A real-life stand-up man.

Guts. Backbone. A hero in L.A.

A great move. Pure class in the face of ugly bigotry

We were looking to find anybody from the Muslim community that was discouraging terrorism, that was encouraging engagement in the dialogue and that was a potential bridge

What an amazingly telling quote.

Why were they looking within the muslim community? Why is everybody seeking to legitimize and sanctify that poisonous sect?
Why won't the general public call a spade a spade?

What does that say about the Muslim community that Hathout was the best they could find? That seems to be what the commission president is saying.

The weather is great out in LA and has attracted it's share of wishful thinkers, moonbats and other malcontents. What can we really expect?

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

So, let's see: this guy is a bum, but he's the least scummie of all the other bums. Okay, I get it. Let's give him an award!

Commission President Adrian Dove said it was unfortunate Windmueller had decided to return his award, which he received for work with the Jewish Federation of Greater Los Angeles.

His deciscion to return the award was not unfortunate. The deciscion to award a psychopathic bigot was.

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

Why did they force themselves to choose a muslim? It's like giving Arafat the Nobel Peace Prize and expecting him to live up to the role after the fact... that didn't work.

I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.

I'm speechless.

The president of the commission is in effect saying that this was the least evil of all the evil Muslims in LA, so thats why they picked him. Sheesh.

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

Faint praise.

“We were looking to find anybody from the Muslim community that was discouraging terrorism, that was encouraging engagement in the dialogue and that was a potential bridge. While you may not have perfection, it is a starting point you can build upon,” Dove said.

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

So, according to the Commission President, the entire purpose of the award was to find ANY muslim to give it to - just as long as they weren't too controversial? Was that the desired recipient religion of the year?

The criteria must be based on the rules of the game show "Jeopardy" - you start with an answer then find the question to fit it.

Bravo Mr. Windmueller.

6 TS
What does that say about the Muslim community that Hathout was the best they could find?

We now there are Moderate Muslims out there, just they are like church mice, very quiet.

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

That is the problem in a nutshell.

THERE IS NONE!

Rev. Zedar Broadous, a pastor at Calvary Baptist Church in Pacoima and one of the commissioners who voted for Hathout. “I don’t see it as that big of an issue, but if he wants to make this his issue...

It's painful to watch Christian clergy inch closer and closer to the conduct of some in the 1930s. I thought that was all behind us.

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

Man, if this doesn't indict the leaders of Muslim community of LA, I don't know what does.

I challenge anyone to find an actual practicing muslim who dosent hate jews, oh wait their aren't any.

To be a good muslim one must hate jews.

Could we maybe, possibly, pick someone who's NOT a Muslim?

*crickets*

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

Earth to clueless idiot: That's the point, there isn't any!

My head is killing me after all the banging of it against the wall after listening to and reading the pukes who inhabit the worlds stage.

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

Better the devil who lies than the devil who tells the truth? Is that what you're saying?

Huh. I guess they needed to fulfill their muslim quota.

Bold move....hopefully it will generate enough discussion to stop the award from going to Hathout

“Everyone has their issues and their swords they want to fall on. I guess this is the one (Windmueller) wants to fall on,” said the Rev. Zedar Broadous, a pastor at Calvary Baptist Church in Pacoima and one of the commissioners who voted for Hathout. “I don’t see it as that big of an issue, but if he wants to make this his issue, I won’t hold it against him. I’ll keep him in prayer.”

Pray that you have eyes to see, you fool.

Hathout, a 70-year-old retired cardiologist, was known as a bridge builder locally. But last month, his sharp criticism of Israel was publicized, outraging many of L.A.’s largest Jewish organizations.

Right, a bridge builder. The words were merely "sharp criticism" and only Jewish organizations objected to it.

/sarc

And while I'm counting lies, I imagine the Jewish organizations were only upset, not outraged. To see what true rage looks like, see people who gun down a nun because someone told them the pope dissed their prophet.

Commission President Adrian Dove said it was unfortunate Windmueller decided to stand up on his hind legs like a Man and act on principal. The Readers Digest condensed version of Doves' last statement reads,'we were looking for ANYBODY from the Muslim community less controversial, and this was the best we could do'.

#18 Catttt

Man, if this doesn't indict the leaders of Muslim community of LA, I don't know what does.

The odd thing is, I don't think that Dove dude sees that. It's the affermative action mindset: get me a XXX, and qualifications would be nice, but aren't required.

Less than a third of those on this alleged commission (4 out of 13) gave this clown the award, rendering it meaningless.

I wonder, did those four have guns pointed at their heads or did they willingly submit?

Only a matter of time until Mahmoud and Hugo are getting their awards stateside, probably Profiles in Courage awards from the Kennedy Center.

After this UN nonsense, it's not a stretch that they're in the running for the Nobel Peace Prize.

“Everyone has their issues and their swords they want to fall on. I guess this is the one (Windmueller) wants to fall on,” said the Rev. Zedar Broadous, a pastor at Calvary Baptist Church in Pacoima and one of the commissioners who voted for Hathout. “I don’t see it as that big of an issue, but if he wants to make this his issue, I won’t hold it against him. I’ll keep him in prayer.”

Like, we gave Windmueller this really cool human relations award, then gave the same award to a guy who, like, tells lies and smears everyone connected to Windmueller's religion in any way, but the guy doesn't actually, like, openly call for their deaths or anything. So, like, what's Windmueller's problem?
/

Where's my cluebat?

I propose we rename the award to the

Dove-id Duke Award

So they're giving an award for being the best of the sleaziest. How wonderful.

I'm glad he did what he did. We need more like that.

Right now, I'm so sick and tired of Muslims. their lies, deceit and violence, and our officials making up all these excuses for them, I could puke.

Too bad these same officials would not make up excuses for the military people who are being hauled up on charges for torture, "murder" of Muslims in Iraq, etc.
Where are they when it comes time to help our own and justify their actions?

#31 lurking faith

The preacher is going to pray for the man who refused to be counted alongside hatred, not for the man who openly called for terrorist attacks against civilians.

That is mixed up.

OT:

The avalanche of support for Chavez and Ajdimmijihad speeches that is sure to come on leftist blogs must be reported and disseminated.

"Here's an award - please don't bomb us"
/dumbass appeasenics

We were looking to find anybody from the Muslim community that was discouraging terrorism, that was encouraging engagement in the dialogue and that was a potential bridge. While you may not have perfection, it is a starting point you can build upon,”

Brings to mind the extraordinary efforts the Whitehouse has to make to find "moderate" imams to invite to annual (since 9/11) Whitehouse Ramadan dinner. Finding imams who have have not preached "Death to Israel" has proven mission impossible, so like these people in LA, they search out those who have made the least offensive statements.

do not attempt to adjust your television sets

Another award, Named for and based on a lifetime of high achievement, conceived of to honor similar roll models, turned into a pile of horseshit by a pack of clowns who have no idea of what constitutes morality and righteousness.

While you may not have perfection, it is a starting point you can build upon,” Dove said."

"Yes, he is raving bigot who calls for death, but he is a little better than the others and we have to find someone in their camp to award this thing to. Because if we give them engraved plaques at luncheons, eventually they'll all make nice and stop wanting to kill."

Big news day!

I think the most hilarious part is (hilarious in a sad sort of way), they searched and searched for an ideal role-model Islamic community leader, and the best one they could find in LA is this jerk?

I mean, I've become pretty well-versed in the effects of Imam Syndrome, but this is the best they could find?

Windmueller is spot-on, and Broadous is the one falling on his sword!

“Everyone has their issues and their swords they want to fall on. I guess this is the one (Windmueller) wants to fall on,” said the Rev. Zedar Broadous, a pastor at Calvary Baptist Church in Pacoima and one of the commissioners who voted for Hathout.

Pastor, just exactly were you implying in that statement? I'm sure we all would just love to know! Was the implication that those who reject and condemn the active promotion of anti-Semitism and the destruction of a people and a nation should "fall on their swords"? Pastor, when was the last time you perused The Old Testament? Been a while? I thought so. Sir, you are a fool infected with a fatal dose of political correctness. May God have mercy upon you.

#35 Silhouette

I guess he's a self-loathing Christian.

Talk about satirizing yourself! Do these idiots ever consider the comments they make? Can they really be so lacking in self-awareness that they don't see the irony of having to search high and low for a Muslim award recipient whose only merit is that he is the least despicable of all the other Muslim candidates? Oy vey!

Well, my hat's off to Windmueller.

Bravo!

Very Brave!

Shows the willingness to stand behind your convictions. I applaud him! He deserves to win that award again, just for giving it up!

We were looking to find anybody from the Muslim community that was discouraging terrorism, that was encouraging engagement in the dialogue and that was a potential bridge. While you may not have perfection, it is a starting point you can build upon,” Dove said.

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

Umm please tell me why it was so important to give it to a muslim in the first place? Why not give it to the most worthy person, not the least objectionable muslim.

Good lord, Charles, the Commissioner's name is Dove..
My favorite prosecutor's name is Hammer.

I keep expecting this thread to morph into a funfest filled with amendments of the name Zedar Broadous.

/I can't be the only one who instantly thought "zee broadass" with an outrageous fwench accent
//can I?

"I don't see it as that big of an issue, but if he wants to make this his issue, I won't hold it against him. I'll keep him in prayer."

Oh, it will be that big a thing, superior jerk.

Re my #48

I'll admit it would be unfair to Windmueller, whose principled action I applaud.

Jeesh --

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

Charles, he isn't apparently "saying that extremists and terror supporters — people even worse than Hathout — dominate LA’s Muslim communities."

He is saying it!

Talk about inadvertently hitting the nail on the head!

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

I took the challenge. I failed.

“We were looking to find anybody from the Muslim community that was discouraging terrorism, that was encouraging engagement in the dialogue and that was a potential bridge."

Category error?

“We were looking to find anybody from the Muslim community that was discouraging terrorism, that was encouraging engagement in the dialogue and that was a potential bridge. While you may not have perfection, it is a starting point you can build upon,” Dove said.

“I challenge you to find another party in Los Angeles who is a practicing Muslim leader who would be less controversial.”

A "human rights" award for the one indiviual they can find how isn't quite as awfull as all the rest. Now, that speaks volumes! Perhaps they could call the the Herman Goering Award, as he perhaps wasn't quite as fully evil as Hitler or Goerbels?

Wrenchwench

"Category error?"

LOL! :-D

“Everyone has their issues and their swords they want to fall on. I guess this is the one (Windmueller) wants to fall on,” said the Rev. Zedar Broadous, a pastor at Calvary Baptist Church in Pacoima and one of the commissioners who voted for Hathout.

Rev. Broadous is commissioner,associate pastor, president of the NAACP San Fernando Valley chapter, head of the San Fernando Valley Black Chamber of Commerce, and a speaker for the ICUJP (interfaith communities united for justice and peace).

ICUJP's latest press release encourages everyone to come out to the Sept 18th meeting to support Hathout.

Other recent ICUJP statements demand 'universal healthcare', call for Israel to leave Gaza and Lebanon, demand the closing of Gitmo.

Oh, an islamochristian.

While I'm at it, ICUJP also hosts Maher Hathout himself, carrying this opinion piece rebuttal written by him in response to an editorial.

I oppose the violence Hamas or Hezbollah engages in against Israel. I do not now, nor have I ever, supported Hamas or Hezbollah, verbally or otherwise. I do not support any foreign groups or governments. I only support my country, America. I support the right of Israel to exist, just as I support the right of Palestine to exist. I believe in the futility of a military solution to Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

Does anyone have a transcript of his speech outside the WH in 2000?

Charles said: Dove is apparently saying that extremists and terror supporters—people even worse than Hathout—dominate LA’s Muslim communities.

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Gee, who woulda thunk it?

There is not a single Muslim political organization, media outlet, academic institution, or government of any appreciable size, anywhere in the world, which is moderate.

Therefore, it is impossible to find Muslim "community leaders" who are truly moderate.

I say this hoping that someone will prove me wrong.

"Next Jerusalem" Abbas says as George turns his back.

#53 Kenneth

A "human rights" award for the one indiviual they can find how isn't quite as awfull as all the rest. Now, that speaks volumes!

Think about it. Why are the moonbats so infatuated with Abbas? Because he's the closest thing there is to a moderate. Which isn't saying much. This is how they play the "good cop/bad cop" game. As long is horrible is the best they can do, the moonbats will always embrace horrible.

#55 Silhouette

Other recent ICUJP statements...call for Israel to leave Gaza and Lebanon...

They need to update their website.

Just a quick word to that pastor - the Jewish people that the muslims are denouncing and trying to kill are the Chosen people of God, at least if you profess to be Christian. Hello, (taps glass), if you are a Christian and hate the Jewish people, what do you think God will say to you once you meet him? All true Christians need to stand as one and denounce Islam and all that it stands for---heck, I'm inclusive, make that all the people in the world need to stand as one and denounce Islam and all that it stands for.

What I don't understand is, (a lot actually, but for this thread...) why isn't every woman in the free world screaming for someone to stop Islam from spreading any further? Or do they want to wear coverings from head to toe, get locked in their homes, and be forced to have babies until they wear out?
Or how about gays/lesbians? Or do they want to be killed when sharia law is passed where they live?
Or how about musicians? There are no instruments allowed in Islam except, I think, two: tiny cymbals and something else, I forget. Or do they not love their music?
Or how about dog owners, especially those who treat them like children? Dogs aren't allowed when Islam takes over.
Or how about any free thinking man or woman who does not want to become a muslim? Do they not understand that their lives will become hell on earth, worth less than half a muslim's?

Wake up and speak up. Muslims in muslim countries are speaking the truth about what they really want. Politicians lie all the time, but to get a country's true meaning you go to the street, and what has the muslim street been saying for years? "Death to America!" "Death to Israel!" Please take them at their word and realize that life as we know it will be gone soon, and perhaps if we're lucky and swift enough, we will be able to get that life back in time for our grandchildren to live it once again.

/off the soapbox, and stops preaching to the choir. :)

#51 mardukahi

Talk about inadvertently hitting the nail on the head!

Actually, I think he inadvertently hammered his thumb and is now hopping around on one foot yelling "oh shit! Oh shit! Oh shit!"

“We were looking to find anybody from the Muslim community that was discouraging terrorism, that was encouraging engagement in the dialogue and that was a potential bridge. While you may not have perfection, it is a starting point you can build upon,” Dove said.

I don't get it. The award is for outstanding human relations. Why were they prepared to settle for less than outstanding human relations and specifically looking for a Muslim?

#65 savage_nation

I'm not going to hit the Stinky Beaumont button, because I think you're doing a good thing here, but you need to be careful about posting phone numbers. Charles doesn't like it.

“Everyone has their issues and their swords they want to fall on. I guess this is the one (Windmueller) wants to fall on,” said the Rev. Zedar Broadous, a pastor at Calvary Baptist Church in Pacoima and one of the commissioners who voted for Hathout. “I don’t see it as that big of an issue, but if he wants to make this his issue, I won’t hold it against him. I’ll keep him in prayer.”

Like every denomination in America, Baptists too have their useful idiots. Fortunately, this guy represents a small minority. Unfortunately, most Jews wouldn't know that so good Christians need to make it a point to call this guy what he is. A fool, a wolf in sheep's clothing, and a clown playing pastor under the guise of liberal politics.

Sorry to the Jews for dopes like this. The man is as worthless to the cause as Fred Phelps but unfortunately, his voice is the one that will resonate in the media.

Steven Windmueller, I'm proud of you.

Dear Mr. Dove,

You said you could not find a Muslim who would not be controversial.

How about Dr. Wafa Sultan?

She is a proud American citizen, supports the constitution and the rule of law.

She too is Muslim and doesnn't cheer on groups committed to Jewish annihilation, much less lie and pretend she supports American values while actively undermining them to audiences in Arabic.

AG

From Charles:(pbuh) Dove is apparently saying that extremists and terror supporters—people even worse than Hathout—dominate LA’s Muslim communities.

How dare you question moslem motives!

/Fatwa in 5,4,3,..

interim dean of Hebrew Union College

LOL- Dean of a hebrew college. I'm SHOCKED he would have an issue with a muslim winning the same award as him, just SHOCKED!

/sarcassm

This is nothing but a political move to try to denigrate the award given to Hartout. How this is considered 'brave' is beyond me. Its a lame, transparent move.

He won the award- move on with your lives and accept it.

#73 Affinity

You didn't need to append the sarcassm. We know you hate Jews.

Steven Windmueller is right. The LA County Commission denigrated John Allen Buggs' name.

LA has become a waste land.

#71 Ayatollah Ghilmeini 9/20/2006 01:11PM PDT

Dear Mr. Dove,

You said you could not find a Muslim who would not be controversial.

How about Dr. Wafa Sultan?

She is a proud American citizen, supports the constitution and the rule of law.

She too is Muslim and doesnn't cheer on groups committed to Jewish annihilation, much less lie and pretend she supports American values while actively undermining them to audiences in Arabic.

AG

Wafa Sultan isn't a muslim. She's admitted that.

#76

Wafa Sultan isn't a muslim. She's admitted that.

So you've just helped the many among us whose thesis is that the committee just couldn't find a Muslim who doesn't call for violence.

You were so happy to jump on an error that you didn't think of that, didja?

I hate to admit it, but the troll's right. She was born and raised muslim, but after seeing her professor gunned down in cold blood in Aleppo, concluded that islam was incompatible with civility. So she's apostate, and I think agnostic. Which is just one more datum to support the thesis that moderation in islam is impossible.

Behold, a CAIR whore!

RUN AWAY!

#77 lurking faith 9/20/2006 02:11PM PDT

#76

Wafa Sultan isn't a muslim. She's admitted that.

So you've just helped the many among us whose thesis is that the committee just couldn't find a Muslim who doesn't call for violence.
You were so happy to jump on an error that you didn't think of that, didja?

Actually, I did. But thats irrelevant. Unlike some others, when I see that a statement in front of me that is categorically incorrect, I tend to correct it regardless of whether that corerction fulfills any particular agenda, or suports any particular viewpoint- even my own. I think the fact that you find an action such as that curious and surprising, is frankly very telling. He said she was muslim, and she isn't. I don't care as to how that changes yours or others' conclusions.

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Affinity

Why is this woman no longer a Muslim?

[crickets]

[tumbleweeds]

[howling winds of desolation]

#83 Amalie 9/20/2006 03:05PM PDT

Affinity

Why is this woman no longer a Muslim?

That sounds like such an honest question. I don't know her personally, so theres not reason I would know the answer to that. There are hundreds of people that switch faiths on a daily basis (and yes, also to Islam).

I know jews who have converted to christianity, christians who have converted to Islam, and any combination of this. But I see the childish nature of your question.

Affinity is So mature!

A veritable paragon of Maturity!

So far beyond our plebian ramblings, Behold, Affinity!

# 87 BabbaZee:

A veritable paragon of Maturity!

More like an octagon, if you ask me.

# 85 Assininity:

I don't know her personally, so theres not reason I would know the answer to that.

I guess you're too busy to read her own words. Oh, right, she's an islamophobe because she became an apostate, so all her motivations are suspect. Of course her maybe, just maybe, knowing the truth about islam from the inside means nothing to you.

There are hundreds of people that switch faiths on a daily basis (and yes, also to Islam).

But how many from islam? Publicy? That is the question.

OOOooooOOO!

Ahhhhhhh!

Behold the mature one!

#85 Affinity

My al-Dajjal shall kick your Mahdi's ass!

More like an octagon, if you ask me.

You're good, must be a Z thing....

;~P

There are hundreds of people that switch faiths on a daily basis

This would make a great skit.

godfrey, got it covered.
Coming soon to a post near you.

Hello, my name is Godfrey, and I suffer from Multiple Religiosity Disorder. Fortunately, my Scientology dues are up to date, so I won't have to declare jihad in the name of Gaia (peace be upon Her) and get all Shinto on your asses. Peace out.

85 Affinity

I know jews who have converted to christianity, christians who have converted to Islam, and any combination of this. But I see the childish nature of your question.

Idiot.

Affinity

I am amazed that you can type with your head up your ass.

Mr. Dove is on Larry Elder's radio show now and has admitted Mathout was the best he could find to bring the communities together. He is under the impression that Hatout took back something he has said in the past.
But did not know he is on the board of the magazine called The Minaret which publishes anti-semitic cartoons. He said he will look into it and that might affect the decision of the board.

I have Dogpiled The Minaret magazine but can find nothing about it.

buzz

ROLMAO

In life, you clearly missed your true calling.

Outstanding!

#100 buzzsawmonkey
May I touch the hem of your garment?

Hysterical!

He doesn't even realize what he said.

Hathout, who has been photographed being a vile inciter of hatred against all Israelis, who in his words are "butchers", and who calls Israel a racist apartheit state, doesn't deserve any award for good-neighborliness. How could he get an award for good-neighborliness when he has been inciting to hatred?

The award has been slimed and demeaned.
So it is fitting that it should be returned by those who see what has happened to the award.

The position of Mr. Dove, of the LA Commissioners, is that Hatout is the best of the bad lot of Muslims in LA. His position is that it is impossible to find a Muslim "leader" in LA who isn't pro-terrorist or inciting hatred. Well, surely there are Muslim non-leaders who are not pro-terrorist or inciting hatred, so why not give the award to a Muslim non-leader?

If they want to cite a Californian Muslim who is in favor of peaceful behavior and who doesn't incite hatred, they could offer it to Tashbih Sayyed, a journalist who publishes the online paktoday.com and the online muslimworldtoday.com
I don't know if Dr. Sayyed lives in LA, but he is a Californian. Close enough, if the LA Muslims are worse than Hathout.

Better to take some liberties with geography, than to take liberties with character deficiencies, and with the disgraceful behavior of Hathout.

105 EE

The position of Mr. Dove, of the LA Commissioners, is that Hatout is the best of the bad lot of Muslims in LA. His position is that it is impossible to find a Muslim "leader" in LA who isn't pro-terrorist or inciting hatred. Well, surely there are Muslim non-leaders who are not pro-terrorist or inciting hatred, so why not give the award to a Muslim non-leader?

The answer to that is in posts 63 and 65. In short; it was an inside job. That's very typical of these political bodies.