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Associated Press Go-To Guy: Hard Core Radical Islamist

Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 9:20:48 am PDT

One of the most insidious and deceptive mainstream media practices is quoting radical Islamists (or radical leftists) as “experts” without providing any context to evaluate their statements.

Here’s a prime example in an Associated Press article by William J. Kole, promoting the nonsensical, ahistorical view that US/British “foreign policy” is somehow to blame for the global jihad: Plot Shows Rise of Extremism in Europe.

To advance this theory (which is really a thinly veiled threat), Kole opened his Rolodex and found an “expert” to opine on the matter—Azzam Tamimi, one of the most hard-core Islamists currently operating in Britain. But you won’t find this out from Kole’s article.

Little is known of what may have motivated the 23 suspects in British police custody to allegedly plot to blow up U.S.-bound jetliners with liquid explosives. But many in their middle and working class neighborhoods said the communities have become alienated by U.S. and British policy in the Middle East.

“Governments in Europe insist this is a problem of ideology, but the real cause of this phenomenon is the political crisis that is sweeping the world with the war in Iraq and the situation in Palestine,” said Azzam Tamimi, director of the London-based Institute of Islamic Political Thought.

Like the Sept. 11 terror attacks, the London bombings on July 7, 2005, “should have been lessons for everybody _ that government policies endanger the security of everyone,” Tamimi said. “The root cause has never been addressed. Unless they open a debate, the threat will never go away.”

Since the Associated Press wants you to accept this radical Islamic propaganda as a legitimate argument, here’s some context on Azzam Tamimi from a video shot on July 10, 2006 in London, raving and screaming in front of pictures of Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah and the Ayatollah Khomeini, calling Israel a “cancer that must be eradicated,” and praising the virtues of jihad:

UPDATE at 8/14/06 9:54:30 am:

Azzam Tamimi also shows up today on NPR’s Morning Edition: British Muslims Call for a Change in Foreign Policy. (Hat tip: wrenchwench.)

UPDATE at 8/14/06 11:05:00 am:

Jeff Goldstein is noticing The pattern in the cArPet.

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1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:22:47am

Anybody's an "expert" if they tell the media exactly what they want to hear.

2 solomonpanting  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:24:28am

Yeah, remember all of the terrorist attacks in the world after the US invaded Korea and Vietnam?

3 AG in Houston  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:24:43am

Using foreign policy as the excuse for terrorist attacks is simply a thinly veiled request to the lowest form of hatred:

"If you just let us kill all the Jews in "Israel", then we would all live in peace.

4 Liz Ard  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:24:51am

Insidious & deceptive.

Good adjectives to describe MSM behaviour.

5 barryg  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:25:32am

Don't be foolish. The left wing media knows exactly what they are doing. Truth, lies, it doesn't matter to our enemy (i.e. the left and the mohammed-worshippers). All is legitimate when its for the greater good of advancing the Jihad.

6 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:25:34am
7 m  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:26:25am

None of that matters to AP. They have their own agenda >:[

8 arclight  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:26:59am

Dhimmi, thy name is (azz)Kole....

9 solomonpanting  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:27:47am

6 taxfreekiller

Kerry will release his records when OJ finds the real killer.

10 Frank_Mtl  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:28:09am

The video clip is eloquent. A peaceful man preaching to the choir, complete with Neturei Karta pseudo-jews.

11 mayweed  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:28:09am

Just like Islam itself, the MSM is a 'cancer that needs to be eradicated'.

12 solomonpanting  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:28:54am
Little is known of what may have motivated the 23 suspects in British police custody to allegedly plot to blow up U.S.-bound jetliners with liquid explosives.

Pssssst. It's in the Koran.

13 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:28:59am

Wow a regular Hubert Humphrey of moderation and liberal understanding.

14 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:29:49am

"British foreign policy" my ass.

Even Ghandi could not make peace with the islamists.

And here's what the Brits need to do to the airline "plotters":

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk:80...]

15 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:30:16am

What would have happened if those 10 or so planes actually fell out of the sky? I think the New York Times and some on the left should be very thankful that this plot was foiled.

16 RBMN  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:30:17am

Azzam Tamimi probably thinks rape is caused by the woman's failure to "lay back and enjoy it."

17 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:30:28am

.


Little is known of what may have motivated the 23 suspects

It's not "little", it's short, concise:

THEY ARE MUSLIMS.
AND ISLAM IS A MILITARY-POLITICAL ENTERPRISE SET TO CONQUER THE WORLD AND ENSLAVE THE HUMAN KINS.

Is that "short" ? I think it's 1400 years LONG.

18 Van Impe  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:30:56am
the real cause of this phenomenon is the political crisis that is sweeping the world with the war in Iraq and the situation in Palestine

So Muslims in Europe are so enraged by the fact that Islamic terrorists in Iraq continue to murder innocent Iraqis, that they have no recourse but to become Islamic terrorists themselves and murder innocent Westerners. Even if this were true, where is the logic? (rhetorical question - no answer required)

19 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:30:58am

KINS ?
kind and PIMF

20 Axiom  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:32:32am

I can see the AP headlines now.

"1995 "Opertion Bojinka" a pre-emptive strike against United States for future war with Iraq"

21 Frank_Mtl  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:33:26am

Marginally better than a Galloway tirade.

22 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:34:13am

NPR had Timimi on this morning. No surprise there. Link

23 westoner  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:34:54am

In what way is "western foreign policy" responsible for the jihad in the Philippines, in Thailand, in India, in the Sudan etc..... The overwhelming number of the people suffering at the hands of muslims are not westerners, but non-mulsims in the third world, people the western MSM do not seem to think exist.


It’s not western foreign policy that’s the problem. It’s islam’s policy of violent hostility to every non-islamic culture on planet earth.

24 grayp  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:35:55am

#15 Eric

I think the New York Times and some on the left should be very thankful that this plot was foiled.

Believe me, they are. As far as they're concerned it would have been manna from heaven for Bush.

25 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:37:54am
26 Orbit Rain  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:38:07am
Unless they open a debate, the threat will never go away.

*That* is a threat...send the FBI my way, because here is another terrorist *I* would _have killed_...

I'm also thinking about a popular militia to go and destroy the AP. Let's watch "ammendments" battle it out.

27 bushleague  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:38:49am

This drive me freakin nuts. People in my neighborhood (ultra blue Mass.) who have not developed a distrust of the media, often come to me as the only openly conservitave person they know and shove this crap in my face as proof BushCo. is leading us off the cliff. not all of these people are moonbats. They were raised on the Boston Globe and still believe what they read. What will it take to open some eyes? Some actually quote Jimmy Carter at me. (this part of hood I avoid.)I tell yah it is brutal at times.

28 m  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:39:41am

Hey [[[[[savage]]]]]! How ya doin hon? Can you believe the AP? Blatant in their bias I tell ya.

29 bushleague  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:39:46am

gah! must learn to spell!

30 Geepers  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:40:37am

Say “ah” the Reuters way!

Joan, a freelance writer living in Israel has cited an example of the ubiquity of the engineering of news: her editor at Reuters Medical information group wanted her to spin a medical story into a political one.

“When you’re pitching story ideas, you normally have 5 to 10 of them – instead they wanted me to cover something that really wasn’t a medical story at all.”

The only choice she felt comfortable with was to step away:

One of the reasons I stopped freelancing for Reuters medical Web site: Instead of doing a story about a massive Israeli hospital drill or the discovery of a new drug platform, Reuters wanted me to write about Israel restricting ambulances with pregnant and or sick women and children inside from entering Israel.

She notes that she could sense no specific plans or intent behind this editorial stance.

I tried to explain to the editor the reasoning behind this -- that on occasion, that bombs placed under these people were meant for being smuggled and exploded into Israel. She said no, to use her angle and to forget the "other reason" for this. In other words, never mind the truth.

Hat Tip: grayp.

31 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:41:15am

#24 Grayp

I agree. But I wasn't really thinking of it in a political sense. Tolerance only goes so far. For example, I don't think that 60 min. interview with Ahmadinejad would have aired. I don't think there would have been a single Hizb'Allah flag in sight anywhere in the country. I think the lads at ANSWER would have not been, shall we say, so mischevious as they were over the weekend. Eventually, something so ugly is going to happen that the very tolerant and quiet, even passive American public is going to say enough nonsense - God knows what happens then.

32 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:41:35am

The MSM is trying to get us all killed.

33 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:42:26am

29 bushleague

Don't worry about spelling, I rad you loud and clear.

34 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:42:46am
35 Owl  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:43:21am

Jerusalem Post reporting Hezzballah claims " great victory".

How can we(they, all of us) be so stupid.

While the Army of Darkness rearms, regroups and rekindles it's fire.......the ignorant hope for peace and fail to see the wolf at the door. His front paw and snout full of teeth are already inside it.

We must do more. we just must.

36 hiker  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:43:29am

It's such a crock of sh!t that islamic terrorism is a result of American and British foreign policies (if it were that simple, there would be no jihadi terrorist attacks in India, Russia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, South America, ad infinitum). The fact is islamic terrorism is prescribed in islam itself: it is the duty of all mohammedans to do whatever is necessary to expand islam towards its ultimate goal: total dominance. Islam has NEVER expanded peacefully, or by preaching (except, perhaps, for the "conversions" of inmates in our penal institutions, and they only converted because the islamic "missionaries" promised them the opportunity to strike back at society for revenge). Islam is spread by the sword, and always has been.

37 3 wood  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:44:16am

#6 TFK

Gordon alert,

fe, fi, fo, fum I tfk smell the blood of a
loon liberal near by....


Students should start flocking back to the moonbat factories known as University's this week, so I think we will see a reappearance by the collective known as "Gordon" from some University computer lab any day now.

38 LoafingOaf  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:44:29am

This isn't just stupidity on the part of Kole. He purposely deceives his readers by hiding who the Islamists he quotes are. Disgusting.

39 ddd  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:44:58am

I need help from a Canadian who can call Dave Rutherford show a POS from the Global Policy Forum lied about various resolutions
He said UN resolution 242 required Israel unilateral withdrawal which is an enormous lie it is a as land for peace and final border will change according to British UN ambassador who wrote the article. He can call Stockwell Day office to confirm this. He said hamas has not being involved in terrorist attack since Israel withdrawal. He brought up Sahab farms being part of Lebanon. I am away at 11:30 MDSAT when open line will be on can anybody be available to attack these lies.

40 shug  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:45:23am

Insects

41 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:47:02am

#34 Savage

Blocks of huge cheese wheels ready to blow LOL

I prefer the visual of four husky Nords rolling a monstrous cheese ball up hill towards city hall chanting "Viking Power" like that strongman Svend Karlsen*

[Link: www.power-viking.com...]


*even these kinda guys vote Green Party in Europe - god help us

42 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:47:09am
16 RBMN

Azzam Tamimi probably thinks rape is caused by the woman's failure to "lay back and enjoy it."

Channelling Bobby Knight today?

43 grayp  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:47:28am

Thanks Geepers!

After I posted that, I had some chores to run and was thinking about that piece. I think Joan should have gone balls up and named the editor. Just plain out the woman.

#27 bushleague

I tell yah it is brutal at times.

You wouldn't believe what happened at a dinner party we went to Saturday night. One guest, a woman of about 70, with a Helen Thomas mud-slide face started on Iraq and Bush. (I don't know how to capture her culturally - born in Germany, lived in Romania, Bulgaria, etc.)

So.

"Bush knows NOTHING about democracy! Bush is DICtator! Heil BUSH!" giving the Nazi salute.

My husband caught me in mid-launch over the coffee table.

44 Catttt  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:47:44am

Transcript of a BBC News 24 TV interview of this guys on "Hardtalk." Date - November 2, 2004. Tim Sebastian rakes him back and forth, several times, over the coals.

[Link: www.geocities.com...]

45 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:49:48am

#35 Owl

the Army of Darkness rearms, regroups and rekindles its fire.......the ignorant hope for peace and fail to see the wolf at the door.

Well, the wolf is sitting comfortably in the family room, after buying the media, the politicos and the "intellectuals".

It must just get big enough to eat the whole West. And it will, it will.

Then the Reconquista will start.
But all this is gonna take some time and a lot of blood.
Looks like the West has lost any power to understand in metaphors, it will have to understand directly from the facts.

46 grayp  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:50:20am

#31 Eric

Ah, I see.

I don't think that 60 min. interview with Ahmadinejad would have aired

I saw a note in one of the papers this morning that Iran wanted the entire interview aired w/no editing. CBS has approached C-Span and C-Span has agreed. Tonite at 8 they will air the CBS version, followed by the unedited version.

Should be interesting.

47 Ben Hur  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:52:31am

Just saw on Channel 10 news Israel, that the Italian foreign minister was given a tour of Shi'ite neighborhoods be reps of hizbALLAH.

They plan on playing the victim and victor card at the same time.

Apparently it was be impossible for foreign leaders to visit Lebanon without having "a tour of the destruction."

48 Geepers  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:52:54am

grayp (#43),

After I posted that, I had some chores to run and was thinking about that piece. I think Joan should have gone balls up and named the editor. Just plain out the woman.

I thought the same thing.

I would have said OK, can you give me a good angle to push it from?

And then published her reply for all the world to see.

49 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:52:58am
50 Dianna  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:53:29am

#43 grayp

That's the time when you say, "It must feel good for you to do that again."

Of course, it's a good idea to have an escape route planned in advance.

51 Manker  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:53:43am

Attention to all Jews;

It's now officially time to riot, get all your friends.

We now have to go on a rampage, threaten politicians, burn flags, and generally be obnoxious.

Why?

Iran launches Holocaust cartoon exhibit

An exhibition of more than 200 cartoons about the Holocaust opened Monday as Iran's response to last year's Muslim outrage over a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper.

The display, showing 204 entries from Iran and abroad, was strongly influenced by the views of Iran's hard-line president, Mahoud Ahmadinejad, who drew widespread condemnation last year for calling the Holocaust a "myth" and saying Israel should be destroyed.

One cartoon by Indonesian Tony Thomdean shows the Statue of Liberty holding a book on the Holocaust in its left hand and giving a Nazi-style salute with the other.

Masoud Shojai, director of the host Caricature House, said a jury looked through 1,200 entries received after the contest was announced in February by the co-sponsor, the Iranian newspaper Hamshahri.

Let's get to it, and I call dibs on the first beheadings.

52 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:53:56am

LGF is the collective Winston Churchill

MSM, Chamberlin (sp, of course)

53 Middle-Earth  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:53:57am

The plan to bomb airplanes was a plot made by PM Blair.

YOUNG Welsh Muslims have accused the Government of master-minding this week's plot to blow up transatlantic jets mid-air to justify Tony Blair's war on terror.

Some followers of Islam have claimed the arrest of more than 20 people on suspicion of scheming to kill thousands of passengers travelling to America using liquid explosives is designed to bolster the Prime Minister's flagging credibility over the Iraq and Lebanon-Israel crises.

Speaking to Wales On Sunday last night, members of the Cathays Dar-ul-Isra Muslim Community Centre in Cardiff said it was a ploy to reinforce Mr Blair's alliance with US President George W Bush, who waged war on Saddam Hussein on a discredited claim that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

"I believe this so-called plot is all a fabrication aimed at covering up the actions of George Bush and Tony Blair," said Abdul Ullah, 26. "Sadly, people will believe whatever they are told these days."

Yeah right. We all know that muslims are a very peace loving people.

54 grayp  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:56:40am

#50 Dianna
LOL!

No, when I lose my temper like that - rare, but it happens - like when someone attacks my dog - thoughts of escape usually occur to my target.

55 crazytraveler  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:57:19am

I don't see this seething hatred towards Bush. I mean, if he cured cancer singlehandedly tomorrow, he'd get reamed for not curing AIDS first. If it was the US who broke the plot, we'd have people decrying the loss of civil liberties and illegal wiretaps, etc.

I'm glad to see the AP actually doing some fact checking by getting soundbytes from radical islamists. I used to think that this was just sloppy journalism, but now I see it's something more sinister.

And they say that the Jews control the media! Ha!

56 mattm  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:57:27am

According to the media, a expert is someone who tells you what they waht to hear.

57 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:58:19am

#53 Middle-Earth

Take a look at many of the posts at Huffpo or Kos - a great many, not all, but I'd guess at least half or more think the same thing. They should hang Lamont with this FACT. Some repuglican should make a commercial in Conneticutt pointing out the 9/11 was an inside job" and "Bush and Blair created the London plane bombings" sentinment that his WIDELY held by the nutroots. Not some fringe. Someone needs to point this out to the Democratic party - "Do democrats know what they're party thinks? Don't take my word for, visit their sites and see what they're writing. 9/11 was an inside job."

58 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 7:59:26am

#57 OH, and those hasty spelling errors are free of charge.

59 shug  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:00:19am

#52 Ojoe

LGF is the collective Winston Churchill

MSM, Chamberlin (sp, of course)

or MSM is the coillective Ward Chirchill

60 freya4freedom  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:00:23am
Little is known of what may have motivated the 23 suspects...

Oh pleaaaaaaaaseeeeeeee enough crap!...
ISLAM! ISLAM! ISLAM!
It's the jihad stupid!

61 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:00:39am

For those interested a briefamaterur study of Ahmadinejad.

62 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:00:47am

#47 Ben Hur

Just saw on Channel 10 news Israel, that the Italian foreign minister was given a tour of shi'ite neighborhoods be reps of hizb'aLLAH.

The Italian FM is a frigging commie, he's more than happy to help the islamofascists.

ALL can be done to subvert the West, everything and anything.

63 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:00:56am

57 ECC:

"Do democrats know what they're party thinks? Don't take my word for, visit their sites and see what they're writing. 9/11 was an inside job."

The Democrats are finished.

64 javems  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:03:16am
“The root cause has never been addressed. Unless they open a debate, the threat will never go away.”


The debate:

Them - Submit or die.

Us - You first.

65 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:04:28am
#51 Manker 8/14/2006 09:53AM PDT

Iran launches Holocaust cartoon exhibit

An exhibition of more than 200 cartoons about the Holocaust opened Monday as Iran's response to last year's Muslim outrage over a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper.

A Dane draws cartoons about Muhammed so it follows that the Holocaust is a laughing matter. Is that right?

That's one of the most extreme examples of pretzel logic I've seen in a while. JPN.

66 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:05:01am

#53 Middle-Earth

said Abdul Ullah

And he speaks from...Wales ?
And what the heck is Abadulullalla' doing in Wales ?
Why doesn't he go back to his desert and his goats ?
Why do we tolerate the invasion ?
Why do we tolerate that the invaders speak ?

And for US, in America, DID WE WRITE THE CONSTITUION TO PROTECT THE THE RED-COATS ?

67 Catttt  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:05:19am

54 grayp

LOL!

I understand that. When it comes to those rare moments where flight or fight kicks in, I lean towards fight.

68 loppyd  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:05:52am

It's maddening.

Seriously, I don't get the Left and the MSM's delusional thinking that they would somehow get a pass if a Jihadist was planning to blow up their plane, train, building.

69 therewaslight  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:08:19am

Azzam Timimi video - what's that left arm doing?

70 Greg  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:08:46am

While the Army of Darkness rearms, regroups and rekindles it's fire--(snippet)

----------------------------

Where's Bruce Campbell when we need him?

Give me some sugar baby!

71 mahatma coat  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:10:00am

"unless the root causes are addressed ,THE THREAT WILL NEVER GO AWAY" ....indeed,well at least he's up front about it

72 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:10:07am
73 J.D.  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:11:00am

#43 grayp
No doubt a very good thing your husband was there!

74 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:11:58am

#63 ojoe

Not if the republicans continue to frame it simply as "they're weak on defense." That won't cut it. But someone telling a large audience "do you know that many democrats think 9/11 was an inside job?" That is a wholly different can of worms. Initially, the dems would cry foul. That is where the right would have to hold ground and, instead of backing off, keep repeating "it's true - just visit these popular blogs like Huffpo and dailykos" Make the democrats either disavow or defend the "9/11 was an inside job" types. Either way - it is a win-win. But the repuglicans need to take the gloves off. They're accussed of being ruthless. Maybe it's time they started being just that.

75 J.D.  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:12:17am

#72 ploome
Lemme guess.
We're to assume it's our fault.

76 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:13:16am

#68 Loppyd

Seriously, I don't get the Left and the MSM's delusional thinking that they would somehow get a pass if a Jihadist was planning to blow up their plane, train, building.

These are the same guys who think they can build a communist gulag and remain free.

It's a powerful death-wish, a thanatos drive, in psychological terms.

They know the truth but they cover it.

EXACTLY like the heroin addict knows that heroin WILL kill him. JUST EXACTLY IN THE SAME WAY.
But he lost some decisive battles in his psychological growth and a death wish is all he has.

Of course living in a culture in which NIHILISM is the only true philosophy of EVERYBODY, nobody excluded, helps a lot in this way to self-destruction.

77 mahatma coat  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:13:27am

of course they're racist...caucasians have hardly cornered the market.Moslems ,Chinese ,Indian etc......you need PC blinders to believe racism is a "white"problem

78 DistantThunder  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:14:08am

This is the clarion call of the truly evil and abusive. Think about what the father says who kills his young child in a fit of anger: She wouldn't stop crying...she spilled her milk......she wet her pants.

Or what the abusive husband says who cracks open his wife's skull; She didn't have dinner waiting for me....she made me angry...

Somehow liberals are able to see that REGARDLESS of why or how the guy becomes angry...he is WAY out of line in his reactions. And we know the rage and abuse has nothing to do with the milk or the dinner - it's all about the messed up abuser and his sick/twisted perceptions AND his sense of entitlement to take out his rage on the most convenient objects.

The anger and rage, and homicidal tendencies of the Islamos is enviromentally independent - they carry it with them wherever they go.

I'd like to see a sign at a counter-protest that says: We are happier than you.

79 dennisw  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:16:45am

Azzam Timimi ... what a nasty piece of work! I remember this lying sack of shit saying that no way could home grown British Muslims be responsible for the London train/bus bombing last July. He was proven wrong two days later

80 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:17:15am
81 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:17:59am

#78 Distant Thunder

EXCELLENT POST, THANK YOU !

Please see my #76 for a similar approach, but talking about the left.

I like a lot this:

The anger and rage, and homicidal tendencies of the Islamos is enviromentally independent - they carry it with them wherever they go.

I'd like to see a sign at a counter-protest that says: We are happier than you.

That is precisely what we should do< it would ACCELERATE their self-destruction.

82 Geepers  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:18:48am

Well this is a new twist:

Body Shop Bombed?

The caption reads:

Lebanese civil defense rescuers, try to remove two blanket-wrapped bodies, found trapped under debris and concrete of the destroyed buildings, attacked late Monday by Israeli airstrike, in the southern Beirut suburb of Chiah, Lebanon, Tuesday Aug. 8, 2006. The raid on the Muslim southern suburb next to a Christian neighborhood killed at least 15 people, police officials said. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

The bodies were found already wrapped in blankets under the debris of the building.

83 grayp  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:21:27am

#72 ploome

Have you seen this?

The UK government is considering denying multimillion-pound contracts to companies that fail to employ enough black and Asian workers, it emerged this week. The Department of Work and Pensions confirmed that three pilot schemes have been approved which will see companies questioned on their workforce diversity before the government decides on the winning bid. […]

[…] [T]he ‘affirmative action’ proposals are less about tackling racial discrimination per se than they are a mechanism to bring the private sector within government control.

Actually, I think it's more about bringing it under the Muslim Council of Britain's control.

84 J.D.  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:22:37am

#82 Geepers
Time is of the essence?

85 DistantThunder  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:22:42am

The Pathetically Lost:

For those of us with family and friends who are PL - i would like suggestions for a curriculum that, if they were willing, would expose them to the most concise and powerful arguments regarding the Islamofascists and their desire to conquer the world.

1. "Obsession" would be good for starters.

2. I Robot - I saw this for the first time on Saturday, and i was extremely impressed by it's portrayal of those who refuse to believe that Robots are trying to take over the world. Only Will Smith's character sees what's happening while everyone else is in deep denial. For a DENIER, this could be powerful to watch.


other suggestions?

86 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:23:11am
87 mahatma coat  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:23:22am

#82 Geepers ...comment when I stop laughing

88 Grand Junctionite  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:23:24am

#30 Geepers
There are over 50 Al Rueters peeps on line now. What must they think when they read that link? How can anyone who callls themselves a journalist stay employed at such a place?

89 loppyd  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:26:43am

76 Poitiers-Lepanto

I agree with your theory. I would add that it is also driven by an unprecedented hatred for the President their quest to bring him down.

In the hours that followed the news of the foiled plot in London, the usual suspects were all jumping in front of cameras to blame Buss instead of the evil bastards who were planning to kill Americans.

90 loppyd  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:28:22am

Arrrghhh.

PIMF - Bush not Buss

Need a SB now.

91 Earth2moonbat  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:31:47am

#86 ploome hineni

More on Haq:

Haq even told a policeman, "It is hard to meet women." That was in March, at a mall in Kennewick, where he was arrested for lewd conduct. According to the police report: "The victim [a teenage girl] said she noticed Haq standing on the gazebo. Haq then unzipped his pants and exposed his penis at the females. [The victim] states that mall security contacted Haq and Haq flipped them off. Dispatch also advised that the subject was under the influence of methamphetamines."

So naturally, it's the Jews' fault.

92 loppyd  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:33:35am

86 ploome

and the authorities main concern seems to have been shielding muslims in Seattle from some non existant paranoid threat fabricated by muslims

and on that note:

Chasm of fear, distrust deepens among Britons.

``Many Muslims feel scared about what's happening. They see that many Muslims are being harassed by the authorities," Malik said as he sat in a tea house in the heavily Muslim Whitechapel neighborhood of London.

Condemn the acts or STFU, Malik.

93 sss111  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:34:07am

23 westoner

In what way is "western foreign policy" responsible for the jihad in the Philippines, in Thailand, in India, in the Sudan etc..... The overwhelming number of the people suffering at the hands of muslims are not westerners, but non-mulsims in the third world, people the western MSM do not seem to think exist.

It’s not western foreign policy that’s the problem. It’s islam’s policy of violent hostility to every non-islamic culture on planet earth.



See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] for links to Religionofpeace.com's ongoing lists of RoP atrocities around the world.

94 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:34:30am

#89 Loppyd

I agree with your theory. I would add that it is also driven by an unprecedented hatred for the President their quest to bring him down.

And that is the cherry on the cake, because the thanatos drive I was ranting about IN FACT means there have been very serious problems with a parental figure.

HENCE, the unlimited "love" for REAL dictators (the good father/mother who will take care of EVERYTHING) and the deep hate for any authority figure who can recall the parental figure that caused a problem.

/Of course the epistemological value of these psychological tools is VERY VERY LIMITED, but they are OK when we are talking about such a low-level phenomenon like the treason of the West by...Westerners.
I wouldn't use a philosophical grid to read behaviors that are in fact suicidal and ultimately childish.

95 loppyd  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:39:56am

Sorry if this has already been posted....

Two Fox News journalists kidnapped in Gaza

96 Earth2moonbat  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:40:49am

#92 loppyd

Wasn't Malik a bad guy on Star Trek?

97 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:42:08am

So, the AP is playing hide the Tamimi?

98 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:43:32am
99 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:45:24am
100 Ignorant Mensan  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:48:17am

I thought a lot about this last night while watching a PBS pledge drive. The only good thing is that it was a 50's and 60's DOO WOP concert. Great to hear some good music for a change.

What I couldn't dismiss is that, we all know how much leftist/apologist crap is on PBS and NPR. Yet we are forced to support it with taxes. Why is it not time for a Media Tea Party? You know, "Taxation Without Representation," and all. I'm just not sure how to get something started.

BTW, despite the great music (where you can actually understand the words, I cannot bring myself to pledge a red cent to PBS? Anyone else?

101 grayp  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:48:28am

Has anyone considered the possibility that the person(s) in the UK passport office is indeed Muslim?

102 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:55:59am
103 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 8:59:42am

#72 ploome hineni

....and the fact that "Unemployment rates for Muslims are higher than those for people from any other religion, for both men and women."


I guess in the West, there just aren't that many jobs for seething mobs and people who can recite the Koran from memory.

Maybe if they learned something useful?

104 Geepers  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:01:23am

Grand Junctionite (#88)


There are over 50 Al Rueters peeps on line now. What must they think when they read that link? How can anyone who callls themselves a journalist stay employed at such a place?

Agenda trumps integrity.

105 loppyd  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:03:59am

96 E2M

Wasn't Malik a bad guy on Star Trek?

I'm the wrong person to ask....only watched it under duress as a kid.

106 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:06:03am
107 Nannette  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:07:18am

'Fascistic' is the right word for Islamic fundamentalism

The word "fascism" means an extreme totalitarian system that suppresses human rights and democratic freedoms.

Islamic fundamentalism is fascistic in the precise, technical sense of the word.

The war-on-reality brigade took aim at Tony Blair's "arc of extremism" phrase, too: it was simplistic and misleading to claim that all Muslim terrorists, from the Chechens to Iraqi Sunnis and Kashmiris, were somehow linked in one wicked confederacy.

And yet many of those same sceptical sophisticates who wished to distinguish so carefully between the various Islamic discontents would also claim that the answer to all our problems was to solve the Palestinian problem (and thus withdraw our support for Israel), which is certainly of little relevance to the anger of Kashmiri separatists with whom most British Muslim suspects identify.

Al-Qa'eda began talking about the Palestinian question after 9/11, only when it found itself having to give a plausible public account of its motives.

Until then, it was frank about its actual goal, which is to re-establish the Caliphate over the historic Islamic empire.

So maybe those who wish to conciliate this movement, who believe that it can be negotiated with in some rational way, would like to tell us where they would begin making concessions.

Would they like to explain to the citizens of Turkey that they may have to sacrifice their secular democracy and be ruled again by the theocracy from which they had broken free?

Or perhaps they could persuade the residents of Spain that, since Islam would like to rule the Alhambra once again, they must, in the interests of meeting al-Qa'eda halfway, consider sacrificing this region.

Next, perhaps, would be the recognition of sharia law in Muslim-dominated regions of Britain and France.

No wonder the liberals are in disarray. What we are up against is quite outside the limits of our rational political discourse.

This enemy does not even bother to offer explanations for its actions that fall within the acceptable bounds of Western debate: it is overtly racist, explicitly imperialistic and unapologetically inhumane.

So it is left to the media to make the apologias. First, the home-grown terrorist threat was the fault of racist Britain for denying opportunity and educational advancement to Muslim youth.

Then it turned out that most of those involved in the propagation of terrorism were middle-class and university-educated.

At least two of the suspects arrested in the latest alleged plot are converts to Islam: they cannot be said to have suffered a lifetime of embittering discrimination for their newly embraced faith.

This phenomenon is more reminiscent of Baader-Meinhoff than of the intifada - a fanatical cult of rebellious malcontents who are "alienated" (the word of the moment) by the actions of their government and the mores of their country.

This pernicious nonsense is treated by the BBC as if it were the height of reasonableness.

When a committee of Muslim spokesmen announces that, while it condemns violence etc, it nevertheless finds it somehow understandable that Muslim youth should be so "alienated" by the Government's foreign policy that they become willing recruits to a murderous lunatic sect, their statement is described as a bid for peace rather than a blatant piece of blackmail.

What exactly does it mean, this message of "peace": that you can only be safe if we get the foreign policy we want - otherwise some of us may feel justified in blowing you out of the sky?

That is what most of the broadcast vox pops on the British Muslim street seem to imply. Is this what the majority of the Muslim community really wants said in its name?

108 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:10:03am

#96 Earth2moonbat

Wasn't Malik a bad guy on Star Trek?


Yes, on some Enterprise episode. More here.

(I didn't know, but memory-alpha.org is a great site for Star Trek stuff.)

109 J.D.  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:12:01am

#98 ploome
When you worked for someone, did they not bend over backward making everything the way you wanted it?

/never mind

110 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:12:11am
111 mahatma coat  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:19:03am

poor Shep indeed ....if only they'd kidnap bloody Fisk...might make him change his Utopian tune

112 republic  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:19:47am

These asshat leftist kook politicians need to be rounded up, and charged with treason, and put away, or given the maximum sentences in regards to treason!

They, themselves, are stirring up more hatred and death, than any foreign polcies ever could.

Treason is a definite charge that can be put on these leftist kook asshats!

113 republic  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:23:00am

#110 ploome

poor Shepard... hope he enjoys his stay

Heck, all they'd do with Shepard Smith, is reprogram him a bit, because he's been 99% on the side of islamofascist terrorists to this point.

Shepard Smith has been a major tool for the islamofascists in the propaganda part of the war.

/spit

114 SaneInMN  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:23:33am

Howard Dean: Saddam was a "pain in the neck", from meet the press over the weekend.

115 republic  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:28:00am

#114 SaneInMN

Howard Dean: Saddam was a "pain in the neck", from meet the press over the weekend.

Just once I wish the GOP would pull out the 500 or so quotes, videos, etc., of the Democrats THROUGHOUT the 1990's, who all were screaming that Saddam was a madman, and needed to be removed from power, however necessary, including Bill and Hillary Clinton, Algore, John Kerry, Jack Murtha, and the rest of the leftist kook Democrats!

Then, the GOP should run adds, showing that only ONE Democrat voted "no" to authorize the President to take Saddam down.

Where was their great concern then?

The kook left may be the death of America!

116 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:41:51am
117 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:46:15am
118 SaneInMN  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:49:40am

115 Republic...

Share some of these gems with friends!

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power"

Al Gore, 2002

"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and places for his cronies."

Madaline Albright, 1999

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."

Robert Byrd, 2002

...and MANY, MANY, more!

119 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:53:13am
120 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 9:55:29am
121 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 10:26:57am
(Hat tip: wrenchwench.)

I am not worthy. However, if I ever get another one, can I have a helmet tip?


[...damn demanding lizardoids....]

122 bos  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 11:58:55am

Hey, there are orthodox Jews standing to the side and apparently participating in that rally, and I didn't hear the guy say Israel is a cancer that must be eradicated. He is talking about a cancer to be eradicated but what it was was unclear.

123 ansar-al-kufir  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 2:10:50pm

[ sarcasm]AP Response: There was no aim to deceive. The article was about the rise of islamic extremism, so, naturally, to find out what islamic extremists thought we found it necessary to contact one to find out why. Mr. Azzim clearly fits the bill. [/ sarcasm]

124 Nannette  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 2:16:11pm

#122 bos

They're not orthodox Jews - they're Naturei Karta who are encouraging genocide of Israel.

They pretend to be Jews, but travel on the sabbath for anti-Israel rallies. They were funded by Arafat and are still funded by terrorists...

125 mjazzguitar  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:02:48pm
the situation in Palestine


The situation in Palestine. Where Arafat rejected 95% of what he asked for and resorted to war instead of continuing to negotiate, which the Oslo Accords specifically called for. Where the Israelis withdrew from Gaza only to face a daily barrage of Kassams. What the arabs say has no relation to reality.

126 massachusetts republican  Mon, Aug 14, 2006 4:10:35pm

Dift. post, same sad comment needed..

Journalism (blogging too) is, and always will be, a fight between the forces of truth and those who propagate lies. It is the never-ending "good" fight we all join as we take up the pen(or keyboard). We either choose the path of disengagement from the battle, thereby committing the sin of nonparticipation. Some choose to live a life of hate and lies as these "journalist" do. Or we can select the hard but noble path of speaking truth, countering lies and not backing down.


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