By George, I think WordWarp's got something there.

Inquiring minds want to know.

This stinks to high heaven.

It was Rove.
Ah, Karl, you magnificent bastard!
I like what vanderleun (I think) said- this will play right up to November, and the Dems will look more and more clueless the more they try to 'splain their way out of it

Don't forget about $9K of dotmoney to the Kerry campaign and McCarthy being appointed by Sandy Burglar.

How much you want to bet this is completely ignored on the Sunday shows?

Maybe Fox will address it, but doubtful the others will.

Dana Priest's Pulitzer has just turned to dust.

My quetion:

Reporters are fond of telling us that they never publish anything without having at least two independent sources.

OK. So McCarthy is one of Priest's sources for the foreign prison story. Who or what is the second source? Is it another leaker?

Don't tell me they printed the story with only one source. That would make the entire MSM serial leakers.

What hath Clinton wroth.

#6

Should read "serial liars."

Karl is a genius..

Lefties are fond of saying, "At least when Clinton lied, nobody was killed."

His legacy is endless damage to this country.

The Associated Depressed story covering this mess has a photo along with it?

Whose photo? McCarthy? Nah. Scooter Libby!

Good grief.

A tangled web they weave...

Not.

I have also heard that Rockefeller is connected to this stink too.
Add all of this to the admissions that Fitgerald knows who the Plame leaker is and won't do anything because no crime was committed and we may see some fine Dem frog marching coming up around the bend.

#5 JammieWearingFool - This may be ignored on this Sunday's shows, but is really too big (and potentially HUGE) for even the Ancient Media to ignore and as much as they want to bash Bush & Co. they aren't so stupid as to jump in and claim Mary McCarthy as a "whistleblower" yet, not when there's at least one other, as yet unknown to us peasants, spy out there.
My hunch (and that's all it is) is that the other(s) will also turn out to have strong Clinton and/or Kerry affiliations.

...mwuahaaahaahaaahaaa...

O/T:

Too bad. I liked Pink. I didn't think that she was this dumb.

Yes, the leaks are bad.

Especially, when W, Cheney, Rove and Libby leak then lie.

I'd love to believe that to be true, realwest, but the media will circle the wagons and move on to another obsession of the week. They got off for a couple weeks on Rumsfeld.

Tim Russert is neck deep in the Pflame leak affair. Do you think he'll mention it?

Guarantee tomorrow's TV headlines will be the "catastrophic" gas prices. They even dug up some pathetic sow today moaning that she had to hock something to get some gas.

And did she ever chat with Novak?

It's about oil you losers.
/sarc off

17,

Please be specific as to what any of them leaked.

You do realize Libby didn't leak anything, right, and was charged with perjury?

I'll assume by your nic you're just playing games.

What's that smell?

13 mbruce - Sen Durbin the turban may be linked too. 14 realwest- I bet Russert covers it tomorrow. No journalist wants to be scooped. Even if it makes the Dems look bad. I think your hunch is on the money.

#11 JammieWearingFool

The Associated Depressed story covering this mess has a photo along with it?

Whose photo? McCarthy? Nah. Scooter Libby!

That's just like when the NYT ran a story on the Mohammed cartoon controversy and instead of using one of the Mohammed cartoons as the graphic for the story, they put a picture of the elephant poo artwork of the Virgin Mary instead.

Bush bashing "American Dreamz" absolutely tanked on opening night.

A lot of lefty moonbats are encouraging each other to see it because it bashes Bush ... guess they haven't gotten the word out.

What is this? Three days of the Condor but it's a secret (D)emocrat party operating to influence elections within the CIA?!?

I'm pounding on a roundup here...

But this time the McCarthy is waving a list of known... patriots.

Anybody have links to contribute?

Oh boy,
Charles has registration open.

#16

Its aimed at little girls (look at the audience). . .what do you expect from "Get the Party Started" woman?

Mary McCarthy was a great American writer.

This one is an impostor.

#11 JammieWearingFool

The Associated Depressed story covering this mess has a photo along with it?

Whose photo? McCarthy? Nah. Scooter Libby!

* * * *

Jammie . . . of course!
Why not run with Libby's photo?
He's the one that did NOT leak Plame's name,
so NATURALLY he deserves to be pictured with McCarthy and Priest for NOT LEAKING the Gulag story as well!

26 DANegerous
neo neo con has a half dozen good links

It would appear that the dreaded comment #17*** may very well be the real joe wilson from reading it's L³ comments. :=(

***Comment #17

(read down to see origin:Terms that Originated on LGF, and Which Remain Used Almost Exclusively on LGF and Nowhere Else)

Wait. Just wait. For months the media has been killing Bush for the Plame leak. If this ends up being the real source for the leak, I can't wait to watch the MSM Hokey Pokey dance.

Let's not forget that Mary McCarthy was appointed by ol' docs-in-socks himself, Sandy Berger.

Post 6 Uncle BigBad

"Dana Priest's Pulitzer has just turned to dust."

Not only that, I think the Pulitzer's are finally dust themselves.

17 joewilson Do you have any proof of anything you said or are you just a reporter for WaPo or the NYT?

#17 joewilson

Hello asshole.

Ask RussiaChina if they'd rather do business with an Iran that is producing their oil and buying their guns or an Iran that's engaged in war with the US.

And not doing anything but creating a big smoke hole.

Iran is spewing becuase of pathetic enemy enablers like you have boosted the confidence of a wack-job, wanna-be Great Mahdi who would love tokill you and everyone else.

Nice work - Fuck off.

Yes, the leaks are bad. Especially, when W, Cheney, Rove and Libby leak then lie.
___

I will be your huckleberry.

Here are reasons why Iran is spewing threats:

Troops and equipment stretched thin in Iraq.

President is weak with little credibility.

China will support to protect oil interests.

Russia will support to protect nuclear interests.

President's nuclear deal with India destroys diplomacy efforts.

Not to mention other countries who hate American policy will support Iran.

England will not support an American strike but look for Israel to be Iran's huckleberry.
___

I liked this part:

We live daily with the Iraq war, a quagmire that we were led into on the basis of lies and for which this president has never apologized and never will.

Big Z

Sorry if this has been posted:No Hint Seen in Memo that Plame's Role Was Secret

It contains the unclassified memo at the bottom

Hat tip: ymeagain

If it's the real Joe Wilson, and I highly doubt it, I have some advice for him:

Update the haircut.

#36 Rayra

You sure have a way with words. LOL You made my night.

Try reading the info on this blog:

In From the Cold

Scroll down and read how high Mary McCarthy really *was*

Equally interesting is her meteoric rise within the intelligence community. According to her bio, she joined the CIA as an analyst in 1984. Within seven years, she had rise to a Deputy NIO position, and reached full NIO status by 1994. To reach that level, she literally catapulted over dozens of more senior officers--and I'm guessing that her political connections didn't hurt. By comparison, I know a current NIO, with a resume and academic credentials more impressive than Ms. McCarthy's, who reached the position after more than 20 years of extraordinarily distinguished service. McCarthy's rapid advancement speaks volumes about how the Clinton Administration did business, and sheds new light on the intelligence failures that set the stage for 9-11. We can only wonder how many other political hacks climbed the intel food chain under Clinton--and remain in place to this day.

He's got more on her ties to Berger, too.

Here is one, there are many.

43 joewilson

try again

26 DANEgerous

Start at this incredible shill-piece defense of Mary McCarthy and follow the trail of crumbs. I think this guy and others from his firm of CIA-wannabes will be knee-deep in this thing eventually.

"I know Mary McCarthy personally, and I have a deep understanding of the pathologies extant within the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the new layer of bureaucracy created by the DNI at a cost to the taxpayer of close to $1 billion a year.

"There is absolutely no question that Mary acted in the finest traditions of the Republic, helping reveal and reduce terrible violations of international law and human rights by the CIA..."

That's a hippopotamus of a hypothisus.
/scratching beard

Precisely what the Collectivists don't want; you to "connect the dots", see the underlying subterfuge absent wacky conspiracy theories, to be smacked with the holy mackarel of truth.

Thanks Charles. It really deserved this concatenation thread.

43 dickhead,

That story is older than your hairstyle.

Geez.

Is Jan. 2004 the best you can do?

No wonder the Nigerians made you look like a buffoon.

Go shove some yellow cake in you piehole, have Wife #2, Spylady, warm up some milk for you, and then choke on it.

#43 joewilson - Your link led to "The document name you requested (/marshall/010704.aspxbr /) could not be found on this server. However, we found documents with names similar to the one you requested".
Now g'wan kid, you're bothering me. Only adults allowed here.

48 ploome hineni 4/22/2006 06:46PM PDT

11 JammieWearingFool 4/22/2006 06:12PM PDT
The Associated Depressed story covering this mess has a photo along with it?

Whose photo? McCarthy? Nah. Scooter Libby!

Good grief.

but he is NOT mentioned in this article!

You'd think they'd have a modicum of editorial judgment. But don't accuse them of any bias. They might be offended.

45 ploome hineni- silly boy. Of course Zionists were involved. Rove is just their tool.

Bush needs to fire every CIA official who had anything to do with Clinton. Or just dissolve the entire organization. They have caused untold damage for decades.

By George, I think WordWarp's got something there.

Honestly, people. I see the right side of the blogosphere doing the same thing the MSM does. Someone makes something up or otherwise engages in some piece of speculation (the prison story was some sort of sting operation), then it gets posted far and wide, and since it validates some people's world view starts to become accepted as fact.

Besides statements about who was posted where, the entire thing is fantasy. It is speculation not backed up by even the slightest morsel of fact. The MSM does that and I despise it. I am saddened when I see it being done by people that should have better integrity than that.

Someone speculated that it might be a sting and that seems to have grown some legs and seems on its way to becoming fact in some people's minds.

People ... breathe. Just relax.

All we know at this point for certain is that McCarthy talked to Priest. That's it. We also know that there are other leaks being investigated (dozens according to reliable government sources) and there is at least one criminal investigation ongoing that is not focused on McCarthy. That is ALL that is known for certain. All the rest ... this information being a sting, Priest's husband getting Joe Wilson media gigs, McCarthy sending Wilson to Niger ... purely made up in someone's head. It's nice to talk about what ifs but damn people, don't go talking like it's somehow known to be fact.

Doing crap like this is what causes many on the right to lose credibility and causes others about the center to stop listening.

It would be much more productive to focus on fact and wait for the rest of the story to unroll. It will unroll, it is just going to take time. Maybe it WAS a sting operation but that seems unlikely since it would apparently require participation by so many people as to make it nearly impossible to pull off. Sure, if someone made up a report and handed it to the IG and the IG leaked the report, that would be an easy and plausable sting. In this case there appear to be too many different sources talking to Priest for that to be the case. It looks to me like just what the government says it is: people leaking highly classified information to the press.

#46 mich-again

I just woke up from the nap I took, resting against my mailbox, and the rain and hail scared the s*it out of me! :)

A nice round of applause for the new Miss USA.

#56 NY Nana

That was priceless!

I did my research, now do yours.

#57 Jammie

Now there is proof that Silicon Valley is still hard at work. ;)

crosspatch,

We're allowed to speculate.

Things you see posted may be hypothesis, but they're based on known facts as we have them.

Sure, more will become known, but in the meantime, it is up to us and others to find out, because much of the media will ignore the story.

Oh I love open registration on a Saturday night! Let the good times roll!

56 NY Nana
I was mistaken about having your e-mail address. oops.

I'm working to connect Mary McCarthy to the Open Source Intelligence community. I found an old site in which a Charles Allen spoke at Harvard all about Open Source intelligence and in it he mentioned Mary McCarthy and her views that were similar to his here.

The next dot is to the CEO of OSS and the self-annointed champion of Open Source Intelligence, Richard David Steele who also happens to be seriously infected with CDS (Cheney derangement syndrome)

So is this what the libs mean by "new MaCarthyism"

I can not wait to here what Ann Coulter has to say about this.

She was fired because she supported the DNC! There's no political freedom in the government anymore! Bush fires everyone who supports the other side! This will lead to the end of our democracy! Dogs and Cats living together! Mass Hysteria!

I wonder why I haven't heard this connection yet... It's mostly been that she was biased against Bush, not that her termination itself was biased because SHE supported democrats. Maybe I'm just not looking around at leftist commentary enough.

Seriously though, does it really matter whether or not this woman approved Joe Wilson's trip? I'm sure someone other than Plame had to sign off on it.

Cartman,

Just doing my part for humankind.

A nice Kentucky girl.

Yum.

59 joewilson

I did my research, now do yours.

LOL ROFLMAO! You are a crack-up. A stand-up comic even.

That was "research". Thanks for the laugh! Its always fun when Charles drops a few crickets into the lizard cage.

67 Jammie wearing fool: Cartman comes up with wit. Me, all I thought was

Yowzah!

I have a hunch joewilson is gagdad bob under new management.

#57

Beautiful, but a little thin for my taste.

NFL Cheerleaders have always been my idea of what All American hotties oughta be.

crosspatch- we're having fun speculating. It's Saturday night.
What, you want fact checking?

#72

Indeed, but can any of them do calculus? If so, I think I'm in love.

More Miss USA

hang 'em

So lemme see if I have this straight so far:
We have Mary Mcarthy who was appointed by Clinton
We have Sandy Berger who was appointed by Clinton
We have the real Joe Wilson, who was appointed to some African nation and then Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council by Clinton
We have Valerie Plame Joe Wilson's wife, who joined the CIA while Clinton was president
and we have Dana Priestly who got her information from the aforesaid Mary Mcarthy,
and we have William Goodfellow, husband of Dana Priestly who gets Joe Wilson speaking engagements.
Tom Clancy eat your heart out.

#59 joewilson

I did my research, now do yours.

But we need more, sirjoe. Much more. More "research", please! Scour the leftist blogs. Pick and paste, cut and chop. Plagiarize your own thoughts, even. Reconstruct, create, embellish, and delve. More "research", please! Go the extra scientifically methodical mile, joey. Sway us with substantial and irrefutable fact. Wow us with more bullet-proof logic. We're countin' on ya, joester!

Joey! Come out of that basement! It's time for suppper!

Awww...OK, Mom...

Have to go O/T here since it's too early on the West Coast for an open thread.:D

Last week we Yanks were told to be "pretty" with the implication that we are the only ugly ones. Yeah, well. Here we go with the Brits ponying up to the ugly trough (and well-deserved, I might add!)...and from...drum roll...the BEEB no less! Check out the photo for a laugh.

Some snips:

England 'addicted to sex and TV'

Alcohol, television and sex are national obsessions, says the guide
England is a nation of "overweight, alcopop-swilling, sex-and-celebrity obsessed television addicts", according to a travel guide.
...
It tells tourists that the country's most exciting social and architectural developments are in thriving cities such as Birmingham, Manchester and Newcastle.(ed...huh?!)

It also praises the natural beauty of England's beaches and says they could compare with those in the Mediterranean and Caribbean.(ed...no friggin' way. I mean, no way!)

The guide's top three English beaches are Par Beach, at St Martin's on the Isles of Scilly, and Porthcurno and Polzeath, which are both in Cornwall.(ed...yeah, if you like walking on stones in the rain. Go for it!)

It includes a list of 35 "things not to miss" in England, which include castles, tea and Bonfire Night.(ed...sheesh! Bonfire night? Guy Fawks is a ph$cking bore compared to the average BBQ here in the South.)

/and so goes my hate/love relationship with the Brits. At least they are admitting that they are equally as 'fat and stupid' as we are. ;)

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

The lovely Miss USA reacts favorably when notified she wins a date with JWF.

You sure about that?

Yeah, pretty much. It's people pulling scenarios out of their asses. That's fine as far as it goes and there's no harm in batting scenarios about, but lets not make the jump to deluding ourselves that these are true until they bear out to be so. It's fine to play what if, but bad for someone to come up with a really nice one and for people to start posting it as fact because they would dearly love for it to be true.

This is the kind of hypocracy I see from both the far left and the far right. The left does this all the time and it drives the right nuts. The right does it too and that drives the left nuts. Don't do it. There's no reason to. It only muddies the water, adds more weeds to the blogosphere. Sure, I like a true-to-life "it could happen" kind of novel just like everyone else but lets not pretend it is true just because we would like it to be. I am just asking folks to simmer down a little.

All of those things MIGHT turn out to be fact but right now all of those things are speculation. I am not gonna bet anything on a rectal extraction.

I highly doubt that the McCarthy issue is a sting and just because the EU couldn't find prisons doesn't mean the things that were leaked to the press didn't happen. I think they probably did happen because there appear to be too many sources saying pretty much the same thing.

The government says there have been leaks of highly classified and highly damaging information. I tend to believe statements like that from named government officials over speculations posted in blogs from "fuzzylips" (note that I just made the name "fuzzylips" up on the fly and any similarity to any existing blog nic is completely coincidental).

7 realwest- so incestuous you'd think they werw from Arkansas?

70 savage nation- just relaxing after a day in class reviewing the pathophysiology of the cardio-pulmonary system. Tomorrow is a review of current diagnostic trends and treatment. I'm looking for a little levity in my life right now!

#55 crosspatch

It would be much more productive to focus on fact

Thank you thank you thank you.

However, your faith that the facts will ultimately be unrolled - we're talking about the MSM. If it is, it won't be there.

#55 Crosspatch - we have much more than "All we know at this point for certain is that McCarthy talked to Priest."
See my #77.

#72 RTLM

NFL Cheerleaders have always been my idea of what All American hotties oughta be.

Different strokes, I guess. Hell, I'd have to strap a 2x4 to my...never mind. ;)

grayp- I think this is as big as rathergate. The blogosphere hit that hard enough that the MSM picked it up, slowly but surely.
For a journalist, the next best thing to bringing down a politician is bringing down a competitor.

#81 crosspatch - "I think they probably did happen because there appear to be too many sources saying pretty much the same thing." Of course, all those "sources" are annonymous and the only actual investigation found NO EVIDENCE of those prisons.
Who's speculating now?

When will people learn to spell "hypocrisy"?

One other note: If it were a sting, the government would have been safe in announcing it so yesterday. If they had done such a sting it would have, in fact, been much to their advantage to simply lay it all out and put egg on the face of all those people who were touting that information as fact and on faces of those who spread it far and wide. It would have been the correct moment to let the press know they had been punked. If it were a sting, there is probably no longer any benefit to keeping it hidden and more benefit in exposing it. That didn't happen. I seriously doubt it was a sting unless ... UNLESS (warning: speculation alert!) there were no other sources talking to Priest and Priest made all those other sources up to cover McCarthy. If McCarthy was feeding Priest the actual field reports, then yes it would have been possible to feed McCarthy false reports and have them leaked to Priest with enough information in them for Priest to invent "additional sources". But again, once McCarthy is busted, there would be no benefit to keeping any such sting secret and great benefit in exposing it.

The "sting" scenario is just that, a very nice scenario thought of and posted that has made the rounds and I would WISH that to be so but I keep reminding myself that it is something someone made up on a website.

#90 lazytart - right after I learn that it's Priest, not Priestly.

When will people learn to spell "hypocrisy"?

Yeah, spelling sucks, they should outlaw it.

Whats cheesing me off trying to research the Mary McCarthy connection to OSS, the open source intelligence corporation I mentioned above in 46, is that there was another famous Mary McCarthy, a 60's era author who was also allegedly on the CIA payroll, and that OSS was also the name of the precursor federal agency to the CIA, so googling provides tons of wrong trees to bark up.

The open source intelligence community is a high-tech form of "googling" data from all sorts of sources. Ironic that the real links involving the people and company I'm searching for are "hiding" amongst thousands of other search results.

#90 lazytart and right after crosspatch starts reading comments on his comments on this thread (e.g., #77, 85, and 89).

#94 savage_nation

But I can tell you that this thing with Mary McCarthy is going to be absolutely bigger that rathergate and the Dubai ports deal. Pretty much guaranteed.

How so?

/so far it's getting just about zero ongoing lamestream media coverage, Fox isn't even pimping it

#43 joewilson -
OK, you win. All 404s are right-wing conspiracies. Good catch.

#86 Cartman

Different strokes, I guess.

Different strokes indeed.

MarkX is a baaad boy.

#94 savage nation

But I can tell you that this thing with Mary McCarthy is going to be absolutely bigger that rathergate and the Dubai ports deal. Pretty much guaranteed.

I agree, especilly from the political perspective.
In politics, it is about who has the ball, who is on offense. The right has been on defense for the last two years, and this is just the type of situation to change possesion of the political footbal.
Sorry for all of the sports metaphors, but we Southerners do love our football.

#18 JammieWearingFool wrote:

Guarantee tomorrow's TV headlines will be the "catastrophic" gas prices. They even dug up some pathetic sow today moaning that she had to hock something to get some gas.

Yep they did that today on Channel 9 News in Denver, showing scenes in a pawn shop.

#55 crosspatch

...engages in some piece of speculation...

People ... breathe. Just relax.

Gee, spoil sport. It's Saturday night, allow us to speculate...

It's people like you who spoil all the fun. This is a wacko right wing blog, remember?

I don't think this was a classic "sting" operation. That would be too hard to pull on a CIA vet like McCarthy.

I think its more likely a CIA smackdown of private intelligence firms comprised of ex-CIA employees (Like Richard David Steele) who keep in touch with current CIA employees (Like McCarthy) who are willing to offer up classified information to discredit the Agency that they both feel has run amok under the GWB administration, thanks to Dick Cheney. And what better way to go after him, than by sacking her. Its perfect.

Wow! You start connecting the dots and you get Mary McCarthy, Dana Priest, Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson, Richard Clarke, Sandy Berger , Gen. Anthony Zinni and Fidel Castro! And that was just 10 minutes of reading!

88 savage nation- just working for a living since the hubby can't seem to buy the wining lottery ticket!

Some dots I would like to get connected are:

- between Mary McCarthy, and a lengthy prison sentence;

- between Clinton/Bergler moles in the intelligence community, and the unemployment line.

Correction to 104...

The name I meant to type was Robert David Steele.

I prefer Twister but it's all good fun!

Karl Rove, you magnificent bastard.

we have much more than "All we know at this point for certain is that McCarthy talked to Priest."
See my #77.

I saw your #77, no evidence of anything there.

We have Mary Mcarthy who was appointed by Clinton

Correct, along with a few thousand other people that went into appointed positions during the Clinton administration including George Tenet. McCarthy served in and rose through the ranks of the CIA before Clinton was elected. "She began government service in
1984 as an analyst in the Directorate of Intelligence of the Central Intelligence Agency." So she rose through the ranks during Reagan and Bush.

So what.

We have Sandy Berger who was appointed by Clinton

True, what does that prove?

We have the real Joe Wilson, who was appointed to some African nation and then Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the National Security Council by Clinton

Again, what does that prove?

We have Valerie Plame Joe Wilson's wife, who joined the CIA while Clinton was president

Which proves what?

and we have Dana Priestly who got her information from the aforesaid Mary Mcarthy,

AH, a fact!

and we have William Goodfellow, husband of Dana Priestly who gets Joe Wilson speaking engagements.

Okay, so what? There is nothing illegal with that. Have you ever lived in Washington DC and had a job in or interfacing with the intelligence community? You tend to see the same people no matter where you go and end up networking with them. If Joe is on the speaking circuit, he had been in the intelligence community, Priest covered the intelligence community for WaPo so would have (if she were doing her job) had contact with Wilson duing all the bruhaha and if her husband could get him speaking engagements, what's the crime? It is not a criminal act to be friends with people or even share politics. It IS a crime to share classified information.

Bob Woodward said the whole Plame thing is a joke because "everyone" in journalism circles that covered that community knew Plame was Wilson's wife and that she worked at CIA. It is going to be nearly impossible to determine who "leaked" it because it was common knowledge in those social circles.

There is only one thing in your list that indicates anything was done wrong. Hell, even McCarthy talking to Priest isn't wrong, McCarthy's sharing classified information was.

110 savage nation- LOL! We're always (when we actually choose to give the winner a dollar!) just that close!

#103 savage_nation

Just go to this site. It's bigger than you think.

Yeah, well, how many people read LGC? Coverage on NBS Nightly News tonight, none.

/I'm not saying there's no smoke there, my point was that, as fare as the LSM is concerned, she got fired, end of story, end of coverage

#58 Cartman

Now I hang my head, and feel so guilty! (and my back still hurts! :)

#64 mich-again

And I don't have yours..anyone who has my email addy can send it to mich-again, please.

You are really top drawer in researching this dawg, and I will not be surprised when you connect all the dots...no pun intended!

Example of the press twisting crap up:

Scooter Libby files papers showing he was authorized to discuss certain classified information with a journalist. The purpose of his filing those papers was to document his reason for contact with the journalist. It wasn't to "out" Plame, it was to release the information he had been directed to release and he had the paperwork to prove it.

The press and the Democrats attempted to change the subject. Rather than report that Libby had other documented reasons for contacting the journalist, they attempted to spin it as President Bush "leaking" classified information ... which is absurd because such a thing is impossible.

They took Scooter's documentation that backed up his notes as to what a conversation was about and tried to make it look like he did something wrong simply by having the conversation.

George Soros has so many CIA connections that surely somebody can work him in too. He sure has a bundle of money invested in DNC causes and candidates.

112 crosspatch

Heres more speculation. There have been a number of prominent intelligence leaks throughout the GWB administration. The Mary McCarthy affair is really the first significant CIA crackback of that.

No sooner had the story broke yesterday about how the CIA had fired and was considering charges against an employee for leaks than media sources were citing even more leaked information about the nature of the wrongdoing. Were those leaks from CIA employees? or from Mary McCarthy herself, who is a proponent of open source intelligence and has buddies in the business. Read this.

This case isn't a sting operation on a lone leaker. Its a 12 pound sledgehammer smackdown of the ankle-biting traitors who are using their positions throughout the intelligence industry to discredit the Bush-Cheney administration and the WoT.

111 * attaboid

Twister was a cool flick;

but this site has the real thing:

Extreme Instability

between Clinton/Bergler moles in the intelligence community, and the unemployment line.

Yeah. Evidently there are some partisan players in the intelligence community that need to be burned at the stake.

SPECULATION:

Future leaks will take this path:

Leaker -> Journalist
Journalist -> DNC
DNC -> Different journalist who has never had contact with leaker
Different Journalist -> general public

Sandy Berger got Mary McCarthy the job apparently according to Drudge or someone I read tonight. It's all over the net. The whole incestuous snakepit of Sandy "Sox" Berger, Dana Priest, the Wilsons, their boss and his lover...what can I say! The whole Clinton crowd!

I just got this back from a delusion Bush hater that insists on talking politics.

How would you all respond?

Apparently you didn't read the article, or just skimmed over it to get what you wanted to hear. First, he didn't offer any proof that it didn't happen. Second, all he said was, that there was no absolute proof yet that it did happen. Circumstantial yes, but cold, hard, irrefutable, no. Third, the US has yet to deny that it happened. Rather they chose to go after the leaker, not because she revealed truths that were damaging, but because she was delusional? Plus, the investigation is only a little more than half way completed. Unfortunately, the people in control of the facts are not forthcoming. I wonder why? But those facts wouldn't sway anyone who feels that laws don't mean anything and are made to be broken. Afterall, the end justifies the means. We all know that. Might makes right. I mean, why should our government answer to the same laws that we do? Clearly they are above the law. Bush chose to not be bound by the Geneva Convention. Wonder why? Bush sent memo to Alberto Gonzales requesting parameters on legality of torture. Wonder why? Can you connect the dots Gus?

Michelle Malkin has a little piece on this on her blog but also she links to this piece from NRO with has more information on 'who is Mary McCarthy?' and her connections to Sandy "Sox" Berger.

[Link: levin.nationalreview.com...]

Here's the piece from Michelle Malkin's blog which also speculates on whether or not Mary McCarthy was the one who got Joe Wilson the Niger trip:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

or from Mary McCarthy herself, who is a proponent of open source intelligence and has buddies in the business.

Honestly I am a BIG fan of open source intelligence. OS doesn't mean leaking information it means collecting information from unclassified sources such as jihadi websites and the like. With blogs adding to that, particularly bloggers in foreign countries, there's a ton to be learned from open sources. This includes websites, blogs, chat boards, message boards, things like yahoo groups, usenet, broadcast TV and radio, newspapers, magazines, etc. Just about any kind of data that is placed into the public domain.

Sandy Berger got Mary McCarthy the job apparently according to Drudge or someone I read tonight.

Of COURSE he did. He would have had to. Sandy Berger was National Security Advisor. Mary McCarty was a direct report to him. Berger was McCarthy's boss, he would have had to give the okay for her to work there.

Ding Dong! Confirmed. Look what I found on the web while surfing through links provided to other links: A PR announcement that Sandy Berger appointed Mary McCarthy:

[Link: www.fas.org...]

"TEXT: BERGER APPOINTS MCCARTHY SPECIAL ASSISTANT FOR INTELLIGENCE"
(And senior director on NSC Staff for intelligence programs) (370)

"Washington -- National Security Advisor Samuel R. Berger announced June 16 the appointment of Mary O'Neil McCarthy as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Director for Intelligence Programs.

"She succeeds Rand Beers in that post, an announcement by the office of the White House Press Secretary said.

"Mary McCarthy had been Director of Intelligence Programs on the National Security Council Staff since July 1996. Previously, said the White House, Mrs. McCarthy served as the National Intelligence Officer for Warning from 1994-1996 and as the Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Warning from 1991-1994. She began government service in 1984 as an analyst in the Directorate of Intelligence of the Central Intelligence Agency..."

There's more. It lists her CV and so on.

#122

Rather they chose to go after the leaker, not because she revealed truths that were damaging, but because she was delusional? Plus, the investigation is only a little more than half way completed. Unfortunately, the people in control of the facts are not forthcoming. I wonder why?

I am gonna take this one apart a little.

Rather they chose to go after the leaker, not because she revealed truths that were damaging, but because she was delusional?

No, because leaking is an offense that at minimum breaks her employment contract and can result in immediate termination and at worst could be a capital offense depending on what is leaked and to whom. They went after the leaker because they are SUPPOSED to go after leakers. McCarthy should have taken any ethical concerns she had to the congressional oversight committees, not to the Washington Post.

Plus, the investigation is only a little more than half way completed. Unfortunately, the people in control of the facts are not forthcoming. I wonder why?

Because it is only half-way completed, dummy! They will be more forthcoming when it is completed. Tell this person to have another beer.

Was channel surfing when NBC news was talking about the story so I stopped to see their spin.

She's not a traitor. Not even a leaker. Nooo, she's a "whistleblower". Yep. They interviewed "former CIA operatives" all who vouched for her, said the country deserved to know what's going on, blah, blah, blah and that no laws were broken.

Then the coup de grace. A different "former CIA operative" laid on this bombshell: "did we know that the BUSH administration knew in advance that there were no weapons of mass destruction?!"

I turned it off. No mention whatsoever of her ties to the democratic party, Sandy Berger...nada.

Fasten your seatbelts. Democratic spin machine is now on ludicrous speed.

Ding Dong! Confirmed.

That document was posted here yesterday as soon as her name was made public. What's your point. Sandy Berger was NSCC. He would have been responsible for filling that position.

There is probably a similar document around announcing the appointment of her successor, who would have been appointed by Condi Rice who was NSCC in President Bush's first term.

126 crosspatch

I agree in that I use "open source intelligence" every single day checking out names, links etc on various search engines while digging for "more to the story".

But keep in mind that the champion of the whole industry is Robert David Steele and he is not at all secretive about his utter contempt for the intelligence community and Dick Cheney in particular. link

UPDATED 21 Apr 06 to post final press release on the death of US Intelligence, and call for resignation of the Vice President. See you all at the elections in 2006 and 2008.

We feel badly for the DNI. [bullshit and you know it -ed] He is an honorable well-intentioned individual that has been hamstrung by the Vice President and demeaned by the Secretary of Defense, and he appears to be largely unappreciated by the Secretaries of State, Treasury, and Commerce. We have little hope for substantive reform before 2008 and what we hope will be an enlightened President and a more responsible Congress.

The DNI and DDNI (who received a personal copy from OSS CEO) failed to rise to the challenge of an intelligence duel, and we completely understand--they would have lost. It takes courage of a special kind to fund the truth. They are also not willing to confront the Vice President, who is the single most pathological figure in the U.S. Government, and the primary obstacle to U.S. Intelligence reform.

By "reform" he means privatization. And generally I go along with that. But in matters of national security, I think the President who was voted into office, should manage the intelligence community. Privatization will not get rid of politics in intelligence, rather it will accomplish the very opposite.

#132 crosspatch:

Sorry. Wasn't here for that yesterday. I'm just posting what I read today to add to the thread. Here's a bit more:

This is a post from FR which has a note of interest (apologies if it was posted yesterday).

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Bring it on crosspatch. You can debunk everyone else on this thread, but you are overplaying your hand with me here.

This could get good.

woohoo! hat-tip.

I just now got "fired" from a friendship by an el cubo now-ex-friend, after sending him that series of connections -- which makes me think he realizes just how bad this story might get for them. total cognitive dissonant meltdown turned into rage.

136 wordwarp

I raise a beer in your name!

crosspatch:

I'd just like to add that I gathered from the tenor of the thread as Charles wrote it that we were collating information on this thread to see what would overlap and where. That is part of what makes catching these guys fun. Like Charles tinkering around with the throbbing memo. Or the fact I realized in all the years I'd typed I'd never used an old machine with a 'th' symbol on it. They didn't make them because they were too expensive on manual typewriters. It's a game of detection.

#131 Ladycatnip

Yeah. And the 9/11 terrorists were not really terrorists. They were "whistleblowers" who just wanted to expose the weakness of our defences.

/smoking as much ganja as NBC news

#136 wordwarp:

Notice it's always when you hit the nail on the head that they get upset. The truth really does hurt. I've been there with the L3 brush-off. Just recently, as a matter of fact. Don't sweat it. By tomorrow you'll be relieved.

Nooo, she's a "whistleblower".

Whistleblowers don't blow to the press. If they feel uncomfortable going up the chain in the executive branch, they can go to the oversight committees. That is EXACTLY what they are there for. McCarthy didn't follow procedure as far as I know. At least she isn't claiming to have done so yet.

If she went to the committees and they told her 'yes, we know, it's a shame but it has to happen that way' then it is NOT her responsibility to enforce her moral standards on the intelligence community and cause damage.

What she CAN do and still maintain her integrity is to resign and try to get fellow officers to resign with her. She can even get very public along the lines of "I can no longer in good conscience remain associated with this community in light of what I have learned during my employment there". If enough good people leave, believe me, a stink will be raised, particularly if they are public with their discontent. They don't have to reveal the information. Doing so says "I want to damage this agency or this administration". It is a control issue. It is a personality flaw. It is someone not suited to that kind of work anyway.

I sincerely hope she was minding the door on her way out.

138 foreign devil

It's a game of detection.

Eggs-axctly! (BTW, I'm wearing pajamas.)

#91 crosspatch "But again, once McCarthy is busted, there would be no benefit to keeping any such sting secret and great benefit in exposing it."

Agree it is wrong to post speculation as fact. Don't agree that there is great benefit in immediatly exposing the sting. There is probably greater benefit in waitng for others to defend the leaker based on the vital need for exposure of the "horrible facts" and only then revealing that the so called fact were untrue supplemented with proof of other leaks, to over come the defense that the leaker thought the sting story was true and thus was obligated to let the public know.

But here is a real fact. Michael O'McCarthy has a web blog. He is the same age as M. O. McCarthy. He is very much on the same side as M.O.M.

Secret, non verifiable sources have indicated to others that Michael is a made up personality and in reality is just a sock puppet for Mary. Some will see the absolute truth in what I am posting. Others may even be able to prove that they are the same.

But not wanting to spread speculation as fact, since I agree with you that it is wrong, I will not prove they are indeed the same exact person.

[Link: www.hartfordadvocate.com...]

#125 savage_nation:

Ask him what he would do if Bush up and resigned tomorrow and what he would do when he heard the words, "Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome the President of the United States, Richard Cheney."

I've often wanted to ask one of the DU idiots what the hell they're smoking when they start pushing their little impeachment fantasy scheme that leads to Nancy Pelosi becoming President.

They apparently actually believe that it would be possible to simultaneously impeach, convict and remove from office both the President and the VP, thus making the Speaker of the House (which they of course assume will be in their hands come January) President.

I'm constantly amazed by the ignorance of the left...

Can we question their patriotism now?

Bring it on crosspatch. You can debunk everyone else on this thread, but you are overplaying your hand with me here.

I am not trying to "debunk" anything. I am simply pointing out that people are taking facts that mean nothing and are trying to spin them into whole cloth.

I want to see McCarthy burned at the stake. I want them to rip the rest of the leakers out by their ears. I don't want to see people making crap up and trying to turn things into "facts".

141 crosspatch

What she CAN do and still maintain her integrity is to resign and try to get fellow officers to resign with her.

Of course, f they do that they'll all get high-paying jobs at OSS as "analysts".

131 - ladycatnip

She's not a traitor. Not even a leaker. Nooo, she's a "whistleblower". Yep. They interviewed "former CIA operatives" all who vouched for her, said the country deserved to know what's going on, blah, blah, blah and that no laws were broken.

* * * *

Yeah, that's it! She's a PATRIOTIC WHISTLEBLOWER!

I can hear the Reid/Pelosi/Dean Trio now . . . calling for an "Independent Counsel" to investigate Rove and Chaney to see who leaked her name!

146 crosspatch

I am not trying to "debunk" anything.

HuH? Just about every post you made in the thread questioned (ie debunked) someone else's post. And thats fine with me cause we all need to fact-check each other and make people explain their claims.

So keep on debunking. You're doing fine.

#142 mich-again:

I'm not! .>

They apparently actually believe that it would be possible to simultaneously impeach, convict and remove from office both the President and the VP, thus making the Speaker of the House (which they of course assume will be in their hands come January) President.

They probably also think that low poll numbers justify it. They believe that you can impeach a president at any time by just holding a vote in congress. Impeachment is a criminal trial. It takes >50% of the House to file changes (not going to happen since the Democrats won't get >50% of the House) and it takes >66% of the Senate to convict, which isn't going to happen either because the Democrats aren't going to get 2/3 of the Senate.

I don't think anyone ever accused the moonbat left of sanity. They seem to believe that a 33% Bush approval rating means a 67% moonbat approval rating. It doesn't work that way.

HuH? Just about every post you made in the thread questioned (ie debunked) someone else's post.

No, I didn't say that they facts weren't the truth. I said the facts don't point to any wrongdoing. Being appointed by Sandy Berger doesn't MEAN anything. That isn't a crime. That does not lead to leaking classified information to the Washington Post. There were thousands of other people appointed during the Clinton administration that HAVEN'T leaked classified information.

I didn't debunk it because it isn't false. All the stuff posted have been facts. If anything what I might be debunking is their CONCLUSIONS because the facts they have posted in support of their argument don't support their argument.

The Wright Brothers invented the Airplane
They were from Ohio
Airplanes were used in 9/11 as flying bombs
Some of the hijackers have heard of Ohio
Some passangers have been to Ohio in the past.

9/11 is a conspiracy by Ohio!

That kind of goofy logic is what I am saying shouldn't be going unchallenged.

Sorry, I don't mean to yell with the caps, it's an old habit for emphasis from back before it was easy to select bold or italic.

152 savage_nation

I ran into one of those loonietoons you describe only this morning.

My litmus test for Leftists (to check to see if they are even worth speaking to) is to ask if they buy into the 9/11 conspiracy. If they say no, then OK, we can debate and have a civilized conversation. If they say yes, then it is on. And about 3 minutes later, they leave the conversation embarrassed. I do not let 9/11 conspiracy theorists off with a shrug. Those idiots have to be exposed for their stupidity. Even if its a family member.

153 crosspatch

Being appointed by Sandy Berger doesn't MEAN anything.

I agree with that. If it were a genuine conspiracy, then it wouldn't be that easy to uncover it. The relationaship between Sandy Berger and Mary McCarthy is just a coincidence. He's too stupid to be a part of any substantial conspiracy. For god's sake, a F-ing librarian caught him stealing pages from a book! He's too freaking stupid for real conspiracies.

Equating Berger with Rove is LLL wishful thinking. Rove is a genius.

I dare you to find anyone out of the Clinton days that is NOT a traitor

You mean that every single person that worked in the intelligence community during the Clinton administration is a traitor? Or everyone that started work in the community during the Clinton administration?

What exactly do you mean? The challenge you propose is so broad as to be nearly impossible to meet. Do you mean just worked in the White House? All executive agencies? What?

What other types of secrets do people like Mary McCarthy have access to? Hopefully not many.

140 Foreign Devil and 137 Michagain

Thanks for the kind words. It is upsetting to lose a friend, and I am not happy about it.

Being fully engulfed in Bush Derangement Syndrome, he did the typical Leftist thing and got personal about it -- straight for the ad hominem, trying to make the case that I was a "child" with "bad intentions" who supports "genocide" of all Muslims.

I know many smart people like him whose IQ drops forty or fifty points whenever politics come up. They just go into a frothing rage, because they think with their hearts, not their cold reason, and they *know* in their *heart* that they possess The Truth. Therefore, if you do not believe as they do, you are not only wrong, you are Evil.

The other rage-inspiring aspect is that their sense of identity is defined by being correct, and to be proved wrong is a dire offense. Similarly, their sense of humor comes from a sense of superiority, whereas the rationalist's comes from spotting incongrueties or parallels -- and so if you make fun of them, that is the most hurtful thing you can do to them. On the playground, we called this "can dish it out, but can't take it.' Leftists are thus usually as humorless about their passions, like politics, as they are certain of their beliefs. To mock them, or to laugh at them, is an unpardonable sin.

Sad.

160 wordwarp

That post was full of wisdom. This is just one example...

The other rage-inspiring aspect is that their sense of identity is defined by being correct, and to be proved wrong is a dire offense.

The very essence of being an anti-idiotarian is to NOT be emotionally attached to any particular viewpoint, but instead to be willing to recognize indisputable facts and say, "Woh, I was wrong there..." Otherwise we are just mouthpices for one politician or another, and while I won't speak for anyone else, that aint me.

I'm out Lizahhhds. Keep it real!

What other types of secrets do people like Mary McCarthy have access to? Hopefully not many.

McCarthy was pretty senior. As a member of the office of the IG, she potentially had full access to the entire agency. Her previous postings were not minor ones. She would have had full insight into just about every US intelligence operation, our future plans, etc. for years. During George HW Bush's administration she was in chage of looking over all US intelligence programs.

She is potentially more damaging than even a DCI. She was rose up the ranks to the very highest levels. She has been though the agency from bottom to top and has made about all the connections over the years one could be expected to make.

Basically, she knows just about everything there is to know.

Have a nice evening/morning wherever you are. My eyes are starting to glaze over, I have to hit the sack.

Thanks, Savage, you do the same. I am in California. It's night but not so late. Sleep well.

[Link: www.thepedestalmagazine.com...]

M O'McCarthy rant.

Other post deal with Wilson.

IT BEGIIINSSS

Irony of ironies. "McCarthy"? You're shitting me, right?

This ones a REAL nazi though. A true blue Stalinist.

Fuckin' scary folks. Real scary. Does Chris Matthews know about this? hah. he's in it up to his shit stained eyeballs. Shuster? That creampuff little turdball? C'mon.

Its all a game to these cockroaches.

A game.

And the savages are out there.

In Islamabad.

And Karachi.

And Riyadh.

They are waiting. They dont care if it's Dean, Shrillary or whichever fuck the Demscum put up.

This NYT article is completely preposterous. Colleagues cannot imagine her as a leaker of classified information? "as far as I know, never deviated from the rules ..."

Ms. McCarthy, who began attending law school at night several years ago and was preparing to retire from the C.I.A., may have felt she had no alternative but to go to the press.

What the hell? Does attending night school allow CIA employees to disclose nuclear bomb secrets too?

Can she be executed for this? Can she be executed with Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame?

Please? Gah, I can't believe I've become so bloodthirsty. Thank you, oh Cindy Sheehans and Michael Moores and moonbats galore, you've destroyed my innocence.

Fry the fucking bitch (pardon my language...)

Who cares more about your kids?

This lump of shit, McCarthy? Look at her. Look at that pile of crap. She's nothing.

How about Bush?

Say what you will about him. He's inarticulate some times. He fumbles his words. He gets flustered.

Look into his eyes. When he talks about the war on terror.

Who do you trust?

Look at Dean. Look at Kerry.

So it's a left wing, nutbag conspiracy?

Aw, tell me it isn't so Aint Bea!

I believe McCarthy's role was very minor. My gut agrees with the NYT article. She was a lifer. Was promoted during Reagan and Daddy Bush. I believe her role in the entire thing was simply confirming that IG investigations had been done and what the disposition of them were. I don't believe she is the source of most of the detailed information.

She would have been the easiest to catch because frankly Priest hung McCarthy out to dry. While she (Priest) protects the sources of the detailed information, in one article she specifically mentions having anonymous sources in the IG office THREE TIMES in one article. I am wondering (SPECULATING) if Priest tried to pump McCarthy for more information, McCarthy refused, and Priest "outed" McCarthy for the little bit she got by exposing the office that it came from.

I believe the following is the kind of information McCarthy provided:

The CIA's inspector general is investigating at least half a dozen allegations of serious abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan, including two previously reported deaths in Iraq, one in Afghanistan and the death at the Salt Pit, U.S. officials said.

A CIA spokesman said yesterday that the agency actively pursues allegations of misconduct. Other U.S. officials said CIA cases can take longer to resolve because, unlike the military, the agency must rely on the Justice Department to conduct its own review and to prosecute when warranted.

"The agency has an aggressive, robust office of the inspector general with the authority to look into any CIA program or operation anywhere," said a CIA representative who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "The inspector general has done so and will continue to do so. We investigate allegations of abuse fully." The spokesman declined to comment on any case.

I will be most interested in hearing what McCarthy herself has to say. I am not so interested in speculation by reporters. My gut also tells me that there are worse leakers yet to come.

And it is possible that McCarthy might have thought she wouldn't get fired over information such as the above and wasn't worried about it.

As far as I can tell the only thing that might have been classified from the above article is:

The CIA's inspector general is investigating at least half a dozen allegations of serious abuse in Iraq and Afghanistan

Exactly how many investigations were underway is probably classified.

#169

Fuckin' scary folks. Real scary. Does Chris Matthews know about this? hah. he's in it up to his shit stained eyeballs. Shuster? That creampuff little turdball? C'mon.

LMAO! Shit stained eyeballs! Oh man! Isn't that the truth. That sack of shit stuffed in a suit wouldn't know the truth if it came up and kicked him in the balls.

The rest of your post is dead on. While the LLLs are playing tiddlywinks, the adults are going to have to step in and clean up the mess. I hope. After all, I have hopes of living my life without dying in a death cult suicide attack.

#170

She's going to law school at night? WTF? Wouldn't you think a top job at the CIA, during a war for the survival of the Republic no less, would keep her so busy she wouldn't have enough time for much else?

Not only is she a leaker, she's a lousy civil servant as well.

btw, I agree with Crosspatch's evaluation of this set of circumstances. It is circumstantial. There is no proof of conspiracy. Just because someone is appointed by someone does not causally connect their actions or criminalize them.

That said, I also believe this:

(Many on) The Right thinks the Left is Wrong - misinformed, incorrect, naive, young, inexperienced, idealistic, whatever.

(Many on) The Left thinks the Right is not just Wrong, but Evil. They know this in their Hearts. They FEEL it.

Therefore, to get the Right out of power, all is permitted, and by any means necessary. There is no Wrong in an act when you are answering to a Higher Good.

Therefore, breaking secrecy oaths and conspiring among friends is okay, as long as it is in the service of the Higher Good.

Time will tell. Potentially, this story would be bigger than Watergate if Rockefeller and Turbin are also involved in the leaking/sting (and if the MSM were not ready at every turn to ignore it or bury it on page 14, which has been their MO so consistently as to be almost comical).

My problem with all this is that McCarthy was a lifer. It is hard to see her as a partisan even if she donated to Kerry's campaign. Maybe she's just a Democrat that makes enough money to donate.

My point is that she served in high positions before Clinton. A position in the Inspector General's office at CIA is not a puny position either. It is actually a positon of great trust. You are saying to the person "we value the wisdom you have gained over the years and are counting on you to help the intelligence community police itself". It's the kind of position you give to a lifer who is nearing retirement.

I really, really want to hear what McCarthy herself has to say on the issue but I doubt anything will be said anytime soon if her case was forwarded to DoJ for possible legal action. We are going to have to wait for a disposition of that investigation, one way or the other, to hear anything.

But maybe I am wrong.

From Sunday's Washington Post:

A majority of CIA officers would probably "find the action taken [against McCarthy] correct," said a former senior intelligence official who said he had discussed the matter with former colleagues in the past day. "A small number might support her, but the ethic of the business is not to" leak, and instead to express one's dissenting views through internal grievance channels.

The CIA said in a statement last week that omitted McCarthy's name that the officer was fired for discussing operational intelligence matters with journalists. Officials have said the journalists included Washington Post correspondent Dana Priest, who last week was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for national security reporting that included the revelation of secret, CIA-run prisons for suspected terrorists in Eastern Europe and elsewhere.

The Post withheld the names of the countries from its account at the administration's request. The article attributed its information to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents.

CIA officials, without confirming the information in the article, have said the disclosure harmed the agency's relations with unspecified foreign intelligence services. "The consequences of this leak were more serious than other leaks," said a former intelligence official in touch with senior agency officials. "That's what inspired this [firing]." Others pointed out that the information in question was known by so few people that the number of suspected leakers was fairly small, enabling investigators to work swiftly.

So it looks like the names of the countries might have also come from McCarthy. If that is the case, then I would want to know why Priest mentioned McCarthy's office of employment within the agency so many times in her articles. Let's connect THOSE dots. Washington Post has information that includes names of countries that worked with us concerning high value prisoners. Very few people know the entire list of countries. The articles repeatedly mention the Inspector General's office. One of those people that knows all those countries is in the IG's office. Where do I start polygraphing people?

McCarthy would have known that the list of countries would have been highly damaging, not only to us, but to those countries as well. So now I am torn, and quite sad.

Another similarity between Mary McCarthy and Joe Wilson is that both are experts on the African country GHANA.

McCarthy wrote a book on Ghana.

Wilson was US Ambassador to Ghana.

Whatcha Ghana do
When they come for you
Bad boys, bad boys

Charles,

Sandy Berger was a Kerry campaign advisor until he was forced to quite after getting caught stealing classified documents from the National Archives.

Joe Wilson was a Kerry campaign advisor until he was forced to quit after being revealed as a liar by the Senate Intelligence Committee released its report about Iraq's WMD program.

Mary McCarthy was hired by Sandy Berger and served with Joe Wilson.

Without any hyperbole at all, what we are looking at here is nothing less than an attempted coup d'etat by rogue elements of the CIA and the Kerry campaign during wartime.

CIA Leak, Mary
McCarthy Link Roundup

C'mon, it's not a sting.
Look at how long ago this happened, and they are just now giving her a polygraph and using it to fire her?

oh ho ho ho!

the evil plot thickens. But alas, will democrats who have been caught with their pants down ever have to face the music? nah - democrats are above the law!

I can't wait to see where this nasty strain of Democrat treason ends.

Just like clockwork, this mornings fishwrap has the NYT Colleagues Support Ousted CIA Officer on page 19. No, nothing to see here, let's move on.

This is a total gift for Rove and company, and if they don't play it for maximum advantage then something is seriously wrong. Even now we have career partisan dimbulb Leon Panetta on FNS reincarnating the Dhimmi Carter perception of malaise.

#17 - joewilson, I have some questions for you:

Joseph Wilson:
Quote:
"Given the structure of the consortiums that operated the mines, it would be exceedingly difficult for Niger to transfer uranium to Iraq. Niger's uranium business consists of two mines, Somair and Cominak, which are run by French, Spanish, Japanese, German and Nigerian interests. If the government wanted to remove uranium from a mine, it would have to notify the consortium, which in turn is strictly monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency."
[Link: www.commondreams.org...]

However, according to an AP report from 09/22/03:

Quote:
"A U.N. nuclear agency team plans to visit Niger in the coming months, hoping to speed government approval of an agreement that would permit in-depth monitoring of uranium exports, the Associated Press learned.

Without this safeguards agreement, the International Atomic Energy Agency can't require Niger to tighten security and has no authority to inspect shipments."
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]
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So, Joe, tell me, why is it in all the talk shows you have been on, and in all the articles, op-eds, etc., YOU NEVER ONCE MENTIONED THIS? Could it possibly be that you needed to collect all the paychecks for the talk shows, and provide a means to sell your book? Tell the truth Joey.

neverquit (#189),

Ask joewilson how many tons of Nigerian yellowcake the UN inspectors were keeping an eye on under lock and key in Iraq.

Deliciously incestous.
I don't think the op was neccessarily a sting.
Provisions for those kinds of detention facilities in wartime are docmented in CIA policy.
She could have just leaked the classified docs to feed the rumor mill.

Priest's story was what, a year ago?
DoJ should be getting within 3 or 4 months of busting the Risen/NYT little clot of CIA leakertraiters.
sweet. ;)

Looks like our almost Leaker In Chief John F ing Skary thinks its okay to leak if its "leaking the truth". Of course he says they should be punished to.

So its a good thing to leak if its the truth, but you should be punished a little bit since its against the law.

I love liberals. Their morals and patriotism are as solid as the inside of a jelly donut.

[Link: www.drudgereport.com...]

I must admit, I had pretty much brushed off talk that the McCarthy bust might have been the result of an elaborate sting operation executed by Mr. Goss; but the more I contemplate the possibilities, I'm not so sure it isn't.

And wouldn't that be a rather delicious coup d'tat for Mr. Goss AND the Bush administration?

Not to mention more EGG on the FACES of the MSM? Their most prized of all awards - exposed as a hoax!

either way, regardless of an organized 'conspiracy'...

the Democrat insanity must be rebuked this fall...

frustrations on Conservative agenda noted, but the opposition is clearly working to undermine the security of the American People, enabling the monstrous threats we face...