How is it libelous to point someone who he is and obvious at that?

This is a typical stunt of the Islamists. They hope to scare the honest people into silence by forcing them to pay a lawyer. Of course, perhaps a countersuit (as happened with CAIR) forcing them to pay the expenses of their victims will prevent them from succeeding in imposing dhimmi status on the free world.

Sabba Hillel

Criminal Druggy Liar Source of 35 MSM ROVE Indictment False story

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

The claim that President Bush's top political strategist had been indicted in the CIA leak investigation was written by a journalist who has battled drug addiction and mental illness and been convicted of grand larceny. That didn't stop more than 35 reporters -- from all the major newspapers, networks and newsmagazines -- from calling Luskin or Rove's spokesman, Mark Corallo, to check it out.

The reports appeared on the liberal Web site Truthout.org, run by Marc Ash, a former advertising man and fashion photographer in California. Jason Leopold, the author of the stories, directed inquiries to Ash, who says that "we stand by the story. We have multiple points of independent confirmation of what we originally reported. Our problem is, the prosecutor's office is under no obligation to go public."

Leopold acknowledges in a new book, "News Junkie," that he is a past liar, convicted felon and former alcoholic and cocaine addict. An earlier version of the book was canceled by publisher Rowman & Littlefield last year.

Salon retracted a 2002 piece by Leopold involving then-Army Secretary Thomas White. Salon apologized, saying it had been unable to confirm the authenticity of an e-mail that Leopold attributed to White. Leopold, a onetime reporter for the Los Angeles Times and Dow Jones, accused the online magazine of being "wimpy" and caving to pressure.

Note to Pro-Bush Canuck

Can you counter sue to recover damages due to a frivolous lawsuit?

Also, if you need contributions for a defense fund, let me know. I'll be happy to kick some $$ your way.

I'm effing tired of Islamists using Western law against people they'd have no trouble stripping of rights as soon as they got control.

Let us know how we can help, Pro-Bush Canuck.

I'd be more than happy to donate to Pro-Bush Canuck lawyers fees.

Huh? Everyone knows that Islam is a peaceful religion, matter of fact it even means peace, so how can being in favour of such a peaceful religion be a bad thing?

As a fellow Canuck, I offer my support, FWIW.

I live in Toronto and know what drek the Star publishes. My best wishes go out to you Pro-Bush Canuck!

#4 Darleen
Here, here!

Islamists in the West using the West to Wage Jihad on what they hope are Sensitive Fearful Westerners

The Rape Jihad in the Western world

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

perhaps a letter writing campaign to the Star is in order

how can a journalist, of all people, sue a person fro posting a comment to a blog?

is this really the extent of PBC's crime? am I missing something?

sued for a blog comment?

How can one sue a "nic"?

I presume Siddiqui knows "Pro-Bush Canuck"'s real name?

(Or else Canadian law is rather different, eh?)

Let us know how we can help, Pro-Bush Canuck.

Yes, please.

Interesting. We have lawyers here, maybe they can clarify this. As I understand it, in the UK, he'd have to prove that saying he had an Islamist agenda had cost him money. So he has to prove that having an Islamist agenda is a bad thing and likely to be so unpopular with the people of Toronto that it had affected newspaper sales. He also has to prove that Pro Bush Canuck's comments have directly affected those sales. Have I got that right?

Thanks #3 mglazer,

I think I will sue.

Not.

Good luck Pro-Bush Canuck.

Oh, I see, Siddiqui sent PBC a harassing email threatening a suit.

(Wonder if Mr. Siddiqui has any sock puppets in his closet?)

Go, pro-Bush Canuck!

Go, Pro-Bush Canuk~

Never Forget.

Ye shall know them by their fruits.

Would PBC care to post the content of the email, and/or headers?

Siddiqui is using the usual CAIR/CAIR-Can "threaten 'em with lawsuits" crap. Bring it on, Haroon. The jihadis haven't had much luck with their lawsuits as of late.

Pro-Bush Canuck --

If you do find yourself hit with a suit, don't hesitate to put up a web page with a Paypal donations link for a legal defense fund.

I'm sure a lot of people here, myself included, would be only too happy to contribute.

It's impossible to sue a nic and LGF is subject to American law and not Canadian law.

Let the bastard try and sue in the USA!

#20

The best thing that could happen to PBC would be for CAIR-Can to join in the suit. That way nothing will happen for sure.

I have been exchanging emails with Haroon the Islamist since last night...indeed..bring it on...nothing better then to drag the lies of Islam into the public spotlight...

PBC needs our full support and that includes monetary support also...

Don't back down from this lying scumbag...his ilk is an enemy to all freedom loving people in the West!

Pro-Bush Canuck,

Did he say where he wants to sue you? What a jerk!

Law Suits are the new Fatwa.

Perhaps the most loyal and quickest-to-action blognest has been poked with a stick.

Watch out Siddiqui! You're about to get stung.

@21 flipflop

Before he jumps out there soliciting funds, he should check canadian laws about solicitation on the internet to be sure what he is doing is legit. Just as here, you have to be registered with the federal government to set up a website to solicit funds, else you could see yourself getting a knock on the door.

If Haroon is going to start suing people on those grounds, he's going to be a very busy Islamist-agenda guy - and will thereby prove Pro-Bush-Canuk right.

Folks, we may be witnessing another verdonk moment.

Nolo Carborundum Illigitinum

Don't let the Islamist bastards get you down!

I agree with #21 Flipflop. If that sorry bag of feces sues you, we're on your side with cash.

#28 quark2

What registration is required? What about all those blogs (including LGF) that have a "tip jar" link?

Maybe Charles can comment on what type of registration is required?

Obviously, I don't want to see PBC get into any kind of trouble...I just figure that's one of the easiest ways to raise some cash from some sympathetic readers if needed.

OT -

If Israel carries out Olmert's convergence consolidation surrender suicide plan.

#31 flipflop
Relax. The jerk is bluffing. He's the one with the newspaper. If he wanted the world to know he doesn't have an Islamist agenda, he can write all about it in that. If some Jihadis then take offence and come round to saw his head off then all the better. He's a prisoner of his own bullsh*t.

I am betting that "threatening" a lawsuit is as far as this goes. Lawsuits open up the plaintiff to reciprical "discovery" (at least here in the U.S.).

Since "truth" is an absolute defense to a libel (or slander) lawsuit, any decent lawyer is going to use discovery to open up every closet full of skeletons and every hole full of spiders behind the islamists and that is something they simply cannot live with. This is why they backdown from real lawsuits.

What an opportunity this would present if they actually follow through!

New Headline:

Pathetic Toronto Star Islamist Sends Lame Email Threat

Pro-Bush Canuck:

I have a few good samples of Jihadist writing from Pakistan and northern India, as well as a Salafist outfit in Great Britain. If you need any documentary evidence, just let me know.

#33 bweep

You're probably right about the bluff, but Islamic organizations like CAIR have shown no hesitation to drop the lawsuit hammer. Even frivolous suits have a way of shutting people up when they don't have the money for their own defense.

Pro-Bush Canuck,

I think this is great, but better to keep quiet about your plans and strategies. Remember, you don't way to say anything that will tip your hand in any way. We should consider it inevitable that this thread is being read by the Siddiqui. Please keep that in mind.

Though I'm new here, I'd be willing to donate to the legal defense fund if things get to that point.

If this guy is a Ranger than I'm selling girls scout cookies!

Pro-Bush Canuck...i will gladley donate for your law fees.

oops...wrong thread.

We should consider it inevitable that this thread is being read by the Siddiqui.

Hey Siddiqui. I'm going to be there to hear you stand up in open court and say you don't want to be associated with Islamist filth. Let us know when you're going to be there so we can make sure MEMRI TV cover it. Better yet. If you really want to make your point. Why don't you publish the Mohammed cartoons?

Apologies in advance; I'm having a cotton-head day...

Pro-Bush Canuck is being sued over something he said here on LGF? Did I get that right?

if Siddiqui and his ilk are reading this:

May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your bedrooms

Siddiqui like all Islamists is mega-delusional and is huffing and puffing - Islamics do this all the time when anyone points out what evil losers they all are. Someone should point out to the pretentious buffoon Haroon what happened to Oscar Wilds when he took to the law courts!

There is an adage that goes: "When threatened, a man will use the weapon that he himself fears the most." (or something like that. you get the idea).

So it appears to me that Saddickie would probably wilt if he actually had to appear in court over this. These barbarians are all liars and bullies. Never stand down to them...they have nothing behind their words.

Count me on on the defense fund. I don't have much, but I'd be proud to help.

#44 littleoldlady

No, I think it was from private communications in email between the two of them.

What a Haroon!

Thanks, m. :-)

/I need a nap...!

Ah, the perks of being

Harangued by a Haroon

/movie to be announced

Oh dear...It seems I have another question: Did Pro-Bush Canuck publish those emails anywhere?

#53 littleoldlady
No. Not that I've seen.

Hello,

I am Pro-Bush canuck too. I am here to support you in Tdot. I know a lot of other people who would support you too.
I hate that Siddiqui, and the Daily Worker (Toronto Star).

J.D. Thanks.

Wait a minute...You mean to tell me that this guy wants to sue over something that somebody wrote to him in an email?!

BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!

Quick! Somebody email me and accuse me of being a dumb blonde. I need the money.

/yeah right.

Tornto Star should be asking Siddiqui to resign as he is destroying the credibility of this newspaper.

Count me in on the Legal support the day the action commences.

Islamic Fascists out!

Can a private e-mail exchange possibly be libelous? Doesn't the libel have to sort of be made public for others to hear before the guy can claim damages? Sort of if the tree falls in the forest and nobody is around, did it make a sound?

Anybody a lawyer?

#49 m

#44 littleoldlady

No, I think it was from private communications in email between the two of them.

Even stranger. How can you sue for liable or defamation over a private communication.
They must have some strange laws up there.

#59 javems

Good point. That was the way I understood it. If it was from a comment here, how they gonna sue a nic?

#59 javems,

The Ontario Superior Court of Justice has awarded $75,000 in general damages and $50,000 in aggravated damages in one of the largest Internet defamation damage awards in Canada. The defendant made defamatory remarks about the plaintiff, a prehistoric archaeologist, in an email that was widely circulated. The email referred to the plaintiff as a "grave robber" and urged readers to forward it to as many people as possible. Madam Justice Low found that the plaintiff acted with actual malice in circulating the email, which was defamatory and untrue, and that the use of email for this purpose was more powerful than sending out letters in the old-fashioned way.

For a copy of the case, visit:
[Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]

linky

I'm not a lawyer (but I play one on TV ;-). And I know nothing about Canadian law. either. But the above case indicates to me that you would have to do a lot more than receive an email you didn't like to actually have a case.

Must have touched a nerve...

This is a complete bluff, imho. Haroon is harrumphing nothing but air. I hope the publicity now ensuing from his pathetic, empty threat is vewy, vewy, humiwiating.

To quote an LGF revolving headline: "you know you're over the target when you start receiving flak."

You go, Pro-Bush Canuck. Demolish him (metaphorically).

We've collectively got your back, if need be, as you know.

Hey, fuckhat, sue this!

Haroon Siddiqui wrote an article (one of many) a few years ago blaming Israel for all the violence. I emailed him and pointed out that Arafat and the Palestinians had an awful lot to do with the violence and that they had not complied with the Oslo Accords. We sent a few emails back and forth and he accused me of playing the "blame game".

I replied: "But you BLAMED Israel!" It was a frustrating exchange.

Haroon Siddiqui is the main reason I don't read the Star.

Haroon Siddiqui you are a dissembler and a wretched little man.

@31 flipflop

Charles is not a non profit, this is part of his internet business. To set up a blog/website in the United States that is non profit has to be
registered with the United States government before it is activated. This effort to aid a poster with a lawsuit would be considered a non profit.
[Link: www.usdoj.gov...]

Pro Bush Canuck:

Make sure the folks over at Damian Penny's blog and Small Dead Animals know of this. That will really help stir the pot in Canada. And if anything comes of this, don't forget to get some kind of Paypal type link - there will be a lot of donations coming in (count me in). Haroon is a complete jackass.

[Link: www.damianpenny.com...]
[Link: www.smalldeadanimals.com...]

I sent the following to Haroon Siddiqui at the Toronto Star:

I understand you have threatened to sue a Canadian poster who stated he believes you have an agenda that favors Islamism.

You better sue me too, then, because I believe it too. I notice both you and the lovely and talentless Antonia Zerbisias do everything you can to further the ends of Islam in Canada and to pull down those who criticize the Islamists. Well, I don't want people like you speaking for my country. You are a hateful person who lives like the Islamists to threaten other Canadians and Americans.

The blogosphere knows who you two are and what you are about so don't think your threats will do any good or that people don't know what you are up to.

***, Toronto
foreign devil on the blogs.

P.S.: Tell Antonia I see she hasn't learned a thing since last we talked in 2002. She's still pushing the Islamist agenda. I'm surprised you don't have her in a burka, Haroon. You're slipping up there.

And By the Way, you aren't fit to wipe the dirt off Ayaan Hirsi Ali's sandals!

Though there have been successful prosecutions against Internet defamations, this doesn't rise to that level. For me or anyone to suspect Haroon Siddiqui or Antonia Zerbisias of serving an Islamist agenda is our own opinion and is not a statement of anything more than our personal opinion. You can't be sued for that. I can state I suspect you of murder. You can't sue me unless I say you DID COMMIT MURDER. TO MERELY SUSPECT SOMEONE is not good enough for prosecution. I'm ENTITLED TO MY OPINION!

And only by sharing our opinions in a public forum can we come to a consensus as we see others' experiences of this individual, about what we think is going on. Distributed intelligence brought to bear on an issue produces a consensus of opinion.

Ta da! So SUE ME HAROON! This is called a FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT and won't be welcomed in the already busy and crowded Canadian courts.

#39 Greg in Seattle.

What area of Seattle Greg?

#49 replying to #44 littleoldlady:

No, I think it was from private communications in email between the two of them.

Generally, you can't be sued for private libel or insults in Canada or other civilized Christian countries. But you can be _if_ you maliciously (intending to harm) share the libel with others, like on this blog. So, if they were just insulting each other via email, there's no problem. If one was maliciously lying about the other in public, that can be a problem. Except that Haroon is a "public figure" and is required to put up with a lot of public insults, criticism, etc. He's not required to accept published lies, tho.

So the question for the blog is: was the remark made in public? And was it a lie?

Smile, Instapundit has linked this thread.

As a fellow Canuck I will donate to any fund for PBC.

Check out the latest financials for Torstar Corp, the parent company of the Toronto Star and Harlequin books.

The paper is tanking and I believe jobs may be on the line at this sorry excuse for a newspaper.

Expect more blathering from the editorial idjits to raise their profile and save jobs and circulation in the irrelevent MSM.

The Globe and Mail seems to be in a similar predicament with fools like Jane Taber screaming from the roof tops about the evil Bush/Harper agenda.

The MSM are in trouble and they know it.

If you want to hurt Haroon and his band of thugs, be sure to boycott Harlequin books because that is where Torstar Corp. derives the bulk of its earnings that it uses to prop up fools like Zerbeastious and Haroon.

Pro-Bush Canuck,

Worst case scenario when the hypocrisy from the terrorists and socialists gets to thick; get your friends and your loved ones and pick any place in the good old U.S.

You're a better friend to America than most Americans I know. You'd be welcome anywhere this side of the border. Personally, if there were more like you, this war would have been over two years ago.

the parent company of the Toronto Star and Harlequin books.

Well, that explains a lot.

I haven't read any Harlequins in years; as I recall those improbable love stories were more believable than anything in the Star.

PBC, I'll gladly contribute to your defense.

And I fart in Siddiqui's precise direction - I've hated that schmuck for years.

Torstar is the Parent Company of The Toronto Star. Here is the parent company's ethical guidelines:

[Link: www.torstar.com...]

...The purpose of this Code is to ensure that Employees act honestly, responsibly, legally and ethically, both internally and externally, and in the best interests of Torstar. No Employee is to subvert Torstar’s interests to his or her own, nor should Employees use their positions at Torstar for unfair personal advantage. This Code of Business Conduct is a guide that is intended to sensitize Employees to significant legal and ethical issues that arise frequently, and to the mechanisms available to report illegal or unethical conduct...

Maybe Pro-Bush Canuck should send a copy of his communication to the Torstar legal department and ask them what part of this communication is actionable and could it not be construed that Mr. Siddiqui is using his position and notoriety with the Toronto Star to throw his weight around in an attempt to intimidate a reader who disagrees with him by threatening a lawsuit?

Pro Bush Canuck:

Just take a cue from Anti-CAIR and make him answer discovery questions that will EXPOSE him as having ties to the very thing you accuse him of.

Truth is the absolute defense.

[Link: www.anti-cair-net.org...]

I think it would behoove LGF posters to bring an action against Siddiqui for his anti-Israel hatred that to me seems like anti-semitism. After all, the only thing he had to say about Ahmadnejad's genocidal statements and Holocaust denial was that it was stupid -- and in the typical Islamist bent of Siddiqui probably meant it in the sense of by telling the truth about how he felt, Ahmadenijad made Siddiqui's velvet glove Islamism that much harder to pull off. Siddiqui's about to hoist himself on his own petard and it will be lovely to see the smirking fool's dismissal from the Star because of his ongoing hatred.

Pro-Bush Canuck,

Are you still on this thread?

I'd be more than happy to donate to Pro-Bush Canuck lawyers fees.

Me too!

Pro-Bush Canuck take the bull by horns and sue him and Torstar and for harassment. Better still see if you can find a US lawyer and sue them in a US court since Torstar no doubt has a US nexus.

PS for what it's worth I sent my $85 USD ( $100 CDN) to the Western Standard.

The Toronto Star SUCKS.

It is a useless rag, representing the very worst of Canadian leftist, anti-American, and anti-Israel crap. It is smug, and typically Canadian in that it celebrates the mediocre.

SUE US ALL!

Antonia SUCKS.

Si-dreqi SUCKS.
/You can quote me on that.

Pro-Bush Canuck-let me know if you need any help.

Must silence anyone whi opposes me...

/moonbat off

Tornto Star should be asking Siddiqui to resign as he is destroying the credibility of this newspaper.

Not to worry...
The pathetic Star has had no credibility for years !

most Jews i know have cancelled their subscriptions long ago and stopped advertising in that worthless rag.

OK, let's revisit Siddiqui's article in question; specifically, the latter part:

What (critics of Islamists) want is for Muslims to berate Muslims for being Muslim in a way not acceptable to America. Muslims must condemn “their culture of death,” as demonstrated in the Qur’an protests and in suicide bombings, lately in Iraq.

Sure. But as a recent study by Robert Pape, professor at the University of Chicago, has shown, suicide bombings are not the exclusive preserve of Muslims. The Tamil Tigers, who happen to be Hindu, have been the leading user of that dastardly weapon.

Yes...and a recent study by the Battelle Institute showed that all dinosaurs were probably purple because both Barney the Dinosaur and Dino of "Flintstones" fame are purple.

But seriously--let's get down to the crux of the biscuit, as the late, great Frank Zappa used to say: Harroon is essentially saying that the actions of Muslim suicide homicide bombers should somehow be excused by the West because...well, frankly because we don't cite the Hindu Tamil Tigers for the same damn thing--right?

Well, Siddiqui, you and Professor Bob Pape might give Muslims a pass because they aren't the only ones wreaking havoc with explosive vests, but you guys get back to me whenever those Hindu Tamil Tigers hijack four planes and murder thousands of innocents in one fell swoop, make countless snuff films of "infidels'" heads being sawn off, subjugate and mutilate their women, promise to preemptively wipe a non-aggressive country off the map, and plan to impose their fanatical religious laws on the rest of the world by force.

Let's see...kicks like a mule--check; walks like a mule--check; brays like a mule--check. Siddiqui, it all adds up: You're an ass, and a pro-Islamist one, to boot.

Joel T.

Pro-Bush Canuck,

Just a thought, but why don't you make a formal complaint to the Toronto Star asking them if it is their policy to permit their "editorial" writers to harrass their readership with threats of lawsuits. You may also suggest that you (with some help from your friends here, if you so desire), write a counter-editorial debating Haroon the Buffoon's points. You may also wish to let other news media outlets know of this threat - make it public - shame him into proceeding with this frivolous suit (and for dredging the Star's name in the mud in the process - he will lose his job). I, along with many here, will help with financial support (and other support, as needed).

Incidentally, for those who wish to leave their 2 cents:

hsiddiq@thestar.ca

Haroon Siddiqui is an apologist for the islamikazi terrorists that are wreaking havoc around the globe, and the reason he cites is simply that there are also the Tamil Tigers who do suicide bombings and they are not islamikazis. Well, two wrongs don't make a right. The Tamil Tigers are wrong for what they do. And so are the islamikazi terrorists who are the overwhelming majority of the world's terrorists at this time.

Haroon Siddiqui is an apologist for the suppression of women's rights in the Muslim world. He does this by bashing Aayan Hirsi Ali, by demonizing her, because her appeal for asylum in the Netherlands had inaccuracies about her personal history.
To Haroon Siddiqui, anybody who criticises Islam must be demonized, which is why he demonizes Hirsi Ali. The fact that Islam is suppressive of women's rights means nothing at all to Haroon Siddiqui, who pretends that this suppression doesn't exist.

Haroon Siddiqui is a supporter of Iran's quest for nuclear weapons, to carry out nuclear genocide against Israel. He supports leaving Iran to pursue its nuclear ambitions -- which is really the same as supporing Iran's quest for nuclear genocide.
Only a fool or a liar doesn't understand what Iran wants to do: get nuclear weapons, and use them to try to wipe Israel off the map. Haroon Siddiqui is a voice for Iran's evil plans.

Would love to see the actual email sent to Pro-Bush Canuck.

I, for one, would give $ to help Canuck. How bout the other 99,999 LGF'ers?

Leopold acknowledges in a new book, "News Junkie," that he is a past liar, convicted felon and former alcoholic and cocaine addict.

I'd love to subject the urine in the executive bathrooms of the MSM to the ol' Gas Chromatograph/Mass Spectrometer and see all the telltale drug peaks that occur. These people are demented from having burned their brains out on the LSD and cannabis and coke.

P-B C

Good for you! Saddiqi has been using his bully pulpit for ages to dissemniate the most disingenuous rubbish, all weak, Islam-is-a-religion-of-piece bollocks.

More usefully, attempt to have your defence (assuming Saddiqi pulls an Anti-CAIR boner) team bolstered by the Rev. Mark Durie. His brilliant witness statement in the Australian Catch the Fires Ministries case was astonishingly coherent:

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Unfortunately, the Australian mickey-mouse human rights "court" would not qualify him as an expert witness. But his witness statement is brilliant.

Don't expect Irshad Manji to offer anything beyond thin gruel- her TTWI was pathetically light, a real lost opportunity- virtually no Qur'anic excerpts and no ahadithic references at all. Better get Robert Spencer, Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Bruce Bawer to assist.

You may be certain that, in such an important anti-islamist case, funds will be made available for your defence. I'll contribute in a NY minute. I'm quite looking forward to Siddiqi suing you.

Mea culpa.

If Siddiqui is going to take the time to pump out his islamist, taqqiyah- and kitman-laden dissembling, I might better have the good graces to spell his surname correctly. I apologize. Saddiqui. Hmmm. Pakistani name. I wonder whether he is a Deobandist? Would be interesting to get this out in cross-examination on his affidavits.

And it's Haroon, correct? That is, his Christian given name?

I was remiss in not suggesting Dr. Pipes as a defence witness. I saw him speak last year at UofT- while no great orator, with his depth of knowledge of Islam, I reckon he'd have no difficulty in withstanding intense cross-examination. You'd want to throughly test with him his thesis of the "moderate Muslim" in advance of trial proceedings, though.