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Wed, Mar 10, 2004 at 11:19:35 am PST

Here’s a great piece on Defending America by British writer and political candidate Benedict Rogers. (Hat tip: Right Wing Conspirator.)

“Americans are the friendliest people you will encounter, but they have few friends,” writes Dinesh D’Souza in his best-selling book What’s So Great About America. There’s a lot of truth in that. The growth of anti-Americanism, and in particular anti-Bushism, in Europe is frightening and, for me, incomprehensible. For the past six months I have lived in Washington, D.C. It has been a profoundly revealing time for me. Before I came here from my native England, I was apathetic about America—I didn’t hate Americans, but I wasn’t overly enthusiastic either. Now, however, having tasted what this great nation has to offer, I return to Europe with a reluctance I had not expected. In fact I dread returning to the woolly-minded, dictator-coddling, morally bankrupt, decadent continent. And I return determined to defend the nation that is, rightly, our best friend.

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1 Let's Roll  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:21:34am

Bravo! I wish more Euros felt this way and respected the country that saved their asses.

2 Roll-aid  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:23:23am
In fact I dread returning to the woolly-minded, dictator-coddling, morally bankrupt, decadent continent. And I return determined to defend the nation that is, rightly, our best friend.

We should be welcoming people like this with open arms.

3 robo11  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:25:48am

Maybe we should start an exchange program to get more "woolly minded" Euroweenies over here to give them a dose of reality.

4 Necklace of shoes  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:27:22am

He will be defending the US from people undoubtedly on vacation.

5 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:31:40am

By Jove-I think he's got it!

6 axiom aka Malik al-Mulook  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:37:33am

Is that another British convert? Sullivan and Hitchens both say they don't want to live in anywhere other than the United States.

I think the exchange thing sounds great.

7 Buckaroo  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:38:02am

And to think he lived in D.C. and came away with positive thoughts -- just imagine if he'd been someplace really cool like Texas!
:-)

(ducking in anticipation of pointless regional flame war)

8 Necklace of shoes  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:41:27am

OT VP Cheney's Gridiron speech. Pretty comical.

[Link: www.theweeklystandard.com...]

9 Joel  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:41:58am

If I were President of the USA I would go on radio beamed to Old Europe and invite all young people who have ambition, drive, know how, entrepreneurship to come to America. People who are interested in more then just how many vacation days are due them. I would tell them that the greatness of America is that it gurantees you nothing but the chance to achieve success. The rest of Old Europe will become in Napoleon's words "a nation (or continent) of shop keepers."

10 Artisticulated  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:42:25am

This man has obviously brainwashed. Call the deprogramming team STAT!

/sarc

11 Michael in Ohio  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:42:49am
Buckaroo said:
just imagine if he'd been someplace really cool like Texas!

Texas has nothing on Ohio!

12 Artisticulated  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:43:21am

calling Mr. (oops I missed the) been!

13 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:43:38am
14 RC neo-Jew  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:44:51am

If he wants to avoid some particularly bad examples of

woolly-minded, dictator-coddling, morally bankrupt, decadent


Europeans, he'd better avoid this performance, to take place at The Royal Geographical Society in London:

"From Deir Yassin to the Wall".

15 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:45:32am
16 Artisticulated  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:46:25am

#11 Michael in Ohio

They do have one thing Mike, it's called a dry heat! ;-)

P.S. I'm Ohio born and raised and proud of it! Go Bucks!

17 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:46:51am
18 Let's Roll  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:48:00am

OT -- Okay, I give up. We need to use the bigel solution.

Fatwa issued for singing Vande Mataram

India: Fifty-four pro-BJP Muslims were excommunicated and their marriages nullified by a local Mufti after they reportedly expressed the view that singing of Vande Mataram was not un-Islamic, a fatwa which has sent ripples in the community.

While issuing the fatwa, Mufti Abdul Quddus Rumi declared that singing of the national song "would lead them (Muslims) to hell."

It was wrong for Muslims to sing Vande Mataram, the Mufti said, adding those advocating the song were deviating from the religion.

19 Barry  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:49:33am

It seems you guys are in doubt and have to have an alien remind you of US plusses.

There are lots
of us out here who have known it and strangely never questioned the fact.
Did you guys let Chirac and his losers get to you?

Funny, now the EU, after convincing you guys that nobody loves you, is trying to convince Israelis that Israelis actually love Europe :
Survey: 85% of Israelis wish to join "anti-Semitic" EU

The poll was ordered by the European Commission Delegation to Israel.

Have as much faith in yourselves as we have had all these years, and forget the "neighbors".

20 Buckaroo  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:50:40am

#9

A big amen to that -- of course that might accelerate the "lurching towards shari'a" back on the Continent tho ...

21 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:51:02am
22 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:52:02am

#14 RC Neo Jew

What a sickening excuse for "theatre". Don't these people realize how pathetic and mind-numbing it is when they pull out the DEIR YASSIN boogeyman and for the rest of the LLL's to go "amen".

I wish they would stick their heads further up their asses, to sniff something other than that ridiculously overrated "attrocity" card.

23 Let's Roll  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:53:39am

OT -- America, land of the Ashcroft-haters

Those oh-so-compassionate liberals could hardly contain their glee upon hearing the news that Attorney General John Ashcroft is suffering from a severe case of gallstone pancreatitis.

"He has it coming. He is utterly sub-human and evil. Suffer, bastard," gloated an Internet user on the DemocraticUnderground.com website. "[T]he world would be better off without him," responded another writer on the forum. "I hope he is in the most severe pain a human being can suffer, and after that, I hope he remains in constant pain with no hope of relief," chimed in yet another bleeding-heart Democrat. Out in Hollywood, comedian Bill Maher echoed these unsparing sentiments during his HBO talk-show monologue, speculating that Ashcroft contracted his unimaginably painful and potentially deadly illness from "wiping his [expletive] with the Bill of Rights." The audience roared with laughter.

It is not the incivility of the Ashcroft-haters that galls me. It is the unmitigated insipidity and apathy they display toward what this man and his department have done to protect their right to be free, safe and stupid.

I love Michelle Malkin. For several reasons.

24 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:54:19am
25 SoCalJustice  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:54:31am
dictator-coddling

Hardly a condition specific to our European cousins.

Two words:

Saudi Arabia.

26 Artisticulated  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:54:36am

The comment by Let's Roll raises a question I hope someone would answer for me, Bigel, I'm looking your way. With all of these fatwas being issued, is there a marked increase in them around the world? In otherwords, what's the average FPM (fatwas per month)? Ballpark it if someone can.

THANKS!

27 Atomic Redneck, Happy Spud  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:55:22am

Smit (IIRC) was asking the other day how a Brit could get into the US. For anyone that is interested, BNFL is currently performing a large nuclear cleanup project in Idaho. If you're willing to go to Idaho, BNFL would probably hire you and send you to the States.

Honestly, Idaho isn't as bad as the media makes it sound. It's really great.

28 Joel  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:55:36am

#20 Buckaroo you are right. However sharia is coming to Europe because the majority of the Europeans are secularists who have no confidence or pride in their culture. Also I would like the USA to get all the great art from the museums of Old Europe because the jihadis will burn them in another great "bonfire of the vanities."

29 Barry  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:56:41am

# 21 Bigel

You are not meant to believe it. "They" want you to believe it. Like their poll that Israel was the biggest threat to world peace.

Can one imagine voting in favour of everything bad for the country?

30 bigel[deleted]  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:57:32am
31 Moonbat_One  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:58:40am

Reminds me of that Seinfeld episode where Jerry thinks to himself, "My mother WAS right; I'm a good boy."

32 Buckaroo  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 9:59:12am

#28 Joel

To re-raise a long-time question of Charles -- who will be the first EU country to adopt shari'a? And when?

(That way we know which paintings & statues should be first on the list to have, say, Rupert Murdoch buy up and send Down Under)
:-)

33 Ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:02:08am

OT: Sorry folks,

#7 Buckaroo

Hey Buckaroo, you're from Texas? What's Amarillo like?
Nice city?

34 Motti  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:02:59am

##19, 21

Every Israeli I know (and I've lived in Israel for more than 30 years now) think that the EU is implacably anti-Israel and anti-Semitic. 85% of Israelis want Israel to join the EU so that we can buy unlimited duty free goods in Europe on shopping trips.

35 theDevil!  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:03:45am
On a spiritual level, there’s an openness to and respect for Christianity that is completely contrary to the atmosphere in Britain and the rest of Europe. On the street where I lived there’s a church on almost every third or fourth block. People shamelessly read their Bibles on the buses and preach in the open air. Outside Union Station, a man daily sings hymns through a microphone.

WOW, is DC really this 'jesus freaked' out?

Christian politicians who pursue international justice issues—consistently and persistently—is inspiring. Men like Senators Sam Brownback and Rick Santorum, along with Congressmen Frank Wolf, Chris Smith, and Joseph Pitts, to name a few

Brownback is the scourge of modern medical science and Santorum apparently wants women to go to the alley for abortions.

They are nothing to be proud of.

But do you get the context in Washington? To get these nuts to fight you have to trick them. They can no longer just launch the military and destroy the enemy. They have to 'do good' and impart democracy to the savages.

This what we are stuck with though.

36 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:04:04am

#33 Ronnie

Flat and Dry.

:P

37 Civilized European Decendent  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:06:29am

Note to #30 bigel: "Western Civilization" including the USofA, which has provided you the means to make that asinine statement IS "European Civilization".

Get over yourself.

38 RC neo-Jew  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:07:50am

#17 bigel

How about it RC? Any consideration of going for a USA immigrant visa?

No, thanks - I'll continue to do what I can over here. It might not be much, but maybe it helps. The more anti-antisemitic and pro-Israel voices, the better. Don't want the antisemites to win.

Anyway, according to this UK Jewish website, New York is becoming a hotbed of antisemitism!

Maybe you should come over here. Then you could attend that 'performance' - with a large bag of rotten tomatoes.

39 theDevil!  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:09:46am

War has become a social program to our DC bible thumping nuts.

But Kerry would be worse.

You're right camel prophet, these people make another attack almost a certainty.

40 Matt  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:11:17am

My only complaint would be his comment about the US stripping terrorists of their legal rights. Yo, Benedict, they don't have any since they fought us out of uniform.
-matt

41 Buckaroo  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:12:11am

#33 Ronnie

I'm a longtime Michiganian currently in Hawaii. But I know there are regulars here who are Texans and I figured this was way too juicy a bait to pass up for a little fun!

You could add up the total time I've ever been in D.C. and Texas and it would be measured in hours, but frankly both places seemed OK; Tho D.C. certainly had a more crowded, "colder" feel to it ...

42 amir  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:13:03am

#19, #21, #34

I believe that 85% of Israelis want to be in the EU.
The thing is, when your hated so much, you eventually blame yourself and then desperately seek the acceptance of those who think you are vile.
Israelis want very desperatwely to be accepted by the europeans, the arabs etc.
There are Israelis that think israel should try to join the Arab league.

It's a sad situation.

I remeber when Demanjuke (sp?) was acquitted. A reporter asked his son what is his opinion of Israel's judicial system. I nearly puked. Asking a Nazi's son for some sort of approvement.

43 Ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:13:38am

#36 RIP Ford

Thanks! How about the people there... majority 'down-home' common sense folks, or a bunch of up-tight activist a**holes? I live on the west coast...gotta get outta here...it pulls a 28.5 inch vacuum! LOL!

44 RC neo-Jew  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:18:37am

Oh, here's another nasty little something from that website I linked to above - trying to make the equation: Deir Yassin = the Holocaust.

Also, trying to pretend that most innocent of peoples, the Palestinians, had nothing to do with the Holocaust. But we know better, don't we, LGF readers?

45 Ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:20:36am

#41 Buckaroo

Yeah. I spent 5+ years in Rotton Groton years back. Cold is a good word to discribe the atmosphere. Buildings come and buildings go: and I can't change the weather. It's the 'people' that are the important aspect in any city!

46 Barry  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:20:58am

# 34 Motti

More fool them as being a member of the EU is just going to do away with duty free goods, increase the price of everything.
Just ask the Portuguese, Spaniards and Greeks.

I have family who are suffering with a horrible increased cost of living.

47 quark2  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:21:44am

@27 Atomic Redneck, et al

Are you kidding? I would love to live in Idaho! It's one of the most beautiful areas in the world! They have a great equine dentist school up there that my husband would love to attend.

48 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:24:04am

#44 RC Neo Jew

Almost puked my lunch with that one...but did you look at their Board of Directors. I think that explains their perspective. Some of the illustrious members:

Hanan Ashrawi, Ramallah
Norman Finkelstein, Brooklyn
Muna Nashashibi, London
Ilan Pappe, Haifa
Lea Tsemel, Jerusalem
Mordechai Vanunu, Ashkelon Prison

49 RC neo-Jew  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:24:20am

#42 amir

The thing is, when your hated so much, you eventually blame yourself and then desperately seek the acceptance of those who think you are vile.

That is so sad. And for Israel, it could also be dangerous.

I suspect that the world would respect Israel more if she cared less about the opinions of others and seemed tougher. The world would be less likely to bully her if she behaved less like someone who is being bullied.

50 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:24:51am

#43 Ronnie

It is a different kind of place. Very stereotypical cowboy. It is far from most other "urban" centers in the state, but not too far from the skiing in New Mexico. I've only been to the place a handful of times, a 7-8 hour drive mind you, and it would not be my first choice of places to live in the state. That being said, the panhandle of Texas can be incredibly beautiful in it's isolation. Palo Duro Canyon is nearby, as well as Lake Meredith. The people in the area are extremely friendly. As a side note, I met a Aussie in Montreal that had bought a van with some friends in LA and where treking across North America. She absolutely love Amarillo and stayed an extra 3 days in the area hanging out with the locals and having a good time. It reminded her of home, she said. Interesting. Anyway, hope this is of some help. Feel free to question me further.

51 amir  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:29:31am

#49 RC neo-Jew

I suspect that the world would respect Israel more if she cared less about the opinions of others and seemed tougher.

Such was the case between 1967 and 1981.

52 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:30:18am

Ronnie,

Forgot to answer your actual question:

Thanks! How about the people there... majority 'down-home' common sense folks, or a bunch of up-tight activist a**holes?

You will find that most folks are not activists of the sort you are use to. Hell, I wouldn't label anyone I've met from the area, as even remotely pushy.

53 RC neo-Jew  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:32:35am

#48 WriterMom

Here's something similar Robert Fisk wrote in Der Independent Sturmer in 2001: More attempts to make Deir Yassin seem like the Holocaust.

One supporter of the commemoration has compared a British-based Likud party official, Colin Leci, with deniers of the Jewish Holocaust for saying the Deir Yassin massacre never happened.

Yes, they've even invented Deir Yassin Denial, to match Holocaust Denial.

(Ddon't eat while reading this, by the way!)

54 Ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:36:03am

#50 RIP Ford

Excellent! I spent years living up in Yakima and a year or so living in Billings...cowboy attitude is no big deal. It kinda reminds me of the Mainiacs (LOL) attitude...'times are tough, but the people are tougher'. Hot and dry...I can handle that; the LLL a**holes however tend to drive me too a manic rage. I'd sure miss the mountains you can find in this part of the country, but you can't eat trees and rocks!

55 quark2  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:38:12am

Ronnie

If ever you visit Texas, you can find clannish small towns like Weimer where most of those folks are Checs. We still have towns that are mostly German too. But in the most part where ever you land here you'll find the natives laid back and friendly.
There is tons of diversity in our geographical characteristics
too, from Gulf plains to rough hilly to mountainous. Great place to visit and to live. :)
We've got some pretty awesome lakes too.

56 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:40:41am

#54 Ronnie

I understand. I left London to move back to Texas last year. People look at me funny when I say that. :P

57 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:42:04am

Quark2

Ahem.. Czech. :P

58 pbird  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:42:50am

#28 Oh Joel, they would wouldn't they? What a horrible idea. Shit! What a creeping mildew stain that religion is.

59 Ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:43:37am

#50 RIP Ford

Just checked out your 2 links...oh yeah...NICE!

60 Alan  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:44:42am

What Benedict is saying is true. America is a great place, the people are fantastic. Practically every European I know will agree with that.

Remember that Europeans made the USA great in the first place.

61 quark2  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:46:20am

Ronnie
Here's a place for you.

[Link: www.lake-livingston-texas.com...]

or maybe this one:

www.lakeforktexas.com/ -

You want to be alone? No L3's breathing down your neck?
Try this:

www.tpwd.state.tx.us/park/bigbend/

Need more? :)

62 quark2  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:49:38am

@57 RIP Ford

My bad! :)

I was looking up links and not previewing.

63 Steven  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:52:15am

That's all well and good, but I am so sick of this message of this wonderful Christian nation. It's a nation that is supposed to separate Church and State. Bush can't see between the two of them, and many others are in the same boat. I don't want to be subject to some wackos religious agenda. I want to be allowed to do as I please, and hear what I please.

So, GW... if you shut your damn bible, stop spending us into the poor house, and just focus on whacking those crazy terrorists (lest we not forget FARC and the IRA), then you make regain my vote. Right now (pun intended) my support is fading fast.

64 Ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:52:19am

#56 RIP Ford
#61 quark2

Thanks for the insights...I REALLY APPRECIATE IT! I gotta head out to the docs and then go pack my bags. LGF must be the greatest site on the web, doncha think?!?

65 RC neo-Jew  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:52:45am

Deir Yassin = the Holocaust seems to be one of those popular themes in Palestinian propaganda. They emphasise the irony of Deir Yassin being visible from Yad Vashem, then repeat the lie that the Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust. I'm finding more and more of it. Here's Al Guardian's version: More pretence that Deir Yassin = the Holocaust

Ironically, on a clear day, you can see Deir Yassin from Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Memorial Museum, and this year Deir Yassin Day falls on Yom ha'Shoah (Holocaust Memorial Day).
Deir Yassin creates enormous anxiety in many Jews, who feel as if remembering it could diminish the magnitude of their own tragedy and somehow displace commemoration of the Holocaust. They say: "I'll go and commemorate Deir Yassin when Palestinians go and commemorate Auschwitz." But there is no equivalence: while Israelis were responsible for Deir Yassin, Palestinians weren't responsible for Auschwitz.

The writer evidently knows much propaganda but little history: Hitler's friend, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.

The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. ... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz.
66 quark2  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:53:29am

My aunt and uncle come to Texas every year now, since about 1990. They live in Salisbury England, and lived through the bombing of London.
My uncle never took a vacation outside of England, he hates the continent and was of the opinion there is no place to vacation but England proper. That was until he came to Texas the first time back in 1989...he fell in love with the state and its people.

67 New & Improved  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:57:52am

The truth is better than any propaganda.

68 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 10:59:31am

#64 Ronnie

No worries.

69 quark2  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:06:13am

@63 Steven

The basic principles this country is based on, are Judeo-Christian. If you have a problem with the beginnings of this country then maybe you need to move to one of the secular countries that is now having major problems with Islamic movements.
The reason? Because the people have nothing to hold onto but the base not so good nature of man. Makes it easy for muslims to convert the discontented and the spiritually hungry. This country doesn't need to go to the extremes of being so severely secular that we lose sight of the premises that have always been the glue of our greatness.

70 realwest  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:12:49am

#64 Ronnie - HOLD UP!!
I swear, the way quark 2 and RIP Ford are goin, ya'd think they were members of the damn Texas Chamber of Commerce or something!!
You mentioned that you can't eat trees and rocks and you're right. Now if you want to live where you can get the best food of any kind from anywhere in the World, where the people are friendly, sophisticated and, frankly, tougher than nails, you have to come visit my hometown: Manhattan, New York City.
As an added bonus, while there are a shitload full of LLL's here, shootin' em is legal (well, almost - it's at least understood)! AND NYC LGFer's get together once in a while for a brunch/lunch and afternoon/evening snack, too!!!

71 realwest  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:15:14am

#69 quark 2 - very nicely said. Thank you.

72 papijoe  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:16:34am

#3 robo11

Maybe we should start an exchange program to get more "woolly minded" Euroweenies over here to give them a dose of reality.

Check out this thread

#7 Buckaroo
Good thing he didn't live in MA

#9 Joel
Bill Whittle could write a good spot for that. They'd arrive in droves

#13 bigel
which exit?

73 Atomic Redneck, Happy Spud  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:17:47am

#47 quark2

No kidding.

BNFL Inc.

BNFL Inc. is an American environmental services company whose expertise is providing technical solutions to clean up nuclear waste. We are focused on providing innovative solutions for the nation's most difficult environmental and nuclear challenges.

BNFL Inc. is a member of the British Nuclear Fuels group of companies.

Whereabouts in Idaho is the equine dentistry school?

74 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:18:07am

#70 realwest

ya'd think they were members of the damn Texas Chamber of Commerce or something!!

LMAO
It is not the first time I have ever been accused of that.
Love NYC too, by the way. One of the greatest cities on the planet. Just couldn't live there too long. To each their own.

75 Necklace of shoe (not Nike!)  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:19:15am

OT
The Imam speaks!


[Link: www.islam.tc...]

76 WriterMom  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:22:02am

OT but hilarious. For the baloney and pigs flying files.

Saudi Arabian King approves human rights committee.

77 Thom  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:25:25am

#60 Alan

Americans made America great.

#63 Steven

It's a nation that is supposed to separate Church and State.

Yes, this is the line of those who interpret the 1st amendment to mean freedom from religion.

Apart from the 1st amendment, where does the Constitution address religion, or Bush reading his Bible?

78 Random Guy  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:25:30am

#56 RIP Ford
#61 quark2

I live in East Texas in Tyler, its about halfway from Dallas to Shreveport. Beatiful countryside. Its all piney woods, hills, rivers, creeks, and lakes. Best of all, the people here would actually give you the shirt off thier back to help you out if you needed it.

I lived for a few years in Cal, and couldnt stand it. Pretty, but the majority of people I met there where very shallow and self-centered. Not all, but enough that I really didnt want to live there very long.

79 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:27:25am

#78 Random Guy

Understood.
Tyler, known for their roses, right?

80 Random Guy  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:31:44am

Yeppers, actually we have the famous Tyler Rose Garden here, and an annual Rose Festival. Tyler is supposedly the Rose Capital of the World (at least according to the Tyler Chamber of Commerce lol).

Heh, had to mention the garden cause I will be getting married there soon.

81 quark2  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:34:33am

OT
I gotta a lot of message to reply to here. Y'all be patient,
I'll be back in a bit. :)

realwest:
I've never been to NYC. Always wanted to visit there, I have flown over it though. :)


Atomic Redneck.
I'll ask my husband. I think it's located in the south east corner of the state. I'll verify that for you.

I don't belong to any CoC. But I am pleased to be a texicanius jacksonian steel magnolia. :)

@78 Random Guy

We've got friends that live at Hawkins Lake. We come up there all the time from just south of Lake Livingston.
We need to chat! :)

82 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 11:56:11am

#80 Random Guy

d to mention the garden cause I will be getting married there soon.

Congrats.

83 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:21:26pm

quark2, LOL! So for you, NYC is flyover country! :-)
RWC, that was a delightful read, thanks for digging it up.

84 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:33:56pm

#83 evariste

I've been waiting for you to show up. You're famous.

LOL

85 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:37:30pm

RIP Ford, LOL! That's great. Maybe I should get worked up more often :-)

86 Mardukhai  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:38:12pm

14 RC neo Jew

That Deir Yassin site is really a scream.
100 percent lies. I don't think they really know
what happened there, never heard of the siege.

I submitted a couple of please-explain questions.

We'll see what they come up with.

Should be entertaining.

87 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:40:26pm

#85 evariste

LOL

{I thought they were pokin' fun at ya at first.}

88 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:43:22pm

As for fame, I'm reminded of MightyGirl's motto: Famous among dozens!

89 Lickmuffin  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:44:07pm

From the article:

It is a land where championing liberty sits alongside stripping terrorist suspects of their legal rights in Guantanamo Bay.

I'm fuzzy on this. What rights, exactly, have been stripped from those held at Guantanamo?

Are there any valid arguments supporting the notion that the detainees are being denied certain rights?

I'm not interested in what the moonbats claim is going on there -- I am curious to know if there are any sane and valid legal challenges to how those in Guantanamo are being held.

Just wondering.

Thanks.

90 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:44:46pm

I appreciatecha, RIP. :-)

91 RIP Ford  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:48:10pm

#90 evariste

No prob, just lookin' out for numero uno.
I'm bored, I think I'll head to the gym. G'night.

92 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:51:04pm

Later!

93 Random Guy  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:53:14pm

#81 quark2

We've got friends that live at Hawkins Lake

Cool, thats where my fiance is from. I have a few friends there as well. Its only about 30 miles from here.


#82 RIP Ford

Thanks I am a lucky man, I think. lol

94 Mardukhai  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 12:59:11pm

#19 Barry

Maybe I'll ask nazis and commies a few questions...

76 WriterMom 3/10/2004 01:22PM PST

You're right -- hilarious:

Saudi Arabian King approves human rights committee.

Talk about hyour flying pig moment...

95 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 1:02:47pm

Thanks for all the compliments everyone for finding that. Especially Atomic Redneck ;-)

I just think that it is nice to hear what is good about America for a change. You know, since we are the imperialist, isolationist, get into everyones business, don't help out people enough kind of country.

96 iamspartacus  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 1:17:48pm

In true EU/Leftist fashion double speak is being utilized to punish U.S. business. What we call a "tax-break" is being called a "subsidy" by the Fraaanch und Zhermans, thus weakly justifying their position of sticking to the Amercans once again. The craftiness of this attempt took my breath away.


March 2, 2004-The European Union has imposed sanctions on the United States for the first time as a dispute over tax breaks for US firms turned into a trade war that could cost American exporters $300mn this year.

The lower tax rates for exports for firms, including Boeing and Microsoft, were judged an illegal subsidy by the World Trade Organisation (WTO), which ruled the EU could impose $4bn in sanctions a year on US goods.

Full text here:

[Link: www.axisoflogic.com...]

97 iamspartacus  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 1:22:18pm

Oh how they hate us.

It is originally an Aljazeera piece.

[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

98 quark2  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 1:27:42pm

Atomic Redneck, Chick with Gun


Here's the location of that equine denistry school.

[Link: www.equinedentistry.com...]


We have used equine dentists who were certified through the school, they do an excellent job.

Random Guy
Congratulation on your upcoming wedding.
It's too bad you can't have your reception at the look out on Hwy69 in Jacksonville...it's still closed for renovations.
Our friends live right on Lake Hawkins. Their property is within view of the dam, I love going up there. The lake is beautiful early in the mornings and at sunset.
I havent been to the rose center since I was a kid!

99 Ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:11:30pm

#70 realwest

"Now if you want to live where you can get the best food of any kind from anywhere in the World, where the people are friendly, sophisticated and, frankly, tougher than nails"

LMAO!

I been to the city lots of times while in the Nav, but then I decided to Leave AmeiKa move to America (west of the Mississippi River) back in '74. The problem is that they keep changing the borders... Just a short 20 years ago Seattle was a nice town. I've not been there in 5+ years, but it's was like holloween every night up on the CD 5 years back. Nut cases, perverts and L3's...it's no wonder that the Islamic wacko's found a home in Washington.

Sophisticatiion is for the stylish and the 'movers and shakers'; I want to drink ice tea on the porch and not trip over beer cans walking down the street. Damn needles in the streets; maybe the dopers could just croak already! They're a health hazard. Yakima used to be nice, till the 'brown tar' started to flood in back in the '80s.

Things keep up like they've been going and in another 25 years there won't even be an America or anything but a wilderness of lots of unhappy LLL's. What will the LLL do when there's nobody to blame???

100 IXLNXS  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:25:05pm

Its obvious he met Americans.

If he had met Bush he would still be looking for his billfold.

101 Norwegian kafir  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:31:41pm

#9 Joel:

If I were President of the USA I would go on radio beamed to Old Europe and invite all young people who have ambition, drive, know how, entrepreneurship to come to America.


Thank you. Where do I sign? One chance and I'm out of here.


The end of Europe?

[Link: www.aei.org...]

102 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:38:15pm

#100 IXLNXS

LMFAO !!!


Oh, my fault. That was stupid.

103 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:40:51pm

Ignore #100 IXLNXS, he's a troll from Tim Blair's site.
Or, click on his name and laugh at his Fisher-Price website!

104 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:41:46pm

IXLNXS, why is Bugs Bunny blue on your website, and why does he hold a large dildo in his left hand?

105 Mossback  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:43:51pm

Hello,

I've been an LGF reader for over a year now but have never entered a comment before.

Just wanted to put in a plug for the real Washington. This is the state where you can travel from desert to dormant (and not so dormant) volcanoes and alpine meadows to Puget Sound (described by Captain Cook as "the sea in the forest") with innumerable islands, to rain forests to ocean beaches in a single day.

True, we have too much California Envy amongs elected officials but the natural beauty is unmatched.

Here is a little video I made that shows off the area. It wasn't intended as propoganda for the region, but there you go. Enjoy!

106 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:48:29pm

#103 evariste

I already did. That has to be some powerful sh*t that kid is smoking.

'Our countries and people need to get along. See, I like spending time with my family as does the Average Akhbar Muslim. And we eat crap pork but they eat stuff that is nasty also, so we are all alike. It is the leaders that are bringing us down man, they don't want peace. Why can't we sit around all day with our families eating man.'


I see 'Highlights for Kids' and 'Mad Libs' are doing a wonderous job teaching the next generation.

107 piglet  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:50:27pm
If I were President of the USA I would go on radio beamed to Old Europe and invite all young people who have ambition, drive, know how, entrepreneurship to come to America.


Hum,,,

The New Colossus


Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Which brings us to our old billionaire trouble maker Soros.

[Link: www2.soros.org...]

108 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:50:41pm

Mossback, thanks for that-that was a good three minutes of sheer bliss. I enjoyed that Drinkall played on it as well.

109 logger phd  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:51:26pm

#100 IXLNXS

Just hasn't been the same since Michael Hutchence hanged himself, but even since Kick they were going downhill. . . .

110 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:54:52pm

#105 Mossback

Hey, are you going to work tomorrow. ;-)

Just kidding. Welcome. Washington truly looks like a beautiful state. One of my old coworkers used to live by Mt. McKinley (???) and I saw some of the pics from his place. What a view.

111 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 2:58:59pm
112 realwest  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:01:30pm

#99 Ronnie - I haven't "crossed pens" or keyboards for that matter with you before, and contrary to my nature I'm going to assume that your comments were made in jest.
If I read your post correctly, you haven't been to NYC in 30 years - it's nothing like it was back then.
And I'd like to point out that, while I hope we (LGFer's that is) all wished 9/11 hadn't happened at all, I humbly (well ok, not humbly) submit that it's a good thing for this nation that it happened here; the way we responded frankly makes me PROUD TO BE A NEW YORKER.
And I think it made Osama bin I'mamotherfucker blink; he didn't destablize us, he woke us up.
I'd personally like to see him and his band of merry maniacs come to NYC on the ground - keep the military doing the jobs they were otherwise doing, we'd do him and his maniacs to a fair thee well!

113 ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:02:26pm

#105 Mossback

LOL! So SO funny. I remember shopping at the Pike Place market when there were only 3 Starbucks on planet earth; Capital Hill, South Center and Pike Place Market. Yep, Seattle is oh so very stylish...and it also s*cks! Rapes, murders, drugs, perverts...where do you stop? You know, people used to go to the Pike Place Market to get a good price on produce and fresh fish! Not any more. When was the last time you walked in the Rainer Valley 2 hours after the sun went down? Beacon Ave is downright dangerous. And then...

California envy? Well, if you want to call it that... I just call it another state of AmeiKa! It's a lot like Oregon now, just shows what can happen after 35-30 years of L3 propaganda and socialism

114 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:04:46pm

#113 Ronnie, what does AmeiKa mean? I don't get it.

115 logger phd  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:05:25pm

#110 RWC do you mean Mt. Rainier?

116 rufus lee king  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:09:48pm

Ya, know, their food ain't so bad after all.

117 realwest  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:10:13pm

#106 Right Wing Conspirator

"Our countries and people need to get along."

The motto on my blog is "Getting along is vastly overrated."

nuff said.

118 Geepers  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:15:22pm

Mossback (#105),

Nice. Used to train (skiing) on Mt. Hood in the summers, back in the days. Beautiful place. Went running once through the forest, calm, quite, green, didn't even realize I was hoofing it for about an hour it was so striking.

evariste (#111), Yep, it's real.

119 Ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:18:39pm

#112 realwest

I guess all I want to say is, "I've been there and done that. I've even got the teeshirt!". My last recollection of NYC (or 'da City' as some call it) was traveling in a local transit bus back in 75 or 76 and seeing the alley stacked with trash cans and bags of trash 6-8 feet high. I had returned from Seattle for a little visit to some friends. By contrast, I could see little old ladies walk downtown Seattle late at night by themselves---unafraid of being mugged. Seattle was clean and laid back, in comparrison to east coast. At that time NYC homes and shops all had bars on the windows and across the doors, and Seattle had none---they didn't need em!!! But congrats to the LLL, they've exported their social programs off the coasts and into other towns and burbs. Pres. Kerry is just the start of another downhill slide into the pit!

120 Ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:22:57pm

#114 evariste

Listen, this topic is getting boring. Lets talk about food?

I eat crap, what about you?

121 Joel  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:25:13pm

#101 Norweggian Kafir

Welcome aboard and bring your friends who think as you do.

122 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:25:48pm

Yeah, I like food too :-)
I wasn't trying to antagonize you, I just wanted to know why you took an r out of America and changed the c to a capital K. AmeiKa?

123 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:35:57pm

#115 logger phd

#110 RWC do you mean Mt. Rainier?

El es mi mistako. El ingles es nuevo para mi.


*yep. that is why I had the question marks by it. I knew it was wrong and I am too lazy to Google it. Thanks for the correction. :-)

124 Right Wing Conspirator  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:36:50pm

#117 realwest

Damn right it is.

125 Geepers  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:38:23pm

everiste (#122),

Yeah, I like food too :-)

No shit? Me too!

126 Ronnie  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:46:23pm

#122 evariste

I'm sorry. I apologize, I was wrong.

This is what I mean. Take a look at #63 Steven. he uses the statement, " It's a nation that is supposed to separate Church and State." That phrase is nowhere found in the American bill of rights or constitution. However, when the USSR was a going concern they used that phrase in their constitution. Americans have been brainwashed by the multi-cultural PC sops. Take a little gander about the crime rate in the past 40 years on a per capita basis. The LLL propaganda machine has attacked the people of this nation on a daily basis since Viet Nam and the moral backbone of this country is dissolving before out eyes---in our generation. The WOT is not about killing our enemies, that's easy to do. The WOT for western civ is about the internal collapse of a culture. Social programs ane social weenies have taken over almost all of Europe and a great portion of America. I honestly believe that many people who hold center to right-of-center views are shortly going to become unimportant. Just another sub-group of seething, teeth grinding disfranchised ex-voters.

127 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:47:02pm

Hang on, this is fucking crazy...you like food too? I gotta tell my boys about this yo.

128 evariste  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:50:19pm

Ronnie-um, oh, OK. I still don't understand why you spelled it in that particular way, but I'm gathering that it's an intentional misspelling to emphasize that part of America is leaving American ideals behind.

129 realwest  Wed, Mar 10, 2004 3:53:32pm

OT FOLKS - JOHN KERRY CAUGHT ON TAPE REPUBLICANS ARE THE MOST CROOKED, LYING GROUP OF PEOPLE

CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- Sen. John Kerry, all but officially the Democratic presidential nominee, called Republicans he is battling "crooked" Wednesday.

The comments, caught on tape, came after Kerry addressed the AFL-CIO by satellite. Union workers had been standing behind him. When the satellite feed ended, Kerry spoke briefly with a couple of them.

"Keep smiling," one man said to him.

Kerry responded, "Oh yeah, don't worry man. We're going to keep pounding, let me tell you -- we're just beginning to fight here. These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group of people I've ever seen."

This is fresh from CNN.

130 K1, P2  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:41:15am

IF you have a tough time with the LLL, stay our of Austin. Otherwise, TX is, I won't say the BEST state, but a great one.
You'll have to forgive us, we were once our own country, and haven't gotten over it yet.

I remember reading years ago, a little story in the Reader's Digest from the 50's, in which President Eisenhower was asking some friends in gov't, Senators and such, where he should take a visiting dignitary to show him "the real America". The guy from PA thought a steel mill would be a good idea, the fellow from ME suggested a visit to the coast and a lobster dinner, the Arizonan insisted on a trip to the Grand Canyon, and so on. Finally, one of them asked the President: "Where would you take him, sir?" "Well," he said, " I think he really needs to see a Kansas wheat field."

We are blessed in so many ways.

131 K1, P2  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 4:45:29am

#107 piglet
Or, as my economics prof used to say: "We've done pretty well, in the end, for a nation whose population was built from the dregs of other countries."

132 Bleeding heart conservative  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 8:56:32am

Steven: I am so sick of this message of this wonderful Christian nation. It's a nation that is supposed to separate Church and State.

We can and do, but you guys keep misinterpreting the concept of separation to mean that freedoms of religious expression are to be behind locked doors. A private belief can be expressed publicly w/o violating separation. The first amendment is to avoid a state-run church, or a church-run state, not to make religion ANATHEMA in the public square. The agoraphobia you guys show when the marketplace offers a religiouis idea speaks to some hypersensitivity.

Bush can't see between the two of them, and many others are in the same boat. I don't want to be subject to some wackos religious agenda. I want to be allowed to do as I please, and hear what I please.

When was the last time you weren't able to rent a video or get your "needs" fulfilled via the internet? You can do and watch as you please, who's stopping you. Oh, wait, are you talking about decency standards on the public airwaves? Strawman. You wouldn't want to allow kiddie porn (i hope) or other such stuff, so the question is where do we draw the line? how about mutually accepted simple standards? If you can't say it in classrooms, you can't say it on the air: so we're only talking profanity. But see how that line has moved in the last few years anyway...
Howard Stern was dropped by a client for business reasons (obscenity and racist stuff), that's not censorship.


So, GW... if you shut your damn bible, stop spending us into the poor house, and just focus on whacking those crazy terrorists (lest we not forget FARC and the IRA), then you make regain my vote. Right now (pun intended) my support is fading fast.

As for "spending us in to the poor house," the FACT is the deficit is no bigger AS A PERCENTAGE than it was under Reagan or Carter. And we're not in the poor house from them, revenues increased after Reagan as the economy grew... then they raised taxes, then the recession hit. Do you have a mortgage? I guess you're in the poor house because you have "deficit," or debt. No? you can handle the debt? Ah.
Debt is cheaper, in fiscal terms, than equity. Our treasury yields are so low that it is cheaper to borrow than to tax the money out of the productive economy. Business capital management requires balancing longterm debt with cash flow and reserve spending. If a business took every earned dime out of productive turnaround and tried to avoid debt at all costs, he'd shut his doors very soon. That said, I hate all the pork in the budget, and do feel we overspent. But it's not all Bush's fault. Deficits and cuts are stimulative fiscal policies. The economy is growing.

133 Mossback  Thu, Mar 11, 2004 9:21:52am

#108 evariste

Roger Drinkall was a neighbor for a few years. Glad to find a fan of his. He loved to sail around Puget Sound as often as his busy teaching and performaning schedules allowed. A wonderfully gentle man and outstanding musician.

#113 ronnie

Who said anything about Seattle? That's just one little part of a good-sized state (although there may be bigger counties in TX and AK) and not hard at all to avoid if one is so inclined. I was talking about the natural wonders of this region which does extend, sadly enough, into Oregon. ;-)


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