CDC Director Calls BS on Trump: COVID Vaccine Unlikely Before Next Year

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Donald Trump is telling the US there will be a vaccine for COVID-19 in a matter of weeks. He’s lying again, of course, and we all know it, but here’s Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control, not mincing any words.

Top Trump administration health officials testified Wednesday that a vaccine for COVID-19 is not likely to be widely available until next spring or summer, and that wearing a mask, in the words of Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Robert Redfield, remains “the most important, powerful public health tool we have.”

“I might even go so far as to say that this face mask is more guaranteed to protect me against COVID than when I take a COVID vaccine,” Redfield told a Senate panel on Wednesday.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:38:43am

GOTV. 12ga slug ammo is too damn high,

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:41:22am

Trump says vaccine is going to be ready is all the Trumpists will hear after Fox and OAN and the right wing echo chamber repeat it endlessly.

CDC Redfield’s refutation will get not nearly enough play, even though he’s the actual expert on such things.

Trump and the GOP think they can lie their way through a pandemic made exponentially worse due to their corruption, malfeasance, and cruelty.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:42:06am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:44:19am

Our Twitter click counter is working again, after I spent some time refactoring the code to use bitly’s new API.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:44:29am

And I’m like “who the hell are all these idiots that think we’ll be back to normal by sometime next year?”

That MIGHT have been possible (to an extent at least) if Trump hadn’t flushed everything down the toilet from the beginning, but not now.

The original vaccine estimates from back in Feb/Mar when this thing was JUST starting were 12-18 months. That means March 2021 at the EARLIEST and most likely not until Summer 2021.

And also, what about distribution?? Just because a vaccine is proven effective doesn’t mean there’s a billion doses ready to go and even if there is, there are plenty of tough ass logistics to straighten out to GET THOSE DOSES TO THE PEOPLE. Add probably another month for the vaccine to take effect until we can officially make the call of “okay, we’re good now.”

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:44:54am

re: #3 jaunte

It’s only a matter of time before Trump claims that he’s going to do another round of tax cuts, with no tax bill in Congress and no actual policy. He’s just going to announce it thinking that it’ll swing voters. That’s what he tried in 2018 (and failed). He’s a one trick pony.

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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:45:05am

re: #3 jaunte

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“Who’s working on it”

So trump lied. (Quells surprise, I know)

it wasn’t going to be ready in july. (in 2 weeks)

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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:46:36am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

And I’m like “who the hell are all these idiots that think we’ll be back to normal by sometime next year?”

That MIGHT have been possible (to an extent at least) if Trump hadn’t flushed everything down the toilet from the beginning, but not now.

The original vaccine estimates from back in Feb/Mar when this thing was JUST starting were 12-18 months. That means March 2021 at the EARLIEST and most likely not until Summer 2021.

And also, what about distribution?? Just because a vaccine is proven effective doesn’t mean there’s a billion doses ready to go and even if there is, there are plenty of tough ass logistics to straighten out to GET THOSE DOSES TO THE PEOPLE. Add probably another month for the vaccine to take effect until we can officially make the call of “okay, we’re good now.”

My guess is six months just to vaccinate those willing

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HRH Stanley Sea  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:47:33am
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Jay C  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:52:21am

re: #8 dangerman

My guess is six months just to vaccinate those willing

And the number of those “willing” is probably likely to decrease - possibly drastically - in the first few months of a Biden Administration as the RWNM gins up hysterical opposition to “the Democrat vaccine”…

(And the Q-nuts likely latching onto, and floating, some bizarre conspiracy theory about the vaccine that will make the “Bill Gates’ nanochip” nonsense look sober by comparison….)

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:52:42am

re: #9 HRH Stanley Sea

Not just lied and suppressed the video, but lied about the entire incident, lied about what Prude did, and then tried to blame Prude for his death when it was the actions of RPD officers who caused his death.

He suffered a mental health issue, and was killed by cops.

This is an all too frequent occurrence.

There’s also reports that AG James’ office didn’t handle this appropriately either (as the AG has oversight and ability to charge officers in these kinds of officer involved deaths). No one in the chain of command looks good here. We are failing our most vulnerable citizens.

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jeffreyw  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:53:18am

smoked pork mashed potatoes and gravy

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:53:40am

Also, if Trump gets re-elected, who the fuck knows how long we’ll be stuck with Covid?

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:55:03am
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Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:55:41am

Getting sick of slapping around a Twitter ignoramus. Back to work, but it just pisses me off that so many gullible RWNJs buy into the theory that antifa hordes with gas cans set all the wildfires in the western US.

Six law-enforcement agencies have debunked this but it keeps spreading on social media

Facebook delenda est

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:57:59am

Ya hate to see it:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:59:10am

re: #16 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

Ya hate to see it:

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That would be the same Israeli delegation that Trump shit all over when they demanded masks and social distancing during the photo ops and such.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 16, 2020 • 11:59:42am

Have to say that what concerns me about the vaccine were the reports that it might be only 50% effective at reducing transmission. So instead of a vaccine that is for some period is basically 100% effective, we end up with something that will require that we continue living in a partially opened economy for an indefinite period of time. Of course, if they develop a truly effective treatment, then we may be able to resume normal life. Or maybe the disease will mutate into a far less lethal strain.

The skyrocketing case numbers in Spain and France are very concerning — but deaths there still remain low — so maybe those cases represent the mild or asymptomatic patients who formerly were not counted,

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:00:54pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

The guy across the street from me is one of those educated, low information Republicans. I didn’t try to convince him to vote for Biden because he’ll have to come to that conclusion on his own, but we got onto the virus. When we talked about all of the stuff ending, his first statement was that it would happen right after the election. I didn’t press him on it, but it sounded like he had bought into the idea that this was being set up by Democrats and all Democrats would stop going after it right after the election, kind of like Republicans did with Ebola. I told him at the earliest, I expected things to change in March of next year. And I told him that while I support agressive attempts to get a vaccine, I wanted it to be safe, which once again meant next year. And I finally told him that it wold be health care workers, and probably the rich, who would get it first.

I think I got through to him a little.

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Jay C  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:01:56pm

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

That would be the same Israeli delegation that Trump shit all over when they demanded masks and social distancing during the photo ops and such.

Heh.
What’s Hebrew for “karma”?

But anyway, doesn’t Israel mandate a travelers’ quarantine in any case?
ISTR they clamped down on travel in/out after their COVID resurgence in recent weeks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:02:22pm

re: #19 Belafon

If this was all set up by Democrats to hurt Trump, why kill thousands of people all over the fucking planet? Wouldn’t it have been more targeted?

//

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:02:30pm

re: #18 Hecuba’s daughter

Have to say that what concerns me about the vaccine were the reports that it might be only 50% effective at reducing transmission. So instead of a vaccine that is for some period is basically 100% effective, we end up with something that will require that we continue living in a partially opened economy for an indefinite period of time. Of course, if they develop a truly effective treatment, then we may be able to resume normal life. Or maybe the disease will mutate into a far less lethal strain.

The skyrocketing case numbers in Spain and France are very concerning — but deaths there still remain low — so maybe those cases represent the mild or asymptomatic patients who formerly were not counted,

If we could immediately make half the population no longer carriers, that would significanly slow down the spread of the virus.

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teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:02:54pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

I noticed you got rid of the Facebook counter. That thing hasn’t worked in ages anyways. And Facebook is hot garbage, so…

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garzooma  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:03:41pm

re: #18 Hecuba’s daughter

Have to say that what concerns me about the vaccine were the reports that it might be only 50% effective at reducing transmission. So instead of a vaccine that is for some period is basically 100% effective, we end up with something that will require that we continue living in a partially opened economy for an indefinite period of time. Of course, if they develop a truly effective treatment, then we may be able to resume normal life. Or maybe the disease will mutate into a far less lethal strain.

The annual flu vaccine is like that. I remember being bemused on hearing that after I started getting them. The idea is just to reduce the transmission rate below 1.0. That way, the disease just naturally dies out. So it’s not so much about protecting you as it is about society protecting itself.

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:03:58pm

re: #20 Jay C

קארמה

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Jay C  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:05:22pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

If this was all set up by Democrats to hurt Trump, why kill thousands of people all over the fucking planet? Wouldn’t it have been more targeted?

//

No, because Democrats - obviously - don’t care about peoples’ lives: as long as they can exploit something - anything - to attack Donald Trump.

[even more /////]

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:06:07pm

re: #24 garzooma

Keep Rx below 1. Masking and social distancing can do that in the absence of a vaccine. But with enough people ignoring the rules/guidance, the Rx keeps pushing above 1, meaning we will continue to face outbreaks. NY just pushed back above 1 for first time in more than a month. That’s roughly in line with Labor Day being when the infections spread. With schools starting back up, it’s going to get rough…

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Nojay UK  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:06:45pm

re: #18 Hecuba’s daughter

Have to say that what concerns me about the vaccine were the reports that it might be only 50% effective at reducing transmission.

A 50% effective vaccine against SARS-Cov-2 right now would be a Godsend. There will be more and better vaccines in the future but they’re years away, this disease is here right now, it spreads easily and no-one is guaranteed immune — if someone suffered a severe case triggering a serious immune reaction then maybe they’re safe from a second case but a lot of folks who got through COVID-19 with some bed rest and a couple of weeks of discomfort are ripe for Round Two. Hell, a vaccine with 30% efficacy by March next year would be cause for celebration.

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:07:01pm

Charlie Kirk is an asshole.

Teenagers, some of them minors, are being paid to pump out the messages at the direction of Turning Point Action, an affiliate of Turning Point USA, the prominent conservative youth organization based in Phoenix, according to four people with independent knowledge of the effort. Their descriptions were confirmed by detailed notes from relatives of one of the teenagers who recorded conversations with him about the efforts. WaPo

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:08:44pm

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

That would be the same Israeli delegation that Trump shit all over when they demanded masks and social distancing during the photo ops and such.

LOL, and another welcome home present from Trump:

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teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:09:39pm
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Jay C  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:09:42pm

re: #25 lawhawk

תודה

But I was looking for the *idea*, not the transliteration (but I guess “karma” is a universal concept….) 😉

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:12:36pm

re: #18 Hecuba’s daughter

Have to say that what concerns me about the vaccine were the reports that it might be only 50% effective at reducing transmission. So instead of a vaccine that is for some period is basically 100% effective, we end up with something that will require that we continue living in a partially opened economy for an indefinite period of time. Of course, if they develop a truly effective treatment, then we may be able to resume normal life. Or maybe the disease will mutate into a far less lethal strain.

The skyrocketing case numbers in Spain and France are very concerning — but deaths there still remain low — so maybe those cases represent the mild or asymptomatic patients who formerly were not counted,

Even 50% effective will drop the rate of transmission below 1 once enough people are vaccinated, then the virus will fade out, and life return to close to normal. I’m going to keep wearing a facemask though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:12:43pm

Turning Point Action, whose 26-year-old leader, Charlie Kirk, delivered the opening speech at this year’s Republican National Convention, issued a statement from the group’s field director defending the social media campaign and saying any comparison to a troll farm was a “gross mischaracterization.”

“This is sincere political activism conducted by real people who passionately hold the beliefs they describe online, not an anonymous troll farm in Russia,” the field director, Austin Smith, said in the statement.

He said the operation reflected an attempt by Turning Point Action to maintain its advocacy despite the challenges presented by the coronavirus pandemic, which has curtailed many traditional political events.

“Like everyone else, Turning Point Action’s plans for nationwide in-person events and activities were completely disrupted by the pandemic,” Smith said. “Many positions TPA had planned for in field work were going to be completely cut, but TPA managed to reimagine these roles and working with our marketing partners, transitioned some to a virtual and online activist model.”

The group declined to make Kirk available for an interview.

Convenient how they stop believing Covid is a hoax when it becomes a handy excuse to explain shady behavior.

/

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:12:52pm

re: #11 lawhawk

Unfortunately in most English speaking countries, and America especially, mental illness is regarded as weakness and/or a lack of faith. Qualities that make the people suffering from mental illness as beneath contempt.

It’s not much better here in Canada, and as a sufferer of mental illness I can attest to that.

My personal opinion is that the isolation, both physical and cultural, is responsible for this attitude. “We’re special so we don’t have to be nice.” A fair bit of Puritanism has woven itself into our culture as well, and Puritans are not big on kindness.

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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:15:42pm

re: #10 Jay C

And the number of those “willing” is probably likely to decrease - possibly drastically - in the first few months of a Biden Administration as the RWNM gins up hysterical opposition to “the Democrat vaccine”…

(And the Q-nuts likely latching onto, and floating, some bizarre conspiracy theory about the vaccine that will make the “Bill Gates’ nanochip” nonsense look sober by comparison….)

indeed
and right now i dont care what the loons do (or don’t)
once im comfortable it’s safe and effective I and mine will be getting it
i dont care about the overall health of society as a whole, for the time being, as long as we’re protected

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:16:03pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

If this was all set up by Democrats to hurt Trump, why kill thousands of people all over the fucking planet? Wouldn’t it have been more targeted?

//

Its all a hoax; only 6% of fatalities are caused by the virus!

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gwangung  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:18:12pm

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

If this was all set up by Democrats to hurt Trump, why kill thousands of people all over the fucking planet? Wouldn’t it have been more targeted?

//

And, um, why are almost every other country in the world doing better, both health wise and economically, that the US?

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:18:55pm

re: #19 Belafon

The guy across the street from me is one of those educated, low information Republicans. I didn’t try to convince him to vote for Biden because he’ll have to come to that conclusion on his own, but we got onto the virus. When we talked about all of the stuff ending, his first statement was that it would happen right after the election. I didn’t press him on it, but it sounded like he had bought into the idea that this was being set up by Democrats and all Democrats would stop going after it right after the election, kind of like Republicans did with Ebola. I told him at the earliest, I expected things to change in March of next year. And I told him that while I support agressive attempts to get a vaccine, I wanted it to be safe, which once again meant next year. And I finally told him that it wold be health care workers, and probably the rich, who would get it first.

I think I got through to him a little.

Maybe you need to point out that this is a disease that is worldwide — that it’s not just Americans afflicted with it. Too many of these Trump supporters seem to think it’s something manipulated by the Democrats to defeat Trump, rather than a pandemic striking everywhere. And you could point out the countries that seemed to do really well in managing it.

Of course, if we had retained the pandemic response team, our programs to detect possible threats, and the doctors embedded in China to look for new emerging diseases, there might not be a pandemic on this order anyway. There is that infamous recording of Trump acting as though medical specialists are another part of the gig economy: See about :51 into the video: Trump Explained Why He Fired The White House Pandemic Team | NowThis

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teleskiguy  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:19:03pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:19:19pm

re: #38 gwangung

And, um, why are almost every other country in the world doing better, both health wise and economically, that the US?

TO MAKE TRUMP LOOK BAD!

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:19:33pm

re: #32 Jay C

Jewish theology does have a concept of what goes around comes around… and that tshuva and good deeds are ultimately rewarded (and rewarding in and of themselves).

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:25:03pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

An entire section of the span is missing. Construction barges cut loose and threaten other spans; this means long term trouble for the region.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:25:55pm

Any vaccine is going to find itself rejected by large parts of the population. It would still lower the transmission rate, but keep in mind that those idjits who reject the vaccine will also be likely to ignore or reject any other common-sense methods to reduce the spread of infections.

What we really need to get the economy and public life back in full swing is quick, reliable testing - one that produces results within minutes and can be used at all large gatherings and public events.

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gwangung  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:29:54pm

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Any vaccine is going to find itself rejected by large parts of the population. It would still lower the transmission rate, but keep in mind that those idjits who reject the vaccine will also be likely to ignore or reject any other common-sense methods to reduce the spread of infections.

What we really need to get the economy and public life back in full swing is quick, reliable testing - one that produces results within minutes and can be used at all large gatherings and public events.

And this is BEFORE we find out limitations in the virus (e.g., who shouldn’t take it, which groups have limited efficacy with it and so forth).

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:32:53pm

re: #44 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Any vaccine is going to find itself rejected by large parts of the population. It would still lower the transmission rate, but keep in mind that those idjits who reject the vaccine will also be likely to ignore or reject any other common-sense methods to reduce the spread of infections.

What we really need to get the economy and public life back in full swing is quick, reliable testing - one that produces results within minutes and can be used at all large gatherings and public events.

You’d still have to make people follow the rules on getting tested, by making people get tested, making them stay home and away from others. And you’d have to make businesses follow the rules on testing people. All problems that will be caused by the people who will more than likely not want to get vaccinated.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:33:51pm

The ending.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:35:07pm

re: #46 Belafon

You’d still have to make people follow the rules on getting tested, by making people get tested, making them stay home and away from others. And you’d have to make businesses follow the rules on testing people. All problems that will be caused by the people who will more than likely not want to get vaccinated.

And if it becomes a clusterfuck the distrust in other vaccines will spread way beyond the relatively small group of anti-vaxxers we have now.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:40:27pm

re: #48 Barefoot Grin

And if it becomes a clusterfuck the distrust in other vaccines will spread way beyond the relatively small group of anti-vaxxers we have now.

You know how, at the end of Contageon, they had troops stationed to check to see if you had been vaccinated. I’m not necessarily saying troops, but local governments and the police will need to enforce the rules. And I’m sure that will be a hoot to implement.

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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:46:04pm

re: #48 Barefoot Grin

And if it becomes a clusterfuck the distrust in other vaccines will spread way beyond the relatively small group of anti-vaxxers we have now.

fwiw if they muck this up so badly it becomes a clusterfuck, the distrust in other/future vaccines would be warranted

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:50:55pm

re: #46 Belafon

You’d still have to make people follow the rules on getting tested, by making people get tested, making them stay home and away from others. And you’d have to make businesses follow the rules on testing people. All problems that will be caused by the people who will more than likely not want to get vaccinated.

What we need is qualified, well planned and effective leadership on disease control. Something we have not had since even before Covid arrived here

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:51:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:53:19pm

I hope Joe has a Pandemic response team ready to go Day 1.

He’s going to need it.

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Jay C  Sep 16, 2020 • 12:54:26pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

I hope Joe has a Pandemic response team ready to go Day 1.

He’s going to need it.

Yes.
And it will make a good campaign point, as well.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:00:29pm
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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:00:47pm

re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #54 Jay C

oh yeah?
then why didnt he have a team ready to go a year ago??
this is all biden’s fault

//

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DodgerFan1988  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:01:03pm

They’re gonna “Burn in Hell.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:01:26pm

re: #47 GlutenFreeJesus

The ending.

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Dude. I was right there with him!

I might have to make that for my kids. 🤣

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:02:22pm

re: #15 Khal Wimpo (not drinking damn fish tank cleaner)

Anyone that needs a fire extinguisher gets a fire extinguisher.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:02:58pm

re: #49 Belafon

You know how, at the end of Contageon, they had troops stationed to check to see if you had been vaccinated. I’m not necessarily saying troops, but local governments and the police will need to enforce the rules. And I’m sure that will be a hoot to implement.

I see barricades manned by armed anti-vaxxers in our future.

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KGxvi  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:13:16pm

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What we need is qualified, well planned and effective leadership on disease control. Something we have not had since even before Covid arrived herenoon EST January 20, 2017

We haven’t had qualified, well planned, effective leadership in anything since Trump took the oath of office. It’s been shitshows all the way down.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:14:49pm

I’ve been talking that MIT COVID19 course. I’ve learned a lot already.

A small detail I wasn’t clear on: SARS-CoV-2 is the virus and COVID19 is the disease (vs SARS-CoV-1 as the virus and SARS as the disease).

I thought SARS-CoV-2 and COVID19 were interchangable.

Also, there are more than 1550 known viruses.

Yesterday’s lesson was by a guy I’m actually in awe of… I’m honored to have been given the opportunity to listen to him; Nobel laureate (from MIT and CalTech), David Baltimore.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:17:12pm

re: #57 DodgerFan1988

He looks like Biden’s anger translator, if Biden needed one.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:18:01pm

New Show Tomorrow. Thanks for your support.

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lawhawk  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:19:49pm
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KGxvi  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:21:33pm

re: #65 lawhawk

This was my personal favorite…

CLIP: President Obama’s Anger Translator (C-SPAN)

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:27:50pm

re: #66 KGxvi

This was my personal favorite…

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Video

Thanks for that, needed a laugh today!

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:28:52pm

Trump supporters are straight-up Nazis. That isn’t a slur. Just read the thread.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:30:52pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:30:54pm

re: #66 KGxvi

This was my personal favorite…

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Video

Now that’s how you do a legit “Third term” joke.

Man, I miss having an actual President.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:31:18pm

re: #68 Sherlock Hound

Trump supporters are straight-up Nazis. That isn’t a slur. Just read the thread.

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George Soros is the 21st century procols.

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nines09  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:39:51pm
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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:40:47pm

re: #68 Sherlock Hound

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:43:18pm
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plansbandc  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:43:33pm

Dirty. :D

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Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:45:38pm

Speaking of Joe Lansdale, he has a new short story available in full at the Nightmare Magazine website, and it is creepy as hell: The Folding Man.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:46:06pm

re: #73 jaunte

Sorry, can’t make it. I got another forest to burn.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:47:41pm

re: #74 jaunte

It’s good having white males that won’t take Fox’s crap. They’re the right color and gender to get in, and they’ll shock the people watching.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:50:02pm
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plansbandc  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:50:49pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:52:08pm

re: #20 Jay C

Heh.
What’s Hebrew for “karma”?

But anyway, doesn’t Israel mandate a travelers’ quarantine in any case?
ISTR they clamped down on travel in/out after their COVID resurgence in recent weeks.

השגחה פרטית

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Romantic Heretic  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:53:45pm

re: #79 Patricia Kayden

Oy vey iz mir. What a bunch of idiots.

And yet they are allowed to vote.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 16, 2020 • 1:59:57pm
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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:02:13pm

re: #10 Jay C

And the number of those “willing” is probably likely to decrease - possibly drastically - in the first few months of a Biden Administration as the RWNM gins up hysterical opposition to “the Democrat vaccine”…

(And the Q-nuts likely latching onto, and floating, some bizarre conspiracy theory about the vaccine that will make the “Bill Gates’ nanochip” nonsense look sober by comparison….)

They haven’t had much effect on the general public up to now, I see no reason to think this will work on anyone except the hard core.

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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:06:00pm

re: ‘shy’ trump voters
WAPO

Philip Bump: “A number of recent polls at the state level have measured both the presidential election and Senate races. If people were wary of revealing support for Trump specifically, it’s safe to assume that Trump would trail the Republican Senate candidates.”

“For the most part, though, the opposite is true.”

so if they’re participating in the poll and don’t support trump or actually lie and support biden, it would show in the poll

further (not in the article) when a pollster encounters someone who wont participate in the poll at all, they keep dialing til they get someone else - hence the polling model still works

there is no untapped market left.
and the pool of trump supporters who are also unwilling to participate in polls is far smaller than the actual true undecideds who participate.
there arent enough of them to skew all the polls.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:08:09pm

re: #24 garzooma

The annual flu vaccine is like that. I remember being bemused on hearing that after I started getting them. The idea is just to reduce the transmission rate below 1.0. That way, the disease just naturally dies out. So it’s not so much about protecting you as it is about society protecting itself.

Also to reduce the severity of your illness.

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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:10:41pm

re: #83 Patricia Kayden

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he was not ‘grilled’

he was asked questions about things he previously said and promised

though it was a bit rare in that the questioners were better than most of the WH reporters/media/journalists, etc

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:12:46pm

re: #33 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Even 50% effective will drop the rate of transmission below 1 once enough people are vaccinated, then the virus will fade out, and life return to close to normal. I’m going to keep wearing a facemask though.

Good idea. The flu comes back every year.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:16:21pm

re: #58 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

Dude. I was right there with him!

I might have to make that for my kids. 🤣

Let us know how it goes. lol

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m0nkeyb0y  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:17:57pm

re: #45 gwangung

And this is BEFORE we find out limitations in the virus (e.g., who shouldn’t take it, which groups have limited efficacy with it and so forth).

The US government has chosen three vaccine candidates to fund for Phase 3 trials under Operation Warp Speed (OWS) while this COVID-19 Vaccine Tracker tracks 46 current candidates worldwide

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gocart mozart  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:19:21pm
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William Lewis  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:20:46pm

Just to let anyone who is interested know, I posted yet another page of photos. Take a look and hopefully find something you like.

New Lens; Nearing Autumn

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m0nkeyb0y  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:20:48pm

re: #90 m0nkeyb0y

What are the chances that Trump has picked the safest and most efficacious vaccine, which may well be two different ones.

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William Lewis  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:23:16pm

re: #47 GlutenFreeJesus

The ending.

OH GAH, I just scared the cat. Like run to the opposite end of the house scared. hahahahahahhhhhahhah

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Jay C  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:23:29pm

re: #87 dangerman

he was not ‘grilled’

he was asked questions about things he previously said and promised

though it was a bit rare in that the questioners were better than most of the WH reporters/media/journalists, etc

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Well, Trump may have gotten a rare grilling- but he certainly ended up burned.

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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:24:34pm

re: #91 gocart mozart

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they dont know what any of the scare words actually mean

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:27:57pm

re: #92 William Lewis

Just to let anyone who is interested know, I posted yet another page of photos. Take a look and hopefully find something you like.

New Lens; Nearing Autumn

Lovely!!

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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:28:54pm

full post is coming soon
meanwhile

midweek #thegreatpoolpondconversion update:

We have fish

4 Comet Goldfish
1 XL Comet, split tail
3 Plecostomuses (Plecostomi?)

We’ll wait a month and see what happens before adding on.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:31:08pm

re: #98 dangerman

So long, and thanks for all the…nevermind.

/

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William Lewis  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:34:39pm

re: #98 dangerman

full post is coming soon
meanwhile

midweek #thegreatpoolpondconversion update:

We have fish

4 Comet Goldfish
1 XL Comet, split tail
3 Plecostomuses (Plecostomi?)

We’ll wait a month and see what happens before adding on.

The heron will be happy that you finally provided lunch ;)

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:39:09pm

I think Trump sees the way people respond to Joe and how he identifies with people who have similar experiences and backgrounds. Here’s Trump’s attempt to do the same.

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gocart mozart  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:39:44pm
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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:39:53pm

re: #96 dangerman

they dont know what any of the scare words actually mean

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Time to either challenge or remove some police officers for being unwilling to protect everyone.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:41:55pm

re: #101 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

Because all the worlds Jews only come from ONE country…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:42:44pm

today’s cooking lesson, courtesy of Bon Appétit:
Velveting Is the Chinese Technique That Takes Stir-Fries to the Next Level

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:42:44pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:43:06pm

So wait this cop basically straight up admitted he and his buddies are all Fascists?

Because that’s how I read this.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:44:50pm

re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg

Because all the worlds Jews only come from ONE country…

Ireland? ‘Cause the guy who unpacked our household goods in Herzliya had a definite Dublin brogue.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:47:31pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:49:58pm

He is a mob boss complaining about not getting his “cut”

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:50:30pm

McConnell is scared:

“I think the American people should know what it means if the Senate shifts control and you heard it. Eliminating the filibuster, D.C. statehood, Puerto Rican statehood and packing the courts. That’s what you get if you change the Senate,” McConnell said on Tuesday, asked if Republicans were highlighting these issues because they were worried they could lose the Senate.

Packing the courts. As compared to what he’s done.

thehill.com

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Jay C  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:50:38pm

re: #101 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

re: #104 Eclectic Cyborg

Gee, I wonder if there is anybody that might be able to explain to Mr. President that American Jews aren’t likely to allocate their votes based on clueless condescending (and borderline-prejudiced) bullshit like this “your country” crap?
Maybe his “Jewish daughter” can explain it to him…?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:50:44pm

I never cast a Democratic straight ticket ballot. That’s like swallowing a whole Reese’s Cup after one chew. I always go down the ballot, savoring every chance to vote Democratic.

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Patricia Kayden  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:51:26pm

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:51:52pm

re: #113 Decatur Deb

I never cast a Democratic straight ticket ballot. That’s like swallowing a whole Reese’s Cup after one chew. I always go down the ballot, savoring every chance to vote Democratic.

It also allows me to mentally complain about Democrats not running against everyone.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:52:19pm

re: #111 Belafon

“Eliminating the filibuster, D.C. statehood, Puerto Rican statehood”

I’m sorry, are these supposed to be bad things?

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Decatur Deb  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:53:53pm

re: #115 Belafon

It also allows me to mentally complain about Democrats not running against everyone.

There were 9-10 open elected judgeships on our state/county ballot. not one had a Dem contender.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:54:01pm

re: #111 Belafon

McConnell is scared:

Packing the courts. As compared to what he’s done.

thehill.com

I so hope McConnell is right! I chipped in for Harrison, Cunningham and Greenfield today.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:55:00pm
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A Cranky One  Sep 16, 2020 • 2:56:39pm

re: #98 dangerman

full post is coming soon
meanwhile

midweek #thegreatpoolpondconversion update:

We have fish

4 Comet Goldfish
1 XL Comet, split tail
3 Plecostomuses (Plecostomi?)

We’ll wait a month and see what happens before adding on.

Don’t be koi about your plans.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:01:04pm

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

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So wait this cop basically straight up admitted he and his buddies are all Fascists?

Because that’s how I read this.

I think it’s time the DA and others challenge the cops that way: “Are you saying you’re fascist?”

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:01:09pm

Go Kanye Go!

Yep, it would be a crying shame!

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:02:02pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

today’s cooking lesson, courtesy of Bon Appétit:
Velveting Is the Chinese Technique That Takes Stir-Fries to the Next Level

I’ll admit that when I saw this title with “stir-fries” I pictured dumping frozen Ore-ida fries into a mad-hot wok.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:02:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:04:12pm

JFC

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:04:31pm

re: #120 A Cranky One

Don’t be koi about your plans.

Look, I hate to carp, but….

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plansbandc  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:04:36pm

A little sample of the shit that’s posted in my local lunatic trumpster troll site on FB

(Name redacted) the only thing it’s far right of is the idiots who actually believe in it. You keep your white guilt to yourself. Everyone who isn’t a lunatic knows that “white privilege” is a construct of leftists to deal with their overwhelming feelings of racism. The rest of us sleep well at night knowing we aren’t racists. Democrats are still mad they got scolded by society and their slaves taken away.

(Denying racism and white privilege, in case that wasn’t clear)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:05:51pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:08:02pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s like she’s Ivanka with darker hair.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:08:02pm

uh,,,,WTF????

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:08:48pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

uh,,,,WTF????

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As if the rest of the world didn’t fucking hate us enough already at this point…

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:10:09pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

As if the rest of the world didn’t fucking hate us enough already at this point…

Holding Trumpco accountable is a matter of national security.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:10:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:10:59pm
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Jay C  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:11:40pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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OK, What The Almighty Fuck?

Dominic Raab is the British Government’s Foreign Secretary ( and has been for 14 months) - and he has apparently never read the Good Friday Agreement?!?!
Only one of the most-important documents in recent Anglo-Irish history?
Man…

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:11:50pm

re: #98 dangerman

full post is coming soon
meanwhile

midweek #thegreatpoolpondconversion update:

We have fish

4 Comet Goldfish
1 XL Comet, split tail
3 Plecostomuses (Plecostomi?)

We’ll wait a month and see what happens before adding on.

What about Yvette? Has she returned?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:12:19pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s all about getting his cut.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:13:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:14:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:15:14pm
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plansbandc  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:15:21pm

I kind of want to kill that troll group, but it’s a good place to keep an eye on the batshit insane right/fascists. Also, I report posts as often as possible.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:15:48pm

re: #127 plansbandc

A little sample of the shit that’s posted in my local lunatic trumpster troll site on FB

(Name redacted) the only thing it’s far right of is the idiots who actually believe in it. You keep your white guilt to yourself. Everyone who isn’t a lunatic knows that “white privilege” is a construct of leftists to deal with their overwhelming feelings of racism. The rest of us sleep well at night knowing we aren’t racists. Democrats are still mad they got scolded by society and their slaves taken away.

“So, we can take down the statues, and get rid of all of the Confederate flags, right?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:16:30pm
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Kilroy was here  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:17:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:17:37pm
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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:17:49pm

It’s all the testing they do. If they didn’t test so often, they wouldn’t know.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:18:29pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

Here is Donald Trump with both hands on his favorite @OANN reporter who once again asked him a pre-arranged and set up question.

OAN is a joke.

@ChanelRion is a joke.

And their set up questions during WH briefing are a joke

And no masks, no social distancing.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:18:36pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Trump is out here making up calls from world leaders who purportedly privately praise his coronavirus response

He HAS a girlfriend world leader—she goes to school in Germany.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:18:42pm
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Kilroy was here  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:18:56pm

Shy voters my ass

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:19:40pm
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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:20:16pm

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

As if the rest of the world didn’t fucking hate us enough already at this point…

I wonder if DT realizes what that leaves him open to. And Javanka, too, of course.

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calochortus  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:20:58pm

re: #146 jaunte

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It’s all the testing they do. If they didn’t test so often, they wouldn’t know.

So why don’t they protect the president by stopping testing of people around him. No Covid. No problem.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:21:27pm

re: #153 calochortus

Obvious liar is obvious.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:21:41pm

re: #146 jaunte

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It’s all the testing they do. If they didn’t test so often, they wouldn’t know.

I wish some reporter would ask him that.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:21:48pm

A friend of mine just referenced 7th and Hennepin in Minneapolis. Anyone know the connection? (I do, though I’m not from there).

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calochortus  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:22:07pm

Also, an astonishing number of people are disagreeing with Trump publicly and then coming up to him privately to admit that Trump is really right. Almost an epidemic of that going on it seems.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:23:15pm

re: #156 Barefoot Grin

Heart of downtown?

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Kilroy was here  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:23:56pm

Good answer

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:24:46pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:25:00pm

Murph the Surf died today. I lived a half block from the Natural History when he ripped off the Star of India.

Jack ‘Murf the Surf’ Murphy, famed jewel thief and surfer, dead at 83
tampabay.com

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:28:01pm

re: #159 Kilroy was here

Good answer

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That’s what Harris said the other day, and people tried to spin it like she doesn’t trust vaccines.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:28:07pm

re: #158 jaunte

Heart of downtown?

Yes. Though, I only know of the place because a friend of mine who played in bands worked there and I visited him in the late 1980s.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:29:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:31:06pm
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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:31:59pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Not anybody that was near me” like that’s how transmission works.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:33:10pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He said the same thing about the risks of the indoor event in Henderson, NV: ‘I’m not too worried; everyone will be far away from me.’

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:34:50pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s going to get him to eventually and he’s going to expect us to feel pity for “your favorite President.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:35:01pm
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Decatur Deb  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:37:08pm

re: #168 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s going to get him to eventually and he’s going to expect us to feel pity for “your favorite President.”

My favorite president is going to outlive Trump, and go on driving nails into simple, affordable houses.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:38:11pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

My favorite president is going to outlive Trump, and go on driving nails into simple, affordable houses.

I expect mine do to the same.

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:42:57pm

re: #165 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We know that’s true from Trump’s white line at his rally.

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Jay C  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:47:38pm

re: #159 Kilroy was here

Good answer

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Yeah,I just saw Biden’s response on the news: IMO, he missed an opportunity to swat down the question as making it completely sure that the is wasn’t about *him* - and mostly about the science (I.e. the reality of the pandemic) , but fine for now.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:48:51pm

re: #172 Belafon

We know that’s true from Trump’s white line at his rally.

Wait, which one?

The one on the floor separating him from the unwashed masses, or the one he did backstage before they sent him lurching out?

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:49:57pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Scenario: A self-described “Q” supporter assassinates a US official.
Statement: “It isn’t touch football.”

No, it’s not, and that’s all I can say.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:51:44pm

re: #174 i(m)p(each)sos

Wait, which one?

The one on the floor separating him from the unwashed masses, or the one he did backstage before they sent him lurching out?

The one that greets him at the airport hangars.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:52:06pm

re: #175 Sherlock Hound

Disclaimer: Kushner never played touch football.

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Ace Rothstein  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:55:47pm

Not a single question about the forced hysterectomies of those immigrant women.

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KGxvi  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:57:37pm

re: #177 jaunte

Disclaimer: Kushner never played touch football.

Kushner is the sort that if he was involved in a touch football game would receive a few too many tough blocks… probably blindside blocks

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:58:52pm
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Vote Cthulhu - No longer the greater evil!  Sep 16, 2020 • 3:59:25pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

uh,,,,WTF????

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I fully expect that the Trump White House doesn’t have a problem with using assassinations as a tool of domestic policy either.

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KGxvi  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:01:24pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yes, using a tool that is traditionally the sort of thing that kicks of major wars is definitely a very good idea…

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:04:07pm

re: #182 KGxvi

Yes, using a tool that is traditionally the sort of thing that kicks of major wars is definitely a very good idea…

Gavrilo Princip, call your office.

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Hecuba's daughter  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:07:48pm

re: #182 KGxvi

Yes, using a tool that is traditionally the sort of thing that kicks of major wars is definitely a very good idea…

We did assassinate the top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani at the beginning of this year. They haven’t yet really struck back, but then maybe they are watching us disintegrate under Trump and they figure there’s no need for more aggressive action.

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mmmirele  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:08:57pm

Ok, I read the topic as “CDC Director calls Balls on Trump COVID Vaccine Unlikely Before Next Year.”

So I got it wrong, but I think I’m right…

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KGxvi  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:09:47pm

re: #183 Sherlock Hound

Gavrilo Princip, call your office.

Still always amazes me how one bullet changed the entire course of world history.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:11:07pm
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KGxvi  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:11:36pm

re: #184 Hecuba’s daughter

We did assassinate the top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani at the beginning of this year. They haven’t yet really struck back, but then maybe they are watching us disintegrate under Trump and they figure there’s no need for more aggressive action.

Not that I would have expected Republicans to vote for it, but it should have been one of several articles of impeachment against the orange idiot.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:21:19pm
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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:22:29pm

re: #184 Hecuba’s daughter

We did assassinate the top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani at the beginning of this year. They haven’t yet really struck back, but then maybe they are watching us disintegrate under Trump and they figure there’s no need for more aggressive action.

IIRC, Iran recently threatened to assassinate the US Ambassador to South Africa.

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Barefoot Grin  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:22:39pm

I wonder if a “murder” of scientist was gearing up to come at them with numerous whistleblower charges.

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b.d. (Competence 2020!)  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:26:29pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:28:54pm

re: #192 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

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Top 5, per NYT:

New York
New Jersey
Texas
California
Florida

Try again, tangerine wankmaggot.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:30:18pm

re: #192 b.d. (Competence 2020!)

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Also, that may have been true at the beginning; it isn’t now.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:32:47pm
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jeffreyw  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:36:36pm

re: #184 Hecuba’s daughter

We did assassinate the top Iranian general Qasem Soleimani at the beginning of this year. They haven’t yet really struck back, but then maybe they are watching us disintegrate under Trump and they figure there’s no need for more aggressive action.

They are getting their revenge by leaving Donald be.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:39:29pm

re: #196 jeffreyw

“Never interrupt your enemy when he has elected a mistake.”

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:41:07pm

re: #195 jaunte

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:46:11pm

Short and to the point.

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:50:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:52:21pm

re: #190 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

IIRC, Iran recently threatened to assassinate the US Ambassador to South Africa.

the designer handbag lady

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Belafon  Sep 16, 2020 • 4:59:25pm

re: #200 jaunte

It seems her group does this a lot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:00:51pm

re: #200 jaunte

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:03:18pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Does Kellyanne Conway have a twin sister?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:04:27pm

re: #204 The Pie Overlord!

Does Kellyanne Conway have a twin sister demon?

ask satan

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:05:11pm
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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:05:47pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

Grifters Gone Wild

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:06:08pm

re: #203 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Lenka was born and raised in a doctor family outside of Prague, Czech Republic. Since a little girl she was dealing with all kinds of health issues, stress and anxiety. … Lenka built cancer in her body and realized she had to take health into her own hands.

from her website…I refuse to link it here

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:08:11pm

Coverup under way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:08:14pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:09:17pm

re: #209 jaunte

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Coverup under way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:10:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:11:08pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:12:06pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is such a beautiful picture.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:13:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:15:36pm

imma gonna guess that meth is involved…

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Sherlock Hound  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:15:43pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’ve wondered what medical facilities are in the vicinity of ICE detention centers. Anyone getting surgery (involuntarily) has to be going somewhere, since the centers don’t do those medical procedures.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:17:27pm
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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:17:33pm
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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:18:07pm
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PhillyPretzel  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:19:51pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stop NJ’s vote? Oy Vey DT is really something else. NJ will not like that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:19:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:20:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:21:44pm
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Ace Rothstein  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:21:55pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

Florida woman.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:22:56pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is what was in WaPo. I even saved the story. I am getting a case of whiplash from all of the changes that are occurring so DT’s feelings are not hurt. DT should man up.

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gocart mozart  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:32:26pm

...

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:33:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:36:33pm
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plansbandc  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:38:40pm

re: #219 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

This makes me nauseous.

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gocart mozart  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:39:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:40:03pm

O_o

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:40:03pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Soon to be former CDC director issues statement.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:41:33pm

re: #233 Kamrade Teddy’s Person

Yes. That is how DT likes to do it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:41:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:44:46pm
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:45:10pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Coal miners like being treated like delinquent tenants.//

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:47:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:47:39pm

that dog just radiates happy in every freaking direction

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:49:01pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

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that dog just radiates happy in every freaking direction

No malbarkey here rolks.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:49:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:51:35pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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some people are beyond weird

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:52:17pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah how dare Soros use his money to influence politics. Funny how the people who love Citizens United hate when it’s used against them.

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Kamrade Teddy's Person  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:53:24pm

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Hey, those unlimited corporate donations and super PACs were supposed to help Republicans. How dare Democrats participate in politics using the same tools as Republicans. ///

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:53:37pm

niterz, lizardz!

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 16, 2020 • 5:56:01pm

This Trumporrhoid fucker is running against Rashida Tlaib in MI 13th district. His Twitter TL is full of insane nazi shit and he has the chutzpah to label her an anti-Semite.

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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:01:15pm

re: #136 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

What about Yvette? Has she returned?

not in a week

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:01:25pm
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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:10:25pm
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mmmirele  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:11:25pm

New Joe Biden commercial.

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Broad With Sass  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:11:59pm

re: #98 dangerman

You know the plecos will grow as big as the environment allows them, correct? I have seen some 2 feet long in an indoor pond

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:16:23pm
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A Cranky One  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:20:01pm

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:20:56pm

Professor Underpants! 😂😂😂

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:21:26pm

re: #247 dangerman

not in a week

But she did come back before?

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mmmirele  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:23:36pm

re: #217 Sherlock Hound

I’ve wondered what medical facilities are in the vicinity of ICE detention centers. Anyone getting surgery (involuntarily) has to be going somewhere, since the centers don’t do those medical procedures.

Many ICE detention centers are out in rural areas. That’s how they end up there, because local jurisdictions are *desperate* for jobs, even these jobs. The Irwin County Detention Center is located in an area that is smack in the middle of a pentagon formed by Jacksonville, FL, Tallahassee, FL, Columbus GA, Atlanta, GA and Savannah, GA. It is the sticks.

I also looked to see if a hysterectomy could be done as an outpatient procedure and the answer is, why yes, it can be done as a day procedure if it is a so called laparoscopic or keyhole surgery. And the local hospital, Irwin County Hospital, does perform hysterectomies (doesn’t say laparoscopic or other).

irwincntyhospital.com

I still have questions about whether this is actually happening, but I am pretty darn *certain* that detainees are receiving crap medical care. If we can’t even treat jailed citizens like human beings (I’m looking at you, Arizona), what makes anyone think we’re going to treat ICE detainees any better???

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dangerman  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:26:19pm

re: #255 Yeah Sure WhatEVs

But she did come back before?

yes two visits about a week apart
I’d say she’s due

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The Pie Overlord!  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:28:05pm

Cats on a Plane (thread)

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jaunte  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:29:26pm

re: #258 The Pie Overlord!

I guarantee you all three cats are holed up somewhere comfortable, enjoying the chaos.

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NetworkKed  Sep 16, 2020 • 6:38:19pm

So 538 has ticked over to 76-1-23 today. This seems to be on some good state polling (I don’t see now MN can be considered competitive at this point, and WI is getting there fast).

Ohio, Texas, Georgia numbers are close-ish, but I don’t really expect to see wins there unless it’s a total wipeout. PA is looking good. Florida is light blue on my internal map, but I expect we won’t know until election day.

I see the election something like this: 270towin.com

Note that Biden wins without Ohio, and without Florida. And can lose either Arizona or Pennsylvania and still get over the line. And has plenty of bonus states. Though I really don’t want him to be showing up at the EC vote with 270…


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