sigh. I hope he’s just taking a break from things and loving his life on the slopes like he deserves.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:09:57am

There was a mass shooting incident in Germany overnight - and it’s looking increasingly like the suspect was a German RWNJ. And worse yet, possibly a QAnon nutburger as well.

Federal prosecutors said Thursday they are taking charge of the investigating into a mass shooting in the German city of Hanau that left 11 people dead, including the suspect, amid reports that he may have had a far-right motive.

The Federal Prosecutors Office in Karlsruhe, which handles serious crimes, said it planned to hold a news conference later Thursday.

German news agency dpa reported that police are examining a video the suspect may have posted online several days earlier in which he details a conspiracy theory about child abuse in the United States. The authenticity of the video couldn’t immediately be verified.

Nine people were killed at two hookah bars overnight. Police later said they found the bodies of the suspected shooter and another person at a house not far from the second bar.

That part I emphasized from the AP article sure does sound a whole lot like the conspiracy theory at the heart of the QAnon bullshit.

apnews.com

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Dread Pirate  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:17:30am

YouTube

The F-4 Phantom was the F-35 Lightning II of it’s time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:28:40am

German authorities recently busted a large White Supremacist ring that was planning attacks on mosques and certain leftist politicians with the hopes of precipitating some sort of civil war.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:43:19am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

German authorities recently busted a large White Supremacist ring that was planning attacks on mosques and certain leftist politicians with the hopes of precipitating some sort of civil war.

I read that a few days back - they busted about 12 people but IIRC, they said there were additional suspects they were searching for.

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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:56:39am

re: #51 Dr Lizardo

I read that a few days back - they busted about 12 people but IIRC, they said there were additional suspects they were searching for.

It sounds like they “found” one. 😡

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Ming5000  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:00:34am

re: #29 Ace-o-aces

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This, from Jill Wine-Banks, put Trump’s pardons of criminals in perspective for me:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:33:41am

re: #53 Ming5000

and the message is also that once you reach a certain level of public office, you can always dismiss charges and even convictions as a “political witch hunt”.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:52:50am

re: #3 Interesting Times

So yeah…if you’re wondering how the pundit class is most likely to spin Elizabeth Warren’s debate performance, here you go -_-

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*sigh* And Jennifer Rubin was doing so well up till now

Rubin, while saying the right words now, gave us what we have now. Same with Walsh, Rick Wilson, et fucking al. No matter what words they say about trump, they are still toxic assholes who will revert to complete toxic assholes as soon as a Dem is elected.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:06:34am

re: #4 Dread Pirate

Well this has to be what should be the most unnecessary statement of all time.

“The rights secured in our Constitution carry with them certain responsibilities. When it comes to the First Amendment, that responsibility includes the obligation not to threaten to kill others,” U.S Attorney James Kennedy said in a statement.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:13:23am

re: #9 Belafon

There are many great replies to Rubin’s tweet. I’m picking this one:

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:14:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:14:48am

re: #56 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

“The rights secured in our Constitution carry with them certain responsibilities. When it comes to the First Amendment, that responsibility includes the obligation not to threaten to kill others,” U.S Attorney James Kennedy said in a statement..

Does it include the right to yell “Theater!” at a crowded fire?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:15:50am

re: #17 BeachDem

And as Lawrence pointed out, this is the opposite of Bernie’s position in 2016—when he was losing badly, but

Despite badly lagging in the delegate count, Bernie Sanders’ campaign manager told NPR the campaign believes Sanders can and will be the Democratic nominee by winning over superdelegates at the 11th hour.

npr.org

Democracy and elections are for pikers. Sanders is trump on the left, without a doubt. He’s a king in his (and his followers) own mind.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:16:45am

re: #18 William Lewis

Be curious to know how Joe Walsh feels about voting for her… ;)

I believe Walsh said he would vote for the Dem no matter who.

I could be wrong but I think I saw a tweet on that last week.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:20:00am

re: #3 Interesting Times

We need a mean and angry candidate to go after the meaner and angrier Bigot in the White House. I’m good with a President Warren.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:21:34am

re: #48 Dr Lizardo

German news agency dpa reported that police are examining a video the suspect may have posted online several days earlier in which he details a conspiracy theory about child abuse in the United States. The authenticity of the video couldn’t immediately be verified.

So shooting Germans is going to help that? How does that work?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:22:45am

re: #62 Patricia Kayden

We need a mean and angry candidate to go after the meaner and angrier Bigot in the White House. I’m good with a President Warren.

She is my first choice among the current Democratic candidates as well. I hope she will be able to negotiate a truce with Putin…the “Warren Peace”

ha ha

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:23:39am

re: #62 Patricia Kayden

We need a mean and angry candidate to go after the meaner and angrier Bigot in the White House. I’m good with a President Warren.

That’s what I said last night. Our candidate (and the veep) have to be able to dish it out back to the toddler in the WH now. And really, really piss him off.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:25:02am

re: #63 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

So shooting Germans is going to help that? How does that work?

Forget it, Jake Yeah Sure WhatEVs; it’s Chinatown Conspiracytown.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:29:19am

re: #63 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

So shooting Germans is going to help that? How does that work?

To him , they were not Germans, they were Kurds, Ausländer

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:41:55am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

To him , they were not Germans, they were Kurds, Ausländer

True enough, sad to say.

What raises an eyebrow on my part is that if this is indeed QAnon related, then the QAnon madness is now (at least partially) inspiring acts of terrorism outside the United States and that’s a worrying development.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:47:05am

Okeydokey, off to work. Back later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:50:48am

re: #68 Dr Lizardo

True enough, sad to say.

What raises an eyebrow on my part is that if this is indeed QAnon related, then the QAnon madness is now (at least partially) inspiring acts of terrorism outside the United States and that’s a worrying development.

German Right-Wingers were also fans and admirers of Lyndon LaRouche, back before the days of QAnon and Internet CTs

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:55:43am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:57:42am

WOW.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:58:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2020 • 5:02:19am

re: #73 Patricia Kayden

Bernie’s supporter base is solid, loyal, and maybe 30%.

That does make him a sort of mirror image of Trump…

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 5:08:01am

re: #73 Patricia Kayden

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I would have to go back through yesterday’s thread here, but I believe she did criticize him.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 5:09:36am

re: #73 Patricia Kayden

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There is a constant 30% of nuts…both left and right.

Thankfully, most of our nuts on the left are not even in the same ballpark as those on the right.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 5:29:34am

He’s trying:

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 5:30:04am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 5:32:16am

re: #77 Belafon

He’s trying:

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Okay Bloomer

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 20, 2020 • 5:35:56am

re: #71 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Have they ever gotten a conviction out of anything?

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 5:48:03am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 5:49:26am

Bloomberg after the debate…

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jeffreyw  Feb 20, 2020 • 5:49:37am

Good morning!

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:01:14am

re: #53 Ming5000

All of Trump’s pardons, including Arpaio and D’Souza are about how those pardons help Trump personally. How does he benefit?

Arpario and D’Souza: value signaling to his racist/misogynistic/xenophobic base that he’s got their backs.

Kardashian backed pardons: hoping Kardashian/Kanye can shift voters to back Trump.

Sports-related pardons: hoping those backing those pardons back Trump.

Blago: help Trump as a surrogate

Milken, etc. convicted of fraud/corruption: Signal that corruption and fraud are no longer serious crimes as long as Trump’s doing the corruption. Value signaling to GOP that it’s okay to be corrupt as fuck.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:05:18am

re: #84 lawhawk

general signal to the base that these were all “witch hunts” motivated by political revenge or envy of successful businessmen

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:08:28am

When you Jesusbot relatives post this on Facebook…you realize how brainwashed they are…

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:09:28am

re: #84 lawhawk

All of Trump’s pardons, including Arpaio and D’Souza are about how those pardons help Trump personally. How does he benefit?

Kardashian backed pardons: hoping Kardashian/Kanye can shift voters to back Trump.

I don’t think he expects to get any black voters out of that one.

But it gave him a chance to ogle Kim up close, and Obama called Kanye a jackass. That’s reason enough.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:10:08am

re: #79 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Okay Bloomer

WINS THE INTERNET!

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:10:45am
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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:10:56am

re: #86 Joe Bacon 🌹

When you Jesusbot relatives post this on Facebook…you realize how brainwashed they are…

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:11:26am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:12:02am

re: #80 GlutenFreeJesus

Have they ever gotten a conviction out of anything?

I don’t know. But they do amazing work.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:14:50am

re: #88 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

WINS THE INTERNET!

Seriously screw him and Bernie both.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:15:02am

re: #86 Joe Bacon 🌹

That’s not “just” brainwashing. It’s willful ignorance and addiction to hate. There’s a group called Life After Hate that helps former skinheads and neo nazis leave that life and try to make amends. Lots of those stories talk about the rush from being part of a group that reinforces hatred. That hit is addictive and it’s what makes young people especially vulnerable. People leave for different reasons, but the drawing in of those people in the first place is pretty much the same. These groups, not just nazis, use hate of the other with people who are struggling with anything from poverty to PTSD and it gives them something to blame. It feels good or it wouldn’t work.

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:16:45am

If I was advising Bloomberg, I’d tell him to release his taxes QUICKLY.

It doesn’t have to be the entire return with all the schedules; just a front page, and a list of his donations. Since most of his net worth is unrealized capital gains, he could donate more than his taxable income every year and his net worth would still keep going up.

He could give away 10% of his net worth every year for the rest of his life and not even come close to running out of money.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:16:56am

Gonna be interesting.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:17:00am

Trump pardoned Blago for one simple reason. He wants to establish that the system is unfair and he has a duty to fix it.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:17:26am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:17:38am

re: #97 I Would Prefer Not To

Trump pardoned Blago for one simple reason. He wants to establish that the system is unfair and he has a duty to fix it.

Weird guy to use tho.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:18:28am

re: #86 Joe Bacon 🌹

When you Jesusbot relatives post this on Facebook…you realize how brainwashed they are…

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Yep. And I love the typo at the end. Nice touch.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:20:10am

re: #99 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Weird guy to use tho.

It’s trump, the details don’t matter. (plus they talked about him on fox news).

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:20:37am

The delayed and rushed impeachment, that had too many witnesses and not enough.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:21:26am

re: #101 I Would Prefer Not To

Details are for the little people. That and taxes, and laws.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:22:52am

When did we become this stupid?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:23:20am

re: #97 I Would Prefer Not To

Trump pardoned Blago for one simple reason. He wants to establish that the system is unfair towards rich white guys who get caught and he has a duty to fix it.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:30:04am

re: #101 I Would Prefer Not To

It’s trump, the details don’t matter. (plus they talked about him on fox news).

Yeah I get that. It’s just I remember Blago being the poster boy of “Chicago Democrat Party corruption.” Goes to show you how easy it is to influence him.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:30:20am

re: #99 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Weird guy to use tho.

The fact he tried to sell Obama’s senate seat was probably enough reason for Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:31:17am

re: #107 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The fact he tried to sell Obama’s senate seat was probably enough reason for Trump.

True enough.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:32:00am

re: #104 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Is it wrong of me to hope a very strong wind comes whipping right through that dumb ass banner and carries the idiots holding it with it?

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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:33:24am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:39:42am

re: #110 Chrysicat

Noticed while futzing around on Wiki that Montana, which used to HAVE two Representatives, appears to be in line to be returning to that status after the Census.

Historians:
Is it the first state to gain back a once-lost seat? Or has this happened before?

I cannot imagine that it has not happened before

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:40:47am

Anyway, I think Warren killed Bloomberg dead last night. His entry in the race, ostensibly to stop Sanders, ironically makes Sanders nomination more likely as Bloomberg is just taking support from Biden, Buttigeig and Klobuchar. I know on this board there is A LOT of dislike of Sanders, but if he goes into the convention with a substantial lead in delegates but loses the nomination, I think that will be a disaster. Most Democrats, who aren’t on twitter, like Sanders, and I think he could generate record turnout from young voters to make up for the swing voters the GOP will frighten with the scary socialist! Campaign they will run. If I had my druthers though, I would prefer Warren; it would be nice if her performance last night springboards her campaign into a strong showing in Nv.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:41:56am
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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:42:23am

re: #111 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I cannot imagine that it has not happened before

Well, yes, as noted, Massachusetts and Virginia once their rumps got big enough to overcome the loss of districts to their “daughter” states.

But other than that, usually a state that shrinks in proportion doesn’t go back up the ladder.

Montana now has over a million people. Which you don’t think is much but that makes it the state with the most people in each congressional district by 200k—over Colorado.

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Interesting Times  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:44:58am

re: #91 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:45:26am

re: #114 Chrysicat

Well, yes, as noted, Massachusetts and Virginia once their rumps got big enough to overcome the loss of districts to their “daughter” states.

But other than that, usually a state that shrinks in proportion doesn’t go back up the ladder.

Montana now has over a million people. Which you don’t think is much but that makes it the state with the most people in each congressional district by 200k—over Colorado.

We really need to expand the size of the House; for one thing it would dilute the rural white vote in the EC, because most new districts would go to big states.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:49:34am

re: #116 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I have a dumb question. Let’s say the house were to expand by 100 members. Or even 50. Would the current House building hold those extra reps and staff? If not, where would they meet? I know, it’s not the important detail here, but my mom brain wonders.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:58:18am

Roger Stone get pardoned yet?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:59:39am

re: #118 Joe Bacon 🌹

Roger Stone get pardoned yet?

Give it 5 minutes after sentencing.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 6:59:58am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:00:15am

A quick story about my morning

Yesterday i said i’d be in late this morning.
I end up getting up 30 minutes before the alarm anyway
Had a nice 2 mile run.
Then get in the car, fat dumb and happy. and early.
Ten minutes in and i cant place that smell.
Oh wait, dog shit.
Damn. i stop and look and it’s all over my shoes, the pedals, mat, etc.
So i turn around and head for home. No longer dumb nor happy, but still overweight (another story for another time).

of course Im in work clothes. now bending, twisting, trying not to build up an early humid florida sweat. Using a toothbrush to clean the gas and brake. Because, grooved pedals right?

The floor mat will need a good scrubbing this weekend. certainly not at 8pm when i get home.

And the shoes. Waffle tread, what else would you expect?
At least it stayed off the pants.

So i get all squared away with yeomans help from mrs dm and i’m off again.
Its a 2 hour ride so plenty of time to cool off and get it out of my system. and i did.
no hate, no revenge, annoyance, no disbelief, just…well i dont expect much from people anyway.

And only 30 minutes late to the job.

What an anonymous, sort of nasty thing to do.
Yes, nasty and those who do it, know it.
After all you bring your dog to my lawn, not your own.
And you have to let the dog go right by the mailbox - not out in no mans land.
so you have some idea of the potential damage and inconvenience you can do.

No class, no consideration
Just selfish.

there’s a special corner of heaven for these folks.
eternally polishing my harley’s blued exhaust pipes, post ride.

be a mensch. clean up after your dog.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:04:48am

Over/under on Stone’s prison sentence: 48 months.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:05:41am

re: #122 Ace Rothstein

Over/under on Stone’s prison sentence: 48 months.

72 for me.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:06:16am

re: #121 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Let’s hope it’s just dog doo

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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:07:57am
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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:08:59am

re: #123 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

72 for me.

Probation.

At the very least, that’s what the Injustice Department will recommend.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:09:49am
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:10:06am

re: #126 Chrysicat

Probation.

At the very least, that’s what the Injustice No Justice Department will recommend.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:11:03am

I like this new NSFW (No Shits, Fucks, Warren)

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:14:14am

re: #122 Ace Rothstein

Over/under on Stone’s prison sentence: 48 months.

on the sentence maybe

not a day in prison

pardon’s probably already signed

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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:15:27am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:21:56am

al kooper does (did) adrian belew

YouTube

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:22:01am

When Warren gets mean and angry its inappropriate but when Trump does it, it’s “fiery” and “defiant”.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:27:21am
“While 14,000 clemency petitions sit unaddressed at the Justice Department’s Office of the Pardon Attorney, Mr. Trump eagerly granted relief to a former football team owner who hosted a pre-inauguration party, a onetime contestant on “Celebrity Apprentice” and an infamous investor championed both by Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, and by the billionaire who hosted a $10 million fund-raiser for Mr. Trump just last weekend.”

and im complaining about some dog crap on my shoes

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:29:07am
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:33:55am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:34:18am

So…….

How long before Amy Bails? She’s just burning cash now.

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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:37:39am

He has no fucking idea what the “Logan Act” even is.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:39:02am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:39:20am

re: #138 The Pie Overlord!

He has no fucking idea what the “Logan Act” even is.

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Or that no one has ever faced “serious ramifications” as a result of it.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:40:27am
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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:42:49am
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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:44:20am
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:44:29am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:46:32am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:48:29am

re: #144 The Pie Overlord!

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His whining is so pathetic

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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:49:57am

re: #63 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

So shooting Germans is going to help that? How does that work?

In his “mind” he wasn’t shooting Germans, he was shooting “Untermenschen”.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:50:13am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:51:44am

re: #133 Eclectic Cyborg

When Warren gets mean and angry its inappropriate but when Trump does it, it’s “fiery” and “defiant”.

She’s a woman…she’s shrill. Only applies to women.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 7:53:03am
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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:05:27am

re: #141 jaunte

DC Black Tours.That guy is always parading right behind Stone. And they all seem oblivious to all of it.

The whole thing is a shitshow.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:06:15am
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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:06:15am
How eight crew members on board the Confederate H.L. Hunley submarine were killed by their OWN torpedo after they sank a Union warship in 1864

The theory is that they died nearly instantly from the shock of the explosion.

dailymail.co.uk

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:10:13am

re: #152 jaunte

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C’mon judge, just wheel in the guillotine already and let’s get this thing over with.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:11:44am
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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:12:36am

“I CAN’T DISCLOSE WHO WROTE THE MEMO I SIGNED.”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:15:06am

re: #152 jaunte

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BigPapa  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:15:25am

I’m really hoping Judge Amy goes full Dracarys on that shitstain of a human.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:16:13am

re: #156 jaunte

“I CAN’T DISCLOSE WHO WROTE THE MEMO I SIGNED.”

He didn’t invoke Jesus? I’m shocked!

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mmmirele  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:17:25am

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:18:11am

OMFG and GTFO.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:19:45am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:21:18am
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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:22:59am

re: #101 I Would Prefer Not To

And he was on The Apprentice.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:23:24am

re: #163 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

So, at this point, we’re looking at an upper bound of just over 7 years.

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retired cynic  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:23:48am

LOL! It’s the hot pink ankle bracelets that got me. Story of Chris Cantwell, the crying Nazi.

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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:25:29am

re: #112 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Shouty Pointy is going to win the nomination. The R’s will call him a commie, and he will lose ever state.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:26:08am

Barr will not resign.

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BeachDem  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:27:32am

re: #153 Shropshire Slasher

The theory is that they died nearly instantly from the shock of the explosion.

dailymail.co.uk

My brother-in-law is obsessed with the Hunley. Every time he comes to visit, we have to go to the old Charleston Navy Base to see what progress they’ve made with it. He has every book and documentary on it. I’ll need to order him this new book.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:28:53am

re: #168 jaunte

Barr will not resign.

Bar cares more about power and politics.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:29:48am

re: #165 lawhawk

So, at this point, we’re looking at an upper bound of just over 7 years.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:30:03am

re: #160 mmmirele

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:30:24am

re: #153 Shropshire Slasher

The theory is that they died nearly instantly from the shock of the explosion.

dailymail.co.uk

That makes a good deal of sense; from the article sidebar….

The researchers suggest that the crew was killed by a blast of energy as a torpedo was released.

The shockwave of the blast would travel about 4,920 feet (1,500 metres) per second in water, and 1,115 feet (340 m) per second in air. When it crossed the lungs of the crewmen, the shockwave was slowed to about 100 feet (30 m) per second.

While a normal blast shockwave travelling in air should last less than 10 milliseconds, Ms Lance calculates that the Hunley crew’s lungs were subjected to 60 milliseconds or more of trauma. Shear forces would have torn apart the delicate structures where the blood supply meets the air supply, filling the lungs with blood and killing the crew instantly. It is likely they also suffered traumatic brain injuries from being so close to such a large blast.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:30:26am

re: #167 plansbandc

Shouty Pointy is going to win the nomination. The R’s will call him a commie, and he will lose ever state.

I’m not a Bernie fan by any means. But let’s have some reality. Trump isn’t going to beat Bernie in California or New York or Illinois. Or New Jersey. Or Oregon or Washington. Or Hawaii. Or most of New England.

There’s plenty of real reasons to freak out about how bad things are right now without having to invent even worse ones.

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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:32:10am

re: #174 i(m)p(each)sos

Ok, but Trump still wins in a landslide.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:33:55am

Has Stone channeled his inner Brenda Lee and started singing “I’m Sorry”?

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mmmirele  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:34:20am

re: #172 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:34:30am
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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:34:31am

re: #135 Targetpractice

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so how does this play out?
selling a pardon has got to be illegal

trump gonna say he knew nohting about it and rohrabacher promised it on his own?

so rohrabacher admitted to making a promise he couldnt deliver on? why would he do that on his own hook?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:34:57am

re: #176 Joe Bacon 🌹

Has Stone channeled his inner Brenda Lee and started singing “I’m Sorry”?

trumpworld means never having to say you’re sorry.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:35:11am

Jared is now in charge of selling indulgences:

The White House is moving to take more direct control over pardons and commutations, with President Trump aiming to limit the role of the Justice Department in the clemency process as he weighs a flurry of additional pardon announcements, according to people familiar with the matter.
…………
The group, essentially an informal task force of at least a half-dozen presidential allies, has been meeting since late last year to discuss a revamped pardon system in the White House. Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and senior adviser, is taking a leading role in the new clemency initiative and has supported the idea of putting the White House more directly in control of the process that in past administrations has been housed in the Justice Department, officials said.
washingtonpost.com

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:37:24am

They never fukkin stop.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:38:23am

Kurt Cobain would be 53 years old today.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:39:35am

re: #183 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Kurt Cobain would be 53 years old today.

Thank you, I officially feel fucking old now.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:40:43am

LOL

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:40:53am

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

Thank you, I officially feel fucking old now.

You and me both, my dude.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:41:55am

re: #185 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

LOL

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So that’s what happened to Milo. SAD!

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:44:23am

re: #175 plansbandc

Ok, but Trump still wins in a landslide.

Win? Maybe.

Landslide? Doubt it.

The “he’s a commie” line is going to appeal primarily to the voters who were going to vote Trump anyway, and they’ve pretty much maxed out at this point.

*if* Bernie can really bring a lot of new young voters out (doubtful) who didn’t show up in 2016, it’s not hard to see him winning in places like Michigan and Wisconsin and Minnesota and Pennsylvania that had very thin margins four years ago.

He could easily win Nevada, NM and maybe even Arizona, and that would be the ballgame right there.

I’m less worried about that than about what effect a Sanders nom would have down the ticket and how he’d function once elected.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:44:46am

re: #185 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

LOL

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Please, Judge! Find Milo in contempt of court!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:46:35am
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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:46:46am

re: #188 i(m)p(each)sos

Win? Maybe.

Landslide? Doubt it.

The “he’s a commie” line is going to appeal primarily to the voters who were going to vote Trump anyway, and they’ve pretty much maxed out at this point.

*if* Bernie can really bring a lot of new young voters out (doubtful) who didn’t show up in 2016, it’s not hard to see him winning in places like Michigan and Wisconsin and Minnesota and Pennsylvania that had very thin margins four years ago.

He could easily win Nevada, NM and maybe even Arizona, and that would be the ballgame right there.

I’m less worried about that than about what effect a Sanders nom would have down the ticket and how he’d function once elected.

A lot of those younger voters brought themselves out in 2018.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:48:27am

re: #188 i(m)p(each)sos

Even in a best-case scenario, where a hypothetical President Sanders gets a Democratic House and Senate to work with, Bernie’s gonna discover real damn quick it’s a whole lot easier to be a backbench rhetorical bomb-thrower as opposed to actually governing and having to compromise, even with your own ostensible allies, in order to get legislation passed.

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BigPapa  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:48:44am

I’m sure Judge Amy will hammer the cretin but I’m sure Trump willl pardon him. Hard to imagine my utter contempt getting lower for him and the Banana Republicans but it’s not reached bottom yet.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:49:42am

re: #186 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

You and me both, my dude.

knock it off, children ;-)

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:49:54am

re: #191 Belafon

And didn’t back Bernie-related candidates; Bernie’s got very short coattails, and that’s a worrying concern. We need to win down-ticket races. We need to hold the House and retake the Senate.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:51:16am

re: #193 BigPapa

I’m sure Judge Amy will hammer the cretin but I’m sure Trump willl pardon him. Hard to imagine my utter contempt getting lower for him and the Banana Republicans but it’s not reached bottom yet.

as i said above
the sharpie ink is dry
trump has already pardoned stone, but for the announcement.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:51:32am

re: #195 lawhawk

And didn’t back Bernie-related candidates; Bernie’s got very short coattails, and that’s a worrying concern. We need to win down-ticket races. We need to hold the House and retake the Senate.

I don’t think Bernie has ever emphasized the importance of a strong majority in the legislature. He’s got a lot of my way or the highway in him and for someone who is winning in a crowded field, it’s offputting.

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steve_davis  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:55:25am

re: #90 sagehen

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it didn’t predict Christians would follow a false prophet. I assure you Episcopalians saw this monorail salesman coming a mile away.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:55:58am

heard this on npr yesterday

“Miami-Dade commissioners unanimously approved renaming the county’s ‘Dixie’ highways after Harriet Tubman, replacing a name branded as celebrating a racist legacy with the name of a legendary liberator of Americans subjected to slavery,” the Miami Herald reports.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 8:59:34am

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

Even in a best-case scenario, where a hypothetical President Sanders gets a Democratic House and Senate to work with, Bernie’s gonna discover real damn quick it’s a whole lot easier to be a backbench rhetorical bomb-thrower as opposed to actually governing and having to compromise, even with your own ostensible allies, in order to get legislation passed.

But Trump won’t be in office.

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steve_davis  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:02:00am

Put some dark shoes on, John!! Jesus, who doesn’t learn by third grade not to wear brown shoes with a black suit?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:02:37am

re: #199 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

heard this on npr yesterday

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:02:40am

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

Thank you, I officially feel fucking old now.

Bill Clinton is 5 years younger than Bernie Sanders.

Does that help?

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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:04:14am
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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:04:51am

The only way the Bern has a chance is if young people vote in unprecedented and ridiculous numbers.

The commie strategy will work tremendously well on moderates and undecideds, not just Trump supporters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:05:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:07:08am
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The Pie Overlord!  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:08:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:09:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:11:03am

meanwhile in Kentucky

*SPIT*

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:11:05am

Yeah but even if Warren was a bit angry, so fucking what??

IT’S TIME TO GET ANGRY ABOUT TRUMP AND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THIS COUNTRY!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:11:51am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:11:53am

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

And of course it will be immediately blocked by a Federal Judge and taxpayer dollars will be wasted defending this mess.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:15:47am

Trumpers are really digging in. It’s now impossible to get them to admit any wrongdoing at all on the part of Trump.

What a dead end our society has entered.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:16:14am

Trump dictated it. Has to be.

If that comes out, then you’ll see an even deeper level of anger on the part of Federal judges

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:17:16am

re: #214 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Trumpers are really digging in. It’s now impossible to get them to admit any wrongdoing at all on the part of Trump.

What a dead end our society has entered.

But, as we saw with Dubya, if Trump ends up leading the GOP to disaster this November, they’ll throw him under the bus in the blink of an eye.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:17:23am

re: #215 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Trump dictated it. Has to be.

If that comes out, then you’ll see an even deeper level of anger on the part of Federal judges

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Why Trump? Why not Barr? Or was it totally illiterate?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:17:25am

But WHY can’t he disclose it?

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:17:27am
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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:18:01am

re: #215 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Trump dictated it. Has to be.

If that comes out, then you’ll see an even deeper level of anger on the part of Federal judges

Then the judge should declare, that without the source, it’s not admissable.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:18:02am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:18:09am

re: #219 jaunte

Also Pompeo: Fuck that stupid NPR reporter.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:18:33am

re: #218 Eclectic Cyborg

But WHY can’t he disclose it?

Can Jackson throw him in jail for contempt for refusing to disclose this information?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:18:52am

re: #215 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Possibly Barr dictated it, following what Trump told him to say.

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BigPapa  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:19:42am

re: #220 Belafon

Then the judge should declare, that without the source, it’s not admissable.

She should Speaker Pelosi it up.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:19:46am

re: #217 Hecuba’s daughter

Why Trump? Why not Barr? Or was it totally illiterate?

Pretty much. There was no law really cited, just a whole bunch of whining, “But you’re MEEEEEEANNNNN!”

Seeing a lot of that kind of whining on Twitter right now.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:21:05am

re: #224 Dr Lizardo

Possibly Barr dictated it, following what Trump told him to say.

To me, it read a lot like a legal version of that medical report that Trump dictated to his doctor. No basis in reality, just the venting of an outraged toxic narcissist, screaming and stamping his feet at the thought that he or anyone in his orbit, should ever have to suffer the consequences of his actions…

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:21:18am

re: #226 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Pretty much. There was no law really cited, just a whole bunch of whining, “But you’re MEEEEEEANNNNN!”

Seeing a lot of that kind of whining on Twitter right now.

LOL - so the Trumpites are resorting to “You’re a mean old poopyhead!!”

Like a goddamn three-year-old.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:22:06am

Trump is probably right this moment demanding Barr find him a way to fire Jackson.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:23:43am
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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:23:45am

re: #219 jaunte

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How dare China expel a Rupert Murdoch employed reporter!

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:24:05am

re: #218 Eclectic Cyborg

But WHY can’t he disclose it?

Royal privilege obviously.

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b.d. (We're gonna win)  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:25:14am

re: #230 jaunte

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Sadly, this sentencing hearing will last longer than his served sentence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:25:26am
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:27:10am

re: #228 Dr Lizardo

LOL - so the Trumpites are resorting to “You’re a mean old poopyhead!!”

Like a goddamn three-year-old.

Just like trump.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:27:24am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t mind her acting like an adult.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:27:33am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:27:34am

The need for drama to sell “news” is going to reap so much badness.

Cilizza is at it again:

Stopping Bernie Sanders just got a lot harder

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:30:58am
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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:31:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:33:50am
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:34:35am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A fucking slap on the wrist.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:35:29am

3.5 years and $20g

He got off easy.
Trump will pardon tomorrow I bet.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:35:50am

re: #242 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

A fucking slap on the wrist.

none of which he will serve anyway…so there’s that.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:36:25am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s beyond fucking disappointing.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:36:27am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Three years and some change.

It’s better than nothing. Most likely, Trump will almost certainly pardon him, but even if he didn’t, Stone could probably get early release for good behavior after serving, what, half his sentence?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:36:55am

re: #122 Ace Rothstein

Over/under on Stone’s prison sentence: 48 months.

That was pretty close!

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:37:24am

re: #246 Dr Lizardo

for good behavior

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:37:28am

re: #246 Dr Lizardo

Three years and some change.

It’s better than nothing. Most likely, Trump will almost certainly pardon him, but even if he didn’t, Stone could probably get early release for good behavior after serving, what, half his sentence?

Not from federal prison.

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:37:29am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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that’s slightly longer than Michael Cohen.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:38:13am

re: #249 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Not from federal prison.

Ah, OK.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:38:19am

So let me get this straight, sentencing guidelines had a minimum 70 months and she whacked it down to half of that? She ripped him several new ones, but then lamented that the guidelines were too harsh?

FFS, what a joke.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:38:31am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:38:34am

re: #242 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

A fucking slap on the wrist.

Not when you are 67. Trump will pardon him anyway, most likely.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:38:49am

When you cannot see your own nose on your own face.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:39:01am

Odds on a pardon coming later today?

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:39:43am

re: #244 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

none of which he will serve anyway…so there’s that.

More than likely.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:40:03am

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

Like this great scene:

GoodFellas “In prison, dinner was always a big thing” scene

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:40:30am

The small voice of optimism at the back of my head wants to believe she handed down such a sentence as to box Trump in when he pardon’s Stone, but I think it’s more likely that she just wanted to “send a message” to the DOJ than to Trump.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:40:32am

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump is probably right this moment demanding Barr find him a way to fire Jackson.

I read today that Trump has asked if he can get rid of judges.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:41:44am

re: #260 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I read today that Trump has asked if he can get rid of judges.

I believe it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:42:03am

re: #256 Eclectic Cyborg

Odds on a pardon coming later today?

A tweet could come at any moment. I think someone may prevail on Trump to wait a little so its not quite so sordid.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:42:51am

he’s still fixated on Bloomberg

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:43:59am

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s still fixated on Bloomberg

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It’s amazing how little he actually works. Just sits on his ass and tweets.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:44:46am

re: #262 NO SMOCKING GUN!

A tweet could come at any moment. I think someone may prevail on Trump to wait a little so its not quite so sordid.

To the base, “sordid” is a feature, not a bug. They admire it, as they do Trump’s arrogance, crudeness and hypocrisy.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:47:37am

The idea that a short sentence will do anything to stop Trump or make pardon from him look worse is rather ridiculous. It’s rather wishful thinking by this point to think that the judge accomplished much more than grandstanding on excessive sentencing guidelines, a position they only ever seem to care about publicly when the defendant is rich and/or famous.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:50:49am
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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:52:48am

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

he’s still fixated on Bloomberg

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Obama also had a hideous performance in his first 2012 debate. Then he studied up and prepared, and did much better the next time.

I retain hope; Bloomberg is still my 2nd choice (after Klobuchar, who also did poorly last night).

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:54:31am
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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:54:38am
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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:55:07am

re: #267 lawhawk

If he isn’t pardoned, what’s the earliest he can get out with good behavior, etc., etc.?

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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:55:25am

Bloomberg disqualified himself for me by calling a trans person “it” and a man in a dress. He’s a bigot.

I really do not want to swap bigot for bigot.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:57:26am

re: #272 plansbandc

Bloomberg disqualified himself for me by call trans person “it” and a man in a dress. He’s a bigot.

I really do not want to swag bigot for bigot.

Yeah, that sort of shit is right out of the playbook of Ben Shapiro.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:59:38am

Poor in America: “I feel the sentencing guidelines here are excessive, but they’re the law, so here’s 5 years for pot possession.”

Rich in America: “It is just outrageous that the sentencing guidelines are so excessive in this case. Instead of the required 20 years for extortion, I’ll give you 2 years with a year’s probation afterward, as a way of showing my disdain for the way the laws are written.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 9:59:40am

re: #269 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Hey Paula!

Does THE BIG G look like Jim Nabors, Clint Eastwood or William Shatner?

Inquiring minds want to know!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:00:21am

re: #270 Targetpractice

Or large scale theft by wealthy white businessmen.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:05:35am
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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:06:41am

re: #277 Charles Johnson

“Yay, everyone expects me to do it, so cool.”

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:07:31am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:10:59am

ACTIVIST JUDGES!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:11:04am

re: #277 Charles Johnson

Trump is not a madman; he is uncontrollable and corrupt — like every mob boss. And his political party is equally corrupt. McConnell is exactly the same as Trump with two differences: he doesn’t tweet and he is not as bombastic when he undermines the rule of law.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:16:37am

Berners are really going to to all they can to ratfuck this election:

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:17:16am

Is “economically inactive” the new phrasing for “work-shy”?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:18:29am

re: #282 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Berners are really going to to all they can to ratfuck this election:

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How many are actual Berners and how many are Russian bots?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:19:01am

re: #283 Sherlock Hound

Is “economically inactive” the new phrasing for “work-shy”?

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It’s new phrasing for “lazy moochers”

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:20:13am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s new phrasing for “lazy moochers”

“Welfare queens” and “young bucks.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:20:15am

re: #285 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s new phrasing for “lazy moochers”

Isn’t it the 47% that Romney castigated in his closed-door fundraiser?

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:21:33am

re: #282 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Berners are really going to to all they can to ratfuck this election:

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To discuss policy differences, you first have to actually put forward some actual policies.

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Sherlock Hound  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:22:31am

re: #287 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t it the 47% that Romney castigated in his closed-door fundraiser?

The “takers”. Not many people know that Romney’s chief-of-staff floated this in a speech in Massachusetts, which Romney pretended to disavow.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:28:22am

The Tories are basically going over the same ground that their counterparts in the US have already tread. Look for talk in the near future about providing “incentives” to those who are “economically inactive” to take jobs through proposed cuts to benefits programs, i.e. exploiting wingnut sentiment that anybody who’s “on the dole” is a lazy slug collecting money while doing nothing. And when that fails to shift those “millions” into the job market, next will come suggestions about “hiring out” prisoners to private companies to “earn their keep.”

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:29:47am

re: #288 Targetpractice

To discuss policy differences, you first have to actually put forward some actual policies.

Wait… so you’re saying “political revolution that helps everyone, not donors” is not an actual policy?

You mean it’s just populist gobblygook that means whatever the listener wants it to mean but in actuality is nothing more than bullshit?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:30:19am

re: #290 Targetpractice

Thing is, the Tory party won the last election because Brits were tired of the Brexit fiasco and just wanted it over with. There was not indication that any Thatcher-like policies were desired.

The recent election was all about reactionary reflexes, combined with Corbyn’s marked incompetence.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:31:35am

re: #292 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Thing is, the Tory party won the last election because Brits were tired of the Brexit fiasco and just wanted it over with. There was not indication that any Thatcher-like policies were desired.

The recent election was all about reactionary reflexes, combined with Corbyn’s marked incompetence.

I’d argue that the recent election was more about how Jeremy Corbyn has all the desirability of a slug than whether or not people really want the Tories in power.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:32:05am

re: #292 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Thing is, the Tory party won the last election because Brits were tired of the Brexit fiasco and just wanted it over with. There was not indication that any Thatcher-like policies were desired.

The recent election was all about reactionary reflexes, combined with Corbyn’s marked incompetence.

I think if the Lib Dems or Labour had come out and said “if elected, we’re scrapping Brexit; the vote was too close and the process has shown it will not led to a better future” they might have actually had a chance at winning. But the no position and second referendum fucked them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:32:26am

re: #291 KGxvi

Wait… so you’re saying “political revolution that helps everyone, not donors” is not an actual policy?

You mean it’s just populist gobblygook that means whatever the listener wants it to mean but in actuality is nothing more than bullshit?

But that has proved to be a winning strategy. If you actually provide details, like Warren did, you are damaged in the polls and treated like a non-person. Just shout, promise the impossible, and you too may be elected president.

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ericblair  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:36:37am

re: #293 Targetpractice

I’d argue that the recent election was more about how Jeremy Corbyn has all the desirability of a slug than whether or not people really want the Tories in power.

That was a huge problem, according to Labour people going door to door. The voters would just try to think of Corbyn as leader of the nation and would end up saying hell no.

It also didn’t help that Corbyn tried to ignore Brexit and put together a huge manifesto of goodies that a lot of voters either didn’t believe or figured they’d end up with the bill for it.

But it wasn’t Corbyn’s fault! He Changed the Conversation, you see! And another five years (at least) of majority Tory rule will go by in no time!

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:37:24am

re: #295 Hecuba’s daughter

But that has proved to be a winning strategy. If you actually provide details, like Warren did, you are damaged in the polls and treated like a non-person. Just shout, promise the impossible, and you too may be elected president.

Is “political revolution” really a winning strategy? He lost the nomination to Clinton in 2016. And he’s underperformed his 2016 numbers so far, which suggests that a lot of his support then was simply anti-Clinton rather than pro-Bernie. He’s also technically in second place on the score that matter (delegates) to Buttigeg.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:37:51am

re: #287 Hecuba’s daughter

Isn’t it the 47% that Romney castigated in his closed-door fundraiser?

The Onion had a pretty good take on it.

Romney Apologizes To Nation’s 150 Million ‘Starving, Filthy Beggars’

Seeking to limit the fallout from a videotaped speech in which he asserts 47 percent of Americans “pay no taxes” and do not take “personal responsibility and care for their lives,” Mitt Romney hastily called a press conference today to apologize personally to the “150 million starving, filthy beggars [he] might have offended.”

Saying that he deeply regretted his choice of words at a private $50,000-a-plate fundraising function in May—during which he argued “[his] job is not to worry” about the lower-earning half of the nation’s populace—Romney personally appealed to the country’s “dirt-caked garbage pickers and toothless street urchins” for forgiveness.

“First and foremost, I would like to offer a heartfelt apology to all the whores, junkies, bums, and grime-covered derelicts out there who make up nearly half our nation,” a visibly contrite and solemn Romney said outside a campaign stop at a local high school. “Let me assure you that I in no way meant to offend any of the putrid-smelling, barefoot masses out there. My campaign is not about dividing this nation, but about bringing all sides together—the rich, elegant members of the upper class, as well as the 47 percent who are covered in flies and eat directly from back-alley dumpsters.”

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:38:59am

re: #294 KGxvi

I think if the Lib Dems or Labour had come out and said “if elected, we’re scrapping Brexit; the vote was too close and the process has shown it will not led to a better future” they might have actually had a chance at winning. But the no position and second referendum fucked them.

All Labour had to do was come out and say “No more ‘referendum’ bollocks, the voters have made clear they want to Remain and that is what we will do.” But that couldn’t happen with Corbyn at the helm, trying to talk out of both sides of his mouth while secretly supporting Brexit because he (like Bernie) is every bit opposed to immigration as the Tories are but only because he believes “illegals” are keeping the UK from fully embracing socialism at all levels.

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ericblair  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:41:01am

re: #295 Hecuba’s daughter

But that has proved to be a winning strategy. If you actually provide details, like Warren did, you are damaged in the polls and treated like a non-person. Just shout, promise the impossible, and you too may be elected president.

I think that’s what Harris tried to do. The lesson from 2016 and beyond was that there was no political price to pay for announcing bullshit goals that had no chance of being successfully executed. The trouble is, there’s no price to pay if you’re a shouty old guy, it seems. If you’re not, well, things are more complicated.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:42:34am

Has Tinkerfail Tweeted about his pal Stoney yet?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:44:02am

re: #301 Joe Bacon 🌹

Has Tinkerfail Tweeted about his pal Stoney yet?

He’s probably screaming at the White House staff right now - we’ll have to wait until his temper tantrum winds down before we’ll get a tweet.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:44:32am

Interesting question for this primary season is whether anyone drops out after Nevada or South Carolina, with Super Tuesday being so close. Hell, absentee ballots are already being returned in California and early voting starts on Saturday. If, let’s say, Biden gets crushed in Nevada and then stumbles in South Carolina, why would he drop out before Super Tuesday, when the early vote could possibly help him?

This is a very long way of me saying that while I’m pretty sure I’ve made up my mind, I’m not sure I want to vote early just yet.

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:47:56am

Are pledged delegates known to the campaign in sufficient detail, loyal enough to the candidate, that somebody who walks into the convention with 8% of them can pass them to the Other Contender of their choosing?

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:48:15am

I’m gonna guess that Donny won’t actually issue the pardon until Jackson rules on whether or not to order a new trial because “THE FOREMAN IS A DEMOCRAT!!!” Right now, Stone gets to go home and sleep in his own bed because the sentence is deferred until Jackson rules.

Meanwhile, if my poor ass ever committed 7 felonies including threatening the judge with harm, there’s not a chance in Hell I’d be walking away from the courthouse with a slap on the wrist and a deferred sentence.

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:52:11am

So you’re saying you’re not rich enough for the arrest itself, the humiliation of having to go on trial, and the embarrassment, would not be “sufficient” punishment to serve justice?

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:55:15am

re: #258 Dr Lizardo

“I didn’t put too much onions in, Paul.” (That was Marin Scorcese’s father in that scene, by the way)

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:55:50am

The criminal justice system isn’t rigged. It’s fixed.

It’s fixed to provide those with the means to avoid the kinds of consequences that those without endure on a regular basis. We see it at every step, from the investigation to the prosecution to the plea deal process to the trial, sentencing, and ultimately with the pardon/commutation process.

Speaking of that last bit, it looks like Trump’s going to complete fuck up the entire process that is its own office within the DOJ and instead will look to add that to Jared’s portfolio.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:58:25am

re: #307 Ace Rothstein

“I didn’t put too much onions in, Paul.” (That was Marin Scorcese’s father in that scene, by the way)

It’s such a great little scene. And after seeing it, I tried that trick, cutting the garlic with a razor blade like Paul Sorvino’s character did, and it really worked great.

Thanks, Martin Scorsese!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:58:54am

No Tweets about Stone yet. Trump still attacking Bloomberg.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:59:26am

re: #309 Dr Lizardo

He’s also the old man walking with a cane into the room when Tommy gets whacked.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 10:59:55am

re: #297 KGxvi

Is “political revolution” really a winning strategy? He lost the nomination to Clinton in 2016. And he’s underperformed his 2016 numbers so far, which suggests that a lot of his support then was simply anti-Clinton rather than pro-Bernie. He’s also technically in second place on the score that matter (delegates) to Buttigeg.

Bernie is leading in all the polls, and will continue to do so until the field consolidates, by which time he may be too far in the lead in delegates to catch.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:01:46am

I am praying for Bernie not to be the nominee. I’m not sure he’s healthy enough to survive one term, let alone two.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:01:52am

re: #312 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Bernie will only have about a quarter of the delegates, I expect, far short to get the nomination.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:03:43am

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

I am praying for Bernie not to be the nominee. I’m not sure he’s healthy enough to survive one term, let alone two.

In which case hopefully Stacey Abrahm’s becomes President! (if he has the sense to pick her as VP).

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danarchy  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:05:40am

re: #312 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Bernie is leading in all the polls, and will continue to do so until the field consolidates, by which time he may be too far in the lead in delegates to catch.

Remember all of these are proportional not winner take all so it it going to be very difficult for anyone to build up that substantial of a lead. This thing is going to go damn near to the convention and god forbid it has to be decided by super delegates in a round 2, we’ll never hear the end of it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:06:01am

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

I am praying for Bernie not to be the nominee. I’m not sure he’s healthy enough to survive one term, let alone two.

None of the old guys, if elected, will serve more than one term. It’s their running mate who will be the critical factor.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:06:06am

re: #314 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Bernie will only have about a quarter of the delegates, I expect, far short to get the nomination.

I think he will have a larger percentage than that. Remember, no delegates are awarded to candidates getting less than 15% of the vote, so those above the threshold get a higher % of delegates than their % of the vote.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:07:00am

re: #312 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Bernie is leading in all the polls, and will continue to do so until the field consolidates, by which time he may be too far in the lead in delegates to catch.

Unless he wins enough delegates to take the nomination outright, then I suspect there will be some backroom horse-trading long before the convention to release delegates to support whoever is next-closest on the first ballot. The only reason Bernie refuses to back off “plurality” is because he has to know, between releasing delegates and superdelegates, that there’s no chance he can win the nomination in any way but outright.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:07:34am

re: #317 Hecuba’s daughter

None of the old guys, if elected, will serve more than one term. It’s their running mate who will be the critical factor.

Stacey Abrahms for VP, whoever the nominee is!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:08:53am

re: #319 Targetpractice

Unless he wins enough delegates to take the nomination outright, then I suspect there will be some backroom horse-trading long before the convention to release delegates to support whoever is next-closest on the first ballot. The only reason Bernie refuses to back off “plurality” is because he has to know, between releasing delegates and superdelegates, that there’s no chance he can win the nomination in any way but outright.

If they do that, we will lose, because the large block of Democrats supporting Bernie will be outraged.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:09:49am

re: #318 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I really wonder how many delegates Bernie will get on Super-duper Tuesday. Playing small crowds in IA and NH is different than the high populated states.

California is now part of that Tuesday, and I’ve seen nary a campaign sign or even circulars. The signature vultures for propositions are working all the public venues, but as for the Democratic campaigns? Nothing, nada.

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retired cynic  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:10:50am

Charlie Pierce on Buttigieg: ” I swear, when God handed out smarm, this guy went back for seconds. He even went out of his way to be smarmy towards Walter Mondale.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:11:07am

Even if you hate Bernie, Trump is so much worse. We cannot afford to outrage a huge bloc of Democrats if he has a large lead in delegates then deny him the nomination.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:11:11am

re: #321 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If they do that, we will lose, because the large block of Democrats supporting Bernie will be outraged.

And if we nominate a guy who fell short of the threshold because we’re afraid of his followers, then we deserve to lose.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:11:39am

re: #321 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If they do that, we will lose, because the large block of Democrats supporting Bernie will be outraged.

Scary thought is the Dems will lose either way, as the nation that picked a philandering, bigoted draft-dodger over a policy-wonk Senator certainly will not vote for a communist Jew. And you know the claims of the latter are already printed in the GOP handbook.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:12:28am

Bernie Sanders is our Jeremy Corbyn.

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retired cynic  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:12:57am

Trump Tapped a Former Internet Pest to Be Director of National Intelligence Because Everything Is Normal, Charlie Pierce

The options to avoid this onrushing calamity are limited. Grenell is yet another “acting” official, so the administration* doesn’t have to put Mitch McConnell through the inconvenience of confirming him to the latest job for which Grenell is totally unqualified. To me, the only option is to have the House of Representatives somehow simply refuse to fund the position of DNI until a permanent director is named and confirmed. That’s a pretty high-stakes game of chicken, but really, how long do we all have to pretend this is all normal?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:13:31am

re: #322 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I really wonder how many delegates Bernie will get on Super-duper Tuesday. Playing small crowds in IA and NH is different than the high populated states.

California is now part of that Tuesday, and I’ve seen nary a campaign sign or even circulars. The signature vultures for propositions are working all the public venues, but as for the Democratic campaigns? Nothing, nada.

re: #327 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Bernie Sanders is our Jeremy Corbyn.

No, for two reasons. Bernie is popular, and he isn’t really a socialist.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:13:50am

only the best

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EPR-radar  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:14:17am

re: #301 Joe Bacon 🌹

Has Tinkerfail Tweeted about his pal Stoney yet?

One reform worth considering is simply eliminating the presidential pardon power completely.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:14:24am

re: #330 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Trump never heard of any of them.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:14:25am

re: #329 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No, for two reasons. Bernie is popular, and he isn’t really a socialist.

It’s about public perception and the deafness of the candidate.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:14:52am

The rules of how one wins the nomination were voted upon months ago, every candidate who went into this knew what he or she had to do to win. If Bernie can’t win under those rules, then he needs to GTFO and take his followers with him.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:15:28am

re: #329 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No, for two reasons. Bernie is popular, and he isn’t really a socialist.

Arguing that “democratic socialist” isn’t the same as “socialist” is semantics, something that voters are not going to do when going to the polls in November.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:16:42am

re: #325 Targetpractice

And if we nominate a guy who fell short of the threshold because we’re afraid of his followers, then we deserve to lose.

If you turn off an energized segment of voters to chase Republican voters who aren’t going to vote for you anyway, you deserve to lose. I know people like us dislike Bernie, but most voters know nothing about Bernie trolls on Twitter, and they like Sanders.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:18:15am

re: #334 Targetpractice

The rules of how one wins the nomination were voted upon months ago, every candidate who went into this knew what he or she had to do to win. If Bernie can’t win under those rules, then he needs to GTFO and take his followers with him.

Without Bernie’s followers, Trump gets a second term.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:18:28am

re: #335 Targetpractice

Arguing that “democratic socialist” isn’t the same as “socialist” is semantics, something that voters are not going to do when going to the polls in November.

the r’s are poised to call him a communist
some already have
(not that accuracy matters)

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:19:51am

re: #336 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If you turn off an energized segment of voters to chase Republican voters who aren’t going to vote for you anyway, you deserve to lose. I know people like us dislike Bernie, but most voters know nothing about Bernie trolls on Twitter, and they like Sanders.

Then why are we running any further primaries when he’s so damned popular? Just cancel it all, crown him the nominee, and let’s get to the general election already. I mean, it’s impossible for a candidate’s popularity to wane, right?

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:20:43am

re: #336 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If you turn off an energized segment of voters to chase Republican voters who aren’t going to vote for you anyway, you deserve to lose. I know people like us dislike Bernie, but most voters know nothing about Bernie trolls on Twitter, and they like Sanders.

And what if all the non-Bernie delegates decide Warren is the best choice?

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:20:56am

should make it more difficult
and it wont

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:20:57am

re: #337 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Without Bernie’s followers, Trump gets a second term.

Then we’re fucked either way.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:21:18am
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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:22:44am

Hell, what if Bernie fails to win even a plurality, do we still force ourselves to nominate him because we can’t win without the Berners?

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:23:34am

If/When Trump pardons Stone, the only response should be anger. Not regisgnation. Just anger.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:24:06am

re: #344 Targetpractice

I’m not sure we can rely on past precedence in the era of Trump, for any election process.

Bernie isn’t even technically in the lead, as far as I can tell, right now. Pete is.

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retired cynic  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:24:45am

Moderate Democrats Should Join Forces If They Want to Beat Sanders
Otherwise, he will ride to the nomination without winning over a majority of Democratic voters. by David Edward Burke, Washington Monthly

Unfortunately, Joe Biden, Michael Bloomberg, Pete Buttigieg, and Amy Klobuchar are all playing the Ralph Nader role in the 2020 Democratic primary. Each of them is unintentionally causing something they are trying to prevent—the ascendance of Bernie Sanders as the party’s nominee.

It’s not their fault, really. None of these above candidates could know that in a crowded field—in which Sanders was not the perceived frontrunner—their bids would boost Sanders. But that is what’s happening now. After coming in a close second in the Iowa caucuses and winning the New Hampshire primary, Sanders is surging in the polls and holds a sizable over all of his rivals.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:25:22am

re: #345 Belafon

If/When Trump pardons Stone, the only response should be anger. Not regisgnation. Just anger.

And a resolve to vote him out of the White House and flip the Senate.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:27:12am

Here’s a more accurate assessment of the situation: The Berners are going to walk in any scenario where the party does not bend the knee to him.

If he fails to win a plurality of delegates, they’ll declare the DNC “rigged” the process and walk.

If he wins a plurality but fails to meet the threshold to win on the first ballot, then loses on the second, then they’ll scream it was “rigged” (again) walk away.

If there’s a brokered convention that leads to anything but a Bernie nomination, then they’ll walk.

So to say we can’t win without the Berners is to say that the rules be damned, Bernie must be the nominee if we want to win.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:27:44am

re: #347 retired cynic

I believe that various Democratic wonks knew exactly this would happen. But egos of certain candidates get in the way.

Biden should drop out and campaign for Warren. Bloomberg should just disappear, unless he wants to be official counter-tweeter to Trump, something in which he demonstrates some skill.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:27:58am

re: #330 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

Just three years? Wow. That’s nothing.

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retired cynic  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:28:24am

re: #347 retired cynic

The moderate Democrats running for president are at a similar crossroads now. If Pete, Amy, Joe, and Mike truly believe that any one of them would be a better nominee than Sanders, they must decide whether they’d rather let things play out on their own and watch Sanders win, or set their egos aside and join forces so that one of them has a real chance.

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:30:32am

re: #350 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I believe that various Democratic wonks knew exactly this would happen. But egos of certain candidates get in the way.

Biden should drop out and campaign for Warren. Bloomberg should just disappear, unless he wants to be official counter-tweeter to Trump, something in which he demonstrates some skill.

there will be a lot more clarity after super tuesday

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:31:17am

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Rightwingconspirator  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:32:39am

From the Department of Not Surprised
wired.com

Conservative News Sites Track You Lots More Than Left-Leaning Ones
One analysis of news outlets found that the median popular right-wing site planted 73 percent more cookies than its left-wing counterpart.

“Basically, ad tech is more evolved in right-leaning websites than in left-leaning websites,” says Nishanth Sastry, a senior lecturer in computer science at King’s College London, who along with the other researchers will present the study at the Web Conference in Taiwan in April.

To carry out their study, the researchers started with a list of “partisan” news sites they took from an earlier analysis of the political news spectrum by BuzzFeed News. For that survey, published in 2017, journalists at BuzzFeed manually categorized more than 500 sites by examining their About pages and Facebook pages for explicit mention of their liberal or conservative leaning, and in some cases inferred those political leanings from story content, too. Right-leaning sites ranged from dailycaller.com to realclearpolitics.com to thegatewaypundit.com, while left-leaning ones ranged from salon.com to rawstory.com to alternet.com.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:33:16am

re: #343 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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Didn’t Sanders already promise to release everything? And sorry that Dems are better than the GOP with respect to what disclosures we require from our candidates rather than normalize the Trump playbook.

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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:33:27am

re: #349 Targetpractice

And once again, old pointy shouty has ratfucked the country.

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Dread Pirate  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:34:42am

Turkey has the Russian S-400 missile system, why do they need the US Patriot system?

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:36:22am

re: #354 Patricia Kayden

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Priceless

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:36:44am

re: #349 Targetpractice

Here’s a more accurate assessment of the situation: The Berners are going to walk in any scenario where the party does not bend the knee to him.

If he fails to win a plurality of delegates, they’ll declare the DNC “rigged” the process and walk.

If he wins a plurality but fails to meet the threshold to win on the first ballot, then loses on the second, then they’ll scream it was “rigged” (again) walk away.

If there’s a brokered convention that leads to anything but a Bernie nomination, then they’ll walk.

So to say we can’t win without the Berners is to say that the rules be damned, Bernie must be the nominee if we want to win.

I believe only a few of his supporters are “Bernie or busters” like that, and if he loses fairly, most will vote for a good nominee. But if he has a large lead, and the rest combine to give the nomination to someone who fell well short of Sanders in delegates and voters, I think that would anger and disillusion a large segment of voters we need.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:37:46am

re: #338 #thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)

the r’s are poised to call him a communist
some already have
(not that accuracy matters)

There’s really no counter-rhetoric versus “will use the word communist in bad faith regardless of who’s the nominee or what their policy is” other than to say “that is bad faith and so fucking what?”

The debates are a mess because they’re between people who actually care about shit, while Republican politics is smooth and coordinated because it’s a mix of true nihilists seeking gratification and people who’ve convinced themselves they believe in something but are just seeking gratification along with social affirmation that they’re okay.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:43:09am

re: #360 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I believe only a few of his supporters are “Bernie or busters” like that, and if he loses fairly, most will vote for a good nominee. But if he has a large lead, and the rest combine to give the nomination to someone who fell well short of Sanders in delegates and voters, I think that would anger and disillusion a large segment of voters we need.

It doesn’t matter how large a lead he has if he fails to meet the threshold to win the nomination outright. If he loses on the first ballot but wins the second because enough superdelegates flocked to his banner, does that mean he won “fairly”? I suppose it depends on whether or not they act like a huge fucking pack of hypocrites for accepting superdelegates as “legitimate.”

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:43:32am

re: #313 Eclectic Cyborg

I am praying for Bernie not to be the nominee. I’m not sure he’s healthy enough to survive one term, let alone two.

I’m not sure he’s healthy enough to survive until November.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:46:58am

re: #339 Targetpractice

Then why are we running any further primaries when he’s so damned popular? Just cancel it all, crown him the nominee, and let’s get to the general election already. I mean, it’s impossible for a candidate’s popularity to wane, right?

Lets at least get through Super Tuesday and see what happens. fivethirtyeight.com is projecting Bernie to win nearly half of Ca’s 417 delegates, and he is leading in Texas as well. If he wins big on ST, he’s probably going to be the nominee.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:48:22am

Fox News host: Trump shouldn’t suffer any backlash if he pardons Roger Stone

Pravda continues to cater to their audience of one.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:50:58am

re: #365 Dr. Matt

Fox News host: Trump shouldn’t suffer any backlash if he pardons Roger Stone

Pravda continues to cater to their audience of one.

Loyalty is a one way street with Trump. If he thinks it will help him to delay the pardon until after the election, Stone may have to do some time.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:53:34am

re: #363 sagehen

I’m not sure he’s healthy enough to survive until November.

Campaigning is pretty grueling, so if he’s not in good shape, it will show.

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danarchy  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:53:52am

re: #361 The Ghost of a Flea

The debates are a mess because they’re between people who actually care about shit, while Republican politics is smooth and coordinated because it’s a mix of true nihilists seeking gratification and people who’ve convinced themselves they believe in something but are just seeking gratification along with social affirmation that they’re okay.

How soon we forget how much of an utter train wreck the 2016 republican debates were.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:55:48am

re: #368 danarchy

How soon we forget how much of an utter train wreck the 2016 republican debates were.

They have all fallen in line and worship at the alter of Trump now though. Will anyone dare to challenge Jr. In 2024?

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:56:14am

So i have been in meetings for a few hours…did the stone pardon get tweeted yet?

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Feb 20, 2020 • 11:58:00am

re: #370 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

So i have been in meetings for a few hours…did the stone pardon get tweeted yet?

Nope. In fact twttler hasn’t tweeted a single thing about him, yet.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:02:29pm

¡(0.0)!

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#thegreatpoolpondconversion (dangerman)  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:07:25pm

re: #361 The Ghost of a Flea

There’s really no counter-rhetoric versus “will use the word communist in bad faith regardless of who’s the nominee or what their policy is” other than to say “that is bad faith and so fucking what?”

The debates are a mess because they’re between people who actually care about shit, while Republican politics is smooth and coordinated because it’s a mix of true nihilists seeking gratification and people who’ve convinced themselves they believe in something but are just seeking gratification along with social affirmation that they’re okay.

i agree about this and my concern is whether this much focus is appropriate in this particular election. i’d like to see somewhat more candid talk about ensuring the dems win no matter what, holding teh house and possibly taking the senate, and a little less (right now) on policies that have virtually no chance in the next 4 years, especially if we dont get the senate.

the presidency is probably easier to win this cycle but i wonder if given a choice whether the senate is more important

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ericblair  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:11:11pm

re: #363 sagehen

I’m not sure he’s healthy enough to survive until November.

I’m thinking it’s 50-50 whether either Bernie or the shitgibbon make it to November.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:11:26pm

re: #349 Targetpractice

Here’s a more accurate assessment of the situation: The Berners are going to walk in any scenario where the party does not bend the knee to him.

If he fails to win a plurality of delegates, they’ll declare the DNC “rigged” the process and walk.

If he wins a plurality but fails to meet the threshold to win on the first ballot, then loses on the second, then they’ll scream it was “rigged” (again) walk away.

If there’s a brokered convention that leads to anything but a Bernie nomination, then they’ll walk.

So to say we can’t win without the Berners is to say that the rules be damned, Bernie must be the nominee if we want to win.

Evidence from the the other day indicates that the Bernie or die group is pretty small. Someone was canvassing in OK, and most of those supporting Bernie were still open to other candidates, especially Warren.

I still think it’s really early to be harping on them too much. We can’t make them go away, but we also don’t want to blow their influence out of proportion.

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ericblair  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:12:47pm

re: #364 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Lets at least get through Super Tuesday and see what happens. fivethirtyeight.com is projecting Bernie to win nearly half of Ca’s 417 delegates, and he is leading in Texas as well. If he wins big on ST, he’s probably going to be the nominee.

If he can get 50%+1 delegates to vote for him at the convention he’s the nominee. Those are the rules he agreed to.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:13:17pm

Today’s Goober Internet fail! Maybe I should trademark that. The texas.gov customer service site is fubar, including driver license updates and other things certain interests might prefer that you can’t done. Phone service is up to its usual standard, or even worse. You could apparently drive to Austin and visit the relevant office, if any, in person in less than the usual hold time. I am very suspicious about this one, coming as it does right around early vote time.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:18:56pm

re: #321 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If they do that, we will lose, because the large block of Democrats supporting Bernie will be outraged.

I remember the old rule at Democratic conventions when the nominee needed a 2/3 majority. That was in effect until 1936. It’s why the 1924 convention went to 103 ballots.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:20:03pm

re: #371 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Nope. In fact twttler hasn’t tweeted a single thing about him, yet.

Donny is waiting to get his marching orders from Hannity.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:21:34pm

re: #369 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They have all fallen in line and worship at the alter of Trump now though. Will anyone dare to challenge Jr. In 2024?

Or Princess Ivanka?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:23:00pm

re: #376 ericblair

If he can get 50%+1 delegates to vote for him at the convention he’s the nominee. Those are the rules he agreed to.

To win elections, you try to get the most votes. So its a bad idea to piss off a large bloc of voters inclined to vote for you when you need their votes to win. If Bernie has 33-40% of the delegates, and hundreds more than any other candidate, it would be a bad idea to deny him the nomination. Now if there are several candidates with about 20-25%, then have at it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:24:41pm

re: #380 Joe Bacon 🌹

Or Princess Ivanka?

She isn’t really a red meat Republican the way Donny Jr. is.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:25:00pm

re: #381 NO SMOCKING GUN!

To win elections, you try to get the most votes. So its a bad idea to piss off a large bloc of voters inclined to vote for you when you need their votes to win. If Bernie has 33-40% of the delegates, and hundreds more than any other candidate, it would be a bad idea to deny him the nomination. Now if there are several candidates with about 20-25%, then have at it.

Remember how nice they were when he lost the nomination by 4M votes?

But they weren’t what cost Hillary the last few states. That was mainly apathy, racism, and sexism.

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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:25:24pm

re: #294 KGxvi

I think if the Lib Dems or Labour had come out and said “if elected, we’re scrapping Brexit; the vote was too close and the process has shown it will not led to a better future” they might have actually had a chance at winning.

Uh, that was exactly the LibDems position. Their electoral slogan was “Bollocks to Brexit” remember. They were massacred.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:26:01pm

re: #382 NO SMOCKING GUN!

She isn’t really a red meat Republican the way Donny Jr. is.

She’s a she. No way the base votes for her. There are a lot of women who don’t think a woman should be POTUS - on both sides.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:26:51pm

re: #383 Belafon

Remember how nice they were when he lost the nomination by 4M votes?

But they weren’t what cost Hillary the last few states. That was mainly apathy, racism, and sexism.

And a massive disinformation campaign by Russians and all media, topped off by Comey’s October Surprise.

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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:26:57pm

re: #299 Targetpractice

All Labour had to do was come out and say “No more ‘referendum’ bollocks, the voters have made clear they want to Remain”.

How could they have said that? A majority of the voters were clearly for Brexit.

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BigPapa  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:27:08pm

1. Was the installer having a bad day?
2. The owner has a pair of speakers aiming at his jerk neighbor’s house for when his jerk dog is jerk barking too much

Fah Q
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aatharuv  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:30:08pm

re: #383 Belafon

Remember how nice they were when he lost the nomination by 4M votes?

But they weren’t what cost Hillary the last few states. That was mainly apathy, racism, and sexism.

This brings up an interesting point. All the polls which show Bernie winning against Trump head to head, seem to be national polls. Which are useless of Bernie gains a few extra percent in California, New York, and Massachusetts (netting him 0 additional ec votes) and loses 1/10th of a percent in Ohio, or Pennsylvania (swinging 20+ EC votes to Trump).

A candidate who might not necessarily rally the base in the uber liberal states, while getting turnout in the swing states against Trump might be what we need.

Anyone seen any good swing state polls comparing the Democratic candidates versus Trump?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:30:38pm

re: #377 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It just happens that updating your address on your Texas driver’s license will not automatically change the address on your voter registration, even though the same agency, the Department of Public Safety, tracks both. If they don’t match, you can’t vote. To change your voter address, you have to go to their website and jump through various hoops. This includes entering both your DL number and the “DPS Audit number,” which is 21 digits long. Also it just happens to take several weeks for new audit numbers to make it into their system, so if you have renewed any time recently, the all powerful and wise system will not accept it and will refuse to update your voter registation address.

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ericblair  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:32:50pm

re: #381 NO SMOCKING GUN!

To win elections, you try to get the most votes. So its a bad idea to piss off a large bloc of voters inclined to vote for you when you need their votes to win. If Bernie has 33-40% of the delegates, and hundreds more than any other candidate, it would be a bad idea to deny him the nomination. Now if there are several candidates with about 20-25%, then have at it.

How would this even work? The rules say you need 50% + 1 delegates. If he’s got 40%, then he needs to scare up 10% from other candidates who have dropped out. I mean, if the convention just throws out the rulebook and awards the nomination to Bernie, how is that not rigging the system in the purest sense?

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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:33:41pm

re: #335 Targetpractice

Arguing that “democratic socialist” isn’t the same as “socialist” is semantics, something that voters are not going to do when going to the polls in November.

That’s not the argument. Bernie isn’t a socialist, he isn’t a democratic socialist either, just to complete the list he isn’t a social democrat. He’s an egotist, a fake lefty like Rand Paul is a fake libertarian.

The closest I can find to him in European politics is Melenchon in France (and Melenchon, even though I despise him, is less fake than Bernie).

Bernie is no Corbyn. Corbyn is a well liked constituency MP promoted above his pay grade.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:34:15pm

re: #381 NO SMOCKING GUN!

To win elections, you try to get the most votes. So its a bad idea to piss off a large bloc of voters inclined to vote for you when you need their votes to win. If Bernie has 33-40% of the delegates, and hundreds more than any other candidate, it would be a bad idea to deny him the nomination. Now if there are several candidates with about 20-25%, then have at it.

It’s pretty simple math: if Bernie arrives at the convention with that 33-40% of the delegates and the other remaining candidates have the other 60-67% between them, then Bernie does not have a majority of the delegates. If the other candidates negotiate between themselves and award that 60-67% to one candidate, then how is it then “fair” to say that Bernie must be named the nominee because he arrived at the convention with the most delegates?

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:36:01pm

re: #389 aatharuv

This brings up an interesting point. All the polls which show Bernie winning against Trump head to head, seem to be national polls. Which are useless of Bernie gains a few extra percent in California, New York, and Massachusetts (netting him 0 additional ec votes) and loses 1/10th of a percent in Ohio, or Pennsylvania (swinging 20+ EC votes to Trump).

A candidate who might not necessarily rally the base in the uber liberal states, while getting turnout in the swing states against Trump might be what we need.

Anyone seen any good swing state polls comparing the Democratic candidates versus Trump?

Not that this is totally relevant BUT Bernie carried Wisconsin and Michigan in the 2016 primaries. Hillary won Pennsylvania.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:37:09pm

re: #387 John Hughes

How could they have said that? A majority of the voters were clearly for Brexit.

Were they? From what I remember of the original Brexit, it barely passed, and a number of people protest voted for something they didn’t think would pass.
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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:38:02pm

re: #358 Dread Pirate

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Turkey has the Russian S-400 missile system, why do they need the US Patriot system?

Because using S-400 missiles on Russian planes is unlikely to work well.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:38:05pm

re: #393 Targetpractice

It’s pretty simple math: if Bernie arrives at the convention with that 33-40% of the delegates and the other remaining candidates have the other 60-67% between them, then Bernie does not have a majority of the delegates. If the other candidates negotiate between themselves and award that 60-67% to one candidate, then how is it then “fair” to say that Bernie must be named the nominee because he arrived at the convention with the most delegates?

If he has 40% and everyone else has 25% or less, that would be a problem. OTOH if he has 33% and the next person has 31%, then they would have less of a cause to scream but they will.

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Disloyal Archangel  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:39:19pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:41:18pm

re: #395 Belafon

Were they? From what I remember of the original Brexit, it barely passed, and a number of people protest voted for something they didn’t think would pass.
.

The Brexit campaign also lied big time about the financial effects, especially their promise that it would bring back £350m a week to the nation to help fund the NHS.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:41:58pm

re: #399 Hecuba’s daughter

The Brexit campaign also lied big time about the financial effects, especially their promise that it would bring back £350m a week to the nation to help fund the NHS.

And they admitted to lying the day after the vote (which passed by like 1.5%).

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:43:26pm

re: #345 Belafon

If/When Trump pardons Stone, the only response should be anger. Not regisgnation. Just anger.

Try riots.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:45:08pm

A feel good tweet.

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ericblair  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:46:10pm

re: #392 John Hughes

That’s not the argument. Bernie isn’t a socialist, he isn’t a democratic socialist either, just to complete the list he isn’t a social democrat. He’s an egotist, a fake lefty like Rand Paul is a fake libertarian.

The closest I can find to him in European politics is Melenchon in France (and Melenchon, even though I despise him, is less fake than Bernie).

Bernie is no Corbyn. Corbyn is a well liked constituency MP promoted above his pay grade.

From a European perspective, Bernie isn’t that far left at all. From a procedural perspective (Senate filibuster rules, court appointments, etc) he’s one of the most small-c conservatives in the running, really. Also, he’s the supposed socialist candidate who just got clotheslined by union politics in Nevada and his team is fighting it out with union leadership. But he talks about Revolution and is against The Establishment, so he gets that part of the electorate.

He used to be a tankie, but he’s not anymore (as opposed to Corbyn and Melanchon). Of course, you can drag up some old material as oppo, but as far as foreign policy goes he’s pretty much standard leftish Democratic when you get down to it. These days, he’s not going to pat al-Assad and the Iranians on the head for bombing civilians, so there’s that. The Russians wanted to help him in 2016, but I don’t think he encouraged it.

That said, he can’t work with others, fundamentally doesn’t care about the future of the Democratic party, and can’t get his people under control assuming he even wants to. Of course I’ll vote for him if he’s the nominee, but I hope he’s not.

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EPR-radar  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:46:14pm

re: #401 Ace Rothstein

Try riots.

A general strike would be nice, while we’re thinking of things that should happen after Stone’s pardon, but most likely won’t.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:48:13pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:50:21pm

re: #393 Targetpractice

It’s pretty simple math: if Bernie arrives at the convention with that 33-40% of the delegates and the other remaining candidates have the other 60-67% between them, then Bernie does not have a majority of the delegates. If the other candidates negotiate between themselves and award that 60-67% to one candidate, then how is it then “fair” to say that Bernie must be named the nominee because he arrived at the convention with the most delegates?

I don’t care about fairness so much as I care about winning. Bernie has young voters who are less energised to vote Democrat than stalwart Democrats like us, so if they think it was unfair, we could lose the election. Clinton showed last time its a fools errand to chase “moderate Republicans” votes like Pete and Amy want. Republicans love Trump. We need to energize our voters. I’d rather win the election than stop Bernie. If Trump wins, our democracy is history.

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ericblair  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:50:38pm

re: #396 John Hughes

Because using S-400 missiles on Russian planes is unlikely to work well.

Turkey will have the nerfed export version of this, and the Russians will know its capabilities exactly, but it would probably work I believe. I’m not an expert in the details, but the S-400 is more of an all-around jack-of-all-trades system where the Patriot is more specialized and good at some missions while not doing others.

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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:51:56pm

re: #395 Belafon

Were they? From what I remember of the original Brexit, it barely passed, and a number of people protest voted for something they didn’t think would pass.
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Yes, they were. Brexit passed with 51.89% to 48.11%.

Not so different from Obama’s 51.1% to Romney’s 47.2%

Would you claim that Obama won on a “protest vote for something that they didn’t think would pass”?

(PS. I was, although disenfranchised, strongly against Brexit. I am in the process of changing my nationality because of it. But denying democratic legitimacy is a dumb move.)

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:53:31pm

re: #408 John Hughes

Yes, they were. Brexit passed with 51.89% to 48.11%.

Not so different from Obama’s 51.1% to Romney’s 47.2%

Would you claim that Obama won on a “protest vote for something that they didn’t think would pass”?

(PS. I was, although disenfranchised, strongly against Brexit. I am in the process of changing my nationality because of it. But denying democratic legitimacy is a dumb move.)

If you’re going to compare protest votes, then comparing Brexit to Clinton’s vote would be more apt, in part because the protest votes were a contributor to losing.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:56:24pm

re: #408 John Hughes

Yes, they were. Brexit passed with 51.89% to 48.11%.

Not so different from Obama’s 51.1% to Romney’s 47.2%

Would you claim that Obama won on a “protest vote for something that they didn’t think would pass”?

(PS. I was, although disenfranchised, strongly against Brexit. I am in the process of changing my nationality because of it. But denying democratic legitimacy is a dumb move.)

When you can’t win without lying, it’s not legit (IMHO).

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:57:02pm

re: #408 John Hughes

Yes, they were. Brexit passed with 51.89% to 48.11%.

Not so different from Obama’s 51.1% to Romney’s 47.2%

Would you claim that Obama won on a “protest vote for something that they didn’t think would pass”?

(PS. I was, although disenfranchised, strongly against Brexit. I am in the process of changing my nationality because of it. But denying democratic legitimacy is a dumb move.)

If the Brits wanted to stop Brexit, they had their chance, and the Tories won a crushing victory instead. They’re out now, and England is never getting back in, though Ulster and Scotland could if they secede from the UK.

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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:57:09pm

re: #407 ericblair

Turkey will have the nerfed export version of this, and the Russians will know its capabilities exactly, but it would probably work I believe. I’m not an expert in the details, but the S-400 is more of an all-around jack-of-all-trades system where the Patriot is more specialized and good at some missions while not doing others.

Come off it. The S-400’s IFF is going to go: “RUSSIAN PLANE DETECTED, LAUNCH ABORTED”.

You think the Turks have access to the software?

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EPR-radar  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:58:24pm

re: #410 I Would Prefer Not To

When you can’t win without lying, it’s not legit (IMHO).

The flip side of that coin is that in a democracy the voters are the only legit line of defense vs. lying candidates and campaigns.

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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 12:58:42pm

re: #409 Belafon

If you’re going to compare protest votes, then comparing Brexit to Clinton’s vote would be more apt, in part because the protest votes were a contributor to losing.

If the US 2016 elections had been run on the same basis as the Brexit referendum then Hillary would have won.

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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:01:24pm

re: #410 I Would Prefer Not To

When you can’t win without lying, it’s not legit (IMHO).

Great. I’ve lived in a country that had a military coup because people in power decided that the results of an election were illegitimate. It is not a good place to be. People die.

The trouble with the “west” these days is that everyone thinks “it can’t happen here”.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:01:52pm

I am considering building an ark. My little rain gauge on the back porch has filled up twice in the last two weeks (it’s 8 inches deep) and once in the last two DAYS. There’s a literal stream running through my back yard. The only thing missing is fish and perhaps a raccoon to catch them. I loathe this weather. Apologies to those of you in drought country, if I could steer all this water to you I would happily do so. I guess it’s good to live on a hill, at least right now. I miss sunshine, it’s fucking depressing without it.

I’m pissed Stone isn’t headed immediately to jail. If you or I “just” threatened a federal court judge, we’d be in jail without much time to think about it. His fucking sunglasses and bespoke wardrobe should have been set on fire as part of his punishment, gah. I’ve loathed him for decades, he has a huge role in the stupid clusterfuck we find ourselves in now. These people never just go away (see also too, Barr, William or Cheney, Dick…you get the idea…) you have to pluck them out and put them in prison or they just stay in place quietly ratfucking for dollars. Til death.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:01:54pm

re: #406 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I don’t care about fairness so much as I care about winning. Bernie has young voters who are less energised to vote Democrat than stalwart Democrats like us, so if they think it was unfair, we could lose the election. Clinton showed last time its a fools errand to chase “moderate Republicans” votes like Pete and Amy want. Republicans love Trump. We need to energize our voters. I’d rather win the election than stop Bernie. If Trump wins, our democracy is history.

What Clinton showed last time was that, no matter how fairly the process was run, those youth voters are going to declare the nomination going to anyone but Bernie as “unfair” and walk away. And if they’re a big enough portion of the vote to swing the election, then they’re obviously not the small percentage of Bernie supporters you believe they represent.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:03:18pm

re: #415 John Hughes

Great. I’ve lived in a country that had a military coup because people in power decided that the results of an election were illegitimate. It is not a good place to be. People die.

The trouble with the “west” these days is that everyone thinks “it can’t happen here”.

That’s not really what I’m saying. I’m saying that the Brexit side lied and everyone has to live with. Maybe some day some of the damage can be undone.

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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:04:36pm

re: #411 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If the Brits wanted to stop Brexit, they had their chance, and the Tories won a crushing victory instead. They’re out now,

Exactly.

and England is never getting back in,

I hope you’re wrong, “never” is a very long time and I still have family in the UK

though Ulster and Scotland could if they secede from the UK.

How many people who voted for Brexit thought they were voting for Irish reunion and the end of the UK?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:06:32pm

re: #417 Targetpractice

What Clinton showed last time was that, no matter how fairly the process was run, those youth voters are going to declare the nomination going to anyone but Bernie as “unfair” and walk away. And if they’re a big enough portion of the vote to swing the election, then they’re obviously not the small percentage of Bernie supporters you believe they represent.

No, that’s not what happened. A massive disinformation campaign, conducted by rightwing, mainstream, and left-wing media convinced voters across the political spectrum that Clinton was as dishonest as Trump. It wasn’t just Bernie supporters who voted third party.

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ericblair  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:10:03pm

re: #412 John Hughes

Come off it. The S-400’s IFF is going to go: “RUSSIAN PLANE DETECTED, LAUNCH ABORTED”.

You think the Turks have access to the software?

If the export S-400s did that, that means that they have Russian sovereign crypto in them to be able to interrogate the Russian military IFF system. Putting their crypto in the possession of other countries is something the Russians are unlikely to allow.

The Turks wouldn’t have access to the software, and I’m sure are prohibited by contract to touch the guts of them. However, they are in physical possession of the system, and if they tell the Russians they can go fuck themselves and start pulling the system apart, there’s not much the Russians can do besides either sue or invade.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:10:09pm

re: #402 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

A feel good tweet.

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And now a short break for some refreshing schadenfreude:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:10:47pm

re: #419 John Hughes

Exactly.

I hope you’re wrong, “never” is a very long time and I still have family in the UK

How many people who voted for Brexit thought they were voting for Irish reunion and the end of the UK?

England will never get back in because they have a large bloc of voters who don’t want back in, and will demand Brexit every time they regain power. Plus even when they were in the UK wasn’t all the way in, demanding special treatment like refusing to adopt the Euro. The EU doesn’t need the grief.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:11:08pm

re: #420 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No, that’s not what happened. A massive disinformation campaign, conducted by rightwing, mainstream, and left-wing media convinced voters across the political spectrum that Clinton was as dishonest as Trump. It wasn’t just Bernie supporters who voted third party.

And at the heart of that disinformation campaign were allegations that the DNC had “rigged” the entire primary system in Hillary’s favor, from superdelegates endorsing her months before the first votes were cast, to assertions that the sequence of primaries and caucuses were designed to demoralize Bernie supporters by giving her an early lead, to the usual conspiracy theories such as claims that the DNC had engineered this primary or that caucus to keep out Bernie supporters or inflate the number of Clinton supporters.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:12:05pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:12:08pm
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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:13:54pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:14:42pm

re: #426 Dave In Austin

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It is harder to tell.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:14:43pm

Speaking of the UK and Brexit:

Exclusive: Did someone say chicken? UK preparing to break with EU on food safety at WTO meeting

Downing Street is preparing to break away from the EU on food safety at an upcoming WTO summit, in yet another breach of transition rules within the Withdrawal Agreement.

The stage will be set when the US formally welcomes the UK as an independent member of the WTO during a meeting about sanitary and phytosanitary (SPS) measures.

The UK’s permanent representative Julian Braithwaite is expected to respond with “a clear statement about future intentions” on areas like beef hormones, gene editing and GM foods and the use of peracetic acid to wash poultry, City A.M. understands.

Peracetic acid is commonly used instead of chlorine when processing chicken. Although Boris Johnson has ruled out “chlorinated chicken” in previous speeches, he has also said future decisions on food safety will be “governed by science and not by mumbo jumbo”.

[…]

Eventually the brits will discover they want cheap poultry and will accept poultry sanitized with various agents.

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William Lewis  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:14:44pm

Ok, Picard watchers, #5 is the best yet. No spoilers, just watch and watch out.

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mmmirele  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:14:45pm

re: #364 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Lets at least get through Super Tuesday and see what happens. fivethirtyeight.com is projecting Bernie to win nearly half of Ca’s 417 delegates, and he is leading in Texas as well. If he wins big on ST, he’s probably going to be the nominee.

And then we will lose in November. Because, sorry to say this, Bernie has red underwear. Yeah, I know nobody wants to hear this.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:15:53pm

re: #427 jaunte

Surprised, but not surprised.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:17:10pm

re: #431 mmmirele

The DNC should have required that anyone running for the Democratic nomination had to be a member of the Democratic party for at least three years prior.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:17:22pm

re: #424 Targetpractice

And at the heart of that disinformation campaign were allegations that the DNC had “rigged” the entire primary system in Hillary’s favor, from superdelegates endorsing her months before the first votes were cast, to assertions that the sequence of primaries and caucuses were designed to demoralize Bernie supporters by giving her an early lead, to the usual conspiracy theories such as claims that the DNC had engineered this primary or that caucus to keep out Bernie supporters or inflate the number of Clinton supporters.

The email “scandal” was the heart of it. There was more reporting about the email “scandal” than all the issues combined. The “rigged election” was a part of it too, which is a big reason the Democrats shouldn’t actually rig the convention to deny Bernie the nomination if he has a big lead in delegates.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:17:45pm

I don’t understand how Bernie is doing so well in CA. What do I know.

Plus I’m going to have a heard time defending Bernie when they go after him and his wife if he gets the nom. So fucking stupid.

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mmmirele  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:18:36pm

re: #365 Dr. Matt

Fox News host: Trump shouldn’t suffer any backlash if he pardons Roger Stone

Pravda continues to cater to their audience of one.

“Audience of one.” That’s an Evangelical sentiment. That they’re doing everything for their audience of one-God.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:19:25pm

re: #435 I Would Prefer Not To

I don’t plan to vote for him. If Kamala was still running I think she would have gotten a lot of votes.

538 has some strange affinity for models that fixate on averaging algorithms, as opposed to actual on-the-ground reporting of what people are doing.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:20:31pm

re: #434 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The email “scandal” was the heart of it. There was more reporting about the email “scandal” than all the issues combined. The “rigged election” was a part of it too, which is a big reason the Democrats shouldn’t actually rig the convention to deny Bernie the nomination if he has a big lead in delegates.

OFFS, if the nomination goes to someone other than Bernie and is done within the boundaries of the rules agreed to by all candidates months ago, then it is not “rigged.” Bending or breaking the rules to give Bernie the nomination if he fails to meet the threshold, THAT is rigging the convention.

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:21:07pm

re: #437 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I don’t plan to vote for him. If Kamala was still running I think she would have gotten a lot of votes.

538 has some strange affinity for models that fixate on averaging algorithms, as opposed to actual on-the-ground reporting of what people are doing.

Weren’t the ballots printed ages ago, and lots of people who’ve dropped out are still on there?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:22:19pm

re: #431 mmmirele

And then we will lose in November. Because, sorry to say this, Bernie has red underwear. Yeah, I know nobody wants to hear this.

I respectfully disagree. Voters are more motivated by negative partisanship, and Democrats are highly motivated to defeat Trump, and there are more of us, and democrats like Bernie a lot. Plus he should energize a record youth vote.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:23:07pm

re: #439 sagehen

Weren’t the ballots printed ages ago, and lots of people who’ve dropped out are still on there?

I’ve not even checked. Maybe I should go look at my ballot pamphlet?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:26:11pm

re: #438 Targetpractice

OFFS, if the nomination goes to someone other than Bernie and is done within the boundaries of the rules agreed to by all candidates months ago, then it is not “rigged.” Bending or breaking the rules to give Bernie the nomination if he fails to meet the threshold, THAT is rigging the convention.

I’m not saying rules should be bent or broken. I’m saying if Bernie has a big lead in delegates then a lot of voters we need will perceive the convention as rigged if he isn’t nominated.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:26:58pm

Brain damage: keeps people voting Republican.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:28:10pm

re: #439 sagehen

Weren’t the ballots printed ages ago, and lots of people who’ve dropped out are still on there?

All I know is that Kamala isn’t on my ballot, she dropped out early enough. Same with Beto and, I believe, Booker.

The only bright side for me is that due to the fucked up situation that drove Katie Hill to resign I get to vote against Cenk Uygur twice, once to replace her and once for the primary race to see who’s on the ballot in November.

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John Hughes  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:28:34pm

re: #421 ericblair

If the export S-400s did that, that means that they have Russian sovereign crypto in them to be able to interrogate the Russian military IFF system. Putting their crypto in the possession of other countries is something the Russians are unlikely to allow..

Welcome to the miracles of asymmetrical crypto. Your web browser knows that Wells Fargo is Wells Fargo, it doesn’t need any secret stuff from Wells Fargo to do that.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:32:20pm

Ok, by California ballot has no less than twenty (20) candidates for Democrats, including some who have dropped out.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:32:56pm

re: #442 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m not saying rules should be bent or broken. I’m saying if Bernie has a big lead in delegates then a lot of voters we need will perceive the convention as rigged if he isn’t nominated.

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say you’re for following the rules but Bernie should be nominated even if he fails to meet the mandated threshold to win the nomination.

Worse, you’re undermining your own position that “Bernie or Bust” voters don’t constitute a large portion of his followers when you say that “a lot of voters we need” will walk away if he doesn’t receive the nomination. If they’re a small portion of his followers, then how can they be enough to swing the election?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:33:48pm

FWIW there are seven Republicans, though Trump will get almost all the votes, but if there are going to be protest Republicans anywhere I guess they will be here.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:34:44pm

re: #442 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m not saying rules should be bent or broken. I’m saying if Bernie has a big lead in delegates then a lot of voters we need will perceive the convention as rigged if he isn’t nominated.

I hate to say it but regardless of what’s going to happen, I’m afraid they’re gonna call it rigged and I’m less bullish than you are about Bernie and the youth vote. He has a devoted following but it’s not that strong and unfortunately I think it’s a mistake to rely on a notoriously unreliable demographic. I’ve had people I know tout how great Bernie is. Yet they won’t make calls or knock doors. They just think Bernie will waltz to victory because they think we’re all secretly wanting to vote for him. That’s just wrong. Anyhow this time next month I think it’s gonna be a different race.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:35:20pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:36:06pm

re: #448 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

FWIW there are seven Republicans, though Trump will get almost all the votes, but if there are going to be protest Republicans anywhere I guess they will be here.

I’d love to see someone get some delegates and prevent Trump from being unanimous. We know how obsessed he is with numbers.

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BeachDem  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:38:42pm

re: #434 NO SMOCKING GUN!

…The “rigged election” was a part of it too, which is a big reason the Democrats shouldn’t actually rig the convention to deny Bernie the nomination if he has a big lead in delegates.

June, 2016—

Hillary Clinton is on track to win a majority of the pledged delegates, almost certainly by June 7…the irony is that without the superdelegate system in place, Sanders likely would be toast on June 7…So, even without the superdelegates, Clinton would have won the Democratic nomination fair and square…

Sanders claims it would be “factually incorrect” for the media to declare Clinton the presumptive nominee once she crosses the 2,383 threshold. But he is ignoring the fact that Clinton will also win a majority of the pledged delegates.

washingtonpost.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:39:15pm

Sometimes you have to look at the big picture, and how things play out over a century or so:

Message in a bottle ‘returns’ to Jersey beach 82 years later

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:39:41pm

On a OT note, I saw Incitement today. Had no idea how much Bibi was involved in the events that led up to Rabin’s assassination.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:41:38pm

re: #452 BeachDem

June, 2016—

Hillary Clinton is on track to win a majority of the pledged delegates, almost certainly by June 7…the irony is that without the superdelegate system in place, Sanders likely would be toast on June 7…So, even without the superdelegates, Clinton would have won the Democratic nomination fair and square…

Sanders claims it would be “factually incorrect” for the media to declare Clinton the presumptive nominee once she crosses the 2,383 threshold. But he is ignoring the fact that Clinton will also win a majority of the pledged delegates.

washingtonpost.com

Bernie is the Heads I win, tails you lose candidate. I have a lot of resentment with how he sells himself as being anti politics as usual when he’s just as if not more cynical about politics when it comes to his own power but it gets ignored because people love the platform.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:41:40pm

I keep reminding myself that my grandfather was born when Chester Arthur was President, and that Presidents come and go over the lifetime of a family.

It doesn’t really help in dealing with the Trump stench.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:42:00pm

re: #447 Targetpractice

You can’t have it both ways. You can’t say you’re for following the rules but Bernie should be nominated even if he fails to meet the mandated threshold to win the nomination.

Worse, you’re undermining your own position that “Bernie or Bust” voters don’t constitute a large portion of his followers when you say that “a lot of voters we need” will walk away if he doesn’t receive the nomination. If they’re a small portion of his followers, then how can they be enough to swing the election?

By your definition of bending or breaking the rules, the Democrats should not nominate anyone then. Someone has to be the nominee, and the candidate who got the most votes and delegates is the obvious choice. By “Bernie or bust” I mean people who will only vote for Bernie period; that is a small group. I think there is a larger group who will be turned off if they perceive that he is denied the nomination unfairly. Its more important to defeat Trump than to stop Bernie; if he is the most popular candidate, has the most votes, and the most delegates, it stands to reason he is the logical choice for the nomination.

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EPR-radar  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:42:31pm

re: #454 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

On a OT note, I saw Incitement today. Had no idea how much Bibi was involved in the events that led up to Rabin’s assassination.

Was it the usual agitprop you would expect from any right-winger, or something more substantial?

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:43:32pm

re: #452 BeachDem

June, 2016—

Hillary Clinton is on track to win a majority of the pledged delegates, almost certainly by June 7…the irony is that without the superdelegate system in place, Sanders likely would be toast on June 7…So, even without the superdelegates, Clinton would have won the Democratic nomination fair and square…

Sanders claims it would be “factually incorrect” for the media to declare Clinton the presumptive nominee once she crosses the 2,383 threshold. But he is ignoring the fact that Clinton will also win a majority of the pledged delegates.

washingtonpost.com

Even in the days before the convention, there were Berners who insisted he was going to win because the superdelegates would realize just how “unpopular” Hillary was and run to Bernie’s banner. Remember all the “predictions” that there would be a mass exodus of delegates from the convention floor in protest of Hillary being “crowned”?

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EPR-radar  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:46:07pm

re: #457 NO SMOCKING GUN!

By your definition of bending or breaking the rules, the Democrats should not nominate anyone then. Someone has to be the nominee, and the candidate who got the most votes and delegates is the obvious choice. By “Bernie or bust” I mean people who will only vote for Bernie period; that is a small group. I think there is a larger group who will be turned off if they perceive that he is denied the nomination unfairly. Its more important to defeat Trump than to stop Bernie; if he is the most popular candidate, has the most votes, and the most delegates, it stands to reason he is the logical choice for the nomination.

Everything will depend on the details and the numbers. Bernie going into the convention leading with 26% with three other candidates having 25%, 25% and 24% is very different than if the numbers were 49% for Sanders and 5 other candidates at 11%, 10%, 10%, 10% and 10%.

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:47:11pm

re: #448 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

FWIW there are seven Republicans, though Trump will get almost all the votes, but if there are going to be protest Republicans anywhere I guess they will be here.

nah… New York.

We know him best, we’ve known him longest. In the 2016 New York primary he won the state overall (with about 60%); but lost in Manhattan to Kasich.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:47:55pm

re: #456 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I keep reminding myself that my grandfather was born when Chester Arthur was President, and that Presidents come and go over the lifetime of a family.

It doesn’t really help in dealing with the Trump stench.

I like looking at that for perspective. I don’t have any great grandparents that were born in Arthur’s. I have Grant all the way to McKinley. 23 year difference between my dad’s maternal grandfather and my mom’s maternal grandmother.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:50:34pm

re: #458 EPR-radar

Was it the usual agitprop you would expect from any right-winger, or something more substantial?

I’d say similar to what was about Obama. The Israeli right was fine with using violent rhetoric against Rabin in a way that Bibi would cry if ever used on him.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:50:56pm

re: #462 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I like looking at that for perspective. I don’t have any great grandparents that were born in Arthur’s. I have Grant all the way to McKinley. 23 year difference between my dad’s maternal grandfather and my mom’s maternal grandmother.

TR, two Taft and a Wilson for me. One lived long enough to vote for Obama at age 94.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:51:25pm

re: #449 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I hate to say it but regardless of what’s going to happen, I’m afraid they’re gonna call it rigged and I’m less bullish than you are about Bernie and the youth vote. He has a devoted following but it’s not that strong and unfortunately I think it’s a mistake to rely on a notoriously unreliable demographic. I’ve had people I know tout how great Bernie is. Yet they won’t make calls or knock doors. They just think Bernie will waltz to victory because they think we’re all secretly wanting to vote for him. That’s just wrong. Anyhow this time next month I think it’s gonna be a different race.

Here’s the thing. Democrats like us are going to #votebluenomatterwho. We are in the bank. However many marginal voters Bernie would bring in who otherwise wouldn’t vote increase our odds of winning. I think it could be a lot, you think not so much, but it would all be positive. People who will run to Trump at the sound of the word “socialist” probably aren’t going to vote democratic anyway.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:52:04pm

re: #459 Targetpractice

Even in the days before the convention, there were Berners who insisted he was going to win because the superdelegates would realize just how “unpopular” Hillary was and run to Bernie’s banner. Remember all the “predictions” that there would be a mass exodus of delegates from the convention floor in protest of Hillary being “crowned”?

There’s a deeply anti democracy element to Bernie’s “revolution” that scares the fuck outta me.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:53:46pm

re: #465 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Here’s the thing. Democrats like us are going to #votebluenomatterwho. We are in the bank. However many marginal voters Bernie would bring in who otherwise wouldn’t vote increase our odds of winning. I think it could be a lot, you think not so much, but it would all be positive. People who will run to Trump at the sound of the word “socialist” probably aren’t going to vote democratic anyway.

I just worry he’s going to be a drag. Honestly I’m more bullish than most are about him winning but I’m cynical about him being a good president and I’ve had it with the lying about his heart. It’s gaslighting bullshit. We’ll see what happens. Hopefully he’s a non factor in Milwaukee.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:54:21pm

re: #460 EPR-radar

Everything will depend on the details and the numbers. Bernie going into the convention leading with 26% with three other candidates having 25%, 25% and 24% is very different than if the numbers were 49% for Sanders and 5 other candidates at 11%, 10%, 10%, 10% and 10%.

Obviously; if its the former it’s basically a tie and anyone’s game.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:55:11pm

re: #457 NO SMOCKING GUN!

By your definition of bending or breaking the rules, the Democrats should not nominate anyone then. Someone has to be the nominee, and the candidate who got the most votes and delegates is the obvious choice.

Except it’s not because that’s not the way the rules are written. If Bernie does not have enough delegates on the first ballot to win outright, then there are ways within the boundaries of the rules to meet that bar. Delegates can be released, superdelegates get to weigh in, and so forth.

By “Bernie or bust” I mean people who will only vote for Bernie period; that is a small group. I think there is a larger group who will be turned off if they perceive that he is denied the nomination unfairly.

What we learned in 2016 is that there is no functional difference between these groups, that the former can and will work to convince the latter that there was an element of “unfairness” to the process and thus Bernie was “cheated.”

Its more important to defeat Trump than to stop Bernie; if he is the most popular candidate, has the most votes, and the most delegates, it stands to reason he is the logical choice for the nomination.

Hillary won the popular vote by 3+ million votes, which is why she’s president today.////

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:56:09pm

Under reported story:

January 2020 was Earth’s hottest January on record

I don’t like the cold (hence I live in SoCal)… but as the temps creep up the long term changes are going to accumulate.

So far the precip in the northern mountains is very low this year. A bad sign.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:56:37pm

re: #467 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I just worry he’s going to be a drag. Honestly I’m more bullish than most are about him winning but I’m cynical about him being a good president and I’ve had it with the lying about his heart. It’s gaslighting bullshit. We’ll see what happens. Hopefully he’s a non factor in Milwaukee.

He’ll be a factor, unless his health breaks down. As grueling as the campaign is, it will definitely test the candidates’ stamina.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:56:53pm

re: #444 goddamnedfrank

All I know is that Kamala isn’t on my ballot, she dropped out early enough. Same with Beto and, I believe, Booker.

The only bright side for me is that due to the fucked up situation that drove Katie Hill to resign I get to vote against Cenk Uygur twice, once to replace her and once for the primary race to see who’s on the ballot in November.

I have to admit, I was rather surprised that there was only one proposition on the ballot this time. I don’t remember there ever being at least 3.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2020 • 1:59:45pm

re: #472 KGxvi

I have to admit, I was rather surprised that there was only one proposition on the ballot this time. I don’t remember there ever being at least 3.

For perspective, there are already five qualified for the November ballot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:00:56pm

re: #444 goddamnedfrank

All I know is that Kamala isn’t on my ballot, she dropped out early enough. Same with Beto and, I believe, Booker.

The only bright side for me is that due to the fucked up situation that drove Katie Hill to resign I get to vote against Cenk Uygur twice, once to replace her and once for the primary race to see who’s on the ballot in November.

It’s hard to keep track of all the scandals these days. Was this one the revenge porn thing?

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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:01:16pm

Arsenal got a nice away goal and win today. <3

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:01:27pm

re: #471 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He’ll be a factor, unless his health breaks down. As grueling as the campaign is, it will definitely test the candidates’ stamina.

True enough. I’ll level with you. I hate what he’s done to how people understand how the presidency works. Him, Trump, & Ron Paul are all on my shit list for that.

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:02:49pm

re: #465 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Here’s the thing. Democrats like us are going to #votebluenomatterwho. We are in the bank. However many marginal voters Bernie would bring in who otherwise wouldn’t vote increase our odds of winning. I think it could be a lot, you think not so much, but it would all be positive. People who will run to Trump at the sound of the word “socialist” probably aren’t going to vote democratic anyway.

And he’d be a huge drag downticket.

The D’s house victories in 2018 were from purple districts that DO. NOT. WANT. Sanders. None of his endorsed candidates flipped any seats. Any.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:03:38pm

re: #473 goddamnedfrank

For perspective, there are already five qualified for the November ballot.

That’s about the number I usually expect. Just checked, in 2018 we had 5 on the primary ballot and 12 in the general.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:04:02pm

re: #474 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s hard to keep track of all the scandals these days. Was this one the revenge porn thing?

Yep

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:04:57pm

We have a couple of county ballot thingys.

One is to approve this: newlandco.com

I’m going to vote no. It’s just a way to encroach on Mt. Palomar and the area around it.

Current plan is for 99 houses, and the submitted changes raises that to two thousand or so.

I’m with the low-cost housing activists on this one. Building more suburbs that require long-distance commuting is just silly at this point.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:07:59pm

re: #480 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I’m with the low-cost housing activists on this one. Building more suburbs that require long-distance commuting is just silly at this point.

THIS.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:08:54pm

re: #465 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Here’s the thing. Democrats like us are going to #votebluenomatterwho. We are in the bank. However many marginal voters Bernie would bring in who otherwise wouldn’t vote increase our odds of winning. I think it could be a lot, you think not so much, but it would all be positive. People who will run to Trump at the sound of the word “socialist” probably aren’t going to vote democratic anyway.

There’s also the question of how many marginal voters he turns off. Remember in a “two person race” there are actually three options: Republican, Democrat, not voting. I think a Sanders-Trump general election would probably end up being a super low turn out election. And I’m not entirely sure who that would help, in part because of the electoral college.

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Teukka  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:09:51pm

So this scrolled by in my YouTube feed:

Let’s talk about Republics and Democracies….

Just in case you run into the issue.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:09:56pm

re: #464 i(m)p(each)sos

TR, two Taft and a Wilson for me. One lived long enough to vote for Obama at age 94.

With my grandparents. It’s a different one from Taft to Hoover though with my dads mother it was lame duck Taft and newbie Hoover for my moms father. Both my grandfathers were younger than their wives and left handed. I’m named after both.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:10:49pm

re: #482 KGxvi

There’s also the question of how many marginal voters he turns off. Remember in a “two person race” there are actually three options: Republican, Democrat, not voting. I think a Sanders-Trump general election would probably end up being a super low turn out election. And I’m not entirely sure who that would help, in part because of the electoral college.

Two old guys yelling at each other. It just doesn’t appeal to me at all. I dreamed of Harris-Beto or Julian but alas.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:12:03pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:13:12pm

re: #408 John Hughes

Yes, they were. Brexit passed with 51.89% to 48.11%.

Not so different from Obama’s 51.1% to Romney’s 47.2%

Would you claim that Obama won on a “protest vote for something that they didn’t think would pass”?

(PS. I was, although disenfranchised, strongly against Brexit. I am in the process of changing my nationality because of it. But denying democratic legitimacy is a dumb move.)

I’d argue that the threshold for Brexit was wholly inappropriate for such a massive and fundamental restructuring of society. This is, I think, where the analogy breaks down.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:14:27pm

re: #482 KGxvi

There’s also the question of how many marginal voters he turns off. Remember in a “two person race” there are actually three options: Republican, Democrat, not voting. I think a Sanders-Trump general election would probably end up being a super low turn out election. And I’m not entirely sure who that would help, in part because of the electoral college.

That’s a large part of the arrogance on display in the Bernie camp, the idea that votes like mine are a given and it’s their votes that will make or break the party in November. It wasn’t the cities that Hillary lost in 2016, it was the rural areas where someone like Bernie would scare voters away.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:14:40pm

The problem with Bernie and Paul/Trump is they’ve sold the Presidency as the chief ideologue in the country. TP can tell you but Northam was more moderate than Perriello is. I campaigned for both of them. Northam has probably governed the most progressive than any Virginia Democrat I can think of. Get a strong Democratic legislature and that along with an executive who understands Congress, we could get a lot accomplished.

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EPR-radar  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:15:07pm

re: #482 KGxvi

There’s also the question of how many marginal voters he turns off. Remember in a “two person race” there are actually three options: Republican, Democrat, not voting. I think a Sanders-Trump general election would probably end up being a super low turn out election. And I’m not entirely sure who that would help, in part because of the electoral college.

I’m pretty sure low turnout would favor Republicans. The GOP base falls in line behind their candidates every November and votes for them. Every election. Presidential election years and midterm years.

This is in fact the way to ‘win’ in US politics, and the right being so consistently better at it than the left pisses me off.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:15:37pm

Many American consumer-units (formerly “people”) have never heard of Rutherford B. Hayes but he is possibly the best known US President in Paraguay.

Huh? What? How did that happen?

In 1878, Hayes was chosen to arbitrate a boundary dispute between Paraguay and Argentina. The Paraguayans glumly assumed that the decision would go to the much wealthier Argentines. They were therefore delighted when Hayes ruled in their favor and awarded Paraguay 60% of the disputed territory. The decision made Hayes a national hero in Paraguay. The Paraguayans named a province after him, Presidente Hayes, with its capital at Villa Hayes. The latter hosts an annual Rutherford B. Hayes festival and also has a big statue of him. Fremont, Ohio, where President Hayes is buried, is a sister city.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:15:44pm

re: #480 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

We have a couple of county ballot thingys.

One is to approve this: newlandco.com

I’m going to vote no. It’s just a way to encroach on Mt. Palomar and the area around it.

Current plan is for 99 houses, and the submitted changes raises that to two thousand or so.

I’m with the low-cost housing activists on this one. Building more suburbs that require long-distance commuting is just silly at this point.

I’m split on this. I think most people would prefer a single family home, if they could afford one. It’s one of the reasons so many are willing to deal with long ass commutes. Maybe the answer is to flip the equation on its head and instead look to build commercial office space in suburban areas and allow businesses to form satellite offices. I know, for example, there are a lot of law firms in southern California that have LA offices and Orange County offices.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:16:28pm

re: #482 KGxvi

There’s also the question of how many marginal voters he turns off. Remember in a “two person race” there are actually three options: Republican, Democrat, not voting. I think a Sanders-Trump general election would probably end up being a super low turn out election. And I’m not entirely sure who that would help, in part because of the electoral college.

If it turns into that, I think we have to run the election like it’s 2018: Concentrate on the downballot races.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:16:51pm

Vlad wants to pump more CO2 into the atmosphere:

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EPR-radar  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:17:49pm

re: #491 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Back in those innocent days before US business interests were fucking everything up in Latin America that they could.

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uriel  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:17:50pm

I did nazi that coming:

(ETA a better link)

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:18:04pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:18:46pm

re: #488 Targetpractice

That’s a large part of the arrogance on display in the Bernie camp, the idea that votes like mine are a given and it’s their votes that will make or break the party in November. It wasn’t the cities that Hillary lost in 2016, it was the rural areas where someone like Bernie would scare voters away.

Exactly. And lemme level here more, he’s not likable at all. I have never felt inspired listening to Bernie. And I as I said feel he’s sold many people my age or close to it a sham idea of what the President does. He’s either going to create unprecedented disappointment in young left wingers or create a left wing version of what Trump does. I’m a democrat first not an economic ideologue.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:19:01pm

re: #492 KGxvi

The proposed development, though, is a long commute from the center of the city of SD, or Orange county, and even farther from LA. The development only will drive up gasoline consumption, and light pollution.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:19:11pm

re: #496 uriel

i did natzi that coming:
rawstory.com

Pardon me? No him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:21:05pm

good fucking grief

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:21:09pm

re: #489 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The problem with Bernie and Paul/Trump is they’ve sold the Presidency as the chief ideologue in the country. TP can tell you but Northam was more moderate than Perriello is. I campaigned for both of them. Northam has probably governed the most progressive than any Virginia Democrat I can think of. Get a strong Democratic legislature and that along with an executive who understands Congress, we could get a lot accomplished.

IIRC, only 1 Bernie-supported candidate won in the whole of Virginia last November. The majority of the races where Dems flipped seats were with candidates to the right of Bernie and some even faced open hostility from “progressive” voters. And while Northam was to the right of Perriello, he was still dubbed a “socialist” by wingnut voters here and across the nation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:21:32pm

moron

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:22:19pm

re: #488 Targetpractice

That’s a large part of the arrogance on display in the Bernie camp, the idea that votes like mine are a given and it’s their votes that will make or break the party in November. It wasn’t the cities that Hillary lost in 2016, it was the rural areas where someone like Bernie would scare voters away.

I’ll be honest, I walked into the booth in 2016 not knowing what I was going to do with my vote. I thought about leaving it blank, I thought about voting for Johnson, and ultimately resigned myself to voting for Clinton. (Relax, I live in California, my vote wasn’t about to change anything). I’m pretty sure if it was Sanders-Trump, I’d leave it blank, or maybe vote for whatever crazy the Libertarians nominate. I’d also probably be looking at becoming an ex-pat at that point too, so… yeah.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:22:29pm

re: #503 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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History, rewritten while you wait!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:25:22pm

re: #502 Targetpractice

IIRC, only 1 Bernie-supported candidate won in the whole of Virginia last November. The majority of the races where Dems flipped seats were with candidates to the right of Bernie and some even faced open hostility from “progressive” voters. And while Northam was to the right of Perriello, he was still dubbed a “socialist” by wingnut voters here and across the nation.

Absolutely. Until Bernie starts prioritizing a lasting Democratic majority in Congress, I’m going to continue to see him as a conman who thinks only he can get it done. Oh and his surrogates suck too. Watching his spokeswoman lie about his and Bloomberg’s health. I felt like I was watching Bernie’s KAC. It’s a shame because I do think the nuances of what socialism actually is could be discussed better but someone rigid and as unlikable as Bernie is isn’t it.

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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:25:45pm

re: #504 KGxvi

I’ll be honest, I walked into the booth in 2016 not knowing what I was going to do with my vote. I thought about leaving it blank, I thought about voting for Johnson, and ultimately resigned myself to voting for Clinton. (Relax, I live in California, my vote wasn’t about to change anything). I’m pretty sure if it was Sanders-Trump, I’d leave it blank, or maybe vote for whatever crazy the Libertarians nominate. I’d also probably be looking at becoming an ex-pat at that point too, so… yeah.

I’m sort of in a state of limbo: I live in a purple state that’s seemingly getting bluer with each passing election, but I also live in a deep-red district that only recently elected a Dem to the House of Reps for the first time in ages. So I could probably split the difference, write-in Warren in the event of a Sanders-Trump election, and vote blue down the rest of the ballot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:26:07pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:26:17pm

re: #503 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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Count Dumbula.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:27:11pm

re: #499 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

The proposed development, though, is a long commute from the center of the city of SD, or Orange county, and even farther from LA. The development only will drive up gasoline consumption, and light pollution.

Understandable.

But part of my point is why not develop more commercial real estate near the proposed development so that the people who live in/near that development can have shorter commutes?

I don’t know, though, I’m just sort of spitballing… need to think more about this issue generally.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:28:38pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:28:52pm

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Compare to 2016, where the WH briefed Congressional Repubs on Russia’s election interference efforts and suggested a joint statement, only to be told that if the WH went public then not only would Repubs declare it “partisan” but would accuse them of being the ones tried to influence the election.

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KGxvi  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:29:19pm

re: #507 Targetpractice

I’m sort of in a state of limbo: I live in a purple state that’s seemingly getting bluer with each passing election, but I also live in a deep-red district that only recently elected a Dem to the House of Reps for the first time in ages. So I could probably split the difference, write-in Warren in the event of a Sanders-Trump election, and vote blue down the rest of the ballot.

My down ballot races are barely races. My state districts are super blue (living in Long Beach will do that). State Senator is running unopposed; Assemblyman has token opposition; Congress might see two Dems in the general. If it weren’t for the propositions, I could probably skip the general election with a fairly clean conscious.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:29:37pm

re: #507 Targetpractice

I’m sort of in a state of limbo: I live in a purple state that’s seemingly getting bluer with each passing election, but I also live in a deep-red district that only recently elected a Dem to the House of Reps for the first time in ages. So I could probably split the difference, write-in Warren in the event of a Sanders-Trump election, and vote blue down the rest of the ballot.

I’ll vote for Bernie and then groan because it’s been really nice having Wexton and nominating Bernie is going to hurt the gains we’ve made here. Bernie’s never shown any interest in expanding his coalition even among other like minded people. He’s just not interested in campaigning for other people and that’s so laughable for someone whose supporters think is FDR 2,0.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:30:12pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:30:22pm

re: #508 Backwoods_Sleuth

“They would have avoided angering Republicans.”

Jesus fucking Christ. This is NOT the Republican States of America, it’s the UNITED States of America. Why do we suddenly have to handle the GOP with kid gloves? Like, what the fuck?

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:31:17pm

re: #498 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Exactly. And lemme level here more, he’s not likable at all. I have never felt inspired listening to Bernie. And I as I said feel he’s sold many people my age or close to it a sham idea of what the President does. He’s either going to create unprecedented disappointment in young left wingers or create a left wing version of what Trump does. I’m a democrat first not an economic ideologue.

FWIW: The voters I know who support Bernie are all in their 50’s to 70’s.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:32:23pm

re: #515 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We got Alaska from them, they got a President from us. And yes they’re doing it again. I see it on FB and Twitter everyday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:33:17pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:33:44pm

re: #517 Hecuba’s daughter

FWIW: The voters I know who support Bernie are all in their 50’s to 70’s.

I know some in their late 20s to early 40s.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:34:19pm

re: #516 Eclectic Cyborg

“They would have avoided angering Republicans.”

Jesus fucking Christ. This is NOT the Republican States of America, it’s the UNITED States of America. Why do we suddenly have to handle the GOP with kid gloves? Like, what the fuck?

That’s what Republicans want.

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uriel  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:35:06pm

re: #500 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Pardon me? No him.

Sorry- I was referring to the way the nazi’s built up their airpower using private clubs, institutions and planes as the beginning of the Luftwaffle.

Story seemed similar.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:35:30pm

re: #517 Hecuba’s daughter

FWIW: The voters I know who support Bernie are all in their 50’s to 70’s.

And? I was talking about his young, idealistic supporters who are arguably his most zealous and my peers. I’m sorry. It just pisses me off as someone who gave a damn in 2008 while many of these cosplay comrades were embracing Ron Paul who is as anathema to Bernie’s economics as it gets but sold the same bs idea of himself as a savior who’s always been right.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:37:28pm

re: #520 Eclectic Cyborg

I know some in their late 20s to early 40s.

I’ve seen them in all ages but I was pretty clear in bringing up the younger ones because they’re the ones who really want the free college and debt forgiveness. And? I get it but I do not get acting like a 30 years in DC backbencher is the answer.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:38:55pm

re: #522 uriel

Sorry- I was referring to the way the nazi’s built up their airpower using private clubs, institutions and planes as the beginning of the Luftwaffle.

Story seemed similar.

And I was referring to trump pardoning Prince. That fucker needs to go to prison.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:39:08pm

re: #475 plansbandc

Arsenal got a nice away goal and win today. <3

Lacazette broke his famine last weekend and is feasting now!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:43:27pm
528
BeachDem  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:44:26pm

And she’s off—and most of the thread is downright depressing—this one guy tried to set her straight, but Berners don’t listen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:47:24pm
530
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:48:11pm

re: #528 BeachDem

And she’s off—and most of the thread is downright depressing—this one guy tried to set her straight, but Berners don’t listen.

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The minute the re: #528 BeachDem

And she’s off—and most of the thread is downright depressing—this one guy tried to set her straight, but Berners don’t listen.

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It’s their hypocrisy that angers me. I’m not bending my knee to them ever. I’ll vote for Bernie and then weep for the party I’ve done work for on and off since I was 17 being taken over by a guy who said JFK’s voice made him sick.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:50:18pm

re: #524 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ve seen them in all ages but I was pretty clear in bringing up the younger ones because they’re the ones who really want the free college and debt forgiveness. And? I get it but I do not get acting like a 30 years in DC backbencher is the answer.

Some of the older voters I know are as fanatic as any of the younger ones of your acquaintance. They rant on how the nomination was stolen from Bernie in 2016, have old posters of “Lock her up”, and repeatedly claim that the moderates have to come on board with them.

Think of Susan Sarandon and her ilk.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:52:19pm

re: #528 BeachDem

And she’s off—and most of the thread is downright depressing—this one guy tried to set her straight, but Berners don’t listen.

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Posted my comment before seeing yours.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:53:35pm

Sarandon told people to vote for Anderson in 1980 and Reagan got in.
Sarandon told people to vote for Nader in 2000 and Dumbya got in
Sarandon told people to vote for Stein in 2016 and Trump got in.

Sarandon should shut the fuck up.

534
goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:54:30pm

re: #458 EPR-radar

Was it the usual agitprop you would expect from any right-winger, or something more substantial?

Much more substantial, at least for the time period. Bibi appeared a rallies where Rabin was prominently depicted in a sniper’s reticle and an SS officer uniform, and openly said Rabin was “removed from Jewish values.”

535
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:55:26pm

re: #531 Hecuba’s daughter

Some of the older voters I know are as fanatic as any of the younger ones of your acquaintance. They rant on how the nomination was stolen from Bernie in 2016, have old posters of “Lock her up”, and repeatedly claim that the moderates have to come on board with them.

Think of Susan Sarandon and her ilk.

I know. But I was specifically talking about young idealists. Sarandon is a hack who pulled this shit in the Bush years. The younger voters I’m genuinely sad about because I take some pride in my generation but we can be just as stupid and pigheaded as anyone. That’s all I meant. I didn’t say all of Bernie’s voters were young but the ones that disappoint me most are young. Sarandon doesn’t disappoint me. She’s a paradigm of leftist hypocrisy.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:58:32pm

re: #515 Backwoods_Sleuth

Russia buying Donald Trump might have been the single greatest purchase ever made.

Sewers’ Folly

537
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:58:51pm

re: #534 goddamnedfrank

Much more substantial, at least for the time period. Bibi appeared a rallies where Rabin was prominently depicted in a sniper’s reticle and an SS officer uniform, and openly said Rabin was “removed from Jewish values.”

It was disturbing. I’ve seen people insist Jews can’t be fascists because of Nazism. It was a very fascist response to Rabin.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:59:40pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Feb 20, 2020 • 2:59:45pm

I’m starting to wonder about Sarandon’s ties to Russia.

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BeachDem  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:00:00pm

re: #530 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

The minute the

It’s their hypocrisy that angers me. I’m not bending my knee to them ever. I’ll vote for Bernie and then weep for the party I’ve done work for on and off since I was 17 being taken over by a guy who said JFK’s voice made him sick.

So comforting to know that JFK made both Bernie and Rick Santorum sick to their stomachs. Nice company to keep.
///

541
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:01:15pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

542
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:02:09pm

dammit

543
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:02:56pm

Evening Lizardim from the sunny and (for now, anyway) bitterly cold wild north country. Yet another eventful week in progress, as I woke up yesterday in the 0 degrees F (-17.8 degrees C) cold, my feet hit the floor… and I nearly screamed in shock at the cold. Looked over at the thermostat… 59 degrees. Fuck a duck, the furnace is out. Thankfully, we had heat for the deeply cold -17 degrees F (-27.2 degrees C) night last night. How go things among the lizardfolk this slightly less cold evening?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:03:05pm

Mre: #539 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

I’m starting to wonder about Sarandon’s ties to Russia.

I think she’s just a hack who can afford to be purer than thou. Occam or in this case Susan’s razor.

545
Eventual Carrion  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:04:20pm

re: #425 Patricia Kayden

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Tainted juror huh? You had tons of tainted jurors at your Senate trial, you didn’t seem to have a problem with that Donny boy.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:05:06pm

re: #540 BeachDem

So comforting to know that JFK made both Bernie and Rick Santorum sick to their stomachs. Nice company to keep.
///

I don’t have the rosy image of JFK I once did but he did a lot of good. Someone should ask Bernie if he still thinks that especially since he’s made out to be best thing we’ve had since FDR by his people.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:06:21pm

re: #541 Backwoods_Sleuth

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

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Exoneration. He has no idea what that word means. He just selectively gives out pardons to his lackeys.

548
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:14:37pm

BTW Russia openly backing Trump kinda puts a kibosh on the idea no ones been tougher on Russia than he has.

549
Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:15:14pm

re: #548 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

BTW Russia openly backing Trump kinda puts a kibosh on the idea no ones been tougher on Russia than he has.

If Russia doesn’t like you, they try to poison you or threaten to nuke you, not proclaim you as an ally.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:18:13pm

re: #549 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

If Russia doesn’t like you, they try to poison you or threaten to nuke you, not proclaim you as an ally.

Trump is basically Vlad’s new toy. Something that no Soviet ever thought they could have. A pawn who happens to be POTUS. It’s like the Manchurian Candidate but more absurd.

551
EPR-radar  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:18:53pm

re: #548 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

BTW Russia openly backing Trump kinda puts a kibosh on the idea no ones been tougher on Russia than he has.

Nobody takes Trump’s lies seriously, except the idiots of the both-sides media that have decided that providing drooling credulity for all Republican lies is their profession.

552
Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:20:00pm

We need a break…

The latest from zefrank:

True Facts: Mating Dance of The Peacock Spider (feat. Quinta Brunson)

553
EPR-radar  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:20:53pm

re: #550 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trump is basically Vlad’s new toy. Something that no Soviet ever thought they could have. A pawn who happens to be POTUS. It’s like the Manchurian Candidate but more absurd.

Putin’s ROI from Trump and the Republicans is literally incalculable. Everything the Soviet Union could never accomplish in the cold war is now being done by Trump and his stooges.

554
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:21:30pm

Lre: #551 EPR-radar

Nobody takes Trump’s lies seriously, except the idiots of the both-sides media that have decided that providing drooling credulity for all Republican lies is their profession.

I know. Be a nice ad tho of Putin backing Trump combined with Mitch blocking election security bills and bragging about being the Reaper tho.

555
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:21:57pm

re: #553 EPR-radar

Putin’s ROI from Trump and the Republicans is literally incalculable. Everything the Soviet Union could never accomplish in the cold war is now being done by Trump and his stooges.

It’s amazing isn’t it?

556
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:24:39pm
557
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:24:48pm

Lubbock’s “Mr. Conservative” just can’t figure it out.

Facebook Post

No, Don, not “infidels.” We call you heretics, quacks, charlatans, idolators, and cultists; but “infidel” is not a common part of our repertoire.

558
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:26:35pm
559
EPR-radar  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:27:00pm

re: #557 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump is a traitor*, and so is anyone who supports him.

(*) Common definition, not legal definition.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:28:05pm
561
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:29:44pm

re: #560 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Harris.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:32:44pm

re: #561 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Harris.

No one. I would have a talk with a few of them and try to get them to drop out.

563
LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:35:21pm

re: #562 Belafon

No one. I would have a talk with a few of them and try to get them to drop out.

I’m expecting to see that after Nevada and SC.

564
The Pie Overlord!  Feb 20, 2020 • 3:39:52pm

My surprise, let me show you it.

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William Lewis  Feb 20, 2020 • 4:33:31pm

re: #559 EPR-radar

Trump is a traitor*, and so is anyone who supports him.

(*) Common definition, not legal definition.

Objection: The acts by the Russian Federation to put him in office amount to acts of war, leaving the two nations in a defacto state of war. Thus he is a traitor by legal definition as well.


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