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One Bummed Out Peace Activist

Mon, Mar 21, 2005 at 3:34:29 pm PST

Here’s a hilariously impotent tantrum by an over the hill Seattle “activist” named Ira at Indymedia, nearly indistinguishable from an Iowahawk parody: Why Isn’t the Movement Against US Imperialism Stronger By Now? (Hat tip: Photios.)

When Iraq was invaded two years ago, activists had some optimism that the movement against imperialist war would grow fast. After all, weren’t these demonstrations of gargantuan size attracting militant young activists who, you’d imagine, might decide even at this early phase of the struggle to dedicate their lives, as some of us did in earlier eras, to radical social change?

It’s not clear what has become of them. Do they suffer from burnout (as many of us in the movement do from time to time)? Did they assume that Saturday’s marches and rally in Seattle wouldn’t be radical enough for them? I’m heartened that these events actually occurred, but I for one was bummed that more than 5000 or so didn’t show. You can’t blame these low number on the rain, not in this town. If we are to play a role in accelerating the growth of this force, we’d better sort out what political views we need to promote within it and what views we need to, frankly, oppose.

One absolutely critical component to US imperialism’s ever expanding world empire is a docile population on the home front. A movement that has enough power to be massively socially disruptive poses an enormous impediment to the ruling class. Here’s my fantasy for Seattle, for example: imagine 20,000 to 50,000 people sitting down around the Federal Building for, oh, say, a day or two in order to shut it down. Many of you who witnessed the WTO protest here in 1999 know that this sort of thing can actually be accomplished. The threat, or perhaps even the inevitability, of this sort of event occurring is the reason that there not yet a draft (at least officially). On the other hand the piddling showing of people in the street on Saturday—not just in Seattle but across the US—will allow imperialism to reinstitute the draft that much sooner.

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1 Doug  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:36:15pm

Whoa dude!

That was some baaadd Ganja.

2 Mike C.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:39:05pm

Maybe we should a fund-raiser and buy the poor guy a clue.

3 Curt  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:39:33pm

Could it be they are seeing the light?

4 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:39:43pm

aww the da poor wittle weftist wost his cawse!

5 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:40:01pm

Maybe the "protestors" didn't show because they were at military recruiting offices.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Just a thought.

6 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:40:51pm

#2

Maybe we should have a fund-raiser and buy the poor guy a clue.

LOL! That bore repeating!

7 Norwegian kafir  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:41:12pm

"Blogs - Not Permissible in Islam"

Recently, many people have been asking about the permissibility of blogs, i.e. online diaries - I'm sure many of us have seen and read them. I submitted a question to Mufti Nawalur-Rahman about them, the answer can be heard here:

Allhamdullilah.

The translation for non-urdu speakers (provided by brother salman):

Going to websites like these will not be permissible, because they contain personal matters and also they specify names/identities which can create a path for bay-hayaai (shamelessness), and unlawful relations, and It is a source that may leak out the faults/kharaabiyan "aayb" of muslims. It will not be permissible.

8 Lazarus  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:41:39pm

Re: photo

Christ, I'm getting tired of looking at Bobby Knight. Go back to Lubbock already!

9 Percopius  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:42:09pm

So much stupidity, so little time...

10 The False God  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:44:19pm

Charles! Your forgot the baby cry wav file!

If you don't have it anymore, I do! If you'd like it, just ask me to send it to you.

I've gotten so much hate from using it. It's useful!

11 logger phd  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:44:23pm
After all, weren’t these demonstrations of gargantuan size attracting militant young activists who, you’d imagine, might decide even at this early phase of the struggle to dedicate their lives, as some of us did in earlier eras, to radical social change?

If Ira means, "Do these demonstrations, reported on ad infinitum by the media as the true sentiments of all Americans, encourage terrorists and their state enablers?" then the answer is indeed yes.

12 Alone in NY  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:45:39pm

I hope armchair revolutionaries like this pompous ass are forced to live in one of their coveted other countries...say Cuba...in which case they won't survive their next protest.

13 Dave the.....  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:46:20pm
Here’s my fantasy for Seattle, for example: imagine 20,000 to 50,000 people sitting down around the Federal Building for, oh, say, a day or two in order to shut it down. Many of you who witnessed the WTO protest here in 1999 know that this sort of thing can actually be accomplished


You can enlist the spirit of Timothy McVeigh to do this. He knew how to shut down a Federal building.

As I always say, the far left and and far right are pretty much the same thing.

14 TotallySirius  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:47:14pm

The dude has figured out that liberalism is a lost cause,he just hasn't figured out that being an activist just to be an activist accomplishes nothing.

15 logger phd  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:47:18pm
Here’s my fantasy for Seattle, for example: imagine 20,000 to 50,000 people sitting down around the Federal Building for, oh, say, a day or two in order to shut it down. Many of you who witnessed the WTO protest here in 1999 know that this sort of thing can actually be accomplished. The threat, or perhaps even the inevitability, of this sort of event occurring is the reason that there not yet a draft (at least officially). On the other hand the piddling showing of people in the street on Saturday—not just in Seattle but across the US—will allow imperialism to reinstitute the draft that much sooner.

But every year in April there is draft, and legions of losers eagerly anticipate it.

Of course, that's the NFL draft. (I hope Kansas City picks up a good cover man."

16 pookleblinky  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:47:36pm

#7 Norwegian fellow-kafir

Shameless personal relations you say?

I have shameless full frontal wombat nudity on my blog.

The islamofascists can take my fashion-wombats out of my cold, dead hands!

17 rightismight  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:48:04pm

Once again, the ignorance of these drug-addled aged hippies comes to the forefront in spades: NO ONE WANTS A DRAFT! Not the military, not the republicans, not the people. The only ones WHO DO are liberals!
Today's high-tech weapons systems require serious training and devotion. The age of WWII-style drafts is OVER. Technology has advanced to the point where we can drop bombs down chimneys, for God's sake. Why field an unweildly mass of unwilling conscripts when a core of well-trained, devoted soldiers can accomplish the same mission?
Today's drug-addled, aged hippies really need to get a clue. Their day is done, what they stand for is almost quaintly archaic. They remind me of the old woman who plays the very bitter and vindictive grandmother in "Malcolm In The Middle"...lol

18 cjstavern  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:49:01pm

Quick, somebody get this guy some Thorazine!

19 Teacake!  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:49:53pm
ilitant young activists

LOL! Having once lived in Seattle for many years, it always cracks me up that those fine young radicals spend a fortune on tattoos, haircuts, shoes, etc. Its expensive keeping up appearances! LOL

20 Gmac  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:50:04pm

It's hard to burn out when the new mass's of 'militant young activists' are so disinterested in your movement that they essentially stay away in drove's.

21 Gagdad Bob  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:50:13pm

Clueless in Seattle.

22 Teacake!  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:50:40pm

Opps,,, the M got cut off, I need new glasses. Sorry

23 FriarsTale  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:51:06pm

no...no, she's right!

I saw a secret memo; once the protests draw fewer than 3997 people, they will all be arrested, and W will re-institute the draft.

You see, 3997 is the maximum capacity for most of the secret anti-war holding pens secretly built in the secretive 1980's, when Reagan secretly (did I mention this was secret?) instructed the NSA to build them. It was all about Nicaragua back then, of course, but the Imperialists didn't dismantle them after they cruelly brought so-called Democracy to Nicaragua, oh no, actually, what happened next...

24 Minstrel  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:51:58pm

Heh-heh. I love it when the moonbats don't get their way.

And while we're at it, my check from the ZOG is late. AGAIN. Who do I speak to about this?

25 shan  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:52:42pm

Here is all I can say:
Oh ga wanh!

26 neverpayretail  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:53:04pm

I oppose Ira's cause. "Docile" does not correctly describe me.

27 Studsup  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:53:36pm

"Here’s my fantasy for Seattle, for example: imagine 20,000 to 50,000 people sitting down around the Federal Building for, oh, say, a day or two in order to shut it down. "

Oh there, B'rer Moonbat, do whatever you want to me, but don't shut down a Federal Building in Seattle for two whole days, no don't do that!

Let's see. They shut down the building and taxpayer paid Seattle Federal bureaucrats do notihing for two days outside of the building instead of doing nothing inside of it?

Let's see. If that happened, the nation might be spared two days of bad Federal District Court decision making within the abominable 9th Circuit. Could we make this permanent?

28 chewydog  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:55:36pm

#7

It is a source that may leak out the faults/kharaabiyan "aayb" of muslims

Have something to hide, do they?

29 wrathofg-d  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:55:47pm

((insert quick-witted statement here))

30 Ed from Ohio  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:56:30pm

wow!

indymedia, and all it's satellites are by far the most whacked out folks in the world

check out indybay.org

they are just swearing that illegals are entitled to a drivers license.

the arrogance is unbelievable.

31 htom  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:56:44pm

Two whole days? Like Saturday and Sunday?

32 rightymouse  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:57:33pm

"Here’s my fantasy for Seattle, for example: imagine 20,000 to 50,000 people sitting down around the Federal Building for, oh, say, a day or two in order to shut it down. "

I do believe the operative word here is "fantasy".

33 Jheka  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:57:43pm

BTW, the "rally" in San Francisco was beyond pathetic. Maybe a thousand people. Maybe. Two years ago it was hundreds of thousand with enthusiastic protestors crammed shoulder to shoulder in the park in front of city hall, in U.N. plaza nad for blocks beyond. This time it was a small group milling loosely and aimlessly in front of city hall and generally ignoring whichever idiot was screaming gibberish from the stage at the time. For perspective, a person could have ridden a bicycle from one end of the gathering all the way up to the stage without running a serious risk of bumping into anyone. Of those who were there, most were a sad collection of communists, Lyndon Larouche supporters, Black Bloc morons, people selling things and a tiny group of dismayed, hard-core activists.

It wasn't that the air had been taken out of the balloon. It was as if the air had been taken out of the balloon and the balloon was put through a shredder.

34 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:57:48pm

As senseless and wandering as that opinion piece was we must remember that IndyMedia is _real_ media.

35 J.D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:58:09pm

Recruiter-turned-peacenik hits nerve in N.C.
All right - all right. So it's USA Today.
But this is interesting.

36 mccleansan  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 1:59:47pm

Hey Dude, where's my cause!

37 Jheka  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:00:00pm

Oh, and DUers had been talking for days about where they would gather, where they would go afterwards, etc. Three showed up.

38 Gagdad Bob  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:00:35pm

If only the anti-imperialist movement could get its message out to the people, they would stop ignoring it. Instead, they'd reject it outright.

39 rightasrain  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:01:04pm

"What if a revolution started and no one came?" :)

40 yochanan  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:01:06pm

chicago's demo was 1/20 of the one 2 years ago.

I over heard one of the leaders say he thought the possibility of violence from "ultra-lefts" lowered the turn out.

I did not have the heart to tell him that the "useful idiots" might have gotten the message that the POTUS got it right and that the election in Iraq took the wind out of the anti-american crowds sails. Not to mention the freedom march in Lebanon.

41 Jheka  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:01:50pm

O/T:


The truth is finally revealed:

Israeli commandos from the future killed Arafat.

42 mccleansan  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:03:26pm

I think it's the attention span of people these days - slim to none. Also this is classic liberalism - if it isn't effecting me directly, why bother?

43 kimberly  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:03:51pm

It's the "as some of us did in earlier eras" that's the giveaway here. This is just another still-living-in-the-60's gasbag who's all upset that today's youth would rather hang out online than take place in these oh-so-useful sit-ins. The radicals aren't there cluttering up the scenery and blocking traffic in large enough numbers, so this idiot assumes that the anti-war movement has become tiny, ineffectual, and pathetic.

I mean, yes, the anti-war IS tiny, ineffectual, and pathetic, but we appreciate that all the moonbats are spending their time hogging bandwidth at DU rather than blocking the streets outside. Although I hate to say it, I believe that moonbats with blogs are at least living in this century, as opposed to moonbats who believe that giant puppets are the means with which to introduce "regime change."

44 scott in east bay  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:04:22pm

Don't you love how it's always "the movement"? Like the 60s just never ended! Even here in the greater Berkeley area, real folks know this "movement" is history.

45 mardukhai  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:04:30pm

Someone forgot to take his medicine!

46 rightymouse  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:04:35pm

#39 rightasrain
"What if a revolution started and no one came?" :)"

Ha!
They must be wondering what happened to the rise of the proletariat.

47 mccleansan  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:04:38pm

#41
They probably believe in crop circles as well.

48 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:05:39pm
49 Sarah D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:06:34pm

#37 Jheka

"My rabbit was sick"

"I broke my toe last Friday"

"The palm fronds whacking against my window kept me awake"

"I didn't want to drive back home two hours soaking wet"

This is beyond pathetic.

50 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:07:07pm

Tornado watch issued for much of East Texas, including my house.


I knew the cap would be hard to break down toward Houston, but I really thought the tornadoes would be going to town up by Longview by now.

One reasonably healthy storm heading towards Austin County (home of San Felipe de Austin, first official Anglo settlement in Texas) from I think Bastrop County, which was named after a French guy named Bastrop.

Look closely, and I think one can actually see the nearly stationary dryline boundary along the Balcones Escarpment.


http://www.srh.noaa.gov/tsa/ is where the tornado action is.

Tulsa (KINX) AN/WSR-88D NexRad Doppler Radar Loop

51 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:08:17pm

Last night I had dinner with my hippie sister. It was her birthday so we met at a vegitarian restaurant in the San Fernando Valley called "Follow Your Heart". A bunch of her like minded moonbat friends were there and the conversation around the table was full of comments like : "why aren't more people waking up?", "when will the people realize what's really going on?" and the ever favorite..."most people don't want to know the truth". It was more than I could take and since it wasn't my party, my wife and I did the polite thing and left quietly.

Let me tell you though...these people are utterly pathetic. They are so convinced of their own absolute superiority that they have never considered the possibility that they may be wrong about anything (let alone everything)...The more time I spend around these folks, the more I realize that Leftism is a mental disorder.

BTW - The 'Love Burger' wasn't half bad.

52 rednaxela  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:08:33pm
If we are to play a role in accelerating the growth of this force, we’d better sort out what political views we need to promote within it and what views we need to, frankly, oppose.


Typical moonbat, "thinking" pattern evidenced here:

Very important: Power.

Less important: Positions.

53 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:08:50pm

Why doesn't the guy have a normal fantasy like 5 young good looking hippy chicks decide to have a topless car wash to raise money to send bongs to the troops or something, and they let him watch or something.

54 logger phd  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:09:00pm

#48 Rayra

Is that like Captain Kirk disabling an evil computer by sticking it in a logic-loop?

55 Gagdad Bob  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:09:17pm

If you can't even attract addle-brained kids to your fringe movement, it may be time to retire to the old moonbat's home.

56 Powderfinger  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:09:45pm
A movement that has enough power to be massively socially disruptive poses an enormous impediment to the ruling class.

All we need is to get the Unicorns on board and we'll shut Bushaliburtonmchitlerchimpysmirk down.

57 Buckeye Abroad  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:09:58pm

#24 Minstrel

And while we're at it, my check from the ZOG is late. AGAIN. Who do I speak to about this?

Did you open an offshore account in Lichenstein as instructed? Sorry, but if you don't follow lizard financial policy its your own fault... don't blame the lizards in the accounts department.

58 kimberly  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:09:59pm

#51 - Have you tried the veggie burger at Burger King? It's pretty good! Leaves plenty of room in the belly for large fries.

59 Robert D  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:10:58pm

Looks like PEST is taking it's toll. To depressed to even protest.

60 ajackson  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:11:12pm

Here’s my fantasy for Seattle, for example: imagine 20,000 to 50,000 people standing around the Federal Building drinking lattes and laughing at a handful of aging pathetic hippies trying unsuccessfully to shut it down.

61 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:12:18pm
62 Jheka  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:12:35pm

#58 kimberly:

Does it leave room for a steak?

63 mccleansan  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:12:40pm

#51
why aren't more people waking up?", "when will the people realize what's really going on?" and the ever favorite..."most people don't want to know the truth".

I have an Aunt and Uncle in Petaluma who are the same way - the most interesting part is when you ask why and where are you getting that information? The answers are always incredible.

64 kimberly  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:12:53pm

#60 - I think even in Seattle, your fantasy is more likely to come true.

65 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:13:46pm

#55
That sounds "Foxworthy"

"You might be a moonbat..."

The Old Moonbat Home is another name for the Psychoneurotic Institute for the Very, VERY Nervous.

66 Zack  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:14:27pm

Truly a vexing issue. Fortunately, the Seven Windows lady is here to help straighten things out...

So to speak.

67 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:14:58pm
On the other hand the piddling showing of people in the street on Saturday—not just in Seattle but across the US—will allow imperialism to reinstitute the draft that much sooner.

In other words, he's sh1tting himself! Clearly this is one big conspiracy. It must all be the fault of UniLever and their cunning whiter than white cleaning products... Guaranteed to remove skidmarks from each and every pair of LLL Y-fronts...

FAO Sarah D. Finally (yes, reallly!) got those pikkies for you. Will send 'em on in an hour or so once I get home - this week has proved to me that the American who wrote that "the English spend their whole lives drunk" * wasn't too far from the truth - please forward all donations to Livers-R-Us.co.uk and we'll do our best to send you cups of tea, tiffin cakes and soldiers that tend to get along with yours :)

* can't find the original reference, but in LGF style I need it, pretty please?!?

68 logger phd  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:15:22pm

Has anyone considered the real, deeply hidden demographic indicator?

Declining birthrates?

Increased financial comfort and success among all Americans?

No, not those: I mean that the anti-war chicks aren't as hot as they were in the 60s.

Total helmet-fest, dude!

69 kimberly  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:15:24pm

#62 - Actually, yes, I think it might. So in that sense, it's not that much of a diet aid!

70 Gagdad Bob  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:15:52pm

Poor man. It must be hard to have once been a useful idiot, but now reduced to a useless idiot.

71 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:16:18pm

#58 kimberly

have you tried the veggie burger at Burger King?

No, but my sister did serve Tofurkey once for Thanksgiving.

It was awful.

72 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:17:04pm

#68

No, not those: I mean that the anti-war chicks aren't as hot as they were in the 60s.


They are all in Lebanon now it seems waving American flags.

73 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:17:55pm

Oh, this little rant is hilarious to read. Especially towards the end, when he pulls out the standard "Americans are blind sheeple" line. You ever notice that these nimrods talk about how anybody who supports democracy and freedom are supposed to be "blind followers," yet the people making these assertions are also promoting causes (i.e. communism, islamism, fascism, etc) that thrive on a large base of mindless followers?

And, in answer to this braindead hippy, I also have a fantasy. Only my fantasy is to see 20,000 or even 50,000 "activists" actually get off their lazy asses, go out to join the workforce, and actually make a contribution to this nation. Perhaps when they're actually working for their money, rather than relying on trust-funds and government hand-outs, their desire to buck the system will shrivel up and finally die.

74 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:18:06pm

Who, like total bummer, dude. Like, dedicating your whole life to a hopeless cause (or is it Kos?), and you have, like, nothing to show for it except a stunted vocabulary, man! Like, massive bummer, dude.

I think he unwittingly stumbled across some painful truth here:

Do they suffer from burnout (as many of us in the movement do from time to time)?

Yes, you stupid, burnt out, maggot-infested creep. Perhaps it's time to redeem yourself and get a life. Step away from the bong, take a shower, clean yourself up, and seek employment. I'm sure there's some shit you and your buds left on the streets of Seattle. Go clean it up.

It's over, Johnny!

75 kimberly  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:18:18pm

#71 - Don't let anyone ever serve you anything made of saten, either. That's what UnTurkeys are made of and it's awful!

Boca anything, though, is pretty good. Boca Foods is pretty much the only reason I think we should keep Madison, WI on the map.

76 rightymouse  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:18:20pm

#51 Ringo the Gringo

Exactly what is on this Love Burger?

I have one at home, but I don't believe he could be considered a vegetarian delight.

Sorry...couldn't help myself.:)

Just being silly.

77 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:19:00pm

PIMF on first word: Who = Whoa.

(Bummer, man)

78 Dave Ray  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:19:15pm

OT

Israel worried about Russian arms deals to Syria

1. I thought the Russkies had been arming Syria for decades
2. I'm sure the IDF have the edge anyway
...and 3. I bet the French are pissed, they've missed another dodgy regime to arm.

79 Ann  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:20:01pm
On the other hand the piddling showing of people in the street on Saturday—not just in Seattle but across the US—will allow imperialism to reinstitute the draft that much sooner.

My hell, is he afraid! It's all about his fear, not his conviction. All about his little life, not about our way of life.

I'm glad that he is miserable.

80 ajackson  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:20:09pm

Demographics are not on this guys side - most of the members of Generation Y I've spoken to lean more to the right than their parents. The left is truly old and busted.

81 rednaxela  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:20:12pm

#49 Sarah D.

I made the decision to stay home after the wind and rain hit
this morning .


Followed immediately by:


Robbie and I were the only DUers. We didn't have any rain.


It's simply become impossible to parody the left.

82 Luigi  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:21:47pm
A movement that has enough power to be massively socially disruptive poses an enormous impediment to the ruling class.


Don'cha just hate when that happens, Binky?

83 kimberly  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:22:11pm

I think it's amazing that all these aging hippies are still fixated on the draft. Like, for how many generations do we need to have an all-volunteer armed forces before these smelly burnouts will get the message that Uncle Sam doesn't want them?

84 Sarah D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:23:23pm

#67 Al Charabiya

You really are a nut, you know that?

85 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:27:04pm
86 J.D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:27:04pm

I love the reference to WORKING PEOPLE. Who's paying his rent?

87 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:28:55pm
88 Eagle  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:29:28pm
Do they suffer from burnout (as many of us in the movement do from time to time)?

Maybe you need some time off to rest and consume drugs... dude.

Funny stuff!

89 Sarah D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:29:38pm

#85 Rayra

Actually, my take on it is that they have a severe aversion to water period.

90 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:29:50pm
91 Evan from NZ  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:31:10pm

If you think that piece read like a parody, try this on for size - fresh from our local :Palestinian Terror-Supporters' Club:

Mendacious Silence

Imagine the headlines and the outrage if armed Palestinians had opened fire on an Israeli neighbourhood and said it was because they felt threatened by the presence of Israeli children near the Green Line. Outrage and international condemnation would have grown had it been further revealed that Palestinians had also shot at Israeli farmers. Sadly, events in Occupied Palestine over the 18th and 19th of March 2005 were found not to be newsworthy.

In Khan Yunis, Israeli forces opened fire on the neighbourhood of Al Amal, apparently because Palestinian children approaching their ‘security’ line alarmed them. The Israeli Army also opened fire on Palestinian farmers, east of the area of Khuza’a, from its position on the Green Line. Meanwhile in Nablus, Mahmoud ‘Ukashah died, finally, of injury from an Israeli bullet that had paralysed him in 1988. The Western news media were silent.

Imagine the headlines and the outrage if armed Palestinians had raided a synagogue in Israel and photographed the worshippers inside. In Hebron, the Israeli Army raided the Al Hussein Mosque and occupied it while they took photographs of worshippers inside the Mosque. The Western news media noticed nothing.

Imagine the headlines and the outrage if armed Palestinians had occupied an Israeli residential building near a synagogue and set up an armed base there. In Hebron, the Israeli Army occupied the roof of a residential building near the Ibrahimi Mosque, surrounded it with barbed wire and converted it into a military post. For the Western news media, that was also a non-event.

Imagine the headlines and the outrage if armed Palestinians had raided an Israeli village and shot up the houses. In Jenin at 3:50am, the Israeli Army raided the Palestinian village of Kafr Ra’i, shooting indiscriminately while invading houses. One of those houses was then occupied by the Israelis, who used it for military purposes. The Israelis also stopped people from entering or leaving the village. In Qalqilya, the Israelis raided the town of ‘Azzun in the afternoon, set up a checkpoint between the towns of ‘Azzun and Kafr Thulth, and searched people and vehicles. At 9:15pm they raided again, prevented people from entering or leaving and ransacked seven of the houses, completely destroying the furniture in some of them. The Israeli Army also detained five people and took one person prisoner. The Western news media told us it was a period of relative calm.

Imagine the headlines and the outrage if armed Palestinians had beaten up an Israeli shepherd. In Bethlehem, a Palestinian shepherd, Farhan Ar Rashayida, was beaten by Israeli troops as he grazed his sheep. His injuries from the beating were so severe he needed to be taken to hospital. In Hebron, an Israeli Army jeep ran over Palestinian woman, Fat’hiyyeh Ash Shantir – she was also taken to hospital. The Western media saw hope in the possibility of ‘reining in Palestinian violence’.

Imagine the headlines and the outrage if armed Palestinians had raided an Israeli village and injured a child. The Israeli Army raided the village of Saffa, injuring two of the villagers, including a child, and at 1:15 in the morning it was the turn of Ramallah’s Um Ash Sharayet neighbourhood to be raided and its people molested. This was followed by yet another raid at 7:15am, in which two Palestinian students, one of them a child, were taken prisoner. For the Western news media all was serenity

continued...

92 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:31:55pm

Sad, pitiful, depressed, desultory, beaten moonbats.

I say kick them while they're down. When they try and get up, keep stomping on them. When they cry uncle, kick them some more. When they promise to pay you to stop kicking them, take their money (confiscate the reefer too, man!) and continue kicking.

Only when they are ready for a nice long penance, as dictated by the kicker, and it is read forcefully and with conviction, may you stop kicking them.

Then it's time for a blanket party.

Moonbat beatdowns: Priceless.

93 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:32:20pm

Its a race against time, as finally one decent looking thunderstorm has broken the cap, and is headed towards the general direction of Houston. Two hours ago this would have really been interesting, but it is about 6:30 pm CST, and the sun is setting. Does not look mesocyclonic.

94 Evan from NZ  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:32:40pm

continued from above:

Imagine the headlines and the outrage if armed Palestinians had beaten an Israeli truck driver in Israel and shot at Israeli children. In Nablus, a Palestinian truck driver, Nawwaf ‘Ayesh Ahmed Hanani, was beaten so severely by a gang of Israeli settlers that he had to be taken by ambulance to hospital. In what has become a familiar type of assault, two Palestinians, Yousef ‘Adel As Safadi and Safwan Abdul Rahim Shihadeh, were run over by an Israeli settler’s vehicle near the village of Az Zawiya. In Hebron also, Israeli settlers from the Jewish settlement of Sussia forcibly prevented Palestinian farmers from ploughing their land near the settlement. A mob of settler extremists, students at the Jewish Religious Institute, stoned and injured Palestinian, Husni Abdul Hayy Abu Sufian. In Ramallah & El Bireh, Israeli settlers opened fire on Palestinian children near the village of Deir Nidham. Still the Western news media remained silent.

The Israeli Government has approved the inclusion of the ideology of racial ‘transfer’ in the school curriculum. The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, as espoused by former extremist right-wing Minister, Rechavam Ze'evi and supported by Knesset members, Uri Ariel and Arieh Eldad, is introduced in Israeli schools. Our news media ignore it.

There were five areas under curfew in Palestine over these two ‘unremarkable’ days. Curfew! A medieval method of imprisoning a population much favoured by Norman invaders to subjugate the English. The Israelis often extend it to include the daylight hours and it is more than an intrusion – any Palestinian who disobeys, resists or shows a face, even at a window, will very likely be shot. The Western news media see no violence here, since it has not come from the Occupied Palestinians.

And while the Israelis continue to annex Palestinian land, Western governments wring their hands but carefully avoid any action that might force Israel to respect international law. The corporate news media continue to spin the news to make it seem that peace and justice depend on Palestinian ‘reform’ and Ariel Sharon’s ‘courageous’ efforts at ‘disengagement’.

This corporate news media silence amounts to complicity. It does not go unnoticed and it contributes to the fury engendered by Western propaganda. It is one of the most potent factors in feeding terrorism because, among those who suffer repression and whose voices are silenced, there are some who find other forms of expression, which put us all in danger.

A democratic way of life cannot be said to be functioning when narrow corporate interests are able to misinform both voters and politicians. When debate is uninformed it becomes the tool of powerful interests; extremism thrives in the shadow of ignorance and poses as moderation. And, while society is encouraged to look the other way, the crimes against humanity continue.

Leslie Bravery
20/3/05

Gives new meaning to the word "deluded".

95 rednaxela  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:33:00pm

OT

8 dead in school shooting at Minnesota Indian reservation school.

[Link: wireservice.wired.com...]

96 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:33:48pm
97 pookleblinky  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:34:03pm

I swear, the demonrats are becoming a Pinky and the Brain episode between the juxtaposition of their evil motives and half-baked efforts at achieving their ends.

"What are we going to do tonight, brain?"

"The same thing we do EVERY night: try to take over the world!"

"With peanuts?"

"Yes, Pinky, we shall take over the world using nothing but peanuts."

"Narf!"

[Oh- LGF is home to some strange people. After I posted a link to my gratuitous wombat nudity in #16, I got a massive surge of hits. Shame on you, wombatporn seekers!]

98 rightymouse  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:35:43pm

#89 Sarah D.

"Actually, my take on it is that they have a severe aversion to water period.


Aside from the hygiene issues, maybe they are afraid of melting?

99 Photios  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:36:12pm

Wooo Hooo! A hat tip! My first (although I two earlier "Reader Photios").

Yes, we have been watching DU for so long I was just wondering how the IndyMediots were doing.

It seems that they're doing fine.

(chuckling)

+Photi

100 Luigi  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:36:31pm

Meanwhile, from the other side of this life..

Israeli armor saves American lives in Iraq

Check out this website.

101 Ludicrous  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:37:42pm

44 scott in east bay

The last time those old hippies had any success with their "movement"s it was thanks to ExLax!

102 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:38:00pm

#96 Rayra

Sounds like fun to me too. It hasn't been done yet? Cool. Let's do!

By the way your San Diego photo log was great! I read it this morning and the commentary was very good too. You made me feel like I was there (only dry).

103 moonflower  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:38:39pm

#81 rednaxala

Yes, I saw those too - I wasn't sure if they were making fun of themselves or not - If they were serious, then my theory here will be proven true.

Liberals are just afraid of the truth. It is as simple as that. They cannot face the fact that we have enemies that cannot be negotiated with or placated. Period. This is a scary thought, but those who have courage (like LGF'ers and most conservatives) can and have faced it and made decisions in that light.

It takes courage to face the truth.

Liberals only want "fantasy".

The good news is that since 9/11 most sane people seem to be developing courage. We can and will sweep the scared liberals aside for their own good.

104 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:39:20pm

It appears some Lizardoid Minions were the only ones to comment on that idiot's claptrap. Poor moonbats are stunned into a depressed silence. We may have seen a breakthrough here.
Maybe alot of them have finally STFU, after years of pleading.

105 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:40:37pm

"The sterile radical, too, is basically conservative. He is afraid to let go of the ideas and beliefs he picked up in his youth lest his life be seen as empty and wasted."

- Eric Hoffer

106 logger phd  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:40:47pm

#97 pookle

I love wombats! I used to draw Australian animals all the time when I was 10. Got any pademelons?

(Ain't it obvious by my posts today I'm dodging getting work done?)

107 Roland  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:42:13pm

I used to dream and yearn for "The Revolution." Thank God that I didn't get my wish! As for this guy, nothing is quite as tired as a tired freak show.

108 Phil.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:42:38pm

I generally think the drug war is a misplaced use of federal funds, but I think this woman's screed just changed my mind.


Pathetic, unbelievable, and irrelevant. The modern day Left.

109 Photios  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:43:20pm

Note the totalitarian overtones.

The leadership of SNOW, NION, ANSWER and others do nothing to challenge the idea that electoral politics are an important avenue of “struggle”. Often this takes the form of the notion that “well, everyone has to do what they are comfortable with. Some of us work to provide spines to the politicians and other work to build demonstrations”. This pabulum serves to obscure the truth that only the threat of social disruption via the mass movement will have any effect on the plans of the warmongers. I’m sorry to have to put it to the more liberal-minded activists that only by ACTIVELY OPPOSING the notion that politicians are our saviors will any positive motion in the political consciousness of the activists occur.

To "Ira" even the Stalinist ANSWER is not Left enough - still too tied to electoral politics.

These are the freaks that support the DPRK doing this.

+Photi

110 rednaxela  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:43:32pm

#101 Ludicrous

If Nixon had been honest, they'd have never "moved" anything.

111 Ann  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:44:00pm

Sarah D.
{melting threads together...}

What's up?

All good! How are you and the kiddo?

112 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:44:03pm

Quark- damaging hail possible San Jacinto and Polk counties.


Tornado warning for Lamar County, so I suppose people should hide in the cellar or bathtub, but I was just looking at the Shreveport radar, and I was not blown away.

113 pookleblinky  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:44:49pm

#106 logger phd

Not yet. I'll have to add more outback beasts to my site to round it out fully.

One day, inshallah, it will look like home to the schizophrenic wombat (pbui) who visits it frequently.

114 Rancher  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:45:14pm

DRAFT! booga booga DRAFT!, DRAFT I say, isn't anyone listening?

115 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:45:36pm

#76 rightymouse,

I believe that you're thinking of the Salami de Amore.

...Which is definately not vegetarian, but certainly is delightful.

116 Ann  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:47:15pm

#112 Ed

I suppose people should hide in the cellar or bathtub, but I was just looking at the Shreveport radar, and I was not blown away.


Did you intend to crack me up? -:)

117 Sarah D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:48:06pm

#111 Ann

We are just fine. Orange blossoms are trying to kill me, but that happens every year. I'm highly allergic to Florida.

Tonight is the last night of my Spring Break, and I got absolutely nothing accomplished since Ed saw fit to send rain my direction for most of the week.

You thought more about that meetup?

118 Colt  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:48:23pm
119 logger phd  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:49:20pm

Great, just great.

Lizard hordes must have crashed the Indymedia site, so I can't read the comments!

120 sms111  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:49:50pm

Charles...just curious...whose baby is that?

121 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:51:07pm

There was an intentional pun in the Shreveport radar comment.

122 lowandslow  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:51:10pm

#53

I'm a little worried about the detail in your fantasy. Been thinking of that one for a while haven't you?

123 thefish  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:51:45pm

I'll bet my house this dingwad looks just like Ward/Chutch Churchill.

124 Roland  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:52:00pm

I think that it is that guy's grand kid.

125 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:52:55pm

#121 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades

Blown away?

126 Gadfly  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:54:16pm

OT But there's good news to report. More dead jihadis (26) Seems they made the mistake of trying a large scale ambush and got it back real bad. All dead or wounded/captured. Guess armed troops are a little tougher than their usual fare of tied up prisoners. This occurred late yesterday I believe, but now its official. Bad Day for Terrorists

They also rounded up 13 more of the scumbags and 10 more confessed to a truck bombing. Lets hope this is in part due to some good tips from fed up locals. Lets see the moonbat spin on this.

127 Ann  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:55:41pm

#117 Sarah D.

You thought more about that meetup?

Oh, yes! Some road trips are in the future, so we will let you know as soon as the schedule permits!

128 cardiacmont  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:55:52pm

#120 sms111

Charles...just curious...whose baby is that?

That's no baby, that's a tenured ethnic studies professor!

129 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:55:54pm

Well, the other fantasy, is that I'm a low budget porno director/producer, and I'm giving try-outs to the talent.

I've asked my wife about wrapping a towel around her head, and pretending to be an Afghani woman grateful for being liberated, but I could tell she wasn't getting into that one.


Reminds me of a letter to Ann Landers or Dear Abby I read about. A woman was nervous because her husband was a mortician, and he'd ask her to wear pale makeup and soak herself in a cold bath before they "did it".

BTW, fanstasies with whip cream and food sound fun, but I find being sticky a big distraction, not to mention the mess on the sheets.

130 CrimsonFisted  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:56:18pm

#117 Sarah D

Meet up in Florida?

131 rightymouse  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:56:24pm

#109 Photios

"To "Ira" even the Stalinist ANSWER is not Left enough - still too tied to electoral politics.

These are the freaks that support the DPRK doing this."

Our Marxist fools have learned nothing from the proven horrors of their fantasy "utopia". It's 1919 all over again for them, never mind what is going on in front of their faces in North Korea, etc.

Spit.

132 letsgosurf  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:56:40pm

I am sorry to say there are a great number of these moonbats flying around Seattle and teaching our children the same in Seattle schools.

This is from a letter by Major Terry Thomas to the Seattle School board:

"Upon entering the theater at 12:30 PM, approximately 15 minutes prior to the event, I was taken aback by what I witnessed. As I stood there in my Marine Corps Dress Blue uniform, there before me stood numerous kids running around in sloppily dressed and ill-fitted helmets and military fatigues with utter disrespect for the symbols and uniforms of the U.S. military. The walls were covered in camouflaged netting and the stage was covered with approximately twenty white, life-sized cut-out patterns in the shape of dead women and children, all of which were splattered in red-paint to depict human blood. Onstage, children were kneeling and weeping while dressed in ill-fitted Arabic headdress with white-faced masks similarly covered in red paint to depict human blood. At a podium, children were reading a monologue of how U.S. troops were killing civilians and shooting at women and children. Moreover, several grown adults were standing on stage in bright orange jump-suits, with black bags on and off their heads, some bound and tied, and some banging symbols and gongs in a crude depiction of what I believe were their efforts to depict victims of the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse episode.

Within the auditorium, numerous adults appeared to have been supervising this behavior and children were literally running amok. What is going on in your classrooms and auditoriums? Who supervised this program? Who are these grown adults dressed as prisoners and performing such the attics on the stage of our public schools? Since when has it become Seattle School Board policy to take an official anti-troops position and declare returning combat veterans from Iraq such as myself as killers of innocent women and children as if this war were some sick sport. As an Iraq war veteran I am outraged by what I witnessed going on at West Seattle High School!

My fellow veterans and I were immediately made to feel unwelcome by these organizers as if each of us were the devil himself; indiscriminate killers and enemies of our own community. To someone's credit, all of this nonsense was ceased less than one minute prior to the curtain going up. I can only assume someone realized how sickly embarrassing this would be for the school district. However, this last minute cover-up does not excuse what was going on and it appears to have been going on for quite sometime given the obviously lengthy art and script preparation developed for this event. I and the other veterans from Afghanistan, the Balkans and Ms. Gulit from Operation Support Our Troops were all witness to this ugly spectacle along with over 40 or so people that appeared to be willingly participating in this depravity."

Reat the entire letter at:
[Link: soundpolitics.com...]

133 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:57:46pm

Cool, I'd been running low on fantasies! What color towel?

134 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:58:21pm
activists had some optimism that the movement against imperialist war would grow fast
One absolutely critical component to US imperialism’s ever expanding world empire


Why do the moonbats always claim as one ot their 'talking points' that it's all about imperialism? It's usually the point where I walk away, shaking my head... How many countries have US forces invaded thoughout history, through two world wars? Many... but we have NEVER forced them to be part of our 'empire', ruled over by the US... they just don't get it... usually all we ask is they be (or become) democratic (ie: free) and sometimes a portion of land to bury our dead.

What a bunch of imperialistic bushitler a$$holes!
/moonbat off

Sheesh... look at history... it's pretty clear...

135 Sarah D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:59:31pm

#130 CrimsonFisted

Not sure yet, more likely a compromise somewhere between FL and those lizards who live farther north.

136 pdotfu  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 2:59:43pm

Pooky, hm. Some call ME a wombat. But a backed up frustrated vicious wombat. So, of course, I had to look.

137 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:00:03pm

OT

Anyone else think Prince Charles and Camilla of three names could be confused with hall trees at the reception?

138 plutosdad  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:00:27pm

Yeah that WTO protest, that was great.

"Stop giving people in the 3rd world jobs! That is barbarian! Just give them money! They want to be poor and live in the jungle!"

Maybe someone can explain to her "because Jan 30, 2005 proved us all wrong"?

The Green party's idea of helping tsunami victims

139 mungagungadin  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:00:27pm

charles,

I get a warm-fuzzy schadenfreude feeling from reading your finds from the dark side of the brain. OH never stop, I'm addicted.

munga

ps, to the vege adventurers: finding something that tastes almost edible but didn't really kill a creature: IF GOD HAD WANTED US TO BE VEGETARIAN HE WOULDN'T HAVE MADE ANIMALS OUT OF MEAT.

140 mich-again  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:01:10pm

Dear Ira at Indymedia,

Maybe its not all that complicated. Maybe America-hating by Americans is losing momentum because more and more of the stools in the "movement" are starting to realize its all a hypocritical waste of time to rally against the spread of freedom and liberty in the ME. jes sayin..

141 rightymouse  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:01:42pm

#115 Ringo the Gringo

"believe that you're thinking of the Salami de Amore.

...Which is definately not vegetarian, but certainly is delightful"


Oh, yeah. :)

Sill want to know what was on that vegan Love Burger. Hubby has a bunch of vegans on his side and I never know what to serve them.

142 Ed from Ohio  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:01:56pm

what's up with the weather reports on LGF now-a-days

143 Malleus Dei  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:02:37pm

Someone needs to tell this guy that Communism is dead and buried.

144 plutosdad  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:04:46pm

will allow imperialism to reinstitute the draft that much sooner.

Yeah those damn Democrats trying to re-institute the draft! Why I oughtta - nevermind.

145 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:05:40pm

maybe a hint of rotation in the cell near San Felipe de Austin.

Meso a little more obvious on New Braunfels doppler.

However, HGX reflectivity suggests storm there starting to weaken slightly, so the threat of hail is diminishing.


Also,

...THE TORNADO WARNING FOR EASTERN LAMAR COUNTY WILL BE ALLOWED TO
EXPIRE AT 700 PM...

AT 659 PM CST THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM THAT PROMPTED THE TORNADO WARNING WEAKENED AND NO LONGER APPEARED CAPABLE OF PRODUCING A TORNADO. THE TORNADO WARNING FOR EASTERN LAMAR COUNTY WILL BE ALLOWED TO EXPIRE AT 700 PM.


With the sun setting, the atmosphere will start quieting down. Except maybe Arkansas where wind dynamics will at least partially offset stabilization due to nighttime cooling.

146 Ann  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:06:30pm

133 Aladin Sane

What color towel?

Ahhh, he likes details -:)

147 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:06:31pm

#143 Malleus Dei

The modern Left is trying to play Frankenstein with Communism. They keep assuring us that it'll work this time around, if only we make the proper changes. They keep telling us that, with the fall of capitalism, the world will become a more equal and peaceful place. They keep attributing all of the world's ills to the belief that the desire to earn money is evil and that everybody would be happy with receiving just the bare minimum necessary to live.

Communism - All are equal in poverty.

148 Malleus Dei  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:08:22pm

"usually all we ask is they be (or become) democratic (ie: free) and sometimes a portion of land to bury our dead."

That's right; we demand that they govern themselves in a free and democratic manner and that they give us enough land to bury our dead in. To the evil moonbats of the Left, this constitutes "imperialism," not because we are putting the nation into OUR empire, but because we are permanently taking it away from the Left's evil empire.


Historical note - Secretary of State Dean Rusk's biting retort to President Charles DeGaulle of France when DeGaulle demanded the immediate withdrawal of all American troops from France: "Does that include all the ones in the cemetaries, mon general?"

149 DingleB  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:10:28pm

As someone who has served with draftees and seen firsthand the collective sadsack mentality they have...It will be a very warm day in Cleveland before the U.S. seriously considers it as a viable option.

Anybody who believes there is some secret desire on the part of the military community to reinstitute the draft is a poster child Douche Bag.

150 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:10:55pm

The Afghanistan grateful woman finally receiving Western style mutually beneficial lovemaking was more my style about 2 years ago.

It might have worked if my wife hadn't thought it was so humorous.


Perhaps I'll start pretending my wife is a Lebanese protestor sometimes, but I won't tell her 'cause she thinks I'm kind of weird.

151 Barbara Skolaut  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:11:05pm

Wotta maroon.

Very entertaining, Charles. :-D

152 piglet  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:11:22pm
Let's blockade the ports. Rich people do not care if the Federal government has a slow day of buisiness. But if we can stop or delay shipments of imported electronic goods and cheap tennis shoes, belive me, even the people inside the white house will have to stand up and take notice.

Only been tried once. Being shot straight on with rubber bullets by police saved the dumbasses from a vicous beating of the century from the longshoremen, imho.

153 rightymouse  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:12:39pm

#143 Malleus Dei

"Someone needs to tell this guy that Communism is dead and buried."

Well...it isn't really dead and buried yet. We have NK, Cuba, China (sort of), Laos, Vietnam, Burma (with a new cute name), a bunch of despots in South America who lick Castro's butt, and of course we have Canada, France, Germany etc. who just use a different moniker for their pathetic economies and social policies.

But! We do know that Communism cannot withstand a century in practice. So there is hope.

Off to do homework with #5 child.

154 old_dude  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:13:43pm

Funny, there didn't seem to be any protests against the war in Iraq. Or Lebanon.

155 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:15:18pm

148 Malleus Dei

That's right; we demand that they govern themselves in a free and democratic manner and that they give us enough land to bury our dead in.

Nice post MD!

156 Paul  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:15:42pm

So what is "Ira"? Is he a Leninist, a Stalinist, a Maoist, a Trotskyite, a Spartacist, a Castroite, an anarcho-syndicalist or a vegan-nihilist?

157 dcbatlle  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:17:30pm

Frankly, I’d bet that the working class on the whole harbors fewer of such illusions, it’s just that most of them have no idea that they can actually do anything about the situation.

Curious and funny how the old Leftist refers to folks as "the workers" and "the working class", as if he was still in old Soviet Russia.

I guess if I don't live in a big city I'm from the "peasant class".

158 traumakitty  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:17:45pm

Hey Ed, What's the weather like south of Houston toward Victoria and Corpus? Got to drive this evening!

159 right wing nutt  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:17:54pm

someone should ask this peace activist, if America was so 'imperalist' then why the hell did we hold a world monopoly for decades on the a-bomb, the ultimate weapn, that we could've used to take over every country we chose too? instead we never used it until it was to save millions of lives and end the big one, WW2

160 traveler  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:18:23pm

In between protests, I wonder if Ira told his caseworker that one of his more promising interviews this week was with Vandelay Industries.

161 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:18:54pm
Historical note - Secretary of State Dean Rusk's biting retort to President Charles DeGaulle of France when DeGaulle demanded the immediate withdrawal of all American troops from France: "Does that include all the ones in the cemetaries, mon general?"

Nice! hadn't heard that quote before but I'm gonna remember that one... I do know DeGaulle was a huge thorn in the side of FDR and Churchill (Winston, not to be confused with that other freak) there are telegrams exchanged between the two about DeGaulle that are a hoot to read, they are on the net somewhere...

Factoid: DeGaulle threatened to tell the french resistance to fight against the americans on the eve of normandy, seems his feelings were hurt because we didn't include him much in the planning/runup. FDR and Churchill slapped some sense into him...

162 Gringo  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:21:04pm

#68 logger phd 3/21/2005 04:15PM PST
Has anyone considered the real, deeply hidden demographic indicator?

Declining birthrates?

Increased financial comfort and success among all Americans?

No, not those: I mean that the anti-war chicks aren't as hot as they were in the 60s
___
Boy you got that right! Especially in Seattle, those that aren't dykes are au natural (no makeup, no combing or brushing of hair, no decent looking clothes, but plenty of body hair...).

163 traveler  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:21:15pm

#161 Yankee Division Son

Factoid: DeGaulle threatened to tell the french resistance to fight against the americans on the eve of normandy, seems his feelings were hurt because we didn't include him much in the planning/runup. FDR and Churchill slapped some sense into him...

No kidding? I had not heard that before. Kind of takes the shine off his "member of the resistance" glory. Interesting factoid.

164 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:21:24pm

158

Probably pretty dull, especially once past VCT. I may have gotten food poisoning once from a BBQ restaurant with a Czechoslovakian name in El Campo. So be careful.

Not all bad though, the power supply on the KCRP WSR-88D NexRad Doppler Radar failed, and you wouldn't be able to enjoy radar watching anyway.

165 traumakitty  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:23:46pm

# 164, Thanks Ed!

166 Ojoe  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:25:03pm

My comments are:

1. The activist here dreams of "enough power to be massively socially disruptive". This is a telling quote. This kind of activisim is doomed to fail, because most people in the USA are smart enough to not want massive social disruption, and the real hardship that it would bring - like not enough food on the shelves in the markets. I think this "activist" can't see the big picture.

2.Even if this activist's "fantasy" was realized of 50,000 people sitting down around the federal building to shut it down for two days, that takes 100,000 person days to prevent maybe at most a few hundred person-days of work at the federal building. Impossible ratio. 100,000 person days is 274 years worth of days. You can't find such a supply of idiocy here, thank G-d.

3. The "activist" talks of the "ruling calss" and considers herself not a part of it actually. Thus, she doesn't get the fact that the PEOPLE are soverign in this country. She needs some remedial education in civics.

4. It is starting to look like the country is a bit more sane than in the past.

167 black_flag  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:25:05pm

Remember folks, don't eat the brown acid.


Secondly,
"It’s not clear what has become of them."
Sorry lady but the Hip and Trendy(c) "movement against imperialist war" doesnt get the bills paid, your young militant activists grabbed a soy latte at Starbucks on the walk back to thier SUV's for the drive home.

feh.

168 traveler  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:28:28pm

#148 Malleus Dei

Historical note - Secretary of State Dean Rusk's biting retort to President Charles DeGaulle of France when DeGaulle demanded the immediate withdrawal of all American troops from France: "Does that include all the ones in the cemetaries, mon general?"

Checkmate!

169 LoFlyer  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:28:41pm

It is interesting that the only ones calling for a draft are the liberals. The military is dead set against it because they have learned that to win it takes smart, motivated troops to handle the equipment and the dirty work. The lefts hope was that a draft would be reinstituted resulting in Viet Nam era type anti-war rallies. If they can’t get the people to the rallies then they lose media attention and their bid to alter American foreign policy. With the January elections in Iraq the anti-war crowd doesn’t have a logical argument against the general population that supports the occupation. They are losing badly, and they need to get used to it. Going to Canada sounds wonderful to the lefties, but Canada also expects you to work fulltime to become a citizen. Bummer!

170 Earl  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:29:12pm

#30 Ohio Ed

I checked into indywhatever.org, and tuned into the St. Pancake hagiographic radio interview with this loser:

Joe Carr is an anti-oppression activist from Kansas City, Missouri and worked with the ISM in Rafah for four months in 2003 and is now an activist with Christian Peacemaker teams. He has also worked with Food Not Bombs, Earth First and Arts in Action. He is also a performance artist, musician and poet and has written a song about Rachel called A Dove's Last Song. (31:29 / 21.6 MB)

Just. Barking. Mad. These pathetic, self-righteous, self-loathing, America-hating, Jew-hating moonbats deserve all the scorn and ridicule we can dump on them. They are just too stupid to live.

171 d_on_a_palehorse  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:29:52pm

'nother thing for this dude to comtemplate,...we're going to start letting our daughters bitch slap these nincompoops!

172 Ed from Ohio  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:31:21pm

indybay.org is the largest group of useful idiots around. I abuse them constantly. I use their own words against them.

They have completely lost it

173 cardiacmont  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:33:39pm

#10 The False God 3/21/2005 03:44PM PST
Charles! Your forgot the baby cry wav file!

If you don't have it anymore, I do! If you'd like it, just ask me to send it to you.

I've gotten so much hate from using it. It's useful!


--- Click on the pic :)

174 Deuce  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:36:13pm

He'll feel a lot better if he takes 35 aspirin.

175 tigger2005  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:39:30pm

# 159

We didn't hold the monopoly on the A-bomb for "decades." The Soviet Union exploded its first atomic bomb August 1949.

Still, between 1945 and 1949 we COULD have easily taken over the world using nukes, with virtually no opposition.

176 cat dancing  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:39:41pm

#132 letesgosurf

Not only that, but Mrs Gulit and the soldiers were deliberately set up.

I heard Mrs Gulit on a local (CT) radio program and she was emphatic that she and the soldiers were brought in under false pretenses. In spite of repeated questions, they were led to believe that the program would be nothing more than a pro and con discussion of the war.
They were also told that it would be for students only and that they couldn't bring "outsiders". But when they arrived there were many anti-war adults present who had been invited by the organizers.

These lying low lifes are indoctrinating our children all over the country.

177 Editor2  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:39:43pm

Somebody check that guy's diaper!

178 T. Jefferson  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:41:34pm

U.S. Moves Troops from Iraq to Protect Protestors

(2005-03-20) -- The Pentagon today announced it will redeploy some troops currently stationed in Iraq to protect anti-war protestors in North Carolina.
179 LSD  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:43:43pm
180 Nibbles_the_Shark  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:44:02pm

Wow.

I just misread that, thinking it WAS an Iowahawk parody, until I glanced back up looking for the disclaimer, as I usually do three or four times when reading one of his parodies. Oh.

That was a weird feeling.

181 Jheka  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:44:22pm

#178 T. Jefferson:

Um, you do know who Scott Ott (Scrappleface) is, don't you?

182 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:45:06pm

Top 5 words a liberal rant can't do without...

I submit these

Nazi
Regime
Neo-Con
Imperialism
War Criminal

Notice the lovely symettry

You can't find a real good pissed of lefty rant without all five. Any further lists?

183 Hari Seldon  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:46:18pm

Ok well i haven't read the comments but i feel the need to make a comment to the article :

there’s a reason why your not attracting the youth you once did, and that is because my generation doesn't want what your selling. those of us who in the past would probably be the militant teens are instead almost universally conservative. We see the results of liberalism and we know its morally bankrupt and illogical. This is esp. prominent in our education system. any engineers, writers, or anyone of real skill that comes out of my generations education system most likely will credit educators with little. The only really good teachers I’ve ever had were those that followed the traditional methods. All the smart kids at my school are either conservative, moderate leaning conservatives or politically uncaring. The only liberals are the artistic utopians who are really just lazy stoners (though they are very nice people they dont make great revoluationaries) . So ask yourself why are the young not joining you? Because you have nothing the young want. We don’t see in you the ideals of a revolution, we see the ideals of selfish lazy cowards. We look around the world and we see the results, we know its got nothing to do with you and if you had your way the world would be a much worse place. So if you want to know what ideology would get you more young people, become conservative. otherwise settle for the bored and inactive and undynamic hippy wannabes and slowly fade away


just a teenagers poitn of view

184 traveler  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:48:35pm

#183 Hari

Well said -- teenager or not! And you're just the target audience they're looking for. It's good to know not every teenager is susceptible to their snake oil.

185 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:50:25pm

182 Eric Cartman's Conscience

Top 5 words a liberal rant can't do without...

What about facist?

186 T. Jefferson  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:50:26pm

Jheka (181):

Relax. I most certainly know. I enjoy his dry humor.

:-)

TJ

187 Mike McDaniel  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:50:30pm

No! No!

The military DOES want a draft.

Not for soldiers.

For mine-clearing units.

Why risk a dog when a liberal will do?

188 Victor  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:50:41pm

#183 Hari Seldon  3/21/2005 05:46PM PST

Well said, Hari.

189 Al di Grandpa  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:50:49pm

OT: Chas, we'll need a thread on this story

School Shooting

Michael Moore is getting to be just as reliable as Jesse Jackson. "Bowling for Red Lake" coming up!

190 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:52:31pm

#183 Hari

When you running? I'll vote for ya'. Oh, by the way, you just got banned at Democratic Underground.

191 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:52:40pm

189 Al di Grandpa

Michael Moore is getting to be just as reliable as Jesse Jackson. "Bowling for Red Lake" coming up!

I'm afraid you're right. That cheeseburger sucking bastard will find a way to use this for his own gain.

worthless fat bastard!

192 Clutch  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:54:12pm

#100 Luigi

(Re: Israeli technology saving American lives)

Israel, have I told you lately that I love you?

(Yes, the Van Morrison love song to 'J3-Zu5' made famous by Rod 'The Mod' Stewart...)

193 Earl  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:54:37pm

Hey lizards,

Without flogging the (obviously-dead) Rachel Corrie horse to death, lookee here at the indybay.org post under the "The Courage of Rachel Corrie" thread:

I don't want to see any inappropriate comments on this thread. If you disagree with Rachel's mission post elsewhere. Do not disrespect this individual and do not disrespect Dr. McCarthy. There will be consequences. Thank you for excercising restraint and tact.

Plymouth Street Neighborhood Council

Whooo's afraid of the Plymouth Street Neighborhood Council?
/channelling Monty Python

Who needs cable when you can just log onto the indybay.org site, and laugh yourself silly for nothing?

194 [Engineer]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:55:49pm

Let me try

If you can't remember for sure the last time you had a bath, you might be a moonbat.

If you use "no war for oil," "bushilter," and "selected not elected" in the same sentence, you might be a moonbat

If you carry a sign in a peace march saying "I don't use oil, I ride the bus", you might be a moonbat

If, on a left wing blog, you pat everyone on the back by posting "We all have double digit IQ's here," you might be a moonbat.

(the last two really happened)

195 Hari Seldon  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:57:35pm

Traveler, victor, and Cartman's Conscience thank you for the feed back

Cartman's Conscience thanks for the vote, and thanks for DU’s vote to, a ban from them is a compliment of the highest order

196 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:57:40pm
If we are to play a role in accelerating the growth of this force, we’d better sort out what political views we need to promote within it and what views we need to, frankly, oppose.

This guy's been marching in protests since Moses was a tyke and he hasn't sorted out yet what views to promote and what views to oppose? You know, if you didn't show up to the rallies stoned and spend your time hitting up on braless hippy chicks, you might have figured that one out by now.

197 MagnaniomousCoward  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:58:25pm

YES! The baby is back. Just yesterday I was thinking of demanding it back. Good thing that our telepathic lizard hive mind is still working.

198 Joel  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 3:58:36pm

Gee the moonbat can actually say "U.S. imperialism" without a lisp.

199 Victor  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:00:55pm

What fun. If you want a good laugh do click on the link to that Seattle IndyMedi site and read the comments -- all lizards skewering moonbat, and enjoying themselves maybe a little too much ;-) But by the last comment, well, they're finally on to us! LoL! ::

THESE POSTS ARE FROM LGF
Posted by: SeaTac Guy at Mar 21, 2005 17:37

This article was linked to by 'Little Green Footballs' website. Its a far-right hate site run by some guy called Charles Johnson. His commentators are well known for what they're doing here, spewing wingnut bile. They are a pro-war, pro-bush bunch of freepers and dittoheads. They have a short attention span and will soon be off somewhere else, as directed by their leader Johnson. For more on them, check [Link: www.lgfwatch.blogspot.com...]

BWA-HA-HA-HA!

200 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:02:36pm

OT

Charles,
Can we have a that-which-should-not-be-spoken-about thread?

It's still in the news, and it's not over yet.

201 will_not_back_down  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:03:14pm

Sssh 24 is on.

202 Gringo  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:04:04pm

#183 hari

¡Wow! Good Job! Well said! You give me hope, obviously the education system in the US doesn't fail everyone! Even if your success is due mainly to your own efforts, at least the system made it possible for you to extend those efforts in the right direction.

203 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:05:55pm
He is also a performance artist, musician and poet and has written a song about Rachel called A Dove's Last Song. (31:29 / 21.6 MB)

"A Dove's Last Song"

"F*CK the Jews! F**K Israel! I'M NOT MOVING FOR A RACIST JEW BULLDOZ-umpf! Ouch!"


(Pardon me for being insensitive.)

204 pookleblinky  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:07:25pm

Woohoo!

I just got "The Open Borders Lobby and the Nation's Security After 9/11" in the mail, free from Frontpage!

205 Dave the.....  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:08:05pm

179/189

This is what real Indians have to deal with. We have Churchill the fake Indian earning $96,000 a year for doing nothing, $4,000 per appearence to spread his hate on other college campus'.

I'd like to see Churchill help out the people of Red Lake.

206 [Engineer]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:09:34pm

#200 Aladin Sane

Can we have a that-which-should-not-be-spoken-about thread?

Haven't you figured out yet that that subject is off topic for this blog?

207 BananaRepublican  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:10:53pm

Sod off, Swampies

208 netvet  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:10:56pm

Ok.

The audio link is hilarious.

209 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:11:17pm

Victor: Those comments are a hoot!

Yes, please block the ports. Go and try to force Teamsters to do without their paychecks. They are very understanding and will probably serve you coffee. Oh, this should be fun to watch!

Posted by: Babagi at Mar 21, 2005 16:19
You have my sympathy. It must be terribly difficult to have once been a useful idiot, but now be reduced to a useless idiot.

ROTFLMAO!

210 Dave the.....  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:14:00pm
They have a short attention span and will soon be off somewhere else, as directed by their leader Johnson


Charles, my short attention span has made me bored with this thread. What shall I do next?

211 Lady Redhawk  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:14:19pm

#200 Aladin Sane

Go over to Ev and zorkie's, at discardedlies.com.

You'll be welcome.

212 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:14:24pm

206 [Engineer]

Haven't you figured out yet that that subject is off topic for this blog?

Yeah, I guess I have, but it still bothers me. It seems like it needs more discussion as it's a serious issue.

Just me.

Ban me. I don't care. I just can't let it go...

213 Beagle  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:16:37pm

#91 Evan from NZ

"Imagine the reaction" repeated a dozen or more times. OK, I will.

We urge Israel not to overreact. The cycle of violence must end. Israel needs to make more concessions to pave the road to peace. How can we expect the Palestinian leadership to control its own people? And so on...

Another suicide bomber kills a dozen Jews?

We urge Israel not to overreact...

214 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:17:13pm

#194 Engineer

If, on a left wing blog, you pat everyone on the back by posting "We all have double digit IQ's here," you might be a moonbat.

Well I suppose an IQ of 10 is something to be proud of when you've blown the other 95 points out the back of your head smoking crack to empathise with the tramps you accidentally stepped on during the march, no?

PS

Sarah D. Check your email - it might be late but I reckon I actually managed to send you a coupla nice pikkies (including one of Lord Moonbatten in his khaki pants and pink vest).

215 Cy_Kologis  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:19:01pm

A friend of mine spoke of a conversation he had with an owner of a leftist bookstore in a university town. (Yep, I'm being vague to protect the innocent.) The subject of conversation turned to Pol Pot, at which point the bookstore owner started to speak of Pol Pot in glowing terms. My friend asked, "Wait a minute, you like Pol Pot? What about the genocide he committed against the Cambodian people?!?". The bookstore owner replied, "Hey, I'm not saying there weren't excesses!"

I'm willing to bet he's a regular poster at Indymedia.

216 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:19:58pm
217 Sarah D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:20:40pm

#214 Al Charabiya

I got them! She's so...artistically challenged!

I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I'll get them up here in a bit!

218 traveler  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:22:29pm

#215 Cy_kologis

The bookstore owner replied, "Hey, I'm not saying there weren't excesses!"

Ha! I had a moonbat tell me "Look, I know Saddam's not the nicest guy..."

219 Carolynp  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:22:39pm

As usual, a picture is worth a thousand words! Maybe a billion words from some moonbats...though zero would be nice.

OT: I'm reading some of the new legislation in my state. There's a bill to institude an agency to help veterans access benefits. Hmm...like an agency to help veterans manage their affairs, more like a department, Yeah! We could call it the Department of Veterans Affairs! Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? I wonder why our state is in such sorry financial condition?

220 Mentat  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:24:32pm

Charles:

LGF gets a mention in TIME Magazine:

[Link: www.time.com...]

Blogwatch

Monday, Mar. 28, 2005
Although C-SPAN may seem like a straight shooter, blogs across the political spectrum, from RESPECTFUL OF OTTERS to ELEPHANTSBUS, lambasted the channel last week for planning to "balance" its coverage of a lecture by Holocaust scholar Deborah Lipstadt with a speech by Holocaust denier David Irving, who has argued that the Nazis' crimes have been overplayed. Amid the kerfuffle, some conservative bloggers even found a way to blame Bill Clinton--for how far the once noble C-SPAN has fallen--while LITTLE GREEN FOOTBALLS featured the best one-liners: e.g., "What's next, bin Laden rebutting Wolfowitz?"

From the Mar. 28, 2005 issue of TIME magazine

221 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:25:41pm

216 Iron Fist

'sup Homes?

222 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:26:06pm

#212 Aladin Sane

Let off your steam here - you don't want to get banned - there's also the Friday Open Thread to check out otherwise, if you can load a thread with 1800 odd messages... Thom's list is pretty good - if none of the links work for you get back to me, but this is not the place... I think others will back me up on this one.

PS Doncha just hate it when you forget to fill in your details and internet explorer can't remember that nice long post you just spent 20 minutes on, grrr... Here endeth the lesson from angry bear :P

223 Lady Redhawk  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:26:29pm

#216 Iron Fist

Please be careful at your meet-up! The cretins over at "LGFWatch" are planning on taking surveillance pictures of you all. Also, there were some threats made against LGFers at Jerry Browns site (he erased the whole thread after Quilly Mammoth mentioned a lawsuit if any of you guys got hurt.)

Please, PLEASE watch each others backs! These folks are psychologically unbalanced, and downright scary.

224 Carolynp  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:27:03pm

#220 Do they get double letter points for using "kerfuffle"? I thought this was the intellectual left mouthpiece?

225 MoonbatBane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:28:04pm

#183 Hari Seldon 3/21/2005 05:46PM PST

Wow! What a great piece of commentary!

226 traveler  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:28:31pm

#212 Aladin Sane

Yeah, don't get banned. I'm heartsick, too -- but it will only serve to let ugliness bloom here again. If you go to the blogs, you can let your feelings out among like-minded folks.

227 Victor  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:29:06pm

Now, as far as LGF and Charles comprising a "far right hate site", well, lets admit, lizards, that we do feel hate, at times, and that we express it in often colorful terms, as poster Amos did in the IndyMedia comments section, describing poor Ira as a, "pathetic, self indulgent socialist cat fucker". Okay, even if it is funny, it isn't exactly loving, it must be admitted. But there does seem to be a general sense on LGF that destructive, lunatic, and suicidal social policies are not to be loved, and that indeed it may actually be a moral virtue to hate these things, within reason, of course. So yes, we hate.

But the "right-wing" business bugs me and always has. I know it's used as a lazy slur like "fascist", but I'm not particularly right-wing, whatever the hell that means, and I suspect that many lizards feel the same. The only thing that really seems to unite us is an understanding of, and value for, human political liberty. If that's "right-wing", well, so be it.

LGF: Fascists for Freedom

228 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:29:26pm
229 traveler  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:31:49pm

#228 American Infidel

Great Idea! Just don't get your tail smashed in the car door...

230 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:31:54pm

#217 Sarah D.

No hurry, I've been super-slow myself this weekend, and I imagine you're far far busier than I am. Artistically challenged is probably one of the nicer compliments she's ever been given :) Just thought she'd make you smile - imagine how embarrassing it was for me to make HER smile:

"say cheese!"

"no, you CAN smile if you want to"

"that's right, try to think of a world full of gay dolphins"

"aaah - gotcha!"

231 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:31:57pm

All,
I asked for a new thread, where those interested could comment. Sheesh, I'm not an anarchist.

I'll shaddap, I can't see blogging on anyplace other than LGF being meaningful.

/argumentative off, contentiousness off

Aladin is being have!

232 DJPR  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:32:38pm

I for one fear that one day that will be a 50,000 strong protestors marching through with a radical left agenda. What I worry even more is that groups like International ANSWER via other groups like MoveOn will be able to mobilize such a crowd through bring about a certain facade that hides their true extremism - pitching a more moderate position. Those marching wont know what they are really marching for.

Already, the Left has framed all their issues as Social Justice issues - how can anyone be against Social Justices? The Bush Administration has framed their issues as Freedom - but honestly, Freedom does not carry as much currency as "Justice", esp. for the (economiclly) downtrodden Americans. Fredom appeals to the downtrodden and oppressed people in other countries, but not for an America already Free.

So no time to mock and gloat, folks. A few battles have been won, but the war will be long and brutal.

233 cba  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:35:13pm

#209 Miss Donna V:
I also thought the Teamsters comment was very funny. I nearly posted it right away but thought I'd read through this thread to see if anyone else had commented on it.

And now there's probably another 100 or so comments that were posted while I was reading...

234 Victor  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:35:31pm

#228 American Infidel  3/21/2005 06:29PM PST

"I think the group of Lizardoids that is attending should alter its plans and make it a masquerade ball... or they could come in wearing giant green foam footballs...

lizard puppets on stilts...

235 [Engineer]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:35:55pm

#228 American Infidel

I think the group of Lizardoids that is attending should alter its plans and make it a masquerade ball

I would really like to see you tell Iron First to his face that he should wear a mask for his safety.

236 hunter888  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:36:30pm

Hang in there Aladin,

I think tomorrow will bear fruit on the subject you desire...

237 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:38:12pm
238 Aladin Sane  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:39:03pm

236 hunter888

Hang in there Aladin

I've been advised not to comment...

239 Fay  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:39:20pm

Well, I was in Seattle this weekend. I went down there so that Matt and I could visit the exhibit currently on show at the Washington State History Museum in Tacoma: September 11: Bearing Witness to History. This is a brilliant, evocative and emotional display. The feelings of that day never subside, the impact is as great now as it was then. I suggest that "Ira" drag his sorry ass down there, then we'll see how long his Seattle "fantasy" lasts.

Idiot.

240 altrisk  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:41:31pm

I was in NYC Sat nite, walking up 5th Ave around 55th St around 5:30, when this Moonbat, dressed in tweeds, comes screaming down from Central Park on a bike, yelling "Resist! Resist!"

Unfortunately I was a bit too far away to either stick out my foot or arm.

241 American Infidel[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:41:48pm
242 Ann  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:43:09pm

201 will_not_back_down
Two lizards meeting at Ruby Tuesday's on Skibo tomorrow at 6:00... email me - we would love to have you join us!

243 yochanan  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:43:12pm

there are reports of Iraqi taking out forign terrorists. And no iraqi aclu to save the terrorist butts. Maybe we could ship over some black bloc anarchists and A.N.S.W.E.R. traitors for this kind of treatment

244 cba  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:47:52pm

I went back to that site to see if there were any more funny comments and surprise! All the really good ones had been deleted (including that great Teamsters one).

I'm shocked... shocked, I tell you!

245 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:48:46pm

#227 Victor

The "right-wing" thing makes me go "huh?" too. When I was a moonbat everyone I hated was "right-wing" - these days the equivalent is everyone that likes W has to be a nazi. I still can't fathom what was going through my head other than low self-esteem and lots of cheap alcohol to be honest, otherwise I might have been able to help you out! Despite my idiotarian college phase where I didn't read a single book for 3 years (just like "Screw 'Em" Kos still lives his life apparently), my political beliefs are now a fairly schizophrenic collage of what might be considered left, centrist and right-wing ideas.

I guess I'm saying I completely agree. If a love of political freedom and being able to say whatever you want makes me "right-wing" then so be it. Especially as being "left-wing" currently seems to mean anti-freedom, pro-jihad and thus ultimately anti-women/gay/infidel/non-arab - rights.

I hear a lot of "I don't agree with what you've got to say but I'll fight to death for you to be able to say it" talk from the "left" these days, but when I see them cosying up to Islamofascists (RedKen are you listening you cnut?) it becomes painfully obvious that these idiots don't mean a word they say.

246 Tim in PA  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:51:44pm

Don't these stupid hippies realize that we neither want nor need their help on the battlefield?

I spent a while carrying a ruck and a rifle -- though not in combat -- but I'd rather face 10 to 1 odds all by myself than fight alongside a bunch of useless draftees who don't want to be there.

The only time I can really imagine a draft being instituted is in the case of a full scale invasion of the US. And who, exactly, is going to invade us? Mexico? Canada? Even IF we did face such a threat, a modern war would be over long before any draftees ever made it to combat, and even IF they managed to get there they would be useless in our highly trained professional volunteer military.

The draft simply isn't relevant anymore, and it isn't coming back no matter how much the moobats fantasize about it.

247 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:53:54pm
Already, the Left has framed all their issues as Social Justice issues - how can anyone be against Social Justices?

Well, nobody is, but the day when you could argue that Americans should reach ever-deeper into their pocketbooks to pay for an ever-expanding list of "Social Justice issues" reached it's zenith in the late '60's and early '70's. Johnson's "War on Poverty" was an abject failure and most people (even many Dems) know it. Outside of the big cities, liberal Democrats have a tough time getting votes - which is why they increasingly look to the judiciary and will fight Dubya's court nominees tooth and nail.

I'm not foolishly optimistic. There will be tough times ahead and the White House (and conservatives) can't get cocky.

However, I think back to when the Chicago-land LGFer's held their meet-up last June. On my way to the bar where the meeting was held, I was stopped by several bunches of moonbats handing out Kerry pamphlets. Things weren't going so great for Dubya last spring, remember? I had a great time chatting with the lizards, but I think we all had a sense of real foreboding at that time about the election. (And being in Chicago certainly feeds your sense of being a definite minority.)

I never would have predicted the purple fingers or the Lebanese rallies last year at this time. So, while we can't rest on our laurels, things have moved along faster than I thought they would.

Or to put it another way, if I were a moonbat, I'd have a hard time getting out of bed these days.:-)

248 Victor  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:54:17pm

#241 American Infidel  3/21/2005 06:41PM PST


lizard puppets on stilts...

"LOL...That would be fun too, can you imagine the length of the tails?

yeah, like a chinese new year parade dragon -- only a huge green lizard, and moonbat outriders, mock battles, scantly clad women... -- if we start recruiting, organizing, and drilling now we could be ready for Condi's inaugural parade, '08.

WE MUST ORGANIZE!

249 Ann  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:57:16pm

#245 Al Charabiya

hear a lot of "I don't agree with what you've got to say but I'll fight to death for you to be able to say it" talk from the "left" these days

... and let's not forget "Oh, I support the troops but not the war(s)."

250 Victor  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:57:28pm

#245 Al Charabiya  3/21/2005 06:48PM PST

Just so, Al, just so.

251 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:57:31pm
252 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 4:59:05pm

#248 Victor

yeah, like a chinese new year parade dragon -- only a huge green lizard, and moonbat outriders, mock battles, scantly clad women...

That Seven Windows lady's got to be up for it. Just sayin' :)

253 will_not_back_down  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:00:48pm

#227 Victor

I don't think of it out right "hate" more of a passionate dislike. That's just me.

254 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:03:15pm

#249 Ann

Yep. That old chestnut. Wanting to see your own troops suicide-bombed out of Iraq but at the same time wailing over their alleged lack of body-armour and getting overly irate about defense expenditure. "Well my tax would be better spent on cycle-paths!" Oh how I love that argument...

255 Lady Redhawk  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:05:37pm

#251 Iron Fist

OK, I know you fellows are more than able to handle things, I've just been worried by all the hate and vitriol. I'm relieved that you know who this person is.

Have fun, and stay out of the slammer! ;-)

256 Sarah D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:05:48pm

#252 Al Charabiya

Check yer email!

257 car man tim  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:06:02pm

Where's that kielbasa that I ordered back on MayDay? See if I buy any more sausage frome these pseudo-wevolutionaries. I hate when this happens.

258 N. O'Brain  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:06:40pm

Winston Churchill on Charles de Gaulle:
"The greatest cross I have to bear is the Cross of Lorraine."

259 alkmyst  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:09:53pm

Well, just because it looks like Seattle moonbat needs a clue, I'll help to provide him with one...

The Impact of the proposed "Disengagement" on US Interests

Ambassador (Ret.) Yoram Ettinger


11Am- Bikur Cholim Machzikay Hadath – Sat. March 26

5145 South Morgan St. Seattle, WA

Yoram Ettinger is a consultant on US-Israel relations as well as the Chairman of Special Projects at the Ariel Center for Policy Research. Formerly the Minister for Congressional Affairs to Israel's Embassy in Washington, DC, Ettinger also served as Consul General of Israel to the Southwestern US. He is a former editor of Contemporary Mideast Backgrounder, and is the author of the Jerusalem Cloakroom series of reports.

“In the Middle East “Disengagement” (from No. Samaria and Gaza) is viewed as retreat, cut & run, appeasement, rewarding terrorism and uprooting of Jews, rather than a step towards peace or stability. In a region, which tolerates only deterrence-driven (rather than concession-driven) peace - as evident in inter Arab relations - “disengagement” would mean a setback to peace and a tailwind to terrorism. US interests and values are best served by conducting a Mideast policy based on realism and facts, rather than on wishful-thinking and myth.”

“Gaza has been an integral part of the Land of Israel. During 135AD-600AD, when Rome prohibited Jewish pilgrimage to Jerusalem, Gaza and Tiberias substituted Jerusalem as a pilgrimage site. The Jewish community (settlement) of Kfar Darom was re-established in 1967, resurrecting the Jewish community of the Talmudic era (3rd-4th centuries) and that which was forced out by Egypt’s invasion of 1948.”

Co-Sponsored by Americans For A Safe Israel- AFSI

www.afsi.org or email afsi@rcn.com

1-800-235-3658

260 N. O'Brain  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:10:36pm

Here's what I posted over there:

My goodness, a real live...er, dead proponent of marxism, a supporter of a stinking, putrefying shambling zombie called marxism.

Sad. Beyond sad. Pathetic.

Oh, and I really object to being called a freeper. I hang out at Lucianne.com and am also a Loyal Citizen of the Rottweiller Empire at nicedoggie.net.

Warning to all reactionary leftists: reading Emperor Misha's blog will cause your head to explode. No matter how much duct tape you wrap around it.

Mheh.

N. O'Brain
Imperial Minister for Useless Information

261 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:10:52pm

Now this moonbat pisses me off - from Tim Blair's site:

The war on terror is wrong because it is not going to end terrorism when you have people such as Iyad Allawi (Iraq’s outgoing prime minister) being put in power,” she said, with an anti-war poster in her hand.

Akono, who is from Cambodia and is married to a British man, plans to go on a hunger strike from April 14 in protest against the continuing war on terror.

"I want to do everything I can to make sure my child has a secure future,” said the pregnant activist.

Yeah, go on a hunger strike when you're pregnant to protest the war. America is evil - and I'm taking it out on my kid!

And she's Cambodian. Must of had relations in the Khmer Rouge.

262 car man tim  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:14:12pm

"One absolutely critical component to US imperialism’s ever expanding world empire is a docile population on the home front."

Just because I can be be petted on the first date doesn't mean that I'm docile, does it? Aw shit!

263 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:16:04pm

#251 Iron Fist

Vigilance is definitely called for, but I'm not unduly afraid. OTOH, 'Nam Grunt might be right. We might wind up in jail.

Sigh. Some people have all the fun. Hanging head in shame. I ain't never even been in a California jail before. I bet they really nice. Y'all will let me know, won't you?

264 Victor  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:18:10pm

cba, you're right, they deleted the pungent lizard droppings over at IndyMedia. But there's more piling up. Bwa! -- :-)

265 rightasrain  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:21:12pm

#261 It's Miss Donna V. to you

Yeah, go on a hunger strike when you're pregnant to protest the war. America is evil - and I'm taking it out on my kid!

Unbelievable!

How pregnant is she?

Hopefully, her body will starve itself while giving everything up to the baby, but it's still a very dangerous thing to do while pregnant.

I'm with you - this one ticks me off.

266 Victor  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:21:42pm

#260 N. O'Brain  3/21/2005 07:10PM PST

"a stinking, putrefying shambling zombie called marxism."

Aye, ye have a way with words, laddie...

/pirate

267 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:23:35pm
268 Hari Seldon  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:24:11pm

Hey, thanks for the positive feedback everyone

#202 Gringo


Haha thanks mate, I've had some great teachers too, but the system is pretty messed up

269 channeling the shah  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:24:14pm

"Someone left the cake out in the rain..."

270 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:24:20pm

#261 It's Miss Donna V. to you

That is unbelievably sick. To do that to your child just to make a badly conceived political point... I'm sorry, but even if she was protesting for a free Lebanon it wouldn't excuse it. And of course, if she loses the baby she'll blame Bush. What chance does that child have? Akono's just earned herself a place on my sh!t-list.

#256 Sarah D.

You're rockin it! Superb. Will put my thinking-cap on - hopefully it will work today :) Although bed beckons...

271 Carolynp  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:25:10pm

Ironfist: Really be careful--I heard CA is a blue state. Be cautious, but don't take any snot from the punks.

Hey Swampwoman: are you feeling better?

272 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:25:30pm
273 Hari Seldon  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:26:04pm

#261 It's Miss Donna V. to you

that is absolutely barbaric! I am no parent but it must take a seriously deranged person to threaten their own child for something they know won't happen.

274 Jheka  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:28:22pm

#193 Earl: You have a link? I don't see it. I did post on the Caterpillar thread, though (they might not allow the post to show up once they see the link).

Earl: Your post reminds me of my experience at the anti-sense rally on Saturday. I was taking pictures of pro-Israel and anti-Israel demonstrators, walking freely between them (they were kept apart by about 20 police officers) when a guy in his fifties (I'n in my 30's) came up to me and hissed something along the lines of "if you take a picture of my daughter, you'll lose that camera." Well, I politely told him that we were at a RALLY and I could take pictures of whoever I wanted and that included his adult daughter (the girl in the blue sweatshirt here, I believe) but, if he wanted to tell me which of the several young women yelling at the elderly pro-Israel sign-holders was his daughter, I wouldn't post her picture on my site. Reasonable, right? Well, the guy refused to tell me and just insisted that I stop taking pictures of the whole group. A few minutes later, after I had all of the pictures I wanted, I walked up to him, told him that I had, in fact, risked his wrath and that if he was going to do something, now would be the time.

The man clearly hadn't thought the whole thing through (he was talking to a guy who was 20 years younger, outweighed him by 40 or 50 pounds and there were 10 cops within 20 feet of us) ... he sputtered that "I don't know who you are and I don't want anything to do with you" and scampered away, no longer burdened by his manhood. I tried to tell him that he forgot to take my camera but, alas, to no avail ...

275 Jheka  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:29:41pm

Iron Fist:

San Francisco? When?

276 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:30:37pm

rightasrain: I looked at the original article (Phew, from some British Islamic site) and it didn't say how far she was along. Maybe she'll have had the kid by then. Guess she's not planning on breast feeding.

The article describes her as a "human rights activist." Yeah, the removal of U.S. troops from SE Asia sure made her native country paradise on earth.

277 rightasrain  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:35:11pm

#276 It's Miss Donna V. to you

I looked at the original article (Phew, from some British Islamic site) and it didn't say how far she was along. Maybe she'll have had the kid by then. Guess she's not planning on breast feeding.

Well, I hope she waits until after giving birth. She can mess herself up all she wants, but babies in utero need nourishment.

Thanks!

278 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:37:22pm
279 It's Miss Donna V. to you  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:37:31pm
Akono's just earned herself a place on my sh!t-list.

Well, Al Charabiya, she lives in Kent, so if you run into her, tell her she's a friggin' headcase for me, will you?

Liked your London moonbat coverage by the way. (I spent an immensely fun summer there back in '80 - back in the days when crime was practically unheard of and we would walk through the parks at midnight without a worry. Breaks my heart to hear about what's happened to the city since then.)

280 Victor  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:41:57pm

I can just picture poor Ira, in his fetid basement, posting his crie de cour (if you'll pardon the frogism), then sitting horrified in front of his monitor as mocking enemies shook their gamey, naked buttocks in his face. The indignity.

(Where indeed have all the "activists", gone?)

281 marcusa  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:43:21pm

See the last South Park? South Park captured the nature of these protestors pretty good. Nothing but a bunch of dope smoking bad music listening freaks!

282 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:43:33pm
283 will_not_back_down  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:44:12pm

#242 Ann

Thanks for the invite but that's a long drive from Rawwleigh during the week for me eyes.

284 transferthem  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:44:50pm

When his activism career is over, he has a future in comedy. Well his rambling crappy post made me laugh! Do they let him out of the ward to defacate?

285 No User  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:47:17pm

We need to start an offical list of ALL the moonbat predictions (with any prominent names attached to them) of what would happen if BushHitler won '04…then circle that list around the internet with the actual outcomes in '08. Draft, WW3, abortion illegal, etc.. I am already sitting on a few Krugman/Dowd predictions that I am going to send around when the time has come. Like this one from Oct. 1, 2004:

"Most Americans aren't aware of all this. The sheer scale of Mr. Bush's foreign policy failures insulates him from its political consequences: voters aren't ready to believe how badly the war in Iraq is going, let alone how badly America's moral position in the world has deteriorated.

But the rest of the world has already lost faith in us. In fact, let me make a prediction: if Mr. Bush gets a second term, we will soon have no democracies left among our allies - no, not even Tony Blair's Britain. Mr. Bush will be left with the support of regimes that don't worry about the legalities - regimes like Vladimir Putin's Russia. "

286 Carolynp  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:49:27pm

Ironfist: you are bloodthirsty. Give me a post if you get in trouble and I'll have the fam come bail you out. For heaven's sake, don't kill anybody: for the most part they're just stupid kids and they'll grow out of it.

Err...for what it matters, I wasn't ever less happy in pregnancy than when I couldn't eat EXACTLY what and when I wanted (which was pretty much anything, pretty much always). I have a feeling that if this chick starves herself, she'll be far more unhappy than she thinks for. She deserves it.

287 CowardKerry  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:49:37pm
Do they suffer from burnout (as many of us in the movement do from time to time)?


No, lack of balls.

I for one was bummed that more than 5000 or so didn’t show.

Must have been welfare check day , methadone day, parole hearing. (pick one)

imagine 20,000 to 50,000 people sitting down around the Federal Building for, oh, say, a day or two in order to shut it down.

Oh boy, a real meeting of the minds, Thats like a brainstorm weakened by an el ninyo.

288 Jheka  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:50:38pm

Iron Fist:

Count me in. I can stroll to the ferry from my place.

289 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:55:56pm

#271 carolynp

Hey Swampwoman: are you feeling better?

No. But making somebody's kneecap bend the wrong way might go a long way toward making me feel better.

Still can't quit coughing, and forgot to pick up the Jack Daniels from the liquor store on the way home because I was coughing. Doh! Will spend another sleepless night, go in again tomorrow with even larger dark circles under my eyes. Ewww.

Oh, and when I DID get home, the husband was takin' the tires off his old throwaway POS Blazer (he teaches at a high school whaddaya expect, drive something they can screw up?) and fixin' to change out a couple tires off his other truck and put the good tires on the Blazer, and I could drop the wheels off for a new set of tires in the morning on my way to work.

Except he hurt his knee and couldn't bend it well enough, so he needed me to do the grunt work. Like jack up both vehicles. And crawl underneath and put the jack stands underneath. And move the tires into position. Okay, he did the brain work (working the impact wrench). I don't think he realizes (yet) that he screwed up when he said the Blazer wasn't jacked up high enough and when I offered to jack it up higher, he said no, that wouldn't be necessary. Just sit on the bumper. So I did. It didn't move. He said I should bounce up and down. It still didn't move enough. He asked me if I couldn't do better. I said I sure could. How 'bout I put the tire on, and he sit his big ass in the back of the Blazer, since he outweighs me by about 125 lb. (that he will admit to).

Amazing. He has no clue as to why I might be aggravated.

290 Lady Redhawk  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:58:37pm

#289 SwampWoman

MEN! (shaking head and clucking...)

291 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 5:59:19pm
292 mich-again  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:04:57pm

289 Swamp Woman

Yikes! What a story! With material like that you deserve a spot between Ron White and Larry the Cable Guy on the Blue Collar Comedy Jam! I'd pay to see that!

293 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:09:28pm

#278 Iron Fist

A 2" blade doesn't look lethal. Go in just above the pubic bone 1" to the left of the naval, yank it 1" to the right of it. 100% dead. No chance of survival.

Dang it, now you KNOW that if you post something like that, I'd have to pull my measuring tape that's clipped to my pocket and say things like "scuse me, is THAT your pubic bone? Okay, slightly above the pubic bone 1 inch to the left of the naval (makes mark with permanent felt tip marker 1 inch to left of belly button, measures down, makes another mark but seriously worried because I don't have a level or even a good straight edge ...can you take the other end of that chalkline for me? Okay, right on the mark. Snap it in the middle." before I can cut now.

294 Carolynp  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:09:54pm

Swampwoman: Hubby's boss told him to try "Airborne": some kind of cold meds. We couldn't find it, but he swears by it. Yep, can't help but feel like we fell for the old bait & switch at times. Somehow after we've been married a bit, they sort of forget we're human, huh? My hubby is usually pretty good, but he has his moments. When I was eight months with our first, he asked me to help him move a bookcase into our new place in the rain. While we were doing it, neighbor's hubby came out and read him the riot act. If I had his name, I'd send him your way...

295 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:13:01pm

#293 continued

And then I'd have to measure again, because y'all know you supposed to measure twice, cut once.

296 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:18:22pm

#294 Carolynp

When I was eight months with our first, he asked me to help him move a bookcase into our new place in the rain.

When I was 8 months pregnant with our first, hubby took me campin' into the Gila wilderness in New Mexico in January with snow on the ground and no heater except for the campfire outside (which wasn't heat). Then took a 120-mile "road" that consisted mainly of boulders and potholes back to I think Truth or Consequences before we hit a highway. The camping I didn't mind so much, but I was really pissed off about the road.

Yep, that baby was born within the week.

297 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:21:54pm
298 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:28:16pm

#297 Iron Fist

I reckon I need a set of blueprints for the human body. And there's that dang variability between people, too. It must drive the docs crazy.

299 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:30:33pm
I believe the singular most important reason that demonstrations are not more powerful by now is that activists largely still have illusions in the possibility that ELECTORAL POLITICS can in any way stay the hand of this death machine. Too many activists still have the idea that America offers democracy for the working people.

The STALINIST rears its ugly head.

Get a life, moron.

300 Sarah D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:32:41pm

#298 SwampWoman

Just run them over with your truck. Trucks are legal, you don't have to worry about legal size limits when crossing state lines - and no organ chart necessary. 35mph+ will take care of it.

301 Powderfinger  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:33:51pm

#295 SwampWoman

So that's how you're s'posed to do it! I cut this thing three times and it's still too short.

302 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:36:28pm
303 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:38:10pm

#301 Powderfinger

Oh, the cuttin' stories I could tell on myself! But I won't on account of y'all might think I'm a redneck or somethin'.

304 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:39:47pm

#302 Iron Fist

Pain is your friend.

Yep, an old and well-known friend.

305 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:39:54pm

#274 Jheka

Awesome! To have been a fly on the wall...

#279 It's Miss Donna V. to you

I'll keep my eyes open for her... Thanks for sharing your London story, it's always good to hear how things used to be as I've only been living here 5 years. These days I certainly wouldn't be getting in any parks after dark myself, although the last time some friends and I did we came across the most non-threatening be-tracksuited group of rentboys you've ever seen - bit of an odd one that.

OT

I promised to stick up photo-montage of the University College London student sleep-over against the war. This promised to be one of THE socials of 2005 /moonbat off

Well yes, it promised a lot, (see the flyer here) but what it delivered was barely worth the 2 hours I ended up spending with these idiots. Unfortunately I had better things to do than hang around waiting for the Rhythms of Resistance samba band or the banner-making session, so I only caught a couple of hours of these proud unwashed revolutionaries.

In lieu of putting all the pikkies together I thought I ought to share some of these shots with you for some light relief. To make up for the flame-grilled threads that keep popping up, if you will.

The first I genuinely feel bad about posting. Although war appears to 'shrink the winky' ((c) Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)), anti-war appears to give you jaundice. And an inability to smile. A truly hideous photo - you can
see why I feel bad about posting it on the web - poor girl, she knows not what she hath done, even if she is the proud bearer of the ONLY banner to be made during the head-massaging, samba-skillsing, Bushitlerathon pajama party. Her sudden change of colouring makes you wonder how ill-prepared such moonbats can be - they clearly only brought along enough green paint for half a poster... I'm loving the effort she's put into the dabs of paint though, to show just how 'stressed' she really is. I'd say she could have gone for a little "Menstruate for Bush" logo in the corner, but I'm no expert on counter-cultural art.

The second would be funny anyhow: there's always something to be smirked at when you see a man in combats and a pink vest steaming towards you whilst forming what is known in the trade as "handbag wrist". Even funnier when the guy is legging it to join in with, ooh, about 20 other people pushing a cardboard tank in front of a bus. He looked slightly more manly when he was leading the samba drumming chorus but we're talking percentage points here. No wonder les moonbattetes (including the woman in photo 1) were more than keen on him.

That last point lacks any solid evidence whatsoever; you could say it was fake but accurate, except I think it was probably true!

Big thanks to Sarah D. BTW, for hosting these pikkies (and for reminding me to pull my finger out and actually post them). That said, there may be technical difficulties on this one (which is why there are 2 lots of links). If all else fails:

right click the link,
select "Copy Link" or whatever your browser says,
open a new internet explorer or tab,
and past the link into the address bar.

Should work a treat! But try not to be looking at photo1 when your gf walks into the room unannounced. She looked at me like I was some sort of deranged pervert and it was fairly tricky to explain :)

306 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:46:59pm

Well, I done wasted the 2 hours that I had alloted myself to do paperwork. Might have to get it caught up before I go in tomorrow morning. I think I'll drink a bottle of cough syrup and take a couple of Benadryl tablets and see if I can get any sleep tonight.

Husband told me that he had been really worried about me. He said he was in the back of the house, and was SURE he heard the door opening and me callin' out "babe, I'm home!" but I wasn't there when he came to the kitchen. He started worryin' about maybe he had heard a ghost and I'd been killed in a traffic accident. (Dang, he's been watching the scifi channel too much lately.)

I assured him that if I get killed in a traffic accident, I'd be slammin' things around and cussin' cause I would be pissed. (Why would my ghost act any different than I would?)

307 Carolynp  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:50:32pm

Swampwoman: You are so funny! Our baby was born the day after the bookshelf debacle. We should write a book.
Can you imagine starving yourself during pregnancy? What a nutjob!
All of these hit ideas sound like too much work when you're sick. I think you should make him rub your feet. AND your back, AND make you soup, AND do the dishes...then he'll just wish he were dead.

308 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:51:24pm

#305 Al Charabiya

Yes, they are so very ... uh ... creative, aren't they?

309 scipio62  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:54:04pm

Another STUPID communist. "Workers of the world arise...blah, blah, blah." One of the commenters mentioned that Communists killed 100,000,000 people in the last century. Actually, its closer to 175,000,000.

310 Carolynp  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:54:43pm

#305 Al Charabiya : I can't see anything except the first pic of the montage: everything else tells me I don't have the authority to see it. More authority problems.

311 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:55:11pm

I don't know about the artillery, but someone might have an old sports injury that requires the assistance of a cane. Particularly after reading this

Hi -- this is a message to folks in the Oakland/SF area. A swarm of Lizards are planning on visiting the area on April 15th. Lizards like taking pictures of 'leftists' and publishing them on their blogs, we'd like to do the same for them. We need some people with phonecams and some people with telephoto digitals. This is being co-ordinated with SF/Indymedia and the Bay Area Atriots. Let's shine some LIGHT on those LIZARDS.
Stay tuned!
Oaklander

There's another post there also claiming to include the IndyBay Morlocks.

But it might be a joke because the poster "Oaklander" mentions the Bay Area Patriots.

312 Sarah D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:56:24pm

#308 SwampWoman

Wouldn't you think that a college student would at the very least be able to get all the letters to her words on one line of a poster? I mean, how much planning does that take?

313 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:57:39pm

#308 SwampWoman

Creative - LOL! I had to bite my lip when I went up to that girl and told her I really liked her poster and I could I have a picture of it - she seemed rather unconvinced of her skills but the gentleman in me insisted on complimenting her on her artwork. Maybe next week she could do one of those fingerprint butterflies that my little sister used to be quite good at?

314 Sarah D.  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:57:41pm

#310 Carolynp

The montage is all three of the pics together. The other links are just the same pictures seperately.

315 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 6:59:02pm

#307 carolyn

Swampwoman: You are so funny! Our baby was born the day after the bookshelf debacle. We should write a book.
Can you imagine starving yourself during pregnancy? What a nutjob!

I was deathly ill the first 4 months of my pregnancy (in Texas, in the summer, in the heat, no A/C, workin' and wearin' the summer wool uniform. I couldn't go into cooler maternity clothes because I couldn't gain enough weight on account of pukin' all the time.

The next pregnancy, I figured out if I never felt hungry, I never felt nauseated! Woohooo! I would eat my food, the food from the plate on the left and right of me, ask people if they were going to eat that dessert, and 15 minutes later go make a sandwich. I gained some serious weight then, but lost it pretty quickly.

Nope, I cannot imagine somebody deliberately doing what may be lifelong harm to their baby to make a political statement. I wonder if she knows that she could *die* from that shit.

316 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:00:43pm
317 Jheka  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:01:12pm

Iron Fist:

One problem ... I have a hunch that it's the same guy. If I'm right I would be willing to take turns ...

318 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:02:43pm

#310 Carolynp

Even if you try and do the right-click, copy and paste the address thing? Dang! That's whole permission/authority thing has me puzzled...

#312 Sarah D.

Reminds me of a curry-house near my gf's parents. They'd tried to write Merry Xmas in 8 windows at the front of their restaurant - ended up as MERRY XMA - they didn't even bother trying to squeeze the 'S' in. Nothing like a nice bit of merry eczema, eh? Very festive :)

319 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:02:53pm

#313 Al

Creative - LOL! I had to bite my lip when I went up to that girl and told her I really liked her poster and I could I have a picture of it - she seemed rather unconvinced of her skills but the gentleman in me insisted on complimenting her on her artwork. Maybe next week she could do one of those fingerprint butterflies that my little sister used to be quite good at?

Goodness! I am in awe of your acting abilities.

It is somewhat insulting that these people consider themselves my creative and intellectual betters. (Thinking, tapping fingers. Nope, it is REALLY insulting.)

320 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:06:54pm

#316 Iron Fist

And I busted up a knee laying my bike down (not Cherry :-), so a cane seems in order as well.

Oh, hell no. A knee injury for a man like you requires a walking staff at least. And you can hand carve it, and paint it pretty colors, and maybe include some beading on some feathers attached to the leather wrapped around it just under the spirit carving. Oh, yeah, and make sure you put a nice metal tip on it. Can't be too careful of them handcarved walking sticks.

321 Al Charabiya  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:07:46pm

CarolynP,

As Sarah D says, the first image is a montage of the others - it's late here and I was too lazy to rewrite the post - sorry :)

'Night all!

322 SwampWoman  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:09:18pm

I think the Benadryl may be beginning to kick in. I think I'll find me a nice comfy Lazy Boy and curl up in it so I can sleep upright without choking much.

And no, I don't think that chair is considered a life support system so don't even try to disconnect me from it.

323 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:10:02pm

#316 Iron Fist

Cool cane indeed. Don't know much about that Hapkido stuff, but that cane looks perfect for the Louisville Slugger school of self defense.

324 The Other Les  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:14:04pm

# 232 DJPR

I for one fear that one day that will be a 50,000 strong protestors marching through with a radical left agenda. What I worry even more is that groups like International ANSWER via other groups like MoveOn will be able to mobilize such a crowd through bring about a certain facade that hides their true extremism - pitching a more moderate position. Those marching wont know what they are really marching for.


Damn!

I only have about 4000 rounds of .308!

325 Carolynp  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:19:13pm

Thanks you guys! I was able to see the montage. I just hate to think I'm missing anything.

I really appreciate you guys posting these pics...it's nice to see the strangeness.

Ironfist: are you thinking of an "Avengers" type cane? Complete with hidden blade?

326 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:19:33pm
327 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:22:16pm
328 Iron Fist[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 7:46:03pm
329 Mr. Beamish  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 8:10:04pm
It’s not clear what has become of them.

Aw! Did Unca Saddam's checks stop coming in the mailbox?

330 Pete(Detroit)  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 9:03:55pm

#134 Yankee Division Son

How many countries have US forces invaded thoughout history, through two world wars? Many... but we have NEVER forced them to be part of our 'empire', ruled over by the US...

Again, I agree w/ the sentiment, (and, indeed, the statement)

however...

There was, historically, a distinct "imperialist/expansionist" phase.
Japan was very nearly assimiliated in 1854,
Hawai'ian monarchy was subverted and overthrown by 1896.
We got the Philippeans during the Spanish/American war, 1898 (or so), the same time we aquired Guam, Midway, and Puerto Rico (all still "protectorates" or territories) (er, "The LATTER all still - obviously, we 'gave' the Phillipeans back - in 1946)

Early in the 1900's was the Boxer Rebellion in China, American troops led the way in breaking the back of the Chi'ing Dynasty, and we had strong policy influence there until Mao.
Panama was given back (the 'lease' expired, same as the Brit's did in Hong Kong) withing my lifetime(and earlier than necessary - than you Jimmah), but many policy makers from both sides of the aisle seem unable to leave Central America alone. The main reason we were NOT major players in Africa or Asia between 1850 / 1938 like the European powers was that we were busy terrorizing our own native peoples, and testing bio-weapons on them (Smallpox in blankets, and Syphillius in Tuskegee come to mind)

So, while it *is* true to point out that we have NOT 'claimed' any foriegn soil since 1919 (ie, WWI) it is also true that 'we' (the US) have absolutely done so in the past, and in fact still hold lands so aquired. Granted, the People of Guam may not want to be 'freed' but I know there's 'discontent' in PR, and there has ALWAYS been a seperatist faction in Hawai'i.
Anyone care to guess how the Alaskans would vote, given the chance?

331 spankaccount  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 9:27:21pm

There are some greats posts at the end of the indy article. Do they always allow open posts?

332 Pete(Detroit)  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 9:30:21pm

159 right wing nutt

someone should ask this peace activist, if America was so 'imperalist' then why the hell did we hold a world monopoly for decades on the a-bomb, the ultimate weapn, that we could've used to take over every country we chose too?

Quick Google for history of a-bomb reveals WE had it (first) in '45, the Russians set one off in '49. "ultimate weapon" was H (not 'A') (fusion, vs fission) and we didn't develop THAT until '52. Soviets tested one in '53

Besides, is more fun to take over the world w/ Big Macs (tm) and Veggie Burgers (tm)...

333 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 9:32:37pm
334 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 9:34:16pm
335 Athos  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 9:37:45pm

#330 Pete(Detroit)

We got the Philippeans during the Spanish/American war, 1898 (or so), the same time we aquired Guam, Midway, and Puerto Rico (all still "protectorates" or territories) (er, "The LATTER all still - obviously, we 'gave' the Phillipeans back - in 1946)

Midway never had a local / native population. Until 1996, Midway was a military base and generally off limit to civilians. In 1996, it was reassigned from the DoD to the Dept of the Interior - Fish and Wildlife. They maintain a small staff there today. Guam has been offered it's independence - but the majority of voters there voted to retain their status with the US. Puerto Rico has also been offered independence, but 3 times, the majority has voted to remain as a commonwealth / unincorporated part of the US. They aren't being forced to be a part of the US.

The main reason we were NOT major players in Africa or Asia between 1850 / 1938 like the European powers was that we were busy terrorizing our own native peoples, and testing bio-weapons on them (Smallpox in blankets, and Syphillius in Tuskegee come to mind)

Like most untruthful statements, there are elements of turth in them. Yes, there was a reprehensible program that failed to treat a number of people inflicted with syphillius in order to study the long term effects of a lack of treatment. That is the truth. However, except for Ward Churchill, no one credibly can claim / prove that forces used smallpox and blankets as a biowarfare tool against Native Americans. We know what Ward Churchill's credibility is like. I believe either you are jumping on that false bandwagon or mistakenly trying to apply the 'hint' that British General Amherst used smallpox / blankets during the Seven Years War (aka Frendh & Indian War). These claims are based on his own letters - but are still extremely vague. Needless to say, in that war, here in North America - quarter was not often offered by either side on the frontiers.

Granted, the People of Guam may not want to be 'freed' but I know there's 'discontent' in PR, and there has ALWAYS been a seperatist faction in Hawai'i.
Anyone care to guess how the Alaskans would vote, given the chance?

And completing the 'let's put the agenda before the facts' post - let's ignore the facts and the votes of Guam / Puerto Rico, and just bash the leaders of the US from the turn of the 19th -20th centutry for their imperialism. I mean, votes are immaterial if there is 'discontent', right? What's next - rather than really wondering what the Alaskans might vote - just claim that no vote would be tendered because it's all about the oil?!

Why not do some research and take a hard look at the issues of imperialism / colonization - and understand that there were / are some benefits - particularly because not all cultures are equal or beneficial.

336 Athos  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 9:39:48pm
'Ask' nothing - someone should walk up to this Communist and shoot him right between the eyes.

And some might ask - Why right between the eyes?

Because, they might charge and foam at the mouth if only wounded.

337 spankaccount  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 9:42:38pm

#336

That was sharp. Good on you.

Just for the record. Nobody at LGF shoots first.

338 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 9:47:26pm
339 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 9:53:19pm
340 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 10:03:31pm
341 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 10:19:28pm
342 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 10:25:36pm
343 Rayra[deleted]  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 10:28:18pm
344 Athos  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 10:31:21pm
Don't worry. .308 ball should go right through 4-5 of the pasty little Vegan bastards. 16,000 casualties should easily break them. ;)

They'll fold like Fwance before they even get 4K...

345 coastygirl  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 10:32:45pm

I say this as as a proud Seattle-ite, but... I have a wittle violin about zis big...
Waaa !

346 Pete(Detroit)  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 10:36:40pm

335 Athos

Um, actually, the Smallpoxed blankets were delivered to a reservation, SD I'm thinking, 1830's or so?
It's been a while, but otoh long enough that I have some faith it wasn't all gunky history.

Point I was trying to make was that for a LONG time we WERE Imperialistic.
That's all.

Stand down.

Please.

347 Pete(Detroit)  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 10:45:50pm

335 Athos

I stand corrected - I was clearly confusing the two stories, the Amhurst one you referred two and the one near Bismark North Dakota in 1837 that was a result of infected fur traders, not blankets.

Nice catch, and I'll drop that line from the rhetoric.

348 thinkingoutloud  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 11:15:33pm

test

349 thinkingoutloud  Mon, Mar 21, 2005 11:17:04pm

last test

350 Iron Fist[deleted]  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 12:12:28am
351 Baldy  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 12:56:45am

I cringe when I see such words used by a "progressive":

movement
activists
social change
the struggle
U.S. imperialism

She uses all of them. She also hopes for a the good old days, like the 1999 riot against the WTO.

352 Baldy  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 1:03:52am

A post from there: Pathetic
Posted by: PetaPet at Mar 22, 2005 01:15
This is how we are viewed in the mainstream:
[Link: littlegreenfo...]

What can we do to correct this? Do we need our own Rove? Our own Hitler?... Dean maybe?

Why are we made to look like such fools?

PS, I like the puppet post above...
___

Why are we made to look like such fools?

Can we really make them look foolish? Don't they do it to themselves, acting like commie scum?

353 Baldy  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 1:23:48am

#132 letsgosurf - I know some moonbat teachers in Pittsburgh. THEY are a big reason why hatred of America seems cool.

354 doubledip  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 2:45:33am

way back at #7 NK

"Blogs - Not Permissible in Islam"

Speaking of the un-Islamic and of Seattle...

Faith and finance collide for Muslim home buyers

355 doubledip  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 3:23:28am

there has ALWAYS been a seperatist faction in Hawai'i.
Anyone care to guess how the Alaskans would vote, given the chance?

And there are separatist factions in Alberta and Quebec as well.

Those !@#%& Canadian imperialists!

356 N. O'Brain  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 3:37:37am

#266 Victor

[blush]

357 richard mcenroe  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 5:24:34am

There's one thing wrong with your post, Charles. The baby has a chance to grow up. It's too late for the lefty...

358 bruiser  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 5:30:21am

Being a young lizardoid myself (26) I have parents that were teens during those tumultuous and legendary 60's. Sometimes they stoke up the reminisciece fires about the times, and I must remind them "The 60's were 40 years ago. Let it go." It surely pisses them off, but they know I'm correct.

359 Niallster  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:05:17am

A bit behind the times people but the original anti-war march in London in February 2003 was announced as the Million People march BEFORE it took place and lo and behold a Million People marched.

Nonsense. Number was roughly 300,000 which is still 300,000 idiots but this wild over statemnet of numbers is typical lefty nonsense.

Harold Pinter spoke at the rally. An infallible rule of thumb is that if old Harold is against it its generally a good thing.

As a side note his wife insists on being refered to as LADY Antonia Fraser even though shes supposedly a lefty... some pigs are more equal than others...

360 piglet  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 6:19:37am
here has ALWAYS been a seperatist faction in Hawai'i.
Anyone care to guess how the Alaskans would vote, given the chance?

Any just peace in the middle east MUST include returning all of he land of hawaii to it's aboriginal inhabitants.

Free the occupied lands of 1893:

DANIEL INOUYE: Mr. President, a century ago, a company of uniformed U.S. Marines and two companies of U.S. sailors landed on the shores of the Kingdom of Hawai‘i at the behest of the Minister of the United States of America, Mr. Stevens, and by so doing, assisted a handful of American and European businessmen, the pillars of society, in an illegal overthrow of the kingdom, a kingdom which was then internationally recognized by treaty by the United States, Great Britain, France, and Germany, exchange of ambassadors

The overthrow of Queen Lili‘uokalani on January 17, 100 years ago, Mr. President, was not supported by the people of Hawai‘i.

It was an illegal act committed in violation of the constitution of the Kingdom of Hawai‘i, and most importantly, it was an act which was supported without proper authorization by agents and representatives of this country.

Obviously, we cannot change history. We are not here to change history. But we can acknowledge responsibility. And so I say to my colleagues, I think the time has come. A hundred years has been long enough. All we have to say is "We're sorry."

361 Pete(Detroit)  Tue, Mar 22, 2005 7:03:58am

#355, #360
Exactly! And yes, I *do* suspect that Alaskans would side w/ most PRs and stay w/ the US. Our government sucks, but it's the best one going, that I'm aware of.

362 bobbilee  Wed, Mar 23, 2005 7:31:31am

Love that Baby!


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