A constant reminder of how they were on the losing side of the conflict!

eighty-seventh?

I've got your "kavgam" right here!

[makes obscene gesture].

Meanwhile, A PA spokesman downplayed the #1 position of "Suicide Bombing for Dummies" in the West Bank and Gaza, saying it was just "curiosity and a cheap read."

so much for the moderate turks

Does this edition have a new foreward, by Ward Churchill?

well at least rest assured that if you follow hitlers trail you will inevitbly land up in a bunker with your secretary and some cynade in your mouth.

Asked to comment on the phenomenon, government spokesman Cemil Cicek said: “We cannot allow prejudice against people for belonging to a certain race.”

“We have never had such an attitude in our culture, nor in our history, and we do not have it now ... It’s not possible for people to choose their races ... Turkish society’s idea about this issue is clear. There is no racism in this country.”

About 2,000,000 dead Armenians might disagree.

#4 lykeios
Meanwhile, A PA spokesman downplayed the #1 position of "Suicide Bombing for Dummies" in the West Bank and Gaza, saying it was just "curiosity and a cheap read."

Of course it helps that the book is given away free to schools and the public alike, courtesy of "aid" money sent from the US that finances the project.

How's Ward Churchill selling?

Al Franken?

How about Michael Mhore-On's DVDs?

Apparently, mapping out conspiracy theories is a favorite pasttime in Turkey, at least, according to this interesting letter in Sunday's WaTimes. Rather makes one think of DU and indymediots...

You know, the first time a "moderate" country had Mein Kampf for a best seller, most of Europe ended up a bombed out cinder and 57 million people ended up dead.

I got yer main kampf right here!

#8 SuperdaveTWC

About 2,000,000 dead Armenians might disagree.

Now that you mention that, it's been years since I've heard about any Turkish diplomats being assassinated. Remember when they killed the one in L.A.?

From Dhimmi Watch:

The current No. 1 bestseller in Turkey, ahead of "Mein Kampf," is "Metal Storm," which depicts a U.S. invasion of the country. The Turkish hero avenges his homeland by destroying Washington with a nuclear device.

Link

These are the wonderful people who killed all the Armenian Christians after WW I because there were too many of them for Islamic taste. This genocide was neatly covered up by every member of the Leaque of Nations.

Ironic...their so set on joining the EU, their demand for inclusion is almost a threat?

I taught in Arabia for six years. I once had a student express admiration for Hitler and what the Germans did. I told him the Germans would have been just as bad on your people. Of course, "Oh no Arabs are strong!".

It was all I could do not give a deep and heavy sigh coupled with a huge eye roll.

Is it any wonder? Hitler's main construct (especially if it involves the Jews) is a good recipe for fascism, particularly if it involves the extermination of a few undesireables that may stand in the way.

Off topic, but is this any frigging wonder? From M$NBC:

Breaking News: Probe clears Annan of conflict of interest in U.N. oil-for-food program.

Castro read it, all the great minds have read it.

#18 marcusa

I told him the Germans would have been just as bad on your people. Of course, "Oh no Arabs are strong!".

You should've gently reminded the tyke that tiny Israel has kicked the Arabs in the nads how many times?

Similarly, the fact Arab youth tend to carve swastikas on Jewish graves "raises the question" of whether spending all night graffiti-ing is a cheaper date then going out to dinner.

I aksed my friends in Turkey about the Armenian genocide, they say what are you tlaing about? they are not taught in schools about it.

#15 Colt

Metal Storm?!? I thought that was a bad movie that starred Kelly Preston (Mrs. John Travolta), and Richard Moll, among others.

The European Union is working hard to welcome Turkey as a member.

Sleepwalking...

Maybe we should remind ourselves that Turkey is held together by the military and with methods that are unacceptabe in Europe.

Those who are equipped for such endeavours, draw conclusions.

These fucks have no idea.

I wonder what sort of cognitive dissonance they go thru when they read, in Mein Kampf, about the racial hierarchies Hitler believed in, that actually had many third worlders below the jews in worthiness, but less of a worry because they weren't striving for or capable of world domination the way Hitler thought the jews were.

Had Hitler suceeded, they would have ended up slaves, or soap. Or slave soap.

He would have seen Islam as a real threat, as in 'holy shit, I was wrong about the jews,. The most they wouldhave done is debated us to death (kudos Dennis Miller), but these Islamics really do want to rule the world. Saponify them!"

On the upside, Turkish Air is the friendliest ariline I've ever flown. They have the best service I've ever experienced.

First Chcikens, now turkeys. Good Grief.

#28 Peacekeeper

Yes, it has been a fowl day.

So that's why they're so keen to join the EU, eh? Birds of a feather and all that...

/bigel off

I suppose we ought not be too surprised. Antisemitism goes hand-in-hand with Islamofascism, which has been steadily on the rise in Turkey of late.

Unfortunately this all squares with what the owner of my local off licence reckons. One of the reasons he left Turkey for the UK was the rise of fundamentalist Islam; he didn't want his daughters growing up in that kind of society. I'm guessing he also didn't see much of a future there selling alcohol...

I gather that hatred and genocide against Jews was wrong when Hitler taught it, but right when Muhammed taught it.

#20 Hitler's own closest pals, Goering, Himmler, et al had a standing joke amongst them that they had never read it and that it was unreadable.

quick question: I have been called a Nazi because I support Israel. There are tons of Bushitler references in MSM.

Yet, muslims love Hitler's struggle.

HOw is this justified in their minds?

OT:I saw a highway billboard today for Clear Channel that said "Where left is right and right is wrong." I got a bit of a chill. And looked for lightning...

#18 marcusa

I understand why he wasn't worried, why should he have been afraid of their allies of WWII

#21 Spiny Norman

Over 5 I think. Anyways Arabia has never really fought agaisnt Israel. While it did send troops to some of the wars, most of them were token and under other countries commands. So that little fact is dropped from history, so the country can say "When we will fight the zionists, we will not commit the same mistakes other arab nations have done". Because of course they'll commit a whole new set of mistakes.

#8

Hundreds of thousands of dead Kurds would also agree with those millions of dead Armenians.

should we be surprised that a country that is named after a bird we eat on holidays would pay to read such lunacy?

We don't need no stinkin' Turkey

#29 Renna

Yes, it has been a fowl day.

LOL

Reminds of that joke: The first man asks the 2nd man what he does for a living. "I work in the sewer.", replies the 2nd man. So, first man says, "That's a really sh&tty job!

Look on the bright side. At least they are reading.

#38 BIG

Look on the bright side. At least they are reading.

What are you? A shill for RIF?

Reading is Fundamentalist

Let's remember that Mein Kampf is just German for my Jihad.

#28 Peacekeeper

First Chcikens, now turkeys. Good Grief.

Rumor has it DU is going to have a sheeple thread this afternoon.

turkey and chicken and sheeple
yummy

Ah, who cares? We're going to be wiped out by Allah's flood in 2007 anyway...

It's very possible that it's because it's cheap.

I bought the Communist Manifesto when I saw it for like 2 dollars, but for the purpose of refuting it, not because I agree with it.

Besides, they live in a country named after poultry!

DU - ducks unlimited ?

/I know, I know/

#45 pronghorn

Nope, Dorks Unlimited (or Donks Unlimited).

It’s true that the Turks are in denial about the genocide against the Armenians and Greeks in the late 19th century and early 20th century. Also, they deny the ethnic cleansing of Greeks from Asia Minor during the last 60-90 years.

Let’s get the history straight. Turks are not indigenous to Asia Minor; they are Steppe people from central Asia. Asia Minor was Greek speaking for 2000 years and was an integral part of Greece before the Roman Empire. After the Roman Empire split, Asia Minor remained a Christian Greek-speaking community until the Islamic invasions. The Eastern Roman Empire didn’t fall to the Muslims until the 1400s.

Thus, Asia Minor went from nearly complete Greek, Armenian and Jewish to now being 99.8% Muslims (according to my Almanac). This, of course, is the country Turkey – held up as the model of the most liberal and secular Muslims-based country. It only gets worse as you examine Islam elsewhere.

"Turkey shrugs off success of Thanksgiving".

/what, me worry?

#47

Good stuff, Jason. Thanks for posting.

Mein Kampf a huge seller in a mus-slum country? No surprise. It seems a natural sequel in terms of values and principles to the Koran: Another best seller as well.

#50 Glad you enjoyed it Ward.

Reported sales of "Mein Kampf" in Turkey in no way reflect public attitudes there. Rather, Turkey — like America — has enjoyed a long history of friendship with the Jewish people that extends to the present day.

Over several centuries, Jews fleeing persecution throughout Europe found refuge in the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Turkey. In 1949, Turkey became the first Muslim-majority nation to recognize the state of Israel. These two democracies, striving for peace with their respective neighbors, expanded relations in the 1990s to an unprecedented degree that continues today.

Last week, Turkey's justice minister attended the opening of the new Holocaust history museum in Jerusalem. The only representative of a Muslim nation to participate, Minister Cemil Cicek said, "Anti-Semitism is a perversion … rooted in the depths of evil and no resurgence of it can be tolerated." These words — and the long historical record — accurately reflect Turkey's views. Sales of this book do not.

Engin Ansay

Turkish Consul General

Los Angeles

LINK

...it has to be noted to that Mein Kampf has been a steady seller worldwide as well as the Arab/Muslim world...except of course in Germany of course where it is banned.

Forget Turkey. Look at Western Europe!

Amsterdam Journal: A Dutch Soccer Riddle: Jewish Regalia Without Jews
By CRAIG S. SMITH
Jew-baiting from the bleachers: Is it bigotry or mere loutishness?

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't most Middle Eastern nations side with the Axis powers in WWII? And wasn't that one reason that the Allies felt at liberty, after the war, to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine? As I recall, I think the Allies basically told them, "Tough noogies, Arabs...it's our way or the highway."

The Arabs, especially, seem to have an ongoing love affair with fascism. I guess it's not so surprising, when you consider the nature of their political systems...socialism coupled with totalitarianism.

Until Turkish leaders apologize for the Islamic Jihad against the Armenians — which resulted in the death by starvation and exhaustion of at least 1,500,000 people — Turkey should be regarded as a pariah state.

. . .government spokesman Cemil Cicek said: “We cannot allow prejudice against people for belonging to a certain race.”
“We have never had such an attitude in our culture, nor in our history, and we do not have it now ...

This evades the truth by equivocating over the terms race and religion. The attitude is one of holocaust denial.

Reminds of that joke: The first man asks the 2nd man what he does for a living. "I work in the sewer.", replies the 2nd man. So, first man says, "That's a really sh&tty job!

Man to friend: My doctor says I have epididymitis.
Friend: I'll bet that's a pain in the balls.

questions if the sales reflect growing anti-Semitism or anti-American sentiment in this Muslim country or if it’s just curiosity and a cheap read.

Ok, so why would "Mein Kampf" be particularly cheap (aside from the fact that it's probably in the public domain and royalties don't need to be paid to the author)? Is someone subsidizing it's publication in Turkey?

#57 One_Shot_One_Kill


Man to friend: My doctor says I have epididymitis. Friend: I'll bet that's a pain in the balls.

Hee-hee! [in high pitched voice]

Trumpeter:

The European Union is working hard to welcome Turkey as a member.

Actually, the biggest pusher for Turkey's EU membership appears to be none other than W.

And why shouldn't we help Turkey join invade Europe? They did fuck us in the ass on Iraq, did they not?

I wouldn't say the Arabs were on the side of the Germans. The Germans I know had their allies in Iraq and there was quite a bit of internal intrigue. I know not too much about the going on in WWII Iraq other than there was going ons.

In the UAE though it was different. The British were there and I talked to old locals who claimed to have worked for the British during the war.

Interesting cover. It looks like it is being marketed. When I see Mein Kampf in US books stores, it is very low key. Usually just a black cover and the name.

Ben B (#56):

Until Turkish leaders apologize for the Islamic Jihad against the Armenians — which resulted in the death by starvation and exhaustion of at least 1,500,000 people — Turkey should be regarded as a pariah state.

Well, I'm sure it was peaceful and euphoric.

/Sorry.

#53 Dave Ray:

I remember hearing similar historical anecdotes from a Muslim friend of mine -- a true moderate, but very defensive of Islam -- extolling the tolerance and open-mindedness of his religion. I suppose Muslims will always be able to point to a few isolated instances of goodwill toward people of other faiths, but the wide sweep of Muslim history paints a very different picture.

I'm reading the Q'uran right now. I'm only on the 3rd Sura, and already I'm amazed at the amount of ink Muhammed wastes ranting against "the people of the Book." I understand it only gets worse.

Dave the... (#62):

Yes, absolutely. The bright colors, the "glamorous" photo... They do know their readership.

A page on the Armenian genocide here: [Link: www.cilicia.com...]

Makes me sick. Bet those bastards wouldn't think of selling a book like this:

The Second Scroll

Ben-B

Until Turkish leaders apologize for the Islamic Jihad against the Armenians — which resulted in the death by starvation and exhaustion of at least 1,500,000 people — Turkey should be regarded as a pariah state.

Hitler said when the world did nothing against Turkey he felt it was easy to go after the jews.
But how dare Israel Kill the blind Sheik The British Parilment had amoment of silence

A MINUTE'S SILENCE FOR SHEIKH YASSIN
Back in London, BBC staff are careful to promote sympathy for Hamas and other Palestinian terror groups in more subtle ways. Jenny Tonge, a Liberal Democrat member of the British parliament, declared in January that she would consider becoming a suicide bomber if she were Palestinian (and subsequently led a minute's silence in March — in the House of Commons no less — for the deceased Hamas leader Sheikh Yassin, who issued orders for dozens of suicide attacks against Israeli civilians). Since then, Tonge's invitations to appear on BBC have noticeably increased.

[Link: www.honestrep...]

Guess the Turks are upset about not joining Germany the second time around & want to make up for lost time.

Q:

And why shouldn't we help Turkey join invade Europe? They did fuck us in the ass on Iraq, did they not?

Talkinmg about anal sex again, are we? ;)

I have come to the conclusion that with some rare exceptions: A Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. They all suck.

Here's an interesting piece on Arab alliances with the Nazis during WWII...

Islamonazis During WWII

#73 bigel

The name you're looking for is "Let this Be Your Last Battlefield."

And this should be a bestseller about Turkey:

What Wangenheim evidently meant by the "Big thing" became apparent on November 13th [1914], when the Sultan issued his declaration of war; this declaration was really an appeal for a Jihad, or a "Holy War" against the infidel. Soon afterward the Sheik-ul-Islam published his proclamation, summoning the whole Moslem world to arise and massacre their Christian oppressors. "Oh, Moslems!" concluded this document. "Ye who are smitten with happiness and are on the verge of sacrificing your life and your goods for the cause of right, and of braving perils, gather now around the Imperial throne, obey the commands of the Almighty, who, in the Koran, promises us bliss in this and in the next world; embrace ye the foot of the Caliph's throne and know ye that the state is at war with Russia, England, France, and their Allies, and that these are the enemies of Islam. The Chief of the believers, the Caliph, invites you all as Moslems to join in the Holy War!"

...

Whenever I think of this burlesque Jihad a particular scene in the American Embassy comes to my mind. On one side of the table sits Enver, most peacefully sipping tea and eating cakes, and on the other side is myself, engaged in the same unwarlike occupation. It is November 14th, the day after the Sultan has declared his holy war; there have been meetings at the mosques and other places, at which the declaration has been read and fiery speeches made. Enver now assures me that absolutely no harm will come to Americans; in fact, that there will be no massacres anyway. While he is talking, one of my secretaries comes in and tells me that a little mob is making demonstrations against certain foreign establishments. It has assailed an Austrian shop which has unwisely kept up its sign saying that it has "English clothes" for sale. I ask Enver what this means; he answers that it is all a mistake; there is no intention of attacking anybody. A little while after he leaves I am informed that the mob has attacked the Bon Marché, a French dry-goods store, and is heading directly for the British Embassy. I at once call Enver on the telephone; it is all right, he says, nothing will happen to the embassy. A minute or two after, the mob immediately wheels about and starts for Tokatlian's, the most important restaurant in Constantinople.

The fact that this is conducted by an Armenian makes it fair game. Six men who have poles, with hooks at the end, break all the mirrors and windows, others take the marble tops of the tables and smash them to bits. In a few minutes the place has been completely gutted.

This demonstration comprised the "Holy War," so far as Constantinople understood it.

Ambassador Morgenthau's Story

Henry I. Morgenthau, American Ambassador at Constantinople from 1913 to 1916

#55 Sloan - actually, Britain formally proclaimed in 1917 - i.e., way before WWII - that it favored the re-establishment of the Jewish National Home in what was then Ottoman Turkish-occupied "Palestine" (the "Balfour Declaration"). That's why when the League of Nations carved up the former Ottoman Empire (which had been on the losing side) after WW ONE, they gave the mandate over "Palestine" specifically to Britain rather than, say, France or the US.

Of course, the Brits very soon thereafter screwed us [am I allowed to use that expression?] by lopping off the eastern approx. 77% of the "Palestine Mandate" [in 1921, IIRC] and making it Judenrein so as to create an artificial Arab kingdom then known as Trans-Jordan, known nowadays as Jordan [no, not Eason!]. As for the remaining approx. 23% of the Mandate area, the Brits put no restrictions on Arab immigration to the area, but put tighter and tighter restrictions on Jewish aliyah. Even at the height of the holocaust, the [expletive deleted] British government effective slammed shut the gates of "the Jewish National Home" in the faces of those trying to escape Hitler's killing machine.

So,
people in Turkey can read.

didnt know that.

In history class, I was taught that WWII ended in 1945, but as OBL and many others keep reminding us, it is not so.

#77 Iron Fist

The other option is that Turkey is a more radical Islamic country than most people believe. Did you read the Steven Stalinksy piece about Turkey and al-Qaeda? He didn't mention the Chechen terrorist camp on Turkish Cyprus, or the Turkish involvement in arming and transporting jihadis in the Balkans.

#81 bigel

Close, was Cheron. And I made a small mistake, it should be "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield."

# 54 Cole Slaw

How bizarre !

I'm kind of mixed about it. Sport enthusiasts being proud of wearing the Star of David ? Its kind of like David and Goliath to them I suppose.

As far as Turkey is concerned, I'll gladly take this form of Islamic country over the rest of Pan-Arabia. They have a normal relation with Israel and have had military co-operations with the IDF recently. Its exactly what you would want to happen with Iran and Iraq in the near future

#51 dhimmishelter  3/29/2005 08:39AM PST

"Mein Kampf ... seems a natural sequel in terms of values and principles to the Koran."

Yup -- 2 books that both say: here's why I get to kill you.

No racism in Turkey, they're right there. Just don't forget the
slaughter of millions of Christians over several centuries by Muslim Turks, including the genocide of Armenians in 1915 and
the sacking and slaughter of 300,000 Christians in Smyrna in 1922. That last incident, I might add, was witnessed by the Navies of several European powers who prevented victims from
swimming to their ships and actually poured boiling water on them
to keep them off the anchor chains. One account relates how the
harbor at Smyrna was so clogged with bodies that Navy launches going from ship to ship continually had to stop because bodies were getting caught in the propellers. Another account tells of seeing bobbing clumps of heads, like bundles of coconuts, floating in the water. By then the Europeans had somehow convinced themselves that there was such an entity as benign Islam despite over a thousand years of Muslim slaughter throughout the world.

OT

You all probably already are aware of this regarding starbucks.

I heard this AM that starbucks will not send coffee to our troops because they don't believe in what we are doing in Iraq.
Also, printed on their cups is something to the effect: 'no matter what country i am born to, i am in fact a citizen of the world'.

Wish I drank their s**t, so I could quit! Boycott them, now!

Bigel 74:

If the Anglo-Nazi British Parliament had a moment of silence for Yassin, Israel should ban any non-Jewish member of Parliament from ever setting foot on Israeli soil, and if they try to forcibly land in Israel, shoot the plane out of the sky.

Bigel, Bigel,

You know that isn't true don't you. The moment of silence was held in a private discussion group at the House of Commons chaired and hosted by Jenny Tongue MP (Moonbat Premier)...other guests included Naturei Karta members, Muslim Assoc. of Britain and various Commies and Liberals. There was no British Parliamentary moment of silence for Yassin.

LINK

Another Link

Get your facts straight.

The nubreakable alliance among Nazism, Trotskyism, Stalinism, and Islamism.

Hey my savage hebrew

Nope, no racism here. No anti-semitism either. No, sirree, and just ignore those guys goosestepping over there. It's just part of the new Turkish fitness craze.

and said there were no racists in the large Muslim country

Y'know, he's right. They just hate everybody equally.

#89 Iron Fist

Turkey: A New Al-Qaeda State?

Kind of hard to a place for free-market liberal democracy in between those two poles. Likewise, "moderate" Islam and "radical" Islam may be poles on a scale that still leaves no place for a free society.

I don't think there's a 'may'. The difference seems to be:

Moderate Islam:

o Kill the Jews
o Enslave everyone else

Radical Islam:

o Kill the Jews
o Enslave everyone else in a far bloodier fashion

HAMAS, U.S. NOTABLES, MET IN BEIRUT

American dignitaries met this week in Beirut with senior members of the Palestinian terror organization Hamas, according to a report in the London-based daily Al-Quds Al-‘Arabi.

The rare meeting took place on Monday and Tuesday and included leaders of Hamas and American notables close to decision-making circles. The report said a former officer in the British intelligence forces arranged the meeting, attended by Hamas leaders as well as representatives from the Lebanese Hizbullah terrorist organization, and Islamic Jihad in Lebanon and in Pakistan.

All these organizations are designated by the United States State Department as terrorist organizations.

I now that Labour is for the most part hostile towards Israel but I also think that anti Israel hostility is quite prevalent amongst the Tories as well.

#93 BabbaZee

Hey what's up? Did you get to see the Ten Commandments the other day?

#90 newsjunkie,
Do you have a link for that Starbucks story?

It always starts with the Jews ...

G-d but Hitler was a prick.

my # 90

Sorry, but I wrote before I had researched all the facts. Apparently starbucks caved in and sent coffee after a woman started a boycott. link

However they are printing the 'citizen of world' s**t.

Bigel:

Illinois and Manchester United...but I wouldn't want to wager anything...so far my predicting skills have been as bout as accurate as BBC reporting.

Starbucks Story

90
The Starbucks story is an urban legend...
Starbucks Coffee Controversy

#104

Breaking a coffee rumor - Starbucks does in fact support our troops, and they can prove it!

bigel, nobody is immune from the disease of frothing Jew-hatred. I agree that it is upsetting that Turkey has been bitten.

Turkey, they're right there. Just don't forget the
slaughter of millions of Christians over several centuries by Muslim Turks, including the genocide of Armenians in 1915 and
the sacking and slaughter of 300,000 Christians in Smyra.

But hey,
if you want to kill more,
why not buy a do it yourself book.

like idiots guide for manslaughter.
my struggle by
abarf hilter

RE my 107

Whoops! Link no work. Was same story as PollyPrissyPants :)

#103 zulubaby

G-d but Hitler was a prick.

You can throw in Stalin (probably the grestest despot of the 20th century), Mao, Pol Pot, Assad, Nasser, Franco, Antonescu, Idi Amin, Saddam, Brezhnev, the Ayatollah, Kim Il-Sung, to say nothing about Arafish - etc. etc. etc.

Bigel:

Thank you...

OT - Islamic Jihad Attends PLO Meeting for First Time

GAZA (Reuters) - Islamic Jihad on Tuesday attended a high-level meeting of the Palestine Liberation Organization for the first time, as part of President Mahmoud Abbas's efforts to coax militants to join his mainstream group.

But the militant group Hamas stayed away and Abbas gave no indication how he could reconcile the Islamic militants' declared dedication to Israel's destruction with the PLO's stated support for peaceful coexistence with the Jewish state.

"Definitely, there is a possibility that we can reach an agreement on basic political common denominators," Abbas told reporters after a meeting of his PLO Executive Committee attended by senior Islamic Jihad leader Mohammed al-Hindi.

(Sorry for posting a Reuters link)

My husband works with a guy from Turkey, not religious, very Americanized, total LLL type-- complete with the rabid anti-Semitism. He was overheard remarking at work-- while they were watching the ceremonies for the astronauts killed in the last shuttle disaster,

"They're only doing this because one of them is a Jew."

Do they teach the Armenian genocide in schools? My six year old just learned about it last month, and I certainly taught about when I was in the classroom, but I don't know if it's covered.

see? Now we can all feel better. They don't hate Jewish people because of their race, after all you can't choose your race.

They only hate Jewish people because they control the world and oppress everyone else to make themselve rich, that's all.

See? I know I can sleep better knowing there are no racists in Turkey.

Methinks I'll go buy a copy of Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses."

Bigel:

Post 73?!? Don't you have some kind of alarm or alert system when threads like this get posted on LGF? I was beginning to worry about you.

Joel, Hitler's stench just won't die!

#77 Yes, Iron, that is indeed the scary thing. If that’s moderate, who needs militant? Turkey is backsliding as Colt says in #83 & #96. Thanks, Colt for that link ([Link: frontpagemag.com...] It’s sad. Turks used to pride themselves on being secular in the tradition of Ataturk. Turkey was the poster child – the proof-of-concept – that an Islamic country could transform itself. Islam is indeed a cancer and Turkey, while in remission for decades, is ill again.

By the way, it is not only Islam that has stroked the flames of anti-Americanism. Greece, too, is quite anti-American to my great regret.

#99 Joel
I put the DVD in - cant stand commercials ;-)

#63 Q

I think starvation and exhaustion was the fate of most Armenians who died in the Jihad; they were taken on long forced marches across Anatolia.

From: [Link: www.balkanalysis.com...]

Muslims committed four-large scale genocides against Eastern Orthodox Christians. The first Muslim genocide was in 1876 against the Bulgarian Orthodox Christians. Over 12,000 men, women, and children were brutally exterminated by the Ottoman Turks. The Bulgarian atrocities shocked the conscience of Europe. Following the Bosnian Serb Revolution or Insurrection in 1875, the Bulgarians had followed the Serbian example and had sought to emancipate themselves from Ottoman Turkish occupation. This Muslim genocide alienated British and Western European support for the Ottoman Empire, the sick man of Europe, which earlier had British support as a bulwark against Russia and against Orthodoxy. The second Muslim genocide occurred in 1896 against the Armenian Orthodox Christians. Several thousand Armenian men, women, and children were massacred by Muslim Turks and Kurds. Sultan Abdul Hamid II stated that the way to get rid of the Armenian question is to get rid of the Armenians. The third Muslim genocide occurred in 1915 again against the Orthodox Armenians. Using the cover of the World War, the Ottoman Turks exterminated several million Armenian men, women, and children in a large-scale genocide. Adolf Hitler and the Nazi German regime would during World War II use this Muslim genocide of Orthodox Christians as a model and blueprint for the extermination of European Jewry, the Final Solution or Holocaust. In August, 1939, Adolf Hitler asked: Who remembers now the extermination of the Armenians?

Regarding starbuck

Dear Ms. Weitzeil,

Thank you for taking the time to contact Starbucks regarding coffee donations to those serving in our armed forces.

Starbucks has the deepest respect and admiration for U.S. military personnel. We are extremely grateful to the men and women who serve stateside or overseas. We sincerely appreciate that they are willing to risk their lives to protect Americans and our values of freedom and democracy. While Starbucks as a company cannot directly donate to military personnel, many of our partners (employees) show their support by donating coffee.

Recently, there was an e-mail circulating the internet that contained misinformation about Starbucks and our support of the military. Starbucks was able to locate the author who turned out to be a Marine Sergeant. He was very grateful that we contacted him and apologized for any misunderstanding, as he did not intend to spread the rumor. He subsequently sent an e-mail to his original distribution list correcting his mistake, which I've included at the end of this e-mail.

I would like to take this opportunity to clarify Starbucks policy regarding charitable contributions. We are able to donate to nonprofit organizations that are designated as public charities under Section 501(c) (3) of the IRS Code, including public libraries and schools. The U.S. military or individual military personnel do not qualify as a public charity.

However, on an individual level, many Starbucks partners have collected and shipped numerous pounds of Starbucks coffee overseas. Starbucks partners receive one pound of free coffee each week as an employee benefit (known as "partner mark-out"). Many of our partners have elected to send their weekly mark-out of coffee to members of the military or military families, and related organizations.

As an example of this generosity, our partners in our Atascadero, California store sent their weekly mark out coffee to troops in Afghanistan so they are able to enjoy a little piece of home. Our customer relations department in Seattle donated hundreds of pounds of coffee to the sailors in the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier group. These are just a few examples of our partners supporting the troops. We recognize and appreciate the very personal connection that customers have with us and how they might miss their Starbucks Experience while overseas.

Thank you again for writing and ask you to accept our deepest appreciation to servicemen and women and hope you remain a valued Starbucks customer. If you have any additional feedback or would like to discuss this further, please feel free to contact us at (800) 235-2883 or email us at info@starbucks.com.

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Starbucks the target of Arab boycott for its growing links to Israel
By Robert Fisk in Beirut - 14 June 2002

[Link: www.robert-fisk.com...]

Re: Starbucks.

My wife, who is also my financial advisor, told me this morning about the Starbucks story. She asked if I still wished to have Starbucks stock in my porfolio. (I've owned it for only 6 months and it's up 14%).

I told her to leave it alone. The troops will get decent coffee and it would really piss-off a LLL knowing that whenever they go to a Starbucks, they are helping a hardcore Repub. earn a 28% AROR on investment.

Cemil Cicek said: “We cannot allow prejudice against people for belonging to a certain race.”

“We have never had such an attitude in our culture, nor in our history, and we do not have it now ... It’s not possible for people to choose their races ... Turkish society’s idea about this issue is clear. There is no racism in this country.”

Brought to you by the same country that brought us the Armenian Genocide.

ben @125

sorry,
i got it assbackwards, the turks wrote the frigging book.

Ottoman Turks exterminated several million Armenian men, women, and children in a large-scale genocide. Adolf Hitler and the Nazi German regime would during World War II use this Muslim genocide of Orthodox Christians as a model and blueprint for the extermination of European Jewry, the Final Solution or Holocaust. In August, 1939, Adolf Hitler asked: Who remembers now the extermination of the Armenians?

Interesting.

I have a copy of this book and I doubt seriously that I'm a racist since I read it with the intent of understanding the thinking of a madman.

My interest was from specific perspective though, and I somehow doubt this book is a 'best seller' because of anything more than it is reaching the intended audience.

As for racism in Turkey, I'm here to tell you that after living with them for three years they are just as racist as anybody. If you don't believe me, ask any Kurd, or Christian, or Jew (IF you find a Christian or Jew that survived the exterminations and exportations that Ataturk engaged in during the 20s).

I find they prefer to believe what's in their papers too, although they are filled with even worse distortions than our own news.

I doubt though there will be wholesale engagement in killing. I believe it will be more along the lines of discrimination. However Turkey does have an extremist element that they have been fighting for years. These are the folks to watch out for.

Friendly people though. I recommend a visit.

JFM

I posted this yesterday:

The current number one bestseller in Turkey, ahead of "Mein Kampf", is "Metal Storm", which depicts a U.S. invasion of the country. The Turkish hero avenges his homeland by destroying Washington with a nuclear device.

Ja-butt even hitler unt co. didn't think it thru to this logical conclusion -- read it and ponder or weep, your call

[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

#132 ploome hineni
me too. I couldnt bring my self to touch it even.
so i tried to read it on-line
couldnt finish

90/127

I heard that story is a hoax. But then, here is where I heard that...local left wing daily was ripping on blogs and used this story as an example of what they say is wrong with blogs.

Of course this same paper printed the Republican "Shiavo talking points" memo as though it were fact.

Remember the move “Midnight Express?” Why do people imagine Turkey to be a civilized country? Why are we not surprised as she back-slides into a typical Islamo-fascist mindset?

#127

Starbucks is actually vilified among LLLs because "they force coffee farmers to sell at really low prices," they have prevented their baristas from unionizing (any unionized baristas actually belong to the IWW), and are a symbol of the evil corporate world and gentrification.

Remember Seattle 1999: the symbol of the riot was the black bloc busting up a Starbucks.

#136 Jason Pappas
who could forget that movie? It is seared, seared in my memory!

#138 Babba - planning a run for President? LOL.

Dave:

Even if it's a hoax, I'm still realizing a 28% AROR on the backs of the Birkenstocker crowd. :)

More on British funded BBC
So I'm watching the Ten O'Clock News when I hear Huw Edwards say: "Barbara Plett has sent this report from Beirut." BARBARA PLETT! Wasn't she sacked last year for proudly announcing to the world that she cried when Yasser Arafat was being airlifted from his Ramallah compound? Apparently not. Apparently BBC journalists can say pretty much anything in favour of Arab terrorists and keep their jobs. Was Middle East correspondent Fayad Abu Shamala fired after telling a Hamas rally that the BBC was standing "shoulder-to-shoulder" with the Palestinian people in their struggle against Israel? Hell, no!

It takes Ms Plett exactly one sentence to show her bias. She begins: "Lebanese are still demonstrating against the Syrian presence in their country." PRESENCE? Has this euphemism for occupation ever been applied to Israeli forces on the West Bank or US troops in Iraq?

Ms Plett continues:

With Syria on the move, the demonstrations have shifted focus to forming the opposition into an organised political force. And it's challenging not only Syria, but a major player in Lebanon: the Islamic resistance movement Hezbollah.

"ISLAMIC RESISTANCE MOVEMENT? What does this mean? A Muslim has to be an Iranian-funded Shiite terrorist committed to kidnapping and murdering Westerners, and turning Lebanon into a Sharia state and reducing the country's Christians into dhimmi, in order to be considered a defender of the Islamic faith? Or perhaps Barbara Plett is referring specifically to Hezbollah's armed wing, which is known as the "Islamic Resistance." These are the "resisters" responsible for, amongst (many) other atrocities, the 1994 bombing of a Jewish community centre in Argentina that killed 95 innocents.

Why is it so difficult for the BBC to speak honestly and clearly (i.e., non-euphemistically) about such monsters? Is it because Fayad Abu Shamala is correct, and the BBC really is standing "shoulder-to-shoulder" with terrorists in their war against the West?

posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005"
[Link: www.lastnightsbbcnews.blogspot.com...]

#139 Jason Pappas
No - I've seen the job, and I don't want it! However, I wouldn't mind being Czarina of the Known Universe...
;-)

Thursday, March 10, 2005
"Consider the BBC's double standard toward the IRA and Palestinian Authority. The IRA's offer to shoot the men thought responsible for the killing of Robert McCarthy has been met with shock and horror by the BBC. But Chairman Mahmoud Abbas' willingness to sign the execution decrees prepared by Muslim clerics for Palestinians accused of collaborating with Israel has been met with silence (save for this article on the BBC website)."
[Link: www.lastnightsbbcnews.blogspot.com...]

They have a history!

[Link: www.armenian-genocide.org...]

www.armenian-genocide.org/

www.genocide1915.info/

The Dems can't fake a memo to save their lives

But according to Fox News contributor Fred Barnes, top Senate Republicans, including Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and majority whip Mitch McConnell never saw the memo. What's more, the talking points were printed on blank paper, with no letterhead, date, or signature and contained numerous factual and typographical errors.

Speaking of Starbucks --

I wrote them to let them know that I'd be watching to see if they put quotes from conservatives on their cups in the new "The Way I See It" campaign. I read somewhere last week (Drudge?) where there were far more moonbat quotes than conservative. (They quote Al Franken, for cryin' out loud.) The article went on to say that the CEO of Starbucks was a Democratic contributor.

I received a reply this morning -- see if you can spot all the canned moonbat phrases!

Thanks for taking the time to comment on "The Way I See It." This is a new program where we invite outside contributors to write something for the back of our to-go cups.

Because the goal of "The Way I See It" is to encourage discussion and exchange ideas, your contribution to this dialogue is not only welcome - it's vital. Whether you agree or disagree with what's been said, we hope you appreciate the overall spirit of the program, which again is to encourage discussion and the exchange of ideas.

Part of our mission statement is to "embrace diversity as an essential component in the way we do business." We believe that this program is one of the ways that we can express this part of our mission statement. While Starbucks does not necessarily endorse the viewpoints of the individual authors who appear in "The Way I See It," we think their contributions to the marketplace of ideas is a way to respectfully encourage intellectual diversity.

If you have any additional comments or questions please let us know.

Sincerely,

Derek Juhl
Starbucks Customer Relations

#141 Nice blog, ddd. It looks like the BBC-watch. That must keep you busy.

as stated before Starbuck is on the Arab boycot list
Starbucks the target of Arab boycott for its growing links to Israel
By Robert Fisk in Beirut - 14 June 2002

[Link: www.robert-fi...]

"Mein Kampf" was a bestseller in Croatia, too, as soon as it got its independence. It followed suit in Kosovo once Albanian Muslims got control of the territory. Lots of sick puppies out there.

147 Jason
Last Night BBC
[Link: www.lastnightsbbcnews.blogspot.com...]
one more from there

"Monday, February 21, 2005
Last night James Reynolds reported on the Israeli cabinet's decision to support Ariel Sharon's Gaza disengagement plan. I see Mr Reynolds has now added annoying hand gestures to go with his bizarre head tilt. Next he'll probably start wandering around as he speaks, just like Andrew Marr.

But even more off-putting than how James Reynolds delivers his lines is what he actually says. On Sunday, he claimed that while the Palestinians are "keen to get their land back," they remain "suspicious of one-sided Israeli moves." He continued: "It's very simple, today's been all about Israel deciding which bits of occupied land to give up, and which to hold on to."

Actually, it's not that simple. If Mr Reynolds ever decides to stop merely repeating Arab propaganda, he might discover that Gaza and the West Bank are not "occupied land." Although partially under military occupation, due to a war started by the Arabs to destroy Israel, they are more accurately described as "disputed land."

The Palestinians are not about to get "their land back." This implies that Israelis stole something that didn't belong to them. There was no nation-state of Arab Palestine before the creation of Israel. In fact, until very recently the Palestinian people didn't even exist. Steven Plaut points to this fact in a post on David Horowitz's new Moonbat Central group blog. In a moment of candour back in 1977, PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein stated:

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem.
To put it in simple terms so that Mr Reynolds can understand, the dispute isn't about the occupation of Palestinian land, i.e., Gaza and the West Bank. It's about Arab chauvinism, expressed most violently in Islamofascist terror, that demands the destruction of the state of Israel.

posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 "

bigel mentioned the Greeks who openly support Muslim terrorism against Jews, what Bigel fails to mention is that Muslim have limited rights in Greece.

JollyFatMan (#130),

"Mein Kampf” is stupifigly long and wandering, you're right, today seen through the prism of retrospect it illuminates the mind of a madman.

People who claim "his whole plan is in there if only people would have listened" leave out all the insane ranting that didn't become history.

Few people even read Mein Kampf within Nazi Germany. Except it was considered "appropriate" (thus making der fuhrer rich through sales) to give a copy at weddings and graduations.

You can get the whole craptacular thing online free.

150

Mein Kampf" was a bestseller in Croatia, too, as soon as it got its independence. It followed suit in Kosovo once Albanian Muslims got control of the territory. Lots of sick puppies out there.

hipper_than_thou was not Croatia the Country that Pat Buchanan want to send US troops into? How suprising.

Mein Kamph has got to be one of the most often purchased and unread books in history. I only managed to finish it by reading a bit at a time and in the end it wasn’t worth the effort.

Ick.

#146 traveler

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!

Moonbat and/or PC idiotic catch phrases:

...encourage discussion and the exchange of ideas...

...embrace diversity as an essential component in the way we do business...

...the marketplace of ideas...

/big yawn, followed by some snoring

#152 ddd

what Bigel fails to mention is that Muslim have limited rights in Greece

At least the Greeks are doing something right.

Hate begets hate. Turkey has had a long history of intolerance towards other religions and cultures. The Ottoman Empire (Turks) with the help of Germany massacred 1.5 million Armenians between the years of 1915 –1918. Their hate is nothing new, to this day they have never recognized that this occurred.

*Spit*

Nothing wrong with buying and reading this book. I bought a copy when I was 15, now 34.

Ignorance is not reading books like this.

#159 CommonSense

It falls in the "know thine enemy" category.

#160

Oh...how so true.

G-d but Hitler was a prick.

LOL! Couldn'ta put it better.

#153 Geepers

You can get the whole craptacular thing online free.

I've never had a desire to read the damned thing, but do you have a link? I wouldn't mind scanning a little just out of curiosity.
You can e-mail it (that is, if you have a link).

OT
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Death sentence by jury that discussed Bible thrown out

hmm, could that be the same bible they have to swear an oath on in that same court?

159 Common Sense - I'm right there with you. Read it and Marx & Engels drivel back to back as a teenager. Sort of an insanity innoculation.

The danger isn't in reading something evil it's in identifying with it. I'd like to see some numbers on what age groups are buying it - if it's de riguer for the older population groups or if it's younger radical types looking for validation.

OT-

Roger Simon has the second interim report on the Oil-For-Food Scandal here.

#164

Let me guess the self admitting 2 hour rapist, murderer at gun point converted to Muslim in prision. And would it make a difference if one of the jurors know's the bible by heart?

"Jay Horowitz, a former assistant U.S. attorney and former University of Denver law professor, said the law bars jurors from considering evidence not presented at trial."

A bible is evidence?

#167 CommonSense
It's unbelievable

Jay Horowitz, a former assistant U.S. attorney and former University of Denver law professor, and full time self-loathing Uncle Chom said ...

OT: Elementary School Group Masturbation Causes President to Want to Ban Porn (Jarkarta Post)

J.D. (#163),

X[Link: www.crusader.net...]

#168

The sad thing is that this country was founded on Judeo Christian values.

I think that many judges need to read the Declaration as well as Constitution.

#171 CommonSense
Thomas Jefferson's original proposal for the seal of the united states was moses parting the red sea with the inscription
Resistance to Tyranny is Obedience to G-d

The stalinizing of the founding of this country just aint right. A california school recently refused to teach the declaration etc. because they claim it is an imposition of religion.

#172

I believe it's called "legislation through the bench" and it happens too much.

Still, "Celestial Blue Turks" is my favorite ethnonym.

The Bible should not be part of a discussion between the jury debating the applicable nature of the death penalty when the Bible was absent the trial.

#172 BabbaZee

The stalinizing of the founding of this country just aint right. A california school recently refused to teach the declaration etc. because they claim it is an imposition of religion.

There's a little more to it. I read this at WSJ Opinion online:

Banning the Declaration of Independence?

I agree that our judiciary has certainly done it's best to secularize this nation. But I'm not sure if the case above is an indication of that. Check it out and let me know what you think.

OT:

CAIR publicly urges Boeing to drop advertising in National Review, because NR favorably reviews books that attack Islam and the Prophet Mohammed.

I eagerly await the Left's angry denunciations of this attempt at censorship.

Well, I guess I have time to get a Coke while I wait.

#131 zulubaby

Now that is worth mentioning. The ignorant wire services did their best to exclude this vital information.

mein kampf, aka adolf's vomit, is online ---no need to buy and have the vile in your home.

[Link: www.mondopolitico.com...]

#176 kayawanee
if he is mr. agenda running around imposing his belief system on people in a public school then that is wrong

Apparently my link in #177 has been disenfranchised. But it's available on the CNS home page.

OT: Speaking of creepy books, alas, this one qualifies.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Turkey has always been a different story, since the expulsion from Spain, it has been a tolerant place for Jews. This has to be related to the growing militancy of Islam in Turkey. This is another way to promote anti-Jewish and Western sentiment threre. Unfortunately most of the ideas in "Mein Kampf" find a certain resonance in both the Arab world and in Europe. Blaming the anti- feelings toward the Baathist regime etc. on a Jewish cabal is a safe way of venting.

Following Hitler is a great idea, it can help your country achieve everything he achieved for Germany: a permanent black stain in human history, the utter destruction of your country and a forty five year Russian occupation! Who wouldn't want that? But wait, there's more! Yes when those Russians come tearing into your towns they put half the men against the wall and shoot them, take liberal excesses with women aged seven and older and for those soldiers "lucky" enough to be captured, years in the Gulag where most never came back. And this was before nuclear weapons were introduced to human conflict.

OT Say whatever you want about Starbucks, at least the company doesn't have Sheikh Qawadiri advising their principal investors:

www.snopes.com/business/alliance/caribou.htm

The Bible should not be part of a discussion between the jury debating the applicable nature of the death penalty when the Bible was absent the trial.

The English Language should not be used in a discussion by the jury debating the applicable nature of guilt and innocence when the English Language was not introduced as evidence during the trial!

Sheesh! Jurors are expected to base their verdicts on the evidence presented AND their own common sense. Everyone knows that every single person comes into the courtroom with a lifetime of varied experiences, knowledge, etc and to expect them to ignore just one specific limited aspect of their lives is nothing more than insanity.

Ooops! They mentioned the word "G-d"- Throw out the verdict! Who cares if it was in conjunction with the word "damn" and they were cussing about the lack of a free lunch. We, the members of the ACLU are the ultimate arbitrators of justice and we distincly heard the word "G-d"!

OT

Google's endears itself:

What Does France Have Against Google?

A string of lawsuits and a fierce debate over its digital library project have turned Google into a symbol of cultural imperialism in France. Is it all mere coincidence, or does the land of "liberte, egalite, fraternite" have it in for the company whose mission is so decidedly global?

Maybe it's revenge for the fact that the Internet sent Minitel, an early French network service, the way of the Betamax tape -- into the technology graveyard. Or possibly, it has something to do with that inflammatory Google parody showing a faux-search for "French military victories" that came up with zero results ("Did you mean: French military defeats?"). Whatever the reason, Google, the world's largest search engine, has been taking a beating lately in France, legally and culturally. Between a series of lawsuits and recent French furor over Google's plans to digitize some of the world's largest library collections, things are looking tres mauvais for the company in France. A recent phrase born in the French press, "omnigooglization," has even come to be shorthand for America's digital-culture imperialism, stirring old fears of waning French influence reminiscent of recent political struggles.

[Link: service.spiegel.de...]

175 axiom

Whaaattt? Did I miss something here or are you just not aware that withnesses SWEAR AN OATHE TO TELL THE TRUTH ON THE BIBLE?!

So it is actually a part of the court proceeding...

#180 BabbaZee

#176 kayawanee - if he is mr. agenda running around imposing his belief system on people in a public school then that is wrong

Exactly. I'm not exactly what you'd call liberal on this matter. I personally am ok with commencement prayers, a regular moment of silence in home room, and nativity displays at local town halls. But this issue doesn't seem to be about the Dec. of Independence. It's true that our founding document was included in a packet of materials that the teacher was requesting approval for. But it seems that there other materials in that packet, and it was those other materials that the principal objected to.

#175

ZZzzz

Ayatollah Ghilmeini:

Yes when those Russians come tearing into your towns they put half the men against the wall and shoot them, take liberal excesses with women aged seven and older and for those soldiers "lucky" enough to be captured, years in the Gulag where most never came back.

Actually, no. Apart from some localized excesses that were soon ended the Russian atrocities were mostly German propaganda.

#177 Belize042

Well, I guess I have time to get a Coke while I wait.

Or a thousand, or a million...

Coke With Lime is good, IMHO.

187 Rayra
I'm at work...give us a synopsis of the vile spew when it's done...

Don't expect a fair shake though...CSPAN + Harvard professor= Charles, et al on a skewer!

#189 kayawanee
agreed.

#192 Ward Cleaver
Coke With Lime is good, IMHO.

"You put the lime in the Coke, you nut..."

Oh G-d, I'm starting to quote TV ads! =)

#188 paxnhymn

As a witness in court proceedings, you can choose to swear a "non-Bible" oath.

#170 Geepers
Thank you.

196 rednaxela

yeah, I know...but the Bible is STILL used...besides...us Alabama boys "ain't skeered" to use it!

:-D

#182 techo
great minds...I posted that on the Sudanese thread...glad you posted it here, needs to be known of by all lizards.

also this for both Jews and Christians
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Coke With Lime is good, IMHO.

Coke with Bourbon is better.

#200 MartinG

I'll have a bourbon and coke on the rocks, please. Hold the coke...No ice.

I still think that this version of the report is more revealing when it shares this little gem:

"I saw the book on TV and got curious about Hitler's life and decided to buy it," said Asli Ugur, 20, a university student.

She also bought a book about Che Guevara.

#196 rednaxela

As a witness in court proceedings, you can choose to swear a "non-Bible" oath.

So how does the atheist swear go?

- I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me...me? [the "I'm my own god" oath]

- I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but since G-d doesn't exist, it doesn't really matter so I'll say what I want anyway? [the "existentialist/nialist" oath]

- I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and if I lie may the Secular Humanists of the world stone me to death? [the "Secular Humanist" oath]

- I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, by the Lords of Kobal? [the "Battlestar Galactica" oath]

- I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, by the power of Gray Skull? [the "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" oath]

Ahem,

Having spent an aggregate time of at least six months traveling Turkey from West to East and north to South, I'm as sadddened by this piece of news as anyone.

However, bear in mind that Turkey is a fiercely secular state, which actually forbids women in government jobs to wear islamic headgear and guarantees the gents with the wild beards little or no prospect of a career as a public official.

The Turkish army is the traditional guarantor of the secular nature of the state and it's doing a pretty good job of keeping it that way.

Most major cities are full of open-minded educated young people, however, the countryside is a different story and very backwards.

The Turks that I met while traveling in the country were for the most part very pleasant people and the ones who weren't were usually trying to sell me something.

It is true that the Ottoman Empire committed a horriffic genocide against the Armenians, something which the modern Turkish state, which eventually succeeded the Ottomans, has never owed up to.

However, any comparison between Turkey and the Arab world is way off the mark and inappropriate.

177 Belize042

CAIR *spit* can piss up a rope and hang itself with it.

#182 techno

OT: Speaking of creepy books, alas, this one qualifies.

I guess the nearly $400K that he got paid out of the medical malpractice award (which was supposed to go to Terri Schiavo's medical care) wasn't enough for this ghoul.

not neo just conservative:

I'll have a bourbon and coke on the rocks, please. Hold the coke...No ice.

Jim Beam, Jack Daniels or Wild Turkey? :)

#198 paxnhymn
#203 kayawanee

Ruling that juries cannot turn to the Bible for advice during deliberations, a divided Colorado Supreme Court threw out the death penalty for a convicted murderer because jurors discussed Bible verses.
(...)
Harlan was sentenced to death in 1995, but defense lawyers learned that five jurors had looked up such Bible verses as "eye for eye, tooth for tooth," copied them and discussed them while deliberating behind closed doors.

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]

Well, from a strictly legal point of view, the jury should not discuss things not invoked as part of the proceedings.

Of course, here, we are looking at shades of grey -- which is why there was a 3/2 split vote.

I think if the jury had just discussed "moral" issues without taking copies of Bible verses into the deliberation room, there wouldn't have been a case.

#207

Considering the thread, it should be Wild Turkey.

#188 paxnhymn

Yes. You did miss something.

First, the Bible isn't always used to swear in a witnesses and the defendant(s). The Judge may only request that the defendant(s) and witnesses merely raise their right hand and then swear an oath.

Second, I have no idea if the Bible was used in this case in the oath pledges made by the defendants and witnesses. But assuming it was used, it would still have zero application for the jury to cite in their sentencing debate.

The jury should know better than to import information not presented at trial.

#203 kayawanee

An atheist would be asked to swear on the US Constitution or simply to swear on whatever basis the Judge decides. When witnesses are subpoenead by the Congress they do not swear on oath on a Bible. All is discretionary.

#191

Turns out the Katyn massacre, in which thousands of Polish officers were murdered, was actually perpetrated by the Russians.
For decades it was assumed that it was a Nazi atrocity, and the
Russians propagandized it with good effect so well that it is now
considered accepted fact that Katyn was a Nazi job. New evidence in recent years however shows that it was definitely done by the Russians.
As for Gulags, my great uncle, captured at Stalingrad, spent nine
years in Siberia and was one of very few to make it home.
Hundreds of thousands captured did not. So let's not split hairs
on which totalitarian murderous thugs are worse, Stalin and Hitler
were peas in a pod

#173 Common Sense

I believe it's called "legislation through the bench" and it happens too much

"The Courts must declare the sense of the law; and if they should be disposed to exercise WILL instead of JUDGMENT, the consequences would be the substitution of their pleasure for that of the legislative body". The Federalist No. 78

my great uncle, captured at Stalingrad, spent nine years in Siberia and was one of very few to make it home.

Well well well...

I wonder what your great uncle thought of Mein Kampf?

#210 axiom
#188 paxnhymn

#203 kayawanee - An atheist would be asked to swear on the US Constitution or simply to swear on whatever basis the Judge decides. When witnesses are subpoenead by the Congress they do not swear on oath on a Bible. All is discretionary.

My post #203 was meant to be interpreted as a joke. I would have thought that the "Lords of Kobal"/Battlestar Galactica" oath would have been a dead giveaway.

=)

Kofi Annan LIVE on Cspan 1 starting NOW.

Re Oil for Food scandal

#211 rokbassist

on target although stalin was at it a lot longer and killed more and a wider variety

#214 kayawanee
My post #203 was meant to be interpreted as a joke

Hey - it made me laugh!

# 211 & 216:

WTF?

#213

He was the only true Nazi in our family. Everyone at that time was in the Nazi party, because if you weren't , you didn't have a job and you didn't eat. He was the only one that was an actual believer. My parents couldn't stand him when we visited, we were there to see my mother's aunt, her mother's only sibling (and her mother had died many years previously). My dad thought he was a jackass, apparently because some of those old beliefs were still there, despite everything that had occured during and after the war. Both my grandfathers were drafted into service and my parents watched their homes destroyed on several occasions, once by the Russians. My great grandfather was killed in Dachau, a political prisoner.

Golden Jerusalem

So far ... Glad that Turket is a "fiercely Secular" State.

Democracy does give it the opportunity to vent steam the other islamic states don't have.

OT - but related to Islamic thuggocracies and dealing with them in the future (Thuggoacracies always eat their young)

Is this the

Really what happened to the missing 1800 gallons of Anthrax ?

Will we ever really know ?

Did Charles open registration, I wonder?

hey GJ

Everyone at that time was in the Nazi party

Ten bucks say my great-grandfather wasn't in the Nazi Party...

Man, I better go get a stiff drink, it stinks in here...

#210-

Actually, atheists do not swear, they affirm. Considering that to swear means invoking a higher power (aka the Creator or God) to witness your words and vouch for them, the very idea of an atheist "swearing" to tell the truth would be perjury in itself.

my ancestors used to crack nazi skulls at german american bund meetings all over NY in the 30's and 40's...

raising questions if the sales reflect growing anti-Semitism or anti-American sentiment in this Muslim country or if it’s just curiosity and a cheap read. (

If the price of Korans is raised so that it becomes unaffordable for most people, we may see islamic fundamentalist violence subside over time.

Who's for cornering the Koran market?

Whee, Kojo goes under the wheels of the bus!

#215 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

He's being awfully evasive, surprise surprise.

Blame it on Kojo!

#226 maines

thats an excellent idea. I'm down.

214 kayawanee

oh yeah, it was taken that way, and funny, too! BTW, anyone checked out the new Battlestar...not impressed! I think it's a chessy way to get out of doing cool special effects by saying Cylons now look like humans...

i was dissapointed...

#217 BabbaZee
Hey - it made me laugh!

Thanks BabbaZee. I'm glad someone's laughing. If I can't provide some comic relief once in a while, I wonder about my service to this message board! =)

#224 tankdemon

Nitpicking words...

I like it! ;-)

#231 kayawanee
you and me both!

230 PIMF

the word was "cheesy"

:-?

Hey BabbaZee,

Back with that drink. It's Russian vodka an cranberry juice, if anyone wants to know.

my ancestors used to crack nazi skulls at german american bund meetings all over NY in the 30's and 40's...

Good for them. My family had to flee the nazis.

The Russian people suffered under Stalin, but were attacked by the nazis and fought the nazis, showing incredible strenght and courage. I have several Russian friends here, whose grandfathers were in the war.

/seething

Re: Kojo & Kofi

Very very good 2nd questioner (paraphrasing):

Why was the Oil for Food investigation funded out of the Oil for Food account?

Oh what irony.

#226 Maine's Michael

I'd rather leave the cover the same and replace the pages with this

#236 Golden Jerusalem

Just got here, and I'm not scrolling up.

Think cat butts, okay?

Hell, no, he won't go!

#234 ploome hineni

CNN guy: Would it be better for the organization if you stepped down?

Kofi: Hell no

#230 paxnhymn
214 kayawanee - oh yeah, it was taken that way, and funny, too! BTW, anyone checked out the new Battlestar...not impressed! I think it's a chessy way to get out of doing cool special effects by saying Cylons now look like humans...i was dissapointed...

Thanks for the kudos. But I'm sorry to hear that you don't like the new BG. I think it's a lot better than the original in a lot of ways. Defintely raunchier. And I like the way they interpret the new Dr. Baltar character as seemingly suffering from sexually explicit hallucinations/schitzophrenia.

#90 newsjunkie_ky

I heard this AM that starbucks will not send coffee to our troops because they don't believe in what we are doing in Iraq.

That isn't quitetrue.

Kofi: Please leave Lubbers alone, the issue is resolved.

#236 Golden Jerusalem

My European relatives fled too - or were killed - only one small group had made it to America before the war and they were the Kosher Nostra skull smashers LOL!

Only 4 years ago I found a 2nd cousin through jewishgen.org - the only one who survived, she avoided the camps (Romanian) she was 9 when she came here, sponsored by the lower east side head crackin crew.

On saturday I met a german man (about 50-55 years old) at a friend's house who mentioned in conversation that his dad had to "flee to argentina"
They removed me from the room before I could speak!

#239 Sarah Dee:

LOL. I wasn't gonna bring that up again, I swear...:>)))

Islamic wisdom for the day:

Q: 1. Is it true that if you sleep on your stomach the devil will sodomize you. 2. Is Harry Potter permissable and if it isn't will everyonw who reads them go to hell.

A: 1. It is Makrooh (disliked) to sleep on one’s stomach. It is not true that the Shaytaan will sodomise a person who is sleeping on his stomach.

2. Harry Potter is not a good read for Muslims.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

You can't make this stuff up...

242

I think she was some sort of implant...a very sultry on for sure! I guess I was just lokking for more robot mahem! I don't need "steamy"...my home life's good enough!

#247 Golden Jerusalem

I know, but it sounded like you needed it.

;-)

#236 Golden Jerusalem

The shame of history is that many people were caught between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea, so to speak. My father in law, who was 7 at the time grew up in Dnepropetrovsk, Ukraine, and all he can really remember is that his family felt that the Nazi Army were the lesser of two terrible evils, at lest they let them keep their food. That is not to say that both weren't horrendous evils upon the world that needed to be destroyed, but it does make you wonder about the Red Army of the time to make te Nazi's look like the better alternative? Thank goodness I didn't live at that time.

#246 BabbaZee:

Well, my family was lucky enough to be in Denmark, which meant they could easily escape to Sweden.

Couple of comments there (211, 216), which brought on the red mist, if ya know what I mean?

#90 newsjunkie_ky

Apologies. I see other watchful lizards have set this straight already.

#249 paxnhymn

242- I think she was some sort of implant...a very sultry on for sure! I guess I was just lokking for more robot mahem! I don't need "steamy"...my home life's good enough!

That's what I first thought, but now I'm starting to think that he may actually be a Ceylon, and yet not know it, like some of the other characters.

But it's nice to hear that your home life is good! =)

#252 Golden Jerusalem
I do!

248 Sarah D.

ROFLMAO! (catching my breath) They've got Satan confused with myhowmad (maybe not)...

hmmm... it appears that they both like the round brown...

eeewww!

All I know is that the russians suffered horribly, were massacred and forced into death marches and slave labor and G-d knows what -- but they fought the f*cking nazis, and without 'em? Who knows?

I have the testimony of the very few people who survived Auschwitz to tell me that the Red Army were liberators, at least in their eyes.

As I said, i have several Russian friends, who are great people and whose grandparents fought the nazis.

These are historical facts that I, for one, am not prepared to ignore or trivialize with moral=equivalence bullsh*t.

The Imam tackles the issue of women leading Friday prayers, and he's pretty long winded about it.

Q: Assalam o alaikum wa rehmatullah ... There is a fitna starting in NYC with a lady leading Friday prayers (please see the link mentioned at the end of my question). Is there ANY proof from our history for that? Did it ever happen in the time of Khilafa? Is there anything that you can provide against this to show as a proof to people who are confused? Jazakallah khairan. [Link: www.muslimwakeup.com...]

Snippet of response:

At this juncture, I wish to mention an article written by the former USSR President Mr. Michael Gorbachev in his book entitled "Prostrika" In this book; he has included a chapter called "Status of women" In this chapter he has clearly written: "The women in our western society were driven out of the homes. As a result of her expulsion from the home, we gained some economic benefits in the form of some production, because men and women are both working. Despite the increase in production, its inevitable result was that our family system was shattered. The loss sustained by this destruction of the family system is more than the gains obtained from increase in production. I am, therefore going to launch in my country a campaign in the name of "Prostika" The basic objective of this campaign is to think how we can bring back to her home the women who has gone out of her home. We have to think about this; otherwise the entire nation will be destroyed.

An Imam is quoting Gorbachev? I am very very confused now.

@239 Sarah D

"Just got here, and I'm not scrolling up.

Think cat butts, okay? "

I was scrolling up when I got your post. That stopped me dead in my tracks with LMAO!

I wanted to check if any of you had read the following article. I've not been keeping much up with the news since Friday.

Two groups claim Texas blast, FBI sees no foul play

DUBAI, March 24 (Reuters) - Two Islamist groups have said they caused Wednesday's explosion at a Texas oil refinery which killed 15 people but the U.S. FBI said there was no evidence of "any criminal or terrorist activity".

"Turkey’s government Monday played down soaring sales of Adolf Hitler’s anti-Semitic book “Mein Kampf” (“My Struggle”) and said there were no racists in the large Muslim country."

And Chretien said there were no terrorists in Canada.

Is there some common text that provides off the shelf "government statements" for every occasion?

These are historical facts that I, for one, am not prepared to ignore or trivialize with moral=equivalence bullsh*t.

The only equilivance I would attach is one of incredibly evil vs. incredibly, incredibly evil. Lousy choice, no matter how you slice it.

BTW, who gets the royalties?

quark2

Call me crazy, but I consider claims by two terrorist groups as "evidence."

#259 quark2

Sorry! No, I hadn't seen that. I'm not newsing it today, as I need to get off here and into the yard.

I just can't resist seeing what the Religion of Bondage is doing though.

Renna

They are trying to claim victories in their jihad. However it may be the truth.

#262 Studsup

Man, what a straight line.

#251 beeblebrox:

Ukraine? Don't get me started.

Strangely, not many Ukranians seemed to mind things like Babiy Yar as long as the nazis didn't take their food.

Have not many polls have also shown Osama Bin Laden is the most popular figure in the Middle East? And we're supposed to believe this, being Islam, is not a culture of hate, but for tolerance, peace, inclusion and acceptance of non-Muslims, as we're being sold in the west? Look at the picture on the cover, how they glorify Hitler. You can always tell about a culture by how they treat the least of their breathren, just as you can by what they admire.

And, just in case some of you weren't aware of this little fact.

Now you know why they are all wild-eyed. It's the stubble.

Speaking of Mein Kampf and Judenrein areas

2005 Budget Passed
21:38 Mar 29, '05 / 18 Adar 5765

The Knesset emptying out, after the long day's series of votes finally passed the budget, for this year. This is the budget mapping where the state money will go the next nine months, and where it has been going for the past three.

The budget passing means that PM Sharon's coalition is now safe from the legal threat of being dissolved, which would have come about if he had not passed it by the end of this month.

the traitor is now legally clear to forcibly remove Jews from their homes. I wonder what sharon will title his memoires.

#252 255

Don't think the Nazi party did my relatives any favors. They were all from Berlin, and you didn't have any choice on party membership other than to not join and enjoy the brutal repression. No matter where they went they were caught between opposing armies and suffered under all of them, when not being bombed silly day and night. None (except the one great uncle, who was a relative by marriage, not blood) bought the party line, least of all my dad's side, whose grandparents came from Lithuania and spoke Yiddish (the great grandfather who died at Dachau was from my mom's side and originally came from Silesia which is now part of Poland). So don't get pissed at me because the Russian army didn't treat them any better than the Nazis did. Their only saving grace was that they ended up in the American sector in Berlin after the war, whereas most of their relatives ended up in East Germany. Most were never heard from again except for a couple distant cousins who reappeared after the wall came down.

#269:

LOL. I guess Allah is all for the porn actor trim, HARH!

269 Sarah

Thanksalot...be kind to the middle-aged..
I just laughed so hard I think I pissed my pants!

#137 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Well worth restating:
Re: Starbucks

Starbucks is actually vilified among LLLs because "they force coffee farmers to sell at really low prices," they have prevented their baristas from unionizing (any unionized baristas actually belong to the IWW), and are a symbol of the evil corporate world and gentrification.

Re: France vs. Google

Whatever the reason, Google, the world's largest search engine, has been taking a beating lately in France, legally and culturally. Between a series of lawsuits and recent French furor over Google's plans to digitize some of the world's largest library collections, things are looking tres mauvais for the company in France. A recent phrase born in the French press, "omnigooglization," has even come to be shorthand for America's digital-culture imperialism, stirring old fears of waning French influence reminiscent of recent political struggles.

[Link: service.spiegel.de...]

The problem isn't individual American firms, it's the conspiracy theory wackos who would stop a poor farmer from selling coffee and blame an abstract software code for the death of French "culture".

#272 Golden Jerusalem

Plucked I might add.

Ouch.

#273 paxnhymn

:-)

Glad I could amuse!

OT:

Study finds that college faculties are overwhelmingly liberal/ Who'da thunk it? Click on the link to discover the study's other explosive revelations.

@263 renna

You're not crazy, they just have awfully long arms that can reach from the Persian gulf to Texas city. Hrmmm...
News that is most likely not even good for fodder.

@264 Sarah D

Me too...me too...I've already had to "rescue" our new foal today, he's figured out how to go through the fence!

#275:

Ooooh! [yikes!]

#271 rokbassist

I made no assumptions about the nazi party doing favors for your relatives, and I'm not the least bit pissed at you. I dont even know you.

however I understand GJ's reaction to some of the posts - and had a similar reaction myself.

BTW Were your yiddish speaker relatives Jews?

#261 beblebrox

Amen, evil all around. Consider the Warsaw Ghetto & who helped whom, or didn't.

#265 Sheet

Thought of that. They claimed the latest Shuttle disaster too, if memory serves. So it isn't proof. But for them to say it isnt' even evidence?

One of the things I gripe on here about the most is when the media jumps to say "no evidence of terrorism" because they feel they have to keep the dumb yokel populace from panic or vigilante justice or whatever.