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Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 10:18:47 am PDT

Bravo to Tim Rutten at the Los Angeles Times for seeing the elephant in mainstream media’s living room: Lebanon photos: Take a closer look . (Hat tip: LGF readers.)

What the major news organizations ought to be doing is to make their own analysis of the images coming out of Lebanon and if, as seems more than likely, they find widespread malfeasance, some hard questions need to be asked about why it occurred. Some of it may stem from the urge every photographer feels to make a photo perfect. Some of it probably flows from a simple economic imperative — a freelancer who produces dramatic images gets picked up more and paid more. Moreover, the obscenely anti-Israeli tenor of most of the European and world press means there’s an eager market for pictures of dead Lebanese babies.

It’s worth noting in this context that there is no similar flow of propagandistic images coming from the Israeli side of the border. That’s because one side — the democratically elected government of Israel — views death as a tragedy and the other — the Iranian financed terrorist organization Hezbollah — sees it as an opportunity. In this case, turning their own dead children into material creates an opportunity to cloud the fact that every Lebanese casualty, tragic as he or she is, was killed or injured as an unavoidable consequence of Israel’s pursuit of terrorists who use their own people as human shields. Every Israeli civilian killed or injured was the victim of a terrorist attack intended to harm civilians. That alone ought to wash away any blood-stained suggestion of moral equivalency.

That brings us to the most troubling of the possible explanations for these fraudulent photos, which is that some of the photojournalists involved are either intimidated by or sympathetic to the Hezbollah terrorists. It’s a possibility fraught with harsh implications, but it needs to be examined thoroughly and openly.

Johnson and his colleagues have done the serious news media a service. Failure to follow up on it would be worse than churlish; it would be irresponsible.

If you aren’t registered at the LA Times (and don’t want to be), following the link from this Google News search should bypass their registration: ‘Lebanon photos: Take a closer look’ - Google News.

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1 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:20:30am

First the LA Weekly, now the LA Times? Must be something in the water.

2 J.D.  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:22:27am
THE controversy this week over Reuters' distribution of digitally manipulated, falsely labeled and — probably — staged photos of the fighting in Lebanon hasn't been nearly as large as it should have been.

Credit for bringing the sordid business to light goes to Charles Johnson, a musician and Los Angeles-based blogger, who operates a hard-edged right wing website unfathomably called Little Green Footballs. ...


So...this means...we're not a bunch of scruffy no-names any more!

3 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:22:30am

Has this article (or any other like it) appeared in the print edition?

4 Midwest  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:23:27am

It appears that some in the MSM get it.

5 Live4Truth  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:25:16am

Why is it that on the LA Times web page for this article, it comes under the heading of "Entertainment News"?

6 The Albatross  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:25:31am

Refreshing to see an American journalist report on this rather than dis the source. Seek and destroy disinformation where ever you find it, I implore you.

7 Ringo the Gringo  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:26:24am
Charles Johnson, a musician and Los Angeles-based blogger, who operates a hard-edged right wing website unfathomably called Little Green Footballs.

What's so unfathomable about it?

8 J.D.  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:26:42am

It takes a lot of guts to do what you do, Charles, and I commend you for it most sincerely.

9 mkultra  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:26:47am

Is this not the pure meaning behind the saying "the Media is the Message"?

Marshall McLuhan

10 tazzerman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:27:50am

Unfortunatly, I don't believe we'll get any traction. The left and anti-Israel groups are far too entrenched. Maybe some open-minded, fence sitters will see and understand but I remain pesimistic.

And of course

Johnson and his colleagues have done the serious news media a service. Failure to follow up on it would be worse than churlish; it would be irresponsible

irresponsbile? The MSM.. Say it ain't so?

/off

11 Judith  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:28:05am

"unfathomably" I like it but is that even a real word?

12 blueroom127  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:28:08am

Charles is really doing amazing work and I truly hope that people will be intelligent enough accept the truths that they don't want to know.

13 scorpio  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:29:50am

This is good. I remember Bill O'Reilly saying when Michelle was on discussing this "Why does it matter?" I don't know if he just wanted Michelle to elaborate or if he really questioned its importance.

Kirsten Powers was on and her only response was "They fired the person", end of story.

I say, beginning of story. And it wouldn't be a story at all if it weren't for Charles the unfathomable.

14 mkultra  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:30:39am

yes now that we all have seen you we can call you Pony Tail man...Bwahhahahha. That is your CIA ZOG code name now. Pony Tail man.

Seriously look into getting a concealed carry if that is possible in CALI. without being Sean Penn. You live in a socialist state controlled by an Egomaniac Strongman. Think about it.

15 mossley  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:30:52am

Call me a cynic, but I see this as a reporter finally realizing that his paycheck is in danger. Circulation figures for almost all the major papers are dropping steadily, and this scandal is only going to fuel the public's awareness of how unreliable the MSM are.

Still, have to give him credit for noticing and commenting on the big, smelly gorilla in the corner.

16 Thor-Zone  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:30:59am
The controversy this week over Reuters' distribution of digitally manipulated, falsely labeled and — probably — staged photos of the fighting in Lebanon hasn't been nearly as large as it should have been.

Did I read that correctly?

OK what happened to the real LA Times? Would someone please put it back?

17 RedPepper  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:32:47am

Charles, thank you for the alternate (Google) link.

Not that I'm in love with Google, mind you, but ...

the LA Times?

I wouldn't piss on 'em if they were on fire ...

18 mkultra  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:33:16am

Server response returning to Normal Captain! did you have to do anything or is the traffic just slaking a bit from how it was during the week?

19 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:35:02am

"Johnson and his colleagues have done the serious news media a service."

More than that !

A service to the survival of civilization over barbarisim.

20 nuke gingrich  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:35:04am

More photo news from Lebanon:

Apparently, there's a lot of buzz in Beirut concerning a new inscription on the hizballah flag, on display during the most recent tv appearance by Nasrallah.


link

21 Thor-Zone  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:35:12am

Al-Reuters sez

...the Reuters editor responsible for standards and ethics, told the New York Times that all the withdrawn images were being reviewed "to see if any others have been improperly altered." He also said the news agency was investigating how the photos slipped by its editors but noted that on the day in question...

I say...

BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANTED TO PUBLISH!

/shouting mode off

22 scorpio  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:35:42am

#11 Judith

from Dictionary.com

No entry found for unfathomably.

23 ThomasTheConfessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:37:11am

The LA Times? What is going on?

It is a start but the west will be saved only when the NYT, PBS, & the BBC run a headline like this:

Death to Terrorists!
Death to the Koran!
Death to Jihad!
Death to Dhimmitude!
Death to Sharia!

Dreaming in AK

24 Thanos  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:37:32am

Wow- this is impressive for the LAT...

Also someone in earlier thread brought up Gunter Grass (The Tin Drum) and his hitler-youth Waffen SS past, here's my take on it.

25 grayp  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:38:10am

Charles has done great work. Someone else who is kicking ass and taking names is Richard North of EU Referendum. He's going after AP and the Qana story loaded for bear and literally calling AP a liar. And manages to credit LGF in the bargain.


It is apt that an organisation that has become a purveyor of lies should respond to that charge by producing yet more lies. And that is precisely what Associated Press have done today, in their faux eulogy of "Green Helmet", picked up by Little Green Footballs, amongst others

The corruption of the media.

26 Darwin Akbar  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:38:27am

Another Pigs Fly moment - a positive article about LGF and media manipulation by the jihadis, from the LA Times.

Of course, it's the Saturday edition, which nobody reads.

No doubt, tomorrow, they'll be more op-eds by Arab leaders condemning Israel.

Anyway, I don't know if this has already been posted, but it appears that the AP photogs caught the Reuters photogs arriving on the scene with a suitcase full of new toys to use in staring their "sad toy amidst the destruction by the Evil Jews" photos:

[Link: www.solomonia.com...]


...and will Reuters or any of the other dhimmi organizations that disseminated or published these photos say a word about them?

27 Thor-Zone  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:39:13am

#5 Live4Truth

Why is it that on the LA Times web page for this article, it comes under the heading of "Entertainment News"?

Now I feel much better...The MSM just thinks of issues like this as "Entertainment". I can go back to my regular life now.

/earth back on it's axis

28 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:39:25am
Make what you will of the analysis, much of which is feverish, sneering and tending toward the mechanistically conspiratorial.

*snicker*

29 mich-again  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:39:43am

Worse than churlish? Man I would think calling it just churlish would be strong enough! But worse than churlish? Wow.

Good on Tim Rutten and the LA Times for the dose of anti-idiotarianism. Hopefully Nick Nolte, Babs, Charlie Sheen, Alec Baldwin and Sean Penn all took the time to read that this morning. And it ruined their day.

30 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:40:05am

No. 23 ThomasTheConfessor

Yes, and don't forget "Pacifica Radio" and that "Amy Goodman" person, Lord Haw-Haw and Tokyo Rose rolled into one.

31 friarstale  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:40:06am

actually, I am Tim Rutten

(as in "I am Spartacus!")

Let's see if any more Tim Ruttens speak truth to Petrol Dollar Power

how many lizardoids are in a position to be a Tim Rutten?

32 Thanos  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:40:50am

The other part of this I was wondering, I know the blogswarm has hit green helmet guy, and Adnan's photos, but did they go back and look for the past works of Tyler Hicks?

33 attaboid  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:40:54am

Judith @11

"unfathomably" = no bottom?

34 RedPepper  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:41:24am

#22 scorpio: Here.

[Link: www.onelook.com...]

35 The Albatross  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:42:06am

Reuters caught again wagging the dog? An article published by Reuters the 10th, is disected by Dogfightatbankstown.

[Link: dogfightatbankstown.typepad.com...]

36 orangutan  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:43:06am

Well, Rutten is shedding a little MSM light on the one-sided-ness of the Fuaxtography, and question MSM inlets of this data, good.

He makes his report "fair and balanced" in the eyes of the MSM by calling Charles and this Blog "hard-edged" and "right-wing".

I mean, if you do one thing right and even-handed, you surely must do something else wrong to land your stuff in a NY Times outlet, one would suppose.

37 sammysdad  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:43:16am

Tim Rutten is so fired...

38 Spiny Norman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:45:39am

#5 Live4Truth

Why is it that on the LA Times web page for this article, it comes under the heading of "Entertainment News"?

Because it's Media-related and they didn't know where else to put it. It's not exactly "Breaking Front Page News".

/sarc

To be scrupulously fair, the article IS an analysis/opinion piece.

Not that opinion columns pretending to be news are not a common Front Page feature...

39 Pooh  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:45:51am
the obscenely anti-Israeli tenor of most of the European and world press means there's an eager market for pictures of dead Lebanese babies.
40 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:46:01am

No. 36 Orangutan

"...by calling Charles and this Blog "hard-edged"

O.K. by me, a soft edge won't win in this conflict.

41 scorpio  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:46:10am

#34 RedPepper,

Thanks

But Charles, did you really put the toilet next to the kitchen?

42 ThomasTheConfessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:46:58am

Johnson and his colleagues have done the serious news media a service. Failure to follow up on it would be worse than churlish; it would be irresponsible.

Well Glory

43 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:49:22am
Many, including grisly images from the Qana tragedy, clearly are posed for maximum dramatic effect. There is an entire series of photos of children's stuffed toys poised atop mounds of rubble. All are miraculously pristinely clean and apparently untouched by the devastation they purportedly survived. (Reuters might want to check its freelancers' expenses for unexplained Toys R Us purchases.) (emphasis added)

Heh™.

44 citizenright  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:50:41am

Why would anyone believe anything these barbarians would say from now on?

45 hershel  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:50:56am

Just how did this dose of unvarnished truth get printed (or even on the website) in the LA Times? He's *really* off-message, you know.

46 KevinV  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:51:58am

I almost can't believe it, but I think people are really starting to wake up to the enemy and who he is.

I think the fight-back is just getting started and when it is all over, you won't find too many Muslims strutting around and doing the monkey-fist-pump.

47 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:52:06am

No. 41 scorpio

Did you know that the UBC (building code) prohibits having a bathroom with a door opening into a kitchen?

However it does not prohibit putting a toilet actually in a kitchen, because so far no one has been crazy enough to try that.

islam is the toilet in the kitchen vis a vis the 1st amendment protection of "religion" in the USA.

(I'm an architect)

48 The Albatross  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:52:42am
32 Thanos 8/12/2006 10:40AM PDT
The other part of this I was wondering, I know the blogswarm has hit green helmet guy, and Adnan's photos, but did they go back and look for the past works of Tyler Hicks?

My exact sentiments... I was surprised his name was dropped so quickly. Has he been found to be legit or isn't there enough available to investigate it?

49 brenda  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:53:33am

Yes, yes, very nice of la Times to see the truth in front of their eyeballs.

Next, let's hear a repudiation of their open-borders agenda. There is NO newspaper that is more illegal immigration friendly.

50 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:53:55am
That brings us to the most troubling of the possible explanations for these fraudulent photos, which is that some of the photojournalists involved are either intimidated by or sympathetic to the Hezbollah terrorists. It's a possibility fraught with harsh implications, but it needs to be examined thoroughly and openly.

More troubling than the "possible explanations for these fraudulent photos" is the possible explanations for why they were published in the first place.

51 Thanos  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:55:08am
32 Thanos 8/12/2006 10:40AM PDT
The other part of this I was wondering, I know the blogswarm has hit green helmet guy, and Adnan's photos, but did they go back and look for the past works of Tyler Hicks?


My exact sentiments... I was surprised his name was dropped so quickly. Has he been found to be legit or isn't there enough available to investigate it?

I honestly don't know... let's go look -- scavenger hunt!

52 pragmatist  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:55:42am

Exactly.

And when the MSM trumpets the results
of this war as a decisive victory for
Hezbollah - simply because they weren't
completely destroyed - don't you believe
a word of that falsehood either.


Pragmatist

53 stiknstein  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:55:44am

A reasonable, obvious, and well deserved asessment from the MSM...
But, here's the line I like:
Johnson and his colleagues have done the serious news media a service. Failure to follow up on it would be worse than churlish; it would be irresponsible...

Seems to me LGF(as well as other hard working Bloggers) deserve more acknowledgement than a pat on the head from the REALLY "serious journalists."

Seems like a bit of a Diss to stiknstein.
However, there will come a time...

54 Ellen  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:57:37am

Charles when you go bike riding, be very very careful. There's a lot of evilness out there and we wouldn't want anything to happen to the great lizard himself.

55 6patrick6  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:57:50am

#5 live4truth

Maybe the Entertainment Editor was asleep and it slipped by him. I noticed that, too, as the very first thing my eyes came upon. Interesting; "entertainment", indeed.

There ARE plenty of actors in Paliwood, maybe it is intentional? Maybe just irony.

56 dead sea squirrel  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:59:04am
57 mj  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 8:59:47am

Anyone notice that this piece appeared in the
Entertainment News section?

Of course, being LA it will probably attract more readers in the Entertainment news section than in International news section.

58 Thanos  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:00:02am

This is probably nothing, but note the shadows of multiple photographer heads, possibly staged?

59 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:00:20am

#56 Dead Sea Squirrel

Indubitably...

60 Geepers  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:02:01am

Keeping it all in the family:

The Dahers of Marjayoun

Salam Daher, better known as Green Helmet.

AP photographer Lutfallah Daher was said to be fleeing his hometown, Marjayoun

"The night sky suddenly lit and we heard an explosion toward the leading cars of the convoy. I first thought it was a blown tire," said Reuters reporter Karamallah Daher, who was in the convoy.

61 scorpio  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:03:15am

#47 Ojoe

I appreciate the feedback. You stopped me from making costly mistake. I guess the bathroom will have to stay out back for the time being.

As for Islam, I guess they found the loop-hole in the building code. It's time to flush the toilet.

62 RedPepper  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:03:35am

#47 Ojoe: "Did you know that the UBC (building code) prohibits having a bathroom with a door opening into a kitchen?"

Another stellar example of "I'm from Your Government and I'm here to Help You!"

Does that mean your hands auto-clean themselves if you walk an extra 20 feet? Does the act of cooking supress the urge to go potty? WTF ?!?

63 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:05:23am

No. 61
Scorpio


I think that the crescent on the outhouse door is an ancient calculated insult to islam but I 've neveer been able to prove it.

Out for now.

64 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:07:32am

#47 Ojoe

Did you know that the UBC (building code) prohibits having a bathroom with a door opening into a kitchen?

This could be why...

I imagine nobody is nasty enough to actually put a toilet in the kitchen...

65 wintercat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:08:43am

#2 J.D.

So...this means...we're not a bunch of scruffy no-names any more!

True.

But, there's still this:

Make what you will of the analysis, much of which is feverish, sneering and tending toward the mechanistically conspiratorial.

66 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:09:27am

Attn Techies;
My C drive is screaming (literaly) and is going to die soon. Is there a shareware program out there that will allow me to gohst my C drive?

68 So?  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:11:41am

"He also said the news agency was investigating how the photos slipped by its editors but noted that on the day in question, "we published 2,000 photos. It was handled by someone on a very busy day at a more junior level than we would wish for in ideal circumstances."

When will somebody in this world take responsibility for their actions. All I ever hear are excuses, excuses, more excuse and blame! No wonder "shame" rhymes with blame.

69 antisocial_ist  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:13:09am

What I find so interesting is that for so long the focus has been on malfeasance by reporters - Jayson Blair, et al.

Now it's the photojournalists' turn, and every image back to the birth of Photoshop is suspect.

What is needed in journalism is an impartial organization of ombudsmen, highly trained in detecting Photoshop artifacts.

The first big controversy I can remember over this was the Time Magazine cover back in '94-ish when O.J. Simpson the slash-murderer was arrested. The photographer Photoshopped his face to make him look darker and more menacing.

Intent is the huge issue. I find it legitimate to lighten or otherwise fix an image or face because lighting conditions, such as backlighting, ruined a newsworthy photo.

I have done this myself when processing a group photo that sncluded light-skinned people and dark-skinned people. Without Photoshop, if you set the photo so the light skin looks good, you can't make out the dark-skinned features. If you set it for the dark skin, the light skin is overexposed. So I have selectively lightened up dark-skinned faces so that in a group photo, you can see everyone's face.

This is a legitimate use of photoshop.

The ombudsmen need to draw a strict set of rules that differentiates between legitimate and fraudulent use of Photoshop.

70 Geepers  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:13:13am

christheprofessor (#64),

Kitchens have been proven to be far more contaminated than bathrooms.

The UBC code is from a day when sewer gases (read methane) and open flames were a very real and very dangerous problem.

71 The Albatross  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:15:27am

Is Daher a common name?

Messing around with technorati has bagged me two other Dalhers... both photojournalists for Reuters...Karamallah Daher and Lotfallah Daher.

Lucked into this link of photos and found both with the same last name as Green Helmet.

Gotta be a coincidence right?

(Caution Annie is a fruit loop... LLL Alert)

[Link: annies-letters.blogspot.com...]

72 Reluctant Democrat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:15:29am

While the mainstream media chews on glorious scoops of the past, the blogs are reinventing the future.

Kudos to the true investigative reporter in town, Charles Johnson.

73 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:15:41am

How is it they managed a whole piece without going their masters at CAIR for rebuttal?

They didn't even call Charles notoriously dilettantish.

74 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:17:51am

#70 Geepers

I knew that kitchens were pretty nasty (Unca Cece even mentions it in the linked page)...

Didn't know the historical context of the methane gas/open flame issue, though... Thanks!

75 The Albatross  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:17:53am

oops... someone had the scoop and a better source than my link to a bunch of photos...

Sorry Lizards.

76 arf  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:18:27am

Also remember, if you don't want to register with these sites like the LA Times:

[Link: www.bugmenot.com...]

77 humanity  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:19:41am

#23 ThomasTheConfessor

Cool down man... Question of Your answer lies in reverse physcology... it seems that you are feeling like me... screwed UP with this Islamic (can't use this word, due to media rules in india...) mentality ... which has gone beyond limits now... extending there sharia shit rules from human till goat...

78 McJenny50  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:20:19am

# 63 Ojoe

There have been many funny things written in LGF and this is one of them!

79 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:21:09am
80 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:23:14am
81 The Albatross  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:25:46am

Ohhh! I love the smell of complicity in the morning. Methinks we might have the tiger by the tail again... Lizards? Prepare for an onslaught of Reuters hits. (and keep digging)

82 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:27:32am

Finally some truth. Bravo, Tim Rutten.

I'm so over the lazy, arrogant, liberal, if it bleeds-it-leads, anti-American/Anti-Israel MSM.

83 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:29:03am
84 scorpio  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:29:39am

#68 So?

When will somebody in this world take responsibility for their actions. All I ever hear are excuses, excuses, more excuse and blame! No wonder "shame" rhymes with blame.

My thoughts exactly. If Reuters did not have the proper staff in place, they should not have run the photos. Apparently they were aware they had people at a more "junior level" than was ideal, why did they allow them to do a job they weren't qualified to do?

That's a rhetorical question.

85 Geepers  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:29:57am

The Albatross (#75),

No need to apologize at all. Especially when you noticed the same "coincidence". The more evidence the better.

And thanks for the link in #71 to the photos.

86 The Albatross  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:30:29am

Reuters quoted another Daher, yesterday. This one is Rana she is also in Marjayoun

[Link: in.today.reuters.com...]

87 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:31:17am
88 alkmyst  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:31:33am

CHARLES:

I know it's no big thing, but...

Israel Channel 2 just ran a story about YOU, LGF, Powerline, EUReferendum, and all the great work that has been done by bloggers to bring downthe myth of unbiased Retuers reporting.

What a great start to the week!

89 mich-again  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:31:50am

Ah the staged photos just keep rolling in. Check out picture 1 of 12 "Dusty Book" from AFP's collection today. link

Odd how all the falling debris landed on one side of the Koran while the other side stayed nice and clean.

90 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:32:08am

Truly a Flying Pig Moment for the LA Times, Maybe they can rent the wings to the NY Tmies in the near future. Lets also watch how long Rutten lasts at the paper.

-S-

91 The Albatross  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:34:04am

Another named Mohammed Daher quoted from KFAR RUMMAN, Lebanon, Reuters published an article August 2nd:

[Link: www.alertnet.org...]


(basically I'm finding all these links because I googled "Daher Reuters")

92 Thanos  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:34:39am

Killgore, Start here. If you have a maxtor, or a seagate drive, then I would use their utilities.

warning: if you have done the windows update certification thing, I am not certain this will not cause you problems with windows cert on download of security bulletins.

The issue is getting the ssid to transfer, so you might want to look up a utility for that as well with a net search.

Remember the fine olds days when xcopy /s would do?

93 American Jewess in Jerusalem  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:35:15am

Charles, Judaism teaches that every person is put on this earth for a specific purpose, a purpose that only he/she can fulfil. But it appears that some people have more purpose than others -- keep up the good work, and Gd bless you, truly.

94 Thanos  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:37:44am

So far I am not finding smoking guns in Tyler Hicks work, as in photo shopping, however he does snap injured children, wailing women, and corpses quite a lot. At worse we might have some semi-staged moments that he could also be innocently unaware of.

95 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:38:48am

No. 93 AJJ

My Catholic mom told all her kids the same thing & it is one of the best thoughts I've ever had in my head.

Anyway my wife is Jewish and so are my kids.

Onward!

The Good will win!

96 humanity  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:38:56am

#81 The Albatross

Ohhh! I love the smell of complicity in the morning.

damm... ist stinking... either you have real problem with your stomach... or a arab is nearby... Bunglawala is that you from reuters gateway

97 NoSubmission  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:39:34am

#89 mich-again

hhaha! I guess he had to remove a little dust too!

This is a repost, but I thought I'd try my own hand at a little fauxtojournalism today. There was a film shoot in my neighborhood last night and they blew up a car, so this morning I thought I'd dabble in the art of FAKETOGRAPHY.

I apologize in advance for the disproportionate ridiculousness that went into the making of this slide show.

[Link: s97.photobucket.com...]

98 The Albatross  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:40:06am

Old (Sept 2005 but another Reuters/Daher connection) a photo album of a Salmoun Daher:

[Link: www.cmylebanon.com...]

Okay I got no special skills to sleuth anything if it is anything more than coincidence.

So as not to muck up the board, I'll leave off here. Pretty interesting we've got at least 5 Dahers all connected to Reuters in Lebanon with in just a couple of days.

99 Geepers  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:40:09am

The Albatross (#86),

From your link:

"We have no running water, no electricity, and we are running out of food. We have one bag of bread left," resident Rana Daher told Reuters by telephone.

No running water, no electricity, no food, but the phones still work.

This is getting pretty ridiculous.

100 humanity  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:43:08am

#99 Geepers

Tell reuters to give them Pizza hut and DHL numbers... they delivier everything, and Pizza hut has home delivery system

101 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:43:36am

Land line phones work on seperate power source from the voltage for motors and lights, etc. so the quote in 99 could be true.

102 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:44:42am
#90 Dr. Shalit

Truly a Flying Pig Moment for the LA Times, Maybe they can rent the wings to the NY Tmies in the near future. Lets also watch how long Rutten lasts at the paper.

Maybe some of these reporters have been fighting their own moral values for a while and have been afraid to bring it up. For that matter, maybe a few of these reporters see quite clearly that MSM is on a downhill slide and the butter might soon be all on the other side of the bread.

103 Blazer  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:45:26am

In print it is in the CALENDAR SECTION, which is entertainment as others have noted for the online edition.

It didn't make News nor Opinion, but Calendar. Maybe next time they can hide it in Food.

104 Thanos  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:45:46am

Hrmm PIMF

So far I am not finding smoking guns in Tyler Hicks work, as in photo shopping, however he does snap injured children, wailing women, and corpses quite a lot. At worse we might have some semi-staged moments that he could also be innocently unaware of.


insert "other" between not and smoking guns, we know about this one already.

105 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:46:41am
#99 Geepers 8/12/2006 11:40AM PDT


The Albatross (#86),

From your link:

"We have no running water, no electricity, and we are running out of food. We have one bag of bread left," resident Rana Daher told Reuters by telephone.

No running water, no electricity, no food, but the phones still work.

Not unusual. We have similar situations in New England every single winter.

106 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:46:43am

#101 Ojoe

Land line phones work on seperate power source from the voltage for motors and lights, etc. so the quote in 99 could be true.

Cell phones might still be operating, too. Or, y'know, they could have walked a few blocks to where everything is still working.

107 humanity  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:47:25am

#101 Ojoe

Land line phones work on seperate power source from the voltage for motors and lights, etc. so the quote in 99 could be true.

when the gasoline is leaking in see... power is down.. from where they are driving this Motor and lights...

I think Israel Military should bring this contact too down... as by this Hezbolla can contact Iran and syria

108 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:48:13am
109 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:48:13am

#92 Thanos

Remember the fine olds days when xcopy /s would do?


Ah, the good old days when life was simple. Thanks for the link, I'm desperate to avoid a clean OS re-install; on dialup it could takes days.
Wish me luck...

110 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:50:14am

Then they will have to send messengers on foot.

Ah, I've got to go get some work done.

111 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:50:41am

#103 Blazer

In print it is in the CALENDAR SECTION, which is entertainment as others have noted for the online edition.

It didn't make News nor Opinion, but Calendar. Maybe next time they can hide it in Food.

Why not, NYTimes is (in)famous for letting their theater critic Frank Rich yabber on about politics, previously in their entertainment section, though eventually they "promoted" his political work to the editorial section (didn't they? I seldom look at the paper NYTimes and can't see Rich, Friedman, Dowd, or K- online since they moved them behind the firewall, out of embarrassement, I suppose).

112 humanity  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:50:54am

#106 itellu3times

Cell phones might still be operating, too. Or, y'know, they could have walked a few blocks to where everything is still working.

i cant see any Cell phone tower... so virtually its impossible to make cell phones work in that Area... as Cell Broadcast tower should be highly raised to cover a cell... and you need operate with these towers mit limited power.. as high power could harm peoples around...

What so ever... a possibility is satellite Phone... but PHIZZZ need Battries

113 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:52:13am

Tired of Google?

Gizoogle it!

114 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:52:30am
#94 Thanos

So far I am not finding smoking guns in Tyler Hicks work, as in photo shopping, however he does snap injured children, wailing women, and corpses quite a lot. At worse we might have some semi-staged moments that he could also be innocently unaware of.

Having looked through thousands of photos from this conflict by various fauxtographers, my impression is that staged photoshoots & recycling of photos are far more common than outright fauxtographs.

115 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:55:03am

Heh. I Gizoogled LGF, and this is the result...

116 wintercat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:59:24am

#89
mich-again

How interesting. I would love to know the physics of how dust can land on only one page of the Koran leaving the other exposed. Luckily, it is exposed so we are SURE this is the Koran. It's quite heaped on in fact and the lack of the same thickness of dust on everything else in sight seems ... odd.

Strange, isn't it, the number of Korans that are being abused in this conflict. How disrespectful.

/yea, that

117 NoSubmission  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 9:59:29am

#114 galloping granny

Wasn't Tyler Hicks the faketographer who shot the 'Lebanese Pieta'? He had to have been there for the posing and very likely took several shots to get that very one.

118 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:02:31am
#117 NoSubmission

#114 galloping granny

Wasn't Tyler Hicks the faketographer who shot the 'Lebanese Pieta'? He had to have been there for the posing and very likely took several shots to get that very one.

I am not sure I know which photo you mean by Lebanese Pieta. Can you describe it?

119 so.cal.swede  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:02:35am

OT: I'm not sure how much of this video is actually Mr. Bush talking, and i'm sure to make fun of him, but i actually found it both amusing and well made.

120 chazmo  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:03:03am

OT
Now you aint heard this from me but.. I just heard that BP and EXXON has hired Green Helmet Guy to show the world the bolts that need to be tighten and every rust spot!
Thats what I've heard.

121 mich-again  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:03:52am

116 wintercat

Strange, isn't it, the number of Korans that are being abused in this conflict.

Yup, those Koran Kasualties just keep popping up everywhere!

122 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:04:32am
#116 wintercat

#89
mich-again

How interesting. I would love to know the physics of how dust can land on only one page of the Koran leaving the other exposed. Luckily, it is exposed so we are SURE this is the Koran. It's quite heaped on in fact and the lack of the same thickness of dust on everything else in sight seems ... odd.

Yeppers, obviously a fauxto here. Note that the dust covers the entire surface under the koran. Ain't happening that if the koran was sitting there when the dust ball spit that only half got covered.

123 NoSubmission  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:06:33am

#118 galloping granny

This one:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

124 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:10:59am

#89 mich-again

The dust looks like it is from the tile itself, and there is no other dust to be seen other than on the countertop...

125 Jeff S.  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:11:50am
hard-edged right wing website unfathomably called Little Green Footballs. ...

The words fairly cry out "rotating title".

126 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:12:36am
127 m  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:15:46am

They accidently messed up the link to pajamas media.

128 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:15:56am
129 Miggie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:17:11am

Finally! Something honest from the LA Times.

I cancelled my subscription years ago because of their Left Wing, anti-Israel bias. One of the great things that happens after you cancel your LA Times subscription is that you get 3 or 4 phone calls from them asking why you cancelled and trying to get you to sign up again. It is a great opportunity to tell them in person what you think of their propaganda.
It hasn't seemed to matter much but it makes me feel better afterward.

130 sss111  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:17:15am

The...the...LA TIMES?


I must be imagining things...

I know that pigs cannot fly...

This must be a parallel universe I woke up in today.

131 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:18:54am

Americans will die for liberty by Andrew Gimson

But when the Americans speak of freedom, we should not imagine, in our cynical and worldly-wise way, that they are merely using that word as a cloak for realpolitik. They are not above realpolitik, but they also mean what they say.

These formidable people think freedom is so valuable that it is worth dying for.

132 The Albatross  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:21:31am

Correction... the link is an Lebanese photo album but the linked photo is Shamoun Daher

133 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:22:34am
#123 NoSubmission

#118 galloping granny

This one:

Ah - THAT fauxto. Yes that was Tyler Hicks. He took 3 or 4. And he was not the only fauxtographer present. I found another half-dozen or more from the same scene, with the same guy, by another fauxtographer.

The pics I found show several closeups of the fire, which grows larger shot by shot. In no case do any of the many people present seem to be carrying H2O or pouring H2O on the fire. Walking Dead Man does, however, appear in one of them directly next to the fire with a piece of wood in his hands - something that looks to be 6-8x12-14 or so, not some huge long timber that might have been a piece of a demolished building.

134 wintercat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:30:42am

#133 galloping granny

Linky to the other fauxtos you refer to please?

135 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:33:46am
# Two pictures used by The Associated Press and Reuters, in which the same woman appeared to be crying over the destruction of her Beirut home. Distinguished by a red-checkered scarf and scar on her right cheek, the woman was pictured crying in front of two different locations two weeks apart.

The damn Jews blew up her apt. So she rented a house in a nicer neighborhood, and two weeks later Jews blew it up.

Picture takes 1 second to load.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
Poor thang.

136 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:37:09am
#134 wintercat

#133 galloping granny

Linky to the other fauxtos you refer to please?

Don't have a link. Found the fauxtos through an image service, took screenshots that show the service, date, time, caption, fauxtographer, etc.

Didn't bother to keep the links because they change as new photos are added anyway and the screen shot is proof that they were there and said such and such.

137 Cartman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:41:05am
Johnson and his colleagues have done the serious news media a service.

In light of recent events, wouldn't that phrase [emboldened] now pretty much be considered an oxymoron, of sorts? Other than the extremely rare MSM reporter (such as Mr. Rutten), I see very little (if any) evidence that the drive-by media gives a rat's ass about the truth. In any event, happy to see that this man had the cajones to speak his mind. Odds are he'll have a desk job editing local copy come Monday morning. ;)

138 scorpio  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:41:56am

From greenhelmetguy.blogspot.com

I just found this today, y'all might have seen it already. But just in case, too funny.

139 Airborne Mom  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:42:27am

#131 christheprofessor

That article brought tears to my eyes. Very beautifully written. I hope after 8/10/2006 the Brits and more of Europe would feel this way. Thanks for the link.

140 dead sea squirrel  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:42:50am
#131 christheprofessor

Americans will die for liberty by Andrew Gimson

But when the Americans speak of freedom, we should not imagine, in our cynical and worldly-wise way, that they are merely using that word as a cloak for realpolitik. They are not above realpolitik, but they also mean what they say.

These formidable people think freedom is so valuable that it is worth dying for.

Great article, and be sure to read the feedback. Some of it is equally good.

141 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:43:28am

Related, on the topic of the media, This kind of crap irritates me:

The U.N. Security Council adopted a resolution on Friday seeking a "full cessation" of violence between Israel and Hezbollah, offering the region its best chance yet for peace after a month of fighting that has killed nearly 900 people.

These media types are omniscent, aren't they? Stating as incontrovertable that this hudna is the "best chance yet for peace". Suggestion: report the facts, and confine the editorials to the op/ed page. Jeez...

142 Cartman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:43:47am

#138 scorpio

Linky no worky.

143 NoSubmission  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:45:23am

I REUTERED the CAIR photo a little, seeing how their in-house fauxtoshopper is lacking in skill.

[Link: s97.photobucket.com...]

144 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:45:32am
145 NogenDavid  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:45:40am

Anybody understand what's happening militarily in Lebanon today? Some reports of a massive israeli airlift of troops, Hezbollah surrounded south of Litani two week schedule for IDF to clean up the area - most media keep reporting that IDF will cease all operations on Monday. I would welcome a crushing defeat of Hezbollah, but how will Israeli justify continuing operations in the face of the ceasefire resolution if Hezbollah is smart enough to stop firing rockets for a while? Will Israel say Hezbollah has not stopped smuggling rockets, or has not unconditionally release prisoners, or what? Fog of war; anybody got a flashlight?

146 J.D.  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:46:35am

#65 wintercat

Make what you will of the analysis, much of which is feverish, sneering and tending toward the mechanistically conspiratorial.


He said much, not most.
It could be worse.
:D

147 scorpio  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:46:52am

#142 Cartman

It's working for me, but could be my browser or something or other.

Try this

and scroll up.

148 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:48:07am

131 chris the pro,

You did good.

149 EC Marm  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:49:52am

OT but worthy of ridicule

Sheehan Treated for Dehydration in Texas

Anti-war demonstrator Cindy Sheehan was hospitalized Friday evening for dehydration and exhaustion after fasting for more than a month and protesting earlier this week in 100-degree weather, friends and relatives said.

Sheehan was listed in stable condition at Providence Health Center in Waco. Brenda Mauk, a nursing supervisor, declined to release additional information...


Sheehan was listed in stable condition? Under what criteria? She needs to be moved to the mental ward for observation, IMO.

150 Luigi  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:50:19am

Islamic Fascism

BiasedBBC [Link: www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com...] found this regarding Hitler's buddy, the Grand Mufti, the godfather of modern Muslim extremism and possibly Arafat's uncle.

"At the Nuremberg Trials, Eichmann's deputy Dieter Wisliceny (subsequently executed as a war criminal) testified:

The Mufti was one of the initiators of the systematic extermination of European Jewry and had been a collaborator and adviser of Eichmann and Himmler in the execution of this plan. ... He was one of Eichmann's best friends and had constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say, accompanied by Eichmann, he had visited incognito the gas chamber of Auschwitz."

151 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:50:39am
#141 Earth2moonbat


These media types are omniscent, aren't they? Stating as incontrovertable that this hudna is the "best chance yet for peace". Suggestion: report the facts, and confine the editorials to the op/ed page. Jeez...

Way back in the long ago and far away I used to do a little journalism as a high school editor for our local paper. Back then there was actually a formula to writing a news story. Paragraph 1 tells who does what, when where and why &/or how. Each succesive paragraph is supposed to expound on one of the W's - in order BTW. Written this way, those who are short on time can read the first paragraph of each story and not miss the news.

These days that old & very effective formula seems to be tossed to the four winds. Most of the time the writer goes off on some tangent or other and you're left to dig through reams of column inches to discover the bare facts that should have been expressed in para 1. I find it so frustrating that I have for the most part completely given up on print media.

152 Cartman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:52:45am

#129 miggie

One of the great things that happens after you cancel your LA Times subscription is that you get 3 or 4 phone calls from them asking why you cancelled and trying to get you to sign up again. It is a great opportunity to tell them in person what you think of their propaganda.

I'm sure the solicitor has a check box at the bottom of the survey labled "Wingnut - disregard". Lefitist-leaning MSM publications like the LAT and NYT seem to wear declining readership as a badge of honor. "Give me unemployment, rather than me appealing to moderation". The neo-journalist's mantra.

153 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:53:46am
#150 Luigi

Islamic Fascism

BiasedBBC [Link: www.biased-bb...] found this regarding Hitler's buddy, the Grand Mufti, the godfather of modern Muslim extremism and possibly Arafat's uncle.

This isn't new, its just one of those facts that the MSM and powers that be have tried to bury since Camp David. Husseini was Arafat's uncle. And he was far from the only muslim fan of Hitler. Matter of fact, the SS had an entire division of muslim SS troopers.

Do a little digging. You'll find all kinds of information and even pictures. Very illuminating.

154 mkm19602000  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:54:29am

#113 cpt

Thanks for the link to Gizoogle. It comes up with listings to Grouchy Old Cripple. I have added him to my bookmarks and Gizoogle
is now in my search engine folder. I can't fathom why it would come up on that page cough-boobageoftheweek-cough.

I think he has won the Beruit photoshop contest:


[Link: www.grouchyoldcripple.com...]

lotterman brings fire fighting equipment to Beruit

155 EC Marm  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:54:36am

#143 NoSubmission
Nice, but no blue pacifier in Dinner Jackets hand? An assortment of brand new children's toys would be a nice touch, too.

156 Cartman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:55:13am

#147 scorpio

Thanks. The link you reposted worked just fine.

157 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:55:49am
158 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:57:16am
#145 NogenDavid 8/12/2006 12:45PM PDT

but how will Israeli justify continuing operations in the face of the ceasefire resolution if Hezbollah is smart enough to stop firing rockets for a while?

Must Israel justify anything to the U.N.?

159 mkm19602000  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:57:42am

#154

PMIF

lotterman=looterman

I think I have sampled too much of his wares. LOL

160 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:58:05am

#151 galloping granny

Which leaves you puzzling over how much of this poor journalism is simply sloppiness and incompitance, and how much is deliberate manipulation. Things are generally so bad across the board that you really can't tell where one stops and the other stops. So when they get caught (just like when election officials get caught making wholsale "errors" that all happen to work in one direction), they can plead incompitance.

One of the consequences of low standards is that they allow malfesance to hide in the shadows of sloppy errors.

161 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:58:52am

PIMF - one stops and the other one starts...

162 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:59:25am
#145 NogenDavid

Anybody understand what's happening militarily in Lebanon today? Some reports of a massive israeli airlift of troops, Hezbollah surrounded south of Litani two week schedule for IDF to clean up the area - most media keep reporting that IDF will cease all operations on Monday. I would welcome a crushing defeat of Hezbollah, but how will Israeli justify continuing operations in the face of the ceasefire resolution if Hezbollah is smart enough to stop firing rockets for a while? Will Israel say Hezbollah has not stopped smuggling rockets, or has not unconditionally release prisoners, or what? Fog of war; anybody got a flashlight?

I read the resolution early this am, so I can't quote you chapter and verse with exactitude, but the way I read it Israel is not required to stop as long as the rockets keep coming over the border and not required to withdraw until international troops arrive to take their place.

My gut instinct on this one is that same as the 48 hour job a week or 10 days ago. Ain't happening. Especially in light of the fact that Nasrallah says he "will accept the ceasefire but keep fighting." That statement seems to contain two different statements of position that by nature cancel each other out.

163 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 10:59:45am

RICE: First of all, this resolution has an arms embargo within it and a responsibility of the Lebanese government to make sure that illegal arms are not coming into the country.
Great:
That will scare and stop Iran.

HANNITY: Wasn't that in 1559, that it was supposed to be disarmed?

RICE: Yes, but we are in a different situation now where the Lebanese will have help doing that, to make sure that their borders are secure. It's also the case — there was not an arms embargo before. And so now Syria, Iran, whoever violates that embargo will be violating a Security Council resolution.
Oh shit,
a violating of a Security Council resolution.
OH NO,
violating a Security Council resolution.
OH NO.

/ That has to hurt Iran.

164 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:00:17am

#153 galloping granny

The Fwench let him escape at the end of the war.

165 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:01:13am
166 ted  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:03:15am

OT: Newseek Dhimmi: Bush use of Islamofacism=Holocaust


Escalation in Terminology
When President Bush described a war against ‘Islamic fascists,’ some American Muslims became very angry.

By Lisa Miller

Newsweek

Updated: 1 hour, 34 minutes ago

Aug. 12, 2006 - In our collective relief at having dodged a bullet this week, some of us may have missed the rhetorical bomb in our midst. Just hours after Tony Blair announced the arrest of two-dozen Britons on charges that they were planning to blow up planes using liquid explosives, President Bush made remarks of his own, thanking British authorities for their swift work and assuring Americans that their safety was his primary concern. “This nation is at war with Islamic fascists,” he said somberly, “who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation.” Our terrorist enemy has been described in so much colorful language by so many, one more escalation in terminology may have been easy to overlook.

Except that this time Parvez Ahmed got really mad. That same afternoon, Ahmed, who is chairman of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Washington-based advocacy group, released an open letter to the president, a letter that excoriated Bush for using language that “contributes to a rising level of hostility to Islam and the American-Muslim community.” He wrote, “The use of ill-defined hot-button terms such as ‘Islamic fascists’ harms our nation’s image and interests worldwide.” he wrote. The blogs went wild.


“Islamic fascist”—or “Islamofascist” as it’s popularly spelled on the Internet—is the latest explosive in the right’s semantic arsenal. It’s explosive because it instantly brings to mind the 20th century’s greatest horror, the Holocaust, because it offends the sensibilities of millions of people like Ahmed who hold Islam sacred, and because it infuriates people who believe that the Middle East conflict can be resolved at least partially through talking. It has been in wide use for about a year, mostly by hawkish conservatives who feel that five years of “war on terror” rhetoric has not gone far enough to identify who the enemy is—that is, terrorists who are Muslim—or to describe the radical Islamic movement in the Middle East as a global threat to a democratic way of life. To compare today’s terrorists to the last century’s fascists “gets at the incredibly aggressive nature of the conflict, the craziness of it,” explains William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard. “You imply that these are not rationally calculating people in the way that we have become accustomed to.”

Republican Senator Rick Santorum, who will be fighting for his seat in November, uses the phrase repeatedly. “Islamic fascism,” he told the National Press Club in July “is the great test of this generation.” In June, political consultant Mary Matalin told Fox News that “You either believe we’re going to fight Islamic fascism or you don’t,” and a week later, after an Israeli soldier was kidnapped by Palestinian terrorists, Rep. Eric Cantor (R- Va.) issued a statement saying that Israel “has every right to secure its citizens from these Islamic fascists.”

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

167 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:03:47am
168 mahatma coat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:04:28am

just saw on RTE news lebanese president thanking and congratulating the "resistance"...and this is the guy who's going to disarm them?

169 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:07:30am

(Sorry if the following already has been reported.) FOX reported that the IDF has confirmed that an Israeli chopper was shot down by Hizb'Allah.

170 Manker  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:09:00am
#158 MandyManners 8/12/2006 12:57PM PDT

#145 NogenDavid 8/12/2006 12:45PM PDT

but how will Israeli justify continuing operations in the face of the ceasefire resolution if Hezbollah is smart enough to stop firing rockets for a while?

Must Israel justify anything to the U.N.?

Here's the simplest justification.

The resolution says Israel has the right to continue all defensive operations.

Considering that this war was started by Hizb'allah agression, this entire campaign is just one big defensive operation agaisnt continued rocket fire on Israel.

END

171 Thanos  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:09:30am

GG

My gut instinct on this one is that same as the 48 hour job a week or 10 days ago. Ain't happening. Especially in light of the fact that Nasrallah says he "will accept the ceasefire but keep fighting." That statement seems to contain two different statements of position that by nature cancel each other out.

I am with you there, however if the cease fire does happen, I am looking forward to the wording of the second resolution. The second will supposedly put an arms embargo up against Syria and Iran, Disarm hezbollah, this per Tony Snow on the radio yesterday.

The only way that this works to me is if the forces come from the north, disarming Hezbollah in southern Beirut and Bekaa valley as they move to the Litani. We will know it's just another Unifil bubble to burst if the forces flow in through Tyre and go immediately south.

172 SlothB77  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:10:40am

bravo, tim. but, unfortunately, he's as good as fired.

173 SlothB77  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:12:15am

I would say "Ostensibly called LittleGreenFootballs". I still don't know what the name means.

174 Cartman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:13:49am

#166 ted

When President Bush described a war against ‘Islamic fascists,’ some American Muslims became very angry.

Far as this ol' boy is concerned, they (the Islamic fascists) can blow an aneurism getting "very angry". Just don't ever consider setting foot in my neighborhood or on my property, with the express intent of causing harm. Anger neutralized, peace and harmony survives for another day.

175 fluffy  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:14:01am

Johnson and his colleagues have done the serious news media a service. Failure to follow up on it would be worse than churlish; it would be irresponsible.

Who TF do they think they are?

Earth to LATimes: This story happened because you clowns don't fact check, nor edit with a critical eye.

176 SlothB77  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:14:39am

i think part of the credit for this unusually lucid piece is that Charles IS from LA, and now that he is a local celebrity (dwarfed by lohan, etc, of course, but hey - he's a blogger) the local press is showing some hometown bias?

177 grandma  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:15:48am

#86, The Albatross,

We have no running water, no electricity, and we are running out of food.


Maybe some of the Hezbo supporters should feast their eyes on the posters of Nasrallah, and get fed up.

178 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:16:19am
#160 Earth2moonbat

#151 galloping granny

Which leaves you puzzling over how much of this poor journalism is simply sloppiness and incompitance, and how much is deliberate manipulation. Things are generally so bad across the board that you really can't tell where one stops and the other stops. So when they get caught (just like when election officials get caught making wholsale "errors" that all happen to work in one direction), they can plead incompitance.

One of the consequences of low standards is that they allow malfesance to hide in the shadows of sloppy errors.

I don't think that this can be passed off as sloppiness or incompetance. No photo editor who saw all of the Walking Dead Man pictures, for example, could help but have some question of the veracity of the "death" - especially considering the one that has come to light today, showing WDM from above, clearl playing dead holding his hat in his hand across is chest.

Certainly at the level of the individual newspaper, most photo editors would have had most of the pics available to them

And then there are pictures like a couple that have been posted here in the last few days, showing children in the direct line of return fire, in very close proximity to someone reportedly firing at IDF soldiers. In one case, after the picture was raised as an issue here (staged photo) the wire service in question issued a second photo from the series showing the alley behind the shooter. In the other instance, they simply cropped th e kids out of the picture and reposted the now "unquestionably accurate" - or at least sanitary - photo. (Little do they know that I take screen shots of every single photo I even remotely question and then back them up to DVD. Can't argue with a screen shot or claim it was never there.)

My personal take on this is that the fauxtographing & reutering of photos has been going on for a long time. Probably as long as Photoshop has been around. The MSM just hasn't woken up to the fact yet that there are millions of Photoshop users around the world, a great number of whom are better with Photoshop that anybody the wire services have working for them .

I think the only reason they haven't been caught prior to this is that this is one of the biggest events that has happened during the Photoshop era - and certainly the most polarized.

179 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:16:19am
180 BabbaZee  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:18:12am

Pssst!
#174 Cartman

Thought you may find this one interesting after reading the Fonte...

GRAMSCIAN SOCIALISTS ARE THE CALIPHATE'S WHORES!
~ bz


Useful Idiots Are Islam’s Best Soldiers
Amil Imani

Islam enjoys a large and influential ally among the non-Muslims: A new generation of "Useful Idiots," that Lenin identified as those who lived in liberal democracies and furthered the work of communism. This new generation of Useful Idiots also lives in liberal democracies but serves the cause of Islamofascism—another virulent form of totalitarian ideology.

Useful Idiots are naïve, foolish, ignorant of facts, unrealistically idealistic, dreamers, willfully in denial or deceptive. They hail from the ranks of the chronically unhappy, the anarchists, the aspiring revolutionaries, the neurotics who are at war with life, the disaffected who are alienated from government, corporations, and just about any and all institutions of society. The Useful Idiot can be a billionaire, a movie star, an academe of renown, a politician, or from any other segment of the population.

Arguably, the most dangerous Useful Idiot is the "Politically Correct." He is the master practitioner of euphemism, hedging, doubletalk, and outright deception.

The Useful Idiot derives satisfaction from being anti-establishment. He finds perverse gratification in aiding the forces that aim to dismantle an existing order, whatever it may be: an order he neither approves of nor he feels he belongs to.

The Useful Idiot is conflicted and dishonest. He fails to look inside himself and discover the causes of his own problems and unhappiness while he readily enlists himself in causes that validate his distorted perception.

Understandably, it is easier to blame others and the outside world than to examine oneself with an eye to self-discovery and self-improvement. Furthermore, criticizing and complaining—liberal practices of the Useful Idiot—require little talent and energy. The Useful Idiot is a great armchair philosopher and "Monday Morning Quarterback."

"It is less threatening to believe that only a hijacked small segment of Islam is radical or politically driven and that the main body of Islam is indeed moderate and non-political."

The Useful Idiot is not the same as a person who honestly has a different point of view. A society without honest and open differences of views is a dead society. Critical, different and fresh ideas are the life blood of a living society—the very anathema of autocracies where the official position is sacrosanct.

[SNIP]


read it all...

[Link: www.newmediajournal.us...]

Amil Imani is an Iranian born, pro-democracy activist who resides in the United States of America.. He maintains a website at [Link: www.amilimani.com...]


Post and Run
see you all later

181 minuteman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:21:48am

Tim Rutten begrudgingly acknowledges LGF's work, but takes every opportunity to still besmirch: "hard edged right wing, over the top, conspiratorial" blah blah blah. Yet nothing he says about the significance of reutersgate wasn't already said here - a week before he deigned to notice. He's pissed that Charles does a better job and he had to scrap some typical Bush bashing piece in his quest to be the new Frank Rich. So goes the extinction of the MSM.

182 wintercat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:24:59am
It has been in wide use for about a year, mostly by hawkish conservatives who feel that five years of “war on terror” rhetoric has not gone far enough to identify who the enemy is—that is, terrorists who are Muslim

This is meant to be a pejorative but it is Ms Miller who needs to get a clue. The word Islamofascist is apt when one considers that the west has endured decades of bombings, murders, riots, stonings, beheadings, death threats, and the attempted murders of millions of innocents.

Iran's insane leader spews an endless river of hate and threatens to wipe an entire country "off the map" and she is concerned about the Muslim's getting mad about the word Islamofascist?

I am waiting for her to write her article about the constant use of the word "Islamophobia" on the part of the Muslim leaders.

/crickets

183 NoSubmission  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:25:13am

#155 EC Marm


I hope you didn't miss my earlier posting of my own faketography!

[Link: s97.photobucket.com...]

184 wintercat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:27:41am

Should have referenced #166 ted's original post in my #182 response.

185 moenyrunner  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:28:13am

The LA Times Tim Rutten takes a look at the faux journalism coming out of the Middle East and asks why the MSM isn’t looking at this issue. After all, it reflects on the honesty and integrity of their product, something that should be protected with every fiber in their being, not covered up and hidden under the rug. Believability is incredibly important for the business model of the mainstream media. If the content of the LA Times become viewed as reliable as the three headed Venusians baby pictures from the News Of the World or the Globe, it may as well close its doors.

When a bottle of Tylenol was discovered to have been deliberately poisoned, Johnson & Johnson recalled every bottle and did everything it could to reassure the public that in the future, it would package Tylenol in tamper proof containers.

So why is the MSM reacting by generally ignoring the story or changing the subject by focusing on the personality of Charles Johnson? I think that there are two explanations that are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they reinforce each other.

First, the MSM doesn’t really think they have a problem. Since their product is so customized and at the same time so evanescent, their concept of “quality control” is laughably out of date. They believe that when you publish several hundred stories a day, and it’s all done virtually “by hand,” they believe that they do a damn fine job by getting it mostly right most of the time. And if they don’t … well their product is usually discarded or used to line animal cages, within minutes or at most hours of delivery. They ask, how do you run quality control on a picture from the other side of the globe when the paper has to begin printing by midnight? Checking for “photo shopped” images or “staged” photos? Don’t be silly, we have to fill those spaces not already sold by our sales department to the advertisers. And the dirty little secret is that staged or altered photos are usually more visually appealing. “Get your dead girl pictures here!” and sell more papers and sell more advertising at higher rates. So the dirty little secret is that editors have an incentive not to look too closely at the stuff they’re printing. And if there is a mistake, it gets thrown out with the trash; sort of like the surgeon’s mistakes. Except surgeons can get sued for their mistakes while the press can’t.

Second, the press is still run by the people who firmly believe the old saying that you don’t pick a fight with a guy who buys his ink by the barrel. In the good old days, what could the victim of a news error do? OK, perhaps a letter to the editor, which the editor, as the judge, jury and executioner, could deign to print … or not. Especially in the day of media monopolies – which includes most US cities – the reader was at the mercy of the almighty editor. You took what they editor shoveled out or … you did without. Complain about content? Newspapers always claimed to be concerned, but they were really not. What were you going to do, start your own newspaper? That’s funny!

Well, that alternative newspaper has arrived. Sure, it’s small, struggling, and has a lot of flaws. And it’s mostly run by enthusiastic amateurs as a hobby. But its circulation is soaring and its editors and writers are real experts on the subject they discuss, not j-school grads whose forte is English composition. And the j-school grads are having trouble coping.

186 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:31:07am
187 SlothB77  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:32:00am
188 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:32:47am
189 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:35:26am

Finally something in the MSM..

My moonbat friends look at me like I am speaking gibberish when I tell them about the fauxphotos, the staging of dead bodies, the faking of photos in Lebanon.

190 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:35:59am
191 Thanos  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:36:16am

OT: this is up now over at Hot Air:

IDF officials said yesterday, before the ceasefire, that it would take them a week to get to the river. Less than 24 hours later, with time now of the essence, some units are already there. According to their top commander in the field, they could have been there 10 days ago.
It sounded before like they were going to take Hezbollah out in the course of pushing north. Now it sounds like they’re going to bypass them, grab as much land as they can, and then engage the pockets of jihadis they missed on the way. Encircling, in other words. Follow that link for a broad strategic picture from Debka, which, as usual, may or may not be talking out of its ass. They’re certainly right, though, that the clock is ticking.
192 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:36:38am
193 Cartman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:36:56am

#180 Babba

Simply spot-on. I've read your excerpt, and plan to proceed with the entire article. Thank you.

The Useful Idiot is conflicted and dishonest. He fails to look inside himself and discover the causes of his own problems and unhappiness while he readily enlists himself in causes that validate his distorted perception.

To me, that is the gist of the conflict we all face. The world is full of unhappy people. Some for good reason, others for no tangible reason at all. I see daily the left in this country, and in other Western nations bitch and moan and wail about "injustice". The hard fact is that so many of these malcontents have been blessed with lives of relative comfort and security. Most of them have absolutely no concept with respect to what true suffering entails. A life lacking moral integrity and purpose is...a life lacking. Ever notice how most (not all) Lizards seem to be relatively content and certain of their purpose in life? And when you mix in a healthy dose of humor, you catch a glimpse of people who enjoy their lives. Go over to the "dark side" at DU, Huffer or KOS, and one immediately recognizes the human dichotomy. Angst, barely contained anger, and abject pessimism. We choose not to set foot upon the precipice of that abyss.

194 ibmkeyboard  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:37:02am
So why is the MSM reacting by generally ignoring the story or changing the subject by focusing on the personality of Charles Johnson?


Charles,
For the next couple of months you might want to get your hair trimmed,
and not ride the bike so much.
Some weight gain and shorter hair could help you blend in better and be less threating to these people.

/BWHAHAHAHAHAHWHA

195 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:38:02am

#179 taxfreekiller


Who are Shriver and Mixter?

196 Tanker J.D.  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:40:16am

Is the iceberg finally starting to crack?

197 EC Marm  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:40:44am

#166 ted

When President Bush described a war against ‘Islamic fascists,’ some American Muslims became very angry.

Actually, I can only imagine Muslims (as portrayed in MSM) as having the following emotions:

Anger - over every slight, real or imagined, no matter how trivial (think cartoons)

Outrage - when they're losing a battle and western civilization becomes indifferent (think Lebanon)

Jubilation - when they commit a crime against humanity and kill innocent people (think 9/11, London, Madrid, India...)

Sorta manic/depressive to me... Maybe missed a couple, not sure...

198 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:41:21am

Never mind. I Googled the names.

God bless their families.

199 tridroid97  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:41:35am

Apologies if this has already been posted...

Now it's Reutersgate

Reutersgate strikes other news outlets

200 Tanker J.D.  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:41:57am

189 Amalie

You need a moonbat to English translator

201 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:43:29am
202 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:43:35am

#168 mahatma coat 8/12/2006 01:04PM PDT

just saw on RTE news lebanese president thanking and congratulating the "resistance"...and this is the guy who's going to disarm them?

Yes, he's the one...

203 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:44:16am
#199 tridroid97

Apologies if this has already been posted...

Now it's Reutersgate

Reutersgate strikes other news outlets

Yup. We did that. I was close to the first if not "the"

204 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:44:21am

200 Tanker JD

I need something! They look at me like I am from another planet.

/hi Tanker!

205 NogenDavid  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:45:09am

Still trying to figure it out. Nasrallah seems to have stupidly said he will not stop fighting until the IDF withdraws. As long as he keeps up attacks on IDF troops, they can take "defensive" measures, which they would interpret as continuing to clean Hezbollah nests south of Litani and continuing to pound rocket launchers north of the river. Maybe the IDF stops air campaign against Beirut, with few targets left to hit,wanting to minimize the public relations blowback, and keep the case cleaner that measures are "defensive".

Or does Nasrallah suddenly realize that his military position is untenable, and amend his caveat about not stopping til the IDF is gone?

Perhaps we tend to overestimate Nasrallahs shrewds. Maybe he is a good orator, I'm in no position to judge that, but he might have a messianic complex which interferes with his ability to make tactical compromises in his own malevolent self interest.

As Rummy would put it, at this point, I don't know if we even know what we don't know about what is really happening on the ground or diplomatically.

By the way, I congratulate Charles again on his coverage of media fraud, and it is great to see it is breaking into MSM. Question is, how to keep up momentum on the story. I'd suggest this challenge to CNN and other media: that it be an ethical principle that reporters always openly identify limitations on their access and freedom in filing reports.
If CNN reporters are being led around by Hezbollah operatives, or have been threatened, or whatever, full disclosure would be an ethical obligation.

How can journalists easily resist the call for full disclosure?

Sunlight, as the saying goes, is a great antiseptic.

206 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:45:30am
207 Tanker J.D.  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:45:41am

204 Amalie

Sometimes, it's best just to try to avoid moonbats altogether.

What are you up to these days?

208 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:46:35am

Hey everyone, big news!

U.S. Presbyterian Church is publishing a book saying Bush is behind 9/11!

[Link: story.malaysiasun.com...]

Disgusting beyond belief.

209 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:47:06am

207 Tanker JD

I can't avoid the moonbats, it's like I am a moonbat magnet.

/been busy, Tanker. How about yourself?

210 chazmo  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:50:29am

OT: My deep thoughts
Islam, one stinky religion
I am a grade” A” American dumbass. So before I continue, I want everyone to know that I’m just saying.
I have never been in mosque, but I have seen them on tv. I noticed that they take their shoes off outside and place a little mat down in a long row. Now I’m thinking to myself, who gets the front row. I would try to get up front. Who want to be behind Achmed or Moe’s stinky ass ? And how does Moe concentrate on his worshiping. I would be preoccupied worrying that I might be offending the guy behind me! Or worse the Moe behind me is finding his view quite pleasing !
So betwixt the stinky feet and the ass’s permeating, I have concluded Islam is a stinky religion.
No wonder these people are so troubled.

211 Piltdown Man  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:50:37am

Here's the first news of the ANSWER rally in DC. Turns out, according to the WP, they were rallying for Lebanon and not Marxist Revolution.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

212 Tanker J.D.  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:50:40am

208 Quella

There is a LLL branch to PC(USA) that's very disconcerting. This is just the latest from that arm...

209 Amalie

Busy, too... Still trying to convince some other employer to hire me :-) Maybe something will work out, soon.

Are you working, or are you still enjoying early retirement?

213 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:51:48am

#186 rayra
It's been a long time since I've bought a maxtor drive. In the future I'm going to buy them just for the migration utility, it'll just make life easier. Since the drive has stopped screaming for now I have a bit of a reprieve, I'll give that Acronis thing a shot. Thanks for the tip.

#187 SlothB77
That's insane. It's been an exciting couple of weeks around here.

214 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:52:08am

205 Nogen David

Over in MSM Land there seems to be the philosophy of reporting "both sides." Where do they draw the line? If Bin Laden and Al-Queda called them up and said "come on, we want some reporters to be embedded with us." How many MSM would do it?

215 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:54:11am

210 chazmo

I presume you are a guy? If so then if you wish you can go to a mosque. I can't, I'm a woman.

What happens in Mosques, stays in Mosques..

216 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:54:37am

Amalie #214:

I guarantee you that many reporters would be embedded with al queda and Bin Laden. I know for a fact that many reporters are actively trying to get an interview with Bin Laden.

217 Cartman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:54:48am

#208 quella

In 'Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11: A Call to Reflection and Action,' author David Ray Griffin calls the United States the world's 'chief embodiment of demonic power, says he initially scoffed at 9/11 conspiracy theories.

The PC-USA seems to have become a radical branch of Christianity. Many recognize that. I would be very hesitant to attribute this nonsense to official church doctrine, yet I wouldn't be totally shocked.

218 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:55:27am

#139 Airborne Mom
#140 Dead Sea Squirrel
#148 ibmkeyboard

Glad y'all liked it. I was moved by it, also.

#154 mkm19602000

GOC is where I found the link... That's why it comes up to his page... I'm a great fan of his jokes and particularaly his Saturdage Boobage...

#157 rayra

I absolutely agree. I was just trying to make the point, in the same language, that the author dodged the real issue...

219 mich-again  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:55:29am

And sometimes they just make shit up with the captions as well. Heres a good example. link

A car is allegedly trying to cross into a crater, yet there are no tire tracks in the dirt behind it or in front of it.

220 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:56:19am

#210 chazmo

And how does Moe concentrate on his worshiping. I would be preoccupied worrying that I might be offending the guy behind me! Or worse the Moe behind me is finding his view quite pleasing !


Kinda explains why the women prey separately, eh?

221 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:56:38am

212 Tanker JD

I will have to email you to let you know what I'm up too these days. Have you gone to any of the anti-Israel, pro-Hez'bollah protests these days?

/as a spy?

222 Tanker J.D.  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:56:41am

217 Cartman

I don't think it's church doctrine, at least not yet. They did have a proposal to divest from Isreali firms last year, but I think that was defeated.

There is still a troubling trend in the church towards the extreme political left.

223 Tanker J.D.  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:58:58am

Re: PC(USA)

Anyway, Condi Rice still attends the PC(USA) church here in D.C.; called the National Presbyterian Church.

So perhaps it's not too bad, yet.

221 Amalie

Please do e-mail me. You know the address. It's been a while.

Haven't had time for any spying of late. I sometimes see the participants working their way back uptown after their little hate-ins, but that's 'bout it.

224 fluffy  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:59:35am

#219 mich-again

Look out! Wesley Snipes has joined the IDF.

Apartheid, my hairy ass.

225 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 11:59:59am
226 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:00:24pm

216 Quella

I know the MSM would jump at the chance to be embedded with Al-Queda.

I guess what the point I miserably failed to make was this: The MSM do not acknowledge Hez'bollah nor Hamas as bad guys. Which makes me wonder, who would the MSM consider to be bad?

/besides our President?

227 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:00:24pm
#201 rayra 8/12/2006 01:43PM PDT

And a good first step towards shattering the distortion of our news would be a reassignment of every single person working in/on the Middle East, out of the region entirely. Folks like Kathy Gannon are in the positions they are for a reason, reasons of their own. Absolutely ought to be a DISqualifier.

This familiarity is a problem reporting even domestic news.

228 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:01:40pm

#220 Killgore Trout 8/12/2006 01:56PM PDT


#210 chazmo

And how does Moe concentrate on his worshiping. I would be preoccupied worrying that I might be offending the guy behind me! Or worse the Moe behind me is finding his view quite pleasing !

Kinda explains why the women prey separately, eh?

Prey tell?

:D

229 Carolyn  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:02:45pm

Got this today in email..
[Link: www.aish.com...]

230 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:03:16pm

My goodnes! Reutersgate is even on Google news -
[Link: news.google.com...]

231 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:03:56pm

Nas'rallah said today that Israel should be tried for war crimes, mass murder...

Thank you, MSM, for further this man's agenda

232 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:05:40pm
233 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:08:00pm

Amalie #226:

Well, some within the MSM get it. Very few, but some do!

I feel sick that lately the only MSM I can watch without puking is Fox News. I feel I have jumped over to the dark side!

I mean, I still totally disagree with the prez in terms of his domestic agenda, but the crisis with Israel and my recent interest in the truth of Islam has shown me how totally inept the MSM really is.

Also, LGF has had an effect, if I should say so myself. What shocks me is how seemingly normal people will think there is a moral equivalence between Israel and Hizby.

What horrifies me most of all is that I used to be a moonbat listener of Randi Rhodes, myself.

*hangs head in shame*

It is very difficult for someone like me to acknowledge that Muslims as a PEOPLE are antisemitic, and that the leadership seeks Israel's annhiliation and would never stop there. For years, I wanted to see say "That's just a fringe group, the real problems are Bush's torture and how we make them hate us and XYZABC."

It's very difficult to acknowledge, and painful to acknowledge, that we are hated because we exist.

It was very upsetting and traumatic for me to have to make that mental leap.

And so I understand why leftists don't make that leap. I didn't for a very long time. I just wish that they would WAKE UP, as I did.

234 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:09:29pm
235 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:10:29pm
Israel Channel 2 just ran a story about YOU, LGF, Powerline, EUReferendum, and all the great work that has been done by bloggers to bring downthe myth of unbiased Retuers reporting.

That's awesome, I wish I'd seen it.

236 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:11:52pm
237 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:12:38pm

#208 Quella
Sounds more like Fred Phelps than Presbyterians. The times they are a changin'

238 mich-again  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:12:51pm

The Tampa Bay Primer has AP photos showing how the Lebanon "Toy Story"Fauxtographs were staged. link

Just in case there was even a shred of doubt that these pictures were staged.

239 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:13:26pm

ploome hineni #236:

Hellooo! :-)

240 rayra[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:14:20pm
241 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:14:33pm

233 Quella

It's very difficult to acknowledge, and painful to acknowledge, that we are hated because we exist.

It was very upsetting and traumatic for me to have to make that mental leap.

And so I understand why leftists don't make that leap. I didn't for a very long time. I just wish that they would WAKE UP, as I did.

I know, it's as if the LLL believe that since they do all the "right" things, think all the "right" stuff, know it all, that they are immune from anyone "hating" them. For them, arrogance is bliss.

242 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:15:17pm
243 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:15:40pm

#228 Amalie
;)

244 Bob's Kid  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:15:43pm
Now I’m thinking to myself, who gets the front row. I would try to get up front. Who want to be behind Achmed or Moe’s stinky ass ? And how does Moe concentrate on his worshiping. I would be preoccupied worrying that I might be offending the guy behind me! Or worse the Moe behind me is finding his view quite pleasing !

What I find so funny about this (and I have been in a mosque, or as they call it, a masjid) is that muslim men are NOT supposed to sleep on their stomach. This is to prevent satan (pronounced say-TON)from buggering them in their sleep. However--they don't seem to have any problem praying with their hienies up in the air--row after row of provocatively proferred heinies--and I would think that would be an irresistable temptation to the wiley sodomizer 5 times a day.

So I ask my muslim friend about this. She says it's 'different'. Okay say I, HOW is it different?

She changes the subject, because I don't understand--it's that arabic thing, you know.

245 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:15:46pm

Ploome

Halooo!

246 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:16:29pm

Zulubaby

Hi Zulubabe...

Amalie*

247 ratherdashing  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:17:45pm

233 Quella
Also, LGF has had an effect, if I should say so myself. What shocks me is how seemingly normal people will think there is a moral equivalence between Israel and Hizby.

This still shocks me as well. There is a very broad definition of terrorism floating around nowadays. Military action, sponsored by a state, within the bounds of international law, with uniformed combatants no less has been called "terrorism" by the liberals.

248 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:17:55pm

238 Mich-again

Wow... thanks for that link..

249 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:18:00pm

Killgore Trout #237:

I said it before, I will say it again.

Within the decade, the fringe conspiracy theory that 9/11 was planned by Bush/Israel/neocons/etc will no longer be a fringe.

It happened with the JFK conspiracy theory. It will happen with the 9/11 conspiracy theory.

I hate to say this, but that is where I see this country heading.

And I want to add that Oliver Stone already said that he is thinking of making a 9/11 film from the perspective of conspiracy theorists.

250 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:18:23pm

#238 mich-again

That's threadworthy in itself -- might e-mail Charles with that...

251 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:19:10pm

OT, but Atlas has this on her blog..a petition for the confirmation of John Bolton. Please sign it, and send it to all your family and friends.

Thanks!

252 dead sea squirrel  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:20:05pm

238 mich-again

THAT is worth its own post. Another smoking gun. Emailed Charles?

253 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:20:06pm
254 dead sea squirrel  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:21:15pm

350 ctp

Great minds...

255 dead sea squirrel  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:22:26pm

aaugh. 250
pimf

256 hans ze beeman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:22:36pm

OT: Norway up in arms after author claims Israel has lost its right to exist

An article in a leading Norwegian newspaper last weekend lambasted Israel and Judaism and said Israel has lost its right to exist in its present form.

Entitled "God's chosen people," the article by author Jostein Gaarder in Aftenposten is raising a storm in Norway. Gaarder, author of the book "Sophie's World," links the Israel Defense Forces' acts in Lebanon to Jewish history and foresees the coming dismantling of the state as it exists today, with the Jews becoming refugees.

In an interview with Haaretz Gaarder said yesterday that he was misunderstood. "As John Kennedy declared in Germany 'I am a Berliner' - I say now 'I am a Jew,'" he said.

Responses are clear:

Gaarder's article 'a hope for peace', says Walid al-Kubaisi

Walid al-Kubaisi has been a prominent writer in Norway, and has expressed his opposition to fundamentalist Islam on several occasions. Now he strongly supports Jostein Gaarder's provocative attack on recent Israeli actions in the Middle East, and has sent a translation to leading Arab culture desks.

"Some time in the future Norwegians will say: Why did we react so strongly to Gaarder? I do not support Hezbollah. For the same reason I cannot support Israel. To kill children is a criminal act. How can the world accept what is happening? As a humanist I feel honored to read a Norwegian humanist who distances himself from the concept of God's chosen people. It is racist to claim that some are chosen, it means that God has rejected the rest," al-Kubaisi said.

257 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:22:51pm
258 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:23:03pm

#249 Quella 8/12/2006 02:18PM PDT

Killgore Trout #237:

I said it before, I will say it again.

Within the decade, the fringe conspiracy theory that 9/11 was planned by Bush/Israel/neocons/etc will no longer be a fringe.

I hope I am still here in 10 years to laugh at them.

259 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:23:09pm

#252 dead sea squirrels

Fantabulous minds...

260 mich-again  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:23:34pm

Another bullshit caption. geeze. link The vehicle being towed was allegedly damaged by an Israeli drone, which somehow shot its tires out without actually hitting the truck.

261 realwest  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:23:46pm

#232 rayra - "It is entirely unethical..." that about sums up the print media part of the Ancient Media about as well as anything could.

262 EC Marm  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:23:47pm

#183 NoSubmission
Checked out your pics, nice. A little Farsi on the building sign in the background would be a nice touch. Here is my submission. Now, the room was a little dark and there was a little dust on the image, but except for that it is 100% real!

[Link: i89.photobucket.com...]

263 transient  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:23:55pm

#247 ratherdashing

Seems to me the left has turned the definition of terrorism precisely on its head. A terrorist is now someone in uniform, sponsored by a state, who accidentally kills a civilian in a legitimate military operation.

If, on the other hand, you do not wear a uniform and specifically target civilians, but have a gripe like "occupation," or "offensive cartoons," or "insufficiently fluffy toilet paper," you are a valiant resistance fighter.

264 windybon  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:24:48pm

Bill Kristol was on FNC a few minutes ago talking about Bugs Bunny Democrats: all carrot no stick. He said maybe he shouldn't insult Bugs Bunny, but the Dems just wanted to offer carrots, and Kristol felt we had offered lots of carrots and not enough stick to places like Iran.

265 Bob's Kid  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:25:09pm

Nana! Are you still on! How is your daughter?!

266 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:26:50pm

transient #263:

I think you just summed things up rather well!

267 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:27:12pm

256 hans

As a humanist I feel honored to read a Norwegian humanist who distances himself from the concept of God's chosen people

So let me get this straight? This man voiced his concerns about fundamental Muslims, this Muslim? But now he has decided that Israel has no right to exist.

I find it nonsensical for a Muslim to be a Humanist unless Humanist means total annihilation of the Jews.

268 christheprofessor  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:27:15pm

#264 windobon

I've never heard the term "Bugs Bunny Democrats" but it fits perfectly -- did he just coin that?

269 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:28:42pm

OT: Everybody vote!

[Link: www.instapundit.com...]

270 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:29:19pm
#260 mich-again

Another bullshit caption. geeze. link The vehicle being towed was allegedly damaged by an Israeli drone, which somehow shot its tires out without actually hitting the truck.

And deliberately cropped to make the viewer think that the burned out wreck the truck is being towed past is the vehicle damaged by the drone. What IDIOTS!

Hey Reuters, better do something about the picture in a big hurry. No missile ever once hit that flat tired truck. BTW, we have screen shots. RETRACT.

271 Jamie Irons  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:30:11pm

French Foreign Minister Douche-Blasé comments:

Si vous me permettez, je voudrais make a few remarks about this passage:

It’s worth noting in this context that there is no similar flow of propagandistic images coming from the Israeli side of the border. That’s because one side — the democratically elected government of Israel — views death as a tragedy and the other — the Iranian financed terrorist organization Hezbollah — sees it as an opportunity.

Quand a la France, we see this as rather unfair to the...comment dit-on? what vous americains persist in calling the Hizbullards -- "terrorists"? oui, c'est ça...unfair to the "terrorists," because when the Israelis drop un bombe sur les Lebanonés, c'est toujours one of these super-accurate munitions guidées,-- whereas les pauvres Hizbullards n'ont que des very inaccurate rockets, which, when they -- tragiquement, bien sur -- kill the Israelis, c'est completely an accident. C'est pas la même chose!

Jamie Irons

272 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:30:37pm

Amalie, Shalom :-)

273 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:31:51pm

Zulubaby

Shalom!

274 So?  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:36:44pm

OT ALERT


Israel to Halt War in Lebanon on Monday

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

Great... scuds/rockets flying haphazardly killing Jews isn't in the best interest of the world.

When Hezbullah will have new improved guided missiles with 100 to 500 lbs. warheads, that can accurately target and obliterate more Jews per explosion, then the UN will undoubtedly go on vacation and "cease fire" will disappear from their lexicon.

Thank you Bush, Thanks Condi, Thanks Bolton!

275 dead sea squirrel  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:36:51pm

253 ploome hineni

From your link, comments by a professional photojournalist:

i have been working in lebanon since all this started, and seeing the behavior of many of the lebanese wire service photographers has been a bit unsettling. while hajj has garnered a lot of attention for his doctoring of images digitally, whether guilty or not, i have been witness to the daily practice of directed shots, one case where a group of wire photogs were coreographing the unearthing of bodies, directing emergency workers here and there, asking them to position bodies just so, even remove bodies that have already been put in graves so that they can photograph them in peoples arms. these photographers have come away with powerful shots, that required no manipulation digitally, but instead, manipulation on a human level, and this itself is a bigger ethical problem.

whatever the case is—lack of training, a personal drive as a photographer to show what is happening to your country in as powerful a way as possible, or all out competitiveness, i think that the onus is on the wire services themselves, because they act as the employer/filter of their photogs work. standards should be in place or else the rest of us end up paying the price. and i’m not against the idea of local wire photographers, but after seeing it over and over for the past month, i think it is something that is worth addressing. while i walk away from a situation like that, one wire shooter sets up a situation, and the rest of them follow…...

by Bryan Denton Fri Aug 11 07:36:08 UTC 2006 | Beirut, Lebanon

*cough* hard to breathe *cough* with all these smoking guns *cough*.

276 hans ze beeman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:36:53pm

#267: Amalie

Yep. The twisted logic of "humanists".

"I'm a humanist, but Israel must be destroyed."
That's what they say. What is wrong with these people?

277 jehu  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:36:56pm

Why would anyone have as part of their name "Douche?" Why do we still pretend France is an ally? They are a part of the other side. Wait, if we come right out and say France is an enemy, then Quebec will become very angry and declare war on Michigan.

Just like we cannot label Islam the enemy, cause Saudi Arabi won't help us anymore, and will start funding Whabbism all over the world. It's been working pretty well in Europe who will NOT even name that terrorists are Muslims...fearing that Muslims might become terrorists...I get it. Brilliant!

278 mich-again  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:37:19pm

And in a very rare photo of wounded Israeli troops, the caption makes sure you know they were not wounded very seriously. link

A group of not seriously injured Israeli paratroopers arrive in a helicopter at the Rambam hospital in the northern Israeli city of Haifa Saturday Aug. 12, 2006.
279 transient  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:38:29pm

Zulubaby!

How are you?

280 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:39:02pm

Amalie #267:

Here is my take on true Muslim humanists.

Good Muslims are in the minority of the world, and the MAJORITY of Muslims are at the very least anti-semites if not much more. That doesn't mean that the majority of Muslims are warring or violent. The majority are what I would call somewhat peacefully antisemitic. That is my belief, based on extensive reading of public opinion polls, extensive reading in general, and extensive chats with actual Muslims.

I didn't always think this way, but an antisemitic "moderate Muslim" friend of mine showed me the truth.

There are good Muslims out there. I am the first to highlight them! These Muslims are found on such blogs such as Sandmonkey, Big Pharoah, Vox, Lebanese Political Journal, Mechanical Crowds, Zeyad, Iraq the Model, Leilouta, Saudi Jeans, Al-Fil, and Amarji - amongst others!

These people, and people like them, should be emboldened and supported, but they are not getting the support they deserve.

This is tragic and shameful.

But to pretend that people like them are anything other than a minority of Muslims is to be blind to the state of the world.

The moderates are often moderate in name only. When you have 90% of British Muslims saying they consider themselves Muslim first, British second, and 25% of them say 7/7 was justified, I would love to see the vast swath of wonderfully peaceful Muslims.

All public opinion polls show extensive anti-semitism among "moderate Muslims."

It seems a "moderate Muslim" is one who is not literally a member of a terror group. That is hardly truly "moderate" to me. I do know that there is a significant minority of Muslims who want to speak out and want peace - but they are terrified into submission because they know they will be killed if they speak out. I regularly chat with Egyptians in Egypt who fit that bill.

What needs to happen is that the West needs to support the TRULY moderate Muslims when they speak out. This is not happening as it should. The West needs to protect the lives of those who wish to make the world a better place - again, not happening. This is a failure of foreign policy for Bush and friends. It is part of why I hardly call myself a Bush supporter.

Another thing that needs to happen is to radically change the education system for Muslims. They are being taught hate practically since birth, and it is the schooling system that has much to blame for this. Again, little has been done to change the schooling systems.

There are some ways to de-hatify the Muslim world, but it will take a generational change to accomplish anything, by this point in time.

281 realwest  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:39:12pm

#264 windybon - Hi windybon! I love that phrase
"Bugs Bunny Democrats: all carrot no stick." It's so, so...fitting of Democrats generally!
How have you been doing lately? Is it still sweltering in the Great Plains?

282 jpsfudimo  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:40:48pm

Here is a link to military photos dot net.

Some good pics here

283 jehu  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:41:18pm

So?

When Hezbullah will have new improved guided missiles with 100 to 500 lbs. warheads, that can accurately target and obliterate more Jews per explosion, then the UN will undoubtedly go on vacation and "cease fire" will disappear from their lexicon.

Don't worry we have people right here on this blog that were in on the wording of the Resolution, and what it really means is that Israel will totally annihilate Hezbollah, Olmert will undergo a sex change operation on Sunday, and on Monday the IDF will "kick ass!"

284 Thanos  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:41:43pm
anyone seen the people marching in San Fran today?

on FOX

/hoping Zombie is getting good shots

285 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:42:57pm

jpsfudimo #282:

Amazing photos!

286 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:43:00pm

Zulubaby

Yeez'c'reym Eloheynu l'tovah eem sh'ar tzadeekay olam.
V-yeenkom l'eyneynu neekmat dam avadayv ha-shafookh.
Ka-katoov b'Torat Moshe, eesh ha-Eloheem,
Ha-r'neenu goyeem amo, kee avadayv yeekom
v'nakam yasheev l'tzrayv;
v'keeper ad'mato amo.

287 EC Marm  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:43:02pm

#269 FrogMarch
OT: Everybody vote!
[Link: www.instapundit.com...]

Latest Results:
McCain/Lieberman 13%
Giuliani/Romney 87%

Interesting...

288 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:43:38pm

From Ploome's link the part I have bolded is in bold in the original

This post by LS Bryan Denton now confirms some of the questions about the staging of photos. While I personally have come to the conclusion that all of this is secondary to the horror of this war, the idea that this is going on in Lebanon is unsavory and undercuts the work of all photographers, including those who I am certain find this distasteful and do not want to participate in it. I am glad that someome had the courage to come foward and speak openly about this—and its understandable why anyone still in the field wouldn’t. Here is the post:

i have been working in lebanon since all this started, and seeing the behavior of many of the lebanese wire service photographers has been a bit unsettling. while hajj has garnered a lot of attention for his doctoring of images digitally, whether guilty or not, i have been witness to the daily practice of directed shots, one case where a group of wire photogs were coreographing the unearthing of bodies, directing emergency workers here and there, asking them to position bodies just so, even remove bodies that have already been put in graves so that they can photograph them in peoples arms. these photographers have come away with powerful shots, that required no manipulation digitally, but instead, manipulation on a human level, and this itself is a bigger ethical problem.

whatever the case is—lack of training, a personal drive as a photographer to show what is happening to your country in as powerful a way as possible, or all out competitiveness, i think that the onus is on the wire services themselves, because they act as the employer/filter of their photogs work. standards should be in place or else the rest of us end up paying the price. and i’m not against the idea of local wire photographers, but after seeing it over and over for the past month, i think it is something that is worth addressing. while i walk away from a situation like that, one wire shooter sets up a situation, and the rest of them follow…...

by Bryan Denton Fri Aug 11 07:36:08 UTC 2006 | Beirut, Lebanon

289 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:43:51pm

Hi transient, I'm fine, so long as I don't read the crap that passes for news on Google. How are you doing?

As if the ruthless air attacks on Lebanese civilians weren't enough, Israel has been using illegal cluster munitions in populated areas of that country. Human Rights Watch researchers working on the ground in Lebanon have confirmed that an attack with cluster bombs was carried out on the village of Blida on July 19, killing one and wounding at least 12 civilians, including seven children.

How I loathe the media.

290 Buckeye Abroad  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:44:32pm

OT: It was revealed yesterday that the german Nobel Prize winner for literature Günter Grass, an out-spoken critic of America and Israel for decades, was a member of the Waffen SS.

Not that it raises eyebrows here.

I thought his writings sucked and wondered how he ever made it as a writer.

291 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:45:07pm

#265 Bob's Kid

She is blossoming, for want of a better word! Thanks for asking..due date is the 19th of September. All of a sudden the date is getting so close!

The 6 year old granddaughter is so excited. We were taking care of her the other day, and she asked if she could call her Auntie. She has decided that it is a girl, and told her that she should name the baby 'Olivia'.Where that came from? Not a clue. Daughter was having a very hard time not breaking up.The 4 year old understands, but not at the level the 6 year old does.

We are now at the point that every time the phone rings, we jump! Last ultra sound is next week.6 year old asked my daughter to send it to her in an email..I know what that bandit is looking for.:) Daughter and son in law do not want to know ahead of time.

292 Amalie  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:45:32pm

#276 hans ze beeman 8/12/2006 02:36PM PDT

#267: Amalie

Yep. The twisted logic of "humanists".

"I'm a humanist, but Israel must be destroyed."
That's what they say. What is wrong with these people?

Hans

They are shedding their "FAUX" Labels faster than the Fauxphotos. They must think it's okay to show their true side. Their timing could be a bit off. At least I hope it is.

293 hans ze beeman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:46:51pm

#290: Buckeye Abroad

lol! I think after this revelation, he will get the Nobel Peace Prize as well.

294 Render  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:47:02pm

#260 Mich

That car did burn, but it doesn't look like it got hit by anything at all. Sheet metal is all straight, no extra holes.

The truck, flat tires and all, doesn't appear to have been hit either. Just another broke down Chevy.

RUSH
HOURS,
R

295 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:48:28pm

Buckeye Abroad #290:

Here is a link to that site translated via Google Translator.

Enjoy!

296 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:48:45pm

And this bit from Ploome's link sounds an awful lot like what the AP spokeswoman said -

Much of the debate about “staging” in Qana can be deflated a good deal by an appreciation of cultural differences. Among many Middle Eastern Muslims the display of the dead is very much a ritual part of dealing with death. Palestinian funeral parades, with or without media present, are a demonstration of this. While the display of the dead may appear callous and disrespectful to many western eyes, it is likely interpreted as a form of honor among those who actually display the dead – an attempt to give meaning to something senseless.

Photographing the display is not necessarily deceiptful, but rather an honest record of the extraordinary ways people react in these terrible circumstances. And a rescue worker displaying a body does not a Media Mogul the rescue worker make. He/She is still a rescue worker. Though the caption for pictures from that portion of the event should read “Rescue workers display the body of…” rather than “Rescue workers remove the body of…”

Furthermore, the sporadic display of bodies at a scene like that shouldn’t allow us to dismiss the event as merely a salvo in the “media war” being waged by “Hizbollah and their jihadi friends” in the “mainstream apologist media.” And none of this changes the essential, and most important fact that a group of photographers put themselves at great risk to show the result of an Israeli air strike on an apartment building that left 28 people – among them 16 children – dead.

I took a gut wrenching tour of LGF and a couple of other blogs that are super-hyping the “staging” issue to an audience of hundreds of thousands in what is a transparent and in some cases explicit attempt to deny the simple fact that an Israeli airstrike killed 16 children in Qana. That assault on the essential truth is a far more reprehensible act of overt media warfare (if there is such a thing) than any angry display of a dead body in the immediate aftermath of an airstrike. Reminds me of those who deny the Holocaust for political purposes.


by Thorne Anderson Fri Aug 11 15:22:47 UTC 2006 (ed. 11-08-06) |

297 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:49:49pm

Iran vows to rein in media in new morality clampdown

Thank G-d I was born in a free society. Imagine being born into a neurotic Islamic state. And really, what would Iran know about morality. Ugh.

Saffar-Harandi said the move would be part of a wider campaign to revive the values of the Islamic revolution in cultural life.

"Unfortunately, we witness inappropriate and wicked manifestations in society today ... But now, you have my word that we will purify the cultural atmosphere," he said in a speech carried live by state radio.

"In the near future, we will not witness an unhealthy cultural product among books, movies, shows, music, etc."

In a bid to combat the "cultural invasion of the West", Iran has long imposed a widely flouted ban on satellite dishes.

Production of music, films and books are also subject to supervision by Saffar-Harandi's ministry.

And since 2000, the hardline judiciary has clamped down on the reformist press, shutting down scores of titles and detaining dozens of journalists.

298 abontje  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:50:12pm

#282 Jehu

Good, Olmert is a pussy, but the IDF is not.

299 zulubaby  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:50:46pm

Layla tov ... must sleep.

300 Bob's Kid  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:51:24pm

Glad to hear it, Nana...I've been praying that all goes perfectly. The longest month of your life, no?!

301 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:52:41pm
302 chazmo  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:53:01pm

#296
"I took a gut wrenching tour of LGF"

303 salt1907  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:53:13pm

I think it is great that we continue to expose these fauxto scandals, but we also have to focus on the forest in addition to the trees. With each new scandal, we have to remind our readers that the quickly accumulating mountain of photoshopped fakes indicates that we can not trust what we see in the MSM. Regardless of whether the news services are intending to lie or what they might do about it or who is at fault etc. etc. etc. . . . we have to press ahead with one theme that will resonate with a wider audience - WE CANNOT TRUST WHAT WE SEE IN THE MSM. If the public at large takes away nothing but that lesson, we will have done our job.

304 transient  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:54:12pm

#299 zb

Layla tov--take a hafsaka from the news for sure!

305 hans ze beeman  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:54:30pm

#290: Buckeye Abroad

English link: "I Was a Member of the SS"

306 So?  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:57:04pm

280 Quella wrote:

It seems a "moderate Muslim" is one who is not literally a member of a terror group. That is hardly truly "moderate" to me. I do know that there is a significant minority of Muslims who want to speak out and want peace - but they are terrified into submission because they know they will be killed if they speak out. I regularly chat with Egyptians in Egypt who fit that bill.


Funny that these so-called "moderate muslims" who live in the US, Canada, and European countries" don't march against Jihadi terrorists. They keep telling us the terrosrists/murderers are a small minority, yet they DO NOT SPEAK OUT. What are they worried about? I can understand living in the middle-east and speaking out.

So until I see moderate muslims (oxymorons) marching in the streets of America, Canada and Europe against these thugs who have usurped their religion (according to the BS media propaganda) I will consider the majority of Muslims in the Western World to be totally Anti-Semetic. Jew-haters...

If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

307 realwest  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 12:58:52pm

#290 Buckeye Abroad - I'll have to take your word for it since I don't read whatever language that is, but I'm happy to do that, cause I know you are a truthteller!

#295 Quella - Sorry, your linky now says "ERROR";
Google News"

308 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:00:31pm

So? #306:

I completely agree with you.

There are good organizations within the US, such as the American Islamic Congress, but they are in the minority, let's face it.

309 realwest  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:00:58pm

#305 hans ze beeman -AHA - I told y'all that Buckaroo was a Truthteller!
Thanks much hans! Nice to read about this pos in English and really understand how BIG a pos he is!

310 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:01:31pm

Realwest #307:

hans ze beeman #305 has an English link!

311 galloping granny  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:03:02pm
#291 NY Nana
She has decided that it is a girl, and told her that she should name the baby 'Olivia'.W

Maybe you should listen to her. Long long ago I learned that I would soon have a baby brother - at least according to my mother & the doctor. I wanted two little sisters - no stinking brother for me. So my mother and I fought for months, she insisting the doctor said it was a boy and me swearing (at 4) that G_d had told me I was going to have two little sisters.

So, one Sunday afternoon we went for a ride and dropped my mother at the hospital. Dad called me the next morning at Grandma's to tell me that I had in fact gotten two little baby sisters. The grownups were all amazed. The doctors were flabbergasted, but I was quite content to say "Of course. I told you G_d said he would send me two baby sisters."

312 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:03:03pm

#296 galloping granny

Much of the debate about “staging” in Qana can be deflated a good deal by an appreciation of cultural differences.

'Scuse me?

What she seems to be saying, without coming out and saying it, is that they're inherent liars by upbringing, and this is to be expected. That might explain, but it doesn't excuse.

313 mardukhai  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:05:26pm

It's Tim, not the Times. Tim is an Irish Jew. (No kidding! I know him.)

Frankly, I don't know how he's able to keep his job.

Take a look at today's op-ed nonsense. Useless propaganda.

Or Kim Murphy's idiotic story a few days ago that hinted that Israel's goal in the war is grabbing Litani River water (which, naturally, now flows into the sea).

The LAT is hopeless.

314 realwest  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:07:09pm

#305 hans ze beeman - from your link, a potential real gem:

"More amusing than sensational is Grass's recollection of a boy named Joseph, with whom he spent time in a prisoner-of-war camp. When asked whether this 17-year-old was in fact the man who became Pope Benedict XVI, Grass says: "He became my friend and we played dice together. I had managed to smuggle my dice shaker into the camp. (...) I wanted to be an artist and he was interested in a career in the church. He seemed a little shy, but he was a nice guy."

Like Grass, Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, was in fact imprisoned at Germany's Bad Aibling camp. Whether the Vatican will comment on Grass's recollections remains to be seen.

315 So?  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:08:56pm

#308 Quella


Have they ever marched in the streets?
Have they ever demonstrated against their terrorist brethern?
Have they carried placards against terrorists blowing up innocent Jews?


The car swarms palestinians get coverage anytime they want. As have the Hez-bull-ah
I've never hear of the organization you mentioned.

Let them take to the streets. And STAND UP for their religion.

When I see them on the front page of mainstream media & TV , I'll know they are seriously "moderate"

316 antisocial_ist  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:11:28pm

#297 zulubaby 8/12/2006 02:49PM PDT

"Iran vows to rein in media in new morality clampdown"


This is a big opening for the West. You know how youth hates being told what to do..

Have stealth fighters in a lightning blitz drop thousands of DVDs over Tehran and other major cities, tailored to the youth. Show them the absurdity and danger of their regime, discuss the brutality inflicted on Iranian youth who disobey the mullahs, explain the freedoms democracies can have, throw in some music videos, explain that the same mullahs making the draconian rules and making their lives miserable are the ones leading Iran to destruction, and tell them that when the time comes the U.S. will support the young people of Iran. Make sure that the narrators are young, attractive, bilingual Persian-Americans.

Might be pie in the sky, but you know that some of these discs will get to the youth underground and the hidden DVD players and then put on the net and you know the message will get out.

The very fact that the mullahs will threaten death to anyone found with a copy of the DVD will spark the youthful sense of rebellion they already feel, by many accounts.

We need PsyOps badly, as the Iranian youth can be our greatest ally.

317 bweep  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:13:33pm

LA Times: Take a Closer Look

I know this is a turn up for the books. And I know we're supposedly a bunch of right wing conspiracy theory nuts, (though I've yet to see any of the MSM commentators tell me what theory I'm supposed to be peddling). And I know I'm supposed to applaud a supposed 'professional' journalist for finally posing these questions. But it's a sad state of affairs when the agencies who are supposed to be reporting THE NEWS even have to have this discussion. It's even sadder when people like Tim Rutten who are in the business basically acknowledge that most of his colleagues will ignore the issue.

Stick with us Mr. Rutten. We aren't a bunch of lunatics. We are simply dissatisfied customers of the MSM. We debunk conspiracy theories here. We don't create them. Check in from time to time and see if that isn't so. Oh and as far as us having extreme opinions on Reuters, it's a bit difficult for us to remain impartial when they send us death threats by email.

318 EC Marm  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:15:10pm

Cool, time travel. This post is from tomorrow. Mentions lgf repeatedly:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

319 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:15:16pm

So? #315:

Go to their website. They are dedicated against terror as a public policy. I also have a friend who will be working for them, who knows the AIC leadership very well and himself is dedicated against terror as his reason d'etre.

There have been marches and demonstrations around the world against terror. But sadly, the demonstrations have been sparsely attended and certainly nothing on the level of the pro-terror demonstrations.

As I said, there is a minority of Muslims who are dedicated against terror. My concern is that this is a MINORITY of Muslims, and they are not speaking out as they should be.

320 Bob's Kid  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:16:25pm
I told you G_d said he would send me two baby sisters."

That's a great story!

321 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:20:03pm

#319 Quella

Might I suggest that one of the reasons that we hear so little from them is that they don''t get the generous funding that islamist organizations like CAIR get from the oil barons? Another reason might be that they don't get the time of day from the MSM. When the MSM seeks a spokeshole that represents muslims in America, where do they always go, without fail? That's right; Hamas North America, a.k.a. CAIR.

322 Quella  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:21:00pm

E2M #321:

I agree with you completely. It's really quite tragic.

323 VoiceInTheWilderness  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:29:53pm

There is so much emotion around the issue of photographic integrity because visuals were the last "pure and unbiased" reporting offered by the MSM. Pictures don't lie and they tell a thousand words.

Hah! Forget that idea.

The bias in the "penmanship" has been evident for a long time. Most people trusted photos, however.

No more! No mas. The king is dead!

324 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:35:33pm

#323 VoiceInTheWilderness

That's right. And these pics were busted only because they were incredably sloppy, amateurish alterations. A good graphic artist would have pulled it off, and the best analyst in the world wouldn't have been able to tell.

I think the day is rapidly coming when photographic evidence will no longer be admissable in court, because it's so easily manipulated.

325 EC Marm  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:43:20pm

Fox news on right now talking about photo quackery. LGF mentioned.

326 Geepers  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:47:26pm

mich-again (#238),

Thanks for the link.

More conclusive proof that AP ain't a news agency.

327 mich-again  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:52:20pm

326 Geepers

Thanks, geeps. I hope Charles sees that one..

328 VoiceInTheWilderness  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:54:00pm

#324 Earth2moonbat

I have read that there is technology to determine whether a digital photograph has been altered. Without some reliable form of validation about tampering, photographic evidence would not hold up in court. Don't hold your breath waiting for the MSM to push for this kind of validation technology.

329 ggt  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 1:54:34pm

#251 nana --

I did it and sent emails

330 Geepers  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 2:04:18pm

mich-again (#260),

Another bullshit caption. geeze. link The vehicle being towed was allegedly damaged by an Israeli drone, which somehow shot its tires out without actually hitting the truck.

That and the pic in #238 must be the fake photos that go with this article:

Israel attacks convoy fleeing south Lebanon

They said the convoy that had left the Israeli-occupied town of Marjayoun earlier in the day was targeted by at least one drone near the wine-making village of Kefraya in the eastern Bekaa Valley.

"The night sky suddenly lit and we heard an explosion toward the leading cars of the convoy. I first thought it was a blown tire," said Reuters reporter Karamallah Daher, who was in the convoy.

"Cars sped in every direction and some crashed into ditches near the road," said Daher, who counted five rockets.

Just one little problem:

The Israeli army said it was not aware of any attack on a convoy and was checking the report.

Is Karamallah Daher from Marjayoun related to Salam Daher (Green Helmet Guy) from Marjayoun?

331 Earth2moonbat  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 2:07:53pm

#328 VoiceInTheWilderness

I think what's going to have to happen is they will have to develop cameras with encrypted write-only memories, so that whatever is downloaded into the court's computer has to come directly from one of these cards, which can't be altered. The courts have to start demanding it first, though.

332 Nahanni  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 2:45:31pm
Failure to follow up on it would be worse than churlish; it would be irresponsible.

They have gone way past irresponsible. The MSM is the propaganda wing of the Islamofascists.

They should take a good look at the cities these guys had targeted, most of the members of the MSM live in them. Wonder if they would have gotten 72 virgins if these guys had carried the attack out?

333 Adam Corgune  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 2:46:17pm

So, who's going to pick up the tab to rebuild Lebanon?

334 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 2:48:21pm

#291 Bob's Kid

It seems to be longer for my daughter, for some reason! :)

Thanks for the prayers...

#329 galloping granny

Maybe you should listen to her. Long long ago I learned that I would soon have a baby brother - at least according to my mother & the doctor. I wanted two little sisters - no stinking brother for me. So my mother and I fought for months, she insisting the doctor said it was a boy and me swearing (at 4) that G_d had told me I was going to have two little sisters.

I was an only child...but as a mother of 4, oh can I relate to this..when I was in labor with the 'baby', who will be 34 on Monday, and going into the labor room, the last thing I heard was from my daughter (who is the pregnant one, and my only daughter) yelling 'if it's another boy, don't come home!'. Oh, do I tease her still, as she was a wonderful big sister. For some reason, granddaughter , my 2 daughters in law, and I all think it is a girl...daughter thinks it is a boy. One of us is right.And knowing how sure the 6 year old is, she had better be right! We would be very happy, also, with a grandson. But my daughter will have a lot of 'splainin' to do to her niece!

Bottom line? We just pray to G-d that it will be a healthy baby! Funny, when you are getting close to age 70, you don't want life to go speeding quite as much as it sems to, but in this case? For my daughter, I am giving it a pair of skates.BTW, I love your family history!

#329 ggt

Thanks! I hope they go over the top with signatures.

335 _remembertonyc  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 3:52:24pm

I hope Charles gets more than "15 minutes" of fame. He deserves much more airtime than that!

336 BigZ  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 4:55:09pm
It’s worth noting in this context that there is no similar flow of propagandistic images coming from the Israeli side of the border. That’s because one side — the democratically elected government of Israel — views death as a tragedy and the other — the Iranian financed terrorist organization Hezbollah — sees it as an opportunity.


I say we do all we can to arrange for as many muslims as possible to be sent off to meet their virgins.

It's a win-win situation.
They're happy.
We're even happier.

337 antisocial_ist  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 5:13:26pm

#333 Adam Corgune 8/12/2006 04:46PM PDT

"So, who's going to pick up the tab to rebuild Lebanon?"

***

Hopefully NO one does until Lebanon presents a "business plan" to the rest of the world.

As in "if you give us this and this, we will make such and such reforms."

No one has to accept the business plan.

Oh - the codocil: Any country that accepts a plan that includes Hizb'allah gets placed on the WOT hit list.

And any country such as Syria or Iran who gets in the way of the Lebanese plan for self-government gets hit very hard.

Of course, since many of the Lebanese support Hizb'allah, you come back to civil war.

Bottom line, the only way to run a decent, civilized country, is to purge the Islamofascists.

There is no way around this cold, hard fact of World War IV.

338 antisocial_ist  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 5:16:11pm

Nothing will move forward until the free world outlaws Hizb'allah, just as was done with the National Socialists in Germany.

As in - join or support Hizb'allah anywhere in the world: go to jail.

339 antisocial_ist  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 5:20:12pm

Also, we are going to have to revive the Domino Theory for WWIV. Every country that falls to Islamofascism endangers the free world.

So, should Lebanese Christians flee, and give Lebanon over to the Islamofascists?

340 mattm  Sat, Aug 12, 2006 6:06:56pm
THE controversy this week over Reuters' distribution of digitally manipulated, falsely labeled and — probably — staged photos of the fighting in Lebanon hasn't been nearly as large as it should have been.

Someone from the MSM who makes sense. This dosen't happen often.

341 BabbaZee  Sun, Aug 13, 2006 4:16:38am

#193 Cartman

To me, that is the gist of the conflict we all face. The world is full of unhappy people. Some for good reason, others for no tangible reason at all. I see daily the left in this country, and in other Western nations bitch and moan and wail about "injustice". The hard fact is that so many of these malcontents have been blessed with lives of relative comfort and security. Most of them have absolutely no concept with respect to what true suffering entails. A life lacking moral integrity and purpose is...a life lacking. Ever notice how most (not all) Lizards seem to be relatively content and certain of their purpose in life? And when you mix in a healthy dose of humor, you catch a glimpse of people who enjoy their lives. Go over to the "dark side" at DU, Huffer or KOS, and one immediately recognizes the human dichotomy. Angst, barely contained anger, and abject pessimism. We choose not to set foot upon the precipice of that abyss.

AMEN CARTMAN!

342 BigZ  Sun, Aug 13, 2006 4:30:17am

#339 antisocial_ist

Also, we are going to have to revive the Domino Theory for WWIV. Every country that falls to Islamofascism endangers the free world.

So, should Lebanese Christians flee, and give Lebanon over to the Islamofascists?


Way too accurate - and a very scary proposition. We need to wake up and dump all this PC b-s and get with the program.

Mark Steyn, as usual, hits the nail on the head with his column today:

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

343 zulubaby  Sun, Aug 13, 2006 6:04:14am
In the United Kingdom, 7 percent of Muslims consider themselves British first, 81 percent consider themselves Muslim first.

Wow.

Thanks for the link, BigZ. Mark Steyn is phenomenal.

344 toddhisattva  Sun, Aug 13, 2006 9:07:40am

#69 antisocial_ist

What is needed in journalism is an impartial organization of ombudsmen, highly trained in detecting Photoshop artifacts.

They should be well-rounded in all aspects of digital (and pre-digital) imaging.

Because when the only tool you have is Photoshop, the whole world looks like a fraud.

345 cmaher  Sun, Aug 13, 2006 2:47:22pm

Thank God for Tim Ruttan. Finally someone at the LA Times has the cajones to print the truth. For many years - we have had to endure the LA Times anti-Israel bias. Its just a shame so few media outlets believe in facts any longer

346 EE  Sun, Aug 13, 2006 5:45:14pm

Excellent article by Tim Rutten.


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